Elusive Peace in Colombia: a Conversation with Ambassador Juan Carlos Pinzón
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AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE ELUSIVE PEACE IN COLOMBIA: A CONVERSATION WITH AMBASSADOR JUAN CARLOS PINZÓN DISCUSSION PARTICIPANTS: ROGER F. NORIEGA, AEI JUAN CARLOS PINZÓN, COLOMBIAN AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED STATES 2:00 PM – 3:00 PM MONDAY, OCTOBER 17, 2016 EVENT PAGE: http://www.aei.org/events/elusive-peace-in-colombia/ TRANSCRIPT PROVIDED BY DC TRANSCRIPTION – WWW.DCTMR.COM ROGER NORIEGA: I’m Roger Noriega, visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. You’re very welcome. I told the ambassador (Spanish) and it’s the truth really. They’re neighbors, the Colombian Embassy just being across the street. We welcome you all. Let me just say at the outset, if you will silence your cell phones, that will make it agreeable for all of us and less embarrassing for you in case a babysitter calls or something. I’m going to ask our distinguished guest to make some initial comments after I introduce him, and then we’ll throw it open to questions for the balance of our hour together. Ambassador Juan Carlos Pinzon has been Colombia’s ambassador to the United States for 14 months. Previously he served for nearly four years as Colombia’s minister of defense, where he led the nation’s armed forces in dealing severe blows to the operations and infrastructure of the FARC, the ELN, and the BACRIM, the criminal bands operating in that country. This resulted in improved security conditions throughout the country and the lowest homicide rate in 35 years. During his tenure, the armed forces equipment and training were modernized. No less important, the welfare of the men and women in uniform and of their families has improved, and he put in place a transformation plan that will lead the Armed Forces forward for the next decades. What most people do not know is that Colombia is an exporter of expertise in the security area, having lent its expertise to 60 different countries in how to deal with criminal organizations and drug trafficking. Before serving as a defense minister, Ambassador Pinzon was the chief of staff to President Juan Manuel Santos and vice minister of defense. He’s a native of Bogota, Colombia. He holds an M.S. degree in economics from Javeriana in Bogota. He received a master’s in public policy from Princeton University’s Woodrow Wilson School. He has also completed advanced studies in international relations at Johns Hopkins and in science and technology at Harvard. So, clearly, you’re prepared, well prepared for many tasks. And we welcome you here today. Ambassador, as I’ve said to you in the past, some of my most skeptical Colombian friends were rejoicing on the night of the plebiscite. Others, quite frankly, were devastated by the results, harshly criticizing the “no” campaign and the popular vote. I felt somewhere in the middle because I had reconciled myself to the fact that the plebiscite would probably approve the accords and, although I’m deeply skeptical about the FARC’s intentions, I saw the accords as an opportunity, with strong support from the United States, to hold the FARC to some concrete commitments and to demobilize thousands of guerillas in that framework, many thousands of whom were really kidnapped into the guerilla movement. In the weeks since the plebiscite, you’ve seen President Santos meet with his predecessor, President Alvaro Uribe. I’ve heard that was for the first time in six years that they’ve met. Perhaps it’s true, maybe not. He’s also met with President Andres Pastrana, one of his other predecessors, both of whom were part of the “no” campaign. Last Thursday, President Uribe, on behalf of that camp, offered a 26-page critique that raised many concerns that also presented some sort of red lines that have been regarded as rather reasonable and practical. Indeed, he adopted more practical positions on a number of critical issues. I think this may be a function of the fact that regardless of the results of the plebiscite, student marches and other mobilizations, a letter from business leaders, have made it very clear that the Colombian people are essentially committed to some sort of negotiated permanent end to the hostilities. But as a result of the voting, President Santos has had to sit down with these skeptics to hear them out, to take their concerns back to the negotiating table with the objective of improving that accord in a way that would broaden its support among the Colombian people. So maybe that narrow victory on behalf of the “no,” in the end will actually improve the process for a durable peace reflecting a national consensus. In other words, in the words of the legendary political theorists Keith Richards and Mick Jagger, you can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometime, you just might find that you get what you need. (Laughs.) So, ambassador, where is Colombia’s peace process today? What condition is it in? Do you feel more or less optimistic today than the night of the plebiscite, and why? AMBASSADOR JUAN CARLOS PINZON: Well, first of all, Roger, thank you very much. You know, it’s a great honor to be here, at the American Enterprise Institute, especially having this beautiful new venue that you have here. I’m very impressed. I’m very happy to be — I’m sure I’m not the first but one of the first commentators in this new venue. Second, you have been inviting me to Enterprise discussions for a year already, you know, since I arrived. And I say “yes,” and suddenly there was a big coincidence between my yes and the current juncture. So I’m happy to be here, and it’s good to have this opportunity to discuss. You always have been interested about Colombia. And one of the things I learned to appreciate the most about Washington is that we have even more friends than I knew, you know. Washington is full of friends of Colombia, and there are many reasons for that. The success from US policy perspective that has happened in Colombia is quite interesting. It has been bipartisan. It has been a long-term, sustained effort. It has resulted in the most violent country in the hemisphere — not to tell that we had at a point the two most violent cities in the world — to become now exporter of security, a country that somehow is finding a final way to peace — is in transition to peace, if I can call it. And all that no doubt with determination and commitment of the Colombian people, of our leaders, but at the same time with very important US support. US support came to Colombia to enable Colombia — to allow Colombia to be effective in its institutions, from security — that part is new and I saw with a lot of interest — with justice and with development. And that package is what we know as Plan Colombia. So I know here in Washington there’s a lot of people that feel that in one way or another, as it happened in Colombia, there’s a lot of contributors to this effort. And I see it as a positive element. To your comments and to your question, I think we are in the middle of a very interesting time in Colombia. The first thing I would say and underline is it’s interesting to see the strength of Colombian democracy. There are very few democracies in this part of the world, the world itself, that can handle such an event, such a political debate with the intensity and the commitment from all the sides and somehow be able to have that as a result. Second, I believe it’s important to see the strength of Colombian institutions. Every process that we have lived in the past years in Colombia is absolutely related to our constitutional framework, to the separation of powers. The president has expressed and proposed ideas, but those have been discussed in Congress and later on judged by our judiciary system. So I think that’s another important event. And when you think about the results, the first word President Santos used was not only he’s the president of every Colombian, but that his main objective was to keep precisely the institutional stability of the country. And immediately he opened the room for a political dialogue and a political discussion with every sector opposing to the government proposal in the plebiscite. So I think that’s another interesting feature. And the third element that I believe is now part of our political discussion is somehow opportunity, and this word has been expressed by President Santos, but by several bright experts from different sides — you know, right, left, center, international leaders, Colombian leaders. It has already come to that word, Colombia is in front of an opportunity. And this is why — because we have been moving from let’s say peacemaking with the use of legitimate force. That’s what we need for a while. You know, people can talk about long or several decades of war but I can tell you that when Colombian state and Colombian people decide that we’re going to confront the threats of crime, violence, and violation of human rights, it started really 15, 16 years ago. And since then we became very effective. We degraded, to mention the FARC, probably to 30, to 35 percent of what they were in manpower, resources, or financial capabilities. But the same happened to ELN. But the same happened to the criminal bands that inherited somehow the existence after the AUC, the so-called paramilitary.