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Department of Defense Body Armor Programs Committee on Armed Services House of Representatives i [H.A.S.C. No. 110–58] DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE BODY ARMOR PROGRAMS COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION HEARING HELD JUNE 6, 2007 U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 37–812 WASHINGTON : 2008 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402–0001 VerDate 22-MAR-2001 14:19 Dec 10, 2008 Jkt 037812 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 5012 Sfmt 5012 C:\DOCS\110-58\157000.000 HNS1 PsN: HNS1 HOUSE COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS IKE SKELTON, Missouri, Chairman JOHN SPRATT, South Carolina DUNCAN HUNTER, California SOLOMON P. ORTIZ, Texas JIM SAXTON, New Jersey GENE TAYLOR, Mississippi JOHN M. MCHUGH, New York NEIL ABERCROMBIE, Hawaii TERRY EVERETT, Alabama MARTY MEEHAN, Massachusetts ROSCOE G. BARTLETT, Maryland SILVESTRE REYES, Texas HOWARD P. ‘‘BUCK’’ MCKEON, California VIC SNYDER, Arkansas MAC THORNBERRY, Texas ADAM SMITH, Washington WALTER B. JONES, North Carolina LORETTA SANCHEZ, California ROBIN HAYES, North Carolina MIKE MCINTYRE, North Carolina KEN CALVERT, California ELLEN O. TAUSCHER, California JO ANN DAVIS, Virginia ROBERT A. BRADY, Pennsylvania W. TODD AKIN, Missouri ROBERT ANDREWS, New Jersey J. RANDY FORBES, Virginia SUSAN A. DAVIS, California JEFF MILLER, Florida JAMES R. LANGEVIN, Rhode Island JOE WILSON, South Carolina RICK LARSEN, Washington FRANK A. LOBIONDO, New Jersey JIM COOPER, Tennessee TOM COLE, Oklahoma JIM MARSHALL, Georgia ROB BISHOP, Utah MADELEINE Z. BORDALLO, Guam MICHAEL TURNER, Ohio MARK UDALL, Colorado JOHN KLINE, Minnesota DAN BOREN, Oklahoma CANDICE S. MILLER, Michigan BRAD ELLSWORTH, Indiana PHIL GINGREY, Georgia NANCY BOYDA, Kansas MIKE ROGERS, Alabama PATRICK MURPHY, Pennsylvania TRENT FRANKS, Arizona HANK JOHNSON, Georgia THELMA DRAKE, Virginia CAROL SHEA-PORTER, New Hampshire CATHY MCMORRIS RODGERS, Washington JOE COURTNEY, Connecticut MICHAEL CONAWAY, Texas DAVID LOEBSACK, Iowa GEOFF DAVIS, Kentucky KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND, New York JOE SESTAK, Pennsylvania GABRIELLE GIFFORDS, Arizona ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland KENDRICK B. MEEK, Florida KATHY CASTOR, Florida ERIN C. CONATON, Staff Director DOUG ROACH, Professional Staff Member JESSE TOLLESON, Professional Staff Member JOHN WASON, Professional Staff Member BEN GLERUM, Staff Assistant (II) VerDate 22-MAR-2001 14:19 Dec 10, 2008 Jkt 037812 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 C:\DOCS\110-58\157000.000 HNS1 PsN: HNS1 C O N T E N T S CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF HEARINGS 2007 Page HEARING: Wednesday, June 6, 2007, Department of Defense Body Armor Programs ........ 1 APPENDIX: Wednesday, June 6, 2007 ........................................................................................ 81 WEDNESDAY, JUNE 6, 2007 DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE BODY ARMOR PROGRAMS STATEMENTS PRESENTED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS Abercrombie, Hon. Neal, a Representative from Hawaii, Chairman, Air and Land Forces Subcommittee ................................................................................. 18 Hunter, Hon. Duncan, a Representative from California, Ranking Member, Committee on Armed Services ............................................................................ 2 Saxton, Hon. Jim., a Representative from New Jersey, Ranking Member, Air and Land Forces Subcommittee ................................................................... 19 Skelton, Hon. Ike, a Representative from Missouri, Chairman, Committee on Armed Services ................................................................................................ 1 WITNESSES Coyle, Hon. Philip E., III, Senior Advisor, World Security Institute .................. 7 Morgan, Dr. Jonathan, Deputy Director, National Institute of Justice .............. 60 Neal, Murray, Founder and CEO, Pinnacle Armor, Inc. ...................................... 5 Noonan, Col. Kevin S., Program Executive Officer, Special Operations Forces Warrior Programs, United States Special Operations Command, U.S. Army 58 Smith, Col. Edward J., Product Group Director, Combat Equipment and Support Systems, U.S. Marine Corps ................................................................. 56 Smith, Roger M., Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy, (Expeditionary Warfare) ................................................................................................................ 55 Solis, William ‘‘Bill’’ M., Director, Defense Capabilities and Management Issues .................................................................................................................... 59 Thomas, Douglas D., Executive Director for the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Air Force ............................................................................. 57 Thompson, Lt. Gen. N. Ross, III, Military Deputy to the Assistant Secretary of the Army for Acquisition, Logistics and Technology ..................................... 53 APPENDIX PREPARED STATEMENTS: Abercrombie, Hon. Neal ................................................................................... 87 Coyle, Hon. Philip E., III ................................................................................. 144 Grant, John D., from Pearcy, Arkansas ......................................................... 92 Neal, Murray ..................................................................................................... 97 Noonan, Col. Kevin S. ...................................................................................... 111 Skelton, Hon. Ike .............................................................................................. 85 Smith, Col. Edward J. ...................................................................................... 122 (III) VerDate 22-MAR-2001 14:19 Dec 10, 2008 Jkt 037812 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 C:\DOCS\110-58\157000.000 HNS1 PsN: HNS1 IV Page PREPARED STATEMENTS—CONTINUED Smith, Roger M. ................................................................................................ 129 Solis, William ‘‘Bill’’ M. .................................................................................... 157 Thomas, Douglas D. ......................................................................................... 116 Thompson, Lt. Gen. N. Ross, III, joint with Brig. Gen. R. Mark Brown ..... 134 DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD: Body Armor Inquiry enclosures a, b, c, d, submitted by James G. Magee .. 194 Letter from John Morgan, Assistant Director, Office of Science and Tech- nology, National Institute of Justice Dated December 20, 2006 ............... 173 Recommendations for Testing Dragon Skin® Armor from Kirk Rice, NIST/OLES to Alex Sundstrom, NLECTC-National .................................. 183 [Pinnacle Armor submitted over 50 pages of testimony including the HP White test results, general company literature, product profiles, and biographical information which is retained in the committee files.] QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD: Ms. Bordallo ...................................................................................................... 218 Mr. Conaway ..................................................................................................... 219 Ms. Davis ........................................................................................................... 223 Mr. Forbes ......................................................................................................... 218 Mr. Ross ............................................................................................................ 222 Mr. Saxton ......................................................................................................... 217 Mr. Skelton ....................................................................................................... 201 Dr. Snyder ......................................................................................................... 217 Mr. Spratt ......................................................................................................... 217 Mr. Thornberry ................................................................................................. 221 VerDate 22-MAR-2001 14:19 Dec 10, 2008 Jkt 037812 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 C:\DOCS\110-58\157000.000 HNS1 PsN: HNS1 DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE BODY ARMOR PROGRAMS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES, Washington, DC, Wednesday, June 6, 2007. The committee met, pursuant to call, at 10:05 a.m., in room 2118, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Ike Skelton (chairman of the committee) presiding. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. IKE SKELTON, A REPRESENTA- TIVE FROM MISSOURI, CHAIRMAN, COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order. This morning we will have testimony on the Department of Defense Body Armor Programs. We have with us today two panels. We have distin- guished witnesses representing the military services, private indus- try, and independent agencies. First, I want to thank them for appearing. I would like to remind the members, which I usually do anyway, that we are under the 5-minute rule; and because we have two panels, we want to move along as expeditiously as possible. However, I ask unanimous consent that Mr. Ross of Arkansas, Mr. Radanovich of California and other noncommittee members, if any, be allowed to participate in today’s hearing after all committee members have had an opportunity to ask questions. Is there
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