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House of Commons CANADA Subcommittee on International Human Rights of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development SDIR Ï NUMBER 011 Ï 1st SESSION Ï 39th PARLIAMENT EVIDENCE Tuesday, March 20, 2007 Chair The Honourable Jason Kenney Also available on the Parliament of Canada Web Site at the following address: http://www.parl.gc.ca 1 Subcommittee on International Human Rights of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development Tuesday, March 20, 2007 Ï (1110) China, Yu Zijian, Yu Dongyue, and I threw eggs filled with oil paint [English] onto the portrait of Mao Zedong that hangs over Tiananmen Square. I was sentenced to 16 years in prison for this action, Yu Dongyue for The Chair (Hon. Jason Kenney (Calgary Southeast, CPC)): 20 years, and Yu Zhijian for life. I was released after spending nine Good morning, colleagues. years in prison and fled to Thailand later. We have a quorum. I call to order this meeting of the Subcommittee on International Human Rights of the Standing The Canadian government rescued me to Canada last year. Once Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development. again, I would like to take this opportunity to express my gratitude to [Translation] the Canadian government for the rescue and for its increased concern about China's human rights. I would like to welcome our witness, Mr. Lu Decheng. Mr. Decheng arrived in Canada last year as a refugee. He is really very courageous. I hope he will tell us his personal story. Yu Dongyue has become deranged as a result of the tortures in prison since 1992, but he was not released for medical treatment. He [English] was finally released in February 2006 and he had been in prison for We anticipate that Mr. Decheng will be the last witness in our almost 17 years. One of the conditions for his release was that his ongoing study on the Canada-China bilateral human rights dialogue. family would not charge the prison that had maltreated him. The family also had to admit that Yu Dongyue had no health problems. Mr. Decheng is accompanied by an interpreter. Mr. Decheng will present his testimony, I believe, in Mandarin, and it will be translated into English. These are the pictures taken after he was released. [Translation] Based on my personal experience and understanding of China's But you are bilingual; so you can answer the questions in French human rights situation, I think the way Canada-China bilateral as well, can you not? human rights dialogues have been conducted over the past 10 years [English] needs to be further improved. You are bilingual, are you not? I'm speaking of the interpreter. Ï (1115) Mr. Zhao Donghai (Interpreter, As an Individual): Only in English. In recent years, the Chinese government has intensified its control The Chair: That's fine; I understand. and persecution in the areas of democracy, human rights, media, speech, and religion. Meanwhile, it has deprived the general public Pardon me. I asked whether you are bilingual. My question should of their basic rights on the large scale to speak up on the unbalanced have been whether you speak French. In Ottawa, people can speak economic development and strengthening of government dictator- six languages, but they're still not bilingual if they don't speak ship. French or English. Mr. Decheng, welcome to the committee. Thank you for coming. The deranged Yu Dongyue was finally released last year; We look forward to your presentation. however, how many of those people who were sent to prison as Mr. Zhao Donghai: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. criminal offenders during the June 4 massacre are still imprisoned? There is no way to know the specific number, because of the so- First of all, I'd like to thank Parliament and the Subcommittee on called national secret, but we believe the number is not small. International Human Rights for the opportunity to make suggestions on Canada-China bilateral human rights dialogues. What's worse is that cases of injustice are happening in China My name is Lu Decheng and I currently live in Calgary. During every day. I have collected the names of the people who were sent to the democracy movement in 1989 at Tiananmen Square in Beijing, prison, named as criminal offenders, on June 4, 1989. 2 SDIR-11 March 20, 2007 A few years ago l worked in a clothing factory in Wenzhou City in the peaceful development of the world. It is encouraging to see that China's Zhejiang province, and I investigated the living conditions of the current Government of Canada has increased its concern on workers there. The workers had to work over 12 hours a day, and the China's human rights and is exploring more effective ways to daily wage was merely 15 yuan—which is Chinese currency. Every promote China's progress in human rights. evening after work, the workers were locked inside the shabby dormitories, separated by wood boards on top of the workshops, I sincerely wish that this momentum will continue. which were full of inflammable materials. A fierce wolf-dog, which Thank you. only recognized the owner and security guards, watched the building entrance. Even so, many workers still wanted to stay because they The Chair: Thank you very much, Mr. Decheng. could at least be paid, although meagrely. [Translation] Ï (1120) We will start the round of questioning with Ms. St-Hilaire, so that I have a study provided by an organization of labour Mr. Silva has an opportunity to familiarize himself with correspondents. This study is about the living conditions of Chinese Mr. Decheng's testimony. workers. I can give an example here. This is a shoe factory in China's Dongguan county in Guandong province, neighbouring Hong Kong. So I will now give the floor to Ms. St-Hilaire. Workers at this factory really have to work from 7:30 in the morning Ms. Caroline St-Hilaire (Longueuil—Pierre-Boucher, BQ): to 11:30 in the evening, and only two hours of this period is Thank you, Mr. Chairman. considered overtime; the other part is normal time. I think it is enriching for committee members to hear your I was deeply touched by the following incidents. Before the winter testimony this morning. I would like to welcome you to our meeting of 2006, the City of Calgary ordered that a vacant shopping mall at today. Centre Street and 16th Avenue not be demolished until the coming spring or summer to allow the homeless people staying inside to I believe I heard something incorrectly. You suggested four ways spend the winter safely. At the same time in China, Xue Xianggu, a of enhancing our dialogue with China. I would like you to repeat senior in Yangzhou City of China's Jiangsu province, was crushed to that, because I missed a few of your points. That is my first question. death in his own residence because of its forced demolition, led by the authorities. There were some reports about this incident. I have My second question is somewhat broader. You are first and some samples here, which you could also find. foremost Chinese, unless I am mistaken. In your opinion, what could be done to get the Chinese authorities to move, and to respect human Today, such sad incidents are taking place in mainland China rights? You mentioned some ways of renewing the dialogue, of frequently and in large numbers. enhancing our bilateral dialogue with China. What would cause the As freedom, democracy, and human rights are increasingly Chinese authorities to move? The dialogue has been in place for becoming the universal values of human beings, Canada, with its some time, with its flaws and weaknesses. Do you think there is rich resources and being one of the largest territories in the world, is some way we can get the Chinese authorities to move? fully obliged and capable of playing an important role. Therefore, I Once again, I thank you for being here. would suggest the following: Ï (1130) First, change the way Canada–China bilateral human rights [English] dialogues have been conducted over the past 10 years; these have been nominal, closed, and purely intergovernmental. NGOs and Mr. Zhao Donghai: The suggestions I made just now indirectly activists dedicated to improving bilateral human rights situations answer your question. I now would like to repeat those suggestions. should be allowed to participate in the dialogues, which should be open to the public. The four suggestions are as follows. First, change the way Canada-China bilateral human rights dialogues have been conducted Ï (1125) over the past ten years, which have been nominal, closed, and purely Second, on a case-by-case basis and with persistent determination, intergovernmental. NGOs and activists dedicated to improving urge the parties to gradually improve bilateral human rights bilateral human right situations should be allowed to participate in situations. the dialogues, which should be open to the public. Third, on a regular basis, organize China human rights Second, on a case-by-case basis and with persistent determination, investigation groups to visit China and examine the improvement urge the parties to gradually improve bilateral human rights of these human rights situations. situations. Last, establish a widespread and cooperative mechanism with Third, on a regular basis, organize China human rights human rights groups of all circles to form a social network focusing investigation groups to visit China and examine the improvement on human rights. of its human rights situation. A dictatorial, tyrannical, and powerful China is a disaster for the Last, establish a widespread and cooperative mechanism with world.