Australians at War Film Archive James Haynes
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Australians at War Film Archive James Haynes (Jimmy) - Transcript of interview Date of interview: 15th March 2004 http://australiansatwarfilmarchive.unsw.edu.au/archive/1590 Tape 1 00:40 Jim, can you just give us a summary of your life to date? I was born on the 24th of April, in 1923, which was exactly eight years after Anzac Day. 01:00 My father came to Australia from England in 1912. My mother came from a family that came to South Australia in 1848. I was born in a place called Clarence Park in South Australia. It was a suburb mainly of returned soldiers. 01:30 I went to school at Brighton for a while. There was a reason for that. My father was in hospital a lot, from problems encountered in the war. My grandmother lived there. I went to school at Blackforest Primary, and I did only high school. I started work in 1940 with Guinea Airways. I remained with them until 1941, October, when I went into the army. 02:02 After the war I recommenced in the airline business with the old Australia National Airways. They had taken over the Guinea Airways operation. I then went through the post-war period of the building of the airlines, that became a very big thing in Australia, as you know. 02:31 I was a traffic officer, as they call them these days. You did everything in the airline at that time. Then I became personnel officer in South Australia, Western Australian, and all that, and that was extremely interesting, interviewing people. At the same time I started to study at the South Australian School of Mines. I was studying management. And the School of Mines was similar 03:00 to what the Institute of Technology is today. As a matter of fact, the School of Mines is the South Australian Institute of Technology. In 1953, I married Kathleen – I probably jumped a bit there. In 1955, we had our first son Andrew. 03:31 In ‘57, our second son Richard. And then in 1960, along came Elizabeth. And all this time I was doing different jobs in the airline. Then in 1965, they wanted a manager for Darwin. So I up and took my wife and three kids from the comforts of suburban existence, to what would be called primitive existence in Darwin. 04:02 But it was a wonderful five years, everyone enjoyed it. The kids didn’t have television. That was one of the greatest times of our lives. we were then posted down to Brisbane, I became assistant Queensland manager, then I was Brisbane manager of Ansett. Then after the take-over by TNT [Trans National Truck], 04:30 like all things, my job as Brisbane manager had became redundant and I became personnel manager for Queensland, which I ended up doing. It was a very interesting period. Can you tell me a little bit about the town that you grew up in? Yes, Clarence Park was only four miles from Adelaide, it was on the railway line. It was a suburban town 05:02 When my father and mother moved there, the cow paddocks were still there. As a matter of fact, I used to go around the dairy and get the milk and bring it home. There was a big milk factory, and if you wanted cream or anything you used to go up there. But that was the sort of places they were, but like all places around here they became suburbanised, if that’s the right word. The people 05:30 had built, and slowly the whole area – I would doubt today if you could find a vacant block in that whole area. The town itself had a great spirit. Most of the chaps were ex-servicemen. From the First War, of course. A tremendous lot were from Gallipoli. They formed RSLs [Returned and Services Leagues], and unit clubs, and they had a great 06:00 espirit de corps, for people that had any problems. I remember my father was in hospital as a result of what happened in the war. He was in hospital and what happened, half the blokes would come around, they’d chop the wood, they’d dig the garden, they’d do all these sorts of things. And I know he used to do it for 06:30 other people when he was well enough. You could leave your doors open. There was no worry of any theft or anything like that. But generally speaking, it was a good place to grow up. We never had much money. No-one did, because you had the Depression years come along in the ‘30s. The job that my father had ceased to exist, but fortunately, he had a pension from the First War. It wasn’t very much, but it was more than what a lot of people had at that time. 07:02 My brother was born in 1930. There’s quite a gap between the two of us. Me in ‘23 – He was a long way behind. He’s now in his ‘70s, and we became quite close. In 07:30 schooling, I told you I went to school at Brighton. Now that was an interesting school. It was Church of England school. It was run by two ladies, Misses Flemings. And there’s been a book written about them. I even got my name in the book, I don’t know what for. Getting on into – later on, I went to Blackforest, which was near where I lived. Then I went to Unley High School, 08:01 which was the school about four miles away – We used to push our bikes there every day. It was a very good high school. A lot of prominent people came out of there. Talking of the war again, Dave Shannon, who was one of the pilots in the Dambusters [RAF bomber unit] – He featured in the film The Dambusters. It’s a very good film, they made it just after the war. 08:34 After I finished schooling there, at Unley High School, the school used to get one vacancy a year to go to the airlines, Guinea Airways, and I was the lucky one to get that, at the end of ‘39, the beginning of ‘40. The first school you talked about? What did it look like and who were your mates at school? Yeah, it was a very interesting school. It was in one 09:01 big hall, and these two ladies, they were old ladies to us, they probably weren’t at that time – It was situated at the entrance to a cemetery. We would see the funeral processions go by and wonder who that was. It was a different school. We used to start off the mornings singing a hymn. We were given a lot of freedom in our education. 09:31 I could speak French when I was about eight. I wish I had kept on with it. That was the sort of thing that they did. I think that’s one of the reasons that my parents thought I was getting some sort of education. That’s why I went back to Blackforest School in my final year, because you had to get what they called 10:00 a QC, Qualifying Certificate, to go onto high school. But that’s what it was like. You said there was a specific reason why you went to Clarence – Clarence Park? Well, we lived at Clarence Park. I went to the school at Brighton because my grandmother. Dad was crook [sick] a lot, from the First War, and my mother used to go down there. If she was out, 10:30 or was going to be out, I always went to my grandmother’s place, down at Brighton. Did you enjoy being with your grandmother?. Quite good. In those days, she lived right on the seafront. You walked out the front of her house and onto the beach, and that was wonderful, for young people. I could swim when I was five. It was great. We also had big sandhills. Interesting. One of the chaps who went to that school was Jim Hardy, Sir James. 11:02 He had quite a famous winery. And there were a lot of other people. Sir Douglas Mawson [Antarctic explorer], his daughter went there. It was a different school to the normal run of schools. Can you tell us a bit about your father, and his experiences in the war? Did he talk to you much about it? I wish I had talked to him a lot more about it. 11:32 He came to Australia in 1912, as I said earlier. And he joined up at 1914, at the outbreak of war. He went overseas in 1914, with the 10th Battalion. As you know, they all went to Egypt and they trained in Egypt. He very much enjoyed being in Egypt. He enjoyed the training. He’s told me that. And 12:00 how much it helped when they got to Gallipoli. They went on boats, a few weeks earlier, I believe. He was in the 10th Battalion. There were three battalions that did the landings. There was a 9th from Queensland, a 10th from South Australia, and an 11th from Perth. They were the three initial battalions who hit the beach. My father did not land on the initial lot. 12:30 He came in afterwards. He always said that. He was very, very lucky. When he was on Gallipoli, the only wound he ever got was on the hand, he said.