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House of Commons Transport Committee Transport Security: Travelling without Fear Oral and written evidence Ordered by The House of Commons to be printed 12 December 2007 HC 191 Incorporating HC 1085, Session 2005–06 and HC 96, Session 2006–07 Published on 9 January 2008 by authority of the House of Commons London: The Stationery Office Limited £0.00 The Transport Committee The Transport Committee is appointed by the House of Commons to examine the expenditure, administration and policy of the Department for Transport and its associated public bodies. Current membership Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody MP (Labour, Crewe and Nantwich) (Chairman) Mr David Clelland MP (Labour, Tyne Bridge) Clive Efford MP (Labour, Eltham) Mrs Louise Ellman MP (Labour/Co-operative, Liverpool Riverside) Mr Philip Hollobone MP (Conservative, Kettering) Mr John Leech MP (Liberal Democrat, Manchester, Withington) Mr Eric Martlew MP (Labour, Carlisle) Mr Lee Scott MP (Conservative, Ilford North) David Simpson MP (Democratic Unionist, Upper Bann) Mr Graham Stringer MP (Labour, Manchester Blackley) Mr David Wilshire MP (Conservative, Spelthorne) Powers The Committee is one of the departmental select committees, the powers of which are set out in House of Commons Standing Orders, principally in SO No 152. These are available on the Internet via www.parliament.uk. Publications The Reports and evidence of the Committee are published by The Stationery Office by Order of the House. All publications of the Committee (including press notices) are on the Internet at www.parliament.uk/transcom. Committee staff The current staff of the Committee are Tom Healey (Clerk), Annette Toft (Second Clerk), David Davies (Committee Specialist), Timothy Steer (Committee Specialist), Alison Mara (Committee Assistant), Ronnie Jefferson (Secretary), Gaby Henderson (Senior Office Clerk) and Laura Kibby (Media Officer). Contacts All correspondence should be addressed to the Clerk of the Transport Committee, House of Commons, 7 Millbank, London SW1P 3JA. The telephone number for general enquiries is 020 7219 6263; the Committee’s email address is [email protected]. Witnesses Wednesday 3 May 2006 Page Sir Richard Mottram GCB, Security & Intelligence Co-ordinator, Cabinet Office Ev 1 Commander Ian Carter and Chief Superintendent Jerry Savill, Metropolitan Police, Deputy Chief Constable Andrew Trotter and Mr Adrian Dwyer, Force Counter-Terrorism Risk Adviser, British Transport Police Ev 10 Wednesday 10 May 2006 Mr Ian Coucher, Deputy Chief Executive, Network Rail; Mr Simon Gimson, GNER Security Manager, Association of Train Operating Companies, (ATOC); Ms Maggie Simpson, Policy Manager, Rail Freight Group; Mr Terry Robinson, Director, and Mr Jean-Paul Lingrand, Security Manager, Eurotunnel Ev 24 Mr Howard Collins, Sub-Surface Railway Service Director, London Underground Limited; Mr Steve Burton, Deputy Director, Transport Policing Enforcement, Surface Transport, Transport for London; and Mr Neil Scales, Chief Executive and Director General, Merseyside Passenger Transport Authority & Executive (Merseytravel) Ev 34 Mr Tony Donaghey, President, National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers, (RMT), Mr Gerry Doherty, General Secretary, Transport Salaried Staffs Association, (TSSA), Ms Katrina Hide, Deputy Chairman, Mr John Cartledge, Deputy Chief Executive, London TravelWatch, Mr Colin Foxall, Chairman, Passengerfocus and Mr Anthony Smith, Chief Executive, Passengerfocus Ev 41 Wednesday 11 October 2006 Mr Craig Bradbrook, Director, Security & Facilitation, Airports Council International; Chief Constable Michael J Todd QPM, Association of Chief Police Officers; Professor Alan Hatcher, Principal, International School for Security and Explosives Education; and Mr Mel Littler, Ascent Aviation Security Ltd Ev 49 Mr Ian Hutcheson, Security Director, BAA, Captain Tim Steeds, Head of Safety and Security, British Airways, Ms Gaynor McLaughlin, Head of Security, easyJet and Mr Chris Welsh, General Manager, Campaigns, Freight Transport Association Ev 59 Wednesday 6 December 2006 Rt Hon Douglas Alexander, Secretary of State for Transport, and Ms Niki Tompkinson, Director of Transport Security and Contingencies Directorate, Department for Transport Ev 67 List of written evidence 1 British Airways plc, supplementary memorandum Ev 80 2 Association of Train Operating Companies (ATOC) Ev 81 3 Transport Salaried Staffs Association (TSSA) Ev 82 4 British Transport Police (BTP) Ev 84 5 London TravelWatch Ev 92 6 easyJet Airline Company Limited Ev 93 7 Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport Safety (PACTS) Ev 95 8 National Aviation Security Committee (NASC) Ev 96 9 Merseytravel Ev 97 10 ThruVision Ltd Ev 100 11 Hutchinson Port Holdings Ev 101 12 Virgin Atlantic Airways Ev 105 13 United Kingdom Major Ports Group (UKMPG) Ev 106 14 British Ports Association (BPA) Ev 107 15 Transport for London Ev 108 16 British Airways Plc Ev 111 17 Department for Transport Ev 114 18 Department for Transport, supplementary memorandum Ev 124 19 Network Rail Ev 140 20 Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) Ev 142 21 Transport-watch UK Ev 150 22 The Observer Ev 151 23 BBC News Ev 151 24 Cabinet Office Ev 154 25 Cabinet Office, supplementary memorandum Ev 154 26 Transport and General Workers Union (T&G) Ev 154 27 Federation of Small Businesses (FSB) Ev 157 28 National Co-ordinator Ports Policing (NCPP) Ev 158 29 Rail Freight Group Ev 166 30 ICHL International Container Hubs Ltd Ev 168 31 Passengerfocus Ev 172 32 Rail Freight Group, supplementary memorandum Ev 175 33 Eurotunnel Ev 178 34 Eurotunnel, supplementary memorandum Ev 181 35 Association of Chief Police Officers Ev 181 36 National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT) Ev 186 37 International School for Security and Explosives Education Ev 187 38 British Airports Authority (BAA) Ev 188 39 Ascent Aviation Security Ltd Ev 193 40 Airports Council International (ACI) Ev 194 41 Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS) Ev 196 42 Home Office Ev 197 List of unprinted written evidence Additional papers have been received from the following and have been reported to the House but to save printing costs they have not been printed and copies have been placed in the House of Commons Library where they may be inspected by Members. Other copies are in the Record Office, House of Lords and are available to the public for inspection. Requests for inspection should be addressed to the Record Office, House of Lords, London SW1. (Tel 020 7219 3074). Hours of inspection are from 9:30am to 5:00pm on Mondays to Fridays. Alastair Hay PhD Page Type [SO] 18-12-07 18:49:09 Pag Table: COENEW PPSysB Job: 376831 Unit: PAG1 Transport Committee: Evidence Ev 1 Oral evidence Taken before the Transport Committee on Wednesday 3 May 2006 Members present Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody, in the Chair Mrs Louise Ellman Graham Stringer Mr Robert Goodwill Mr David Wilshire Mr Eric Martlew Witness: Sir Richard Mottram GCB, Security & Intelligence Co-ordinator, Cabinet OYce, gave evidence. Chairman: Just a little bit of housekeeping before we Committee and therefore I am responsible for the begin. Members having an interest to declare? eVectiveness of the Government’s intelligence Mr Martlew: Member of the Transport & General machinery in producing strategic assessments for Workers’ Union and member of the GMB. ministers and others, amongst other things. Chairman: Member of ASLEF. Mrs Ellman: Member of the Transport & General Q5 Chairman: Well, that is certainly an interesting Workers’ Union. brief. You mentioned the way in which all of the services work together. Sir Andrew Turnbull said Q1 Chairman: Sir Richard, welcome, we are always the UK’s gap around what the Americans call delighted to see you. Perhaps you would be kind “homeland security” was a real one. enough to identify yourself for the record. Sir Richard Mottram: There are diVerent choices Sir Richard Mottram: I am Richard Mottram and I you can make about how you organise in relation to am the Security & Intelligence Co-ordinator in the this range of things. In the case of the American Cabinet OYce. Government they chose, post 9/11, to put a number of their capabilities together in a single, large Q2 Chairman: Did you have something you wanted organisation. If you do that I think you have the to say first? benefit that it is all inside an organisational Sir Richard Mottram: Not particularly, other than I boundary. You have the potential disbenefit that it suppose to say—and I will say it—two things really. can be a very large organisation. In the case of the One is if we get into areas around the threat we face, British Government—and I am aware that this is obviously I shall need to be rather general and potentially a party political issue so I will be careful insofar as you want to talk about what happened last in what I say—they believe that the right way to July, I would only intend to talk about 7 July. organise in this area is to ensure that at both ministerial and oYcial level there is eVective co- Q3 Chairman: I think we understand the constraints, ordination and clear accountability for who is going Sir Richard, but you will also understand that we to do what. Essentially, I am responsible for really want to get this on the record. The diYculties ensuring that that whole machine works. In about parameters are not only fully understood but exercising that responsibility I work both to the we will try and stick within the game. Prime Minister and I have a good relationship with Sir Richard Mottram: Yes, of course. the Home Secretary who, as I think you will have seen from the document I sent you, also has a very important role in relation to these things. I do not Q4 Chairman: You have got very important think that the way in which we are organised itself responsibilities for intelligence, security and creates any insuperable issues. There obviously are national emergency planning. Do you want to tell us some major issues about ensuring we are driving what they entail? forward the things we need to do, but whatever Sir Richard Mottram: Yes.