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This is a complete transcript of the oral history interview with John C. Chin (CN 206, T1) for the Billy Graham Center Archives. No spoken words which were recorded are omitted. In a very few cases, the transcribers could not understand what was said, in which case “[unclear]” was inserted. If the transcribers were not completely sure that they had the words correctly, a “[?]” was inserted. So, grunts and verbal hesitations such as "ah" or "um" are usually omitted. Readers of this transcript should remember that this is a transcript of spoken English, which follows a different rhythm and even rule than written English. Three dots indicate an interruption or break in the train of thought within the sentence of the speaker. Four dots indicate what the transcriber believes to be the end of an incomplete sentence. ( ) Word in parentheses are asides made by the speaker. [ ] Words in brackets are comments made by the transcriber. This transcript was created by Bob Shuster and Paul Bartow and was completed in November 2019 Please note: This oral history interview expresses the personal memories and opinions of the interviewee and does not necessarily represent the views or policies of the Billy Graham Center Archives or Wheaton College. © 2018. The Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. BGC Archives CN 206, T1 Transcript - Page 2 Collection 206, Tape 1. Oral history interview with John C. Chin by Galen Wilson on March 3, 1982. WILSON: This is March the 3rd, 1982. We are here in the Billy Graham Center Archives with Dr. John Chin, who is MD [doctor] practicing in this area now, who grew up in China, and we are going to discuss with him his experiences of China and the church and the mission, etcetera, etcetera. Dr. Chin, the first thing I would like you to talk about is your birth, where you were born, when, your parents, your family in general. CHIN: Okay. Well, I was born in Kaifeng, Honan Province, China. And I born in…in 1911. WILSON: And month and day? CHIN: And 6th of April. WILSON: And your parents were...? CHIN: Yes, there were...I was born in a Christian family. WILSON: Uh-huh. What were your parents’ names? CHIN: My father=s name is Yung-hao. WILSON: Now how do I spell that? CHIN: Y-U-N-G. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: H-A-O in Chinese way. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: And my mother=s family name is Yin. Y-I-N Shin-yi. Shin, So, the old way to pronounce it. I mean, the spelling is S-H-I-N. I guess that=s…. WILSON: Okay. CHIN: Yeah. Yi is Y-I. WILSON: Y-I? CHIN: Yeah. WILSON: All right. And you said you were born into a Christian home. © 2019. The Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. BGC Archives CN 206, T1 Transcript - Page 3 CHIN: Yeah. WILSON: Had your parents grown up as Christians? CHIN: No, they believed in the other period of time. Yeah. They converted. WILSON: Did…. What were...what was the circumstance… CHIN: Well, I…. WILSON: …of their coming to the Lord? CHIN: I think this through the CIM, you know, the China Inland Mission workers, I guess. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: Not the…. I don=t necessarily, you know, the western missionaries, but some Chinese workers… WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: …in that way. WILSON: …So, it was fellow Chinese who led your parents to Christ? CHIN: Chinese. Yeah. That=s right. WILSON: Your grandparents, did they...? CHIN: No, I don=t know, but I don=t think that they believed. WILSON: You never knew your grandparents? CHIN: No. Yeah. WILSON: Uh-huh. Do you have brothers and sisters? CHIN: Yes. By the way, I…my name is Chung-An in Chinese. WILSON: Right. Now spell…spell that for me. CHIN: C-H-U-N-G. WILSON: Uh-huh. © 2019. The Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. BGC Archives CN 206, T1 Transcript - Page 4 CHIN: A-N. And Chung is actually the…the second one. Middle one. [Laughs] Well, I have many elder brother that means, yeah. WILSON: Uh-huh. How did you acquire the name John then? CHIN: Why, because my Chinese name is Chung-An, and [for] western friends its rather not so, easy to pronounce correctly. Chung-An. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: ..So, they heard my name in Chinese, and they said something quite similar, you know, put together. You know, then is like John, quite similar. ..So, they call me John instead of calling me Chung-an. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: In that way, then I also, use that. It was nice to use that name too. WILSON: The...when did you first start using the name John? CHIN: Oh, it quite a number of years. WILSON: While you were still in China? CHIN: Yes. Yeah. WILSON: Was it advantageous to use a western...? CHIN: Well, it was because I had…I had many chance to talk, you know, make the friends with the western missionaries, you know, so forth. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: So.... WILSON: Now from the time you were a boy, did you attend mission schools? CHIN: No, it=s a public school…. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: …but I attended the CIM church/Sunday school, I guess so. WILSON: Uh-huh. The public schools were run by...? © 2019. The Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. BGC Archives CN 206, T1 Transcript - Page 5 CHIN: By, you know, the local government…. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: …and so forth, yes. WILSON: Now, this would have been...you would have been a schoolboy during the Nationalist period, wouldn’t you have been? CHIN: Yes, that time is...only the Nationalists. WILSON: Uh-huh. Where exactly is Kaifeng? CHIN: Kaifeng. WILSON: Now where…where exactly is that in China? CHIN: That=s in the northern part of China. Chung-zhou. And we actually…we say that Kaifeng is the middle, you know center of the whole China. So, the original name for that town or that city is Zhong-zhou. Zhong-zhou means the middle part of China. WILSON: Is it a large town? CHIN: I think it is now quite sizable a town. But when I was young, I lived there, it=s about 300,000… WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: …population. That is, you know way back, about thirty…thirty years ago. WILSON: That’s still a large town to some of us. CHIN: Yeah. That=s right [laughs]. But that was, Kaifeng was…usually was the capital of Honan Province. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: Yeah, Honan Province means the Yellow River… WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: …just passed through the Honan Province. WILSON: Alright. © 2019. The Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. BGC Archives CN 206, T1 Transcript - Page 6 CHIN: Yeah. WILSON: When you were growing up, did you think that Christianity was something that was indigenous to your area? I mean...had Christianity become a…a Chinese religion or was it still considered a foreign import, a missionary endeavor? CHIN: I…I remember it that my young, you know, my young period of time, I think that people, Chinese people, looked at the Christian church or Christianity as foreign. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: However, in connection with the CIM mission work, they always emphasized the, you know, to…to make the church to the indigenous, the Chinese… WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: …not the foreigners. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: So, CIM is perhaps on that score, might be far advanced. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: For instance, I give you, one...if any Chinese evangelist, you know, if one church or group want to have you know... WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: …then they should pay their own salary, they emphasized. Unless there is some situation in special cases there might be, they might be some subsidized. But they always insist that you have to pay your own, you know, your evangelist salary by your Chinese Christians. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: ...So, there is something, you know, they wanted to make, you know. Not only those people who look at this, but also, the evangelist. WILSON: Right. CHIN: That way the CIM did a good job on this… WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: …not from the [laughs] you know the foreign missions. © 2019. The Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. BGC Archives CN 206, T1 Transcript - Page 7 WILSON: Uh-huh. How big was the CIM church in Kaifeng? CHIN: They had several places in Kaifeng. And the…. WILSON: Several churches? CHIN: Yes, you know the whole Honan Province. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: Well, not too big. Might be 150, 200 I think as the membership is concerned. WILSON: Uh-huh. CHIN: But there are several places in the Kaifeng area.