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From: ED BUTLER To: MARK LANE
A CHALLENGE TO DEBATE
Mark Lane, the so-called "critic" of public confidence in the FBI, the When I challenged Lane's attempt 2. That Oswald had written six the Warren Commission, is actually CIA, and the office of the Presidency. to ramrod a dangerous resolution letters to, and received two replies only critical of part of the evidence through, by amending it so that it from, the Communist Party USA —the vast majority to be sure—whichl This is not funny, although Lane would require full disclosure of his shortly before the crime? Not to would indicate that Lee Harvey Os- , gets laughs from the unthinking and own background, he balked. Later he mention detailed instructions for or- wald was a Communist, and killed ! gullible. Without the FBI, our do- began to accuse me, at first by impli- ganizing a Chapter, in a letter from President Kennedy to advance revo- mestic eyes and ears, riots and sabo- cation and then directly, on WDSU- the Fair Play for Cuba Committee? lution in America. tage would rage continually in Amer- TV of "Right Wing Extremism", just ica. as Lee Harvey Oswald did when I 3. That Oswald was known as The 26 volumes of the Hearings Without the CIA, our eyes and debated him on WDSU radio. violently pro-Communist from his and the Report of the Warren Com- early teens by schoolmates, who testi- mission contain 3,154 exhibits and ears abroad, millions of Americans could be vaporized in a sneak attack. This charge is as ludicrous as the fied about it under oath, thus smash- the testimony of 552 witnesses culled American Nazi Party's accusation that ing ideas of a double agent? (Unless from 26,550 FBI and Secret Service And we know where hatred of the I was "pro-Communist", for produc- the CIA is recruiting operatives from interviews . . . a total of 101/2 Presidenc y can lead. ing the film "Hitler In Havana!" for Junior High School). lion words altogether. No one can INCA. Despite the fact that this anti- "agree" or "disagree" with that vast Because he is probably the best Nazi/Communist film was broadcast 4. That during the hearings, when bulk of material, much of it conflict- detective fiction writer since Arthur throughout the nation on TV by the FBI Chief J. Edgar Hoover was ques- ing. Conan Doyle, a glib speaker, and Schick Safety Razor Company, Lane tioned by Congressman Hale Boggs . totally unimpressed by truth, Lane did not hesitate to hurl the terms about Oswald's motive for killing Oswald succeeded remarkably has raised his tiny fraction of con- "fascism" and "extremism" at me. Kennedy, Hoover said: his aim of fomenting revolution, as jecture into public prominence. Far But judging by Lane's own back- the rise in riots and confusion in more significant and substantial ma- "My speculation Mr. Boggs, is America since 1963 indicates. By ground, furnished to us by Congress- terial lies buried in the Warren Re- man F. Edw. Hebert and other re- that this man was no doubt a dedi- smashing the highest symbol of na- port and Hearings, unknown to the cated Communist. He prefers to call tional authority — the Presidency - liable sources, anyone to the right of public. Gus Hall might seem extremist and himself a Marxist, but there you get Oswald encouraged a whole legion fascist to Lane. into the field of semantics. He was of Communists, and criminals to sur- In short, there is another side to a Communist, he sympathized thor- face and seize the spoils through vio- the story. Lane also has characterized me as oughly with the Communist cause."t lence. There are abundant proofs to show that revolution was Oswald's The YMBC has heard Lane's side "the only person known to have lost a public debate with Lee Harvey The real "assassination plot" is the dream. twice, for a total of nearly three hours. His words have reached hun- Oswald". A recording of that debate frantic effort by Lane and others to Actually, Mark Lane (no doubt un- dreds of thousands of people on is available, entitled "Oswald: Self- obscure from the American people wittingly) is helping to make that campuses and through news-media, Portrait In Red". Some say Lane's the simple fact that Oswald was a dedicated Communist. dream come true, with his innuendoes cloaked in the prestige of Our po- opinion of that record is the best and concoctions which undermine dium. indication of where his sympathy lies. You can purchase the recording, hear Since the confrontation, we have Clip and Mail Oswald, and judge for yourself, by been trying to coax Lane to debate simply sending in the coupon below. all pertinent matters, including his TO: ED BUTLER All funds go to INCA, a non-profit, qualifications and my own. No luck o INCA. P. 0. BOX 53371 private organization, comprised of yet. However, these facts can be brought out in other ways, and this New 0 over 300 civic leaders, liberal, mod- ,;eans. Louisiana 70150 erate and conservative, headed by Dr. advertisement is one of them. Pease rush me the following: Alton Ochsner. Unlike others, we prefer not to profit by our President's I invite you to write to INCA for Oswald: Self-Portrait In Red" record albums @ $10. death. "The Invisible Invasion", an analysis of Oswald and revolution from the The invisible Invasion" @ $1 Meanwhile, as an example of the Congressional RECORD, using the kind of thing that Lane would rather coupon below. Your name will be Check enclosed for $ not discuss, did you know: placed on the list for other material as it becomes available. ^t8 ME 1. That Mark Lane's article, "A Lawyer's Brief for Lee Harvey Os- I appreciate the support of many A:DQESS wald", was first published in the good friends in the YMBC who are NATIONAL GUARDIAN, an offi- anxious to get both sides of the story i told. C— cially-cited Communist front publica- STATE ZIP tion, less than one month (December 19, 1963) after the assassination? t Hearings before the President's Comm,'- (How's that for rushing to judg- sion on the Assassination of President Ken. ment?) nedy, Volume V, page 104. (This is a paid advertisement, approved by INCA Executive Committee 12/20,6-1 THE NEW YORK TIMES. Sunday, December 24, 1967
1 New Orleans, and we cannot, afford it." GARRISON A THORN "People are getting sick of Garrison," a cab driver said. "They were willing to listen at TO NEW ORLEANS first, but I think if he really had something it would have Many Found Upset by His come out by now." Earlier this week a meeting Assasination Charges of the Young Men's Business Club of Greater New Orleans awoke to The New York Than broke up when Mark Lane, au- thor of "Rush to Judgment."' NEW ORLEANS. Dec. 23— finished a speech attacking the Local residents are increasingly Warren Commission Report. upset by the activities of their Mr. Garrison also criticizes District Attorney, Jim Garrison, the report, which concluded who this week charged that a that Lee Harvey Oswald had second man had conspired to acted alone in murdering Presi- dent Kennedy. kill President Kennedy. ' Edward S. Butler. executive The accused man, Edgar Eu- director of the Information gene Bradley, West Coast rep- , Council of the Americas, rose. resentative for a right-wing ra- in the audience and angrily dio broadcaster. Dr. Carl challenged Mr. Lane to a oe- McIntire, contends that the bate on the spot. Mr. Butler's charge is a case of mistaken request was refused, and he identity and says he will fight started questioning Mr. Lane! extradition from California to directly, but the exchange was! New Orleans. He is scheduled drowned out by shouts and ar lo be arrested Tuesday in Los guments in every part of the Angeles. room. Mr. Garrison received inter- But if many people feel that national attention earlier this Mr. Garrison is embarrassing year when he accused Clay L. New Orleans, some continue to Shaw, former president of the lbelieve that he might have International Trade Mart here, something. with participation in a conspi- "A lot of people here want racy to assinate the President to believe Garrison," said a in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Mr. young lawyer. 'They don't want -Shaw will come to trial in to accept the fact that Presi- Yebruary. dent Kennedy could have been) "How many times can Gar- shot by one man." tison play the fool and get' away with it?" a prominent businessman said this week. "I'm surprised he hasn't been knocked down before this. The Governor of the courts or the bar association should do some- thing. He should be disbarred for this. His investigation has definitely hurt the image of contains instructions on use of a P.O. Box, and use of first class mail without a full return address. Oswald answered to set up a chapter. Apparently annotated by Oswald --- he was interested in getting FPCC literature for resale, it be true. However, there were rumors of FPCC activities at Loyola and Tulane Universities during 1963, and there is testimony in the Warren Commission about possible FPCC meetings at a former Tulane Professor's home on Pine with a three page reply of his own. It has been repeatedly stated that Oswald headed a paper chapter. and this may
street. He moved on to Stanford where Mark Lane lived
that we know of.
This is a reduction of a three page letter from the head of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, telling Oswald how
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led many to conclude that Oswald
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which Oswald represented in New is but one example of the Castroite Edgar Hoover as racist monkeys. Cuba, and mailed into the United States. Showing JFK, RFK and J. lished in May, 1963. months before pamphlet called him "Slick John" line which Oswald upheld. Pub. tionless as a "heap of dune while and accused him of sitting as mo- Negroes were murdered. President Kennedy's murder, the
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Party USA until a few weeks before the murder. murder. the before weeks few a until USA Party
record, can I still, under these circumstances compete with the antiprogres- the with compete circumstances these under still, I can record,
bate he asks "can I continue to fight, handicapped as it were, by my past past my by were, it as handicapped fight, to continue I "can asks he bate
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the United States". Explaining the problem he encountered on the radio de- radio the on encountered he problem the Explaining States". United the
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Before cut responsibility of the official hate- Mr. Butler was called to Washington less than 48 the debate his face was tight, sar- propaganda of communist regimes. hours after*the crime to confer with top officials on castic, on guard, yet with no super- The communist line draws a dead the case, since he was the only propaganda specialist fluous motions. When I mentioned head on every institution and leader 51011- ever to interview Oswald. The following is a that a merchant was "progressive" in of the Free World. Through a Mary which analyzes the meaning of the Oswalt, his business, Oswald looked around sophisticated propaganda network it episode.—Editor) quickly in the midst of another con- dumps a mountain of hate into the versation at the first syllable of the receptive minds of mankind. THE MOTIVATION OF AN ASSASSIN word 'progressive'. Then when he It is heard for some Americans to understood the content of the state-. understand how It young boy of 15, by Ed Butler ment—that it was being applied to reading a pro-communist pamphlet (copyright Ed Butler. 1963) capitalism—his glance changed into about the Rosenberg traitors, can he a smirk of disgust. converted as Oswald was—over a The murder of President John F. figures of the Fair Play for Cuba He seemed particularly antagonistic period of nine years under the grad- Kennedy by doctrinaire, self-con- Committee, as well as the entire story toward me. Other onlookers noticed ual, but merciless assault of words as fessed \Lei-Nest—three years exposed of Oswald's defection with authentic it and mentioned it before I had the weapons—into a political assassin. to communism in Russia—proves quotes, because I knew whom to con- opportunity to ask. Later, at home, I Yet we must understand it, or 'beyond doubt the power of words as tact. In addition we had our own took the precaution of taping all of President Kennedy's death will have weapons. library and clipping file, and a com- the inter- the T\' comentaries about been in vain. The motivation for Unfortunately, the picture of Lee petent staff to hack me up and secure view. Oswald's acts are to be found in Harvey Oswald that is begining to substantiating data. FOOL OR FANATIC? these quotes he gave to a U.P.I. emerge in some quarters does not We had the facilities to make the Was Oswald insane? He appeared correspondent in Moscow in 1959. fully match the firsthand impressions long-distance calls, tape recorders and to be not only scene but an extremely Regarding his first reading of Marx's I gleaned just a few weeks before the a headquarters to listen for hours to articulate and clever proponent of the Das Kapital, he said, "It was like a President's murder. INCA members earlier testimony that Oswald had communist-lining cause of the Fair very religious man opening the Bible in various states and the TRUTH taped for Stuckey, until I knew his Play for Cuba Committee, which he for the first time." Then he started network in Latin America are en- every strong point and weak spot. represented as local Secretary. I can to "study Marxist economic theories," titled to the facts that we have, both And most important, we had free- judge, not merely from our debate, he told the reporters on his trip to from Oswald's own lips and from my dom to act as private citizens to de- from a previous analysis of a 30 Russia. "I could see the impoverish- dy sis of the man. prive Oswald of the mass support he but minute tape recorded interview with ment of the masses before my own I net him at 3:30 on a hot Friday was seeking. Technically he had then reporter Bill Stuckey, which is as yet eyes in my own mother. I thought afternoon in the studios of WOSU commmitted no crime, so no official unpublished. Oswald was a profi- the worker's life could be better. I radio in New Orleans. could touch him. Free societies can't cient propagandist. He used propa- found some Marxist books on dusty permit a Federal Thought Control I was then' to participate in a ganda methods like subject parallel- shelves in the New Orleans library Agency to censor, suppress or dispute panel debate which had been ing, target narrowing and expansion, and continued to indoctrinate myself anyone's views, so officials couldn't arranged by Latin Americ-an affairs and other technical tricks of the pro- for five years." even meet him on the propaganda reporter Bill Stuckey. Moderating pagandist's trade. Moreover he was battlefield. But because there was a THE 'COMMUNIST' QUESTION' the program was WOSU newsman thoroughly familiar with the party private professional organization A second question which has Bill Shutter, and presenting the Cuban line, and gave an excellent account here in New Orleans Oswald was bothered Americans is whether or not viewpoint was exile leader Carlos of himself when asked the standard Bringuier. decisively beaten on the battleground Oswald the admitted Marxist, was questions in the first interview. He subject to Leninist discipline. It IN he had picked—mass media. worthwhile to consider why I did much worse in the debate Discredited, Oswald dropped out Professor Anthony J. Bouscaren was there in the first place. The against a planned, unorthodox attack. of sight, and left New Orleans before says in his hook, "A guide to Anti- answer is, because you, the members An attack which was aimed, not at he did too much damage here. For Communist Action": and friends of INCA, made it pos- the communist line he was trying to this rout every INCA member and "There is no doubt that the com- sible. INCA has spent nearly three sell, but at the seller himself. Com- friend can take a fair share of credit. munist network holds an attraction years, not merely studying, but fight- munists and their sympathizers can Moreover the model we have created for adventurous spirits who thrive on ing communist propaganda at the seldom withstand such an approach, can be copied throughout the hemi- the conspiratorial atmosphere within grass roots level in 16 countries. We which prevents them from abusing sphere. the party, the secret meetings, the re- know from research and experience the press by turning the freedom of sort to aliases, the paraphernalia of what works. what won't. We could Some members have conjectured it into a propaganda platform. But illegality and opposition to consti- predict—because we knew the Red that an INCA branch office in Dallas Oswald tried. tuted authority. Those who tend to line,—what Oswald would say on could have professionally neutralized Of course a good case can be made rebel against tradition and conven- most topics. We knew what to ask [)swald there and perhaps saved the for the fact that communist propa- tion, Bohemians and nonconformists and what to avoid. Within a day we President's life. No one can be sure ganda had converted Oswald into a of all kinds—are naturally attracted had briefcase full of facts and of course. But an INCA branch (OVER) States. The links of guilt are visible liberate the communist colonies, INCA vs. Oswald - - - and obvious. avenge the President's death, and avoid a nuclear conflict in the bar- to the communist movement. By its THE MENTAL BLOCK repudiation of so-called capitalist gain. Yet many Americans hesitate to ethics and moral standards, the party With words, INCA beat Oswald in believe that communism caused the provides a welcome philosophical New Orleans by revealing his defec- death of the President of the United sanction for the lunatic fringe. tion to Russia and forcing his admis- States. This is as understandable as ssion that he was a Marxist. The party is a vehicle for anyone it is dangerous. with an axe to grind, for anyone who It is understandable because the With words over a network of 126 has become embittered. Second-rate average American can imagine no radio stations INCA is beating com- artists, lawyers without clients, doc- appropriate penalty for the murder of munists in 16 Latin American nations. tors without patients, writers without the President other than nuclear war; For instance, INCA has 17 stations outlets, underpaid teachers with in- which however would kill millions of in Venezuela alone, where the iso- feriority complexes—all these are our own people, as well as millions of lated communist minority, lacking soothed by the thought that it is all communist slaves. Since no one wants mass support for their riots, strikes the fault of the capitalist system. to commit national suicide or kill in- and demonstrations have been forced They find, in the party, an instru- nocent people, we are assuming the to resort to terror. And they are ment to vent their spleen against the blame for communist guilt ourselves, being decisively beaten. imagined source of injury, as well as in order to continue to co-exist, and a receptive audience." also maintain some shred of self re- With words, we can demonstrate But in spite of the fact that spect. to the people of each one of the "Officers found letters in Lee Harvey It is a dangerous attitude. If the communist dominated slave nations Oswald's room written to him on communists ever get the idea that how to gradually pry away the grip letterheads of the Communist Party Americans will accept any provoca- of their communist overlords. of America, the party newspaper, the tion, up to and including the assas- We must never forget that the Worker, and the Fair Play for Cube sination of the President of the great power the relatively few com- Committee . . ." (Washington Post, United States, then their audacity will munists have, is in the minds of the Thursday, November 28, 1963, Pg. increase, their power greed will grow masses of people they manipulate. A-41 no formal links with party dis- and our days of liberty will he Sharp, well-directed words can pene- cipline have yet been found. numbered. Therefore in order to maintain our trate to the center of that power, The distinction is a hard one for and carefully cut it out, without en- self respect and also continue our average Americans to comprehend. dangering the whole of humanity in pursuit of world peace we must: The party uses three kinds of parti- nuclear war. cipants in its work. 1—Admit to ourselves that com- munist hate-propaganda killed the 1—The disciplined party member We must always remember that President of the United States by who acts like a social soldier under communist propaganda is aimed at motivating the man that pulled the orders. the U. S. primarily to create hate, trigger. not secure conversions. Therefore a 2—The indoctrinated communist 2—Admit to ourselves that nuclear violent mirror image reaction—he it sympathizer whose contributions warfare is not the most appropriate left or right—must he avoided. We come in the form of money and/or response because it might not reach need not hate communists, rather pity work for the party on a volunteer the minority of communist fanatics them like the criminal lunatics many basis. (who are the real culprits) before are. But we must work to destroy the 3—The dupe, or useful fool, who killing millions of innocent people. communist party organization which works and/or donates to communist 3—Admit to ourselves that words grants maniacs the power to coerce causes without realizing their full im- are the ultimate weapons, because and manipulate sane men. pact. they can move the minds that have Oswald seems to have fitted into the power to pull triggers and press It takes professionals to do this job, the second category. He was filled buttons. land the Oswald incident is an with the standard brand of communist 4—Admit to ourselves that from example of what professional tech- hate. And that hate—conveyed now on private citizens must help niques can do, when applied on the always by words from communists to wage and win the new War of Words mass media battleground. There is their sympathizers—finally moved the at the mass level in the INCA man- where the war of words will be won mind, that actuated the trigger, that ner: and in this way ultimately help or lost. killed the President of the United I HE 1'0ER YoUNG \IF:\ sitting in a radio cersation Carte Blanche.'' Butler was The time: Three months station reception room on a muggy and the logical selection to spearhead the before Kennedy's death windless .August evening in 1963 were debate. The place: WDSU's studio The event: Ed Butler's all perspiring: in sticky summer clothes. As catalyst to the debate. Oswald had confrontation with restlessly num ing in their chairs and run into Carlos Bringuier who headed a future killer . smoking cigarettes. .\II except one. that one of the most active anti-Castro refu- is. who appeared to he as cool :nut re- gee organizations in New Orleans. Os- li-shed as a just-made snowball. He sat wald attempted to break up it meeting relaxed but 1101 s1011(11(11 111 the (hair. Bringuier was staging on Canal Street 111(1 (•X«'1/1 lor his thinning brown and the two had a list light. Police ar- Oswald: hair. looked his 23 Years. He looked rested and hooked both and made them clean-cm and he wasn't smoking. His appear in city night court. Prelude (tear. narrow, parrot-like lace that Later. Bringuier came to INCA head- perched on an almost hull neck was quarters. then at 620 Gravicr Street. dry. :Ind bumped into Bill Stuckey who came to I his Was (1111(1.1V noticed by a 1.11011(1- to talk to Butler about Oswald. 'Huey 111111111 Mall W1111 11 ski-jump nose. par- Roth met t weary ;Ind harried Butler ticularly since the quite-dry sous REPRINTED FROM NEW ORLEANS MAGAZINE JANUARY: NEW ORLEANS 2:3 to talk to Stuckey who had introduced of the Western Hemisphere. So it was ler was questioned by the F. B. 1. con- us. and I mentioned to him that I easy for me to date him by his use of cerning Oswald. Shortly afterwards, lie thought ;1 certain local businessman was words. Instead of using line (as in the remembered, a red-haired young man 'progressi e' in his .tdvertising policies. Party line) he used posture or orictila- who had come to his office two months Oswald immediately broke off his pat- lion. Of course the key word was Marx- before and applied for a job with ter with Bringuier at the world 'progres- ist which lie admitted to being, not a INCA, Kerry Thornley. who had been sive' ;Ind looked at me with his eye- Communist." in the Marines, was living in the French brows deeply arched. When he realized Butler was impressed with Oswald's Quarter, and knew Oswald quite well. I had applied the word in a capitalistic technical ability as a propagandist and After the assassination this same Thorn- sense his glance changed into a smirk his use of technique. "In the debate he ley was to be quoted as saying he was of utter disgust. I felt much better then used most of the tricks of trade: defense going to write a book about Oswald because I knew in the Red Catechism paralleling, a technique that is used to and tell the true story. 'progressix e' always indicated the prole- link and smear by implication (he called In the hours immediately after the trian forces led by the Party, and I had Butler. his organization and the State President was shot. Butler :Ind the used the word in a blasphemous sense. Department. rightist and rightist or- INCA staff churned out news releases "As he was to do several times later ganizations); target narrowing, used about Oswald in order to offset the during the debate he sneered or leered defensively to avoid dangerous or em- "rightist" and "John Bircher" charges at me. but he never laughed or smiled. barrassing side issues (he didn't want flying about. Within forty-eight hours Stuckey and Bringuier noticed lie was to discuss the leaders of his Committee, lie was asked to appear before the Sen- particularly antagonistic to me, flash- the difference between Marxism and ate Internal Security Sub-Committee ing a look of what had to be impersonal Communism, or his trip to Russia) ; sub- with his tapes and files. On the airport hatred. since Oswald knew nothing ject expansion, slogan building, and bus to Washington he heard on the about me or the organization I repre- theme repetition. To put it another radio that Ruby had killed Oswald. "I sented. way, he was in the clean and well-lit got goose pimples and I couldn't get "I felt positive then I was going prison of one idea. He was sharpened the Van de Lubbe case out of my mind." against a dedicated, committed Commu- to one painful point. Only intellectual he said. "He was the Belgian Commu- nist whose entire approach was well-re- amputation—making hint stop thinking nist caught walking out of the burning Itearsed and strictly impersonal. He —could have saved Oswald from his Reichstag and the Nazis used him for showed this in quite subtle ways. For course of action." the showcase trial in 1933 to wipe out example. most people while arguing or By the end of the debate Butler re- the Communist menace. The two cases trying to work out a problem perform called that Oswald had never shown a were almost identical." certain minor actions that are causeless trace of confusion or embarrassment. While in Washington he briefed but commonplace — like whistling, or even when Butler confronted him with Congressman Hale Boggs, who invited cracking their knuckles. snapping their evidence that Oswald had sought to him to be a member of the Warren fingers. or laughing freely and loosely renounce his citizenship. Butler said Commission that had yet to be formed. over a minor mistake or clumsy move. that lie actually tried to turn the dis- \Vhen Butler informed Boggs he was Oswald never once displayed any of closure to Ins benefit, declaring that his not an attorney the matter was dropped. these minor actions." stay in Russia qualified him to repu- Looking back on it, Butler feels that "Kill Kennedy:- Butler interrupted diate charges that the Fair Play Com- the current rehashing of the events. the himself suddenly, slamming his hand on mittee and Cuba were Communistic. wide-spread changes and offering of the desk. "A man like Oswald knew this Butler remembered that after the de- new theories are. in the main. baseless philosophy. The doctrine gave him the bate he wanted to leave the studio im- conjecture and not germane to the reason. the way, and the permission to mediately in order to try and spread question. "The press is and has been kill almost anyone. Me. Kennedy, Dr. the word to all media that night. In posing the wrong question. namely. Ochsner. anyone. I—I, people just don't addition. he was craving to have a 'Did Oswald act alone and was he realize there are still hundreds of Os- Mountain Dew (he consumes two six- ordered to act?' The right question to wands walking the streets today. Why packs of the carbonated citrus drink ask is. 'Why did Oswald do what he did I have tapes on some and have debated daily). Before he could leave. Oswald and was he incited to act?' You will against them. These aren't kooks or came up to him and pulled a black never know what really happened until beatnik intellectuals having a fling . . .'• notebook out of his coat pocket. He the Communist nations are free and He trailed off and was silent for several asked Butler his lull name. the name such information becomes available. moments. Then lie clamped the ever- of his organization and its address. "His believe Oswald was incited to do what present cigarette holder and glowing tone was completely intimidating.- he did because of nearly nine years of Kent between his teeth and continued: Then Butler raced over to WVUE-TV Communist reading and indoctrination. "Oswald obviously had read a lot. He and told news announcer Richard He became a word mechanic. iii ex- talked on a college graduate level but Wright what had occurred in the de- pert in word ordnance widi an arsenal pronounced on a high school level. For bate. Wright put him on the 10 p.m. of word weapons. President Kennedy's example. concise. he pronounced, co-in- news show and Butler told the audience death proved that words are the ulti- cise; superfluous became, .mper-fitc-i- about Oswald. He then returned to his mate weapons. Words can be shot ■ orld faster than any mis- tons; and sphere became. spear. His office. listened back to the tapes of the around the N voice was clear and firm, convincing debate and drank two Mountain Dews. sile. blanketing any country to motivate and almost polished, with no traces of When asked about the debate. Dr. the minds of men. a New Orleans accent. He pronounced Ochsner said. "The results speak for "Oswald had become inflamed with :Vete Orleans like an Easterner. themselves. Oswald dropped out of the Communist idea and lie was mon- He was very up-to-date on the sight immediately after the debate and vated. Why did he pull the trigger anti changes and new phrases being used left New Orleans shortly thereafter. I how was he incited? It could cover a by the Castro- type Communists. Remem- knew at the time he was a real hazard hook." So said the only known propa- ber it was the time when Moscow was but INCA did everything it could to ganda specialist ever to confront Os- talking 'peaceful co-existence' and Cas- expose him nation-wide.'' wald. Edward S. Butler. ass he sipped tro was trumpeting for the re-establish- Though the rest is a matter of history on a Mountain Dew and scanned a re- ment of diplomatic. trade. and tourist there are a number of interesting side- port on Spartacist Party activities in relations with other member countries lights. A few days after the debate But- New 21 t \ : )111..LANs EYEWITNESS SCRIPT THE INFORMATION COUNCIL OF THE AMERICAS (INCA) • P.O. BOX 53371 • NEW ORLEANS, LA. Oswald Self-Portrait in Red © Copyright The Information Council of the Americas (INCA/ 1964 SIZ E MARSHALL PEARCE: DRUM ROLL AND MUSIC INTRODUCTION - The next voice you hear is that of the ac- cused assassin of President John F. Kennedy, 24 ANNOUNCER: year old Lee Harvey Oswald. WDSU Radio presents Conversation Carte Blanche next on cavalcade. LEE HARVEY OSWALD: Yes, I am a Marxist. ANNOUNCER: It's time now for Conversation Carte Blanche. MARSHALL PEARCE: Here is Bill Slatter These words are typical of the dramatic debate BILL SLATTER: which follows. Now to introduce the uncut, un- ,- edited transcription, is the Honorable Hale Boggs Good evening, for the next few minutes Bill Stucke Congressman from New Orleans, House Majority Whip and I, Bill whose program you've probably heard on and a close legislative associate of President Saturday night, "Latin Listening Post", Bill and I John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Congressman Boggs... are going to be talking with three gentlemen, the subject mainly revolving around Cuba. Our guests CONGRESSMAN BOGGS: tonight are Lee Harvey Oswald, who is Secretary You are about to hear an historic recording. of the New Orleans Chapter of The Fair Play for This recording was made in New Orleans last year. Cuba Committee, a New York headquartered organi- It is far more significant today in the light of zation which is generally recognized as the prin- subsequent events. cipal voice of the Castro government in this country. Our second guest is Ed Butler who is It is to the credit of the private citizens Executive Director of the Information Council of of New Orleans that it was they who first recog- the Americas (INCA) which is headquartered in nized the bizarre and incredible activities of New Orleans and specializes in distributing anti- Lee Harvey Oswald and brought him and his activi- communist educational materials throughout Latin ties to the attention of the public. Credit is America, and our third guest is Carlos Bringuier, due to Radio Station WDSU and to newsman Bill Cuban refugee and New Orleans Delegate of the Slatter who moderated this program so alertly; Revolutionary Student Directorate, one of the to Latin American affairs reporter, Bill Stuckey, more active of the anti-Castro refugee organiza- who sought out Oswald and arranged the interview, tions. Bill, if at this time you will briefly and to Cuban refugee leader, Carlos Bringuier background the situation as you know it ... who refuted his blatant pro-Castro propaganda. BILL STUCKEY: And last, but certainly not least, to Ed. Thank you Bill. First, for those who don't know Butler, Executive Vice-President of INCA, the too much about the background of The Fair Play Information Council of the Americas, who develop- for Cuba Committee, this is an organization that ed much new material on Oswald's movements and specializes primarily in distributing literature, activities, not only in New Orleans but elsewhere. based in New York. For the several years in which it has been in existence it has operated Let me say a word about the purposes of INCA principally out of the East and out of the West the organization which Mr. Butler directs. Coast and a few college campuses, recently, how- ever, attempts have been made to organize a I have taken a very personal interest in chapter here in New Orleans. The only member of INCA, as I said, a private organization which or- the group who has revealed himself publicly so iginated in my own Congressional District. On far is 23 year old Lee Harvey Oswald who is the September 17, 1962, I said to my colleagues in Secretary of the local chapter of The Fair Play the Congress that INCA is actively engaged in the for Cuba Committee. He first came to public defeat of the Communist movement through its TRUTH notice several days ago when he was arrested TAPE program - a program which provides scores of and convicted for disturbing the peace. The refugees from Communist tyranny the opportunity ruckus in which he was involved started when and the forum to relate their experiences on tape several local Cuban refugees including Carlos recordings for broadcast by radio stations Bringuier, who is with us tonight, discovered throughout the Americas. him distributing pro-Castro literature on a down- town street. Now, Mr. Oswald and Bringuier are In this worthy counterattack, Mr. Butler with us tonight to give us opposing view on The has been joined by many highly respected private Fair Play for Cuba Committee end its objectives. citizens, led by Dr. Alton Ochsner, president of I believe that I was probably the first New The Information Council of the Americas, and an Orleans reporter to interview Mr. Oswald on his internationally famous surgeon from New Orleans. activities here since he first 'came into public view. Last Saturday in addition to having him I concluded my remarks with the statement on my show we had a very long and rambling that such a program as INCA's is a solid, force- question and answer session over various points ful way to counteract Red propaganda, infiltra- of dogma and line of The Fair Play for Cuba tion, and subversion. Committee and now I'll give you a very brief digest of some of the principal propaganda lines Now the full, unedited transcription of the I use the word propaganda, as rather I should panel discussion which took place on the evening say informational lines, of The Fair Play for of August 21, 1963, inthe city of New Orleans... Cuba Committee. Copyright (C) 1984 by The Information Council of the Americas (INCA). All rights reserved except that permission is granted for reproduc- tion in whole or in part if context is preserved. credit given and two copies are forwarded to INCA International Headquarters at address herebtabove. "OSWALD: SELF- PORTRAIT IN RED" Record Album at $5.00 BILL STUCKEY, contd. CARLOS BRINGUIER, contd. Number One - the principal thing is that they head of the Latin American countries and I can insist that Castro's government today is comple- show you that in Cuba in 1958 every 37 persons tely free and independent, and that it is in no had an automobile and in Russia was 200 persons way controlled by the Soviet Union. Another for 1 auto; in Cuba was 6 persons for 1 radio cardinal point of The Fair Play for Cuba Committee's and in Russia was 20 persons for 1 radio; in propaganda is that Premier Castro is forced to Cuba was 1 television set for 18 persons and in seek aid from the Russians only because the United Russia was 85 persons for 1 television set; and States government refused to offer him financial in Cuba was 1 telephone for every 38 persons aid. and in Russia was 1 telephone for every 580 persons. Cuba was selling the sugar in the Following another line I asked Mr. Oswald if American market and was receiving from the U.S. he had ever, or was, a member of the American more than one hundred million dollars a year Communist Party, and he said that the only organi- over the price of the world market and the U.S. zation to which he belonged was The Fair Play for was paying to Cuba that price in dollars. Right Cuba Committee. Mr. Oswald also gave me this run now, Cuba is selling sugar to Russia. Russia is down on his personal background: He said that he paying to Cuba 80% in junks, machinery, and 20% was a native of New Orleans, had attended Beaure- in dollars. I think that Cuba right now is a gard Junior High School and Warren Eastern High colony of Russia and the people of Cuba who is School. Had entered the U.S. Marine Corps in living in Cuba every day, who is escaping from 1956 and was honorably discharged in 1959. He said Cuba every day, they disagree with you that during our previous interview that he had lived in you are representing the people of Cuba. May- Ft. Worth, Texas before coming here to establish be you will represent the er, the colony of a Fair Play for Cuba chapter several weeks ago. Russia here in this moment, but not the people However, there were a few items apparently that I of Cuba. You cannot take that responsibility. suspect that Mr. Oswald left out in this original interview which was principally where he lived LEE H. OSWALD: after, between 1959 and 1962. We, er, Mr. Butler Well ... in order to give a clear and coincise brought some newspaper clippings to my attention and short answer to each of those, well, let's and I also found some too through an independent see, questions. I would say that the facts source, Washington newspaper clippings to the and figures from a country like effect that Mr. Oswald had attempted to renounce Pakistan or Burma would even reflect more his American citizenship in 1959 and become a light upon Cuba in relation to how many TV Soviet citizen. There was another clipping sets and how many radios and all that, er, dated 1962 saying that Mr. Oswald had returned this, I don't think that is a subject to be from the Soviet Union with his wife and child discussed tonight, er, the Fair Play for Cuba after having lived there for three years. Mr. Committee as the name implies is concerned Oswald are these correct? primarily with Cuban-American relations. LEE HARVEY OSWALD: BILL SLATTER: That is correct. Correct, yes. How many people do you have in your Committee? here in New Orleans? BILL STUCKEY: You did live in Russia for three years? LEE H. OSWALD: Er, I cannot reveal that as Secretary for the LEE H. OSWALD: Fair Play for Cuba Committee. That is correct, and I think those, the fact that I did live for a time in the Soviet Union EDWARD S. BUTLER: gives me excellent qualifications to repudiate Is it a secret society? charges that Cuba and The Fair Play forCuba Committee is communist controlled. LEE H. OSWALD: Er, no, Mr. Butler, it is not. However it is BILL SLATTER: standard operating procedure, er, for a poli- Mr. Bringuier perhaps you would like to dis- tical organization consisting of a er, poli- pute that point. tical minority, er, to safeguard the names and number of its members. CARLOS BRINGUIER: I'd like to know exactly the name of the organi- EDWARD S. BUTLER: zation that you represent here in the city, be- Well, the Republicans are in the minority,I cause I have some confusion, is Fair Play for don't see them hiding their membership. Cuba Committee or Fair Play for Russia Committe? LEE H. OSWALD: LEE H. OSWALD: The Republicans are not a, well, er, the Well, that is very provacative request and I Republicans are an established political don't think requires an answer. party, representing a great many people. They represent no radical point of view, CARLOS BRINGUIER: they do not have a very violent and some- Well, I will tell you why because, before the times emotional opposition, as we do. communists take over Cuba, Cuba was at the EDWARD S. BUTLER: Oh, I see. Well, would you say then that 2 "OSWALD: SELF- PORTRAIT IN RED" Record Album at $5.00 EDWARD S. BUTLER, contd. BILL SLATTER: The Fair Play for Cuba Committee is not a com- Mr. Oswald, if I may break in now a moment, munist front organization? I believe it was mentioned that you at one time asked to renounce your American citizen LEE H. OSWALD: ship and become a Soviet citizen, is that The Senate Subcommittees who have occupied correct? themselves with investigating the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, er, have found that there LEE H. OSWALD: is nothing to connect the two committees. We Well, I don't think that has particular im- have been investigated from several points of port to this discussion. We are discussing view, that is points of view of er, taxes, er, er, Cuban-American relations... allegiance, subversion, and so forth. The findings er, have been as I say er, absolutely BILL SLATTER: zero. Well, I think it has a bearing to this ex- tent Mr. Oswald, you say apparently that EDWARD S. BUTLER: Cuba is not dominated by Russia and yet you Well, I have a, the Senate Hearings before me apparently by your own past actions have and I think what I have in front of me re- shown that you have an affinity for Russia futes precisely every statement that you have and 'perhaps communism, although I don't know just made. For instance, who is the Honorary that you admit that you either are a com- Chairman of The Fair Play forCuba Committee? munist or have been, could you straighten out that point, are you,. or have you been a LEE H. OSWALD: communist? Er, the Honorary Chairman of this Committee, er, the name of that person, er, I certainly LEE H. OSWALD: don't know. Well, I had answered that, er, prior to this program on another radio program... EDWARD S. BUTLER: Well, let me tell you, in case you don't BILL STUCKEY: know about your own organization... Are you a Marxist? LEE H. OSWALD: LEE H. OSWALD: No, I know about it. Yes, I am a Marxist. EDWARD S. BUTLER: EDWARD S. BUTLER: His name is Waldo Frank and I'm quoting What's the difference? from the "New Masses" of September, 1932 in that, the title of his article, "How I LEE H. OSWALD: Came to Communism - A Symposium" by Waldo The difference is primarily the difference Frank - "Where I Stand and How I got between a country like Ghana (sic) Guiana, There" er, now let me ask you a second Jugoslavia, China or Russia. A very, very question, who is the Secretary of the great differences. Differences which we, Fair Play forCuba Committee? the National er, appreciate by giving aid let's say to Secretary? Jugoslavia in the sum of a hundred million or so dollars a year. LEE H. OSWALD: Well, we have a National Director who is EDWARD S. BUTLER: Mr. V. T. Lee who is recently returned That's extraneous, what's the difference? from Cuba and because of the fact that the U.S. goverment has imposed restric- LEE H. OSWALD: tions on travel to Cuba he is now under The, er, er, difference is as I said a indictment for his traveling to Cuba, very great difference, er, many parties, er, this however, it is very convenient many countries are based on Marxism, er, for righist organizations to drag out many countries such as Great Britain display this or that literature purporting to very socialistic er, aspects and character- show a fact which has notbeen establi- istics I might point to the socialized shed in law. I have said that The medicine of Britain. Fair Play for Cuba Committee has de- finitely been investigated, that is very BILL SLATTER: true, but I will also say that the total Gentlemen, I'll have to interrupt, we'll be result of that, er, investigation was back in a moment to continue this kind of zero. That is, The Fair Play for Cuba lively discussion after this message. Committee is not now on the Attorney General's Subversive List, any other MARSHALL PEARCE: material you may have is superfluitous During the next two minutes the public (sic) heard a commercial message and the panelists saying little - shuffled their papers, pre- EDWARD S. BUTLER: paring for the final round of the debate. Oh, it is? 3 "OSWALD: SELF- PORTRAIT IN RED" Record Album at $5.00 MARSHALL PEARCE: DR. ALTON OCHSNER, contd. The only man in the listening audience might be alive today. No one can say for who knew the full story of Oswald's defec- certain. But as you listen to the second tion beforehand was Dr. Alton Ochsner, the part of this record, think about it, and world famous New Orleans surgeon who is decide for yourself. President of INCA. Dr. Ochsner, on a world tour as expert, consultant to the Surgeon General of theAir Force, has himself con- fronted delegates from communist China. He has also seen and heard Red agitators and propagandists at work in Latin America. Here are his firsthand impressions of Lee Harvey Oswald. Dr. Ochsner... DR. ALTON OCHSNER: Thank You. Since I was familiar with Os- wald's background, when I heard him smoothly admit his three year defection to Russia I was not overly surprised. But when he tried to use his admission as a proof that The Fair Play for Cuba Committee was not communist controlled, I knew that Ed Butler was facing the same kind of propaganda "doublethink" that I had heard so many communists and MARSHALL PEARCE: their sympathizers use in my travels all This is the second segment of the "Conversa- over the world. tion Carte Blanche" interview, with Lee Har- vey Oswald on radio station WDSU, in New However, as the interview went on and Orleans, exactly as it was broadcast a few the hardhitting questions and factual evi- weeks before President Kennedy's assassina- dence piled up, I relaxed. Oswald had ob- tion vioulsy met his match. BOOTH ANNOUNCER: It is important to remember that at And now back to Conversation Carte Blanche. that time, Oswald had technically committed Here again Bill Slatter. no crime. Therefore, no official could prevent him from spreading poison on the BILL SLATTER: airwaves. Tonight Bill Stuckey and I are talking with three guests Lee Harvey Oswald, who islocal Nor would any of us, who believe in the secretary of a group called Fair Play for freedom of speech, want a Thought Control Cuba, and with Ed Butler, the Executive Vice Agency to assume such powers. Private President of the Information Council of the citizens must meet the distortion with Americas (INCA), and Carlos Bringuier, a truth. On the other hand, a professional Cuban refugee and obviously anti-Castro. Mr approach, with indisputable facts and a Oswald as you might have imagined is on the planned strategy, is needed if private hot seat tonight and I believe you, Bill citizens are to provide the antidote for Stuckey have a question. propaganda poison. BILL STUCKEY: Because the full facilities of INCA Mr. Oswald I believe you said in reply to a were available - for a change the propaganda question from Mr. Butler that any questions battle was fought evenly. about your background were extraneous to discussion tonight. I disagree because of The results speak for themselves. the fact that you refuse to reveal any of Oswald dropped out of sight immediately the other members of your organization so after the debate, and left New Orleans you are the face of The Fair Play for Cuba shortly thereafter. According to published Committee in New Orleans. Therefore, any- reports he went to Mexico where he visited body who might be interested in this organi- the Communist embassies of Russia and Cuba. zation ought to know more about you. For Then he took up residence in an apartment this reason I'm curious to know just how in a Dallas suburb under the alias 0. H. you supported yourself during the three Lee, where several letters from the same years that you lived in the Soviet Union. man written on the stationery of both the Did you have a government subsidsy? Communist Party U.S.A. and The Fair Play for Cuba Committee, were reportedly found. LEE H. OSWALD: Er, well, as I er, well, I will answer that Many who have heard this record have question directly then, since you will not expressed the belief that if an INCA branch rest until you get your answer, er, I office had existed in Dallas, Oswald would worked in Russia, er, I was, er under the again have been exposed, and the President protection er, that_is .to say, I was not 4 "OSWALD: SELF- PORTRAIT IN RED" Record Album at $5.00 LEE H. OSWALD, contd. LEE H. OSWALD: contd, under the protection of the American govern- the Foreign Ministry, I presume, er, no, I ment, but that I was at all times, er, con- was never in that, place, although I know sidered an American citizen. I did not Moscow having lived there. lose my American citizenship. BILL SLATTER: BILL SLATTER: Excuse me. Let me interrupt here. I think Did you say that you wanted to at one point Mr. Oswald is right to this extent, we though? What happened? should get around to the organization which he is the head of in New Orleans, the Fair LEE H. OSWALD: Play forCuba. Well, it's a long drawn out situation, er, with permission to live in the Soviet Union LEE H. OSWALD: granted to a foreign resident is rarely The Fair Play for Cuba Committee. given, er, this calls for a certain amount of technicality, technical papers and so BILL SLATTER: forth, er, at no time as I say was I er, did As a practical matter Mr. Oswald, knowing as I renounce my citizenship or at no time was I'm sure you do the sentiment in America I out of contact with the American Embassy. against Cuba, we, of course, severed diplo- matic relations sometime ago, I would say EDWARD S. BUTLER: that Castro is as about as unpopular as any Excuse me, may I interrupt just one second. body in the world in this country. As a Either one of these two statements is wrong practical matter, what do you hope to gain The Washington Evening Star of Oct. 31, 1959 for your work? How do you hope to bring page 1, reported that Lee Harvey Oswald, a about what you call "Fair Play for Cuba"? former Marine, of 4936 Collingwood St., Ft. Knowing that sentiment? Worth, Texas, had turned in his passport at the American Embassy in Moscow on that same LEE H. OSWALD: date and it said that he had applied for The principals of The Fair Play for Cuba Soviet citizenship. Now, it seems to me consist of restoration of diplomatic trade that you've renounced your American citizen and tourist relations with Cuba, that is one ship it you've turned in your passport. of our main points, er, we are for that, I disagree that this situation regarding Am- LEE H. OSWALD" erican-Cuban relations is very unpopular, we Well, the very obvious answer to that is are in a minority surely, er, we are not that I am back in the United States. A particularly interested in what Cuban exiles person who renounces his citizenship be- or rightists er, er, members of righist or- comes disqualified for returning to the U.S. ganizations have to say, we are primarily interested in the attitude of the U. S. EDWARD S. BUTLER: government toward Cuba. And in that way we Right, and Soviet authorities - this is are striving to get the United States to from the Washington Post & Times Herald adopt measures which would be more friendly of November 16, 1959 - Soviet authorities toward the Cuban people and the new Cuban have refused to grant it although they had regime in that country. We are not at all informed him he could live in Russia as a communist controlled, regardless of the Resident Alien. What did you do in the 2 fact that I have the experience of living weeks from Oct. 31st to Nov. 16th, 1959? in Russia, regardless of the fact that we have been investigated, er, regardless of LEE H. OSWALD: any of those facts, er, The Fair Play for As I have already stated, of course this Cuba Committee is an independent organiza- whole conversation and we don't have too tion much time left, is getting away from the not affliated with any other organiza- our aims and our ideals are very Cuban-American problem, however, I am quite tion, clear, and in the best keeping with Ameri- willing to discuss myself for the remainder can traditions of democracy. of this program, as I stated it is very difficult for a resident, for a foreigner CARLOS BRINGUIER: to get permission to reside in the Soviet Do you agree with Fidel Castro when in his Union. During those two weeks and during last speech of July 26th of this year he the dates you mentioned I was, of course,er qualify President John Fitzgerald Kennedy er, with the knowledge of the American Em- of the United States as a ruffian and a bassy getting this permission. thief? Do you agree with Mr. Castro? EDWARD S. BUTLER LEE H. OSWALD: Were you ever at a building at 11 Kuznyet- I would not agree with that,.er particular skaya Street in Moscow? wording. However, I and the er, Fair Play for Cuba Committee does think that the Uni- LEE H. OSWALD: ted States government through certain Kuznyetskoya? Kuznyetskoya is the er, well agencies, mainly the State Department and that would be, well, that would probably be the C.I.A. have made monumental mistakes in 5 "OSWALD: SELF- PORTRAIT IN RED" Record Album at $5.00 LEE H. OSWALD: contd. MARSHALL PEARCE: its relations with Cuba. Mistakes which assassination of President Kennedy on Novem- are pushing Cuba into the sphere of acti- ber 22, 1963, and the subsequent murder of vities of let's say a very dogmatic coun- Lee Harvey Oswald before a television audi- try such as China is. ence of millions. BILL SLATTER: Now for an impression in depth of Os- Mr. Oswald, would you agree that when Castro wald, we turn to one of the panelists on first took power, er, would you agree that that fateful evenine - Edward Butler, Execu- the United States was very friendly with tive Vice-President of INCA. Mr. Butler a Castro, that the people of this country had specialist in communist propaganda activities nothing but admiration for him, that, er, and how to overcome them, has interviewed that they were very glad to see Batista scores of refugees from communist takeovers thrown out? during the past several years. In 1960 he conceived, and now manages INCA, and its LEE H. OSWALD: TRUTH TAPES program. TRUTH TAPES are half- I would say that the activities of the Uni- hour and fifteen minute tape recordings ted States government in regards to Batista featuring eyewitness refugee testimony about were a manifestation of, not so much support communist takeover tactics, sent to a net- for Fidel Castro, but rather a withdrawal work of over 120 local radio stations in 16 of support from Batista, in other words, we nations of Latin America. stopped arms to Batista, what we should have done was to take those armaments, and drop The author of several articles on them into the Sierra Maestra where Fidel this vital subject, Mr. Butler has appeared Castro could have used them, as for public as a witness before the House Foreign Af- sentiment at that time, I think even at that fairs Subcommittee on International Organi- even before the revolution there were rumb- zations and Movements to outline ways to win lings of official comment and so forth from the war of words and avoid nuclear conflict. government officials, er, against Fidel He was the only known propaganda specialist Castro. ever to confront Oswald. Mr. Butler ... EDWARD S. BUTLER: EDWARD S. BUTLER: You've never been to Cuba, of course, but While sketching the portrait of Oswald for why are the people in Cuba starving today? the jacket of this record, I sorted through a mental inventory of scores of memories of LEE H. OSWALD: Oswald, his expressions, statements, reac- Well, in any country, er, emerging from a tions, and gestures. semi-colonial state and embarking upon re- forms which require a diversification of Although our only confrontation was the agriculture, er, you are going to have evening of the debate, I knew a good deal shortages, after all 80% of imports into the about Oswald before the encounter. I had United States, er, from Cuba were two listened for hours to a long, tape-recorded products, er, tobacco and sugar. Nowadays, interview with Oswald by Bill Stuckey; I had er, while the er, Cuba is er, reducing its questioned Bringuier and other refugees who product as far as sugar cane goes it is knew him; I had read the anti-American, pro- striving to grow unlimited and unheard of Castro propaganda Oswald was distributing for Cuba, quantities of certain vegetables; on behalf of The Fair Play for Cuba Committee sweet potatoes, lima beans, cotton and so and of course, I had data about his defection forth, so that they can become agricul- to Russia. turally independent ... We finally met in the reception room at BILL SLATTER: the WDSU studio; Bringuier introduced us. Gentlemen, I'm going to have to interrupt, Oswald seemed outwardly self-confident, but our time is almost up. We've had three his hand was clammy when I shook it. guests tonight on Conversation Carte Blanche: Bill Stuckey and I have been talk- I sat down opposite him, about three ing to Lee Harvey Oswald, Secretary of the feet away. New Orleans Chapter of The Fair Play for Cuba Committee, Ed Butler, Executive Dir- Stuckey came in, and after a somewhat ector of The InforMation Council of the stiff 'hello' all around, he and I began Americas (INCA), and Carlos Bringuier, to chat, while Oswald and Bringuier began Cuban refugee. Thank you very much and to argue. good evening. When Oswald spoke, he sounded like a DRUMS man with a piano roll in his. head, grind- ing out the same tired Red propaganda MARSHALL PEARCE: tunes that I have heard so often in my The end of the interview foreshadowed a work. tragic series of events climaxed by the 6 "OSWALD: SELF- PORTRAIT IN RED" Record Album at $5.00 EDWARD S. BUTLER, contd. EDWARD S. BUTLER, contd. It was then that I happened to mention to target - a propaganda technique used defensively Stuckey that a certain local businessman was to avoid dangerous or embarrasing side-issues, "progressive" in his advertising policies. offensively to sharpen the point of an attack - On the first syllable of the word 'progres- when he said: sive', Oswald abruptly broke off his discussion with Bringuier and looked at me, slightly LEE H. OSWALD: startled. But by the time I had finished the "....This,..I don't think this is a subject to sentence, Oswald realized that I was applying be discussed tonight...The Fair Play for Cuba the term 'progressive' to capitalism, and his Committee, as the name implies, is concerned glance changed into a smirk of utter disgust. primarily with Cuban-American relations!" To those of us who have to delve into the EDWARD S. BUTLER: murky jargon of Marxism-Leninism, Oswald's re- And again when he said... action was no surprise. In the Red catechism, the term 'progressive' always indicated the LEE H. OSWALD: 'proletarian' forces led by the Party; to apply "I don't think that has particular import to it to capitalism is blasphemy. this discussion. We are discussing Cuban-Am- erican relations." I will never forget Oswald's look of loath- ing. I was to see it several times more during EDWARD S. BUTLER: the vening, since everyone noticed that he was And, finally when he dismissed the investiga- particularly antagonistic towards me. I tried tive resources of the Congress of the United to capture that black look on the jacket sketch. States with the statement: It had to be a look of impersonal hatred, since Oswald knew nothing about me, or the organiza- LEE H. OSWALD: tion which I represented. But more about that "...The Fair Play for Cuba Committee is not now in a moment. on the Attorney General's Subversive List. Any other material you may have is superflus."(sic) I listened closely as Oswald and Bringuier resumed their dispute, and was impressed by EDWARD S. BUTLER: Oswald's technical competence as a propagandist. Thus Oswald was trying to narrow my range to Let me illustrate with a few examples from the courtroom evidence, while presumably reserving debate you've just heard. the broad field of opinion unto himself. Subject paralleling is a standard propa- Which brings up another interesting point: ganda technique. On defense, the propagandist uses it to turn an attack backward upon his op- Oswald also knew how to expand his subject ponent. a method used, defensively, to blur and confuse the issues so that there is nothing but haze to Oswald's attempt to use his visit to Russia attack. On offense, expansion is used to make as a proof that the Fair Play for Cuba Committee blanket comparisons or charges covering many is not communist controlled, is an example of individuals, groups or nations. defense paralleling. You heard Oswald defensively expanding ir answer to my embarrasing question about the On defense, paralleling is used to link and smear by implication. Oswald did this three difference between Marxism and Communism. In times when he labeled me a 'righist' and INCA a just a few sentences he spanned the globe from 'righist organization'. As a matter of fact he Africa to Europe, then tried to bring in Am- didn't even know the name of my organization erican Foreign Aid and alliance policies to when he pulled the parallels, because he asked prove his point. for that information and wrote it down in a notebook, when the debate was over. LEE H. OSWALD: "The difference is primarily the difference be- For the record, INCA's membership and tween a country like Ghana, Guiana (sic), Jugo- Board includes Liberals and Conservatives, slavia, China or Russia. A very, very great Democrats and Republicans, scattered all over differences. Differences which we, er, appre- the nation, all bound in their opposition to ciate by giving aid let's say to Jugoslavia in communist tyranny by a single common ideal - the sum of a hundred million or so dollars a Liberty Under Law. year." Oswald knew many other tricks of the trade EDWARD S. BUTLER: target narrowing and subject expansion, slogan I was narrowing on the attack when I refused to building, theme repetition and so on. be confused and interrupted him with "That's extraneous, what's the difference?" Here are some examples from the debate: LEE H. OSWALD: You heard Oswald twice try to narrow his "The, er, difference is as I said a very great difference, er, many parties, many countries are based on Marxism, er, many countries such 7 "OSWALD: SELF- PORTRAIT IN RED" LEE H. OSWALD: EDWARD S. BUTLER, contd. as Great Britain display very socialistic, er, Propaganda made Oswald the man he was. aspects and characteristics. I might point to Communist propaganda inflamed the mind of the the socialized medicine of Britain." man, who - evidence indicates - pulled the trigger, to fire the bullet, that killed the EDWARD S. BUTLER: President of the United States. Oswald also used the familiar Big Lie techni- que, made famous by Goebbels, but originated For instance, I have in my hand a car- by Lenin and perfected by his successors when toon from an official Cuban publication called he said: "Verde Oliva" showing President Kennedy wear- ing a Nazi Swastika armband, and giving dir- LEE H. OSWALD: ections to a Cuban Refugee leader pictured as "The Senate Subcommittees who have occupied a worm. themselves with investigating the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, have found that there is noth- We know, because Oswald admitted it open- ing to connect the two committees." ly, because he recited communist doctrine like scripture, and because people saw him in the EDWARD S. BUTLER: act, that he had been steadily absorbing this To anyone who has read the detailed Congress- mental poison for years. ional Hearings on The Fair Play for Cuba Com- mittee, Oswald's distortion is obvious, and I Until we counteract the vast bulk of hate urge every American to get these revealing docu- propaganda which pours forth both from offici- ments and decide for yourself. al communist publications and their echoes here at home like The Fair Play for Cuba Committee, I suppose many mature Americans find it no elected official, no free institution, no hard to take seriously the Marxist theory of a private citizen's life, liberty or property world split into two warring classes, never will be safe. changing except by revolution, never progres- sing except by hatred and conflict - but Oswald But the situation is far from hopeless. took it religiously. Communism can attract only the thinnest Similarly, many Americans can't conceive minority anywhere. For every embittered Oswald of anyone idolizing a brutal dictator like in America, or Castro in Cuba, there are thou- Castro, who has left a trail of blood, false- sands of young men all over the world who can hood, and misery ever since he participated in be trained to meet, compete with, and defeat his first political assassination, in Bogota, them on the mass media battleground. in 1948 - but Oswald certainly idolized him. What is needed are professionals -- or What mystifies Americans most is how an more accurately a practical means of subsidiz- American boy, could come to accept such a phil- ing the efforts of private propaganda profes- osophy, and to worship such a man. Oswald him- sionals for freedom. I emphasize the word self iave us a vital clue when he said he was 'private' because every Red revolutionary from introduced to communism by a pamphlet sympathe- Lenin, to Castro, to Oswald, has worked as a tic to the Rosenberg Atom Spies. Later, read- private citizen until after a successful revo- ing Marx's "Das Capital" he said he felt, lution. Here at the private level, using words "...like a religious man opening the Bible for as weapons, is where most major battles will the first time." The answer, of course, is be won or lost. that communist propaganda, in gradual doses, conditions the immature mind to glorify vio- And here is where nearly every American lence. can help. Only a few will have the inclina- tion, opportunity, and training to wage and It teaches impersonal hatred of whole win the war of words now going on. But all classes of humanity. Many communist books, can, and must, --- back the attack. pamphlets, broadcasts or films are an open invitation to revolutionary terrorism. In buying this "Oswald:Self-Portrait in Red" you have taken the first step, because President Kennedy's death has proved that revenue from this record is helping INCA to words - which can be shot around the world combat communism at the private level, profes- faster than any missile - words are the ulti- sionally, throughout the Americas. mate weapon. What makes these new word weapons so powerful is that they can reach I for one, will never forget these liv- into the midst of any country, manipulate ing words, which no assassin's bullet can its own people, and invisibly motivate the ever silence: minds of men who have the power to press buttons and pull triggers. As a professional PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY: who handles word weapons every day, in my "And so my fellow Americans, ask not what opinion the most frightening statement known your country can do for you; ask what you can to man is the bland phrase, "It's just propa- do for your country." ganda!" ORDER NOW ! 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