For more informaon, contact: Xan Aranda / [email protected] / (773) 290‐9623 www.MilkingTheRhino.org A ferocious kill on the Serenge... warnings about endangered species… These clichés of nature documentaries disregard a key part of the landscape: villagers just off‐camera who navigate the dangers and costs of living with wildlife.

Africa is emerging from a history of “white man conservaon” that displaced indigenous people, banned subsistence hunng, and fueled resentment. Now, a revoluon in grass‐roots wildlife conservaon is turning poachers into protectors. But change doesn’t come easy.

With memorable characters and spectacular locaons, tells joyful, penetrang and heartbreaking stories from Kenya and Namibia – revealing the high stakes obstacles facing Community Conservaon today.

DIRECTED & PRODUCED BY DAVID E. SIMPSON Co‐Producers: Jeannie R. Magill and Rehad Desai Execuve Producer: From , the makers of and other award‐winning documentaries.

CONTACT Xan Aranda [email protected] Telephone: (773) 290‐9623 LENGTH 85 minutes FORMAT High Definion COMPLETED June, 2008 www.MilkingTheRhino.org

MILKING THE RHINO is a co‐producon of David E. Simpson, Kartemquin Films, and the Independent Television Service (ITVS), with funding provided by the Corporaon for Public Broadcasng (CPB). Himba women herding cale, Marienfluss Valley, Namibia (Photo: Jason Longo)

View the trailer at hp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6vWkQTlNLs

A selecon of press, cast, crew, and producon images may be viewed at hp://www.flickr.com/photos/milkingtherhino/sets

For more informaon and hi‐res images, contact: Xan Aranda / [email protected] / (773) 290‐9623

MILKING THE RHINO is a co‐producon of David E. Simpson, Kartemquin Films, and the Independent Television Service (ITVS), with funding provided by the Corporaon For Public Broadcasng (CPB).

Major funding for MILKING THE RHINO was provided by The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundaon. www.MilkingTheRhino.org Director’s Statement

I like wild animals as much as the next person, but what drew me to MILKING THE RHINO was the people. I wanted to tell the story of conservaon from the African perspecve — something that I, for one, had never seen. Africa is the world’s conservaon laboratory. But like most Westerners I was ignorant of the dark side of Africa's conservaon history: that it furthered the tourism‐agendas of colonial governments while displacing and alienang indigenous people. In post‐colonial mes, conservaon has been turned on its head by a growing consensus that the world’s remaining wildlife is doomed unless local people are given a say and a stake in preserving it. My goal in MILKING THE RHINO was to explore the nuances and complexies of this new people‐centered approach. I’m capvated by the noon of a community undergoing rapid, radical change. The Himba and Maasai are among the oldest cale cultures on earth; herding is in their DNA. So for the Il Ngwesi community to retool their economy and lifestyle to favor eco‐tourism and conservaon – at the expense of grass and space for cale – is like removing a rib. I’m fascinated by the connuing debate within the community, and by the collision of ancient ways with Western expectaons. My hope is that this film will cause audiences to revise their images of Africa and Africans. Most Westerners see Africa through a haze of reportage about wars, AIDS, poverty, corrupon. Rural Africa in parcular is viewed as backwards and/or romancally pure. By weaving stories of complex, mul‐ faceted characters, MILKING THE RHINO breaks with stereotype to paint rural Africans as akina sisi – “people like us.” ‐ David E. Simpson July, 2008

PHOTO: David E. Simpson (left front) with James Ole Kinyaga (right front) at Il Ngwesi Lodge, Kenya

For more informaon, contact: Xan Aranda / [email protected] / (773) 290‐9623 www.MilkingTheRhino.org Crew

David E. Simpson has craed award‐winning films for twenty‐five years. As a producer, director and editor he plies his trade in the belief that a well‐told story can move viewers’ hearts and minds regarding crucial, human issues.

David co‐produced and directed WHEN BILLY BROKE HIS HEAD, a documentary about disability culture that won the Sundance Film Fesval’s “Freedom of Expression Award,” along with major prizes at dozens of other fesvals. He recently co‐produced and edited FORGIVING DR. MENGELE, David E. Simpson about an Auschwitz survivor’s controversial campaign of Producer/Director/Writer/Editor forgiveness, which won the 2006 Slamdance Grand Jury Prize for documentaries. David directed , about a generaon of mothers who raised ausc children under the shadow of professionally‐MOTHERS promoted mother‐blame. The film won top honors at the Florida, Indiana, and Sedona film fesvals and aired on the PBS series P.O.V. David produced and directed Halsted Street, USA, a mul‐award‐winning snapshot of America through the prism of one mul‐cultural street. His experimental narrave, Dante’s Dream, a re‐working of Dante’s cosmology, earned five 1st‐Place fesval awards.

When not producing‐direcng his own work, David edits long‐form documentaries. His credits include Kartemquin Films’ recent release TERRA INCOGNITA: MAPPING STEM CELL RESEARCH, which aired on PBS’ Independent Lens; the PBS/Kartemquin series ; the Emmy‐nominated NOVA: MYSTERIOUS CRASH OF FLIGHT 201; Frontline/Marian Marzynski’s SHTETL (grand prix, Cinema du Real); Kartemquin Films’ and VIETNAM LONG TIME COMING; and an episode of THE PEOPLE’S CENTURY for BBC/PBS.

Jeannie R. Magill owned and operated Westwind Safaris and Tours, a safari company specializing in educaonal safaris to Kenya. She was a Vising Scholar with the Program of African Studies, Northwestern University; and she served as a consultant to the renovaon of the African wing of Chicago’s Field Museum of Natural History. She has chaired panel discussions for the African Trade Associaon Congress, presented numerous educaonal talks, and published many arcles for travel trade newspapers and magazines. She recently moved to Santa Fe, New Mexico. Jeannie R. Magill Originator/Co-Producer

For more informaon, contact: Xan Aranda / [email protected] / (773) 290‐9623 www.MilkingTheRhino.org Crew, continued Rehad Desai has a history degree from the University of Zimbabwe and a postgraduate degree in TV and film producing. In 1996 he entered the TV and film industry as a director and producer, where he has focused much of his energy on historical and socio‐polical producons. His 2004 documentary BORN INTO STRUGGLE, about his relaonship with his father – a leader in the South African liberaon movement – won numerous awards, including the Cape Town World Cinema Fesval. Rehad is presently the South African Rehad Desai, Co-Producer board member for SACOD, a regional filmmakers organizaon, and is convener for the United Producers Iniave in South Africa.

Jason Longo graduated from Ithaca College in 1994 with a BFA in Film, Photography & the Visual Arts. Jason’s camerawork has been showcased on the PBS programs Frontline, The American Experience, and NOVA, as well as on The Discovery Channel, The History Channel, TLC, and The Naonal Geographic Channel. Recent works include RAISING CAIN, a 2‐hour PBS special examining the emoonal lives of adolescent boys, and PATRIOTS DAY, a film about the lives of revoluonary war re‐enactors in Boston. Currently, Jason is co‐producing and photographing Jason Longo, Camera STANDARDS OF DECENCY, a film following a mentally retarded man on Mississippi’s death row.

Nave Chicagoan Richard Pooler brings to his work twenty years experience in locaon and documentary sound recording. His credits include Bob Hercules’ DID THEY BUY IT? (1990), the Frontline series COUNTRY BOYS (2006), and Steve James’ REEL PARADISE. Richard is preparing for a producon trip to Nepal, where he will record sound for a documentary about the treatment of uterine prolapse among remote populaons. Richard K. Pooler Location Sound Recording

President and founding member of Kartemquin Films, Gordon Quinn has been making documentaries for over 40 years. Roger Ebert called Kartemquin’s first film (1966) “an extraordinarily moving documentary.” Gordon has created a legacy that is an inspiraon for young filmmakers and Kartemquin is a home where they can make films that invesgate and crique society. Kartemquin’s best‐known film, HOOP DREAMS (1994) was Gordon Quinn execuve produced by Gordon. Recent works include STEVIE Executive Producer (2003), for which Gordon, the film’s Execuve Producer and Cinematographer, won the Cinematography fwhich Gordon, who was the film’s execuve producer, producer Award at the Sundance Film Fesval, FIVE GIRLS (2001), REFRIGERATOR MOTHERS (2002), and VIETNAM LONG TIME COMING (1999). Broadcast on NBC, the film and cine won a Naonal Emmy and Director’s Guild of America’s award for Best Documentary. Gordon execuve produced THE NEW AMERICANS (2004) and directed the Palesnian segment of this award winning seven‐hour PBS series, and recently produced GOLUB, LATE WORKS ARE THE CATASTROPHES (2005).

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Kartemquin Films & Independent Lens present

MILKING THE RHINO A film by David E. Simpson

Directed, Produced, Wrien, and Edited by David E. Simpson

Originator & Co‐Producer Jeannie R. Magill

Execuve Producer Gordon Quinn

Photographed by Jason Longo

Locaon Sound Recording Richard K. Pooler

Original Music Mark Bandy

Narrator Munyikombo Bukusi

Co‐Producer Rehad Desai

Associate Producer Xan Aranda

Associate Editor Liz Kaar

Eding Consultant Gordon Quinn

Technical Supervision Jim Morrissee

Addional Music Joel Diamond

Addional Camera/Sound David E. Simpson Addional Eding Kartemquin Interns Aaron Wickenden Mary Adekoya Dorian Anderson Archival Research Michael Carney Carolyn Faber Michael Chandler Shana East Locaon Guides/Fixers Ryan Gilbert Boas Hambo Bryce Goodman Etosha Karutjaiua Elliot Greenberger Nancy Kireu Susan Hanrahan Kirsten Johnson Translaon Amadi Jordan‐Walker Silas Kimerei Brendan Kirwin Manfred Tjitjo Jessi Knowles Gerson Kapi Danielle Krudy John Kasaona Ma Lauterbach Kimberly Eggert Ahnna Lee Todd Lillethun Narraon Recording Charle Lucke Experimental Sound Studio Meghan McGillen Lou Malozzi – Engineer Fouzia Najar Aziza Ngozi‐Walker Audio Mix Nick Nummerdor Mark Bandy Kevin O'Dowd Chad Owen Digital Color Correcon Neal Patel Nolo Digital Film, LLC Jackie Robinson Mike Matusek –Colorist Dinesh Sabu Boris Seagraves – Engineer Tom Salek Joe Flanagan ‐ Producer Brian Schodorf Rich Simpson Tape Capture & Conversions Beckie Stocche Global Video, LLC Ivana Stolkiner Kae Weber Title & Graphics Ma Wimer Dizzy Giant, LLC Ellen Wohlberg Dan Sharkey Ma Sharkey Addional Transcripon Dorothee Royal‐Hedinger Online Eding Ashley Barnes Media Process Group Jennifer Brandel Steve Hullfish – Editor John Kostka Carol Martori Producon Support Staff Jennie Gambach Archival Footage Jusne Nagan Budget Films Zak Piper Fred MacDonald Archive Joanna Rudnick Library of Congress Naonal Geographic Bookkeeping Smithsonian Instuon Yvonne Afable South African Naonal Film & Video Archive Pam Diaz WPA Music “Etono” “Samburu” Performed by Tradional Arsts and Mark Performed by Bomas of Kenya Bandy Courtesy of ARC Music Producons Courtesy of Tamasha Corporaon Limited Internaonal Ltd. “Ndingo” “Litungu (Bukusu)” Performed by Tradional Arsts Performed by Tradional Arsts Courtesy of Buda Musique Courtesy of Tamasha Corporaon Limited “Yamala” “Nya – Ndalo‐Manyieny” Performed by Yunasi Performed by Bomas of Kenya Courtesy of Yunasi Courtesy of ARC Music Producons Internaonal Ltd. “Windhoek” Wrien & Performed by Mark Bandy “Il Ngwesi Lodge” Courtesy of Mark Bandy Wrien & Performed by Mark Bandy Courtesy of Mark Bandy “Growth of Conservancies” Wrien & Performed by Mark Bandy “Changing Culture” Courtesy of Mark Bandy Wrien & Performed by Mark Bandy Featuring Michael Levin “100‐Year Lease” Courtesy of Mark Bandy Wrien & Performed by Otuma Ole Kuraru Courtesy of Otuma Ole Kuraru “Kimanga Cha Manga” Performed by Bomas of Kenya “Herdsman” Courtesy of ARC Music Producons Wrien & Performed by Kalahari Surfers Internaonal Ltd. Courtesy of Warrick Sony

“Chant Himba” “Aounga” Performed by Tradional Arsts Performed by Tradional Arsts Courtesy of Buda Musique Courtesy of Buda Musique

“Himba” Thank You Composed & Performed by Joel Diamond Diane Billing Courtesy of Joel Diamond Jerry Blumenthal Elizabeth Chadri “Omoramba” Ian Craig Performed by Tradional Arsts Helen Gichohi, PhD Courtesy of Buda Musique Peter Gilbert Emily Hart “Conflict” Jeff Heilizer Wrien & Performed by Mark Bandy Robert Hitchcock, PhD Featuring Michael Levin on flute Beth Iams Courtesy of Mark Bandy Kaburu Ikunyua Il Ngwesi Group Ranch “Myth of Wild Africa” Margaret Jacobsohn, PhD Featuring Michael Levin Steve James Wrien & Performed by Mark Bandy John Kasaona Courtesy of Mark Bandy James Ole Kinyaga The Ian Korleski Family Lewa Safari Camp Lindberg Safaris Hector Magome, PhD Lamson Makuleke Livingston Makuleke Marienfluss Conservancy Stuart Marks, PhD Daniel Miller Charles Mwi Karen No Ben Roman Leslie Simmer Garth Owen‐Smith The Sancho Soeiro Family Ines, Jasha & Leon Sommer‐Simpson Clive Stockill Aaron Wickenden Wilderness Safaris R. Michael Wright

Development Assistance Julie F. Simpson

Funding provided by: The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundaon Naonal Endowment for the Arts Illinois Arts Council

And others. A complete list is available from PBS.

Execuve Producer for ITVS Sally Jo Fifer Milking the Rhino is a co‐producon of David E. Simpson, Kartemquin Educaonal Films and the Independent Television Service (ITVS), with funding provided by the Corporaon for Public Broadcasng (CPB).

This program was produced by Kartemquin Educaonal Films, which is solely responsible for its content www.MilkingTheRhino.org

© 2008 Kartemquin Educaonal Films All Rights Reserved.

(End of Credits) Background on Community-Based Conservation

The empty spaces of a naonal park are an arfact in Africa. A naonal park speaks of people no longer able to coexist with animals — of reservaons for Nave Americans in the United States and Bantustans in South Africa. What is truly at stake is the loss of our ability to coexist among ourselves, much less with other species. With the disappearance of Maasai, Bushman and Pygmy tradions, and the establishment of parks, we have made space for nature but lost the inmacy of living with it. When you have lived among people who live with nature, it is hard to accept that coexistence is dead.

‐ David Western, conservaonist and author

When colonial governments in Africa wanted to create protected areas to house Africa’s immense diversity of flora and fauna, they looked to America for their model. Yellowstone Naonal Park, created in 1872, ushered in a preservaonist paradigm that erected fences between wildlife and humans. Like Yellowstone, the creaon of Africa’s parks and preserves involved the forced removal of thousands of indigenous people whose coexistence with wildlife was deemed untenable. This strategy ignored the fact that many of the people evicted had been living in ecological balance with wild animals for millennia. But it appealed to African administrators who, like their western counterparts, were paral to the “myth of a wild Africa,” one where animals exist in splendid isolaon from human interference.

While enshrining wildlife in protected areas, most Tweneth Century African governments banned subsistence hunng by indigenous people, making safari hunng a socially exclusive acvity. But animals refuse to stay within park boundaries. 70% of Africa’s wildlife lives outside contained areas. As human development spreads, so do conflicts. Elephants and buffalo destroy crops; antelope compete with cale for scarce grazing resources; predators aack humans and livestock, devastang communies. Suffering losses to life and livelihood, but unable to legally hunt, many rural Africans came to view wildlife resenully as “the White Man’s property.” By the laer half of the 20th century, spurred by the growing independence of many African naons, conservaon had become charged with polical conflict. Poaching and social upheaval threatened the future of wild animals even in protected areas.

In the past three decades, a new brand of thinking ‐‐ based on the idea that people who live amongst wildlife are oen ideally suited to be its protectors ‐‐ has turned conservaon upside down. Known variously as CBC (Community‐based Conservaon), CBNRM (Community‐based Natural Resource Management), CBWM (Community‐based Wildlife Management), etc. ‐‐ the various strands all share a common set of goals: to grant communies sustainable use of natural resources from which they previously had been barred, invest local people with conservaon decision‐making powers, and recognize communies’ historical rights of tenure to resources and land. In programs supported by government and private sector funding, community‐run eco‐ lodges and cultural tourism turn wildlife into an asset for remote communies. Sustainable‐use hunng quotas can bolster the community’s meat intake or be auconed off to trophy‐hunng safari operators. Community game‐guard programs, established to monitor and protect wildlife, provide employment and ulize animal‐tracking skills innate to the community for generaons. In these and other ways, ranchers, farmers and pastoralists are finding new reasons to preserve protected areas and conserve wildlife and other natural resources on their own lands.

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Yet CBC faces formidable crics and obstacles. Tradional preservaonists and some animal rights advocates challenge the noon of “sustainable ulizaon” of wildlife, and warn that endangered species will suffer. Governments and developers balk at ceding land rights to pastoral people. Academics and funders queson whether CBC is living up to its hype: do the benefits really trickle down to the average household? How has wildlife fared? What are the realies on the ground?

The transfer of authority over conservaon to local people is a process fraught with difficules. It will not happen quickly or easily. The mixed track record of community‐conservaon to date provides a cauonary tale. However, few serious conservaonists advocate returning to the orthodox “fences and fines” approach that bred resentment between communies and the very idea of conservaon. Most people working in the field agree that while community‐based conservaon faces daunng obstacles, it must be made to work.

Background on CBC, pg. 2 of 2 Interview with David E. Simpson By Betsy Cass, Kartemquin Films Summer Intern The original interview may be found at hp://kartemquin.com/newsleer/2008/08/milking‐the‐rhino‐interview

Where did the seed, the original idea, for Milking the Rhino come from?

The idea for the film came to me from my co‐producer, Jeannie McGill, who has a background in educaon safaris in Kenya. I think she had taken a class in environmental ethics and became aware of trends in Kenya toward community‐based conservaon and decided that more people in our Western world needed to know what was going on in community conservaon. When she found me I couldn’t disagree. It just struck me as a terrific idea for a film, because people in the northern hemisphere are largely unaware of what conservaon means nowadays. They’re basically thinking of a twenty year out of date model, somemes known as the fortress model, which means you erect fences around reserves. Most of the conservaon world is now of the consensus that for wildlife to survive and to do well in a meaningful way, there has to be some stake in its survival. There has to be some stake for people, rural people, who live amongst them.

Were there any special preparaons you went through in making this film, especially pre‐producon aspects?

Yeah, it was prey challenging to get ready for the shoots, because 90% of the filming was done at really remote locaons, parcularly in Namibia, where we were off the typical safari path, up in areas that aren’t easily accessed. You have to drive three days from the capital city to get where these communies are and electricity is rare. You have baeries to charge; you have to find means of transportaon. We had to find camping gear. There were stretches where we didn’t have a bed to sleep in, so we had to be prey self‐ sufficient. Between that and the somemes tricky visa and filming permit securing processes, in Namibia in parcular, there was a lot of pre‐producon.

Did you have a guide when you were there? Who was responsible for organizing that aspect of it?

I was responsible for organizing it, but with huge help from Jeannie and our associate producer Xan Aranda. Early on we made a good contact with one NGO that’s parally featured in the Namibian story. They’re called IRDNC. They’re a grassroots, on the ground, field NGO, so they loaned us one of their field people and one of their vehicles and then we had our vehicle as well. They could guide us up to where we needed to go and make introducons to people. Usually the person from this organizaon had business up there, so they weren’t only guides; they became characters. Our main character in Namibia, John, was a field officer for this NGO and is now the assistant director of the place. His work became part of the story.

The film has been discussed as “the other side” of a nature documentary, but a lot of the process of shoong actually looked like it was a lile bit similar. Have you ever done anything like that before?

No, I’d never done any nature or wildlife photography. There are some days when we would focus on wildlife, parcularly in Kenya. Out of the 50 shoong days there were probably 3 days that were just dedicated to shoong wildlife. But we weren’t quite equipped the way that Planet Earth is. We had a truck and a tripod and a great cameraman. But for me it was always the people who were the focus. It was the way the cultures were undergoing vast, radical transformaon because of this new potenal in the wildlife economy. That’s what was fascinang to me.

I guess this is fairly unusual for documentary, but when you’re watching the film, you can really feel the presence of the crew. Was that a conscious decision? ( Interview connues next page ) Interview, continued That’s a tough queson. I would say that we had no deliberate intenon to make ourselves part of the story, nor do I ever want to propagate the myth that this is life captured objecvely, because there’s no such thing. I think that you can, to some extent, always sense the crew’s and the director’s relaonship to their subject in the way that the subject is interacng: how much they’re willing to open up, how they interact with the camera, how they address the camera or the person standing next to it.

There is some tension in the film, both racial and cultural tension. I was wondering how you built the relaonship with your subjects and made it clear you weren’t exploing them.

I think that the relaonship is founded, first of all, on the fact that we were with people from an NGO that were well trusted. You can’t find a place on earth, hardly, where film crews haven’t been. And if they’re extremely remote places, film crews are that much more aracted to them. So you will oen find that people in remote places have already had negave experiences with the media or with film crews. We find ourselves having to repair the damage. I hope it also has to do with the fact that they can sense that we’re genuinely interested in telling their story from their perspecve, which is always the rock boom goal of the film: to tell what community conservaon feels like from the rural African perspecve instead of the white conservaon perspecve, which is the view of every other conservaon film I’ve ever seen. I think that people really did sense that we respected and were interested in their experience.

The film ends on a hopeful note, with rain (aer a long drought), but it doesn’t really give much of a sense of closure. Did you feel a sense of uncertainty when you were filming about the future of either your subjects or that sort of grassroots conservaon?

Very much so. The rain is a momentarily upbeat note, but it certainly isn’t meant to imply that everything’s going to be all peachy keen from here on out. There are a lot quesons about whether those two places (portrayed in the film) will work. So, it’s by no means sure that this is a formula that can be prescribed successfully. But what we did feel in terms of a sense of hopefulness, was that there were some really, really commied people, like our two main characters, John and James, who are passionate and commied and smart and are going to try and make things work for these communies in our film. There are, by extension, a lot of other places, commied individuals and commied grassroots NGOs that really want to make this work for the right reasons. But there are a lot of obstacles. In fact, one irony in the Kenya story is that early in the film somebody says, well, “What if we get a drought of tourism like happened aer 9/11, when the tourism dried up? Then we’re really pung all our eggs in one basket.” And it was their own polical unrest in Kenya that brought about a horrible drought of tourism, just earlier last year. Tourism just completely dried up in all of the mainstream safari circuits and also for a place like il Ngwesi. They suffered prey badly, so they are vulnerable to that. But that’s what makes it a great story to me. These people are taking a gamble collecvely, as a community. Gambling may be the wrong word because it implies a certain irresponsibility. They’re making a sort of calculated wager and they’re doing it in a prey sophiscated manner.

The world premiere is going to be Johannesburg?

Yeah. It’s premiering at this very excing film fesval (the TriConnental Film Fesval). It’s actually premiering in four different cies. It’s going from Jo‐burg to Cape Town to Pretoria to Durban. We’ll also, when we’re in South Africa, be meeng with some potenal partners to distribute the film throughout Southern Africa at the community level, doing mobile screenings and get it distributed educaonally and more grassroots.

And finally, what are you working on next?

I’m sll trying to recuperate from this. In some ways finishing the film is the beginning of the next phase.

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