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at theabove time Shcalled from the Chicagofield assigned specially to e curr t investigation at Springfield, Illinois, stated he had beenassigned specific leads to cover at Chicago, Illinois. In connectionwith covering those leads,qe1'erredto thelocal files 92 investigationof the92~Hational Labor Relationsconductedby an investigator Board at Chicago connection namedgst line withA in an l9l,l regarding labor conditions there, that is, at Spring ie cl, Illinois. '§-_ It will be recalled that Kine A was immediately adjacent to line B, which is the mine concerned in instant investigation. >- In view of the fact that there was some indication that the trouble at Mine A was intimately tied in with the trouble st Mine B, the samehas beenembraced -ii by the investigative purview in this matter. Shmstated whenthat checkingat theheadquarters the 13th ofRegion of at Chicago he contacted llr. George Bott, Regional Director, rho io advised him that there was a cas in the Uhicago office of NLRB identified G; ss #13-C-1665entitled "CarlH./g.shoff mdlrogressiveMine Workers of America,23, 191.1, oyDistrict The Number "1. in whichalleged thecomplaint violationwas wasfiled Section s onSeptember and of5! ,q_~ . the NLRB Regulations. -. -» D The complainwas withdrawnon December22, 191,1,et the requestof the 6 . complainant, However, in the meantime, investigationwas 41 conducted atSpringfield, llinois, in connectionwith the matter andSA I. feels thatundoubtedly results theof the investigationbe willvegq - - . _9 92 - _ vpertinent uld be instantcompletely to covered investigation frombeingall a.ngles,_ coritggxxgyit is the believedBureau. that F.-_ ,._ 92- ch In Viewof theAttorney G¬nera.l'sinterest1 BI-Qwrmmin this matteneanc,inaeznu I BUT contentsof the file shouldbe madeavailable forezmmization.

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1-~--' - r w . Ielaoa / JOHN I'DGAI HOOVER ' . I. A. ~1aunn__ ,0. /- "'rm&c1'on J . Ola u__.g.___ ' ' '. lobe:-El In:-rsu of Investigation . Oeer s -" . G1 aria Initrb listen Erpsrtmmi of Justin . Lad . m Qeehineten, Q, Q, it. ..lsoeen______Ir. Tree? September 8, 191.3 Ilr. Acara ' Ir. Carson -I---In- Ir. Barbe EEIEOYKMWIBLFQF T"E_l2IB§§'l'°E llr. Heuden Ir. llumIel'd__,___ F RE: JOHN L.OIE.'E'I5, rr 11. Ir. 8tarke______51¢, C77_ §1l£eFI@-*TP5,,A!91LP°1T?5TI¢ if Ir. Quinn 'l'anu'n__ 'Tale. Room ' Ir. Neale Ls you lcnon, investigation is presently being conductedMiss Beahm in accordance with the desires oi the Attorney General into Rial Gandy______,. charges that John L. Lewis and certain other officers of the United Mine-Workers of America and Carl H. Elshoti, owner of liine BCoIl"_"""" Company, Springfield, Illinois, conspired during the years 193'? to 1941 in violation of the Civil Rights Statutes to injure and oppress Elshofa employees in the free exercise oi the rights secured to them by the Rational Lebor Relations Act. It is alleged that Lewis paid the sum of $225,000 to I-Ilsho from the years 193'? to 191.1 with the intent to induce Elshoft to impose unfair labor practices upon his employees, who were at that time members of the rival union, the Progressive Mine Workers of lmerica.

.+.- 5 IIWESTICATIOIJ AND INTERVIEWS nrrn unnzns ,5- : -'4 if The 1'», thisSpringfield Office has now submitted a report in excess of 500 'r',".pages in matter, and in-eestigstion is being sigorculy pursuedin order - ., that the matter may be completed by September 25, 1943, inasmuch asthe De- partment has indicated it would like to present this case to e granny ury j'..r inthe firs tpa rt oi October , 1943 -- -_ -_ The report submitted by the Springfield Office indicates. that .541-¢.... proximately 150 men who were members oi the Progressive line orloers oi America in 193'? at line B, Springfield, Illinois, have been interviewed. Signed statements have been secured from each individual interviewed. L review of these signed statements indicates that 20 in gave no information oi value. In these cases either the individual actually did not know anything oi value to this case or refused to divulge any information. Forty- -J nine of the miners interviewed were cooperative with Bureau Agents; however, "f they gave information of little value, being vague and hesitant in their 92- comments. It should also be noted that e number of these individuals were unable to speak, read or write English, and therefore possessed little in-

2-'-1 this Bureau. The remaining 79 men interviewed gave information that could ,C.,.on, be considered very favorable to the Government's case and all might

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-2- I 4 7 In general, the above mentioned '79 individuals advised that the Progressive Kine Workers oi America was formed at line B, Springfield, Illinois, in 1932 due to the fact that Lewis attempted to impose a lower wage scale on the miners. In general, all of these individuals agreed that conditions were rather quiet and employee-employer relations good at mm B until shortly berm Nay of 193?. Lt this time 1t was discovered that a number of menaers of the Prog-essive line Workers at line B were actually spies for the United lline Iorksrs Union and were on the Lstter's pay roll. Many or the miners interviewed will be able to testiIy.thst they attended a pit grievance committee meeting at line B on the evening oi Hay ll, 1937, at which time five alleged spies were expelled from the Progressive Mine Norkers Union. Thereafter, the Union insisted that Elshoff fire these five expelled individuals, and when Elsho and the line officials refused to discharge these individuals, a strike was called on lay 12, 193?. Host of the '79 individuals mentioned above will testify that they were at that time and still are in favor oi the Progressive Mine lorloers Union; however, site: May or l93'.? it appeared that Elshofi was denitely in raver of i the United Mine Iorkers Union and would not cooperate in any way in attempting to get the Mine back into operation. A number of the mn stated that Elshoff received money from John L. Lewis in order to pay the expense oi FIE; the liine during the time it was closed down; however, few oi the miners 5. .. have anything but hearsay evidence in this regard.

I I INTEEWIE=!S REGARDING PURCHASE OF NINE L BY ELSHOFF IN 1941 FOR THE UNITED NINE TIDRKERS OFALEEIRICL 92. T: *"= In the fall of 1941, Carl H. Elehoff, owner of Mine B,purchased line A, which adjoins line B, from Mr. Iilliam H. Ryan for the sun of i. $60,000 paid in cash. It was alleged that this moneywas supplied directly ii by the United Kine Workers of America and that Elshofi was merely acting 1. as s. front in order that the UNI? might take over Mine A, which was controlled .11, by the Progressive Mine Workers Union. Hr. lfilliam H. Ryan, upon interview, w tended to substantiate the above allegation and stated that prior to the consum- -D nation of the sale or Mine L, it became apparent that Elshoff was merely acting an I. stunt so/r uuli L. LeI'i'1ii.

In this connection, Hr. Robert C. Solomon, rresident oi the Panther -» Creek Coal Hines, Springfield, Illinois, stated that in the early part of 1942, ~. Elshoff attempted to purchase the Panther Creek Hines for $400,000 cash. Ir. Solomon stated that although the deal fell through, it was a matter oi common .9-_ knowledge that Elshoff had no money of his qlm and would be financed by the "'3 URN of America. D it is of interest to note that Ryan stated that early in 1937, Ray Edmundson, s subj ect in this case and President oi the URI Incal in Springfield, approached him with e proposition to freeze the Progressive Mine Ilorkers Union out oi Mine L. llr. Ewan advised he turned this proposition down flatly. , r5* *""""' ____ _.___._ __-._..e.A - -~- _.,._e-4-~- -.--v--¢~ -~------4;: rah ~~':::-er;_~:,i.e-an-. ~_*~ -~'~ --

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A number of the o £1iciele of the Progreeeive lne Iorkere of lmerica have been interviewed, end, of course, they gave evidence and w'-w-.w--_-l+.n+4emQn+.l In-r-v-_.-1 flvnrlb'lQ-_--- --_-F --to 1'_._hg Qgqe_rp;me1_1t.'ggee Ilttfg

The Springeld Office hoe recently edvieed that three individuals interviewed have requested copies oi eigned etetemente which they gave to Agents oi this Bureau. In View oi the tact that these individuals were witnesses and not eubjecte, the Springfield Office declined to comply vrith their request; however, the question has been referred to the Depart- ment with a requeet for advice as to the procedure to be followed in the future in the event edditionel requeete of e eimiler nature ere received A __ -4Li__ n_JJ___|4-__'92_ J_J..__J___.92 _ I-rom DEBUT 1|-'lC1lTl.UuB-I-U .ll'Il|B.{'VJ>UIULle '

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ii. iiieieii Ir. Rona 4-/I Ir. Tree; Re: John L.'1su1e et al Ir. Cereoe______Ge!!e; 1 Violence Ir. Reade: Ir. Ila: Irene:Beahm Ir. in IeGulreGandy Lt this time SAC Hallford called and balked to Lgent | mgr office regarding the above captioned matter. He stated that Ir. He:-be ._. Ir. Quinn Tam.m___ , r-,. I ghts handling this case have cond11ctedAov_erp10Q_ig1t_ervie_ws,with liner; Tele. 11;-Boom Q Z?- eoi*.;e..'i.'T*h57~;;- _=5e the etetehentelwhede lgy them, ha3'e_been fayorlble to the __.-E.- ' I Ir. Neale £_i9Yerr_1_meH_$I3, 1-h=°H' of _ 7 the _ case r _ " that ie -l in ___ general, _ although thereh*ave'been a few miners who are members o1"the Uni"Fed"lI"1e workers of America who have not been of s favorable nature.

4 Ir. Hallford requested advice regarding certain eczhihite requested by him last week around August 23rd such as membership cards in comection with the 5* voting by the Progressive line Workers Union manbere and the nembere ot the UII at the time of the first and second elections which were held. I pointed out to him that i letter er-as on its way to hie. explaining that the eeehberehip cards ere not available due to the procedure in voting which is secret and also pointed out the fact that petitions filed by any of the miners with the National Labor Re- lations Board would not be actually made a part of the records of the NIRB and therefore were not available. t Ilr. Hallford pointed out there were certain things which Ir. Coleman, the Departmental Attorney handling this case, had indicated would not have to be done, although he had originally requested the periorvnanii of the same and Ir Eallford requested advice":-egarding this angle. pointed cut * that he should forward a letter to the Bureau eettgg out these items so

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and a letter forwarded to the Bureau describing this situation in order that it nay be taken up with the Department and also in order that the investigation nay proceed as Inoothly and efficiently as possible. a Ir. Hallford also raised the point that he had been advised W llr. Coleman vrhile Hr. Coleman was in Springfield, Illinois, that the Bureau's investigation and other evidence de- bl ahpa $5!!! u sug=e6ted trial tn-ief forwarded to the Sprin- field Office and which had been received Iran the Department it outlined a re- quesrt for itanization of the payments to Carl Elehofi amounting in toto to J $225, 000. Again, it was indicated to Hr. Hallford that he shonld include things such as this in a letter to the Bureau in order that the situation may be immediately called to the attention of the Department for clarification and written -J :5 confirmation of the oral advice furnished by Ir. Coleman. n SAC Hallford stated that the suggested investigations received from the J Department and forwarded to the Springfield Office by the Bureau are being con- '3 Age11tsider b him as suggestionsi.ndicated and noton as instructions, concurrencepartthe thewith of Bureau. whichIhis viewpoint donewas be- 92 cause . c eman, who i apparently handling this matter in the Department, has §..; indicated an extreme interest in the case to the point of advancing theories 3'- which have no basi in facts available regarding the instant case. Ir. Coleman 4.s understands that he is offering these points merely as suggestions and that, of course, the matter is being left to the Bureau's discretion as to the exact method of investigation. e

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This, course, was not as a settled fact inasmuch as written advice has not yet been . received from the Department. In responseto theinquiry of SAC Hallfordstatedwas he pressing the matter in order that no de ay no ensue in the handling of this p3,_j!p¬v'J"" ,,3 A-no [¢J¢,. Q ¢ n E $-

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~' I am informed from a reliable source that for some years M _92 the has U.Ii.'.'.'. usingbeenbrothers, two_p_o_ssibl organization, withsubje Le-g;1.s_'__1q;g1gLqg5e, as gunmen' in connection ' ' with terroristic eoti vi J. s of the unions I do not have the address of these individuals, but it is slid that they line end operate in southern Illinois. The sugges- $5 ' tionis that these men may L:-ossibly be used to intimidate and Q influence witnesses inoonnection withthis currentinvestigv F ti on. I leave to your judgment the question of whether these mn should be put under surveillance. Your Field Office will .-1-_ _'r . 92$ be in the best position to know whether any destructive efforts are being mde and what measuresare best to combat them- I am also similarly informedthat M U.I!..'|'., o 15 no a orner , e use as s. 1p omatfor the organization in - J'.. :.-'- 1 connectionthis with case. Should discover you thatp C 5.! activities are touchingease thisat any poin , ,¥ km y advise me at ones. =-...-E you of August 30, 1943, numbered 8 I. concerns in who is l ,»f some - ;;'-av'~r -WQ .1-

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b ,7 U R2: Jbhn L. Llii It ll in II.Barbequgu 1-.mm__ Civil Rights and 1-,1,_ Mm Domestic Violence ",._ Nu" '"""'""' . lies §nlu::______at this time 13'. Frank Colman called Iran the Depertmengln Gd,""""f relative to this matter ard stated that the Attorney General was 1e'z1rI""'-"'""'*i'"' ing on Tuesday next 1' or Mexico for n two weeks vacation. llr. Coleman was interested in knowing whether we would have a summary oi the prer- liminary investigation developed by Tuesday because Hr. Coleman feels that the Attorney General would like to take with him some sort oi e pict1=_re as to what the preliminary investigation has developed. It was pointed out to Hr. Coleman by Emu took the call that there was a distinct possibility, as he h pre ously been ed- vised, that the initial report in this matter might reach the Bureau by Tuesday or Wednesday oi next week and that every effort would be made, of course, to try end have e summary available for the Attorney General before he leaves on Tuesday. Hr. Coleman stated that under no circumstances, however, did he want to hamper our interfere with the investigation and in the event there was any possibility of such occurring he -was sure that the Attorney General would not want the matter rushed just to have the preliminary infomation available. - ACTION: Attached is s suggested teletype to Springfield, instructing that F the report which SAC Hallford stated would be prepared by Saturday of this week, September 1;, should be prepared without fail and submitted, to reach .f.-. the Bureau by Monday, special delivery. These were the plans of SAC Hall- rerd prior to the receipt oi t-us GQ-Le However, in order that the report will be nailed Saturday, it is deemed advisable to teletype Br. Hellford . P: since he was given leeway to hold on for e few days if he thought it advis- . ~,.4. 3 Ibh o - Rs ape ctfully, _ A s .4?! :_§.!§: # £1 l B V Fe :09 Eli fa 7 mr § 3:39 an ==e.=.a's 4 £9 - -W vi /'a a§EP211945

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hr the intonotton of the luroou tho following lnvootigotiou to roqueoted of the Pittsburgh Hell Dioiom ' Par the lntornooa of the Pittoturgh Hold Division 1-bio oooo mot reoeivo the moot oxpedltlouo attention. In dew at the ottrno coer- P gonoy ull otpditlone aohlro of thlo i.nvootl.got:I.on, end 11' this P1016 911- .v~ ioion :l.o to neot o ood lino oot by tho Bu-eon, o report or the roeulto of thin lnvootigotion not be in the hondo of tho lpringolt Nnriolon by lep- tbir =3 1-,, 4,. E" For the Lnfoziotion of the Pittoburgh H.011! Pioion, tin Deport- .3-8- nent hoe requested o hall oad loto investigation into the ohorgoo of if: JOHI L. LIHB, P1-eoidont or %_;_l§_g;'_'no_t1olIl1.Un1bo¢ _IlLno,.Iorko_;-g_9_£,1!_!;o5;_,_oo_,_ I Anorioo m0m1mmsoo,ILLIIR Proiidmt J oiiotrlottll rotary- reomrer Imago!,otrtot United 12 Is.» CARL1%» I or owner oi lino '8' Cool Compaq, o oool nine in Iprtngolz, Illinoio, 0801i 5r_n_;g_g1;, lnperintenlont owl lllao '8", to hoe oozupiroi during tho yeoro 1951' through 1941 ll violation of leotlon 51, Title 10, BIO, to injure old opp:-ooo l.8IDI'!"o nployooo in the tree omeroloo or the rlghto ooour to um by the Iotionol um» Relottono m. to :~ t _ it -u °'Wo.» _A According to intonation olroody oeouroi thoégn of $22 ,0O0.¬I3 woo poi! in the gone 195'! to 1941 by ofololl of the ited lino lorkoro or 55!:-ioo to CARL H. H.833?! with the lntont to inuoe ELSHQH to inpoeo un- iv >;51r lobar prootigoo up-on Mo nployooo, who at that the were nuboro of the ---um. j_ npoootfo or_kero~q£"l|oerigo., o. rill union. If it an bo p-own tht I533?! on! the officials o1 UIII oonepirod to deprive nonboro of the P1-ogroolivo 1 lino Yorker: of lnorioo of their rlghto, on ooourod by 3eoti.on 7 of tho lotion- F7 1 ol labor lolotiono Ant, there oon wuloubtodly be oetoblioho-G o. violation of .~. J Beotton 81, nu. 1a, vac. _ _ A, CARL H. H.880?! to boon to hero hold numerous pnjtjé/ *" H cm Rtrothrrn & mnsxran /7. EL -COPIES nnswnowmn . /3" ~ SIAIII n41;]§n '11 1952» L7 2:2--I . ;v- _-_- - - ~---mm. - 7? __:*- -£;i'% -_ __-_-- - - - - -aim: __ V-1%" ' "'--_-__ 5- ,,. .. 4- '- ' O

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95 enter-teined leviehly et the Ion-ieen Intel in Ghieego, Illinois, in:-leg the p1-10¢ from 10:1 through 1911. The Iorrieon mm: 1| else than ee an mar hotel m ¢m=e;=, end ie the hotel Ihere m munmsol ltopl Ihn in Chicege. Ia connection with thie inveetigeticn it heounee inportent to develap every detail of the reletionehip between ll! IJIUDBOI, Preeidnt have 0! the United line Ierkere orgenieeticn in Illinail, en! OLE» I. lli, P:-eeident end operetor of the line '3' Cod ¢mpuq, 3p:-ingfielol, Illlnoiee 1:? c/1* = her 1. O, .. I05 hm Welt Weaker .1» Dr mwe, eegu, inaiefhe =@_,_.;L e1iei:l§iet -g_..¢»,-. 477DI of the United lteel Worker! of heriee, G10, l500 oulenreelth . 11 flitteburgg, Pemeylnaie, In et one er tea of H.8EZl'I"e an ah pertiel ma u the Icrrieon ma. eooe1-dingmu1¢¢u- *5 Pa 17 heerd H.880?! leeve lnetruetione e rrieea Hotel, I the her et thet hntel to the effect thet DIUIDBOI wee to hve anything he vented et 1"" the hotel, end Hut it ehould be elnrged to I.81iDH"e eecounte It ie requested mm interriered 1» eloertein ihethq- or not he can eubetentiete the e ru one left by IJHOFI Iith the Iorrieel e Hotel. Qhould eleo be interviewed ter my other lnforeetioe he my heve come 5 e reletlonehip between GLBL I. H8331? end 1' HJIIIDBG 1*» or mm J. mus, or Joni L. mm. In the event thet nu to u-nieh eny pertinent infaneetion in eonneetien with thie ee r, or euhlter ii tiete the ellegetioe, en ettaupt ehmd he lede to eeoure e ligned etetdit ,, 1 . , Q i 1'1-ca him. This etetueeut ehauld include, of eouree, ell elrcumetenoee, ete : eui pleee at the ineteaee or inetenoee of ehieh he any heve knowledge;

In Tier of the neture of thii interview, it in believed thet tn Agente ehould he preent during the interview. For your iatornetion the Bur- eeu be inetructell me only experienced end well quelified gnu be ee- eigned to this inveetigetiol..

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line oopiee 01' reportthie ehoull be u-niebed to ue In:-em and tour ta thie eftleee Springfield 1e the Office of Qrigiu I spin Iieh to kip-as: =32: fa: the £=p:'te.methis =2 £:v=:%1;-.31"-a, =21 the fset Q;-.2 1% 1| tape:-ltlre that these leede be eovered immediately. In ejdltien, 1t_I.e the lure-ea'edesire tint you give thie utter 3-unr personal attention- r_.-. Ter; truly yours,

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-u. Your nsnoremhns at Septsusbsr B, 194$, in s-egerl ..- to request tar copies or ligned ststensnts given by three U indiviciueis inf-er1'1ewe& by your Bpringfieid offioe, ill been discussed by IP:-enk Coleman of this Division with your Special Agent in Charge et Springfield.

7-P. the Bureau: refuse}. to grant the request tor '.."" oopies of the signed statements has sq epprovel. H'- -5 Hoover eclrlses that no further efforts to obtain copies {Q of signed stetements heme es yet been suede. I1 any ~¢_ £e1.:'*;l.-.e.=r requests are reeeiveé. la this elaaeetia, I V -*1 . wish you would advise me immediately. the policy in respect thereto mast be determined in coco:-deuce eiih the eiremetsneee of eeeh pertionler cele-

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9-?- wCE| Latter 9-8-£3,2 from Springfield to Bureau dated , DETAILS | @ " LT SAN FRJQCISCO, _C:A.I.-IF!_QRlLI_l: .'/37; _.-,..aa- I .I, . -E1 . 92 r on September a, 194:. span-1 Lgent §"'~ Q and the _v|rit-er interviewed l92.R'1'IH IIAGNER Rational bor Relation: .;¢-1» A I ] 92 Board Regional Director, at his office, 1095 llerket Street. Ir ILGNER advised that he had not arrived at the I133 office in Ghicago which office cover: Springfield, Illinois, until April 28, 1941 Io had ~ l previously worked for the NLRB in Heat Virginia, and he nu classied - vi an Iii a field"if examiner --1-~17 on his ilk vi-§arrival in T Chicago. F lie atated that he ever " i Ar 1* 59 ¬ A-_92pr<~-,-er} 1:5-2'-I-:1-:13-5my 9 of poc " .1- 'e. i f r?"A j oonnr . - ll 92'-1 }-J {£1-if Z49-1 .5.-U l A x 15 ¬ in . -92"_-,a;_gg. ~._.-,_< _n@_¢,_ _ _-____.. _l . 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I'n§_qplsod;.'bycg:-essivsWorkers. nine the Shortlyafter 'BHlOFl1"s92 |_..,;.§ r-;'f*' -N, ' acquisition, thenited lline Uorkers held smeeting thein Elk's' Hall'"-' "»-' 1li:~"~.<3i ~ s. st Springfield,Illinois, in which s majorityof theemployees the ofV, . __T+¬:-'r;{l!:. mine,Hall,which alsosigned "authorisations" constituteda majority thethat of United thoselinepresent Workers shouldatthe Illjs be _7 V their bargainingagent. h - 4 .- _- _.T H ' uA_ 3 '1-_ _ ' _ ' » .".,.-__~. - .' Following thisthe ProgressiveKine Workersfiled t V - charge withthe HLRBalleging that'ELS'Ei0FF failed tobargain had *-5- =4; with themand hadasisted the United MineWorkers takingin over I I-. line "A". Hr. ?:.nGIIEiRstated thathe conducted s thorough examination " , ' .2. 3 L of this matter andhad beenunable todevelop anyindication of - , '92 _ . .,-__*1 . collusion between' EIBHOFFand theUnited lineWorkers. Hedid. esta- 2. blish that when theliino A re-openedwider ELSHOFF, the Unitedline Workers hads clear majority ofthe employeesworking inthe mineat P' that time,which majority was representedby validly sigicd signature -_ cards. . .. . 4 __ _ 92__, _ -_ , - s L -*""}T*}*-£i;~ W21 -- - .1. IAGRERfurther statedduring that invostation his " this matterrumors wereprevalent inSpringfield that05 AIIIETTI '_ ."*_ E was inreality anemployee JOHN of LEWIS.L. HAGUEwas unabletof_~,."ef"-:- -_*;.=1.f-.*a- -F develop concreteany evidenceof this; y ' ' _ '_ --.92" I - * 17 f. _ - a_ _-I. 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I gr FEDERAL BI:lREAU OF INVESTIGATION Ibrm No. 1 Tl-us Gas: ORIGIHATID A1 is ~ so e*"17 rmnzrentgettxnqls m'f>- 4+-rr II-our *5 Y can-s vmcn me: I Pinion son amour uni! or " vu Ag; I or-|92 1 .. -.._._ I I Wan * lI§D_I_.kHA2"0LIS, ______z1my;;..§|_?=" r ___7_ii*7 12 H431 9/9,10/4:5W 7 77 6! Incrnorq .. * §%&}TFDS0N W%LTlH J ¢%AME5 J01-H» 0ffici%5eL. LEVIS. of the Ugiten I-I line , orkerg g1,§nerics;_ . , I CIVIL RIGHTS LED DOMESTIC r~ WIT . _J owner ofIging_1§14§nring§iel& I _ fl i YIOEHCI Illinois. svnor-ms or rA<:'r~s= Jehi I P1-RY Field Ereniner for Rational Labor Relations 3oerd,'lhice¬o: }§B§'tngu@z of 1940 to Jenuary or February of 1941, interviewed. GLAHK investiget ed notition for contempt nroceedinge filed by PE" es well as charges that I UL" had violated F.L.H.a. and subsequently UKW petition I for certification. .n detailed report and work papers in I 'regard to union membership at hine BE " " wer e submitted to Chicago Office of B.L.R.B. CLARK stated that he was __;: unable to secure evidence that CARL E. ELSHOFF, owner of Line "B" Coal iompany would not bergein with Etfin good .-J although both manor! and oscn=I9r.¢cm:1, Superintendent Of Line B evenly ernressed islike for PK" end stated an trot it wee imnoeeible to deal with the organization es J it failed to adhere to contracts. CLARK stated that he ... wee suecicious of some of the men hired who were members ; of UK? after Line "3" reoeened in 1939, but that in general I FALCIETI could Justify the employment of each men. In one gage en individual gave up well paying employment as . e mine inenector to work es e miner and ehortly thereafter e change in work gave him access to the entire mine. Tio~ _-'¬ lenoe and coercion particineted in about eoually by both + unions. and according to CLARK, ELSFOFF and I£LG!TTI, l did not enerove. There were logical reasons why eeme Pk? I members shifted to UMW. Be! IEEIETDSOF, President of I District 12, UHF, cooperated in turning over his records and furnishing witnesses to CLARK. $8 -m_

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Indole. File 44l? earn-anrct: Letter dated Sentember e, 1943, from the Sraringfield Yield Division to the Bureau. DETAILS: JOHN C.£CLh3K wee interviewed at the Indieneoolin Field Divieio office on September 9 _ that hi

F In regard to his emnloyment with the Hetional Labor Beletionl Boerd, CLARK advised that from hpril of 1938 until November of 1939 be i wee stationed at Indianapblil, and from Foveber of 1939 to Hey of 1940 at Les angeles, California, and from hey of 1940 to April of 1941 at I .- > . Chicago, Illinois. Thereafter he was Director for the Rational Labor Relations Beard et lndianenclie until April 10, 1943, et which time the Indianeoolie office wee closed. ihe v _, v CLhHK stated that from July or august of 1940 to January or Feb- an ruery of 1941, as Field Examiner for the National Labor Relations Board at EH Chicago, he are actively interested in the Line B controversy at Spring- =33. field, Illinois, end inveetigted proceedings filed to th:tPr__qg1__lge_ei1_r__e__1_~L_i__:_:_e_ :=~ grgere, as well es charges thet the United nine Yorkeri uu violated aeo- tione'o£ the Retionel Labor Relations Act. Subsequently, GLnEK investigated a UHF petition for certification. 1" .-9 By way of background, CLARK eteted that CARL E. ELSHOFF, owner of nine "5" at Springfield, Illinoie, in Fovember of 1939 notified FEW that he intended to open line "3", after it had been closed for e period of eoororimately two and e half yearn because of lebor difficulties. SL435 eteted thet the BMW nee enrioue to get in the mine and agreed to go .-CR I __:,, r to work before e contract uea signed. 3? way of explanation, CLARK stated -a."1, -*.. . ,1- that at this time the Progressives were Blinhing in Illinois and western : __~ '5 Kentucky, the only two atetel in which they hed ever had a strong foothold. The miners who had been on Kine "B"e payroll es of May 12, 1937, :4- . the time the mine wee closed, were not all called back at once for the »_ .-.. reaeon that cave ins end other repairs were necessary before the mine could be out into full operetion. He stated that less than half the total number of emoloveee on the neyroll of Kine "B" ea of Lay 12, 1937, actually fevr to work Lhen celled during the letter pert of 1959 end the early pert of I 92

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GLn3K interviewed st least 150 employees who had returned to Mine "B" and took statements from 50 or 60 of them. In regard to the union effilietion et the time of reeennloyment, egent eee edeieed that during the period of the shutdown many miners had secured employment in other mines which were controlled by UH, and es e result had Joined that union. The general liization we that there were many Progressives who bed not been loyal to »:e PMV, end UHW wassble to persuade these men to become - members of that union. 1

CLARK further stated that in some cases miners who hnd shifted" from the Progressives to UEW whenthey received notice that Mine "3" was TO-mpeningreturned to Linc "B" because of its proximity to Epringfield, Illinois, there they nsintsined their homes becauseof the convenienceof the location. The BMWoffered no objection to this, and in GLARK'sopinion suggested that the change be node.

. CLARK stated that two other factors influenced employees to shift J their merbershin from PMH to UKW, the first being that it was a policy of .3}; the Progressive union not to hire any smprentices as long es any Progressive !-r members wereunemnloyed, whereas Uh? fostered the hiring of the sons of UB9 workers es anprentices, even though some UHW membersmight be unomp1Q79¢-

GLARK stated thrt it was common knowledge around Soringfield that the Progressive union was not paying death benefits when due. He steted thet Uhw capitalized on this and made spoint of paying death benefits very . §$_» promptly and dramatically. He stated that he knew of two instances when n- .-5 on the death of s UM? nember a large committee was appointed to attend the funeral of the deceased and pay the benefit to the miner'swidow at the funeral.

CLARK stated in regard to the use of violence and coercion on the part of members, that there wee no question in his mind but that some violence did occur. it was his opinion that the resnonsibility ié about equally divided between the two unions. CLARE stated that the acts of . -._,. violence were gerteinly known to the managementof Kine "B", but that there - -- wrs no indication that they were spurcred by it. Both ELSEOFT andIELZETTI _...:-rh..'m.r92...... 1.... - =23 4. ststed to cone thrt it was imnossible to rate individual miners tnhéd protection while working in the mine or to stop the violence which was 4 occurring between Hovemher of 1939 and January of 1941. Local euthoritin were not Cooperative. Both ELSEOFT andFELCEIII stated to FLb3K.that they i_,.. ;-..: wished the violence would stop, Q. =4 In regard to discrimination on the part of the management in hiring new workers, CLh3K stated that it wen the tontention of PH? that FALCETTI, whowee nrimerily concerned with the employmentof new men. h discriminated against PMW. On investigation, it was determined that

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FALCETTI had valid reasons for hiring miners, and that in so fer so possible, in the opinion of CLARK, he sdhered to s strict middle-of-the-road policy. FnlCETTI gave ClaRK e long statement in regard to the hiring of individual I men, end in many cases it was found that an individual miner had been recom- mended by a Progressive, or had been employed by hine "B" st the time it closed in 1937. ,

CLARK advised that in general IELGETTI could Justify the employment of every men. CLARK further stated, however, that in some cases he was suenicious of individuals employed. Be mentioned an instance of !aLCITTI's hiring e mine inspector for the State of Illinois who gave up this nosition to work as e miner. This individual name unknown! was e member of the UMW. 5. Shortly after his emnloyment, the former mine inspector was given work having a to do with the ventilation of the mine and had access to the entire mine -4 because of this fact. -- In connection with the charge alleging violation of whet hr. CLARK é believed to Section 8 ! of the National Labor Relations act which has to 4!. do with refusal to bargain in goodfaith, er. CLa3K stated that JDEH!K4NE, attorney for the Progressive Mine Workers, contended that ELBHOIT ha de- ., layed the proceedings by failure to attend meetings that had been arranged, 1-. and in every other possible way. CLaRK had no specific information to- 1 '0 offer in regard to this contention. He did state that he had talked to ELSHCFY in regard to his negotiations with the PKW and had been advised hy ELSHOFI that he was having greet difficulty in negotiating a contract with the Pp" inasmuch es the local union at Mine "B" refused to give him the ." same terns that were effective in the mines of nearby competitors.

CLARK stated that ILSHOFT showed him nhotostatic cooies of the :6 .' hooks of conneting PRW nines, indicating that maintenance men were neid only when the mdne worked. ILSHOFF stated that he was attempting to secure terns that were as favorable to him-but was unable to secure them with the v-NP._4_- PEW. ILSECFT also indicated that he knew that the UM? adhered strictly to the terms of their agreements, whereas this was not true of the PM, who made side agreements with various mine owners. Both ELSHOFT and IRLGETTI exoressed at various times to CLARK their dislike for the FEW, giving as their reasons loose organisation and the tendency the union had to indulge in side agreements with operators. U; CLARK stated in regard to the contempt charges. that the National -=1--, -s Labor Eeletions Board was requested to file by Pith that they involved the 3'3 I refusal of Line '3 to rehire four PMW workers who had been sentenced to ,- Leavenworth on Federal charges arising during the early pert of the Line '3" controversy when s great deal of violence wee indulged in. These men had been naroled end were ettemnting to secure employment at Nine "B". CLARK

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When i nvee ti go ti ng the BMW: reoueut _ for certification of the Collective Bargaining Agent made eporoxinetely July 30, 1940, CLARK stated that he analyzed the membership of both UHT -' and FLY, shoving date o 1' hi r 1 ng, including ell those employed es of key 12, 193?, and that he also secured union membership cards from both unions. He stated that in some cases individual miners belonged to both unions, end that it was his recollection that, including transfers, the UM" had e majority. -t _ GLnRn V advice - d that the UMW had cooperated with him to the fullest ertent in sunplying witnesses and factual date. He further stated that he ="h had submitted e complete renort on the results of his inveetiget on i t 0 the .,, -.1. H. at i 1one Labor Relations Board at Chicago, as well ea various ntatements taken from mine officials and minern. Ee stated thet his work papers were also included in the N.L.R.B. file, presumably at Chi cog , o and that from 6' ,. v these paners he could give more detailed information in regard to the ltetus L;-, of union menberohin at the time of his investigation. , CLa3K state definitely that he wee not connected with the hine "B" matter on hay 13, 1937, and that he had no details in regard to t h e dismissal 0 f l twe v.a miners expelled from PHW, nor had he ever taken u the matter with CnRL3EL$HOFF. He suggested that O. S. SLITE, former H.L.E.B. Field Roletione Examiner, Chicago, Illinois, now D t irec or of the Field Division in Weahington, D.C., could give pertinent information in regard to this, Ee also advised that he had not seen s petition signed by members of UR? dated between August 18, l937, and December 15, 1937. He did state, hovever, t ' bet BAX IELDUBSOF , as before mentioned, had turned over to him erolicntion cards of UHW workers in 1940, and that probably some of these bed been comleted during this period. ii fe- CLA. RE nor aered to the writer to be . unbiased in his attitude toward both unions, and it is believed that he would make u good vitnese if given -1 _.m- an opportunity to review his renorte and work nnyeru.

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M $n1;ies@1&,e,llli:ie1;= Will attemot to determine the identity of the individual who resignedhie noeition an Fine Inuoector forthe Stateof Illinois to becomea miner in Kine "B", andwho subsequentlywas putin chargeof re I ventilating system of that mine. . will interview this individual, if his identity il learned, forinformation concerninghis affiliation with UHWand organiza- tional work oerforned byhim. Will also securedetails of how he secured employment at Mine "B". §

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r- '5 ., ~ in w ~ ' meeti gs of PJLA. during 1| c me ere decided --1} to go over to UJL-I. Advises no direct efforts , . made by any oi subjects at these meetings to influence decision of miners. Indicates ELSI-JOFF created impression among committee of miners that line A would reopen and men return to work if P.M.A. wold go over to UJLW. States ..' i that EDPFUNDSON made promise to do all in his power i<~;i" to_r-eopen Mine A when men came over to U.ll.R'.

- g-;..E: _.. " -RUG» }9!C/ i "9 __ _ ERENCE : Bureau le No. h]+3l+5- 9 _"- 3» -3' 'w_ =.-_ 4- Letter from Springfield to Bureau dated 3 .¥"~'-.'*_9 '-I " September 9, 191,3. - :;a"=<=" 1.13 - " ',' . -_ - - .'.*"= P - . TY5IITAII..S: {$2 "UR-1-UL; }"_1.R31"I;'¬= 92?l - - .. . 5; ."~;.?'.; -"'1' -1? J,1 _ - 15,45. TE - had been livii t cewas Mai located-at and was this iresentliaddress employed and ad-vised Darthat he "* o_ , Q f .. l5EF% R=1E;&- P,T'§z§~é~-A-, ¢' . 3 ¬ SFB*CUO=~=e-J -II _o,_,_ . , ml o -* .4, n--4|-.

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Q _Fwss thoroughly interviewed with respect to his knowledge o .e events surrounding the circumstances imrolvi the - e '~ = at Mine A changing unions in the -latter part of 191+]-. b Q5-. a furnished the following information giving e signed eta ement V which is set forth hereinafter: l. ' "Norfolk, Virginia September lb, l9h3

L " make the following voluntary statement to ' w.om ow o be e Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of .a~ nvestlgetlon. No threets or promises have been made to induce me to make this statement and I have been advised that I an not required to rake any statement, and that any-thing I say may be used as evidence in court. -L. 3?. ' 1!92"" "1 recall that in the summerof 191.1, Mine A in Springeld, _r Illinois was sold by its owner, iviillism I?-yen, to the owner of 1-tine B, NI-4 Carlbéllshoff, the reason apparently being that Ryan was 'broke'. I know K 2 that in 1937, due to e dispute over the fact that about twelve spies of the L115. were causing trouble among the men of Mine B, which men the operators 1 of Kine B refused to discharge, the P.l.£.A. union pulled the men out of | 5"» Kine B causing it to close down. I know that eventually Mine B- reopened r and that it operated with men of the U16? union. ' _ 92 "I know thet at the time Mine A was sold to Mine B, Mine A ;' - . . ._,-. closed down, as it usually did each summer due to e regular seasoned p closure. While Mine A was closed there were substantial rumors to the if - £9Ju- ~. effect that Kine A would reopen only under men in the ULIW. There were I- also rumors to the effect that if Mine h did not open under the UH-1 that j:~?, ' ._;K92,_ -. the coal would probably be mined through iline B, which connected under- _;. ; ground with lline A, and which was s ULM mine. It was pretty well understood h pp--.,.. . "1- bythe PHA men as a result of these rumors that the owners of Kine B, who were now also the owners of lline A, were in favor oi: the Ill-H? and would not '5 open Mine A under the PEA, "-"" 1

"About this time e special meeting of the FHA local was § called by the PEA local officers. This meeting was held at the PM. Hell 5 and I nee present es e member of the loo-ele I did not hold eny officie-l position at this meeting. At/this meeting s number of the members discussed the general situation which I have mentioned, and the talk was that the men of the local wanted to »get beck to work st Kine A regardless of ms.-

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$ i NF b,-, 0 92-x.,._ U+~3 t v q 0 and atly stated that the BIA local the general trend of the meeting use to was involved. No one came out owned by I'IJ.sho1f and that he favored the ' {FEM shouldand that go over he to probably the URN, would but not open it under PNA, and that there- _r the fore effect if work that was Mine to be A was had newit would be necessary to Join the U197. I0 one in particular led this discussion at the meeting.

"Shortly after this I received an unsigned form letter in the mail, and I think that there use a notice in the newspapers, here wold be a meeting of the 1*-fine .1. local L...-LL. uuuu... tu the .-. cfft ..t at the iisemesfs Hall, giving the time and date, and stating that the li purpose was to discuss the current situation. ;-f1-.1 V 1'2: _ =3: The min was who . The whole that trend he was oiqtalkon a committee was that ch it hadhad I ~1- been indies e t d by Hr . Elshoff that I-line A won reopen and employ the f :-FF" men only if they came over to e tn um-I - . -stated that Hr . Elshoff had not flatly stated this, but that this was the impression which .*_ _192y92'.'_|- - Elshoff had left with the committee. As a result of Que k , and the general discussion, the general feeling expressed 3* men present was th t a the y wanted to go over to the U157. I cannot positively say whether the men wanted to go over to the U15; because they likodthe U111? or because they wanted to get ~ ..-ace" " to so... P at *- erg coeqt but I believe that it we for the latter reason J '-i:-.l thii it Redmers Hal '5 fix:J, ;-.._ "Due to the fact that there were not s sufficient number of men present at the meeting at Redmen'e Hell to take s vote, no vote was taken but another meeting was decided upon at the Rgdmems Hell . meetirsg .- It was subsequently amounced that this meeting would be held at the Elk's 0lub.- A few days after the R.edmen"s Hall meeting,the meeting at Elk's Hall was held. Ilt was held on a Sunday, _again spoke, enaspoke, end also Q _ F, who was a so on the co mitt ee wh vzs ted Mr . Elshoff , spo e. t 92 e only hope tr the men to get their jobs in Nine A, was to Join the } I l UHW, inasmuch as this was the l impress 1 1on e ft on the committee _ by Hr. -' Elehoff, and was the general if'ouno" . _ f 1, I-I3-b

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"_l;t the t_:t;|!1.:;l_1_1_5iQ;'l oi the meetig, 0 group of men Ient to Edmundsonls office at his invitation. This roup numbered about six or

to sevenEd.rm.mdson's men, d office we scussed the get ng of Welf.a charter When for wethe gotnew union local, and Edmundeon said he would arrange for it and he also called. his stenographer in and dictated a statement, which he signed, to the ef- '92 fect that he veoulci do all in his power to get the mine reopened and get tin men andbeck gavethe toworkoriginal in line touwith A Edmmdson the kept understanding one copy of that the if statement,the mine reopened thct the statement would be given back to s.omun" dson. "-._ . "At the meeting in the Elks Hall, after the vote was taken and Edmundson called, he sent his secretary for some application blanks --. -in-runrl an nu-92n'I-inn§'lnv92 §n lain rhn THEM -»_ U-I-E35!-'81 I-ll 4r2J§-LY-li92J{Yl II92J J15-ll BIIK 92I|K,[I'Q

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"I have read this stateotrlt consisting of nine hand- written pages, and state that it is the truth to the best of my knowledge. I have initialled each or the pages and place my signature on this last page.

The original of this statement is being furnished to the Springfield Field Division with its copies of this report. A ' - was questioned closely as to whether or not there sir were two P.:-LA. meetings at the PJLA. Hell but stated that as far as he knew there was but one meeting and that he had not realized that there was a meeting at which a committee of the P.1l.A. was appointed to con- I" .- tact ELSHOFF. He did state, however, that apparent1y 14¢Z were members of such a conmittee since they spo e a uent meetings of having contacted ELSHOFF. _ -was specifically asked whether he was present at a meeting held on the same night after meeting at the Elk's Club at which negotiations were made for signing 5 contract with the U.llJi. He stated 3-that he knew of no meeting that night other than the meeting mentioned in his signed statement at which several of the officials and men present at the Ells Club meeting went to Edm.undson's office at which time EDIIIJNDSCN prepared the signed statement promising to do all he could Fl towards the reopening of the Kine. ea i: It appears from the interview nithwthat he was not in a position to have heard ELSHOFF make any direct s a ements with regard to his attitude toward the reopening of the Unions. However, it is apparent that both present at the conference with was present at any negotiations which

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_ This Case Originated At SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS File No. 44-18 Report MadeAt Date Made 'Period T 1i¢:>'F1TK5; l§§"I* I I I SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS 9-13-43 - 9 - 2 thru 11 si 57¢ - y 1943, incl. I - a;;,»;ct;.; ¢;= 51;. ii 92~' e -2;:-" _>92__ JOHN L. LEWIS,ET AL CIVIL RIGHTS AND -=9, DOMESTIC VIOEHCE ,-

.-, ~-.n:- x SYNOPSIS persons OF FACTS: Statements who set forthweremembers of approximatelyPEA of 125 Local Ho. additional 54atlMinq_ va- :§:_in Hey 1937. In general, these statements eflect that the vast majority of Mine B employees favored , .... PMA in May 1937; that the sit down strike which followed the attempted opening on September 27, 1937, was carried ti ti out voluntarily by Mine "B" employees without outside §%$ assistance; and that the NLRB election of December 15, 1957, was carried out in a fair and impartial manner. .$_ Concerning memberalleged UMW spies operating in EMA 72'. évrr ".7!_ WES not 1',, 'IT t . 3/.A' Q Y_ owed, i c X! vised by an attorney. Varioas reports received indicat- 9 92 / - ingemplo ees y an at Mine"B" .<=med1"" A have " been advised 1 u =l~ to refer requests for interview to AHQHURp§%W?ITi_ERALD, *- L_ _ g> ' Board i a Springfield Member, set out- tementattorney. ?LASG|7»' oi 5"?-'~"-'1-'13rh<>r -92_,__ 92 KRI; _ e f Member,furnishedconcerning statementconversa- pertinent _ tions with subjects ELSHOFF, FALCEHTI, and EDMUNDSON- K {f' ROBERTwOLOMON, C. President,Panther "reek Fines, Tnc., 1 A'{: I P and furnished his attorneys, informationL. concerningG. PEFFERLE, CLAYTON negotiations ELSHOFF'sand BARBER, J. -e *-~*fL £fVV.......i,_,_.,',,__j:""i;__-:_:".,:T';::; I *. _ ,1-_i5hp?:5i73?i*_'§3ih;L'"I _ I *":Ii;II1- II I AI $23511'_ Q:g: V sa§'-%;@§1§._p t * -%'= v" '*"~ p TL-oE;_r§' -- 1?. ,___,'1 r 7* wens '1'IN rTHESE '~7~V7" " smcss .~ "'71 V ; 92_ _I i 0 e r . 3.Z.$£E..1_2_1Q]4_____-i....;.4%'!.:Lf.Jl;?i = Copies of This Report L: _ ..92.... _ F I T.-7.i_92"D o¢0,§352*2s?§Bur eau * ___m[ - s so .___,,i_,_,___,_,__,__-_.i.__._._._--M.->'_ " --- -ll» --*- *"~'-i '**' """ ¥~l;""" ______.._. _.-> r . if , Q

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3-".'T*Ti . R- Interviews with PLEA miners who §mnh1rnAx-/4.vJu92.s 0+ I-Av.lIu4.L-AD M{a "R" aw in41.1 unwr ung:Q11! y;|,| ~_ -.1"~'-. :1. . .;--. .-1-*_"1',.92. 921': I --> u- .a 1* .- _ 4% -- ~__-.up

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- -*.~ "2,- Investigation concerning UMW labor 41? spies operating in PMA during Spring of 0 I 0 I I 0 0 I 0 I Pa-EBB t0 111011151170 I ''-9 :1 _ "i _' '1-'2 Miscellaneous Interviews ...... Pages 405 to 449, inclurive -. Index of Persons Interviewed . - . . . . Page 3-Let seq. oi

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RE: JOHN L. LEETIS, ET AL

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RE: JOHN L. LE-TIS, ET ILL.

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RE: JOHN L. LEWIS,ET AL '

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Re: JOHN L.LEWIS, E1 AL I M? D

interviewed at his residence at 3 IIHERVIEW vrrrn Se...-4.-....'z.-. I1 102': bu E.-..-U.-i-.1 S. 92 " interve "B '1 - s - 'I _ FA" _»~ness due to his poor speaking and difficulty in expressing himself. He gave information as set forth in the following signed statement: Li. -"-fl: if "Springfield, I11. -is September 7, 1943. ...=...... _.- #1- - " my ucuun: J.= % J Ll} F _ H I became an American citezn 12 I 111 9 .- Q . mg _ s aeme nt to d ._ :_ 'Id'1O have identified theme es o n- o be cia " -r;' ' - '- Federal Bureau =-r~.was _,,., of Investigation. No promises, threats, or consideration of any kind -has been made to me to make this statement. I am willing, if necessary, . -

?*.-4?» f 1... 3:-"-.__ . -..;'l'=-Y?11" . »,-'3". - ;;,:-$5- __,_-. - "I have been a coal miner since came to the United 57%? - States 'orkin in atm BI and sin_c_e_ have been a Before coal 1932mimr ever I was asince. member I of havethe _'-=,,.,,=,,,,United Lfine Y{orReP§"of America. er 1932, the local at mine B belonged to the Progressive Mine ziorkers oi America. I was never an officer of either union. I attended the union meetings frequently, under both unions. In .- a 1937, when the strike started, I was satisfied with the way that the local 51:: . A- '- and the Progressive 1-tine Workers of America were being operated. I do not recall that the men out there were against this union. I do not 1- recall exactly why the strike started out there in l93'?. There had been some quarrels over the amomt of pay, but I do not know if that was what tho strike started over. -

s_ known ,as;§_Q,o_t_t_cg11_ was expelle I ..'. was not at the trial when he was eicpeITed, and do not know exactly what it was that he was expelled for. I think it was because he violated a rule of the union that a Pi.-EW member should not associate with a member of the UMW. Cotton had been a good friend of Tony Plotch for many years. Tony had been expelled I['I"0m the Pm? before, _________ __ r___ --£7-_._...~ - -- --.;__,-_--_ -- - --=1 --'-'" -*~:::_,~ J-Q-ma ~r '-In-nlnir -

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. .-_.¢ _' 1-1»: I I Re: some L. LEWIS, er AL 1.-e7¢/ .1979 . TH mine during the sit down strike, and stayed out there part of the time. I was not working there on the day continue that the sit down strike started, and do not know what happened. I stayed out there part of the time. The men who were there on the sit down were all men who had worked at Nine B before, as far as I know.

"I recall voting at an election for the unions in the winter of 1937. As far as I know that was a fair election. No one told me how to vote, or tried to influence my vote in any way. As far as I know everyone had a chance to vote as they wanted to at that election.

_. ..'_ "I do not recall exactly when I went to work at the Jefferson .42" .4 I _'; mine. g'Cotton" was working out there, and he got me a job. I worked ou ere about 11 months. It was a ULF7 mine, and so I joined the -"- .. . U161? when I went to work out there. When that mine closed I had my card switched over to the Mine B local of the ULIW. I did not care particularly . which union I belonged to then. ,,. .1., 15'-fF~'»_ "I went back to work tixubering when the mine reopened. There had Ir, ; , been no big fires in the mine during the time that it was closed. _s.l ' .4 F*:..' "There had been some big cave ins, and they have not been cleaned up yet, in the south part. Some I helped to clean up myself. . F L s o--__. erg-' "I knew eh he worked out there at mine B. He 2'.-I -Q was an Air Check man, r some 'ng like that. I went around testing air. 35¢ ". 1- He had not worked at Mine B before the strike. _Be1ore the strike there -;, had been a man checkin the air part of the time, and working on other -921.' .1 , came thi s. we back called 3,0111 to when dothe mine same came soI back, work after that the he didstrike, was e ore, hired and to thaes do that no o work, doing. and Jiftereft, st or there no doingone the same sort of thing.

"I heard that there was fighting going on at the mine after it I L ea reopened. I was not interested in the tings that happened out there, -I _,_ and did not see any fights. I was a member oi the and did not try to dojany organizing or anything like that. I do not know oi any ,e=j.,;_ - organizing that was being done out there at the mine during that time. .:=_1 -. 92 - _ :51-. » "I do not recall Falcetti or Elshofi saying anything about either union, or which one they preferred. I did not see any papers handed out anywhere on the mine property. I do not recall signing any papers or petitions after the mine went out on strike."

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a 3| hecriminal was employed record. at Althoughépeaks Mine n Jul 1940. ted he English, hedid not have woulda .-JIr not be considered as e good overnment witness as it was obvious during the interview that he was not telling the truth and was in sympathy with DIN. rnished the following signed statent: "-gpringfield, Ills, September 7, 1943.

mks the following wlmwsw =1=-resent to "I.-"1-F and Whom I know to be Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 0 force, threats or promises have been vhvb mode in obtaining this statement and I know thlat what I may Bey may be used in a court oi law. . '- .; 5 ',.-.§_. N . .;Ie-"=*"7"..l<"':-.-->-. .. . P-=31 - I we s born 11'l .:L.--.>.*.'" * ~ s ..,.='.- I -..lg;§,,;;;.,_;H_ M _ _ I _s_ . I rst became a member of UMW in about Din Springfield, Ill. -.1! -s. i»**~.'l¥.' I was employed at the J 1'-Iine Ills in ' 92.- ebout 1957 where I W's emplo ed for - s *-:_¢-*-1.: -- _§,'q. - am - --s-';>'-~ 14..-. -1"-.,,<-"" -=1__ H =- '13,?-f"-U5. " r . 3 ,3-'#¬1*= -- .,' -. 3' i ' F»s;=-».-r.-.=»._;.; . -,. . *_ . =4. "* * -~ - ~ <. "-2: -- * . :- =¢~ -->.#£e».---.' .. -., - ?l'--""1"-. . A15-;_." .E92:-.. _ F . fifiv fr I was employed at Mine "B" in July 1940. I obtained a job as .1 -é ,"If - driver through OSCAR FALCETTI at 1-line "B" ,3 ¢__,_ r-fl when I w , was " "wt eio-*4-.1-~~»-es; .. ed,-e. . . =--:q,.,»_,92-;,-,.:~- . t ,5. .'- .-. K. - ".. 11., so lo~ ._, ,1 M'ne-I . , 1'33: --- sf e. / *- » -;._=- ss-:.....;...~ ;g;; , '.,gss,..,,F..92...s.,.-~ - - -. " .. . 12'.» 5; " ' . ss.....,,s...=1~1-rt, ~J :-1 '* -TL""':' .-vi-. =>=!f"' =r92:'-- ;;;.=; M. f-.- = .-1.5 5- -'. "1-'=.-" ~£.. -2»-¢92'?@§'5 .. -- . .3 - .s.~».»--5"-123* 9-§.:"' .--;'- ""--I -92 - " » ..<&4-=1-= -' =*"z~»~ " __ r ;,- ~' -1»-s'z.>. -' ~- -=1:-"=2 - . --- -- ;! .3,-,;'.=; s ;- 92ljV|"-4. _-.;,"*~~¢>$§.-~~92._--_'--_ -:-:'.:§-.- =' -' 1-. '> . , = '. .-,--.ll I :92=-i» 1- -. In August 1940 I voluntnrily joined mm as I perfered mm to FHA. ;;;' ?r.;; ..F- _ 1*- l _ "When I wr;s employed at Mine ~Bi I did not see any organizing for either UMW or PMA and I did not see any fights between U}-1W and PMA members, 'z - "I voted in the N.L.R.B. election in Feb. 1941. So far as I know the election was fair and each miner at Mine "B" was allowed to vote as he W1 shed F 1-". ' ~ :1." ' 1"-'=»-1 '» "" "';:1-*"<=1~-. " __ "=¥i§== *. -7"»:-< 3 2.-.::1s~:: 1' I it '$f ; ' ' !=..: o Hrs; --'-.:.§' ;. A, 41- »,_ w-s -~;; ,_,_ s.._.._,-s.._.ss_.1:-1" 92 - .-ap-

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I never took an active part in the activity of FTEEVIEWW E rt-II? 1 T 1 ______9244A_L_lQ 4_ __l92.I92.l__ _li LL .___.I__ U Bn -l IEVB never DBBD. H-1'l__UI1l|.|3Bl'U1 DDS UIJJLUIJ-I OD!'1't1U.6d! "I have read this statement consisting of two pages and it is true and correct to the best of my knowledge. . _ /=»

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RE; JOHN L. LEWIS, ET AL. L9,? CL/ e MID ,1.» INTERVIEW EITH as +?#=.-4. _ ewe Em ~= lilinoi. was iniervieve e 1+ 5- by Spél A an = I - ~ i . ' V .' speaks and reads English very we , an- c an- qr-stlonl as him. He stated he is willing to testify, but noted that his memory as to specific The followingdates is not signed too good. statement He claimed was obtained to have frno criminal record.

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make the following voluntary statement to ureag-of m I know to be Special Agents of the Federal1 made me. tion, of my own free will, with no threats or promises live at IQ $5->t@,;!1<1m.:. Mine Workers a{@n%f it '38 than I °i11e¢'1 union the until Uii-651952, when I joined the regressive Fine Eorkers of America, Géh I was working at the Peabody Mine. I started norkin; at Mine B in lQ5§H_andfoined_the P.H ' - .1 i. 7 3 "»,.--..1~ -~ e..,m1<"-;;i "%*l*v$§"e;=.-__,;1_'ve ~ .-- ' §".|L_ ,-..92.-.,;...J- 1,_'~=-.* e _ never Been an '_ oilcer I in - _ any union." "From 1934 until 1937, things went pretty smoothly at the mine,_until about six months before the strike. At that time some friction started, and some men began talking up the U.M.W, union= Some of the men talking were Bohannon, Plotch, Carter, Austin, Sirtout, and Pasqua1e. Although they never talked to me about the U.M.§., it was generally known that they were doing it.

Ilw . . .. -. 1-.-. . .. 1-0 . - "l went to quite a row r.n.A. meetings. every member had a chance re? to speak his mind, and I, as well as most of the men, was satisfied with that union. I don't remember hearing of any favoritism shown by the manage- ._ __ ment to the U.H.F. before the strike. '1£3$__»,' -.¢- - '~'I

5;" J-_ ;-V;, "I don't remember the P.M.A. meeting the night before the strike. ,=!,§';'?L_ A few days before the strike, I heard, at the mine, that the P.M.A. had de- manded that the management fire some men for acts done in violation of P.M.A. regulations. One of the men was AUSTIN, but I don't remember the names of any others. I heard of a P.E.A. meeting to discuss this question, but don't remember when it was.

"I went to work on the day of th strike, and saw men loading their cars short. I felt that some trouble was brewing, and didn't want any part

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RE: JOHN L. LEWIS, ET AL. .- 57¢, A70- IE? I n BITE Of it wkeontinuedi l mine, up from the mine. The men T -.~, _ 2 were loading short weights because the management refused to fire the men -91".._-in as asked. The men didn't want to go on open strike, but hoped to force " . 4; .1-9,31: - company's hand in that way. ifs.-s_ agreed among themselves to do They it. weren't instructed to load short, and - "Hhen the men camp é-Z: faction among them. I don'tup from the mine there was a lot of dissatis- pute, or any feeling against think the trouble was caused by the wage dis- r. . '3 5.: P.M.A. could do them as much the P.E.A., because the men felt that the =.::.=.<_ -. }g good as the U.H.. I think the controversy between the management and the P.M.A. over the retroactive clause in the L. contract was brought on by the management to start trouble, and give the ; "E"'_S management a chance to join up with the U.M.E. H "On the day of the , Plotch, Pasquale, and Pasquale's strike, son, when come I up came and up go from into the Falcetti'smine,I saw r office. It struck me as funny, because the miners didn't usually associate with the management. It was especially peculiar, because I know they had been agitating for the U.M.T. I saw them in Fslcetti's office, but I don't know what they were talking about. Lhen I went home fro the mine .1 '9' that day, I knew that the F.H.I. men wouldnt go back to work until a '9'- _|!...TF. settlement was made. I don't remember if the P.M.A. officers told us to stay out or not. V , .-- _r ll I don I t remember signing any P.M.A. petition, or any other, in RF the summer of 1957. I heard at P.M.A. meetings that the U.K.L. was trying to take over Mine B, and we'd have to fight to hold our jobs. I knew that a U.M.L. local was organized in the sumer of 1957, but I wasnt asked to j0il'1. ¬I. . .*_ %.. II I didn - yt go out to the picket line in th fall of 193?. It .5" ~13 seems to me that I went back to tho mine the night after the strike started to picket one or two days, but not after that. In the fall of 1937, I paid :[>_;§é_-£9592 my dues to P.M.A., and wont out to the mine to pay them. That was the only g_ 7' . __..» time I was around there. The decision to picket the mine was made at a P.H.A. meeting, but as I was working, I didn't go. .25 . - . "In December of 1937, I voted in an election at the State Arsenal. L Twuuu _.m_+ voluntarily, but don't remember how I got the notice. I voted for P.H.A. because I was satisfied with that union. I felt that asnall group - _ .w .___.._ _..,._._.._o..._...... ,...,~_.e~_ ~ +-~- /-~*-*"~ -"***'V-" *" '""' "'" "** ' ! 1 C , O

RE: JOHN L. LEHIS, ET AL I n J I! ,* 1 -._,_,-1 -;~vJ: _ .. 1' J "!*'3ir'*92 ~ "lahen I got noti oo that the mine would open in 1939, .- .1"- I went back to get my tools, and quit for good. Ho _ #~ COI'192-lnd, one, at any time, ever contacted, or said argrthing to Q;_ um, about joining the U;M.U. M -- . "I have read the foregoing, consisting of approximately four pages, and state that it is true to the best oi my knowledge and recollection

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4 '_'- Springfield, Ill. .¢' September 4, 1943 Y! '=."';_.m.j__ _ 3'- following e statement freely and voluntarilv fab; t; a who have identified themselves to 1 {*9-; mo asSpecal gents of the Fodxra ureau of Investigation. No threats ,-or pIOITliS=3S havebeen made to me to ootein this statement. ' "I presently live ;_ ___»ll. and am employed at Mine. D. I was*- o or 1 j_ Eiiii.- - I came to the United States in was naturaiize in --. -1 0:: '1,-- Ill. 1 "Iri_I first joined amine union,the United1-iine ""01-kers.In z 11332I joined the Progressive Mine horkers of America. I rejoined the U.k5.'-.?<7. E in 1940. I have never held an office in any union. "I don'trememb-zr anythin, about the reasons for the strike in 1937. No one came to me before the strike to try to get ne to join the U.L1.T-'. I was satisfied with the P.I£.A. and it made no difference to me whether I Q-_-.1; belonged to one union or the other. -*?¥:i.v ".»1fter the strike started Dominic Pasquale, 1-mdy Schrelevious, and §et={T Frank ustin at one time or another talked to me about joining the U.M.W. _ j I We. . They did not threaten me. I thin}: I joined the U.Ii.T.-'.l9l+O, in but I am ...a-1 V not sure. I joined the U.}!.j. because QYa;I'yO1'1Eelse was joining that union. -7 - ' .3r;"3._ "I was only interested in working for 1113'living and I did not pay - _,-,_ much attention to union activities. I was willing to belong to whxbever §,k_:_;__~-. union would look out for me, and satisfied the majority of the miners. £'-2-.1-v 3% "I have had this statement read to me and I state that it is true .92.. to the best of m' knowledge." /==-/ I ""',iFe= 92' a @-f ¢ "'.B.I. I _.- ~ _..__ -. _...._ _ -_ __s_______ : _il,i.A:__ _,,.___i_V_1V __i *7 _V___ljT ___ _A ___i i:*i iii

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4:3Mn. r_.~__-.-Y .._-r $4?--_~ - "-35:" J A "ff.- Re: JOHN L. LEWIS, swat Q - Q f'" -éva . I ~ _-. h ?*r . ._ I, 2 _ 4'}?-.'.Y WITH was int-ed by S cial Agents ff .,|._.I _. egpprggggg him.- . 92 se and his ~- =-;- 0 g m s , which is below =92 's.-'- 'i~¢I_ the avers-fe miner, makes poorit diff; ioi him to properly answer questions put to him. He is cooperati-ee.. l.1:'nishedP1 4 the following s..gned4 signed statement: i f 1 ~ Illinois September 4, 1943

5- -, 'K ./§. ._ pg-.44. _" "I,T,f;i§§?i..,_ residin; at make the following . 5'"N"-1. voluntary statement to 7§§- _, ;r and both of whom - ' ' Eureau of p have identified themselves as pec al Agen I Investigation. No threats v been made to get me to make a Tjj-"3~z-"'32".' .4 1 -__-_l tatement. I was born on and came to the U. S. in -ssfwier-; I bec-m a e a U . S. citizen i' .e, 't ave -- n working in the mines "."'-.w;i-.,,1.'.. 0-. .. t. since and joined the United I-fine Workers I started to work at Mine B a_-it 1935 and am still employed there. joined Progressive in E 1932 and have never held an office in any union. '1'-5"? -" "Progressive was started in 1932 when John Lewis stole some ballots. -FF. '- . u . I I had nothing to do with starting PEA. I do not go to many union meetings. srs 1-';-;'-'-- '2 life '1; , 7 "As I remember, we had no trouble at Mine B in 1937 because of ea" fit wages or contracts. we did have trouble with some spies, men who were working for U.M.W. Some of these men were Cotton, Tony Plotch, Bowling ee?%eE: Green, and other's. There were about twelve or iourteen of these men. They glad _ _.c . ... never talked to me. P.h.A. gave these men lay off, expelled! because they ,1 were spies. This happened at a PEA meeting. I wasn't there but I heard about it the next day. The company wouldn't fire these men although they were supposed to. The rest of the FHA men got mad because the company {tags wouldn't fire these men. I don't remember any talk-about wages at this time, although I recall that we were supposed to get some back pay when the new contract was signed. to felt that P.H.A. would get a good contract, J V 1:. 1'92l¬.'_.'a'.__=_,: VA as good as U.M.. ~ -~ ff u; ' w. "On the day of the strike I was working as a digger I I I _ ,,_ ,-ii?.. - - "-1- _. ._.. went down in the pit that morning, same as usual, and I don't remember any i4- -*5 trouble or argument that morning. I don't remember any cars being loaded we _. c - short maybe I heard about it, but I am not sure. As I remember we were called out of the mine early that day, the men were mad because of the spie working there to. Then I came out of the pit, I went on hime. I am not sure when I learned there wasa mxke, whether it was that day or the next. The reason for the strike was because the men wouldn't work with those spies, I "I do not recall signing any petitions that summer, maybe I did .- ".f-.' _. _._ _l_ L- _..-...... __4.._..4 ...4-~- - -- _ -I-,~ ----, *:i,l~' _1--- _';H um-.,__., . -m. --ll, -- __ ,. . _¥ _ _ ___

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M: JOHN L. IEJIIS, ET AL J; 77 _b,.-._|'- . C, - 5; s i é?'7.f92 INTERVIET WITH but I can not remember well. I bi 5. continued! "In September, l937 I was notified that the mine was going -e '5. . to open. When we got out there those spies were there too, and we wouldn't work with them. we staited a picket line then and wou1dnt let anyone go to work. I stayed on the picket line, coming home once in awhile, and remained there until a Federal man-came and made us leave. I could come home whenever I wanted to while the picket line was there.

"I voted in the NLRB election in December of 1937. A bunch of us gr. 1.» went from Auburn to Springfield where we met at the Union Hall. Small grOups_ i, .15, then went from there to the Armory and voted. The election was quiet and . I saw no trouble. I .s; I r ' When the mine opened in 1939 I was notified to come to work and of I did. P.}I.A. At until that time sometimeI was during still a the member summer of of 1940P.H.A. at I which remained time I e memberjoined United. I joined United because there wes use much trouble. fellows going cw . . ~+e@»ee;_* I. I . . / ~._,~ d h tt th f ll ' W 4 er-oun 1 ing o .er c on-.s. tried to get meto Join U.M. . - and told me . if I didn't I might A we__ kic ev out of the mine , or it might cos 4?-_; me e lot of money. One morning while I was at the min- _m .. one man knock another men down but I went right into the washhouse. f%¥i3j;. = came to my house just once, trying to get me to join U.H.W.

' .. -'.'-.-K "The above statement was read to me by and I declare it to be true and correct to the best of my memory. .h_a- - p -.-m -9,. .4;-L =I..?; . witnessed:

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:was observed to be a person of ordinary intelligence. his He appeared position to 35. atbe honest and cooperative, the minehe although had little he knowledgeclaimed that as to duewhatto . went believed on in that the would min- a I pali little be e particularly attention to union goodwitness matters. tut It he is wouldnot be willing to db las s in the event he is needed. He advised that he has no criminal record.

gave the follo".-ring signed statement:

'3 1-, r Sept. 3, 1943 %,_f_»_925C e III give the following ststement are known to me to be Special Agts. of .- rt _ <2. the F.:. . no OI promises have been made me to procure this state- II:._._ i..._._ ' F ment.

92 _J .*T'-4' -¢"_;. ": was born near Springfield, I11. At present I -_r.'.'§~<,-. am employed at Panther r e 'lne o. 1 I joined e mine union at Barclay} ;-Qwi ' lei 1Ill 51,-gt when iiorkea I vis in abou :1g_ qvrs. old I have Ihave never _woIked held there any continouslxunion office. while the mine was running until Aug. 943. "Prior to 1932 Elshoff and UEE got on alright as for as I know. !_. ._ In 1932 John Lewis was supposed to have stolen the ballots and the Mine "B" men went to P..A.. I did.

along did not care which Union we belonged to, never From 1932 to the time of the strike Eshoff and P.MuA. seemed to get good. I know they hoisted more coal than they ever did. I never heard Elshoff or Falsettisoy anything about getting rid of P.h.A. and getting U.H.7. beck, they wouldnt say anything to me. I think the P.lLA. officials and members hed some difficulty; seemed to me there were some few who wanted to go beck in-U.M.7. even then. As far es I know 10031 SL P.H;A. was alright, I never suspected the P.M.A. officials of stealing any of the money, the dues were no higher than U.H.T. "I remember the convictim of the P.H.A. men for bombing. I couldnit say who QEEE it. Btueen1932 and the time of the strike in 193?_ I don't A ______V__i__ _:;______,______"*__::__'_ _,-_. _ _i_r - __A - *4---r __,_.._.,_._.. s ' U r . . 7-"'9 _['r§;' C , Q ,§¢g ;§e ., -1., Re: JOHN L. LEWIS, ET AL J9

burr? nrmu bel4Qun i-.e n vqmlna urn V.-. aver p------ n<@tataa nib -0- mi-. m4na_T _ heard»-_ that-"_ Andrew Schrelevious, Dominic Pasquale, Pete Carter, asst con inue. Frank Austin, Tony Plotch, Geo. and Emory Jacawayy ~Z2? many wanted to go over to U.H.W. none of them bothered me at this time. neg Chas. Bohanon and James Hale were trying to see hon

"Between 1932 and 1937 I never heard of Elshoff or Falsetti giving . any parties for the U.M.W. officials. I wasn't in any position to hear this. ,_t-_-_'_ I was not very active in union affairs.

11' 53$!.-_ . "Just before the mine closed I recall the contract ran out the first of April as always. I did not hear anything about any agreement under .."';.§..»;'which the men were working. No one said anything to me about it. I never heard anything about the possibility of the P.H.A. not being able to get as "3!'...$:'n{good a contract as U.H.U. at that tine I was on a switch Engine and didn't have to be1ong'to the Union. I don't remember anything about any disputes ;¥=" on pay day at this period.

"I r-HA 92,',|.92.,A on L.-1l92-A+.l-n: uziu nnqfi .|92,uu;.1|b nn mu hi. whi "1zJ.92-0:5 h I:r92mr= vvl-Iv tho I-luau man l£l92lllWQPQI-wow kicked .- -2. out. I heard some men were kicked out but I don't know.for sure. On the 1_ -Y -51' .1 '3. morning of Nay 12th I was working on the Tine "B" railroad and knew nothing about any possibility of a strike. I believe they quit working sometime before quitting time. I don't really know whether the strike was caused over ._ i wages or over the Co. refusing to fire the expelled men. It might have been either one. I know or rather heard that some cars were loaded short the day n51 of the strike but I didn't see any of them at the time. I heard one of the men tho favored U.M.J. say he loaded cars that way because his buddy did dies and he felt he had to. I don't know why the cars were short loaded or who . ... gave the orders for it. "4151: -. ,1- .4 ...._ I I 1-" - .- -.- _-O- -7 7 . y _ £'.f~c».}sX.. .A-r; Y *._ 15 .~_- , _ n: "I don't remember the petition of the P.MLA. on May 26, 1937. I -J5? wnsnt around most of the time as I would get work one place or another .._?=_"¢. ...,.F V-1-' most of the time. I do recall signing some petition for the U.M.W. thinking .---'. I .3.!-;,=-_-.w- at the time that the U.1LE} was in the majority_ I found out later that - -L I was misinformed. I don't know who told me that. When I found out that this was wrong I went up and withdrew my name. Prior to signing the U.M{I. -- 0 * * "*'' ii '*' ..__l_ _,_ _. __ .,.l___, _- ------+_, ;; 1.4- ~-~_-r- - - - ---I.-1-_-mm-_-: -11, ' '_, ,*;,

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'> ~45 u,- 1 _ . ET 1 I 4 Re: JOHNL. n=:Is, AL 197$ - -_ - '.=--.5» __~;_ 4970 e»~ _, jkshf J y and they claimed they had a majbrity. -~.v.' . 1"-.¢ -.. , "5$3 iii It "I don't remember signing any other fetitions during the summer. It made no difference to me which union I joined. I wanted just to go with the majority of the men. I dont remember anything unusual happening during the summer of 1937 up to the time of the strike. '

92 ,. iii I was there when they tried to open the mine in Sept. 1937. I Q- ,_.5- just went out and set on the engine and did no work. I don't know if anyone went into the nineor_not. I had been working all along up to this time_ 5-5-_92;#',.<reg .-In- the engineers don't go out on strike. Sometime during the sit~down strike :3..." the mine operators laid the engineers off because the mine had been shut darn so long. I never participated in the picketing at all; I was there in my capacity es an engineer. After I was laid off I never went back to the a;~»n- .,"..,e mine till it reopened for good. The strike was peaceful and I know of no 1, ii? outside men being brought in by P.H.A. to help in the picketing. If any éthe drunks came out the P.I.A. men took them awiy. I think the men were there 11-I-;;,F;1-='-2of their own free will. I heard one man say they were just protecting their g-$1 jobs. 9292" "I think Elshoff was appointed receiver over the Jefferson mine. - :4;-.F I understood thet some of the men from Nine "B" Went over there and did some work I don't know why this n TS done. I don't know how Ellshoff was able H Q 'U I . ~"-:5 to keep the mine closed for so long. I just heard some talk that he was I :~,~"'."_Q;,'-getting some money from Iewis.

__ 5. .-: " "I heard of the first N.L.R.B. election but took no part in it.

"'.}'hen the mine opened the last time I received some notice that it I Iii-j:-.., was going to open kt that ti me I was working u-réso I told felsetti "$':'.*-" I would have to give some notice. He told me th t was a right to work _ .-.,,-~...,, another shift and cone back. hen I went back I paid my dues to the PTOgT9SSiT8a r I. f;=jB up until the time I sew it was useless. They finally_ when all the men were .; sining up brought FE an apnlication and told me I would hive to sign up " I1- 3"1ln even though I had signed before. Some Italian fellow brought this _'_ §.!."2 blonk to me at the nine_ I signed it without being compelled because everyh one else was to eoine|.:. over. The men I be1ieve' went over to U.H{7. because set, they felt it was their only hope of keeping working. They knew that Elshof would refuse to do business with the Progressives and figure that was the fey; " only way to keep the mine open. From the time we went beck to work up until the 2nd N.L.H.B. election I don't recall signing anything for either- : side except when I went over to_U.H.W} I never even saw a fight during the time from when we went back to work and the 2nd N.L.R.B. election.

"I voted in the 2nd N.L.H.B. election. Eobody forced to vote in this election or how to vote. As far as I know the election was square.

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_ _. I Re: JOHN L. LFYIS, ET AL b '70 p 3 4'J"!_D I - _ Ml. Host all the men had a].re=-dy signed up for U.lI.TJ. but I heard they still didn't all vote that way. I one e reckon I voted U.M.¥-. but I really don't know. I ;T£ - think the U.M.F. won because a lot of the P.M.A- men were gone lots of then didn't come back and I think the men just decided that was the only way out if they wanted to work. The Co. just refused t~ have anything to do with the PTogresives_ I don't know why but they did. I don't know anything about the condition of th mie when Opened.

..s t -'l I know they don't get out as much coal as they used to but they don't have Q. = - as many men either. I don't know anything ebout any fire in Mine "B" .; while it v.'_aS closed. I don't remember anything about the meeting at which ,5. arrls kicked out because of an argument over money matters. '"gs! "I have read the foregoing stntement of 9 pages and it is all true ir ,2 to the best of my knowledge. I am therefore signing this of my own free will.-

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Re: JOHN L. LE».-is, ET ..L. 1:70 JQUD '4 =92; 1 MIT =-s .. . we interviewed ~BP@¢ia1 Asemvs ' x I 1 and at Springfield, - 92 _ Q. ~{92.-J9 Illinois. a PPGars 8 to be above the average miner in intelli ence " F P9292 F is CO-0ncr8tiV£*, - ' and it 15 felt WOU.lG make a satisfactory witness It is noted that he was not working at Mine "B" from l934.Lntil 1940. He was rehired at Mine "3" in 1934 after an absence of several months. However P341. would not allow him to work and as a result he felt bitter toward PM-.. bra is noted 1940. that USC.R m-'1.n'r1ished F LCETTI was the awarefollowing of this trouble statement.when he rehired "Springfield, 11l_ Sept_ '7, 1943 - . -. the following voluntary statement to both of whom have identified them- the Federal Bureau of Investigation. No throats or promises have been made to me to induce me to make a v_92{-Ir statement. ~1§%-E . 5&7: .?- -A-F:. Dom _; and came to the tI.s. .--1.II ' {'2' I - " 3; 4? Iv . H _ a U. S. citizen and presen y reside at . ._,_, 3._-7'.'.-'. .4 . I am not employed at the present time. " furs- ' 1 111 started working for 1--Fine B in the first Progressive Convention in 193 . it this time in Spring- .., field the men in the United Tine getting pretty sick of the U.L:{.1'.'. .. lot oi the men were being kicked out of their jobs and put on the road for minor reasons. The men in United figured if they for-med a new union their troubles would be over, but it didn't turn out that way. The men then started Progressive in about 1932. :2 . _- The Progressive and militant members of United flocked to the Pro-- gressive and it S92-_-92:!HGd to have a good start to be the best union. iii; "The fro.;rt-ssive element seemed to fall off after April of 1934 .§.2' " £< the U.I-5..-. union seemed to be grow-ring.s I left Kline 3.1:: 1934. .-hen I left I-Zine B it Sm.-mCd to re as though the union officers of progressive were a bit weak and didn't seem to be able to lead the common membership. The local never seemed to be able to control s.""" the men and keep them in line as far as my opinion goes. The union . seemed to be getting along OK with the coznpangr though up till the time I left the company at least. - 1 Ir "__ll the time I was in the Progressive union I was trying to have that union organize all the miners and unify them for a common 3 _ C . ._ . W cause to- ?;--.ii; . ti..,1..h:'.~ EI - .._ . _ .,__I:_.__ left .$:;i_;..2 1!1;;s L_J;~:q-92 Q 11;, .. 19.» wt __-1.2: to _' came oac o ihne B in aboui"¬="'or hovem6Eriani"*92to my job back at Mine B. I saw Oscar Falcetti and he gave me my job back. Then I went up to the Progressive union meeting and was told -39- .- _ ~- - ,--,_ __92,,_,;._ ~I"4 .. D, ¥,.. F , ,1 ,|.1,.,,_,, .. _.,, IQ'v"W-"*I~Y-7_id1_Y9292_ ,,_ ..._-- _._.,,-~t~. 7.. -in _=»|lq ---.. 92- -.1, _--_--- .- --- 1_. . __ _ __ _: __ _ _ J _ , _. ._ _ ..._. _ __,,______._ ii ...:i.:______i -_. s __.__._.....__ iii.-_.. :_ _;__-...... :- ._.__ _._._ii__.__.._...i __ _ __ . M. O

R0. Jam L. Lens. ET AL. J -~. ._ ' IQ L1 1 .. , . -.- --"' Le 7 no 2% INT 7" H that I was behind in my dues and they didn't consider me a member in good stlnding. I had worked at Mine B ontinued! one day when the pit commttee told Falcetti I was

-92- not ingood standingat theunion thatandI should go to the unioi and striighten it out. Jhen I got to the union hall I talked to of Progressive and asked him if I could be reinstated. He said I c0§Ia5'! start out at Mine 3 while other Progressives were out of work. He more or less evaded the direct question as to my reinstatement and in my .1»' 3. opinion the frogressivcs didn't want me to get beck in the uion or work . -- -_,; 1 at Kine B. .-all : "I drewupappeal an the from decisionand itmailed tothe Nationalll 92 Secretary, Mr. Keck, at Gillespie, but I never got an_answer. I was going é to fight the cssc, but node up my mind I would never join Progressive again and in fact was quite mad at rrogressives. I worked at EPA and odd jobs from 1934 to the fall of 1940. i "In the fell of l9LO, I knew there was a little trouble at the .' mine 8 was told by SOmC of the men that United was in majority E that I ,,f_g:;'.*-=r¥could probably get e job out it Hint B. I called Falcetti and asked him if I could have u job. He told me I could always have a job at Kine B fi and asked me if I had a card. He knew that I had some trouble with progressive and I Suppose he was referring to that when he asked me abou$92 1 - ,1- the card. He asked me if I could get n card and although he didnlt say .92.. ,..V. it, I took it for granted that he wanted to know if I could get a union card in United, Then I wont out to the nine I was approached by Joe ' - .1-1-A,-L nlbenose who Jskcd ms if I wanted to join United. Nobody told me to see '*=.:r Joe, but he woe on top near the tipplc and asked me to join. It is al- § C most a matter of policy for all ndncrs unions to have a men on top whose if . 3; job it is to see all new men and try to sign them up. I joined the U.M.". 'r at that time. I heard that there was a lot of fighting going on at Mine B from 1939 until 1941, but I p;rsonally never saw any fighting, - i.- "I workedat Z-Jiue B from1940 Dur-until ing the time I was the mine snd before the election, I persona y "-d talked to some of the men and talked to them about joining the U.M.n. In my opinion there isn't room for two unions in the coal mining business a~i and as far as I'm concernedI would bc_sotisfied iimthe U;,1;;_ ~$ the it .1 Iv .1 La.- ' I *§3t%@§%%;@§£§%§e§$f$HQ*e%n£F§fQd%%§%¥EF?T1n8' ''i' B *'~ I in 1-4-'= '1-. I :11-Z o ic e -on't know of ' in;* trinsictionst P ' " or -eals' which aroused my sus-

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"I believe that Falcetti worked at the Bremerton mine in 1934 when Ilshoff was appointed receiver. The mine was then under progressive I believe. I don't know anything further about Felcetti working at that mite at any other time. I did hear that the men were only paid 75% of their wages, but I don 't know who got the balance. ; J " . >1 .-v.-/h1 I t!!! i+f.i~ I xas ven some poor by the progressives '4" and that he would give me a job because he felt I was entitled to one. 1- '-,1. :- I voted in the NLRB election in Feb. of 1941 and everything seemed to be all right at that tine. I have read over this entire statement of 6 pages and wish to state it is true to the best of my memory. -,-.-.- ';-t e /S/I Hit-messes .. 9--~ .' ; 53$ . W_-A :3' /54% ! Special gents, FBI uni ;_;-_j'-~.~'~.;=; - U.S. Dept_ of Justice__"

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=1» = er :1. W H, was interviews a s one on eptem r 2, 1943, by Special Q ." d¬f~ I. 1 '-. _-gentsand - speaks Eh-nglish very well and is able to understard an answer qucs ions asked of him. He expressed -~_-,3, llj-5 willingness to testify in court if necessary. =ad.-mltted that he has been arrested several times for drunkenness, but denied anv her crimina'J. record. The following signed statement was obtained from

- ""pringfield, Ill. _i September 2, 191.3 $ "ii ..- "" the following whom I voluntary statementknow to be Specialto Agents . o- Bl_1;"9& on, oi my own iree will, with 51:: . fig 'no threats or promises made to me.

S ringfield, Illinois. apes5 I was borr. I am not employed at the a mine uion, the United uh en employed at Mine B. I remained a -.1 Mine Workers, member of that 1932, when I joined the Progressive Mine aorkers. I took no part in the organization of the P.M.A., but joined it when the rest of the men at ljine B did. As I re- " F9 mcmber it, the P.H.n. was organized by tho men in 1932, because -. x . ~31.. 1?: of certain ballots supposed to have been stolen. Lewis had tried __r'1' .% to sign a contract with the mine operators, making the minors t '2' take a reduction in pay. The minors voted on the question, but ._ _.¬ before the vote could bu counted, the ballots had disappeared. -..-_-, {.- Lcwis signed a contract with the mine operators at a lower wage, 4-. thus forcing the men to go back to work at a l0Wu!." wage scale. The locals of U.H.W,, because of this, stayed away from the U.MJ§., and swung over to P.H.... nnien that union was organized. I was s dissatisfied with the U.M.I. even before this time, because I A. E didn*t think the U,M,?, was doing all it_could for the non. _ .1 "'1- _, ; R, ', . .'. . "I was entirely satisfied with the P.T£.n. and with the way 35:. . the way the P.Ilf.i.. was rm by its 0ffiCO!5. The P.}.!.a. always made the optrators of Mine B live up to the terms of their con- -1. ;,.;.;.-. 1... tract, and always treated the men squarely. I don't remember of .i=' J trouble between the mine management and the P.,!_-1,», between 1932 and the strike in 1937. i "The only thing I can remember about company favoring of any ' / union was one time when l._l!£!.5Jalking.tn.@_91L1|J@ri§-*t@d@f11i,' pT,o*>?4 V 1».-1,I.~¢:=.%..1=,n1.; IH§ e ;.>.m,.;no Wu. it Iie._eiid.i1e.. P_Q11la._ set /""' better go ond1t,io{@_s,y®.&I -__ than out of P,M.a. , that the

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I .;ai§§' F---Q1"Ih;;_ Cont us strike in 1937. lb one else ever spoke to me about ."' . Q-:&_ d ~4.,._...is? joining the U.M{U. before the strike in 1937. . ,1-'.--._; _ :;.1" if L' -~ _ "I remember seeing a notice of a special meeting to be held by 3' Q 53. 3: ;':_-,;'.§-3 -H ';. :-' the P.M.A. on the night before the stike. This bulletin was placed on ~;¢§73;-,3 the bulletin board at the mine. I did not attend the meeting, and '1?» .-:*-=-. - don't remember why the meeting was held, although it might have been to 3 discuss the terms of the contract to be signed by the P.M.A. with Llshoff. % . 1 : -v 1}" "On the day of the strike, we were called out, as I remember, about J-. 4 J-,--. .. I4->1;-,1: T Ann !-l- P71!-92T.f -Z 1' 4- 1--n_1 II92fQ92P92 1-1'r;v92r; .-x:._-2,. UULJ U 'L..LULl'92-0 ,1. Ll92J.l..l V I92-ll-LI" J--L UIAC lJ]rl1 I"-I1 J called out by the P.H.a. or by ,92_.- the management. I don't remember hearing anything about the cause of the .-H-r-.'. - §*:I-"A.,,-__ strike, and I don't recall any of the men loading their cars short on that _.-,. day. I don't remember hearing any talk about U.M.U spies being discharged. 71 . ,,_ 7 7 '- -,1-.1-. _ "I don't remember getting any notice that the mine would be re- - opened before the fall of 1939, when it actually did open. In Scptcnbr Of ,4.-T1!j"3_*_::1937, when the nine attempted to open, with U.M{H. men also to work, the ..'__v_w_~-P.M.A. agreed by vote, to picket the mine and not allow any U.H.h. man to work it. The purpose of the picket lino was to keep the management ?"> -_ of Mine B from using U.H.~. men, and allowing then to take over the jobs of the'P.M.a. men. I remember that some of the men who were in the U.M.U. ,2; .;,,;-~ - at that time, and wanted to go down in the mine, were Bohannon, Hale, Pas- ., Zr.-A .,,. .. "- --. _ quale, Carter, austin, and some others whose names I can't remember. At 3->gfI_ _. the time of the federal injunction, in 1937, I felt, as did most of the men, that its purpose was to get us off the mine property. I was on the '....'1.==:e-picket line, and saw only Zine B men there. after the union vote, we oz ided on the picket line, but no one was forced to go out to the 1--i nl.r.-L 'I~iv~/-92 I'.i--".11./J.924l'92. ,LJ.l1L7g :I; - =<~:??*':3"In December of 1937, I saw a notice in the paper that there was to f?@ be.an election held by the labor board. I also heard about the election _ _ V _ ___ _, ,__ _ __,L__ ,,___ .... _. _. __ _:i ,_. _ _~__- ,._-- -- .---- . >-~_-_--..-r ------1.n_-:~-:i;- ---: ~i-:~,~~_nnd- tr ~~ - ~ i . :4. I

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"In the fall oi 1939 I heard through the P.M.h. officials that '35-? the mine was going to reopen. I think they said that the nine would reopen mder a U.M T; ntract. bout one week before the nine opened, .' 9'": % 92TQ Bohannon arndicame to my house, and asked me to join the U.-"lE.f¢". 0- o They told me that all he men were going U.M.'--. and I had better join up if 1 wanted to work. side from that, they did not use any threats. I - - l,-sfmt? f :--- I told them I didn't want to sign up, that I didn't want to work in coal =i a;v.- " mines any more. hhun I went back to work, in the fall of 1939, I just . +51 cleaned up some of the work left at the time of the strike, not taking H101"; thin :1 couple of days, and then quit. I had some loose coal, that had been shot, and wanted to load it, and get credit for it. I also thought that sooner or later the mint would go back U.l.!.--. and - didn't have any .;_ 92 use for the 15.1.1. -1. I also wanted to get out oi the mines and into some- fr L 1 thing else if I could, - ' '- Z 92 I . _ , I __é* "One day in town, after I quit the mine, I saw one of the men, [92 1! , who was hurt. I asked 1-hat had happened, and was told that he had at up in the mine. I heard of others who were beat up, but I can't '."- @- 7- a remember their names did hear that they were beat up because they |- ,-_= didn t want to join the 11.11.», ' -- f-5"; . '_ 5- Q,-',-1;_= "I remember hearing, while the strike was going on, that Elshofm :§_.!. .i E;- told Den 1ieGill and that he never would Sign another § contract with the P.n.... I also more somewhere that the Ifine B manage .'-;=*@=and the U.M,-1. men had a beer picnic, but I don'tknow the time and . place, or any more about it. "I did not vote in the election of 1941, and never joined the :5 " U.!.I.".i. - " W!"; E . "I Know that there was no posi tthe mine before the strike ' < '$-51'" for an air-checker. it-ftf the strikt-,had a job called that, and I heard that :1 person had to see him you 1 cmted to get a job at liine B. _ in Z1 . "3- The above Statement, consisting oi approximately five and a quarter pages, has been read to me, and I state it is true to the best of my knowledge. M ._ "' -1 itn<.ss' Q ,.§..w,k_ ,. _ /Sf ______,__m_ __i .._,., .. _____,,_ ,_ __;.i,_~~ -»~_:---- 7- e_1e-;_-:_,- ;;9+--;_' ; r >4 -'-¢: ' "-'- in-I1".-l"*> W ," --; F , O

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_ r a :_.-I _ _. r.?*'. 3 92_.92r' 57.0 Q A *5 _ '5 U I INTERVIET I " ' I Springfield. - e I1 ino s, wa inerviewe a me on I-3 =|1 A: 1 ; -=1 '1 1943, by Special Agents : _ . .1 peaks English very poorly, an 15 a e to uners -- J _. ,.--1 gn y when spoken very slowly and plainly. He can write only his name. He expressed his willingness to testiiy in court on this matter, and oleimed _ _' that he never has been arrested. I P _' YII -1;. L The fo1_'Lo'v.'in{_ is the signed statement as eiecited by P; fri-~ "Springfield, I11. September 3, 1943 2" make the following voluntary statement whom I know to be sneciel A __ga ents of the , oi my own free will, with no threats 5 er- or promi ses made as , > I was and entered the United States ir. zen -v-- ..,... B we work at the Panther Number 4, and live 5.. ~ .1 .4! Springfield. "I joined the United Line Workers in Springfield in- and us - F 1 remained a member of that union until 1932, when I joined the Progressive Nine J-Yorkers of America. In January of 191.1, I joined the U.li.TJ. Again, -3;-. and was a member of that union until I quit Mine B, and went to work at .- 12* Panther Creek. I am now a member of the P.hI.A. again. As I remember, the ,1} . PA-.'.A. was formed because the men didn't like the idea of Lewis accepting ,..' J 1.5., ., lower wages for the men ag£|iSt their wishes. 5.-."= .' Q1, ii ax.- .=-'":".i'I:-* "The P.1i.A. union was a good one. The union looked out for the men's interests, and treated them fair and square. Although I didnt go to many meetings, I was entirely satisfied with the P.tI.A. From 1932 to 1937, I didn't know of any trouble at the mine between the mine and ' Elshoff. ' '

"I don't remember enything about a P.LI.A. meeting the night before the strike. On the day of the strike the men all went down into the mine. Tfhen the I-line Management let some men, who were kicked out of the P.I!.A. because of U.I.f.?:'. work go down into the mine, the men, members of P.M.A., began loading the cars short. The union officials hadn't told the men to do this, but the men did it on their own. About two o'clock, the .. I.-WlI__..I.-_ - _.7-_e._., "7-_-__~- --- _------~+- 1mm---~A~~~1~ _,_,p-I- - -- _-rl--I--F" d"A' " - ~_

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' '0 '- . " Y came -to me t'h-at summer, at any time before I went back to ,6 .' work, and tried to get me to join the U.H.U. In December -43 T of 1937, at an election, I voted for the P.M.A., because I , liked that union, and didn't like the U.H.W. ~: . w-5 9- _ 5 . "I started work at Mine B again in December of 1939; Almost every day HI men came to me and talked to me and tried t t me to join the U.l£.TT. I don't remember who they were except one was They all told me 1*that : ?' if I didn't sign with U.H.T. I'd lose my job: ina y joined the U H0 I J U, Q ". _; '~;, sometime before the election of 1941. I joined only because I was afriad I would lose my job if I didn't.

"Right after I joined the U.I-.1."-T. I ms given a different place to work.- 5 in, mus? worese than the one I had before- and was told that ii I didn't like it I could quit my job. In the election df 1941, although I was a member of ohm U.H.T., I voted for the P.7T.A. because conditions were 100?; better under ,5 I" .3-_ :¢- --n1, the P.LE.A., and I liked that union much better. Under the P.bE.A. I had better , -Q. :i .-1'. - 1 -92 h rooms, and conditions were much better. *7. _ §_l'.1-.1.-' '-51-F-w. ?. -T-,. "One day, after the election,=md another man came to 1 {Q »£ ' _I my room in the mine, grabbed me by the ems, an wanted to know why I said kl rl ! that I had been made to join the U.L.T. They didn't hurt or threaten me, and, when I told them I hadn't said it to anyone, they left, I never did 5 tell anyone I was made to join the because I was afraid to say any- 1 thing like that, because I know I would have been beat up if I did. . ',5; MT. "In September of 1937, when they tried to open up the mine, we went out to the mine to go to work. Falcetti asked the president of the P.M.A. 9292 to for work 50 men the to mine. open the Fnlcettimine. told The him president that he, said Felcetti, he would didn't {jive him want100 P.E£.A.men _. men, he Wented U.H.T. men. He srid he wouldn't open the mine if the U.M.F. 2; - §T¬.-<-. men didn't come in to work it. I heard Falcetti say this at Mine B in Septem- ber of 1937. I wont on the picket line at that time, because I wanted to, :._;, -"and not be cause anyone forced me. I didn't see anyone there who wasn't a ~ Mine B man. <-- 1.. --t.» '1| =5?" "I after he was beat up in the nine. He Was beaten 1 L _ <, 4 b;~.ce.use_ he didn't want to join the U.id.'". ~.""-J .zJ5'i"'I'>- ~~. _ a- "I have had the fore,-oing, consisting of about three and a half . 'I sages, read to me and I state that it is true to the best of 1-cnowledge. was present when this was read to me. "---" - 7 _ S " 5 11%-nq =--~*-=~.-;~"~.-;":-"-_.- ,- I '-...'. 1; e-as;-¢;";.-.11f#?,%%~;'» -

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A Re: JO?-W L. Lewis, ET AL. L'7c/ é>7.oe INTERVIEW WITH who has also used the name :- ewed at his home '1. 3 E 1-=5 Q .-92 1 agen ! SH 3, by Special -3 explain elear and was not able to u ~1 92. .-.. it is believed 4 lib ."-5 that he worked a rentice under ., usedname on 4 Englis a r y well, . _w hiswork pap¬rS. able iS to - .-1., but is able to express himself only in simple te e claims a a limited reading and writing ability in English aid he is .1-*: willing to testify :i_n court. He stated that he has never been arrested. " ".-F; . eta; The following signed statement was obtained fronzg .3? 92'1.Q1'r'i -p.-ng-ie_-, f" Trl- T11___= .1.-_ ~._r Sept. 2, 1943 _. _L H; -.1 - . --_-.5 " - uif,-1 H1 » also 1. iv 1'-he *- following vulun arj a ement to anc . whom I know to be Special Agents o ' e eral Bureauo - ation, -. . _ "of my om. free will, with no threats or promises made to me. var . e *1 ' . . | <_,__.~ .,I» r._ I presently live at , Springfield, Illinois, $335.--- J_4im_~¢T-;Am re on the mine lists as 92._|- Q "1. f ch name I men ame "to

.2 had the experience. when lie left the mines, I used his -e pa.p8I'5 - _ _, "I was born in - I entered the United State a.nd became a natlized ci izen at Spring- joined field. 111.. in a union, uner the petitionUnited numbercertiilcate Mine "¢"'~ ox-Eers in %andnumber :.-.-I " {$31318 a member until 1932 when I joined the Proressi e Ziine f-1? -' workers of America. I began , work at Hine 3 in -Z5" 1- '..92-.P'l>.' -- I Joine '§?"-I?=n--1: "' the U,1_{, 1', just after the election in February 19,-" 11' en t e U.H.'. .929- : *7. . 1;? W011. ;.e.@-.._ 5 EL 4: § "I Joined the P.M.A. because the majority of the men were in favor of it. I didn't take any active part in organizing the P.H.A., but just went along with the men, I was never an officer in any mien. From 1932 to 1937, I saw or heard of no trouble between the P.M.a. and the management, and I did not know of any bad feeling in the union, on the part of the men against the officers of the P.M.A., or anything like that, I went to some of the P.M.A. meetings, but not very many. The I ..__ -._.,.. __._-.....,__...... _.._ __._ e~ ._»~~ ~:;-,- ~~~¢_-= > e 4-¢ - »-4-k -1 '~e+-u.nns|I...¢------:_- 1------"nanti-.n,~ i ~~ s~ ---~

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,,_ _- 575' V I-1; 1 JTERV ' .u TH P.M.A. tried to cbthe best it could for its members, and 2- was run all right. Cont us-

QQQ I do not remember going to any P.H.a. meeting the night before §§§ the strike. I don't remember if a notice of the meeting was posted or not, and I don't know the reason for the meeting. A day or so before the strike, - It-rt in 1937, I knew that there was going to be a strike. A couple of men told me there would be one, but I don't remember who they were or exactly what _ + -__; I. 1-. fin. they said. Because of this I din't go out to Ine B on the day of the strike, so I don't know what happened that day.

"I don't remember Slgning any paper for the F.H.A., or for any union, in the summer of 1937. I do know that I was not asked to join the U.M.H., either before the strike, or during the summer of 1937.

"I don't remember any notices being sent no about the mine being reopened. I did picket at the nine in the fall of I937, when the other -3 3; P.H.A. men mid, but I was not forced to. I did it because I Wanted to be '-35:-_';'_".§uith the majority of the men. I do not remember seeing any non there who An" '11° were not working, or had been worki;g, at Kine 3. I do not know the* #5 - 9,1!_, _... reason we were picketing, but I do remember that we heard of the federal ~'. injuction several days before the U. S. marshal came out to the mne. 1 ,- 3-t-, e,' .-.. -. 7 "In 1937, I remember that I voted in the election held at the state _ 5 armory. I don't know how I knew aoout the election, but I do know I voted for P.H.A., because I thought it was the better of the two uions. Ho '" one made me vote at the election, but I did it of my own free will. E ...;

.3-:1 "I don't remember exactly, but I think that I hoard about the re- I. :i"" 3 -.' A.".- opening of Bins B in 1939 over the radio. I don't remember getting any __,1.;>' _i:.I - Pl.-. notice from the mine management or from the union. I was sick at the - b time and think I started back to work at line 8 in 194C. About a week after ._r _A I started back to work, some nan I d1d't know came to me and told me I .2», -= ought to join the U.M.h. because they were going to run the mine. I 1.. =* r. told him I wouldn't join up right away, out would when I thought the majority :1,92I». ,_i. i=- of the men wanted that union. This is the first time anyone ever talked to . .*~>£='- me about the U.M.1., and I never was threatened in any way. I joined the .' ',%...~:-."*-F 1' f V *-2;--.4 U.H.Y. about two weeks later, because I thought most of the men wanted it, 5 -'f"& ..F' and I would have to, to keep my job. No one ever told me that I would 9* 2 ,2:-' " lose my job if I did't sign up with the U.M.s. If anyone had said so, I would have quit. es it was, I joined without any threats being used.

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it better than the U.1£."i. Today, however, it makes no difference to me which union is in. I just want to work, and keep my job. "The abovestatement hasbeen readto me in the presence Q1"? # and 1'.tat- tha I »-= t it is tjlu ~12r hut to the best of my 10101!- leage. 1s statement conslsts of about four pages.

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- __,__ 3 111. 4, fr '- 7 September 4, I943. . Y92 -Y _ 25 ll -fit the following voluntary statement'b . e ' -; -_ _ '':. -;__-;n.;;_=,-r i.*"~"~;. - , ~_"_ a who are Special Agents of the Federal if ;..v.; 2 ,_' .' - - _ _. ' E ..92 Bureau of Invest on. r promises of any kind have been made = "e. to get me to make a statement. r A $7 _r92 W m- ' "V "§;3=I-F 2- '--ii? n 32$ '.--..-.. T?- iql I began workingin coal mines at Ill. about r I J9 ?""'-I-"'--Y joined UM? at that time and remained such unti 1 2 when I joino .M.A. -"J I was working at Panther Crock Mine #1 at that time and our local voted to 1 .._ ~;~,-,_ change to PEA and then the mine shut down. I did not work in the mines after that until I started at Mine "B" in 1936. L. - '2 I knew of no trouble at Mine "B" when I first started to work ,--.:- there but a month or so before the P.H.A. contract ran cut, I remember some I. I ;¬_ in one tolling m that U.M.3. was attempting to sign up the miners in UNI. A 21;} little late! a man named gtold me that the shot firer whose name was -."' . __ if,,-: 1 'AA. 4---2.3 -,~ "Jimmy" was asking the men to join U.M.h. and that I should watch my step but he never did ask me to join U.M.B. /

':~_i "During this time I heard that Joe nlbanese, Andrew Schrelevious, E . Dominic Pasquale, Pete Carter, Frank Austin, Tony Fletch, John Ananias, John P; Sirtout, Charles Bohannon, James Halo, were all working as spies at Mine "B" "-5 but none of them ever approached me to get me to join U.M.NZ before the strike in 1937- ¢__.;' Y4: P I 1 ., * "I did not know any of those men had been expelled from P.M.A. -L1*, *4:-" ' at the time of the strike and I did not hear that we were supposed to load S: s cars short on the day of the strike. I worked a full day and loaded all ":-:- -1: cars the same as I had been and had two cars loaded in the mine which were - letor hoisted when the mine was opened for one day by U.M.E. I learned that the mine was on strike the next day when I went to work the next day. I learned that the reason for the strike was because the men refused to work

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Iprmgytnz LTTH with those men who had been expelled, and that tbB92" men were expelled for trying to organize for U.l.E.92 fr-r A 1L '1 signed a petition for P.H.A. about two weeks after '{F1 the strike . '1-':"¥ :3 , . . ' '1 don't reeell signing any other petitions in the sumer of 1937. 11 if eon I sew in the paper that the mine was to reopen and I went to the mine with %;2- my bucket expecting to go to work but when I got there these 12 men or so were lined op et the company office with Oscer Feleetti and the P.H.A. men '13: _ refused to work with these 12. I did not hear any comments by fégeetti at that time but Felsetti did tell me at my home one time while the mine was in P closed that he didn't think Kine "B" would ever open up under P.M.A. contracttx .2- §2;.* 1-*' -te E "I picketed at hine "B" until we were served with an injunction- =2: -.4-; Only Kine "B" employees were pickoting.

"I voted in the N.L.R.B. election in 1937 and in my estimation =."'-I-5the election wee fair end conducted in e satisfactory manner! He went in groups from the P.M.A. hnll to the election and there was no vience at this ;___,_ .- , time that I know of, nor were we threatened at anytime during the election. ,;';?;. Her? There was en attempt to open the mine again shortly after the in . i _ = election but only 18 men who were U.M.W. went down the shaft and the rest -% ;R of us refused to work with them. .2 ' "I then got a job in February, 1938 at Panther Creek No. 5 Mine 4. 3' and em still employed there. I em still e member of P.N.A. end I have not held en office in any union, 51. IQLVEI "About Christmas, 1937, Pete Carter and another men unknown to me : came to my house attempting to get me to join Uh so the mine could be _. 4 opened but I refused because I like FHA better than Us 92 '-'. "I have had this 4 page statement reed to me bf tr ;A _._ ._M and it is true and correct to the best of my knowledge. 1

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Re: JOHN L. Lens, er AL la? Q_/ 1? 0 . -Y mvim YIITH ie]. Agent! * *° t inks- I much as he had always been interested in tioal aotivities .- _ __ he had many enemies within both uni in very brgging ' tones of his political oonneotions. in an intelligent manner, is but set it forth is not below believed the following he w signed reliable sttement witness. executed Thereby

It "Springfield, Ill = fig 9-745. -.. . . _4, make the following voluntary statement to _5:. both of whom have identified themselves the Federal Bureau of Investigation. No 5 1" Q- threats or prcmises have been m-do to induce me to make any statement. gt; :2 _ st "I was born I started in working es a m ner in eboutpmdand presently live joine he . .11. at that time. I have held various of 1065 in the =5;-r U.11l.'='|. but can't remember the dates. I haven't been going to union ; j meetings .f he past month or two. I recall new that I started minin in: and sj;ar__ek_B if W*.J_;lcgd .. B. £r

'5- ; "I believe it was in 1938 or 1939 that I went buck to $5 _ .~_.. Mine B and worked for a few __ ;_ {he the state went progressive § - 11 111 . .. 1954 I11?--~=-. J1',~l.'=*-'.-"-.-'.,.I"-"i-t- - T" - -=. I W" Elven- "1 h°11°1" l _"-. 1, E-ry oar-d ' 'in '-- - *-1» ogress ve.;i,:q. t--r ~'_.,,_==- »v».-.--.l. s1» - mean-' _,,-_;+.,--- I __,,_ d=" -= 111 It have to pay _ f_ -Q dues in the union and made it sure that a man wouldn't lose his job. .'' _,.__ ,_. I,»-_ 11I believe it was in April of 1940 that I started working .: = -1 at Mine B again and have worked there ever since. When _I started buck at the mine I thought that my card in plOg1"83SiV6 was still good. -"I The progressives told me at first I would have to pay _.~»§§{ a fee of $25 and when I objected they lowered it to $10. This r. was supposed to be an initiation fee for now miners and since I .;._-;-,-, didnt think I should oven pay $10 I told them so. I was finally .'- ; accepted as a member in g00d standing of progressive and I believe -9 -, I paid dues for about three months. "To the best of my rooolleotion I had worked at the mine _Lt least a month before I even inquired about my ste_tus with progressive.

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-., .-L gs: .101-mL. Isms, ET :xL. - J.-. 92. L-9£'C/ _..-d & e=-sol oiued* WITH /ado . My hearthad alwaysmore or1ess-been with United Mine Workers so after about 4 months I decided 4-~ -*_ to join U.HJ'i.pressure No wasput on me to join end no threats were ever made against I180 .

*1 an me--: hod made on egrorinent with we» pmgw 31+ ..-:v-* that if either of the two got more votes than the then s would throw his s '=--3.?-"" - :T"_»_;-'»;1f>§gi

..;, -'. 1:.3.' '5.- " .7 17 92. ';-u-571- gsI. " - .>4"¥$ @- {IL 1.?§' :-I; .. -- 1. _;§ '-- -_ -, ,w ;f' » ,-.,=_-5 E3 51. s "Nobody evertold meI ha-dto be nmemberof unyunion toget 0. jobat I-lineB. The progressive men askedme tocane tom6eting8_ 1 _' 5'».- out nothreote weremade ugei.-estme to join any union. I joined the we United in 1940 becauseI figured I would be with the mnjority. -3"-.1 "I have rend over this entire statement of 4 puges and it I:' ¥=r. -H-Li I -3; is true to the best of my memory- !"' ti 1 .'.7'~-'92.I§"=?"-.3" I ' '21 "1?

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Re: JOHN 1.. LEWIS. ET AL b 7 C/' Z4 7 12 '. . myi -. . ,,-_ 1;-e .2 _ 1' -:_;s-.1 -"1-TH springfil, -»-r" _ _ _ _ _1__._._ '~._+_ '- questions 1 92 22 but gave ss on ou avoided making replies that would be -PL, .. -, helpfml to the government's case. From personal contact with this person -WI he does not appear to make a desirable government witness. He executed the A.92 3 following signed statement. ,Eii=.ii'§;f.'"- 1}. , I '4,-=-- 92 ;:-:-'# 3" Springfield, Illinois ¥ .1"?-"'7'Y ' 2 : September 6, 1943. i 7| -' 11 "' I " . make the following voluntary statement to .-.' L-ti? H and ' " whom I know to be Special Agents of the Federe.1Bueau of ';= '5, .5. Department of Justice.

1*" -;-:1: ::»=:=..=- -"1-i"':~l';'.'iY,:=i.;. ;<=;%;~... *'_=1'-;;=iJ===.;,;-.;.. -o I J-=: in **:-- -. ix}. I 3 -v "1 esentl employed at Mine "B" Spring1':|.eld., Illinois and living at .1- pringfield, Illinois. . es. "The first mine union I joined was the United Mine Tiorkers of - morics. union wich will -v Illinois. be referredabout t einafter as and tho worked UMN. at I the it .___.;_ time CoalI Comrglllinstarted wor ing a t-:'l-4051 wor o Co. at until fourotherthe time mines: I startedom t e working at Mine "B". -4 ll two years "1 laterwhichstarted working was about éat Mine "B" inI returned toOctobord work at Mine 19:": "B" theretwo months later in worked mm er the UMP; during the above periods. liri 2'45. 4 ' " 1'-.*<' *i§!!_ ?.?§ .r - - V. ' ..» - »_~ T; E91:-IA pk

%%r-*l- -i.~*-5'-._I¥$ __- .~'-j- I J; 14' -I" ii." j "As for as I I-cnow relations between Elshoff and the U255 prior to ~+4 -'i . 1932 were good and the same applies to the relations between Elshoff and -. the Progressive Mine Tiorlcers of America which will be referred to hereinafter as PMA from 1932 to the Spring of 1957. _ ___ ,______k_! _ ___ .. ..._._____...__ _= ._ l-.__..e4-I-_-_ - e -- e-4:ee4 "7 e~-____u--~~--~**w-~--n|=---n.a~er- 4;;----'1-;- -1:-J +- - - or-"fr ' - -: '~,. o , 0

L. '">,. Re: JOHNL. LETIS,ET AL U " I a~_92- 1 /@170 4 4%! INTERVIEL ZITH "I voluntarily joined the run in 3eptember, 1932. I liked the PJLA. and felt I was getting more benefits .1e,_ under the PEA than under the Ulf, but I do not care - -1:. ~ which union I belong to-_

"I knew the following miners who worked at Hino B prior to the o1ose~down in Hey, 1937:. Joe Llbonese, Andrew Sehrelevious, Dominic F Pasquale, Pete Carter, Frank Austin, Tony Plotch, John Cotton! Ananiaa, --.* John Sirtout, Emory Jeoaway, Charles Bohnnnon, James Hale, and Cudge I1 Bumgarner.

"I never knew that any of these men aggitated or organized for UHH before the strike in May, 1957. Before May,_l937 I was never contacted by anyone to got me to join UHW. "I reel that Pm had the majority at Mine B from 19.32 until the '<,'.;.»- strike in May,-1957.

, 4. "I em not familiar with the wage scale controversy in the Spring " 5-t! 4:.K __ -,r_'{ _,.. of 1937. :4;1-._ ,..A -Ve "I did not attend the PMA meeting of May 11, 193?-

. =1,»- .- :1 "I have never attended many union meetings before I become a ,;. .-'4. t. trustee of the UHF. " 4.u "~"-w . - e .-= > l. '.l___- .-l _,,!,,",1-.!-92_§-,- §3§.§£",E-=.-,'.f one-.*.-*1-._.=., I; -'-.-.;:| -..,qs.-; : -.o;-:..: _ ..; 1! .e t q.._ z -.». ,1.-I-Q5;-.92_,- -o.-== '.; .» e .~ ...,_.~... t . _'.=.,-,e.. . -'»:1.@£>e1_ '_'.v 3, ~ .=. » ._ ,- ~ -- I - ' o M t -,;~ "3. ;¥§:.;i-=-t ---~..'».e.| 3=1':f- -re='r:" ' *1 1,.r-it _. 1 ., I .. -'8 'I noticed on etee§"¬r1pon y I18 I = gt? - . . =1-2--E--eh-:-n '- " Q Ky e m ne wor ed in May, which was May 12th,_that the coal cars were :__ '-'_ not know the reason for this. I noticed the 1- being loaded short. I did ." men were uneasy, but I did not know why-

"I was at Mine B '?Tt during the picketing, and stood around the yard -ri - with the other PEA men. I did not work. 1-_,.- 92- ~ lo "I do not remember the FHA petition of May 26, 1937, and I do .4 ge :1 '-F" not recall any other petitions being circulated that summer. I do not ag- remember any of the oeooesions Mine B tried to reopen, I did not go the '_.e;S, the mine when it triedtomre-opene ~__

ye"?___;,... "1 started back to work in Inoe B. in November, 1939, as a member of Halo

"I joined the UM? sometime after I started back to work in November. 1939- and before the second N.L.R.Be election in February, 1941-

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Re: JOHN L. LEWIS, ET AL v-"-2 ~ /a"!<:/ .w ' W20

'r nm':92ru1r'r t'92"" T - n 92,., . n49? "'i"l--.-it-. I JILL! .l- T svuus u-:_+uv-nnans +1-92 vu was-92r "van. U-U n+ 'lJ-inn lI1.l.a4ubVI R 92n 41.0 92Intr|=.m1sl'4'l'_ -vrvnl-rvn 1Q3Q_-1" - Ft: fe I saw a lot of miners starting to work there that I continue had never seen before. I do not know where they came from. Later I found out from conversations I had at the mine that these new men who I did not remember were UH? organizers. I do not mean to include in this group the men whose names I mentioned here- tofore in this statement.

92_ "I would like to relate how I happzed to sign up with UHW. Che ;..,92-.-..:.-..-,. T me l§1.r9292I92Q rvn +1-92.:~. "hn++nm" nf ~l-.1-m m-inn and l'u""R.L92T92TR :-.[].Q'TTY§ ranmg nn I513 |- .. IJQJJ Jjljjb L, IIQQ Qlj_92!A,jW-v 92-fl] 92.lJl.92-I lp'92d 92I 92J92JllL 92-IQ 92Jll92-V ll-I-dell-P 92J92ll92-Iv A ll-ii-III II ¥J- J-I *92-"_l-I if me and asked me whnt I thought about signing up with UHF. I said I_did not 1 _l know, but I would wait to detennine what the rest of the miners did. He told me not to wait. Bo said he did not think the-mine would work if we did not sign up with UMW, but he did not say why. He said if we did not sign up with UEWthe mine would work steady in Mine B. He did not threaten me. "SF?! I have never talked to any minors that had been threatened.

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,4; _.. i: , I never heard there had been a big fire at Mine B or any fire at I V.-!.= -In". the winter of 1942. -11' .=:'.n" -,j_.-_-a__ ="=--.-.'_._ "1 think the results of the first NLRB election held in December, Q 1937, presented a true picture how the miners felt. That eleotion was won

1 *1. I have read this statement consisting of three and one half pages = #--.'. and have initialed the first three gages and it is correct to the beat of llj o -Y my knowledge. . 7-" _.; es:-- is <5! ""_"" 1:2" »en iii " witnessed: r . Specinl J-gent, F.B.I. _ T§@§£@@Qe: J Special Agent, F.B.I. " M HA__ an_,W TV_ _ i i 5 if i__1__V_fi _5 ____ I_ qr _ iii .__ L___. _:______A___--~--- -- __ _ y G O P

RE: JOHNL. Lens, m 4, b Q Q,

. . i . _ , -.- ;. I two -= ,_ INTERVIEW"ms_ the follmi Evestition-B8conducted E ' 7 RJ " Qv-92A a:D_5 °*"* 1'|A "miarc 1 Q1-pf Illino "" scm ep em3, il 1 ._ HE -it hisreside-nee agents interviewed- _} _ and he advised he has never I en___ rres ed in his life . It was - 92q92-Gnoted that he had sane difficulty in understanding Base questions asked

. 1 92. him but was able to give understandable answers» He mentioned he went to ~ T ' 'the I-1 92 second grade and did not have any further education» If his tea '- mone is neoessa it is felt that he will make a fair witness- ¥.'-.92,»'~ . -<-:rJ.- 92 I. -.-."I-_.';-L'_. ." _ -. .~.=1 V ,-_.1--,._,~ .-I-»:_92 ... '~,-' . 1 !__= __:. - .-. _ -_,__. ' . Wm -_-...,._ - _s.,@1__-. .l-...- . .- -- --

- - Agents obtained from him the following signed statement; if -ii! ';.1§= _ 1943 ~ _ -1! - "1, - ekini this free8: volun- '-w I is +.a . ._, 1-" .=:+.[i+.£Ar'1nY'|'h -- --...--.- '+. -- mi; L=3I-;I.- A, _ ho . are_ 7* known to7 me7 '= .='i5 it --5-,.~' to beSpecial agents%f ll?-53. U.!. Dept.0? austloelsNo threats or promises have beenmade me; -I-1 " __!_H y mm . . _. .-, -1- -_-5 -_ I was born '3~ , -11%» -- , M1-_ . .7 P, . _, . * .1 .=:92.,e._ ~p.=~- .-.-.» . .-I 6: I came - to U.S- ____ _. ,1 5--:_ 1 1.?-.11"-_=': if-'-"-.;._.'__'__,92=.:,. ' .- _ _ - -._n_, aboutgs became . .- o oitezen I . u...|L-,. .7 as -_: :7.--, _,1.-at ild_ Ill. I worked or Mine B at Sprin field I11 from0 W Ti,-I_ . '~"' 5 a 0 a1 <1i gge .-':;*;ig;*1v 1" Then I joiU M 0 Q 1 at . in%d: I nevere - any 0 O80I don 't reo L. all of myC V rou 0 beTe ;....~:92' _ tween & U=MJ.T= before 19-32: I r,>nt resell for sure ii Pl-.!1~ dz >1 .J.-e-;.¢.__9292- ELSHOFF got along 0.K. before Mine B closed or if ELSHOFF ounplained *'.. _:-= I--- of P.M.A- Just before the mine closed I hoard from other miners that .. ,_I. < ,._. .-w.JOHN L. LEWIS was giving some moneyto ELSHOFFbut I oa.n'treoell more >-I3. " '92 about it. 11.6 fares I imow PM» officials got nlong O.K. with IPHA - __, g miners. I have no opinion re the bombings by PW. men. _

- ' L; I never attended any P1111 meetingsbent-use they are too far H _ away. 115 fur as I know PMs officials were running tho local 0.K. I of trouble between PM.»-. e LMI! before Mine B closed s -- don; ._...... he-'11" nothing I don'tknow of any spies being there» I never hoard a thing about any sees- 9&1-ties bet. U.M.1?. 8: ELSHOFFor others. I don't reoall much about the Vfg-*¬}?BBti0n at Mine B before it closed as it is such 0- long time 1--go. I lcnow nothing about =1 meeting before Mine B olosed. I ol.n'tre- n ._ cull what happened on day mine olosed as it is so long E-go, and I don't know wlw the mine closed at all as I never paid much Lttention to it! I think I onoe heard Pitawas going to kick out selorl on but I don't think they did it. I heard from' ' the mine 1'8' t}'1Ht*:' :~Ld ;_":[_;:.:t=?_ tO1d them to pet aly a s..o~.oih r '1 $111 e-f ...-..nnn1 in ..--..,... their e£.iT§ !_l_,! '11!-.e BMine

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INT IE? WITH closed. I recall of sigling several petitions for his but I never signed any for B4131. I signed them of '--Ck my own free will A: no one forced me to sign. I can't .=,_~;;._ Laoninlld! -"'3 {-7. recall if Ul lead s petition out in 195'! but I know 1 ...-_.1; . I never signed for them._ I heard something about UH! forming s new local but I never paid any attention to HM! matters at all. In fell of 1937 I was at Mine B because I sew in paper it was going to open under UI192f& FALCETTI wanted to let some UM"; men down but he wouldn't let FHA men down so no one went down dc strike started 6: I went out pert of the time. ."¥ Ye were protecting the property do our jobs. No force was used to make me go out. It was peeceful.. No outsiders were there except local 540' I wes there when M-PCR$Hl92LL came out 5; we all left 8: waewere glad so we could bk» _ :»"" get hcme. Papers seid several times mine was to re-open but I never went V. out till it opened for good.. I recall of voting Qt first N.L.P..B. election . _-1!V_ at Armory in Springfield, Il1., I voted the way I wanted to 6:. it was for No one forced me to vote dc it was 11 good electi0n.- I never heard ebout men going to Jefferson Mine, In full of 1939 I got 9- registered letter from Mine B telling me to come out on e oerto.:'|.n ds. 6: I went 6: saw -=-2_3,:&.f£ _,, FALCETTI 6: he sei:§vns cuved in dche put me in #'put I worked 1' - _r . only 5 dyjsus room was inished then d: they could not s ooj; anymore. FALCETTI snid he would send word to me dz he did nbout 7 weeks 1e.ter.- I . ._._.,? .0 worked about 2 months & some air-boss of U111! come to me 6: said I shouldn't ~. _ '.g- .'.' pay any m du due dz I should

;.3 'n_"!_*~' ' 92 sons Jobs. I signed up 92 K .;a. I .1- with men so I could t 9- _'job.- I was well satisfied with P-M-I1 4 .. I 1'4-.- 5" then but joined over to get I heard too thr-kt men were being " beet up but I never sew it. on't know if I signed any membership - 1- x '-,.;.. 1 . "" cords in 1940 or not. I never heard ainyono of Mine B tell us we had to 1" "' - join IN"? - it wus just men who were around. Aid felt they lend ._'_1-L ;-- 7' _'=;< majority so didn't do anything. -

3, I. "Just before the second ill-KB elmtion I went to e UII-M meeting "..; . " & 31-droundson 8: severl others there told us to vote for LEN 6: not for Pith. . .12.? ;__ in.. .. . --__ S I dc others still felt thl"-t P.}!.n. was better but because _I had joined up with UM? I felt if I voted for PHn tint U1-If might find out is I was scared so voted ULN. It was u good <5: secret election. I first was going to vote for Pile but after ettending the meeting I felt I had better vote for UHF. P.F-1.11. lost that election because Mine P» would not hire P.H.h. men - but 1 ~"_'_§_-' did hire £1 lot of new Ill!-I men. - r"".< . - . "There were a lot of cove-ins when I went to work. never wos reopened J: my toolsére still there. I never heard of £1 ire at Mine B in 1939- I d<>n'__11,{.1W » _ ',. vs» 1"" H, ;._ -_;-jwi-i '-" _l.".:' .21? - '5*"._,.,"'

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RE: JOHN L. LEWIS, Em AL. l

- . --1;_.92 . é é»».31~': -. MR Taxi- ERVJLE-I "JITH "I can'tread English good?- m' read this 6 page statement to ma 6: I have a gne t of -.-+ -"-3 * on mue ! my own free will- 1: ___. Witnesses: é i 7 Q

8" I? as _.; peoial Agent, F.B-I. é -.;__ . _...: , , , ,__ -_¢~.,__,= Sta Paul, Minn. I . ,-J .-,,iii "2" _ I. : 17,. Special Agent F.B.I- milw! Pawnee, I11 wag? Sept. 5, 1943." ;~» . ,6 ,1,-_-, .1 .,f E-'3," .¢!f*».: v-_'

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='*»C/' Re, Jnm1.. term,171' AL. M/D 1! .

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.- .,_ 1 tewiewe s - a and . pi at hisresidence,§, Illinois,on September3, __43 He appeared willingto answer e questions put to Mm, andsaid @- he would be willing to testify to the facts as set forth in the following la W signed statement whichhe submitted. He canneither read nor write.

, a 1111:1015Sep em r 3, 1943 5 "I following voluntary state ¥Lf'. ment to am. whom I know to be Special Agents 0 , U. S. Department of ..A_,-4? l 9;, t. Justice. 'l" "I "I was borr. Illinois sently live at Illinois. ¬ " . avié ¢~.»'..2. '; -:01-3~~',.92 ._.,'._.'__..; #-.11,-7; .3- '11:?julned first Unitedthe I»1i."1e'.Ior1§_e .-'rica, 1-? which wi referred to hereizfte as TJ1'=1F, at Ill. 8; - -1-...@- Zit i- worked theat II1iI'18near i;-N. A . HI. - '1A "I workedin four mines frouder the UMJuntil I started at L-fine *B'1933 in under e regressive 1.-Iine ..orkeers ._ of America which will be referred to hereinafter as the PMA. P".._ " 3-.1,_ 1 "I was a coal digger for the first year at FneH'3'and then workedas I an: presentlyemployed e 717It FT .. in "I have never held an office in a mine mion. 4. I??? ".-.5 far as I am concerned I liked the PIIA and was satisfied _».. . ."-K-W.I *1;"5'?! with its leaders. as far as I know there was no dissatisfaction . » ~ :- between the Phi-1 rank and file and PM leaders. ' 92.7_3" : e."" _' :~.: "I Went to many U151 meetings because I was fined if I didn't .1 but '1only went to a fer-'Piik meetings because of the distance from my home.

"I know nothing about the relations between Elshoff and PMA prior to 1937.

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-F 1 £3 r EEIII He: Jom 1.. 1.=:w1s, ET AL. 5 '92' ._,_. ,_,__.~ '_-j; inT*?":f§@w5" __'...;._I;_;j-%jlfj'f;i1 ' controversy, "I was not except acquainted that I with haveaboutthe sage seventeenscale "Co '1snsa;' dollars owing me by Mine 'B' dating back to 1937. "I did not attend the PMA meeting of May ll, 1937 and.1 do not x remember what the discussion was at the meeting except that it concerned sore miners who were thrown out of the PMA. - -_ ,.,.__ , -- . .. 1: fa: --iv;-|_ "I remember that on May l2, 1937 coal cars were being loaded 'l _, --3 .7 ; e. _ - short. Sometimes that day I pulled whole trips with the cars shorted. . P '!.""*-. I did not know why the cars were shorted. nffii "It was seldom during this period because of my job tht I got a chance to talk to the miners duri1g working hours. _ -1.... ' "I helped picket Ine '3' after the strike started, for three or four weeks. ~ "J-"1 515'. "I do not remember the PEA petition of Hay 26, 1937 or if I sassy signed a petition at that time i do not remember signing it, or any 1_7/ '._~' ..- other petition. ' -7. '"I remember that 1 went to Mine 'B' with the intention of going s' ',_e,4__'. to work each of the three times it tried to open.

"I heard it was going to try to re-open on each of the three occassions by talking to other miners near my home. I was too faraway is to hear the mine whistles blow and I never saw notices in the newspapers nor did I ever get notification about this from the mine,

'1 1;; "Ehch time I went to mine 'B' to go to Work the only men that ¥?§J went down in the mine were UM sympathizer s. There were about fifteen or twenty of these men and Ph members would not work as long as these 15 ' or 20 were allowed to work. This was due to the fact that PMA still had I 1...; a closed shop agreement with Elshoff. I think some of these 15 to 20 I 1 V _92>" "-":*:.==2"',_ .5*:i__i men were already signed signed over to UH '92, _.._, a-J _. -.1:. Pr L - "I know the following miners who worked at Mine '8' both before dig-~-M; 1 fer -- '5"-' ard after the strike and * believe they were Int? sympathizers, and ag- _:"_ ~ *1»- -¢-- ¢. ;;L_ gitating for UMH; Cudge jumgarner also known as bee Bumgarner, Joe Ilbanese, lndrew Schrelevious, Dominic Pasquale, Pete Carter, Frank ,ustin, Tony Plotch, Joh Cotton! ananias, John Sirtout, George Jacaway, Ehnry Jacaway, Charles Bohannon, and James Hale:

"These above mentioned men aggitated for UMJ both before and after the strike. _

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Re: JOHNL. Lands, E1 aL, é7c, s 4 24> t _ w_[_ 'VIE WITH I started back to work at Mine IBIon ___ j - - -- November 6, l939,_and numeroustimes thereafter 3-» -i n =- before I signed up with URI Charles Bohannon

L-Q11 I1- talkedme to andsaid whenare yougoing to get right g. No one else ever said anything to me and no one ever threatens me. ? __ "I do not know if any oi these men whose namesI mentioned above 3!-I worked at Mine 'a'during the time Iline '3'closed was down on strike. n V92 Z. .vA "I never heard any threatening remarks made to anyone.

"I think the N.L.R.B. election held in December, 193'?at Spring- a . ' field, Ill. was fair and I never heard any miner say it was a fraud or j'_'! .' :'-Y L 1.-ras not fair. . _r= .4: 1 K-3- "If I had a chance now of working either trader U15? or P1151I = :."-45 would rather work under PI.-2.,because I do not like John L, Lewis. I £§@£§felt the some wayafter + returned to work at Mine '131939, in but I had to have work and felt that the majority of the miners were signing up with the U11". I believe that most of the miners were signing up r§§§s%vith UL£¬ at that time because they were afraid they would not be able to work there any longer as members ofPIA. becauselilshoff wanted the r 1'1"_""'7<'A7; U131. "Inasmuch as I am unable to read and write and there is no _-,:»is. ,. !.-I member of my family at home this statement consisting of three and one -half .pages 1.35 readto me. - 23 and- -it 1S truean d correc1; to the best of my knowledge. _ $ - -3' . - "_,_J_itneS Sad: in __ _ _. _ . v..ac.-. ' . T-Tiir1- ... "1- /5» F.B.I.

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Re: JOHNL. Lana, as AL. iv! L _n_ i .5? 5! ThI'1"T~.DU"I'E.-JQ was -..i1TA interviewed at his residence in

A 3 J september 2, 1943 bySpecialagents 1 92 StatesHe advisedhe inéand wasbornwas urana ze is in He speaks 1:-ng is very poorly and can |~ understand it only with d ., His memory is not good and it is . felt that hewould not makea satisfactory witness, get-isea that 1 he had no criminal record. 1 w vs v "Springfield, Ill. September 2, 191.3 f3}! f voluntary"Ir , meme 0 i ad'° Ill. g belie e f°11°"iI18 V I know to be Special Age s e '-W Ii J " e igation. o- I make it without fear of threat, force or premise of any kind,

;.=~'=__-=.*;- ~ R-Ear "1 wasborn came to theU.S. H in - In? became a , ', c1 izen in-Bpringfield, Ill. "I startedworking Minein '3',Springfield,aboutg and I then became a member of the United Ziine Workers of America Union. In 1932 most of the men in our local went over to join the Progressive I.-Sine iorkers of America Union, and I became a member of PL-TA in 1932. _

"I took no part in the organizing of any union and I have never held an office in any union.

"Between 1932 and 1937 I never noticed the UM; to picket or try to organize at Hine 'B'.company The did not appear, to me, to favor one over the other, that is either PMA or UIU. I know of no strikes or close downs during this time. I would pre- fer to work under no unions, and it does not make anydifference to me which union I belong to. From 1932 to 193'?I thought F1-TA was an honest union, and I thought the officials were honest. I do not know anything to speak of about the bombing cases. "I never noticed anyone being a spy for UH» during this timeday and thef-by, in onl, in 1<;37I knowtold about the engineers the strike is to that pull onany not some more coal and we were to co out. This was about an hour before quitting tireand I came up to the top, washed and went home.

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Re: J01-NL. Lt.-IIS, E1 AL. L, jg 1- --1 ' T £78 QIEQI Inrgpvfau UTTH I did not knowwhy wewent out, and I still do not _ _ ee$;1 ? know. I heard there was some trouble about some Pk ?' 3 'I] '1nu-. men being kicked out of the PMA andI also heard there was some trouble about the contract, but l do not know which, if any, _ ~_1n.__of these was why we walked out

Y " "I went to the Mine B the next day but we did not work again mtil _ _ . -W in November of 1939, when I got a letter from the company telling me to " come back to work. I do not rerember ever being notified in any way to ' COmc back to work before that time, and after lbw of 1937 "I remember there was a picket line by ~ but I was never in that picket line and I have PLEA in the '1 .-- fall of 1937, . '-= Z? line. I do not remember signing any petitions never been in any picket or s I might have signed a Phu petition during this !_~|f.§I." during the summer of 1937. ">1'1 I am sure I did not sign a Uw petition during til; I am not sure, but this time. e »1- "I do not know anything about a UHF local being organized in 1937.

2 4-r..new -_. .. -_>- "I remember voting in a National La r Relations Board election J_-._¢ -'r in about Dec., 1937, when PHI beat UHU. told mo there was going 5 if .' rig. to bean electionbut noone forcedor treatcned me anyin wayin that r election and I thought it was a fair election. ,.._..- » "ihon the mine opened in Mov., 1939, I went back to work and ": 1 I was 3 Pda. I don'tremember when I changed to UM» but I know I was . 3?I one of the last and it was probably near the end of 1940. In one ever L = threatened me or forced me in any way to join UBO and I joined because I didn't want to lose my job. I heard most of thc non had signed up ~ with UM" so I did. Fbr about four months before I signed with U1! I belonged to no union. -r III do not remember whether UH. tried to organize at Mine '8'- * and all I remember is no one tried to get mo to join IEI. I never saw I a1yone get beat up, and I only remember thatI heard some of the Pd; men were beat up, but who they were or anything about them I do not "Fa 5 - remember. 5-*

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l;§]§V;§E Re: JOHN WIQHL. 1.?»-IS, ET 1*-I» at hi; residence S /@713 by Special Agents U Q I 1, . 92 92 92 ..

92 ld, Illinois. wel s he has never been The following signed statement was obtained from l» I11- oept. 8, 1943 E?- ' "I, A 1. ._ s= B the J it . M ... following voluntary statement t5§I_¥fE$'Y%%~ iiendihhit if_ i" vhom .; 3, I know to be Special Agents of the e-ere =uroeu of ves" ga on. I make .~Mi it without fear of throat, force or promise of any kind. hgaérI -1- e 9292 " I em Presently employed

. "I first started working in mines in about: I then joined the United Hine Yorkers of America Union and belonged to UM? until 1932 when I joined the Progressive Mine Workers of America Union. I was working at Panther Creek Mine #1, Auburn, 111., at the time. I joined PEA because I didn't like the actions of UMW. I refer to the time in 1952 when John L. Lewis men stole the ballot box. I remained a PMA until August of 1958 when I quit mining and stopped paying dues. I did not join any mine union or work in any mine from August of 1938 until about July 27, 1940, when I. wont to work as e digger in the ?ine "B", Springfield, Il1.. at which tine I joined UMW.

"In July of 1940 I was working for the ZPA and a neighbor, who was working at Kine "B" told mo they were pu n; men on at Iiine out e. "B" man whomso I went I later out to found Kine out "B" onwas aboutHQuly_k27, 1940, and tot!!! pointed v3"; ." the follow to see about a Job, Mk l _ *f;_ Z! "I went up to Gnd~o and asked him for a job. He took me to see 'e@£ Oscar Foloetti and then duggo told me to come out and bring my tools. othing was said about any union at that time. I got some tools and started a working e couple of days later. "About three or four days after I started working 0 came up, to me and told mo to join UMW by signing with a little Ital an e low whoa gene I cannot remember. Fe one forced me or threatened me physically, but T¥¬?V* told me if I wanted to work at Mine "B" I would have to sign with '"" ~ I signed with GMT. I joined UHF beoeuse I knew if I did not join ; 1

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j_ .'- INTERVIEH ITH UMW Iwould not keep my job at Mine "B" and I wanted to .-;_ ,1; "- _-,_:;4i work at Fine B to make more moneythan I had been 0n.PA. . n 0 F r 0' = I worked at Mine "B" a little more than s year. I had been hurt doing work in the mine during this time and after I came beck after .- . being laid off sick for s while, Jack Falcetti told me I would have to pay A §?,GU-___. Dcuau:-r _. _ he had.. "13:;...... ,_ i"i.:wc6 men ...... Cit-"$.14 Q .-1G031 which got dirty he ssid after I shot my face. I did not want to pay him 37.00 so I quit and have never been back to mine "B" since. When I first started working in Hine B : -. i _-. -0 I had a good room. Then I had a couple of entries - and then I got a bed . ,;-I room. Thet is when I hurt m beck.

__ "HhileI was working Mine at I"B" sew ggerggr maybe and Bohennonf ~ V-.. take newmen intoOscar Falcettito be hired. I do notremember seeingI $@M3 an one else doing any organizing. _ ii I "The only fight I remember seeing was one morning I saw a little Q kL Italian fellow whose name I cannot remember, come out of the wash house _¢ hollering that he'd beenhit. But I saw nothing except the Sheriff came 92 at that time and went in the wash house and brought out Bohannon. '

l On February of 1941 theEhtionel L1bO!'Relations Board held an election. The morning of the election the UHF had a meeting and told us how to Z; "et down to the voting place and only a few at a time was to go in. They did not tell us how to vote end no one forced or threatened us in eny way. I voted in that election and thought it was fair.

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__ - 924 I1-.*Tmv1s~'I WITH P"1n6' Ekff ~3_ S Agents nd - -' ' 2. na .3" on Sept'7 #odv1sed 1953. the oesno vea or es t ?@qOrd_ g; -,_b_e _ospeak and understand Englishand would make a. 929292 l¢Iain wJLn - aw» , . - X. urnished the following signedstetanent: gr __.__ "Springfield, 111., i:-;f92';_§.:'j92 September 7, 1943. "1. *tTor&

_i»§.,. I first begun miningcoal inspringfield, I11_in rat which _-. _-|- . time I joined UM-n. I remained t. mmber of IJMW until 1952 et which time I joined PMA. In 1932 the local U157 union of which I was *1 member changed from '5-#5 UM-I toPEA and I changed with my local. I took no pert in the formation of ?-..E*? PMA. ' "I was employed at Mine "B" in 1935 as e company man end have been

fr employed st Mine "B" ever since, except during the time of a strike. "Between 1955 and I-lay 12, 195'?there were no strikes at Mine B and the msnngenient did not close Mine "B"._ During that period of time the -a-1_ m=-.nr.gement wasnot hostile in settling grievances and the management did not ' L! show any partiality tow:-.rd UlJ';'T. . 17;; t , _, "I thought PHI; was P. good union and one being operated for its '.'~¢'l--- No unusual special assessments were made against me. I took no in- '- :.s3¢-_= members,union activities and I have not been on official of any union-

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57¢... RE: JOHN L. LEKIS, o E3 AL BL!

LET? I do not remember any Wage scale controversy in 'Y'E.'i> A eo " the S*'i*-" °f 1937' . 1" I did not attend e meeting of PMA on the night of May 11, 1937. I do not remeber if I received notice of the meeting or not. _ -1 - A few days prior to May 12, 1937 someone told me that PETE ChRTER, FRANK AUSTIN, JOHN ANANIAS, GEORGE J£.CAW..Y, HIORY J1.C£.'>I;1Y and CHARLES BOHLNNOH were expelled fro PMA because they were labor spies for U.E.W. None of the L. _. above nemed men ever mentioned union activities to me. .;.. - "4 1-. On May 12, 1937 I went to work as usual and no one reflected any intention of striking. On the afternoon of May 12, 1937 someone told me that Mine "B" was on strike because the management would not discharge the above named men who were expelled from REA. I noticed coal cars were loaded short -!--'=.- that day, but I do not know the reason for the cars being loaded short. 1 W? "1 do not remember if I signed a PEA petition in the summer of 193? #7 -" but I know I did not sign en UMW petition. .'i -it;-. eefs 1545;? "I did not know of the formation of e new UM local in the Summer =4 of 193?. - > _ "FHA informed me that Mine "B" was to open sometime in sept. 1957. 92 On the day Mine "B" wns to have opened I voluntarily went to the mine to act 1 -O1 as o picked. I noted cs c picket from time to time until an injunction was obtained t3 prevent the picketing. It mode no difference to me whether the jl. I. .-S-' injunction was served or not. I do not know of an attempt to open Mine "B" in Dec. 193? or Jan. gig 1938.

"I voted in the N.L.R.B. election Dec. 15, 1937 for PMA. so far -_ Y. cs I know the election was fair and I voted es I Wished.

.- ~.__ "I received notice in Nov. 1939 to return to work at Mine "B". I ti-A returned es a member of Pn. I did not heer of any large fires at Eine"B" 1} 4-.92'92 LIL! B H... I -A-I-9292....-. @U9241l.l +I92 UL] 4-VIA». VILG 1-n4-92= JHLLLQ 92-u92+ h'U¥ T_ R-1A 92.lj.92-I»Mapv LL92-I-H4+'|n=n-A UIAIJL 92-I wvnvlg II92;l. 924 vnctv-nr HMAAAJlb: hill-I'92J*J.LJ-92JQ1-rr_92_§v92e U 6I92-Vhing92-ILLIJ as}: asked mg-to Join UMN for two or three months after my return to work, but ' .li'¢.. of t er two or t hree mon en B posse a miny ~ of th t e employees e M ins "B" inf d Ofme .... methat I would_eitherFh§v-_:{ foin_UMW or I would not have s job. In the

t and I t1ou5ht 'a di- no. '1' ' would loose my job. I was not at anyh Q time threatened if I did not join UMW. I heard that sane of the miners were threctened and beet because they did not join UHW, but I did not see anyone threatened or beet. The mnnagement of Mine "B" did not seem to favor either i -50- v 1 1 -v --.- I92y'p-D 3; -;»~q--,|;~-->;..~|'_-'»-$1---;__y-.;.e-op-*1» '-;;_1g»~qv-1; v-q,v.¢q-1-_~¢e=r-1 I-qr q-av-1 v-,: -v.-1.-:v~--'~-v---I-'r' ->'""'- '-*- v' " " '

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K. ,3: 67 - . 9 7 _z=: ER F AW" or PW A 2. H: V -- a cotnuie i "I voted in the N.L.R.B. election in Feb. 1941. - I think this was a fair election and I voted an I 32;?-,; Wishedl

"It makes no difference at the present whether I am 9. member of . _ 1 :1 - PIJA or UL-1-F. _' ._j'_:_ ,1» r=-t I have had this statement consisting of five pages read to me and 3-351:5;1-K _"_ it is true and correct to the best of my kncwledge. " I1-= i%::i* _-.~'.r ?."1¬.-',-:11?-§ /B »' T?- IHTNESSED: -- I ,h,,,-F , M Special Agent, F.B.I. H peciel Agent, F.B.I. Ioizi

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'-;' ]1uERVIEa . was interv:i.ewed at his home 92--.so at "=prir:gfield, 11.1., by Special »'f __gc=nt.5 Q-DC "¢"'-_;';f.:_-fr-_ ;_ at 92'f1'1iCh hf? excuted [ ; - :1 signs . s atement. It is not believed no we d make a good witness due__ .§_ 192 to his inability to understand or speak English very well. Ilc le. _ by birth and is a naturalized citizen of the United States. He has no - 6 -92? known criminal record. The following is the signed statement obtained from 92

e "F-':Y92r*i 'r92B§"i cl H g v;-a .4.-.5- _.-¢.~.-, Sept. 2, 1943 '37?-T-I $2? $95 . _ _ - . M _ ._, _.___.=,_;; i '-2 _ .53~.__. _ ;._ I--»-1; t on field. I11. , f _ aka t, = V 9 rig o untary state;-ent to = 5.-*1 1,.-. . K _~.._; {.;§5- -.-_ii who are §:>1J<.Cif1l gents oi ewra ureau of Investigation. Ilo threats or promises of any kind have been made to get rm. to make a statement and I do so knoxring it may be used in a court of law. :rI__}'. ,. ,_;-- * "I was born i: I came to U.S. in and become - . a :11 ura ize citizen of U S. in » at ., ~_ 2?? '=.-1'? A "I first joir.-ed ULI.v inqwhon I began 1nrork:Lr.g in the mine at Ill. I never no d1 any 0*" -iic c in an y union. ' Q7 "I joined P1-1.. when I began working at Ene "B" in November 1935- .. § -7 , , I joined P.1.I.... at this time because I rceded a job o.nd1.!i.ne "B" would hire I worked at fine B then until the men came out on J strike and during this time I knew oi no strikes or closedowns and as *5? far as I L~:n<_-w th-LI"92.: was no difficulty between the miae rnmajgement a92 and the union. I F ow "I had no trouble with Phi. and saw no difference in the unions. a=p»- -V I wanted to work and which ever union had a majority atithe mine, I would join it.

|... - "No one attempted to get me to change from Pm to UH: and I did not :- know of any labor spies at lline 3. "I heard that we were toget some back pay but we never got it and I don't know why the strike was cs.1Lled. The m;1.i0Ii°Y °f the men went on strike so I struck with then. _ __ AA ___7_r__i_; __ *___ _ L ___ _u______;g.._-___ _.4_.__n-t.i._...__ - _- ~-_-_A-1- --- _eL-_-;_-;~|- if?-_*"*"V___ - . I r- * - . /' - ,__> .. O_ O

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.._ »_-§ ! fl |__W'_'-' _. "1 went to Mine B 3 or 1. clays after an attempt ;l was made to reopen it in September 193'?all and i n mued the P.L|I.A. men were on a sit-down strike or picket-

ing. I stayed " :1ere then as a picket until an injunction was served on us. All the men whc picketed were from Mine B and I did not see any fights or violence of Jay kind while the mine was picket-ed. I I

"I voted in the N.L.R.B. election in Dec. 1937, and as far as I could see it was fair election. P.3¬..-1. Won by a large majority.

"I went to work in November 1939 at Mine B as a member of P.M.A. but I knew the mine was operating under an open shop agreement. I paid . - ues to PLUL for 2 or 3 months after I went back to work. P.Lf.A. dues at that time were $3 a month and U.IJ.". was ;_52 a month About a month later 1 joined U.L1.". because 1 want ed to belong to a union and 1 thought most of the men were U.l.§.'.i.members at Mine B because a lot of the old employees had quit and didn't come back.

"I voted in the N.L.R.B. election in Feb. 191.1 and I think it was a fair election. I am now working at Iiine B as a trapper and I have no fault to find with either union and I like whichever one I may be working under, "I have had this three page statement read to me by and it is true and correct to the best of my knowledge. i /55 I

witnessed: , /F *- , F.B.I., Springfield, 11.1.,sp. Agt. /s.~ - FBI, Spf'ld.,111., Sp. Agt."

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