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Nina: Hey, Guys; Welcome to Podcast Fandom, the Official Podcast of Projectfandom.Com Nina: Hey, guys; welcome to Podcast Fandom, the official podcast of ProjectFandom.com. I’m your host, Nina. Meghan: I am Meghan. John: And I am John. Nina: Aaaand, I think we’re okay. Meghan-- Meghan: Yes. Nina: Can you hear me? Meghan: I can hear you. Nina: Okay. We’ve been having some technical difficulties; this is like our fourth time trying. Um, so, tonight we’re going to be talking about--for the very last time--Breaking Bad. We put out our episode last week to discuss the series finale “Felina”, and it was already so long when I was editing it--we got into so many discussion about the series as a whole, that it seemed best to do a series retrospective where we could kind of gather our thoughts about everything we’d experienced with the show for five years. Meghan: Sounds so traumatizing. Nina: It is! It’s very traumatizing. And so, we put up some questions no our site last week when we released the episode, and we had a few responses on Facebook. Some interesting stuff that I think is going to be pretty interesting. We had started off discussing what our favorite episode was, and I had a hard time narrowing it down, but John you have one episode that you can say is your absolute favorite. John: Mmhmm… Nina: And it is-- John: Oh, you want me to say it. [group laughter] Nina: Yeah, I setting you up. Meghan: “But I’m not telling you guys.” John: Yeah, that’s a secret. I don’t want to tell you my secrets. “Dead Freight” is my favorite episode. I have a top five: 5. “Fly.” 4. “Face Off” 3. “Granite State” 2. “Felina” 1. “Dead Freight” Nina: Okay, and Meghan-- Meghan: I had a hard time narrowing it down to one single episode, but I think my tried and true favorite is “Face Off”; just because I can watch it over and over again (and I have), but I also love the penultimate episode of the series, “Granite State”, a lot… and also “Ozymandias”. The tail-end of season five held a couple of favorites for me. Nina: And I had put out a post on our site, and I just picked one from each season. I came up with: From season one: “And the Bag’s in the River”, the episode where Walt kills Krazy-8 From season two: “Phoenix”, where Jane dies. From season three: “Half Measures”, where Walt runs over the two drug dealers. From season four: “Salud”, where Jesse, Mike, and Gus go to Mexico and take out the Mexican cartel. From the first half of season five: “Dead Freight”. From the second half of season five: “Ozymandias”, and it might be my favorite of all five seasons. Did you guys have a favorite season, as a whole? Meghan: I would have to go with five; the latter half of five. Every episode--just nail-biting the entire time. John: Yeah, even with the things that I didn’t like about a couple of the episodes (like “Ozymandias”), it was the best season. Nina: I’m gonna have to go with five, as well. Probably more so because of the latter half; so many great episodes, and so many great scenes within those episodes. I will say that, as a straight season--because this one was technically split in two--I think I had a lot of fun watching season four. John: And really season three may be--each season got better. Nina: Yeah. John: That season three is when a lot of people started watching the show; that’s when a lot of people got on board. Nina: That’s interesting because we actually talked about this--me and two other Project Fandom contributors did a podcast where we were talking about Scandal--and we talked about the ratings for the third season premiere of Scandal; it was like 10.5 million people. It was there highest-rated episode for that show, and Breaking Bad’s series finale, “Felina”, got 10.3. They were saying just how huge that was, and remember two episodes before, “Ozymandias”, got 6.6 million, which was the highest they had ever gotten, up to that point. To put it into perspective, the season four finale, “Face Off”, which we all agree is a really good episode; it made the top of all of our lists. It only got 1.9 million viewers. At the time, that was a big deal. In one season, to go from 1.9 to 10.3, that’s insane. John: That has a lot to do with Netflix. I think I would contribute most of that to the fact that the show is on Netflix, and everyone was able to--they heard about it, they heard this was the last season, they heard there were only eight episodes left, and they were like “Let’s just marathon through.” It’s not a whole lot; it’s five seasons, but there’s only 54 episodes to watch before this season. That’s not a lot, so people were able to catch up really quickly, and that seems to be why the ratings really blew up in the final season. Meghan: I totally agree with you on that one; I mean, that’s how I watch the show. I was seasons and seasons behind, and I plowed through those seasons thanks to Netflix. Strong point. John: And I think the reason Scandal got 10.5 and got more viewers than Breaking Bad’s series finale is really just the difference between cable and network television. Ten million in cable television is monstrous. Ten million for Scandal is really good, but that’s on network television, so you have to weigh it differently. Nina: I’m looking at the questions that we put up, and I’m trying to ask them in a way that starts at the beginning and leads up to more-recent events; the first one I think I’m going to go with… “What did you guys think of the Skyler hate?” John: I thought it was very warranted. [group laughs] Nina: “It was well-deserved” John: Yes, it was. The character got a lot better in the second half of the fifth season. It’s surprising that it took that long, if they wanted her to be liked; I don’t think they wanted the character to be liked. I mean, despite what Anna Gunn argues, I don’t think they wanted that character to be liked. Everything else is written with such precision that I can’t think they would’ve made that character someone that would be so easily hateable, if they didn’t want her to be. I don’t think they wanted you to like the character, until they wanted you to like the character in the second half of season five. Nina: Do you think it’s a case that they didn’t expect people to hate her that much? John: Eeeeh, I don’t… I mean, you never know what you’re going to get when you write something, but I don’t think--I think Anna Gunn didn’t want people to hate her that much, and she didn’t expect it. I don’t think the writers were like “Oh, they’re gonna love Skyler!” I think the writers knew people weren’t going to like her, because she was going against the hero of the show. That’s what happens when you have someone who’s against your hero; people aren’t going to like her, because you want people to root for your hero. That’s the point. Meghan: Yeah, and from the very beginning, she came off as a nag. Nina: Yeah. John: Yeah. Nina: I find it funny, because my sister really, immediately, liked her--well, not that she liked her, but she just didn’t have a problem with her. I was waiting, as my sister was marathoning it, for her to write me and be like “I hate her”, but she was like, “Yeah, I don’t have a problem with her. He lies to her constantly; she doesn’t know what’s going on; she’s keeps catching him in stupid, little lies that anybody else would think their husband is cheating on them.” She was the first person who didn’t have a problem with her, so I just wondered if it was just a case of them not realizing it was going to be so intense--like “I hate Skyler” Facebook pages, and stuff like that. John: I think that’s part of the fun. Like with Game of Thrones, you hate Joffrey, but because he’s in the show, it makes the show better. Because you have characters like that, it makes the show better; it makes any show better, when you have someone you can dislike to that level. Meghan: Yeah, she wouldn’t have come off as a very good wife, if she was like a Rita from Dexter. You know, where she was very complacent; that wouldn’t have played well, at all. I appreciated her character, but--yeah--I still didn’t like her. John: You dislike her as a person, but as a character, she’s good. Meghan: She fits. John: Yeah, she fits the show. You couldn’t have the story without her. Nina; What do you think of Jesse? Do you think that Walt cared for Jesse? In hindsight.
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