Unto the Ansteorran College of Heralds Does Perronnelle Charrette De La Tour Du Pin, Retiarius Pursuivant, Make Most Courteous Greetings
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Herewith please find the decisions made at Marche le Sauvage on December 18, 1999. Kathri, Asterisk - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Unto the Ansteorran College of Heralds does Perronnelle Charrette de La Tour du Pin, Retiarius Pursuivant, make most courteous greetings. For information on commentary submission formats or to receive a copy of the collated commentary, you can contact me at: Charlene Charette 15910 Valverde Drive, Houston, TX 77083 281/277-4055 (11am-10pm) [email protected] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Commenters for this issue: Da’ud ibn Auda – al-Jamal Herald Magnus von Lubeck – Raven's Fort Jararvellir – Midrealm; present at this session were Musa ibn Ibrahim al-athir, Isfael ap Briafael, Iohanna di Carracci, and Aryanhwy merch Catmael. Comments prefaced "I" are from me, Aryanhwy. Bryn Gwlad – Bryn Gwlad commentary, by Gwenllian ferch Maredudd, Salvatore, and Daniel de Lincoln (y'r humble scribe and first-person comments below). We checked all armory against the 8th edition Ordinary. We found no conflicts unless noted. FLASH! Parker's Glossary is on-line with colored emblazons! Huzzah! See http://www04.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/ta2/saitou/ie401/index.htm . It's one of the most complete sources for heraldic charges and terms. Although Victorian, it's still quite useful. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1. Adelicia Brabant (Gate's Edge) resub device; name in LoI0899; Azure, in saltire two artist's brushes argent, overall on an artist's palette Or a road-runner proper, all within a bordure argent. Da’ud ibn Auda [Device] Let’s see: one of the reasons the prior submission was returned as because of the "non- period form of palette", and so this submission uses a different form that still isn’t the defined one for the SCA. Indeed, the charge at first blush appears to be a very fat cross formy pierced in chief. Unless she’s submitted documentation for this particular form of artist’s palette as being a period artifact, I think we still have a problem. [Asterisk: Although not exactly the form shown in the PicDic, this pallete is close enough to be forwarded, in the opinion of those at the meeting.] Jararvellir [Device] We all had issues with the road-runner; it’s indigenous to North America and was not found in Europe in period. (I don’t even know if it’s found in period now.) However, this is a moot point because the device has four layers (field, paintbrushes, pallet, and bird) and must be returned as per RfS VIII.1.c.ii Armorial Depth. [Asterisk: See Bryn Gwlad, below.] Bryn Gwlad [Device] Overall charges count as being on the field, so this is 3 layers (field, 4 things on the field, bird), so it's OK. A roadrunner has been registered only once before, in the very early days of the Society: Reyna de San Diego, 1/76, "Azure, a roadrunner courant to sinister ...". Danny don't think that the one very early registration is enough to justify it today. Was it known to Europeans in period? [Asterisk: It was probably known to the Spaniards in what is now northern Mexico and SW USA, which has been sufficient for registration.] The OED (1st ed.) first citation is 1872. It defines it as the "paisano or chaparral cock"; the first it dates to 1885, the second to 1882, saying it's "evidently the Mexican name caporal Americanized". Surely Spanish sources would have the earliest records, but we have no such references. [But we don't have to document the words in the blazon and if Laurel wants to change, it she can.][ Also, what tincture is the bird? If it's all brown, it's a "brown roadrunner proper". "PRECEDENT: Henceforward, and more in line with period heraldic practice, animals which are normally brown may be registered simply as an {X} proper (e.g., boar proper, hare proper). Animals which are frequently found as brown but also commonly appear in other tinctures in the natural world may be registered as a brown {X} proper (e.g., brown hound proper, brown horse proper)." (LoAR Cover Letter, 10/95) Otherwise, "Proper is allowed for natural flora and fauna where there is a widely understood default coloration for the charge so specified. My rule of thumb here is that if you have to look it up in a book, it is excessive." (Cover Letter, May 1991) Is the "proper" for a roadrunner widely understood? Danny doesn't know how to color one. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1. COLLEGE ACTION: Device: Forwarded to Laurel reblazoned "…a brown roadrunner proper, … --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Ælfwyn æt Gyrwum (Bjornsborg) new device; name reg 04/99; Azure crusilly moline, on a fess Or three annulets azure. Jararvellir [Device] Beautiful! Bryn Gwlad [Device] (Daniel's irreverent comment: 3 hugs, semy of weird kisses? Daniel's a friend; he can do that.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2. COLLEGE ACTION: Device: Forwarded to Laurel. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 3. Aeron Aschennen of Clan MacKenzie (Mooneschadowe) new change of primary name from Anastacia de Maris; new change of device; current name registered 10/95; Barry bendy azure and argent, a manticore rampant guardant Or maintaining an orb azure. Da’ud ibn Auda [Name] A citation that a name is found in Hanks and Hodges is not, in itself, sufficient documentation for registration. See Appendix F (Names Sources to Be Avoided in Documentation) to the Administrative Handbook ("Very few of the entries have dates of any kind. There are many modem forms included in the entries. There are even, as there are in many general works of this kind, some errors, sometimes quite glaring." [LoAR Nov 1994, p. 20]) "The available evidence indicates that the way membership in such a clan (no matter what ‘clan’ word was used for the group) was indicated in a personal name was by the use of ó (or older ua) plus the clan eponym in the genitive (i.e., ó Aonghusa) not by using a construction equivalent to ‘of Clan X’." (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR June 1998, p. 5) Clan affiliations are not indicated by "of Clan [Whatever]" in personal names, and such have been returned (or modified, as in the precedent above) before. [Device] The primary charge here is not a manticore; that charge is described as: "a monster, consisting of a lion's body with a human face (sometimes head), a scorpion's tail, and sometimes horns." (Pictorial Dictionary, 2nd ed., cf. "Manticore") (emphasis added) The monster here has the standard lion’s tail, and is probably visually and heraldically indistinct from a lion rampant Or. As such, it likely conflicts with Belgium and Brabant, Sable, a lion rampant Or. The term "orb" is a defined heraldic charge; what the manticore here is holding isn’t it. Blazon fu: maintaining a hurt or maintaining a roundel azure. Magnus von Lubeck [Name] Please tell local heralds that books by Hanks & Hodges, Kolach, and Yonge make nice paperweights but that is about all they are good for. Laurel will not accept anything from these books. Heini Gruffudd, Welsh Names for Children, page 6, under Aeron gives it as a man or woman's name and lists "Celtic Agrona = goddess of slaughter; god of battle, as Aerfen, Aberaeron, Ceredigion." Other entries with no dates include Aeronwy - variant of Aeron, Aerona - feminine of Aeron, and Aeronwen - Aeron + gwen (white, blessed). This suggests that the name is associated with divine powers but the variants suggest its use as a human name. The only other helpful item found was in T.P and Prys Morgan, Welsh Surnames, page 45, under Arawn dates the masculine name Aron from 1215-1350 and from 1350-1415. Black gives the spelling as Aschennan. [Device] This is a mantyger rather than a manticore. "The principal difference between a mantyger and a manticore... is the manticore has a scorpion's sting for a tail. It is doubtful that there is a CVD for the difference, but it is a blazonable distinction." (LoAR 4/91 p.3). Jararvellir [Name] According to Gruffudd, <Aeron> is a modern Welsh name. Even if it was period, it would not be appropriate in a Scottish name. Since she doesn’t indicate whether she is interested in a Gaelic, Scottish Gaelic, or Scots name, it’s hard to offer suggestions for changes. [Device] We also found the charge to be awfully complex to be on a field of this type. Also, this isn’t a manticore; it has a lion’s tale, not the tale of a scorpion, as a manticore should have. Bryn Gwlad [Device] Blazon fu 1: mantyger. "The principal difference between a mantyger and a manticore... is the manticore has a scorpion's sting for a tail. It is doubtful that there is a CVD for the difference, but it is a blazonable distinction." (LoAR 4/91 p.3). (Da'ud prec. 1.1, s.v. DIFFERENCE - Armory). Asterisk, please check the definition of a mantyger and verify that the full-sized form has one. An Heraldic Alphabet says it usually has the body of a heraldic tyger, an old man's head with flowing beard and hair, and two horns, pretty much echoing Parker. However, AHA says that the body of a tyger is the body of a lion. With the manticore's head guardant and with this scanned mini-emblazon, it's hard to tell it's a man's head and that those are horns – it looks rather lion-like. Blazon fu 2: roundel, not orb. Daniel had somehow gotten the impression that orbs (aka mounds) were reserved charges, but they're not mentioned in precedents, not in the Glossary, and they've been registered as late as 7/99 (Calafia, Barony of.