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United States of America 1 Before the 2 Federal

United States of America 1 Before the 2 Federal

Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 1 of 18 1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

2 BEFORE THE

3 FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY COMMISSION

4

5 Puget Sound Energy, Inc.

6 Complainant,

7

8 V.

9 All Jurisdiction Sellers of Energy and/or

10 Capacity at Wholesale into Electric Energy

11 and/or Capacity Markets in the Pacific

12 Northwest, Including Parties to the Western

13 Systems Power Pool Agreement

14 Respondents,

15 Docket No. EL01-10-085

16 ------X

17

18 Transcription of recorded conversations

19

20

21 File: c8501 18 01 2001 143931

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23

24 Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 2 of 18 1 2 [START RECORDING]

3 KEVIN: Coral, this is Kevin.

4 RUGGLES: Kevin, its Ruggles.

5 KEVIN: It’s who?

6 RUGGLES: Ruggles.

7 KEVIN: What’s up? How are you doing?

8 RUGGLES: Oh good. Just still trying to figure

9 out what to do with this big old ass. Laughter.

10 KEVIN: Really?

11 RUGGLES: Yep. Because, quite frankly, I don’t

12 know. I can’t hide it. It goes with me

13 everywhere.

14 KEVIN: I can see it would be a problem.

15 RUGGLES: It’s just annoying.

16 KEVIN: Yeah, I’m sure, I’m sure.

17 RUGGLES: Yeah, yeah, um. So there you have it.

18 KEVIN: Just laying it all on the table.

19 RUGGLES: Well, yeah. Like a shelf back there.

20 So, um – hey, ah, Beth around there?

21 KEVIN: Ah, let me see here. I haven’t seen her

22 in a while. I think she’s back talking with Ed.

23 You want me to interrupt?

24 RUGGLES: No. Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 3 of 18 1 KEVIN: Yes?

2 RUGGLES: No, what’s her direct extension. Do

3 you remember?

4 KEVIN: Ah, 1515.

5 RUGGLES: Can you transfer me there?

6 KEVIN: You want me to transfer it in there?

7 RUGGLES: Yeah.

8 KEVIN: Alright.

9 RUGGLES: Love you.

10 KEVIN: I will transfer you in and you can leave

11 her a voicemail.

12 RUGGLES: Yeah. Is Roy still there?

13 KEVIN: Yeah, Roy’s right here.

14 RUGGLES: Hey Roy?

15 ROY: Yeah, who’s this?

16 KEVIN: Ruggles.

17 RUGGLES: Yeah, hey, um.

18 ROY: Yeah, I still got it. Hang on, man. Let

19 me pick you up. Where’s he at, one? What’s

20 up, fool?

21 RUGGLES: No, man, you know.

22 ROY: You up there freezing your BOA off?

23 RUGGLES: No, no I’m down in Houston, man.

24 ROY: You got icicles on your BOA? Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 4 of 18 1 RUGGLES: Man, I had icicles on my beard the

2 other day, man.

3 ROY: Did you?

4 KEVIN: Is it cold up there?

5 RUGGLES: I was walking home and my fricking

6 goatee iced over.

7 ROY: Take care Vince. We’re gonna, we’re gonna

8 come see you my man.

9 RUGGLES: Yeah, I know. I’m trying to get up

10 there. You gonna go skiing that day.

11 ROY: I don’t know. Is Hank gonna go?

12 RUGGLES: Well, Hank’s going. But, ah, I mean,

13 I know I’m going skiing. I’m meeting Leah and

14 David Rice and a couple of people are gonna be

15 up there.

16 ROY: The same day?

17 RUGGLES: On Sunday.

18 ROY: Oh, on Sunday. I don’t know. I’ve never

19 skied but I’d like to snowboard.

20 RUGGLES: You ever snowboarded?

21 ROY: Yeah.

22 RUGGLES: You know how?

23 ROY: Yeah, I can do it.

24 RUGGLES: Cool. Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 5 of 18 1 ROY: I mean, I’m not great but I can stand up

2 and take the ride. I take my hits too. I can

3 miss the trees, let’s put it that way.

4 RUGGLES: You take a couple of people out?

5 ROY: I’d take couple people out if they’re in

6 my way.

7 RUGGLES: Yeah.

8 ROY: They should know better than to get in my

9 way.

10 RUGGLES: Yeah, well, I’m – it ain’t gonna

11 happen with me.

12 ROY: You got it.

13 RUGGLES: So, ah, you still got it.

14 ROY: I still got it. I’m, you know I’m losing.

15 I’m on the Atkins diet. I’ve lost about, maybe

16 8 pounds.

17 RUGGLES: Yeah, okay.

18 ROY: In a couple weeks. This is day 16 or 17

19 in my diet.

20 RUGGLES: But, still –

21 ROY: But I still got it.

22 RUGGLES: Unequivocally, it’s big.

23 ROY: It’s bigger than it should be. Let’s put

24 it that way. Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 6 of 18 1 RUGGLES: Yeah, if you were at Burger King you

2 would call it the

3 ROY: The mini-whopper.

4 Laughter.

5 ROY: I wouldn’t call it the big whopper. I’d

6 call it the mini-whopper.

7 RUGGLES: You wouldn’t call it the double-

8 whopper.

9 ROY: I would not. Hey, anything, you heard

10 anything there about ah -

11 RUGGLES: The big B?

12 ROY: The big B.

13 RUGGLES: Ah, no, I hadn’t yet. But, I’ll tell

14 you, my feet are ready to go one way or the

15 other.

16 ROY: I know what you’re saying. Hey, you’re

17 working out, you’ve created a little niche for

18 yourself over there setting up offices, my man.

19 RUGGLES: Yeah. Creating a hard life for me,

20 too.

21 ROY: It is. Why don’t you just move over here,

22 man. Be done with it.

23 RUGGLES: Yeah.

24 ROY: Oh, here’s Beth. Hang on one second. Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 7 of 18 1 RUGGLES: Oh, are you giving me to her?

2 RUGGLES: Hello.

3 BETH: Hi, Mark.

4 RUGGLES: Oh, hi.

5 BETH: You gonna come out and visit us?

6 RUGGLES: Sure, how are you?

7 BETH: I miss you.

8 RUGGLES: Oh, I know. We saw each other

9 yesterday but it was so brief, we didn’t have

10 any time for coffee or tea.

11 BETH: Oh, it’s not. If you have time, today

12 would be a good day to shave your head.

13 RUGGLES: Why, did you guys make 1 million?

14 ROY: A couple times over.

15 BETH: ______you have to shave your head

16 and ______.

17 RUGGLES: You did what, now?

18 BETH: 2.4, I think.

19 RUGGLES: How much?

20 BETH: 2.2?

21 RUGGLES: 2.2 in one day?

22 BETH: Yes. That was since yesterday.

23 ROY: In a number of hours.

24 RUGGLES: Yeah, um, here’s the deal. Purely on Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 8 of 18 1 an ethical basis, do you have any problem with

2 rolling blackouts.

3 BETH: On an ethical basis? No.

4 RUGGLES: Okay. Cool.

5 BETH: On a reliability basis, yeah.

6 RUGGLES: Yeah, um. But here’s the real

7 question. We haven’t had rolling blackouts down

8 in that office, have we?

9 BETH: Not yet but we’re gonna have a backup

10 plan. We’re just talking about that. I’m

11 worried about the amount of power we have. I

12 don’t know that we have enough for 90 minutes.

13 RUGGLES: Yeah, I mean, you might go down and

14 get the batteries.

15 BETH: We have some.

16 RUGGLES: Some Duracells.

17 BETH: We have some. We need, actually, some

18 flashlights.

19 RUGGLES: And, um, also, there’s a, looking at a

20 co-gen type of feature. Roy puts out enough

21 (laughter and several people speaking at once).

22 BETH: Tell us something we don’t know.

23 ROY: And, that’s my favorite boss.

24 RUGGLES: Yeah. Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 9 of 18 1 ROY: Mark.

2 RUGGLES: Yeah?

3 ROY: I meant to hang up on you but never mind.

4 (Laughter) Oh, since you’re still there I guess

5 we’ll talk to you.

6 RUGGLES: Alright.

7 ROY: Okay, I’m taking you off.

8 RUGGLES: Okay.

9 ROY: You’re sick, man.

10 RUGGLES: It was dangerous. That was dangerous

11 putting me out there.

12 ROY: That was dangerous putting you out there

13 and Beth had the insight to say not to do it.

14 (laughter). Man, that’s not right.

15 RUGGLES: I just told you about the waste

16 product. The by-product you put –

17 ROY: Maybe we can get you some more hours on

18 your health benefits to go to a shrink.

19 RUGGLES: ______.

20 ROY: Oh, she did say (blank space). Beth is

21 telling me she saw you.

22 RUGGLES: Yeah, oh yeah. She told me. What did

23 she say?

24 ROY: You never knew, you never met Dynette? Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 10 of 18 1 RUGGLES: No, I met Dynette.

2 ROY: You did? Beth said she saw you yesterday

3 and you were sitting in your chair like a

4 whipped dog.

5 RUGGLES: Like a what dog?

6 ROY: Like a whipped, like a dog that got

7 spanked too much.

8 RUGGLES: Ah, I can assure you that hasn’t been

9 happening.

10 ROY: She’s – I added that whipped dog part.

11 RUGGLES: Oh. (Laughter). That’s like where

12 the hell did that come in?

13 ROY: That’s coming from me. You got, she said

14 you were sitting there all quiet, across from

15 Dynette and she had to introduce you.

16 RUGGLES: Yeah, nobody knows me down here man.

17 ROY: Well, they know how big it is. They might

18 not know your name but they know it’s a big old

19 ass.

20 RUGGLES: Yeah, I’ll give that to you.

21 ROY: It is huge, man. Guess who’s in the

22 office today?

23 RUGGLES: Who?

24 ROY: My favorite, and your favorite. Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 11 of 18 1 RUGGLES: Who?

2 ROY: ______.

3 RUGGLES: ______

4 ROY: Yes. I’m glad you didn’t say anything on

5 the speaker.

6 RUGGLES: I know ______.

7 ROY: I had to take you off quickly.

8 RUGGLES: You know better than to do that.

9 ROY: I should know. How stupid am I?

10 RUGGLES: Oh, man. I mean, ah, ______.

11 You know they were talking. We really wanted

12 to take our engagement pictures out there.

13 ROY: Ah, huh.

14 RUGGLES: I know we could stay at Roy’s house.

15 ROY: Oh, yeah.

16 RUGGLES: But we gotta bring a photographer with

17 us too.

18 ROY: That’s right.

19 RUGGLES: So, um, I think we’re gonna try and

20 ______. I don’t know. It’s a pipedream

21 right now but I’m using all my reward miles.

22 But I want to try and score a deal and go up to

23 Carmel again. Take a photographer and go up

24 there and do all of our engagement pictures. Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 12 of 18 1 It’d be a lot of fun.

2 ROY: Oh, I bet. Have you, what’s the deal with

3 the house? I remember you telling me you, it

4 didn’t work out or something or it was --.

5 RUGGLES: No.

6 ROY: Possibly still on the –

7 RUGGLES: It’s a little bit on the rocks right

8 now but it’s still working alright.

9 ROY: So is your diet.

10 RUGGLES: Yeah. Shut your mouth.

11 ROY: Laughter. Oh, man, how is Heather putting

12 up with this, man? You’re starting this whole

13 thing all over again. Setting up an office, how

14 many miles away?

15 RUGGLES: 17 hundred.

16 ROY: Damn.

17 RUGGLES: She hates it.

18 ROY: I’ll bet she does.

19 RUGGLES: Oh, man. She doesn’t like it. But

20 I’m not working up there all the time like I was

21 with you guys. I’m not living there.

22 ROY: What’s the deal, man? I thought you were

23 gonna be doing something else.

24 RUGGLES: Man, just kind of – Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 13 of 18 1 ROY: Still trying to find yourself? Identify

2 crisis?

3 RUGGLES: No, but the real deal is, man, that I

4 came home and after I got back I was so tired of

5 traveling, you know every weekend and stuff.

6 ROY: Um, hum.

7 RUGGLES: I said, you know, I just had to double

8 think when I got back, I just don’t want to go

9 to work ______. They hadn’t named a

10 successor. All I was doing was setting myself

11 up . I said you’re gonna be up to 2

12 or three weeks of my life. Fuck that. I don’t

13 want to do that. So I said, I had to, you know,

14 change plans. I’m going into Origination on

15 March 1 but I’m going to do Product Development.

16 Um, more building the vacuum cleaners and then

17 I’ll let somebody else go out and sell them.

18 ROY: Okay.

19 RUGGLES: I’ll still be on the commercial side.

20 ROY: I got you.

21 RUGGLES: I’ll still be getting commercial bonus

22 but, you know, I won’t have to travel as much.

23 ROY: Well, that’s nice. That’s what you want.

24 RUGGLES: It’s exactly what I want. Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 14 of 18 1 ROY: Maybe Heather doesn’t want that. Maybe she

2 wants your ass to be on the road. (Laugher)

3 RUGGLES: Maybe so.

4 ROY: Are you in Houston, man? I don’t see the

5 number.

6 RUGGLES: I’m sorry man.

7 ROY: You, ah, you’re gonna have to get over

8 there. It’s late there, man. What –

9 RUGGLES: It’s got 3 minutes ‘til quitting time.

10 ROY: You watching the clock. You packed up

11 starting at 3 o’clock, waiting for the 5 o’clock

12 hour. (Laugher)

13 RUGGLES: I’ve got my whopper loaded.

14 ROY: I’ll bet you do. Yeah, man. Well, it was

15 nice talking to you, Bud.

16 RUGGLES: Yeah, likewise. I gotta get out, I

17 gotta figure out a reason to get out there. We

18 got to go hang out and do some stuff. I can’t

19 believe I’m not living there any more. That was

20 a fun time.

21 ROY: It was. But it was tough on your

22 relationship, I’m sure.

23 RUGGLES: Oh, my god. The, yeah. Yeah it was.

24 ROY: Well, we’re gonna see you the first of Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 15 of 18 1 February.

2 RUGGLES: Yeah.

3 ROY: Hank, Gary and myself.

4 RUGGLES: Yeah, I’m trying to get a flight out

5 there right now. They’re pricey.

6 ROY: Are they?

7 RUGGLES: Oh, yeah.

8 ROY: Well, I think Hank got like, under $400

9 for round trip.

10 RUGGLES: I know. But I can’t, I can’t I can’t

11 do it, um.

12 ROY: But you’re coming from a different

13 location.

14 RUGGLES: Yeah. There so fricking pricey from

15 here, man.

16 ROY: Are they?

17 RUGGLES: I mean, I got Heather out there. If

18 you don’t do a Saturday night stay it’s well

19 over a thousand bucks.

20 ROY: Well, what if you do a hop to San Diego?

21 Is it better that way, if you hop to San Diego

22 or LA and from LA to –

23 RUGGLES: Well, I’m gonna look into that. I

24 think it was, ah, it wasn’t very good. Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 16 of 18 1 ROY: No?

2 RUGGLES: Yeah. So, cause you guys are coming

3 in Saturday afternoon, aren’t you?

4 ROY: Ah, yes.

5 RUGGLES: See, I’ve got a marriage prep class

6 that I have to go to.

7 ROY: Um, teach you how to say yes, ma’am, yes,

8 honey. Whatever, honey.

9 RUGGLES: Ah, where do I sign, honey?

10 ROY: Yes, exactly.

11 RUGGLES: So, yeah. Anyway.

12 ROY: Okay, man. Well, good luck and we will

13 see you soon.

14 RUGGLES: Okay, bro.

15 ROY: Okay, Buddy. Take care.

16 RUGGLES: Bye. Hey,

17 ROY: What’s that?

18 RUGGLES: Hey, a, tie me into Beth real quick.

19 ROY: Beth, I don’t see her. She must have just

20 walked off.

21 RUGGLES: She’s not in her office?

22 ROY: Oh, there she is behind me. Shit. Okay,

23 hang on one second.

24 (End of recording) Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 17 of 18 1 Exhibit No. CAT-_____ Page 18 of 18 1

2 C E R T I F I C A T E

3 The prior proceedings were transcribed from

4 audio files and have been transcribed to the

5 best of my ability.

6

7 Signature /s/ Stephanie A. Norman

8 Date October 4, 2013 9