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DISCLAIMER Uno cial Hansard This transcript of Parliamentary proceedings is an uno cial version of the Hansard and may contain inaccuracies. It is hereby published for general purposes only. The nal edited version of the Hansard will be published when available and can be obtained from the Assistant Clerk (Editorial). THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Mabuse M. Pule, MP. (Mochudi East)

Clerk of the National Assembly - Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel - Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) - Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP. - President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) - Vice President Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP. ( South) - Administration

Hon. K. T. Mmusi, MP. (-) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon. Dr L. Kwape, MP. (Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Goodhope-Mabule ) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon. K. S. Gare, MP. (Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation Hon. P. K. Kereng, MP. (Specially Elected) - and Tourism Hon. Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP. (Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon. T.M. Segokgo, MP. (Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. T. M. Rakgare, MP. () - Development

Hon. A. M. Mokgethi, MP. (Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon. Dr T. Matsheka, MP. (Lobatse) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP. (Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP. (Tati East) - Technology Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Hon. L. M. Moagi, MP. (Ramotswa) - Energy Security

Hon. P. O. Serame, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. M. Balopi, MP. (Gaborone North) - Development

Hon. M. Kgafela, MP. (Mochudi West) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Hon. D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP. (Gaborone South) - Public Administration Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP. (Specially Elected) - Development Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. S. N. Modukanele, MP. (Lerala -Maunatlala) - Development Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Hon. B. Manake, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP. (Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. N. W. T. Makwinja, MP. (-) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education

Hon. M. S. Molebatsi, MP. (Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. H. B. Billy, MP. (Francistown East) - Development Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP. (Chobe) - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

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RULING PARTY ( Democratic Party) Hon. L. Kablay, MP. (Government Whip) - Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. Specially Elected Hon. M. R. Reatile, MP. -Mabutsane Hon. P. Majaga, MP. Nata-Gweta Hon. J. S. Brooks, MP. Kgalagadi South Hon. C. Greeff, MP. Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. T. Letsholo, MP. Kanye North Hon. T. F. Leuwe, MP. Takatokwane Hon. T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP. Gaborone Central Hon. S. N. Moabi, MP. Tati West Hon. T. Monnakgotla, MP. Kgalagadi North Hon. P. K. Motaosane, MP. - Hon. O. Regoeng, MP. Molepolole North Hon. J. L. Thiite, MP. Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. D. Saleshando, MP. (Leader of Opposition) Maun West Hon. P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP. (Opposition Whip) Tonota Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP. Selebi Phikwe West Hon. Y. Boko, MP Mahalapye East Hon. Dr K. Gobotswang, MP. Sefhare-Ramokgonami Hon. C. K. Hikuama, MP. Ngami Hon. K. K. Kapinga, MP Okavango Hon. G. Kekgonegile, MP. Maun East Hon. A. Lesaso, MP. Shoshong Hon. T. B. Lucas, MP. Bobonong Hon. M. G. J. Motsamai, MP. Ghanzi South Hon. K. Nkawana, MP. Selebi Phikwe East Hon. O. Ramogapi, MP. Palapye Hon. Dr N. Tshabang, MP. Nkange Hon. D. Tshere, MP. Mahalapye West (Botswana Patriotic Front) Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. Serowe West Hon. L. Lesedi, MP. Serowe South Hon. B. Mathoothe, MP. Serowe North (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP. Francistown South (Independent Member of Parliament) Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP. Francistown West TABLE OF CONTENTS THE THIRD MEETING OF THE FIRST SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT THURSDAY 3RD SEPTEMBER, 2020

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APPROVAL OF THE MID-TERM REVIEW OF NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 11: 2017/2018 – 2022/2023 Sectoral Debate: Chapter 6 Sustainable Environment (Resumed Debate)...... 1-12

Sectoral Debate:Chapter 7 Governance, Peace and Security...... 13-21 (Resumed Debate)...... 56-59

QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...... 22-32 QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE...... 32

BILLS Media Practitioners (Repeal) Bill, 2019 (No. 29 of 2019) Second Reading (Resumed Debate)...... 32-45

Prisons (Amendment) Bill, 2019 (No. 26 of 2019) Second Reading...... 46-55

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Thursday 3rd September, 2020 e nne bone ba ba re bolelelang, ba re kaetsa gore totatota tsela pedi re tseye efe, go na le go tla ka policies that do THE ASSEMBLY met at 11:00 a.m. not address se banana ba se akanyang. Golo moo go ka (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) re thusa gore when we draft policies tsa rona, re bo re itse gore di itebagantse tota le se se tlhokiwang ke bone P R A Y E R S banana.

* * * * Gongwe e nngwe gape e ntse e le mo ministry one wa ga Honourable Rakgare, ke mo kope; kwa Kumakwane re MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Order! Order! eletsa gore go nne le a library ka gore bana gompieno Honourable Members, good morning. Let us start our tota go bokete gore ba kgone go nna le kwa e reng fa business of today with a Motion. sekole se dule kana ka weekends, ba bo ba ka kgona APPROVAL OF THE MID- go ya go dira studies tsa bone ba sosologile, ba bona TERM REVIEW OF NATIONAL dibuka tse ba ka kgonang to research mo go tsone jaaka DEVELOPMENT PLAN 11: 2017/2018 – re na le mathata a o fitlhelang e le gore kwa dikoleng 2022/2023 ga go na textbooks, barutabana struggle go kgaoganya bana ba dibuka tsa mofuta oo. Ke nngwe ya dikgang tse SECTORAL DEBATE di botlhokwa.

CHAPTER 6 Fa ke feta ka eo, ke boele fela fa go Local Government, ke kope Rre Molale gore a e re jaaka fa re akanya, ke SUSTAINABLE ENVIRONMENT lebogela kgang e ba e akanyang gore dingwe tsa sub- (Resumed Debate) districts di tlaa dirwa fully-fledged districts, a di se ka tsa dirwa jalo pele sub-districts tsa bo Thamaga, MR SPEAKER: We are resuming the sectoral Mmadinare le Lentsweletau di ise di dirwe sub-districts discussion of the National Development Plan (NDP) tse di tletseng, tsa neelwa ditsompelo tsotlhe tse di 11 2017/2018 to 2022/2023, with Chapter 6 being tshwanetseng. Mogopolo o montle, mme kana fa e ka Sustainable Environment. When the House adjourned re ngwana a file yo mongwe loaf, yo o iseng o mo fe le yesterday, Honourable Motaosane was on the floor fa e le lephatlo la kuku, o bo o taboga o boa o ya go fa debating and he was left with four minutes 35 seconds. yole jaanong kgomo yotlhe, go tlaabo go sa siama. A re simolole ka tsone sub-districts tse; Thamaga being MR MOTAOSANE (THAMAGA-KUMAKWANE): the first one mo list ya tse di tshwanetseng go dirwa mo Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke dumela gore maabane fa re ngwageng wa 2021/2022. Ke kopa jalo Rre Molale. ema fa ke ne ke buile thata ka dikgang tse di tshwanang le tsa ditsela. Ke dumela gore batsadi ba utlwile, bogolo E nngwe e ntse e le mo lephateng la ga Rre Molale; thata ka fa ke buileng ka ditsela tse di yang kwa bo Dikgosi. Go na le bothata kwa metseng e e tshwanang Kubung le . le bo le Lesilakgokong; diofisi di foo ga di shafadiwe (maintained). Lesilakgokong e le nngwe ya Ke re gape ke lebagane le wena Motlotlegi Tona; fa tse ke eletsang go bona gore di ya go shafadiwa, di sale Kumakwane, go na le ditsa tlholego fela tse di kgatlhang di kgaogana le go dirwa ka nako e di dirilweng ka yone, thata, tse re kopang gore o tle go di bona, o re sekasekise ga di ise di ko di bone maintenance. e bile o re thuse le ka mogopolo wa gore re ka dira jang gore bojanala mo kgaolong eo re bo rotloetse. Jaaka fa Kwa Kotolaname ke ikuele, ga re na Kgosi. Ke kopa bo Kolobeng, go na le ka fa bodibeng jwa dingaka, ke gore a Kgosi yo o saleng a re tlogetse, mowa wa gagwe lefelo le le ntle thata. Fa re ne re ka bona ka fa re ka o robale ka kagiso, re setse re na le go fetsa ngwaga thusiwang ka teng go kgona go dira gore bojanala bo Kgosi yoo a re tlogetse. A kgang e e se ka ya diega ka simologe teng foo, le morafe wa Kumakwane o ne o ka gore dilo tsa motse di a sokola ka gore jaanong ga go na kgona go tsenya mabogo. ene yo o thusang.

Kgang e nngwe e ke eletsang gore ke bue ka yone ke ya Kwa bofelong ke akgole wena Tona, yo o neng o re baya banana. Ke kope Rre Rakgare gore mo kgannyeng e ya pele kgang e ke re mma, tswelela fela jalo, re tlaa go banana, re tshwanetse go phutha banana re bue le bone, ema nokeng ka fa ke bonang o dira ka teng. Ke a leboga.

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MR SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): Ke a go leboga Trusts; go na le mathata le fa gotwe ke tsone tse morafe Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke leboge o ka bong o tsena ka tsone. Re ne re dikologa le Komiti le Tona ka pego e a re e beileng pele mo boemong ya Tourism bosheng re kopana le bone ba Trusts, ga jwa Matona a mangwe a a tshwaraganetseng le yone gona kwa Trust e sa leleng ka fa Puso e e tsayang ka maphata a re buang ka one. teng gongwe le gongwe. Ga ba na leases tsa mafelo a gotweng ke a bone, fa gotwe go batlilwe mogwebi yo Ke emetse kgaolo e baagi ba yone ba tshelang le o tla tshwaraganang le bone, ga ba na seabe sepe sa diphologolo tsa naga, e se ka go itlhophela ga bone, e le go itlhophela mogwebi yo ba mmatlang, they are so se ba tsholetsweng mo go sone. Mme kana golo mo go disempowered, ga ba itse le the terms and conditions; na le dilo dingwe tse go tlang le tsone, tse di ba bayang gore go dumalanwe eng le mogwebi yo gotweng ba ka fa mosing. Ke ka go fa dikai; sekai se setona se se teng tshwaragane le ene. ke gore fa le nna le diphologolo, dipoelo tse le di bonang mo go se Motswana a tlwaetseng go itshetsa ka sone, e HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. leng temo le leruo, di kwa tlase. Kgomo e e ruetsweng kwa Ngamiland ga e ka ke ya bona madi a a lekanang MR SALESHANDO: I will take the clarification. le kgomo ya kwa kana kwa SandVeld; kwa ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL Central District. Go lema le gone ke mathata ka gore GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT diphologolo di senyetsa baagi ba dikgaolo tsone tse. Se (MR MODUKANELE): Clarification. Tanki the se tshwenyang Tona ke gore e re ba na le bothata jo ba Leader... lebaganeng le jone jo, ba bo ba sa bone dipoelo tse di kwa godimo mo bojanaleng jo ba tshelelang mo go jone. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Bua ka bonako. Bojanala bo tlisa madi a mantsi mo lefatsheng la MR MODUKANELE: …of Opposition. Ke tlaa bua Botswana mme dikgaolo tse di tlisang madi a mantsi ka bonako motho wetsho. Ke goroga ke utlwa o bua ka a bojanala, di eteletse pele ka maemo a lehuma. Ga gore bana ba tsamaya ba sa tswala jalojalo. Gone kwa go a tshwanelwa go ka bo go ntse jalo. Re a itse gore lefelong leo, a bo mmaboipelego ba teng? Fa e le gore diphologolo tse ga se tsa rona re le nosi mme go utlwisa ba teng Honourable Member, a ba itse ka diemo tse kana botlhoko fa e le gore e tlaa re fa gare ga dikhumo tsa o kile wa nna le nako ya go ka ba di lemotsha? Thank bojanala, fa go buiwa ka dipalo tsa lehuma, re nna re you Mr Speaker. balelwa kwa godimo mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Ngamiland ke gone kwa bahumi botlhe ba lefatshe ba ba MR SALESHANDO: Ke bua ka se ke se boneng sa etelang mo ba felelang teng. A o bua ka bo Prince Harry, lehuma, and the point I am making ga e ka ke ya fetolwa bo mang, re ba bone botlhe kwa Ngamiland. Mme fa ke gore a mmaboipelego o teng kana ga a yo. Re bua o ka ya golo gongwe, ke gore ke batla go go fa sekai ka motse o o bapileng le dikhumo tse di tlisiwang ke sa motse o le mongwefela, o ke itseng gore ka tiro ya bojanala, mme lehuma la teng, batho bao ga ba a bojanala, nako nngwe o tlaa kgabola teng fa e le gore tshwanela go baya mo go mmaboipelego, ba tshwanetse ga o ise o ye teng. Go na le motse o bidiwa Xaxaba mo go ka bo ba bona dipoelo mo bojanaleng jo ba tshelelang Maun West, lehuma la teng ke le o santseng o bona bana mo go jone. Ke sone se ke se buang. up to 10 years Mr Speaker, ba tsamaya ba sa tswala sepe HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… mo motseng. E se gore ba iphokisa phefo, e le ka mabaka a lehuma. Ke a itse gore golo moo ga go a tlwaelesega MR SALESHANDO: Mo go yone ya tourism… mo mafelong a mantsi a Batswana a ke ileng kwa go one, mme koo o santse o kgona go kopana le ngwana wa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further clarification Mr dingwaga tse di ka nnang 10, kana ke raya a sa tswala le Speaker. fa ele sepe. O bona gore moo ke lone lehuma. MR SALESHANDO: I am not yielding now. Mo go Less than a kilometre go tswa mo motseng wa teng, yone gape ya tourism e ke sa e boneng mo Mid-Term o fitlhela a five-star lodge facility e o ka se dumeleng Review (MTR), gape e seyo mo draft policy ya Tourism gore o mo Africa fa o le mo teng. Ga ke bone sepe se e e tshwanetseng go tla mo Palamenteng e, ke kgang ya se buiwang gore go ya go fetolwa jang seemo se mo revenue leakages in the Tourism Sector. Mafatshe a a dingwageng tse di setseng tsa National Development senang diphologolo, a bona dipoelo ka diphologolo tsa Plan (NDP) 11. Botswana go feta jaaka Botswana a bona dipoelo mo

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teng. Fa mojanala a emelela kwa lefatsheng la America re fitlhetse go ntse go senyegile. E ne e ntse le Domkrag a tla mo Botswana, o duela madi ao kwa dikomponeng e e busang, le gompieno ke ntse ke yone. Ga ke tseye tse di kwa America. O dirisa difofane tsa mafatshe a gore o ka tsaya dingwaga tse di fetang bobedi o palelwa sele, o kgona go goroga mo Botswana a ise a kgome fela ke go tlisa molao wa gore Batswana le bone ba nne le fa e le sefofane sepe kana any mode of transport wa le seabe mo Mohameng wa Bojanala mo concessions. Botswana, a bo a tsena foo a akola bojanala jwa rona, a bo a boela gae kwa madi a ileng teng ka bontsi. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… MR SALESHANDO: Se re ka se keng ra se amogela Ba University of Botswana (UB) kwa Okavango, ba kile ke gore e re fa le didimetse jaana, le santse le ipaakanya ba dira dipatlisiso dingwe tse di neng di supa gore these jaaka go diragetse kwa Banyana Farms, gore kamoso le leakages may be up to 70 per cent. In other words, mo bo le ntsha concessions mme re bo re fitlhela e le lona go P100.00 mongwe le mongwe wa mojanala yo o tlang gape le fodileng kwa pele le re le lona le Batswana le kwano, go tla P30.00 fela mo Botswana; P70.00 o sala tshwanetse go di neelwa. Go setse go na le sekai sa gore kwa ntle. Bone ba ba akolang P70.00 yo, ga ba na mathata le tsamaisa jang, fa e le gore le ya go dira jalo, go tlaabo a human-wildlife conflict,ga ba a aramela mogote; ba ba go sa amogelesege. o aramelang mo Botswana, ba bona dichenchi (changes) mo mading a bojanala. Ke tshwenngwa ke gore ga ke HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… bone gope fa Tona a itebaganyang le kgang ya revenue leakages. Go na le dipatlisiso tse dintsi tse di kileng tsa MR SALESHANDO: Go tlaabo go sa amogelesege fa dirwa, ba European Commission le bone ba di dira, le e le gore tidimalo e e raya gore le santse le ipaakanya. Bank of Botswana ba kile ba kwala ka kgang e mo their Mr Speaker, wa itse gore Palamente e fa e tsena, Tautona annual reports, but ga go lebege e ba tshwenya kwa o ne a bua mo mafelong a mantsi a re, ka Palamente Ministry wa Tourism. Fa e le gore re tlaa tswelela ka ya July ke ya go tlisa molao wa Citizen Economic tsela yone e, re ntse re itse gore diteemane le kopore tse Empowerment (CEE), ke ya go o baya monwana, re mo re nang le tsone di akolwa kwa mafatsheng a sele, re bo go September mme ga o yo. I can tell you now gore fa o re re le madi a bojanala a akolwe kwa mafatsheng a sele, ne o utlwa Rre Molale maabane a sa re molao wa CEE, re palelwa ke go tla ka gore mme gone mo dingwageng ke gore ba o fetogetse. Bone ba Tautona a neng a ba tse pedi, tse tharo tse di setseng tsa NDP, re ya go dira bitsa borampeetšhane pele, o ja le bone, jaanong molao eng gore bokete jwa madi a a tle mo lefatsheng la oo ga o tle, gatwe re tlile go tlisetswa setshosa sengwe Botswana. Ga ke amogele karabo e ke a tleng ke utlwe e se bidiwa Economic Inclusion Law, ba fetogetse CEE. buiwa gotwe nnyaa, kana you can book a travel agency Fa o bona go didimetswe jaana molao o sa tle, mabaka gongwe le gongwe. Batswana ba bantsi ba ba yang kwa ke one a, mme ke a itse gore le kwa Bojanaleng, re mafatsheng a sele, malatsi a ba ya kwa mafatsheng a tlaabo re bolelelwa sone se, gore jaanong ga gona CEE, tshwana le China go ya go reka dilwana, mme ga gona re fetogile re bone mo gongwe re go biditse Economic madi ape a o ka reng o ya go reka dilo kwa China, a bo Inclusion Law; e e sa reyeng sepe se se kalokalo. Ke a a sala mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Fa o batla go ijesa itse gore go a bo go iwa kae. monate kwa South Africa during holidays, ga gona madi Dituelo mo Bojanaleng le conditions of service; mabaka a a salang mo Botswana, wena o akola bojanala koo. a ba berekelang mo go one e santse e le mathata ka Selo se se batla boeteledipele mo Lephateng la Tourism. gore ba Lephata la Labour, ga ba kgone go tsenelela kwa mafelong a mangwe a. Fa e le mathata jaana, go Citizen participation; kana le fa re bua gore benggae raya gore bone ba sale ba dule mo ditirong pele ga ba nne le seabe, re bo re bua dipalo, go le gantsi dipalo the first lockdown mo lefatsheng la Botswana ka gore tse re di buang, ke mo o ka reng low value investments. bajanala ba ne ba sa tle; Europe was closed down, before Re a itse gore fa re bua ka tsa madi a a kwa godimo tsa Corona e goroga kwano, ba ne ba ntse ba sa bone ditiro. peeletso, bontsi jwa tsone di mo diatleng tsa batswakwa. Jaanong, ka fa go diegiwang ka teng gore ba thusiwe, Ka 2018 kwa Kgotleng ya Maun, Tautona Masisi o ne a gore mo nakong ya gompieno re bo re santse re bua etetse teng a bolelela batho ba Ngamiland gore le bone gore re sekaseka bangwe for wage subsidy ya May, ke ba ya go nna le seabe mo concessions. Ka re ka 2018, two mathata mo kgaolong ya rona. years down the line, ga gona sepe se se fetogileng. Ga le ka ke la tswelela le ntse le botswa gore go senyegile fa Ke batla go digela ka dikgang tsa mining le ya sanitation. kae, le bo le ntse le re, ke yo o neng a le teng pele, rona Mo go ya mining, mo motseng wa Toteng go na le

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kompone gatwe Khoemacau e e yang to mine copper. Ke HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… goletse kwa toropong which was mining copper and ke lebeletse fela gore Khoemacau and Toteng, di tsamaya MR SALESHANDO: Ke bua kgang e ke e amanya mo tseleng ya BCL le Selebi Phikwe. Ga gona sepe se le ya metsi ka gore bosupi bo teng gore pit latrines di Puso ya gompieno e se dirang go leka go rurifatsa gore kgotlela metsi a a ka fa tlase ga lefatshe. Jaanong re a mine ole, o ya go tlogela dikompone tse di ikemetseng bo re beilwe mo pit latrines go kgotlelwa metsi a re ka nosi tse di gwebang le one. Gompieno kwa Selebi tlaabong re beile mo go one gore kamoso re bo re a a Phikwe, ga gona dikompone dipe tse ditona tse o ka nwa. di supang, tse di neng di gweba le BCL, mme o ka di Ya bofelo ke ya solar power. Tona Kereng, ga ke go supa kwa Afrika Borwa le mo mafatsheng a mangwe. ntshe ka leso legolo, e tswa kgakala e toutiwa kgang e, Ga gona sepe se se dirwang gore kopore e, e se ka ya go ntse gotwe nnyaa, re na le marang a letsatsi a a fetang tsamaya e sa tlhotlhiwa e le in its raw form, le gore go a o ka a bonang mo mafatsheng a le mantsi, mme ga re ye go nna le products tsa copper tse di manufactured dire sepe. Ke gakgamala gore gompieno le fa le lebega mo lefatsheng la Botswana. 20 years from now, kwa le batla go dira sengwe, a bo o ipeela target e e kwa tlase Khoemacau… o re, ka 2030, in 10 years’ time, tsholofelo ya gago ke HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… gore e bo bogolo power kana motlakase o re o dirisang, 15 per cent e bo e le wa marang a letsatsi. Go pala eng MR SALESHANDO: Kwa Khoemacau, re tlaabo re gore re re re batla 50 per cent? Mafatshe a mangwe a lela selelo se se tshwanang le sa Selebi Phikwe, mine kgonne go tswa kwa go zero go ya kwa go 50 per cent o tswala re setse ka earth tremors le mahuti a a senang in less than 10 years, mo o bona gore ke botshwakga. sepe, re le mo mathateng, ba ba ikhumisitseng ka mine Fa gotwe ipeele gore o batla go tshwara bokae, o bo o re o, ba boetse kwa gae. Ke yone tsamaiso ya Puso ya mo dingwageng tse di lesome ke batla go tshwara 15 per Domkrag. Gompieno, almost all of subcontractors kwa cent, manifesto o ke wa to fail. Ke a go leboga. Khoemacau, ke dikompone tse di tswang kwa lefatsheng la Afrika Borwa. Le fa o re o bala the employment HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… contract Rre Mpho Balopi, o fitlhela go kwadilwe MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, gotwe the operating law shall be the law of South I now call upon the Minister of Environment, Natural Africa, mme e le employment contract mo Botswana. Resources Conservation and Tourism to reply to the Go bo gotwe nnyaa, Domkrag e diragatsa manifesto wa debate. Honourable Minister; 45 minutes. yone, manifesto o ke wa diphera fa e le gore ke gone ka fa le reng le tlile go tsamaisa ka teng. MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM (MS KERENG): I thank you Minister Speaker. Let me MR SALESHANDO: On sanitation, ka o buile ka take this opportunity Mr Speaker to thank you and to sanitation Tona, Maun ga re na matamo kana letamo thank the Honourable Members for their contributions to gotlhelele. Re beile mo metsing a dinoka, fa di sa tshela, this Thematic Working Group, Chapter 6 on Sustainable re beile mo metsing a a tswang kwa tlase ga lefatshe. Environment. I really wish we had more time to debate Palo ya pit latrines mo motseng wa Maun, tse di mo these issues because ke bona gore go na le a lot of maphateng a Puso, e a gakgamatsa. Tona Molao, o contributions that have been coming through. kgona go fitlhela sekole e le gore 100per cent ya toilets tsa sone e le pit latrines fela. Bana ba bangwe ba setse Mr Speaker, I will start off by appreciating the positive ba kile ba wela mo teng ga pit latrines tseo. Ke gore le fa comments that came from the contributors, different le ntse le bua Fourth Industrial Revolution (4IR), mme Members of Parliament who have acknowledged le ikaegile ka pit latrines, le bona go tsamaelana gore maiteko a re a dirang. Ba bua ka policies jaaka re santse ke gone jaaka Domkrag e dira sentle? Fa go ne go ilwe re tswa go nankola gore re dira policies le mananeo a a go dira inspection, ke ne ka re ke ntsha kgang e go na le farologaneng go leka go tokafatsa ditirelo tsa rona, le go Minister of Local Government and Rural Development, dira dilo tse dintšha go tlhama ditiro mo tikologong ya ke fa a gatelela kgang ya gore, kana re tswa kgakala, ke rona. E bile ba supa fa e le sone se se supa ka fa Puso e gone jaaka re tsweletse pele, ga re a tshwanela go lebala neng e solofeditse Batswana ka teng, mme go supafala kwa re tswang teng. Who can justify pit latrine ka 2020 gore motlhala o ntse o nna teng, o a bonala; re bua ka fa e se moDomkrag? yone transformation. E bile gape ba lemoga gore le

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yone COVID-19 e e re amileng mo go kanakana, ga re HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification! a supafala re eme fela re re batho go bokete, go padile, COVID-19 e re senyeditse. E supa gore re bona go na MS KERENG: Ke tlaa boela kwa go wena. Mma re le tsholofelo le lesedi kwa pele, mme re segile motlhala, tsene ka environmental management, e ke tlaa buang re iteile kobo, re tlhagola tsela, e bile go supafala gore ka yone gore, batlotlegi ba buile gore ba lebogela gore dilo tse dingwe di setse di diragetse. Jaaka re supa gore the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) jaaka re tota mo tourism e bile, tota kamego ke e e nnileng kwa e tlhabolola jaana, e tlile go re thusa gore re fokotse godimo, mme re supile gore mananeo a a ka lekang go ditshenyegelo, re bo re fokotse nako e re e tsayang gore re tsosolosa, ke a a ka nnang ka tsela e e ntseng jang. thuse ba ba tlhokanang le gore ba thusiwe ka ditshwetso tsa rona gore ba tsamaise lenaneo la environment gore Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke kgaogantse businesses tsa bone di kgone go tswelela. Re bua le ka dikarabo kana ditsibogo tsa me go ya ka fa di neng di yone Strategic Environmental Assessment e re yang go tla ka teng go tswa kwa Batlotleging. Go na le kgang tsamaela kwa pele gore re dire the National Strategic ya lefatshe. Mo go yone, go ne go botswa gore ke eng Environment Assessment, e e leng gore kwa pele re fa bangwe e le batho ba ba palo potlana mo Botswana tlaabo re lebelela Botswana ka bophara gore fa go ntse kana mo lefatsheng, ba gapile kana ba na le ditsha tse di jaana mabapi le tikologo, fa project e tla, e bo e fitlhela boitshegang, tse ditona, ba di tshwere jalo lebaka le le re setse re feditse dilo tsa environment. Le gone go tlaa leele, fa batho ba bangwe ba dipalo tse di ntsi ba sena fokotsa ditshenyegelo tsa madi le tsa nako. lefatshe. Ke dumela gore fa Tona ya Lefatshe, Metsi le Le buile ka motlhaba bagaetsho; illegal sand mining, tsa Kgopo ya Metsi a a leswe, a ne a bega pego ya gagwe melapo ya rona re bona gore e setse e bile e fela. Go mo chapter e nngwe, o ne a supile gore maikaelelo a na le gore molapo o se ka wa tlhola o nna le motlhaba bone ke eng go leka go dira land reforms gore Batswana gotlhelele. Fa re bua ka illegal sand mining, ke ne ke e ba kgone go nna le lefatshe la bone, e bile ke dumela lebeletse jaana ka gore re setse re le mo dipuisanyong, e gore ke ene a tlaa tsamaelang kwa pele go ya go tlhalosa bile gape re setse re na le mananeo go leka go laola go gore go diragala ka tsela e e ntseng jang. epiwa ga motlhaba. Wena o tlhalositse mongwame gore o eletsa gore tota motlhaba o neelwe ba ba mo gae pele, Ke supe gore mo lephateng, ke ne ke buile gore go na mme ditsamaiso tseo di tlaa re thusa. Se lephata le se le ditsha, kana mafelo, ka gore mongongoregi kana ikaelelang ke gore, go laola go epa motlhaba mo e seng Mopalamente yo o neng o supile gore, gone kwa e leng ka fa tshwanelong, go tsamaisiwe ke benggae, ba itire ditsha tse di mo toropong, game ranches, le mafelo a badisa le batlhokomedi… bojanala, o kare a mo diatleng tsa batho ba le palonyana fela. Ke supe gore e rile re lebeletse gore mme gone re HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… ka tsenya Batswana jang, tota mo go nneng le lefatshe MS KERENG: Re dira jaana e le lenaneo le e le le nang le boleng, le le ka ba tlisetsang matshelo, ke tlaabong e kete ke Ipelegeng, mme le le botoka go na le ne ke supile gore forest reserves tse pedi, 10 heritage Ipelegeng. Ba re disetse dinoka tse le kwa metlhabeng. sites tse re setseng re di tlhomile, le concessions tse Ke e pataganye le ya go disa batho ba ba tshololelang tlhano, re tlaabo re lebeletse gore di tsene mo diatleng matlakala mo ditsheng tsa batho, ba ba epang pit sand, tsa Batswana go ya ka lenaneo la rona. ba ba latlhelang matlakala mo masimong gore rona re ya go ba itisetsa, re iphira, Goromente a thusa batho ba Go ne go na le ya gore re leke go baakanya tsamaiso mo gae, re ba duela ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, mme re e ya kabo le tsamaiso ya lefatshe fela, gore o tlaa fitlhela lomagantse le lone la ga Rre Molale la Local Economic ditsamaiso tse dingwe di le kwa lephateng le lengwe, Development, e re tlaabong re tsenya batho gore ba tse dingwe di kwa sector e nngwe, gongwe re leke go di itlhokomelele jalo. tokafatsa. Ke dumela gore Matona ba di tshwere sentle ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. Le gone gore land bank le yone Selo se se botlhokwa gone foo ke go gatelela gore go e a tshwenya, e lebelelwe, mme ke dumela gore lephata tlaa nna le tshwanelo gore go nne le penalties kana le le maleba le tsibogetse kgang ya land bank. dikatlholo tse di maleba. Ga re ka ke ra re motho ke yo o ne a laisitse motlhaba fela re bo re re nnyaa, mme re mo Go ne go na le kgang ya gore go lekwe go fefosiwa kabo kgalemetse, mapodise mo kgalemeleng re tsamayeng. ya ditsha. Ke dumela gore ke selo se se botlhokwa, se se Re batla go tsenya thupa golo foo, ka gore fa re lebeletse tsibogetsweng le sone. tikologo ya rona, e leswe, ga e a siama.

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Ke bue gape ka ya tlhokomelo tikologo; waste ga go babalela tikologo kwa dikgaolong di tshwana le management. Re bua ka gore, mme gona le gore re bo tsa rona, go ka thusa thata Tona. Ke ne ke re gongwe le re ntse re lwa ka leswe le le kanakana, re bone tshono yone o e lebe. ya go ka dira dikgwebo, go tsenya madi, kana go fetlha madi mo lesweng. Re bua ka recycling of materials, Ya motlhaba le yone e re fa ba ntse ba ipopa ditlhopha recycling of water, re tokafatse kana re tseye metsi one jaana, kana o na le lenaneo la Community-Based Natural a a leswe, re kgone go a dirisa gongwe go ntsha dijwalo Resource Management (CBNRM) le ke tsayang gore le ka one. Ke supe gore gone foo, ke buile mo pegong tlaa thusa gore dilo tse di tshwanang le tse batho ba ka ya me gore re tlaabo re lebeletse landfills kwa go ithusang ka tsone mo tikologong, ba di babalele, ba di tshololelwang matlakala teng, re bo re sega dikidinyana dirise ka go dirisa makgotlana a. Ke a leboga. foo tsa setsha gore banana ba rona ba tsene ba ba dirang MS KERENG: Ke a leboga. Nnyaa, ke a utlwala. Se re recycling, pampiri, plastic, dithaere jalo, ba bangwe ba se buang ke gore, ditsompelo tse re nang le tsone, re di dira furniture, dilo tse di kgabisang tse di rekisiwang, dirise to the maximum. Re di dirise ka tsela e e tletseng mme e bo e le rona re le Goromente a re di reke di na le e di ka re thusang go babalela tikologo, go somarela boleng jo re ka bo dirisang. matshelo le go tsenya letseno. Rra, ke dumela gore ...

Re ba thusa gore kwa bofelong, e bo e le dilo tse di HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. ka rekisiwang, di bo di rekisediwa ba mafatshe a MS KERENG: Mma ke fetse sentence. Ke dumela gore mangwe. Ke bua ka biogas; tiriso ya boloko le leswe magala rra a ka bereka. Jaaka o bua gore re tshwaragane la mo lwapeng. Ke tswa go bona project e nngwe kwa le ba Ministry of Mineral Resources, Green Technology Block 5, go tsewa leswe le re le latlhang in the kitchen, and Energy Security, ba ka thusa. Ke supe gore kana go magobe, matlapi a ditapole, go bo go dirwa biogas. Go tsamaelana le maikaelelo a rona a gore re dire Fourth bo go tsewa gas e, o ya masimo ka yone o ya go laeta. Industrial Revolution (4IR) e re tlaabo re tsena ka Ke dilo tse re tlaabo re rotloetsa Batswana gore ba di technology. Fa re setse re ya go bua ka magala gore re ka dire. a dirisa in institutions le mo malwapeng, go botlhokwa gore go nne le appropriate technology. Mme yone eo, Ga re a lebelela big biogas plants or big renewable e boela gape kwa research kwa go Rre Letsholathebe energy plants tse re tlaabong re di dira at national scale, gore re tswe ka innovations around technology tse di ka re batla le wena o le mo lelwapeng, matlakala ao o a sile, re thusang gore re dirise mananeo ao. o ntshe dilo tse di ka nnang mosola. Fa re le foo, go na le Waste Management Policy e re tlaabo re e dirisa go nna MR LESASO: On a point of elucidation. Mr Speaker, ke jalo. Ke a leboga. a leboga. Tona, ke a go utlwa ka ya waste management. Ke utlwa o re o batla go thusa banana gore o ba segele HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR sengwe kwa landfill site gore ba itirele ditiro. Ke tsaya TSOGWANE): Elucidation Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga gore golo mo o ka go simolola fa collection. Go nne le Tona ka fa o beileng pego ya gago ka teng le ka fa o fa banana ba ka e simololang teng ka to collect, separate arabang matshwenyego a batlotlegi ka teng. O leka waste before e ya kwa landfill site, le go ba fa ditiro to go supa ka fa ministry wa gago o emeng ka dinao ka transport. Transportation is part of the benefit e ba ka teng. O emetse tikologo e e botlhokwa, e e babalelang nnang le yone gore ba itirele ditiro. Ke gore separation, mohumanegi thata segolobogolo. O re fetise fa Tona, collection and transportation e nna some of ditiro tse ba jaaka o bua jaana, kana sengwe se se amang tikologo, ke ka di bonang and even up to the end kwa landfill, so that go batla tse batho ba ka di dirisang e le tsa energy, mme they benefit. Ke raya gore re se ka ra e lebelela at the kana re na le magala. O bona go le botlhokwa, e bile end, re simolole at collection. go le maleba gore, institutions tsa ga Goromente gantsi, ke tsone tse di gotlhang naga. Fa e le rona ba ba kwa MS KERENG: Ee, mme o e tshwere sentle. Ke a dikgaolong, go remiwa dikgong by these institutions le utlwala. Kgang ke gore tota mo sengwe le sengweng se ba ba senang se ba nang naso go reka gas kana madi a ba re se buang, go na le mo gotweng value chain, gore re ka dirisang motlakase ka one. Fa e ne e le gore magala a simolola process fa kae, re bo re ya go e fetsa fa kae. Re rona a mantsintsi, o ka diragatsa plan ya gore a dirisiwe tlhomamisa gore fa point nngwe le nngwe, e bo go na le go ntsha energy, go thuthafatsa kana go apaya. Fa o ka letseno la madi, e bile gape di tsamaelana gore di tlise tshwaragana le ba Ministry of Mineral Resources, Green mo e leng gore at the end of the day, e bo e le quality e Technology and Energy Security, ke tsaya gore golo mo e siameng.

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Separation of waste bogolo jang in institutions; Waste metsi a a letswai. Fa go na le metsi a a letswai le le ntsi Management Policy e re buang ka yone, e tlaabo e bua go ka thusa gore Batswana ba tsene mo tirong eo, ba gore re kgaoganye waste. Re kgobokanye matlakala le iphepafaletse metsi ao ba a nwa, e bile ba kgone gore ba gone re a phuthe sentle. Fa re a phuthile sentle, mongwe o rekise letswai. tlaa tla go a tsaya, a itse kwa a a isang teng. Protocols tsa gore o tlaa a isa kae, fa a tsena kwa go diragala eng, mo MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND go salang is disposed ka tsela e e ntseng jang, business COOPERATION (DR KWAPE): Elucidation Mr e bo e le gore e ya tswa gone foo, re bo re tswelela. Ga Speaker. Ke a leboga Tona. Ke leboge ka fa o alang ke itse gore a o ne o batla go tsena Motlotlegi Manake kgang ya gago ka teng, bogolo jang e ya metsi. Kana gone jaana. metsi jaaka Honourable Saleshando a ne a bua gore a a kwa tlase ka go tlhoka lesego, ka ga re a tlhabologa, ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL a kgona gore a bo a kgotlelesegile. Ke re go nne le DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MS thulaganyo ya gore metsi a, re se ka ra tswala didiba tse MANAKE): Elucidation. Thank you Honourable re neng re di epile tse di kgotlelesegileng, re dirise metsi Member. I think e tshwana exactly le ya ga Motlotlegi a ka tsela e a ka re tswelang mosola. Jaaka kwa Kanye, Lesaso gore o se ka wa lebala separation from source. metsi a teng ka fa tlase ga lefatshe, jaanong re a dirise Dilo di tsamaye di farologane for recycling purposes. go aga, re nose bogolo jang dijwalo mo malwapeng At the Ministry of Agricultural Development and gore re itirele dijo. Ke re kgang eo mma, o e lebelele Food Security, re batla packaging material. Fa o re o thata mo mafelong a a tshwanang le a metsi a setseng a lebelela newspapers le dipampiri dingwe, di ka dirwa kgotlelesegile kwa go one. locally ka dipampiri tse dintsintsi tse re di dirisang mo Palamenteng. Separation from source; ke ne ke re o se MS KERENG: Ke a leboga. Re a utlwana, metsi a ka wa lebala go bua thata ka yone. Thank you. botlhokwa, re a a batla, mme ka fa re a ntshang le ka fa re a epang ka teng, go tshwanetse go elwe tlhoko gore re MS KERENG: Le e tshwere sentle bakaulengwe. Ke se ka ra tloga ra gobatsa tikologo. ne ke raya gore Honourable Lesaso a tsene, a tle a supe gore tota re mmogo mo mananeong a. E bile ba tlile go Mma ke tsene mo go climate change; batlotlegi ba re thusa. Tota re tshwaraganetse Puso sentle. tsibogetse kgang ya gore tota climate change is a crisis. It is a global crisis, e bile gape ke bothata mo lefatsheng Mma ke tsene mo go tsa metsi le kgopho ya metsi a a la rona. Go supile gore Batswana ba tshwanetse ba leswe; go tlhalositswe gore fa re ntse re re go batliwa rutiwe gore fa re re climate change re raya eng, re metsi a a ka nowang ke Batswana, metsi a epiwa ka fa tlase ga lefatshe. Re tlhomamise gore ga re kgoreletse, raya ba amega jang, e bile ba ka iphemela jang mo ga re kgokgontshe kana ga re sokodise ka fa tlase ga ditlamoragong tsa phetogo ya loapi, jaaka re supa gore lefatshe ka fa go ikadileng ka teng. Mongwe o ne a supa go amana le metsi le lefatshe. gore gongwe dithoromo tse di ka tswa di dirwa ke gore fa re goga metsi a mantsi re sa a laole, kamoso go ka Phetogo ya loapi e amana le tsa botsogo; malwetse tshwenya the underground aquifer. a a farologanyeng a kgona go tla e bile gape e kgona go fetola tikologo, go nna le mauba le dipula tse di Ke supe gore the Water Security Strategy se supa gore feteletseng, mme lefatshe le bo le senyega. Ke dilo tse go tlaabo go na le taolelo ya gore metsi a epiwa ka tsela Batswana ba tshwanetseng go di itse. Sengwe se se e e ntseng jang, a babalelwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang botlhokwa se ba tshwanetseng gore ba se itse ke gore fa bogolo jang a a kwa tlase. Underground water resources go nna le phetogo ya loapi, e bo e fetola ka fa dipula di e mo page 18 ya report e ke letseng ke e bega maabane. Go na le gore metsi fa re a epa, a bo a le mo seemong nang ka teng, le ka nako e dipula di nang ka yone, re le se a ka sekeng a nwege, a le letswaitswai. Ke ne ka balemi jaanong re dira jang. Thuto e e tseneletseng e e gopola project e e kwa Zutshwa ya water desalination botlhokwa ke yone e re tlaabong re itebagantse le yone ya dingwaga, e go ntshiwang letswai mo metsing, a gore balemi ba itse gore ba ka lema jang ka mokgwa bo a ka dirisiwa, letswai le bo le ka rekisiwa. Re ntse o o farologanyeng, ba lema ka dinako dife, ba lema re mo go lone lenaneo la gore itsholelo e ka tswa mo dipeo dife. Mma Manake o bua thata ka climate smart ditsompelong tsa rona. Ke lebeletse gore project eo, e agriculture e e tlaabong e le responsive kana e kgona go ka atolosediwa kwa mafelong a mangwe a a nang le araba le go thibela bokete jwa phetogo jwa loapi.

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MS MANAKE: Elucidation Mr Speaker. O e tshwere se se botlhokwa ke go lebelela gore tota tota dipego sentle Tona. Ke ne ke re ke bue ka yone eo gore ya tsa tepo loapi di tlela Batswana ka nako, di ba latele gompieno ya sewage, fa o tsaya mafelo a tshwana le bo kwa ba leng teng. Fa o le kwa tennyanateng koo kwa Masunga kwa e leng gore ga gona a sewage system, mme Xaxaba, o utlwe gore gatwe dipula di ya go tla leng, fa e ne e le gore go na le sewage system e e siameng, di ya go tla ka seemo se se ntseng jang, ka bokete jo metsi a bo a tlhatswiwa, a ka kgona go dira wetlands mo bo ntseng jang, mme a o ye go lema gone foo kana tshimong e tonatona ele ya setšhaba ya cluster farming, jang. Weather forecast ke information e gotweng it is e ka fokotsa manokonoko a climate change a dipula di localised and decentralised gore Batswana ba itse. tlang late e bile di sa tle di le enough. Le mafelo a a Go na le dipatlisiso gape tse re di dirang, mme re di tshwanang le kwa Letlhakane jaana, kwa go setseng go simolotse tse di re thusitseng gore re dire the National na le batho ba bantsi, mme go tlhokafala gore go nne le Adaptation Framework e e tlaa thusang gore batho ba sewage systems tse di ka dirisiwang mo kgophong ya itse, ba iphemele jang mo bogaleng jwa climate change, metsi a a tlhatswiwang, a bo a boa gape a dirisiwa mo re lebile tsa botsogo, temothuo le tse di farologanyeng temothuong. Ke a leboga Tona. le tsone tsa tiriso ya lefatshe tota. Ke supe gore temo ya ditlhare bagaetsho, o kare re ka tsena mo go yone. MS KERENG: Thank you very much Honourable Ke batla go gatelela kgang e nngwe e e botlhokwa gore Manake. Le nne le mo reetsa thata Honourable kana mo Gaborone, lephata la rona le na le tree nursery Manake… go bapa le River Walk ka fa. Golo koo go rekiwa ditlhare, mme re ya go nonotsha thuto ya setšhaba ka HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation Mr Speaker. go jwala ditlhare gone koo, re ntse re go tlhabolotse. Re MS KERENG: Nnyaa, ga ke na nako jaanong, le batla dira mananeo a mangwe a tikologo, bojanala le a itloso go tlhakatlhakanya. Jaanong ke lona batho ba le begang bodutu. Le tle le tsamaeleng ka koo, re ye go iketsha pego. Honourable Manake fa a bua ka climate smart bodutu, re ntse re ithuta ka temo ya ditlhare. agriculture, le mo utlweng sentle. Projects ka go farologana tse di tlaa dirwang mo dikoleng, mo maphateng di diriwa ke Non- Ke ne ke batla go supa gore mabapi le one maikaelelo a Governmental Organisations (NGOs), re tlaabo re di rona a gore tota sengwe le sengwe se se diragalang, se bo dira. Early warning systems, mo re tlaabong re kgona se na le tshono ya itsholelo, re bua ka opportunities tse di go tsibosa batho gore hei! go tla morwalela, mme e le mo climate change tsa gore fa go diragetse kgotlhego ya selo se ba tlaabong ba tlhaloganya gore morwalela fa o lefatshe e bo e le gore go busetsa lefatshe mo seemong tla, ga go tewe fela gotwe dipula di tlaa tla ka bokete, se le ka dirisiwang, e bo e le jaaka communities di ntse mme o thusiwa go itse gore pula fa e tla ka bokete, tota di tsena mo teng, ba ipaakanyetsa lefatshe leo, go jalwa ke ka ipabalela jang pula e ise e bo e goroge. ditlhare. Pego ya me e supile gore temo ya ditlhare e santse e saletse kwa morago, mme re tsibogele go tsena HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)… mo temong ya ditlhare. Golo mo ka fa go neng go buiwa, ke dumalana le mokaulengwe Rre Nkawana fa a MS KERENG: Ke bue ka tsa human-wildlife conflict; neng a bua gore thuto e e tseneletseng mo Batswaneng, kgotlhakgotlhano fa gare ga batho le diphologolo, re e botlhokwa, le go tshuba diphikwe kwa masimong, go ntse re e utlwa e tla ka bokete jo bontsi e le dipotso le tshuba matlakala mo dijarateng; thuto eo go lebega e le dingongorego jalo, mme e letse e tlhaga le maabane gore tota jaaka re ikaelela gore re tlaa e tsenya e le ntsi gore tota mme yone e dirwa ke eng. A ke gore palo ya mo Batswaneng gore e tle e thuse. Le go rutuntsha ba batho le ya diphologolo di gola ka bontsi, mme tota dikgwebo gore kgwebo ya gago e ntsha mosi, kgwebo go ka dirwa jang? Ke supe gore kana phetogo ya loapi ya gago e dira jang mo tikologong, machines tse o di ke yone e e dirang gore go nne le mauba a a feletsang dirisang di senya lefatshe, ditlhare kana di ka tswa di diphologolo tse, di sena kwa di nwang teng, di bo di senya dijwalo ka tsela e e ntseng jang, mme o ka dira iphitlhela di tsene mo go nnang batho teng, di batla dijo jang gore go se ka ga nna le dilo tse di tshwanang le le metsi. Motlotlegi o ne a supa gore le batho go raya tseo. gore ba kgona go tsenelela diphologolo kwa di leng teng, mme ke supa gore ke a tle ke arabe thata gore the Ke ne ke bua ka Drought Management Strategy gore Elephant Management Plan le Human-wildlife Conflict strategy se ke sone se se tlaabong se re thusa gore fa go Strategy di tlile go re thusa go ka tshela le diphologolo tlileng mauba teng, re kgone go thusa balemi. Sengwe ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Se se botlhokwa e le gore re di

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somarele, mme le tsone di re tsenyetse letseno la madi ra bo re nnela dikgang, re neelana maele. Fa ke ile kwa jaaka go nna le gone go ka tsoma, go ka dira bojanala ka kgaolong, o bone gore re a thusana gore dipuisano di diphologolo jaaka re ne re supa gore le mo masimong re nna teng. Mongwame, morero re o tseneletse, mme re ka kgona go di dirisa. bona o re berekela e bile re santse re tlaa tsamaya, re ya go rera dikgang tse, re thusana le bagarona mo gae. Lenaneo la rona le lengwe ke gore re ye go epa didiba tse di tlaa nosetsang diphologolo kgakala le batho kwa Ke buile ka Elephant Management Plan, ke bo ke supa go tsone, re bo re oketse bodiredi, re bo nonotshe jaaka gore re ya go simolola go tsenya Batswana mo ditirelong e tlaa re fa gotwe re tlhasetswe ke tau kana ditlou, go bo tsa rona tsa go tsamaisa kana tsa go thibela kgotlhang gotwe officer e ya go tswa gongwe kwa Tsabong e ya ya batho le diphologolo gore ba re thuse go laola. E se kwa Hukuntsi go tsaya lebaka le leleele. Lephata le ya ka ya re letsatsi le letsatsi, e bo e le gore wildlife kana go nonotsha bodiredi… badirelapuso ba tle, mme batho ba mo gae ba tlhokana le go itse gore tota bone ba ka dira eng le gore seabe MR TSOGWANE: Elucidation Mr Speaker. O le mo sa bone e nne eng, ba bo ba nonotshiwa ka dithuso tsa go yone ya kgotlhang fa gare ga diphologolo le batho, go tlhaloganya gore ba itse phologolo e, ba itse gore e mathata a dikgaolo tse di tshwanang le tsa rona tsa bo laolwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Ba age diterata tse di Boteti, ka gore o ne o sa supa mo mokwalong wa gago, kganelang diphologolo e le gore ke letseno la madi kana ke go thuse go tlhalosa gore o dirile maiteko a mantsi ka re thama ditiro jalo. Ba kgone go dira tsa maranyane therisanyo gore go tle go nne le terata ya Makgadikgadi tse di ka re thusang ka tsela e e ntseng jalo le NGOs, re e e sa bolong go pala, e sa kgone go dirwa ke ba ba neng bereka le bone jalo. Re tlaabo gape re dirisa Batswana ba le fa pele ga gago kwa ministry. Wena o tlile wa dira gore ba re thuse mo gotweng assessment and the report, ka therisanyo, wa bo wa kgona gore terata eo jaanong, ba re tsenele mo go ba ba senyeditsweng, ba re direle e bo e le mo seemong sa gore e tlaa tsenngwa. E bile ke reports go na le go emela lephata gore le ye go dira bo ke go thuse foo gape gore kgang ya kgotlhang fa gare report, assessment le tse dingwe. Fa go dira batho ba ga diphologolo le batho, go na le madi a a kileng a tswa. mo gae, go tlaa supafala gore mme le fa go na le bothata, O tlhomamise gore a o tlaa ya go tlhotlhomisa gore tota mme ba na le seabe sa gore ba fetole dilo tsa go nna batho ba Khumaga, ba ba neng ba solofeditswe borogo jalo kana bothata jo bo ntseng jalo; the participation of ka madi one a a a thusang batho ba ba mo mafelong a locals in solving kana mo go baakanyeng mathata a a diphologolo, ke ba ba neng ba le foo, a a tlaa dirisiwa le ba amang. gore ba tlaa bona borogo joo kana a ile kwa kae. Seo ke therisanyo kana morero o o o dirileng le batho, mme ke Mma ke tsene mo go tsa tshomarelo tikologo ka one o o ka bepisang kgotlhang fa gare ga diphologolo kakaretso, ke supe gore re ne re tsibosiwa gore re le batho. Ke ne ke re ke go thuse foo Tona gore batho babalele ditsatlholego tsa rona, gore e re kamoso bana ba emetse go bona dithuso tsa go nna jalo, go leka go ba rona ba se ka ba re botsa dipotso tsa gore papa Rre arabela kgotlhang fa gare ga diphologolo le batho. Ke Nkawana, o ne o dira jang ka nako e o neng o bereka a leboga. kwa wildlife fa diphologolo di fedile jaana, go bo go MS KERENG: O kare ke ka re amen, Leader of supa gore gone re ntse re di tlhokometse. Ke supile ka the House. Bagaetsho, rona mo lephateng, re tlotla policies, melao e re setseng re e dirile le e e santseng e ditherisanyo. Le jaaka maabane ke ne ke araba dirwa le mananeo a re santseng re a dira a go babalela Motlotlegi Mopalamente Dr Tshabang, e rile ka Mantaga tikologo. Ke ne ke bua gore sustainable development, fela ene wa beke e, go bo go na le morero o o neng o ke go babalela tikologo gore e re tswele mosola e bile setse e le gore lephata le rerisana le boiteledipele jwa gape e bo e ntse e sa fele kana e sa fokotsege go ya go motse; ma Village Development Committee (VDC), bo fitlhelelwa ke bana ba bana ba rona le dikokomane tsa Kgosi le bo mang gore tota kgang ya go tshwenngwa bone. Ke sone se re se dirang ka conservation e ya rona, ke ditlou, re ka e dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Ke bone mme segolobogolo go botlhokwa go gatelela gore batho go tswa mananeo fela, mme report ya teng e e supang ba kgone go babalela ditsatlholego tsa bone, ke fa ba gore Goromente o ka dira eng, rona re ikaelela go dira eng, ke letse ke e amogela maabane e le tshwaragano. ja sengwe mo go tsone. E seng gotwe ke eng e sa re fa Fa re bona bothata, re bo re simolola re re bangwe ke ditlou di tloletse kwa Zambia di kganelwe koo, di lale ditshwakga kana bangwe ga ba rate go reng, ga re ise re koo. Hei! Re a di tlhoka le rona ka gore ga ke re re batla tlhoafale. Fa re tlhoafala ke fa re ka tla ra nna fa fatshe, go…

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MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND tsa tikologo, re bo re ntse re tsenya letseno la madi mo INDUSTRY (MS SERAME): Elucidation. Thank teng. O se ka wa nteba jalo motlotlegi... you Mr Speaker, ke a leboga Honourable Kereng. O ne HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. o tshwere ntlha e e botlhokwa thata ya gore, gore go nne le sustainable development ke gore batho go nne MS KERENG: Tla ke tsene mo go ya poaching kana le se se ba boelang jaaka mo go tsone ditswammung go re utswela diphologolo, ke supe gore…, nnyaa ga ke kana ditsatlholego. E bile se se botlhokwa jaaka ke ne na nako e ntsi, ema pele. O rile o batla go tsena golo ke go reeditse ke gore, jaaka o dira melao, melawana le gongwe ke go beetse phatlha teng, o batla go tsaya ditsetlana, e bo le bone ba le mo teng, o rerisana le bone. ya bobedi. Kwa poaching, ke supe gore sengwe se re In that same respect, ke sone se go leng botlhokwa se lemogileng ka maiteko a go lwantsha bogodu jwa gore jaaka re dira molao wa economic empowerment diphologolo ke gore, gongwe go supafala gore the re bo re buisanya le batho. Ke tlhalose gore citizen community involvement e santse e le kwa tlase, batho economic empowerment ga se selo se sesha, ke dilo tse ga ba ise ba kgone go nonotshiwa ba bo ba lemotshiwa re sa bolong go di dira dingwaga tse tsotlhe, go na le botlhokwa jwa gore e nne bone ba ba eteletseng mananeo a a farologanyeng le policy tota e ne e le teng. pele kana ke batsayakarolo ba ba botlhokwa mo go Ra simolola dipuisano ka gore tota go botlhokwa gore lwantsheng bogodu jwa diphologolo. se o se direlang batho le bone ba bo ba le mo teng. Ra simolola dipuisano go dira one molao, mo dipuisanong HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. tsa rona ga nna le dikgang tse re leng mo go tsone tse MS KERENG: Mma ke fetse pele ke re, le botlhokwa di neng tsa kgoreletsa dipuisano. Go bo go raya gore jwa go tokafatsa technology kana bodiredi le ditirelo tsa lebelo la rona la go dira molao wa citizen economic maranyane gore ba re thuse gore re kgone gore fa re le empowerment le a fokotsega, ka gore re na le bo social kwa godimo mo lefaufaung, re bo re ka tshwara batho distancing le physical distancing. bao. Intelligence le yone mo re kgonang go itse gore Sengwe se se botlhokwa jaaka ke tlaabo ke nna fa metlhala ya bone, matsipa a ba a dirisang ke afe le go fatshe ke gore, re kile ra dira economic empowerment, rulaganya le ba mafatshe a re tshwarageng le bone gore, but did we empower the right people? Go botlhokwa fa tshenyo e diragala kwa mafatsheng a bone e tsene ka gore fa o tla ka molao o se ka wa tla ka molao o o yang tsela e e ntseng jang. go itumedisa batho ka gore o kwadilwe gotwe citizen Ke supe gore foo, lephata la rona re a le nonotsha, re economic empowerment. E tshwanetse e bo e le molao setse re simolotse dithulaganyo tsa go nonotsha Lephata o o o buisantseng le batho, e bile se se mo teng o ya go le la Diphologolo, gore ba kgone go nna le bokgoni jwa dira gore ba o ba tshwanetseng ke bone ba je sengwe mo go ka lwantsha botlhoko jo bo kanakana jwa tshenyo teng. Ga o tlogele ope kwa ntle, you have to be inclusive ya diphologolo. Go nonotsha bokgoni jwa lephata, ga in that law. Ke tlhomamisetsa Ntlo e gore ka gore go go tewe fela gotwe, tsaya tlhobolo o ye go lwa koo. Re botlhokwa gore o nne inclusive e bile re rerisane widely, raya e le gore ba berekela mo maemong a a siameng, ke sone se re boneng gore molao o o ye go tsena ka ba nna sentle, ba itse gore ba hirwa jang, ba tswa jang November, gore re letlelele even Members of Parliament mo tirong. A lot of conditions tse re tshwanetseng gore ba tle ba tseye the draft Bill and consult kwa dikgaolong, re di dire, e re fa re ya go ba neela gongwe ditlhobolo, then molao o bo o tla ka November. Ke a leboga Mr ba bo ba le mo maemong a a siameng a pereko, ke gone Speaker. dilo tse dintsintsi tseo di tlaa berekang. Le go ruta batho MS KERENG: Fa e ka re re bua ka inclusive fela ka gore diphologolo di botlhokwa, di na le mosola development, re supa gore rona re a tsena, we consult re se ka ra tloga ra fitlhela e le gore gongwe ke bone ba widely re tsenya mongwe le mongwe mo motseletseleng, thusang batho go re senyetsa. wena o bo o iphitlhela o le kwa ntle, e bo kgantele o tla Go ne go na le dikgang tse di neng di buiwa ka go bula fa o re go raya gore dilo tse ga di ka ke tsa bereka, go gates kwa Ngoma ka dinako tse di riling. Ke re ke supe feta botshwakgwa jwa botshwakgatshwakga. gore kana dinako tse di a bong di beilwe gore gate e ya HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… park e tlaa bulwa ka nako e, mme e tswale ka nako mang, go a bo go lebeletswe tshireletso ya batho, diphologolo MS KERENG: Ke ne ke santse ke bua ka tshomarelo le tikologo. Gongwe e tlaa re fa re ka tshwanelwa ke go tikologo, gore re e dira ka tsela e re tlaabong re babalela e lebelela, re bo re simolola ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

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Mongwe o buile gore go na le bangwe ba ba tshwarang technical working group e ya rona, gore dilo tse dingwe diphologolo gatwe Chobe Bushbuck, ba itiretse ga re ka ke ra di kgona fa ba sena seabe kana ba sa re sanctuary koo. Ga ke itse gongwe ba dirile sentle, thuse to facilitate. E tsamaelana le ele ya gore fa re gongwe ga ba dira sentle, re tlaa tla re ya go e lebelela. bua ka tourism re bo re bua ka airpots, facilities tse di tsamaelang le tourism e re batlang go e godisa, ke dilo Re buile ka species management gore e tokafadiwe, tse re di tshwaraganetseng re le lephata. Ke batla go… ke supa gore re tiisa mohama wa rona wa dipatlisiso le Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, e e ne e batla research around biodiversity. Species tsa rona ke dife? nako e telele, I yield. Di kae? Di na le palo e e ntseng jang? Di ka tsenya madi ka tsela e e ntseng jang? Re bo re ya go tsena mo go reng ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL di ka tlhokomelwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Elucidation. Ke a leboga DR KWAPE: Elucidation. O e tshwere sentle Tona, kana Honourable Kereng, ga ke na go go tseela nako. Thank ke wena o tshwereng boikarabelo jwa gore re somarele you Mr Speaker. Minister, o amile golo gongwe ka kgang tikologo. Maabane fa go ntse go buiwa, go builwe e ya Community-Based Natural Resource Management thata ka gore re dirise marang a letsatsi, le Honourable (CBNRM), gongwe o ka e atolosa go supa gore fa re bua Saleshando o ntse a bua ka fa re tshwanetseng go dirisa ka local economic empowerment or development, re bua marang a letsatsi ka teng. Ke lebogela tse le di dirang ka tsone tse di ntseng jaana gore jaaka o bua gore you ka go dira gore Batswana ba simolole go dirisa marang are going to transform it, go nne employer of choice for a letsatsi. E re le ntse le le mo dithulaganyong o na le the youth in the communities tse di tshwanang tsa rona. Honourable Lefoko Moagi, le gokaganye metse gore Fa o akanya place like Lerala, kwa re nang le bommê ba motlakase one o re o dirisang o nne teng gore, fa re ba ikgobokantseng ba leka go dirisa merula for different setse jaanong re kgona go itirele one motlakase o wa things, o leba Kgaolo e tshwana le ya Tswapong ka marang a letsatsi o, re bo re kgona go o gokaganya le bophara, o leba kwa Malaka kwa ba sianasiana ba dirisa one gore Batswana ba kgone go rekisa motlakase. Metse mmupudu jalojalo. e tshwana le wa Kgaolo ya me wa Tsonyane le Gamae e e leng gore marang a letsatsi a setse a beilwe teng, a Dilo tse tsotlhe e ka re kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi tsa e tshwaraganngwe le motlakase o re o tlwaetseng gore dira yone e re e kwadileng mo maitlamong a rona wa e re jaanong re itirela o nna montsi, re kgone go boa Domkrag fa re bua ka job creation. Kana batho ba na re o busetsa. Motse o tshwana le Gamae, gaufi le kwa le go tsaya gore fa gotwe job creation re raya ba ba mo Lotlhakane East mma. ditoropong kana jang. Kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi, bontsi jwa batho ba rona ba gone kwa dikgaolong tsone tsele MS KERENG: Ke gone moo rra, go a utlwala. Fa o Minister. This is a welcome development e gongwe o ka le moemedi wa lefelo kana kgaolo, o tlhaloganya dilo e atolosang mothowetsho go supa gore kwa bofelong tse di tseneletseng tsa gore go ka tokafadiwa ditirelo jwa letsatsi, it dovetails with their manifesto. Thank you ka tsela e e ntseng jang, re a amogela. Ke dumela gore Mr Speaker. mongwame le morero o nne o o tsamaise ka koo, o tle o re o tlele maakanya a a ka isang bagarona kwa pele. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)…

Go na le dikgang tse di neng di buiwa ka ditsela le MS KERENG: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Hei! batlotlegi ditirelo, tsela ya Nata-Maun kana ke yone e e rweleng ba shwegashwegetse kgang ya me tota ya CBNRM, bokete jwa bajanala fa ba tswa kwa ba tswang teng mme re tlhoka nako. Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Ke ne ke ba tsamaela teng ka kwa Ngamiland le Chobe e tle e santse ke ya go wetsa ka yone. Sengwe sa conservation lebelelwe, Tona wa ditsela, ke tsaya gore o e tsere e re batlang go e dira mme e le e e tsenyang letseno, sentle. Go ne go na le e nngwe ya gore re tshwanetse CBNRM programme ya rona e tlaabo e itebagantse le gore fa re bua ka masimo, e bile re batla go tlhabolola mo gotweng natural resource products, tse re kgonang masimo gore re ka kgona go tsenya le diphologolo gore go itirela industries kana businesses ka ditsatlholego go nne le yone value addition mo masimong, bojanala tsa rona. Dikai tsa tsone ke bo morula oil, morula jam, bo tsene mo masimong, go botlhokwa gore go nne ditlolo tse di dirisiwang, mekgabisa (arts and crafts), ba le ditirelo; metsi, motlakase le ditsela ke tsaya gore ba dirisang dithapo le dilo tse di farologanyeng tse di ke dilo tse di tsamaelanang. Ke sone se o bonang ba tswang mo nageng, tse re boneng gore di ka re tsenyetsa Transport and Communications le ba ba metsi ba le mo madi.

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Se se botlhokwa ke se, batho ba ka lone lenaneo le, re ba duela se se duelwang ke bojanala ba re ba tlwaetseng. fitlhela e le gore jaaka ke ne ke ile kwa sengaparileng Ke tsaya gore ke selo se se mo tafoleng. Re buisanya le beke e e fetileng, ke ile go bona gore tota ba dira jang, bone ba ba dirang dikgwebo tseo. ba ka thusiwa jang gore go nne business kana kgwebo e e tseneletseng, ba epa ka mabogo, ba omisa mo mmung Re bone maloba ka dinako tsa COVID-19 fa e simologa foo. So thuso e re tlileng go e dira mo bathong ba ba gore bangwe ba teng kwa makgobokgobong, ba ne ba tshwanang le bone ba ba merula, ditsatlholego tse ntshitse ditlhotlhwa tse di botoka. Batswana ba ba neng di farologanyeng, ke gore re ba thuse gore ba nne le ba ile ba tsile ba itumetse, mme go na le ba bangwe ba ditirelo kana ditsompelo, didirisiwa tse di siameng, ba ba santseng ba re fokotsang foo. Tota le fa gotwe go bo ba bope dikgwebo tse di boleng, tse di maleba, tse fokodiwe, go na le fa o ka fokotsang teng... di ka tsayang dilo tse ba di epang tse, tsa tsenya mo ASSISTANT MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, gotweng value addition mo teng, di ka kgona gore di TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR MOLEBATSI): rekwe ke mojanala a tswa kwa lefatsheng le le rileng. Point of elucidation. Ke a leboga Tona. O e tshwere Dilo tse bomme ba di rwalang tse ba ikgabisang ka sentle Tona. O wetse teng tota kwa maikaelelong a rona tsone, manyena le eng. re le phathi ya Domkrag gore re batla go tlhabolola Kgang e tona ke gore capacity building kana capacity bojanala. Re ne re bona maabane kwa Mmadinare, strengthening ya component ya CBNRM ke gore re kwa matamong go ntshitswe expression of interest nonotshe mohama oo, o tle o kgone gore o ye go bopa gore batho ba ka tla ba supa gore ba ka dira eng ka Trusts tse di dirang dikgwebo tse di maleba tse Mma matamo ale, makgobokgobo ale. Re lebogela seo. Re Serame a ka re thusang go di isa kwa mafatsheng a isa ditsholofetso tsa rona kwa Batswaneng fela jaaka re sele. Go ka nna jang fa e ka re re ntse jalo, re bo re ba solofeditse. Ke a go leboga. bona o tsena mo hoteleng, molora o o tlhapang ka one, MS KERENG: Ke a leboga. O bua nnete. Kana gatwe o bo o dirilwe ka morula oil ke bana ba rona ba mo re a bua ga re dire, mme wena o bua gore ga re bue fela gae? Go ka nna jang sone sengaparile se re se rekang re a dira. Re a go leboga rra. Mme kana go ne ga tsaya gompieno se, re itse gore se tswa kwa ke neng ke le wena o tlhomile ditlhako kwa kgaolong, o nkgogakgoga. teng kwa Phuduhudu kana Inalegolo, se dirilwe ke bana Le maloba fa re le kwa Selebi Phikwe at the workshop, ba Botswana, go na le gore e bo e le gore gompieno o ntsere wa ya go mpusa kwa Mmadinare, o re o batla jaana they have been patented ke batho ba mafatshe a phetogo golo fa. Ka tsamaya le wena ra ya go buisanya sele ka dikompone tse ditona, re sa sireletsa le ka fa le batho ba motse, mme ka boa ka tla go bona gore re ba berekang ka teng? Ke bue ka gore le one marketing ka tshikinya eng fa kae. Go a diragala. Jaanong a re go ba tsenya mo motseletseleng wa gore they can even diriseng tshono e re nang le yone, re fano re batla go export these products ...(interruptions)... re ba thusitse thusa, tlang kwa go rona re bone gore kwa kgaolong ya gore ba kgone... gago re ka tlhoma eng. Ke ne ke setse ke tsena foo ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. bua ka yone ya matamo gore...

MS KERENG: Bagaetsho, ke kopa go wetsa ka gore e HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Elucidation. e tsenang le yone e tlile go batla nako e ntsi. MS KERENG: Iketleng pele. Mma ke fetse ka matamo, Mma ke bue ka kgang ya bofelo ya tourism, agro-tourism, e re o riana o bo o feleletsa. Ke bua ka gone gore game farming and all of that. Ke leboge batlotlegi fa ba katoloso ya bojanala e tsena teng mo matamong. Ke dumalana le rona gore tota bojanala bo tshwanetse jwa yo Honourable Molebatsi o bua gore kwa Mmadinare atologa, bo tsenye dingwe tse di ntseng di se mo teng, bo expression of interest e setse e le teng, Batswana ba ye kwa mafelong a bo ntseng bo seyo teng le teng kwa tlaabo ba tsene koo ba tlhabolola matamo for tourism bo diragalang teng, bo kgone go bulegela Batswana. E e le gore go busy. Le mo Gaborone, ditoropo tsa rona bile mme re mo lenaneong lone leo jaaka ke setse ke re setse re simolotse museum wa rona ke o, re tswa go supile mo dipegong tse di farologanyeng, tse di tlileng dira groundbreaking o a agiwa. E ya go nna museum kwa pele. Re supe gore re ne re bua ka domestic tourism, o o tlileng go nna the hub of Botswana, kwa o tlileng e buiwa ke ba ba letseng ba akgela maabane gore go bona sengwe le sengwe se e leng sa Botswana koo. gongwe go lebelelwe gore tota Batswana fa ba batla go Gaborone Game Reserve le yone fela jalo. Nursery ya go ja bojanala jwa lefatshe la bone, gongwe ba se ka le yone re simolotse go bula ditsela; re ya go tsenya

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dihotele koo, dikgwebo le art centres. Ke gore dilo tse Question put and agreed to. dintsi tse di tlileng go tsaya Botswana di mmaya fela fa. Botswana or Gaborone will become the destination HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… of choice. Fa ke rialo, go batla gore fa re dira jalo, le APPROVAL OF THE MID-TERM lona kwa dikgaolong tsa lona jaaka ke ntse ke bolelelwa REVIEW OF THE NATIONAL ke batlotlegi gore ke na le dikgaga le melapo kwa, DEVELOPMENT PLAN 11: 2017/2018 - tsamayang le ye go dira merero e e tshwanetseng, 2022/2023 le re boneng, re le thuse, le tle le kgone go tsena mo motseletseleng o, bojanala bo aname le lefatshe le, kwa SECTORAL DEBATE bo Kgalagadi ka kwa, lefatshe lotlhe ka bophara. Re CHAPTER 7 ya go atolosetsa kwa art and culture, cultural tourism, religious tourism, sports tourism le dilo ka bontsintsi GOVERNANCE, PEACE AND jalo, mme ga di ba tle o emetse ope, di batla wena o eme SECURITY ka dinao. MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. We are starting a sectoral discussion of the National Development Plan 11 2017/2018 - 2022/2023 with MS KERENG: Ke kopa half ya motsotso ka gore ke a Chapter 7 being Governance, Peace and Security. The go digela rraetsho. lead Ministry for this Chapter is the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security. Please note that 2 hours 25 minutes MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, has been allocated for presentations. SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Point of elucidation. Thank you very MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND much Mr Speaker. Honourable Member, ga ke na go go SECURITY jela nako mme ke ne ke re kgang e ya bojanala e wele MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND sentle. Leader of the Opposition o ntse a bua gore ka SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Thank you Mr Speaker. 2018, Tautona o ne a ya go solofetsa batho ba Ngamiland On the programme it was saying 30 minutes, I see here gore concessions di tlaa tsena mo Batswaneng, mme they have only put 20 minutes. ga se ka ga diragala. I can tell you confidently gore HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… 2018 September, Trust ya banana kwa Okavango e ne ya neelwa concession gone koo. Dikgang tse mogolo MR MMUSI: Ba tlaa baakanya. Thank you Mr a tleng a di bue re bua gore ga di na boammaaruri, ke Speaker. Mr Speaker, I have the honour to present to nngwe ya tsone yone e mma. Bolelela Batswana. this Honourable House, the Governance, Peace and Security (GPS) Thematic Working Group (TWG) MS KERENG: Fa gongwe go batla go bua lona ba le di proposed contribution for the Mid-Term Review of boneng, le tle le re thuse. Jaanong re tlaabo re atolositse National Development Plan (NDP) 11. This TWG like bojanala ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, mme motse mongwe others, is constituted by various members from the le mongwe kana kgaolo nngwe le nngwe is a cultural public sector, private sector, civil society and other non- centre ka boyone. Go batla gore cultural villages e bo state actors. Collaborative partnership and inclusiveness e le gore di tseneletse gongwe le gongwe go anama le will continue to be strengthened as we move forward lefatshe le, Batswana ba ijele lefatshe la bone, ba tsene with our national development agenda envisaged under mo dikgwebong. Ke supe gore museum o agiwa ke Vision 2036. dikonteraka tsa banana e le a consortium. In reviewing the sector, the TWG was cognisant of I therefore Mr Speaker, move that the Sustainable Government priorities as articulated in the Macro- Sectoral Chapter be approved and stand part of the Economic Outline presented by the Minister of Finance Mid-Term Review of the National Development Plan 11. and Economic Development, Transformative Strategic I so move and thank you Mr Speaker. Thrusts and the Economic Recovery and Transformation HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)... Plan, Africa Agenda 2063 as well as Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). Although the full effects of MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister. COVID-19 and its future implications are still evolving,

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particular attention has been paid to the impact of the our vulnerability in important aspect of our lives, pandemic so far to inform the TWG’s proposed plan. including personal, health and food security. We fully acknowledge that without good governance, political Mr Speaker, the desired outcomes under the Governance, stability and peace we will not achieve sustainable Peace and Security thematic area depend on how well economic development, equitable distribution of wealth, Botswana will consolidate good governance as well social upliftment, human and social development, as as strengthen her national security which are the two well as sustainable environment envisioned in Vision national priorities under this TWG. According to the 2036, Sustainable Development Goals and the Africa International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Agenda 2063, to name but a few. Assistance (IDEA), which is an inter-governmental organisation on strengthening democratic institutions Mr Speaker, I would now like to give a general overview and processes, good governance is anchored on of the performance and challenges encountered during democratic principles of “popular control over public the first half of NDP 11 and proposed policies and decision making and decision makers”, which also entail strategies for the remaining period. “equality of respect and voice between citizens in the exercise of that control”. In this regard, the Governance, GOOD GOVERNANCE Peace and Security (GPS) primary outcomes expected ACHIEVEMENTS DURING THE FIRST HALF to be achieved are as follows: OF NDP 11

• Good Governance; which includes participatory Mr Speaker, as I have already indicated, good governance democracy, transparency and accountability as well as a philosophy and practice, enables nations, Botswana as the rule of law. included, to craft and implement quality policies and programmes that result in sustainable national • National security; which encompasses territorial development. In line with the revised Southern African integrity and sovereignty as well as public safety Development Community (SADC) principles and and protection. guidelines governing democratic elections (2015), we Mr Speaker, all these are some of the critical conditions Botswana conducted credible, transparent, peaceful, free for Botswana to become the land of peace, freedom and and fair elections in October 2019 towards improving progressive governance, where corruption and crime in participatory democracy. all forms are not tolerated by ensuring transparency and Mr Speaker, participatory democracy is an accountability across all sectors. The Judicial system institutionalised process and goes beyond the holding should also be accessible and efficient, allowing for full of regular elections to include the enjoyment of socio- enjoyment of rights as guaranteed in the Constitution. cultural and economic rights as equal citizens. Therisanyo In pursuit of participatory democracy, a bottom-up continues to be central to this country’s development development approach driven by decentralisation, endeavours. As a Government, we continue to reach Bogosi and the Kgotla system will remain pivotal in out to non-state actors (private sector and civil society) maintaining social order, national unity and social in an effort to facilitate inclusive Government in line cohesion. The country’s dual legal system and full with Vision 2036 Pillar 4 on Governance, Peace and compliance with the Constitution have gone a long Security; Africa Agenda 2063 Aspiration 3 and SDG way in ensuring that justice is served across all levels 16 on peaceful, inclusive and democratic societies for in society. sustainable development. The Global Peace Index, 2020 ranks Botswana as the world’s 2nd most peaceful African Mr Speaker, I wish to posit that, good Governance, Peace country at position 33 out of 163 countries. and Security remain the pillar upon which achievement of our national aspirations are anchored. As a country, Mr Speaker, in order to improve the effectiveness and we place high premium on human security and will efficiency of the Judicial system and to increase case continue to facilitate human-centred development. We disposal rates, a number of reform initiatives continue want to lead a society in which people are free from to be implemented. These include additional mobile fear, free from gender-based violence, free from hunger courts, specialized courts, revision of High Court and and lead livelihoods that are dignified and secure. The Industrial Court rules, introduction of a Judicial Case COVID-19 pandemic, among other things, exposed Management System and court annexed mediation for

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the Industrial Court; all of which continue to improve for the different case types. For instance, the turnaround efficiency, delivery and integrity of the Judicial system time for civil cases was 65 per cent and for criminal based on the Rule of Law. The rule of law guarantees cases, it stood at 48 per cent in the same period, against equality before the law and ensures that those who a target of 100 per cent respectively. Set turnaround govern are restrained to encroach on the lives of people times are at 24 months for civil cases, and 18 months and guards against abuse of power. In terms of the World for criminal cases. Justice Project (WJP) 2020 ratings on the Rule of Law, Mr Speaker, corruption, maladministration, inadequate Botswana ranked 43rd out of 128 countries and fourth capacity in terms of appropriate human capital, below out of 31 countries in the Sub-Saharan Region. This is par work ethic and culture, organisational structures, an improvement by one place compared to 2019 when systems and processes appear to be among the major the country ranked 44th out of 128 countries. factors challenging implementation of policies and The World Justice Project (WJP) Index measures, programmes, which ultimately undermine Government among other factors; constraint on Government power, effectiveness. The implementation of anti-corruption open Government, absence of corruption, order and measures remains a challenge, and the sophisticated security, civil justice and criminal justice. nature of some of the corruption cases requires enhanced investigative and prosecutorial skills. Systemic Mr Speaker, there has been progress with regard maladministration continues to manifest in the public to strengthening of the legal framework. Botswana sector, a situation that provides fertile opportunity for continues to review its laws to align them with corruption. international standards. To this end, a number of statutes were enacted, reviewed, amended and passed Mr Speaker, oversight institutions are in most cases through Parliament, including the Trade Disputes Act perceived as weak and unable to address corruption Amendment (No.6 of 2016), Cybercrime and Computer and maladministration in the country. The Mo Ibrahim Related Crimes Act (No. 18 of 2018), Proceeds and Index on African Governance (IIAG) 2019 Report, Instruments of Crime Act Amendment (No.8 of 2018), indicates that while overall Botswana remains one of Declaration of Assets and Liabilities Act (No. 12 of the well governed and least corrupt countries in Africa, 2019) and Counter Terrorism Act (No.9 of 2018). there have been signs of decline with a cumulative change of minus 3.7 between 2008 and 2017. This calls Furthermore, in our pursuit of strengthening for collaborative effort across all sectors to ensure that accountability and service excellence, the foundation of as a country we employ robust intervention measures, the National Monitoring and Evaluation System (NMES) any decline in good governance. As a country, we was laid in the first half of National Development Plan remain committed to the rule of law and zero tolerance (NDP) 11. These included development of tools and to corruption. guidelines for monitoring and evaluating performance in the public and private sector, as well as civil Mr Speaker, gender inequality remains a major society. This is a critical milestone given the need for challenge, which is now becoming more pronounced effective monitoring of implementation of programmes, during this period of the COVID-19 pandemic, possibly projects, policies and laws to enhance efficiency and due to the increase of socio-economic stressors. I accountability. note with concern that pre-existing gender inequities and power dynamics continue to fuel Gender Based The just passed general elections, only 49 per cent of Violence (GBV). the total eligible population voted in 2019, compared to 52.4 per cent in 2014. Voter turnout for 2019 stood at 84 PROPOSED POLICIES AND STRATEGIES per cent against a set target of 92 per cent. Low political representation particularly among women and people Mr Speaker, in order to address some of the outlined living with disabilities continues to be a challenge, for challenges, Government has committed to undertake which we will make concerted effort over the remainder a comprehensive and consultative review of the of this plan period to address. Constitution. This critical exercise will among other things strengthen the effectiveness of oversight The justice system continues to experience challenges institutions and enhance good governance in line with of low disposal of cases against target turnaround times the expectations of Batswana.

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Noting the persistent gender inequalities in our society, Moreover, as a member of the international community, Government will embark on intense public education, Botswana is party to a number of international dissemination of the National Policy on Gender and instruments with binding obligations. To ensure Development, as well as capacity building of sectors to compliance to these international obligations, an Inter- undertake gender mainstreaming into their policies and Ministerial Committee has been established. One of the programmes. Alongside these intervention measures, notable achievements is the development of a database Government will be paying particular attention to for all the international instruments to which Botswana enhancing targeted inclusion of women, girls, men and is party. boys in development initiatives. In 2018, Parliament enacted 25 Anti-Money Laundering, Mr Speaker, furthermore, Government will step up effort Counter-Financing of Terrorism and Counter to implement the national strategy towards ending GBV. Proliferation Financing Acts in order to comply with the We will also continue to engage key stakeholders and Financial Action Task Force Recommendations. The service providers to develop community conversations laws were meant to facilitate the country’s technical for comprehensive interventions to combat GBV as a compliance to anti-money laundering standards on the national priority. The national prioritisation of GBV prevention and control of laundering proceeds of crime, will ensure that all sectors and stakeholders are fully financing of terrorism and proliferation of weapons committed and capacitated to address this national of mass destruction. Implementation of these laws is scourge. currently ongoing and will continue to be prioritised to ensure their effectiveness. Mr Speaker, during the second half of NDP 11, one of the priorities for Government is to fast track the rollout Mr Speaker, these laws introduced a new philosophy of and implementation of the National Monitoring and money laundering investigation, with an emphasis on Evaluation System (NMES) to improve efficiency, parallel financial investigation geared towards following particularly in the public sector. In an effort to the trail of the money. Our focus is now on building skills compliment international indices on Botswana, and capacity for the entire Criminal Justice System, localised governance and democracy indices will be particularly law enforcement agencies to enhance their developed to ensure relevant intervention and remedial skills to investigate, analyse and prosecute complex measures aligned to real challenges affecting Batswana. and emerging financial and other trans-national crimes In line with the new result-oriented approach, more including recovering proceeds of crime. focus will be given to data management and security, capacity building and human resource development, As regards the national defence sector, modest succession planning, leadership development and a achievements were in the areas of air capability, force National Corporate Governance Code. protection and deterrence. Given the relatively small size of the defence and security sector, strengthening NATIONAL SECURITY operational capabilities will enhance efforts to achieving deterrence. ACHIEVEMENTS DURING THE FIRST HALF OF NDP 11 CHALLENGES

Mr Speaker, peace and security issues have always been Mr Speaker, emerging global security challenges, such an indispensable condition for a well-functioning state. as cybercrime, terrorism, poaching, human trafficking, In this regard, it is necessary that the content and context illicit drugs, money laundering and trans-national of our strategic policies target and reflect the need to organised crimes continue to threaten Botswana’s safeguard our national safety and security. Provision sovereignty and territorial integrity. Irregular migration of national security in all aspects is fundamental also poses a threat to multi-lateralism. In order to address for economic development, global competitiveness, these, collaborative efforts among relevant stakeholders conducive business environment and overall prosperity. remains paramount and essential.

Mr Speaker, as I have already indicated, Botswana PROPOSED POLICIES AND STRATEGIES continues to be rated one of the world’s most peaceful nations by various international institutions such as the Mr Speaker, in an effort to address these security Global Peace Index and the Global Terrorism Index. challenges, the Government is developing a National

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Security Strategy encompassing Human Security, of the National Development Plan (NDP) 11 under Cyber Security, Energy Security, Economic Security, the Governance, Peace and Security (GPS) Thematic Water Security, Food Security, Land Security et cetera. Working Group (TWG). Botswana will ensure the permanent non-violation of national territory and its effective control by employing My presentation will highlight key achievements and all available national instruments. Furthermore, challenges experienced to date towards the realisation Botswana will continue to nurture and foster bilateral of NDP 11 objectives. I will also present the ministry’s relations with neighbouring countries, international and strategic initiatives aimed at the attainment of sustainable strategic partners to advance issues of national interest. Development Goal 16, which “promotes peaceful This includes the implementation of the South-South and inclusive societies for sustainable development, Cooperation Strategy to promote political and economic providing access to justice for all, and building effective cooperation and integration, as well as forging strategic accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels”. partnerships at regional and multi-lateral levels. Let me in this regard, associate myself with the Mr Speaker, Governance, Peace and Security provide statement made by the Minister of Defence, Justice and the pillar for an enabling environment for sustainable Security and the Chairperson of the Thematic Working and inclusive development, Government effectiveness, Group on Governance, Peace and Security, Honourable strong institutions, human rights, poverty eradication, Kagiso Mmusi. gender equality and the empowerment of women, to mention but a few. This is also vital for the attainment MANDATE OF THE MINISTRY of Vision 2036, Africa Agenda 2063 Aspirations and Mr Speaker, the mandate of the ministry is to promote Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). and safeguard Botswana’s national interests abroad, in Mr Speaker, I must point out that the Chapter which will all areas of human development. This entails cultivating be debated by this Honourable House at a later stage, and maintaining friendly relations at bilateral, regional is a product of consultative engagement among all and international levels. concerned stakeholders. As the custodian of Botswana’s foreign policy, the Mr Speaker, in conclusion, let me thank the entire ministry plays a pivotal role in fostering and protecting membership of the Governance, Peace and Security Botswana’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. It also (GPS) Thematic Working Group (TWG) for the collaborates with relevant stakeholders in the promotion commitment and zeal, which culminated in this comprehensive Chapter, that I am confident, will enjoy of good governance and the rule of law, as well as in the support of this Honourable House. I so submit and contributing towards a diversified economy through the thank you for your attention. promotion of export-led growth. The ministry is also the key driver of regional and multilateral diplomacy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. God bless you all, God bless Botswana. To this end, the ministry plays an instrumental role in ensuring that Botswana, as a good standing member MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister. of the international community, not only meets her Order! Order! Honourable Members, may I now international obligations and commitments, but also call upon the Minister of International Affairs and fully benefits from her strategic partnerships and Cooperation to present. Honourable Dr Kwape, you membership of international bodies. have 20 minutes. NOTABLE ACHIEVEMENTS MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATION Sovereignty and Territorial Integrity

MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND Mr Speaker, the mutually reinforcing nexus between COOPERATION (DR KWAPE): Mr Speaker, I have peace and security and sustainable development has the honour to present to this Honourable House the already been eloquently established. As stated, there contributions of the Ministry of International Affairs can be no sustainable development without peace and and Cooperation to the Mid-Term Review (MTR) stability and vice versa.

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As part of the global community, Botswana needs the As a state party to various human rights treaties, cooperation and support of the international community Botswana continues to honour her international to safeguard her sovereignty and territorial integrity. obligations. In this respect, Botswana actively worked This in turn, contributes immensely towards global with partners through the Human Rights Council. She peace and stability, which is of paramount importance was a member of the Human Rights Council from 2011 given that the modern day security landscape has to 2017. become increasingly complex and sophisticated. The ministry also facilitated Botswana’s reporting These intricate threats have further underlined the obligations to the relevant international treaty bodies. interconnectedness of our global village and irrefutably This includes a report to the Human Rights Council necessitate collective response at regional and Universal Periodic Review Mechanism in 2018, as international levels. well as the submission of reports on the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women, the Mr Speaker, it is in this context that regional cooperation Rights of the Child, the Convention on the Elimination remains the cornerstone of Botswana’s foreign policy. of All Forms of Racial Discrimination and the Botswana thus, continues to cooperate with her International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. neighbours through various bilateral mechanisms, as well as her membership of the Southern African Multilateral Diplomacy Development Community (SADC). Mr Speaker, I am sure we can all agree that multilateralism Botswana has used these bilateral platforms which and multilateral diplomacy have become even more include Joint Permanent Commissions for Cooperation critical in addressing the multifaceted challenges (JPCC) and Bi-National Commissions to advance her that confront humanity today. As such, challenges diplomatic initiatives and to contribute to the Regional of COVID-19 pandemic, poverty, climate change, Integration Agenda. terrorism and cyber security, necessitate that countries work together to foster effective collective responses, Mr Speaker, it will be noted that Botswana has just as well as in mitigating these challenges. Clearly, the taken over the Chairship of SADC Organ on Politics, unprecedented COVID-19 pandemic, which has spared Defence and Security. Botswana will hold this office no country, has become the single greatest challenge until August 2021. During her tenure, Botswana will of our time. No country, big or small can deal with it provide leadership on peace and security issues in the alone. It is therefore, heartening that during this time of region and I will be making a statement in due course in dire need, the international community has risen to the the works of the Organ. challenge, by among others, extending a compassionate hand to support and assist each other. Mr Speaker, it should be noted that prior to the assumption of the Chairship, Botswana was part of the Mr Speaker, Botswana appreciates the support and SADC Organ Troika, and in this regard, contributed cooperation extended by our neighbours in facilitating towards peace-building initiatives and consolidation of the safe return of Batswana during this difficult time, democracy in the region. as well as the continuous flow of goods and services. We are also deeply grateful for the generous support, Mr Speaker, at bilateral level, Botswana engaged assistance and cooperation we have received from our extensively with her strategic partners. This resulted invaluable friends and cooperating partners. in goodwill overtures to Botswana as demonstrated by technical support and donations across the development To this end, the ministry also continues to facilitate spectrum; enhanced trade and investment, as well as Botswana’s access to technical assistance from strengthened bilateral relations. the international community, including through participation in the development of key policies of the At continental level, Botswana continues to play an World Health Organisation (WHO), to which Botswana active role in advancing the transformational agenda assumed Executive Board membership for three years, as envisioned in Agenda 2063, by advocating for a starting May 2020 to June 2023. transparent, inclusive reform process of the African Union. In that regard, Botswana is now a member of the Mr Speaker, as part of ongoing efforts to secure multi- African Union Peer Review Mechanism. sectoral partnerships with a view to contribute towards

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economic diversification, the ministry facilitated Economic Diplomacy Botswana’s participation, led by His Excellency the Mr Speaker, as I just intimated, my ministry remains President to the World Economic Forum (WEF) in central in harnessing international cooperation and January 2020. This has resulted in among others, partnerships to drive Botswana’s development goals. concerted and cooperative efforts to apply advanced In this regard, economic diplomacy is another integral Fourth Industrial Revolution (4IR) technologies towards vehicle of Botswana’s foreign policy towards trade implementation of the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable liberalization, promoting export-led growth, and Development Goals (SDGs), and its 17th Sustainable attracting Foreign Direct Investment (FDI), thus Development Goal. creating employment for Batswana. Botswana has also, in recent years made significant Furthermore, the ministry has facilitated and led progress in obtaining membership of several promotional missions to various countries to market international bodies, and presently holds the following Botswana as an ideal investment and tourism destination. leadership position and roles: Whilst the results of such promotional initiatives take time to bear fruit, others have had significant impact • Africa Regional Director of World Health as evidenced by the operation of major airlines in Organization; Botswana, such as Qatar Airways. Its maiden flight to • Director - Office of the Director General, of the Gaborone was on 15 December 2019. World Health Organisation. I must add here Mr Mr Speaker, I am also pleased to state that Botswana Speaker that Dr Moeti is in the country for a week; has, within the period under review, concluded bilateral • Member and Vice President of Economic and Social visa abolition agreements to facilitate ease of movement, Council (ECOSOC) - January 2020 to December with a number of countries. These include; Angola and 2022; Russia, for all passports, while China, Switzerland and Vietnam; the dispensation is only for diplomatic and • Chair of the Fourth Committee of the 75th Session official passport holders. Visa abolition with India only of the UN General Assembly - September 2020 to covers diplomatic passport holders. Negotiations are September 2021; on-going with other strategic countries.

• Member and Chair of the United Nations (UN) Representation Abroad Committee on Programme and Coordination (CPC) Mr Speaker, as this august House may be aware, - Member June 2018 to June 2020, and Chair June Botswana conducts her foreign policy through her 23 2019 to June 2020; diplomatic Missions abroad. As part of her effort to increase Botswana’s representation abroad, the ministry • Member and Vice President of United Nations opened a resident diplomatic mission in Paris, France, Development Programme (UNDP)/United Nations in February 2019. This development has provided an Population Fund (UNFPA)/United Nations Office opportunity to strengthen relations with France and for Project Services (UNOPS) Executive Board- enhance direct engagement with organisations such as January 2019 to December 2021; the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural • Member of the Commission on Population and Organisation (UNESCO). Development - 2021 to 2025; As it will be appreciated, in order to mitigate some • Co-facilitator together with Montenegro on the of the costs associated with having resident missions process of Alignment of Agendas of United Nations abroad, it is prudent that the ministry secures and General Assembly (UNGA) and Economic and maintains properties in countries where Botswana Social Council (ECOSOC) - 74th Session of UNGA; has representation. In this connection, the ministry purchased a chancery office building in Nairobi, • Coordinator of Africa Group World Trade Kenya in 2018. The ministry is also about to conclude Organisation Matters - January to December 2020; two major projects, being a turnkey office building in Geneva, Switzerland and the construction of chancery • Member of the World Health Organisation Executive building and Diplomatic staff apartments in Addis Board - May 2020 to June 2023. Ababa, Ethiopia.

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Similarly, in line with its responsibility of hosting The ministry is collaborating with the United Nations dignitaries visiting Botswana, the ministry purchased a Development Programme (UNDP) to develop Botswana’s state guest house in Gaborone. South-South and Triangular Cooperation Strategy (SSc/ TrC). The strategy is part of the implementation of Goal KEY CHALLENGES 17 of the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) on Mr Speaker, as previously stated, our diplomatic partnerships. It encourages countries to enhance South- missions play a critical role in driving our foreign policy South and Triangular Cooperation to support national initiatives which include promoting the country as a plans to implement SDGs. The strategy will serve destination of investment and tourism. However, our as a blueprint of Botswana’s engagement with other missions are not adequately resourced to fully undertake developing countries. these important assignments of marketing Botswana Developing and Implementing Economic Diplomacy abroad. Strategy

The ministry is confronted with high costs of The ministry has started the process of developing property rentals for both embassy offices and staff an Economic Diplomacy Strategy, with a view to accommodation. Currently, it spends an amount of One undertake targeted trade, investment and tourism Hundred and Four Million, Ninety-Four Thousand, promotional activities, as well as, identify access market Two Hundred and Thirteen Pula (P104, 094, 213.00) for Botswana’s products. annually in rentals. Formulating and Implementing the Diaspora Policy As it can be deduced, Botswana’s diplomatic representation is inadequate and the posture of multiple As part of our annual plan for 2020/2021, the ministry accreditation to many countries undermines our has started the process of developing a comprehensive economic diplomacy agenda. It is thus critical that as a Diaspora Engagement Policy. This is in recognition of long term investment, Botswana progressively increases the significant contribution that the diaspora can make her global footprint by opening more missions and towards Botswana’s development. contain associated costs by, among others acquiring Ensuring Compliance to International Obligations property. The ministry is currently finalising the development of CRITICAL PRIORITY AREAS the database on international agreements, to facilitate The ministry has identified the following strategic monitoring of compliance, implementation and initiatives as key to effectively implement its mandate, reporting on international obligations. So far, over 200 to further advance our National Development Plan agreements have already been uploaded. The portal will (NDP) 11 objectives; be open to the public as soon as it is complete. Policies, Projects and Programmes to Support Finalisation of the Foreign Policy Document Priority Areas In order to ensure a coordinated approach and a Opening of new missions strategic focus in our engagement with the international community, the ministry has embarked on the It is critical that Botswana consider opening new development of a foreign policy document for Botswana. missions in strategic countries, to increase her diplomatic This will be finalised by the end of the financial year coverage and exploit available opportunities. 2020/2021. Purchase of Chancery Buildings Increased representation of Batswana in international The ministry will purchase properties, both residential organisations is of paramount importance. Therefore, and office space, in strategic locations, to reduce the the ministry will continue to play a critical role in high rental costs. identifying positions and opportunities in international organisations for Batswana. CONCLUSION

Finalise and Implement the South-South Triangular In conclusion, allow me to express my profound Cooperation Strategy gratitude to the Honourable Members of this House for

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their continued support. I wish to assure you that despite • The Legislative Drafting Division also produces the the gigantic challenges, I have alluded to, the ministry annual bound editions of the Botswana Statute Law. remains steadfast in its resolve to pursue its mandate of • The International and Commercial Division provides protecting and advancing Botswana’s strategic interests legal services relating to the negotiation and drafting abroad and seeking opportunities for Batswana. We will of international and commercial agreements on continue to count on your invaluable support. I thank behalf of Government; and you Mr Speaker. • The Corporate Services Division which carries out HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… the coordination of the department’s resources and support services. MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister. I now call upon the Minister of Defence, Justice and Mr Speaker, notable achievements during the first half Security to present for Attorney General’s Chambers, 30 of NDP11 are as follows: minutes. (i) Decentralisation of services by the AGC; ATTORNEY GENERAL’S CHAMBERS expansion of DPP to districts (Selebi Phikwe), as part of efforts to ensure effective dispensation MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND of justice countrywide and ensuring access to its SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Mr Speaker, I have services by the public, the DPP has set itself a the honour to present to this Honourable House, the target of opening new offices in the districts. In the Attorney General’s Chambers (AGC) proposals for Mid- first half of NDP 11, one such office in the town Term Review of the NDP 11. The proposed strategies, of Selebi Phikwe successfully opened its doors to programmes and projects are intended to drive the the public. The office officially opened its doors in the third quarter of 2018 and has already taken Attorney General’s Chambers mandate. over all prosecutorial duties from Botswana Police Mr Speaker, the role of the Attorney General is defined Service in the SPEDU region, Bobirwa and part of in Section 51 of the Constitution of Botswana as the the Tswapong area. Principal Legal Advisor to Government. The department (ii) Laws of Botswana; Mr Speaker, the updating comprises four divisions and has administrative of the Laws of Botswana, which commenced in supervision of the Directorate of Public Prosecutions October 2015, is outsourced to Lexis Nexis (Pty) (DPP) established under Section 51 of the Constitution. Ltd, a company based in Durban, South Africa. I am pleased to report that the Law Revision Mr Speaker, the following are the divisions of the Order updating the Laws of Botswana up to 31st Attorney General’s Chambers and their roles: December, 2018 has been finalised. The delivery was expected before the end of financial year • The DPP is responsible for instituting and 2019/2020, however, it was affected by the undertaking the prosecution of all criminal cases on COVID-19 pandemic. behalf of the State. (iii) Secondment Strategy; Mr Speaker, the AGC has improved access to legal services by expanding • The divisions of the Attorney General’s Chambers its presence in Government ministries and are Civil Litigation Division (CLD), Legislative departments by way of secondment of lawyers. Drafting Division (LDD), International and The advantage of placing lawyers in ministries Commercial Division (ICD) and Corporate Services and departments where their services are needed Division (CSD). most is that there is speed and quality in decision • The Civil Litigation Division is responsible for making. The implementation of the Secondment undertaking the litigation of all civil actions on Strategy has led to all ministries having in-situ behalf of Government. legal officers to provide on the spot legal advice. The objective of this initiative is to speed up service • The Legislative Drafting Division is responsible for delivery and facilitate Government operations as drafting legislation, namely Government Bills and well as to reduce unwarranted litigation against subsidiary legislation. the Government.

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Mr Speaker, priorities for the remaining period of NDP MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER 11 are as follows; AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): Good afternoon Mr Speaker. CAPACITY BUILDING & HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT (i) Mr Speaker, it is worth noting that the Phase 1 of the Water and Sanitation Infrastructure Development Restructuring for Bobonong village was implemented by the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Mr Speaker, The Attorney General’s Chambers (AGC) Development and not by my ministry. continues to face the challenges of high attrition rates and staff shortages at senior and middle management (ii) The project started in 2000 and was completed levels in critical areas of litigation and drafting, which in 2004. The project was earmarked to provide affect both the quality and quantity generated by the sewerage services to Government institutions AGC… and covered 40 per cent of the village sewerage network system. MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister. (iii) Mr Speaker, it is to be noted that the budget Honourable Members, we have done the two hours and proposal for sanitation infrastructure development we should adjourn so that we are back here at 2 p.m. to for Bobonong village to expand to areas which continue as usual. Let us adjourn. were not covered during Phase 1, was submitted PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 1.05 P.M. FOR for consideration under NDP 11, but unfortunately APPROXIMATELY 59 MINUTES due to budgetary constraints the project was not considered. PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 2.04 P.M. (iv) Mr Speaker, the proposed Bobonong sanitation MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Good afternoon infrastructure development expansion will be Honourable Members! This House resumes the business submitted for consideration under NDP 12 of today with questions. planning period. QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (v) Mr Speaker, a similar project proposal for sanitation and infrastructure development was PLANS TO EXTEND SEWAGE DISPOSAL also considered for Mmadinare village in the INFRASTRUCTURE IN BOBONONG NDP 11, and likewise not approved due to budget constraints. Mmadinare sanitation infrastructure MR T. B. LUCAS (BOBONONG): asked the Minister development will be submitted for consideration of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services: under NDP 12. I thank you Mr Speaker.

(i) to state whether there are any plans to extend MR LUCAS: Supplementary Mr Speaker. Potso e sewage disposal infrastructure to areas that were Tona e ne e batla gore o re sedimosetse gore mafelo a not covered in the first phase in Bobonong; a setseng a supafala gore a na le batho ba le bantsi mo (ii) if there are such plans the Minister should give kgaolong a a tshwanang le Tsetsebjwe, Mathathane le timelines for undertaking such; Molalatau a one mme le etle le a akanyetse gore le ka dira moalo o wa sewerage mo go one? Ke bona e kete (iii) if there are no such plans, when does the Minister ga o a tsena mo bontlheng joo jwa potso. intend to evolve such plans; Gone mo mafelong a a tshwanang le Bobonong, kgotsa (iv) whether his ministry has any plans to construct mo Bobonong ka sebele go na le kgaolwana e e bidiwang and connect sewage disposal infrastructure in any Borotsi, yotlhe fela ga e na sewage infrastructure. Fa of the villages in Bobirwa other than Bobonong; e le gore ke 40 per cent, o ne a tshwanetse go abiwa and equitably in the village, go ne go tlogelelwa eng motse o o kanakana o o nang le batho ba feta 7 000? (v) state timelines where there are such plans and where there are no plans, the Minister should state MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo when he intends to evolve such plans. tsa Palamente. 40 per cent yo o ne a tshwanetse go

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abiwa mo motseng otlhe ka kakaretso e seng fela gore e (v) whether in the wake of the apparent emerging trend nne gore kgaolwana kana Kgotla nngwe le nngwe e ya towards foreclosure and repossession by certain go bona 40 per cent, e ne e le 40 per cent wa motse ka international creditors against some countries/ bophara. governments on account of failure to honour debt obligations, can the Minister, state how safe and Se sengwe gape, ee, re na le maikaelelo a gore re atolose secure is the Botswana Government from such madirelo a kgopho ya metsi a a leswe kwa metseng e heavy-handed creditors. mengwe. Mo tsamaisong ya rona ya ditogamaano, re simolola ka metse e metona pele ka dipalo, jaaka re MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (DR MATSHEKA): tlaa simolola ka Bobonong le Mmadinare, fa re fetsa e metona eo, re bo re ya kwa metseng e mengwe. Go BACKGROUND ON BOTSWANA’S DEBT mo thulaganyong ya rona ka gore kwa pheletsong ya MANAGEMENT letsatsi, metse yotlhe ka keletso ya rona, e tshwanetse go (a) Mr Speaker, I wish to give this Honourable House nna le moalo le madirelo a kgopho ya metsi a a leswe. a background on Government’s debt management. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. The Government of Botswana’s borrowing is based MR LUCAS: Further supplementary. Ke ne ke re Tona on the Public Finance Management Act of 2011, o tlhalose gore fa o re motse o motona, o raya o lebile Section 20; which gives the Minister responsible palo e e kae ya batho mo motseng oo, ka gore motse fa for finance the power to borrow with final authority o na le batho ba feta 6 000 jaaka Tsetsebjwe, ke tsaya resting with Parliament. Furthermore, the Stock, gore ke motse o motona, mme e bile o tshwanetse gore Bonds and Treasury Bills Act of 2005, Section 20; o sekasekelwe sewage infrastructure? sets the limit within which Government can borrow.

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Seelo sa rona (b) The primary objective of Botswana’s debt se ke ka reng re batla gore fa re simolola ditogamaano management is to ensure that the financing needs tsa rona tsa go akanyetsa gore mealo e ka nna fa kae, and payment obligations of Government are met at re beile metse e metona e selekanyo sa teng kana palo the lowest possible cost consistent with a prudent ya batho e feta 10,000. Go raya gore mo kgaolong, re degree of risk, and in coordination with fiscal and tlaabo re lebeletse metse e metona ka palo ya batho ya monetary policies. The secondary objective of debt ngwaga wa 2011, re bo re fologelela kwa tlase kwa go e management is for Government to assist in the mengwe. Ke a leboga motlotlegi. development of the domestic capital market, thus facilitating maintenance of financial stability and EXTENT OF BOTSWANA GOVERNMENT’S development of the domestic financial system. These INDEBTENESS objectives guide the Government in responding to the need to finance any anticipated budget deficits. MR O. REGOENG (MOLEPOLOLE NORTH): asked the Minister of Finance and Economic (c) In 2016, Government developed its maiden Medium Development to apprise this Honourable House on: Term Debt Management Strategy which ensured that the set debt management objectives were met. In (i) the extent of Botswana Government’s indebtedness 2019, a Debt Sustainability Analysis was undertaken, either through external borrowings, domestic the result of which indicated that Botswana’s debt borrowings, overdrafts, guarantees, or any other was sustainable over the medium term. form of debt; (i) In response for the Member’s question, Mr (ii) the Government’s current debt to GDP ratio; Speaker as at July 2020, total public debt and (iii) the current Government borrowing limit and guarantees amounted to P39.28 billion. This whether the current indebtedness has not exceeded included P30.61 billion as Government debt, of the set limit; which P15.52 billion was external and domestic was P15.09 billion. Publicly guaranteed debt (iv) which International Agency or Government is amounted to P8.67 billion and comprised of the top lender/creditor and by how much as a P6.90 billion external guaranteed debt and P1.76 proportion of Government’s total debt; and billion being domestic guaranteed debt. The

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Government currently has no overdraft as part of In terms of the credit rating, the rating includes all its debt portfolio. aspects of a country’s governance and as a result, we have not had a visit as yet of the credit rating agencies (ii) The total public debt to Gross Domestic Product to come and review their last intervention in terms of (GDP) ratio as at July 2020 was 20.34 per cent. looking at our country’s fiscal sustainability. I would Mr Speaker, of this amount, external debt to also say to you that, what I have also reported in terms GDP was 11.49 per cent, whilst domestic debt of the debt levels, is a key consideration for any country was 8.85 per cent. Mr Speaker, as per the Stock to decide the ranking that a nation must be placed at. I Bonds and Treasury Bills Act Section 20, total thank you Mr Speaker. public debt, including guarantees is kept at 40 per cent of GDP, that is 20 per cent for external HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further supplementary. debt and 20 per cent for domestic debt. As I have MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary Honourable indicated earlier, currently Botswana’s total debt Keorapetse. to GDP ratio is at 20.34 per cent. This is below the said limit of 40 per cent stipulated in the Act. MR KEORAPETSE: Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker. Ke botse Honourable Matsheka gore, kana the A larger portion of the Government portfolio was S&P and Moody’s have recently downgraded us, we acquired from the African Development Bank. Mr just want to find out to what extent would this affect Speaker, total loans acquired from African Development our borrowing, particularly as you have indicated that Bank make up 77 per cent of the total Government debt part of the remainder of National Development Plan (NDP) 11 will be financed through both multilateral and portfolio as at July, 2020. bilateral development partners by way of borrowing? Finally, Mr Speaker, Botswana’s public debt to The second question is, I had asked a similar question GDP ratio, which is kept at 40 per cent is considered before, during the 11th Parliament. What I wanted to very conservative and it is because of the country’s find out was, whether you could avail information vulnerabilities. This ratio is even below the Southern detailing which countries are owed how much; which African Development Community (SADC) international financial institutions and regional financial macroeconomic convergence curve of 60 per cent. institutions are owed how much, and the timelines within Botswana has not defaulted on any of its debt payments which we want to borrow for purposes of financing obligations both domestic and international, therefore our development and in line with the provisions of the rendering the country secure from closures or any Public Finance Management Act, particularly the 40 per repossessions by creditors. I thank you Mr Speaker. cent part? MR REGOENG: Supplementary. Thank you DR MATSHEKA: Thank you Honourable Member, Honourable Minister for your answer, but I just have thank you Mr Speaker. I think the issue around the two supplementary questions here. What has been the downgrading is actually part of what I presented in the reaction of the international financing agency upon Economic Recovery and Transformation Plan (ERTP), hearing that Botswana has been blacklisted? That is that prudent or efficient Government spending becomes question one. Then question two is the Botswana’s a very key consideration. Also, the extent to which we credit rating, has it been affected by the blacklisting? If entrench the reforms that we have committed to as well so, to what extent? Thank you. the fiscal sustainability index to make sure that we are able to finance what we have set out to do, it is a key DR MATSHEKA: Thank you very much Honourable consideration. So the caveat that was given by the rating Member, thank you Mr Speaker. I think the question agencies, was to ensure that we place a commitment on the blacklisting, the international community to actually be very efficient in the deployment of all understands that there is a process underpinning any the monies that we have as a country. Therefore, fiscal type of action as I have explained in terms of my discipline becomes a very important consideration. You statement to this Parliament. We have therefore not would also note that we have increased our deficit to 7 received any specific interventions by any country, per cent now of GDP, which is way above our 4 per cent. because the process to rectify any identified deficiencies We expect for them to come back and try and ascertain is understood by the international community as part of how we will recover that lost ground in terms of the the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) arrangements. fiscal deficit.

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I think on the second question, yes, it is possible to Batswana who cannot afford legal fees are assisted provide you with the debtors list and creditors list that through Legal Aid Botswana. My ministry is in the we have which is why I was able to confirm that African process of reviewing the Births and Deaths Registration Development Bank is the one with 77 per cent. I may Act with a view to facilitate alteration of personal not be able to give you the details today, around the details, and extend the authority to other competent payment plans for all the existing loans, but I can assure authorities such as Magistrates Courts, as they are more you that as I have said, we have not defaulted at any widespread in the country than High Courts. This will stage in terms of our obligations both domestically and facilitate accessibility and affordability of the service to externally. Batswana. I thank you Mr Speaker.

Finally Mr Speaker, I did indicate that we currently sit MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Honourable at 20 per cent, but we have a limit up to 40 per cent Minister, will you be amenable to institutions that are which is a combination of both domestic and external accessible to the ordinary downtrodden? Given the fact borrowing, so that choice of which mixture we will that even the Magistrates Courts are not that widespread adopt, will depend on the viability of the projects in as you have indicated. They are in major centres and consideration. I thank you Mr Speaker. villages, they are not readily accessible. Why not liberalise as the Honourable Member has suggested, LIBERALISATION OF THE PROCESS OF liberalise to institutions that are more accessible to, ALTERATIONS OF PERSONAL DETAILS ON especially the poor who are affected by the need to alter BIRTH CERTIFICATES some of the details found in their birth certificates or in MR M. M. PULE (MOCHUDI EAST): asked the their identity documents? Thank you. Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender MS MOKGETHI: Mr Speaker, unfortunately the Affairs if she is aware that according to Section 14 of Member has not indicated what kind of institutions he the Births and Deaths Registration Act, clients wishing is referring to, but I think the legislature, in formulating to make changes/alterations in personal details that is, this law which…, maybe the Member can indicate apart (correction of sex, date of birth, place of birth, removal from them but we have indicated the Magistrates Court. of parental details etc.) in birth certificates can only do Which other institutions are you referring to? so with an order of the High Court: MR KEORAPETSE: With your permission Mr (i) if so, is she not convinced that it is high time this Speaker, the Kgotla is more accessible, if the offices process was liberalised in order to mitigate on the are empowered and power is decentralised to the offices high costs incurred by Batswana in accessing the tsone tsa home affairs related issues, I think those will required order at High Courts; be more accessible to our people. (ii) what measures are in place to assist Batswana to access this service and apply to the courts; and MS MOKGETHI: Here we are referring to a register which is very important. We are talking about a (iii) what the ministry’s plans are to ensure accessibility National Register in which the whole country relies and affordability of this service to Batswana. on for information with respect to its population and therefore if I may just refer to this Section 15, which MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION puts a very high requirement on the court in terms of AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MS MOKGETHI): Section 15(2) that says, “the High Court shall not make Thank you Mr Speaker. I am aware that in terms of any order under this section, unless the material fact in Section 14 of the Births and Deaths Registration Act connection with which the application is made approved requires clients wishing to make changes in personal to its satisfaction.” We can see that we are talking about details in their birth certificates to have an order of the a very important National Register and if we look High Court. The intention of the law is to preserve the at Section 4 of the Act, it says, “the Registrar shall integrity of the National Birth Register. maintain three registers to be called the birth register, My ministry acknowledges the need to facilitate stillbirth register and the death register respectively the process of altering personal details in the birth into which shall be entered prescribed details of birth, certificate. The Birth and Death Registration Act was stillbirths and deaths.” I think it is also important to note enacted in 1968 and last reviewed in 1998. Currently, that it is important to preserve the register so that it is

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not open to corruption and fraud. As I said, it is a very (v) how much is the total compensation for domestic important register into which the entire country relies animals killed because of the damaged or collapsed for dependable information regarding such information. fence. This register should not just be willy-nilly changed. Thank you Mr Speaker. MR LETSHOLO: Honourable Speaker, Honourable Mr Leuwe has asked me to later the question for him, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. please.

MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary Honourable Pule. Later Date.

MR PULE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. If PLANS TO OPEN CEDA, CIPA AND LEA you allow me Mr Speaker, basically when this question OFFICES IN CHARLES HILL SUB-DISTRICT was asked, I wanted to find if the Minister is aware that we have so many cases of this sort where people MR M. G. J. MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): have those documents not completed because maybe asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry: they look at the court proceedings as hindrance to (i) to state whether there are any plans to open Citizen them, especially kwa kgaolong ya me ya Mochudi East. Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA), I received many of such cases and ga ke itse gore is Companies and Intellectual Property Authority the Minister in a position to tell us exactly when is the (CIPA) and Local Enterprise Authority (LEA) review of the Birth and Deaths Registration Act going to offices in Charles Hill Sub-District; if so; be completed because while we are still waiting for that, maybe it will be prudent for the Minister to find ways of (ii) what are the timelines; and helping such people? Thank you Mr Speaker. (iii) if not, why not. MS MOKGETHI: Addressing the last question which MR MOTSAMAI: Thank your Mr Speaker and concerning assistance we can give, I have indicated correction, Ghanzi South, not Ghanzi North. O tla in my answer that Batswana who cannot afford are mpolaisa batho. currently being assisted by Legal Aid Botswana. In terms of how far we are with the review, unfortunately, MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Motsamai. I cannot say it because there is a process that we have to ASSISTANT MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, go through but we are working on the review so that that TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR MOLEBATSI): can be extended. Apart from the High Court, it should Thank you Mr Speaker, good afternoon. also be extended to the Magistrate Court. I thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, in order to remain accessible to Batswana at all times, the Citizen Entrepreneurial Development MAINTENANCE OF NON- Agency (CEDA) is providing its services through 11 LETHAL ELECTRICAL GAME PROOF FENCE physical branches and three mobile offices. The physical MR T. F. LEUWE (TAKATOKWANE): asked branches are located at Gaborone, Molepolole, Selebi the Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Phikwe, Maun, Letlhakane, Francistown, Palapye, Conservation and Tourism when the Kaudwane Non- Kanye, Kasane, Hukuntsi and Ghanzi. Lethal Electrical Game Proof fence will be maintained The three mobile offices are used to serve in remote or since it was damaged by elephants in 2017 and to state: distant areas that are far from the physical offices. In the past financial year of 2019/20, through the use of (i) how many farmers have had their livestock killed roving mobile offices, the agency provided its services by lions since the collapse of the fence; to the following areas in the Charles Hill Sub-district: (ii) how many domestic animals have been killed by Kole, Ncojane, Charles Hill, Karakubis, Tsootsha, predators; Chobokwane and Bere. This financial year, the mobile services have continued to be provided in Tsootsha, (iii) how many farmers have been compensated and Karakubis, Charleshill and Ncojane. how many have not yet been compensated; Mr Speaker, I wish further reiterate that CEDA also (iv) when they are going to be compensated; and has a working relationship with Botswana Post which

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allows for the public to carry out limited services such and potential; and as much as possible enhance service as payments of CEDA loan accounts and collection of delivery to the citizens. Out of the 13 branches that LEA application forms at post offices across the country. The had prior to re-structuring, there was one in Mochudi agency is currently engaged in an exercise to review its and the other in Francistown, whist the authority was branch network countrywide, to ensure that it reaches also operating incubators in Pilane and Francistown. out to the citizens in a convenient manner as much as possible to achieve easy access by all Batswana. The A strategic decision was taken to relocate the two branches agency further undertakes this exercises in recognition to the incubation centres in Pilane and Francistown of growth of areas, as well as the emerging economic respectively. This move resulted in savings that were activities and other changes in demographics. used to open two new satellite offices in Letlhakane and Hukuntsi in 2019, to provide services to communities in The recent exercise was undertaken during the the Boteti and Kgalagadi North regions. The Hukuntsi 2018/2019 financial year which identified Letlhakane office establishment eased the long distance that was and Tsabong as the areas of high priority for office taken by Kgalagadi North residents to seek services in establishment. Letlhakane branch has since been Kgalagadi South through the LEA Tsabong branch. On established in November 2018, and preparations to the other hand, Letlhakane office is dedicated to service establish Tsabong branch are currently underway. The the whole of Boteti region and capitalise on business agency will conclude the assessment of its branch opportunities for Small, Medium and Micro Enterprises network during the current second quarter of the (SMMEs), largely from the mining activities in the financial year, where it will make a determination of area. This office has also reduced entrepreneurs’ long further areas being considered for placement of CEDA distance travel to Serowe branch to seek LEA services. branches. The Local Enterprise Authority (LEA) continues to Mr Speaker, there are currently no plans to open an monitor access and business potential of all the various office in Charles Hill Sub-District as the agency serves locations country-wide and take appropriate measures Charles Hill Sub-District from its Ghanzi Branch Office. subject to resource availability. Going forward, LEA is considering the possibility of virtual access through COMPANIES AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY technology which has potential to reach a wider populace AUTHORITY (CIPA) of Small, Micro and Medium Enterprises (SMMEs) Mr Speaker, the Ministry of Investment, Trade and throughout the country in a cost effective manner. Industry does not have plans to open CIPA Offices in Currently, the LEA office in Ghanzi covers all the Charles Hill. The Honourable Member of Parliament surrounding villages including Charles Hill. In addition, will be aware that almost all company registration structured visits are carried by LEA staff to areas where services can be accessed online from anywhere, as long there are no branches, and this is further complemented as there is internet connection. Online services have by the mobile branch (truck stops). Therefore, at the reduced the cost for travel to various CIPA offices as moment there are no plans to open an office in Charles customers can use internet cafes, Kitsong Centres and Hill. I thank you Mr Speaker. libraries in the villages to access the CIPA website for the various services. MR MOTSAMAI: Supplementary. Tanki Mr Speaker. Honourable Minister, diofisi tse tsa CEDA di kwa LOCAL ENTERPRISE AUTHORITY (LEA) Hunkuntsi, jaaka o bua, Hukuntsi ke sub-district ya Mr Speaker, the Local Enterprise Authority has an office/ Tsabong, Charles Hill ke sub-district ya Ghanzi. Criteria branch in Ghanzi which covers surrounding villages e le e dirisitseng gore le ise diofisi kwa Hukuntsi at including Charles Hill. In an effort to create awareness the sub-district e gongwe le nna ke ne ke dumalana le of LEA services and enhance service delivery, Ghanzi yone fa e le gore ke yone e o tlaa nkarabang ka yone, office periodically embark on outreach and mobile stops ke efe? Are you aware gore lefoko mobile go tewa eng to other villages in the region. Honourable Minister, fa sengwe le sengwe se se yang kwa Charles Hill wa re mobile! mobile? Mobile go tewa Part of the LEA business model review and re- gore le ya kwa ka dikoloi, ka di caravan, ka nakwana, le strategising was to rationalise the branch network, bo le tsamaya. Have you catered for batho ba dipolase with the view to address various regions peculiarities tse di jesang lefatshe le nama, kana nnyaa, gore ba tsene

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moo ba dire di thulaganyo tsa bone tsa business ya Se sengwe gape, a e ya re fa le ya go tla kwa motseng o dikgomo, dipodi le koko and so on? tshwana le Mahalapye, le e tle le bolelele batho gongwe beke pele le tla, le tsamaye le goagoe, le ba bolelele gore Kwa bofelong, a ga le bone go sa isa diofisi tse kwa CEDA e tlaabo e le foo lebaka le le kae? Ke a leboga. Charles Hill, a ke tsa go kwadisa tsone dikompone tsa LEA kana CEDA, e le go bolaya concept e le reng ke MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Honourable Member ya lona, ya go isa ditirelo kwa bathong tsa sennelaruri, of Parliament. Rraetsho, fa CEDA e tsamaya e etela e seng mobile? batho, jaaka Chief Executive Officer (CEO) wa CEDA o ntse a tsamaya le lekoko la gagwe, o ntse a ile kwa MR MOLEBATSI: Honourable Member of Parliament, bo Maun, batho ba a bolelelwa rraetsho. Re etela batho, se ke se buileng ke gore, ofisi e e thusang Charles Hill re ya kwa ba teng. Se ke neng ke se bua ke gore, Puso e kwa Ghanzi, e seng Hukuntsi. Jaanong ya gore ke eng ga e na yone thata ya gore re ka dira ofisi ya CEDA re sa age diofisi gone kwa Charles Hill, boammaaruri ke mo motseng mongwe le mongwe. Ke ne ke bua gore gore fa re leng teng mo budget ya rona ya lefatshe, ga re e kwa Gaborone, Molepolole, Selebi Phikwe, Maun, ka ke ra kgona go aga diofisi gongwe le gongwe. Fa go Letlhakane, Francistown, Palapye le Kanye. Wena yo na le ofisi e kgona go thusa ba ba gaufi... o mo Mahalapye ka nako ya gompieno, le ka dirisa HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... ditlamelo tse di gaufi le lona e leng kwa Palapye. Ke a leboga. MR MOLEBATSI: Mr Speaker, o ba nthuse foo. Go ya kwa pele Mr Speaker, ke gore... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. MR MOABI: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, MR SPEAKER: Listen to the Member, he is answering, ke a go utlwa Tona ka fa o tlhalosang ka teng, le there is no order. maikaelelo a lona, gore gongwe ga re ka ke ra isa diofisi tsa LEA kana CEDA kwa metseng e yotlhe. Ke a utlwa, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... ke a tlhaloganya. Fa re lebelela, ga se nako ya gore MR MOLEBATSI: Mr Speaker, kana Honourable gongwe le gongwe fa go nang le ofisi ya LEA teng, re Member o ne a bua gore ra reng ka go isa ditirelo kwa ise diofisi tsa CEDA teng? Ke tlaa go fa sekai ka ofisi metseng mengwe le mengwe, a a fa sekai ka kgaolo ya LEA e e kwa Masunga, e thusa dikgaolo di le five, e ya gagwe Charles Hill; re bo re re kana re le Puso, re thusa; Tati East, Tati West, Nkange, Shashe West le Nata- rile ditirelo tse dingwe re simolola go dira maranyane, Gweta. Fa o lebelela palo e thusegang mo Masunga e bo re tsena mo gotweng digital economy. Jaanong fa o le e palama e ya Francistown go ya go fola gape, ga o bone kwa Charles Hill o bo o kgona gore ka ponyo ya leitlho go le maleba gore ofisi ya CEDA e ye kwa Masunga ba o kwadise kompone through CIPA, mo go diragalang botlhe ba ke sa tswang go ba balolola ba ye go thusiwa gompieno, a mme ga o bone e le go isa ditirelo kwa kwa Masunga? Go dira jalo jaaka ke bona ka fa le lekang Charles Hill gone moo Honourable Member. Ke sone ka teng, o tlaabo o thusitse Batswana kana bagwebi ba se re se buang. Ke sone se ke se tlhalosang ke re, CIPA ba batlang go gweba ka bontsi. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. e dira go le motlhofo gore o dire kompone, o tsena fela mo maranyaneng, mo internet service e e leng teng kwa MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Honourable Member. motseng. Ke sone se re se dirang rraetsho, re dumela Honourable Member, ke dumalana le wena, gore kana gore ga re senye sepe. Ke a leboga. tota ka go rata ga rona le Puso, ditirelo tse di ka bo di goroga kwa motseng mongwe le mongwe. Se o se MR TSHERE: Supplementary. Thank you very much buang ke gore, re leke thata gore motse mongwe le Honourable Speaker. Ke ntse ke reeditse Honourable mongwe o nne le ofisi yone e, jaaka ke ne ke bua gore Minister fa a bua ka dikgang tse tsa bo CEDA le LEA, fa gongwe fa re tlhaelang teng, ba Botswana Post, kana ga di yo kwa Mahalapye Sub-District. The entire poso e mo metseng fela e mentsi, le bone ditirelo tsa Mahalapye Sub-District ga di yo. Jaanong ke botsa CEDA, CIPA le LEA di gone koo. E nngwe ke e e leng gore jaaka kwa Kgalagadi, how frequent are you in your gore fa CEDA e leng teng, gongwe e kopane le LEA le outreach visits, ka gore kwa Mahalapye re nna re lebile CIPA, fa ke ne ke go utlwa sentle. Ke mogopolo o ke ka tsela ga re ke re le bona? o tsayang le ba lephata la rona, ke mogopolo o montle

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thata. Re amogela megopolo, re ka gola ka megopolo. Sabobedi; re ya go tsaya nako e e kae re emetse gore go Re ka tlhabolola batho ka megopolo e e ntseng jalo. Ke neelwe rakonteraka wa bobedi go ya go tsweledisa tiro? a go leboga. Ke batla o mpolelele gore e tlaa re ka dikana, re bo re simolola, re se ka ra hopholetsa gore re ikaelela go dira PROJECT TO BE BUILT AT LOGAGANENG jaana. A re e neela kamoso, or is it at tender stage? (TSABONG) FOR THE ANTI-POACHING UNIT MS KERENG: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo MR S. J. BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): tsa Palamente. Ga ke ka ke ka go tlhalosetsa gore ke asked the Minister of Environment, Natural Resources eng fa konteraka eo e emisitswe mme a bo a neelwa Conservation and Tourism if she is aware of the project tse dingwe. Kana motho o kgona to tender for dilo di that was supposed to be built at Logaganeng (Tsabong) le tharo, gongwe a na le bokgoni mo go tse pedi kana for the Anti-Poaching Unit and state: se sengwefela, tse dingwe a sena bokgoni mo go tsone. (i) what is the current status; Therefore, ga go mo rontshe gore tse dingwe o ka di bona, tse dingwe a sa kgone go di bona, kana tse dingwe (ii) which contractor was awarded the tender and at a di dire sentle kana tse dingwe a sa kgone go di dira what cost; and sentle.

(iii) how much has been spent so far on the project and Ka dinako tsa gore tenders di tlaa tswa leng; ke ne ka what is the duration of the contract. supa gore mo ngwageng o o felang ka March di tlaabo di dule. Gongwe ga ke na go tswa ka date mme ke supe MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL gore lenaneo le ke sa tswang go le baya Palamente RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM pele, le le approved leno la Economic Recovery and (MS KERENG): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke a Transformation Plan (ERTP), le tsentse porta cabin dumedisa this afternoon. Mr Speaker, motlotlegi o tse kana dikago tsone tsa go nna jalo mo teng. Gongwe boditse ka project e e kwa Logaganeng kwa Tsabong, re tlaa le fa date kwa moragonyana, re sena go nna re e mo go yone go neng go ya go agelwa babereki matlo tlhomamisa lenaneo kwa ofising. a bonno a porta cabins di le six, gore ba tle ba thusiwe ka go bona boroko kana manno, e le our anti-poaching HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. officers, jaaka ba dira ditirelo tsa rona kwa kgaolong eo. MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary Honourable Konteraka eo o boditse gore maemo a yone ke eng mo Motsamai. nakong ya gompieno; ke tlhalose gore konteraka eo e ne ya emisiwa, it was terminated ka February ngwaga one MR MOTSAMAI: Supplementary. Ke kopa go botsa o, ka ntlha ya gore konteraka e e neng e filwe tiro ya go Honourable Minister; a wa itse gore madiadia a o buang aga porta cabins tseo, ga e a ka ya digaratsa ditumalano ka one a ntswa o wela mo kgweding ya March, e o tsa tiro. Ga ba a ka ba dira tiro kana go fetsa se ba neng ntseng o feta ka yone, le a dirile le kwa wildlife camp ya ba tshwanetse gore ba se dire, mme ra bo re bona gore kwa Ncojane? Go ne ga ya go senkwa setsha mme e ne konteraka eo e emisiwe. ya re le tshwanetse go aga, la tlogela fela jalo. Ga le a bolelela morafe sepe gore le ya go simolola to relocate Konteraka eo e ne e le gore ke ya madi a a kana ka P3.7 leng wildlife camp e e fa gare ga motse. Gone le ya go million, a abetswe kompone e bidiwa Juber Holdings dira leng? (Pty) Ltd. Jaanong ka lebaka la gore konteraka ga e a kgona go dira tiro e e feletseng, konteraka ya teng ene Kwa bofelong; mme gone gape le dirwa ke eng gore ya emisiwa kana cancelled. Ke supe gore ga go a ka le nne le mogopolo o montlentle o, le bo le tla le o ga nna le dituelo tse di neng di le teng. Kesupe gore latlhaganya fela jalo, le tlogela lebaka le le kanakana le project e re e tsentse gape mo ngwageng o gore e ye sa rerisa morafe gore ba kgone go tlhaloganya gore go go simolodisiwa sesha, tenders ditle di tswe sentle, re e diragala eng? simolole gape. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Kwa bofelong; a Lephata le la Wildlife fa le sena go aga MR BROOKS: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. dikampa tse, a le na le mangwe maikaelelo a gore le Tanki Honourable Minister. Motho o ka botsa gore ke lebelele ditsamaiso tse sesha, tse wena o di rerang, tse di ka goreng le tsweletse le abela the same contractor ka tsamaisanang le dikampa tse le di agang, e seng gore ditiro, mme e ntse e palelwa ke ditiro tse dingwe? gongwe le bo le aga wildlife camp kwa Ncojane, fa o

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tshwanetse gore o bone service tsotlhe koo go bo gotwe MR C. GREEFF (GABORONE BONNINGTON o ka ya go di bona fela kwa Maun kana Ghanzi? SOUTH): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness to state the total number of: MS KERENG: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. E kete motlotlegi o ka bo a itsenyeditse (i) doctors stationed at Gaborone West Clinic and potso fela ya kwa Ncojane ka gore e kare e na le Julia Molefhe Clinic (Block 9); ditsetlana di le dintsi mo teng, le dilo tse gongwe di sa arabesegeng. Ke tlaa se ke ke kgone go go araba gore (ii) nurses at each clinic respectively; specifically kwa Ncojane go diragetse eng ka gore tota ga (iii) ambulances allocated to these clinics; and ke a ipaakanyetsa go tla ka dikarabo tse di tseneletseng. Fa o bua ka gore madiadia a dirwa ke eng? Kana lengwe (iv) if and when the Gaborone West Clinic will start to la mabaka a rona re le Puso fa re bua ka ditsamaiso tsa operate on a 24-hour basis. rona tse di fetogileng, re bua ka transformation, re bo ACTING MINISTER OF HEALTH AND re bua gore re ya go tokafatsa ditirelo tsa rona go dirwa WELLNESS (DR KWAPE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. ka nako. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… A ke tsene fela mo go yone ya development projects; fa re lebeletse nako e re neng re dira budget ka April, DR KWAPE: Ke tshwareletse Tona wa Botsogo le Committee of Supply Speeches tsa rona di ne di supa Boitekanelo. Mo go arabeng potso ya ga motlotlegi, across Government gore nako e dikago di fediwang ka kokelo ya Gaborone West ga e na ngaka e e beilweng yone e bonya mo go feleletsang madi a sa dirisiwa, a koo. Legale le fa go ntse jalo, go na le ngaka yo o yang a abetsweng dikago le all infrastructure. Part of the koo fa gare ga beke, go thusa kwa kokelong yone eo. transformation kana diphetogo tsa rona ke go leka go Kokelo ya Julia Molefhe e na le dingaka tse pedi, tse fefosa gore madi fa a dule go agiwe selo, dikago dingwe di a bong di le koo mo mosong, le e le nngwefela e e kana ditsela, di dirwe ka nako e bile di dirwa e le tsa nnang teng mo tshokologong le mo bosigong ka gore boleng. Re itemogetse gore lebaka le le dirileng gore re tota Julia Molefhe ke ya 24 hours. Mo dipalong, go na bo re tla ka maitlamo re le Puso a go tokafatsa ditirelo in le baoki kwa kokelong ya Gaborone West ba le masome terms of infrastructure, e ne e le go tla go baakanya se a mabedi le bone, fa kwa kokelong ya Julia Molefhe ba re boneng e le one madiadia, le wena o a bona. Sengwe le masome a mabedi le boferabobedi. sa mathata ke gore gongwe botsamaisi le kitso ya go ka laola, supervise le go ka kaela projects tse di dirwang tsa Mo dikoloing Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, kwa Julia Molefhe le kwa Gaborone West, dikokelo tseo bo engineering tse di tseneletseng, gongwe go ka tswa ka bobedi di na le dikoloi tse pedi, e nngwefela e le e e go tlhaela mo maphateng. Re leka go nonotsha maphata kgonang go tsaya balwetse, e nngwe e le ya mmotokara. go kgona gore re laole ditirelo tsa go nna jalo. Ka jalo, dikoloi di pedi mo kokelong nngwe le nngwe.

Fa o bua ka gore re kgona go aga diofisi, e bo gongwe Kokelo ya Gaborone West e na le lekanala la pelegi le le ditirelo di nna di aroganye ka kwa le ka kwa, re bua ka bo berekang nako yotlhe. Jaanong kwa go tlhatlhobiwang One Stop Service Centre (OSSC), e e leng gore le yone batho ba ba tlang, go bulwa fela mo mosong go fitlhelela ya kwa Kang tota, re lebeletse gore mongwe le mongwe mo tshokologong ka nako ya bone e fetilwe ke metsotso yo o batlang thuso nngwe e e tlhokegang, madirelo, e le masome mararo. Ka ntateng ya tlhaelo ya jone diofisi kana dikago tseo di kgona go tsenya ditirelo tse bodiredi, mo gompienong ga go ise go nne le thulaganyo di farologaneng gore batho ba se ka ba tsamaela kgakala ya gore kokelo eo ya Gaborone West e bulwe bosigo le jaaka re itse gore dikgaolo tse di tshwanang le tsa lona motshegare. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. jalo, di atologane. Gongwe ke supe fela gore madiadia MR GREEFF: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr rra, re a baakanya. Ke yone transformation. Ke a leboga. Speaker. Tona, ke ne ke re gongwe o bolelele batho HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. ba Gaborone West gore mo nakong e ntsi, e moeng yo wa ngaka a seyong kwa clinic eo, ba dire jang, ba bona GABORONE WEST AND JULIA MOLEFHE thuso jang ya bongaka? Se ke se tlhaloganyang ke gore CLINICS go thusa baoki and then refer motho kwa clinic ya Block

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9, kwa go nang le ngaka teng. Ba tsamaya ka dinao, ba nang le a maternity wing. Go pala eng fela Tona gore bo ba ya go fola koo gape bo 7 hours gore ba bonwe ke gongwe le oketse staff, those clinics across the country ngaka, kana gongwe e bo e felela e sa ba bone. Jaanong di nne 24 hours? Le fa go sena ngaka, mme bo nurse ke batla go itse gore o ba thusa jang fa ngaka eo e seyo? ba nne teng because go na le letlhoko le lentsi jaaka o utlwa ke bua ka Mokgoro Clinic kwa Dukwi, e le sekai. Sabobedi; ka gore clinic e wa re ga e mo lenaneong la Ke a leboga. gore e bulwe 24 hours mme fa e leng teng, ke gone fa bontsi jwa batho ba Gaborone West ba nna teng. Jaanong DR KWAPE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke a leboga batho ba ba Gaborone West ka gore go na le borukutlhi motlotlegi. Ke tlhalositse gore tlhaelo ya bodiredi jo bontsi jo bo diragalang, ba tlamega gore fa ba batla e kalo, mme ga go a nniwa fela. O a itse gore mo go ya clinic, ba bo ba ralala sekgwa, ba ya kwa Block bogompienong fa re lebelela mo bongakeng, University 9 bosigo ka gore e e fa Gaborone West ga e a bulwa. ya Botswana (UB) e na le sekole se se rutuntshang Jaanong potso ke gore o ba thusa jang go kgona gore ba dingaka. Re na le dikole tse di rutuntshang booki mo tswe mo Gaborone West ba ya kwa clinic e e kwa Block mafelong a a farologaneng mo Botswana, jaanong re 9, ba raletse lefifi le dirukutlhi tse di kanakana? As we speak gompieno, re na le cases tse dintsi tsa murder kwa tsweletse ka go rutuntsha bana ba rona ba gore e re fa kgaolong ya Gaborone West, tsa batho ba ba bolailweng ba fetsa dikole, ba ye go thusa. O ne o bua gape ka gore bosigo. Re bolelele gore o ya go re thusa jang gore batho go na le dikago, mme go ne go simolotse di seyo; ke ba ba mo Gaborone West, ba ka ya go goroga jang kwa boammaaruri rra gore dikago di teng, di santse di ka clinic ele kwa Block 9? tokafadiwe, mme nako yotlhe fa go nna le bangwe ba bodiredi ba ba ka isiwang teng, ba a isiwa. Ke batla go DR KWAPE: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Mopalamente. Ke simolole fela ka gore ke tlhaloganya mathata a o buang go netefaletsa gore bana ba ba ithutelang, bogolo jang ka one. Jaaka wena le nna re itse, ke kile ka ba ka etela booki, fa ba fetsa sekole, go leka go fefosiwa gore ba kwa kokelong yone eo re le mmogo, go ya go lebelela phatlaladiwe ba isiwe kwa dikokelong gore ba ye go gore seemo se ntse jang le gore se ka thusiwa jang. thusa Batswana kwa magaeng a bone. Ke golo mo re go lebeletseng dinako tsotlhe gore ditlamelo tsa botsogo Kgangkgolo ke gore bodiredi bo a tlhaela lefatshe ka jaaka ke ne ke bua, di tswelele di ya kwa Batswaneng. bophara, mme go lekwa ka tsotlhe tse di ka dirwang gore mo dikokelong tsotlhe, e seng kwa Gaborone West fela, Tlhaelo e teng, re tshwanetse go e amogela, mme go le mo lefatsheng ka bophara go nne le batho ba ba ka lekwa gore batho ba ba thusang batho ba goroge kwa ba thusang balwetse ka dinako tsotlhe. Ke utlwa gape gore tshwanetseng go ya go thusa teng. Ke a leboga. wa re batho ba bantsi kwa kgaolong ya Gaborone West le gore borukutlhi bo bontsi, jaanong go dirwa jang? HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further supplementary. Jaaka ke buile gore go na le koloi, ke batla go dumela HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. gore kwa kokelong eo fa motho a tla koo a tlhoka go bonwa ke ngaka ka potlako, koloi e kgona go mo tsaya GRADING OR GRAVELLING OF SOME e mo isa teng. Jaaka re tshela re bega, dithulaganyo ROADS IN THAMAGA-KUMAKWANE tsa Puso di tsweletse go leka gore loago la Botsogo le CONSTITUENCY. tokafadiwe gore Motswana a bone ditirelo tsa botsogo nako nngwe le nngwe kwa a leng teng. Mo nakong ya MR P. K. MOTAOSANE (THAMAGA- gompieno rraetsho, ga re ise re nne mo seemong seo, KUMAKWANE): asked the Minister of Transport mme ke kgang e e lebeletsweng ka dinako tsotlhe gore and Communications when the following roads will be Batswana ba nne le botsogo jo bo itumedisang. Ke a graded or gravelled: leboga. (i) Thamaga-Lesilakgokong;

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further supplementary. (ii) Kubung-Lesilakgokong to Molepolole;

MR MAJAGA: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr (iii) Kotolaname-Molepolole; Speaker, ke a go leboga Tona. Ka gore maloba mathata e ne e le gore ga gona facilities, mme mo nakong ya (iv) Thamaga-Mmasebele to Gamodubu; and gompieno across the country, there are a lot of clinics tse di agilweng fela sentle, sekai; Mokgoro Clinic, e e (v) Kubung-Moshaweng.

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ACTING MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND palama fa go leng majwe teng o tswa mo lefelong le COMMUNICATIONS (MR MOLALE): Ke a le bidiwang Magagarape, go ya go tsena fa sekoleng sa leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Tsela ya Ikago gore go ntse jang go ya go tsena kwa Molepolole? Thamaga-Lesilakgokong e e leng 22 kilometres, e ya E ya Kubung ga ke bue, kana mokgwa wa yone jaaka go simololwa go dirwa mo bekeng ya di 16 October, e ke bua, ke tlhalositse maloba gore bana ba sekole ba ba gopiwa. tswang Kubung ba tsena junior kwa Thamaga, ba kgona go feta dibeke tse pedi ba sa ye sekoleng. Fa e le gore le HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… yone ba ntse ba bua go e gopa, nnyaa, jaanong fa Tona MR MOLALE: Tsela ya Kubung-Lesilakgokong go ya e tlaabo e le go ntotlhanya le batho ba kgaolo ya me. Ke Molepolole, e e leng 40 kilometres, e ya go simololwa a leboga. go gopiwa mo bekeng ya di 26 October. MR MOLALE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… tsa Palamente. Potso ya gago ya ntlha motlotlegi, se ke se bolelelwang ke gore go tlaabo go dirwa dry MR MOLALE: Ditsela tse di latelang; Kotolaname- grading. E rile fa ke buisana le ba lephata, ka ntsha Molepolole, e tlaa dirwa e le bontlha bongwe jwa matshwenyego a gore fa e le dry grading, re tshwanetse tsela ya Molepolole-Moshaweng mo kgweding e ya go e dira kgapetsakgapetsa gore go se ka ga nna go September, e gopiwa. dirwa… ka gore ditsela tse ka fa go ntseng ka teng, they were graded labofelo ka November last year. Re kopile HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… gore go dirwe lenaneo la gore sephophama se nne se MR MOLALE: Tsela ya Thamaga-Mmasebele- feta foo gantsinyana se ntse se gopa jalo, ke tsaya gore Gamodubu e e leng 15 kilometres, e ya go dirwa kopo ya me e tlaa atlega. mo kgweding yone e ya September 2020. Kubung- HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. Moshaweng e e leng 34 kilometres, le yone e tlaa dirwa mo kgweding e ya September. MR MOLALE: Ditsela tseo ke a di itse Honourable Motaosane, o gopola gore re ne re tsamaya mo go tsone Go lebega gore mo ditseleng tse, go na le fa go nako ele. Ke boammaaruri gore tsela ya Kubung e batla tlhokafalang gore go tshelwe gravel, mo gotweng to be gravelled. Se ke se bolelelwang ke gore Lephata spot improvements. Ba ditsela le bone ba boletse gore la Ditsela le mo lenaneong la go batla mafelo a go ka ba tlaa leka fa go kgonagalang teng go dira those spot bonwang gravel gore e re motlhang o go bonweng madi, improvements. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. re bo re itse gore re ka ya go e tsaya fa kae le fa kae. MR MOTAOSANE: Supplementary. Tanki Ke dumalana le wena gore tsela ya Kubung yone ga e a Honourable Minister, mma ke go lebogele gore at least siama. Ke a leboga. o filedates mo go tse pedi tse di fa godimo, mme mo go MR MOTAOSANE: Further supplementary. Thank tse dingwe tse go tilwe September fela, ga ke itse gore e you. Tona, ba lephata ga ba go bolelele boammaaruri, tlaa re fa ke busa phetolo kwa bathong, ke ba reye ke re gravel e teng, go na le fa e tsewang teng e bile ba September leng. kgobokantse e nngwe e e seng kana ka sepe kwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Kubung, gravel e foo e e seng kana ka sepe, e e setseng e epilwe, ba e kgobokantse. Fa o ya kwa lefelong le HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… bidiwa gotwe Mmakgomoyakgosi, there is a borrow MR MOTAOSANE: Gongwe se motho a ka se go pit, quality gravel. So ga a ba tshwanela go go bolelela botsang gape Tona ke gore, what kind of grading is se e seng boammaaruri, they should be truthful fa ba go going to be done? Is it just wet grading or just go gopa belelela this thing because that gravel is there and it is mo ba go dirang ga letsatsi le letsatsi kana eng? Ke quality. So a ba bue fela gore ba ya go dira leng ka gore tlhalositse gore ditsela tse di na le lebaka di sa gopiwe, pending the… jaanong ga e sa tlhole e le ditsela; ke mahuti. Therefore, MR SPEAKER: Potso, Honourable Motaosane, potso! ke ne ke solofela gore gongwe o ka bo o nkaraba ka gore nnyaa, bogolo tsela ya Molepolole-Lesilakgokong MR MOTAOSANE: Potso ke gore, ke eng ba raya will be gravelled, jaanong ke bona e nna bo grading, Tona ba re ba go na gravel ba santse ba ya go e senka, grading fela. Ga ke itse gore a o kile wa bona fa o when the gravel is there?

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Secondly, ba re bolelele gore tsela e e tsamaya ka fae ka (iv) if they will receive their benefits upon completion gore the design ya yone e fedile, tarring it, e tsamaya of their contracts. fa kae? Later Date. MR MOLALE: Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker. Honourable Motaosane, ke go utlwile gore gravel e MR GREEFF: On a point of procedure. Ke a leboga teng. Ke na le tsholofelo e ntsi ya gore re tlaa ya kwa Mr Speaker. Gongwe re thusane ka kgang e ya dipotso setsheng seo go ya go leba. Tumelo ya me ke gore, le gore how many supplementary questions do you allow fa go sa ye Rre Segokgo, le nna ke na le kgatlhego mo for one question because tse dingwe you allow bo seven lephateng lame gore ditsela tse jaaka ke ne ke re ke supplementary, tse dingwe one kana two. Gongwe go dingwe tsa the services tse re batlang to negotiate them nne le standard sa gore each question go letlelelwa gore di boele kwa Dikhanseleng, le nna ke tlaa ya go supplementary questions tse kae. Tanki. bona, e tle e re fa re bua le Rre Segokgo, re bo re itse MR SPEAKER: Quite right, I will allow a maximum gore tota mme re bua ka gravel e e leng teng fale, e of… depending on the question though; three. Gakere gongwe go ka simololwang ka bofefo. o a bona jaanong the result of these supplementaries, Se sengwe ke gore, re a buisanya gore re kopanye too many? We have not been able to deal with questions ditsompelo. O tlaa fitlhela Dikhansele di na le graders which are very important. So while I am still here, I may mme graders di nna di senyegile fela go sena madi a go even reduce them to maximum of two. di baakanya, jaaka Rre Moatlhodi a ne a botsa. Tumelo ya me ke gore, fa re ka kopanya ditsompelo tse, re Honourable Members, let us now deal with the Bills. ka dira go le go ntsi gore re nne re boelela ditsela, di MEDIA PRACTITIONERS (REPEAL) gopiwa, di baakanngwa kgapetsakgapetsa go itsa gore BILL, 2019 (NO. 29 OF 2019) go tseye ngwaga go se na sepe se se dirwang. Ya design ga ke na kitso ka yone, o tlaa intshwarela Second Reading motlotlegi ka gore ke ne ke lebile potso fela e bua (Resumed Debate) ka paakanyo ya ditsela tse di leng teng. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. MR SPEAKER: The debate of this Bill is resuming. When the House adjourned last week, Thursday 27th MR SPEAKER: Question 9, 10 and 11, we have to August 2020, Honourable Kwape was on the floor, and find some other time for them. So, we must now go to o ne a saletswe ke eight minutes and 10 seconds. Question Without Notice. MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE AND COOPERATION (DR KWAPE): Ke a leboga CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT FOR Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Maloba fa re SCORPIONS EMPLOYED BY THE SOUTH akgela mo molaong o, re ne ra re re se ka ra tsietsega gore EAST DISTRICT COUNCIL AND GABORONE Puso e na le maikaelelo a a tletseng gore bobegadikgang CITY COUNCIL bo gololesege, mme bo se ka jwa gololesega fela, bo nne ka tshosologo le ledula. Seo se tlhomamisiwa le ke MR G. KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): asked the maitlamo a rona jaaka bangwe ba ne ba setse ba buile Minister of Local Government and Rural Development mo Page 49 gore re itlamile gore re tlaa dira jang. if he is aware that qualified Scorpions employed by South East District Council and Gaborone City Council Fa godimo ga moo, re tsweletse ka gore tirisanyo ya have not reported for duty after their employment and to rona le bodiredi jwa bobegadikgang e nne e e edileng, a further clarify: ke Press Council, Botswana Media and Allied Workers Union (BOMAWU) kana Editor’s Forum. Jaanong (i) when they will start their duties; jaaka Tautona a buile mo dinakong tse di fetileng gore bobegadikgang bo tlaa gololesega, kgololesego e a neng (ii) whether they are paid whilst awaiting posting to a bua ka yone ya bobegadikgang rra, ga a bue fela ka duty stations; dipounama, le ka ditiro o a e dira. Nako le nako, gangwe (iii) if the ministry intends to see their contracts le gape fa Tautona a tsamaile, kana go na le sengwe se through; and a tshwanetseng gore a se buise, o bitsa babegadikgang

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gore ba tle go mo reedisa, ba mmotsolotse dipotso gore ganana le Honourable Keorapetse, ka mangwe mantswe fa go na le sengwe se se sa tsamaeng sentle, ba mo gape o ganana le manifesto wa lona? Fa e le gore ke go gakolole. utlwa sentle, o ganana le se Tautona a se buileng a se kopa. Gongwe ga ke a go utlwa ka gore Tautona ke ene Se sengwe se se botlhokwa rra ke gore, radios, a neng a rialo. Jaanong clarify kgang eo. Ke a leboga televisions le maranyane, a tsweletse ka go bega jaaka Mongwaketse. a tshwanetse. Jaanong kgang e ga go a tshwanela gore jaaka ke ne ke bua, go etsaetsege gore re batla gore DR KWAPE: Nnyaa, mme o ikarabile Mokwena babegadikgang kana go bega dikgang, go gololesege, go gore o nkutlwile ka tsa ga morakile. Ke rile molao o bo go itsamaise. Tona maloba o ne a bua gore molao o re tlaa ntshiwa mme go tsenngwa se se tlaa o emelang. buang ka one o, go mo thulaganyong ya gore go dirwe o Ke dirisitse dikai ke re, le fa motho a fitlhwa, go nna o tlaa dirang gore bone babegadikgang ba itsamaise. Ke le dithulaganyo, go tsenngwa ditlhogo. Ga e re ka tsaya gore ga re a tshwanela gore e re a santse a tshwere, gore motho o sule, a bo a thelelwa jaaka diphologolo re mo kgadiepetse mo tirong e a e dirang. tse dingwe. Ke ne ke ithaya ke re ke tlhalositse. Ke dumalana le gore nako e gorogile gore molao o o tswe Mongwe maloba o buile gore ka o sa bereke, ke eng o mo tirisong mme o se ka wa tswa mo tirong fela go se sa sutisiwe. Ke batla go fa sekai fela ka golo mo re go na sepe se se o emetseng mminaphuti. tlwaetseng, le letlotla ga o le thube fela, o simolola o le keleka gore e tlaa re fa o le thuba le wa, le wele ntlha efe DR GOBOTSWANG (SEFHARE- kgotsa le tloge le go wele. Mongwe o rile leso, fa motho RAMOKGONAMI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a sule, o a bo a sule, ke gore a katelwe. Nnyaa, mme go emela go ema nokeng Rraetsho Keorapetse ka kgang ya na le dithulaganyo tse di dirwang le fa motho a sule gore gagwe ya gore molao o wa bobegadikgang, o seegelwe a tle a fitlhiwe sentle, go se ka ga nna le ketsaetsego ya fa thoko. Mabaka a builwe gore molao o, o sale o gore o tlhokafetse. dirilwe ka 2008. Fa e sale ka 2008, ga o ise o bereke. Ka Se sengwe se se botlhokwa ke gore, kana molao o mabaka a a ntseng jalo, go maleba gore o ka phimolwa. direlwa motho, mme motho ene ga a direlwe molao. Ke a gakgamala ka kgang e, ke ne ke sa solofela gore Jaanong molao o, le fa o ka tswa o re ga o na mosola, go e ka nna manganga, e bo e tsaya lebaka le le kana. Re fitlhelela go nna le thulaganyo ya gore se se o emelang dumalana mo go yone. Ka kwa ba a dumalana gore se nne teng, jaaka Tona a buile kgapetsakgapetsa gore molao o, ke wa bokgokgontshi. Honourable Rakgare o go na le sengwe se se tshwereng, ke ne ke re re itetle, ne a o tlhalosa sentle gore ke molao wa bokgokgontshi. re se ka ra shashola pitsa e ise e butswe. Kana fa re ka Ka April 2019, go builwe ka kgang e, ba ganana le gore e shashola, kgantele re tlaa tloga re re Tona ga a apaya o ka baakanngwa. E rile jaanong dipolotiki di gaketse sentle. Ke gatelele fela gore ba re ka kwano ga Ntlo e, ka September 2019, ba bo ba supa gore ke maikaelelo re tlhomamisetsa setšhaba gore molao o babegadikgang a bone gore molao o, o phimolwe. Dikgang tsa teng ba tlaa itsamaisang ka one, ka matsekane otlhe a bone, di gatelelwa ke Tautona ka May 2020 fa a ne a buisa jaaka Rre Balopi a ne a bua maloba gore kana ga re reye bobegadikgang. A ba bolelela gore o kgatlhanong le fela ba ba kwalang kana ba ba buang mo radiong, pego molao o ka gore ke wa bokgokgontshi. E bile a bua ya dikgang e marakana mantsi, e diragala mo mafelong a mantsi. Jaanong ba tshwanetse gore e re le fa ba tla go sengwe se re tswang kgakala re se bua, gore fa godimo itsamaisa, re bo re na le thulaganyo e e ledula. foo, go tlhokana le molao wa Freedom of Information. Go gololesege gore babegadikgang le setšhaba, ba bone Ga ke dumalane le Tshutiso e ya ga Rre Keorapetse mo dikitso mo maphateng a Puso le a mangwe ka tsela e gompienong ka mabaka one a ke a buang. Ke gatelela e ntseng jalo. Jaanong, Freedom of Information ga e gore maikaelelo le tsotlhe tse e leng gore ngwana wa tle. Go lebega o kare le kgatlhanong le gore molao o, o motho o ka di dira ka kwano ga Ntlo e, re di tshwere ka phimolwe. Semenogane ke sa eng? Ke yone kgang e re matsetseleko. Jaaka bangwe ba e tle ba re pitsa ya teng e e buang. Ra re go senyega fa kae fa e le gore molao o, o tsholwa, re itumele, re tloge re re go apeilwe ditota fela. Ga ke batle go bua thata. ka phimolwa? Go senyegile eng?

MR RAMOGAPI: Clarification. Ke a leboga HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Honourable Minister. Ke go utlwe sentle gore a wa re o DR GOBOTSWANG: Clarification, I yield.

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MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR mongwe gape wa Botswana Unified Revenue Service PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (BURS). Re ne ra o dumalana mme re sa lebelela gore o (MR BALOPI): Clarification. Ke a leboga honourable tla ka lona ka koo. yo ke mo ratang thata wa kwa Tswapong. Ke tlhatswe HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. gore ga go na ope yo o ganelang gore re ne re rialo mo DR GOBOTSWANG: I yield for you Mme Manake. maitlamong a rona, e bile re santse re rialo. Tautona o ne a rialo. Se re se buang ra re, jaaka re setse re dumalana ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL mo maitlamong a rona gore molao o, o sutisiwe mme DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MS o se ka wa sutisiwa fela o tlogelwa mo legoeleleng. O MANAKE): Clarification. Thank you Mr Speaker. tshwanetse o tshegediwe ke sengwe se se tlaa supang Thank you Honourable Gobotswang. O e tshwere kgololesego le go tsamaisa bobegadikgang le makalana sentle, le batho ba megopolo e mentle. Go thona ka re a mangwe. Ke a leboga. buile gore dilo di ya go dirwa, le bo le tla gape ka tsone mo Palamenteng. Re le lebile gore le re thuse go busa ka DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a go leboga. Ke tlaa tsena megopolo e mentlentle e batho ba e emetseng. Re ka tla fa go bua Motion wa hidden hunger kana sengwe se se mo go yone eo ke e arabele. Boammaaruri ke gore, Puso ka agang. A o bona go siame Honourable Member gore ga e na maikaelelo a gore molao o, o baakanngwe kana selo se se solofeditsweng gore se ya go diriwa, re bo re o phimolwe. Akanya fela ka September 2019, gompieno tswelela re bua ka sone, re na le maitlamo le sengwe le re mo go September 2020, ngwaga otlhe. Ga go na sepe sengwe? You quoted Tautona mme re bo re ntse re bua se se diragalang. Ga go na Freedom of Information e e ka sone le gompieno. Ke a leboga. tlang. Ga go na maiteko ape a a supang gore molao o ba DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a leboga honourable. O se tsweletse ba dira sengwe. ka wa nna o tsaya two seconds, o tseye one wa utlwa? Go na le kgang e e buiwang ke Honourable Balopi Nnyaa, ke a go utlwa. Tota se o buang ke sone, fa re ya gore gone fa re o ntsha go senyega eng? Go tlile dumalana ke eng re tshwanetse go ngangisana. Ke eng go senyega eng? Gongwe go tlaa senyega sengwe, re go tsere ngwaga? Gongwe fa o ne o wetse foo, o ka bo tlaabo re itshegeditse ka eng? Bagaetsho, go na le melao nthusitse kgang. Ke eng go tsere ngwaga gore le dire e le mentsi e e leng gore fa mongwe bobegadikgang sone se le se buang? bo mo diretse phoso, o a itsheka. Le itshekile le a itse, Bagaetsho, lebaka le lengwe ke gore, kana bobegadikgang le sekisa bobegadikgang, bobegadikgang le jone jwa ke jone jo bo senolang corruption. Kgang e tona e o iphimela. Nako e nngwe ba a fenya mo dikgannyeng bonang go dikadikiwa gone fa, go buiwa ka molao tsa teng, fa gongwe le a fenya le ba sekisa. Melao e teng o, o go pala gore o phimolwe, o se na mosola, kgang e o ka e dirisang fa e le gore ga wa direlwa sentle ke ke corruption ya lefatshe le ka gore bobegadikgang bobegadikgang. Kgang e ya gore fa re sutisa molao o, re bo a e senola. Ba a itse gore fa bobegadikgang bo ka tlaabo re setse ka eng, tota ga e na boammaaruri, e bile tlogelwa bo itsamaisa, ra bo fa dithata tsotlhe le space ga e na boleng. Ke akanya gore re tsweng mo go yone. sa go bereka, bo ya go senola tshenyetso-setšhaba. Selo se se tona ke gore lebaka ke eng? Nnyaa, mme Tshenyetso-setšhaba ke yone mathata. Re ne re bona lebaka le papametse. Lebaka le lengwefela; thulaganyo report ya Afrobarometer e bua gore tshenyetso-setšhaba e re buang ka yone e, e re ntswa re e dumalana, le a e kwa godimo mme mathata a matona ke gore Batswana e gana ka gore e tla ka Mopalamente wa kganetso, ba tshaba to report it. Honourable Keorapetse. Ke lone lebaka fela le le tona. Ga go na lebaka le lengwe gape. Ke a gakgamala ka gore Tshenyetso-setšhaba ke yone e e emisitseng molao o fa fa le tla ka megopolo, re e ema nokeng. Maloba re ne re le bona o beilwe fa, o ya go tla o ntse jaana fela o sa eme nokeng mogopolo wa ga Rre Letsholo. Re bua gore fetolwa le fa e le sepe, ke one mathata a a leng teng. go tshwanetse gore mo Botswana, go bo go tsamaisa Kana fa e ne e se bobegadikgang, gompieno jaana re ka diteraka tsa Batswana go tsamaisa dithoto. Re amogela bo re sa itse ka National Petroleum Fund (NPF), gore mogopolo wa ga Rre Letsholo, re sa lebelela gore ke madi a jelwe. Madi a dipeterolo a jelwe, bobegadikgang moDomkrag. Re ntse re amogela melao e tla ka Matona jwa senola dikgang tse. Fa e ne e se bobegadikgang, a a farologaneng. Maloba re ne re dumalana le lona le tla re ka bo re sa itse gore batho ba ipha dipolase, re ka ka mogopolo wa gore go baakanngwe molao wa Income bo gongwe re sa itse ka bo Banyana Farms, gore go Tax. Fa godimo ga moo, ra dumalana le tlile ka yo diragetse eng teng…

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HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)…

DR GOBOTSWANG: …ke bobegadikgang. Jaanong MS MAKWINJA: …mo Africa, she has improved from ke kgang e tona e re lebaganeng le yone gone fa. Ga ke five to four, one notch up. Jaanong tota ke dumalana le itse comrade, o ne o re o batla sengwe? Motlotlegi Manake le Motlotlegi Morwaeng, gore kgang e e mo tafoleng, e a diriwa. Re a dumalana, jaanong ga HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. ke itse gore ke eng fa gotwe re gana Motion, ga re gane. DR GOBOTSWANG: I yield for you sir. Ke gore tiro e a diriwa. Ke ne ke re ke eme go le kalo. Ke a leboga. MR RAMOGAPI: Elucidation. Nnyaa, ke ne ke re o e tshwere sentle morwarre. Gongwe jaaka o e HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… tshwere jaana, re fete ka gore go tswa goo-Lowe, re HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, e tlhamaletse. bone babegadikgang ba ntse ba tlhatlhelwa ka fa tlase ga Puso ya ga Domkrag. Ke ntshitse bosupi gone mo MR SPEAKER: Sweet and short. Palamenteng, ke bua ka kgang e, mme jaanong o kare gompieno ba setse ba e tshaba, ga ba batle go bua le fa MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN e le ka yone sir. TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR MOAGI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker and good DR GOBOTSWANG: Ee, nnyaa mme go ntse fela jalo afternoon. Betsho, tota kgang e re a e touta, mme fa o bagaetsho. Bagaetsho, ga le ka ke la ganana le kgang e re o lebelela kwa re tswang teng le kwa re yang teng, fela ka gore e tla ka Mopalamente wa kganetso. Seemo se re tshotse mafoko a le mangwefela rotlhe, ka gore re a re tshwanetse go se fedisa. Re tshwanetse go tlhaloganya dumalana gore bobegadikgang jo e bile re tshwanetse gore fa re tla ka megopolo, le tshwanetse go dumalana go bo atolosa ka gore, kana ga re bue ka pampiri kana le yone fa e le megopolo e mentle jaaka mogopolo one radio fela. Re bua ka bobegadikgang bo phatlalatse, bo o, le dumalana le one. Fa le sena go nna le dumalana le na le jwa Sekgoa, bo e kareng gompieno ga re bo tsenye one, la re nnyaa, mme ga re dumalane le one e bile ga fa, ba maranyane a re buang ka one a, a mantsintsi a a re ka ke ra dumalana le lona ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. Ke ntseng jalo. supile fela gore re tswa kgakala re dumalana le lona fa le tla ka megopolo, re sa leba gore mogopolo o tla ka Re boa re tsenya gape bobegadikgang jwa thekiso; mang, ka Tona e e ka kwa, kana o tla ka Mopalamente billboards, advertising media, le jone bo ntse bo tsena wa Domkrag, ka gore re a bo re lebile gore motho yo ga mo teng. Jaanong ka re lemogile gore molao o tswa a ipuelele, o buelela Batswana. Le rona ga re ipuelele, re kgakala o ntse o sa re, mme Tona a adile kgang ya buelela Batswana. Babegadikgang le babereki ba a lela gagwe fela thata a bua gore o tsamaya fa le fa ka Selete, ka molao o. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. kwa a baakanyang teng dikgang tse di ntseng jalo. Ke eng re tshwanetse gore jaanong re taboge, re eme kwa ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION pele ga koloi e tsamaya, re batla go e borikha go na le (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa mokgweetsi wa yone? Ke bua jaana ka gore ga gona Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke leboge dibui tse di setseng sepe se se tlhaetseng mo teng ga mafoko a Tona a a di buile ka molao o. Tota jaaka Motlotlegi Manake a buileng, mme e bile le gone mo maitlamong a Phathi ya setse a buile, kgang e re ntse re e touta, mme ke gopola ga Domkrag, ka le na le one borra ka koo, ke page 49. E Motlotlegi Morwaeng a bega gore re emetse report ya e e supa that commitment to repeal and enact a new law, consultation. E e ka bong e tsile ka di 30 tsa ga August. gore re tle go baakanya molao o. Ke gopola gore mo bogaufing jo bo sa fediseng pelo, consultation report e tlaa tla, mme ba tlaa tswelela ka Tota le jaaka Motlotlegi Gobotswang a bua gore, re a tle go baakanya kana go fedisa molao o re buang ka one o. re dumalane, dinako tse dingwe ga re dumalane, mme ke eng jaanong e tshwanetse gore mo gongwe re patike Le fa molao o re bua gore o phimolwe (repeal) jaana tumalano eo, mme re ntse re itse gore tiro yone re a e betsho, ba World Press Freedom mo malobeng jaana, dira or at the end of the day, se re se batlang ke maduo Botswana, e ne e le number 44 out of 180 countries a gore a kgololesego ya bobegadikgang e teng, a se re worldwide, mme mo Africa Botswana e ne e le number se batlang mo molaong o sa go itsamaisa se teng. Dilo five. The recent survey ya this body ya World Press tse jaaka le a tle le bue, ga re a tshwanela go di potlaka, Freedom, Botswana has improved from 44 to 39… re tshwanetse go lebelela sengwe le sengwe, bogolo

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thata jang ka gore mo malatsing a gompieno, go na le Ka jalo, a kgang e e tsewe e se kgano ka kwano, mme e le melawana e mesha e e tsenyang bo electronic media, nnyaa, letlang se re bonang se tlhaetse mo Tshutisong e, cyber security le dilo tsotlhe tseo. gore se tle se kgone go tla se bodule sentle ka Tona yo o maleba. Le one maikaelelo, maitlamo le maikemisetso, Jaanong fa e le gore re bua ka molao o o tswang kwa go re a supile jalo mo page 49 ya manifesto wa rona, e bile 2008, go raya gore nako nngwe ka dinako tseo, dingwe gape le mo pronouncements tse di ntseng di builwe ke tsa dilo tse, tse e tlaabong e le ditlhabololo mo teng ga Tautona. Tota ga ke bone gore re ka ya lolololo ka one. molao o, di tlaabo di ne di saletse kwa morago. Jaanong Ke digele jaana gore, nnyaa, morwarre a ko re letele... pitsa e gotweng e a butswa e, e e tshotsweng ke Tona kwa Presidential Affairs, a re e tlogele e butswe sentle, MR KGAFELA: Further elucidation. Motlotlegi ke ne e kgakgathe, e se ka ya gema, ra tloga ra ja pherere kana ke re, tlhatswa kgang e gape. Kana diagente go na le digemisare. Ke sone se e leng gore nna tota ga ke bone Law Society and Legal Practitioners Act, e ke tsayang re tshwanetse go ya lolololo ka mafoko a a teng, re a gore fa gotwe stakeholders tsa yone, ga se diagente fela, dumalana, re kope fela gore... le setšhaba ka kakaretso are stakeholders. Ke botse gore fa go buiwa ka Media Practitioners Act, stakeholders MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND a ke bone bagasadikgang fela, kgotsa ke setšhaba ka HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR KGAFELA): kakaretso? O kare go na le impression ya gore molao o Elucidation. Ke go leboge motlotlegi. Ke ne ke re o stakeholders tsa one, ke bagasadikgang fela. Wa reng ka tlhatswe ntlha ke e, kana ke ne ke utlwa Dr Gobotswang, se sa setšhaba, you and I, ba re seng bagasadikgang, are ke utlwile le Motlotlegi Dithapelo Keorapetse ba re, re we not stakeholders sir? a itse gore fa motho pampiri a re ga e a mo tsaya sentle, o tshwanetse a dire eng, mme ke utlwile ba wela kwa MR MOAGI: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa goreng o tshwanetse a ye go itsheka. Jaanong o tlhatswe Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a leboga Motlotlegi ntlha eo gore a mme go bonolo mo Motswaneng fela Kgafela. Rra re baanelwa, we are stakeholders rotlhe re le with a modest income, gore o ka ya go itsheka ka molao setšhaba. Jaaka go nankotswe Editors Forum, Botswana wa defamation o o leng so complicated, pampiri e Media and Allied Workers Union (BOMAWU), Press emetswe ke agente, ene a sa afford agente eo? A mme go Council of Botswana, ga re batle go lebelela ditlhopha bonolo tota? Is it not more the reason why go tshwanetse tseo fela, ka gore ke tsa bobegadikgang. Fa re seyo rona ga nna le an oversight authority, jaaka diagente, re le baanelwa re le setšhaba, ga go na se go ka begiwang ka sone, ee. Le dikgang tse dintle tse Motlotlegi bonnese, accountants, engineers, botlhebotlhe who are Gobotswang a neng a bua ka tsone, a bua ka corruption, professionals gore go nne le a body, kwa o ka yang go a bua ka eng, ke dikgang tse re batlang gore mongwe le itela kwa go yone without paying a single thebe? E bo e mongwe wa rona, a bo a gololesegile gore fa go tla go le gore e ya go go buelela, e go otlhaela yo e leng gore begiwa ka ene fa, e bo go na le kwa a ka ikuelang teng ga a go tsaya sentle. Thank you. fa go begiwa sentle ka ene, kana fa go begilwe sentle go le go ntle, o ka ikuela le gone a itumela jalo. MR MOAGI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Go boammaaruri Motlotlegi Kgafela. Bogolo thata jang wena e bile o le Tota dilo tse di maleba bagaetsho, a re di tlogele di mantswitswidi ka koo, ka gore go babalela mongwe baakanngwe ke Tona yo o maleba, yo o tlaa tlang go le mongwe, a ke mmegadikgang, a ke yo go begwang rolela Ntlo e ka Bill e, e tla e batla gore e nne molao, ka ene e le moanelwa, a ke mang fela yo o tlaabong o bo o tswelela jalo. Re se ka ra tlogela go na le gap e le gore dikgang di begile ka ene. Go tshwanetse go mo teng ga gore re ntshe Bill, re bo re tlogela fela re le bo go na le gongwe kwa le ene a ka tabogelang teng, foo. Nakonyana ya gap eo, ba ba nang le maikaelelo fela jaaka o ne o ntse o nankola maphata a a nang le mangwe a e seng one, ke yone nako e ba tlaabong ba e boitsheko kwa ba ka tsamaelang teng. Jaanong ke sone dirisa go dira tsotlhe tse di ka ronkgelang nna le wena, se re reng, dilo tseo re di lemogile mo paakanyong e e kgantele ra iphitlhela re le ka fa mosing. Jaanong, rra tshotsweng ke Tona yo o lebaganeng le dikgang tse di tota ntle re tlogele Tona a dire se se maleba, mme re tlaa ntseng jaana. A re lekeng gore seemo seo, se nne teng sa e ema nokeng fa e tla ka Tona. gore go baakanngwe ka fa go ntseng ka teng, go tle kwa ke dumelang gore Motlotlegi Keorapetse le ene o bua ka MR BOKO: On a point of clarification. Tona, ke go gone, a emetse bobegadikgang le botlhe baanelwa ba ba utlwile tota, ke go utlwile le bakaulengwe botlhe ba ba nang le kgatlhego mo kgannyeng e e ntseng jaana. ntseng ba bua go tsweng fela kwa kgang e simologang

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teng. Go lebega re dumalana gore go tlhokafala gore gata ka letjatja Mr Speaker. Fa go ntse jaana, re tlaabo re go dirwe eng. Mathata a rona gape a re nang le one ka itse gore re diretse Batswana tshiamelo e ba a e batlang. kwano, fa o bona re ne ra tsaya tshwetso ya gore re tle ka Tshutiso e e ntseng jaana ke gore, go sale go rerilwe Melao e teng e re neng re ntse re e repeal Mr Speaker, kgang e mo lebakeng le le fetileng e bile dingwaga di e e neng e nyeletsa Local Police, foo re ne re sa kwale setse di wela. Rona ga re itse gore le na le maikaelelo molao o mošha, re ne re bolaya Local Police fela re a go tla ka Tshutiso kana go tla ka molao o o siameng bo jaanong re tsaya mapodise re ba tsenya ka kwa ka nako efe. Wena o na le lesego la gore o mo Cabinet sepodiseng se se tlwaelesegileng sa Botswana Police. gongwe o a itse. A mme ga o bone gongwe le ka tswa Go ntse jaana Mr Speaker, re tswa kgakala re ntse re le tsere lebaka le leele, le le setseng le dirile gore rona re melao e mengwe e a tlhotsa Honourable Keorapetse. ka kwano re felele re bona gore go botlhokwa go tla ka Fa e ne e le gore o tshwentswe thata gape ke gore sengwe to replace molao o o nang le dingwaga tse 10 o khansele e ne ya se ka ya kgona go nna teng sale molao ntse o sa dirisiwe gathering dust kwa o neng o le teng? o o simolola o nna teng, ga se yone khansele fela MR MOAGI: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Honourable Keorapetse, o tshwanetse go itse gore re Palamente. Fa o lebelela Motlotlegi Boko, o tlaa lemoga na le molao wa Directorate of Intelligence and Security gore go na le maikaelelo a e leng gore a na le timeframe, (DIS). Molao wa DIS o letla gore go tlaa nna le komiti e e leng Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) manifesto, ke e tlaabong e le yone that will oversee gore DIS e bereka one a re tlaabong re tsamaya ka one. Dilo tse tsotlhe tse jang. Go tswa ka 11th Parliament, gompieno re mo go di beileng fa, re di beile gore di simologe ka tsela e e 12th Parliament, komiti eo ga e ise e ko e nne teng. Fa ntseng jaana. Monate wa kgang e ke gore, kana le setse o sekaseka to repeal molao wa Media Practitioners Act, le e... ke go ema nokeng mo go one, ka gore one ke o Tautona MR SPEAKER: ...(Inaudible)... the time is up! le ene a dumetseng gore o tshwanetse to be repealed, gongwe le o wa DIS le one o bone gore o ka phimolwa, MR REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): Tlaa ka gore tota ga se gore o bereka sentle. ke go leboge Mr Speaker. Le nna ke eme ka go akgela mo Molao-kakanyetsong o re sa tswang go o bewa pele Fa kwa o ka ikuelang teng go le mo Act ya DIS, re ke Honourable Dithapelo Keorapetse, Mopalamente wa paletswe ke to establish that structure seo gore se nne Selebi Phikwe. teng, e nne sone that oversees if DIS e tsamaya sentle ka fa go tshwanetseng ka teng, ka fa molao o buang ka Mr Speaker, ke ema jaana ke dumela gore tota mo teng. Jaanong, structures tse fa di seyo, go raya gore ka sebakeng se ke se filweng se, ke supe gore ke batla tsela nngwe molao o a bo o tlhotsa, molao o a bo o sa go dumalana le Tautona wa lefatshe la Botswana His felelela. Excellency Mokgweetsi Masisi, gore a bo a boleletse Batswana gore tota ba mo neele mandate wa to repeal HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… molao o. MR REATILE: Ke tsone dikgang tse e leng gore fa Matshwenyego a a mo go Honourable Keorapetse kgang re tshwere molao, re di sekaseke go ya kwa pele. Ke kgolo ya gagwe ke gore, ba ba neng e le stakeholders, dumela gore fa re sekaseka melao go se ka ga nna e kete ba tshwanetse gore ba bo ba agile khansele e e tlaabong Honourable Dithapelo ka gore gongwe o dumela gore e le yone e e sekasekang dikgang tse, ba ne ba se ka babegadikgang ba go kwala ka botswerere, o leba fela ba nna le go tsaya karolo. Jaanong tota molao o ga o kwa molao o o dumelang gore gongwe ga ba o batle. Ka ise o nne fully functional mo lefatsheng la Botswana. gore ga go na ope yo o go kwalang ka dikgang tsa DIS, Palamente e o dirile ka manontlhotlho wa feta, le fa re e bo o itibisa go sele. A re sekaseke melao e ka leitlho ntse re re o se ka wa phimolwa, go nne molao mongwe le le lekalekaneng le maikutlo a a wetseng, re bone gore o o tsenang pele, ga go ope yo o ka ipetsang sehuba tota mo go siametseng Batswana le Botswana ke eng, a re, ke molao o o mo tirisong ka mashetla. Ke molao e seng mo go siametseng nna ke le morwa Reatile. Ke o o dirilweng, mme tota gore o bo o bereka o tlhotsa, gone ka fa re tshwanetseng gore fa re tsena mo Melao- jaanong re tshwanetse re tseye tshwetso ya gore molao kakanyetsong e, re e sekaseke jalo. o phimolwe, re bo re ya go tla ka molao o o tlaabong Mr Speaker, fa re ntse re tsweletse ke gopola gore molao o bereka o o gatang ka oo mabedi, gona le gore o bo o o re ne ra o fetisa ka lesukasuka, re tsholeditse maikutlo

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tota re tlhwaafetse re dumela gore ke gone jaaka re They must litigate and nothing else but litigate; no baakanya kgang ya bobegadikgang jwa lefatshe la alternative? Ke bua ka media sir, not DIS. Botswana. Ke gopola o tshwana le o re neng re o fetisa... MR REATILE: Honourable Kgafela, ke santse ke bua MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND gore molao o o tla maabane e bile it was not replacing HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR KGAFELA): any law. Fa o tla maabane without replacing molao ope On a point of clarification. Ke a go leboga motlotlegi. jaana, Batswana ba ne ba ntse ba tsweletse ba itsheka Ke botse fa motlotlegi gore, jaaka ke utlwa ba e leng kgatlhanong le bobegadikgang. Le gompieno ke a re if gore they are in support of a repeal, ka ke ntse ke utlwa we repeal it, Batswana ba tlaa tswelela ba ntse ba itsheka ba re fa o ngongorega kgatlhanong le mogasadikgang kgatlhanong le bobegadikgang. Ga go na magodimo tsamaya o ye go itsheka kwa kgotlatshekelong, is there ape a a wang Mokgatla. E tlaabo e ntse e le gore fela any offer of an alternative kwa ntle ga kgotlatshekelo? jaaka maloba le maabane o ne o ntse o emela Batswana Once you repeal this Act do you have an offer of an kgatlhanong le bobegadikgang ka fa ba neng ba dumela alternative, o fe Motswana some alternative other than gore ga ba tsewa sentle ka teng, kana ga ba a kwalwa gore a ye go itsheka kwa kgotlatshekelong, which might sentle. O ya go tswelela o ntse o emela Batswana jalo be expensive and not so easily accessible to him. Is there ka fa o neng o ntse o ba emela ka teng. Ga go na sepe se an alternative sir? se fetogang morwarre. A re se ka ra tshwenyega thata. A re emeng maikano a ga Tautona nokeng gore o tlile MR REATILE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Potso ya go netefatsa gore he is going to repeal this law. Ke nako gago e ntle thata morwarre ka gore molao o o tsholwa for us to repeal molao o re ema Tautona wa lefatshe la maabane ke Palamente ya lefatshe la Botswana. O Botswana nokeng ka fa a boleletseng Batswana ka teng. fitlhela Batswana ba ntse ba itsheka kgatlhanong le Ke sone fela se ke se buang gore ke sone se Tautona a bobegadikgang. Gompieno jaana re tshwanetse re supe kopileng Batswana gore, “nneelang thomo, mme fa ke gore kana fa re supa Directorate of Intelligence and tsena ka gore ke bona gore go na le melao mengwe e e Security (DIS) Act jaaka ke ne ke baya e le sekai, e supa fatlhang, ke ya go netefatsa gore ke e emela ka dinao, ke gore go tshwanetse go nne le a sort of boikuedi, kwa re e ntshe fa pele ga lona gore e se ka ya nna difatlhi.” Ke ikuelang teng. Go bidiwa eng? Ke lebetse leina la yone sone fela se ke se buang motlotlegi. gore gatwe ke eng. Kwa re ikuelang teng ga go reye gore batho ga ba tswelele ba ntse ba itsheka kgatlhanong le MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN DIS. This establishment e ntse e seyo e gotweng fa o bona TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR gore DIS ga e a go tsaya sentle, ke gone kwa o ka yang MOAGI): Clarification Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga Mr go ikuelang teng. Dingongorego di ntse di tsweletse di Speaker, ke a leboga Motlotlegi Reatile. Kana o kare o fitlha kwa makgotleng a ditsheko, establishment ya go felela mo tseleng ka mafoko a gago a ga Tautona. O nna jalo e ntse e seyo. Mo go raya gore le fa gompieno a buile sentle gore o ntsha molao oo, mme o tlisa o jaana Batswana ba ntse ba tsweletse if we repeal, ba ntse mongwe o o tlaa emelang molao oo, e seng gore a o ba ya kwa court, ga ba a timela Mokgatla ka ba tlaabo tlogele fela a o repeal. Jaanong a ko o bue mafoko a ga ba ntse ba le mo tseleng ka gore kwa court boatlhodi ke Tautona sentle motlotlegi. Ke a leboga. jone jo bo tsereganyang. Ga ba fete ba re, lwang, re bone MR REATILE: Thank you Honourable Moagi. Thank gore yo o thata mo go lona ke mang. Ba tlile go feta ba you Mr Speaker. Ke dumela gore fa re tswelela by botsa fela gore wa re matshwenyego a gago ke eng fa o repealing molao o Honourable Moagi, kgang e e teng ikuela? Go diragetse eng kgatlhanong le wena, o bo o ke gore bakwadi ba molao ba ya go tla ba tsholeditse supa dilelo tsa gago. E bo e le gore fa o supa dilelo tsa mosepele gore ba tlise molao o o tshwanetseng go gago, bareetsi ba dikgang ba bo ba supa gore, mme tota emisetsa one o. Jaanong fa re ntse fela go sena sepe se o tlile go ikuela mo go senang mabaka kana a le teng, se diragalang, Tautona a boleletse Batswana gore o tlaa mme jaanong lekgotla le dumalana kana le ganana le ntsha molao, o kare ka tsela nngwe re ne re ba ba baya wena. Ke sone fela se ke neng ke se supa gore fa molao bobi matlhong. Ke kgang fela e e tletseng ya gore molao o a ntshiwa, o mongwe o etla o mo tseleng. Ga go na o ntse jaana… jaaka e ka re o o ntshiwa, o o tlaabong o o emisetsa, go MR KGAFELA: Further clarification. I thank you bo go nna le Mopalamente o o ka o ganang ka gore ke Honourable Member. Do I hear you correctly that you dikgang tse e leng maitlamo a ga Tautona gore go tlile are offering Batswana no alternative to litigation sir? go nna jalo mo Palamenteng ya lefatshe la Botswana,

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le mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Ke tshimologo mme go Phathi ya Botswana National Front (BNF), ka nako eo tlaa nna le bokhutlo. When we repeal, ke tshimologo, bo Rre Mthimkhulu e santse e le maloko a yone, ba mme bokhutlo e tlaabo e le fa re emisetsa (replace) ka ne ba bua thata ka kgololesego ya bobegadikgang. So, molao o o tlaabong o tsena motlotlegi. Ke gone fela ka dikgang tse ga tse disha tse bontsi jwa lona ba le leng fa dikgang di ntseng ka teng monna wa kwa Gamalete. fa le akanyang gore o kare di tla lantlha ka gore they Jaanong a re netefatseng gore re ema Tautona nokeng appear for the first time mo manifesto wa Botswana ka ditsela tsotlhe le fa Honourable Keorapetse a leka go Democratic Party (BDP) wa 2019. Ke dikgang tse re siana fa pele ga gagwe. Fela ka gore ke maitlamo a rona, tswang kgakala re di tshwere. a re o eme nokeng. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, Honourable Morwaeng fa a emelela fa o HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… buile ka gore this law is inoperable. A bua ka gore ga re ka ke ra repeal mme ra se ka ra tlogela sepe. A bo a MR SPEAKER: I call upon the mover to reply to the tswelela ka go bua ka gore go a tlhokafala gore go nne debates. Honourable Keorapetse. le consultation. Bontsi jwa botlhe ka kwa Domkrag ba MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): ba neng ba emelela, ba ne ba iteela kobo moroko sone Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, ke tlaa simolola se a se buang. Gongwe ke simolole fela ka kgang ya go fela ka go nopola se re se buileng mo maitlamong a dumalana gore this law has been inoperable. Honourable Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC), mme ke tlaa Members, le tlaa gakologelwa gore fa molao o o tla nopola mo Page 20. It is a Chapter on Governance, lefatshe la Botswana le ne le na le 42 years le ipusa. Anti-Corruption and Human Rights, mme mafoko a a Potso e le tshwanetseng go e ipotsa ke gore ka nako eo kwadilwe ka Sekgoa. bobegadikgang bo ne bo tsamaisiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang? Ke yone potso e le paletsweng ke go e araba gore MR SPEAKER: Go ahead. pele ga molao oo o tla go ne go ntse jang, o ne o fitlhela eng? Potso e nngwe e le neng le tshwanetse go e araba MR KEORAPETSE: “Press freedom is compromised ke gore 54 years later, this law has been inoperable. In by regulation, especially a Media Practitioners Act that other words, go tshwana fela le fa o ne o seyo for 54 should have no place in a democracy. Radio Botswana, years. Jaanong le paletswe gape ke go tlhalosa gore go Botswana Television and the Government social media ne go tsamaiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. platforms are intensely partisan. They promote the President, his party, and the Government rather than Mr Speaker, gongwe ke simolole pele ka kgang ya ga inform and educate in a non-partisan manner. Access Honourable Kgafela e a neng a bua ka Section 86 gore to information is generally constrained. Consequently, ga a tlhomamise gore a e ka se ke e kgopakgopediwe fa we have an opaque Government under which citizens molao o o ntshiwa. Gongwe ke mo tlhamaleletse gore cannot demand and receive information that citizens in ga go na fa Section 86… true democracies have as a matter of cause. A Freedom of Information Act, which the Government promised HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Mr more than five years ago is yet to materialise”. Ke se re Speaker. buileng mo maitlamong a UDC) a a neng a na le title ya “Decent Jobs, Decent Lives, it is Possible.” MR KEORAPETSE: Nnyaa, ga ke ise ke bo ke ye gope. Ga go na fa Section 86 e buang gore o ka se ke wa Mr Speaker, go builwe thata ka gore dikgang tse re ntsha (repeal) molao, mme e bile wa se ka wa o emisetsa di buang fa di mo manifesto wa phathi e e busang ya ka sepe. There is no explicit requirement that when you Domkrag. Ke tlhalose Mr Speaker, gore go tswe ntsweng, repeal, o tshwanetse to re-enact. ke nnile active mo dipolotiking ka 99 ke bala Form 4, mme go ne go na le buka e ke neng ke sa kgaogane le There are different types of repeals Mr Speaker; there yone. E ne e bidiwa gotwe ke Democratic Development is repeal with no enactment, repeal with re-enactment Programme (DDP) le manifesto wa Botswana Congress and partial repeal. There are different repeals. Se re Party (BCP) ka nako eo wa 1999. Ke documents tse se kopang gompieno ke repeal with no immediate re- ke neng fa ke ya kwa debating tournaments, I made enactment. Fa e le gore mo isagong re ka dumalana sure gore ke nna ke na le tsone because di ne di bua gore go tshwanetse gore go nne le enactment ya molao o ka democracy ya Botswana. Se ke se gakologelwang ke o tshwanetseng gore o tsamaise bobegadikgang, which gore dikgang tse tsa media freedoms di tswa kgakala. we do not favour on our side, because re dumela gore

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self-regulation e e leng gore it is in place, is adequate, it a eme, a nkaraba mo potsong e e neng e botswa, a bua can be improved where possible. gore fa go na le Batswana ba ba sa kgoneng go itsheka, go na le Legal Aid, go bua Minister wa Domkrag. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. Minister wa Domkrag yo mongwe o a botsa ka fa a re MR KEORAPETSE: Ke batla go araba dikgang that o botsa Keorapetse gore jaanong o batla batho ba tsaya you raised sir. Honourable Kgafela, o buile gore, go na kae madi? le professions tse dintsi, wa di nankola ka bontsintsi jwa HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… tsone, tse e leng gore are being regulated. Mme wa botsa potso e e tlhamaletseng gore, jaanong e profession MR KEORAPETSE: You see, ke yone hypocrisy ke eng e sa tshwanela to be regulated and the answer e e leng gore it catches up with you, because you are to you sir is that, this profession is being regulated insincere mo dikgannyeng tsotlhe tse ba kganetso ba and I will explain. Ke tlhalose gape gore, there is no tlang ka tsone mo Palamenteng. Honourable Kgafela… requirement that all professions should be regulated HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Clarification. under any section of the Constitution. Ga go na gope fa e ka reng o bula Constitution ya rona o bo o fitlhela MR KEORAPETSE: Ke batla go araba dipotso tsa fa gotweng all professions must be regulated. You must lona ka gore le boditse dipotso tse dintsi, jaanong ga ask yourselves gore how was this profession regulated? go batle le ka nkgoreletsa bakaulengwe. Honourable Mma ke tsene mo karabong ya gore how this profession Kgafela, go na le lekgotla le bidiwa gotwe Press has been regulated, mme bontlha bongwe jwa karabo e Council of Botswana, mo teng e bua ka Botswana Code bo arabilwe ke Honourable Lucas. Honourable Kgafela of Ethics, e bua ka general standards tse babegadikgang you are a lawyer, you have been appearing before our ba tsamaisiwang ka tsone, le ka general duties of a courts, the first thing you ought to know is that there media practitioner. E bua ka good practice, mme mo is case law, Judicial precedent. So kgang e ya gore go good practice, e bua ka bo accuracy, correction of tlaabo go sena sepe, go na le lacuna, there is case law, inaccuracy, distortion, rebuttal le right of reply, e e mo e leng gore mmegadikgang mongwe le mongwe pele neng e buiwa ke Mothusa Tautona. Tsone tse di teng mo ga a kwala story, se a se itseng ke gore, go na le case teng. Fa pampiri e sa go bega sentle, ga o tlhoke gore o law on dikgang tse di tshwanang le tsa defamation. Ke tabogele kwa Makgotleng a Ditsheko, o simolola pele santlha se ke batlang gore ke se bue. o ya kwa Press Council o ba raya o re, ke kopa right of reply kwa pampiring ya gore. There is no lacuna, Mr Speaker, dikgang tse gotweng there will be a lacuna, there has never been a lacuna and there will never be go tlaabo go sena sepe, nnyaa, ke dikgang tsa go batla a lacuna, e le ntseng le bua ka yone le re go tla nna go latlha setšhaba. Rraetsho, case law kana re bua ka le lacuna. E bua ka bo comment conjecture and fact, ditshwetso tse di tserweng ke Kgotlakgolo ya Ditsheko. le the rules of profession. They are governed by the Case e e neng e sekwa ke Kgafela Kgafela, e le one of Press Council. E bua ka bo undue pressure or influence, the best human rights lawyers to have been produced by public interest, payment for information, reporting of this country, o ne a emetse Rre Maruping Dibotelo mme investigation, privacy, intrusion into grief or shock, a fenya on that case ya defamation of character against interviewing or photographing children, so many pampiri ya Mmegi. Ga nna le kgang ya ga Phillip things. There is nothing that is not covered mo Press Dikgang Makgalemele yo a neng a sekisa radio station Council. Dikgang tse le di buang tse le reng fa molao ya Yarona FM, mme a fenya kgang eo. Ga nna le kgang o seyo, go tlaabo sala go sena sepe, le leka go timetsa ya ga Mbiganyi Charles Tibone yo ka nako eo e neng setšhaba, le batla maipato a go ganana le se Honourable e le Minister wa ga Goromente a seka le pampiri, ke Keorapetse a tlang ka sone mo Palamenteng. Ga go na dumela gore e ne e le ya Sunday Standard. Mo bathong sepe sa lacuna se se leng teng. bone ba, ga nna le Honourable Fidelis Mmilili Molao, yo le ene a neng a seka, mme mo go ba ke ba nopolang There is a plethora of laws, Honourable Kgafela you fa, ke ene fela yo case ya gagwe e neng ya tshololwa ke are a lawyer, you ought to know this. Honourable lekgotla. Fa o batla go bona hypocrisy ya seDomkrag, ke Mthimkhulu, o agente, selo seo ke selo se o tshwanetseng gore Honourable Kgafela a bo a emelela a bua gore, a gore o bo o se itse, gore bobegadikgang, kwa ntle fela ga o raya gore litigation ke yone fela avenue e e leng teng, gore go na le Press Council le case law, go na le melao ke gore it is prohibitively exorbitant or …(Inaudible)… e mentsintsi e e laolang babegadikgang, Honourable to that effect. Mme kgantele Honourable Mokgethi a ne Lucas o e nankotse bontsi jwa yone. A re simolole ka

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wa Botswana Communications Regulatory Authority ba re, we are going to repeal, not only repeal, but bring (BOCRA) o o laolang radio stations, ke molao o o teng, Freedom of Information Act. Consultation e go buiwang o o tlhamaletseng. Fa re ya ditlhophong ba a itse gore ka yone Mr Speaker; 2015 Honourable Dr Butale o tla ba tshwanetse ba itsamaise ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Fa ka Motion mo Palamenteng, karabo ke gore, we are o batla sengwe mo go bone, they will refer you to molao consulting, 2015! 2018 ke tla Palamenteng ka Molao- wa BOCRA gore ke one o ba tsamaisang. Mo melaong kakanyetso, we are still consulting. 2019, 2020 we are yone e go na le Penal Code e e buang ka dikgang tsa bo still consulting, makwalo a kwalwa ka 3rd of August 2020 criminal defamation, le melao ya bo National Security gotwe we are still consulting. Ke sone se ke go rayang Act, Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime ke re, ga go na boammaaruri, ga go na insincerity. Go (DCEC) Act, DIS, Police, Botswana Defence Force na le bad faith, from 2008, this Government has been (BDF) le Cinematograph Act, there is a plethora of telling us that they are consulting. Se ke se bonang Mr legislation e e laolang bobegadikgang. Speaker ke gore, mathata fela a matona a a leng teng ke gore Bill e e tlile ka mang. Go tshwanetse go bonwa Ke tshwanetse ke gatelele ntlha e e neng e buiwa ke gore the proposal e a ganiwa ka gore... A ke yield to Honourable Lucas ya gore, le fa go ntse jalo, re dumela Minister in the Presidency, with your permission Mr gore melao e e kgokgontshang babegadikgang kana Speaker. e ba kgoreletsa mo tirong ya bone, e tshwanetse gore e baakanngwe. Mengwe ya yone Mr Speaker ke e MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL ke e balolotseng. Fa o tsaya sekai se se tshwanang le AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC sa DCEC Act, go na le fa e buang gore o ka se ke o ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Point bege mo ditlhotlhomisong tsa tshenyetso-setšhaba of clarification. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tse di tsweletseng, mme boammaaruri ke gore jone tsa Palamente. Mokaulengwe, dikwalo di ka tswa di bobegadikgang e bile, bo kgona gore bo bo bo eteletse kwadile bosheng, consultation e simologile December pele ditlhotlhomiso, ke gore bo le kwa pele, investigator ngwaga o o fetileng mme e bile e tsweletse. Ke raya ene a tla a setse investigative journalist morago. Go gore dikwalo tse o buang ka tsone ga se tshimologo diragetse mo dikgannyeng tse dintsi. Ke ne ke bereka ya consultation, ke continuation ya consultation e e kwa DCEC, weekly ba tsaya dipampiri (newspapers) ba simologileng ka December o re tswang mo go ene mme bo ba tlhola reports, gore a go na le report ya tshenyetso- re ntse re tsweletse ka yone. setšhaba mo teng, e e leng gore it is worth following. Fa o lebelela the Corruption and Economic Crime Act MR KEORAPETSE: Jaanong se ke se buang (CECA), o lebelela kgang e ya bobegadikgang, o a Honourable Speaker, ke gore… bona gore di a thulathulana and go tlhokafala gore go baakanngwe. So there is no kgang ya lacuna. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

Ke batla go araba kgang ya consultation, Honourable MR KEORAPETSE: …bone ba o reng you are Morwaeng o kwala lekwalo ka di three tsa ga August, consulting, ba re ga go na se se fetogileng, molao o when the Bill was gazetted ka December 2019. Fa e le ntse ga ba o batle, a o tsamaye. Ke sone se ba se buang. gore gone moo ga se mischief Mr Speaker, ga ke itse Go bo o re o ba consult gape o ba kwalela ka August, gore go ka bidiwa gotwe ke eng. Ba BOMAWU le when you have promised before the elections gore you Media Institute of Southern Africa (MISA) ba ne ba le are going to repeal the law, ba re go supa gore ga o na kwa Duma FM radio ba tlhalosa gore we were promised boammaaruri ka se o neng o se ba bolelela. re le babegadikgang gore, ke le Tautona Masisi, ke ya ditlhophong, mme fa ke boa kwa fa ke ka fenya, I am MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Keorapetse, going to repeal the Media Practitioners Act. There was this time we are caught up by COVID-19, we have done no issue ya gore molao o baakanngwe. Honourable two hours, we should adjourn for 30 minutes. Mthimkhulu kept on saying, “molao o re batla gore o baakanngwe, Tautona o rile o baakanngwe.” Tautona ga PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 4:04 P.M. FOR ise a re o baakanngwe. Give me a quotation e Tautona APPROXIMATELY 30 MINUTES a reng molao o o baakanngwe. Tautona has been very PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 4:34 P.M. clear, repeal! repeal! Party ya ga Domkrag, posted mo Facebook page ya bone fa go iwa ditlhophong tsa 2019 “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP”

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MR SPEAKER (MR PULE): Order! Order! Masisi ka gore re a itse gore le ka nako ele ya Gabz- Honourable Members, when we went for tea break, FM go na le clip, fa o e batla ke tlaa go e romelela Mr Honourable Keorapetse was on the floor. Speaker, a bua gore, “re ne re ba ribametse, or ways to that effect ba Gabz-FM ba ithaya ba re re na le bone. Le MR KEORAPETSE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa tsamaye le ye kwa Facebook lona maDomkrag le ipitse Dipuisanyo. Se re se tlhalositseng mo maitlamong a Tom mangmang.” Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC), mo temaneng e e buang ka governance Mr Speaker, go a tlhokafala HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee. to repeal molao o. Tautona o itlamile le party ya gagwe gore molao o a o phimolwe. Jaanong go a lebega gore ba MR KEORAPETSE: So motho yo o botlhabetsi mo paletswe ke go ntsha mabaka a a tletseng a gore ke eng bobegadikgannyeng, yo o tswang kgakala a sa ribamela molao o ka se ke o phimolwe. Ra re Mr Speaker, first Khama fela, a ribametse le bone babegadikgang... repeal of this law go sala self-regulation, case law, press HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)... council le melao e e teng e e tsamaisang bobegadikgang. MR KEORAPETSE: …ke President Masisi, yo o ba Sabobedi; ra re a go tle molao wa Freedom of ribametseng le ka molao wa Media Practitioners Act, yo Information Act. Honourable Saleshando o ne a tla ka a rileng o ya go o phimola. Gompieno re bua jaana e th a proposal in the 10 Parliament, mme re a itse se se le gore ga a ise a o phimole. Le paletswe ke go ntsha diragetseng ka nako eo gore President Masisi yo ka nako mabaka… eo e neng e le Minister in the Office of the President, o ne a tshepisa gore ga go tlhokafale to approve se HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Honourable Saleshando a tlang ka sone. O ne a itlama e le Minister, an assurance e e dirilweng in the House MR KEORAPETSE: …Honourable Balopi, le ne le gore o tlaa tla ka molao oo. Re bua jaana e le gore molao beile mo dipalong jaanong ke nako ya gore le supe se o o ntse ga o ise o tle. Rona Mr Speaker, mo UDC ra re le se kgonang, se le nang le bokgoni mo go sone, e leng let us review the Constitution, particularly re lebelele dipalo. Mabaka a le paletse, di agente tsa lona tsotlhe di in respect of babegadikgang, Section 12 (1) because kile tsa emelela, di paletswe ke go tlhalosa molao le go le baeladilotlhoko ba buile gore what the Constitution ntsha mabaka a a tiileng. gives ka Section 12 (1), takes back ka 12 (2). So jaanong HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)... ra re one; review the Constitution. The Constitution must be explicit on protection ya babegadikgang. MR KEORAPETSE: Jaanong a re yeng kwa dipalong ka gore ke tsone tse le di kgantshitseng, le ye go re Secondly; the Constitution e tshwanetse gore e patike fenya. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Palamente gore e se ka ya dira melao e e kgokgontshang babegadikgang. Sone se se sale se builwe ke Botswana MR SPEAKER: Order! Honourable Members. Congress Party (BCP), Botswana National Front HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… (BNF) le UDC gore let us review the Constitution so that Parliament is prohibited from enacting laws that MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! prohibit freedom of expression and of the media. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Mr Speaker, re buile re tlhamaletse gore melao e ke sa tswang go e bua a e baakanngwe, e e tshwanang le MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members. bo Penal Code, Immigration Act, Cinematograph Act le National Security Act le e mengwe. Mr Speaker, ke HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… … tlhalose gore kana melao e e kgoreletsa babegadikgang, (Laughter!)… mme fa e tswelela e ntse jalo… Ke buile le ka molao Question put and Division called for. one o bo Honourable Billy ba ntse ba bua gore re tlaabo re phimola go bo go sala go sena sepe, mme ke tsaya MR SPEAKER: So we go voting. Make sure that all gore ya teng ke e arabile. Molao o o senya lefatshe la the doors are closed, no one comes in and no one leaves Botswana leina because if it remains in our statutes, it the House. is referenced. Ga go gakgamatse ka fa party e e busang e dirang ka teng, le moeteledipele wa yone e bong Rre ..Silence...

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MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, ke tsaya gore tsamaiso le a e itse. Order! Order!

CLERK:

Member’s Name Aye No Abstain Absent His Excellency Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi √ Honourable Kgotla Kenneth Autlwetse √ Honourable Mpho Balopi √ Honourable Yandani Boko √ Honourable Sam Justice Brooks √ Honourable Honest Buti Billy √ Honourable Dr Gorataone Dikoloti √

Honourable Dr Unity Dow √ Honourable Karabo Socraat Gare √ Honourable Dr Kesitegile Gobotswang √ Honourable Christian Greeff √ Honourable Kainangura Caterpillar Hikuama √ Honourable Liakat Kablay √ Honourable Kenny Kiniotiro Kapinga √ Honourable Goretetse Kekgonegile √ Honourable Dithapelo Lefoko Keorapetse √

Honourable Phildah Kereng √ Honourable Mmusi Kgafela √

Honourable Tshekedi Stanford Khama √ Honourable Dr Lemogang Kwape √

Honourable Leepetswe Lesedi √ Honourable Sethomo Lelatisitswe √

Honourable Aubrey Lesaso √ Honourable Dr Douglas Letsholathebe √ Honourable Thapelo Letsholo √ Honourable Friction Tshoganetso Leuwe √ Honourable Taolo Boipuso Lucas √ Honourable Polson Majaga √ Honourable Nnaniki Wilhemina Tebogo Makwinja √ Honourable Beauty Manake √ Honourable Tumisang Mangwegape-Healy √

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Honourable Baratiwa Mathoothe √ Honourable Dr Thapelo Matsheka √ Honourable Wynter Boipuso Mmolotsi √ Honourable Kagiso Thomas Mmusi √ Honourable Simon Nkosana Moabi √ Honourable Lefoko Maxwell Moagi √ Honourable Pono Pearson Patson Moatlhodi √ Honourable Setlhabelo Naser Modukanele √ Honourable Anna Maria Mokgethi √ Honourable Eric Mothibi Molale √ Honourable Fidelis Macdonald Molao √ Honourable Molebatsi Shimane Molebatsi √ Honourable Talita Monnakgotla √ Honourable Kabo Neale Sechele Morwaeng √ Honourable Mokwaledi Ignatius Moswaane √ Honourable Palelo Keitseope Motaosane √ Honourable Motsamai Gabantema Jelson Motsamai √ Honourable Dumezweni Meshack Mthimkhulu √ Honourable Kefentse Mzwinila √ Honourable Kgoberego Nkawana √ Honourable Tumiso Macdonald Rakgare √ Honourable Onneetse Ramogapi √ Honourable Mephato Reatile √ Honourable Oabile Regoeng √ Honourable Dumelang Saleshando √ Honourable Thulagano Merafe Segokgo √ Honourable Peggy Serame √ Honourable Machana Ronald Shamukuni √ Honourable Johane Luther-Tine Thiite √ Honourable Dr Never Tshabang √ Honourable David Tshere √ Honourable Slumber Tsogwane √

…Silence… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, maduo a ditlhopho a dule. “Present” - 41, “Ayes” - 15, “Noes” - 26, “Abstention” - 0, “Absent” - 22. Honourable Members, the Noes have it. Question put and negated.

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HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… o ka tswa o le mo tirong kana o le kwa ntle, gongwe a belaelwa borukutlhi ke ba Directorate on Corruption BILL and Economic Crime (DCEC), kana mapodise, kana PRISONS (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2019 any other law enforcement, kana a lebisitswe molato mo (NO. 26 OF 2019) tirong mo gongwe a belaelwang gore o ka tswa a robile dingwe ditsamaiso mo tirong. Mo nakong e e fetileng Second Reading e ntse e le gore Goromente o ka se ke a mo duele madi otlhe, o ka mo neela half salary mme a bo a emisa MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): gongwe le bo allowances tse dingwe. E ne e le practice Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. e e neng e ntse e le teng go fitlhelela go nna le molao wa Members ba bone Bill e e latelang e, it was gazetted ka Public Service Act o o dirilweng ka 2008 ke Palamente, di 6th December, 2019. Ke tlaa bala memorandum wa mme wa tsena mo tirisong ka 2010. teng ka Sekgoa, mme e tlaa re fa ke tsena mo talking points, ke tlaa di bua ka Setswana if you permit me Mr E rile paakanyo e sena go dirwa Mr Speaker, ga bo go Speaker. lebalwa ba ba disang magolegwa, mapodise le masole. Ka boraro jwa bone, jaanong ba rontshiwa tshwanelo e e MR SPEAKER: Go ahead Honourable Member. filweng modirelapuso mongwe le mongwe. E bile ga se MR KEORAPETSE: Mr Speaker, I beg to present the modirelapuso mongwe le mongwe fela, ke badirelapuso Prisons (Amendment) Bill, 2019 (No. 26 of 2019). A e bile ba maemo a a kwa godimo. Go na le Permanent draft of the Bill is intended to be presented as set out Secretary to the President, kana yoo ke ene the top man below. The object of the Bill Mr Speaker, is to amend kana woman fa e ka nna mme. Go ne ga diragala gore Section 52 of the Prisons Act (Cap 21:03), which mongwe wa Permanent Secretary to the President a mandate the withholding of a portion of the salary of a seegelwe fa thoko (suspended), and with pay. Go kile prison officer interdicted under the Act or any other law, ga diragala gore baatlhodi ba Kgotlakgolo ya Ditsheko by ensuring that there is uniformity in terms of treatment ba seegelwe fa thoko ba le bane Mr Speaker, nako e of prisons officers and other Government employees similarly placed. This is achieved by deleting Section 52 yotlhe fa ba seegetswe fa thoko, ba ne ba duelwa madi (2) and (3) of the Act. Mr Speaker, the Bill it is as I have a bone otlhe. Gompieno jaana ke dumela gore go na le presented it. It seeks to amend Section 52 by deleting (a) Judge yo gone jaana le fa a sa seegelwa fa thoko, ga a Subsection 2 and (b) deleting Subsection 3. a theogela. Tota gone mo Mr Speaker, ke ipotsa gore jaanong ke eng fa ba security sector ba ntshiwa ka leso Mr Speaker, o tlaa gakologelwa gore molao wa Public legolo ba sa fiwe tshwanelo e? Service Act, o ne wa fetisiwa ke Palamente ka 2008, mme wa tsena mo tirisong ka 2010. E ne e le molao A re ye kwa go reng mabaka e ne e le eng ka 2008 fa o o neng o dira dipaakanyo, dingwe e le tse re tswang Palamente e tsaya tshwetso ya gore jaanong badirelapuso kgakala re bua ka tsone mo manifestos tsa rona tsa ba tlaa simolola go duelwa madi a bone otlhe le fa ba ba diphathi tsa Kganetso, DDPs, democracy alerts, emetse ditsheko. Mabaka a e a buang Mr Speaker, ke one Pamphlet No. 1 le dipampiri tse dingwe, re bua gore a re a bayang mo tafoleng re le Umbrella for Democratic public servants ba tshwanetse go letlelelwa to unionise Change (UDC) letsatsi leno gore a lebelelwe fa go kana to join makgotla a babereki ka gore ka nako eo, they lebeletswe prison officers le ba bangwe ba masole le were joining associations. Nngwe ya dipaakanyo tse di mapodise ka Bills tse re setseng re di tsentse. nnileng teng mo godimo ga dipaakanyo tse di neng tsa nna teng Mr Speaker, ke gore go ne ga tsenngwa Section Lebaka la ntlha, presumption of innocence until 35 (3) ya Public Service Act, e ke kopang go e bala Mr proven otherwise. It is a basic principle ya molao gore Speaker. o molato fela fa a competent court of law, a tribunal MR SPEAKER: Go ahead. which was set up, kana a disciplinary committee e e tlaabong e tlhomilwe, e go bone molato. Ke gone fa go MR KEORAPETSE: Ya re, “An employee’s salary ka simololwang gore jaanong go tsewe dikgato teng; shall not be withheld during the period of his or her presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. Ke suspension.” Se molao wa Public Service o se buang lone lebaka le le tonatona le le neng le tlisitse yone ke gore, fa mmereki a lebagantswe molato, a molato o kgang e ka 2008 fa go baakanngwa Public Service Act.

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A re ye kwa lebakeng la bobedi Honourable Speaker. Go a a kwa tlase, jaanong what exacerbates the problem ne go lemotshegile gore matshelo a batho a a senyega. even more ke gone gore e re fa ba santse ba lebisitswe Motho o kgona go lebagana le tsheko, e ka nna gongwe melato, go bo gotwe nnyaa, mme ka gore re le lebisitse e e lebaganyeng le ba sepodise, DCEC kana any other melato, re kgaola madi a lona, ga le na go duelwa madi law enforcing agency. Re na le problem ya backlog of a a feletseng. cases mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Motho o kgona go tsaya five years a ntse a seka. O tlaabo o seka, o setla Mr Speaker, tota Molao-kakanyetso o o tlhamaletse, ke tsela ya court wena o le mo half salary, allowances tsa tsaya gore ba ba neng ba ipapatsa ba re ba emetse botlhe, gago di emisitswe. Go diragala eng? You committed e bile ba emetse botlhe le makgotla a itshireletso, letsatsi salary go duela ntlo, koloi, bana ba tsena kwa private leno tshono ke e ya gore ba itshupe gore ba emetse schools ka gore o ne o tshaba thuto le maduo a a babereki ba prisons officials le badirelapuso ba bangwe welang kwa tlase mo dikoleng tsa ga Goromente. Se se e leng masole le mapodise ba ba nang le mathata a go diragalang ke gore, fa o santse o emetse tsheko, salary lebisiwa melato. ya gago e a kgaolwa, o palelwa ke go duela sekole sa Mr Speaker, there has been a reasoning ya gore bana, koloi, ntlo le insurances, ba masika a gago ba a disciplined forces should be held to the highest standard tlhokafala, o palelwa ke go ba fitlha. Koloi le ntlo di a ya discipline. Batho ba ba buang kgang e, segolo tsewa, bana ba sala ba le mo legoeleleng, malwapa a jang gongwe e le ba party e e busang, ke gore, it is a bo a thubega Mr Speaker ka lebaka lone leo. E bo e re very hypocritical statement fa o lebelela gore in the letsatsi le o lebaganang le moatlhodi kwa Kgotlakgolo past jaaka ke supile, how can you hold a junior wa a ya Ditsheko, a bo a go raya a re ga o molato. Fela fa Constable kwa prisons? Can you hold him or her to a a go raya jalo, fa o tshwanetse go itumelela gore ga o higher standard, gona le a Permanent Secretary to the molato, o tlala le bohutsana jo bo feteletseng jwa gore President? Can you hold him or her to a high moral lelwapa le thubegile, koloi le ntlo di tsamaile, bana ba or whatever standard go feta the Judge of the High na le five years ba tsena in a public school, o ne o ka bo Court or a Cabinet Minister? Ke kile ka botsa potso mo o ba dueleletse kwa sekoleng se se siameng. Palamenteng, ke bolelelwa gore there are about eight Ministers ba ba kileng ba tlhotlhomisetswa dikgang Sone se Palamente ya se lemoga ka badirelapuso, tsa tshenyetso-setšhaba. Re a itse gore ba bangwe ba jaanong party ya UDC letsatsi leno ya re, a Palamente kile e le gore maphakela motho ke accused number e e lemoge se mo badisamagolegweng. Pele ga ke tla one kwa court, maitseboa ke Honourable Member, kwano jaana, ke ne ke santse ke amogela molaetsa, mme o araba dipotso and present Government papers mo o ne o sa tswe mo go a prison official, o ne o tswa mo the Palamenteng a le on full salary. A le raya gore gone husband kana the spouse wa motho yoo, a bua gore, “nna mo, le ka tsaya a Constable wa kwa prisons and hold ga ke re ba re, mosadi wa me o sala a nna in indictment, him or her to a much higher standard than a Minister, ke gore re mo mathateng a a gakgamatsang. Molao- a Member of Parliament, a Judge, or a Permanent kakanyetso o o tlile ka nako, e bile se re se rapelang ke Secretary to the President? Ga ke dumalane ka lebaka gore, ba party e e busang ba tlaa le reetsa, ga ba ka ke ba lone le. Ke dumela gore bagaetsho, a ko re nneng lebole, ikgantsha ka dipalo fela ba bo ba le ragela kwa ntle ba re lebe batho ba ka leitlho la pelotlhomogi, re ba ntsheng sa ntshe mabaka.” Mabaka a teng a a a ntlhaloseditseng, mo mathateng a ba leng mo go one. Ke a leboga Mr a ke sa batleng go a tsotsonka mo Palamenteng. Mathata Speaker and I move. ke one ao Mr Speaker ka kgang yone e. MR SPEAKER: The floor is open for debate. Bagaetsho, mabaka a rona ke one a a gore, already Mr Speaker, go na le mathata a the conditions of service MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND a prisons officials, a letlhoko la boroko le dituelo tsa SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa bone di santse di le kwa tlase. Fa o lebelela makalana Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. otlhe a itshireletso, ke bone tota ba ba in the lowest HONOURABLE MEMBER: … (Inaudible)… stratum ya fa o lebeletse dikatso tsa bone. Gompieno fa o lebelela the most senior, yo e leng the Commissioner, MR MMUSI: Wena …(Laughter!)… Kana mme ke ke dumela gore he is packed at FO. Fa o lebelela gap ne ke go laleditse kwa ofising gore re tle go bua, go ya gagwe le yo o mo latelang, e kwa tlase fela thata. bo go gana wena go tla go bua gakere. Jaanong ke Mr Speaker, mo godimo ga mathata a mabaka a pereko wena yo o tlileng go tlhobogiwa ke batho. Motsamaisa

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Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, mma ke tlhalose gore kana MR SPEAKER: You are correct, proceed Honourable tiro e ya batshegetsa-molao, ke go sireletsa le go thusa Mmusi. setšhaba. Ka jalo, go botlhokwa gore ba dire tiro ya bone ka kelotlhoko le manontlhotlho a a kwa godimo. MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke re Boitshwaro jwa bone mo setšhabeng, e nne jo bo kwa prison officers as members of the disciplined service, godimo. Re a itse batshegetsa-molao ke batho ba e leng law enforcement officers are expected to abide by strict gore they abide by the law at all times. Go botlhokwa disciplinary code of conduct and ethics hence their re itse gore ba dire tsa tshegetso-molao. Fa ba firwa, ba treatment and conditions. It is therefore necessary to a tlholwa. They go through a serious rigorous vetting have laws that enforce strict adherence to disciplinary process. Nako le nako ba tsena training e e kwa godimo, code of conduct, which is critical in the maintenance of e e ba supegetsang gore ba tshwanetse ba bereke jang. good order and discipline within the service. Ba tlhamalale, ba theogele dioura tse di ntseng jang, e Section 52 of the Prisons Act addresses act of deviation bo ba ikanisiwa. Ke bangwe ba batho ba ba ikanisiwang from the disciplinary code of conduct and therefore, it is fa ba tsena mo tirong ya bone. Re a itse gore batho ba, important that it is punitive enough to deter officers from ba apara uniform on a day-to-day basis fa ba le mo deviation. Therefore, deleting Sub-Section 2 will defeat tirong gore ba nne ka seriti se se ka godimo. Ba laolwa the purpose of this law. It is also important to retain Sub- ke seriti. Section 3 because it provides for the reimbursement Pego e re tswang go e bewa pele ke mokaulengwe, of the portion that was withheld during the period of Honourable Keorapetse, ke batla go tlhalosetsa Ntlo e interdiction. Should the officer be acquitted, it further gore ka August 2017, Honourable Keorapetse tabled accords the Commissioner of prisons authority to a similar Motion wa a Private Members Bill. O ne a decide what portion to reimburse should the officer be tlhalosediwa sengwe le sengwe. Botswana Prison dismissed or convicted. Circumstances that may lead or result in prison officer being interdicted are; after a Service was created by an Act of Parliament, Section charge has been laid against him or her, a charge is only 5 of the Prison Act Chapter 21:03 of the Laws of laid after due investigation has been carried out and Botswana. It is a disciplined organisation subject to the when there is enough evidence to prosecute. It is also code of conduct under Section 46 of the Act and it is justified that a portion of the officer’s salary be withheld also defined as a disciplined service by Section 19 of the during interdiction, since such an officer will not be Constitution of Botswana. Prison officers as members discharging the full duties and responsibilities. of disciplined service and law enforcement officers… Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, the (MR SALESHANDO) LEADER OF THE Commissioner, in ensuring that he expresses his power OPPOSITION: On a point of order. Ke go gakolola fairly and reasonably, considers the officer’s take-home Mopalamente fela gore ga a ka ke a simolola ka Setswana pay to determine the portion. That was basically what a e goga nako e a e gogileng ka yone, a bo a fetolela kwa was said by Honourable Member of Parliament that if Sekgoeng a iketla mo go sone. O tshwanetse a tlhophe your salary is taken from you, they always sit around the ka fa melao ya Palamente e ntseng ka teng gore a o tsaya table to determine what is your take-home, what are your Setswana kana Sekgoa, a bo a nna mo go se a se tsereng. expenses and what are your overheads. All these things are taken into consideration by the Commissioner. Ga MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmusi, choose the go tsewe fela. They take into serious consideration all language that you want to use. these things that you are not affected at home but the MR MMUSI: Honourable Keorapetse le ene o ne a bua discipline part is enforced. languages tse pedi Mr Speaker. MR SALESHANDO: Ke kopa tlhaloso. Motlotlegi MR KEORAPETSE: On a point of procedure. Ke ne Dithapelo Keorapetse fa a bua, ke tlhaloganya ka fa o ke re kana fa ke simolola, ke rile the memorandum o tlhalosang boikarabelo jwa the prison warders ka teng kwadilwe ka Sekgoa, ke bo ke kopa mo go wena gore mme o rile o bo bapise le ba bangwe. Judges tsa High ke ka o nopola ka Sekgoa, mme fa ke tswa foo, ke bo Court le tsone are trained. Go na le training gore o ye ke ya kwa Setswaneng ka gore ke the language that I go nna Judge, o tshwanetse o nne le qualification. Le chose. Jaanong ene o batla go e baya o kare ke ne ke bone ba apara uniform. Ke gore mabaka otlhe a o neng dule mo tseleng. o a ntsha; le bone ba a ikana, ba tshwanetse to abide le

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molao ka dinako tsotlhe. A wa re motho yo o katang teme, le fa e le gore tota se a se balang ke molao, fa a magolegwa, boikarabelo jwa gagwe bo feta jwa the tshwanetse gore a o bale ka Sekgoa jaaka o kwadilwe, go Judges? Ene ga a ka ke a letlelelwa gore jaaka Judge e bo gotwe nnyaa, o bua Sekgoa, ga se gone Mr Speaker. tsaya salary, ene a e bone. O tlaa intshwarela fa ke go tseetse nako yotlhe. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Leader of the House, I gave him the permission. Kana o ne a re o kopa go MR MMUSI: Tanki rraetsho. Sir, I agree with you that tlhalosa potso ya ga Honourable Greef ka Setswana. I the Judges le bone ba a ikana, mme kana bone they are have allowed him to do that. Go ahead Minister. not a disciplined force, prisoners are a disciplined force, MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Speaker. Honourable that is what we must understand. That is the difference, Greef, ke ne ke re rraetsho fa motho, let us say gongwe a melao ya bone e farologane gone foo. Jaanong ke re, ne a amogela P5 000, go bo go nna le interdiction or go interdicting an officer on reduced or no pay is a practice fitlhelwa goretake home ya gagwe ke P2 500, go nniwa in prison services across the world. We know that even fa fatshe. Commissioner sits and assess dikgang tse. Go in the region and countries tse di tshwanang le Zambia, na le komiti e e lebelelang ga se gore go gobelelwa fela Kenya, Namibia le mafatshe a re bapileng le one, dilo rraetsho. Ke tsaya gore ke go arabile mongwame. tse tsotlhe di a dirwa. MR MMOLOTSI: Clarification. Thank you very much MR GREEFF: On a point of clarification. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke re Tona o e tlhatswe thata gone Minister, ke batla go go utlwa sentle ka gore fa ke batla foo gore, is it a given gore kopo ya ga mokaulengwe go go ema nokeng, ke bo ke tlhaloganya. Ke batla o yo a bong a seegetswe fa tlhoko (suspended) e tlaa ntlhalosetse gore when an officer has committed salary amogelesega kgotsa go tswa mo komiting eo le ya gagwe ka 80 per cent, and he or she is interdicted, o Commissioner gore a ba gana kana ba a dumela? I just fiwa half salary, le mo thusa jang lona le le ba prison? want it to be very clear gore is it always favorable? Fa a na le dikoloto, a duela ka salary ya gagwe, a tsenya MR MMUSI: Ga go ka ke ga diragala gore fa a sena bana ba gagwe kwa dikoleng tsa private ka yone and madi a a ka jang ka one a tsewe otlhe, go tlaa lebelelwa interdicted, go fitlhelwa madi a salary a le mannye go and then assess conditions. Ga go ka ke ga tsewa mo thusa dilo tse, le mo thusa jang? madi mo a ka nnang fela ka tshotlego, a sena dijo kwa MR MMUSI: Thank you Member of Parliament. Ke lelwapeng le a go tlhokomela bana. Thank you Mr tlaa leka gore ke bue ka Setswana ka o ne a mpotsa Speaker. ka Setswana Mr Speaker. Ke kopa go e tlhalosa ka HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Setswana. MR MMUSI: Rra! HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR SPEAKER: Go ahead. MR MMUSI: …(Laughter!)…Tanki rraetsho. Ke batla MR MMUSI: Thank you. go boela mo preamble ya me Mr Speaker, e ke neng ke LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): e buile ka Setswana, ke re fa o apere uniform, you lose Procedure. Mr Speaker, ke tsaya gore ga re ka ke ra a lot of your constitutional rights, di a tsamaya fa o le in ntsha Mapalamente magolegwa a teme, re ne re sa the disciplined force. Your right of association, freedom tswa go bua le Mr Speaker mo caucus ka fa gongwe of speech, expression, privacy le freedom of movement dintlha dingwe di nnang that aka teng. Kana dikgang tse di a tsamaya. Re a itse gore ba disciplined forces, ga Tona a neng a di bua, ka ke molao o o kwadilweng ka e ka ke ya re a tšhaisa gompieno ka 5:30 p.m, a bo a Sekgoa, o ne a bala jaaka go kwadilwe. Ga se mo re ka emelela a ya kwa Francistown, o tshwanetse go ikopa, a mo tsubelang mafoko mo ganong gore a se ka a dirisa tsamaye ka fa tsamaisong a ikopile. Fa o le on duty, ga Sekgoa. Batho ba bangwe ba bua Sekgoa le Setswana, o ka ke wa tsamaya fela go le weekend. Go baya melao le fa ba etla ba latlhela fale le fale, ba sa bue paragraph e e ntseng jaana, e e tsamaisang tsamaiso ya Acts tse, ke yotlhe ka Sekgoa, mme fa o tla o edit fela, o leba kgang gone to make sure gore batho will abide by the law, ga yotlhe e a e buileng, o fitlhela e le Sekgoa se sentsi mo teng moo. Fa e le gore re ka simolola tsamaiso ya go ba dire fela. golega Mapalamente gore jaanong fa a simolotse go bua Jaanong tota…

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR SALESHANDO): Procedure. Ke tsaya gore procedure MR MMUSI: Ke mang? ke ka e dirisa go supa gore sengwe se se builweng ga se HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. sone. Kana Tona a re, go a lebelelwa gore go bokete go MR MMUSI: Monna gakere o tlaa bua? le kae mo go wena o bo o kgaolelwa, go lebeletswe gore o sala ka bokae. Section 52 (2). Ke kopa go go e balela MR LUCAS: Clarification. Thank you very much. ka gore ga e bue se Tona a se buang... Rre Mmusi kana Honourable Keorapetse o ne a buile ka principle ya molao e gotweng presumption of MR SPEAKER: Go ahead. innocence, innocent until proven guilty e e lebegang e MR SALESHANDO: Ya re, “a prison officer interdicted ama (apply) mo bathong botlhe. A mme principle eo wa under Sub-Section 1 shall receive during the period of itse? O e ntsha jang mo go ba ba berekelang lephata la his interdiction such portion of his salary being not less dikgolegelo? Thank you. than one half as the appointing authority shall in each MR MMUSI: Thank you sir. Ke a e itse. Jaaka ke buile, case determine.” Go na le fa o kgaolelwang teng. Ga go kana fa o tsena mo tirong ya prisons, sepodise kana ya ka ke ga tliwa fela go bo gotwe nnyaa, re go kgaolela sesole, o beelwa melao e o yang go bereka ka yone. Go 70, go setse 2 per cent kana eng, go setse go na le sekale na le melao e o e ikanelang. O a bo o ikanne gore ke ya se se beilweng. go bereka jaana, ke ya go sala ditsamaiso tse di ntseng jaana morago. Ke tsone tseo. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)…

MR TSOGWANE: Elucidation. Ke batla to elucidate MR SALESHANDO: Ee, gore ga o ka ke wa tsaya jaana Mr Speaker, kana innocence until proven guilty, more than half. In other words, fa o amogela P10 000, ga ke itse gore gatwe fa e kgorelediwa ke eng ka gore ga o ka ke wa amogela more than P5 000. Ke se e se ga gotwe motho o atlhotswe e bile dituelo tsa gagwe buang. Jaanong Rre Mmusi o e baya e kete okay, o di eme. Go tlilwe ka fa ditsamaisong tsa tiro ya gagwe amogela P10 000, P5 000 o ka go tsenya mo mathateng, le mabaka a a tlamang mo tirong ya gagwe, go tsewe mma re go beye fa go P7 000. Ga go a nna jalo. bontlha bongwe jwa tuelo ya gagwe. Ga gotwe a tseelwe MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, mme Honourable Leader of dituelo tsotlhe. Jaanong o a bo a sa bonwa molato. Tona the Opposition, ga se procedure. Why did you not ask o tlhalosa sentle gore go lebelelwa mabaka le gore a him to just reconcile? mme kgang e a e tshwereng, e bokete go le kae. Go lebelelwa mabaka. Ke dilo tse di tsamaisiwang ke ba HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)… ba lebeletseng tiro eo. Tiro eo ga e tshwane le ditiro tse dingwe. Jaaka o bona gompieno mo Public Service Act, MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmusi go ahead. re na le bothata jwa tiro ya barutabana mo teng ka gore ba tsene kwa tlase ga molao o le mongwefela wa Public MR MMUSI: Thank you. Service Act, tiro ya bone e na le mabaka mangwe a a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)… faphegileng, a a rileng, a a ba tlamang. Ke ne ke re o tlhalose foo rraetsho, ga se gore motho yoo o bonwe MR MORWAENG: Clarification. Thank you.Ke ne ke molato ka gore ga a emisetswa salary. Go tlilwe go re Honourable Mmusi, ke botse gore… tsewa bontlha bongwe jwa teng. E bile o bo o tlhalose gore fa a ya go fenya tsheko, go diragala jang ka madi HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. a a neng a tsewa. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmolotsi procedure. MR MMUSI: Tanki Leader of the House. Nnyaa, ke nnete rraetsho, o e tshwere sentle ka gore ke ne MR MMOLOTSI: Procedure. Nnyaa, Mr Speaker, I ke buile gore fa motho yoo a tseelwa, o tlaa tseelwa think Honourable Morwaeng go tlaa re a emele gore bontlha bongwe e bile go tlaa lebelelwa gore o sala Honourable Mmusi a eme ka dinao, ke gone a bo a kopa ka bokae. Jaaka ke buile Section 52 (3) ke yone e fang clarification. Jaanong o kopa mo go mang? Commissioner dithata gore fa motho yoo a sa bonwa HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)… molato, o ka busediwa madi a gagwe bontlha bongwe jwa one kana otlhe fela, go tlaabo go ntse go lebeletswe MR SPEAKER: Actually, ke ne ke re ka re Honourable gone foo... Mmusi. You are quite right Honourable Mmolotsi. Ke

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ne ke re kana clarification, elucidation le correction, Intelligence and Security (DIS), a ba tsena mo category are in the nature of the Member standing and speaking. ya disciplined forces? Ke potso ya ntlha. Sabobedi ke Jaanong o ne a le half way e kete o batla go nna fa fatshe gore a bone fa ba le mo interdiction ba tsaya full salary gape a eme ka dinao. Ke ne ke ke kopa gore when you kana ba tsaya a portion of their salary? yield for tsala ya gago… MR MMUSI: Honourable Keorapetse, unfortunately HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga ga a ema ka dinao. DIS falls under Office of the President, ga e wele ka kwa go nna. Jaanong ga ke itse melao ya bone gore ba MR SPEAKER: ...a bo a emelela… bereka jang. E o e nneetseng e ke e ke itseng gore e HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a bua o ntse fa fatshe, tsamaisiwa jang, go diragala eng teng. I thank you. ga a ema ka dinao. Mr Speaker, therefore deleting Section 52 (2) and (3) MR SPEAKER: Clarification Honourable Morwaeng. of the Prison’s Act will compromise good order and A re tsweleleng ka gore re setse re ntse re… discipline in the prison service. For this reason Mr Speaker, the Private Member’s Bill No. 26 of 2019 MR MORWAENG: Clarification. Ke a leboga. Ke ne is not supported by myself. I have previously invited ke re Honourable Mmusi, o re tlhalosetse gore, batho Honourable Keorapetse for a meeting to engage on ba ba hirwang kwa bodireding jwa dikgolegelo, a fa ba this issue and I still maintain that the invitation is open tsena kwa, ga ba tlhalosediwe melawana ya gore tiro Honourable Keorapetse. I thank you Mr Speaker. e rra e o tsenang mo go yone, e tlhoka se, le se, le se? HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne o mo laleditse Conditions tse tsotlhe, a ga ba tlhalosediwe? leng? MR MMUSI: Thank you Honourable Morwaeng. MR KEORAPETSE: Procedure Mr Speaker. Kana ke Rraetsho, ke nnete batho ba a tlhalosediwa. Jaaka ke utlwa Honourable Mmusi a re o kile a ntaletsa, ga ke bua, kana go na le Act e e tsamaisang, e le bone ba e ise ke bone taletso ya teng. Lekwalo la teng o ne o le itseng gore go diriwa eng, tsamaiso ke eng, mme fela ke isitse kae? re, Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente... MR MMUSI: Ao rraetsho, le wena tota ai! HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. ...(Laughter!)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmusi, ema pele, ga MR MMUSI: Therefore... ke a utlwa gore gatwe procedure ke ya eng. Ke tsaya gore o ne a sa reye wena o ne a botsa nna kwano. He HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. should be addressing the Speaker. Procedure ke ya eng Honourable Keorapetse? HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. MR KEORAPETSE: No, procedure e ne e le gore ga MR MMUSI: Nnyaa, iketleng pele. ke a bona lekwalo la taletso e a neng a e bua. Ke ne ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, nna ga o ise o re, o ne a re o ntaleditse gore ke kopane le ene. Jaanong ko o mphe. ke ne ke re ga ke a bona lekwalo la teng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke the mover gakere MR SPEAKER: Le tlaa tla. nna. MR MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): Ke MR MMUSI: Nako e tšhaile rraetsho, mma ke fetse, a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke re gongwe ke tseye nako e o tlaa tla o emelela. O ya go fiwa nako ya debate. ke eme nokeng Tshutiso e, ke e eme nokeng fela ka Therefore, deleting... tlhamalalo, ka lebaka la gore ke dumela in the principle e Goromente wa lefatshe la Botswana le wa mafatshe a HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso. mangwe, ba dumelang mo go yone ya salary protection. Gore salary ya mmereki e tshwanelwa ke go sirelediwa MR MMUSI: Okay. ka nako tsotlhe, ka lebaka la gore principle e e bakiwa MR KEORAPETSE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. ke gore, go a itsiwe gore fa motho a duelwa madi kgotsa Honourable Mmusi, ke botsa gore ba Directorate of salary ya go nna jaana, sengwe le sengwe se a se dirang,

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commitment nngwe le nngwe e a e dirang, o e dira a MR MMOLOTSI: O etle o neele mang wena? O lebile gore madi a a amogelang ke bokae. Re iphitlhela etle o neele motho? Akere o itirile star se e leng gore mo lefatsheng la rona re le setšhaba se dituelo tsa rona di ke…, tla ke tswelele o ntiela nako. Ga ke dumalane le leng kwa tlase, mme fa di le kwa tlase jaana, go bokete Honourable Mmusi ka yone thulaganyo ya gore ke ene thata go tshela, o bo o fitlhela e le gore jaanongsalaries Goromente yo o dumelang mo protection ya salaries, e tsa rona, are committed mo o fitlhelang ba bangwe ba bile Goromente ene yo, ke ene yo e reng when a person sala ka madinyana fela a e seng a sepe. is demoted ba re salary e tshwanelwa ke gore e se ka ya ba ya amiwa. Ke dumela gore fa Goromente a dumalana le thulaganyo e ya salary protection, o ne a lebile tsone dilo tseo, ke Second one ke e e neng e buiwa ke Rre Taolo Lucas gore sone se o bonang when a person is demoted, o nna mo molaong wa rona gatwe ga o molato go fitlhelela o demoted ka badges mme salary e bo e sala e le gone fa e bonwa molato. Kana fa o simolola o punish motho ka neng e ntse e le teng ka gore go a bo go itsiwe gore batho go mo tseela salary, o kare jaanong o setse o mmone commit dituelo tsa bone, ba lebile gore ba amogela madi molato. Go raya gore o a mo punish gone foo, mme a a a kae. Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke dumela gore, seemo santse a emetse go seka. Jaanong tumelo ya me ke gone sone se sa budgeting, e e ntseng jalo, ga se diragale mo gore motho yo kana o tshwanelwa ke go mo emela, public service le private sector fela. Se diragala mo o mmone molato, o bo o mo punish mo go lekaneng. mapodiseng, mo bathong ba prisons le ba Botswana Jaanong ke ipotsa gore ke eng o itlhaganelela to punish Defence Force (BDF) and therefore to imagine gore mme o mo punish punishment e e yang go dira gore jaanong ka gore yo ke wa prisons, go raya gore ene ga a botshelo jwa gagwe bo se ka jwa tlhola bo boela kwa commit salary ya gagwe, ka tsela e e leng gore badiredi bo neng bo le teng, go ne go na le gore o ka dira dilo tse ba bangwe ba ga Goromente kana ba private sector ba dingwe tse di pharologanyo. commit salaries ka yone, go a mpalela. Molao wa rona fa o rialo o re motho ga a molato go Gape ke ipotsa gore, ka gore kwa prisons go na le fitlhelela a bonwa molato, ke dumela gore le Goromente punishment fela tse dintsi tse di ka dirwang, ke eng re wa Domkrag o tshwanelwa ke go itse gore ke molao tsena mo thulaganyong ya punishment e e leng gore ga o o dirilweng ke Palamente yone e, o o tshwanelwang e na go ama motho wa prisons yoo a le nosi. E ya go ke go obamelwa, mme e bile molao o o tshwanetse go ama lelwapa la gagwe le thuto ya bana ba gagwe. It may nna mogolwane mo melawaneng epe e e kwa tlase e even affect le lelwapa ka bolone, le bo le thubega. E e ka dirwang ke maphata kana ke bangwe. Ka tsela e bo e le gore morago ga kgang e tsena, motho yo a sa e ntseng jalo, ke ne ke re tota re a bona gore batho ba tlhole a bonwa molato, gotwe nnyaa o ne a se molato ba mo disciplined forces ba, jaaka masole le mapodise, gotlhelele, spouse sa gagwe ga sena go mmoela; motho thulaganyo e le ntseng le e setse morago, e felela e dira fa a setse a sa bonwa molato, commitments tsotlhe tse a gore ba nne insolvent, mme kana ke ene Goromente ene neng a ntse a na le tsone, matlo a gagwe a a tsamaileng, yo gape yo o reng fa motho a le insolvent, ga a tshwanela dikoloi tsa gagwe tse di tsamaileng, prisons ga e kake ya gore a tswelele ka go bereka. di mmusetsa ya di mo neela, mme e le yone e e bakileng gore a latlhegelwe ke dilo tsone tseo. Honourable Molale will tell you gore, insolvency in the public service e ka baka gore o kojwe mo tirong Ke sone se e leng gore nna ga ke itse gore ka gore like ka lebaka la gore you are insolvent. Jaanong ka tsela I said, go na le ditsela tse dintsi tse punishment e ka e e ntseng jalo, fa e le gore ke mohiri, yo o dirang gore dirwang mo mmereking ka tsone, ke eng re batla go motho a nne insolvent, e bo e le gore motho fa a nna tsena mo punishment ya gore motho a tseelwe madi. insolvent o kojwa mo tirong gape, a mme re bona re Jaanong I support Honourable Keorapetse ke lebile... tshwere molao o sentle bagaetsho? Ke dumela gore golo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso. mo re tlaabo re sa tshwara kgang e sentle, ke sone se ke dumalanang le Honourable Dithapelo Keorapetse MR MMOLOTSI: O tlaa tla o debate comrade. Ke gore jaaka re itse gore the Public Service Act of 2008 e lebile yone tsamaiso ya gore salary ya motho... ne ya baakanya golo mo in the entire public service, ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tlhola o tlhodia fa o dumela gore e ya madi e, tota re tshwanelwa ke gore re batla tlhaloso. e atolosetse to prisons, masole le mapodise.

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MR KEORAPETSE: Clarification. Ke ne ke re o Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke ne ke kopa gore Palamente araba jang Honourable Mmusi fa a bua gore fa molao o e bagaetsho kwa bofelong, e dumalane gore jaaka o ka dumalanwa ke Palamente, it will compromise good Honourable Dithapelo Keorapetse a bua, re baakanye order in the prisons service? molao o gore ba Prisons ba kgone go siamelwa fela jaaka badirelapuso ba bangwe re ne ra baakanya MR MMOLOTSI: Ee, ke ne ka utlwa Honourable Public Service Act ka 2008, ba siamelwa ke tsamaiso Mmusi a rialo, mme ke tsaya gore gone moo, gongwe le e, mme gompieno go na le maduo e bile ba itumeletse ene o ne a bua phoso fela ka gore there is no way e o ka reng it can compromise good order ka teng. In fact, what thulaganyo e e ntseng jalo. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. we are doing currently ke gone mo ga ka compromise good order ka lebaka la gore you can imagine mmereki MR KAPINGA (OKAVANGO): Ke a leboga Mr yo salary ya gagwe e kgaotsweng, o diragalelwa ke Speaker. Gore o tlhaloganye ka fa re ka lebang kgang e eng fela mo go ene? So, ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke ka kwa ga Ntlo e le ka kwano, ke gore o bo o ikgakolola dumela gore Honourable Mmusi, tota e re ntswa le le tse di tleng di buiwe ke bomaitsaanape ba Puso gore batho ba ba tumileng thata ka go ganetsa dilo tse di sa babereki ba ba tshwanang le mapodise, majelekate (jail tshwanelwang ke go ganetswa, mo go e le ne le ka nna guard) le masole, babusi ba ba leba e le eng. Ke ne ke pharologanyo, la boa la nna le kutlwelobotlhoko ya tsena le rre mongwe o ne a bidiwa Temba Joina. Ke gore re hirile bana ba ba berekang ditiro tse di bokete, ne ke le lepodise nako ya teng. O ne a bua gore babusi ba tlhola ba disitse batho ba bangwe e leng dirukutlhi tsa ba lebelela mapodise e le instruments of oppression; maemo a a gakgamatsang. Mme e bo e le gore motho wa didirisiwa tse ba di dirisang go gatelela ba ba batlang mofuta o fa a ka dira phoso, o felela a le mo seemong go ba gatelela. Le fa o lebelela mabaka a tiro a re buang se e leng gore se reverse botshelo jwa gagwe jo a bo ka one gompieno, ke a a ka bewang mo tafoleng ke bereketseng dingwaga tsotlhe tsa botshelo jo a neng a batho ba e reng ba lebelela majelekate, mapodise le bereka. I do not think gore we are considerate. If we are masole ba bo ba ba bona e le tools tse ba di dirisang. considerate enough, re tshwanelwa ke go lemoga gore, Fa o tshwantshanya badisamagolegwa ba ba kileng ba gore motho a bereke, o simolola a kgobokanya dilo tse e bo ba bidiwa majelekate le mapodise, o bona gore e leng gore that decision ya go mo kgaolela madi e kgona bile bone ba worse ka gore mo Prisons Act, ga go na to reverse sengwe le sengwe se a se dirileng botshelo where suspension is provided. Fa o ya kwa Police Act, jwa gagwe jotlhe. Jaanong ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke there is provision for suspension ya three months e mo sone se ke reng I am appealing to you le le ba party e e dikgweding tseo fa o santse o le mo suspension, you busang, ba le tleng fa gongwe le nne le re le na le dipalo are entitled to earn 100 per cent of your salary, mme tse dintsi tse le ka ganang Ditshutiso ka tsone gore in kwa Prisons ga e yo. Gore ke le bolelele gore go tlile this particular case, re bua ka botshelo jwa motho le jang, ke fa e santse e le nna mogakolodi wa sepodise diemo tse bangwe ba batho ba, matshelo a bone a ne a sa Botswana. Gore re tswe kwa interdiction ya 100 per felela completely. Bangwe ba bone committed suicide cent re bo re tsenya suspension e e letlelelang 100 per as a result of this, ba re ba itseng, ba re ka ntshang cent salary in three months, I was at the centre of that maina a bone fa Honourable Mmusi a ne a ka a batla process of reforming our law gore e respect ditshwanelo kwa thoko. Re ne re ka mmolelela batho ba ba neng le mabaka a tiro a mapodise. The same can be extended ba tsaya ditshwetso tsa to commit suicide as a result to the Prisons Department gore instead of providing only of dikgang tse re buang ka ga tsone. Ke sone se ke le for interdiction at 50 per cent, fa e le gore go a pala for kopang bagaetsho gore tota re lekeng go baakanyetsa us to recognise gore modisamagolegwa responsibility ba Prisons. Mme e bile ka gore tsa Police le Botswana ya gagwe le fa e le kalo, ga e ka ke ya feta ya moatlhodi Defence Force (BDF) le tsone di e tla, kopo ya me ke yo e leng gore he presides over a mega corruption trial. gore a re dumalaneng le melao e ka maikaelelo a gore Responsibility ya modisamagolegwa yo o tlhokomelang re batla go baakanya dilo tse di senyegileng, le tse batho legolegwa within the prison walls ga e ka ke ya feta ya ba ba tswang kgakala ba ngongorega ka tsone. Ke ipotsa moatlhodi, prosecutor le lepodise le le neetsweng even gore Honourable Mmusi go riana o dumela gore ba a better conditions tsa gore in the first three months a rata gore go bo go ntse jaana? O dumela jalo? Ga go kgone go amogela their full salary. na ope yo o ratang gore go bo go ntse jaana. Jaanong jaaka re baakanya conditions of service tsa babereki, a Ramapodise a Prisons, ga ke itse gore ke ka mmitsa ke re lekeng go nna re bona tse di sa siamang gotlhelele. E reng, o ne a bidiwa Hermen Kau, o ne a re o a itse gore ke nngwe ya tsone. Goromente yo… I was a Commissioner for Salaries

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Review Commission at that time, a re, “Goromente yo fa re tshwanetseng gore re kgone go bona gore the e a re a re leba, a re tshwantshanye fela le magolegwa a current provision ya gore fa modirelapuso wa modisa re a disang…” magolegwa a dirile molato, re mo seemong jaanong ka ntlha ya kitso ya rona le maitemogelo a re nang le one, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)... a re fetileng ka one, le dikai tse di ntshitsweng tsa gore MR KAPINGA: …“ka gore re berekela inside, badirelapuso ba bangwe ba e seng ba uniform, ba kgona within the prison walls. Goromente ga a kgone go re go bona salaries tsa bone tse di tletseng. In the light farologanya le magolegwa a re a disang.” This kind of of this enlightenment, ga go na sepe se se palang gore provision reflects that mentality wa gore Goromente ga the same provision can be extended to a prisons officer, a kgone go farologanya modisamagolegwa le legolegwa just as modirelapuso who falls under the Public Service ka gore botlhe ba spend nako e ntsi ba le ka fa teng Act. Selo se gotweng reform bagaetsho is a continuous ga makotswana a kgolegelo. Re batla go le gakolola process e o tshwanetseng to respond to it. Fa dilo di ntse bagaetsho gore badisamagolegwa ga se magolegwa, ke di senoga le mabaka a ntse a fetoga fa pele ga gago, ga badisamagolegwa, babereki ba Puso jaaka babereki ba o a tshwanela go gagamala fela o re, ba ke disciplined bangwe. officers. Of course, they are disciplined officers. Of course, they have a special duty fa o bona ba apere HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR uniform jaana, but the same level of duty, uprightness TSOGWANE): Clarification Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga even a higher standard is expected of a Judicial officer, rraetsho ka gore e bile... Public Prosecutor and Magistrate. Ke eng modisa magolegwa, fela fa a dirile phoso kana molato a tseelwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Rona re ipetšheditse, o bontlha bongwe jwa dituelo tsa gagwe, fela ka gore o a... apara uniform?

MR TSOGWANE: Nnyaa, ene o le gaisa lotlhe ka koo. Se sengwe se re tshwanetseng re se lemoge bagaetsho Go bua nnete o le gaisa lotlhe. ke gore, ditsheko tsa malatsi a kana maitemogelo a re nang le one ke gore, ditsheko tse di a diega. Batho ba Jaanong clarification e ke neng ke e kopa Motlotlegi nna dingwaga tse pedi, tharo kana nne a le mo go yone Rre Kapinga ke gore… mme e bile o tlile ka sengwe se interdiction eo, mme e se molato wa gagwe gore tsheko se neng se sa tlhagelela mo go yo o neng a baya kgang, e ga e fele. Go diragala eng ka botshelo jwa gagwe yone ya three months suspension motho a kgona go mo dingwageng tseo? Nna ke ne ke re, instead of that tsaya 100 per cent. Fa o lebile bo Commissioner le ba ba individual suffering, instead ya gore dikamogelo tsa neng ba dira dilo tse tsa dituelo jaaka o ne o le mo teng, gagwe di kokonelwe, rather the state should suffer the go ne go pala eng gore le bo le fetotse tsamaiso e jaaka harm or loss, re santse re emetse gore tsheko ya motho e bile le kgonne go fetola up to three months? Tota yo o yo e fele. Rotlhe fela re a itse gore these cases di a tlaabong a gatelela gone foo ke mang? Ke Puso kana ke diega. Ke na le molaetsa fa wa lepodise as an example, ba ba neng ba lebeletse ditshwanelo tseo, e le gape bone who was interdicted ka 2018 for a disciplinary offence, mapodise a matona? le gompieno jaana tsheko ya gagwe ga e ise e fele. O amogela half salary, o na le bana, mme ga se molato MR KAPINGA: Boikarabelo Your Honour, jwa go wa gagwe gore tsheko e e bo e sa fele. Ke dumela gore fetola molao bo mo thateng ya ba ba tshwereng dithata mabaka a le gone kwa prisons a teng. Ga se molato tsa go busa le go tlisa melao mo Palamenteng e. Rona wa babereki, ke molato wa system. Jaanong a re tseye ka fa tlase ga ketelelo ya ga Ramapodise Norman tshwetso ya gore re sireletse the poor individual, gore a Moleboge ka nako eo, tshedimosetso, enlightenment, e se ka a sotlega kana bana ba sotlega ka ntata ya phoso re neng re na le yone ka nako eo, re ne ra bona gore go le system e e sa kgoneng go fetsa cases mo nakong e na le injustice ya gore e re lepodise le dirile phoso kana khutshwane. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa molato, e bo e le gore immediately we place him under Palamente. interdiction at half salary. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… We then proposed to Government gore a seemo se se fetolwe, instead of interdiction, re tsene mo suspension MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND for three months. Now, we are at a stage where we HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR KGAFELA): are even more enlightened than we were before, Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke

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reeditse batlotlegi fa ba ntse ba ngangisana ka kgang Jaanong kana fa re lebelela batlhokomedi ba molao jaaka e. Fela fa ke re ke lebelela melawana e Rre Kapinga mapodise le badisa magolegwa. Badisa magolegwa a ntseng a e bua, o o laolang mapodise le the prison execute court orders and judgments. Fa Moatlhodi a service, ke fitlhela e le gore ke boammaaruri, when a atlholela motho gore a ye kgolegelong, Moatlhodi ga police officer is accused, ka gore lefoko le le dirisiwang a ke a diragatsa (execute) his own judgment, o a laela, mo tsetlaneng e ke “accused.” When he or she is go bo go raya gore somebody in Government must accused, he or she can be suspended for a period not in execute. Jaanong fa gotwe ya kgolegelong, o tsewa ke excess of three months. Gape e ntse e le molao wa Police bone banna le bomme ba. Ke bone ba ba diragatsang Act o, fa o ntse o ya le one, I think ke Section 13 (2) (a), katlholo ya kgotlatshekelo, so seo tota fela se ba baya o a tlhalosa gore, fa a atlhotswe fa pele ga board kana in a position of some authority in society, gore you will kgotlatshekelo, jaanong foo he or she is interdicted. E execute orders of the court. That is why o fitlhela e le bile e re fa a seegetswe fa thoko jalo, o tshwana fela gore… le bone ba sepodise go le gantsi tota fela they le wa prisons, le ene madi a gagwe le one a a tsewa. are seen to be an extension of the court, by executing Jaanong ga o farologane le wa prisons Mr Speaker. Wa the court orders ka gore jaanong ba tseye motho ba prisons fela ke gore one ga o na tsetlana e e dirang le fa mmoledise, ba mo ise kwa a tshwanetseng gore a a santseng a belaelwa. Di farologana teng foo. Go raya ye teng, a ye go golegwa. I think fela it is because of gore tota fela tokafatso e bo Rre Kapinga ba neng ba e this background e e bakang gore e bo o kare ba lejwa dira, e ne e se tokafatso tota. Se e neng ya se dira fela ka leitlho le le bogalenyana. As I have said tota fela, ke gore, e ne ya farologanya both pieces of legislation, there is some sympathy in it. One of my colleagues ka gore o mongwe o fa lepodise a reprieve ya gore here o ne a mpotsa gore, a mme does it not conflict le fa a santse a belaelwa, mme fela once he is charged, Employment Act e e leng gore ya re you cannot deduct interdicted a bo a tseelwa le madi. Jaanong kwa prisons madi mo mothong? Ke bo ke mo tlhalosetsa gore…e rile fa a ntlhaba podi matseba ke bo ke re, tla re lebelele gone ga go na provision ya suspension, yone e bua gore, wa Employment Act, mme re fitlhela e le gore Section when you are charged ka molato, fela jaaka ya prisons 79 ya Employment Act e tlhalosa gore…ke gore e itsa provides, when you are charged you are interdicted, le gore motho o ka tseelwa madi, mmereki fa a hirilwe a wena o bo o tseelwa dithata tse tsa madi a. Ke Section bo a tseelwa madi. Jaanong se tota fela ke neng ka se 52, o tlaa di fitlhela foo Rre Kapingatho se provisions. bontsha my colleague here ke gore, e-e! se o kare tota Fa ke re ke a sekaseka, gone tota fela Motsamaisa defeats what you are saying to me mam. Provision ya Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, to some extent I do sympathise teng e simolola e re, “Notwithstanding this Act or any le kopo e, mme gape while sympathising ke lebelela other law…” mo go rayang gore… gore what is the current regime? Regime ke eng? Fa o lebelela o fitlhela gantsi fa e leng gore you are in a MR BOKO: Clarification Senior Counsel. Thank you position of trust or some responsibility mo setšhabeng, Counsel. Ke batla gore o ntlhalosetse molao ka fa o gantsintsi o fitlhela e le gore fa o dirile molato o lejwa ntseng ka teng gompieno; just the rationale. After that ka leitlho le le hibitswanyana, le le hibidu go feta yo e you will explain to me if the same rationale cannot be leng gore tota ga a na those responsibilities. That is why extended to the Permanent Secretary kwa ofising ya ga go le gantsi le fa re lebelela le molato wa go utswa, fa Tautona, a Judge of the High Court kana a Minister? ngwana a utswile, mme tota fela it is common theft, go le gantsi go tlaa twe, fa a bonwe molato o tlaa atlholwa MR KGAFELA: Ke ne ke santse ke wetsa ka ele ya three years. O tlaa nna liable to imprisonment for three employment ka gore it seems to provide gore you cannot take away deduct from a salary, but fa go na le part of years. Go le gantsi fa e le gore you are in a position the Employment Act that permits that deduction, then of trust kana o le a servant, clerk or a director of a that deduction will then not offend Section 79. company…Rre Boko o a nkutlwa gore ke bua ka eng, o bo o e utswetsa, go le gantsi o fitlhela e le gore because Ke arabe Rre Boko fale; o tshwanetse wa lebelela a of the position in which you are in, o kare o lejwa ka regime, it will manifest itself either in the way in which leitlho le le bogalenyana go feta yo mongwe and that is courts judge and sentence. A regime will manifest why you find that you become liable to imprisonment for itself also in the way in which rona re le Mapalamente a period of seven years, ka lone lebaka la gore you are express ourselves ka go dira melao. 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and they imposed this punishment; an extra additional falls short of a criminal offence, then it cannot offend punishment mo motsading ka gore he is in a position of that provision ya Constitution ka gore e e bua ka a authority. Ba o ba buang ba ke ka go rurifaletsa gore criminal offence. I do accept gore provisions tse tsa dikatlholo tsotlhe tse ke di badileng, di tlaa go bontsha mapodise le prison warders, go na le fa e buang teng batho bao fa ba bonwe molato because fa go tsenwa mo gore if you are charged with a criminal offence, but seeleng, it is the discretion of the judicial officer. Go le then it gives your appointing authority the power gore gantsi ka gore mabaka a gago o motho wa a position a tseye madi mangwe mo go wena mme ga e mo fe the of trust, o fitlhela o atlholwa go feta ba bangwe. For power to then convict you because conviction e dirwa ke instance, wena o le mmueledi jaana sir, o bo o amega kgotlatshekelo. Section 10… e fedile nako batho betsho. mo borukhutlhing mme o dirile molato o o tshwanang le wa ga… let us say Rre Kwape. Wena sir ka gore o MR SPEAKER: Order! Honourable Members, as mmueledi, you are likely to receive a stiffer sentence ka it is now 6:00, the debates on Private Members Bill go tsewa gore visa-vie the law, go solofetswe gore e bo e are adjourned until next week Thursday. We are now le wena o tlhokomelang. So it is the position you occupy, resuming the debates on approval of the Mid-Term visa-vie molato o o lebagantsweng or the position that Review (MTR) of National Development Plan (NDP) you occupy, go lebeletswe gore o tshwanetse o bo o le 11. motlhokomedi wa molao. A Judge for instance, fa a APPROVAL OF THE MID-TERM ka amega mo dilong tse, I can assure you gore fa go REVIEW OF THE NATIONAL tsena mo sentence e fela jaaka o itse motlotlegi gore DEVELOPMENT PLAN 11: 2017/2018 - sentencing is the discretion of the judicial office… 2022/2023 HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. SECTORAL DEBATE MR KGAFELA: …that will get a stiffer penalty, as CHAPTER 7 opposed to for instance, Rre Kwape here… GOVERNANCE, PEACE AND HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Senior SECURITY Counsel (SC). (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… ATTORNEY GENERAL’S CHAMBERS

MR GREEFF: Clarification. Senior Counsel, ga ke MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND batle go go senyetsa nako, ke ne ke batla gore o mphetise SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Mr Speaker, priorities for fa, a o bona go siame gore molao o letlelele motho gore the remaining period of NDP 11 are as follows: o ka otlhaiwa a ise a bonwe molato? CAPACITY BUILDING & HUMAN RESOURCES MR KGAFELA: Ke ne ke re ke tlhatswe kgang ya DEVELOPMENT Senior Counsel, ga ke Senior Counsel, I have never taken letters patent. (i) Restructuring

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… Mr Speaker, The Attorney General’s Chambers (AGC) continues to face the challenges of high MR KGAFELA: Ga ke batle go ikgolega ke amogela attrition rates and staff shortages at senior and SC appellage mme ke sena yone. Senior Counsel ke ya middle management levels in critical areas of batho ba e leng gore they are silk. Ga ke Senior Counsel litigation and drafting, which affects both the bagaetsho. quality and quantity generated by the AGC. Ke ne ke re ke tlhalose gore Molaomotheo wa rona fa o However, efforts are on-going to address these tsena mo Section 10 o a tlhalosa gore if you have charged challenges between the AGC and the Directorate with a criminal offence, you are presumed innocent until of Public Service Management (DPSM). These proven guilty. Mo go raya gore kgotlatshekelo ga e ka include organisational restructuring of the ke ya go atlhola. Kana it has to got to be a criminal chambers with the aim of facilitating a more offence because if you have been charged kwa tirong conducive environment, improving organisational on account of a disciplinary matter mme e le gore it efficiency and for purposes of enhancing the

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conditions of service, thereby enabling efficient Pre-planning has commenced on the refurbishment service delivery across the chambers. of the passenger lifts of the AGC- Head Quaters (HQ) building, and the actual refurbishment is (ii) Establishment of Law Reform Unit expected to commence in the subsequent financial Mr Speaker, following the Cabinet decision to years of the plan. establish a Law Reform Unit under the Legislative DECENTRALISATION OF SERVICES Drafting Division of the Attorney General’s Chambers, the AGC in collaboration with the (i) Take-over of the Prosecutorial Functions from United Nations Development Program (UNDP), the Police established a Law Reform Strategy Reference Group. Consequently, in March 2020, a final Mr Speaker, in order to facilitate quality draft of the Law Reform Strategy was adopted prosecution, the AGC will continue to take-over by the Law Reform Strategy Reference Group. prosecutorial functions from the police during the Implementation of the strategy was expected planning period. This will enable the Botswana to commence in the first quarter of the financial Police Service to concentrate on the delivery of year 2020/2021. However, this was not possible their core mandate of policing. due to the absence of a consultant. The AGC (ii) Establishment of DPP Regional Offices and in collaboration with UNDP is in the process Staff Houses of recruiting a part-time consultant to spear head the implementation of the strategy. To that Mr Speaker, during the remainder of National end, the Terms of References (TORs) for the Development (NDP) 11, it is necessary to complete consultant have been finalised. The establishment the construction of the two ongoing projects, of a Law Reform Unit is essential for the which are Maun and Palapye Directorate of Public realisation of Government’s large and complex Prosecution (DPP) offices and staff houses. law reform projects which underpin the NDP 11 Mr Speaker, the construction tender for the Maun and achievement of Sustainable Development Project has been awarded and construction was Goals (SDGs) and as such, its establishment is a expected to have commenced in quarter one (Q1) Government priority. of the 2020/2021 financial year. However, due to (iii) Development and Implementation of Quality the ongoing pandemic, there has been delays in Management System starting work on site. Mr Speaker, this project seeks to implement a Mr Speaker, the construction of Palapye Offices Quality Management System (QMS) for the and Staff houses is lagging behind as it is still at AGC by 2023. The project will be done in the last stages of the design phase. Despite these phases. QMS is a set of policies, processes and setbacks, I remain hopeful that the two projects procedures required for planning and execution in will be delivered during the last part of NDP 11. the core business area and organisation, including leveraging on ICT. The AGC is developing Mr Speaker, otherwise in view of the shrinking Document Management System and procuring financial resources, the quickest way to establish related equipment as part of implementing the regional offices will be through partnerships with Quality Management System. the private sector, by leasing office accommodation from the market. This strategy is consistent with (iv) Refurbishment of AGC Facilities Government Policy to hive off non-essential functions to the private sector to foster greater Mr Speaker, The Attorney General’s Chambers participation of the sector in the economy. building is not in a good state of repair. The Heating Ventilation & Air Conditioning (HVAC) Mr Speaker, it is worth noting that the Attorney system has not been functioning for many years General’s Chambers (AGCs) continues to now. Despite the COVID-19 induced budget cut, I face numerous challenges. However, there are am hopeful the project will proceed with a view to interventions to try and address such challenges as providing comfort in the office. outlined below:

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(i) Given the less favorable macro-economic climate, of peace, order, rule of law, democracy and good the AGCs has scaled down its plans and has settled governance by administering justice in terms of the laws to establish only one more office in the Western of Botswana. The Judiciary also provides critical checks Region, instead of the two that were planned for and balances on other Arms of Government, being the the second half of NDP 11. Executive and the Legislature.

(ii) In an effort to quicken the delivery of such facility, ACHIEVEMENTS DURING THE FIRST HALF and in line with Government efforts to spur Citizen OF NDP 11 Economic Participation, the office accommodation will be leased from the private sector. Promotion of Access to Justice

(iii) In the spirit of the Thematic Working Group Mr Speaker, in an endeavor to improve judicial services, (TWG), the DPP and the Directorate on Corruption the Judiciary continues to bring justice closer to the and Economic Crime (DCEC) have collaborated people. An additional Division of the High Court was in the delivery and the operation and maintenance established in Maun in December 2019. Furthermore, of such facilities. additional Special Courts such as Stock Theft Court, Traffic Court and Maintenance Court were established Conclusion in the following places; Maun, Tsabong, Mahalapye, Francistown, Selebi Phikwe, Palapye, Mochudi, Mr Speaker, this concludes my presentation on the Mid- Gaborone (Village), Molepolole, Lobatse and Jwaneng Term Review of NDP 11 for the Attorney General’s Magistrate Courts. The Corruption Court has been Chambers. I therefore, move that the sum of One established at the Gaborone High Court Division in Hundred and Forty-One Million, Six Hundred and addition to the existing one at the Francistown High Eleven Thousand, Three Hundred and Twenty-Nine Court Division. The AOJ has also completed the Pula (P141, 611, 329) be approved and stand part of the construction of purpose built Magistrate Courts in NDP 11 Mid-Term Review Budget. I move accordingly. Broadhurst and Kanye with facilities such as witness I thank you, Mr Speaker. rooms, holding cells, et cetera. MR SPEAKER: Order! Honourable Members, there is Mr Speaker, as part of its contribution to the Strategic yet another presentation that the Minister of Defence, Thrusts, Economic Recovery and Transformation Plan, Justice and Security has to make about Administration the AOJ has put in place strategies to enhance service of Justice (AOJ). Honourable Minister, you are allocated delivery and turnaround times. These strategies include another 15 minutes. among others, the amendment of the Rules of Court to ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE incorporate Court Annexed Mediation, Electronic Filing (E-filing), increase the threshold of Small Claims Court, MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND and review Tariffs for Attorneys. SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Mr Speaker, I have the honour and privilege to present to this Honourable Promoting Digitalisation House the performance of the Administration of Justice Mr Speaker, in an effort to improve the overall efficiency (AOJ) in the implementation of policies, strategies, of the courts and to expedite court processes across programmes and initiatives relating to the Governance, the country, reforms largely driven by Information Peace and Security (DPS) Thematic Working Group Technology systems, such as Judicial Case Management (TWG). I will also highlight challenges encountered System (JCM) and Court Records Management System during the period under review, and indicate key aspects (CRMS) continue to be successfully implemented in all of the Administration of Justice’s Strategic Plan 2017- courts. The objective of the two systems is to improve 2023, which describes the institution’s blueprint for the the turnaround time and the disposal rate of cases. The remaining three years of National Development Plan JCM allows for the tracking and monitoring of judicial (NDP) 11. officers whilst the CRMS registers and allocates cases Mr Speaker, the Judiciary is established under the to judicial officers. The introduction of e-filing system Constitution of Botswana with a mandate to determine, will further expedite case disposal in courts, reduce settle and resolve various disputes brought before the travel and other costs incurred by litigants in the filing courts. The Judiciary contributes to the upholding court process and mitigate the likelihood of COVID-19

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effects. While CRMS, JCM and e-filing are intended remittance of court fees and online payments through to improve case disposal rate, there are still challenges designated bank accounts will be made available. Mr of case backlog which require concerted effort by all Speaker, access to justice will further be enhanced by stakeholders to address the situation. the construction of purpose built Magistrate Courts in Kasane and Serowe, which will compliment all CHALLENGES other initiatives intended to improve efficiency in the Mr Speaker, despite the above achievements, the AOJ Judiciary. continues to experience challenges in the delivery Mr Speaker, the National Transformation Agenda, of its mandate, such as delays in the transcription of requires that the pattern of economic growth in records of proceedings due to acute shortage of Court Botswana be driven by the private sector. In this Reporters in the market. Efforts are being made in terms regard, the Administration of Justice (AOJ) will, during of recruitment and training of Court Personnel (Court the remainder of National Development Plan (NDP) Reporters) in Real Time Court Reporting and acquisition 11 establish three Commercial Courts in Gaborone, of necessary specialised equipment to expedite the Francistown and Maun to improve efficiency in the process of records transcription. Mr Speaker, other disposal of commercial disputes. These Courts will challenges include modernising the Judiciary to address facilitate and enhance the ease of doing business, and complex and emerging cases such as cybercrime, human ultimately create a conducive environment for Foreign trafficking, money laundering, et cetera. Attached to Direct Investment (FDI). This will further help in the this challenge is the overall shortage of resources which creation of the much-needed jobs, especially for our currently affects efficiency in service delivery and may youth. delay the attainment of a world-class Judiciary. Mr Speaker, the proposed development programmes PROGRAMMES AND PROJECTS FOR THE and projects for the remaining period of the NDP 11, REMAINDER OF NDP 11 will require One Hundred and Fifty-Three Million, Four Hundred Thousand Pula (P153, 400, 000.00) to be Mr Speaker, the Court Annexed Mediation is a form of implemented. alternative dispute resolution that facilitates expedited conclusion of cases. In the coming financial year, CONCLUSION Court Annexed Mediation services will be provided in Gaborone, Francistown and Maun and will ultimately Mr Speaker, this concludes my presentation on the be rolled out to other stations going forward. A position Mid-Term Review of NDP 11 for the Administration of of Mediation Administrator, which is at the level of a Justice. I therefore, move that the sum of One Hundred High Court Judge, will be created and will be supported and Fifty-Three Million, Four Hundred and Thousand by four Mediators. The implementation of this initiative Pula (P153, 400, 000.00) be approved and stand part will contribute to the efficiency of the justice sector, of the NDP 11 Mid-Term Review budget. I move simplify processes, improve turnaround times for accordingly. I thank you, Mr Speaker. completion of cases and provide the much needed MR SPEAKER: Order! Honourable Memebers, we reform to remove barriers to effective service delivery have concluded the business of today, I shall now at and access to justice. This will further help fast track this moment call upon Honourable Molale to move a commercial cases such as tender disputes and enhance Motion of adjournment. the doing business environment. MOTION Mr Speaker, the number of Small Claims Courts will be increased from two to five, by establishing additional ADJOURNMENT Small Claims Courts in Jwaneng, Palapye and Maun. To MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND support this, the threshold for Small Claims Court has RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLALE): Thank been increased from P10, 000 to P30, 000. you Mr Speaker. I now move that this House do adjourn. Mr Speaker, as already indicated, the AOJ intends to Question put and agreed to. harness technology by introducing e-filing to facilitate a system through which litigants may file documents The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:21 p.m. until remotely. To support this initiative, a facility for the Friday 4th September, 2020 at 9:00 a.m.

Hansard No 198 59 HANSARD RECORDERS Mr. T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. D. Kebonang HANSARD REPORTERS Mr M. Buti, Ms Z. Molemi, Mr J. Samunzala, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms G. Baotsi, Ms N. Mokoka

HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa, Ms M. Madubeko

LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B. B. Khumanego, Mr D. T. Batshegi, Mr K. Rebaisakae

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