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COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HOUSE EDUCATION COMMITTEE STATE MUSEUM AUDITORIUM HARRISBURG, PENNSYLVANIA WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2007 12:06 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING ON HOUSE BILLS 446, 738, 1407, AND 1655 BEFORE: HONORABLE JAMES R. ROEBUCK, JR., CHAIRMAN HONORABLE KAREN D. BEYER HONORABLE LAWRENCE H. CURRY HONORABLE MICHAEL FLECK HONORABLE RICHARD T. GRUCELA HONORABLE MICHAEL K. HANNA HONORABLE DAYLIN LEACH HONORABLE MARK LONGIETTI HONORABLE JOHN E. PALLONE HONORABLE SAM ROHRER HONORABLE CURTIS G. SONNEY 2 1 (CONT'D) 2 ALSO PRESENT: 3 HONORABLE PAUL CLYMER 4 HONORABLE GREG VITALI 5 CHRISTOPHER WAKELY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR (D) JENNIFER HOOVER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR (R) 6 7 8 BRENDA S. HAMILTON, RPR REPORTER - NOTARY PUBLIC 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 INDEX 2 NAME PAGE 3 THOMAS GLUCK, EXECUTIVE DEPUTY SECRETARY 9 4 DR. JOSEPH LEWIS, SUPERINTENDENT 16 5 DR. RONALD MCCAHAN, SUPERINTENDENT 21 6 JAMES TESTERMAN, PRESIDENT, PSEA 25 7 JAY HIMES, CAE, EXEC. DIRECTOR 30 8 DONNA LES, PSBA, BUSINESS MANAGER 34 9 TIM ALLWEIN, PSBA, ASSIST. EXEC. DIR. 68 10 LAWRENCE FEINBERG, SCHOOL DISTRICT OF 68 HAVERFORD TOWNSHIP AND DELAWARE COUNTY 11 SCHOOL BOARDS LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL 12 ROBERTA MARCUS, PARKLAND SCHOOL DISTRICT, 76 AND PSBA 13 JOHN MCKELLIGOTT, WILLIAM PENN SCHOOL 81 14 DISTRICT 15 TIM ALLWEIN, PSBA, ASSIST. EXEC. DIR. 86 16 JAMES ESTEP, SUPERINTENDENT, PARSS 89 17 MICHAEL OGNOSKY, SUPERINTENDENT, PARSS 94 18 JOHN FREUND, SOLICITOR 99 19 SHARON WILLIAMS, CHIEF ACADEMIC OFFICER 128 20 SOPHIA LEWIS 138 21 JOSE PARRILLA, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER 146 22 JON MARSH, CEO, 21ST CYBER CHARTER SCHOOL 156 23 DENNIS TULLI, CEO, COMMONWEALTH 164 CONNECTIONS ACADEMY 24 SANDRA FOUCH, PA CYBER CHARTER SCHOOL 181 25 4 1 (CONT'D): 2 INDEX 3 NAME PAGE 4 ANDREW OBERG, PA CYBER CHARTER SCHOOL 187 5 NATHAN BENEFIELD, COMMONWEALTH FOUNDATION 191 6 DR. BOB MARANTO, COMMONWEALTH FOUNDATION 196 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 3 CHAIRMAN ROEBUCK: I'd like to call 4 this meeting to order. Good afternoon. I'd 5 like to call the meeting to order. This is 6 the meeting of the House Education Committee 7 focusing upon legislation on cyber charter 8 schools. I certainly am very pleased to see 9 that we have a large audience, and I'd like to 10 begin by asking that the members of the 11 committee and other reps who are with us will 12 introduce themselves. 13 I'm Jim Roebuck. I'm the chairman of 14 the committee from Philadelphia. 15 REPRESENTATIVE ROHRER: I'm State 16 Representative Sam Rohrer from Berks County. 17 REPRESENTATIVE MCILVAINE SMITH: I'm 18 State Representative Barbara McIlvaine Smith 19 from Chester County. 20 REPRESENTATIVE BEYER: I'm 21 Representative Karen Beyer from Lehigh and 22 Northampton County. 23 REPRESENTATIVE O'NEILL: 24 Representative Bernie O'Neill from Bucks 25 County. 6 1 REPRESENTATIVE FLECK: Representative 2 Mike Fleck serving portions of Blair, 3 Huntingdon, and Mifflin Counties. 4 REPRESENTATIVE VITALI: Greg Vitali 5 from Delaware County. 6 REPRESENTATIVE CLYMER: I'm 7 Representative Paul Clymer from Bucks County. 8 CHAIRMAN ROEBUCK: Thank you. We 9 have a long agenda and we want to make sure 10 that we give the opportunity to everyone who 11 wants to testify to testify. We do have a 12 time limit, and there is a clock, and we will 13 enforce that limit. 14 We want to also indicate that the 15 rule applies as well to the committee members 16 on the questions and the answers. 17 But it is our endeavor, our hope that 18 we will be able to move the hearing forward 19 and so everyone who wants to testify will 20 testify. 21 I want to emphasize that this is a 22 legislative hearing and although the subject 23 might be controversial and it might engender 24 some degree of emotion, it is my hope that we 25 will respect each other and listen to all the 7 1 testimony that is given and it is not a pep 2 rally. It is a legislative hearing. 3 Having said that, I want to offer the 4 opportunity for Representative Vitali to make 5 brief introductory remarks in reference to his 6 legislation and then we will go into the 7 committee testimony. 8 REPRESENTATIVE VITALI: Thank you, 9 Chairman Roebuck, for extending to me, a 10 non-member, the opportunity to explain my 11 bill, House Bill 1655. 12 House Bill 1655 is a very simple 13 two-page bill which does essentially two 14 things. One, it clarifies the right of a 15 school district to set up its own cyber 16 charter school and, two, makes it clear that 17 if a school district avails itself of that 18 option then it would be relieved from the 19 obligation and the Commonwealth would also be 20 relieved of the obligation to pay money for a 21 student in that school district who chooses to 22 go to another cyber charter school. 23 This idea -- this idea was from an 24 official in my school district, the Haverford 25 Township School District, who explained to me 8 1 the cost issue with regard to cyber charters 2 and the money that was leaving the school 3 district because of that and thought it might 4 be a good idea to do this in-house in a more 5 efficient way. 6 A couple of points. This is all 7 about doing what's best for children, all 8 children in Pennsylvania, given the fact that 9 we have a fixed amount of money to be spent on 10 education. 11 The second point I want to make is 12 that I'm fully supportive of the concept of 13 cyber charter schools. I think they have 14 their place in the educational toolbox that 15 schools use to educate kids. 16 I don't claim that this is the only 17 answer or perhaps even the best answer. I do 18 feel it has merit and it is an idea that I 19 want to throw out there so the experts of this 20 committee and others can sort of scrutinize 21 it, adjust it, and perhaps it will fail or 22 pass in the marketplace of ideas. 23 Other members have come forward to me 24 with regard to possible amendments. One, 25 making it clear that grouping of school 9 1 districts could do this. 2 Another idea is perhaps exempting 3 special ed kids from this. I think there 4 are -- I just want to throw this idea out 5 there because I think that the key thing is we 6 spend our educational dollars in the most 7 efficient way possible and I think this is a 8 potential goal for it. 9 So with that I will close and thank 10 you again for the opportunity to testify. 11 CHAIRMAN ROEBUCK: Thank you. We've 12 been joined by additional committee members. 13 I would ask the members to introduce 14 themselves. 15 REPRESENTATIVE CURRY: Lawrence 16 Curry, 154th Legislative District, Montgomery 17 and Philadelphia Counties. 18 THE AUDIENCE: Louder. Louder, 19 please. 20 REPRESENTATIVE MILNE: Duane Milne, 21 167th District, Chester County. 22 REPRESENTATIVE GRUCELA: I'm 23 Representative Rich Grucela from Northampton 24 County. 25 REPRESENTATIVE O'NEILL: You don't 10 1 need the mike. 2 THE AUDIENCE: You we can hear. The 3 other guy we can't. 4 REPRESENTATIVE HANNA: I'll follow 5 his lead. Representative Mike Hanna, 76th 6 District, all of Clinton County and part of 7 Centre County. 8 CHAIRMAN ROEBUCK: Thank you. We'll 9 call then up our first group of testifiers, 10 Thomas Gluck, the Executive Deputy Secretary 11 of the Pennsylvania Department of Education; 12 Dr. Ronald McCahan, Superintendent, Tussey 13 Mountain School District; Dr. Joseph Lewis, 14 Superintendent, Bethlehem Area School 15 District. 16 EXEC. DEPUTY SECRETARY GLUCK: 17 Mr. Chairman, thank you. I think we're going 18 to try to work -- speaking of technology -- 19 work your technology here the best we can. 20 Good afternoon, Chairman Roebuck, 21 members of the committee, friends, guests. 22 Quite a crowd this morning. 23 My name is Tom Gluck. I am the 24 Executive Deputy Secretary for the Department 25 of Education. On behalf of Governor Rendell, 11 1 Secretary Zahorchak, and the entire 2 department, thank you for the offer to appear 3 today and discuss this important issue with 4 you. 5 I will, Mr. Chairman, do the best I 6 can to set a good model. You do have a long 7 agenda and I'll attempt to summarize, as will 8 my colleagues here this morning. 9 I do have two superintendents who 10 have joined me this morning, Dr. Ron McCahan, 11 who is from the Tussey Mountain School 12 District and Dr. Joseph Lewis from the 13 Bethlehem Area School District, who will talk 14 a little bit about the department's proposal 15 on this and what it might mean for -- for 16 their school districts in particular. 17 You'll recall that in July Secretary 18 Zahorchak did testify before your committee 19 and introduced to you the department and the 20 administration's proposal for cyber charter 21 school funding. I believe that proposal is 22 attached to my testimony that you -- that you 23 have this morning.