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26 February 2019 at 9 Am __________________________________________________________ PRODUCTIVITY COMMISSION COMPENSATION AND REHABILITATION FOR VETERANS MR R FITZGERALD, Presiding Commissioner MR R SPENCER, Commissioner TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS AT ADINA APARTMENT HOTEL, 359 CROWN ST SURRY HILLS ON TUESDAY 26 FEBRUARY 2019 AT 9 AM Veterans’ Compensation and Rehabilitation 26/02/19 Sydney © C'wlth of Australia INDEX RETURNED & SERVICES 896 - 913 LEAGUE (RSL) OF AUSTRALIA (NSW Branch) ALLIANCE OF DEFENCE 913 - 929 SERVICE ORGANISATIONS (ADSO) ROYAL AUSTRALIAN 929 - 943 ARMOURED CORPS (RAAC) CORPORATION ROSEVILLE RSL SUB-BRANCH 944 - 955 DR PAULA DABOVICH 955 - 966 MR JOHN GEORGE 966 - 979 WAR WIDOWS’ GUILD OF 980 - 997 AUSTRALIA PARTNERS OF VETERANS 998 - 1013 ASSOCIATION OF AUSTRALIA MRS KATHLEEN MOORE 1014 - 1029 MR GREG ISOLANI 1029 - 1044 MR WILLIAM RED 1044 - 1047 Veterans’ Compensation and Rehabilitation 26/02/19 Sydney © C'wlth of Australia COMMISSIONER FITZGERALD: Good morning everybody, and thanks very much for participating in today's events. I've just got a formal statement which we read at the beginning of each of the 5 days, so I'll just do that. Firstly, again, welcome to the public hearings of the Productivity Commission inquiry into veterans' compensation and rehabilitation following the release of the draft report in December of last year. 10 I am Robert Fitzgerald. I'm the presiding Commissioner on this inquiry with my fellow Commissioner, Richard Spencer, and we've had the pleasure of meeting many of you in consultations that took place last year. 15 The purpose of these hearings is to facilitate public scrutiny of the Commission's work and to get comment and feedback on the draft report. It's also an opportunity for us to clarify, as we go through the day, misunderstandings and confusion that exists given the size of this report and the number of recommendations. We've been hosting hearings across 20 Australia, and they've included in Adelaide, Perth, Darwin, Canberra, Melbourne, Wagga and Hobart, today in Sydney. The next two days are in Brisbane, and Friday in Townsville. They will be followed by some further informal consultations and perhaps one or two round tables as we contemplate the final report. 25 The report will go to government at the end of June of this year having considered all of the evidence presented at the hearings and in submissions as well as other informal discussions. Participants and those who have registered their interest in this inquiry will be advised of the 30 final report's release by the government. The draft report is released by the Productivity Commission itself. A final report is released by the Commonwealth Government, but it must be released in full within 25 Parliamentary sitting days after the completion of the report. 35 We like to conduct all of the inquiries, all hearings in a reasonably informal manner, although you might question whether this is very informal, but I remind participants that a full transcript is being taken and for this reason, comments from the floor cannot be taken, but towards the end of the proceedings for the day I will provide an opportunity for any 40 persons wishing to make a very brief presentation right at the end. Participants are not required to take an oath but the Productivity Commission Act requires that the evidence being provided is truthful. Participants are welcome to comment on the issues raised in other people's 45 submissions, and other presentations. 895 Veterans’ Compensation and Rehabilitation 26/02/19 Sydney © C'wlth of Australia The transcript will be made available to participants and will be available from the Commission's website following the hearings. Submissions are also available on the website. Any media representatives attending today 5 would need to just to see our staff in relation to certain rules that apply to the reporting of these hearings. Just in relation to occupational health and safety legislation just to remind you that there is an exit at the back of the room which takes you out to the 10 lifts and there is a fire exit on the right-hand side of the lift foyer. And obviously if there is any emergency you are to listen to the hotel staff. Otherwise, we'll get under way. I just want to say a couple of things if I can. We've had terrific feedback from the report; some positive, some 15 negative, but most importantly it's been very educative and informative for our work. We understand it's an exceptionally long report. We understand that very few brave souls have had the chance to read all of it, but it has been important, and many organisations have put in considerable time and effort, and we very much welcome those responses, 20 and we look forward to those today. So if we could have RSL New South Wales to start us off, that'd be terrific. Hi, how are you? Good morning. So just the procedures are I'll ask you to give your full name and the organisation you represent and then you've 25 got about 10 or 15 minutes to give us an opening statement and then Richard and I will have a discussion. And that will be roughly the way in which the whole day proceeds. So if you could give us your full names and the organisations you represent? 30 MR BROWN: James Alexander Brown, president of RSL New South Wales. MR DALLAS: James Lloyd Dallas, and RSL New South Wales. 35 COMMISSIONER FITZGERALD: Good. Thanks very much. Those microphones are only for recording purposes. If anyone is hard of hearing and there are some, I can't imagine why, they should come to the front of the room and you can move your chair as close as you like, but they don't amplify, so that's it. 40 So if you could give us your opening presentation that'd be terrific. MR BROWN: Sure, Thank you very much for having us this morning. RSL New South Wales is a membership organisation of 35,000 people 45 here in New South Wales. It's part of the Returned Services League of 896 Veterans’ Compensation and Rehabilitation 26/02/19 Sydney © C'wlth of Australia Australia. I'll speak on behalf of the board of RSL New South Wales and outline our response to the report from a policy perspective, and James Dallas is a veteran himself and one of our professional support providers, and will give a practitioner's perspective on a response to the report. 5 I just want to note that we're currently directly assisting more than 3000 military families both through our network of sub-branches and volunteers, but also through our professional support team in the Sydney CBD. 10 At the outset I want to acknowledge on behalf of RSL the depth of the Commission's analysis and also particularly your willingness to truly consider the system from first principles. You haven't left many sacred cows untouched in this one, and the conceptual framework outlined in the 15 draft is bold. To give you our bottom line upfront it's too bold. There are a number of recommendations in here that we support and I'll speak to several of the major ones at the outset, and in our written response we'll talk to some of the smaller recommendations that we support, and there are a number of recommendations in here that we do not support. Chiefly, 20 we do not support the dismantling of DVA at this point in time. Essentially we believe that the conceptual structure outlined in your draft report would be too great a shift from the current system at a time when veterans centric reforms are showing some degree of success and are 25 showing some degree of enhancement of the process that veterans go through when they encounter DVA. To shift to such a new concept would cause significant disruption to the delivery of compensation and rehabilitation particularly to the largest generation of veterans, mostly Vietnam here and national service here are veterans who are now entering 30 their seventies and understand the current system. The system may be a useful system in the future, but not right now. We strongly support your draft recommendations to harmonise impairment, compensation and assessment of liability across the three 35 Acts, and we quite like the way you've outlined how that might happen. We see the differing provisions in the different Acts as being one of the primary sources of friction within the system at the moment. They, as you rightly identify, are unnecessarily complex and in some cases are very unfair. 40 To that end we strongly support the recommendation to gradually transition DRCA into MRCA and the eventual transition to two schemes for compensation and rehabilitation, and we gratefully note the recommendation you've made there that existing payments under DRCA 45 would be grandfathered. We see a number of inconsistencies in the way 897 Veterans’ Compensation and Rehabilitation 26/02/19 Sydney © C'wlth of Australia veterans under DRCA are treated, and we're grateful that you acknowledge that. We agree that the Commission's proposal is the best way to significantly 5 simplify the system whilst minimising the disruption to existing DVA clients. We strongly support the recommendation to transition responsibility for major commemorative activities from DVA to the Australian War Memorial. We spoke on this very recently. We don't think that the department is the best place for people or the skill - with the 10 skills and the structure and the systems necessary to run major commemorative events at home or overseas.
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