9458 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5 military services of the United States; to 2121. By Mr. KRAMER: Petition of the Sil­ 1 ADMITI'ING .t\NANTA KHITTASANGKA TQ the Committee on the Post Office and Post verlake Young Democrats - of Los Angeles, THE ACADEMY 'AT WEST POINT Roads. · Calif., requesting tliat Senate bill 1987 be not By Mr. DISNEY: : passed; to the Committee on the Judiciary. Mr. MAY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unani­ H. R. 6175. A bill to amend section 23 of ' 2122. By the SPEAKER: Petition of Camp mous. consent for the consideration· ot the Internal Revenue Code; to the Com­ ! 79, 0. 0. of A., Barrington, N. J., petitioning House Joint Resolution 251, which I send mittee on Ways and Means. consideration of their resolution with refer­ to the desk and ask to have read. By Mr. VOORHIS of California: ' ence to House bill1410; to the Committee on The Clerk read as follows: H. J. Res. 253. Joint resolution authoriz­ Ways and Means. Ing the President of the United States of House Joint Resolution 251, authorizing the America to proclaim the first day of each Secretary of War to receive for instruction new year as Good Neighbor Day, for the pur­ at the United States Military Academy, at poses of setting an example in neighborli­ . HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES West Point, Ananta Khittasangka, a citizen ness on the first day of the year, to serve of Thailand as an inspiration and a standard for all the FRIDAY, DECEMBER 5, 1941 Resolved, etc., That the Secretary of War days to follow, leading to better relations at be, and he is hereby, authorized to permit home, in all the Americas, and throughout The House met at 12 o'clock noon. Ananta Khittasangka to receive instruction the world; to the Committee on the at the United States Military Academy, at Judiciary. The Chaplain, Rev. James Shera West Point: Provided, That no expense shall By Mr. PLOESER: Montgomery, D. D., offered the following be caused to the United States thereby, and ·H. Res. 376. Resolution requesting the Pres­ prayer: that Ananta Khittasangka shall agree to ident and the Secretary of State to nego­ Heavenly Father, Thou who art our comply with all regulations for the police tiate for the purchase of a part of the Do­ and discipline of the academy, to be studious, minion of Canada; to the Committee on peace, grant that we may find rest unto and to give his utmost efforts to accomplish Foreign Affairs. our souls. In a day with fightings with­ the courses in the various departments of By Mr. COOLEY: in and fears without and of conflicts instruction, and that said A.nanta Khitta­ · H. Res. 377. Resolution to create a select which no mortal can escape, come with sangka shall not be admitted t.o the academy committee to investigate the activities. of spiritual power; at times Thou dost seem until he shall have passed the mental and, the Farm Security Administration; to the far away, deaf to our cryings and dumb physical examinations prescribed for candi.. Committee on Rules. dates from the United States and that he to our needs. With ampler powers and shall be immediately withdrawn ·if deficient for larger service do Thou fit us in a bet­ in studies or in conduct and so recommended PRIVATE BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS ter world. We pray that we may be by the academic board: Provided further) saved by our sufferings and sacrifices for That in the case of said Ananta Khittasangka~ Under clause 1 of rule XXII, private those joys. which our enfranchised spir­ the provisions of sections 1320 and 1321 of bills and resolutions were introduced and its shall share. All that we crowd into the Revised Statutes shall be ~uspended , and severally referred as follows: our day's ambition, wealth, and purpose the provisions of law r.elating to age 'limita­ By Mr. IZAC: may they all be Thine for we are Goq's; tions upon the admission of candidates to , H. R. 6176. A bill for the relief of Shirley they are but broken lights of Thee and the academy shall not apply. Jones; to the Committee on Claims. Thou, 0 Lord, art more than they. Mr. MICHENER. Mr. Speaker, I re­ By Mr. OSMERS: serve the right to. object. What are we . H. R. fH 77. A bill for the relief of Owen 0 Master, come with Thy blessed Young; to the Committee on Claims. • quietness and as we pray with our doing with Thailand? What does this By Mr. O'HARA: trembling faith, may we find the shifting bill do? Will the gentleman please H. R. 6178. A bill granting an increase of sands beneath our feet as firm and as en­ explain this? pension to Nancy Jane Miller; to the Com­ during as the Rock of Ages. With bated Mr. MAY. We are not doing anything mittee on ·Invalid Pensions. breath and whispering humbleness we with Thailand in this resolution, but the By Mr. SMITH of Washington: resolution proposes to authorize the·Sec­ H. R. 617.9. A bill for the relief of Thomas ask for help and strength; grant that H. VanNoy; to the Committee on Claims. righteous conviction may ever ' struggle retary of War to admit Ananta Khitta­ By Mr. SCANLON: toward utterance as we attempt to realize sangka into the ·West Point Military H. R. 6180. A bill for the relief of George in common everyday living the brother­ Academy. This young man is the son of J. Gataldo; to the Committee on Military hood of man; where cross the crowded the Prime Minister of Thailand. This is Affairs. ways of life. Praise be Thine, 0 Lord, to be done without expense to the United our Redeemer. Amen. States. He is already in tl~is country and PETITIONS, ETC. is a student at the Purdue University, at The Journal of the proceedings of yes­ Lafayette, Ind. He is to be subject to all Under· clause 1 of rule XXII, petitions terday was read and approved. of the rules and regulations of the acad­ and papers were laid on the Clerk's desk MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE emy and to pass the necessary physical and r~ferred ~s follows: - A message from the Semite, by Mr.· and mental examinations and all other 2117. By Mr. KRAMER: Petition of the Fliazier, its legislative clerk, announced requirements. If at any time he is dis­ office of the Board of Supervisors of the obedient to any rule or regulation, he County of Los Angeles, State of California, that the Senate agrees to the amendment Tuesday, November 25, 1941, wherein they of the House to a bill of the Senate of the shall be dismissed from the academy. record· their opposition to legislation to ex­ following title: · · Mr. MICHENER. . Will this proposed empt from State and local taxes the sale, S. 1060. An act to extend the 6 months' legislation establish a precedent? purchase, storage, use, or consumption of death gratuity benefits, now paid only to Mr. MAY. No; it will not. The Secre­ tangible personal property for use in per­ dependents of officers and enlisted men of tary of War has approved this. forming defense contracts; to the Committee the Regular Army, to dependents of all offi­ on Ways and Means. Mr. MICHENER. Does this create a cers, warrant officers, and enlisted men of the new precedent or is this the custom? Is 2118. By Mr. SHAFER of Michigan: Reso­ Army of the United States who die in line ~ution adopted by Common council of the of duty while in active military service of the this appointment presumed to be a com­ City of Detroit, Mich., opposing tax exemption United States. pliment, is it a good neighborly act, or . of property or transactions connected with merely an act of friendship? What is national defense; to the Committee on Ways RESIGN'ATION FROM OOMMITTEES the motive prompting the proposal? and Means. 2119. By the SPEAKER: Petition of the The SPEAKER laid before the House Mr. MAY. I had started to explain to National Coordinating Committee for Wom­ the following communication: the gentleman when he asked if it was a ·en's Auxiliaries, Washington, D. C., petition­ Han. SAM RAYBURN, precedent, by saying that the Secretary ing consideration of their resolution with ref­ Speaker .of the House of Representatives, of State points out here four or five dif­ erence to the Bill of Rights; to the Commit• Washington, D. C. ferent similar instances, and refers to tee on the Judiciary. MY DEAa Ma. SPEAKER: I hereby tender my the act and the date and the terms of it 2120. By Mr. MACIEJEWSKI: Memorial of resignation from the following committees: the City Council of the City of Chicago, me­ Education, Flood Control, Mines and Mining, when others have been admitted. It is morializing the C.ongress of the United States and Pensions. stated in a· letter or report from the to take such action as maY. be necessary to Sincerely yours, Thailand consul here in Washington, and Increase the minimum rate of pay of those WM. J. FITZGERALD. by the Secretary of State, that it will enrolled in the Army during this emergency help to bring about better relations with to $42 per month and also to extend to them The SPEAKER. Without objection! this country and the present situation in the privilege of free mail service; to the Com· the resignation will be accepted. Thailand. It is more complimentary mittee on Military Affairs. l'here was no objection. than anything else. 1941 CONGRESSIONAL .RECORD-HOUSE 9459 · Mr. HOFFMAN. Mr. Speaker, will the would be interested in a statement he lation. Let them point out to us what gentleman yield? has made on "No separate Air Corps." provision is un-American. Let them tell Mr. MAY. Yes. The SPEAKER. Without objection, us now whether or not they favor violence Mr. HOFFMAN. Can the gentleman it is so ordered. in strikes, whether they favor jurisdic­ assure us, if this young man goes there, There was no objection. tional and sympathetic strikes, whether that he will not learn some of these vital (The matter referred to is as follows:> they favor the collection of a fee for the military secrets that are a necessary part As a result of my visit to the British Isles sale of work permits to the men before of the national defense and then go back and my conversation with high commanders they are permitted to work-evils which and tell somebody over there? of the British Army. and with our own mili­ they have been writing. about for the l~t Mr. MAY. Oh, the gentleman knows tary observers, who have seen first-hand the 2 or 3 years. Let them be honest with that the academy board at West Point is warfare in England, on the Continent, and in the House and point out wherein they Russia, I am convinced that the idea of an claim we have erred. made up of Army oftlcers. and they will Air Corps separate· from our Army and our not permit military secrets to be given to Navy is a mistake which should never be [Here the gavel fell.] military students. adopted ·by our country. It has been the ADJOURNMENT OVER Mr. HOFFMAN. Is the gentleman cer­ lack of adequate air support for the ground tain that the entrance of this young man army that has been primarily responsible for Mr. McCORMACK. Mr. Speaker, I into the academy will not cost us any­ the tactical failures of the British to date. ask unanimous consent that when the thing. That cannot be possible! It is largely because of the very ~lose support House adjourns today it adjourn to meet . Mr. MAY. It is so provided in the and cooperation between the air arm and the on Monday next. resolution. . ·ground arms that the Russians have taken The SPEAKER. · Is there objection? such a toll of German tanks and have been · There was no"objection. ·Mr. HOFFMAN. Notwithstanding the able to make such a valiant fight. resolution, does the gentleman really While it 1s realized that the fighter ·com­ ORDER OF BUSINESS NEXT WEEK think that we are going to get out of it · mand of the independent Royal Air Force Mr.- McCORMACK. Mr. Speaker, I without paying for it? have done a superb job in preventing the ·ask unanimous consent to proceed for . . Mr. MAY. I think the resolution is the . Q€rmans from gaining air superiority over the British Isles, we must remember that the .30 seconds. ' . l~w in the case, and that the Secretary of . · The SPEAKER; Is there objection? . War will not violate the law. problem f'f the British Isles, which, after all, is small in area, is not the same .problem as There· was no objection. . Mr. HOFFMAN. Well, is not this the in .the United States or in Russia; and, ·fur­ Mr. McCORMACK. Just to recapitu­ first instance that we have ever done thermore, the Royal Air Force, in the defense late on next week's work: On Monday anything for a foreigner without it cost­ of the ·British Isles had the support of tlie there will be ·the extension ·of the ·Soil ing us anything? ' antiaircraft artillery, which 'is a part of the . Conservation Act. I was hoping that it ; Mr. RICH. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the. g_round forces. Even so, I am informed that . would be brought up today, but it will be · right to object. What amount will be had England not started the war with a sep-: · arate air force it would never have one now; brought up Monday. · paid to this Government for this educa- . I understand there are two noncon- · tion at West Point? and they cannot understand why anyone in · our c~l\ihtry is advocating such a basic change • troversial bills from the. Committee on · Mr. MAY. I do not know whether. 1 the District of Columbia. anything will be paid. to the Government . in our present Army organization when we • are in the midst of a national eme~gency. On Tuesday will be the Private Cal- · or not, but it is expressly.provided in this . endar; not the omnibus bills, but the_call resolution in the proviso on the first p~ge ExTENSION ·oF REMARKS of the Private Calendar. that no expense -will be caused to the. . Mr. . JOHNS. Mr. Speaker, I ask unan- . If a rule is reported out of the Rules United States thereby. , imous con.sent to extend my remarks and ·Committee, on Wednesday we will take Mr. RICH. The point I want to make include therein an article by a young 'up the national-defense housing bill. I iS, Will this come under the terms of the lady from Green Bay, Wis. have nothing further to announce to the lease-lend bill? The SPEAKER. Is there objection? House for next week. The SPEAKER. The Chair requests There was no objection. · Mr. FULMER. Mr. Speaker, will the the gentleman from Kentucky [Mr. MAY] . Mr.--REED of New York. Mr. Speaker, gentleman yield? · to temporarily withdraw his request, be- I ·have two unanimous-consent requests. Mr. McconMACK. Certainly. cause the Chair understood this was a I . ask unanimous consent to extend my · Mr. FULMER. If we have time this unanimous report from the committee remarks and include therein an editorial afternoon, it would be satisfactory to and there would be no contest about the and also I ask unanimous conserit to b'ring up 'the extension of the Soil Con- · matter. . extend my. remarks and include therein servation-Act today. . ~ Mr. MAY. -Mr. Speaker; I -temporarilY·. a news item. . ' Mr . . McCORMACK. The gentleman · withdraw the .request, but.I wisb to say, The SPEAKER. . Without objection,. knows the stateme·nt I ·have just made . it is a unanimous · report of the House. , the requests of ·the gentleman from New ·was as a result of a conference I had · Military Affairs ·committee. · ,. York are granted. with the gentleman yesterday. I wanted · PERMISSION TO ADDRESS THE HOUSE · · I · There was no objection. · , to bring it up today. It is agreeable to Mr. POAGE. Mr. ·Speaker, .I ask·unani-. ' . LABO~ LEGISLATION me, if the appropriation bill is finished in . mous consent that after disposition of ' · Mi. M:. si>eaker, I ask· time, to take it up this afternoon; but · :HoFFMAN. if not, it will come up on Monday. all business on the Speaker's table I may unanimous consent to proceed for 1 min­ ' Mr. MICHENER. Does the gentleman . be. permitted to. address the House for- . rite and to revise and extend my remarks .. contemplate any conference report· before . 35 minutes this afternoon. . . .· ·· The SPEAKER. Without objection, it · The SPEAKER. Is there objection? 1s so ordered. Monday of next·week from the Senate? Mr. McCORMACK. I doubt if any­ There was no objection. · Tllere was no objection . .· thing would be here before probably the EXTENSION OF REMARKS · ,· Mr. HOFFMAN. Mr. Speaker, without. latter part of ·next week. That is the , Mr. ELLIS. Mr. Speaker, I ·ask unani- anY- animosity at all, but in sorrow and .. best answer. I can give the gentleman. .. mous consent to extend· my remarkS and· · with some · regret, I wish to. call the . at- . , The ·SPEAKER. Permit the Chair to inchide therein an address made by me:· , tention of .the House to the.fact that the state that, after talking to the gentleman · The SPEAKER. . Without ·objection~ it· • editorial wri-ters in.the great newspapers. from Massachusetts [Mr. McCoRMACK] is so ordered. · · ·which h~ v.e been clamoring. for the .last , yesterday, -the Chair told several Mem­ There was no objection. 5 or 6 weeks for labor. legislation now in. bers-the soil-conservation bill would not their editorials characterize the bill come up today. NO SEPARATE AIR CORPS which was passed last .week as being Mr. McCORMACK. I want the posi­ Mr. · PETERSON of Florida. Mr. drastic antilaPoi' legislation. tion understood, that I was anxious to Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to ex-· ~- It would be a fine thing if some of those. have ·it brought up today, I had made tend my remarks in the RECORD and in- editorial writers who have been pounding arrangements to ask that the House elude therein a statement made by our- us on .the ·back for labor legislation would meet at 11 o'clock. I had conferred with colleague the gentleman from Pennsyl- now display a little sincerity and knowl­ the minority leader, and as a· result of vania [Mr. SNYDER], who has just re- edge.of what we did and tell us wherein the talk I had with the distingUished turned from England. t think the House the Smith bill is drastic antilabor legis- chairman of the House Coinmittee on 9-460 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD--ROUSE· DECEMBER 5 _,

Agriculture, l · deferred making that national defense, with Mr. RAMSPECK tn 1Will be recalled that duripg the considera­ unanimous-consent request and asked the chair. tion of the draft extension bill I offered - that we would go over until Monday. The Clerk read the title of the bill. an amendment providing for transporta- · Certainly; if the Speaker has told Mem­ The Clerk read as follows: tion during furlough, but, as the amend­ ·bers definitely that the bill would not TRAVEL OF THE ARMY ment had not had wide discussion, it was come up until Monday, there is only one For travel of the Army, $10,000,000. not accepted at that time and I did not thing to do. If I had told one Member pre5s for a record vote in the House. 'it would not come up until Monday, I Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. Mr. Since that time, however, I submit to the woUld feel obligated to keep that prom­ Chairman, I offer an amendment. committee that there has been sufficient . ise, and under the circumstances I The Clerk read as follows: and wide discussion throughout the en­ think, in view of what the Speaker has Amendment offered by Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR tire country on this proposal of paying said, the bill should not come up today. . HALL: Page 3, line 10, strike out "$10,000,000" the boys' transportation· home on fur­ -The SPEAKER. Well, the bill wiil not and insert "$25,000,000." lough. I dare say that at this time there come up today. is not a Member of this House who has Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. Mr. not heard from some of the folks back· EXTENSION OF REMARKS Chairman, I ask unanimous consent that home urging each and every Member to Mr. GEARHART. Mr. Speaker, I ask I may proceed for an additional5 minutes consider the feasibility of paying these unanimous consent to extend my re­ in order to describe the meaning of this amendment. boys' transportation home. marks and include an article by Hon. _Mr. MAY. Mr. Chairman, will the gen­ William C. Bullitt, former Ambassador to The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection tleman yield? France. to the request of the gentleman from New York? Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. I yield. The SPEAKER. Is there objection? Mr. MAY. Let me say to the gentle- ­ There was no objection. There was no objection. Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. Mr. man that if I am properly informed, when Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Speaker, I ask he delivered his radio address he called unanimous consent to extend my re­ Chairman, in the appropriations called for in this bill we are taking some very on the country to write all of their Con­ marks and include therein two business gressmen about it;· and in view of the letters I have received- from Detroit. drastic steps, steps the House will re­ member for many years to come. I have fact that he has never asked the House The SPEAKER. Is there objection? Committee on Military Affairs for a hear­ There was no objection. consulted with various officials of the Vvar Department and have asked their ing, it has not come up. He has now filed Mr. BECKWORTH. Mr. Speaker, I a discharge petition on the desk. ask unanimous consent to extend my own opinion on different items in this bill and remarks in the RECORD and include a have examined various items under which Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. The statement I made before the House Com­ I could include furlough travel pay for gentleman is mistaken, because I have no mittee on Agriculture relative to aiding the 600,000 young men who are to be able discharge petition on the desk. I have farmers whose crops have failed. to go home on furlough this Christmas. purposely refrained from filing one be­ The SPEAKER. Without objection, it The committee will recall when I pre­ cause I felt that at this time it would be is so ordered. sented the Hall bill, H. R. 5922. Not appropriate to ask the House for this ac­ There was no objection. enough time has elaj)sed since then to tion. Mr. Chairman, I may say that the Miss RANKIN of Montana. Mr. enable the bill to be brought before the bill now under consideration calls upon Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to · House on a discharge petition and, as I the House to appropriate great sums of extend my own remarks in the RECORD have had no report from the Military money for the national defense and for and to include therein a resolution adopt- - Affairs Committee or the War Depart­ the defense of other nations which the ed by the Mountain States Association ment, I take this opportunity to present President deems necessary to designate. in their convention in Albuquerque. my amendment to this bill. According to one of the minority leaders The SPEAKER. Without objection, it Mr. ANDREWS. Mr. Chairman, will ­ I talked with last night, this bill provides is so ordered. the gentleman yield? at least a billion dollars for the President There was no objection. Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. I will -to dispose of as he sees fit. That is, for Mr. McCORMACK. Mr. Speak~, I yield a little later. I have 10 minutes. I the defense of other nations he deems ask unanimous consent that the gentle­ will greatly appreciate it if I may proceed. necessary for our defense. I propose at man from Pennsylvania [Mr. SNYDER] Mr. ANDREWS. I merely wanted to this time to give a small amount of that may be permitted to extend his remarks call the gentleman's attention to the fact $8,000,000,000 bill which we are now con­ in the RECORD. that his amendment would not be in sidering to the boys so that they may re­ The SPEAKER. Without objection, it order, the Committee on Military Affairs turn to their homes and their families is so ordered. not having authorized the expenditure. and see their loved ones during this There was no objection. Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. If I may Christmas holiday period. During recent Mr. McCORMACK. _ Mr. Speaker, I proceed, this amendment seeks to increase days in the press we have seen a great ask unanimous consent to extend my own by $15,000,000 the item for Army travel many items describing the President's remarks in the RECORD and include of $10,000,000 on page 3, line 10. The plan for a widespread, deliberate program therein an editorial. purpo~e of the amendment is to provide of defense of a vigilant nature which will The SPEAKER. Without objection, it transportation home during furlough for spread over the entire world, including is so ordered. · all those who will be granted furlough an expeditionary force of some 10,000,000 There was no objection. by the War Department this Christmas. men, to go to the continents of Asia According to the figures which have been Africa, and every other place throughout NATIONAL DEFENSE -SUPPLEMENTAL procured, it will run about 600,000 men. the wodd that is deemed necessary to APPROPRIATION BILL I have talked with various officials try­ take care of the situation. As a mother Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speaker, ing to get an estimate of the cost of such wrote me not long ago, this may be the I move that the House resolve itself into transportation and find the consensus is last chance that a great many of the the Committee of the Whole House on that the amount charged the United boys have to come home. This may be the state of the Union for the further States Government in case this amend­ the last opportunity the House may have consideration of the bill (H. R. 6159) ment is P,assed, will not be in excess of to go on record as being willing to pay making supplemental appropriations for · the 1% cents a mile the boys are now for the transportation of these boys to the national defense for the fiscal years charged. For this reason I am present­ their places of residence. ending June 30, 1942, and June 30, 1943, ing this amendment at this time and ask­ Mr. BROOKS. Will the gentleman and for other purposes. ing the House, as the last opportunity it yield? The motion was agreed to. will have to give these boys their trans­ Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. I yield Accordingly, the House resolved itself portation home, to consider it on a sane to the gentleman from Louisiana. into the Committee of the Whole House and wholesome basis. Mr. BROOKS. May I say that I am on the state of the Union for the further The members of the committee wei!' for the idea the gentleman expresses, but consideration of the bill H. R. 6159, -the know that _I have attempted to present when this was brought up before the supplemental appropriation bill for the the proposition on various occasions. It Military Affairs Committee we were or' 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9461 the opinion that there should be some The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection same consideration. If I supported the testimony taken as to the ·transportation to the request of the gentleman from Mis­ proposition, I would by no means limit facilities, and we looked for the gentle­ souri [Mr. CANNON]? it to $15,000,000. I would make it apply man so that we could get this informa­ There was no objection. to every man in the naval and military tion. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair­ service who received a furlough and who Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. If I man, I move that all debate on this para­ traveled home and could show evidence may proceed, I will answer the gentleman graph and all amendments thereto close that he had been home to see his folks. in this way: I have not had the opportu­ in 50 minutes, the last 10 minutes to be I would let it apply on that basis. That nity, I have not had the chance, nor has reserved for the gentleman from Virginia would be my general approach. the Military Affairs Committee had the [Mr. WOODRUM]. Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. Mr. opportunity to study this proposal be­ The motion was agreed to. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? cause of the time element; but there is no The CHAIRMAN. The Chair recog­ Mr. CRAWFORD. I yield to the gen­ question about the fact that the mandate nizes the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. tleman from New York. has been given by the people throughout CRAWFORD]. Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. In ref­ the United States, and they are more Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Chairman, as erence to the gentleman's remark about than anxious to see so"me action taken appealing as this motion is and as emo­ it applying to all the men in the service, at this time "so that the boys may have tional as the general approach is, I seri­ I submit that since 600,000 have already their way paid home during furlough for ously question the advisability of our pro­ been granted their furloughs they would Christmas. I submit that this is the only ceeding to enact such proposal into law. be eligible anyway, and this would em­ opportunity that we will have between If I was in a military camp today and one brace all of them. now and December 25 to carry out such of my buddies had a furlough to go home Mr. CRAWFORD. All right; but does proposal. and I could not go, if he had all of his this limit. it to that group? Mr. ANDREWS. Will the gentleman expenses paid, and I had to remain on Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. Yes. yield? duty and at some future time happened Mr. CRAWFORD. There is where I Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. I Yield to get a furlough and did go home and disagree with the proposition. I would to the gentleman from New York. then had to pay all my expenses, I would gladly support the amendment if you will Mr. ANDREWS. I would like to point have a first-class ground for complaint. make it apply to all the boys. out two or three things to the gentle­ If we are to establish a policy of paying [Here the gavel fell.] man, and I am sympathetic with his transportation home for the boys who The CHAffiMAN. The Chair recog­ idea in connection with this amendment. are given a furlough, let us make it a nizes the gentleman from Rhode Island I must say, however, I believe it unfair blanket proposition applying to all and [Mr. FoGARTY] in the last analysis to the veterans and not proceed with a lot of discriminatory Mr. FOGARTY. Mr Chairman, I in­ to the soldiers and to their families to tactics in the manner here presented. tend to support this amendment, and I associate the idea of a Christmas vaca- . Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. Will the informed the gentleman frr.>m New York tion with this. It is misleading because gentleman yield? over a week ago that I would support it is not assured that 600,000 men will Mr. CRAWFORD. I yield to the gen­ his amendment. be returned home. Christmas leaves tleman from New York. What amuses me, Mr. Chairman, is must be given at the convenience of the Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. No one that during the debate on the extension War Department and the Army. The is more 'anxious than I am to inaugurate of the Selective Service Act many Mem­ Military Committee has asked for a re­ such a policy, but unfortunately there is bers drew a comparison between the boys port on this bill. The Budget has not a limit to the time and for that reason in the camps getting $21 a month and yet reported on the matter. As soon as this is probably the last chance we will the men in industry making big wages. this is reported the Military Affairs have. In the debate on the antilabor bill that Committee will act upon it. It is a gross Mr. CRAWFORD. I see no limit to the passed the House this week, some of the mistake to associate the idea with a time whatsoever. This could be granted proponents of the bill drew the compari­ ·Christmas holiday, however. 15 years after the man dies in service, son between the boys in · the camps get­ . Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. Mr. as we often make grants to dependents ting only $21 a month and the men out­ Cl).airman, I cannot yield further. In the of soldiers, if he lost his life in the service. side getting large ·wages. They cried meantime, however, there is little time If he is given a furlough and he goes home, with horror at the thought of our boys left for consideration between now and at some future date when the Congress in camp.s being away from home and Christmas outside of the pending amend­ sees fit and a bill is enacted into law, family, with very little chance to get inent. I submit to the House this may he may be reimbursed at so much per mile back home-they viewed with alarm and be the last opportunity we will have to for that trip. were shaken to their foundations at the 8end these boys home for a furlough. I I have traveled many miles on expense threat to democracy. submit that according to the War De­ accounts, and I have had those expense I say to those who made those remarks partment about 600,000 men will be al­ accounts paid anywhere from 3 days to and those comparisons that if you meant what you said, then support this Hall ~ lowed to go home during this furlough 3 months after I ·incurred the expense, amendment, because this is the least you period, and I am simply speaking ·from so I see no time limitation whatever on can do to help those kids get home for information which I have received. It this proposition. Christmas. This is your chance to prove has been estimated that it would cost $30 If the boys want to ·go home for Christ­ your talk was not hypocrisy-that you a head. It may, but I am inclined to dis­ mas and can get a furlough, let them go are truthfully interested in democracy agree with that statement. It may not home. If they travel by hitchhiking and and that you had the welfare of these cost more than $25 per head to send thc:se incur no expenses of eonsequence, and boys at heart. boys home. I submit that in the event it later we pass a bill which gives them 2 Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. Mr. is not more expensive than that the $15,- cents a mile or 3 cents per mile coach Chairman, will the gentleman yield? 000 ,000 increase which I have provided fare, that can be made payable to them Mr. FOGARTY. I yield to the gen­ for by this amendment will be sufficient at some future date after Congress acts, tlewoman from Massachusetts. to take care of the half-million boys who and to cover the mileage traveled. ·· Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. I will go home. My principal objection to this amend­ wonder if the gentleman knows what has · Mr. Chairman, I ask the committee ment is the discriminatory approach it been done as far as the railroads are to give every consideration to my amend­ takes. As much as I like my friend from concerned. Are they willing to make ment. New York-I have been in his district, greater concessions in railroad fares? [Here the gavel fell.] I know some of his people, I knew he is That might help remove the objections Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair­ doing a grand job in representing them of some of the Members. man, I ask unanimous consent that all ·well, and they deserve all of that-to Mr. FOGARTY. I would be for any­ debate on this close in 10 minutes. · me this is a national proposition, and thing that would help the boys get home, Mr. ROBSION of Kentucky. Mr. every man now in the service or who may those that can get hoJDe. I would not Chairman, reserving the right to object, be called into the serviLe at some future care what legislation was advanced if it I would like to have a little time. date is involved and is entitled to the would help them get home for Christmas. LXXXVII--597 9462 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5 Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. Does Mr. FOGARTY. I yield to the gentle­ lease bill for seven billions was approved the gentleman believe the railroads would man from New York. ·on March 11, 1941. : If this bill becomes giVe them a lower rate? Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. In a law, then Congress will have voted to Mr. FOGARTY. They give them a answer to the gentleman may I say that give away $15,041;496,24.6 in less than 9 lower rate to some extent at the present there is an addition of $15,000,000 to the months. In other words, Congress has time-half a cent a mile or 1 cent a mile, $10,000,000 already in the bill. It was voted to give away a sum equal to $110 I think it is. mentioned in my argu-ment, and I spe­ for every man, woman, and child in Amer­ Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. cifically advised that it is my desire to iea in 9 months, and we are told that Frankly I do not believe the boys that see this money spent for Christmas fur­ there will be another big bill brought be­ could not go home would begrudge the loughs. If it is the sense of the House fore Congress early in 1942 providing boys that could go home the chance to go. to do this, and my amendment is adopted, other billions of lend-lease-give-away. During the. last war men who were se­ I believe the War Department will pro­ Everybody knows that none of this.money lected for especially dangerous duties ceed accordingly. will ever be paid back that we are giving did not complain because their comrades [Here the gavel fell.] to Russia, Turkey, China, Great Britain, did not have that duty to perform. The - Mr. ROBSION of Kentucky. Mr. and other countries. It is estimated that men are not as selfish as some would Chairman, I arise in support of the it will cost the Government on an average make them out to be. amendment offered to this bill by the not more than $25 to pay the transporta­ Mr. FOGARTY. No; I do not think so, gentleman from New York [Mr. EDWIN ,tion of our soldier boys from their camps either. ARTHUR HALL], which provides for an in­ to their homes and return. · Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. _ I crease of $15,000,000 for travel allowances The administration and the adminis­ should like to have them all go home. to pay the transportation of soldier boys tration's leaders were very active, and are Mr. FOGARTY. The main reason I from their respective camps to their now active, in taking fifteen billion or rose here today is to say that· I should homes on furlough. We must bear in more from the taxpayers of this country like t() see those kids get home for mind that tens of thousands of these sol­ and giving this vast sum to foreign coun­ Christmas; they deserve at least that dier boys receive only $21 per month. An tries, but the administration and the ad­ consideration. overwhelming majority of them are young ministration's leaders are here actively Mr. CANFIELD. Mr. Chairman, will men in very moderate circumstances, and opposing this amendment of our col­ the gentleman yield? · they come from families who are in very league the gentleman from New York Mr. FOGARTY. I yield to the gentle- moderate circumstances. A great ma­ [Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL], and they may man from New Jersey. · jority of them cannot pay their way home be able to defeat. it. How many of the Mr. CANFIELD. Is not this the first on their furloughs and neither can their Members who oppose paying /the trans­ all-American proposal that has been be­ families provide the money for that pur­ portation of our defenders to. visit their fore this House in many weeks? pose. They must take care of their in­ homes will accept mileage for themselves Mr. FOGARTY. It is; and we should surance premiums, laundry, -shaving in going to their homes after this session pass it with more speed than some of the equipment, soap, stamps, shows occa­ and in returning. on January 3, 1942, to previous measures got. sionally, and many other items of ex­ the new session of Congress? ·Mr. VAH ZANDT. Mr. Chairman, wilL pense so that at the end of each month _ I shall vote to recommit this bHI and the gentleman yield? the average soldier does not have any­ strike from it the $2,056,496,246 of the Mr. FOGARTY. I yield to the gentle­ thing left. In fact, he must deny himself lend-lease-give-away. There are many man from Pennsylvania. of the luxury of an occasional hamburger other objectionable features in the bill Mr. VAN ZANDT. The gentleman or hot dog. In thousands of instances but it is claimed ·that they are necessary knows that today a man in uniform, if he where these young. men are granted fur­ for our own national defense. I shall has a certificate from his commanding loughs to go home on a visit they niust vote for the six billion or more provided officer, can go to any ticket office on any thumb their way. I have picked up scores in this bill and then I shall have voted railroad in the United States and buy a of them along the public highways. for more than·fifty-six billion, every dol­ ticket at ·the rate of 1 cent a mile. Many of them are taken long distances lar that the President has asked from the Mr. FOGARTY. Either 1 cent a mile from their homes. Before they could Congress for the defense of this country ' or half a cent a mile. thumb their way to their homes_and . re­ and the Western Hemisphere. Mr. VAN ZANDT. One cent a mile. turn, their time of furlough would have Investigations now being conducted by Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Chairman, will expired. a Senate and House committee are dis­ the gentleman yield? Our young men are being transferred closing some sorqid conditions of. graft Mr. FOGARTY~ I yield to the gentle­ :hom time to time to places overseas, and and waste. I am afraid it will develop man from Michigan. every· one of them should have an oppor­ into a national scandal. When this bill Mr. CRAWFORD. Does the gentle­ tunity to visit his _home, his family, and passes, Congress, at the behest of the man favor limiting this only to the boys friends. The furlough \rill mean noth­ President, will have voted approximately who are gJing home on Christmas fur­ ing to the average soldier unless his $69,000,000,000 for the defense of our lough? Does not the amendment auto­ transportation is paid by the Govern­ own country and to give away to other matically limit it to that? ment. The Government can ·secure countries. What an enormous sum of Mr. FOGARTY. Yes; it does; that is transportation for the· soldiers and sail­ money this is. We now have 132,000,000 correct. ors at 1 cent a miler people in our country. This means that Mr. CRAWFORD. I think there is a I have received scores of appealing let­ Congress has voted in the name of na­ defect there in tqe amendment. ters from fathers and mothers urging me tional defense since July· 1, 1940, ·in less Mr. FOGARTY. I am going to support to vote for the Hall bill so that· it might than 18 months, more than $530 tor the gentleman's amendment as he has be possible for their sons to visit them._ I every man, woman, and· child in this put it before the House. If he should am happy to have an opportunity tore­ country, or more than $1,600 for the change it in the near future, I would go spond to their. appeal. average American family, and this is only along with him on any changes he makes. · The bill before us calls for approxi":' the beginning. This is more than twice A lot of my colleagues have been in favor . mately $8,300,000,000. Two billion fifty­ the cost of the other World War and of throwing money around all over the six million four hundred and ninety-six many billions more than double the as­ world to bring freedom and democracy thousand two hundred and forty-six dol­ sessed value of all the farm lands in the to the peoples of other nations; all right, lars may be given away by the President United States with the improvements but let us not be unwilling to pay the to Russia, Turkey, China, Great Britain, thereon. Yet the administration is fare of these boys who have homes and or any other country. Congress, but not fighting over a few million dollars in the families. We have a greater obligation with my vote, on the demand of the Presi­ Hall amendment to provide transporta­ to freedom and democracy here. Help dent, has heretofore voted approximately tion for our soldiers to visit their·· homes to preserve the finest thing there-is in thirteen billions· to give away to any - and their families, and is requiring the the world-the love of a boy for-his home. country or countries on the face of the American soldiers to serve for $21 to $30 Mr. EDWIN ARTUUR HALL. Mr. earth that the President desires to give per month. The administration. had re-· Chairman, will the gentleman yield? the money or equipment. The first lend- pealed the ·law limiting profits to be 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9463 made on Government contracts in the In September 1941 the high-ranking country has been greatly upset. It is just manufacture of munitions of war and we officers of the Army and Navy made their the beginning. The end can mean noth­ are now told that some of these concerns report in writing. This report was like­ ing less than bankruptcy and ruin and are making as much as 250 percent profit. wise printed on yesterday. Some few the loss of our own liberties and freedom. Lobbyists, fly-by-night brokers, and have attempted to deny it for the Presi­ Millions of loyal Americans are appeal­ others .are dipping deep into these bil~ dent, but the President has not denied it, ing to this administration and to Con­ lions. I have never thought it was just and no one in authority has denied it. gress to preserve democracy on this side and fair for one part of our population The papers report that the Secretary of the Atlantic and Pacific and preserve to do all of the sacrificing and the other of .War and Secretary of the Navy have this fine heritage of our wonderful coun­ part take all of the profits. set on foot an investigation to find out try for our own children and not dissi­ INCREASE THE PAY OF OUR SERVICE MEN who let the secret out. The President pate it in fruitless qunrels and wars We take the flower of the young man­ did not ask his Army and Navy leaders throughout the world. hood of the Nation and put them into the as to whether or not we ought to go to If Mr. HALL's amendment is defeated, Army -at $21 per month-70 cents a day. war; he wanted to know what number tens of thousands of American soldiers At the end of 4 months we increase it to of men and how much equipment it would will be denied the privilege of visiting $30 per month-$1 a day. This includes . require to win the war. Make no mis­ · their parents and their homes unless the some of our very best young farmers, take about it, the President, long ago", Senate, when the bill comes to them, young businessmen, lawyers, teachers, determined in his own mind, in my opin­ amends it and puts this provision in the carpenters, machinists, painters, me­ ion, to take this country into the Euro­ bill. chanics, and other skilled workers, while pean-Asiatic-African wars if it was pos­ Mr. WILSON. Mr. Chairman, I merely others remain at home and, with less in­ sible for him to do so. rose and objected to the limiting of de­ telligence, skill, or abifity, receive $7, $10, This Board made up of the high rank­ bate on the amendment, not because I and perhaps more, per day, with time ing admirals and generals of the ArmY, expected to speak on the amendment and one-half for overtime and double aided by Hon. Harry L. Hopkins, stated myself, but because I was very much in­ time for Sundays and holidays. On the in substance in their report, I am in­ terested in hearing the amendment de­ other hand, the soldier and sailor ·must formed, that it would require 10,000,000 bated. It seems that every time a pro­ be subject to call 24 hours a day and 7 soldiers and sailors and the plan is for posal comes before this House for days to the week. He receives no extra our soldiers and sailors to carry on the something that is pro-American, some­ pay for overtime or for Sundays . or war in Europe, Asia, and Africa, and the thing for our own boys, the cry goes up holidays. islands of .the seas. In other words, if to limit the time for debate-anything to War has resolved itself into a great the President can have his way, our ships defeat the measure. That has been the game of machines, skill, and intensive and our men will be fighting in every case with many proposals that have been training. The soldier must be able to­ part of the globe, and the main purpose brought before this House since I have handle powerful and complicated ma­ ls to save the British Empire. It will cost been here. Someone suggested that WG chines and vehicles. Our armies must anywhere from $125,000,000,000 to $150,- have not had time to get a report on the be mechanized through and through, and 000,000,000. It is planned to start the Hall bill. Let me tell you what my ex­ the instrumentalities of war must be great push on or about July 1, 1943. perience ·has been in getting . reports. handled by physically fit, well-trained, We can begin now to see why the War The Federal Government literally stole Department has bought enough clothing, so much property from the taxpayers in and skilled men. my district. They admitted the property We should be willing to pay these phys­ shoes, hats, caps, and other equipment for an Army of 10,000,000 men. Many of was stolen-not in so many words-but ically fit, skilled, and trained men such us have charged that the purpose of the they refused to do anything about it. I salaries as would induce them to adopt appropriation of these billions and the introduced a bill to take care of the situ­ some branch of our defense service as a passage of these various measures had ation; and what kind of a report does career. They should not ·be required to but one object in mind, and that was for the committee get back on the bill? This render this unusual service, leave their this Nation to engage in this world-wide is what they said: "It is not in keeping homes, their families, and friends for 70 conflict on such a gigantic scale as was with the President's policy." Since when, cents a day or $1 a day and about one­ never dreamed of by man in all history. I ask you, did legislation always have to fifth as much as many common laborers Congress and the people alone can pre­ be in keeping with the President's policy? receive remaining at their homes with vent our involvement in this long, bloody If that is not dictatorship, I do not know their families and required to work not war. Let us assert as we have many times what it is. more than 8 hours per day. that no one has threatened to invade the Mr. VANZANDT. Mr. Chairman, will There are a number of measures before United States or any of our possessions. the gentleman yield? Congress now that provide for substan­ In fact, no country has laid the weight of Mr. WII...SON. Yes; I yield to my good tial increase in the pay of our soldiers, a finger upon any American or the rights friend from Pennsylvania. sailors, and marines. I hope that we of any American, but the President has Mr. VANZANDT. Does the gentleman will be given an opportunity to. vote for had our ships and our men to go thou­ think for a moment that the American some of these bills and give substantial sands of miles to the war and butt into taxpayers would ·refuse to pay this increase in pay to our defenders. · it. Americans have no direct interest in amount of money for the boys to be sent THE SECRET IS OUT the Burma Road in southern Asia, and home? We have been told by the President and neither our citizens nor their rights are Mr. WII...SON. Certainly not; they his leaders from time to time that the involv~d in Thailand in southern Asia. would be glad to do it. When I think repeal of the neutrality law, the exten­ Why are we butting into those remote of the thousands of dollars that were sion of the draft, passage of the lend­ countries nearly 8,000 miles from our own spent just the other day to launch the lease bills, and other similar measures country? They lie adjacent to the Brit­ .battleship Indiana at Newport News­ were in defense of the United States and ish possessions on the Malay Peninsula yes; dollars spent to buy champagne for the Western Hemisphere and to keep us in southern Asia, and at the end of the high-salaried officials to imbibe freely, from being involved as active belligerents Malay Peninsula is the great British naval and also to indulge in feasting-then I in the European-Asiatic-African wars. base of Singapore. We are simply trying wonder how in the world anyone could But the secret is now out. Consternation to help save Singapore ·and the British object to a few dollars for these boys who was created in the Nation's Capital on Empire, and I shudder to think what this are sacrificing-yes; preparing to die­ yesterday, December 4, 1941, when the far-flung war policy of the administra­ for this country. Who is going to do the Times-Herald of Washington, D: C., tion will do to our country. Before it is fighting? Mr. Chairman, if we adjourn, published a letter of the President dated over this country will furnish its full we will get 20 cents per mile to go home July 1941 to the Secretary of War in quota of blood, tears, and suffering. Its for Christmas. How can we refuse these which he called upon the Secretary of national debt and national obligations boys 1 cent per mile? War and others to make an investigation now are far above $70,000,000,000 and be­ Mr. H. CARL ANDERSEN. Mr. Chair­ and report the number of men and the fore it is over it may be one hundred and man, will the gentleman yield? amount of equipment necessary to defeat . fifty billion. The industrial, economic, Mr. WILSON. Yes; to my distin­ ·the German Arniy in Europe. social, and financial structure of our guished colleague from Minnesota. 9464 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5- Mr. H. CARL ANDERSEN. It is well and cards from my constituents. In fact, men who are willing to give a billion dol­ to remember at this point that this I .have more letters from people favoring lars to Russia without the scratch of a $15,000,000 is just 1 percent of the this legislation than I have about any pen, without saying anything about it to $1,500,000,000 included in this bill for ·other legislative matter. us in the Congress, or $2,000,000,000 as lend-lease to other nations. Surely we [Here the gavel fell.] provided in this bill for lend-lease, or a are not going to be picayunish and re- The CHAIRMAN. The Chair recog- total of over $60,000,000,000 over all for fuse to allocate these $15,000,000 to our nizes the gentleman from Oregon [Mr. war purposes, would then draw the line OWn boys. ANGELL]. and say, "We will not allow a measly Mr. WILSON. Yes; and only one-fifth Mr. ANGELL. Mr. Chairman, this · $15,000,000 to let these boys in uniform of 1 percent of the entire appropriation. amendment providing funds for soldiers' have a little respite from their training Mr. Chairman, when I think of giving furloughs is important to my district, be­ service and go home over the holiday for ali this money to Russia and England cause we live so far removed from the a short furlough." In this connection, and think of the Members in this House centers where many of these boys are in -we should remember that when we called who have, under false pretenses, voted training. It is 3,000 miles from where -I these boys to training service we told to send these boys to war, and who just am now speaking to where I live in Port­ them it would be for only 1 year. Wednesday voted against all-out produc- land, Oreg. In passing from Washing­ After getting them into the service we tion of arms to defend their lives, I won- ton to my home, usually by automobile, scratched the agreement and extended der how they can go home and face their I find many, many of these men in uni­ their term a year and a half. It looks people. I did not vote to put these boys form trudging along the road with their now that before the service is over they into war; but, thank God, I voted to pro- thumbs up wanting a free ride. I always will be sent overseas or to bases on the duce everything possible for our. money accede to their requests and speak to fringe of or. beyond the-Western Hemi- with which they may defend their lives them about conditions in the camps. If sphere. ' · and.this country. there is one thing more than any other Mr. Chairman, I urge the adoption of The CHAIRMAN. The time of the that is in their hearts today it is an op- the amendment. gentleman from Indiana has expired. portunity to go home for a little visit, [Here the gavel fell.] The Chair recognizes the gentleman whether it is for the Christmas holidays Mr: CAMP. Mr. Chairman, this is not from Oklahoma [Mr. WICKERSHAM]. or any other time. · a sentimental :matter. In my humble Mr. WICKERSHAM. Mr. Chairman, I had a letter today from a young man opinion, I think it is one of the most im.: I rise in support of this amendment. I from my district in the_service calling portant items we shall have under con­ feel. that when we spend $34,000,000 for attention to the fact that in all likelihood sideration today. We have not provided a War Department building just across they would be called overseas, probablY. in the w~ge or salary we pay to a drafted the ·river we ought to be able to spend beyond the Americas, although it is true man a sufficient sum for him to save half an amount representing only a small that the law as enacted by us provides enough to pay his way home when he g·ets percentage of that amount t.c let the boys that they shall not go beyond 'the West-. a furlough. Having served for 2 years in come home, where they have left their ern Hemisphere. If we can afford to an army; I know something of the value mothers, their fathers, their. wives, spend, as we are, some $60,000,000,000· for to morale of these furloughs home. You· brothers, sisters, and _their sweethearts. carrying ._out this. .all-out defense .pro-_ cannot train a man ·when he is not in the Let us -send them back home for Christ- , gram, is it not .within the rule of reason proper frame of mtrid to receive-training: mas. I have been here only 8 months. that we can spend a small stipend of Last week I was discussing 'this sarp.e However, I have voted for . all necessary $15,000,000' to permit these boys on their subject with-three or 'four officers -in o:he defense appropriations. This Congress r.egular furloughs to·go to their homes to of the big training camps in. Georgia." is spending $60,000,000,000. I feel that keep up their morale and their families' , One of them said, "CAMP, somebody up is a necessary part of defense to allow at home? Certainly they cannot do it on. there suggested that we pay the boys' these young men at least an opportunity . $21 a mo.nth. What surprises me more railroad fare home if they can get fur-· to. go home for a short interval. This ' than anything else is that anyone here laughs Christmas." - He said; "That tning. will pay thei-r mileage, and I know.we can· 1 would raise his v.oice against. it; that the ' has been · discl!ssed ·in the camps more· get a rate of 1 cent per mile. · chairman of the committee having this than anything else,·and I hope you do it.­ We have had two Thatiksgivings · at bill in charge would, in effect·, block the It will' do a lot .for their morale." -· · - home ourselves . . Why can we not ·give way to allowing $15,000,000 for an addi~ Let me call you'r attention to the fact the boys at least one CP,rist~as at home? _ tiona! appropriation 'for these boys to go that the armies of Europe-give their bOys· I want -to tell you Members, whether hom·e. ~ Democrats or· Republicansr you should . · Mr. O'CONNOR. Mr. Chairman, will furloughs at stated intervals,.sometimes. ~s frequently as every 3 months. They vote for thi.s amendment~ . 1 am not -get:. · the gentleman yield? ting _up. here .as a: demagogue. Most ·of : _ Mr: ANGELL. I yield to the gentleman· pay the boys' transportation ·home and my soldier-boy friends are close enough from Montana. . . _. ~et them ~stay .7 days,. then pay their' way: to home to· be able to come home, but Mr. O'CONNOR. I want to say to the back; We are lending to those ~rniies some of them are not. This amendment gentleman I am heartily in accord with under the lease-lend program, and they will provide for transportation of the sol_. everything· he has said. I think it is a are _doing this thing suggested by . the diers to their respective homes on their mighty good amendment, and I am going pending _amendment. I think it is as lit-· Christmas furlough; Let us vote for this to vote for it. tle as we can do to provide railroad fare amendment. Mr." ANGELL. I hope that not only will for the boys to go home Christmas,- and I · Mr. HAINES. -Mr.• Chairman, will the · this amendment proposed by_the gentle- am going to support it. , .. Mr. CRAWFORD. Mi. Chairman, will' gentleman yield? ·. ~ · man from New York [Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR Mr. WICKERSHAM .. I yield. -_ HALl.] pass by a large majority but that the. gentleman ·yield? · · · - Mr. HAINES: Does the · gentleman we will almost-unanimously, lf not unan­ : Mr. . CAMP. I ·yield. , . think this would contribute to the morale imou5ly, approve the measure allowing Mr. CRAWFORD. Would the gentle­ of the boys in the camps? · $15,000,000 out of probably the $100,000,_. man support a proposition to adopt a pol­ · Mr. WICKERSHAM .. I think it. will 000,000 we will expend before we are re­ icy that we allow all men who are given· not only contribute to the morale of the lieved. from duty in the Seventy-seventh furloughs, whenever that time may be, to boys in the camps but to the entire·Nation Congress to per·mit these boys to go home hu.ve travel expense -heme? as Well. . .. . PIJ. a little furlough. As tl):ey ~ave said; : Mr. CAMP: Yes. - Mr: - HAINES. - And the folks back possibly it will be the last·furlough ·many /, -Mr·: CRAWFORD. ··· I think -that is·-the home? of them will have for a long; long time. I weakness of this proposition. · Mr. WICKERSHAM. Yes. personally want to commend the gentle- Mr. CANFIELD. I do, too; but .we Mr. HAINES. I presume the gentle.;; man .from ·New York, my colleague [Mr. cannot-let all the boys go ·at once. Those. man has received some letters from-the EDWIN . ARTHUR HALL], in his insistenae; who· do not ·go Christmas should be al- folks at ·nome asking him to support this . in time arid' out of tiine, that we· make : lowed to have furloughs: soori afterward. . legislation? . : this modest provision'.forour men:in·uni­ -I think: the War ·Department should: - · Mr:WIQKERSR.l\M. -. ~es. -~ I l)a:v.. e r_e,-;. form. -~ A~ _ I ; s~ig a_. moment a'go;-the &Ur~ . adopt.: SU.CQ - ~- PO~iCY- .:Without ~legislation. : Geived. ·a _consitle:rable ~ number of ' '}etter~ prisirtg ~h~ng : to· me: 1~ -tha.t:tliese- g¢ntie.~ [Here. the_-- ga:vel: feU~ ] -. :·~ :. -~~ ...... _ ·, . 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9465 The CHAIRMAN. The Chair recog­ of selectees it was stated that the War men are not getting the contracts nizes the gentleman from Pennsylvania Department proposed establishing a new th,rough their efforts-if these orders [Mr. VAN ZANDT]. policy of transferring the soldiers or would come regardless of whether or Mr. VANZANDT. Mr. Chairman, for . regiments from one camp tc another to not they were on the scene-then they many years it was my privilege to serve give them a little sightseeing so that the are impostors of the worst sort. They as an enlisted man in the armed forces morale of the men would be improved. are extorting money under false pre­ of our country and I spent the Christmas If you want to boost the morale of the tenses. I here and now want to call a holiday period sometimes five or six armed forces today, give them $25 and spade a spade-that is what they ac­ thousand miles from home; therefore, I let them go home for Christmas, and tually are doing. understand how it feels to be away from they will return to their posts with re­ We must have faith in the men' in our home and the family fireside during the newed vigor and confidence. Government. I am not asking for a holiday period. In the interest of the Mr. HAINES. Will the gentleman blind and unreasoning trust. I ·know young men who make up the armed yield? that most of these men in key positions forces, and their families, I heartily sup­ Mr. VANZANDT. I yield to the gen­ have proved themselves well and con­ port the amendment offered by the gen­ tleman from Pennsylvania. tinue to acquit themselves in an honest tleman from New York. Mr. HAINES. Is it not true that many and patriotic manner. That is why Ire­ As you travel over the country almost of our Pennsylvania boys are quite a sent the presence of the contract lobby­ every weekend you find a soldier or sailor distance from home? I have some com­ ist and salesman, the "profit patriot," or marine on the highway asking for a munications from our boys down in who slyly implies a corruptness on the ride. Naturally you pick him up. Gen­ Texas and they do not see how they can part of officialdom. The facts are other.: erally you find that he is on his way to get home for the holidays. wise. visit his mother, dad, or sweetheart. You Mr. VAN ZANDT. That is correct. I have a testimonial in my possession ask him whether he has any money. The Pennsylvania boys are at Camp which I want to bring to the attention Some are too modest to tell the truth, Shelby, Miss., Fort Benning, Ga., Fort of this House-yes, more publicly to the but the majority of them are without Bragg, N.C., and in various·other States, whole Nation. Sensational charges may money. while many are in the far islands of the make better reading and may be more The soldier, sailor, and marine of today Pacific, and they all want to come home avidly followed in the press, but here is is in a similar position to those of us for the Christmas season. This may be a tribute to the men of the Maritime the last Christmas many ·of these boys Commission which should warm the who served during the first World War. hearts of all Americans with any amount During 1917-18 we had war-risk insur­ will spend in the United States, and I ance, just like the young men today have can think of no finer contribution to the of idealism and faith in their Govern~ morale of our armed forces than to give ment. All too often officials hear only national life insurance. We were told from the critical and never kindliness to take a $10,000 policy and we took it. them a trip home. [Here the gavel fell.J from the appreciative. There was deducted from our pay on the I want to quote these remarks of Mr. first of every month $6.60. Then in ad­ The CHAffiMAN. The Chair recog­ dition we were urged to buy a Liberty nizes the gentleman from Wisconsin Clarence Skamser, secretary of the Globe [Mr. GEHRM/1NNJ. Shipbuilding Co., of Superior, Wis. This bond, just like the young men are today company is comparatively new and is being implored to buy defense bonds. Mr. GEHRMANN. Mr: Chairman, I rise in · support of the pending amend­ beginning on a contract negotiated with There was deducted from our pay on the Maritime Commission. · I have al­ the first of the month $10 as our monthly ment to provide $15,000,000 to pay trans­ portation for our soldiers who receive ways had a great amount of respect for - payment_ on the Liberty bond. Then Admiral Land and his men, so·I am most we were told further, if ·we had any de­ leave for Christmas. I certainly hope it will pass. I cannot see how anyone happy to make public this letter of com- pendents at home, just like the young mendation: · men are today, that we should send an could afford to vote against it. Many of aUotment back home. So the average our boys cannot get home if they have We learned many things during our long fellow sent an allotment back home that to pay their own transportation. stay in your city, but the one that makes us I really had intended to talk about feel best is the first-hand knowledge we have amounted to about $15 a month. As a gained in respect to the workings· in the rule on the first of the month many something else, but it is right in line with Commission. soldiers, sailors, and marines during the this matter. I believe I can show how It's an agreeable surprise to learn that all period of the World War actually found we could save more than what is in­ we heard is not true and to find that the men themselves in debt to Uncle Sam to the volved here by doing something about making up the Commission are as straight extent of $1.60. When a furlough was the lobbyists that are infesting this city thinking and as aboveboard as any group we offered them they had no money to travel and the amount of money that it cost know. Even though we had not received our the Government. That is what I in­ award, we · could not help but have the high­ on. They stayed in their camps or est regard for them. aboard ship. Many of the young men tended t(l talk about. Mr. Chairman, a few days ago I called We appreciate, too, why you advised today find it impossible to get home to against political intervention. After all, it visit loved ones because of the deduc­ the attention of the House to Resolution was up to us to prove to them that we could tions and other obligations that they No! 347, which I introduced calling for do the job, and ae long as we got an even have as a soldier, sailor, or marine in our the appointment of a select committee to break with the other yards, we could have no armed forces. So by adopting this investigate the activities of lobbyists and complaint. And that is exactly as it should be. to recommend to this body legislation to amendment you simply provide we will Mr. Chairman, this man was here for say on an average about $25 to send these outlaw the "defense broker" and com­ mission agent of defense contracts. If several weeks while negotiating with the soldiers, sailors, and marines home to see Commission~ He was heckled and pes.:. their mothers, dads, or sweethearts. we· cannot exterminate him from the scene, at least require registration and tered by men who represented that they · Mr. ALLEN of Louish:ma. Will- the some kind of regulations under which could secure results for a stipulated fee­ gentleman yield? they must declare themselves and under that they had connections through which Mr. VAN ZAND'r. I yield to the gen- which their operations must be governed. they could work. Their proffered help tleman from Louisiana. . I said then that their existence here was spurned; the Globe Co. went directly Mr. .ALLEN of Louisiana. · ~any of implied that all was not well with our to the Commission. They found the men these boys, perhaps more than half of system. That was the easy inference to there preeminently fair and honest; they them, come from · home~ that· are abso­ draw. These men are being paid sal­ dealt with them in an open and straight­ lutely unable to get up the -money -to aries and fees amounting to a king's ran­ forward manner and were awarded a send for the boys? som for supposedly using their influence contract. Mr. VANZANDT. That is correct. and contacts to get contracts for. a fa­ Pe~sonally, I want to add that I know Mr. ALLEN of Louisiana. They have vored few. Suits are cropping up and the Army and NavY are employing the no~ the money and these ·boys ought to are now pending to collect these fees for same fair tactics in dealing with industry. haV,e the chance to come home.? ' ostensibly delivering millions of dollars' I am sure that the procurement officers Mr. VANZANDT. Yes: The member- worth of defense orders. · of ~II _dep~rtments will welcome legisla.:. ship of this House will recall that· during There is only one other conclusion, and tion removing the order solicitors for the discussion relative to the retention that is the one I chose to adopt. If these profit. · 9466 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5 I want to again remind this body that as we do? Do they not want to preserve the boys that they could never reach at this resolution has no bearing on the the morale as much as we do?' I think so. Christmas time. That is reason No. 1. legitimate officials of corporations doing They have not approved of this. Reason No. 2 is that .this will not be­ defense work, nor to the legislative rep­ You desire to raise this travel expense come a law, perhaps, and be signed by resentatives appearing on behalf of pend­ item from $10,000,000 to $25,000,000 for the President before the 18th or 20th of ing bills. this purpose, and it more than dou­ December, entirely too late for the ad­ This shows that the defense workers bles this appropriation. You complain ministrative machinery to be put into who are peddling pap about being the about witnesses being ejected by other effect to give anybody the benefit of such fair-haired fixers are sailing under false speakers. I will not try to be frivilous provisions. colors. The companies that hire them about this matter. I am very serious. Let me say in all seriousness, without must .add their exorbitant · fees to the However, no matter how you vote, I any effort to be flippant or to ridicule this contract price, and the American tax­ want you to remember this little quota­ suggestion, that this is a thing about payer has to pay the bill. Why should tion. It came to my attention last which we might work up a good deal of the people ·of the Nation skimp and save evening: mushy sentiment. We might even arouse to buy bonds while we allow part of the Here's to you, as good as you are; ourselves to the point of having a little money to be paid to the bogus defense And here's to me, as bad as I am; Christmas tree down on the table here, broker? We here in Congress haye a duty But as good as you are, and as bad as I am, and maybe singing a few Christmas to perform. This cancerous condition I'm as good as you are, as bad as I am. carols as we pass this amendment. must be excised from our national eco­ Surely I need not feel that I am less Mr. Chairman, we are engaged in a nomic picture. They are mere confi­ appreciative of our soldiers than you. serious and grim business. I have been dence men working under the guise of This is ineffective legislation and we to some of these camps and I find these trained business agents. They are get­ should not deceive ourselves or them. men in the camps to be not little boys ting money under false pretenses. They [Here the gavel fell.] who want rattles handed to them at are selling America short. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair recog­ Christmas time but grim, hardened [Here the gavel fell.] nizes the gentleman from Virginia [Mr. American citizens who are being trained 'Ihe CHAIRMAN. The Chair recog­ WOODRUM]. . for the grim and serious business of nizes the gentleman from Massachusetts Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair­ answering the call to service if that call [Mr. GIFFORD]. man, I move that the Committee do now comes. Mr. GIFFORD. Mr. Chairman, this is rise, and on that I demand tellers. I am willing to vote every dollar out of not a pleasant subject to discuss or op­ Tellers were ordered, and the Chair the United States Treasury and more be­ pose. I was selected by the minority side appointed as tellers Mr. CANNON of Mis­ sides if it is necessary to give these young to watch public expenditures. I, too, S'1uri and Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. men equipment, training, preparation, want to save the morale of our boys. I The Committee divided; and the tellers and protection; but do not let us start voted not to keep them in over a year :reported that there were-ayes 13, noes pinning any bouquets on them; do not let because of morale, as I found it, and I 91. us apply any softening process. Aside feel that I was more closely associated So the motion was rejected. from that, and speaking of morale, what with them than most of you. I live Mr. TABER. Mr. Chairman, will the could you do today that could be a more within a few miles of a large camp. gentleman yield? serious blow at the morale of the armed I will tell you what the boys really Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. I yield forces of America than to adopt this -want, and if the gentleman wHl sugg,est to the gentleman from New York. amendment? It applies only to the Army. what the boys really desire, I will vote Mr. TABER. I have been reading Think that over, if you please. The bill for it. I have asked those boys over and about it in the newspapers and I have the gentleman has introduced and this over again what they most desire and it been talking to the railroad people about amendment apply only to the Army. is always "transportation out of camp." handling this Christmas crowd. I un­ Mr. WILSON. Mr. Chairman, will the That is their great desire when any pe­ derstand the railroads now have all the gentleman yield? . riod of leave is theirs. They now have cars that are available lined up to take Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. No; not to walk, usually many miles, to any vil­ the boys home who have already been now. lage or facilities of the United Service provided for and given furloughs, and it Mr. WILSON. The Army boys are the Organizations. I take some. of them in would be absolutely impossible to trans­ only ones that have been drafted; the my car very often. Whenever I leave port any more, except in freight cars. others volunteered. home for the larger part of my district I Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. I have Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. I do not drive through a camp and I am nearly no doubt but that that is the correct situ­ yield to the gentleman. always accompanied by soldiers. I feel ation. Who are the American boys today that that I know what they want. Amend Mr. Chairman, there are many reasons are already under fire? They are in the this so as to give them transportation why this amendment should not be Navy and in the Marine Corps and in the out of camp and we will be doing some­ adopted. For the benefit of those mem­ Coast Guard. They cannot even get fur­ thing. Why the Army cannot furnish bers of the Committee who are not in the loughs home. The boys on the ships that transportation for short trips in and out Hall, I may say that the amendment is are engaged in the Atlantic patrol, who of camp I cannot understand. Of course, an amendment offered by the gentleman are already in the thick of this thing, this suggestion is most appealing, but we from New York to the item "Travel" and whose families do not know what all know that it is only a gesture. There under· the Army appropriation, increas­ morning they may pick up the paper and is yet no authority to use the money and ing the amount from $10,000,000 to $25,- read the sad news about them, not only it is very impracticable. 000,000, the avowed purpose being to pro­ cannot get furloughs home but when their Nearly everybody travels at Christmas vide funds with which members of the ships get i-nto the ports they cannot get time. Railroad facilities are not avail­ Army might have their railroad fare furloughs off the ships to. go home be­ able. I do not want those boys taken home Christmas if they got a furlough. cause we are in a serious, grim business. home in cattle trains. Perhaps they In the first place, let me say that the Now, pick. out the boys· who have been would be willing to do it. However, the amendment would not accomplish its drafted and who have been selected for last time I went home there were four purpose even if we adopted it. Merely training, a training that is benefiting boys on the train, and they were com­ to put the money in the bill would not them every day they serve there. plaining because, they said, "We are accomplish the purpose, for two reasons: - Every man in this House regretted the soldiers and we cannot get decent ac­ One is that the Army d.oes not have the necessity for having to pass a conscrip­ commodations because we are soldiers." legislative authority to spend any funds tion bill. No one wanted to do that. It You would send some boys home and which they have for the purpose of pay­ had to be done, but those boys are get­ you could not send all. Of course, many ing transportation home for enlisted men ting better treatment, better protection, must remain in the camps. We have nq in the Army on furlough. So .unless ac­ better care than the gentleman from report from the Army officials as to what ·companying the appropriation of this Pennsylvania [Mr. VAN ZANDT] and his they could do if authorized. Do they money you would pass legislation, this colleagues received who served in the not Jove their soldiers as much as we do? would ~ purely an idle gesture, and you World War, because we are trying to do Do they not want to please them as much would be holding out a golden apple to everything that we can to provide for 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9467 their comfort and their safety. How can . Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. Yes. Panamanians insist upon following the we justify selecting one small group and Mr. RICH. If we make some provision continental system of driving to the left conferring this upon them? Only a small for the welfare of our own soldiers, would of the road. It results in a great deal of portion of the men who are conscripted it not be a whole lot better than to ap­ confusion, a great many accidents, and it will get a furlough home. What are you propriate a billion and a half dollars in causes a great deal of expense in the going to do with the rest of them? Can this bill that the President can do- as he changing over of automobiles. It has you justify giving one boy $25 or $30 to pleases with, to give to TUrkey, like some seen~ed to me that Panama ought to con­ go home, with a furlough, and saying to of the north countries? form to the rest of the countries in North another boy, "You not only cannot have Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. Every and South America and use the right­ your furlough but you cannot have the dollar that we spend of this lend-lease hand drive the same as her neighbors do. $30?" What does that do for morale? money which can be spent by Great Some suggestion was made while I was Where are you going to stop it? What Britain, Russia, TUrkey, or any other na­ there that if the United States was going are you going to do for the boys in the tion is just that much' nearer preventing to contribute most of the cost for con­ veterans' hospitals? They would like to us from the necessity of having to have structing this highway it would be the go home for Christmas. Ought we not these boys fight with the guns that we appropriate antl courteous thing for the · give them a ticket home? Oh, I plead are putting in their hands. Panamanians. to adjust their custom to with you gentlemen, let us scrape the Mr. RICH. Has the Committee on that of most of the other countries of the bottom of the United States Treasury Appropriations ever had anybody come two continents. While it might be that for anything that calls for equipment, or from these foreign countries to tell the we might tie a condition upon this par­ paraphernalia, protection, or for ·their Committee on Appropriations that they ticular appropriation to require that that ph¥sical being or mental equipment or needed this money to spend, in order to be done before the appropriation would · their health or anything else, but do not help them? be available, that probably would inter­ let us make this a mushy, soft, senti­ Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. Oh, no; fere with the construction of the high­ mental propo.sition that we are · going and if we had the gentleman from Penn­ way, so I am not offering an amendment into. sylvania would be the first one to get on to that effect. But I do take this occa­ Mr. MAY. Mr. Chairman, will the gen­ the :floor of the House and say the Com­ sion to call attention to the situation and tleman yield? mittee on Appropriations is having to express the hope that the Panaman­ Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. Yes. foreigners coming over here to run our ians, in appreciation of the gold mine Mr. MAY. I suggest to the gentleman business. we are providing them in all the con­ that the situation is so serious in England Mr. RICH. Yes; because I am · for struction activities in the building of this that they are now drafting women. America first, I want' to help America and highway and other improvements now Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. Yes. I do not want to do all I can to help going on, that they will conform to the Mr. VANZANDT. Mr. Chairman, w111 these European fellows. custom of most of the Americas. the gentleman yield? The CHAffiMAN. The time of the [Here the gavel fell.] Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. Yes. gentleman from Virginia has expired. Mr. HOOK. Mr. Chairman, I move to Mr. VAN ZANDT. I have an amend­ All time has expired. The question is on strike out the last two words. - ment that· I would like to offer at the the amendment offered by the gentleman Mr. HOOK. Mr. Chairman, during proper time to take care of the men in from New York. the World War our serviCe men rode free the Navy and in the Marine Corps. And The question was taken; and on a divi­ because of the fact the Government took one more comment, and that is that as sion (demanded by Mr. •EDWIN ARTHUR over the railroads. I believe it would be far as those who are confined in the vet­ HALL), there were-ayes 62, noes 88. a worthy gesture of this Government, erans' hospitals are concerned, the vet­ Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL. Mr. which is so benevolent to foreign coun­ erans of the World War, and the Ameri­ Chairman, I demand tellers. tries and foreign service men, to at le-ast can Legion, and others will take care of Tellers were ordered, and the Chair give free transportation to our own boys them and the veterans will get a ticket appointed Mr. EDWIN ARTHUR HALL and in service so they may enjoy the com­ to their homes at Christmas. Mr. CANNON of Missouri to act as tellers. ·pany of their fathers, mothers, wives, Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. That is The Committee again divided; and the and friends at Christmas. I was in hopes what they should do, and we should do tellers reported there were-ayes 80, the amendment would pass, and voted everything that we can for those boys in noes 127. accordingly. the camps. The gentleman from Penn­ So the amendment was rejected. Mr. RICH. Mr. Chairman, I move to sylvania has a bill pending before the The Clerk read as follows: strike out the last three words. Mr. Chairman, this is an appropria­ Committee on Military Affairs. There CHORRERA AND RIO HATO ROAD, REPUBLIC OF will be a hearing on, and the report will PANAMA tion of $173,000 for the Panamanian be had from the Department, and they To enable the United States to cooperate highway, which might be deemed very will undoubtedly work out if they can with the Republic of Panama in connectic;m advisable. It might be a good-neighbor something that will not show partialities with the construction of a highway between · policy, but we have discussed with Can­ and put us in the position of having Chorrera and Rio Hato in the Republic of ada the advisability of constructing a passed half-baked ill-considered dis­ Panama, fiscal year 1942, $873,000, to remain highway between the United States and criminatory legislation. available until expended and to be additional Alaska. We do not have any develop­ Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. Mr. to the appropriation for this purpose in the ments as to the advisability of getting Chairman, will the gentleman yield? Third Deficiency Appropriation Act, 1939. this highway, and it seems to me that Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. Yes. Mr. CASE of South Dakota. Mr. Chair­ now is a good time, by the tokens we are Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. Does man, I move to strike out the last word. offering to Canada and to Great Britain, not the gentleman know that the history Mr. Chairman, the paragraph which to have legislation forthcoming in Can­ of the Congress shows that the Congress has just been read by the Clerk appro­ ada to grant the United States the right repeatedly has voted appropriations for priates $873,000 in connection with the to assist jointly with Canada in the con­ this small group or that small group. construction of a highway between Cho­ struction of this highway to Alaska. If Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. It is not rrera and Rio Hato in the Republic of we are to use Alaska for the purpose of a a good way to legislate, and we ought not Panama. I want to call the attention of defense area, and to join it up with the to start it today. Of course, the question the Members of the Committee to the fact United States by highway, certainly the of farms ought not to be mentioned­ that we are providing most ~ of the cost means of transportation by boat from about forty or fifty million dollars, no­ for the construction of this road, which Seattle or the west coast is not an ap­ body knows how much; but if you pass is intended eventue:~.lly to provide a link propriate manner of getting to Alaska as this amendment the War Department in a highway that will serve motorists compared by highway. _ could not spend it, and if they could going from this country down through I hope that consideration will be given spend it and they had the legislation to Central America. When I was in Pan­ by the House of Representatives to se­ warrant it, they could not put the ad­ ama last April I found that a great many curing permission from the Canadian ministrative machinery to work in time. American people who had gone from the Government at once to assist us in the Mr. RICH. Mr. Chairman, wjll the States down to the Canal Zone found construction of a highway between the gentleman yield? themselves bothered by tt1 fact that United States and Alaska. It is in the 9468 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5- Interest of national defense, and Canada pose spreading the belief that Members · available figures upon this subject, should cooperate and cooperate now. of Congress are making unlawful and numerous Members of Congress have [Here the gavel fell.] unwarranted use of their franking privi­ asked me to present them to the Con­ lege, thereby burdening the Post Office gress as an answer to the propaganda Mr. KEEFE. Mr. Chairman, I rise in charging Members of Congress with opposition to the pro forma amendment. Department with the tremendous burden of carrying franked mail and thus con­ abusing the franking privilege of Mem­ Mr. Chairman, we are considering an bers of Congress to burden the Post Of­ appropriation bill of over $8,000,000,000. tributing to the deficit in the Post Office fice Department ,and build up the Post This legislation involves a nuge potential Department. Office Department deficit. expenditure of funds. We are all famil­ On yesterday the gentleman from I call your attention to the fact that iar with the demands made by the gen­ Michigan [Mr. ENGEL] submitted to the these statistics, which I will ask the privi­ eral public throughout this country. for a Congress in his extension of remarks a lege of inserting in the RECORD at the reduction in expenditure of money on series of tables and figures bearing upon proper time, indicate that the greatest nondefense items. There has been a that question. Because I was furnished burden on the Post Office Department perfect barrage of propaganda going out this morning by the Comptroller of the arises from the use of governmental over this country which has for its pur- Post Office Department, the most recent agencies in sending our penalty mail. Services performed for other branches and agencies of Government, and to aid of certain general welfare and national-policy projects, sometimes referred to as "nonpostal credits"

Fiscal year 1937 Fiscal year 1938 Fiscal year 1939 Fiscal year 1940 Fiscal year 1941

Service Estimated Estimated Estimated Estimated Estimated Number ol revenue Number ol revenue Number cl revenue Number ol revenue· Number ol revenue pieces at regular pieces at regular pieces at regular pieces at reJ!ular at regular postage postage postage postage pie<:es postage rates rates rates rates rates

As listed in act of June 9, 1930: Penalty mai. (othei than Post ____ ,.. ______Office Department) ______$32, 625, 126 882, 352, C48 $34, 166, 571 967, E83, 181 $36, 408, E51 995, 571, 096 $39, 905, 033 1,118,461, 730 ( 49, 020, 19 _ Free registry (other than Post Offire Department) ______---- __ ------__ 12,019,409 1, 456, 801 10.. 985, 053 1, 524,236 11,535,024 1, 822, 274 12,029, 101 1, 628,477 12,089,675 2, 537,306 Franked maiL ______! ______42, 785, 753 1, 137, 655 24, 217, 512 779,369 35, 570, 127 1, 003,659 44,975, 397 1, 217, 561 30, 779, 97 4 . 926,843 Second-class publications free in county __ ------402, 209, 428 647,383 400, 204,74-2 637, 150 380, 844, 629 609,024 371,905, 741 606,260 371, 324, C86 616,353 Free mail for blind ______1, 205,693 171,627 1, 176,468 188; 091 1, 253,446 257, 287· . 1, 507,228 254,001 2, 042, 120 265,656 Publications receiving reduced rates (religious, scientific, educational)_ 858, 204, 67!l ":"59, 848 645, €86, 163 ~71. 474 635,293, M2 '<91, 583 888, 313, 462 316,952 893, 585, 521 314,868 Aircraft service (estimated excess during the year of cost of aircraft service over the postage revenues derived from air mail) ______e, 151, 978 5, 232,796 8, 147, 595 9, 402,888 5, 156,254 Other: Custodial and maintenance ------serviceernmen in t agencies quarters ______used by other Gov------5, 760,464 ------6, 310,539 ------6, ~34, 617 ------7, 503,223 ------·- 8, 254,654 TotaL ______------57,347,800 ------49,110,226 ------55,374,890 ------60,834,395 ------·------67,092,124

In addi_tion to the foreg~ing, a ~tudy made of such services performed during 1941 ~ndicates that ot.her somewhat sim,ilar servic~s were performed by the Postal Establishment such as selhJ?g and accountmg ~or mternal-revenue st~mps valued at $4,828,545.95; selhng an~ accountmg for ~,257,313 migratory_-brrd hunting stamps valued at $1,257,313; selling an~ accountmg for 3,96?,581 Umted St.ates defense savmgs bonds valued at ~981, ~68,250; ~ccep~mg and accountmg for veterans' adJusted-service bonds presented for payment; regis­ termg and finger-prmtmg 5,000,000 aliens (act of June 28, 1940); transportmg diplomatic mall for State-Department; conducting examinations by Post Office personnel for Civil Service Commission; collecting and accounting for custqms charges amounting to $10,300,000 on dutiable merchandise. The figures on th·e costs of such services are not yet available. Penalty mail is the type of mail you ranted manner, are not justified by the from the tremend~us use of the Postal get from the Department of Agriculture ·facts. Service of this country by the admin­ with that little sign up · in the corner, If you will take all the other items of istrative agencies of Government which "Government business. Penalty $300." free mail and reduced-postage mail are sending out these tons and tons of Now, just see what has occurred. In which appear in this table you will see penalty mail, a large part of which finds 1937 the amount of penalty mail re­ that the principal increase in the burden· lodgment and res~ng place in the waste­ flected in postage that would have been on the Post Office Department arises from ·baskets of Members of Congress and paid at the regular postage rate was the terrible increase in the amount of others who receive it. $32,625,126. In 1941 that had risen to penalty mail. Mr. SHAFER of Michigan. Mr. Chair­ $49,020,190, an increase from $32,000,000 [Here the gavel fell.] man. will the gentleman yield.? · to $49,000,000 in penalty mail from 1937 Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair­ Mr. KEEFE. I yie~d. to 1941. man, I ask unanimous consent that the Now, let us look at the franked mail gentleman from Wisconsin may proceed Mr. SHAFER of Michigan. I may sug­ and see what the situation is. for 5 additional minutes. gest to the gentleman that he . distin­ Franked mail: The postage revenues The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, guished in his remarks just what type of that would have been paid at regular it is so ordered. mail the Congressmen usually use. Is it postage rates would, in 1937, have There was no objection. not true that all Members of Congress amounted to $1,137,655. In 1941, despite Mr. KEEFE. The figures indicate that have a great amount of mail directly in all the editorial comment and all the the amount of postal revenues lost answer to· requests and relating to official propaganda that has gone out charging through publications receiving reduced business? Members of Congress with abusing the rates has increased from $259,000 to Mr. KEEFE. Why, of course; and franking privilege, the facts indicate $314,000: The free mail has increased they are supposed to use the franking that the amount of postage, had it been from a 1937 figure of $171,000 to 8, 1941 privilege only for that purpose. The mail paid on franked mail, would have been figure of $265,000. The second-class I am referring to that Members of Con­ $926,843, a decline, if you please, of the publications free in the county was $647,- gress use is that mail which is referred postage that would have been paid if 000 in 1937 and $616,000 in 1941. So to in this table as franked mail. The postage had been put on franked mail when you get the totals you will see that penalty mail is the mail sent out by-the from $1,137,655 in 1937 to $926,000 in the principal burden upon the Post Office departm~nts of the Government that 1941. It does seem to me, therefore, that deficit does not come from the increase you receive every day in your offices and in view of the facts indicated in this in the use of the franking privilege by that is sent out by the ton all over the report from the Compt:roller of the Post Members of Congress, it does not come United States. Office Department, that the charges that from the increased use of the other facili­ Mr. BUCK. Mr. Chairman, will the Members of the Congress are abusing ties of the Post Office Department at gentl~man Yield? their franking privilege in an unwar- reduced postal rates, but it does come Mr. KEEFE. I yield. 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9469 Mr. BUCK. As a matter of fact, the altar of the earth. Finally came the attends a boom. As population levels off, reports of the Post omce Department opening of the sixth seal. the debt burden becomes even more have shown that the amount of franked Its opening was followed by an earth­ ominous because debt is but a speculation mail sent out by Members of Congress quake; the sun became black; the moon on time. There is airy talk of repudia­ approximates 2% percent of the total of turned to blood; the stars fell; the rich tion without realizing that we must re­ franked and penalty mail. men, the great men, the captains, the pudiate ourselves. Daily we venture into Mr. KEEFE. I think that is approxi­ mighty men, the bondsmen, and the free­ new land without a Foad map. The mately correct. men hid in the dens and rocks of the stimulation of defense will end. The Mr. BUCK. The newspapers in our mountains. The day of wrath had come. Horsemen will cease to ride. The fifth own districts, which are criticizing us for seal will be opened to disclose the slain sending out franked mail, forget the THE DAY OF WRATH crying for vengeance on the living who privileges they enjoy, which in the case of How little we hear of the aftermath dwell in the earth. The· sixth seal will newspapers sent free might amount to of the present world struggle; yet our be broken. The economic earthquake $90,000,000 a year. day of wrath is approaching. The very will come and the day of wrath will be Mr. KEEFE I do not know that they preparation we make to meet the forces at hand. Then what? from without helps breed destructive are forgetting, but I think the average TIME TO PREPARE OUR DOMESTIC HOUSE person is confused between franked mail forces from within. The time is at hand for careful internal defense. Somber-hued as this picture appears, and penalty mail. They are inclined to there is time for preparation of our do­ consider all this penalty mail as franked THE DOMESTIC SCENE mestic house against the fury and shock mail. The Members of Congress do not Consider the domestic scene. SmaJI of peace. The pattern is clear and dis­ use penalty mail; they use fr~nked mail. The departments of the Government use business is begging for life. Priorities tinct. Not once in 2,000 years has it penalty mail, and that is where practi­ are strangling the material supply. Gov­ varied. The transition will be marked by cally the entire increase in this postal ernment's own figures on cantonment a continuing exhilaration. Then follows . deficit is as shown by this report. construction and acquisition of defense de:tlation, an impoverished world, a de­ Mr. BUCK. I am in accord with the supplies testify to inemciency and waste. mand for disarmament, disrupted world gentleman. Actual expenditures for defense in the currencies, rehabilitation loans, unem- . Mr. VANZANDT. Mr. Chairman, will fiscal year ending June 30, 1942, are esti­ ployment, despair, the application of the the gentleman yield? mated at eighteen thousand million dol­ lease-lend formula to domestic problems, Mr. KEEFE. I yield. lars. This is $135 per capita, or $515 for distrust, and then denouement. There Mr. VAN ZANDT. Much has been every family. One dollar of every five will be no royal road to readjustment. said about Members of Congress frank­ earned this year goes to Federal expendi­ We must prepare now for the impact of ing copies of their remarks made on the tures. Next. year it is estimated at one peace. The economic road map for the fioor of the Congress to the folks back dollar of e.very three. The debt now return journey must be ready. home. Is it not true that under penalty stands at $415 for every man, woman, PARTNERS-SACRIFICE mail thousands of copies of speeches by and child. Today, as we appropriate funds for de­ Cabinet members are scattered through­ When World War No. 1 began it was fense against forces from without, out the Nation? but $12.36. A debt of ninety billion should we not immediately design a pro­ Mr. KEEFE. I assume that is true; at means about $700 for every person in the gram for defense against the mounting least, I have had occasion to throw a land. Every child now born will be en­ forces from within. There is a remedy. good many of them in the wastebasket, dowed with opportunity and the privilege Its essence is quite simple. Every ele­ the same as the gentleman has. of sharing in a huge public debt. The ment of the Nation must become part­ I am going to take the time, some· of national pay roll stands at an all-time ners in sacrifice. It is a stern but neces­ these days, to tell you something about high and includes 1,477,000 persons. sary choice. As Shakespeare expressed what it is costing the people of the Federal subsidies, first spurned and then it, "What king, Bezonian? Speak or die." United States to send out all over the reluctantly accepted, are now demanded The choice is between sacrifice and de­ country this penalty mail, which does not by large groups of our people. By the struction. Perhaps a realistic program serve the purpose for which perhaps it end of the fiscal year the cost of borrow­ will assist the choice and here it is: is intended. ing money will be one and one-half bil­ First. Government can be reasonable Mr. AUGUST H. ANDRESEN. Mr. lions annually, and that amount in­ and stop hoarding. Business is entitled Chairman, will the gentleman yield? creases as the debt grows. Bank deposits to live. and excess reservPS' are at record levels. Second. Nondefense spending can be Mr. KEEFE. I yield. Two and one-half billion ounces of use­ curtailed and emergency activities which Mr. AUGUST H. ANDRESEN . . It has less silver clutter our vaults to accelerate have lost their emergency character can also been known that certain members the infiationary spiral. Twenty-two bil­ be eliminated. Government must become of the omcial family have sent out Christ­ lions in gold are caUsing grave concern. a partner in sacrifice. mas greetings under penalty mail. There is a growing allergy toward work. Third. In the defense program, the best Mr. KEEFE. I do not know as to that, Employment in. defense industries in­ brains are cheap at any price. EIDcient but I do know that one agency of the ·creases at the expense of employment in spending requires emcient .spe.nders. Government, or its employees, did send nondefense industries. More than 3,000 Fourth. Let there be a vigorous use ot Christmas greetings to me · at least in a p~ants have been or are being expanded the broom en defense brokers and favor­ penalty envelope. I do know that. for defense at a cost of more than four itism. The growing belief that in:tluence Mr. COFFEE of Washington. Mr. billion to the Government and one billion is required to obtain defense contracts Chairman, will the gentleman yield? to private enterprise. Notwithstanding is an expeditious way of destroying faith Mr. KEEFE. I yield. huge defense outlays, unemployment in in the integrity of that Government Mr. COFFEE of Washington. I want October was estimated at 3,900,000 per­ which millions of boys receiving $21 per to take this occasion to compliment the sons. Ten strikes affecting defense and month are expected to defend. brilliant gentleman from Wisconsin for involving 6,900 workers were reported at Fifth. Aid to Russia is one thing; ac­ having the temerity to defend the House the . week ending November 22. Living ·cepting Russian doctrine is another. of Representatives against these attacks costs are soaring. Th~ handmaiden of Purge government of communism. It is so promiscuously made by the press of spending is taxes, and already people are better to crack down now than to crack the Nation. I compliment him. recoiling from additi9nal tax suggestions. up later. [Here the gavel fell.] A former Member of this House has filed Sixth. Priorities have brought distress. Mr. . DIRKSEN. Mr. Chairman, short suit against the Empire Ordnance Co. The law on competitive bidding should years ago, when the novelist Ibanez was for · a commission of $687,000, represent­ be modified to permit direct negotiation popular reading, the story of the Four ing 1 percent on seventy million of de­ of defense contracts with distressed in­ Horsemen was on every tongue. But the fense business. What must the folks dustries and distressed areas. story does not end there. They followed back home think as they read that fact in Seventh. We planned our way into our ·the opening of the four seals of revela­ their daily newspaper? present domestic plight. We must plan tions. Then came the opening · of the We are unanimous for a boom but not our way out. Now is the time to prepare fifth seal to disclose the slain under the for the effervescence and headache which the blueprint of transition. 9470 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5 Eighth. American production is the last appears the company, controlled by Mr. that the releases of the purchases of the best hope of an embattled starving world. Edward Cohen, of New York, is really War Department bear out the figures Why not more emphasis ·on production some kind of a holding company. I given in that statement yesterday. and a little less emphasis on allocation? understand Mr. Thomas Corcoran, for­ Mr. REES of Kansas. I thank the Ninth. There are still 48 States in the mer associate of the administration is gentleman for his contribution. Union. Let defense· work be equitably also engaged in representing concerns THere the gavel fell.J distributed so that all taxpayers might interested in defense contracts. Mr. HOOK. Mr. Chairman, I rise in share. The House Military Affairs Committee opposition to the pro forma amendment. Tenth. The 18 major private defense is investigating Mr. Leon K. Schanack, I thoroughly agree with the genial gen­ industries now employ 2,700,000 persons. of New York, an alleged "profit-patriot,'• tleman from Kansas [Mr. REES] who What of the other 130,000 industries who whose commissions on defense contr;:J.cts preceded me in the fact that there are must live, pay taxes, and provide jobs? are estimated at approximately $200,000~ exorbitant profits and that those exorbi- . Let time limits be ::;:i.10rtened on prime This money is said to come by way of tant profits should be wiped off the defense contracts to compel farming-out the Greenwich Machine Tool Co. of New books. In the first 17 months of our and diffusion. York. Another so-called broker had defense program. there was in excess of Eleventh. A sound labor policy is im­ less 'than $5 in his pocket a year ago, $2,090,000,000 over what the program perative. Congress has authorized and and now has a bank account running should have cost; but I am getting just appropriated sixty-seven billions for de­ into six figures. There are a number of a little· bit tired of the innuendos that fense. It might as well be 67 cents un­ other instances that have come to the Democrats are responsible for it. Let us less dollars can be translated into de­ attention; for example, the case of an look at the record. I know that Mr. fense materials. agent who got $5,000 for doing little Knox, the Secretary of the Navy, is not Twelfth. Business as usual, strikes as other than delivering a check from one a Democrat·; and I do not think that Mr. usual, bureaucracy as usual will end in concern to another. Stirpsori, the Secretary of War, is a an unusual result. Take the priority off Mr. Chairman, I realize that with the Democrat; nor do I think that Mr. of belt buckles and pull up a couple of expenditure of billions of dollars there Knudsen, in charge of 0. P. M., or that notches in the interest of national wel­ is bound to be some extravagance, but I Mr. Stet.tinius are Democrats; and I can fare. say to you that the stopping of the pay­ safely say that 9 out of 10 of those who Thirteenth. New taxes if any should be ment of unnecessary commissions, fees, are in charge of defense spending are designed to conserve and not destroy and exorbitant profits will come none not of the Democratic Party. It is about capital. We shall need healthy indus­ too soon. After all, the whole business time that we of the Demecratic Party tries to get through the period of wrath is charged to the people of this country. request and vigorously insist that the which lies ahead. Taxes should conserve Mr. Chairman, just the other day a administration, if you please, take out the incentive to save because saving is distinguished ·Member of the majority those who are responsible for this ex­ a testimony in our faith in the future. side of the House said his committee travagance. If such a request was As partners in sacrifice, let us also be were of the opinion now that we had granted, I guarantee that 9 out of 10 of partners in devotion to the cause of our overpaid for cantonment lands alone ap­ them will not be of the Democratic stripe. economic salvation when the emergency proximately $100,000,000. As I have said, Those who are receiving these unwar­ is over. there is bound to be some waste, but ranted prices for the contracts they got Mr. REES of Kansas. Mr. Chairman, we have had too much of it. are 99 percent Republican. we are ·considering ·a very important Mr. Chairman, there has recently been , Mr. RICH. Mr. Chairman, will the measure. It provides for the expendi­ some discussion about the political phase gentleman yield? ture of the further sum of $8,000,000,000 of the matter. This is no time to play Mr. HOOK. Yes. for national defense. This makes a total politics. Men should be appointed to po­ Mr. RICH. And who does the voting of $68,000,000,000 in the last· 18 months. sitions of responsibility in policy making for all of these expenses? Where do you It means a charge of about $2,700 ·for beeause of their ability to do the job and get the votes for these expenses? And every family in the United States. And not because they belong to a political where are you going to get this money? yet we are advised our defenses are still faith. Furthermore, Mr. Chairman, we It is rig-ht over on your side that you get inadequate. On the question of ade­ still have our pressure groups. the votes, and the people are going to quate deftmse there is little argument. ~- Mr: Chairman, one thing more: I be­ have to pay. Our people want it as promptly and as lieve it is high time that the administra­ Mr. HOOK. Yes; and we have to have effectively as it can be done. tion should be more frank with Congress a defense program, and we must have · Mr. Chairman, since we are giving con­ and with the people. Yesterday a news­ the money to save this country from the sideration to the most important of our paper announced certain plans were in onslaught of Hitlerism, and I shall carry problems, I want to express -my view that the making for increasing our armed on and help vote the money; but I say it those who are responsible for carrying forces up to five or·ten million men. The is about time that we got rid of the Re­ out this tremendous program could do leadership of the House have told us they publicans who are squandering · ·the well to put their house in better order. are sure the statement is incorrect. money that we appropriate. It is this I ask that attention be given to at least Why cannot those in charge of the pro-. abuse of squandering the defense-money three important matters. gram explain the situation? · If it is a we provide to save our Nation from de­ Stop the graft, the waste, and-the ex­ matter that cannot be properly discussed, struction that is the cause of the break­ havagance now going on in our defense ·then say so. Woodrow Wilson said, ing down of national defense, and not effort. I refer particularly to the un­ "Honesty and competency require no the laboring man, as the propagandists warranted and· scandalous ·fees that are shield of secrecy." So I suggest, Mr. would lead the unsuspecting public to paid to certain individuals, some of whom Chairman, that the administration pro­ believe. .have held high positions in Government, · ceed to get rid of these "lobby brokers'.> Mr. SAUTHOFF. Mr .. Chairman, I tor claiming to assist in securing defense and all of their kind, and do it right now; move -to . strike out . the last word and contracts. They are sometimes referred -that huge profits be stopped; that no ask unanimous. consent to extend my re­ ·to as defense brokers. Most of you know, favors be granted; that we have no parti­ marks in the RECORD. ·or have heard of, Charles West; a former san politics in the defense effort; that The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? 'Member of this body. He has also held those in responsibility of the defense There was no objection. ·some high positions in the present ad­ program be more frank and clear in deal­ Mr. -SAUTHOFF. · Mr. Chairman, ministration. He was a sort of go-be- 'ing with the American people. there was a sound of revelry by night. ·tween the White House and Capitol Hill Mr. SHAFER of Michigan. Mr. Chair­ I notice in the 'United Press item that ·at one time. He is now in private prac- man, will the gentleman yield? the Soviet Embassy had a reception. tice. He claims a balance of fees of Mr. REES of Kansas. I shall be glad Incidentally, I was not invited. There $687,000 for acting on behalf of the Em­ to· yield to the distinguished gentleman was. champagne. and .Scotch and caviar . pire Ordnance Co., of New York, in se­ from Michigan, a niember of the Military dished out very freely for the benefit . ·curing defense contracts of $70,000,000. Affairs Committee. .of some 3,000 .guests, and it was esti­ He says he was entitled to $700,000 and Mr. SHAFER of Michigan. I call the ·mated by the United Press correspond­ that only $1-3,000 has been paid. It also attention ef the gentlema11 to the fact ent that it cost a:bout $10,000 to hold 19~1 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9471 this celebration, but he noted that one out of one hundred thousand $10,000 bills? complaints from editors as to the amount $10,000 bill will not be missed out of the The modest setting up of a beer and a pretzel. . of propaganda they are receiving. One At least 3,000 guests, from admirals and letter, which is typical, demanded legis­ 100,000 $10,000 bills that we gave them generals to Office of Production Management without any hope of return. clerks from the grass roots, dipped into the lation to abolish every last publicity bu­ Mr. WOODRUFF of Michigan. Mr. caviar, sampled Scotch and champagne, and reau. Let me read what this editor Chairman, will the gentleman yield? , admired a super-sturgeon baked and literally wrote: Mr. SAUTHOFF. Yes. bedecked with red flags. There is one law that I wish you would Mr. WOODRUFF of Michigan. Does In addition, we have given Britain get enacted. It would be one to abolish every not the gentleman believe that perhaps last Government publicity bureau. All they $23,000,000,000 to date in one way and do is to make us poor editors work an extra the Soviet Embassy put on that party another, and we are assured that more is hour or two each day throwing away their in the spirit of casting bread upon the to follow. Besides the foregoing, we tripe. We are now threatened with a paper waters? have given other nations many millions. shortage. If Government publicity bureaus Mr. SAUTHOFF. Undoubtedly, and it No money? Oh, yes; millions for for­ would quit sending out their blurbs, at least came back a hundredfold. Seriously, Mr. eigners, but not a dime for our old folks. a quarter of the pulp shortage would be Chairman, let me call attention, as a con­ Champagne and caviar to celebrate a. taken care of right there. trast, to what is taking place right here billion-dollar gift, while, cold and hun­ This editor is right, but instead of a among our own people. gry, our own people must suffer in si­ decrease in the amount of Government Small business men are greatly dis­ lence. Ten thousand dollars for a blow­ propaganda I fear he will see an increas­ turbed and are becoming increasingly out by the Communists, while our old ing amount during the weeks and months alarmed over their precarious future. people in some States are told to feed and to come. Many of them are being forced to quit clothe themselves on 23 cents a day. If The United States Government, ac­ business; many more will follow. It is someone will give them their clothes, cording to estimates, will spend at least estimated that by the end of 1942 any­ th~n they can eat 7-cent meals. And $10,000,000 in the fiscal year 1942 for where from 50,000 to 100,000 small busi­ even these tragic pittances would not publicity activities merely for national nessmen will have been forced to quit. furnish a roof over their heads or fuel to defense and to popularize the war. This This will mean that many more thou­ warm their half-starved bodies. will provide employment for no less than sands will be thrown out of employment, Let us have less champagne and caviar 1,436 newspaper representatives, clerks, and will be looking for jobs. Where can for foreigners and more ham and eggs stenographers, psychologists, cartoonists, they find them? Only in defense indus­ for Americans. song Wl'iters, and such who will spread tries. But that will not absorb the many Mr. SHAFER of Michigan. Mr. Chair­ the good word in one form or another. thousands who are too old. No one will man, the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. Those workers are spread through at least want them. Their only chance for a job ENGEL] and the gentleman from Wiscon­ eight different departments: The War will be W. P. A. sin [Mr. KEEFE] have rendered a great Department, Navy Department, Treasury, Let us e:xamine the chances on W. P. A. service in furnishing revealing :figures in State Department, Office of Emergency The appropriation for the fiscal year connection with the many abuses of the Management, Selective Service System, ending June 30, 1941, was $1,350,000,000. penalty mail privileges now being en­ Office of the Coordinator of Information, The appropriation for the present fiscal joyed by the many bureaus and depart­ Office of the Coordinator of Inter-Ameri­ year is $875,000,000, or a decrease of ments of the administration. While these can Relations, and Office of Facts and $500,000,000. However, during the first abuses continue to increase, the Gov­ Figures. quarter of the present fiscal year, about ernment, at the same time, is calling for. The Navy Department alone has a 39 percent of all W. P. A. expenditures conservation of paper and ink supplies. staff of more than 211 persons engaged in went into national-defense projects. The hundreds of mimeographs of the va­ publicity work. Thirty-nine of these are The passing of many small business men rious bureaus grind night and day flood­ officers.. 14 are enlisted men, and 54 are ·and the unemployment of those now ing the newspapers of ·the country -with civilians, all located in Washington. In working for these small business men will propaganda which one Washington the field it has a staff of 104 officers, to­ mean a marked increase of demands on · newspaper recently characterized as gether with the necessary clerical assist­ W. P. A. The average age of workers in . "highly uninformative information." ants. There is no budget for this organ­ industry is 37 years according to the last This Washington newspaper, the Daily ization but it is estimated that it must census, while the average age in W. P. A. News, recently showed the utter disre­ cost not less than $1,000,000 a year. is 43 years. Where can the man of 60 gard of the bureaucrats for the pleas for Likewise the War Department has a pub­ years, or even 50 years go, unless the economy in nondefense spending and for licity staff of no less than 259 persons. Government gives him a chance. If conservation of paper. This newspaper Many of those are Regular Army officers W. P. A. takes care of those under 60, conducted a survey of the situation in its detailed to this task; and here again then old-age pensions can take care of own office with the result that it printed there is no direct appropriation by Con­ those 60 and over. an article to the effect that each day's gress for such a function. How about old-age pensions? We mail brings more than 3 pounds of propa­ The State Department, in the Division passed the Federal Old-Age Pension Act ganda hand-outs across the editor's. desk. of Current Information, is carrying on a in 1935. Its provisions are utterly inade­ What little news these hand-outs contain comparable type of work, but the Budget quate. Some States are paying the old usually has been covered by the news- for this item is only $110,113 a year. This folks as low as $7 per month on which . paper's own reporters or press associa­ organization in the State Department has to live. How is that possible? All of tions, with the result that most of the for one of its principal tasks the deter­ us know that seven times seven would propaganda finds its way into .the waste­ mination of the general plan and tone be needed to supply the minimum of basket. of American foreign broadcasts. decency. Yet in spite of bills, petitions, It was pointed out that a typical day's The Treasury Department is spending meetings, conferences, and caucuses, our mail of Government propaganda con­ about $3,300,000 a year on publicity, pri­ prayers are disregarded and our en­ tained 77 releases, ranging from a single marily for national-defense purposes. Its treaties go unheard. We are told that Marine Corps flimsy to a 24-page maga­ regular propaganda organization employs there is no money. zine published by the Office of Production from 10 to 59 persons and it has a tem­ porary staff of 43 persons in Washington No money? As already stated~ only Management. At first-class rates the recently we gave Russia $1,000,000,000, cost of mailing would be 86 cents. Actu­ dealing with the problem. Throughout and of the party at the Soviet Embassy, ally, since the pieces arrived in 50 differ­ the country it has a field staff of proba­ referred to, Sam Love, United Press cor­ ent envelopes, the loss in postal revenue bly 130 persons. This organization is en­ respondent, wrote: represents nearly three times the bulk gaged .in building up general public 86-cent rate. Each of the Washington morale for the war and devising various The Russians, who found a billion-dollar newspapers receives an equal volume of appeals for patriotism. baby 'in a local lend-lease store, responded handsomely tonight by throwing ·the gosh­ this publicity and varying amounts of the In the Office for Emergency Manage­ darndest party Washington has seen since the same material are mailed to 3,500 daily ment there is a publicity organization of historic "recognition" blow-out of 1934. newspapers throughout the country and close to 240 on a budget of approximately It set the Soviet Embassy back about to the larger number of weekly newspa­ $885,000 a year. This organization is en­ $10,000. But, between friends, what is one pers and maga~ines. I have had many gaged in doing nothing but publicizing . 9472 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5 national defense and the war and justifY­ I feel that I should take occasion, in Mr. RICH. I would like to have an ing appropriations. the light of this discussion, to bring that answer to that. Who is responsible for The Office of the Coordinator of Infor­ matter to the attention of the House. placing him in the Cabinet? mation, which is headed by Col. William In my official capacity I went through Mr. BENDER. It was not one of the J. Donovan, has a staff of at least 175 the World War period. Much that has Republican Roosevelts. persons in Washington and 40 in New been discussed this afternoon was in line Mr. WOODRUFF of Michigan. Who York. This is supposedly .for the pur­ with the investigations with which I was is responsible for keeping them there? pose of coordinating all defense informa­ charged in the matter of investigating Mr. BENDER. That answers itself. tion that comes to Washington and the cases of disloyalty, sedition, espionage, He is a Democrat. preparation of a basic background for and anything else that any of the coor­ Then we have this man they call Chip American foreign news broadcasts. It is dinate branches of the Government Robert and "Little Evy" Robert. Not doubtful whether this organization can might be called upon to investigate with Republicans. I recall in connection with function on a budget of much under a a yiew to effecting prosecutions. the Dupont Circle Apartment affair no million dollars a year. The machinery of law is available, and Republicans were involved there. And In the Office of the Coordinator if evidence is being disclosed before a "Tommy the Cork," who does not occupy of Inter-American Relations there is subcommittee of our Committee on Mili­ an office here, was one of the President's another very ·large propaganda division tary Affairs, to which the newspapers right-hand men. Is he a Republican? for the dissemination ·of the good word have given publicity, I sincerely trust My friends, I knew that at some time or about defense. This organization has a that the chairman of that committee or other they would get ar-.ound to charging publicity staff of no less than 75 persons someone sufficiently interested in getting the Republicans with all the shortcom­ and a budget for their salaries of at least possession of that evidence will place it ings of the present administration. $250,000. In addition it has ·$3,000,000 before the Department of Justice and Pretty soon we will be charged with the for special project work in propaganda; urge thereupon the prosecution of these New Deal. $600,000 will be used for production of malefactors. Mr. RICH. Mr. Chairman, will the motion pictures to be displayed in Latin When the first teller bell rang this gentleman yield? America; at least a million will be used afternoon, I was in conversation with the Mr. BENDER. I yield. to supply Latin American newspapers Attorney General's office on that very Mr. RICH. Who is responsible for vot­ with American news services; and $700,- subject. I do not feel that I violate any ing all this money for the various non­ 000 will be used to subsidize American trust or confidence, but I do feel that defense departments of Government? broadcasts to Latin America. A subsidy we can have the cooperation of the De­ Are they members of the Republican of at least $200,000 has already been given partment of Justice in the criminal Party? to the World Wide Broadcasting Founda­ .prosecution of these malefactors whom Mr. BENDER. You know who runs tion of Boston to subsidize broadcast·s we have heard discussed here, if the evf­ this House. Iri fact, you know who runs over station WRUL. Slightly Jarger sub­ dence we have heard is available is Washington. They even referred to the sidies are to be given to the Columbia presented in proper Iorm. majority as "rubbe_r stamps." Cert~inly Broadcasting System and the N a tiona! [Here the gavel fell.J tpose of us who are here understand that Broadcasting Co. Mr. BENDER. Mr. Chairman, I move it is not the Republican Party. For some Mr. MOSER Mr. Chairman and mem­ to strike out the last five words. time when I first came here I heard them bers uf the Committee, listening to the Mr. Chairman, I am sure most of you talk about Teapot Dome. -Those fellows, were here when the gentleman from reprehensible as· they were, were mere discussion this· afternoon, 1 am prompted Michigan [Mr. HooK] said that these · to seek t~1is time to rise and speak in the. pikers compared with the boys who are light of the voice of experience, and tell gentlemen who are wrecking the defense now operating on the defense program. my colleagues in the House of Repre­ program, profiteering an::i finagling here As a matter of fact, I wish the gentleman sentatives a personal experience that I in Washington are all Republicans. from Michigan would study his politics a had while in-the c·apacity of a post-office I recall that we had a college professor -little more. · ,.. from Ohio who became a Member of · Mr. ·HOOK. Mr. Chairman, will the inspector. A man appeared at the post Congress and later was drafted by the gentleman yield? -, office ~n Chicago, Ill., and pretended to administration to run for the ·united • have infiuence whereby he could place - . Mr. BENDER.- . I will yield." States Senate from my own State. He Mr. HOOK. - I 'notice the gentleman people on the · pay rolJ to do work at was not a Republican. He was drafted Ch:::-istmas time. He niet these men and said that Charles West was liaison ·officer to run against Vic Donahey, a substan­ . between the White House and the Con- · -encouraged them, telling trem that they tial citizen of Ohio, former Democratic could not expect to go to work ·unless gress. He probably now is liaison officer Governor. He ran as the administra­ between that Republican bunch i spoke they oought a uniform. They paid him tion's candidate for Senator. You know in money a part of the sum to get the ·of and the-contractors who are getting · him-Charley West. Was he a Repub­ ·the gravy. · . - ' . uniform, and he took the money from lican? these prospective applicants, as much as Mr. BENDER. Well, he certainly Mr. WOODRUFF of Michigan. Mr. knows on which side of his bread the he could collect, and then disappeared. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? I went before United States Commis­ gravy is. Mr. BENDER. I yield. . Then, as I recall, the members of the sioner, Judge Beiter, in Chicago and Mr. WOODRUFF of Michigan. Has swore out a warrant for his arrest for firm of Roosevelt & Sargent were not the ·the gentleman overlooked the fact the Republican Roosevelts. violation of section 32 of the United President thought so highly of the capa­ -States Criminal Code,. which very clearly -bilities of this gentleman that for a long rHere· ilie gavel)en.J provides that any person-pretending to time he was the contact man between the Mr. CREAL rose. ,have such infiuence or -be in a position to -white House and this ·House of Repre- The CHAIRMl\N. For what purpoSe -wield such influence. shall be subject to -sentatives? does the gentleman from Kentucky rise? the penalty of that Criminal Code. He Mr. BENDER. I thank the gentleman. - Mr. CREAL. I only want the RECORD was bound over and-indicted by the grand -He was contact man for the White House. to ·show that on the teller vote on the -jury .and· sent·enced by the court to serve ·Certainly the President did not select a amendment to give tne boys transporta- . . a term in -a. county jaiJ in northern -Republican. He selected a Democrat for -tion on their Christmas furloughs I voted . Illinois. -that purpose. "aye." · · · Knowing th.at statl.it(. -to be applicable Mr. TABER. That is the polite word Mr. LEAvY. -Mr. Chairman, I rise in . to the ramifications that have been re- . for "lobbyist," is it not? opposition -to the·pro forma amendment. sorted to by the people we have heard dis­ . Mr. BENDER. That is right. Mr. Chairman, for -just a few minutes cussed this ·afternoon I . consulted with Mr. RICH. Will the gentleman yield? I want to get back to this bill and to the Speaker several days ago and intra- Mr. BENDER. I yield. . matters that are germane to it, and I am . duced a bill, H. R. 6151. Ii is very brief. . Mr. RICH. Who is responsible for going to anticipate the Clerk somewhat . It onl;y extends and delineates .a. little placing this man that the gentleman in the reading .of the bill. On page 24 of ·,further on. the subject,· outlining .. some · spok-e -about -in the-Cabinet? - . , the bill. appeavs ~an · item of $30,000,000 -of the title8 ._and.terms that. ttrese -:People · ·• .Mr. --WOODRUFF ·of Michigan. Willj ~ for : the·" Bo.nneville , Administration . for · use. Also it increases the ,penalties. · the gentleman-yield just there? -transmission lines.- The :committee- on 1941 CONGRESSIONAL -REQORD-HOUSE 9473 Appropriations · and the subcommittee In order to get the power from the dams ities including the transmission lines, that handled this, headed by the distin­ to the industries to be served in the area only 32 percent will be charged off to the an extensive transmission system is neces­ guished gentleman from Missouri. [Mr. sary. This consists primarily of a 230,000 power users as related to the origir..al CANNON J, assisted by the chief clerk of the volt double-circuit steel transmission grid construction cost, or whether or not the committee, 1\ -arcellus Shield, have made encircling the entire territory from Grand power user is going to pay the cost of a report on Bonneville and Grand Coulee, Coulee Dam to the Puget Sound .area, from the installation? which appears on pages 28 and 29 of the the Puget Sound area to the Portland, Oreg., Mr. LEAVY. If I understand the gen­ committee report. There was accord not area, and then back to Grand Coulee, y.rith tleman's question correctly, I will say alone among the entire membership of the necessary substations, feeder lines, and every dollar of this money will be repaid interconnections. with interest at 3 or 4 percent. the subcommittee but in the whole com­ The provision of the transmission lines is mittee when they reported the bill on this geared in point of time to the installation Mr. BATES of Massachusetts. Is 100 $30,000,000 item, and I do not anticipate of the genera tors and the readiness of those percent of that cost charg.ed to the any difficulty here in the Committee of lines to carry the power when it is ready for users? the Whole House. delivery. The entire cost of the transmis­ Mr. LEAVY. Of this co'St; yes. This report, however, is so exceptional sion system and substations is $156,000,000, [Here the gavel fell.] and so completely clarifies what has here­ of which $60,000,000 has heretofore been ap­ Mr. BEITER. Mr. Chairman, I ask tofore been misunderstood in this House propriated, $30,000,000 Is included in this unanimous consent that the gentleman bill, and leaving $66,000,000 for future ap­ during the 5 years these mighty projects propriation. The amount included in the may be given an additional minute so have been moving forward that I want to accompanying bill is expected to be devoted that I may propound a question of him. take the time now to read it into the to the procurement of necessary materials The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection RECORD and give the membership and the for extension of these lines. The construc­ to the request of the gentleman from New public at large a full understanding, in tion of lines requires from 18 to 24 months York [Mr. BEITER]? language clear-cut and concise, just from the time the money is made available. There was no objection. what these projects are, what progress The $30,000,000 for materials at this time Mr. BEITER. Will the gentleman will enable the administration to take ad­ yield? they have made to date, and what needs vantage of purchases and priorities in a mar­ to be done in the immediate future, and ket which is rising and which will cost more Mr. LEAVY. I yield to the gentleman the great part they play in national de­ if purchased later and will enable the ad­ from New York. fense. After a reading of this report, I ministration to h::tve the lines ready when Mr. BEITER. The gentleman has re­ know that no person need ever say they the power is available at the dams. ferred to a public-owned transmission do not understand these great projects. Revenues from power from the two dams line. In the State of New York there is a I read from the report: were $1,874,444 il the fiscal year 1941. They proposal now to construct a $25,000,000 are estimated at $6.500,000 for the fiscal year public-owned transmission line from New BONNEVILLE POWER ADMINISTRATION 1942 and at $10,500,00r for the fiscal year 1943 York City to transmit surplus pJwer The amount recommended for the Bonne­ and are expected to rise to $22,500,000 in the ville Power Administration is $30,000,000. fiscal yeaJ" 1947 on Lhe basis of the utilization from New York City to Messina. That The Administration .is the marketing agency of the full generating capacity of 1,490,400 line would have been built by private in­ for the salable power from the Bonneville and kilowatts. terests. I wonder if there is anything in Grand Coulee Dams and is charged with the The power Investment is estimated at $322,­ this bill or any appropriation in this bill responsib111ty of the construction and opera­ oor,ooo, consisting of $156,000,000 for trans­ which would appropriate $25,000,000 for tion of the necessary transmission facilities n tssion lines, $51,000,000 power allocation of this proposal. for that purpose. The funds provided in the the cost of Bonnevme, and $115,000,000 power Mr. LEAVY. I do not think there is: bill are for materials and equipment neces­ allocation of the cost of Grand Coulee. The Mr. BEITER. None of the funds in sary in the construction of additional trans­ Administration el"timates that the rate struc­ mission lines and substations. ture is sutll.cient to provide expenses of opera­ this bill could be used for the construc­ The expedition of furnishing the fac111ties tion and amortize this cost over a period of tion of that proposed line? for generation and transmission of power· 40 years. Mr. LEAVY. I do not think so. from these two dams arises from the neces­ Provision for these transmission lines Is Mr. · ANGELL. Will the gentleman sities of the national-defense program. The recommended by the Otll.ce of Production yield? estimates of power needs of the United States, Management to enable the Administration to Mr. LEAVY. I yield to t.he gentleman within the next few years for national-defense meet the defense demands at the earliest purposes indicate a requirement ·of 20.000,000 possible date. from Oregon. additional kilowatts of which 3,000,000 kilo­ The Government. has made provision for a Mr. ANGELL. I compliment the gen­ watts are expected-to be provided in the Pa­ tremendous production program, and plants tleman for calling attention to the facts cific Northwest and the Bonnev1lle-Grand are projected and being projected to manu­ in this regard, and also wish to call at­ Coulee area. facture the defense articles needed. Power Is tention to the fact that on yesterday. at Funds have been provided for the pro­ the key to production. All of the power- · page 9446 of the CONGRX.SSIONAL RECORD, I curement of the full complement of 10 gen­ generating facilities have been provided for commented on the report and also gave erators at Bonneville Dam and the last of 1,490,400 kilo\ ·atts. Failure to make provi­ some additional facts. these Is expected to be installed by Decem­ sion for the necessary transmission lines will ber 1943. Funds llkewlse have been provided hinder the defense effort and deprive the [Here the gavel fell.] for nine generators at Grand Coulee which Government of the revenue which will start Mr. SMITH of Ohio. Mr. Chairman, I wm complete installations In the west powerJ as soon as the power is ready to be taken move to strike out the last five words. house and the last of these is expected to be away from the dams. Mr. SMITH of Ohio. Mr. Chairman, I installed by May 1944. Further installations Mr. Chairman, let me say that no finer, shall vote to recommit this bill, H. R. at Grand Coulee must await completion of 6159, and strike out the so-called lend­ additional powerhouse accommodations. On more thorough, more complete, unbiased, the basis of the present schedules for the and impartial statement of these two lease appropriation. · I shall then vote for installation of these generators the present mighty projects could have been made, the bill with the understanding I am generating capacity of 356,400 kilowatts will than can be .found right here in the re­ sanctioning only the appropriation for rise to 1,166,400 by Decen;tber 1943 and to port of the committee, and I commend our >Wn Army and Navy. 1,490,400 kilowatts by May 1944. the chairman of the committee the gen­ I continue to feel I cannot vote to give The natural deposits of defense raw ma­ tleman from Missouri [Mr. CANNON], his away billions of dollars of our taxpayers' terials in this area and the accessibility to clerks, and the whole committee. I also money so long as foreign nations have them of the power facilities of these two between fifteen and twenty billion dol­ large dams make the area ideal for the de­ desire to compliment Dr. Paul Raver and velopment of national-defense industries and his assistants for the excellent presenta­ lars in this country they could pledge as advantage is being taken of these circum­ tion made _in justification of this appro­ security for loans to them. stances to a very extensive degree. Power priation, when they appeared before the Mr. DEWEY. Mr. Chairman, I move demands for defense industries are now in committee. to strike out the last six words. excess of the supply. The qefense load com­ Mr. BATES of MassachuSetts. Mr. Mr. Chairman, I would like to interro­ n;titment has risen from 65,000 kilowatts-in Chairman, will the gentleman yield? gate the gentleman from Washington July 1940, to 525,000 kilowatts at present and the prospective needs are rapidly accumulat­ Mr. LEAVY. I yield. [Mr. LEAVY],- who just spoke regarding il:lg. All power now belng generated · 24 Mr. BATES of Massachusetts. I won­ certain power developments ·that are hours a day is being used and contracts iii der if the gentleman will inform the contained in this bill. I wish to draw effect or substantially agreed upon are in ex­ . House whether or not, of this full $30,- his attention to page 25, where there ap­ cess of the supply. , . 000,000, the cost of expanding these facil- pear two properties, one the Fontana 9474 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5 and the other the Dol).glas. I under­ $269,000,000, to remain available until June rehabiliating the econo~c status of the stand the Douglas operation is not to be 30, 1943, which shall be available for payment Philippines in the event they acquire their appropriated for. It is stated on page 25 to the government of the Commonwealth of the Philippines upon its written request, independence. that the Fontana Dam is a new project either in advance of or in reimbursement As I understand the situation in the and the schedule contemplates it will be for all or any part of the estimated or actual Philippines at the present time, their ready for impounding water in the spring cost, as authorized by the Commanding Gen­ economy, generally speaking, is being of 1944 and that the first generating eral, United States Army Forces in the Far badly interfered with, if not almost com­ unit will be installed in the fall of 1944. E"lst, of necessary expenses for the purposes pletely wrecked, by reason of the war Referring to the top of page 25, item aforesaid, except that none of such moneys activities in the Far East and the partici­ No. 3 shows $7,000,000 for hydroelectric shall be available for the pay and allowances pation the United States is taking in the of personnel of said organized military forces units in 1942. For what purpose is that of the government of the Commonwealth of general war approach. I see no way at expenditure if there are no dams ready the Philippines, when serving in the Philip­ all how those people over there can go to take hydroelectric units -until 1944? pine Islands, in excess of the pay and allow­ ahead with any kind of a military pro­ Mr. LEAVY. May I state to the gen­ ances authorized by Philippine -law and regu­ gram without principal assistance from tleman that while I am a member of the lations, and of which not to exceed $15,000,000 the Treas-ury of the United States. whole Appropriations Committee, I was may be restored to the emergency fund for Again I wish to compliment the com­ not a member of the subcommittee that the President, created by the Independent mittee on handling this matter in this wrote this bill. This refers to a project Offices Appropriation Act, 1942, in reimburse­ way, and under permit to include in my ment of a like amount advanced therefrom: down in the T.V. A., thousands of miles Provided, That any expenditures heretofore remarks certain editorials frorp tpe Ma­ away from the ones in the Pacific North­ or hereafter made from said appropriation nila Bulletin, I first wish to submit one west that I am particularly interested in, "Emergency fund for the President" for the which deals with this very problem we and I am not sufficiently familiar with purposes and in the manner authorized under are dealing with here today: the break-down here to intelligently an­ this heading in this act are hereby authorized [From the Manila (P. I.) Bulletin) and validated: Provided further, That any ap­ swer the gentleman's question. CONGRESS IS CONFUSED Mr. DEWEY. Can the gentleman re­ propriation for the Military Establishment fer me to someone on the committee may be applied to the purposes aforesaid The United States Congress shows itself in subject .to reimbursement by transfer from a confused state of mind as regards Philippine who can answer the question? this appropriation of the value of such prop­ finances. This is an outstanding revelation Mr. LEAVY. I am sure members of erty or service as may have been or may there­ in connection with congressional approach to the committee can answer it. The gen­ after be applied to ;uoh purposes, and any pending legislation pertaining to the financ­ tleman from Virginia [Mr. WooDRUM] amount so transferred sha-ll be available for ing of Philippine defenses. might answer it, or the gentleman from expenditure for the purposes of the appro­ A clear message is found in the records of Indiana [Mr. LUDLOW] might answer the priation so reimbursed during '-he fiscal year the debates and votes in committees of the question. _ in which such amount was received and the two Houses of Congress on pending legisla­ ensuing fiscal year. tion providing for diversion of special funds Mr. DEWEY. I thank the gentleman. for defense pmposes. It is perfectly clear May I interrogate the gentleman from Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Chairman, I that the overwhelming sentiment in Congress Virginia [Mr. WooDRUM] regarding this move to strike out the last seven words. favors doing what is necessary for Philippine item of $7,000,000-item No. 3 on page Mr. Chairman, I wish to compliment defense, but complications arise in committee 25 of the report? I cannot find where the committee for including the Philip­ hearing& through proposals to utilize special they are going to need any hydroelectric funds, such as the gold-devaluation fund and pine item of $269,000,000 in the bill. sugar-excise-tax funds. It must be said in units because there are no dams ready. Some weeks ago General Gerow and two defense of the American lawmakers that their Mr._WOODRUM of Virginia. At ex­ of his assistant officers appeared before confusion grows out of a state of affairs and isting dams, I may say to the gentleman. the Insular Affairs Committee in support · a policy for which Congress is only partially It is additional hydroelectric installation of House bill 5825, which is referred to responsible. at existing dams.' on page 47 of the committee hearings by The pending legislation relating to the Mr. DEWEY. It is tied up with items General Marshall in his testimony. financing of the defense program carries im­ 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, which presumably refer plications which Congressmen can fully un­ At that time General Gerow was asking derstand only when they have a clear under­ to Fontana and Douglas. that Congress provide some $55,000,000, standing of the future of Philippine-Ameri­ Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. It is a this sum to come from the so-called gold­ can economic relations. Congress is partially separate item. The Douglas Dam is not pro:(it fund to the extent of about $23,- to blame for the fact of a great deal of mis­ in here. Those are additional installa­ 000,000 and about $32,000,000 out of the understanding and lack of understanding on tions at dams that have heretofore been sugar excise-tax funds which have been this point, but the whole responsibility does constructed. At nearly all of these places accumulating in favor of the Philippine not rest with Congress-far from it. It does the installed capacity is greater than the not all lie in Washington. Manila also is Islands Commonwealth, all to be used largely responsible. present machinery that was put in there. partly for the purposes for which this One cannot read the news reports on the Looking to the future, there might be $269,000,000 is now provided. I sug­ House and Senate committee hearing on the occasion to add additional installations. gested to the general and his staff that pending legislation dealing with Philippine Mr. TABER. If the gentleman will they go before the Appropriations Com­ defenses without being impressed with the yield, he is referring to that steam-plant mittee and seek these funds. ever-evident willingness and clear decision to item? May I ask the chairman of the Com­ support the Philippine defense program, to Mr. DEWEY. No. This is hydroelec­ mittee on Appropriations or someone make available the necessary funds. The tric. who can speak for him whether or not picture as it is revealed in this connection [Here the gavel fell.] is encouraging on the score of an apprecia­ this $269,000,000 m::tkes unnecessary the tion in Congress of the need for strong de­ The Clerk read as follows: passage of House bill 5825, which General fense, on the score of a readiness to accept ARMY OF THE PHILIPPINES Marshall has referred to, and which is responsibility for the needed defenses and For all expenses necessary for the mobiliza­ now on the Consent Calendar for con­ on the score of determination to carry tion, operation, and maintenance of the Army sideration? through, at whatever cost, the enormous de­ of the Philippines, including expenses con­ Mr. WOODRUM of Virginia. That is fense program already undertaken. How­ nected with calling into the service of the correct. ever, there are undisputable evidences of a armed forces of the United States the organ­ hesitation in Congress to handle the finances ized military forces of the government of the Mr. CRAWFORD. I wanted that con­ in such manner as to confuse the future Commonwealth of the Philippines, and ex­ firmed, because when H. R. 5825 was · financial set-up. In other words, Congress penditures incident to pay, allowances, opera­ called up here last Monday I objected to hesitates to vote legislation without knowing tion, maintenance, and other activities of its passage, and I believe the gentle­ the implications as to existing and prospec­ units and personnel of said organized mili­ woman from Montana also objected to tive funds and the relation of these funds tary forces, and for the emergent mobilization -the passage of the bill. I think we have to the whole problem of Philippine-Ameri­ and training of such forces, may be made can relations. without regard to the provisions of law regu­ here the proper way to handle it. I was Favorable is the fact that Congress is averse lating the expenditure of or accounting for certainly opposed to using any of the gold to backing into lasting commitments through funds of the United States, but shall be ex­ profit for this purpose, and I was opposed emergency legislation. It is lamentable that pended and accoun te1. for in a manner pre­ to using the sugar excise-tax funds, this attitude of Congress should delay action scribed by ·(;he President of the United States, which should be use~ for the purpose of on urgent legislation in an emergency period, 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9475 but the background of this whole case is so the hearings whether or not such a con­ Mr. CLASON. Somebody should get confusingly complicated that blind baste be­ tract has been entered into. I should some information as to that. comes distinctly dangerous. like to have the chairman of the com- · Mr. CANNON of Missouri. The gen­ Mr. Chairman, although the Filipinos mittee enlighten us on whether or not it eral policy of the Government is to favor cannot provide for these vast military has been entered into. the utilization of subcontractors in order and naval expenditures, there are certain Mr. CANNON of Missouri. It is a sup­ to help small business. Presumably all performances they can carry out. I now plementary order providing for rifles, all contracts and contractors follow that refer to a very practical operation in of which are to be sent to England. None policy unless some special circumstance which I believe the Filipinos are greatly of them is for our own troops. It is all interferes. If the gentleman will ask of deficient and, I may say, negligent. It is lease-lend material. the War Department about this particu­ the matter of tilling their own soil and Mr. CLASON. Do I correctly under­ lar case they can give him the informa­ producing tons and tons of food for the stand from the gentleman's statement tion he asks. population. The Filipinos are too greatly that already the Remington Arms Co. has Mr. CLASON. Has the Government inclined to be lawyers, politicos, theorists. a contract to supply Springfield rifles at the present time entered into any They are too much inclined to wait for through either the lease-lend program agreement with the British Government the other nationals to till the soil, operate or any . other program of the Govern­ whereby any repayment for or any plan the merchandising establishments, and ment? for disposing of articles furnished under perform those other activities so neces­ Mr. CANNON of Missouri. This is the lend-lease program after the war has sary to make a strong, reliant, dependable merely supplementary. been determined upon? nation. After all, Mr. Chairman, every Mr. CLASON. But the Remington Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Negotia­ group must have its numbers who will Arms Co. at the present time has a con­ tions are now in progress with Great perform the practical and what we might tract with the Government for Spring­ Britain and with all other nations we term "menial tasks" so necessary in times field rifles? If so, how many? are supplying with lend-lease material. of trouble. I am convinced that the Fili­ Mr. CANNON of Missouri. The opera­ Negotiations have been concluded with pino in general operates on the basis that tion is already under way, and this merely three or four countries whom we are he can get some other person to do that supplements contract already in force. supplying with a smaller volume of ma­ for him. In times of adversity that gen­ Mr. CLASON. What number of rifles terial. eral approach may prove to be fatal. I does the contract call for? Mr. CLASON. Have they been con­ now submit for the RECORD another edi­ Mr. CANNON of Missouri. We are cluded with England? torial from the Manila Bulletin: paying contract price of $60 per unit for Mr. CANNON of Missouri. We have [From the Manila (P. 1.) Bulletin of October these rifles. not yet concluded negotiations with 17, 1941] Mr. CLASON. I only wish to know the Great Britain, but when we do, ample number of rifles. provision will be made for reimburse­ ON THE FOOD FRONT ment and compensation in accordance Numerous reports indicate substantial Mr. CANNON of Missouri. The num­ progress on tho food front in the Philippine ber to be provided by the manufacturers with the provisions of the lend-lease law. emergency campaign. Increased interest and is 400,000. [Here the gavel fell.] Increased planting of v£getables are reported. Mr. CLASON. That is on this supple­ Mr. CLASON. Mr. Chairman, I ask Progress is encouraging. mentary order? · unanimous consent to proceed for 2 addi­ However, it must be admitted that only a Mr. CANNON of Missouri. That is tional minutes. small start bas been made if we reckon prog­ right. The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection ress on the basis of the extreme backwardness Mr. CLASON. What is the original to the request of the gentleman from before the start of the emergency campaign Massachusetts? to awaken the country to a realization of which that supplements? vulnerability to the blockading of the chan­ Mr. CANNON of Missouri. We have There was no objection. nels of food imports. All the vegetable plant- . no information on that. Mr. CLASON. That was the same lngs so far effected would hardly do more Mr. CLASON. Can the gentleman tell answer that was given with regard to the than provide a temporary relief in event of us whe ·~her or not the Remington Arms agreement with Great Britain on lend­ a real emergency. Much more is needed to Co. is making these rifles, or is it securing lease materials when the last bill was up assure the people of the islands that they may parts by subcontracts? for consideration. When do you expect not have to go hungry and suffer the weak­ this agreement to be reached with Great ness that results from dietary unbalance. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Such de­ One of the most important points about tails are not brought to the attention of Britain? the food campaign is the fact that if it is the committee, but the information could Mr. CANNON ·of Missouri. Of course, successful the benefits will be lasting, whether be readily secured from the Department. it is impossible to adjudicate such com­ or not an emergency comes in acute form. That is minutiae into which the commit­ plicated questions overnight. As the A recent arrival in the Philippines expressed tee does not go. situation develops, provision has to be great surprise over failure to find extensive Mr. CLASON. It seems to me it is very made for contingencies which cannot be vegetable gardens such as are to be found important at this time in connection with foreseen and which require intricate surrounding most cities the size of Manila. consideration and adjustment. It will This visitor inquired about the source of sup­ this item involving such a large sum of ply for the tables and the reserve stocks of money, because the gentleman from necessarily be some time yet before nego­ foodstuffs and commented on the dangers of Pennsylvania [Mr. FADDIS] has already tiations can be concluded, but we may be further curtailment of shipping. When some brought out information to indicate that certain that nations to which supplies of the newly planted emergency gardens were the Remington Arms Co. is not contract­ are delivered will be required to account pointed out the visitor made the candid com­ ing directly with subcontractors, but is for and to make provision in payment ment that if the showing is so small under buying through brokers, who are making for benefits received. emergency pressure the supplies must be next as high as 22 to 30 percent commissions Mr. CLASON. Does the chairman ex­ to nothing in normal times. pect that the United States Government And that comment is far too close to the on these contracts. If these rifles are actual fact. going to England under the lend-lease will be paid in full for these items costing program and there is any intention, pro­ billions of dollars that are loaned or Mr. CLASON. Mr. Chairman, I rise vided the rifles are not returned, to leased to foreign countries? in opposition to the pro forma amend­ charge England for them, it does not Mr. CANNON of Missouri. We expect ment. seem to me the Government is looking ample recompense, either tangible or in- . Mr. Chairman, I have asked for this out properly for the interests either of its tangible, for all we are supplying. time to secure some information. On own citizf..ns or of the British subjects. Mr. CLASON. Would the gentleman page 5, under "Ordnance Department," Mr. CANNON of Missouri. The policy think it is fair to charge England $60 for the bill calls for the sum of $2,464,984,000 of ~he Department has been, wherever a rifle if Colonel FADDIS brings out that for ordnance service and supplies. In the possible, to assist the small manufacturer the United States permitted a broker to hearings testimony was given which through subcontracting. If for any rea­ step in and make 20 percent profit- which would indicate that the War .Department son this particular item does not comply had nothing to do with the matter of plans to contract for 400,000 Springfield with that policy we would not be apprised supply? rifles at $60 per rifle from the Remington of the fact. We have no information on Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Our com­ Arms Co. It is not possible to tell from that phase of it. mittee does not deal with that phase of 9476 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5 operations, we know nothing about such involved, that it is not a very satisfactory explanations of its ·underlying-purposes made . details.' That is for the committee inves­ answer to the Members of the House to before the committees of ·Congress and upon the floor of both ~ouses during its discussion tigating expenditures, and I am certain say every time such a bill comes up, that make abundantly clear that its purpose was all such questions will have their care­ negotiations are under way, but nothing in the true sense to lend our aid to the ful attention. specific can be said, not even that prog­ nations resisting aggression and upon terms The CHAIRMAN. The time of the ress is being made in connection with the of benefit and value to the United States to gentleman from Massachusetts has again matter. Undoubtedly, it is most difficult be determined in accordance with the vary­ expired. to draft such an agreement, but let us ing circumstances and -possibilities of each Mr. CLASON. Mr. Chairman, I ask enter into a fair proposition amicably situation. now and not leave loose ends to create As has been stated to your committee by unanimous consent to proceed for 2 min­ an officer of this Department, negotiations utes more. hard feelings after the war is over. are now under way with the British Gov­ The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? Mr. ROBSION of Kentucky. Mr. An­ ernment concerning the terms of the trans­ There was no objection. thony Eden seemed to indicate clearly actwns and the nature of the benefits to Mr. FADDIS. Mr. Chairman, will the that there were no negotiations, and that the United States. I can· state both that gentleman yield? no accounting ·has been called for. there is no purpose in these negotiations to Mr. CLASON. Yes. . Mr. CLASON. I am in favor of the ex­ prqpose terms such as were intemperately penditure of the money contained in this charged in the statement to which Mr. Eden Mr. FADDIS. The gentleman has was replying, and also that the- discussions raised a -legitimate and pertinent ques­ bill under. the Lend-Lease Act for war are concerned with considerations of value tion in connection with this item. I am materials for Britain, Russia, Turkey and to the United States, tangible and intangible. glad to assure the gentleman and to as­ China. I have voted for each appropria­ · Sincerely yours, sure the Committee that the special sub­ tion bill for this purpose. CORDELL HULL. committee No.3 of the House Committee - I am in favor of giving them all the aid Mr. CASE of Smith Dakota. Mr. on Military Affairs will go into this mat­ we can possibly give them. I believe it Chairman, will the gentleman yield? ter very thoroughly and I am sure -I am is a good investment for our own national Mr. CANNON of Missouri. . I yield to safe in my statement that if it is found defense and may save the lives of count­ less American boys. the .gentleman from South Dakota. · · that the Remington Arms Co. or any Mr. CASE of South Dakota. I wonder other company is jacking up prices un­ Mr. RICH. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? ~f the chairman can make any· statement necessarily in connection with Govern­ in_ regard to the announcement in the ment contracts, the proper steps will be , Mr. CLA.SON. I yield. · Mr. RICH. Can ·you· conceive of any paper the other day in coimection with taken to recover this money. The items the extension of the one billion dollar we have already discovered ha-ve been reason why a commission should be paid by this Government or by manufacturers lease-lend loan to Turkey, that the ex~ rather inconsequential items in a way tension was to be· made to Great Britain connected -with parts for· the · making of in order to get a Government contract at this time?· . who would in turn be able to take care cartridges, but I- again assure the gentle­ of her commitments to provide military man and the members of the Committee Mr. CLASON. No. That is what I was asking about. · aid to ~u::key, by passmg ·it along to that this matter will receive very- thor­ Turkey? ough and searching investigation in all . [Here the gavel fell.] . of its aspects. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair­ Mr. CANNON of Missouri. That mat~ The CHAffiMAN. The time of the man, the newspaper .statement to which ter has not come before the committee, gentleman from Massachusetts has ·again the gentleman from Kentucky [Mr. because the Q,U~sti6n had not developed expired. RoBINSON] refers was callE"d to my atten­ at th_e. time the bill was reported to the Mr. ROBSION of Kentucky. Mr. tion and I directed an inquiry on the HOU[?e...... Chairman, I ask unanimous consent that matter to the Secretary of State. · The - Mr.-CASE of South Dakota. I wonder the geritleman1s time be ·extended for an Secretary in a letter which I ask to in­ if the chairman would care to state additional 2 .minutes. clude in the RECORD, supplies the in­ . \vhether in his opinion.h would be better · The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? formation which the gentleman requests. business for us to make these extensions Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair­ The letter is as follows: directly to the several · countries rather than to make them to Great Britain and man, reserving the right to object: my DEPARTMENT OF STATE, individ~ friend, the gentleman from Massachu­ Washington, December 3, 1941 let her get the credit with these setts has had several extensions of time, MY DEAR MR. CANNON: In your letter of ual nations, and have just one creditor and we would be glad to give him more November 28, 1941, you call my attention to or would it be better for us to spread ou~ but we are 'behind schedule on this bill. a statement made by Mr. Eden in the House creditors? I shail not·object, but I trust we can close of Commons to the effect that under the Mr. CANNON of Missouri. It is purely debate on the item and move along, as lend-lease arrangement -there is no account­ an executive matter under the authori­ ing and no debt is piling up and suggest that zation of the Lease-Lend Act. we are anxious to pass the bill this after­ the exact tenor and purport of Mr. Eden's noon. _remarks be examined by the State Depart­ Mr. RICH. Will the gentleman yield? The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? ment in order that the Congress may not mis­ Mr. CANNON of Missouri: I yield. · There was no objection. understand the situation. Mr. RICH. With reference to the Mr. ROBSION of Kentucky. Mr. An examination of Mr. Eden's statement question asked by the gentleman from Chairman, will the gentleman yield? .in its context shows that he was replying South Dakota [Mr. CASE 1 it certainly Mr. CLASON. Yes. :to a misinformed and unjust criticism of the would be to the advantage of. the United · Mr. ROBSION of Kentucky. Mr. purpose .and effect of the Lend-Lease Act in States to have many creditors, because we which the accusation was made that the know that in the last World War the only Chairman, the gentleman from Massa­ recipients of 1-.nd-lease aid were bPing placed chusetts put a very direct and searching in bondage to repay debts which were ac­ creditor that has seen fit to pay us was question to the chairman of the Commit­ cumulating. Mr. Eden's remarks were made little Finland, and England repudiated tee on Appropriations in charge of this in the course of repudiating any such intP-n­ her debt. So that if- you except all the bill. He inquired whether or not any of tion or effect in the operation of the Lend­ debts of all of the other countries and these billions would be repaid. He does Lease Act. take only Great Britai11, you know you not seem to be as well informed upon the The procedures under tlie act and its pur­ are not going to get anything. subject as Mr. Anthony Eden of the pose are clear. An exact record is kept-as is Mr. CRAWFORb ~ I wish to refer to shown from the quarterly reports made by the language at the top. of -page 7 of the British Government. When that ques­ the President to the Congress--of all aspects bill, which reads: . tion was put to him the other day .about of the transactions and transfers occurring piling up debts in favor of the United under the act. The act provides in section When serving in the Philippine Islands, in States, he said that nothing had been said 3 (b) that the terms and conditions upon excess of the pay and allowances authorized about any accounting, and no accounting which any foreign government receives any by Philippine law and regulations. _aid shall be those which the President deems had been made or report.made. satisfactory, and the benefit to the United In connection with this $269,000,000 Mr. CLASON. I want to answer the States may be payment or repayment in kind can the gentleman say whether or not it gentleman from Kentucky. It seems to or property or any other direct or indirect is the intent of the military authorities ·me that after all these months, and in benefit which the President deems satisfac­ in charge of the Philippine Constabu­ View of the tremendous sums of money tory. The very name of the act and the lary and. the Philippine -forces to increase 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9477 the pay of those men so .that it will con­ training under fine Army officers from General Drum has discovered a definite form to the same rate of pay which is top to bottom. It was one of the biggest way, I believe, of stopping tanks. paid to men in the United States Army? Army maneuvers-the biggest, prob­ - I want to take the few moments re­ I am informed that there is a very strong ably-ever held in the United States, if maining to me this afternoon, if I may, movement in Manila at the present time not in the world, and, as far as I _could to make some comments not only as an to have the Commonwealth Legislature see and learn, I believe it was conducted individual Member of this -House, but as raise ·the pay of the Philippine officers from beginning to end in a very fine mili­ the ranking minority member of the and men so that that pay under their tary manner. I have come home with Foreign Affairs Committee, on the state­ law will conform to the same rate of pay the absolute conviction that the Ameri­ ment that appeared in the public press which is drawn by our men in our service, can soldier is the equal of any soldier in yesterday that someone in the Army or and thereby meet the requirements of the world; and there is every reason for the Navy, and possibly the President was this bill. that when you analyze it, because · the preparing for an American expeditionary Mr, CANNON of Missouri. That is American boy physically, mentallY; and force of 5,000,000 and an army of 10,- speclftcally provided for in the bill itself. morally is not only the equal but, I be­ 000,000 men. I am· unwilling to believe The gentleman will note on -pages ·a and lieve, the superior of any boy in the world, that the President has given his. support 7 it is provided that "no such moneys and given the training they have had in to any such program providing for an shall be available for the pay and-allow­ these maneuvers they become trained expeditionary force of 5,000,000 ·men. In ances of personnel of said organized mili­ soldiers, and with about 6 months' fur­ fairness to himself he should deny it im­ t.ary forces of the Government of the ther training, and particularly with sup­ mediately. I ' want to go . on record as Commonwealth of the Philippines, when plies and equipment which are lacking in saying that I believe there would be few, serving in the Philippine Islands-, in ex­ some cases, our Army by t~e 1st of July, if any, Members of Congress who would cess of the pay and allowances author­ at least for defensive·purposes, will equal get up on the floor of the House or go ized by· Philippine law and regulations." any army in the world. If any army in back to their districts and say they were [Here the gavel fell.] the world-Nazis included-ever comes in favor of an expeditionary force of Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Chairman, I over here looking for trouble, we will give 5,000,000 Americans. That proposal of a ask unanimous consent that the gentle­ them all the trouble they are looking for new A. E. F. has been disavowed by every man may have 2 additional minutes. and give them a first-class licking as well. party platform, it has been repeatedly The CHAffiMAN. Without objection, I could go on at some length on this sub­ disavowed by the President himself and i.t is so ordered. ject. I-al-so want to say I was assigned by almost every Member of Congress. I There was no objection. while there by General Drum to the new am not accusing the President of any­ - Mr. CRAWFORD. If I may say to the tank attacker unit. I consider General thing, but I want the people back home chairman, the question I raise is this: Drum to be one of the best commanding to know that there. are few, if any, Mem­ is there a movement on, in the military officers we have had in our Army. bers of Congress who are in favor or who policy of the Philippine Commonwealth, · I believe General Griswold, his oppo­ would dare to say they are in favor of an to make the rate of pay which these men nent, is also a fine officer; and General American expeditionary force of 5,000,000 draw by legislative act. over ther.e con­ Devers, head of the tank force, ·is one of soldiers fighting all over the world. form to the pay which our men draw in the very best officers in· our Army. Gen­ We are now confronted with a _crystal­ the service of the United States? eral -Marshall, our Chief of Staff, is like­ clear issue. All other issues are minor, Mr. CANNON of Missouri. As the gen­ wise an able, -efficient, and outstanding such as the -repeal of the Neutrality Act, tleman has noted, there has been· some officer. I think we ought to be proud of lend-lease bill, and all the rest; they are mention in the newspapers of the pos­ the leadership of the Army of the United water over the mill dam. Now we have sibility that the Philippine Legislature States. reached the main issue and that is, Shall may ·take some such action. Of course, Mr. COLE of Maryland. Mr. Chair-­ we go into this war or shall we stay-out? any action by the insular legislature man, will the gentleman yield? Shall we have an expeditionary force or is entirely out of our province. That is . Mr. FISH. I yield. shall we not? And, furthermore, Shall a matter of their exclusive jurisdiction.­ Congress decide the war issue in- the But r wm ·say,-however, that the rate of Mr. CdLE of Maryland. I may say to American and constit:utional way, or-shall pay and allowances, as provided here; the gentleman that it was my privilege it be decided by the Secretary of War, amounts to about one-half the pay of our also to be in . the maneuver area several the Secretary of the Navy, or someone own forces. times. I think one of the outstanding else for us? These three issues are one Mr. CRAWFORD. That is what I un­ thin.gs; in addition to what the gentleman and-identical.. They constitute but the derstood. has commented on, is the fine way in single greatest issue .before the American [Here the gavel fell.] which the people of the South received people, and I am only. asking the Mem­ Mr. FISH. · Mr. Chairman, I move to the boys who participated in these bers of the House to decide this issue by strike out the last word. maneuvers. - one yardstick and one yardstick alone: Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous con­ Mr. FISH. Yes. We got wonderful co­ What is best for America? Not what is ·sent to proceed for 5 additional minutes. operation and welcome from all · the best for the British Empire, the Com­ · The CHAIRMAN. - Without objection, people of the South. munists, or the Chinese. it is so ordered. I was assigned by General Drum to the It is not asking too much of you Mem­ There was no objection. antitank unit, or what we call the tank­ bers of Congress to think this issue . The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman attacker group, a new kind or almost a through upon that one basis, what is from New York is recognized for 10 secret weapon at that time, although best for America. I do not care which minutes. · now, .of course, it is well known as an side you are on or what your decision is Mr. FISH. Mr. Chairman, -I have not important combat unit which General as long as you think it through, We spoken in the House since I went on a Drum devised. The tank-attacker must bring the war issue up on the floor tour of duty as a Reserve colonel in the groups are composed of mechanized and of the House, discuss it, argue it, and Army maneuvers, and since I have re­ motorized _troops with 75's, 3-irich guns, debate it, because it involves the safety, turned I have been somewhat busy with 37-millimeter guns, machine guns, tanks, the security, and the destiny of America, grand jury proceedings. In view of the engineers, signal corps, and so forth. the greatest nation in the world. fact, however, that we are now consider­ The units of that group are supposed to I want to say one thing further, and I ing a national-defenSe measure, I wanted find enemy tanks, follow them, and fight want you to believe what I am saying to to take this occasion to report very briefly them. It was a great experience, and you comes from my heart, and from the on what I saw at the Army maneuvers. perhaps as great as I wanted for the ·mind; it comes from every fiber in my In the first place, I want to go on record time being, because · I averaged about 4 body. I have believed it for 20 years. as saying that the morale of our soldiers hours' sleep a night during the time I War is the greatest criminal folly and i,s exceedingly high, that their spirit and was attached to tank-attacker unit No. the height of all futility, and I believe their cheerfulness is excellent, a:n,d that 1 under Col. John T. Kennedy. But the ·the day we go into war we will have lost, they have been.undergoing in those ma­ scheme worked; they found the tanks; although we may be victorious in 5, 10, neuvers a very rigid and constructive they attacked them and stopped them. or 20 years, as Senator PEPPER said, and L::l'~XVII--598 9478 . CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5 at a cost of $100,000,000,000 a year. One ranted by the documents it purports to it to have a referendum, I guess, to find or two years of war would bankrupt quote? out whether or not the people believe it. America. W.e would have an impover­ · Mr. FISH. Does not the gentleman That would be an issue, perhaps, a refer- ished nation. think then the President ought to disavow endum. . I am not talking about lives. Today's it himself? I want to apologize if I have misunder-. paper refers to an army of 10,000,000. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. If the stood his language. If I am correct, he There would probably be 3,000,000 President of the United States, or the should make ·some clarification,. either killed and 3,000,000 more maimed Chief Executive of any other nation at­ when he corrects his remarks or later. and disabled, to come back to a living tempted to disavow every misrepresenta­ [Here the gavel fell.] death. Not a single family in America tion made by the columnists of the daily Mr. JOHNS. . Mr. Chairman, I offer an· could escape death, blood, and tears, newspapers, he would have no time to amendment. even if we won, even if we crushed Hitler. devote to any other interest, either for­ The Clerk read as follows: I am for crushing Hitler by aiding the eign or domestic. Amendment offered by Mr. JoHNs: On page democracies. I have no use for the Nazis, [Here the gavel fell.] 7, line 22, strike.out lines 22 to 25, inclu-sive, and I have voted for the appropriations The Clerk read as follows% and on page 8 strike out lines 1 to 7, inclu­ sive. for lend-lease supplies for Great Britain. GENERAL PROVISION I repeat, if we enter the war and· finally SEc. 102. Whenever the. President deems it Mr. JOHNS. Mr. Chairman, I do not destroy the German Army, we cal). only to be in the interest of national defense, he know whether or not you have given very do one thing and that is to revive com­ may authorize the Secretary of War to sell, much thought to the matter of appropri­ munism, and helf.l establish communism transfer title to, exchange, lease, lend, or ating here for lend-lease purposes, but if in Germany, Italy, Poland, France-all otherwise dispose of, to the go~ernment of you will figure it up you will find that of Europe-with American lives and any country whose defense the President with the $7,000,000,000 we have already treasure. We are now asked to go out deems vital to the defense of the United States, any defense article procured ·from appropriated and the $5,985,000,000 later and spread the four freedoms even in funds appropriated for the Military Estab­ appropri~ted, plus the $1,556,496,264 and Soviet Russia. It seems obvious to me lishment since March 11, 1941, in accordance the $500,000,000 I am just now asking to that if we crush Germany, Germany will with the provisions of the act of March 11, strike ·aut; there is a grand total of go communistic. The Russian Army will 1941 (Public, No. 11). The value of defense $15,043,496,264. then overrun Europe and Europe will be articles disposed of in any way under au­ I was thinking this morning as I passed. communistic. We in America will be thority of this paragraph shall not exceed down the aisle here voting on an amend­ impoverished and bankrupt. We will $500,000,000. ment to increase an appropriation from have revolution, chaos, destruction of our Mr. CREAL. Mr. Chairman, I move $10,000,000 to $15,000,000 in order that liberties, we may even lose our form of to strike out the last word. the boys might come home in order to government and have a dictator such as Mr. Chairman, I have listened most see their fathers and mothers and broth­ has never been known. That -is the al­ interestingly to the gentleman from New ers and sisters and sweethe-arts just what ternative, communism abroad, and the York [Mr. F'IsHl. I am at quite a loss. these fathers and mothers ·are going· to loss of our free institutions, bankruptcy, Perhaps it is due to my dullness of .com­ think and what these sweethearts and impoverishment, and ruin and disaster at prehension, and, if so, he is in no way brothers and sisters are going to think home. responsible for my bluntness. But did I back home when they find out that we All I ask is that we think this thing hear him say, or did you hear him say, voted that down and are now going to through on that one yardstick, what is that he took no stock in this report of give some foreign countri"es $500,000,000 best for America. an expeditionary force and that he could of the money· of these fathers and moth­ [Here the gavel fell.] not believe the President had sanctioned ers. That is something for us to think Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair­ such a thing? Moreover, that he did not about here. Just exactly how long can man, I ask unanimous consent that the know of any Member of Congress who you maintain the morale of the boys who gentleman may have one additional favored such a thing? In the very next are now in the service if you continue a minute. · sentence did you hear him say: or am I process of this kind? The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection mistaken, "Now I come to the main issue; A few days ago we paid out in 1 day to the request of the gentleman from that is, whether or not we shall have war over $5,000,000 for interest _on the obliga­ Missouri, Mr. CANNON? and an expeditionary force"? tions of this country, and we were asked There was no objection. What is there about an issue if there this morning to increase the appropria­ Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Will ' the is nobody on the other side? Did he tion to $15,000,000. Nobody around here gentleman yield? not say that? Read the RECORD, unless thought that these boys would come back Mr. FISH. I yield to the gentleman he changes it. He said he did not believe if they got the $15,000,000, because there from Missouri. the President said that and he did not is no bill here that provides for them to Mr. CANNON o-f Missouri. In connec­ believe any Member of this body favored come back at all. There would be an tion with the very interesting statement it. "Now we come to the main issue," appropriation to increase -the amount to which the gentleman has made, and the he stated; and what is the issue? There $15,000,000, with no authority to bring confidence which he has expressed in is nobody on the other side. Instead of the men back. The bill is still in com­ the President's opposition to any such a fiat repudiation of the papers that pub­ mittee, and everybody knows that the· bill mythical expeditionary force as has been lished it, in answering the question of will not come out of the committee. mentioned, has the gentleman found any the gentleman from Missouri, he said he I am interested in the question I asked substantiation of the repo.rt pertaining to wanted to go to the country with it. He the chairman of the Committee on Ap­ an expeditionary force of 5 or 10 million wanted to go to the country with what? propriations yesterday. It was a direct men, or any other number, or any plan I thought when you went to the country question, and I could have had a direct for raising such a force, beyond a state­ with something it was on a controversy answer if the chairman had seen fit to ment by one newspaper agency and that that at least the Congress was divided answer it, if he knew. It may be that he without factual proof or corroboration? about. I never heard before of anybody does not know. This is the question I Mr. FISH. I hope the gentleman is wanting to go to the country with an asked him, and here is his answer: correct, but if the gentleman is not cor­ issue, having the people vote on some­ Mr. JoHNS. Just one more question, if the rect I trust this issue will be taken to the thing, when there was nobody on the gentleman will permit. This appropriation contains an additional amount for lease-lend. public and to the American people in the other side. If he did not say that I will Can the gentleman inform the House just next campaign. eat the page of the RECORD on which his how much money of the original $13,000,000,- Mr. CANNON of Missouri. The gentle­ statement appears. When asked a 000 has already been spent? I do not mean man concedes that such an expedition pointed question, whether or not he be­ how much has been allocated under contract, could not be made without legislation by lieved that the report was false, he craw­ but· what has been actually spent? The Congress, and that the inference drawn fished a little bit after he got back to his Treasury reports show something over $600,- by the commentator in the one news­ seat, but ·he wanted to go to the country 000,000. paper article which is the sole basis for with it. He said here he did not believe On December 2 the report of the Treas­ all of this discussion, is wholly unwar- it, yet he wants to go to the country with ury of the United States _showed that we 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9479 had actually paid out of the $13,985,000,- would not be another gigantic war debt to be has already been placed in the RECORD 000 exactly $654,923,462.97. paid off with money they don't have and in the form of a letter from Secretary won't have, and thus there won't be the re­ · What is the reply of the chairman to criminations that followed the last war." Hull, than whom no man in America that question? Did he answer it? He. If there is no accounting of what Britain more completely enjoys the confidence of said: receives, how can there ever be return and the Congress. His letter i~ a complete We are expanding as we go ahead. It 1s replacement? answer to the gentleman's inquiry, and proceeding at an accelerated tempo. Expend­ If there is to be no debt for which Britain has already been inserted in the RECORD iture is now at the rate of $200,000,000 a is accountable to America after the war, what in full. month. It takes some time to get underway. constitutes the obligation "which must and As to the second point raised by the In many cases we have to build facilities in will be met"? gentleman, relative to lend-lease expend­ order to get production started. As of the Surely it must be enormously reassuring itures, when the gentleman asked his 13th day of November we had allocated the to the British people that the lease-lend ar­ entire $7,000,000,000 . As of December 1 about rangement is not another "hiring" of money question yesterday, I took for granted 40 percent of the $5,985,000,000 which was and materials, as Calvin Coolidge described that .he was submitting a constructive made available on October 28 had been allo­ the previous arrangement. question, and that he was really seeking cated. Mr. Eden probably spoke "out of turn," information. So I gave him the infor­ but he spoke· honestly and in strict accord­ mation applicable to the question which I want to know just exactly how much ance with the facts. he raised. As the House knows the con­ of this money has been paid out. I am It might be wished an equally representa­ trolling factor is not the azn:ount ex­ not interested in any promises of con­ tive and authoritative American statesman pended, but the amount allocated. tracts to somebody; neither am I inter­ would speak as honestly to the Ameri.can people and at least give them an accurate So far as expenditures are concerned ested in how much has been allocated to understanding of the lease-lend arrangement operations are proceeding as rapidly a~ anybody. No one around here will say on a level with Mr. Eden's assurance to the facilities permit. There is nothing Con­ anything about to whom this is allocated. British people. gress-or anybody else-can do that is I do not know whether it is allocated to I am not going to follow this any fur­ not being done. The real gage is in the somebody to build some nice little fence allocations. There is the bottleneck, if or whether it is allocated to England or ther, but I said on this fioor when this first started, that it is just as well that any. In order to expedite; in order to Turkey or Russia or whom. I think the carry out the program; in order to keep people of this country ought to know the American people know that they are not going to get this money back as it is its pro~uction going and supplies moving, where this money is going and how much allocatiOns must be kept current, and of it is going to certain places. to fool them, as they were fooled in the last war, when we loaned them millions that means keeping appropriations cur­ [Here the gavel fell.] rent and funds available. Mr. JOHNS. Mr. Chairman, I ask of dollars, and they never paid it back, and the people of the United States still All funds have now been allocated and unanimous consent .to proceed for 5 ad- eventually production will stop unless ditional minutes. · feel they ought to have it, and up until this war started, they expected that they further funds are provided. For this The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection reason it is imperative that we make ap­ to the request of the gentleman from would get it back. That is the situation confronting us. Billions of dollars have propriations now; and for this reason I Wisconsin? gave the gentleman what I thought he re­ There was no objection. been appropriated, but nobody knows where it is going, or how much of it has quested. However if he merely wanted Mr. JOHNS. I was very much inter­ to submit an oratorical question, I cite ested, of course, in the letter the chair­ already been spent, except the report of the Secretary of the Treasury, or how him to page 9430 of the CONGRESSIONAL · may had here this morning which he said . RECORD where, in the last half of the first denies the statement the gentleman from it is being allocated. I think that we are getting ready for this expeditionary force column of my remarks, the figures to Kentucky made here about the statement which he so emphatically refers are to be made by Anthony Eden in the House of that was reported in the newspapers yes­ terday, and that we are getting these ap­ found. If he had glanced through Commons. I am not like what my good the RECORD he would have noted that: friend and colleague the gentleman from priations ready, so that when the time New York [Mr. FisH] says about the comes the money may be used when the From March 27, 1941, to June 30, 1941, $21,- President. I think that Anthony Eden people will not be in such good mood to 000,000 was actually paid out. From July 1 appropriate it as they are now. to November 29, a total of $633,000,000 had actually said in the House of Commons been paid out, making a total since March just exactly what is reported. I do not Mr. ROBSION . of Kentucky. Mr. 27 of $654,000,000. know anything about this letter. If it Chairman, I rise to make a point of order is here, I hope the chairman of the Com­ against the section. There is the information about which mittee on Appropriations will put it in The CHAIRMAN. Does the gentle­ the gentleman is so deeply concerned. the RECORD today, so that the American man from Wisconsin yield for that pur­ As to the gentleman's argument in be­ people can make up their own minds as pose? half of his amendment, it is difficult to to what was said over in the House of Mr. JOHNS. I do. answer specifically, because at no time Commons. · Mr. ROBSION of Kentucky. I refer to did he give any reason for eliminating the The Milwaukee Sentinel, published at section 102. I make the point of order appropriation, or any facts in support of Milwaukee, Wis., on December 3 1941 that it is not in order because it is legis­ his amendment. He simply wants to said this: . ' ' lation on an appropriation bill. strike it out, because the House rejected The CHAIRMAN. The Chair is ready some other amendment he thought ought The most. illuminating, and certainly the to rule on that point of order. The point to go in. That is the only reason he most hone~. acknowledgment of American prodigality in the present war was made in of order comes too late, debate having advances as warranting the mutilation of a recent Commons debate by Britain's for­ been had on.the proposition. The Chair the bill. eign secretary, Anthony Eden. overrules the point of order. Now, what would be the effect of the Mr. Eden spoke in answer to a critic of Mr. RICH. Mr. Chairman,.! move to gentleman's amendment if the House in a the British Government, who said: strike out the last word. moment of mental aberration should "When this is all over the United States Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair­ agree to it? Much has been said about will hold us in financial bondage." avoiding the necessity of sending an ex­ To which Mr. Eden replied: man, I ask that all debate on this section "That is not true. and all amendments thereto close in 20 peditionary force abroad. And it is my "Under the lease-lend arrangement there is · minutes, 10 minutes to be allotted to the understar.ding that the gentleman takes no accounting and no debt piling up." committee. that view. The best way in the world to Immediately conscious of probable Ameri­ The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? avoid the necessity of sending an expedi­ ca~ reaction to this frank declaration, other There was no objection. tionary force abroad is to provide this British sources hastened to explain. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair­ money and send weapons over to arm for­ But the explanation merely confirmed the man, in response to the gentleman's sug­ Eden declaration. eign soldiers and enable them to keep the It said Britain "is, of course, committed gestion that I put this information in the war over there. By that means we will to retur:n or replace everything she receives, RECORD, if the gentleman had been giv­ keep the war out of America and America and everyone kpows this is an obligation ing any attention at all to the proceed­ out of the war. But if the gentleman is which must and will be met. Mr. Eden ings here on the fioor this afternoon, he opposed to sending arms and wishes to sought to assure the British people that there would have known that the information deny these men fighting to protect their CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5 hearthstones from the invader, the arms take all the things that are being manu­ the President deny this thing? Why with which to defend themselves and factured and most of them now contract­ does he not deny it? their homes, his amendment is the way ed for under the Lend-Lease Act and There are just two reasons for this to do it. Nothing will do more to crush give it to other countries. information getting out, in my opinion: the nonaggressor armies which stand be­ It was stated here we have contributed Either somebody let this leak out in tween . \merica and Hitler than the pas­ through lend-lease, which includes the order to cower Japan, or they saw that it sage of the gentleman's amendment cut­ $1,556,000,000 in section 3, a total of $14,- got out to sort of apprise the American ting off funds for arming our Allies 541,000,000. If this resolution is passed people gradually and softly of what was abroad. today it will amount to $15,041,000,000 coming, or just what is in their minds. Mr. RICH. Mr. Chairman, I rise in for lend-lease. That is a terrible sum. Miss SUMNER of Illinois. Mr. Chair­ favor of the amendment. That means $112 for every man, womap. man, Will the gentleman yield? Mr. Chairman, if the gentleman from and child in America. The people have Mr. LAMBERTSON. I yield. Missouri were asked to explain this to go down in their own pockets at some Miss SUMNER of Illinois. I think we $654,000,000, as to where the merchan­ time in the future to raise this money in have reason to believe that if this story dise which comprises that item went order that the President of the United of an A. E. F. were not true the Presi­ and to what countries it went, he could States may give it to countries which he dent would deny it. not tell you. He does not know. He may deem advisable. . Mr. LAMBERTSON. Cert-ainly. cannot give you a definite statement. Then I notice in the paper the British Miss SUMNER of Tilinois. Because Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Well, Mr. are to make war on Finland; the only when the same newspaper published a Chairman, the gentleman is entirely. in country we have loved, up to 3 months story about a women's defense organiza­ error in that statement. If he will con­ ago, for taking care of their obligations. tion the President within 24 hours called sult Senate Document 112, the report of Now Great Britain is going to declare war it a cockeyed lie, to use his expression, the President, made at the last date on them. When they do that the United although some of us women Members had provided by law, under the operation States, through Secretary Hull, has de­ documentary evidence of the truth of the of the Lend-Lease Act, he will find a manded them to s·tap their aggression on story in our ·desks. complete report of every expenditure in Russia. What did Russia do to Finland Mr. LAMBERTSON. The other day detail. a year ago? It was a terrible situation. the President took the time in his press Mr. RICH. I will say we tried to get Every Member of Congress disapproved conference to jump on one little maga­ this information from the _War Depart­ of the acts of Russia. Now you are going zine which said something unkind about ment and the War Department will not to turn a somersault and try to prohibit a President in South America and called give it to us. They say they do not Finland from defending herself. Where the story a lie. I think it is safe to know. They will not give it to a Mem­ are we going to? We certainly do crazy, assume that they did this to cower Japan, ber of Congress. That was stated in funny, unethical things. and it is the truth. We have been buy­ the report. _ [Here the gavel fell.] ing socks and shirts for 10,000,000 men: Mr. CANNON of Missouri. If the gen­ Mr. LAMBERTSON. What I want to We know that we are equipping an army tleman will merely refer to the docu­ say is, the biggest thing before the coun­ of 10,000,000 men, yet we go right ahead ment, he need not phone anybody. It try today is not this seven- or eight-bil­ and do it. Now, if this was not let out to is all here. lion-dollar appropriation bill, but the cower Japan, then it was.· done to let the Mr. RICH. I do not yield any fur­ biggest thing before _ the country this people know kind of easy Iike--:-because -ther,· because the gentleman cannot December day is whether this thing that the President is not denying it at all­ answer the question. came out yesterday is true or false. That that we ·are getting ready for an army of Now, this section in controversy gives is the biggest thing. 10,000,000 men. I am against this bill, the President the power to grant to the because this ordnance, the biggest item in· Secretary the right to sell, transfer title The gentleman from Missouri, the this bill, is a getting-ready for this army to, · exchange, lease-lend, or otherwise distinguished chairman of this commit­ of 10,000,000. They are fooling us. Let dispose of. It gives the President an op­ tee, is the only man I can think of who us wake up on this thing. Do not say the . portunity to do away with $500,000,000 spoke yesterday who declared there was President would not consider any such worth of merchandise and equipment nothing to it; that it was just a news_­ thing, for the President is committed tQ that is now for our own national defense paper timing proposition, with no faun-· crush Hitler, and the Army told him that in any way and manner he sees fit. He dation at all. I think he is the only man to crush Hitler would take 10,000,000 men. now has too much power. I say to the who went that far. Following him was [Here the gavel fell.] House of Representatives that our house our distinguished leader, JoHN TABER, Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair­ is not in order. We have not taken who agrees with him on the war policy, man, I ask that the remainder of the care of our national defense. Every­ who said that all the quotes he thought committee's time be allotted to the gen­ thing we are doing now is for foreign were substantially true. Now, there is tleman from South Carolina [l\1r. HARE]. countries. We are shipping out of this the difference. There was ·not anybody The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman fro_nl country the things that were manufac­ else who said it but the gentleman from South Carolina [Mr. HARE] is recognized tured for our own defense, and we could Missouri. for 5 minutes . . _ not defend our own shores if we were We know from the news releases of Mr. HARE. Mr. Chairman, in view of attacked. · last night that there were hurried con­ the discussions relative to a report in­ Mr. Chairman, I am going to offer an ferences between the Secretary of War, dicating the possibility of an expedi­ amendment to -strike out title 3 of this the Secretary of the Navy, and the Pres­ tionary force, and in view of the fact it bill, and I am going to ask unanimous ident yesterday to find out who it was is conceded the President knows nothing consent that I may eliminate the whole that leaked. · of the report, that_the Secretary of War title at one time, but if unanimous con­ Now, who was it leaked? That was has no idea of authorizing such a force, sent is not granted, then I am going to important. I think . it is unfortunate that the Secretary of the Navy has no be compelled to offer 10 amendments in that the gentleman from New York [Mr. knowledge of it, the question arises ~s order that we might accomplish that. , FISH] referred to the campaign of next to whose idea it could be. Who is it that I do not know how the House feels year. My goodness! This question of first suggested the possibility of an ex­ about taking care of our own national beirig in this war· is going to be over pediUonary force of 5,000,000 men? defense. I am for America 100 percent, before the November election ·of next I am wondering whether or not the and I want to build up our own national year. It will be too late to make an emissaries of Hitler in this country could defense before ·we ship out everything issue out of this 10,000,000-mari expedi- have been responsible for the suggestion that we have got in this country to de­ tionary force __ next November. _ _ in order to get the-reaction of Congress fend our country with, and then permit One of the reasons I am against this arid the people. It has been intimated some enemy to come a.nd attack us. bill is because most of this money is in­ that 2 years ago, before . Hitle~ undertook Now, that is the situation in which we tended to be used for the _purpose of to ·overrun Europe, the question was find ourselves today. It is a deplorable getting this Army of 10,000,000 men 4sked in this country whether there would condition. _Certainly we should not per­ ready. I believe they are really .counting be an expeditionary force." We knew that mit the President of the United States to on it. If this is not true why did not England and France had not paid us for 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9481 our aid in the World War. It was sug­ The Clerk read as follows: ordination between officers and men on gested we would be foolish to again be BUREAU OF MEDICINE AND SURGERY the great problems confronting them caught in the same trap. I do not know Care of the dead, $100,000, of which amount from day to day will aid in bringing our whether it was propaganda or not, but we $10,000 shall be available for the payment Army up to the modern standard toward subscribed to the suggestion and said1 of obligations incurred dur!ng the fiscal year which it is working. "No," all. the way from the President of 1941. While we found the men and officers the United States down to the humblest in the best of spirits, Mr. Chairman, we citizen. We said "No," there would be no Mr. STEFAN. Mr. Chairman, I move found a shortage of very important mod­ American expeditionary force in Europe. to strike out the last word. ern mechanized materiel. There is suf­ Of course, this was exactly what Hitler Mr. Chairman, this bill carries an ap­ ficiency of shoulder arms, but there seems wanted to know before he arranged propriation of around $8,000,000,000 mak­ to be a lack of small-arms ammunition, his campaign to overrun Europe. Now, ing supplemental appropriations for the which the soldiers seemed to miss, be­ since he has practically rearranged the national defense for the fiscal year end­ cause they appeared to want that part of map of Europe and before charting his ing June 30, 1942, and June 30, 1943. the activity which makes war games more plans to enlarge his operations for next This is a gigantic amount of money, and realistic. year in his world-domination program, when it is passed and the money made Mr. Chairman, these maneuvers are he would like to know whether the United available we will have made available over. It was a great war game, and I States would be willing to send an ex­ for national defense around $68,000,000,- hope it has resulted in much good train­ peditionary force of 5,000,000 men to for- · 000 in the last 2 years. We of the Ap­ ing for both men and officers. But I hope eign soil. Therefore, in view of Nazi propriations Committee are certain that that _this training is directed at actual propaganda in this country for the last next February or next March there will national defense and the defense of the 3 years, and in the absence of anyone be additional appropriations for the same Western Hemisphere. In this debate who is willing to say that he or she is purpose. I know there is not now and there is so much talk about another · responsible for circulating that report, there has not been objection toward mak­ American expeditionary force. I hope I can see that it may be the Nazi emis­ ing appropriations for actual national there is no truth in these reports. I pray saries trying to find out whether we have defense. I am pleased that our investi­ that nothing like that is planned now. changed our minds or not. Perhaps Hit­ gating committees are working and bring­ Our people do not want it. The cold fact ler and his associates would like to know ing to light the efforts to sabotage our is that our Army is not ready for it. We in advance just what the sentiment is defense by those who are trying to make just do not have the trained men nor the in this country and just what we are big profits out of national-defense ex­ necessary personnel for any such under­ planning to do so they will be able to penditures. The public demands that we taking. The Army experts to whom we chart their program for the next few get a full dollar's worth of defense for talked in these maneuvers told us that we years. every dollar we are spending. Therefore are far behind in being ready for such a I think it is just as reasonable to make I hope these committees be continued thing. Even some of the foreign military this assumption as it is; in the absence of until all of these alleged ·~rackets" are' experts who were there indicated that any additional information, to say it eliminated. fact to us. Our confidential meetings comes from the President, the Secretary It was my privilege to attend· the .recent with the War Department experts also of War, the Secretary of State, or the Ar:m,y maneuvers in North and South indicate that we are not ready. So let Secretary of the Navy, because we all Carolina, and I wish to compliment the there be an end to the talk about another know that this Congress has already chairman o( the Military Affairs Com­ American expeditionary force. Let us gone on record by ·legislative edict as mittee the gentleman from Kentucky here concentrate on building up our own opposing an expeditionary force. We [Mr. MAY] and his committee members defense and the defense of our own hem­ have said that it cannot be done under for attending these maneuvers and for isphere and include something toward any circumstances without further ac­ the fine reports they have made. Those Winning .the economic war which is bound tion of the Congress. We said that last of us attending those maneuvers had the to co~e in. the post-war period. That year when we passed the Selective Serv­ opportunity of visiting with many of the problem is .not discussed here today, but ice Act. Then why, why should we be officers and enlisted men and discussing it will be a .serious problem. . . _ putting up a straw man now only to knock with them their various problems .. , We Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. Will him down? Why should we be putting visited with General Drum and General the gentleman yield? up this idea and call it an issue, in order GriSwold and their staffs. We attended Mr. STEFAN. I yield to the gentle- to discuss it? the critiques following each days activi­ woman from Massachusetts. · To my mind, the issue suggested comes ties in the field. We went with the men Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. The from other sources. It does not come into the field, and we ate with them and distinguished gentleman from Massachu­ from the fertile brain of Members of Con­ visited their tents and- places of abpde. setts, Senator LoDGE, who has been in gress, because we know it is futile, we I wish to take this opportunity of telling training in the South, stated in Worcester know it is absurd, we know it is abso­ you that I am proud of the men and offi­ on Tuesday last, "There is a shortage of lutely uncalled for in view of the definite, cers whom I saw in action in those ma­ ammunition." Does not the gentleman positive action we have heretofore taken. neuvers. They displayed the best spirits deplore the fact that we are so fa_.r be­ Does it come from the emissaries of Hit­ possible. Their morale was excellent and hind in our small arms and ammunition? ler, and then leave to us to peddle it? their cooperation was ideal. I believe I mean cartridges from .30s to .50s? [Here the ga_vel fell.] they represent the finest manhood in the Mr. STEFAN. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on world, and when eventually trained will Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. the amendment offered by the gentle­ be the best soldiers 1n the world. -There ·are many plants that could be man from Wisconsin EMr. JoHNs]. It was a real pleasure, Mr. Chairman, used. There are many plants in my dis­ - The question was taken; and on a to find our colleague the gentleman froni trict that could be used, but those plants division (demanded by Mr. JoHNS), there Pennsylvania, Colonel FADDis, actively en­ have not been used. Lowell produced were--ayes 19, noes 59. gaged in the field with his troops, and we more cartridges during the World War So the amendment was rejected. were pleased to be given a fine report of than any other community. Those The Clerk read as follows: the work done by our other colleague the buildings are ready for use today with TITLE II-NAVY DEPARTMENT gentleman from New York, Colonel FisH, highly trained labor· available, power, Mr. RICH. ·- Mr. Chairman, a parlia­ who was also engaged with his troops in railroads, and sidings, heat, and .light. mentary inquiry. the ·same maneuvers. · - Mr. STEFAN. · The-· gentlewoman is The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman will · One thing that impressed ine was the · ·correct.· · · state it. Close friendship between officers and men. Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusets. It is Mr. RICH. I would like to know what To find that in. critiques the noncommis­ a .tragic thing. the reading of section 103 means." sioned officers were to be brought· to­ . Mr. STEFAN. The Army,·in my. opin­ The CHAffiMAN. That is a citation, 'getlier with tlie commissioned officers in · ion; is cognizant of that fact and ls·trying that is all. It is a cit~tion for the pur~ order to work out the various war prob:. to bring up the necessary supplies. · 'pose of identification. The Clerk will : -iems indicated a: great advance 'tn o'ur . , · ·Mrs. ROGERS ~ of . ~ Ma.Ssacliusetts. ·react' - -· ·.Abny psychology. i· believe that this co:. ~ey are not· acting very· qui?kly ~·: on lt. 9482 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5 In fact, there has been an incredible de­ Mr. RICH. Mr. Chairman, I make the under the act of October 28, 1941, you lay. If available facilities had been used, point of order against title ill that it is appropriated $5,985,000,000; .and the the shortage of cartridges would not exist legislation on an appropriation bill. amount in this bill is $1,556,000,000 for today. The CHAIRMAN. Will the gentleman lease-lend, a total of $14,541,000,000. Mr. STEFAN. Perhaps that is true. point out for the benefit of the Chair Adding in the $500,000,000 you appropri­ what there is in the title that is legisla­ ated in section 102 a few minutes ago Mr. Chairman, I want to call attention 1 to something that came to our desk in tion? makes the total $15,041,000,000, or $112 tht last day or two. I refer to the ad­ Mr. RICH. It reads as follows: for every man, woman, and child in vance copy of Fortune. I recommend To enable the President, through such de­ America. The President can and will that A.ll ·Members read it. That article partments or agencies of the Government as give it away. It is other people's money, on How Good Is Our Army? should be he may designate, further to carry out the and he is used to it. Do not forget that. the handbook of the Army and Navy and provisions of an act to promote the defense We are giving the President of the the people of America who are interested of the United States. United States power to make a distribu­ in really developing an army for real It gives the President of the United tion to the various countries as he sees national defense OL any other emergency. States power here. fit, and you call it national defense. [Here the gavel fell.] The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will be Again I say, I am for the national defense The Clerk read as follows: glad to hear the gentleman from Mis­ of America 100 percent, but I do not be­ lieve that this is for our national defense. TITLE Ill-DEFENSE Am souri on the point of order. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair­ · It is only for the aid and assistance of SEC. 301. To enable the President, through foreign countries, to the detriment of the such departments or agencies of the Govern­ man, that is merely a repetition of what ment as he may designate, further to carry is in the act of March 11, 1941, which American citizen, the· American taxpay­ out the provisions of an act to promote the fully authorizes every item in the title ers. I am aga:nst this bill and I am defense of the United States, approved March with the exception of section 302, and against this section because I have no 11, 1941, and for each and every purpose inci­ that paragraph is no longer subject to a idea that this administration is now dent to or necessary therefor, the following point of order because consent has been going to cut it out. When the adminis­ sums for the follqwing respective purposes, given to consider it and allow amend­ tration wants a thing you vote it through. namely: ments to be offered to it. Section 3 of Remember, this will rise up to plague you. (a) For the procurement, by manufa~ ture Public Law No. 11 of the Seventy-seventh The gentleman from Michigan a while or otherwise, of defense articles, inform&tion, and services for the government of any coun­ Congress provides in full for the authori­ ago tried to accuse the Republicans of try whose defense the President deems vital zations necessary to the consideration of making these huge appropriations. What to the defense of the United States, and the this title. bunk. You will find when the roll is disposition thereof, including all necessary The CHAIRMAN. The Chair has ex­ called on this bill, as you have on all expenses in connection therewith, as follows: amined the act of March 11, 1941, which other bills, that this administration is ( 1) Ordnance and ordnance stores, supplies, authorizes the appropriations contained responsible. You New Dealers furnish spare parts, and materials, including armor in this title, and the Chair overrules the the majority vote. and ammunition and components thereof, point of order. $830,507,246. . The death knell of American liberty, (3) Tanks, armored cars, automobiles, Mr. ·RICH. Mr. Chairman, I offer an American independence, and American trucks, and other automotive vehicles, spare amendment. freedom is being sounded. You are go­ parts, and accessories, $583,139,000. The Clerk read as follows: ing to wreck America on the rocks of (5) Miscellaneous military and naval equip­ Mr. RICH moves to strike out all of title financial distress. No truer words were ment, supplies, and materials, $17,850,000. lll, beginning in line 6, page 11, and ending ever spoken than those uttered by the (6) Facilities and ~quipment for the man­ on line 25, page 12. President of the United States, and I ufacture, production, or operation of defense quote: articles and for otherwise carrying out the Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair­ purposes of the act of March 11, 1941, includ­ man, I ask unanimous consent that all The credit of the family depends chiefly Ing the acquisition of land, and the mainte­ debate on this title and all amendments upon whether that fam!ly is living within its nance and operation of such facilities and thereto close in 25 minutes. income. And that is equally true of the Na_. equipment, $125,000,000. Mr. McCORMACK. Reserving the tion. If the Nation is living within its In­ (b) In all, $1,556,496,246, to remain avail­ right to object, Mr. Chairman-and I come, its credit is good. able until June ?0, 1943. If Government lives beyond its income for shall not object-! call attention to the a year or two, it can usually borrow tem­ (c) Each of the foregoing appropriations fact that if we intend to get through with shall be additional to, and consolidated with, porarily at reasonable rates. But if, like a the appropriations for the same purposes this bill today we must expedite action. spendthrift, it throws discretion to the winds contained in section 1 (a) of the Defense Aid I! we do not complete the consideration and is willing to make no sacrifice at all in Supplemental Appropriation Act, 1941, and of the bill today, it will only delay the spending, if it extends its taxing to the section 101 (a) of the Defense Aid Supple­ hope of the leaders that we shall be able limit of the people's power to pay and con­ mental Appropriation Act, 1942, and the pro­ tinues to pile up deficits, then it is on tha to get away substantially prior to Christ­ road to t::mkruptcy. viso in section 101 (f) of such latter act shall mas. If the consideration of this bill goes be applicable to such consolidated appropria­ over until Monday, it will only hold back No truer words were ever said, but no tions. on the other end. I make this observa­ SEC. 302. Any defense article procured pur­ one is doing more to put this country into suant to this title shall be retained by or tion in the hope that the consideration bankruptcy than the President of the transferred to and for the use of such depart­ of the bill will be completed today. United States and this Congress. What ment or agency of t~e United States as the Mr. MOTT. How far this side of are you going to do about"it? Where are President may determine, in lieu of being dis­ Christmas does "substantially" mean? :you going to get the money? You will posed of to a foreign government, whenever Mr. McCORMACK. I should like to find out when you go back to your tax­ in the judgment of the President the defense make it next Friday or Saturday; a week payers that they are going to raise hulla­ of the United States will be best served from today. baloo with you because you are putting thereby. The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection them in this position. You are nation SEc. 303. This title may be cited as the Second Deficiency Aid Supplemental Appro­ to the request of the gentleman from wreckers, not builders. I do not see how priation Act, 1942. Missouri? your constituents and mine are ever going There was no objection. to stand the burden you are pladng ·on Mr. CANNON of Missouri

For "Salaries, Court of Claims, 1942," $1,518. For "Salaries and expenses, Office of For­ For "Obtaining employment for Indians, For "Probation system, United States eign Agricultural Relations, 1942," $2,125. 1942," $500. courts, 1942," $7,075. For "Salaries and expenses, Bureau of Ani­ For "Agriculture and stock raising among · In all, the judiciary, $11,618. mal Industry, 1942," $117,935. Indians, 1942," $7,000. EXECUTIVE OFFICE AND INDEPENDENT For "Salaries and expenses, Bureau of Dairy For "Indian school support, 1942," $26,525. ESTABLISHMENTS Industry, 1942," $7,172. For "Indian boarding schools, 1942," For "Salaries and expenses, Bureau of Plant $15,355. For "Salaries and expenses, Office for Emer­ Industry, 1942," $35,426. For "Indian schools, Five Civilized Tribes. gency Management, 1942," $13,012. For "Salaries and expenses, Forest Service, 1942," $1,335. For "Salaries and expenses, Board of Tax 1942," $161,221. For "Education of natives of Alaska, 1941- Appeals, 1942," $4,400. For "Salaries and expenses, Bureau of 43," $3,980. For "Salaries and expenses, United States Agricultural Chemistry and Engineering, For "Conservation of health among In• Employees' Compensation Commission, 1942," 1942," $9,533. dians, 1942," $23,705. $9,553. For "Salaries and expenses, Bureau of En­ For "Administration of Indian property, For "Federal Power Commission, 1942," tomology and Plant Quarantine, 1942," 1942," $25,000. $20,000. $49,667. . For "Construction, etc., buildings and utili­ For "Salaries, General Accounting Office, For "White Pine blister-rust control, De­ ties, Indian Service," $1,455. 1942," $185,747. partment of Agriculture, 1942," $7,560. For "Geological Survey, . 1942," $23,980. For "Salaries and expenses, National For "Salaries and expenses, Agricultural For "Salaries and expenses, National Capital Archives, 1942," $11,382. Marketing Service, 1942," $47,388. Parks, 1942," $3,000. For "Salaries, National Labor Relations For "Salaries and expenses, Bureau of Home For "Salaries and expenses, Fish and Wild­ Board, 1942," $20,310. Economics, 1942," $3,485. life Service, 1942," $9,915. For "Salaries and expenses, National Media­ For "Enforcement of the Commodity Ex­ For "Contingent expenses, Territory of tion Board, 1942," $2,273. change Act, 1942," $6,765. Alaska, 1942," $165. For "Salaries and expenses, National Rail­ For "Beltsville Research Center, Depart­ For "Wagon roads, bridges, and trails, road Adjustment Board, National Mediation ment of Agriculture, 1942," $1,245. Alaska (receipt limitation)," $1,000. Board, 1942," $3,090. In all, Department of Agriculture, $526,291. Fqr "Salaries and expenses, government of For "General expenses, Smithsonian Insti­ DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE the Virgin Islands, 1942," $1,000. tution, 1942," $4,144. In all, Department of the Interior, $183,957. For "Salaries, Office of Secretary of Com­ For "Preservation of collections, Smithso­ DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE nian Institution, 1942," $9,398. merce, 1942," $905. For "Salaries and expenses, Veterans' Ad­ For "Salaries and expenses, Bureau of For­ For "Salaries, Administrative Division, De• ministration, 1942,'' $642,125. eign and Domestic Commerce, 1942," $3,230. partment of Justice, 1942," $7,000. For "Salaries, Office of Administrator, Fed­ For "Field Office Service, Bureau of Foreign For "Salaries, Tax Division, Department of eral Security Agency, 1942,'' $1,737. and Domestic Commerce, 1942," $2,395. Justice, 1942," $6,000. For "Salaries, Division of Personnel Super­ For "Customs statistics, Department of For "Salaries, Claims Division, Department vision and Management, Federal Security Commerce, 1942," $635. · of Justice, 1942," $3,500. Agency. 1942," $2,343. For "Salaries and expenses, Social Security For "Salaries, Bureau of Prisons, 1942," For "Salaries, Chief Clerk's Division, Fed­ Act,. Bureau of the Census, 1942," $360. $2,500. eral Security Agency, 1942,'' $450. For "Salaries and expenses, Bureau of Ma­ For "Protecting interests of the United For "Salaries, Office of General Counsel, rine Inspection and Navigation, 1942," States in customs matters, 1942," $1,300. · Federal Security Agency, 1942," $8,802. $42,825. For "Salaries and expenses, Bond and Spirits For "Salaries and expenses, Food and Drug For "Operation and administration, Na­ Division, Department of Justice, 1942," Administration, Federal Security Agency, tional Bureau of Standards, 1942," $2,225. $1,700. 1942,'' $26,315. For "Testing, Inspection, and Information For "Examination of judicial offices, 1942," For "Salaries, Office of Education, 1942," Service, National Bureau of Standards, 1942," $600. $4,848. $8,195. . For "Salaries and expenses, veterans' in­ For "Salaries and expenses, vocational edu­ For "Research and development, National surance litigation, Department of Justice; cation, Office of Education, 1942,'' $3,188. Bureau of Standards, 1942," $8,945. 1!)42," $5,000. For "Salaries and expenses, vocational re­ For "Standards for commerce, National B'l,l­ For "Salaries and expenses of District At· habilitation, Office of Education, 1942," $1,280. reau of Standards, 1942," $1,166. torneys, etc., Department of Justice, 1942," For "Cooperative vocational rehabilitation, For "Magnetic and seismological work, $24,000. residents of the District of Columbia, Office Coast and Geodetic survey, 1942," $295. For "Penitentiaries and Reformatories,. of Education, 1942,'' $600. For "Salaries, Coast and Geodetic Survey, Maintenance, 1942," $26,800. For "Salaries, Freedmen's Hospital, Federal 1942," $10,910. For "Medical center for Federal prisoners, Security Agency, 1942," $8,105. For "Salaries, Patent Offic~. 1942," ·$30,565. maintenance, 1942," $2,300. For "Salaries, Office of Surgeon General, For "Salaries and expenses, Weather Bu­ For "Federal jails and correctional instl• Public Health Service, 1942," $1,605. reau, Department of Commerce, 1942," tutions, maintenance, 1942,'' $13,900. For "Pay of other employees, Public Health .$45,280. . For "Prison camps, maintenance, 1942," Service, 1942,'' $3,493. For "Maintenance and operation, Washing­ $1,800. For "Pay of personnel and maintenance of. ton National Airport, Office of Administrator For "Medical and hospital service, penal hospitals, Public Health Service, 1942," of Civil Aeronautics, 1942,'' $3,645. institutions, 1942," $4,200. $47,400. In all, Department of Commerce, $161,576. In all, Department of Justice, $100,600. F.or "Disease and sanitation investigations, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR DEPARTMENT OF LABOR Public Health Service, 1942," $3,260. For "Salaries, Office of Secretary of the For "Salaries and expenses, Division of Pub· For "Saint Elizabeths Hospital, Federal Se­ Interior, 1942," $5,000. curity Agency, 1942," $12,605. lie Contracts, Department of Labor, 1942," For "Selecting, testing, and placement, de:. For "Salaries, Office of Solicitor, Depart­ $3,195. fense workers, Social Security Board (na­ ment of the Interior, 1942," $4,797. For "Salaries and expenses, Bureau of Labor tional defense), 1942,'' $12,445. For "Salaries, Division of Territories and Statistics, 1942," $3,590. In all, Executive Office and Independent Island Possessions, Department of the In­ For "oCcupational outlook survey, Bureau Establishments; $1,063,910. terior, 1942," $1,325. of Labor Statistics (national defense), 1942," For "Expenses, Commission of Fine Arts, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE $1,480. 1942,'' $45. For "Salaries and expenses, Children's Bu..; For "Salaries, Office of Secretary of Agricul­ For "United States High Commissioner to reau, 1942," $3,825. ture, 1942,'' $4,555. the Philippine Islands, Department of the · For "Salaries and expenses, child-labor pro­ For "Salaries and expenses, Office of Solici­ Interior, 1942," $1,425. tor, Department of Agriculture, 1942," visions, Fair Labor Standards Act, Children's FoP "Salaries, General Larid Office, 1942," Bureau, 1942," $2,723. $22,860. $14,000. For "Salaries and expenses, Office of Infor­ For "Salaries and expenses, maternal and· For "Salaries and expenses of Land Offices, child welfare, Social Security Act, Ch1ldren:s mation, Department of Agriculture, 1942," 1942," $1,000. $2,620. . Bureau, 1942," $6,332. For "Salaries and expenses, library, Depart- For "Prevention of fires on public domain For "Salaries and expenses, Women's Bu­ ment of Agriculture, 1942,'' $215. . in Alaska, 1942," $300. reau, 1942," $895. For "Salaries and expenses, Office of Ex­ For "Salaries, Bureau of Indian A1fairs, In all, Department of Labor, $22,040. 1942,'' $5,000. periment Stations, 1942," $2,684. POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT For "Special research fund, Department For "Expenses of organizing Indian cor• of Agriculture, 1942," $6,300. . porations, etc., 1942," $650. (Out of the postal revenues) For "Salaries and expenses, Extension For "Administration of Indian forests, For "Salaries, Office of Postmaster General, Service, 1942," $7,925. 1942," $4,710. 1942," $1,585. For "Salaries and expenses, Bureau of For "Expenses~ Sal~ ot timber (reimburs­ . For "Salaries, Office of First Assistant Post• Agricultural Economics, 1942," $29,610, able), 1942," $1,79!), master Gen_er~l, 1942," $6,565.

. • I 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9493

For "Salaries, Office of Second AssistaBt For "l;lepartment of Insm:ance, salaries, Dis- In all, District of Columbia, including high­ Postmaster Genera1, 1942," $6,100. 1 'trict of Columbia, 19.4:2," $D20. . way and water funds, $116,015. For "Salaries, Office of Third Assistant Post­ - For "SurveyoT, salarh>s, District of Colum­ In all, title V, $8,236,327. master General, 1942," $10,905. bia, 1942," $875. · The restrictions contained in appropria­ For "ealaries, Office o! .Fo11rth Assistant For "Commission on Mental Health, Dis.:. ::tions or affecting appropriations or other Postmaster General, 1942," $3,730. 1 trict of Columbia, 1942," $188. tunds available' during the :fiscal year 1942 For "Salaries, Ofilce of Purchasing Agent, For "Board of Indeterminate Sentence and limiting the amounts which may be expended 1942," $395. . .Parole, District of Columbia, 1942," $315. ior personal services or for other purposes For "Salaries, Bureau of Accounts, 1942," For "Administrative expenses, compensa­ are hereby waived to the extent necessary to $1,590. ' tion to injured employbes in the District of meet the increases in compensation under For "Post. otnce inspectors, salaries, 1942," Columbia, 1942," $1,005. said act of August 1, 1941, and said Executive $20,050. For "Register of Wills, salaries, District of Orders No. 8842 and No. 8882: Provided, That For "Railroad Transpc.rtation and Ma'il Mes­ Columbia, 1942," $1,513. .all appropriations and funds, includlng the sengar Service, 1942," $585. For "Recorder of Deeds, salaries, District of appropriations herein made, available during For "Railway Mail Service, salaries, 1942," Columbia, 1942," $1,466. the :fiscal year 1942 for the payment of sal­ $17,450. . For "Motor vehicles, District of .Columbia, aries of civilian officers and employees who For "Operating force for public buildings, 1942," $95. are subject to the provisions of said act of Post Otnce Department, 1S42," $211,730. For "Free Public Library, salaries, District August 1, 1941, and said Executive Orders No. In all, Post omce Department, $280,685. of Columbia, 1942," $6,560. 8842 and No. 8882, shall be available from and DEPARTMENT OF 'STATE For "Collection and disposal of refuse, sal­ including October 1, 1941, for the payment of aries, District of Columbia, 1942," $1,315. within-grade salary advancements as of Oc­ For "Salaries, Depal'tment of State, 1942," For "Public s~hools, salaries, District of tober .1, 1941, or any subsequent date on $30,320. Columbia, 1942,'' $23,760. which such officers and employees became, or For "Passport agencies, Department of For "Metropolitan Police, salaries, District State, 1942," $1,245. will become, eligible for such advancements of Columbia, 1942," $2,995. in accordance with said act and Executive For "International Boundary Commission, For "Fire Department, salaries, District of United States and Canada and Alaska and orders: Provided further, That the head of Columbia, 1942," $45. any department, establishment, or agency is Canada, 1942," $577. For "Health Department. • general admin­ For "Salaries and expenses, International hereby authorized to allocate from the sum istration, District of ColumBia, 1942," $1,302. herein appropriated under any appropriation Joint Commission, United States and Great For "Health Department, medical services, Britain, 1942," $400. title administered by him to any subappro­ District of Columbia, 1942," $5,650. In all, Department of State, $32,542. priation included under such t itle such For "Health Department, laboratories, Dis­ amount as he may determine to be necessary TREASURY DEPARTMENT trict of Columbia, 1942," $650. to meet expenditures for within-grade salary For "Salaries and expenses, Foreign Ex­ For "Health Department, inspections, Dis­ advancements in accordance with the provi­ change Control; 1942," $3,075. trict of Columbia, 1942," $2,465. sions of said act or Executive orders. For "Salaries, Division of Research and Sta­ For "Tuberculosis, Sanatoria, salaries, Dis­ tistics, Treasury Department, 1942," $2,045. trict of Columbia, 1942," $10,163. Mr. DIRKSEN. Mr. Chairman, I move For "Salaries, Division of Personnel, Treas­ For "Gallinger Municipal· Hospital, sala­ tc strike out the last word. The first ury Department, 1942," $1,070. ries, District of Columbia, 1942," $3,105. section of title VI carries a provision for For "Salaries, Office of Chief Clerk, Treasury For "Juvenile court, salaries, District of restoring Mr. David Lasser, one-time Department, 1942," $2,600. Columbia, 1942," $1,390. president of the Workers Alliance, to the For "Salaries, operatir.g force, Treasury De­ For "Municipal court, salaries, District of good grace of this great Government, so partment Buildings, 1942,"' $6,600. Columbia, 1942," $1,005. For "Salaries, Division of Printing, Treas­ For "Division of Child Welfare, detention that he might come back on the pay roll. ury Department, 1942," $1,755. of children, District of Columbia, 1942," $345. When I first read the provision I thought For "Salaries, Bureau of Accounts, Treasury For "Workhouse and reformatory, salaries, of that old song, Will You Love Me in Department, 1942," $4,850. District of Columbia, 1942," $10,403. December As You Did in May? Of For "Salaries and expenses, Bureau of the For "District Training School, salaries, Dis­ course, that is a little short of the dis­ Public Debt, 1942," $21,365. trict of Columbia, 1942," $2,920. tance-by 1 month-but I am wondering For "Salaries, Otnce of Treasurer of United For "Industrial Home School for Colored whether or not this Congress. after it re­ States, 1942," $16,835. Children, salaries, District of Columbia, 1942," moved David Lasser from the pay roll in For "Collecting the revenue from customs, $810. 1942," $250,855. For "Municipal Lodging House, District of June, proposes to -estore him in Decem­ For "Sa1.aries, Office of Comptroller of the Columbia, 1942," $135. ber~ He appeared before the committee Currency, 1942," $2,220. For "Temporary Home for Former Soldiers and made a case, after a fashion. Rep­ For "Collecting the internal revenue, 1942," and Sailors, District of Columbia, 1942," $135. resentative FLANNAGAN appeared in his $377,975. For "Transportation of indigent nonresi­ behalf and Representative VooRHIS, of For "Salaries and expenses, Processing Tax dent persons, District of Columbia, 1942," California, sent a memorandum to the Board of Review, 1942," $840. $165. committee in his behalf. Mr. Millard For "Salaries, Secret Service Division, 1942," For "Militia, District of Columbia, 1942," W. Rice, a representative of the Veterans $!05. $525. For "Salaries, Office of Director of the Mint, For "Public parks, salaries, District. of Qo­ of Foreig: Wars, appeared in his behalf. 1942," $1,480. lumbia, 1942," $7,355. It should be stated, however, that Mr. For "Salaries and expenses, Mints and As­ In all, District of Columbia, exclusive of Rice appeared as an individual and not as say Offices, 1942," $4,855. highway and water funds, $108,755. a rep:r:esentative of the V. F. W. or the In all, Treasury Department, $698,825. Highway fund, gasoline tax and motor­ D. A. V. He frankly informed the com­ DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA vehicle fees: For "Department of Vehicles mittee that he did not recall the number and Traffic, salaries, highway fund, District of of the chapter of the D. A. V. to which Mr. For "Executive Otnce, salaries, District of Columbia, 1942,'' $2,535; and for "Trees and Columbia, 1942," $955. parkings, salaries, highway fund, District of Lasser belonged; that he knew little For "Purchasing Division, salaries, District Columbia, 1942," $540; in all, $3,075, to be about Mr. Lasser; that he had no regular of Columbia, 1942," $1,140. paid wholly out of the special fund created contact with him; and that for the most For 'Department of Inspections, salaries, by the act entitled "An act to provide a tax part his information was obtained around District of Columbia, 1942," $5,435: on motor-vehicle fuels sold within the Dis­ a lunch table in the Senate restaurant. For "Poundmaster, salaries, District of Co­ trict of Columbia, and for other purposes," Mr. Lasser in his statement to the com­ lumbia, 1942," $225. approved April 23, 1924 (43 Stat. 1'06), and For "District Buildings, salaries, District of the act entitled "An act to provide additional mittee indicated that he had spent sev­ Columbia, 1942," $2,455. revenue for the District of Columbia, and for eral months contacting Members of Con­ For "Assessor, salaries, District of Columbia, other purposes," approved August 17, 1937. gress after his separation from the 1942," $5,595. Water servlce: For "Washington Aqueduct, Federal service, in which he was holding For "Collector, salaries, District of Colum- District of Columbia, 1942," $4,185, to be paid a position in the W. P. A. at a salary of bia, 1942," $700. · wholly out of the revenues of the Water De­ $4,400 per year. It is, however, singular For "Auditor, salaries, District of Columuia; partment of the District of Columbia. 1942," $1,930. to me that, since I was an author of the The foregoing sums for the District of Co­ amendment whereby Mr. Lasser was sep­ For "Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, lumbia, unless otherwise specifically provided, Dlstrict of Columbla, ~942," $40. shall be paid out of the revenues of the Dis­ arated from the Federal roll, that he at For "Chief Cl~rk, Engineer Department, trict of Columbia and the Treasury of the no time contacted me or called my office. salaries, District of Columbia, 1942," $555. United States in the manner prescribed by Now, let us turn to the basic case For "Municipal Architect, salaries, District the District of Columbia Appropriation Act, against Mr. Lasser. I admitted in June of Columbia, 1942," $950. 1942. that it was rare procedure to remove an LXXXVII--599 9494 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5 individual from the Federal rolls by an cure an answer to the question as· to the merits of the matter tested in this amendment to an appropriation bill. It whether or not Mr. Lasser was a Com­ body this afternoon. is so obvious, however, that it becomes munist.· He objected to this question. The Clerk read as follows: quite impossible to remove undesirable He said, in fact: ' TITLE VI-GENERAL PROVISIONS people from the Federal service by any I am here before this committee in a purely SEC. 601. The second proviso of section 1 other method. official capacity as president of the Workers (a) of the Emergency Relief Appropriation It is here proposed to restore Mr. Lasser Alliance of America. I would like to state Act, fiscal year 1942, which reads: "Provided to the rolls by a legislative provision in that I believe the question is not a pertinent further, That no part of any appropriation an appropriation bill. It is clearly sub­ one. I have nothing to hide of my political contained in this act shall be used to pay ject to a point of order. I, however, do beliefs, but I believe my personal political the compensation of DaVid Lasser," Is hereby beliefs are not germane to the question here _repealed. not propose to make that point of order. at issue any more than my religious beliefs. I prefer to let this matter be disposed on Mr. TABER. Mr. Chairman, I make a its merits and I am only too glad to see In answer to the gentleman from Vir­ 'point of order against the paragraph that it resubmitted to the Whole Committee . .ginia [Mr.. WooDRUM], Mr. Lasser. said: it is legislation on an appropriation bill. with such action as the Committee cares I am not prepared, nor do I believe this Is The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman to take. - the time and the place nor the committee, from New York makes the point of order to determine the relative merits of commu­ . Let me remind you that 'Mr. Lasser nism or say whether it is or is not pertinent tha~ the paragraph is legislation on an appeared before theW. P. A. investigat­ .to the administration of. the Government. appropriation bill. The Chair sustains ing committee of the Ap-propriations the point of order. ·committee in April 1939. His testimony After this sidestepping, -Mr. Lasser The Clerk concluded the reaiiing of the·. and that of the secretary-treasurer, Mr. finally stated that he was not a Commu­ bill. Herbert Benjamin, covers 150 pages of nist. But how can one reconcile that Mr. CARTWRIGHT. Mr. Chairman, the hearings. denial with his refusal to return a forth­ I ask unanimous consent to extend my On page 42 Mr. Lasser freely admits , right answer , with his observation . that remarks in .the RECORD and· have them that be attended the twentieth anniver­ from the maoorial which he examined appear at the point where we discussed ·sary celebration of the Soviet revolu­ ·communism was not subversive, with his the ·item relative to highway appropria­ tion in Russia. Why was he there? On signed contribution to the omcial -organ of tions. April 13, 1937, he issued a release as the Communist Party, and with such The .CHAIRMAN. Without objection, ,President of the Workers Alliance char­ other evidence as appears in the investi.:. it is so orcfered. acterizing those Members of the Con­ ·gation hearings? · There was no objection. gress who brought about a $50,000,000 Are we now to go soft and restore Mr. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Chair-~ cut in W. P. A. appropriations as resort-:­ Lasser in December after removing· him man, I move that the Committee do now Jng to "misrepresentation, outright lies, in June? The time has arrived to become rise and report the bill back to the House tricks, bluffs, and tricks." earnest and determined and t.o remain with sundry amendments; with the' rec­ He was associated with Mr: Benjamin, earnest and determined in dealing ·with ·ommendation that the amendments be the secretary-treaurer, from 1936 to 1939, communism if we are to do a job. agr~ed ~o a~d the bill as amended do and this is the same Mr. Benjamin who, Finally, let me make this observation pass; ·on page 135 of the hearings, testified: while it is fresh in my mind. Only yes.; The motion was agreed to. terday and today a subcommittee of one Accordingly the Committee rose; and I would say in connection with all this ·of the committees of this House of which · the Speaker having resumed the chair. that my membership in the Communist Party , I am a member has been taking testi­ is, of course, no state secret. Mr. Ru!sPECK, Chairman of the Com­ mony from one of the large agencies of mittee·of the Whole House on tlie state · Is it not strange that while Mr. Lasser Government, and from the Administrator of the Union, reported that that com­ has disavowed any connection with the of that agency who has $100,000,000 per mittee, having had under consideration Communist Party, that in- April 1937 he year to spend. When the chairman of the bill (H. R. 6159) making supple­ €ontributed a signed article to the DailY the subcommittee asked the Administra­ mental appropriations for the national - 'Worker over his own signature and tor point blank whether he would re­ defense for the fiscal years· ending June begged for contributions to the cause of move a Communist from the pay roll, his 30, 1942, and June 30, 1943, and for other his alliance. I exhibit here to you cop­ answer was, "I would have to take that purposes, directed him to report the same ies of the Daily Worker of April 1937 under consideration. After all, Mr. back to the House with sundry amend­ which came from the files of the investi­ Chairman. Russians are dying on the ments, with the recommendation thatthe gating committee. If Mr. Lasser was so battlefields today." The chairman of amendments be agreed to and the bill' as intent on ridding the Workers Alliance that subcommittee expressed his amaze­ amended do pass. of Communists, why was he using the ment at the reply, I, too, was amazed, Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak­ .omcial organ of the Communist Party and I am frankly concerned when the er, I move the previous question on . the in an appeal for funds? administrator of a Government agency bill and all amendments to final pas­ Now consider Mr. Lasser's answer to frankly states to five Members of Con­ sage. gress that he would have to take under The previous question was ordered. the question from Mr. O'NEAL as re­ consideration the removal of a Com­ 'corded on page 178. Mr. O'NEAL asked, munist from the Federal pay roll. We The SPEAKER- Is a separate vote de­ "Do you consider the Communist PartY have moved far on the pathway of self­ PJ.anded on any amendment? If not, the a subversive organization?" Mr. Las­ destruction when the matter of separat­ Chair will put them en gross. ser's answer was, "My· impression from ing Communists from the Federal rolls 'The amendments were agreed to. reading the material that Mr. Benjamin The SPEAKER. The question is on must be taken under advisement. the engrossment and third reading of the has furnished is that it is not." That same Administrator was not If Mr. Lasser entertains this idea :t>i~. . familiar with the prohibition on Com­ The bill was ordered to be engrossed about the Communist philosophy, the munists and bundists in the· appropria­ Congress has, indeed, been wasting pre­ and. read a tJ::llrd time, and was read the tion under which he operates until he third time. cious funds and much time to seek out was refreshed when the chairman of the the Communists in the country and sep­ The SPEAKER. The question is on subcommittee read to him the pertinent the passage of the bill. · · arate them from the rolls of the Federal provision in the Departmental Appro­ Government. If Mr. Lasser entertained priation Act for the fiscal year 1942. ~r. LAMBERTSON. Mr. Speaker, I such a view, then certainly there .is Is it not time that we become rather have a motion to recommit. double reason why he should be pre­ steadfast and deal earnest-ly with this The 'sPEAKER. Is the gentleman op­ vented froru reentering the service of the moving problem before it engulfs the posed to the bill? Government. Government? Mr. LAMBERTSON. I am, Mr. On pages 65 and 66 of the hearings the Let me repeat what I stated before, I Speaker. gentleman from New York [Mr. ·TABER] shall make no point of order against the The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report and the gentleman from Virginia [Mr. provision which would resto-re Mr. .Lasser the metion of. the gentleman from . WooDRUM] made repeated efforts to se- to the Federal rolls. I am willing to see Kansas. 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9495 The Clerk read as follows. Kean Myers, Pa. Sheppard Mr. Richards with Mr. Osmers. Keefe Nelson Sheridan Mr. Bulwinkle with Mr. Kilburn. Mr. LAMBERTSON moves to recommit the Kelley, Pa. Norrell Sikes Mr. Cox with Mr. Leland M. Ford. bill to the -Committee on Appropriations with Kelly, Ill. O'Brien, Mich. Simpson Mr. Burch with Mr. Thill. instructions to strike out all of title III. Kennedy, O'Brien, N. Y. Smith, Pa. Martin J. O'Toole Smith; Wash. Mr. Kefauver with Mr. Plumley. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak­ Kennedy, Pace South Mr. Smith of Virginia with Mr. Martin er, I move the previous question on the Michael J. Patman Sparkman of Massachusetts. Keogh Patrick Spence Mr. Magnuson with Mr. Johnson of Cali- motion. Kerr Peterson, Fla. Springer fornia. The previous question was ordered. Kilday Peterson, Ga.. · Starnes, Ala. Mr. Flannery with Mr. Stevenson. The SPEAKER. The question is on Kinzer Pheiffer, Stearns, N.H. Kirwan William T. Stefan Mr. Whelchel with Mr. Hope. the motion of the gentleman from Kocialkowski Pierce Sullivan Mr. Kleberg with Mr. Johnson of Indiana. Kansas [Mr. LAMBERTSON]. Kramer Pittenger Taber Mr. Gregory with Mr. Allen of Illinois. The question was taken; and on a di­ Lanham Plauche Talle Mr. O'Neal with Mr. Maas. vision (demanded by Mr. DwoRSHAK) Larrabee ·Poage Tarver . Mr. Murdock with Mr. Chenoweth. Leavy Powers Tenerowicz Mr. Joseph L. Pfeifer with Mr. Andrews. there were-ayes 31 and noes 97. LeCompte Priest Terry Mr. Kee with Mr. Gale. Mr. DWORSHAK. Mr. Speaker, I ob­ Lesinski Rabaut Thorn Lynch Ramsay Thomas, N.J. Mr. Satterfield with Mr. Hartley. ject to the vote on the ground that a McCormack Ramspeck Thomas, Tex. Mr. Clark with Mr. Baldwin. quorum is not present. McGehee Randolph Traynor Mr. Dies with Mr. Rizley. The SPEAKER. Evidently no quorum · McGregor Rankin, Miss. Van Zandt Mr. Pearson with Mr. Cole of New York. is present. The Doorkeeper will close the McKeough Reece, Tenn. Vinson, Ga. Mr. Somers of New York with Mr. Tibbett. McLaughlin Rees, Kans. Wadsworth Mr. Ludlow with Mr. Rolph. doors, the Sergeant at Arms will notify McLean Rivers Walter Mr. Ford of Mississippi with Mr. Bishop. absent Members, and the Clerk will call McMillan Robertson, Va. Ward Maciora Rockefeller Wasielewski Mr. Steagall with Mr. Cluett. the roll. Mahon Rodgers, Pa. Weaver Mrs. Norton with Mr. Hill of Colorado. - The question was taken; and there Manasco Rogers, Mass. Weiss Mr. Lewis with Mr. Vreeland. were-yeas 56, nays 252, not voting 122, Marcantonio Russell West Mr. Sumners of Texas with Mr. Hinshaw. as follows: Martin, Iowa. . Sabath Whitten Mr. Thomason with Mr. Welch. May Sanders Whittington Mr. Mills o{ Louisiana with Mr. Buckler [Roll No. 128] Merritt Sauthoff Wickersham Meyer,Md. Scanlon Wigglesworth of Minnesota. . YEAB-56 Michener Schuetz Wolfenden, Pa.. Mr. Casey of Massachusetts with Mr. Cos- Andersen, Heidinger Reed,N. Y. Mi1ls, Ark. Schulte Wolverton, N.J. tello. H. Carl Hill, Wash. Ri:ch Monroney Scott Worley Mr. Heffernan with Mr. Haines. Andresen, Howell Robertson. Mott Secrest Wright Mr. Boehne with Mr. O'Leary. . August H. Hull N.Dak. Mundt Shafer, Mich. Zimmerman Mr. Romjue with Mr. CapozzoU. Robsion, Ky. Arends Johns Mr. Smith of West Vi~ginia with Mr. Young. Bradley, Mich. Johnson, Til. Shanley NOT VOTING-122 Burdick Jones Smith, Ohio Allen, Dl. · Gregory Richards Mr. Bradley of Pennsylvania with Mr. Butler Jonkman Smith, Wis. Anderson, Haines Rizley Patton. Chiperfield Knutson Stratton N. Mex. Hatteck Robinson, Utah Mr. Klein with Mr. Bell. Clevenger Lambertson Sumner, Ill. Andrews Hartley Rogers, Okla. Mr. Green with Mr. O'Day. Coft'ee, Nebr. Landis Tinkham Baldwin Heffernan Rolph Mr. Vincent of Kentucky with Mr. Macie­ Crawford · Mason Vorys, Ohio. Bell Hill, Colo. Romjue jewski. Bennett Hinshaw Sacks Crowther Moser Wheat Mr. Tolan with Mr. Geller. Curtis Murray Wilson Bishop Holbrock Sasscer Day O'Connor Winter Boehne Hope Satterfield Mr. Sasscer with Mr. Anderson of New De'\\'ey O'Hara Wolcott Boland Johnson, Calif. Schaefer, Dl. Mexico. Dworshak Oliver Woodruft', Mich. Bonner Johnson, Ind. Scrugham Mr. Williams with Mr. Nichols. Engel Paddock Youngdahl Boren Kee Shannon Mr. Chapman with Mr_ Scrugham. Grant, Ind. Ploeser Bradley, Pa. Kefauver Short Mr. Wene with Mr. Cannon of Florida. Hall, Rankin, Mont. Buck Kilburn Smith, Maine Mr. Byrne with Mr. RobinSon of Utah. Edwin Arthur Reed, Ill. Buckler, Minn. Kleberg Smith, Va. Buckley, N.Y. Klein Smith, W.Va. Mr. Buck with Mr. Schaefer of Illinois. NAYB-252 Bulwinkle Kopplemann Snyder Mr. Snyder with .Mr. Lea. Allen, La. Crosser Gilchrist Burch Kunkel Somers, N. Y. Mr. Boren with Mr. Sutphin. Anderson, Calif. Culkin Gillette Byrne Lea Steagall Mr. McArdle with Mr. Buckley of New Angell Cullen Gillie Byron Lewis Stevenson York. Arnold Cunningham Gossett cannon, Fla. Ludlow Sumners, Tex. Mr. Sweeney with Mr. Kopplemann. Barden D'Alesandro Graham Capozzoli McArdle Sutphin Barnes Davis, Ohio Granger Casey, Mass. McGranery Sweeney The result of the vote was announced Barry Davis, Tenn. Grant, Ala. Celler Mcintyre Thill Bates, Ky. Delaney Guyer Chapman Maas Thoma ~ on as above recorded. Bates, Mass. Dickstein Gwynne Chenoweth Maciejewski Tibbott By unanimous consent further pro­ Baumhart Dingell Hall, Clark Magnuson Tolan ceedings under the call were dispensed Beam Dirksen Leonard W. Cluett Mansfield Treadway Beckworth Disney Hancock Cole, N.Y. Martin, Mass. Vincent, Ky. with. Beiter Ditter Hare Costello Mills, La. Voorhis, Calif. The doors were opened. Bender Domengeaux Harness Cox Mitchell Vreeland The SPEAKER. The question is on Blackney Dondero Harrington Dies Murdock Welch Bland Daughton Harris, Ark. Douglas Nichols Wene the passage of the bill. Bloom Downs Harris, Va. Drewry Norton Whelchel Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Boggs Duncan Hart Eliot, Mass. O'Day White Speaker, on that I ask for the yeas and ,Bolton Durham Harter Fenton O'Leary Williams Boykin Eaton Healey Flannagan O'Neal Woodrum, Va. nays. Brooks Eberharter Hebert Flannery Osmers Young The yeas and nays were ordered. Brown, Ga. Edmiston Hendricks Ford, Leland.M. Patton The question was taken; and there Brown, Ohio Elliott, Calif. Hes& Ford, Miss. Pearson Bryson Ellis · Hobbs Gale Pfeifer, were-yeas 310, nays 5, not voting 115, as Burgin Elston Hoft'man Gore Joseph L. follows: · Camp Englebright Holmes Green Plumley [Roll No. 129] Canfield Faddis Hook Cannon, Mo. Fellows Houston So · the motion to recommit was re­ YEAB-310 Carlson Fish Hunter jected. Allen, La.. Belter Camp carter Fitzgerald Imhoff Andersen, Bender Canfield Cartwright Fitzpatrick Izac The Clerk announced the. following H. Carl Blackney cannon, Mo. Case, S.Dak. Flaherty Jackson pairs: Anderson, Calif. BlanC. Carlson Clason Fogarty Jacobsen Mr. Bennett for, with Mr. Woodrum of Andresen, Bloom Carter Claypool Folger Jarman Virginia against. August H. Boggs cartwright Cochran Forand Jarrett Angell Bolton Case, S. Dak. Coffee, Wash. Ford, Thomas F.Jenkins, Ohio Mr. Short for, with Mrs. Smith of Maine Arends Boykin Chiperfield Cole, Md. Fulmer Jenks, N.H. against. Arnold Bradley, Mich. crason Collins Gamble · Jennings Barden Brooks Claypool Colmer Gathings Jensen G~neral pairs: Barnes Brown, Ga. Clevenger Cooley Gavagan Johnson, Mr. Bonner with Mr. Halleck. Barry Brown, Ohio Cochran Cooper Gearhart Luther A. Mr. Boland with Mr. Treadway. Bates, Ky. Bryson Coft'ee, Nebr. Copeland Gehrmann Johnson, Bates, Mass. Bulwlnkle Coft'ee, Wash. Courtney Gerlach Lyndon B. Mr. Gore with Mr. Fenton. Baumha.rt Burdlck Cole, Md. Cravens Gibson Johnson, Okla. Mr. Mansfield with Mr. Douglas. Beam Burgin Collins Creal Gifford Johnson, W.Va. Mr. Drewry with Mr.·Kunkel. Beckworth Butler Colmer 9496 ·coNGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 5 Cooley Hook Pheiffer, Cole, N.Y. Lea Scrugham A :motion to reconsider was laid on the Cooper Hope Wllliam T. Costello Lewis Shannon Copeland Houston Pierce Dies McArdle Short table. Courtney Howell Pittenger Douglas McGranery Smith, Maine CLERK OF THE HOUSE AUTHOIUZED TO Cox Hull Plauche Drewry Mcintyre Smith, Va. Cravens Hunter Ploeser Eliot, Mass. Maas Smith; W.Va. . CORRECT SECTION NUMBERS Creal Imhoff Poage Fenton Maciejewski Snyder Crosser Izac Powers Flannery Magnuson Somers, N.Y. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak­ Crowther Jackson Priest Ford, Leland M. Mansfield Steagall er, I ask unanimous consent that the Culkin Jacobsen Rabaut Gale Martin, Mass. Stevenson Clerk of the House may be authorized Cullen Jenkins, Ohio Ramsay Gifford MHls, La. Sumners, Tex. Cunningham Jenks, N.H. Ramspeck Gore Mitchell Sutphin to correct the section numbers in the bill Curtis Jennings Randolph Green Murdock Sweeney just passed. D'Alesandro Jensen Rankin, Miss. Haines Nichols Thill The SPEAKER. Is there objection to Davis, Ohio Johns Rankin, Mont. Halleck Norton Thomason the request of the gentleman from Mis­ Davis, Tenn. Johnson, Til. Reece, Tenn. Heffernan O'Day Tibbott Day Johnson, Reed, TIL Hill, Colo, O'Leary Tolan souri [Mr. CANNON]? Delaney Luther A. ;Reed, N.Y. Hinshaw Osmers Treadway There was no objection. Dewey Johnson, Rees, Kans. Hoffman Patton Vincent, Ky. Dickstein Lyndon B. Rivers Holbrock Pearson Voorhis, Calif. GENERAL PERMISSION TO EXTEND Dingell Johnson, Okla. Robertson, Jarman Plumley Vree!and REMARKS Dirksen Johnson, W . Va. N.Dak. Jarrett Richards Weiss Disney Jones Robertson, Va. Johnson, Calif. Rizley Welch Mr. CANNON of Missouri, Mr. Speak­ Ditter Jonkman Robsion, Ky. Johnson, Ind. Robinson, Utah Wene er, I ask unanimous consent that au Domengeaux Kean Rockefeller Kee Rogers, Okla.. Whelchel Members who have spoken on the bill just Dondero Keefe Rodgers, Pa. Kilburn Ro~ph White Daughton Kefauver Rogers, Mass. Kleberg Romjue Williams passed may be permitted to extend their Downs Kelley, Pa. Russell Klein Sacks Woodruff, Mich. remarks in 5 legislative days. Duncan Kelly, TIL Sabath Kopplemann Sasscer Young Durham Kennedy Sanders Kunkel Satterfield The SPEAKER. Is there objection to Dworshak Martin J. Sauthoff the request of the gentleman from Mis­ Eaton Kennedy, Scanlon So the bill was passed. souri [Mr. CANNON]? Eberharter Michael J. Schaefer, Til. The Clerk announced the following There was no objection. Edmiston Keogh Schuetz pairs: Elliott, Calif. Kerr Schulte PERMISSION TO ADDRESS THE HOUSE Ellis Kilday Scott Until further notice: Elston Kinzer Secrest Mr. Jarman with Mr. Short. Mr. TABER. Mr. Speaker, I ask unan­ Engel Kirwan Shafer, Mich. imous consent to proceed for 1 minute. Eng~ebright Knutson Sheppard Mr. Boehne with Mrs. Smith of Maine. Faddis Kocialkowskl Sheridan Mr. Costello with Mr. Bennett. The SPEAKER; Is there o.bjection to Fellows Kramer Sikes Mr. McArdle with Mr. Woodruff of Michi- the request of the gentleman from New Fish Landis Simpson gan. York [Mr. TABER]? Fitzgerald Lanham Smith, Ohio Mr. Green with Mr. Gifford. There was no objection. Fitzpatrick Larrabee Smith, Pa. Mr. Bonner with Mr. Halleck~ Flaherty Leavy Smith, Wash. Mr. Boland with Mr. Treadway. Mr. TABER. Mr. Speaker, I have been Flannag>\n LeCompte Smith, Wis. requested by the gentleman from Massa­ Fogarty Lesinski South Mr. Gore with Mr. Fenton. Folger Ludlow Sparkman Mr. Mansfield with Mr. Douglas. chusetts [Mr. TREADWAY], the g_entleman Forand Lynch Spence Mr. Drewry with Mr. Kunkel. from New York [Mr. ANDREWS], and the Ford, Miss. McCormack Springer Mr. Richards with Mr. Osmers. gentleman from New York [Mr. KIL­ Ford, Thomas F. McGehee Starnes, Ala. Mr. Patton with Mr. Kilburn. BURN] to say that they are unavoidably Fulmer McGregor Stearns, N. H. Mr. Romjue with Mr. Leland M. Ford. absent from the House. If they had been Gamble McKeough Stefan Mr. Burch with Mr. Thill. Gathings McLaughlin Stratton present, they would have voted against Mr. Sm~th of ·west Virginia with Mr. Gavagan McLean Sullivan the motion recommit and in favor of Gearhart McM1llan Taber Plumley. to Gehrmann Maciora Talle Mr. Smith of Virginia with Mr. Martin of the passage of the bill. Gerlach Mahon Tarver Massachusetts. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak­ Gibson Manasco Tenerowicz Mr. Magnuson with. Mr. Johnson of Cali- er, I much regret that I have to make a G1llette Marcantonio Terry fornia. point of ·order. Gilchrist Martin, Iowa Thorn Mr. Flannery -with Mr. Stevenson. Gillie Mason Thomas, N.J. Mr. TABER. Mr . . Speaker, I asked·. Gossett May Thomas, Tex. Mr. Kleberg with Mr. Johnson of Indiana. unanimous cbnsent to proceed for 1 Graham Merritt Tinkham Mr. Nichols with Mr. Allen of Illinois. Granger Meyer, Md. Traynor Mr. 'Whelchel with Mr. Maas. minute. Grant, Ala. ·Michener - VanZandt Mr. Murdock with Mr. Chenoweth. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak­ Grant, Ind. Mills, Ark. Vinson, Ga. Mr Casey of Massachusetts with Mr. An- er, I must call the attention of my friend· Gregory Monroney Vorys, Ohio drews. from New York to the rule that it is not Guyer Moser Wadsworth Mr. Kee with Mr. Gale. Gwynne Mott Walter in order to announce how absent Mem-. Hall Mundt Ward Mr. Clark with Mr. Baldwin. bers would have voted if present. Edwin Arthur Murray Wasielewski Mr. Dies with ~r. Rizley. . Hall Myers, Pa. Weaver Mr. Pearson with Mr. Cole of New York. Mr. MICHENER. Mr. Speaker, I want Leonard W. Nelson West Mr. Somers of New York with Mr. Tibbett. to be heard on that. It is not in order Hancock Norrell Wheat Mr. Robinson of Utah with Mr. Rolph. under the rules excepting where a Mem­ Hare O'Brien, Mich. Whitten Mr. Lea with Mr. Bishop. ber gets 1 minute to address the House. Harness · O'Brien, N. Y. Whittington Mr. Steagall with Mr. Cluett. Harrington O'Connor Wickersham Under those conditions he may say any­ Harris, Ark. O'Hara Wigglesw0rth Mrs. Norton with Mr. Hill of Colorado. thing he wants to. Harris, Va. Oliver Wilson · Mr. Lewis with Mr. Vreeland. Hart O'Neal Winter Mr. Sumners of Texas with Mr. Hinshaw. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Not even Harter O'Toole Wolcott Mr. Thomason with Mr. Welch. by that subterfuge. It has been held by Hartley Pace Wolfenden, Pa. Mr. Mills of Louisiana with Mr. Buckler of Speakers of the House repeatedly that Healey Paddock Wolverton, N.J. Minnesota. the procedure of the House does not· Hebert Patman Woodrum, Va. Mr. Chapman with Mr. Hoffman. Heidinger Patrick Worley permit it. It is a_very bad practice, and Hendricks Peterson, Fla. Wright Mr. Byrne with Mr. Jarrett. we do not want it to get started. I much Hess Peterson, Ga. Youngdahl Mr. Vincent of Kentucky with Mrs. O'Day. Hill, Wash. Pfeifer, Zimmerman Mr. Williams with Mr. Capozzoli. . regret to have to raise the question of Hobbs Joseph L. Mr. Cannon of Florida with Mr. Young. order. Holmes Mr. Wene with Mr. Haines. Mr. MICHENER. I agree with the NAYS-5 Mr. Boren with Mr. Bell. gentleman as to the correctness of his Crawford Rich Sumner, Til. Mr. Anderson of New Mexico with Mr. theory; but, as I understand it, the gen­ Lambertson Shanley Sasscer. Mr. Snyder with Mr. Maciejewski. tleman from New York lMr. TABER] NOT VOTING-115 Mr. Weiss with Mr. Buckley of New York. asked unanimous con.sent to proceed for Allen, Til. Boland Byron Mr. Bradley of Pennsylvania with Mr. Hef- 1 minute. He was given the unanimous Anderson, Bonner Cannon, Fla. N.Mex. Boren Capozzoli fernan. consent of the House to proceed for Andrews Bradley, Pa. Casey, Mass. Mr. Kopplemann with Mr. Tolan, 1 minute; therefore he is permitted to Baldwin Buck Celler Mr. Sutphin with Mr. O'Leary. say anything so long as he uses parlia­ Bell Buckler, Minn. Chapman Mr. Klein with Mr. Sweeney. Bennett Buckley, N.Y. Chenoweth mentary language. Bishop Burch Clark The result of the vote was announced. · Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Boehne Byrne Cluett as above recorded. . Speaker, I am in warmest sympathy with 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9497 the statement of the attitude of the Mem­ APPOINTMENT TO UNITED STATES MILI­ Mr. MICHENER. We do not know bers to whom the gentleman from New TARY ACADEMY OF ANANTA KF.UTTA­ anything about the bill, and it is r~ow York refers. I wish there were some par­ SANGKA, A CITIZEN OF THAILAND 6 o'clock and there is no one here. To liamentary way for this inforl,llation to Mr. HARTER. Mr. Speaker, I ask call up by unanimous consent under such be made available to the House at this unanimous consent for the immediate circumstances a matter about which the time. But it is a rule of long. standing­ consideration of House Joint Resolution House has no information and which the and a very salutary one-and we cannot . 251, authorizing the Secretary of War to House had no notion was going to be relax it for one and enforce it for others. receive for instruction at the United called up is just ·not good practice, unless As a matter of fact, a point of order is States Military Academy, at West Point, it is an emergency matter which requires not required. It is the duty" of the Ananta Khittasangka, a citizen of Thai­ such treatment. Speaker, and the practice of the Speak­ land. Mr. HARTER. I may say to the gen­ er to enforce it just as he would The SPEAKER. Is there objection to tleman from Michigan that this matter enforce the rule against an explanation the request of the gentleman from Ohio was considered by the House Committee of a vote during roll call or any other [Mr. HARTER]? on Military Affairs and practically all the automatic rule of procedure. These gen­ Mr. MICHENER. Mr·. Speaker, re­ members were present, including the Re­ tlemen have their remedy. They can serving the right to object, this is the publican members. The matter was themselves rise at any session of the same matter that was up before the thoroughly discussed and gone over, and House and by securing the floor an­ House this morning? the resolution was. unanimously voted nounce how they would have voted or Mr. HARTER. So I understand. · out by the full committee. on what grounds they would have voted Mr. MICHENER. And it was with­ Mr. MICHENER. Personally, I shall or any other matter pertaining to their drawn at the suggestion of the Speaker. not object, but I do hope that matters of vote or their failure to vote, without at­ Will the gentleman tell the House what this type will not be brought up at this tempting to vote by proxy. Knowing all has transpired since the time it was with­ hour under like conditions. three of these gentlemen as I do, I am drawn this morning by the chairman of Mr. HARTER. I can only confirm certain they would prefer to observe the the committee at the suggestion of the what the majority leader has said, that rules of the House rather than to violate Speaker and the present hour? when I was requested to bring it up in the rules of the House even for this ques- Mr. HARTER. I am unable to answer the House at this time I was told that the tionable advantage. , that question. I only know that this leadership on the gentleman's side of the The SPEAKER. The Chair is ready to resolution and the passage of it is greatly House had been consulted and that it rule. Even though the gentleman from desired by the Secretary of State. This was agreeable all around. New York [Mr. TABER] had unanimous young man is the son of the present Mr. LAMBERTSON. Reserving the consent to proceed for 1 minute, when he ·Prime Minister of Thailand and will be right to object, Mr. Speaker, and I shall began making the explanation he did, the in the Military Academy without expense not object, may I ask if this is going to Chair must sustain the point of order to our Government. The State Depart­ be a precedent for the entry into the under all precedents. ment wishes this passed. Military Academy of Chinese and RESIGNATION FROM COMMITTEE Mr. MICHENER. It is a good-neigh­ Russians? . bor gesture? Mr. HARTER. I am unable to answer The Speaker laid before the House the Mr. HARTER. That is true. that, but I do not expect that this sets following communication which was -_ Mr. McCORMACK. I think I might any great precedent. read: ·contribute something in reply to the gen­ The SPEAKER. Is there objection to . DECEMBER 5, 1941. . the request of the gentleman from Ohio? Hon. SAM RAYBURN, tleman from Michigan [Mr. MICHENER]. Speaker, United States House of The gentleman from Kentucky [Mr. There was no objection. Representatives, Washington, D. C. MAY] talked to me an hour or so ago and The Clerk read the joint resolution

materiel to supply the guns. Neither ~n the first place, they have failed to ent figure of a little over 6 mills in the can operate without the other. tell the public that that connection would Brazos territory, or about 40 f)ercent of Mr. WICKERSHAM. I border Texas be between 20 and 30 miles in length, what they were charging 7 months be­ on two sides and I believe the farmers because no private utility has any high­ fore. It seems to me that such a tre­ of Oklahoma are likewise interested in voltage line to the dam site. They then mendous voluntary cut proves conclu­ the R. E. A. for the farmers. fail to tell that if they built this connec­ sively that the companies were previously Mr. POAGE. I am sure the farmers tion, which would require just as much overcharging the farmers. of Oklahoma are interested. They have copper as if the public agency constructed Mr. WICKERSHAM. Will the gentle­ had a struggle with the same utility­ it, that it would connect with a line that man yield? control group, that we have in Texas, is already loaded almost if not completely Mr. POAGE. I yield to the gentleman _and were paying some of the highest loaded to capacity. Electric transmis­ · from Oklahoma. rates in all this Nation, until the R. E. A. sion lines are like water pipes-they can Mr. WICKERSHAM. Since the R. E. A. came alorig and gave competition. only carry a given amount of "juice"; was organized for the benefit of the Mr. LYNDON B. JOHNSON. Will the and while the affiliates of the Electric farmer, does not the gentleman feel gentleman yield? Bond & Share do own lines that could that the benefits of the R. E. A. should Mr. POAGE. I yield to the gentleman transmit the power from a point about be confined to the farmers? from Texas. 30 miles from Morris Sheppard Darn to Mr. POAGE. I do not know anybody Mr. LYNDON B. JOHNSON. I read a most points in Texas, these lines cannot else that is getting direct benefits of the very interesting report made by the Ru­ transmit that power and the power they R. E. A. I think the R. E. A. is primarily ral Electrification Administration a few are now carrying. Nor have the private for the benefit of the farmer. But I think days ago concerning the progress that utilities told the public that before any­ the providing of .rural electricity in Mc­ has been made in electrifying rural areas one can transmit power from this dam Lennan County is a benefit to the people in Texas. As a result of the leadership that it was necessary to build a trans­ of the city of Waco, my home town. I do of the gentleman now occupying the forming station.· This station is now not get rural electricity, but it helps me floor and others of his colleagues of the nearly complete, but there never has that my farmer neighbors do get it. It Texas delegation, during the last 7 years been a time as yet when anybody could makes my horne city a better town in I am informed we have increased the use transmit power from this dam, and yet which to live. It adds to the income of of electricity in rural homes from 11,000 the utilities and their officers have re­ the people of Waco, Tex., because the homes 7 years ago to approximately 100,- peatedly tried to lead the public to farmers of the surrounding country are 000 homes today. believe that only the obstinacy of the able to make a better 1ncome for them­ Mr. POAGE. One hundred and eleven public agencies has kept them from con­ selves. So I would not want to say that thousand new ones. necting with an available source of the benefits should be confined simply to Mr. LYNDON B. JOHNSON. They are wasted power. As a matter of fact, the the farmers. I think the benefits perme­ receiving electr~city today and were not utilities are in no position to use this ate through all strata of society and I am receiving it when this administration power at this moment themselves. They glad they do. went into power. simply do not want the people of central Mr. RUSSELL. Will the gentleman Mr. POAGE. That is right. and north Texas to use it. yield?. Mr. Speaker, can it be consistently This dog-in-the-manger attitude on Mr. POAGE. I yield to the gentleman urged that the power to be produced at the part of the private utilities is not hard from Texas. Temple, Tex., is not needed. If the exist­ to understand. They are in business to Mr. RUSSELL. Is it not a fact that ing private .power companies need to ex­ get all they can from the users of elec­ since the R. E. A. set-up, from which the pand, and they say they do; if they are tricity. They now profess a great interest farmer is getting the benefit, the man faced with a shortage of power, and they in the rural business, but prior to the who lives in the city gets a benefit to the say they are; why should the R. E. A. be establishment of the R. E. A. it was prac­ extent that the city rates have been row­ criticized for building a plan.t that will tically impossible for any farmer to get ered by reason of the rural use? not only make available the rated ca­ any private power company to sell him Mr. POAGE. No; unfortunately I do pacity of the new plant but also "firm electricity at any price, and if he suc­ not think that is true. up" and make usable at all times ap­ ceeded in getting it at all he had to pay Mr. RUSSELL. It is true ·in my town. proximately a like amount of river power most exorbitant prices for the current Mr. POAGE. That has not happened that is at present unusable? Can the as well as pay utterly fantastic sums for in the Brazos territory. The attorneys private utilities with a like expenditure the line to his residence. Only the very for the utility companies stated in my of funds and materials produce a like few could aftord rural electricity. The presence at the meeting with the Brazos amount of power anywhere in Texas? It companies said the rural business was River Board at Temple last spring that is obvious that they cannot. Therefore, unprofitable, but just as soon as the all of these rate reductions were simply can their complaint that the R. E. A. is R. E. A. began to loan money to farmers the result of economies in generation wasting defense materiaf be made in good to build their own power lines the private and transmission which they had been faith? companies began to want the business. able to effect and to pass on to the And what of the transmission lines At first the private utilities in Texas re­ consumer. They further stated that it . that the Brazos Co-op is building? The fused to sell power to the R. E. A. co-ops, was the policy of the Electric Bond & private utilities suggest that the farm­ but ·when the R. E. A. began to ofter to Share companies to pass all economies ers of central Texas who are constructing finance local generating plants, and on to the consumer. I raised the ques­ these lines are not cooperating with the when the city of Bartlett offered to sell tion then as to how it happened that needs of national defense. They say that the local co-ops power from the Bartlett the companies were able· to effect econ­ they could furnish the lines to transmit municipal plant, the Texas Power & Light omies corning to 60 percent of the total this current. Of course they could. I Co. and its affiliates ctecided to sell the cost insofar as the power that was going have no doubt that they either have or power and established a rate of 15 mills, to these particular rural co-ops was . could easily get all the copper they would wholesale. Tl:lls rate, which was about concerned, whereas no economies were need, but they would have to build the as cheap as the small generating plants eftected in connection with that portion new lines themselves, and I have been could ofter, was retained until a little of the power generated at the same plants unable to understand how it helps na­ over a year ago. Just after we began to and transmitted over the same lines for tional defense for the private utilities to work on c-·eating the Brazos River Elec­ sale in. the cities of central Texas. I use material that they say should not be tric Transmission Cooperative, and the wondered then, and I still wonder, if the used by the public agencies. There has Farmers' Electric Generating Co opera-. fact that the R. E. A. enablEd these co­ been much misleading information in re- tive in east Texas, the power companies operatives to offer cornpetit1on in rural ~ gard to the use of this power from Morris cut their rates. Each time we took a areas while no competition was offered Sheppard Dam. The utilities have t.ried new step they cut their rates further in cities like Waco and Temple did . to give the impression that they could until effective the day after the charter not account for the reduction. Cer­ simply make a connection and all the was granted to the Brazos Cooperative, tainly, if the T. P. & L. did effect econ­ power of this great dam would become the private companies cut their whole­ omies amounting to 60 percent of their instantly available. .sale rates to the local co-ops to the pres- wholesale prices from September 1940 9502 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD~HOUSE . DECEMBER 5 to March 1941 they were most unfair to purpose of reducing freight rates to facilities just as long as the private utili­ Waco and all other cities in the central Dallas. Incidentally, the organization ties ·are receiving the same kind of ma­ Texas area. We received no rate reduc­ that is in charge of this proposal is head­ _terials, and we insist that the Govern- tion in Waco, and yet today of all the ed by the President of the Texas Power ment can well afford to lend the- Brazos 199 cities of more than 50,000 popula­ & Light Co. Of course, if freight rates 1 :Eiectric Transmission, Cooperative $1,- tion in the United States only 18 have are reduced between New York and Dallas. . 000,000 if it can give the Trinity project higher electric rates than Waco, Tex. and are not reduced between New York a subsidy of $200,000,000. All we ask is !'he truth of the matter is that com­ and Waco and Temple, the merchants equal rights for all and special privileges petition is not only the most effective in our central Texas cities are going to for none. · but the only effective curb on electric find it increasingly hard to compete with · SENATE ENROLLED~ BILLS SIGNED rates in Texas today. The competition Dallas. Of course, there is no shortage . . The SPEAKER · announced his ..signa:.. afforded by the Brazos River Electric of actual transportation' facilities· be- 1 ture. to enrolled bills of the Senate-·of the Transmission. Co~op has already :resulted . tween Dallas and the Gulf of MexicO' at ; in a saving of $75,000 per year . to the this time: following titles: rural cq-ops of Texas,· an·d unless the There are today at.least..a half .a dozen 1 s. 1060. An act to ·extend · tb..e_ s~mon.th. . railroad lines .between Dallas ,and __ the death- gratuity. benefits, now- paid only to building program. now . under- way Js 'dependents of ·officers · and -en·Iisted.-- merr of stopped · it· will .certainly result in addi­ Gulf, all adequately .equip.ped _to trans,. · the. Regular Army, to _de,Pendents of ~B om- tional . savings . to J other . cooperatives port any freight that needs:to. move. , oers," \val'rant· qffi.cers: .. and . enUsteci· .men. of throughout the .area .. There: .are ·at.least, an equal number of the .. Army ~ of the ·united .States who _dieJn : I do not mean that the public-ag.errcy. welb·equipped .truck Jines~ The~ ..only 1 i.ine of :duty . .while in a,ctive militacy• servicl" can sell electricity lower than the present fJ.Uesti:on involved is. that of .. cost, yet pf the- United States; and . · . , competitive· rates · of the utility compa:. these: Dallas. paper:s. insist.. that it· would . . ~· ~826. J\n act tci p~rmit :seelng7eye dogs to nies. Under the R. E. A. plan the ~ co-ops be a worthy project' for .the Federal Gov- enter Govez:nment :·buildings_ when... accom- must charge enough to pay ·an operating emment .to contribute hundr.eds ~ .of mil- ~~t~~~e~~ _th_eir b~irid .maljiters, Jmd: fa~ - ~t~er costs· and in ·addition to repay the. capital lions·.of dollars as a gift•to get this.ptoj- : iui.i PRESEN\rED TO THE PRESIDENT : investment in their .plants. They can ect started with continue:d· F.ede'ral 'Con- ·~ ...... , , and are meeting these payments on ·about tributions.· for- upkeep, .all .to reduce ! · Mr. KIRWAN; from the Committee on one-half the .r.ate5 previously charged~ by freight rateS: to· ·Dallas ... At ."the :same 1 Enrolled ·Bills, reported that.. tha.t. com­ the private utilities, and when the time they feel that it· would be. wicked 1 mit tee did on· this day present to the plants ar.e .paid for. they will belong to and .unpatriotic.; to Iet-..the Go:\lemment 1 President, for his approval, a bill of ·the. the farmers themselves. So the :co-op · loan less than ! ·percent of that amount : House of-the following title: charges ·are in fact collected in large part-· to build a .generating; plant in ,central H. R. .4270 .. An act for · the relief of Mar- for the benefit of the farmers themse·lvesi ·Texas, which W'OUld use.only a tiny 1rac- 1 garet M. ·C1,1tts. It must also never be forgotten that the tion of the mat.erial that' would be ·used ADJOURNMENT . present utility rates in rural areas· iri by the .Trinity pr.oject and which is. in::- . . 'ii'exas .would-nevar. have-been established tended not simply to-batter dov.m "rates, ' Mr. LYNDON B. JDHNSON ~ ,· Ml'. had it not been for the threat of -public but in addition .to provide absolutely in.- . Speaker, I .move .that .. the. House ..do now competition. . Certainly these low . rates dispensable; energy, which must be pro- a,'djotirn. - . • . . , ... ~ will not be extended to other co-ops or duced by someone if the .farmers of the 1 •• The. motion was ag'r,ee~ ~t.o; accordingly even 'retained -where they are new in great central ~ Texas region. are to ma.ke 1 -(at 6 o'clock and.37 minutes. p.m.) , l,lnder force- if .the building progr.am of the . their maximum contribution 1 to the its, previous order, the .House adjourned R. E. A. is. halted. : So we can see -rather national-defense program. until .Monday, December 8, ,1941·, at 12 clearly the true motive that activates o'clock noon. In short, the private utilities were 1 the private companies who fihd it so never interested in the rm::al market unttl --'--"----;.,...... - --- ~ - ~ -. "wicked" .for: the R. ~ E. A. to loan money Texas farmers to .build lines and gen­ R. E .. A. was established; The power . ~ _· C9MMITI'EE. HEARINGS. tO companies, in Texas still charge. some ! - erating plants. The utilities are simply pf' tbe highest rates·in . the. Natiop, ex.cept i • COMMITTEE. ON. INTERSTATE ~ND FOREIGN" using national defense as a smoke screen, where they have been-faced with· compe- , · Co!\rMERCE ' but they are at .least directly and openly titian·.· Where· the:. R. 'E:·A; has. made • , There· will be a meeting of the Sub­ interested. loansttmt"enabl:ed publiC'-agencies to.o1Ier . -committee. ·oil Aviation. of the. COmmittee . The bitter criticism of the· Dalla:s news­ competition.they have r.educed.r.ates- very I "on Interstate and Foreign Commerce at paper is not even.excusable on the ground . drastically. .The -activity. of- the . R. ~ E. A. 10 a.·m. Monday, December 8,1941. . of self-inte·rest .. They IJn)fess to be· non- , is solely responsible: for· these rate re- 1 • Business to be conside-red: Hearings on partisan, although the city editor of one ductio'ns. _ There· is ·not: ennugh_ power H. R. 5695, a bill to amend the Civilian of the most bitter newspaper critics of 1 generating equipment in Texas t'O meet ·Pilot· Training Act of 1939 so as to pro­ the R. E. A. happens .to have just ~ left the·· anticipated - needs- for . 1942-.· · 'The 1 ·vide fm.' the tr-aining of civilian... aviation some 15 years employment with the 1 private utilities have undertaken·to build , mechanics. trexas Power & Light Co., where he served 1 arid are building new plants and new lines_i .: There will be a meeting -of the Com­ as publicity man. Possibly he is .finding in Texas. No one has objected to· their -mittee orr Interstate and Foreign· Com· it difficult· to abandon . his · training. : 'expansion. Their expansion is centered i ·merce ·at' 10 a.· m._Tuesday, Deeember 9, Practically. all of -the-Dallas papers have ardund_the city of.Dall-as. ·Central-Texas l 1941: · been -most intemperate .and -unfair in 1 was left to shift for itself, but. as soon· as , Business to be considered: Reslll"3.e their uncalled-for attack on the· eff0rts it was able 'to secure a substantial· loan I ·hearings on the Securities Exchange Act of our central Texas farmers to) secure · from R: E. A., the ·private utilities, with 1 ·of 1934. reasonably-fair elec·tric rates"and a. rea- 1 headquarters ·in Dallas, and- the Dallas ! .. CoMMI'ITEE· oN IMMIGRATioN AND . 1 sonably. adequate supply of electricity ior newspapers;.all began to howl about· the 1 · • · • • · · NATURALIZATION bur part of the State; The Qallas papers 1 ·sinful waste of public funds: A-t the same i There will be a meeting of this com· have repeatedly stated that it ·is w-rong ' time these· same Ballas -institutions· are ! mittee at 10:30 ·a. m . .Tuesday, - Decem­ to loan public ·money to the farmers to trying ' to get an outright· Federal -grant I 'ber 9, 1941~ on unfinished business.. and build power plants to produce power that to aid in reducing freight rates to·Dallas 1 -private bills. · is admittedly needed, or to build trans­ of more than 100 times the amount of the , , mission lines that must be built by some­ loan sought by central·Texas. I take my 1 one, if existing power 1s to ·be made avail­ ·stand with the farmers and with the " EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATIONs; ETC. · able. At the same time every one of the ·smaller communities of central Te:x:as. 1 • Under clause 2 of rule XXIV, executive big Dallas papers are urgi-ng every Mem.­ We do not want and will not take 1 pound , communications ·were taken from the ber of Congress to ·support ~ a ·proposition , of copper or $1-of· money that must come 1 , Speaker's table aad refer-red as follows: to authorize a project -that will involve from supplies or funds needed for na- 1116. A letter from the secretary of war, hundreds·of millions of·dollars'of·Federa:l •tional ·defense, but We do··insist that we · rtransmit'ting a letter from the Chief of Eng1- money as an outright gift. for improve;.. be allotted material to· build publicly l :neercs, · United .. States Army, dated September inent ·of the Trinity· River,· for the ·sole ·owned generating and transmission . 5, 1941, submitting a report, together with 1941 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE 95.03 accompanying papers, on reexamination of verse weather conditions, insect pests, or PRIVATE BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS Sacramento an.d San Joaquin River system, other uncontrollable natural causes; with­ with a view to construction of a fresh-water out amendment (Rept. No. 1483). Referred Under clause 1 of rule XXII private canal between Sacramento River and Suisun to the Committee of the Whole House on the bills and resolutions were introduced and Bay, requested by resolution of the Commit­ state of the Union. severally referred as follows: tee on Flood Control, House of Representa­ Mr. RANDOLPH: Committee on the Dis­ By Mr CARTER: tives, adopted April 13, 1938; to the Com­ trict of Columbia. H. R. 5881. A bill to pro­ H. R 6183. A bill for the relief of James mittee on Flood Control. vide full and fair disclosure of the character Theodore Helm; to the Committee on Immi­ 1117. A letter from the Acting Secretary of of charitable, benevolent, patriotic, or other gration and Naturalization. the Navy, transmitting a draft of a proposed solicitations in the District of Columbia; to By Mr. HARRIS of Arkansas: bill to authorize the Secretary of the Navy to provide for regulation and control within the H. R 6184. A bill for the relief of Mr. _and grant to the board of trustees, school district District of Columbia of such solicitations; to Mrs. E P. Ball; to the Committee on Claims. No. 20, Charleston County, S. C., a parcel of authorize the Commissioners of the District By Mr. MARCANTONIO: land situated in the city of Charleston. S. C.; of Columbia to administer and enforce the H. R. 6185. A bill for the relief of Father to the Committee on Naval Affairs. provisions of this act; to authorize appro­ Michael O'Reilly; to the Committee on Immi­ 1118. A letter from the Secretary of War, priations therefor; and for other purposes; gration and Naturalization. transmitting a draft of a proposed blll to with amendment (Rept. No. 1484), Referred By Mr. WELCH: amend section 125 of the National Defense to the Committee of the Whole House on the H. R. 6186. A bill for the relief of Frederick Act of June 3, 1916 (39 Stat. 216), as amended, state of the Union. Rush; to the Committee on Military Affairs. so as to authorize citizens of foreign countries - Mr. AUGUST H. ANDRESEN: Committee By Mr. GIFFORD: who are graduates of air corps advanced on Agriculture: H. R. 4465. A bill to au­ H. R. 6187. A bill for the relief of Henry flying schools and air corps service schools thorize the exchange of certain lands in Tachudy and family; to the Committee on to wear aviation badges; to the Committee on Minnesota; with amendment _(Rept. No. Immigration and Naturalization. · Military Affairs. 1485). Referred to the Committee of the By Mr. HULL: 1119. A letter from the Secretary of War, Whole House on the state of the Union. H. R. 6188. A bill for the relief of Robert E. transmitting a draft of a proposed bill to Mr. RANDOLPH: Committee on the Dis­ Dennis; to the Committee on Claims. amend the Canal Zone Code in relation to the trict of Columbia. H. R. 6004. A bill to re­ control of marihuana; to the Committee on qui._re parking facilities for the persons em­ the Merchant Marine and Fisheries. ployed in Federal office buildings in the Dis-_ PETITIONS, ETC. 1120. A letter from the Assistant Secretary trict of Columbia; with amendment (Rept. of Agriculture, transmitting a draft of a pro­ No. 1486). Referred to the Committee of the Under clause 1 of rule XXII, petitions posed bill for the relief of B. H. Wilford; to Whole House on the state of the Union. and papers were laid on the Clerk's desk the Committee on Claims. Mr. RANDOLPH: Committee on the Dis­ and referred as follows: trict of Columbia. House Joint Resolution 248. Joint resolution to direct the Public 2123. By Mr. CULKIN: Resolution of the REPORTS OF COMMITTEES ON PUBLIC Utilities Commission to make an investiga­ Nationa~ Grange favoring application o:t BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS tion and survey to determine the feasibility economic devices as best means for holding of the construction of subways in the District down inflationary tendencies and opposing Under clause 2 of rule XIII, reports of of Columbia for both streetcars and vehicular arbitrary price fixing unless necessary. If committees were delivered to the Clerk traffic; with amendment (Rept. No. 1487). price fixing becomes necessary demands that for printing and reference to the proper Referred to the C'ommittee of the Whole House an groups be included, action be taken to calendar, as follows: on the state of the Union. prevent profiteering, standards be provided Mr. RANDOLPH: Committee on the Dis­ to assure equity, and that Congress retain Mr. -PACE: Committee on Agriculture. control; to the Committee on Banking and H. R. 5739. A bill amending the Department trict of Columbia. ·H. R. 6003 . A bill to amend an act entitled "An act providing for Currency. of Agriculture Appropriation Act, 1942, so as 2124. Also, resolution of the Jefferson to provide for agricultural conservation pro­ the zoning of the District of Columbia and the regulation of the location, height, bulk,' County Board of Supervisors, approving gram payments to farmers whose crops have House bill 5912, for relief of agricultural pro­ been acquired under the national-defense and uses of buildings and other structures and of the uses of land in the District of ducers whose crops were reduced by reason program; without amendment (Rept. No. of drought or other uncontrollable natural 1477). Referred to the Committee of the Columbia, and for other purposes," approved June 20, 1938; without amendment (Rept. No. causes; to the Committee on Agriculture. Whole House on the state of the Union. 2125. By Mr. LAMBERTSON: Petition of Mr. BEITER: Committee on Labor. H. R. 1488). Referred to the Committee of the Whole House on the 'state of the Union. the Carpenters Local Union, 1445, of the 5638. A bill to amend the Employment Sta­ United Brotherhood of C. and J. J. of America, bil1zation Act of 1931; without amendment Topeka, Kans., requesting the immediate en­ (Rept. No. 1478). Referred to the Committee actment of a just and adequate old-age of the Whole House on the State of the Union. REPORT OF COMMITTEES ON PRIVATE pension law; to the Committee on Ways and Mr. STEAGALL: Committee on Banking BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS Means. · and Currency. H. R. 6182. A bill to amend 2126. By the SPEAKER: Petition of the the Reconstruction Finance Corporation Act Under clause 2 of rule XIII, report of committees was delivered to the Clerk General Welfare Federation, Pasadena, Calif., as amended, and for other purposes; with­ petitioning consideration of their resolution out amendment (Rept. No. 1479). Referred for printing and reference to the proper with reference to House bill 1410; to the to the Committee of the Whole House on the calendar, as follows: Committee on Ways and Means. state of the Union. Mr. McGEHEE: Committee on Claims. Mr. RANDOLPH: Committee on the Dis· H. R . 1535. A bill for the relief of the estate trict of Columbia. H. R. 5893. A bill to of John J. Murray; wlth amendment (Rept. amend section 5 of the act entitled "An act · No. 1476). Referred to the Committee of the to establish a Board of Public Welfare in and Whole House. SENATE for the District of Columbia, to determine its functions, and for other purposes," approved MONDAY, DECEMBER 8, 1941 March 16, 1926; without amendment (Rept. PUBLIC BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS No. 1480). Referred to the Committee of the The Very Reverend Z~Barney T. Phil­ Whole House on the state of the Union. Under clause 3 of rule XXII, public bills lips, D. D., Chaplain of the Senate, offered Mr. RANDOLPH: Committee on the Dis­ and resolutions were introduced and sev­ the following prayer: trict of Columbia. H. R. 6163. A bill to pro­ erally referred as follows: hibit parking of vehicles upon public or pri­ 0 Thou blessed Christ, Companion of vate property in the District of Columbia .8y Mr. EDMISTON: our days, Mediator of the Infinite God without tne consent of the owner of such H. R. 6181. A bill to extend eligibility for and the Creator of a new world of being · property; without amendmen·· (Rept. No. · appointments to the West Point and Annapo­ which men may know if they follow Thee 1481) . Referred to the Committee of the lis Academies to the sons of service-connected Whole House on the state of the Union. World W