September 23, 2003 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S11779 These are the questions we ought to So I think when people use words, corner. Hopefully, we have gotten a be working on—not whether some col- they should be able to take responsi- strike since we have been accurate in league made a statement you disagree bility for those words, and I don’t what we are saying. But it was not put with and that we organize ourselves in think it casts aspersions on anyone’s to anybody’s head and it was not a structured response to that, rather patriotism. thrown hard. These were principled than take the time we ought to in But if anyone questions my right to statements about the accuracy of the order to get a situation that the Amer- stand up for my President who is statement of the Senator from Massa- ican public wanted to know more speaking before the United Nations as chusetts. We did not comment on his about, which is a deep problem that is we are talking on the floor today, then motives. We did not comment on his getting worse. The longer we fail to ad- I think they are wrong. Of course, we patriotism. We commented on the ac- dress it and try to divert attention to are going to stand up for him. Why curacy of his statement, which is a le- other matters, it does a great dis- would that be a surprise? We are in a gitimate discussion here in the Senate. service to our men and women in uni- terrible war on terrorism. We are doing I hope we keep to that. form and to the American taxpayers. everything we can to support the Presi- We have had a debate on the floor of Mr. President, I hope any further de- dent as he prosecutes that war. It is the Senate. Senator DASCHLE again bate about what one colleague says not for helping other countries exclu- questions the planning and actually would be confined to how we can get sively. It is for helping America. It is questioned whether there was a plan. the Iraq situation on the right track for American security that we are in He used terms which were used back in and how we are going to spend the bulk Iraq and Afghanistan—to keep terror- 1948. A Senator Revercomb said, ‘‘I or a good part of the $87 billion on the ists on their soil so they do not come charge tonight that there are no re- reconstruction phase of Iraq. to American soil again. straints placed upon those who admin- I yield the floor. The President has not forgotten 9/11. ister this act’’—similar to what Sen- The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- Sometimes I think when I hear people ator DASCHLE and Senator BYRD said. ator from Texas is recognized. talking that they have forgotten Amer- In fact, the statement has been made f ica was attacked. describing it as a ‘‘blank check.’’ Sen- People are talking about an $87 bil- STANDING UP FOR THE ator BYRD from West Virginia has used lion package. It is a big package. Many PRESIDENT that term repeatedly on the Senate of us are trying to ask for contribu- floor—only this comment is not about, Mrs. HUTCHISON. Mr. President, I tions from other countries to help de- obviously, the Bush plan in Iraq; it was yield myself up to 4 minutes. I think a fray the cost of rebuilding Iraq and Af- about the Marshall plan of the Truman lot has been said here about the words ghanistan. But let me remind you administration. of Senator KENNEDY. I don’t think any- about the cost of 9/11. The cost of 9/11 is It is remarkable as I have gone one on the floor has cast aspersions on estimated at $300 billion, and that was through the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD of the Senator. He certainly has a right one incident. What will be the cost if the House and the Senate about the de- to say anything he wants to say. But I we allow terrorists to come in here be- bate and the way it happened 3 years also think many of us who believe the cause we haven’t contained them in after V–E Day. Not 3 months was the President is trying very hard to do the Iraq and Afghanistan? What will be the plan put into place, not 3 weeks was right thing for our country have the cost to the American people? this plan put into place—it took 3 right to take up for our President, We have a right to stand up for our years for the Truman administration stand up for our President, and talk President, and that is exactly what we to put a recovery plan into place in Eu- about the issues. are doing. We are trying to talk about rope and for Congress to act on it. I think Senator KENNEDY would be the policies that are important to our Back then Members of Congress the first to say he should stand by his country. talked about how this was a blank words, he must take responsibility for I yield up to 4 minutes to the Senator check which was going to be a failure his words. It is my opinion that when from Pennsylvania, after which I will and it was unwise policy. Of course, it you use words such as ‘‘fraud’’ and yield the remainder of our time to the is now seen as one of the greatest for- ‘‘bribery’’ in talking about the policies Senator from New Hampshire. eign policy accomplishments of this of the United States, it is fair game for The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. country’s history. Why? Because we us to respond to that and say I think it ENZI). The Senator from Pennsylvania. had a President at the time—and who is absolutely wrong to say we are Mr. SANTORUM. Thank you, Mr. at the time was not popular among the bribing political leaders all over the President. I thank the Senator from American people for what he was world by giving them American dol- Texas. doing—who was seen as someone who lars. The Senator from Texas noted the was not providing a great plan or We are giving foreign countries irony of our standing on the floor of strong leadership but he stuck to his American dollars for a variety of rea- the Senate at the very moment the guns. He went to the American people sons. Is it a bribe that we would make President is speaking to the United Na- at election time, and the American a loan to the country of Turkey after tions. He is speaking before the United people sustained him in office because Turkey has just led the command and Nations to rally the world for our ef- he provided leadership at a time when control of the security forces in Af- forts in Iraq. As we stand on the floor leadership was needed; when Members ghanistan, doing a great service for all of the Senate, some Members are call- of Congress were looking at their own of the people of the world to try to help ing into question the President’s ac- parochial interests instead of the inter- keep the peace and security in Afghani- tions and calling into question the ests of the country and of the world stan, which was very costly to a rel- President’s motives. It is one thing to such as, again, is the case here today. atively small country? That we would call into question his action. It is one The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- be making loans to Turkey, is that a thing to call into question his plan. ator from New Hampshire. bribe? I don’t think so. Is it a bribe to But to call into question his motives is Mr. SUNUNU. Thank you, Mr. Presi- give money to Russia for part of its one of the things that I think disturbs dent. economic improvement? I don’t think many people on this side of the aisle, I certainly join my colleagues in un- so. I think Russia has shown it can be and, frankly, many members of the derscoring the fact that, of course, this quite independent. So has Turkey. No American public. shouldn’t be a discussion about mo- one is accusing them of doing every- The Senator from Nevada said that tives or patriotism. This is not a dis- thing the United States has asked some Members here have been using cussion about a former Senator, Mr. them to do. But foreign aid is part of the baseball analogy of throwing a high Cleland, or any other individual. All of American policy and, in most in- hard one at Senator KENNEDY’s head to us have the right to disagree on issues stances, foreign aid goes for buying back him off the plate. Having re- of substance. American products. It gives them the viewed what was said here this morn- Senator DODD was absolutely right. money to buy American products to ing, I think the best thing we can The issues of substance that we should help our economy. throw is a change-up on the outside be discussing are how to succeed in

VerDate jul 14 2003 01:33 Sep 24, 2003 Jkt 019060 PO 00000 Frm 00009 Fmt 0624 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\G23SE6.022 S23PT1 S11780 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE September 23, 2003 Iraq and how to do the right thing for AMENDMENT NO. 1734 oners. We are giving a fraction to the homeland security. But at the same The PRESIDING OFFICER. Under Native-American population that we time, all of us are responsible for the the previous order, there will be 10 give to Medicare beneficiaries. words we use and the terms we use and minutes equally divided prior to the This amendment simply acknowl- what it conveys not just to the Amer- vote in relation to the amendment No. edges our need to rectify that extraor- ican people but to our allies abroad. 1734. dinary disparity, to deal with it in a In this regard, I was most concerned The Senator from South Dakota. way that only we can, to say it is not about the use of the word ‘‘bribery’’ in Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, I will enough just to talk about it, not reference to foreign assistance. I think take 5 minutes to talk briefly about enough just to lament it, we have to do that was a mistake. I think that was this amendment. something about it. Granted, $292 mil- not just a poor choice of words but a I have had an opportunity to come to lion is a far cry from what is required, counterproductive choice of words, be- the floor on a couple of occasions. Basi- but at least it is what the Senate said cause to suggest that the funds we pro- cally this comes down to whether or we would do last spring. It is now time vide for reconstruction is bribery sug- not we mean it when we say we will to put our money where our mouth was gests that all of the foreign assistance provide meaningful health care to our last spring. This amendment is in- we engage in around the world is Native American population. That is tended to do that. misspent, or, again in the worst case what we are talking about today. Un- I yield the floor. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- here, bribery. fortunately, as most people know, we ator from Montana. I believe our foreign assistance are far from that promise. It would Mr. BURNS. Mr. President, this take about $5 billion for us to fulfill should be scrutinized, should be de- amendment provides an additional $292 the promise and to live up to the expec- bated, and that we should strike the million for the Indian Health Service. right balance, but in all cases the for- tations on the reservations that we see There is no offset. eign assistance that we provide around with health care delivery in the rest of I don’t doubt the numbers the Sen- the world should be used to further our the country—$5 billion for the IHS ator from South Dakota presented. national security interests. That is an clinical services account. They are factual. I do not doubt his important issue of substance. The This year’s budget is $1.9 billion—less passion for this subject. But let’s take funds we are providing to Iraq should than half of what it would take to meet a look at what is really happening. strengthen security in the United that obligation. As a result, today Since we have focused on that, over States and should strengthen the sta- there is severe rationing of health care the last 5 years we have added $725 mil- bility and security of the people in Iraq on every reservation—rationing so se- lion funding to the IHS account. In ad- and in the region of the Middle East. vere that they call it the ‘‘life or limb’’ dition, thanks to the work of my col- In all cases, we should scrutinize that test. Unless your life or limb is in jeop- league from New Mexico, Senator foreign assistance budget. But to refer ardy, you often do not get care on a DOMENICI, and the Balanced Budget Act to it as ‘‘bribery’’ I think is a mistake. reservation today. of 1997, we have provided $30 million It sent the wrong message to our allies This chart shows as clearly as any- per year for diabetes efforts. We know and to those who are benefiting from thing can just what the commitment that is one of the primary focuses in our economic support, foreign military made to the Native American people is Indian health for the following 5 years. financing program, and even our hu- today when it comes to health care. That amount was increased to a total manitarian aid around the world. It is We spend about $5,915 per capita on of $100 million beginning in fiscal year for our national security interests and Medicare. We spend about $5,200 per 2001. Reauthorization of this program the purposes for which we do that, and capita within the VA. We spend about has ensured that $150 million for the our debate should reflect that point. $5,000 per capita in our population gen- next 5 years will be available beginning f erally for health care. We spend about in fiscal year 2004. In short, over the $3,800 per capita for every Federal pris- last 5 years, well over $1 billion in new DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR oner—$3,800 a year goes to our Federal money has been provided in order to AND RELATED AGENCIES APPRO- prisons on a per capita basis for health improve the health care within our Na- PRIATIONS ACT, 2004 care alone. We spend $1,900 for Indian tive-American community. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Under children and their families, in spite of Within the extremely limited re- the previous order, the Senate will re- commitments we have made for four sources this subcommittee has been sume consideration of H.R. 2691, which generations. given over the past several years, we the clerk will report. What this amendment does is very have been responsive to the needs of The legislative clerk read as follows: simple. Last spring, when we had this Native Americans and we will continue A bill (H.R. 2691) making appropriations debate and when we offered the amend- to make every effort to provide the ad- for the Department of the Interior and re- ment to the budget resolution to make ditional dollars within the overall allo- lated agencies for the fiscal year ending Sep- whole the Indian health care budget, it cation we were given. tember 30, 2004, and for other purposes. was defeated. We proposed that we try We know well, and my colleagues on the other side of the aisle know well, Pending: to level the playing field. That was de- what happened last year. Under their Reid amendment No. 1731, to prohibit the feated. leadership, the IHS account was re- use of funds for initiating any new competi- What the Senate agreed to, reluc- duced by $75 million in the final hours tive sourcing studies. tantly on my part, but agreed to none- Reid amendment No. 1732, to authorize the before markup in order to reduce the theless, was $292 million, one-tenth of Secretary of the Interior to acquire certain subcommittee’s allocation. Clinical lands located in Nye County, Nevada. the amount required to make the IHS services alone were reduced by $50 mil- Reid amendment No. 1733, to provide for clinical services budget whole, to pro- lion. the conveyance of land to the city of Las vide some parity between Indian health Saying that, despite the decrease, we Vegas, Nevada, for the construction of af- and prison health. That was incor- still have a problem even with the ad- fordable housing for seniors. porated in the Senate version of the Daschle further modified amendment No. ditional moneys we put in this year. 1734, to provide additional funds for clinical budget. We understand the problems in the In- services of the Indian Health Service, with Now we are simply saying: Let’s live dian Health Service. We are $88 million an offset. up to what the Senate said we would do over last year’s level, and the adoption Daschle further modified amendment No. on Indian health this year during the of this amendment would exceed the 1739, to strike funding for implementation of budget debate. Let’s provide that $292 subcommittee’s allocation and is sub- the Department of the Interior’s reorganiza- million, one-tenth of the amount re- ject to a point of order. tion plan for the Bureau of Indian Affairs quired, if we are going to do this right. Mr. DASCHLE. If the Senator yields and the Office of Special Trustee and to For the life of me, I cannot under- transfer the savings to the Indian Health the floor, I will be recognized for what Service. stand how someone could vote against remaining time I have. Bingaman amendment No. 1740, to ban this, knowing, as we do, we are giving This amendment is not offset. Yes, commercial advertising on The National one-half the amount of money to In- we are told we cannot afford $292 mil- Mall. dian children as we are to Federal pris- lion. We need $2.9 billion. We are told

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