Rip Esselstyn: I Am Thrilled to Welcome Back to the Podcast Dr. Michael Greger, One of the Top Rockstars in the Plant- Based Movement
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Rip Esselstyn: I am thrilled to welcome back to the podcast Dr. Michael Greger, one of the top rockstars in the plant- based movement. He is, of course, the founder of Nutritionfacts.org and he is also the author of the wildly, insanely books How Not to Die and How Not to Diet in which he lays out in depth the science behind the benefits of a whole food plant-based diet. Rip Esselstyn: Today we're going to talk about his new book, How to Survive a Pandemic, which obviously, could not be more timely. Surprisingly, most people have no idea that Dr. Greger's medical background is actually in infectious disease and he even wrote a book back in 2006 on pandemic planning and preparedness. His quarantine was spent revisiting that material and presenting the latest most seminal science amidst all the noise and nonsense that currently surround us. Rip Esselstyn: Notice when it comes to the global health of our planet, every one of your choices have a profound impact. Dr. Greger and I discussed measures to protect yourself now and in the future along with ways that we can stop the emergence of pandemics in the first place. This, of course, includes the disastrous implications of our current animal agriculture practices. It wouldn't be a conversation with Dr. Greger if we didn't dig in to other nutrition facts so quite literally, buckle up your seatbelts for this one. He is a man who walks the walk and talks the talk quite literally. Rip Esselstyn: If you're going to watch this episode on our YouTube channel, you'll see him walking on his treadmill the entire time. Don't get dizzy. So with that, let's wind him up and put him to the test, Dr. Michael Greger. Rip Esselstyn: I want to personally invite you to join us and the wildman, Dr. Michael Greger and host of all the other rockstars who are upcoming online Plant-Stock Weekend from August 14th to the 16th. This live weekend extravaganza is going to be packed with science and practical application and is a chance for your whole household to learn together and cook along with us as we give you a front row seat to all the talks and a backstage pass to the Esselstyn family farm. And if you're busy and you can't watch it live, hey, no sweat. Video access will be included with your ticket for a year after the event. Visit plantstock2020.com today to learn more. Rip Esselstyn: All right. I am here Season two of the Plant-Strong Podcast with Dr. Michael Greger. You, my man, have the hugest heart of a hero, you are Mr. Nutritionfacts.org. You are Mr. How Not to Die, How Not to Diet, How to Survive a Pandemic. It's truly amazing to me the brand that you have created over the last, really, I think, what four, five years with How Not to Die. It is phenomenal. And so huge congrats to you on all your success and all the people that you're reaching with your message. Dr. Michael Greger: Thank you so much. I feel the same about you. I'm just glad to be on the team. Rip Esselstyn: Oh, jeez Louise. So How Not to Die on the cover, you had the green leafies. So I think it might have been kale, right? Dr. Michael Greger: Actually, I think it's mustard greens. Rip Esselstyn: Mustard greens, good. Dr. Michael Greger: Yeah, yeah. Rip Esselstyn: I never have enough mustard greens, okay. That's what I'm going to do tonight. Dr. Michael Greger: They actually started out trying to give me some bullshit lettuce. I was like, "No, no, no, no, no." Rip Esselstyn: No, no. Not enough nutritional integrity there. What bout Dr. Michael Greger: [crosstalk 00:04:34] cruciferous. Rip Esselstyn: Cruciferous baby. And then How Not to Diet, you got berries. You got a bunch of berries on the front, right [crosstalk 00:04:40] How Not to Diet. For How to Survive a Pandemic, now remember I don't have that in hardback. I got them right behind me. Dr. Michael Greger: Oh nice. Rip Esselstyn: But the Pandemic, I got in my Kindle and I can't make out, what are we talking there? What kind of virus is there? Dr. Michael Greger: It's a whole bunch of wonky looking coronaviruses. Rip Esselstyn: They are. Dr. Michael Greger: [crosstalk 00:05:09] Yeah, yeah. It does, it does. It's first book, eat this. Second book, eat this. Third book, stay the hell away from me. Rip Esselstyn: Yeah, for sure. Tell me, why did you move away from the How Not to Die brand. Why was it how not to die from a pandemic? Dr. Michael Greger: That's actually what it was started out. It started out as How Not to Die from Pandemic but the publisher thought it was too morose. And I thought they'd be the ones who wanted to ... I mean they're all the branding stuff. I don't care what the hell we call it. I just wanted the information to get out there. It was more important for them not to sound so, you know. Definitely, in this time of corona that survives sounds a little more lifting as any pandemic book can be. But if you crack it open, it's not exactly beach summer eating reading. Rip Esselstyn: Oh, I cracked it open. It is intense, man. I'd love to dive into that in a sec. So How Not to Die, you dedicated to your grandma. How Not to Diet, you dedicated to your mom who you say is the source of everything that's good in your life. Is she still alive, Michael? Dr. Michael Greger: She is still alive, upstate New York where all the best people are, of course. Rip Esselstyn: Oh yeah! Dr. Michael Greger: And yeah, Binghampton. Rip Esselstyn: Fantastic, fantastic. And then How to Survive a Pandemic, you dedicated, help me if I'm not pronouncing his name correctly, Li, right? Dr. Michael Greger: Li Wenliang, yeah. Rip Esselstyn: Li Wenliang, and can you tell me why you dedicated it to him? Dr. Michael Greger: Yeah. He was actually one of the first whistleblowers in China. He's an ophthalmologist at Wuhan Central Hospital. And he saw these cases come in from the seafood market, the SARS-like pneumonia virus. They used to call it the seafood market pneumonia virus until we figured out what it was. And he sent a private message to his colleagues saying that, "Watch out, there's this new respiratory pathogen out there. Take care of yourself. Take care of your families. Take care of your fellow patients and colleagues." He was actually called before the local government agencies and silenced. In fact, was threatened for disturbing the public order and spreading rumors. If he had his message, his warning to the world gotten out, we may very well have averted this entire pandemic and been able to extinguish it at its source but because the Chinese government covered it up, the world didn't know about it for many more weeks. Dr. Michael Greger: And very tragically in his case, he was kind of one of the early heroes in all this. Then 39 days after he sent that message out to his colleagues, after contracting the very virus he was warning people about, he was dead at age 33, a family man, very tragic. I felt that we needed to pop up that heroism. We need more of that in the world. If there's every a time for transparency and for global unity and for standing up and protecting each other, now is the time. Rip Esselstyn: Amen to that. So at 33, he seems like he was very young and not in kind of a vulnerable group or demographic to die from that. I mean, is it because potentially he took in a large amount or something like that? Dr. Michael Greger: Well, it's possible they weren't using the PAPR protective gear because they just really weren't sure at that point. But look, young, healthy people are dying. It is however, very rare. So under age 50 without these comorbid conditions, without these underlying disease conditions, the risk of death is one in a thousand from this virus but as we know in this country, not having underlying risk factor diseases is a bit of a rarity. Rip Esselstyn: Yeah. No kidding. So the last time that I saw you in person, we just escaped, didn't we? Dr. Michael Greger: You really escaped. I remember we're in the airport. Rip Esselstyn: So just to give people a little bit of background, you and I both were on the Holistic Holiday at Sea Cruise ship. It was February 28th, I believe. I saw you for the first time as we were getting to get off the ship. You actually were already taking precautions. You had your purple gloves on. Dr. Michael Greger: Yeah. Rip Esselstyn: Didn't have a mask on yet. Dr. Michael Greger: Not yet. Rip Esselstyn: Yeah. And my phone was on the fritz. It had a virus, right? And so you're like, "Man, you know what, let's ..." and I wanted to catch this early flight to the airport. So anyway, you were kind enough to ..