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VOL. XLV. UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO, FRIDAY, DECEMBER 4, 1925 NO. 47 CARMAN STAT[S IT. L. Church, MP., Demands LIB[RAL PARTY WAS UNIVERSITY COLLEGE DEBATING TEAM PO [TRYTO 8[ Investigation of University POORLY OAGANIZ[O WIN FIRST INTERFACULTY DEBATE At a mee_ti~~~- in Euclid_Hall last e~~ning. T. L. C!1~1rch, M.~., IN LAST [l[CTION fN WORDY BATTLE WITH ST. MIKE'S SPIRITUAL Rf CO RO ex-Mayor ot I oronto, v01ced the opm1011 that cond1t1ons at this [ l;niversity were in need of investigation. It was time, he aid, That Canada is Overgoverned Rel igion is Bou nd to Science to decide whether Toronto \\'as to be a British university or a Fred T. Kongdon, K.C ., Speaks Leegue President of Literature and university of European fads. to University Liberal Club Is Uoamimous Decision and Poetry The things which necessitated the investigation were, ac Last Night Addresses Students Of Judges cording to the ex-sutclent of Trinity, the fact that some ED GAR IS CHAIRMAN professors adhere to the theory of free trade, and the editorial VA LU E OF EDUCATION CLASH OF PRINCIPLES which appeared in The Varsity of November 27. Search for Happiness and Exclusion of Oriental is Development of Personality Mistaken Policy Craw Complains of Difficulty Highest Aims Opens Volunteer fo r Can ada In Obtain!ng Divorce In Ontario ''Poetry'', said Bliss Cannan yester Meetings ToLnight MISSION STUD[~TS Declaring that the market yalue of day afternoon, "stimulates, ennobles an education was no criterion of its Upholding the affirmative side of the and enriches by awakening spiritual BRIN G •R. STA Ur f[A value to the individual Mr. Fred T. subject, "Resolved that Canada is over sensibilities, and I do not mean Kongdon, K.C., in addressing the governed at the present time", Uni 'spiritual' in the religious sense''. M.r. Liberal Club last night, showed that versity College defeated St. Michael's Carman then proceeded to speak of TOA• OR[SSM f fTiNGS some of the benefits derived from a last night in the first of the Inter poetry in relation to religion. Poetry liberal university training were of no faculty debates. is a record of things we experience in real comme1·cial value to a man. He To Work for Revival of M r. David Walker, of U.C., in in life and the description of objects in thought that the universities were in troducing the resolutioa, quoted Missionary Effort Am ong nature which appeal to us. It does not danger of losing the real purpose for figures to show that ther,! were too try to point out to us the laws of Students which they exist, namely, the cultiva many legislators and civi l servants per nature, but the beauties in the world tion of men and women who, in their capita in Canada as compared with about us, tangible in form and colour, WILL SPEAK IN KNOX contact with the world, would be able Great Britain and the United States, and also to emphasize moments of to give expression to true democracy a condition which results in the ad rapture and of ecstatic enjoyment. The culmination of the work of the and liberal thought. dition of 150 million dollars to the Our object is to seek happiness, not Student \'olunteer Conference he ld at Mr. Kongdon showed the value of Hon. Raoul Dandurand public debt and the consequent in mere pleasure, becau e the highest Oshawa recently, a revival of mi s the mingling of educated and un who wi ll address the students of1 this crease in taxation. happiness often comes through self sionary endeavour is being hanRoyal Ontario Museum, addressed an which he rendered account of the and that it had saved the country a ' (Do11t i1med 011 Page 2) Aid Friday Noon-Hour Bridge has swept No. 4 Queen's enthusiastic meeting of the Victoria Hall to such an extent that it was de fonds contributed by student which great sum by its action in blocking the Programmes College Classical Association last branch line proposals in the West. termined to attempt an innovation in the International Student Service had night in Annesley Hall on "The Art of The debate, which digressed for YALE WAR MEMO RIAL the form of a bridge tournament. dispensed. These funds, he said, went Dining Two Thousand Years Ago". T he Sunday evening sing-song this a while into a discussion of the doings Practically every girl signed the li sts. through the general office at Geneva, "The Romans were masters of many IN FORM OF COLONNADE week promises to be better than, ever. of the old bars at Ottawa, was really selected a partner, and now is figh ting and were practically all used for arts, and not the least of these was .:\ir. Campbell Mclnnes, who so ably the clash of two theories whether her way manfully, or perhaps more actual student work, as the executive that of dining", Dr. Harcum began. Presentod To University By Canada's great extent or its small led last week, is coming again, and has correctly womanly, through the various overhead was kept at a minimum. In earlier times virtue anl plain living population should decide the theory of Alumm Advisory arranged another prog ramme, better maze of opposing partners. Every In the course of his short speech, were held to be synonymous, and a government. The latter view ap•• if possible, than the first. For the couple is to play every other couple, 1-1r. Hoffman cited many instances to simple vegetarian diet sufficed. The Board pealed to the judges, Messrs. Mac benefit of those who have not ·already one game to occur each week, a1,d the show the object of this work among epicurean of later Rome demanded a kintosh and Cody and Dr. Phelan. Ed. Tota: :-The following extract attended one of these they arc open to scores are being religiously hc,rded foreign students. The main principle dinner of at least six courses, which T. J. Berrigan presided, and several from the New York Times was sent all members of H art House and all away until the eventful day when the is to induce co-ordination, to bring all often included a whole boar. Enter selections were played on the new to "The Varsity" by the writer of the others who can sneak in past the hall couple with the largest scon: will the students in the world into under taining reached an elaborate stage, have the pleasure of being presented a standing and good fe llowship. The Steinway. letter sig11ed "B.A. 1882", which ap porter. A light supper is always pro- over a thousand people attending a pears in to-day's correspondence much-coveted, although not yet present request for contributions was dinner at times. F lowers a nd ex vided for all who wish it afterwards divulged prize, at a party to be given column. largely to establish a fund which may pensive per fumes were a necessary ROOM FOR VARSITY MEN fo r the nominal charge of ten cents. for the house. New Haven, Nov. 26.-Yale's mem be drawn upon in an emergency. pa rt, and it is said Nero's dining-hall IN BUSINESS PAPER FIELD They begin at 8.45 p, m. and end when orial to her 227 students and graduates was fitted with pipes for spraying who lost their lives in the Great War they lock up the house. fl owers and perfumes on the guests. Chalmers of "Financial Post" wi ll take the form of a colonnade on Friday of this week will sec the Harl House Sleepers Ruined To such lengths did the epicurean Addresses Commerce Club the south side of the Yale Dining first of the Noon-Hour Sing-Songs tastes go that towns and villages were Yesterday Hall with an altar of liberty in the which were so popular last year. Mr. By Insidious Indolent Habits almost ruined in providing these lux- cent;e, the Univer-sity announced to urics. Workman has obtained for these some T h k d 1· I d h d' Opportunities for Varsity men in day. Alterations will be made in the To sleep or not to sleep! That is the shelves. Another student stated e spea er c ig 1te er au 1ence the Business Paper fi eld were outlined Hewitt Quadrangle in front of the of the latest popular music and with the all important question which faces that it was the religious atmosphere of wi th her talk on Roman table etiquette. by F loyd F . Chalmers of the "Financial colonnade to make it a part of the these and a few of the old favourites every male undergraduate, upon enter- the place that affected him most. The ideal number at tabl·· was nine Post", addressing the Commerce Club memorial. we look for a haJJPY half-hour. The ing the Hart House library. Even Whatever the cause, it is an un- not two. Spoons were used only yesterday afternoon. The funds have been presented by com mi ttee are, however, hampered by the most studiously inclined have ad- disputed fact, that here is one place when it was inconvenient to use the Alumni Advisory Board, whose Business men, he said, require a lack of help, particularly in the matter m1·t te d , w h en 111· terv1ew· e d , that they "'•• here even the most energetic ma)• (Contitiued on Page 4) committee, under the chairmanship of service which the daily newspapers do have found it di fficult to escape the feel that pleasant drowsiness, so 0ftPn not provide, as they play up the more F rederic W . Allen, 1900, interested of pianists and leaders. T hese duties arms of Morpheus, having once be- associated with a mid-summer after- Last Faculty Tea of Term sensational events and ignore many Yale men in the proposal. The type at present contin ually fall on a few come settled in a chesterfield. noon. Has Large Attendance matters of vital interest to the business a nd location were decided on by the men who are consequently worked T li e 1· 11s1'd 1' 011s thi ng about it is that h h d But after all , why should t e ar - Yeste1·day's Faculty Tea in the Grad community. Trade papers give the Alumni Advisory J3oard on the recom very hard. Any men wishing to help the habit grows. Once having fallen the working student not have a pl ace for mendat;on of James Gamble Rogers, ua te Room of U .C. Library was a very business men the information they would be welcomed by the committee conscientious student is doomed ~or quiet peace and repose? A place where '89; William Adams Delano, 95; pleasant affai r, the large attendance need and often help to influence legis the rest of his academic career. T ry he may compose himself afresh after Grosvenor Atterbury, '91 ; and Charles at any time. indicating that this opportunity for lation in their favour. Opportuni ties as he mav to shake off the shackles his :Jeina worn by a tedious lecture. P. Howland, '91, all of New York. students to meet members of the were described in the editorials, adver GERMAN CLUB SING-SONG efforts gr~dually become weaker, until Surely, indeed, the Hart House library T he design, which was made by Faculty is much appreciated. tising and ci1·culatio11 departments. Thomas Hasting of New York, has The sing-song group of the U. of by the time he reaches his final year fills a big need in the student lifr. T he hostesses were Mrs. Fay and Mr. Gordon Rutledge of the "Post", been approved by the Yale Corporation T. German Club wi ll hold its regular the poor victim usually gives up Here for a few brief, bli ssful moments Mrs. Gilbert J ackson, who recci,:ed, whom Mr. Chalmers had brought along and by the executive committee of the entirely. the thoughts of term exams, hall bed- while M rs. Currelly and Mrs. Owen "for moral support", also spoke. Mr. meeting on Monday, Dec. 7th, from Various reasons have been advanced rooms and that last cheque which A lumni Advisory Board in behalf of poured tea. It is said that yesterday's Rutledge is a graduate of Victoria S to 6 o'clock at Annesley Hall T ea to explain the phenomenon, one being failed to come through may be the war memorial committee of that tea was to be the last one this term, College, and told the boys that Varsity Rooms. Remember the hour, song- that it was the effect of the numerous relegated to the background or for- but everyone will be pleased when they Board. men, with their keen analytical abi lity, a re resumed after the New; Year. were especially successful in this field. (Co nti1med OH Page 4) birds, and be sure to come. weighty and ponderous books li ning gotten completely. THE V A RS ITY ~rt, music an 1!\rama Christian Science Published five ti mes a week by the Joint Executive of II FIRST CHURCH OF CHRIST, SCIENTIST, st· (~l~~~~: ~~·J'!~~s'ft~~er the Students' Administrative Councils of the University Services-Sunday, 11 a.m. and 7 p.m. You are cordially invited to attend of Toronto. "iruranbot " imported costumes to form an ad- Sunday School at 11.00 a.m. the services and use the Editorial Rooms ...... Trinity 4015 Last night we went to sec Turnadot mirable ensemble. The capable ac ting Subject for Sunday, December 6, will be Free Public Business Office ...... Trinity 5036 -and we thoroughly enjoyed it. It is of Mr. Kirby Hawkes, as Prince Calaf, "God the Only Cause and Creat or, " Rea.ding Rooms Night Phone ...... _.Trinity 0227 a colourful and interesting spectacle. did th most successful work we vVednesday Service 8 p.m. 1504 Metropolitan Bid~. True, it is scarcely to be called a have seen him do, and that of Miss In the Church Auditorium Ade laide and Victoria Sts. Women's Office ...... Trinity 8870 01,en 9.30 a.m. to 9.00 p .m. drama in the strict sense of the word: F lorence McGee, who last night went including Editor•in•Chief ...... F. B. STRANGWAYS, '26 Where the Bible and all authorized Women's Editor ...... WINNIFRED HODGES, '26 on as Turnadot in place of Lorna Testimonies of Healing through Christian Science literature may be it is simply a stage version of the talc read, borrowed, or purchased, and from the Arabian Nights, done on the McLean, greatly aids the effect. The Christian Science periodicals subscribed for ~=-:~;{it!~~;~'.fi:.-.-.~~.~~~.-.-:.:::.:.::::.:::.:.::::.::::.:.:::.:::.:.:.:.:::.:.::.:.:.::.::::.:.:.::.:.:::::.::.::::::-~.~.. ~~~.~~~~· ;:,~;!~:~: :~i grand scale with very considerable same is true of the music supplied by Women's News Editor ...... FRANCES STINSON , '27 Sporting Editor ...... ]AMES W. RonsoN, '28 success. No attempt is made to em the orchestra, which is very ably con Women's Sporting Editor ...... Evx PowELL, '28 bellish the simple plot: the spectacular ducted by Dr. McMi ll an. Assistant Managing Editor ...... ----··· .. ········ .... · ...... J . E. GooDISON, '26 The large east is cleverly handled, Assistant News Editor ...... }OHN B. MooRE, '27 element is the one of main im ~t. ~aul's C!tburcb portance, and "Turnadot" is a very and the whole production is a credit Bloor Street East ROYAL ONTARIO i~r~~~\:~£!;:.::~::~~~::::::::::::::::::·::::::::·::::·:·:::·:::::·:·::::::::::·:::::::·::::::::::::::::::::::::::::~~Y~;~~~~~: :~~ effective piece of pageantry. Good to Mr. Sinclair's direction. ::!actr- A. CASTELL, '27 MUSEUM settings combine with the magnificent C.P.S. R.-v. Canon Cody, ~f.A., D. D., LL.D. Librarian ...... W. I. STAFFORD, '27 Assista n ts-R ev. H enry Roc h e, ~I.A. ASSOCIATE EDITORS R ev. llenry :Hars h , M . A. 253 Bloor St. West E . R. Angus. B.A.; I. M. Grin;:orten, '26; J . M. C. Lazier, '28; Jean Cowan, '27; Near Avenue R oad Claire Nesbitt, '26; Margaret Ness, ' 26. 11 a.m.-DR. Coov. "The Sect of Seekers.'' NIGHT EDITORS. ffi ~e ! pirit of tlJt 1.gt Largest \>erm anent exhibi F. W. Bertram, '28; S. H. Beck. '26; C. M. Campbell, '26; W. R. Car roll, '26 ; 3 p.m.-Bible Classes, tion in Canada. Archaeology, G. M. G. Smith, '28; P. A. Coyle, '27; Hugh Branion, '28; R. T. Hallock, '28; 7 p.m.-DR. Coov. Sons of Jacob Geology, Mineralogy, Palae G. H. Hargrave, '29; G. IL Lancashire, '28; W. E. L. Lee, '27. "A Hind let loose." ' ontology, Zoology. REPORTERS To laugh at the same things i5 in Open daily, 10 a .m. to 6 Y o u and Yonr Frie nds Are Cordially p.m. C. W. McLeod, L. Ryan, S. Sanofsky, V. Bourke, C. Crusoe, W. J . Lowrie, D. R. itself a bond of union.-Barry Pai11. Invite d to make t his your church Meredith, S. Godin. M. L. Piper, N. T. Berry, H. H. Berry, G. Patterson, D. Kendell, h o n1c. Students of all faculties Agnes Hodgetts, George.Anne Dell, Gwen Hurlburt, Helen Smith, Mabel MacLellan, * * * and colleges are admitted Fern Weston, Dora Sanders, Helen Matthews, Margaret Malcomson, Helen Allen, Rohama Siegel, Margaret Hilchie, Margaret Fairbairn, Marion Heyland, Freda Kincaide, Edith A man will not reach eloquence if free on pay-days (Monday, l\Iaclnnes, Rosamond McCulloch, Elsie McI ntosh, Dorothy Paget, Marion Stinett, he is afraid of bombast, just as a man Wednesday and Friday) on presentation of t heir cards of Emma \.\'eir, Helen White. wi ll not jump a hedge if he is afraid BLOOR ST. UNITED CHURCH BUSINESS MANAGER YOUNG MEN'S CLASS registration. These days are G. F. BANNERMAN, B.A. in- of a ditch.-G.K.C. Leader~- Mr. Thomas Bradshaw also preferable for observa The "Evening Telegram'' has tion and study since the gen * * * and Mr. David Gibson Night Editor-G. H. HARGRAVE augurated a new publicity stunt, and All Men Welcome. eral attendance is greatly Make-Up Editor-G. M. GRANT SMITH Assistant-J. GORDON PATTERSON this comedy"'of erro rs has proved more Marriage gives a girl liberty, gives Sundays 3 p.m. reduced. successful than even the most sanguine her ac\miration, gives her succes5; a Huron St. entrance, upstairs TORONTO, DECEMBER 4, 1925 of its editors had ever dared hope. woman' s whole position depends upon For the first time in history the entire it, really.-George AIoore. THE EVENING TELEGRAM COMES PERILOUSLY stock was sold out last night to a * * * clamouring mass of hilarious students. The world in all ages has been CLOSE TO TREASON! Ordinarily the Tely is never looked at divided between contempt and fear of CONVOCATION HALL I n an editorial of Saturday, Kov. 28, from w hich extracts were at Varsity, and this new publicity those who employ the power of ideas, quoted in The Varsity, The Evening· Telegram deprecates t he fact stunr looks as if at least two copies and know no other weapo n.-Jowett. SUNDAY EVEN ING that so much capital is made of Locarno from the platform and in will be sold every night now. * * * the press. C-C Over the greatest reaches of time M . Briand, Prime Minister of France, said of Locarno that "it The fact that the "Tely'' has lowered an University of Toronto 'Shen K ing George sanctions the signing of a treaty, and, to mark C-C STATES POETRY his appreciation of its value, calls to Buckingham the Foreign CARMAN on At any rate we know that the TO BE SPIRITUAL Secretary, will the true subject scorn that treaty, and regard it as a ·'Telegram" is now setting a higher (Continued from Page 1) "The Leag·ue and its Influence" thing to be deplored? Will the loyal newspaper,,inspired by r eal love standard. They hal'e twice repeated something greater than ourselves, and for the British Empire, use all its power a nd influence to make that our editorial of Friday, November 27. nothing but religion will do". C-C treaty a thing of disrespect? Poems that have a background of The Pink Sheet seems to be taking The King, in r ecognition of his work, conferred on Austen mystery have a touch of religion in The Students' Administrative Coun cil has been enabled liberties with the ages of some of the them. fr. Carman then give a read- to give the studen ts t his opportunity to hear Hon. Mr. Chamberlain the order of Knight of the Garter, and on his wife, fair members on ''The Varsity" staff. Dandura nd through t he kindness of the T oronto Branch Dame of Grand Cross, O .B.E., a double order without precedent in 'I/Ve already know of several men being ing of several of his own poems, from Britain's history. King George, moreover, is not a lone in his disillusioned. his newly publis hed volume "Far of t he League of ations Society in Canada, which is Horizons", which were very much appreciation of Locarno. \Vhen th e Speaker in the British House of C-C responsible for b r inging him to T oronto. appreciated by the audience. They Commons put the motion for its ratification, only 13 members stood The average age of "The Varsity" editorial staff as computed by the all showed that in our thoughts about against it. T he others, Commoners of O ld England, rose with joy "Telegram" is 21 years and 4 months. nature there is a religious sensibility. upon their lips, and shouted in its favour. The average age in year51 of the staff Professor Edgar, who introduced the And thus the intellectual straws do show whence blows the of the "Tely" is computed to be spe;;.ke r, announced that Mr. Carman Imperia list wind. The Telegrani, loud declaimer of its loyalty to 42 years, 7 months, 11 days, 5 min wil1 hold a discussion group Friday, ROYAL 1 ALEXANDRA utes and 58 seconds. In intellect the Britain, opposes, ridicules, does all within its power to bring to Dec. 4, at 12.10 o'clock, in Room 48, • average age is minus one million to ONE MONDAY DEC 7 MATINEES nothingness the treaty w 11ic h h as met with E ng 1and's universal favour, U.C., for any desiring to speak with :tf~NI NG , • ~~F;f.Jifl f.:Y the nth power. BUANDON BUOTJIER S, SAN F RA...~CISCO OPE RA C OMPANY him. from King to Commoner. In doing so The Telegram brings naught C-C Gilbert and Sullivan's lncomparable Comic Opera unto destruct ion except its self-conceived loyalty to K ing a nd Country. T he most pathetic part of the Mast ero ece J n other days, when censors weilded withering pens, as advocated by "Telegram's" two columns of comedy brightest minds in the University to The Telegram itself, uch talk wou ld be regard ed as H igh Treason. of errors was the fact that their lay day, is quo'ted as saying, "I have no out man put "Heard in College Halls" sympathy with the narrow spi rif directly underneath it, in which which desires to perpetuate the war EDITORIAL COMMENT Professor G. M. Wrong, one of the feelings". And now "Tommy"' Church, M.P., ex-Mayor of Toronto, is fighting The Telegrain:s battles. It seems to take more than a few years at Ottawa to make the former Mayor forget his old friends here. TO-NIGHT AND THE REST OF THE WEEK ''THE WILD DUCK'' The newspaper bu siness can be the highest of all callings, doing By Henrik Ibsen more work for good and tolerance than any other profession. But, A PLAYERS' CLUB PRODUCTION Hear once again t he beautiful ~e:ns ut · nt 1 . ADG'' that when a great daily proceeds to smear its editorials with narrow At the NEW THEATRE vib r ate perennially in the hear ts ~t the entirP world mindedness, and stirs up old, forgotten passions, it is the lowest form Yonge and McGill Street s - Elgin 6109 BRILLIANT CAST AND C: H O RUS of prostitution. STUDENTS MATINEE SATURDAY SEATS 50c T RANSCONTT Tr.1'TTAL Tf'{TR PRICES Nights 60c., $1.00, $1.60, $2.00; Both Mat s., 60c., 76c., $1.00, $1.60 As a gesture of good-will on the eve of signing the Locarno pact, EXTRA SPECIAL STUDENT'S DISCOUNT British troops evacuated the occupied zone 24 hours before the of 50c. on each $1.50 or $2.00 Ticket on Monday Tuesday ceremony in London. Despite: orders again t fraternizing, they an d Wedn esday Even ings, December 7, 8, 9. Secure ex took 800 German girls with them as wives. Are The British Tommies Club and Year Executives ch an ge at S.A.C., Hart House, or Room 82, University College. SEATS ON SALE TO-DAY. forgiving and forgetting, The Telegralll to the contrary not withstanding? Attention students or graduates to-day attach Do you realize that the difference in price between the same reverence to our memorial RE~fEMBER a half-page picture with n o write-up, and a half-page Corrtsponbtnct for the 640 men whose names are in Where you get the largest ch oice in evening clothes for scribed on the tablets of the Memorial picture with 300 write-up is only $1.50. all occasion s, both for Rent and Sale. IS SOLDIERS' TOWER TREATED Tower? Is the War Memorial treated Th at Freeman Dress Exchange is t h e nearest place The students and the m embers of your organization wh ere you can buy first-class slightly u sed and new 'WITH RESPECT? with becoming respect as a shrine and will certainly appreciate learning what you are doing clothin g at unusually low prices. sanctuary, except on Armistice Day Editor, "The Varsity." for a few moments? Anyone who has through a write-up in Dear Sir: seen how always, every day, the ceno THE FREEMAN DRESS EXCHANGE From enclosed you can sec what taph in Whitehall is treated would not 571 Yonge Street Randolph 3270 H alf a block north of St. Albans and Wellesley St. importance Yale University attaches to think so from what he sees at the TORONTONENSIS '26 227 students and graduates who gave Soldiers' Tower. We buy or exchange your cast off clothing. their lives in the Great War. Do our B.A. 1882. t HE VARSI T Y DENTS DEFEAT VICTORIA TO IN INTERFACULTY SOCCER TILTE JR. U.C. AND SR. MEDS MEET U.T.S. PLAYS SARNIA IN WATER POLO NEXT WEEK COLLEGIATE SATURDAY II SPEAKING OF SPORT II DENTS Dff [AT VIC SWI MMING MHT Jr. U.C. and Sr. Meds to Battle for The University of Toronto Schools Eckhart Trophy Don't forget the Annual Athletic play solely as an Intercollegiate or- ANO WIN SOCC [R AT HART HOUS[ rugby team plays Sarnia Collegiate in At-Home. On Tuesday and Thursday of next London on Saturday in the Inter gani sation ; but they wi ll play many scholastic O.R.F.U. final. T he intere ting gamC's throughout the year CHAMPI D~S HIP Swimming Laurels Will be week Jr. U.C. meet Sr. 1Icds to de termine the winner in the water polo U.T.S boys have fought their way into T he Senior hockey team opens the wi th the hest of the outsi de teams, Keenly Competed first of its preli minary to the season and if they are to make a cre