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TheAdministrativeReviewBoardwascalledtoorder.

The Designated Officer (DMO) was sworn .

The BoardReporter was sworn

The Translatorwas sworn

TheDetaineeenteredtheproceedings

ThePresiding announced theconvening andpurposeofthe Administrative Review Boardproceedings

ThePresidingOfficerconfirmedthattheDetaineeunderstoodEnglishandinformed himthat if hadanyquestionsto referto the linguistandthe make anyclarificationsthattheDetaineeneeded.

The Administrative Review Board members were sworn .

TheAssistingMilitaryOfficer was sworn

ThePresiding askedtheDetaineeifhewishesto makehisstatementsunder oath. (Muslimoath offered).

Detainee: I am Catholic.

PresidingOfficer: We can administerthe appropriateoathifyouwouldlike.

Detaince Yes sir

The Detainee accepted taking the oath

The Presiding Officer readthe hearing instructions to the Detainee and confirmed that he understood

TheAssistingMilitaryOfficerpresentedtheEnemyCombatantNotificationform , ExhibitEC- A , totheAdministrativeReviewBoard.

TheAssistingMilitary presentedthe EnemyCombatantElectionForm , Exhibi EC - B, to theAdministrative Board.

PresidingOfficer AssistingMilitary Officer pleaseread your comments from the Enemy Combatant ElectionForm

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Assisting MilitaryOfficer: The Detaince'sARB interviewoccurredon 16August 2005 andlastedforty- five minutes. Aftera review ofthe ARB'spurposeand procedures, the Englishversionof UnclassifiedSummaryofEvidencewas readto theDetainee. Englishwas the languagespokenduringtheinterview, but ifweranintodifficultieswith the languagehewoulddeferto the linguistfor a translation. Whenaskedifhe wantedto attendthe ARB, presenta writtenor oralstatement, or havethe AMOspeak on his behalf, stated wants to attendthe ARB and speak onhisownbehalf. Afterwards, he statedhe to respondto eachallegation or statementof Unclassified SummaryofEvidenceafteritis presented. He also expresseda desireto speak openly to the reviewboard The Detaincewas andvery cooperativethroughoutthe interview. Atthe conclusionofthe interview, was providedanEnglishandFarsi versionofthe UnclassifiedSummaryofEvidence.

The DesignatedMuitary Officerpresented the Unclassified of Evidence, Exhibit - theFBIRedactionMemorandum , DMO 2 andthe Terrorist Organization Reference Guide, DMO-3, to theAdministrativeReviewBoard

TheDesignatedMilitary Officer stated that a copy of these exhibitshadbeen previously distributedtotheAssisting Officer.

The Designated a briefdescription of the contents ofthe UnclassifiedSummaryofEvidence, - 1 theAdministrative Review Board

The Detainee chose to respond lineto the Unclassified Summary of Evidence. The Designated the UnclassifiedSummary to assist the Detainee with answering the statements.

Designated Military Officer: ( 3) The following factors favor continued detention : ( 3.a ) Commitment (3.a.1) The Detaincc worked for a long time as a drug courier between Afghanistan and Iran.

: I workedformy countryfora longtime sellingdrugs. This [ is] firsttimeI Afghanistan, notallthe time. Thisisthe firsttime. Before, I was sellingdrugs inmycountry. Thisisthe first time I [went] from Iran toAfghanistan. Thisis first time. I wasworkingindrugs formycountry...I a seller. I am a bigman . I ama littlemanandI sellforsomebodyelse for moneyinmycity andinIran. I never worked (sellingdrugs) for anothercountryjust

DesignatedMilitaryOfficer: ( DetaineehadanAfghanipersonobtaina letter fromthe Hezb IslamiGulbuddinallowingtheDetainedto the borderfrom Iranto Afghanistan. The Detaineepaid 5,000in Iranianmoney(NFD).

Detainee: Yes sir I hadto cometo Afghanistanandhadto have someoneelse bringthe paperwork formeto crossthe border) withtheAfghanipolice. I gavesome Afghanistanperson5,000inIranianmoncyandhesaidI waswithHezb-e Islami ISN Enclosure( 5 ) Page 2 of 20587 UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED

Gulbuddin. I gavehimmypictureandmynameand broughtmethepaperformeto crossthe borderfromIranto Afghanistan. Do youunderstandme? MyEnglishisnot verygood.

Presiding Officer: Yes, we understandyou and will some questionsfor you afterwards. Ifwedon't understandwe will ask the linguistto help us out.

Designated Military Officer ( Hezb- e Islami Gulbuddin (HIG ) has long established ties with Usama Bin Ladin . (HIG ) founder Gulbuddin Hikmatyar offered to shelter Bin Ladin after the latter fled Sudan in 1996. HIG bas staged small attacks in attempt to force troops to withdraw from Afghanistan , overthrow the Afghan Transitional Administration (ATA ), and establish a fundamentalist state

I haveneverheardofthis stuff. I don'tknow Hikmatayarwasworking for. don'tunderstand. I don'tknowwho howas and I don't knowwho he is now Hezbe is everywhereeveninIranandthey exist in in . Eventhe Afghansthatcometothe borderhaveto havesometypeofcard, like identification card. ComingfromIrantoAfghanistanyoubaveto bavean . foundout about this three days ago and priorto that I did have anyknowledgeofit.

PresidingOfficer: out aboutwhat?

Detainee: AboutHG and the commander.

Designated MilitaryOfficer: ( 3.b.) Training: The Detaineo was inthe Iranianarmy in the 3-4 years before he went to Afghanistan. While the military he was trained in basic drill and the AK -47.

Detainee: Yes, I workedfor the IranianNavy the Army, andnotfor 3-4. years. I workedfor the IranianNavyfor year and6 months. Inbasictrainingthe methe AK 47. InIranyouserveinthe militaryfor 2 yearsandI served 1 year anda halfandthenI away. I don't themilitary.

DesignatedMilitaryOfficer: ( 4) the followingfactorsfavor release transfer: (4.a) The Detsinee diagnosedwitha severeborderlinepersonalitydisorder

DesignatedMilitaryOfficer: The Detaineeansweredno to questionsaboutbelongingto antiU.S.groups, attackingcoalitionforces, or plansto attackcoalitionforcos released.

Detainee: Yessir, that is correct.

Presiding Officer: Thank you

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TheDesignatedMilitaryOfficerconfirmedthathe nofurtherunclassified informationandrequesteda closedsessiontopresentclassifiedinformationrelevantto dispositionof Detainee. The PresidingOfficeracknowledgedthe request The PresidingOfficer openedtheAdministrative to theDetainee to presentInformationwith the assistanceoftheAssistingMilitaryOfficer. AssistingMilitaryOfficer: The Detaineewould like tomakean oral statement.

Presiding : Abdul Majid youmay beginyour statement.

The Detainee made the following statement :

Detainee am here and I understandthat before I was workinginbadstuff, working with drugs. I was workingwith bad people inmy country and I almost... years and 9 here I have problemsfor the U.S. BeforeI did not give any problemos toanybody. I likepeacefor everybody and I likehonorforeverybody. After 3 years and 9 monthshere I don'thave anydetainee friends and that isbecause I Iran...I am Iranian ...I am catholic I believe inJesus, the Rosary Cross and theHoly Mary Here ) Muslim and I don'tliketo disrespectany religion, Muslims, Catholics, Christians, or Jewish human. Inthe 3 years and 9 months theDetainees ) thrownbadstuffonme, spit on me, and cursedme. BeforeI tried to killmyself and when I was inCamp 4 this Detainee said hadto killmebecauseI was not Muslimand because I was Iranian. I said to himifyouneedtokillme problem . I am clearand when I die and go inthe ground I know I will wake up and go beside God. this I holdmy life...for 32 years neverhad any cares or had any fights ...justallmy love, , and a smile on myface. I neededtobea friend for everybody, young orold, manor woman, allofthem . at everybodylike a brother, sister, or mother. Yes, you guys are Americans and I am Iranian, butenemies, I say You arehumanand I am human. Allofus are from one fatherand one mother, all one family. I have never killedanybody. Pleasesir help go . Two monthsago I gota letter frommy home and drug dealer killedmydaughter. I havetwo kids. One is years andone is 7 years old. Two monthsago the one drug dealer that I have to give $ 4,000,000 or I have towork indrugs. This is why I went toAfghanistantofind the $ 4,000,000 and give itto himso I cantake care ofmy family. I promisedto Godthat I would stop drugs and everythingand never go near any nicotine, anymorphine, or anyalcohol. I went to Afghanistan, thisnew governmentinAfghanistan, caught me and gave to the U.S.for bucks. Now , after 3 years and 9 monthshere, [ have not been) problemfor the U.S. and don'tunderstand Qaida, Taliban, or UsamabinLaden. Now don't understandand don't want tounderstand. I just wantto go homeand take care ofmy family andtake a clearjob. Nowafter 3 and 9 here I understand everything. I understanddrugs are not good...drugs stoppingmy life...drugs are stopping...I lost my family drugs this I lostmy family. For 3 years and 9 months

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I have seen my family. Before, when I went to prison in Iran 3 week 2-3 times my family would como andvisit methere andI did not understand anything, but I was happy. NowI understand drugs are notgood. First, drugs make youloseyour and secondly drugs kill all the people. The you just the drugsmake young people come for heroin, cocainc, andhashish. Forthis I promise to my God and I promise to my son God, Jesus, if go home I will never go around any nicotine, any morphine, or beside alcohol. Why ...because I needto be a clear man , a clear Catholic. Why ? I don't know . Maybe because I walked in the past and 1died and made God mad at me. I am here inthis detention camp... U.S.punisbment for me... thinking punishment for me, I thinking this is God's punishment for me. I am here maybe for some reason... formy reason maybe drugs. Now understand drugs are notgoodand this [ ] punishment for me. Give me a chance God I am thinking Godjust give me a chance I am thinking ... will go lead another life I go home I will God and never sell any bad stuff. Thank yousit

Presiding Officer Thank you . Docs that conclude your statement ?

Detainee: Yes sir

The Assisting Muitary Officer hadno questions for the Detainee.

The DesignatedMilitary hadthe following questionsforthe Detainee.

Designated Military Officer: Ifyou back home what wouldyou do , what would you plan to do ?

Detainee IfI havethe chanceto go home...ifI go homefrom I know I willbavea goodlife. I am sureninetyto ninetyfive percent the willkillme because ranawayfromthe militaryandI ranawayfrommycountry. I ( fire to the IranianflagbecauseI wantfreedomandI don'tlikeIran. I set fireto the flagofIranand mymilitaryuniform . Thegovernment(was) onmybacktellingmeI took anoathandI promisedto workforthe military. I toldthemI didnotwantto work for the military Also, I worked and I wentto prisonthreetimesinIranand I signed(papers) that saidI wouldnever [ dealwith] drugs. A friendtoldmedrugsweregood(and could money I go bomeI willtake a nicejob (making littlemoney. I think I willbe anengineeror a mechaniconcars.

DesignatedMilitary Officer Sir, further questions.

Administrative Review BoardMember's questions:

BoardMember: How did you become a RomanCatholic ?

Frommymother...mymotheris Armenian.

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Detaince was capturedin) Afghanistan

BoardMember Who capturedyou?

Detainee Afghani, Afghani...... police...the newgovernment in Afghanistan.

Board member: Where ?

Detainee Ghazni.

Board : Were there other people around when you were captured ? you by yourself when you were captured ?

Detainee: I was bymyself. I was near a small creek cleaningmy clothes. I took a showerand was smoking a cigarette. I was inAfghanistanwith myheaddown, smoking sitting and happy. I wentthere tofind $ 4,000,000to giveto this guy [ so] I could go take care ofmy family. I saw 4 5 cars and allthe people hadAK 47 and RPGs. I was in a muscle t - shirt. They all ranup to me and said wake up, wake . They said I was Arabic and I told them I was not Arabic. I showed them mypassportand ( told them was Iranian. They said no and broke mypassport andhit me inthe lipwith an AK - 47. Afterthat theytook me bythearms and for week they did notgiveme anythingbut a littlewater. said I was Arabic and that I wasnot good. I told them I and understand or speak Arabic speakFarsi andI am from Iran. Afterthat I wentto a bighouse and another five orsixguys showed up. One guy said he understoodIranian . He toldthem Iranianand that I was speaking Farsi. I toldhimI was from ShirazIran. They gaveme foodand stuffand saidthey wouldtake me to Kandaharand then you cango to Iran. I said letme goand then I will go . He said I will takeyouto Kandaharand my boss will give youmoney and thenyou can to Iran They took metoKandaharand kept me ina roomwithtwo Afghani guards withAK - . After a few hours inthis roomtheir boss came inandthey took me to a backroomand gave me to Americans. I saw a civilian (American give them $ for me. The Americans putplastic shackles on me andtook a of my head. Afterthat they said I would goto the detention camp for a few days andthen go home then I came here for 3 and 9 months. They ncver asked questions about al Qaida or Talibanjust aboutdrugs. I toldthem I didnot have time to sithere and have conversationI have a time, 3-4 months, to find 4,000,000to give to another guy and ifI don't he is going to killallofmy family. They said O.K. and I [ sent] here and I havebeenhere for 3 years and 9 and I have not givenU.S.people any problems. I told all the guards that they are mybrothers and sisters. I likeall ofmy sisters and brothers. I like all humans and we all family, Muslimpeople may say that I am not good because America is not my family they are my enemy. I say no because American , or Iranianall come from one father andone mother, Adam and Eve

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Board Member: You a passport well as the HIGdocument. Was the HIG document a document with a picture with some writing ?

Detainee: Yes. Forthe HIGdocumentI one paper...

BoardMember: Why wouldn'tthe passportget you into Afghanistan ?

Detainee: I always keptit inmypocket. Youdon't usea passport InAfghanistan you to use the paper. BoardMember: Didyouknowthat there was a war inAfghanistanwhen you went there ?

Detainee No I did not. I never watched the T.V. or radio . I don't likeT.V. andradio.

BoardMember: $ 4,000,000 or $ 5,000,000 is a lot of money. Didyou reallythink you could get that much money inAfghanistan?

Detainee: . An Afghani friend told me...I told himI didnotwant to work in drugs anymore. He said ifI go to Afghanistan they have this drug and ifyou cut the poppy seeds you will make double that one month . I was ignorant I believe everybody because I don't have any older brothers, I am the oldest inmy family . I have two younger brothers and two younger sisters and I don't have a mother.

The Presiding Officer readthe post- Administrative Review Boardinstructions to the Detainee andadjourned the open session of the Administrative Review Board

The PresidingOfficeropenedthe classifiedportion of thesession.

ThePresidingOfficeradjournedtheclassifiedportionofthesession andthe AdministrativeReviewBoardwas closed fordeliberationandvoting

( The Detainee interrupts with thefollowingstatement

: How long should I wait ? I don't have any problems with anybody here, so in you opinion how long should I wait for an answer ? I don't have a lawyer, prisoners have lawyers and are being represented by somebody. I amjust here by myselfand if you could give me an answer I have any detainee friends I just stay in one room for 24 hours a day andthey itfor 3 times to give me dinner then I just go to bed.

Presiding Officer: The Designated Civilian Official in Washington, D.C., once he makes a decision a date will be set and youwillbe notified. do not know exact date to be able to give you that information.

Detainee: towaitfor a year ?

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PresidingOfficer The date has notbeendeterminedandoncehecomes upwitha you willbe notified

Detainee: I promise when I go home I will not give any problems to .

Presiding Officer: We understand and the board did get that message from you today and onco do our deliberation information will be in report to the civilian official.

Detaines: WhenI gohomeI willnot sell and go toanotherprison. I understand everything...I willgo a smarterway. I understanddrugs arenotgoodandI willnot any nicotineor morphine. I sweartoJesusandGod

Presiding Officer: understand that and everything you have said will be in our report for their review and it will be taken into consideration when we do our writing. That is the best answer I can you .

Detaines: Thank you . Two monthsago I lostmy daughterandthis guy said if don't givehimmoneymaybenextitwill be my son, my sister, ormybrother. Thatiswhy I don'twantto sithereand family. IIdidnothavea family any brothersand sistersor kids, I wouldsit with problem .

PresidingOfficer: The thingI canthinkofright isforyouto get intouchwith theInternationalRedCrossto seewhat they cando for youinregardsto family

Detaince Thank yousir.

AUTHENTICATION

I certify the materialcontained inthistranscript is a trueand accurate summary ofthe during the proceedings.

PresidingOfficer

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