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Tuesday Volume 591 20 January 2015 No. 95 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Tuesday 20 January 2015 £5·00 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2015 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 63 20 JANUARY 2015 64 Mr Lidington: I acknowledge Turkey’s commitment House of Commons to the international coalition against ISIL and the tremendous burden that Turkey has shouldered in looking Tuesday 20 January 2015 after roughly 1.5 million refugees from Iraq and Syria. But we do continue to talk at the top level to the The House met at half-past Eleven o’clock Turkish Government about how to improve that alliance further to secure more effective action against ISIL. PRAYERS Mr David Nuttall (Bury North) (Con): If the UK is [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] still a member of the EU at the time of any future accession by Turkey, does my right hon. Friend think that it would be appropriate for the British people to be Oral Answers to Questions asked in a referendum whether they think Turkey should be allowed to join the EU? FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH OFFICE Mr Lidington: It will be up to this House to decide whether or not to approve a Turkish accession treaty. Of The Secretary of State was asked— course it will be open to Parliament, if it wanted to do so, to make that subject to a referendum but, in the Turkey: EU Accession past, all new accessions to the EU have been dealt with in this country by parliamentary process. The coalition 1. Mr Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury) (Con): What have strengthened that to make sure that there must be his policy is on Turkey’s accession to the EU. [907094] an Act of Parliament before any new accessions take place. The Minister for Europe (Mr David Lidington): We remain strong supporters of Turkey’s EU accession process. We believe that Turkish accession would be in Arms Trade the national interest of the UK and would contribute to the security and prosperity of the British people. But 2. Sheila Gilmore (Edinburgh East) (Lab): If he will like any other new member Turkey would have to meet discuss with the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation the tough and demanding conditions for entry before and Skills the imposition of further restrictions on the she could join. sale of arms to countries his Department has identified Mr Robertson: If Turkey or any other country were as having a record of disregarding human rights; and if to come into the European Union, how will the Government he will make a statement. [907095] prevent large-scale migration to this country from those countries under the current rules of the single market? The Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (Mr Philip Hammond): The Government are Mr Lidington: As the Prime Minister has already said satisfied that we have a robust system in place. All arms publicly, we believe that future arrangements for freedom licensing applications are subject to a case-by-case of movement from new member countries cannot take assessment against the consolidated EU and national place on the same basis as has happened with transitional arms export licensing criteria. That is the best way to arrangements in the past. The Commission, in its annual ensure that UK goods are not supplied in circumstances report on enlargement, acknowledged that these matters where there is a clear risk they might be used for did need to be considered and we would insist that these internal repression. Risks around human rights abuses changes be made before any new member state is admitted are a key part of our assessment. to full membership. Ann Clwyd (Cynon Valley) (Lab): I would very much Sheila Gilmore: Even if it would appear that arms like to see Turkey joining the EU, but the repression and will not be used internally, would it not be a real marker imprisonment of journalists and the clampdown on the of the Government’s commitment to human rights to press continues every day in Turkey. What representations use the restrictions on arms sales against countries that are we making to the Turkish Government? are treating their own subjects badly in terms of human rights? Mr Lidington: We regularly raise human rights concerns, including freedom of the media, with Turkish officials, and Ministers and will continue to do so. I believe that Mr Hammond: The purpose of the consolidated criteria the EU accession process provides the best mechanism is to ensure that arms are not exported into situations through which to press and encourage Turkey to move where those arms will make the situation worse. I believe further in the right direction. that the current regime is effective. The hon. Lady is suggesting something that goes far beyond that; a form Sir Richard Ottaway (Croydon South) (Con): On the of trade sanctions against countries based on their last point, is the Minister aware that Turkey has had human rights performance. She is singling out arms more cases referred to the European Court of Human exports, but she could equally argue for trade sanctions Rights than Putin’s Russia? Also, if Turkey wishes to be involving other forms of export. That would be a significant taken seriously, it must become a more reliable ally. Will further step and the Government have no plans to go he press Turkey to make its bases available to coalition down that route. But I recognise that what the hon. aircraft and to control its border with Syria much more Lady has suggested is a perfectly credible idea and tightly than it is at the moment? people may wish to consider it. 65 Oral Answers20 JANUARY 2015 Oral Answers 66 Alistair Burt (North East Bedfordshire) (Con): May I With regard to the wider points my right hon. Friend ask the Foreign Secretary to recommit the United Kingdom makes about Saudi Arabia, of course the Government to its commitment to making fully effective the arms deplore the use of corporal punishment in the kinds of trade treaty that we signed last year? Will he also ensure forms presented in Saudi Arabia. We have long understood that during discussions this year on the rules and procedures that the best way to make effective representations to to make the arms trade treaty effective, the engagement Saudi Arabia is through the many channels that we have of NGOs will be seen to be constructive and there will with them at all levels, and we are actively doing so at not be procedures that will enable some NGOs that the moment. oppose the spirit of the arms trade treaty to subvert it? Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North) (Lab): In that case, will the Foreign Secretary please explain to the House Mr Hammond: I am grateful to my right hon. Friend why Britain has routinely supplied arms—anti-personnel and I know this is an area in which he has taken a great equipment—to Bahrain that have been used to oppress interest and played a very important role over many and suppress demonstrations in Bahrain, and our reward years. The UK was instrumental in bringing about the is to provide yet more arms and a British military base arms trade treaty, and it is an extremely important step there? Should we not really engage with Bahrain on forward. My right hon. Friend is absolutely right to say solving the human rights issues and freeing the opposition that some NGOs do not accept the principle of the leader, rather than have this hands-off approach on arms trade treaty, but I agree with him: we must now arms sales? make this treaty, as it is now in force, effective, ensure that the key states sign up to it and then ratify their Mr Hammond: Let me make two responses to the engagement with the treaty, and make this work for the hon. Gentleman. First, is the straightforward response: benefit of the whole world. we apply the consolidated criteria to all arms exports, including arms exports to Bahrain, so we would not Robert Flello (Stoke-on-Trent South) (Lab): Perhaps license for export any equipment where there was evidence if the Secretary of State were tempted to have a meeting it was likely to be used for internal repression purposes. with the Business Secretary, they might also invite the But let me say something wider about the situation in Defence Secretary to join them. Despite the appalling Bahrain, because I have looked at the situation in human rights record of the Colombian Government, Bahrain quite carefully. It is clearly the case that Bahrain we seem very happy to sell weapons—and, indeed, is by no means perfect and that it has quite a long way provide military training—to them. Should the Foreign to go in delivering on its human rights commitments, Secretary not be sitting down and having a tripartite but it is a country that is travelling in the right direction. discussion with the other Secretaries of State about It is making significant reform. The Crown Prince, who that, looking into why we seem so happy to provide is charged with this agenda, is directly engaged and has support to a country that is quite happily terrorising its made significant progress even over the last few months. own people? We continually remind the Bahrainis of their commitments and how much further they have to go, but I think we Mr Hammond: As the hon.