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THE NATIONAL MUSEUM OF THE PACIFIC WAR Center for Pacific War Studies Fredericksburg, Texas An Interview with Ira R. Zautner Oregon, Ohio March 19, 2007 USS Wichita CA- 4 Radioman SOC Plane Escorted Convoys to Iceland Escorted PQ-17 to Murmansk Assigned to British Home Fleet Guadalcanal, Aleutians, Marianas, Okinawa Landed in Water to Rescue Downed Pilots My name is Richard Misenhimer and today is March 19, 2007. I am interviewing Mr. Ira R. Zautner by telephone. His address is 1441 North Curtice Road South, Oregon, Ohio 43618. His phone number is area code 419-836-9246. This interview is in support of the National Museum of Pacific War, Center for Pacific War Studies, for the preservation of historical information related to World War II. Mr. Misenhimer Mr. Zautner, I think you go by Izzy, I want to thank you for taking time to do this interview today and I want to thank you for your service to our country during World War II. Now the first thing I would like to do is to read to you this agreement with the National Museum of the Pacific War. When I do these in person I give it to the man to read and sign, but since this is by phone let me read this to you to make sure that it is okay. “Agreement Read.” Is that okay with you? Mr. Zautner It sounds good. Mr. Misenhimer The next thing I like to do is to get an alternate contact. We find that sometimes two or three years down the road we try to contact a veteran and he has moved or something has happened, so is there someone that we can get in contact with in case we can’t reach you at this number? Mr. Zautner Yes one of my sons. Would that be appropriate? Mr. Misenhimer That would be good. 1 Mr. Zautner He’s got the same name I do. His number is 419-836-2346. Mr. Misenhimer Does he live in the same town that you do? Mr. Zautrier He lives in the same phone area. He lives about six miles away from me. I live in the country. Mr. Misenhimer Now you mentioned that when you were on the Wichita you were known as Izzy. So I’ll use that name today, but you said that today people call you Ike, but it would be appropriate to go by Izzy for this. Mr. Zautner Yes. Mr. Misenhimer Let me start off here. What is your birth date? Mr. Zautner June 26, 1923. Mr. Misenhimer Where were you born? Mr. Zautner Toledo, Ohio. Mr. Misenhimer Did you have brothers and sisters? 2 Mr. Zautner Yes I did. Mr. Misenhimer How many brothers did you have? Mr. Zautner I had two brothers and two sisters; there were five of us kids all together. Mr. Misenhimer Were either of your brothers in World War II? Mr. Zautner Yes they were; both of them. Mr. Misenhimer Did they come home? Mr. Zautner Yes they did. Mr. Misenhimer Are they still living? Mr. Zautner Neither. I’m the surviving one. I have one sister living. Mr. Misenhimer Now your brothers, what branches were they in? Mr. Zautner My older brother Bob was in the Navy and my brother Richard was in the Army. He served in the Philippine Islands during World War II. Then Bob was in the Navy during 3 World War II. Mr. Misenhimer Was he in the Pacific or the Atlantic? Mr. Zautner Pacific. Mr. Misenhimer Was he on a particular ship? Mr. Zautner He was on an LSM. Mr. Misenhimer Yes, I’ve interviewed several people that were on LSM’s. Mr. Zautner I think it is smaller than an LST. Mr. Misenhimer Yes it was. So he was on an LSM, then? Mr. Zautner Yes. My brother started out on an old four-stacker destroyer, called the Humphries. Mr. Misenhimer That was a World War I destroyer wasn’t it? Mr. Zautner Yes. think I they had it probably before then but that’s right, it was mainly World War I. Mr. Misenhimer I know they made a number of them into APD’s which were transport type destroyers. 4 Mr. Zautner Yes and they used them for carrying the UDT’s (Underwater Demolition Teams) around. Mr. Misenhimer Where did you go to high school? Mr. Zautner In Toledo to Woodward High. Mr. Misenhimer What year did you finish there? Mr. Zautner I think I got thrown out of there about 1940. (laugh) I was 16. Mr. Misenhimer Did you graduate then? Mr. Zautner No, I did not. I came back and graduated after I got out of the service. I went back to high school. Mr. Misenhimer You grew up during the Depression, how did the Depression affect you and your family? Mr. Zautner Our family was all broken up. My sister lived with a party. The five of us were all separated. It was rather rough at times. Families doubled up and lived together. Different things like that. Mr. Misenhimer Did you live with a relative or who did you live with? 5 Mr. Zautner My mother died when I was two and my father lived with common-law wives off and on; about five of them you know. It kept the family apart and we didn’t gather up until about the 1930’s, maybe 1931 or 1932 until my oldest sister who was about 16 or 17 kind of split off. I guess I was the one that stuck pretty close to the house with my dad. The rest of my brothers were gone, my other two brothers were gone. Somebody took a fancy, a couple that couldn’t have kids, to my youngest sister. Her name was Ruth and they sort of took care of her. They were very nice people. Mr. Misenhimer What was your father’s occupation? Mr. Zautner He started out in Wisconsin as a butter maker and later on he came to Toledo and went to work for a couple of creameries in Toledo and then eventually wound up working for Sears and Roebuck Company as a repairman for washing machines and refrigerators and things like that; small appliances you might say. Mr. Misenhimer Did he start working for Sears during the Depression, before the Depression or when? Mr. Zautner He seemed to find jobs off and on through the Depression. He was talented in decorating cakes and ice cream and things like that. He knew the ice cream trade pretty well. Mr. Misenhimer When you left high school what did you do then? 6 Mr. Zautner I went on active duty. But before that I was working in a beverage plant off and on; selling newspapers downtown Toledo. Like you said, during the Depression in 1939 and 1940 I was selling newspapers in downtown Toledo on the corner to put a pair of shoes on and a pair of blue jeans on my fanny. Then I finally got a job in a beverage plant bottling pop. I worked there off and on through the summer months for three years. In 1940 I went on active duty in the Navy. Mr. Misenhimer What day did you join the Navy? Mr. Zautner It 1th looks like I joined on the 1 of December, 1939. I just happened to pull those papers out. I figured you would ask that question. Mr. Misenhimer Were you 17 or 18 at that point? Mr. Zautner I was 16 when Ijoined. Mr. Misenhimer Did somebody have to sign for you? Mr. Zautner Yes, my father did. Mr. Misenhimer But you had to be 17, right? 7 Mi. Zautner That’s correct. He said, “Do you know what you are doing?” I said, “Yes.” So he signed the papers. Mr. Misenhimer How did you choose the Navy? Mr. Zautner Because my older brother was in the Reserves and it sort of fascinated us. There were five of us young boys. Some of them were 15. 1 thought I was the youngest but I found out that they were about a year younger than I was. There are only two of us surviving. The other one is in bad shape with dementia, Alzheimers. He just barely recognizes me when I go to see him. Mr. Misenhimer That’s too bad. Mr. Zautner Yes it is. Mr. Misenhimer When you joined the Navy in 1939 where did you join at? Mr. Zautner Toledo, Ohio. Mr. Misenhimer Where did you go for boot camp Mr. Zautner Norfolk, Virginia. I went directly to radio school there. 8 Mr. Misenhimer You didn’t go through the boot camp problems, then? Mr. Zautner No I didn’t have to. When I joined at the Reserves they took me into the radio, I don’t know what you would call it, I’m going to say corps and we had meetings in communications mainly. Then when I went on active duty, I went right to radio school. Mr. Misenhimer When did you go on active duty? What date? Mr. Zautner 4th I reported on the of September, 1940. NOB, that’s Naval Operating Base in Norfolk, Virginia. Mr. Misenhimer How did you travel down there? Mr. Zautner By railroad. An old coal burner. Mr. Misenhimer How was that trip? Mr. Zautner It is pretty difficult to remember back that far. I didn’t seem to have any problems with it. Mr. Misenhimer Had you done much traveling before that or was this your first long trip? Mr. Zautner That was probably my first trip by railroad.