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An Interview with
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day?
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out
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night.
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night
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destroyers
called
33
two
was
telling
of
Chicago
in
Solomon
they
the
bottles
during
or
that
and
torpedoes
responsible
Iron
it
something
Atlantic
didn’t
off.
you
was
Nimitz
up
under
Bottom
that
of
Islands.
in
about
on
beer
have
period
on
the
and
the
tow.
for
didn’t
which
and
I
Sound?
that
front
Louisville,
he
to
believe
getting
The
from
that
worry
operated
was
care
I
and
Japanese
can’t
(Editor’s
was
January
it
the
on
nothing
too
about
was
he
about
the
remember
Chicago
his
plays
much
January
to
came
Admiral’s
task
note:
planes
it.
to
April?
euchre
cover
about
force
sunk
back
This
too
29, so
Probably Mr.
Mr.
What
Aleutian from
have happened.
bridge
there,
him around.” telling Japanese
stories.”
I
Mr. a him
Mr.
said, the
Go
picked
follow
ahead
Zautner
Misenhimer
rear
Zautner
Misenhimer
that
off.
there?
“Admiral
finished
all
he
on
me,
did up
up portion
Island
I I
ran
article
told
I
came
and
guess don’t
his
He
wondered
a
story
We
“I
you
around
soldier
me
tell
up
undoubtedly
hands
was
Giffen
campaign in
because
headed
know.
do
you
of
on
that
Guadalcanal
me
and
up the
and
him.
stationed
one
might
what
about
and
when
got
and
there?
I
task
for
maybe
I
could
night
on
hold
guess
knees.
he
was
the
that.
say
they
was
April
force.
used
down
and
when
Aleutian
of
be
bombarded
when
coming
he
got
involved
I
the
25,
wrong
to
the
So
pretty
thought,
into
I
in
Chicago.
tell
you
1943
go
it
Chicago
up
Islands.
Puerto
was
action
me
stationed
but
much
look
34
in
Kiska
here
until
“Here’s
a
I
enough
wide
lot
heard
Danny
back
Rico
liked
he
getting
We
now.
August
a
of
at
was
little open
arrived
that
war
one
that
Olathe
and
this
that
I
didn’t
crawling
torpedoed
said,
28,
bit
that
it
of stories.”
Admiral,
I
Admiral
he
was
and
there
1943.
used
the
Kansas
like
“What
night
could
mainly
probably
signalman
around
to
and
to
They
and
Star
telling and
hear
was
say
Air
drive
participated
where
I
must
that’s
Shell
under
that
Station.
something.
suppose,
his
unfair
this
this
one
name?”
when
have
did
Ike.
where
the
guy
night
that
Admiral
He
we
patrol
in
I
signal
taken
I
have
war
sent
this
was
We
the
the
He
go up
Yes
Mr.
By
Mr.
fleet
Mr.
Bombarded
Mr.
What
through
time you’re
Mr.
Yes.
were
Mr.
How Mr.
So Mr.
Pretty
duty 1
now
according
Zautner
that’s
Misenhimer
Zautner
Misenhimer
Zautner
Zautner
Misenhimer
Misenhimer
came
we
up
was
Then
The
all
rough.
up
you
the
were
in
did
it
correct.
Jpwiec
in
down,
the
after
to
and
eventual
were
you weather
just
to
When
go
Aleutians.
probably
this
do
to
the
in
from
cruising
held
protect
the
in
you
you’ve
occupation
like
Aleutian
the
the
air
some
were
that;
There
landed
Marshall
around
South
division,
the
got
at i5lands,
it’s
guys
Islands
was
ringworms
of
Guadalcanal
troops;
Pacific
not
pretty
the
Island
that
is
only
doing
that
They
Marshall
we
had
stuff
hard
up
about
campaign?
35
right?
came
to
and
held
too
already
on
like
on
Alaska?
18
much
heat
Islands,
you.
April
Attu
out
that.
days,
landed
rash
of
and
in-between.
7,
We
that
on
there
1943
Kiska
and
layed
in
the
was
the
then
and
and
February
at
pretty
off
atolls
the
then
on
next
in
time.
January quick.
case
down
by
thing
5,
April
1944.
the
there.
you
28,
Japanese
25 th
At
know
1944
that you
And
Yes.
Mr.
Mr. That’s
Mr. That
Mr.
Was
the
Mr. guns the
Your
Yes.
Mr. We flying
Mr. Mr. Mr.
They
What
Misenhimer radio.
Zautner
Misenhimer
Zautner probably
ship’s
Misenhimer
Zautner Zautner
Misenhimer Misenhimer
it
this
was
You
that
job
did
were
has
over
a
bi-plane
the
an
was
were
fly
would
two
I
guns.
you
to
was
SOC,
OS-2?
us
were
observer
spot
cockpits
tied
doing
a
the
observe
is
Something
lot
a
doing
the
together
it?
What
Curtis.
one
of
now?
ship’s
in
and
times.
a
that along
the
plane
lot
you
in
like
plane,
target.
would
of
the
It
with
was
were
flying
all
that
back.
is
this?
depended
the
Mainly
send
in
that
hardly
but
the
pilot.
the
right?
36
mainly
rear
if
required,
I
telegraph
we
on
was
cockpit
what
did
anti-submarine
classified
fly
with
the
with
back.
and
target
the
your
I
as
I
can’t
had
a
flat
was
patrol.
guns.
radio
a
tell
terrain,
in
couple
Is
gunner.
you
order
that
just
an
of
right?
to
I
observer
machine
exactly.
spot
worked for
I
Mr.
Did
Mr.
off
Not
some but
Mr.
Mr.
Not
Did
night
Mr. techniques
Did
Mr.
Mr.
Not Mr.
Mr.
That’s
Did
did,
of
there
Zautner
you
Misenhimer
Zautner
really.
you Misenhimer
Zautner
you Misenhimer
Zautner
you Misenhimer
Zautner
really
at
yes.
of
that
or
right.
have
all.
through
these
have
have
have
was
and
In
We
and
other
I
the
I
to
nobody
a
other
any
let went
battles,
flew
a
going
special
do
the
first
couple
me
than
kind
any
backwards
duties
right
day
get
and
out
specifically
the
maintaining
battle
of
of
of
and
a
flying
that?
second
special
guy
out
on
whack
20mm
so
station
the
could
of
most
forth
on
ship
training
at
Battle
the
guns
assigned
gunnery
my
it.”
of
other
trade
when
besides
radio
the
on
radio
of
to
than
off
times.
the
37
we
the
to
mns;
gang
do
flying
and
it. gear
fantail
weren’t
on
Philippine
that?
In
learning
the
into
get
and
other
on
there
plane?
a
flying.
this
aviation
few
standing
words,
as
Seas,
and
plane?
shots
we
we
where
went
and
when
watches
in.
manned
started
along.
He’d
there
we
would
aboard
say,
them
was
learning
“Hey
at
a
get
ship
lot
times
into
get
of
the at
hit.” naturally
the
were
“Use
you distance
started
trying
“Do
fighter
Then
looking Caroline Right. Mr. That Mr.
At Mr. Did Mr.
air
activity.
least
fighter
Zautner
Misenhimer
Misenhimer Zautner
you
couldn’t
I
you
was
ready
blinker.”
after
to
had
Saipan
turning
pilot.
for
he
like
I
I’m
signal.
Islands
have
at
got
to
to
planes
was
we
We
Saipan,
the
it
flying
That
see
go
was
kind
over
better
So
shot
their
left
got
trying
shot
We
back
on
it
they
where
was
to
that
of
a
backwards
the
wasn’t
down
at
deck
couldn’t
April
being
down
few
go
and
swing
semaphore
that
put
part
Marshall claustrophobia.
the
rounds
back
gun
fighter
our
there
1,
it?
a
fighter
distance.
of
first
blinker
my
find
1944.
The
navigation
on
and
our
and
than
off.
Battle
neck
pilot
Islands
us
back
this
Battle
the
pilot.
missions;
we
Palau
on
so
I
in
So
can’t
pilot
guy
around
aboard?”
to
of
I
we
the
were and
of
when
There
was
equipment
we
me,
Philippine
was
38
so
pulled
radio
Philippine
say
said,
they
to
went
flying
out
which I
to
where
we
that
was
signaled
rescue
He
“Look
room?
said
look
where
back
moved
down
we
wasn’t a
came
right
I
Sea
that
we
rescue
didn’t
Sea?
if
and
ever
at
out.
the
I
came
we
and
went
that
they
could
back
underneath
in
I
too
hit
sub
Finally
know,
could.
said,
sub
to
hit
plane
in.
had
anything
hot
into
in
with
see
get
in
Palau
“How
semaphore
so
the
I
We
I
right
rescue
what
the
a
was
a
signaled
we
these
little
fighter
blinker
went
though.
and
area
joined
required
can
above
was
a
closer,
TBF’s
Yap
and in
you shot
but
pilot.
going
and
and
me.
this
up
I
to
in
tell?”
at
down
said,
with
said,
they
kept
and
It’s
We
day
but
the
the on. Because at that angle he looked okay. He said, “Watch his prop.” finally his prop quit. So
we followed that plane down and he made a dead stick landing on the water and he had
himself and two other guys on the plane that we picked up. I came back with the pilot on
my lap. The other plane picked up the other two guys. They actually made a landing right
alongside the TBF when it was dead sticking in the water. I had pictures of it and I could
see these guys popping out of the plane like popcorn that day. The rescue sub was
probably three or four or five miles in distance from it at the time. We just happened to
be there at the time this guy cut out of his formation going back to the carrier and rescued
these guys. I found them and I talk to this guy now and then.
Mi. Misenhimer
What is his name?
Mr. Zautner
McLellan. It looks like the area code is 479-646-4245. His first name was Warren. He
was on the Lexington undoubtedly. So we brought him back. I’ve got some pictures of
that. The funny part about that was when I found him later, he was flying for an airline
for about 7 2V years out of Toledo and I didn’t know it and he didn’t know it and we
could’ve had some reunions together.
Mr. Misenhimer
He’s still living you say?
Mr. Zautner
I believe so. I don’t think it’s been too long ago since I contacted him. He flew a TBF and was in on the attack at Palau.
39
ship
They
Mr.
None
When Mr.
Mr.
How
Mr.
That
Mr.
Mr.
that
Let
on
Mr.
That Mr.
So Mr.
That’s
That’s
Mr.
we
Truk.
Zautner
me
Misenhimer
Zautner
Misenhimer
Zautner
Misenhimer
was was Zautner
Misenhimer
Zautner
Misenhimer
is
was
would
was
that
you
were
the
where
correct.
back
the
going.
it
the
They
day.
got
group
to
off
recover
Pearl
up.
island
they
back
land
Thiiigs
happened
of
I
When
of
don’t
Harbor
made
Peleliu
there
to
of
islands
us
your
were
Peleliu
you
with
know
the
and
reverse
on
when
cruiser,
rescued
and
rather
big
take
a
the
in
if
method
Peleliu
landing
we
the
you’re
there.
off?
16 th
calm
how
this
picked
Palau’s.
and
Any
was
enough
they
pilot,
did
where
familiar
40
17 th
problems?
him
you
the
had
you
there
of
to
island
up.
get
where
with
make
landed
February,
We
back
was
where
it
participated
the
they
on
such
on
or
landing
the
the
seen
they
1944.
could
fierce
ship?
water
actually
any
Naturally
and
recover
on
fighting.
there,
of
a
take
couple
the
landed.
right?
us
off.
procedures.
they
while
of
told
attacks
the us
put
you
either
bottom. would
the They
catapult.
open
They
us being
was middle
15 that that
could
in
create afloat.
They
this
right
us
feet
eye.
down
engine
hung
sort
up
would
would
one.
back
pulled
pull
catch
pick
a
slick
When
finger
off
Then
Then
up
a
nice
They
of
below
little
out
If
a
on
you behind
of
up
tilted
the and
drop
have
net
they
the
big
they
you
they
the
and
either
to
that
would
compartment
up
ship
as
deck.
same from
slick.
catch
this
put
catapults.
a
were
back
would
bend
would
and
the
close
if
line
because
side
you
hook
have
you
behind
ship
speed
In
the
up
It
ready
and
off
it
to
bring
was
throw
these
on of
and
back,
net
got
the
down
a
and
of
he
the
on
as
the
line
you
to
a
the
would
one
get
into
you
net
would
events
little
then
the
the
a
just
make
elevator ship,
off
that
couple
had
on
ship.
of
as
aboard
ship.
that
upper
hold
swing
bit
of
that
drop
you
the
would to
leave
to
the
we
the
It
rough
net,
Then
get
catapults.
of
pull
they
net.
could
your
wing
would
41
has
off.
landing,
and
us
fantail
wing
up
flying
it
pull
On
that
in
would
It
a
behind
he
hand
set
would
and
on
get.
big
would
toward
generally
the
lines
would
you
of
you
thing
the
They
the
speed
get
You
piece
out
bottom
the
fold
the
hook
out
engine
out
on
ship
this
slide
the
and
and
cut
would would
ship
to
up ship.
the
of
of
to
come
eye
center
would
onto
take
his
of
off
then
your
it
center.
keep
cork
catapult
and
when
looked
the
You
out
taxi
put
engine.
of
off.
aboard
that
they
wings
I
of
turn
it
this
in
float
that
that
would
up
he
would
I
from
the
The
the
net.
or
would
sort
onto
would
little knew
was
into
line
They
there
and and
on ship
front
pilot
twirling.
hook
Just
time
of
the
on
the
that
maybe
hook
maybe
they
get
that
at
was
would
like
swing
the
has
to
take
elevator;
wind
the
it
that
net.
out
would
he
on to
a
keep
that.
cable.
to
They
10
time.
thing
take
your
into
You
pull
land
that
and
was
the
and
rev
or
It it
and
the
flying
we
another
don’t
but
Coast
first
Mr.
Yes.
Were
Mr.
Mr.
Right. Mr.
think
Mr.
Of
somewhere.
We Mr.
How
shot
first
course
I
ready
Zautner
Misenhimer
Zautner
Miserthimer
Zautner
Misenhimer
could
Battle
We
don’t many
remember
towards
there
into
at
raid
or
at
Hollandia,
picked
every
to
or
Truk
second
carry
of
other
planes
remember
on
We
whatever.
execute
the
the
Truk
time
and
seeing
up
lost
times
four
end
Philippine
battle
did
Waedke
one
on
pick
one
you
the
I
the
but
too
when
think
any
Some
the
there
of
at
went
up
catapult
Wichita
there
much
the
29 th
action.
the
and
you
Sea
a
we
at
of
pilot
out
pilots
Aleutian
of
New
Truk.
had were
that
about landed
on
have
April
you
launch
There
that
the
three.
stuff
whose
Guinea
times
We
had
on
that.
to
to
was Islands.
19 th
could
gets
42
when
were
it?
the
pick
to
name
when
We
later
shot
by
land
Ut
pretty
have
up
on
U.S.
The
the
did
of
on
down
was
on
anyone
our
we
May,
ship
been
vague.
in
landings
SOC’s
the
Forces
had
catapult
Turner.
this.
in
water
changed
1944.
like
some
there.
less.
Then
were
on
We
on
in
when
He
and
the
There
planes
We
We
landed
the
Northern
we
getting
was
position.
we
26 th
open
you
were
went
might
we
were
that
shot
of
on
came
a
were
sea
April,
all
back
little
New
New
came
lose
down
ready
I
revved
like
think
back?
on
and
scarce.
Guinea
Guinea
a
1944.
in
that?
either
to
in
plane
that
had
the
the
up
go
I I
They Arizona
flying
command
kept name
that
survivors.
from the
bombardment
first around
Truk
Islands too cancelled
been When
Caroline Intrepid
downtown.
guys
19 th
so
was
battle
calling.
Denver.
my
hanging
called
was
raid
I
had
I
there.
from
got
this
and
as
would
mission.”
left,
Islands
our
so
Marleno.
As
of
there.
maybe
back
I
I
it
guy
several
they
the
We
the
remember
saw
I’ll
He
flight.
looking
I
on
wasn’t
and
remember,
have
was
home
Philippine
have
got
Then
went the
called
on
5’’
that
Queen
I
occupation
We
times
might
Some
of
shot flying
up
wings
been
the
for
to
they
on
by,
we
June
us haven’t
to took
look
30 th
down.
leave,
anybody
and
and
King
other
me involved
the
I
not
participated
off
Seas.
had
or
until
thought
a
that
answer.
of
Jack
senior have something
of
finally
torpedo
of
been
they
Arizona.
this
plane
This
So
the the
April,
up.
Saipan
that
come
in
if
we
guy’s
used
I
able
Enterprise
pilot
aviator
I’m
I
The got
was
we
that
was
in
and
were
grabbed
1944.
These
of
like to
43
to
out
trying
it.
picture
Island
pilot
and
had
the
flying
rescue
July,
we
put
shot
find
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was
flying
of
that.
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bombardment
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were
four
was
were
these
was with
to
there
my
him.
down;
1944.
and
with
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coming
there
think
I
over
supposed
took
flying
planes.
our
mike
VF-1O. said
we
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little
too,
Tinian
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a
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too
anybody
all
code
of
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torpedo
it.
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out
you
pictures
me
on
out.
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but There
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myself,
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of
names.
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Island
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of
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being
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date.
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and
and
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name
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debris
intercom
pilot,
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we
participated
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and
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calling
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after
should
Jack
materialize.
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a
radio
this
it.
everything
second
heated
ended
couple
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windows
that
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rescue;
the
or
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Turner
pilot’s
of
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in
calls.
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have
they
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was
July
they
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in of
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found That take
conversation and
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scale
noticed
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flew
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I
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know
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can
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got
and
point
were
down
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pilot
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at
day.
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and
sit
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leading
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his
enough
this
there
said,
long
your
where
on
to
this
you.
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to
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can
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very
miles
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responded
down
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of
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for
you
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raft got
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on
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one
from
back Arizona,
going
picked
was
is
that?”
and
on
might
me.
shot
a
I
not
and
remember was
way.
little
asked
the
table
there get
our
you.
and
to
to
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going
down
wait
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up
got
see,
wing
on
me,
him
be
one senior
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send
told
and
you Will
and
said,
several.”
said,
this
out
a
for
we
and
to
back
flying
call
man
tip
44
picking them
he
why
he
your
here”
are
you hear
the
little
aviator,
“No,
“Standby.”
saw
these
float
had
about
said,
in
life
we
fleet
you
an
take?”
that
message.”
this.
I
the
one
so three
they’re
been
said,
and
up raft,
F6F
going
things
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didn’t
he 50
to
Jimmy
we
backseat.
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a man
help
get
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was
years
in we
F6F’s
on
shot
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were
to
not
stick
the
is
here.
drink
this
you
life knew
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saving
checked
the
do?”
Alcot.
on
down
abbreviated
later.
calling
Battle
going
diving
He
thing
raft.
you
in
guy
on
anti-submarine
They’re
your
where
I
said,
your
came
it.
said,
fighter I
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the
the
I
get
to
was of
the
me.”
for
He
one
had
one
he
take “We
mind,
the
Wichita?”
one
we
out
“We’re
back
coming
about
fuel
said
sitting
stuff.
gets
can
to right
I
pilot?”
Philippines.
were
said,
of
it.
that
have
get
and
at
he
on
of
on
24
this When
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patrol
after
the
out
going
right
out
said,
my
water.”
when
at “You’d
cut
said
the
hours, I
I
a
thing
then.
time said,
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shot
lap.
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the
we
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on
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to to
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he up
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planes
up deceased
wife’s another Jack Mr. took conversation
Mr. want coming Magazine Omaha.”
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the
came
and
when
Zautner Misenhimer
natives
he
of
a
I.
to
reunion.
you
in.
picture
down
up
name
couldn’t
Turner but
riding
guy
up
get
aboard
but
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they
We
postings.
on
give
to I
had
one
that
mentioned
didn’t
I
the
on
a
sent
is
and
talk
your
shotgun.
I
were
303-756-4189.
me
our
little
talked
this
remember
more
was
the
Ruth.
beach
one
to
his
he’s
know
ship.
reunion
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guy.
trying phone
island
his shot
picture
to
phone
with
waving
He
Mike
the
lived
about
wife.
Somewhere
Jack
They
the
down
but
to
date
an
that
flew
he
in
guy
number?
in
Spinelli
of
Turner.
twice
I
empty soften
as
were
said,
Omaha.”
3532
at
was
I
because
in
Denver
me
at
time
off
can’t
us.
the
the
involved
as
friendly sitting
“I
along
S.
seat
up
Mike
the
I
flew
went
Philippine
talk
time;
big.
understand
think
Endora
but
he
I
Mindanao
and
HOrnet’.
45
said,
the
the
on
picked to
was
They
on
the
to
where
in
of
him
me
line, your
things
other
us.
two
“Oh, reading
Way,
the
year
took
Raids.
for
quite
this
His
I
that
I
he
lap.”
at
planes
name
can
don’t
plane
communication
before
what’s
started
a
the Denver,
lived.
guy
number
you
frequently.
in
picture
His
remember
(laugh)
the
know
time.
of
that
and
up
are
this
name
He
coming
the
it
American
and
Colorado
were
he right of
said,
having
is
He
if
I
occasion?” reunion
him
have
he
is
landed
brought
seeing 434-634-2677.
got
back
sent
reasons
now.
T.
“My
was
sitting
that
your
Cato
Legion
shot
we
80237.
in
transferred
to
them
on
wife
We
him
to
picture.
He
him.
and
had
reunion
Tillar.
the
down
on
pick
sent
and
or
running
out
said,
my
maybe
Here’s
water.
one
In
VFW
He’s
I
two him
and
and
His
We
our
lap
are
to
in in “I a higher Admiral, or if we had the flag at the time or not, but in the interrogation they
found out that there wasn’t too many Japs on Mindanao. They were going to make the
landing there so they stopped that and went up to Leyte. They wrote a story on him and
how he hastened the war by two months from the intelligence that he brought back. Now
his wife, I haven’t talked to her in about a year, but I used to call her up just to try and
stay in touch a little. That kind of ended that. That was about the last one that we picked
up; that we had anything to do with. I have an article that says I was involved in picking
up or rescuing five that were shot down. Altogether we went in and got five that I was
involved in. Now we are at Saipan. Then we went down and participated in the th 11 occupation of Guam from the 16 of June 1944 until the th of August, 1944. We did a
lot of bombardment there. These are the islands like Saipan, Guam and Tinian where we
did a lot of flying to spot for the ship’s guns because the terrain was out of the range
finders view. So we would fly over the target and spot them in. People have wondered
how you would do that. What they would do is we had broken radio silence by that time
because they didn’t care if the Japs heard us or not. They were on the run pretty much.
What they would do is the minute the ship would fire their guns they would holler,
“Salvo”and we would hear it on the radio and they knew the trajectory and timing of the
shell, when it was going to explode. So when it was going to explode they would holler,
“Splash.” When they did that, if there were a couple of ships firing in the same area, you
would look for when that splash came, to see where your shells were falling. Then you
would direct them up and down and right or left by so many feet or yards. We did a lot of bombarding on Saipan and Tinian. The first day we went in, we laid off of Tinian and
Saipan. I could look over the straits there and watch them bombarding Saipan and see the
46 spotting planes flying around up there. There was a little flash around them from the explosions. I don’t know if they knocked any of the planes down. They were rather slow
flying. We were supposed to trade duties and the next day we were supposed to be down there bombarding. They never even fired a shot at us at Tinian. I said to myself, “Boy tomorrow I’m going to be down there in that damn mess.” The next day we pulled duty
down there to bombard on Saipan and they never fired a shot at us. (laugh) I was lucky
all the way. I guess over Tinian, they went down there the next day to lay off of Tinian in
case they opened up and they had their spots lined up. I think they got shot at down there
the next day. So we wound that up pretty much. I had a little experience there. The
experience was after the fighting subsided there, an LCVP came out towards the ship we
were anchored off and they had the gangway down. I saw that they had the coxswain on
the boat and one guy in fatigues coming out. They were heading for the Wichita. I figured
and I don’t know why no one else thought of this but I figured if this guy comes aboard
he’s going to want to know if I know somebody or want to know his way around or
something. So they pulled up and he came up the gangway and asked permission to come
aboard ship. He was a Marine in fatigues. The Officer of the Deck granted him
permission to come aboard. He stood there on the quarterdeck and I was just standing off
a little bit watching and I walked over to him and I saw that he had stencils of Sergeant
on his fatigues so I said, “Can I help you Sarge?” He said, “Yes.” I said, “What do you
want?” He said, “I want a cold drink of water. We’ve been drinking out of those 50
gallon barrels over there and it tastes like oil.” So I took him down to one of our scuttles
and he got a drink. I said, “What else?” He said, “I would like to have a shave and a haircut and take a shower.” So I gave him my towel and he showered. Then I took him
47
think
haircut.
I that down
trinkets
said,
but walking
You footlocker.”
guy’s too.”
happen “If was USO inches
uniform Sergeant
said,
“Look,
“Where
guess
you’d
what
when
trying
took
“Well
So
we
“I’m
bars
to
face.
taller
so.
I’m
You
to
that
the
all
the
on
I
Evans.
had
Battalion
been
him
know
saw
he
and
I’m
He
to
coming
not
he
have
and
barbershop
street
lent he
He
than
came
Swiss
aggravate
down
looked
happened
about he
this
around
trying
called
was
was
a
I
him
you
said,
never
Sergeant
me one
are
big
aboard
back
steak
to
with
the
a
with
to
at
been?”
souvenirs
so and
towel. you
night
2
one
“Boy,
to
me give
a
forgot
only
to
on
much
tomorrow
that
a
get
fight.
the
your probably
in?”
named
come
of
and
civilian,
his
down
you
The
one
I
a
you’ve
the day
2 nd
that.
said,
you
shave
almost
shoulders
He
ship
I
that
a
aboard
that
whole
said,
scuttles
Marines,
Evans
and
in
hard
would
said,
After
which
outweighed
and
“Probably
you
he
really
Kansas
and
he
I
sobered
“Yes
time.
thing.
carried
took
my
saw
“I’m
did
treated I’ll
a
and
48
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and
know
wasn’t
haircut.
been
got
2”
ship
you?”
I
aboard City
I
him
bring
I
gave
in
Took
‘ye
know
up.
said,
anywhere
shore
Division,
with
what
me
around
him
the
in
to
and
uncommon
He been
Boy Mess
him
Saipan.”
you
him
there.”
by
“What
you
2””
the
him
so
duty
said,
ouffit,
this
I’m
around
a
100
haven’t
Battalion.”
good?
to chow
a
call
are
you’ve
and
2”
drink
in
“How
big
the
Japanese
He
outfit
telling
in
what
pounds.
He
went
Olathe,
Battalion.
during
he
line.
chow
Marine,
said,
the
He
a
of
said,
you
did
been, gave
few
are
outfit
about
water
2””
you
told
He
I
“He
line.”
Salty?”
the
you
pistol
Kansas
He
you
said,
“Are
places.”
Marine
them
the
had
he
I’ve
me
I’m
His
that
and
war.
was
know
had
in?”
I
was
“You
look
you
everything.
a
out
said,
in.”
been
to
name
time
I
got
I
supposed
few
Division,
his
I
think
He
He
was
about
the him?”
me.
had
on
of
I
didn’t
him
“Yes,
dress
and
there
little
said,
said,
said,
was
that
guy
out
my
my
He
he
4
a
I I to come back the next day and bring you a pistol out of his footlocker, right?” I said,
“That’s right.” He said, “Do you know why he never came back?” I said, “I have no
idea.” He said, “We picked up anchor about 1300 or 1400 and left”.” He said, “They sent
him over on a recon the next day to Tinian and he got pinned down on a machine gun and
took a bullet right between the eyes.” Imagine running into that a year later. A Marine
picking you out in Kansas City to find that out. I wrote that story up and took it down to;
I used to work for a TV station. My grammar and punctuation wasn’t all that good so I
took it down to one of the girls in then news department to write that story up that I just
told you. I sent it to the Navy Memorial in Washington, D.C. along with my things down
there. I couldn’t believe that just like that story I told you about that guy I ran into in
New York City. How many guys would something like that happen to. You just
sometimes can’t believe it.
Mr. Misenhimer
Let me ask you. You said that he gave you some trinkets. What did he give you?
Mr. Zautner
He gave me a little wooden dogtag and some papers that had Japanese written on them.
My wife is Japanese but I never asked her to interpret it. She said that it’s hardly
anything. But maybe this Marine didn’t understand and he thought it was something that
was worthwhile. He gave me a couple little wooden dogtags. The gun was the main thing
because we couldn’t get ashore to get anything. That was about it there.
Mr. Misenhimer
Okay, go ahead then.
49 Mr. Zautner
We passed by the little island of Rota between Guam and Tinian. We threw a few shells onto the island but it didn’t amount to much. Then it says, “Participated in assault of
Palau U.S. Naval forces on the 6th and 7d of September, 1944.” Then it says,
“Participated in the assault of Mindanao, Savu, Negroes, Leyte and Makin Islands and the general Philippine Islands. Then the Celebes by U.S. Naval carrier forces on the th10 and of September, 1944” That might be in the period when that guy was in there on these raids and got shot down. We went in and picked up T. Cato Tillar off that little island. On September 21Stand rd23 1944 we repulsed attacks of Japanese aircraft on the
22nid of September, 1944. Things were a little hot and heavy out there at the time. You never knew when you were going to go to your battle station or when these Japanese planes were coming in or something like that. Then participated in the assault on
Okinawa island in the Ryukus Islands by U. S. Naval forces on the th10 of October, 1944.
They sent a carrier group up there and made an assault on them way before they even landed in 1945. Then participated in the assault on Formosa by U.S. Naval forces on the th12 and th13 of October, 1944. Participated in the Battle of the Philippine Sea second battle from the 23’”to the th25 of October, 1944. Then participated in the sea and air battle at Mindanao on the 3Ut of October, 1944. That was just about the end of my experiences aboard ship there.
Mr. Misenhimer
Let’s back up. This October rd23 to 25th; that was the Battle of Leyte Gulf.
Mr. Zautner
Yes probably so. We were off with Halsey’s task force chasing that decoy. We were
50 mixed up in that. Although we did finish a carrier off that night that was stopped dead in the water and we also sank a destroyer. We had a running gun battle that night with a destroyer out there. I would have to look through my other stuff to find out what the nanie of the carrier was. I think it was Chiyoda, the carrier. The destroyer starts with an, the Hatsuzuki. I’ve got that somewhere around the house. We did have a little running CoL;b Sc. gun battle with them. She was throwing a lot of shells out that night and we “ them as
they went by. You couldn’t see them coming by but when they go past the end is red hot.
Fortunately they were going over us a little bit. She threw out a lot of lead that night. Not
many guys can say they were in any naval engagements where you got the gun.
Nowadays all missiles fire at 100 to 200 miles away. That one over in Casablanca and
getting those three French ships and especially sinking the French cruiser, the
Primauguet. I never cared much for the French so I was rather proud of that. What else
now?
Mr. Misenhimer
Was the Wichita involved in Iwo Jima or Okinawa?
Mr. Zautner
Yes. It landed the troops at Okinawa and was there for quite some time. I was off of it by
that time so I can’t give you too much. I think they had a pretty hard time there.
Mr. Misenhimer
When did you get off of the Wichita?
Mr. Zautner
I think it was in January, 1945 when we came back and went into the Navy Yard.
51
too.
jump
three. back
that
through
trouble,
off couple think
They
up
tend
another
that at anchor
Scotland on Mr.
Mr.
Yes.
The
120
speed
the
of
I
screw.
Zautner
Misenhimer
ship
10,000
the
to
don’t
and
When
must
I
we
Formosa
port
knots.
think
of
and
the
the
bouncing
this
anti-submarine
came
put when it
we
times
want
have
As
created
side.
the
shaft
States.
ton
yoke
we
we
thought
the
We
you
back
winds
we
or
cruiser.
because
had
were
to made
They
broke
ship
were
and
off
somewhere
were
lie
were
We
quite
to
four
maybe
of
to
were
up
in
finally
some
screwed
the
dragging
on
went
net
We
us.
dragging
you. they
dry
operating
a
on
in
it.
U.S.
vibration.
to
I
When
that
were
kind Iceland
we
dock
I
think
that
back
couldn’t
the
was
out
up
were
thing
anchor
of
harbor
shaft
water
at
they
one
up
looking
around
with
with
in
an
close-in
we
Our
hit that
there.
if
seem
of
dragged
dropped
examination.
that
and
the
three
I’m
got
where
by
the
first
area
52
130
over
British
a
to
we
Apparently
screw
not
into
quarters
screws.
torpedo.
episode
screws.
correct
miles
when
we
bottom
couldn’t
the
off.
mistaken.
a
were
wants
Home
side.
terrible
That
That
an
After
the
all
was
We
that.
That
up
they
at.
hour.
put
I
day
ship
to
was
brought
could
Fleet.
there
had
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up
a
So
I
one
storm
revolve.
to
while
didn’t
long.
remember,
in
have
I
the
sort
we
four
sea
think
screw they
look
Rusyth
We
had
end
us
up
Having
of
when
because
to
do
but
I
screwed
went
back
down
they
made
check
there.
that
to
of could
too
Navy
went
I
beach
you
it.
think
recorded
to
in
was
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much
there
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That
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that
see
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lunge
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ship
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it
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with
sent
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ship;
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see
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in
at
a
a I
When
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Kansas
bunch
some
tower
taking
what
you
across
time. the I Mr.
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school Mr.
Which DC-3’s
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selected
went
words
radio
Misenhimer
Zautner
Misenhimer
get
we
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of
were
was
that
you
the
of
his
wasn’t there.
City
and there
down
four
the
a
called
gear
Olathe,
guys,
country
minute.
old
got
an
could
flights
you
DC-6’s.
duty
was
hours
for
old
I
to
they
off
Chief
too
was
finally
CW
most
a
about
the
that
send
Chief
what
Kansas
to
tremendous
and
bad.
had
I
in
I
training
had
which
like
naval
get
had
I
a
of
and back
discharged?
a
had
aboard
did
month,
over
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month.
to
his
to
them.
to
which
receive
you
there;
air
is
take
to
code
bring
there;
flight
pilots
had
the
liberty
them
get
you
station
do
That
From
was
them
and
training
code.
his their
a
thenl
it.
pay.
I
got
in
tower
and
guess
about
town.
he
was
four
So
there
communication
aboard
at
50%
code
The
(laugh)
how
was
he
Oakland,
pilots
just
hours
up
53
I
40
I
was
would
flight
speeds
wireless
getting
had
to
there
the
miles
about
operate
and
Which
in.
the
a
plane
pay.
choice
get
California
where
up.
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out
stuff
only
what
the
code.
for
me
He
They
to
it
was
of
that
like
and
end
we
of
he
they
make
the
would
Kansas
up
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a
duty,
had
was
called
knew
that. what
in
for
gear
of
change
could
wanted
sure
the
to
fly
my
flying
further
City.
where
They
they
aboard
the
know
flight
tower
one
they
work
experiences
for
code
somebody
I
he
could
were
of
I
got
transfer.
the
skins understood
me.
wanted
when
liked
these
these
these
there
into
code
do
all
That
which
to
he
with
planes,
DC-3’s planes.
a
a
at
in
there.
to
I
about
work
good
radio
was was
that
laid
the
go.
all
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him
then
called
our
aboard.
thrown
United
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inches
I’m
Mr. Are
Mr.
Mr. damaged? Navy.
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Transportation Mr.
Mr.
Armory
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was
ship talking
Zautner
pretty
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Misenhimer
Zautner
he
got
it.
discharged
Alameda,
in
back
States
action.
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wrote
talking
in
Through
and
some
Radioman
diameter.
well
Toledo
about
kind
at
served
of
a
Squadron
I
other
us.
and
about
couple
of
remember
enemy
America
I
this
to
toward
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suspected
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Danny
On
some
be
questions
the
Danny
the
discharged
the
of
action.
there
Class
on
storm
the
way,
time
1918.”
books
still
in
butt
the
Jones
that
end
Casablanca
on
in
where
here
on
gets
3
up
of
Toledo,
which
he
It
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of
and
of
there.
that
in
that
down was
for
might
March,
it
1945.
the
31St
that
I
screwed
you.
shell,
I
told
old
Nobody
Ohio.
North
54
have
getting
of
into
was
be
It
World
you
1945.
Januaiy,
How
was
some
we
New
about
I
one
up
Atlantic,
lied
about,
seemed
hit
retrieved
the
October
many
Then
kind
War
of
York
about
it.
by
screw?
1945
them.
from
a
from
of
I
Doug
times
to
City
shell
my
ammunition
that,
an
9,
and
know
Watertown;
I’ve
there
age
intelligence
1945.
and
Fairbanks
was
that
then
it
when
forgotten
what
said,
Boston
I
your
was
went
Discharged
I
that
transferred
I
he
“Made
about
Danny
went
came
ship
to
officer.
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was
was
what
the
actually
into
aboard
7
at
in
doing
knew
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being
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they
or
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his
the
Air
the
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know
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would
think
off
Okinawa
grace
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Misenhimer
Zautner
Misenhimer
Zautner
Misenhimer
and
your
must
that.
until
many
there
exactly.
I
how
he
of
in
several
was
say
he
on
did.
ship
letters
that
have it
total
many
were
gave
that
where
about
sank.
on
I
He
ever
first
fired
gotten
have
there,
Japanese
ships
other
from
me
planes
put
four
they
hit
battle
at
Douglas
a
something
did
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another
times
him.
us.
when
picture any
shot
can’t
did
you
aircraft
off
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other
I
you
that
a
I
asked
really
of
all
were
was
Fairbanks’
one
right
lot
all
time
Guadalcanal
like,
we
sink?
carrier
down.
off
on
shoot
lucky,
him
up
say.
were.
other
it;
of
“To
here
that
if
three
I
Okinawa
It
down?
address.
would
I’ll
55
a
We
he
than
looks
and
former
was
tell
would
we
French
had
that
I
imagine
floating
like
you, were
guess
after
I
a
shipmate
wrote
one
lot
endorse
and
seven
very,
hit
I
overall
fired
was time
dead
one
three
Douglas
by
very
planes
off
his
at
from
at
a
Japanese.
on
a
or
us.
dud
Casablanca?
there.
book
lucky.
lot
the
four
Douglas
I
Fairbanks
and
torpedo
know
of
water.
if
probably.
them
four
We
I
sent
at
Fairbanks.”
put
We
that
ships
were
Casablanca
and
it
the
finished
night.
I
to
I
sunk. taken
don’t
coup
got
him,
a
I I
get
That’s
Mr.
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could would
Mr. Mr.
I that tremendous
about
down
certain ship
we a was
back Yes.
started
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tell
certain
home
could
Misenhimer
Zautner
Misenhimer
day.
that
really
said
They
up
would
everybody,
be
can’t
400-something
and
right
get
again.
altitude
and
going
was
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at
with
level,
see
they were
on
something
the
imagine.
be
and
vertical
the
behind
It
this
the
any
was
on
night
Battle
they
was
follow
would
minute
coming
for
when
360
plane.
tail
souvenirs?
the
very
every would
drive
us
engagements
You’re
planes
of
to
degrees
of
very
these
skim
they
and
he
in
Philippine
The
see
strange one
tracer as
pretty
hit
create
maybe
end
watch
all
down.
over
dogfights.
watching
this
vapor
of
around that
of
of
these
you
to
close.
vapor
vapor
the
too.
same
these
that
right
Sea
the
see
There
trail
see
you.”
water
Japanese
You
that
you
turkey
that.
stuff.
That
I
trails.
trail
behind
level
quit;
movies
there
remember
was
56
shot
They
would
movie
We
and
was
was
Then
the
where
shoot
You’ve
a
are
us
at
saw
planes
they
lot
they
don’t very
showing
guy
some
see
there
with
four
in
going
where
one
it
a
think
these
did
would strange
a
lot
seen
had
realize
non-tracers
and
lot
what
would
planes
in
of
like
and
on
cut
they
of
those.
particular.
how
dogfights
sometimes
dogfights
actually
one that
tracers
that. that
off
a
they
be
there
claimed
hairpin
terrible
an
before,
You
day.
lense
day.
in-between.
hit
with
F6F
flying
that
go
out
It
The
could
a
they
Then
picked loop
they
that
was
certain
in-between
that chasing
the
there
very
fighter
around.
would
20mm?
was.
actually,
and
sometimes
shot going
vapor
day,
going
up.
Did
altitude
him.
started
pilots
I
down
Like
This
dive
trail
you
say,
in
at
the
on
at
It
a a
Did Mr.
we playing
Yes,
Mr.
Mr.
Something
of
player
No.
don’t
Mr.
Did
Mr.
souvenirs
bring
and that
German
Not
Mr.
that
ever
you
Misenhimer
Zautner
Misenhimer
Zautner
Misenhimer
you
Zutner
I
from
to
I
was
remember
very
any
think
that
guy’s
his
speak
had.
have
see
rifle
in
that
Noumea
souvenirs
came
Peabody
banjo
seldom
it any
name.
Patton’s
any
and
of,
was.
I
ever
USO
aboard
seeing
movies
or no.
a
frequented
bayonet
in
I
I
something.
got.
other
I
think
think.
shows
3
New
wanted
too
ship
on
Army
than
they
the
Caledonia,
much
home.
anywhere?
one
to
anything
That’s
ship?
made
money
and
time.
come
of
I
was
that,
while
him
about
I
French
home
from
think
like
amazed
57
no.
a
that
full
the
that.
Iceland
at
that
I
money
think
least
only
was
Commander
at
Even
was
that;
and
going
entertainment
with
we
and
in
when
that
the
did
England
a
things
on
Japanese
he
Atlantic.
get
and
I
could
over
was
a
like
he
and
guy
that
back
there
used
do
flag,
I’m
that
that
that
I
that.
remember
in
trying
to
were
I
he
was
was
had
the
run
No
sent
about
the
to
States a
a
around
I
buddy
didn’t
banjo
think
me
that
only
it;
I a Mr. Zautner
Yes we did. In fact when they were running those movies a lot of the time, I think maybe it was at Kwajalein, we used to make like pipe bombs and when the movies were going on we would throw them over the side to cause a little disturbance because they used to be on the fantail. We found out that the pipe bombs would go down so far that when they would go off you could hardly feel anything, any vibration in the ship. So we started governing the depth by tying a string on them and dropping them down so far. Of course nobody seemed to know what they were. You would get a little rumble when they would go off. You had to have things to do to keep you from going nuts. We used to make kites
and put aluminum foil on them and fly them at night and then listen to the guys on the
IJV (One IV) talking about bogies and things like that. They would pick them up on
radar. (laugh) We would fly these kites at night with aluminum foil on them. They would
think they were flying saucers. Did you ever ask Charlie about that? You ought to call
him and ask him about that. We used to store all of the provisions below the hangar deck
on that ship. They would use our elevator to run stuff down below. We would have to run
the elevator for them. So we would start stealing these provisions like canned peaches
and pineapples and everything. We had lockers down there and we would throw a few
cases of this and that in, like raisins and all kinds of stuff in. We had this stuff brewing,
cooking aboard ship where we get a little bit of it. One night, this guy Charlie Morrison,
he’s dead now; he was an aviation metalsmith aboard ship; he and I were sitting outside
the catapult one night when one of these big aerial battles were going on; tracers were
flying all over. He and I were out there about half-buzzed up on some kind of a brandy
because we had peaches and apricots fermented. Then we would drink that juice and get
58
North
Wichita?
day
Jimmy
thing
can.”
United
fly
can
“I
parachute wanted that
came this was
he
get us
quarters guess
laying about
thought
guys
said,
with
rid
or
and
around about
we
you
(laugh)
down
half
half-buzzed
Chathani,
off
anything
Alcock’s
States. of
us
he
“I
got
them
were
he
I
are everything.
loft
have
Guam
to
a
of
understand
I
was
tells
the
stoned
here,
ten
told
throw
He those
going
all about
We
and
telephone
standing
scuttle
gallon
about
Massachusetts
us
number
turned
when
the
you
you
just
up.
we
on
guys
guys
those
to
half
time)
A
men
some One
that
guys
didn’t
it.
get
had
barrel
and
we
around
parachuter
there. got
to
here
in
provisions
(laugh)
numbers
on
were
stuff. time
people
to
there
a
stand
had
of
the
pie-eyed
want
or
gallon
me
for
get
you
If
02650.
and
bag somebody
five
better
bombarding
In
we
you.
Those you fast
(because
rid
have
to
here.
men
rigger, fact
went
over
can
and
gallons.
were
throw
of
because
want
on
508-945-2224.
get
Did
to
we
were
It
little
that
of
he
that.
the
out
sifting
seems have
59
I
got
rid
Parnell,
his
it
sent
pineapple.
you
was
told
We
there.
stuff.”
side
drunk
things
away
of
he
The
of
a
number,
food
barrel
a
get
that
a
like
ran
the
wanted
scooping
it
so
gallon
senior
senior
and
so
The
or
on
a
I
kind
we
off
scuttle.
an
stamps
senior
He
told
roster
we’re
you
You from
fruit
I
I’ll
awful
whole
couldn’t
a
has
one
up
to
aviation
aviator,
of
bunch
him,
this
will
give
juices.
talk
would
to
the
aviator
trying
of
Never
a
stick
to
night
lot
post
the
damn
pineapple
get
those
be
geedunk
“Mr.
that to
of
even
of
one
radioman
with
Chiefs
to us.
split If
were
court
office
this
said
raisin-jack.
work
the
to
there
division
eat
Alcock,
of
fellows
make The
you
you.
stuff
it
next
a
sitting
the
stand.
it
martialed.”
out
box,
for
word
two
quarters
is
next
as
too.
and
officers
anything;
I’ll
back
anymore
you.
morning
of
but
fast
off
the
Box
ways.
up
I
We
the
He morning
a
I
get
guess
of had
two
gallon
worse
as
in
in
and
said,
were
next
124,
you
saw
the
the
we
the
He
He
to
of
to
of
at
it I Mr. Misenhimer
He was a senior aviator?
Mr. Zautner
Yes he was and a good pilot too. He had the strongest looking teeth. I often wondered about that and I used to read articles on that. Nobody seemed to know in those days.
They thought it was because of marrow in the bones, or meat eaters or this and that. But do you know what they found out it was? It was fluoride in the water down in those areas. They had a high concentration of fluoride down in there. Up in the New England states they were terrible. McClellan is dead and I don’t know where the other one is but
Jack may know.
Mr. Misenhimer
And you gave me Daniel Jones.
Mr. Zautner
Yes, he was an officer aboard the Wichita. Danny Jones and Jimmy Alcock. You’ll be able to pick all of these. They will be on the roster. I’ll get this made up and ship it off to you.
Mr. Misenhimer
I’ve got a few more questions. Did you have any experience with the Red Cross?
Mr. Zautner
None favorable.
Mr. Misenhimer
What did you have?
60
working
lift
getting
with
one
I of
needed
Yes.
Mr.
I
Did
Mr. than
I
Mr. once.
had ex-wife’s
Mr.
Mr.
they
We
was
was
have
food
it
night
Zautner
you
Zautner
Misenhimer
Misenhimer
Zautner
had
lent
the
they
claimed
Before
back
rather
living
I
heard
ready
some
sitting
guess
the
have
Salvation
him
a
on
wanted
brother
into
guy
cameras
surprised.
I
with
that
the
to
that
help.
any
money
the
went
outside
shove
the
aboard
11:00
before,
their
my
Red
experience
was
if
Army
I
into
studio
he
this
think
when
father
it
the
I
Cross
money.
News.
in
didn’t
ship
don’t
back
the
yes.
woman
the
that
door;
it
down
his
Navy,
at
that
was
Marine
gave
with
in
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give
repay
wasn’t
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the
father
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would
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big
requested
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time.
somebody
was
you
station.
the
Corps
the
ham
day
too
died
Salvation
money
ever
about
money
come
we
I
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before
hot.
remember
and
61
and
and
had We
hear
emergency
Cross.
must
11:20
around
I
all
and
they
he
a
Army?
was
had
started
Christmas
of
similar
kinds
no
he
have
that?
at
to
were
working
that.
in
no
more
night.
go
of
from.
leave.
a
told
situation
more
uniform
down going
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got
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the
cameras
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was
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got
in
there
this
I
back
to
Salvation
night
had
that
happened
of
holding
garnish
back
alley
happened
the
was
to
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basket
downtown
time
the
aboard
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to
a
up
his
Army
big
the
to
Marine
when
for
my
experience
wages.
more
him.
back
basketful
ship
my
that
camera
Toledo
Army
I
They
Base
dad.
was
than
than
and
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Mr.
When
Mr.
to billed
Red
little
here the
I
they
where they
else. to
think
know and out
of
with
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was
them.
helping
the
but
guys,
Zautner
Misenhimer
of
Cross.
I
I
could
need
article
In one
the
you
it
want
up
what said,
that
alley,
the
we
fact
was.
his
of
in
United
were Army
my
hotel
used
was
them.
drive
It
to
he
“I
on
these
the
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which
name
said
still
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money
show
saw
said,
several
going.
over
to
building
that
in
around
States
I
tambourines
had
do.
in
listen
was
used
something
was
a
you
“Somebody
night
in
that
if
big
He
I
a
pages
the
Morey
was
government they
a
to
to
uniform
something.”
at
where
was
little
Lincoln
very
and
Atlantic,
Tokyo
donate
11:30
working
can
back
making
just
article,
Peacot;
unusual and
narrow
they
probably
drive
at
on
Rose
Continental.
and
to
about
then
night
did
for
dispatched
for
and
He
them
excuses.
I
he
they
alley
around
last
wish
quite
you
go
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the
that
had
used
they
and
lent
62
through
million
and
were
night”
ever
Toledo and
I
the
time,
a
hit
would
in
to
them
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closed
bit.
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take
the
she
newspaper
hear
called
always
these a
always
like
Then
dollars
the
Lincoln
We
Police
police
them
got
the
have
Axis
the
bars
bars
it
always
the
in
car.”
looking
call
I
was
door
my
for
Department
explained
saved crews
this
lent
Sally?
and
Continental.”
Salvation
to
that
me
timed,
the
I
old
pick
had
big
them
said,
and
request
we
Buck.
for
it,
from.
blood
clothes
Tokyo
Lincoln
up
got
where
drove
blood
this
“It
that
to
Army
money.
as
“Hey
One
there.
money.
that
the
doesn’t
guy
car.”
I
a
Rose
and
the
donations,
off.
was
radioman
Continental,
guy.
was
night
the
Buck,
came
Here
Red
You
everything
(laugh)
So
tuned
She
favorable
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