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University of Texas at El Paso ScholarWorks@UTEP Combined Interviews Institute of Oral History 11-26-1975 Interview no. 333 William Flores Follow this and additional works at: https://scholarworks.utep.edu/interviews Part of the Oral History Commons, and the Social and Behavioral Sciences Commons Recommended Citation Interview with William Flores by Oscar J. Martinez, 1975, "Interview no. 333," Institute of Oral History, University of Texas at El Paso. This Article is brought to you for free and open access by the Institute of Oral History at ScholarWorks@UTEP. It has been accepted for inclusion in Combined Interviews by an authorized administrator of ScholarWorks@UTEP. For more information, please contact [email protected]. UI.IIVERSITYOF TEXASAT EL PASC INSTITTJTEOF ()RALI{ISTORY II.ITERVIEI{EE: William INTERVIEi.IER: 0scarJ. Martinez PIIOJECT: DATEOF II'ITERVIEI.I: November26 December4 TERi''iSOF USE: Unrestricted TAPENO.: 333 TRAI,ISCRIPTi,10.: 333 TRA}ISCRIBER: SarahE. John DATETP.A|,ISCRIBEDI BIOGRAPHICALSYIiOPSIS OF INTERVIEI'IEE: (FormerNational President of LULAC)Born on his family/s ranch in socorro, Texason February23, 1897. Formerlyemployed by l^lilliam BeaumontGeneral Hosp'ital; veteran of WorldWar I. SUliilARY0F I['ITEP'VIEl'l: Biographyteducationa'l experiences; Anglo/Mexican relations jn El Paso; experienlei with LULAC;the word "Ch'icanoiland the ChicanoMovement; iob experiences;di scrimination. t hour, 15 minutes;34 Pages M: F'ir.st,Mr. Flores,could you tell mewhen and where you were born? F: I was born in Socorro, Texas on the family ranch, on February 23,1897. M: Could you give me a little bit of backgroundabout your parents? 'in F: We1l, I got it thene that /boog. M: is there anything that you would like to add to what is in that book that I just read? No. We11,I'd like to ask you somequestions that are not in that book. 0kay. Your father wasa very prominentman here in El Paso. Yes--ElPaso, Cd. Judrez,and all the valley here, all the surround'ing countryhere. Heattended to a'll the businessof the SpanishAmerican people. Therewere very few peop'lewho could do that. He hada law office, thatrs whathe had; andhe waseven an attorneyin Judrez, Mexico. Hedid a lot of businessthere in Judrez'too. M: Andyour father also held elective office here in El Paso. F: Yeshe did. Hewas the CountyClerk for quite a numberof years, and he wasalso a teacherin Judrez. At that time it wasnot called Judrez, but Villa del Norte; that's whatthe namewas. Andthen he npvedand he took over the schoolat Las Cruces,and then he cameover to Ysleta and took the schoolat Ysleta. I donrt knowwhat the durat'ionwas, but I guesshe lasted aboute'ight years as a professorin these three towns here. M. Mr. Flores, howd'id your father get a'longwith AngloAmericans? F: l,le11, iust f ine. Hegot alongjust f ine becausehe wasan intel'ligent man,a manwho made a little bit of moneyand he wasa prominentman. Andof coursehe didn't havehardly any troubleat all. Healso wasan interpreter for the FederalCourt here jn El Pasofor many'many years. FLORES Page 2 But as far as his getting a'longwith people,of course,he didn't have to go thnoughwhat most of the peoplehad to go through, becausethey didnrt haveany money and no education"and of coursethat makesa1ot of difference. M: Soyour fatherrs casewas exceptiona'l here in El Paso? F: I think so, V€s; I think so. Andthen he didn't look I jke a Mex'ican anyhow,he lookedl'ike any other American. M. Whatinfluence did your father haveon you as you weregrow'ing up? F: Well, he and I werevery close. I thoughtthat myfather wasthe best lookingman'in the whoJecounty here. I thoughthe wasthe mostintel- ligent manthat Ild ever seen. Andhe also knewFrench very wel1. At that tjme, all those peoplewho had a very goodeducation had to learn Frenchin order to get a1ong. With what, I don't know. He neverhardly ever usedthe I anguageat al I . M: D'idyour father ever tal k about howMexicans were treated by Anglo Americanshere? tr. No. Heand I didn't haveto do that because... Wedidn't havevery muchof that talk at homeat all or at the office. I usedto go into h'isoffice and help himout in there, as a stenographer,you know. And, of course,most of the comp'laintsthey hadwere just law complaints aboutproperty or schoolsor things like that. 'loca11y? M: Andyou attendedschools here F: I attendedpucl ic schoolslocally here. I attendedalso PalmoreCollege, one of the best collegesin NorthAmerica; at the time it wasconsidered oneof the best ones. I wentdown there to studySpanish. AndI grad- uatedfrom there in commercjalsubjects--Bookkeeping, Stenography' FLORES Page3 Spanish,arrd so forth. M: Whatdo you recal'1,what incidents stand out fromyour early school years, in elementaryschool? F: Well, whatstands out mostwas that I wasin high schooltwo years, and there wereon'ly two SpanishAmerican students at that time. And I was not mistreatedin any way, but there wassome way that they talked to you, you know,and you hadpretty diffjcult tjmesto get togetherw'ith other peoplebecause we were a'lways fighting. In school,you know,in the grammarschool, we usedto take sides anda bunchof us Mexican guyswould go to onecorner, andthe Americans/toZanotherr and it was just fighting all the time. Andthen when I got to high schoo'|,we didn't get to fighting at all, but their attjtudes... So I told my father I didn't wantto got to school anymore,and he sent meto the Durham's Co1lege,which they hadhere, commercialcourses a1so, then from there I wentto PalmoreCollege;, and InternationalBusiness Co11ege, I also attendedthat. Whatwas the attjtude of the students'inhigh school,the Anglostudents? Well, just the waythey lookedat you, Vouknow, and then the waythey treatedyou in the class. 0f course,I wasn't treatedwrong, but you can seewhen you're not wanted,you couldn't haveany friends there that wereworth a durn. Th'isother fella andmyself had to be iust the only onesthat went togetherto the schooland then comeback home. Andwhat you wantin school,Vou want to havea lot of peopleto talk to you, Vou know,have friends. Andthey...that's the only badtreatment I got. rCausewe usedto fight a1l the t'ime,you know. I usedto be a good scrapperat that time, too. Whenanything went wrong, oh, you know,I FLORES Page I just hada little fisted engagementthere andthat was . (Laughter) That's all that I could say aboutthat, becauseI wouldnrtlet them... WhjchI hada father, Vou know,he wasprom'inent here, and the teachers wouldn'tdare to do anythingwrong because they wouldhave a complaint on their hanis. But it!s not like goingto schooland having friends andgetting into the activities of the school. Whenyou are isolated... So I didn't get to complete schoolat all, I iust wentto high school two years. Did you haveMexican friends in high school? Well, there wasonly one. In high schoo'l? In high school. Just younself and one more? Thatrsright. Whathappened to all the other Mexicansfrom you neighborhood? Well, the Mexicans,they didn't go to high schoolat all, hardlyany. At that time, it waspretty expensivefor themto do so, and they were very poor peop'lemostly. Andsome of themwent away from El Pasoto study 7|in otfrerTplaces, Vou know. M. Whatdid they go study whenthey left El Paso? F: We11,I don't know. M: Businesscourses? F: Usuallywe took businesscourses, you know,all the waythrough' like I did. Youwould prepare yourself for that. Andif you couldget a iob as a clerk, you'd be doingpretty good. 'Causethey wouldn'tgive you a job if they hadany Ang1o. Andthe worst part of it was, the Ang'los FLORES Page 5 hereWere the Italians, the Bulgarians,the French,the English;and all the racesof the world Were"gringos," and the on'lyMexicans were us. Why,we were in a hell of a shape. tlJeused to fight with a'll the races of the world in El Pasothat I can remember,'cause nobody wanted to be a Mexican,Vou know. Andthen they went to the side of the Angloshere in El Paso. M: Whowent to the side of the Anglos? F: We'll,the different raceswe hadhere in El Paso. If you wereItalian, you wentalongs'ide theAng'los and we called you "gringo." Andthe French cameover here, and the samething. Nobodywanted to be a Mexican. So we hadone race aga'install the others. That's the waythat they used to take advantageof us. Andthen the Mexicanpeople here didn't know Englishin the first place. Theonly thing that they hadknown in their life wasSpanish, and bad)y spoken. Andmany of themdjdnrt knowhow to read, as I said a wh'i1eago. Thatwas one of the drawbackswe had. Todayyou find the samething; you don't haveto go very far. Yousee Italjans lThey/ speakEnglish wel1, andthey act like Americans.And you've got a Mexican,he's a foreignerto you, boy, and I don't mean maybe. Youstill see thosethings, very markedly. Werethere Mexicansin thosedays who wanted to passthemselves off as Anglos? They'dbetter notl (Laughter) They'dbetter not, or we'd ganglid on h'iml No, nobodywanted to be a gringo then. Theyhated the doggone gringosasmuchas they hatedus. tl|eall wasfighting at the school grounds;and sometimesWe even had to go to their bSrrios, you know,and fight'emover there, andsometimes they cameto ours. It was/with7 FLORES Page 6 rocks or whateverwe could, witn fists. It was very pronouncedat that time- M: hlould you say that discrrmination was very pronounced tn those days? t-: 0h, heckyeah. Definitely. M: what can you remember,what events? F: Well, onestrikrng eventthat I can recall right nowis aboutmy wife.
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