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EDMONTON GREEN, HASELBURY AND UPPER EDMONTON AREA FORUM - 13.7.2010
MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE EDMONTON GREEN, HASELBURY AND UPPER EDMONTON AREA FORUM HELD ON TUESDAY, 13 JULY 2010
COUNCILLORS
PRESENT George Savva MBE (Chairman), Kate Anolue (Vice Chairman), Andreas Constantinides, Christiana During, Patricia Ekechi, Chris Murphy and Andrew Stafford
ABSENT Ali Bakir and Jayne Buckland
OFFICERS David Taylor (Operations Manager – Transportation), David Dollemore (Environmental Crime Officer)
Also Attending: Adam Davison, Paul Phillips & Tim Spencer (Tottenham Hotspur FC), Councillor E Savva, Councillor Keazor, Carlene Moore (Enfield Homes) and approximately 25 residents
1 APPOINTMENT OF CHAIRMAN
Councillor G Savva MBE was appointed Chairman for the 2010/11 municipal year.
The Chairman thanked Councillor Andrew Stafford for his work as Chairman for the past few years.
2 APPOINTMENT OF VICE CHAIRMAN
Councillor Kate Anolue was appointed Vice Chairman for the 2010/11 municipal year.
3 WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS
The Chairman welcomed all present to the meeting and the Councillors introduced themselves.
4 APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE
Apologies for absence were received from Councillors Buckland and Bakir.
5 DECLARATION OF INTERESTS
NOTED
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1. Councillor Constantinides declared that he was a Tottenham Hotspur FC season ticket holder (agenda item 8) and that he and other local councillors had been involved in trying to resolve resident parking issues around North Middlesex Hospital (agenda item 10).
2. Councillor G Savva MBE declared he was a Tottenham Hotspur FC supporter.
6 MINUTES OF THE MEETING HELD ON 30 MARCH 2010
AGREED that the minutes of the meeting held on 30 March 2010 be confirmed as a correct record.
Actions from the last meeting
Rays Avenue, N18 – Rubbish/Rat issue
Councillor Murphy advised that a meeting would be held shortly prior to the court case to try to evict the squatters on the land. Following eviction the land would be cleared and then a decision made as to its future use.
Fairfield Road – Cab parking and kerb side mechanics
Councillor Stafford considered that the response provided by the Environmental Crime Officer was unsatisfactory and that a solution to resolve the problem must be found. Action: David Dollemore/Abi Latinwo
Sebastopol Road - CDI project
A presentation from Sarah Carter (Enabling Officer – Place Shaping & Enterprise) would be received at the next Forum meeting.
7 UPDATE FROM THE POLICE
NOTED that there were no police representatives in attendance at the meeting.
8 IMPACT OF NEW TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR GROUND
RECEIVED a briefing from Paul Phillips, Tim Spencer and Adam Davison (Tottenham Hotspur FC) on the proposed new Tottenham Hotspur stadium including the following issues: a. the original scheme had been withdrawn following concerns from English Heritage; b. consultation on a revised scheme, which included refurbishment of some buildings in the conservation area, would be ending shortly; Page 3
EDMONTON GREEN, HASELBURY AND UPPER EDMONTON AREA FORUM - 13.7.2010 c. the new proposal was for a 56,250 seat stadium to accommodate an extra 20,000 fans, with a supermarket, large public plaza, club shop, hotel and 200 residential units; d. Tottenham Hotspur FC (the Club) was working closely with Haringey and Enfield Councils on plans for managing extra fans; e. fans would be encouraged to travel by public transport – White Hart Lane railway station, Northumberland Park railway station, Seven Sisters rail and underground station and Tottenham Hale rail and underground station, as well as buses, cycling and walking. A target of 77% fan travel by public transport had been proposed; f. it was intended to increase the capacity of White Hart Lane station with fans arriving earlier and staying later at the stadium to avoid surges; g. currently 40% of fans travelled by car to the stadium, the target for the new stadium was a reduction to 23%; h. approximately 5 to 6 thousand cars entered the local area on match days; i. following the introduction of match day Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) in Haringey fans had dispersed car parking to residential roads in Enfield; j. it was intended to enlarge the CPZ in Haringey and introduce a match day CPZ in Enfield resulting in no free parking on public roads within a mile and half of the stadium (other than for residents); k. match day CPZs would be free of charge to local residents.
This was followed by questions.
1. A resident remarked that the new stadium would be close to the Lee Valley Park and that benefits should be drawn from this.
2. Councillor Constantinides commented that CPZs tended to disperse cars out to neighbouring residential roads and therefore responsible authorities should be prepared to extend the CPZ until the problem was solved.
The Club’s representatives confirmed that if the initial CPZ boundary was not sufficient they were under a legal obligation to review its operation and extend if necessary. A detailed annual report on fans pattern of travel would be produced.
3. Councillor Stafford commented improvements to the White Hart Lane railway line had been long awaited and asked what plans were in place to increase its capacity.
The Club’s representatives advised that £1m expenditure would be made but that discussions continued on the specific improvements. It was anticipated that fans usage of the station would increase to 12,000 per game.
4. Residents remarked on problems caused by fans parking in local roads on match days, operation of the proposed CPZ and costs.
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The Club’s representatives advised that the proposed match day CPZ was three times bigger than the current one. The new Enfield CPZ would be 250 hectares, covering an approximate 30 minute walk from the stadium. However if roads outside of the CPZ became congested residents would be consulted on extending the CPZ to that area. The Club would bear the cost of implementing the CPZ and there would be no cost to residents for match day permits. Resident permits would be issued by vehicle without cap. The new stadium scheme also included provision for coach parking for away fans.
The Chairman and Councillor Anolue commended the CPZ arrangement around the new Emirates Stadium and hoped that improvements in residential parking would be replicated by the proposed Enfield CPZ.
5. A resident queried why the proposal did not include provision for underground car parking as stadia in other countries did.
The Club’s representative advised that this was the least sustainable mechanism for fan travel. Policy in this country did not support building stadia in Green Belt land, which would be required to facilitate underground parking. The new stadium’s increased fan numbers should not produce a discernable difference in car usage because of improved and increased public transport usage.
David Taylor (Operations Manager – Transportation) commented that other issues also impacted the road network and that the Council was working with Haringey Council and Transport for London to ensure that the scheme was robust. Enfield Council’s Planning Committee would be considering the application at the end of July and residents were invited to write to Planning Officers to make their views known.
6. A resident remarked on the 2 hour diversion of buses around the Cambridge roundabout on match days.
The Club’s representative advised that discussions with bus operators had been held and it was intended to trial a reduced diversion next season.
7. The Chairman commented that surges of fans walking down narrow residential streets could be frightening for residents and asked what arrangements could be put in place to control the arrival and departure of fans.
The Club’s representative advised that stewards would be provided at stations to manage queues and keep good order. However it was the responsibility of the police to keep order on the public highway.
8. A resident asked if any local economic benefits would be brought about by the new stadium.
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The Club’s representative remarked that recent years had seen businesses moving out of the local area and a general cycle of decline. However the Club believed that the scale of the development would act as a catalyst to improve the area. The new supermarket and hotel would provide jobs for several hundred local residents and existing stadium jobs, such a stewarding, would be increased. The Club had worked closely with business occupiers to find new premises, 80-90% of which had successfully been relocated within the area.
9. A resident queried the impact of building works on the local area.
The Club’s representative advised that the development would take 6 to 7 years to complete; supermarket in year 1, stadium in years 2, 3 and 4 and housing units after the old stadium was demolished. Any planning approval would have conditions attached to it regarding construction traffic movements to reflect best practice for construction. It was anticipated that this would include all deliveries to the stadium to be made off of the High Road and outside of the rush-hour.
The Chairman thanked the Club’s representatives for their briefing.
9 HIGHWAYS AROUND RAYNHAM PRIMARY SCHOOL - CONGESTION
RECEIVED an update from David Taylor (Operations Manager – Transportation) on highways around Raynham Primary School, including the following issues: a. during resurfacing works last year some traffic calming measures had been taken out; b. over the last 3 years there had been 8 slight injury accidents, 3 of which involved pedestrians, of which 2 were school age children; c. a recent survey had shown that the 20 miles per hour zone was generally being observed; d. the school had undertaken several traffic surveys, the results of which would be considered in reviewing improvement options; e. the school encouraged children to walk or cycle to school and around 78% of pupils did so, which was above the borough average; f. a number of road safety projects had been undertaken including enforcement action with the Police in April of this year; g. other issues, such as the nearby access slip road to the North Circular Road and users of the Mosque, added to congestion problems in the area; h. a further review of traffic in the area would be undertaken in September with a report back to the Forum in October on possible improvement options which were affordable and cost effective.
This was followed by questions.
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1. Councillor Anolue highlighted that this had been an ongoing problem for residents and requested that improvement actions were implemented as soon as possible.
2 A resident remarked that motorists often exceeded the 20 miles per hour restriction and used Raynham Terrace as a rat-run. He requested a police presence in the area from time to time.
3. Councillor During advised that the car park opposite the Mosque was often empty and requested that this be investigated as use of the car park would reduce congestion in the area.
4. A resident advised that the travel surveys undertaken by the school had revealed that seat belts were often not used in vehicles and the use of mobile phones by drivers whilst vehicles were in motion. She requested a police presence at 8.30am to warn motorists of such dangerous habits.
The Chairman assured residents that ward councillors would continue to press for a solution to the problem and requested residents make their views known to David Taylor.
10 UPDATE ON THE CONSULTATION REGARDING PARKING AROUND NORTH MIDDLESEX HOSPITAL
RECEIVED an update from David Taylor (Operations Manager – Transportation) on parking around North Middlesex Hospital, including the following issues: a. consultation on the introduction of a Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) had been undertaken earlier in the year; b. residents to the south and east of the hospital had been strongly in favour of a CPZ, those to the west had been less supportive; c. further consultation would be undertaken with those residents strongly in favour of a CPZ; d. the introduction of a CPZ would be considered within a review of CPZs across the borough. However officers would recommend the introduction of such a CPZ; e. if a CPZ were to be implemented an approximate timetable would be conclusion of resident consultation by end September, review of comments and suggestions in October, legal work completed by end of November, implementation between January and March next year.
This was followed by questions.
1. A resident remarked that a CPZ should have been established long ago as the majority of resident were in favour of it. He requested that it be implemented immediately, not in another 6 to 8 months.
David Taylor advised that the issue of parking had been recognised as part of the hospital development proposals. North Middlesex Hospital Page 7
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would part fund the CPZ. It would have been a short term measure to have introduced a CPZ prior to the completion of development works at the hospital.
Councillor Murphy requested that residents be made fully aware of timings of any CPZ prior to implementation as problems had arisen in other CPZs post-implementation.
2. David Taylor advised that in other parts of the borough residents’ costs for all day CPZs was £70 a year and less for one hour CPZs. CPZ permits were specific to a zone and did not entitle holders to park in other CPZs.
3. A resident suggested that the hospital be asked to review its car parking charges as 15 mins was insufficient time to drop-off or pick-up people who required assistance. It was suggested that a reduced rate 1 hour fee would be more appropriate.
David Taylor commented that the hospital recognised that parking was a major issue and undertook to raise the issue with them. Action: David Taylor
4. A resident commended the introduction of double yellow lines in the narrower parts of Bridport Road as slightly improving traffic flow.
5. Councillor Ekechi remarked that double yellow lines were required by the supermarket just before Gloucester Road.
Councillor Anolue remarked that double yellow lines were required in Bull Lane by Little Somerset.
David Taylor undertook to look into these issues. Action: David Taylor
11 ENVIRONMENTAL UPDATE
RECEIVED an update from David Dollemore (Environmental Crime Officer) on general environmental issues across the wards, including the following issues: a. a Kitchen Caddy scheme had been launched for residents in the wheeled bin pilot area; b. construction of a part time 20 mile per hour speed limit with traffic calming and a zebra crossing had recently been completed by Churchfield Primary School on Latymer Road. However problems had been experienced in connecting the signs to a power supply; c. partial carriageway resurfacing on Park Lane, N9 (between Nos 40-52) and South Eastern Avenue, N9, between 23 and 26 July; d. partial carriageway resurfacing on Ascot Road, N18, between 26 and 27 July; Page 8
EDMONTON GREEN, HASELBURY AND UPPER EDMONTON AREA FORUM - 13.7.2010 e. partial carriageway resurfacing on Northern Avenue, N9, between 2 and 6 August, f. footway renewal on Church Street, N9, until the end of the financial year; g. Thames Water major Victorian mains replacement works in Montagu Road ongoing until mid August; h. National Grid major gas mains replacement works in Fore Street ongoing until end November; i. National Grid major gas mains replacement works in Fore Street/Grove Street ongoing until July; j. currently there are 3 Dispersal Orders in the borough: • Edmonton Green transport hub; • Klinger Estate; • Ayley Croft estate.
12 PUBLIC SESSION
1. Flag poles at Edmonton Green
A resident requested that the flag poles at Edmonton Green be replaced. Councillor Stafford undertook to raise this issue at the Edmonton Partnership Initiative meeting. Action: Councillor Stafford
2. Wheelie-bins
A resident questioned whether the new administration would continue with the introduction of wheelie-bins. He remarked that the wheeled bins were too large.
Councillor Constantinides advised that the new administration was reviewing all options and that considerable investment had already been made in the project. A decision would be made after further consideration and in light of significant cuts in government funding.
3. Craig Park
A resident expressed serious concerns about crime and youth fights in the park during evenings. She had witnessed a fight involving approximately 20 youths and had contacted the police but they had not attended the incident. She felt that the presence of Enforcement Officers early in the morning targeting responsible dog owners was a waste of resources. She requested that CCTV be installed and improved lighting provided within the park.
Councillor Stafford advised that the issue should also be raised at the next Police CAPE meeting.
The Environmental Crime Officer undertook to raise the issue with the Parks Police. Action: David Dollemore Page 9
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4. Bonfires
A resident requested clarification on restrictions regarding bonfires.
David Dollemore (Environmental Crime Officer) advised that there were no restrictions on the hours when bonfires could be lit. The Council’s advice was for neighbours to speak to each other, but if bonfires were a nuisance on a regular basis to inform the Environmental Crime Unit.
5. Fly-tips
Councillors reported fly-tips in Angel Close and Claremont Road and requested that they be cleared. Action: David Dollemore
6. Bicycle riding on pavements
A resident reported bicycles without an audible warning means (i.e., bell) being ridden on pavements.
The resident was advised to contact the Police.
13 SUGGESTIONS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS
RECEIVED the following suggestions for the next meeting:
• Presentation on CDI project at Sebastopol Road • Update on highways around Raynham Road • Decent Homes programme • The Council’s commitment to Fair Trade • Impact on local schools of changes to the Building Schools for the Future programme
14 DATES OF FUTURE MEETINGS
NOTED dates of future meetings:
Tuesday 5 October 2010 Tuesday 18 January 2011 Tuesday 15 March 2011
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