Queensland

Parliamentary Debates [Hansard]

Legislative Assembly

THURSDAY, 11 SEPTEMBER 1930

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Applinnts und~T Reiicf Srheme. [ll SEPTEMBER.] Abattoirs Agre.ment, Etc., Bill. 8!)5

ST.,TibTIC'S I:'\ RE U:\TEJ.\IPLOYMENT HELlEF SCI-IE~lE.

0HDER FOH HETCH~.

:\Tr. !1l~LCUC 1 I..: (JJarc1o): I bl~g to rnoye~ ''TLat. thPl'·' b0 bid npo:n tho table of tll lion ·-~ a rehtrn ~ho,x.ing- 1. The

5. Tht> nurnlH•r of persons who are C>rrlplo,;;cd undl'r the scheme ln Bris­ ban c and en-iron~ ; 6. ThP nu1nber of pcr~on;; who are cmployccl in areas othc1· than Bris­ bane and environs; 7. The> numlwr of applications re­ ceiYed for funds fror:n countrv centres, .~pecifyi11g frorn yrhon1 th~cy were I't:ceiYl'd ; and 8. Tlw number of applications that have been granted." Quci't ion put and passed.

U:'\E:\Il'LOY:VIE:'\T REGISTRATIOI\"S AT 31sT .JULY, 1930.

OP.DER FOR RETURX. :1lr. DASH (Jlmulinglntrra), for Mr. BR GCE (Kenncdy): I beg to move- '· That there b<> laid upon the table of the House a return showing the number of persons registered for employ­ ment throm;hout the State at the various labour bm:eaux as at 31,t ,July, 1930, givin;; details in regard to-(a) ordinary registrations. and (b) unemployment relief registrations." THURSDAY, 11 SEPTEMBER, 1930. Que-.tion put and passed.

The Sl'E.\KEH (Ilon. C. Tavlor Windsor) AB.\TTOIRS ."\.CaUm:\IE:\1'1' RATIFICA­ took the chair n t 2.30 p.m. • ' TIO:'\ A:'\D :\lEXl' IC\DUSTRY BILL. Ix!TIATIOX. APPLICAKTS REG·ISTERED U:'\DER The l'H l<;::<.IIER (Hon. A. E. J\Ioore, U:'\'E:\IPLOY~IENT RELIEF SCHE;.VIE. ,1 ubiuny): I beg to mo·- e- ,, That th0 House will, at its next ORDER FOR RETURX. sitting, n •.olvc it, elf into a Committee :\1r. \YINSTA:\LEY (Quf'enton): I beg to of the• \\'hole to consider of the clesirablc­ n(~,·") of introducing a Bill to approve, " That ther.) bo laid upon iho table ratify, and conllrn1 on agrce-Incnt rr1ade of tho House a return showing- bctwocm the Honourable Arthur l~dward illoorl\ Premier m1d Chief Secretary of 1. The number of applicants who thP St 1tc of Queensland, for and on registered for employment under the Lchalf of the GO\·ernmcnt of C:ueonsland, GoYCrllnlent's unemployment relie[ and S\vlft Australian Con1pan;_L Lin1ited, scherne ;: t the conlinoncomPnt of the relating to the purchase of a Lattoirs in scheme. or within a. month of its thu cit_, of Brisb,nc; to provide for announccn1cmt. who are still waiting for the comtitution of a J\Icat Industry cmployrncnt; and Board having- for its objoct tho main­ 2. The number of applicants now tc•nancc a"ld control of the said abattoirs, re~·istercd for such eil,ployment and further powers and authoritie;; throu.;-hout the State vvho are waiting re!l"arding the meat industry; Qnd for for engagement or selection." other purpose~." Question put and passed. Question put and p>e~sod. 896 Fedual Aid Roar!s [ASSEMBLY.] A.Jreement, Etc., Eiil.

P\PERS. 0tJth. It by quite a num. The following parcr6 ·were laid on the bor of thctt tha~· arnonnt of rnoney wrtu Cornrnon\vl'altb table:- the GoYernn1ent to ~ for uncrnploy- Rogule.tions 27 to 37 indusive under uwnt puqJos-~ ..:5: but was not so. It a.Eci for purposes of '"The Banana n'ali· nlCO.i_ that the ~ grc•rncnt has been Industry Protection Act of 1929" ; (''\:tended for <.Lnoth0r .c:ix months so as to Order in Council m1do,. " 'Tho Banana Il18k_ provision foe the £1,000.000 that was Industry Protection Act of 192~" ; and advanced by t1F' C·Jtnrnonvvc<.dth fur the pur­ Ord0r in Council under " The Primary pose of providing vvork for the nncr.nploved Pmrluce li:xperiment Stations Act of in the seyeral States. - " 1927.' 'Tl·<~ BilJ al o prov~Jcs that in futuro the St:.t-1-'~ J ,,-ill be ab1c to VAC the nlO~lOV received fl'mn the Cornmon\n'alth for nuLintonancc FEDERAL AID ROADS AGREEJ\lE~T work as \Yt'll as for the coustruction of now APP.ROVAL ACT (VARIATION OF \York. linckr th( ori~rinal ag-rernent tho AGREE:\1ENT) APPROVAL BILL. Strttcs ' ere not able to use that rnonev for the purpose o~ rnainta,ining roads al{:cady INn'IA~rroN IN Co~rMITTEE. c;nstructcd. I have briefly set out the main (,Jf,·. RobcTts, East Toowoom ba, in the chaiT.) features of i he Bill, and will give morH detailed information on the second reading The SECRETARY FOR RAILWAYS <:lt 1 ge. (Hon. Godfrcy Morgan, M~urilla): I beg to :'.lr. W. FORGA::\" SMITH (Jiackay): The rnove- l\lini.~ter, in rnoYing this resolution, gave " That it is desirable that a Bill be the House a brief resuuo of the agreement introduced to approve, adopt, authorise, bc.twecn the various States and the Com­ and r ~. ti fy "' furthr, r a !!,rccment made monwealth, and also of what the new agree­ b< b,e ·n the Commonwealth of Australia ment invoh-ed. Po far as I can understand, "nd the State of Quccnsl:.nd in relation the States in the future will not be com­ to the construction and re~on!'truction pelled to expend a sum of money rcpre­ of Federal aid roads in the State of ,;;cnting 15s. fot every £1 provide--d by tht> Queensland.'' Corrnnonv cal th Govcrnr:ncnt. r_rhat is to This Bill i· nccc,sary because thoro has been say, that it will not be menr!atory npon the some alteration in tho agr0orncnt entered State to p!~o,;ido that subsidy; but, if it into bet .·-cen thn c.evcral States and the ·; desire:-, it ('~Ln f"pcnd that amount and Cornmonw,· dth in 1926. At that date. as no nwrc. if it is ill a positlon so io do. That doubt mo•t hon. lll<'rnbers "ro ~H~ .a.1non;:t t the Stat'cs vnth n. orie;in:dlv ~v,rud upon. vi:--v; to getting sorno political aJva11tngc. The Bill provides for a reduction in sink­ rrhc ST·~CRrTAitY FOP. UnL~:\ AYS: Thl-y put 1:1 inn- fund pavments from 3 per cont. to 2h sprcial tnx on petrol for th ,t purposP. per cpnt. nftpr tlw c•xpiration of the first tefJ _and a-ha!f years. The avrePmcnt wa J\Tr. •,r JI'ORGAN Si\ITTH: The Common­ or1gmrrlly rlr~wn up for " period of ten \Ycnlth Govcrnm0rlt impnsed a petrol ta.x, years. :·ncl has now !wen extended to ten and it w"s held in ihP judgment of th" Hi.:;IJ and e made, but I thL p~o:~Ic e:~.11 f·- t the 'tetvantag-c of better thg~,in until the committee stago in order to give to-day, tnat I con_~lClcr 1t abi-iurd In ./.. !1c th0 prjncipal rcasolls. for asking that certain extr,~rnc to have the spcd·aclo year a. .tter action be taken as indicated in clauses 2 Vl :1r of tho Trr;asnrcr of the c1a,. no matter anrl 3 of this measure. The c·onnnisr,ionor ~Yho he rnay be', bring,ing down a,Bill si1nilar to this, and usking Parlium:---nt re.c'n

The pronswn relating to retrospectivity to t.:tko r ~t(' .~umL' u.ttitude as 1 deals with a judgment of the court. As Lea' uf tho Oppo~ition lHtti the TrfLlSl.Her pointed out, the court' gave a i:-,. to i't..'\·ie\v GoYL'r'lHnen~ legi~- certain judgment in the MeGcoch case. 1aciml fro1n the Aush·tdinn point of view. The TREASCRER: A good Scotch name. ;-::=o far a:-1 nH-:''·nhf'J of this party are con­ dt'iinitely look at this and similar Mr. \V. FORGA''\ SYIITli: Irrcspc~tiYe frc1: tlu{t !J'lint of vie . Wo look pf Ul-" <..:onutr~; o ic)~.~ th0 indiYidual t<:~.:x:1tir :1 prop~.. :als fron1 the p ;int of tJ. h(·, ; his n as u. citiz('n of Ylt'\Y or tJw public interest Utd, if OUr ViE'\VS 1--±t· ;_~:-:.~' 1 '1-t··tt tho.)e righls b:.· ':n-:,· to ',.·}u_~.._ i; rh intorc;:;t, that 1 of :,Jtai ~nd h2 < 0 not o£ il. elf tbnt there is a.ny Hl f.rtYOl\l'. lie i~; of lack rs~:11Hiing of the CH y(']'.._~id. ,'l ntf tht• prin<:iplc in dh' ::-.~o atL n1pt 1~ HHtdc·, so far as 1 TLt: li'•sition ui tJw Fcc1c .,td Leader of abl(_' to l'i-.'ac1 thl' daUf't'. to cL priv .-' ~dH' Oppo:-;ir~on i~:; that he 1•> urging the Federal .. in! litic:•:l!'- d 1he fruit; of a ·.Qr­ to adopt the :\a:Lionalist li11e of ] i:t· th t·ourt~. Tlw rl'r'"'asun;r of l~ueensland~ if t->tah·lllPnt. yc.-;tf'rday tnutlls an_:, thing, is TLe THi'\SrRER: will Hot. 1n r~ny w ill this uu rt. to \,·ith hi~ line of c·sr Hl vvhiLh ial prL\'t have 'L'h::J~t e < do, unlc,~s tlw activi- cdn ad.v been takvn. be and hi Govcrntncnt engage in ~\Ir. W. FURGAS S:\.UTII: I ullClcrstand. appeal to us as the be ,t methods of dealing fl the 'I'reasuror iuterjccts, ihat it \Vill not \vith tbo <'~·.::i~tiug situatioll. So far as they affe~t any per-on "'\Yh'J nuL,,. have already haq· t·0nc, \chile ttlking of equality of takt n initial proc0cdings. 11 hP clause it'~ sacriftce, the:· hav<." 110t giYcH any evidence retro"ncctivc in so far as it ratiiic:; and all of thci;· inicntion to make that more 1nakcs~ clear tht' ruljugs of the dE.l)artmcnt .1 n1c·t ' fonnuht. I realise that the 'inc• the operation of the Act. In other ('Conmnic couclition of Queensh~nd and Aus­ words, it places be·~, ond all legal doubt the t:alicL 1s su('h at the nres£\nt tirnc that action that the department has .already dru·tie oJiort< will have to bu made b) all taken. 1 have no objection to offer to that. t lw Um·crmncnt3 to de a J with the position. Anv other iine of activit-Y would be; an open lt is not a tirne jn v,rhich ECctioaal or class iHvltation to people to n1ovo the court with int0r, «t.s parLicularly cu1 be giYf" _l dose atten­ <.l '.ric~r to r0covcri1:(' arc prepuod to have pro.-ed value.'' There is abo a definition a complete ecor10mic review of all the factors dealing with improvements effected in regard in indmtry, and of all the facts of goYern­ to the clearing of land of noxious weeds and rncnt clL<~ling with the position; hut, so far so forth. So far as 1 have been able to a:; tbc GoYernrncnt haYo gone in regard to follovv 1he new defiuitions. they are on alt lcgi,lation thi year and the kind of lcgisla­ fours with tho ,e in the Federal Land T>tx tioli :hat the.v lHtYe outlined a,; being part Act. of thc!r progrannnc, it. doPs not appeal to rn~· The TREASURER : I think so; I am not a·;; indicating anything in the nature of a quite sure. r·omplct0 rcyicw of thf' position. It is clf>arl.v in the direction of carrying out their party Mr. W. FORGA=" SMTi'H: I looked at policy, aEd irupo~ing tax-_;_.tion alour- th"J line;' the Federal Act this morning, "nd, so far of that policy. as I cau gather from a close analysis and comparison of the Bill and the Federal Act, Thls Bill ls a Inrasurf' "\,,hich, in it,elf. is this rncasure brings tho law of the State scund. A land t>Lx is eeonomicallv and and that of the Commonw8alth in reg-ard to uoralhT sound n~; a ta~;:_, tlnd the r0venue this matter i:1to couformitv: therefore. it Y\'hi.ch ~.,,-i[~ front tlw pa :;sngr: of tlH\ appears to be a good thing fl·~m n:any po,int~' Hill 1.:ill 1-n: ,l by t1Jt• Tn'asul'cr; but of vie-.\'. }Jan. rncrnbt__~rs on this sido ·,,cil} h .Ye :comothing In th,: courflc of hif: remarks the rrreasurer UlOl'(' to ~n wjth rt'(]"ard to fonns of rdcrrccl to the financial position of the State taxa' :on "·hc·n the Budget h ·' delivered Pl' a nothc~r taxaJ1on {Jropor:. 1..l conics before us. 1\~hich rnadc the p~Issuge of this Bill neces­ ""'V. There can he no doubt that all the J r0nccr, in conclusion. that the Lo,bour ~tU:te: ha vo a difficulty in obtaining neces­ Purty are JO:'C)la'rcd to deal vc·ith ihc situation ~arY ftmd,,. T'axation has been levied in i!l a rnann(:r tl1a1 -ill bring abont stabilisa­ Y:ll~ious dir( ctions, and the position of tion jn 1 }lo cornrrnu;.itv-. ncl provide for Quocll'·land is such as to cause considerable <~quality of s.;crifice in rcalit:· rath0r than as anxietv to all concerned. The rrreasurcr has (1 \11C're cmpt;,' fonnula. " deficit of approximately £750,000. Under the fin:1neial agrccrncnt arrangen1ents have 'f}"'' TRJcASGREl{ (Hon. V\". H. Barnes, to be ,nade to liqui,le.te that in a period of 11'y11nwn.): In reply. I dc,irc to some- four years: that is to say, the deficits call­ thing in reference to the rel!Jarks of Leader o:ot be carried on inclcGnit<'ly by making a o£ the Oppo,ition. In thl' firsi, place, the t.e1nporary cbarge against other funds of the lton. nH'Il1llC1' f»fljd thrtt, so far as Government State, but arrangements haYe to be rnade to policy in tbis parUcular rcf!:a!'d is c:)ncerned, lirJuiclate tlw deficit and to enable the State it ha, his approYal, and he is in accord with to bakncc it~ Bndgt~t during the current this land tax. I concluded my opening financial vear. I \Vi~h to md,ke this conl­ remarks this afternoon by sa, ing· that I had mcnt in "that direction: 'I'he Treasurer, pleasure in n1oYing this ,~0cond reading. I speaking yesterday, said that he would like wa.nt to quolify that •remark. I have already hon. members of this Parliament, and myself said that no one experiences pleasure in [Mr. Smith. Land Tux Act [lJ SEPTEMBER.] AmendmEnt Bill. 899

of thf' yJeople. but. I \Vant thP harde,~ thing an/ indc,-idual can do is judccTd(•nt. it would be r J ha··,, to walk a boat the treets looking for if th3P hac! been a >}llH'thil'". to do and not able to get it. r1n tbt< J'fl ~·t. of the GoYornrnent to \Y. FoRC\X ~.\TrTH: It j,, tl1e suprcrnn fnnn of t u'Cation rhould be ahan­ trr:g-r oi n1odP1'n civili~ation. fonn of taxation sub­ ]H'nalisc th0 cornnluuity. kno,,· tlnt t.ho hon. ncdcl. Juyp bee11 for tho I a1n no~~, going :,-ion Lad we done tha.t ! il,Y. : np1eme tragedy fot• CV<'l'.' ·individnal ill tb COl1HllUHity to 'i .~· that at a tiulC like lw Jiy]ng- at ~~1 n:tP <~t -.,,-}tich hL~ should not Go, Prnn1ent arc rn·eJ.Jared havP liYccl. Jr i:-3 a snpn•n1c traged~-, toe, ·r of t:1i~· Ft-u.lc I want to sav that a Uutv tlti: k I':G ha\"e Y('t rCached 'tlw r·nd of the i..: er:. ,.t upon u·; a IYholP and individual(y picture'. I run· afraid Y>t> have not; and .s Inf'JnbPrs OJ- I-IousP to ~ ·o that at least our dui v is to sec tlw. t :tt tun1 we do -\',.(_' ; 1 to the ocra::-ion and bala.ucc the "'hat ,., 'e eau to lwlp to the position BudgPL ~Jo Tn ,urPr ha~ a right to come of thiut::·s in QtH'{'D ·)lanJ. That is a duty cast clo n IYi th " Budg·<'t >~·hich he does not upon e\'cr;: member of thic· Chamber and honPrtl:"y bnliev.· hP is rroing to balancJ. l CYPl'J n1crnbcr of the conuuunity. thii,L that is the l'trst sh~p in meeting our I sn)' ad Yisedly that 1t is a clut_y cast upon difficultie.. A Tl'C'll.'Urcr who brought down lcnc1in6· ai.Jthoritics. At thi~ particular tirne a Bndg('t. feeling that hi~-; Pxp(;ctations were the~~ "honld a:·sioi., instead of raisin"; the ·1ot goin~ to bC' rPalis(''l would be breaking ratt~..;; of inh~re~t. lt is a duty resting. upon faith with the Conmom> calth and the rest thern, and it l:-1 a clutv that the\ shoultl not of t h0 State''· fail to earn out. The position 'of thP Trea­ "'-Ir. W. FORGAX SJIITH: I C]Uite agree with !-'ituer just no\Y i;-, Dot .an tnt, \Yhcn l that .. Ir. \Y. FoRGA~ fL\IITH: Xo. I tolcl ~/OU 1nst Year that. so far h·orn congratulating JH-'Oplc of this d('::Jt:riptlon !'hould prc- ::on. I ;-;yn1pa,t ltiscd with ~'OU. i ·:crctl to ov that they will help in a time of crBis, C'f;pecudly vvhru then' is a Govern­ The TRE,\SURJ•;R: It is wrv nicr> to tt:\'1 t gtwrant(~e. To-cla.v the rrrcw~urcr kuo\v that I lHLYt' th(• genuiue s:n11puthy of tnig-ht f'nc1orse a loan Ctll:l'ying. say. 7 per tlw Leader of the Opposition. ('t'llt., which rPally 1·;ork~ out at about 8 J'>fr. \Y. FoRGAN s~nTH: I not only gavR l'L'l' C' nt.: lmt by aLd bye, when the Trea~ \·on jtuticu, Lut I mn prc11arcd to of that lilUuit~v of ;--,c•eing \Yhat h0 can do to help in l h],., lrtrticular time. It is idle to ~a-.:- thoro :\Ir. '\Y. FOPGAK S~TITII : A lot of people. tH'f' nut difTicu:tie:-3 ont~idc. bet lUSC thc~rC arc. nnfortun ttel;..·. arn ~uffcring real a.nt of I lw;J:• that ihcre will grow from day to day a feeling that there should un equality 1 hP l-':tre ne-u's~arics of life. b0 of sacrifice and a duty to senc the public. The TREASURER: Tlwre i.' no doubt Que tinn-'' That the Bill be now read a .Lhat th0re arc pcoph \Yho are :-:uffering real S('( cud ii1ne "~]"JUt and pa:- ,,pJ. want. It is very easy for a p.=--rson to bo a k1';a1 citizen ·whPn ho lwf', if I maY use a C'O,DIIL'Ef. Ytilgnri~n1, a full Ftomach. · 1 (Jlr. L 0!J, tls, East Tnow.Ja '"·' ba, in tlu· chair.} ~rr. FoHGAX SYIIT11 : That is not vulgar. Clause 1--" .'~'hort titlt and consf,·uction of The TREAS-CllEH · It js omctirnt:.;; very A et "-agr~:~ed to. difficult. to be loval un\ler such circnn1::.tanccs. Clause 2~--" A 111 end ml'lli of Stction 3- Tbc poJir~,- of this Govcrntnent is to ~ ee, so J)( finitions "- tar as is humanly possible, that everything is clon0 to change tho condition of thing-s 2\Ir, W. FORG_A:\ SMITH (Jlrickay): I ;o as to give the people an opportunity of cl<'sirc a little information from the 'rrea­ 'fPttmg employment. I say advisedl:" that :o:urcr as to the n1eaning of a. certain para- JUr. Smith.] 900 [ASSElVlBLY.J Amendment Bill. gr<1ph jn il1c tleG11it.ion nf "iruproyculcnt-.·.~' but.· blc to tin1bcr tr;:ltrnent anJ cstirnate Thi, ;, ,, 1 \\' to get :inforLlat.Jon nf ~rr;~·c...:int: ;n of jrnr.r-oYf d value by the r. :_,ardil:g IJ' ,r of definition:- of cf p!"ickly-pcar and to }and, kr:cpi1.1g· the pl ar -clo\-1·E. n:.c::I1:·> app~~r­ '' TL:: court deridcJ th--.t the land had rai11'in;:{ or 111- no nnirnprovc.-! vr.lu ~ for taxa;· on pur­ visible." posr ·,.n How ~ ) a·~' f'3 the valu.; of Cl a nsc 2 a J'l · ed to. ; hnd \Yh:-1.t ,loes 1ncnt consi.-:• cf'? You C1nuso 3---'' A Jp:icution of r~m· ndrnents to huvc heard it}-__:- tc1n1 sr·ction 3 of thr;. 1) inripal Jet a11d Tr>tros~·r:c~ "thint:,·> s·:cn and un ,ceu"; but this fiL·ity:'_ lth th2 "visible or invisible." The Till~ \Sl'HER (IIon, \Y, H, B'nnf's, \Vhr:.t rre ".i.nYisiblc" ir.nprovcn1ents '? If 1Fyr;;1lm): ~\·J prorniscd at tho ;.econd reading land is in its Yirgin state, it i·J obvious thut stage, I quote for the information of hon, that l'lLd has not b(:cn cleared, &Ld has 1~ot members the following memorandum on tho b.-:·cn tilled. If land }J;1s h '·~n clca.r('d of subj,,ct proparc,c[ by the Commib3ionor of timber, the stump\ remoyect, '1nd rloughed, Taxes:- there j _; de(lllitc evidence of vi::.iblo irrtul'OYC­ [3,30 p,m,] r.uents hav1n~· b<;,~n effected; but \V hat Js tho nature of an invisible :n1proYL'llll':Jt1 and '' Thc,c amenJments mav be considered how is an_ invisible hnprOY(\illt~nt g<;ing to together be,,wso they are Interdependent. be effected? licP·V i~ corrt(:thing 1hat cannot Tho arnendnH:nts have beco:no TIC'ccssary be seen to be rnade tangi~J·1e? Ill ,·, ceTinin in consequence of a recent judgment by sphere W--- can di~~l1"-" things tnvis!b1n, and the High Court in what is known ~s the u:n(h:l·:bthd 'i,·he.t is rnv1nt L_y that tc,n:n; but, McGeoch appeal, where the court held Fhcn '' ~ ;:"tr~ J~~aling with f.ncl:'.. rna:~~tial and that the annual expenditure which was rr·UJ;dnnc things as t .. xati "n Bills, we ·w~.tni: nccescary in tho appeal case to maintain thou ughl:~ to unc1._.r'iL~~t-l the 1,.dn·a$e~ L~sed the land free from jJrickly-pcar must be (JllLl i:Pril11Y10l0~Y mllt}(t>,YPd bPJOl'O CH:'a~lHf; trC!n tcd as expenditure on an in1prove­ 1vith the provi:Jion. l want to know how an HH':t~t on or ap11crtaining to the land, and in·.'1siblc inlpTO"· crn"'llt is tu be H · 1_· ~ed. that it should be allov.,cd for when ascer­ taining the u11improved value of the sub­ TRJ~ \Y, The ,SURER (lion, lL Barne', ject h!ld, lF ,, ' 1 u : A the Lee Jcr of the Opposition j~ c~ou:.' [I_\' .ll' -, th~. particular c~auso "In that case the app,'llant had a few rrft ;...; to irnpro..-cnH~nL in r·;srye-ct c.i lar.!.d; J'Urchascd the land with the all cl 1t ~s necc ·-;;.try t·-:> provide for C3 · that rr n an11ual f.:'[pcnditnrA­ wh·;re unseen i1nprovcn1ents v. ill bo rnade. prickly-j;car off th~ land l1""o:;_· t:XalnrleJ l1111d -LOV('l'(_;d with Ill ,ckJ,_ -p~al' n('ccssary. 1n rna.k1ng his pur­ n:J,""·· l•- cleared and put uu.ler thu ploubh, chasl_' 1 ]~,:cd the purcha·:: pricc- having aud thmj 111.1. c ·~1~titute an inyi::.ibLe itnproye­ n ?,a' d Lo the liabi1it~] nlcnt1oncd. IUCLV G ·-·-~~· th·" pt-_ ll' hv.s b>_ en clca:;_'t_ d. •· Th Co11Lmi~~,ioncr of Taxation co:n- I should lil;:c ,.;cL··' -; f~Ed pttrc!L""'e ~Jri-cc so fixed ·pscLt,,d true ini :roved value of the :t,( "l f T ih t];,, land, and proceeded -to aoc Ttain thcJ alt0r;:~' ion iu Yaluc." nnir::.1 1Jroved Yalue of tho land by Jeduct­ fwm the purcha,;o prjco the y, luc Tho T'nr. \.~~rn~,:n: I will oxplain that when to tho ordinar.·,- }mpro-n?mcnts we C'':lll'~ to clan· 3. 1; v·cre on the land. By this prore<:;s ;,; r, ~cOLEY: I no tiC'' that the cc is no Cc ~nmi~·.loner rnacle due a1lovv~nce pro i·c:iuu v, h .·Lhv the Co ·uni ~ioHer of Tuxr-~ for the annu d nutintenance charge n1en- ran re ~sed taxation in of tionr· !, .inaSinuch :::.. if t'l- t charge h_:d thc- vnln' of a not IJ, ···n involved in connr_~· ion \vith the ben \ ulucd bv bnd iJF irnprovccl y·dur \;ould ha,, 0 tho 1.c L O'-"' n valu.utiOn, (Jf teen grcatl'r than the amount which tho wbich nlluntiur the CV.!H_i' h :J b,.... cn .as -~-.:.. d purcbaser fixed, having re ... ard to the for l-·nd t x pnrpos0s. :For exarnple, the 1naintcnoncn charge, and there wou1d L·. nd Court 1na~~ ac~rpt a I!?- an's ya h laticn o~ 1G hrr ve a higher rrs:ultant uni1nprovcd land at a. c ··rL:un h~ur·:: but. If t1l; bale nee --£11, 114--was attribut­ payer contended that the subject land, if nble to i,_nproy~:ment~. it had rever bnrn kept free from pear, " '\ccord~ng to th0 r ·turn furnish0d. t1Je would ha,vc been completely overrun by nnimprOYf'd ;aluc wn shown as £3,255, it, and ;:,ucfore would have been vahw­ and thP lmnro\'(~lnc,ns as £18.995, a largo lose, The court unhelrl this contention, share of the impro.-ements being attri- the Chief J Ltstice dissenting, [Mr. Smith, Sea Carri'1)2 of [ll SEPTE3IBER.] 001

"If the juclo;mcnt y•cre with­ lwt clc .iing with the attcn1pt to ov'. rcome effc t ~~rni1ar wav to this \Yould le in the 'interests lawlownOn: .A person, for instance, mi~..,..ht load io thr- court t~1:tt flt : omo f!lr di~tant date C:':]>:o on a YE'"'c,c}-I am "·wt sugge ting for in the r" the cxncncLd money to destroy a n1on1C"Jt th1t the shipping authorities have a fe~~. no~ious plants or animals ves···C'1 tlvt nro rot scrv. orthy; but. at any bncl \Yhich, if not then or it n1ight happen that in carr::in,:; goods chcckC'd, 1- ould have over­ 1,\ vuld be ru nr6ng various ris>s unless by thP pr:.:sent dab=\ and ·were prohrtod by a Bill like t.hic. The renderr>d ii· valuclr:, :. is on1y foJlow;ng out 'vhat bas been for thC' Connni '3joner of ar_d i;:; Ftill being rarrir>d out in many ha Ye Y 'rhdlv ,, dYi[':cd hin1 that p >'ls of the v orld. I ha Ye already in sn( the (l(\:J~rtrncnt v;ould ha vc th,,t th' (\-•n1mon -.~a1th ' t~·;cd R. PO ur~im·)rorccl value U}JOn \' ~1ich to a.-.scs~~ ':• of Good' Act in 1924. t'- land tax on that land." \:-;: It i~ rnC>rc]y giYing the ~-qne in the State ;tS f'hippers have I clo thi11k I nt_ cl re :d an-.-.~ Inorl'. I am not Jo hide anything, · a11_:;· hon. tlw Common,.-calth. mern~lcr 1Yi~he2, to r~ad tht: of the The THE~i.JUREJ.t: That is exadly the (_·a:-1)! gn c~n the' Co!lHni·· Ion. for the ,,\·ject ot tho Bill. Tho hon. momb. r for awc~H ··Hun I it her·,. Pr-i:·l: J.1H'. Yd10 reprc~ents a. com1ncrcial f'Om­ Li11nity. j,- ~oi?:ecl with thf' irnportant J'II ·. FOL}i;Y (I> ichlt· rd'): I take it that an ]l( in1 ~in cOlUJ.cction wi1h the Bill. the ol,j. et o[ thi clanse is to get at the indi­ vidual '·· ho :-~ttcn1pts to dC'rJreciate the unim­ :\[r. ](IRWAN: I lietcncd om·cfully to what prdYPd Ynln(> of hi:::. 1and bc•c_l,U:3C of noxiou~ you f;aid ycsterdw~;. and, aEhough you did '\~t:l'cJ:_,, J: rrhcre is nothi11g \YrO ,~,. in tho pri:n­ 1;ot ::;;:1.~' rnurb. 1 dc-1-lcf'd that opjnion froru oplc 01. tl1c arnrudn1ent. As tho Trr·asurcr your reJnark::::. po:nt~ out. there "-ould be a :.,ig loss in Th TREASURER: I thRnk the hon. rCYfmuc if this an1cndn:e11t wer,"' not made in TY10H1~JPr for hayjng fo11owcr~ mr eo closely. the Ad. I know of many insta,ccs in ct_n­ The Bill C(in, efir,, L to the rules w hi eh were tral and western dish·icts ,. hero hold·jn~s a r~~onunerldcd ln· the Law Association in few ~~,rears ago \.YCTe prS' cl. to the 111nUer. "\vhjch 1s o:-c of great irnpor­ yr• . .j_l· ~)hoa-rd of sli;1ilar .._ .., in rrgard t::wcc. Th,' lTagHC' rules \Yero dra1.;7n up to to pricklY-pear. I heard of one irstance on -uniform basis. rrnd define a litt~ y;-hilc ago where one individual lessee n pon;;:;ibi1itir-~ and liabi1itif'~ 1 rights, a1lw ,'cl th0 !1f'lr to grow on his property irrnnnnities. Pi:c .. of cJ.rri~rs under the bill& h·<·amc another landwldcr told him th;~t if of 1uding. I kno'; I elwll be out of order he n llo·,ycd it to "TOW he wonld be able to 1f I ,,tart to go into dctni1~ at this stage; n1n k,_, b· ttrr J_ .•ru1s wjth the Prickly-pear but.. if hon. members ,..-ill look at the Lanrl Commiv.,.i_r~n l'~~b: n bls lew;( 0xpirecl. sch ·dLlie. tlw" will flnd quit., <> lot of infor­ That inrliYirluol nwt wit'1 a rude ;;hock. If rnatiou therf. v hich ver.r largely explains 1 s< n' .eh prov-i~ion as this 1.\-"i'TC not 1nade tl r c'Jj"ct of th 0 Bill. Wf' haY0 "\Yho·c ,,·cmld lr .~f'E'~ 1and 'vas over~ ):r. \Y. Fo_hfJ\X S··ITH: As a n1atter of with JH:~t~ pL >tding for a reduction in fad. th0 sc1Y'l1ulc is JT0at: .· than the Bill. uni:tnprovtxl yn.lu!:' of their land, and the nt 'Yon1d thrrch\' lo~e a consider- The TT; r'pori ·cd the Bill ithout 1h~: ~· n as tlL· :D\~dcral a1' ~ndr-1en t.. 1 itntion bei· ,- definitely Third R ".rlincc of the Rill mac!c an Orcler s{: tnrl nt 'ction i_hn .A·~t v. iH not cf ::he' Day for to-morro\Y, '-'l1piy t' the c,lrri 1,!".;'0 oi .!~O ds frmn a port in ;;·1;' ;;+ate to othrr port i11 th·- sam0 ;~:.':ti!'. 'it j, fl- in f1c interests 1 SE\ CARH.I \GE OF GOODS (ST'ATEl c' · lL(' should _-o rnade on,._, 1i1~( ~- i~1·-~icaJe; .-:.Pd J fe,--1 surf' BILL. t lw r t 1L' can·-..:1::~-- of thi~ Bill wi11 r _ndC'r Srcoxn READEG. a o,,,,-t' ·~·,~i(·_• t) d1ippin'r :~nd ~,~·- ·~r~nn-:it ir ·; of St:1t.e. I h- ~ T:'.EASURER (lion. W. H. J3<>rnH. to tnovo-- n l· m) : ._\s I st!ltsd Yl~StPrday, the Bill ,, rr,hat HH· Bin l ' :10\\" r.._ •d :l 3t'·t 1!1cl applies to intra.,tate trade. It does not go tim(•.'' outsick of QucPnsland, but simplv has to do with tho carriage cf (argo frOm port to :-Ir. Y . FC :GA:.J SMITH t;r,ck" 1. ! port in Queensland. I Ptated yesterday that have n ctd thi Li1l YCl'Y {'arPfully, a.nd I the C HnnlOUY r ~ Ith Governmont havt" pai->Cd havl a1-n 11~.:o•:1cd atientiyc•1~r to the ::-p(!PCh a somc•,yhat similer Bill and ihP Governments of thn Tre,:~urPr. The Bill it~clf filh ~u~~ of Ne\\r South \Va.lcs a11d \Ycstern Aus~ w)th m.(!Prt on the part of tlw mastf'r ?I the Bill v:e find a most cxtraordina17 provJ· ship is dcrtlt with yery SPYercly. Obvwusly, s1on- the shipownPr protects his interests by. see­ " There shall not be implied in any ing that the n1a11 he ernploys as c~pta111 ~f contract for tlw carriage oi goods b:­ the y( ;.;5el or in any other responsible posl­ ,, '" to which this Act applies any abso­ t.ion is a man with the ncrc·ssary knowledge, lut> undertaking "-- a.hility, r,ncl capacity to do his duty. The The SPEAKER: Order ! The hon. rnem­ law proLabl,, proYides now that any act of bt:r 1nay- not go into details. ncf'lect on the part of the shrp _rn11ster rs a liability on the owner of the sh:p. If, thc:t :C\Ir. IV. FORGA::'\ SMITH: This is the i ., not the Jaw rtt the present trme, wny 18 vital principle in the Dill. Clause 4 r.o]ieves this Bill being introduced freeing ship­ a shipowner of any liability for the unsea­ owners of liabilitv in respect of acts of worthiness of his vessel---a 1nost extraordi­ neglect o11 the pa.rt of the employees? I nary proposal. 11ost rn"·mbcrs of this :House repeat th-at I hr in the If wcrcb rncan a-~vthin~ at all. clause 4 m cam; j .:st wh"t I sa.\·. I htiVC be on through nin. the Bill and I have been through the The 1o~;~c~ caused b,Y pilfering ~re not to b_e sche,ln]e; oond the clause to \Yhich I have a liabi!ih· of tlw O\vner of a :;hlp, althongll alluded protects ;hipping companies with· nothing i~ said about contributory ncglig.ence out giving a~~y corresponding protcc1·ion to on tlto prn·t of those who control the shrp. consignors of goods, and without regard also ,\n p•draordinary fr 1turc Df the Bill is the to the lives of the indi,-idu..t!s who ma·· be fact that }t con~i~..,ts of ('ight clausr-·:" a~::d a asked to cn1bark on vcssuls that are uJ1sea­ ~~'hE.'dul(~ cf h":c•ntv-onc z'ln.ns( ~ and nino worthy. nrticlcs. ..As a n1n'tte:' of farL, :

schL•dulc of bYenty-on(' clau~- s. Yrhlch will be ho Illlt" he utrri--c1. A1 the san1e tin1e put ns one qnL "_,tion \V hen the Bill is be_ing th" s!:irPc:.. ~ of goods \Yill havp no redrcs3. {_1{1 Jt \~ ith in Conun1ttce. l ngaulst The r~[UE'~CHEH: 'J'hut i:-5 not so. thi funn of draft 1s a B~ll, aml" :!rir. PE \SE: l wa:-; fnrtnnak• enough tD fwh a1• l nilld , ·d the- ·• DailY btRndcrJ n of to-dav. hich art;d0 111 It. \Yj~l bu put l'O~J.t~ljns a verT:- jnteresiing repol't of ,.L _•!y '"·>c·n _2:0 -into P, hut Y(·n-::ion, l'Clh, ....,· r~ting- colaltt·ics, 1 l- .- t•o.;y(',; y-oJll.' r lan~f' of th0 \\·hi eh ' ; 1tl:r:_g 011 n·-;rw('t n.' of 1nore ill:lJnrttln~·e lhnn '. t'I''V tjU( 1tsi·lf. \:ill lw put 'J;o:; ~!YH~ qtu" 'io1~. liYf~..:; ::;::('t Dl~tdc~ !;~1t r. ·ly cas~~ f1 ou1 th:• poiut of ,,llt of :-:liTil-'ing laws of Qucen:::land aft Yic-w of } uhJic 1n favour of the BilL thosn safC'gunrcb which arc necessary. I I fail h.J SL'C' his 1n ~lli.rndu('ing- it. a :k hon. 111C'rubers sitt.1-r:.g Leblnd the GoYcrn­ I r -1nnot unr],-r et and wt- ,v j" h 1_s bPC'll l~ltro­ mcnt-and they corhtitute the majority of duc d. Xo prin('ipJC' I as bt:f'I1 ;:HlrrnC'd bv the Yo1ing po"\vet· in this Chamber-if they ilu:- 'rn chP clutv r••forrcd ! The sole purpose of the conven~ a, a enrnrnon carri0r. lion wail to protect the Plimsoll mark and loading of ships in respect of ships of 150 :uc PE},SE (Hui)(Tf): Like mv leader tons g'ro,-..; rp~isL·r and over with the object T l•JOk upon thl~ Bill (1;.; dang(• ·on-.. to. shipper,: of Pnsuring thd the standard of safety shall "f.·t~nrn. and pn:'.~f'll;J,'f'r.;; and the only prin­ ]J,, J'a ised. Yet we lw ve this Bill brought CipL I httYC' :'n far bC>Pn ablr~ to :--;('p jn it jp, "Jl fol' our con,idcration Plltirely opposed to 7 ~~(\ pri1wiplP of gi\ ~ng- ih0 h:)1o,vn0rs of tho,p safeguard~. I a:;k hon. n1embers oppo­ <.,nL'L'JlS1and g1·eatC'r nght:-; thnn thev po:-scss .~·itu to g]yp "onw thought to ·what that .:if prr~-"nL 1 kno"-· d nd thr TrPas~uer also :nean:'i. "\Y C' hn. vc~ had im;;.tance_, in Qucens­ knfon'. ~urpri~od to find the Tr(':l­ ~ueh a thing. snrf'r, a~ a_ bw.;in( .:;; tnnn. hring·ing in a Bill Slit:!! as i"hi;;;:. T <:'n surnl'isrd tlud the Bill Th" Bill is brouc;ht bdorp 1" m a most '~·1n('h ,l, ~~ n11ly 1IJtrorhl{'f'~1 ~.-rstcrd:Jy. 'Vh('r~ pPculir r :1 ,T in thUt the gist of the Dill }~; ty:> Trr~~lll'Pl' 'l:av.-' only- :t cursor~· cxplaJ1a­ in thP rcgnlaiions, which I notice on scan­ tion1 _of 1i"" pro,T-·'OllS. b·_!s l'(~R,-..hed thA sr'·ond Yllllg arc n1ost contradictory. For example, ~·f'~{l 1 ll£T :-~'1g"<' to-dt'U's the Bill witl' the n it olJJigation irnpo::;::C'd on the :::hipowncr: to make the ship 2l•aworthy. It would ho (~'nCL·rn~~. It ·~ .:lb~o1nl;·l:-;- \·l·n for th0 ~-;r0,-(,'1·~~1n~~~t to ~nng- .c-orw~·rd ~~ P.n Yihl it:t('I'P:--tinL; to koo'Y how that can be don(~ lr regul~tion in vit'W of the Rpccific pro­ ''l.A. ttJ~~- throw 1t. "'' u~ on ·1 nd thrn ('XPC'( t lF' to dr·bah· -jt the n,'xt Yision in c.:lau~(' ,~, 1 t eannot be done. I rose porticdarh to refer to the world~ .~~ikn ~nr 1C'ttclr•r. I h.r~Y:' go1~0 through thP­ 1 "-i, 1P conv0ntion which has con.::;idcrod thi;;; !1-I.t,. a nu UHl ~· Jy 1nat It 1s absc)lUi"f'lv lmtJr.ci_ tnattcr. and to urg1.' hen. members opposite ln. fn.Yonr of th0 ~hipO"\Yncr,:;;.. Thf~ on1v to tbink more deeply about thi3 matter, P:mclpl<' . in it that I bave been able t~ 1 sneiug that the may be able to force tho {l ':CO\t'" 1s th(' prine~plu of protecting- the Trua:-;urer at lea~t to po~tpone the second sl11povvncr ...:. ' readinv. of thP Dill until the pcop!.e ,,f Clawc· d takes away tlw liability for sea­ ()necn:-land hnn' examjned jt,,_, si;,)lificanc ':'. " orthinus of n . f1ip: and it is astounclinr; Tlw ··~amen arc conccn.cd, the shippers of t'? thmk that thee Trca urer should lend g·ood~ are conccrnC'd, but the Treasurer has hrou'{ht in this Dill in t~w lntcrP3t'·~ only of lm.nsnlf to snch a thing. It mearw th11t. if the ShipovnlPrR. ...~·~t th conclnsion of one thJs :Blll is

',nnot be in favour of This to give to the trad- of associa­ _usland ct:rhtin privi­ ',h1r,h hEtYO ,j,,d to th_m to-dav for maite1· lead::; thie. Wi">hout h .. s prac­ lf WC

nor Tilt.' TB·'· -~-GTLH: li0ar, hear! tr.•dcr with s~ick against :;:.nfficient in ·~, Lich r0cognised, of u clairn; yet, trader "~:ho hP

:,Ir. H. :'.I. RCSSEI~L (Toomuul): I am :\lr. II. :l,l. lll~SS:rLL: Under the shipping draid the Leader of the OpjK··ition and the rt .-:·0int is.~w r_l for intrus;_ 1,te goods it is very hon .. ~y:1nbcr fo_r IIPt:bert--to use a col­ 1 difficult to C'cllPct any cL_im fron1 tho ship­ loquta;lS!ll~ar.' .. rmrlnng up tho ,;rang owm?t·: but unclor this 13ill the ship must pay tt'8( ." The ~-afcty of passengers, safet~.· of the all clrtitns that c, be proved in regard to c_·cw, nnd suC'h 111;. Hers ( ol~k >vithin tho da1na 7f' to pillage in transit--those are Ecope of the N aYigation _._!tct; and we are ,·er.' matters to prove-provided the now dealiHg -,,-ith a Sea Can~jo_ge o£ Goods cons:gncP ' his cla1m with:1n three days BilL T~,i~ ~111 j::; :-:iving to the owners of "ftcr-the hoc.'e lJ,ceP landed. g·ood::: certain right::' elat th,_:y have been c'h-. KmY ..\:'1: Landed on the wharf? dC>ni,.. cl FO far. ru1d i:-1 Lrin:;ing our legisla­ tion into lin<' >Yith thac of the Common­ }Jr. H. :H. 1 ~l'SSI~LL: Landed on the wealth and the other 8t~tc;;;. As the Trca­ 1vharf er in the lJU"\ z·"s warehouse. As a. t-ur ~1' pointN1 out, the SeD Cal'riagc of Goods rnatt-'r of f: et, yoll ~an to-day rcn1oye your .-\et of 1924, r-,, eel L_, the Commonwealth :rood:-~ 1 the \Ya·rchouso and put 1n your qov,_•n1 ment! "\YUS r0all~v a confirn-~ation of Linnn three daY"·, and if you substan- bJ; arLn1gen1ent entt'rcd into at Br'J-·-cls tifltc it- the: c~_ti.:!l nnu3t be paid ... in 1922, whc" the I-Ias·ue rules of 1921 deal­ ~Ir. PoLT... cc--::: y,~hat about a consignee, ing "ea carrin.gc of q;oods ·wore v-..-ith the ;::;ay, at Clo:-::1currv "? :·_(!opted by thar confcrr·nc0 o± marlti1ne intore''''· In 1924, the Briti'h Parliament :\h. H. ::;I. RC:SSELL: That is left to the a.t~optod tho rf'COinrnourL-~ions of the confer­ at the pmt. All thPso people have t,nce, and so Uid the Con1mcnvvoalth Govc~rn­ n ( at every port in Que0nsland. mcnt. It was felt at the Brus -cls Confer­ on allL•C that we very much appre- enct) that there was --o1ne ch.n1ce of an inter­ in tr( di1 r:_r rirck;", There is, however, nati?nal ~grccrnent. o:1 .•hipping 1natters con­ , 'lC ;cnoma] ,-et to · ,c rocti!icd, which is this: eerrung ttlP sea. r· 1rn:-:gc of ·~oods, and, in t;J dcr tho ·~l~ippjn~: •J'{''"'oipt the -,hipowner is can~. qnr'ncc, pr·tt ticn,lly cvory countr- 1n rmh: bcmul to clt>liYor r--oods at the ship's t.hu v;orld iniere~h-d in the ea carriaio of tackk~. and if tht good'1 aro absolutely miss­ commerc,. wb,aib·'d to the rules adopted at inQ· i ie doubtinl Y:hother the ship will pay the coufPrence. The Com1nonY·:calth Act of ilw clnim. 'lYe han' a caoc thltt was tried 1924 rep< .1led an Act paf''Cd in 1904. This in tlF' -Victorian courts-l(oane v. .Aus- Bill is .5-ap:)lcment, ry to th tt Act, in:d~much trn li ·H DlC'. mshiD.'·· Lirr1ited. This man as l~1 s·-~·tion GJ of :· 110 {;or;~~:Io~wc _Ith Con~ti­ Lou,"?-11! a p_.rccl or' goodt3 valued at about £74, f 1bun t!10 C':1Inn-:.olr"f"J.1~L GoYernm-,·nt haye and ar'-dying for ddivcry on the wharf the I!U jur~ diction in eonrlcction ith intr:t tate \YCrP not to be fouud. He put in his tr< cl c. :'\ cw South Yl n lcs had :.11 old Act in1 to j~hr shipo\. ncr3, .,, ho replied that ornc tw~ nt~- odd yC>aL ago, which wore not 1i blP. a H1 that under the ship­ to 1Jv Lrou:ht ini-o lino \Yith tht~ thev had to do wa, to Corn.:,!on~.-·eahh ;Jl'Or"•durc. I understand c:: t 'the ship's tackles, and that \re !-ern Australia also has a Se· Gar­ the ~oods were doliver:--d at GooclR Act. This. Bill is a concl·-­ \Y,) aJI thot

con1n1unity appreciates the advent the Fh1p';-:. tackJr. ..:l occurred in this ('a.se, >'till it is hoped that on wme but th2_o ,,·:as no one to take delivery, it · ill be po·sible to achieve and the slnpmnwr slorccl the goods. :'\othinc" can be don0 ';ithout This "\Yas ni1 agreed course, nt the option with the other StrtLs of of the shipo'xner, and if taken vvaq to and other shipping countries of be at the 01-vner's sole ri:::k and expense. ,o that grcat~~r rcspon- ibilitic,:, cn.n on the shouldcrJ of th0 ship­ " Pm-:AnY EXE:\IPTION, ord0r that hon. mC'rnbcrs n12,v of Victoria held ,e to \vhich I hn.Yo rcfcrrcci', for the loss on note's indicnhng the the onu~ -~-·as npon him of the High Court- A" to this " Tho goods wLre sont from J\iel­ :l~)pol1ant. in his 1 to S.:n1ne:y by a stcurner belong~ failc<- ., lv:cqnsc there clofeLdant and, after being· to o7ercome the primary at the 11ort, the goor1 s 0x:ernption that thr Btorage was to be red. at tlH' o ,·ncr's sole risk :1nd exp,:n;:e. In action was h~ud bv the Chief opinion, the appeal :chould (Sir \Yilliam hvine)~ who gave judgment {or plaintiff. ":\Ir. ~J usticn R1eh and ]}1r. Justice " On an apvcal to the State Full 8to.rko also ae-rcccl th' i·, tho appeal should 1 be dismi·.;cd. C onrt h~,., the con1pany, ::\Ir . .Justice J1fann a•,,] ::\Ir. Jmticc Lo,yc held that the " Thr ai,ywal \Yas, b,· & nrtjority of the bill i'f !3;din;:;· provided that all liability <")urt. disrnisscd, with costs, and the lr. tnc ''1PO'Y __ .r cca~,pd as soon as tho mnjrritv jnrlg-mcnt of the State Full :;oocl', v,·crc free fron1 the ,hip's tackles, Court uphe1d." and that if tlw owne•· of the P,nods failed men+: rc;trl thnt to show that, whilst this io take delivery and the goods had to Biil ce{tuinlv rcn1o\ '· 3 rnanv of the abuses b" stored, this would be at the owner's :v.-hich oxi"t.- thhippcr of this }WOYision, th~ cornpany had no thP got<1s could c1rav.' through th~ b~~nk on cl ·fonc<· to the action for non-delivcrv. sn61 bill of lading. inste;,d of havmg to In their opinion, the ''IJpcal should be • ait m.til he receiced tho bill of lading. al 1 m~cd. P.nd the judgment in favour of l:iC"h drmonstrnJcd that th'. good;;; \i ere Kea ne restored. actual!: chipped on ll11t veswl. Those arrh· to this Bill a!o. As I SJ.id ,. BILL OF LADI}l"G. , t 1 .,:~ rnain priYilo-:rc that ~ve obtain 1 :~ 0ir. Ju·cti:e. Isa~cs, iL his judgment, tlw O'iYnc-r of the goor S is that he can s::ud tho prOYlf,JOns In the bill of lading, lW\ eh 111a' d th tt liis clairn be paid by the the O\:·ncr to take dcli '-Tcrv and all lia­ ~hipO\Yn(;r;o.; for ddm 2;0 or r)illag"e in transit b1lity of the cotnpany to~ ~case as soon of his good:, provided his cl :im is lodged ths goods ' ere heo from the ship's "'ljthin thn-.;o davs a.fter tht~ goods h:1vo tarkles, ~ee1ned to be almost uususccpt­ ll '.·n landed. Th~t. condition doCs not exist \VC i?le of t 1·, o ~10 ),nings in their applica­ to-dn:· becausG ha\ e not the lc'"~is1at.ion tion to tbe cucunl·tances. It was im­ in C'nc'. n-::lnnd dealing 1.vith the cnrriage ,:;.{ material to the shinownor whether the ' ood·, intr.,sLtto. The prcoent J.wislation cwnor took po:,·Jec.ion or not. All that npp1iL:, 011ly to goods shipp0d from one Vlas nece:::saty "\Vas to :.J.,scertain whether Stab~ io another bee ~.use the Common­ the goods were freed from the ship's ,,-olth has jnricdiction oncr intot,lllte trade. tackles in conformitv with the con­ ~.fr. Por.LOCK: IIow is the 1r.nn with no tract. The freeing of the goods from agent going to get on? He io to be dumped. Mr. H. NI. Russell.] 906 [ASSEMBLY.] Goods (State) Bill.

;wr. H. 1'vi. RGSSELL: It is possible y( f' cl, nnd if the vc'3~:;cl \Ye re \vrccktXL tc-da v to [!:et through bills of lading from from auv cause whatcv.:~r. the owner- of port of loadin,-( to nltirnato dc:.;tiLatjon. tho cooth could c1aim th0lr value front the ;hipo\\'nt'r on thn gronnd that ho­ :\1r. l'OLLCOii: Arc yon appearing for the wa,rnmted at'. absolutdy 'ea ;orthy rublic o~· for a~ent? vc~ -;cl." Mr. H. :VI. RCSSELL: For the goner t! '' Tf wcro not il .. ;rrtc~cl tho flbip~ publ·ic. O\Yll· r to insur0 the goods to ~fr. PoLLCCE: It Uoe• not a~:·pca.r 20. Pl'Ot'-'Ct ir:: cn>o of lo- ''· The t!tc shipov. llf'r to provide :'.Ir. I-!. :\1. RGSSELL: Tho ob.i"ct of tho y ~~ ;nj stl;l1· nndcr thP j_, ~:in~ con:;;.i~l,'l1C'' Hill tn the; a cbanco to 1011 ... \et. ~\11 r clathP 5 of T(WOYl:r dainB on goods daill'1bt~cl oe pillar,·ed rn< ans is th-·t after the pro- -in tru.nsit; nd it goes Ft long- "'iYay towu.rds of tho Xa1·ig'ltion ,\et hrtve been l\_ abnsc~ mo\·in.-,· one of rhe gn;atcst suffered with th iC ohal! be no ahsoluto thP tr-.ding co... flmunity. \\ hil~- clain1::5 \·:ar1nt('r h1to this discus~ion. ThD onus of her certificate under the :--.iavig

::'\i[l·. \Y. }'oPGA~; P.~IITH: You arc protcrt~ ships. and to all tho'c people ho aro it1Q' ilw own(•r <11l rlght. \Ye• don't doubt in1-lTC ,teJ i~1 of thj kinc1; nor th;tt have tht': a nf t h jntPHtions of lho Gov'ol·~rnicnt iu p.ldic dar cw·,e. :\k 11. ~I. R1~:::t,~~ELL: I snid prcvioush' 81JC''1 ki~-~p;· for .rny~:-·ii.J. l n·ce{vt~d the Bill Owt rhl' ()\Yt]( ]' i~ 110+, gi\?0]} tlllY protcctjo~l \\'ll! n 1 Cr all, a Bill of this description cannot mo at the Hague ConfNence. That conference mm:e properly, within the scope of the navi, was a cunfereJOce of shipping interests. It gabon l.aws or the Commonw!'alth. I hav<' was not a conference of people dea;lt with the somewhat futile opposition [4.30 p.m.] affected by shipping, or people which. has been put forward bv hon. members whose lives were dependent on opposite, some of whom. ai;d particul'!·ly the seaworthiness 1tnd safet., of ships. It was th0 hon. member for Herbert, disclose thei'r not a conference of people v·hose goods lack of lmowledgc of shippin!': matters depended on safe c ... rriaffe. It was a confer­ vener~lly, I h.opc the House w11l support £~ncP of shipping interests. At a conference the 1 reasurPr m the l""' •age of this BilL of Ya rir:us lntt~rnatioTwJ shipping interests so that th0 owncr,s of goods will get a tlrc interests oi shipping people would be gr0at<>r ntt1 H"1Jre of protection than thpy paramount. comequ, ntly anything dealt with have at present. at such ' confc'''nee would be dealt with from the' point of Yicw of shipping com­ (Jtlwra): :\Ir. HAi\iLON The hon. mcrnlwr jLtll1<'~. J3nt thrre aro other interests who has just rf'st~nH!d his scat m;H3f' thP aff< ,·,tcs i11 their bills of lading. whcrch:v it is bct~r0 hon. m0mbers havo had an oppor­ corn pulsorv to i·akc delivery of the goods at tumt:' to stud" the mC,tSlll'C. Anart from the ,bip's tackle. are :tbsolutol:v impossible. hon. In0rnbcrs of this II on se, tho communitv :-.:o ship can clPliver goods at the sl1ip's Lacklc. has had no opportunity to study the Bili. The shipping companies in1po~cd a condition ~o opportunity whatso.over has ·bo''n given \Yhich it i; imnossible to <:trrv out. They to the traders, to the pcoplc, who travel in know that if the con jgrH'0S of cargo were Mr. Hanlorr,. \ 908 Se : Carrir;ge of [ASSEMBLY.] Goods (State) Bil.'.

thL shit_J"s tncklc 10 take delivel'v of goods neither have any int ~rest goods could not b· dolinrcd. • Still the co!npany :'Jor jn nny cc..ncern couTts nr the in their ,v}sdon1 coiJ<'qtH-"tly arn coJ1flnHcJ tho of shipping corn- of all tho con· to l nnder these circurn- 'Ill entitled to pa ·" of time we have Bill and make this Biil l do not sco that it is concc-:.·nj..__.~:!' prc '.:'nt condiL·ions. I be of an:· nwt. rial ady,,ntage to the , mrilv ob!' :eel to accept the J1o u·o ship.s. duusc referred to dw hon. rncrnbcr for Toombul of Opposition, which i-\at sLlte of things e·,T1sts, and that f rorn any responsi­ this an jn111ro-vt U1f'tlt of the position. <' n·ied in any uns0a-n·orthv I " that I should be given the oppor­ ship rcu1ark<:tble. lt muy \ .. ork out r· th~c lll"ke i11qnir_, i 1to tho prc•.cnt con· hon. rJ~oon"Jbul said, but at first ·anrc policy. n 1.:-1<' to <:'Hll11lajn if. aftt~r dnP consideration, as they onld haYP 110 J'('Spon~ibility in regard dw llli1j0rity of hon. r:;crnLc:rs <:1rc in fayour ! o the c::tl'go. of it. :11r. H. :H. HLifnL: The shin must get a { crtific:tc from tlw XaYigution DC'partmcnt. }lr. ll.'\.RBEl~ (]11(,•/o/}(."!f): I want to Pnt ·r ~~l"· forrnal protc~i· against what I :'cir. HA:\LO:\: f'hips go ont and ne> er cnn~id r th' inch~cerlt ha -,t.c o{ the T~reasur:._T (·on1c b;-<'"'k in s11ite of all the ccrtiflc:ttC's the~,~ in wi~hil1'': to pass this Pill prart:cally in a -clrry. A ccrtiEc:'tc frorn the I\avigation fc•w hour Department clocs llOt hold a ~hip afloat when }-{;n-i Pn: 1uH1 ttl Ul~ C'Xp0Tif>Y:CC On SP,1.- aJJything goc~ '""·rong- nt '·C'a. Th1s clause Y(' --(•]:', ~;nd lu~· aequa1ntcd \vith I elie"",r,_::. tlH' shipping con1pany of any a:·ticks, tlw pro"i·cions in this Bill l'f'S/Vlnslbi !lt~T in connect-ion with an unsoa­ ;.;p~·ru t1) lll" tn l'f'ad all rig-ht; yet, in my - orthy ;;;hip, anrl it furthe1· rc1ir)vC's thern of .o:.Jp1nicu, t'it' rrl'0rLS1lrrr ~hcl1ld haxr given nll rcspon ibilit;T for tho n0gleC't or fault of }•on. n~;·mb('l':', H10TC' ti,nc to compare the Bill thnir sr>rY.tnt~. Thi:-- is totallY different fron1 with rl,p ~'~<:1-ir;·ation Act. llo~1. n1cmbers :.hat tlw horL member for ToomLul triGd to ilHYI' not ha·d '-:nfficicllt. hrne to do that. as llldko out. HP ·yie(t to nwko out that ship­ nw Bill ~~-,~.; c dv givc'n to us this mornjng. -ping cutJlpa:nics vYcrr n:~lievcd of responsi­ ThP shipnin~; cm.Hlitions to~day nrr; very dif­ i•ilit., for an Prror of jndf-_ment on the part fl•l"'llt- fT1~J1l '\. h:tt they \Yf'rC' :' cnnlcl he well left out of the BilL rt•r.•ntl \. !-:11'!'0 or f( .ll' ,,\Tecks ha Ye taken r hollC the Trersnrn '.';ill l0ave the Com­ place'. or YC'~'' 'Is lJaYe di._.appPnrcd, which, no mittcP 'stc. :;e nf I he Bill for a \Ye• k or so. doubt-. would La·.-·· ccl.sidcrcd :t._fl :.onably Tho TRE \ :'7-HEH : I ~:'id I \VOU 1J. not take it ''"'">rlhv :Jt the timr wore loaded. On!:: a -f,\V .;il''~ nv:o a called the "\1bert" rill next IYcck. i •fi ~ .::-::t1t:' for SYr1nrY loaded 1:vl~ h c0al. 'Ir. I-l_\?([,()~{: lt \\-ou:J be-· u,n1 'll' :or ihf' RhP 1.'.- _ cnp.;;;.j{1t'l'0L( to 'b· reason a bh- sra- l10JL uc'Jt1 'll<:!P tot-\, on 1-Yith thC' Co1nn1iUl'e '':t~tln·: 1·t. .!!t1 i·Hng- into hlaY" '\c.tthcr. a ~·t,,n·\ on Tuc"-tlrr.--. ,..~la1n- fK•on1 ont,:idc are l)o1, v-, knock0rl i11 h<'r and she s::tnk ·with in" 1'1'0;-f-pd 1n the• Blll-tho~c \vho ship goods ~Ol'H' of cr.:•v. Snmr: nf the cr0\V who

occurrence loft a very in a hliserablo condi­ tl1o mind of a nu1nber ovor the hatches. n:r li ar (1 dof'1:;:-\,·nr' r>rs here ship ran into bad not nctuaJ1,. :;ca1vorthy v;hon or four heavy seas, Agu.in: although a vc'sl'l may were tox-n asunder, the hatches in >LCcordanc;J with iho pro­ and the holds filled y, ith W"' er visions of the Navi()·o.tion .-\et, anothr-r qlleq­ th, pun1p, and one or two tion-a -.;-cry sorious ono. too-a.ris£5 as to \vcre dro1~. qr-d. V'Vbile it rnay be all ·whethe1· has been any nc~r}oct in the to conserve t,hP •n ghts of stowage of cargo; and that is a very ~ llllJ:'f'f'., co.p

1vhcat trUde it w,. s qnitc y a comn1on thing any rCe'SODabJe Inan \VOnld adopt the same for ships to be lost simply because the Go­ at~itudc. I want t<> support the request vernments of that day allowed the wheat to mode [,y the hem. member for Ithaca-that, be shi•1pecl loose in tloe hold, with the result bcfor~ the Biil roaches the Committee stage, that in a heayy j:if'a a Yesscl n1ight very tho Trec:surer should g·ive hon. membe-rs an quickly shift her cargo, and through not opportnnit:,. o£ eh cckin~, the provisions in being able to rcstow, to use a nautical this Bill \Yith the provieions in the Naviga­ term, -he was unahle to do anything tion Act and sl.n1ilar measures. to got back to proper trim. I have heard it said, and I am quite prepa-red to :\Ir. BEDFORD (Wan·r.go): 'l'he Treasurer shttcd that this Bill had the approval of believe it, that cyen in those da0 s the term Plimsoll mark is anathema to some ship­ the shipowners. owners. At any rate, in tht se day:; to which The TRdScRER: I f. aid the merchants. I refer, 'hips "ete sent to sc.t \· hich came within the cat0gory to which the Leader :Mr. BEDFORD : First of all, the hon. of the Opposition rcfl'rred-" coffin ships." gt·ntlom'"' said the shipowners, and then Anything ~~~rJ_s aJlovYcd to go to sea. You he s, id the bu·,iness community. If the simply sigucd up for your £2 or £2 10s. lltt.!rchauts as shivpers .are satisficJ. to have p0r n1onth and ,. foand, :' and there 1vas no tlwir pi·otcction whittled away by clause 4, care or comfort for the crew. Human ·.1i1ich allows shipowners not to provide a nature bciilg wha i it is, I am ·.disfiod that L Ol'tL"~.Y >hip, then the btLirws~ community the majorit:7 of • hi)lmYners and the general cha11gt.:d ~uddenly ancl for tho v.orse. rnn of their sharcholc10rs do not \arc a Une uf ihe conditio11s in all bills of lading eontinm~t d 1\·hcthPr the-ir Yc~<:>cl:l go to sea j.:; tha,t c :en;-:'! ·which is used for careles·Jne::.s, 'vith thC'ir Plin1so1l mark suh1ncrged or not, greed, bad work, and bad ~upervision-an although it \Yas owing to the introduc·tion r~ sting. Bu.<:.·· SLrait-tbhi eh there is no thP sl1ip i~ rcsponf;iblc for lo.--s or d_g1nap;o ucver1tanee of thr tonnc.rgc of carg,) 8hipped C''11-".cd b. "act of God." That iB t,·J be L. tl1e shipper is wrely -m abu c of all found in .paragraph (rl) of clause 2 of .\.rticlo dc.1,lin;.'·-.; in bu :ucf·. .. Ever~ b(,d_y know~· IV. It hns alY' bF-:n a greDt sonr<"c' of ll coast11 ·,' tmmagc i ·hippccl fllTil. iTIC'nt to me not0 the things that God as a:' .• L> inecl by tk' Hailwa:· for. He is blamed if a hlan vets According to the Bill, it would ,l,ot \Yith a rifle. He ic blamed a rnincr shipping ore through the with all h tnd•. There are a Jl cville wonld either have to 1 t1~ou:•and 2..nd one '· 1~ng-s that God is ll]ained H]Jpoint an agc•nt io IJO ab_oiutr ly sure that for. It i.' m'e of the mo-t humcrom of rules ti!u co1·r et '"'i'eig·l1t of or_ sc~1t b\- hiin \>'a', to me. and sometimt•s one of the l·cddest. Jcli\ -'·red, or hG would have to ... be at the Again I cay that there is etill yor:c grave HH:rcy cf the ,shipowner~. doubt as to I' lv:th('r, oven during the pa<>.t rf" dnty countries of tlw world havl':. taken fpw yB

perfectly pr:·p:1rPd for that. to happen, and nahir 11. .a cranky shlp. built likP one of that js ,,-h I h::tYC rnant, whi('h onf' of tliC"-f' days will ~\t 4.51 p.rn., c:o down. In thE ca::_:e of 1he '~ QuirainF," The Cn.umr.lx OF CmDII'l'TEES ("Mr. Robcrts, ;l c 'nr~v sbin 'Yas on1v uuttle :-,table by th€~ Xast Toou·oomim) .i'iievcd the Spc.~ker in the 1hat el;r lw.tl 200 tons of pig- iron in ch.o.ir. bilgl'. ._\ftcr haying sailed these seas Mr. BEDFUJUl: 1 w·, :)l'rfcctly prepared fer tw,ntv-:lYc ve:n·F. saYPd b:;.· roa;;on of for that to huppcn: and, ill o:-dcr to give t1~>' etitt<'Jiing o( 200 tons of l'ig- iron, she the Treasurer smnr•i hil;f.; like a fa 1r idea '" ;~ pnr('hasec1 during thf' war by n frugal gcrdienttul who decided thnt. as pig iron of what J "duallv c!o m<•an. I thi,rk I should exaggerate ~5 p~;r cc11t. n10r0 and t1kc 40 wn "orth £6 " ton. he wonld mak<' £1.200 per cent. ofi for ca,h. ThPrc , re mf!icicnl b,- taking the pig iron out of her-taking the stiff,•nine; out of her. then loaded her perils of the se"' already. Dcspit" the fact H<' that the hon. member for Toombnl sa .. , th>J.t \:_ith ( )~1 for Xcw Z:oaland. ShE' never came pt. .. -:- _:ngcrs aJ-d crow;,, arc aclcqnatcl}- pi·o~ ba,•\;: again. tectcd bv c•. erv claus(• in the Bill. we havP Sin1ilarlv. \H~ hayr~ the case of the "Ata­ still tho · fac: that. "ith the most stringent f'ama." '\Yhlch \Yas purcha::;cc1 b.\' CowliEh~aw :n 'Vigation Ltw~ that Au tralia has yet been Brolhc•, . of SvdlH,Y, and brought from val­ aLl<_-. to de,_-j ... (• in ('Xii'tc'li( thc'T'' haYc' brcn panJ i:.o. v-!Jjl(~ ~h~ was in 'la.lparaiso Har­ cases of ships like th,, " Atacama." the hoi.Il' P..hP ,-,"US bciug pumped by donkey "Yongala," ih0 "\Yaratah,11 and tlH' f'nglne~;;. by :;;b:---~un. by '"inchnllls~ and by "I(omnbar.n "---tlH' three last apparently Jwnd to l: "f'P her afloat. S.hc W'lS sent over well-found ship., Lut who,-, ,.-eaknc• er canH' bac-k. 'l'bt, ,:'! a1·0 c-ircu1n~tances contrRet for the carriage of goods by st:a. '·'hi eh cam:ot lw trifled with just to remove to which this Act applies an,- absolute frcm shiprFmcrs n liabilih for the loss of undertaking b~- the earrier of the goods c·ood~ c1uscd bv thL· sinking of an unsea­ to proYide a seaworthy ship." ~, rtln- ship. It is bad business for the ( joYer.nn1ent to hav-e cnterrd into. and it does So. then, thc.v m ay suppl~~ an unsca \vorthy ,;,_,t matter if it has the approval of the ship. :-:hipping· cmnpanies, ns related by thP Trea­ Mr. H. :0J. RFSSELL: Thev cannot do so :-urPr-- under the Navigation .!\.et. · M.r. IT. l\L Rn;sELL: It h>J.s not; they are Mr. BEDFORD: But ihcv may srppl (llJ.d agninst it. an Ullseav-orthy ship fol' tl~c eurriage of goods. 'lr. BEDFORD: 1f thai be so. I am quite ~ t•rta in that a RiJl to rPn1oYe certain of the Mr. II. ::\1. RrSSELL: They cannot do it. penalti•··' agaiJF;t burglars will have the sup. Mr. BlUlFOHD: Win·. then, does this Bill port of tlw burglars' association. (Laughter.) contain this dausC'. when•in it is stated tha!" :VIr. '\VH::"JHOLT (Ji'assifcrn): I, perhaps, tho shipo,vner n1a~~ supply au unseaworthy Yiew this Bill from a different angle from ship for the' carriage of gcods. or at h'>J.t nPPcl not be guamnteod sea\YOrthy ·: Il1P that in an i.--land continent :-:uch as ours it Mr. H.' :\I. Hr: SELL: It must be sca',vorthy. shonlcl still be ne eessary for the Queensland Parliament to bring in lawo for the regula­ ?.Ir. BEDFOHD: The hon. member for tion of s('il carriage. At a time like this it rroornbul sa vs it lllust be: but cl:n~se 4 abso­ ~ePn1s to 1no to be very neces~q,ry that all extra. lutely takes' >J.\Yay from them any obligation expn w should be curtailed. and one of the to proviclP a ;caworthy ship. ln dl'crt, the a n:nu -:-; for t:'urtailing great expense through­ hon. member sa\,; that the law will nro­ ant An tra1ia. lie~ ia the huge ~.rope that is tf'ct the or crews of pn:::.~eng0rs these ships. O!H'll for n•moving much of the duplication so that, ·with a ship that is unseaworthy, ali a~1d over1apr~ing -f)f our different lawb. I <)'oods llldY ·ucr1:.;h. but. b:"· virtue of fiOifH' Inn" no ff'elings of jealowv towards the ~ucrosant Jrnv~ there will be a guardian angel Collltnml\Ycalth in this re~pcct. because I aboarJ. of tL '; _,.\tnrmna." ;u tiv·itie'. "uch as tho control of lighthouses, memlwr for Toombul think and it s<'cms to me, looking at the. matter na \'ig'at~on la VY~ that the y, ,-wld f.:tOiH a n~asonab1o and comn1on-sense point WC'l't' Hot dictated tn a Yr>rv slow­ of Yiew, that Australia as an island continent thiEk-ing pnoplr-. vdtO regarded n1onc~' more f'hould haYc uniform navigation la\VS. As thnn lifL', :.n;d wC'rP on1:-T fon"_•d tc be respon­ on<: of the construciiYc suggestions which ~ihlc o~- the mal!y tragic happenings right up hav~ lwNI a'kcd for by the Government, I to the tinw of tlw unactrnent of the Plimsoll twg st thai at the next conference of Pro· nwrk? Tlwy Wt'rr. of cour~e. in spite of the 111iers and Treasurers to discuss the serious ~ tringcni- ln\\ alUl in :;;pih· of the marine <'ronomic and financial state of the country i!: ... fH'ctions ir:1posrd. which vre belicn~ to bf' ilw qu('stion should be considered of remov­ ab,,>lutcly holeproof. Thne was the case of ing the duplication and overlapping of ihP "Ata<"ama.'' and there was also the f'ace Fc

I .s l'.m.J l'('rt,tln {.'01Jdition~3. rrhis clause \vill Quection~·· That the Bill be now read a extend proYi~ions of the Code in that 3l'DOIH1 tinJC " (Mr. lV. H. Burnes'.>; ·motion) respect. -put; and the House diYidcd:- Clause 3 agr ,;d to. An;s, 32. 4~--·· .'.,'a rinr; of Gaming .-1ct.-; "- !\.Ir. Annand >:_r, K-~nny }_,_therton .. Kt rr Barnes. G. P. :Mrs. Longrr:1n Clau:. 5-'' Lottcrit s. rafflc.'i, rtc., for r;arnes, W. H. Idr. J'.Iacgl·Jarty 1 haritubl1, c tc., ZJIU[Jo,.,e,'i "- Boyd 1\Iaher Butler Ni:axv·tell :\ll;LLA:\ (Plindcr.,); I would like Clayton lVIoore h) to unt' or th·o Inatter:S in the clause, Co: tello ",~ilnmo uue ~-h1ch ls in connection with pro£-lts. Daniel P-··terf 'Jll lr i-; Jll'OYidl'·.l thai pcnuits shall. not be Deacon H.u~-.-:c'll, H. C..L g.in_ll for a chn1·ity bazaar for the purpo~e Duffy H.u <.;ell, \V. A. Edwards Sizer ~)£ rai,in~ fL~ncL !or pri\ato gain. It is to Fry Swayne llD hopr·d ll:at th' Attorne: -General will Grimstone Tedman en fore,, tha L princiyJc in the administration Hill \l.'alk of the bazaar shall be Bow Kirwan dfalt with. Brassington Mullan Bruce O'Keefe ( ln£' thiiig "hi eh should be safcguardeJ Bulcock Pease more than uts, Hast l'oowoornba, in the clwir.) ·,uch time as WC' fortunately, ran them to CL"u.:->es 1 ,and 2 ~greed to. 0:1 rth und ran them out of the business. In a sma1Ier wny otht)rs got going; and Clause 3-'' ,tmrndnunt of section 234 of the mere £act that: there is in the rcgulation­ thr ~~'clu lulc to 63 ric. _r o. 9-Lott, ri:·:~r.; "- rnah:ing clau ·e power to give ~uch persons ~.Ir. DASH (Jhuul inrtlntTra): This dause ~"Olnt: rPcogni1.ion frmp the profits of art 1)l'OJ10~cs to tun end section 2~' t of the unions-for which, of COUl'SC', p(_•rmits have Criminal Code. C('rtain garnes ure prohi­ bccu nbtained-indicatc>s the possibility that bited under the Criminal Code, but thi, that class of person may be resurrected. l elal1~,2 rankcs any g;:uno legal in connection hope that, in the administration of the Act \vith a fair, urt union, or side-show. I would or the fmming of the regulations under ";k the Attorney-General if that is so. paragraphs (i) and (j) of subclause (1) of The ATTORXEY-GE:\ERAL (Hon. :'\". F. dansc 20. tlw Attorney-General will make 5!acgro"rty, ;")'oath Jirisi)(tl!C): rrhis clause such thiugs impossible for the future. ltas no dfed on section 234 of the Criminal :Nobocl~· objncts to the raising of money for Code, cxn•pt that it provides tlmt. where a bona fido charitable. religious, or educa· lotterv ho.s obtained the sanction of a Crown timwl pmposPs; but we do not v ant these law "(,m eer and such sanction has been '• baagers·Ol)" to livo bv that means, as gr~ntcd under reguh.tions and conditions they haYP done 1n numeroU, instances in the prescribed by this new Act. the exemption past. in respect of that lottery shB,ll not hold good Another point I w;cnt to make before l un1e~--~ thos0 rcgulntions and conditions .arL' rnoYc my an1endrnent is that this clause -complied with. Section 234 of the Criminal mak•. a fundamental departure from the Code provides~ pr. ctic·e of th~ past. So hr as I know, ".\ny person who or)ons, kerps. or uses, nobody has over obtained from the Depart· ' ny place for carrying on a lottery of an;~· ment of Just;ce a. permit for anything other kind whatever, is g-uilty of a misck­ than a raffle, art union. or gues·,ing compcti~ mcanour, and is liable to imprisonment (ion. In m:v time• permits were strictly con­ with hard labour for three years." lined to tho.'e three things, and, so far as A lotter.Y granted by a Crown law officer I know, that practice has been adhered or by the Attorney-General is subject to to by the present Minister; but in this Bill .Mr . .M1tllan.] 912 Art c:nion Regulation Bill. [ASSEMBLY.] Art Union Regulation Bill, he prGposes to uake a departure by allow­ S'1rplus from that sonrce t.c ing pcrrnits to bo giYon for the purpose of I clo hope 1\w .\ttorney­ raising fuucJ-; by n1cnns of art unions, raffiE--'" dcr-.i _:o·t abllUt th' ••_d other npprovod mcuus. l-Ion. n1ernbor::; rni 1ng Day Cei<~- will that pro vi ;icm in (ii.) b:~ariun JY'rrr..it.::. I SP0 of (1) of clauco 5. · r.,)thjn"" with the_ ~\ttor-ncy- will ha'-- e to be vcrv closE?lv wntched or it Ccncr.d ha1 cl to the Au,tralian will lt ucl to g-reat difficulties ·for the adrniuis­ I-~~lbmn~ is \~Ton.O' ·.-ii·h receiving trator of i he Act. It will opc·t the door to uJOl!\. nlCUts for polit~ud purpo-.-·s ') ever: conccjvnble form of gan1Llinc.', subjc.:t. It i;.; · n1attc1·; nobody need buy a of cour-o. to tl1o issue of a permit by the t· .. ~\:f't in <-~ll "l"t U'-ion unl.L h0 so dcc:~irec. Attornc~,-C n"ra.l or othl~l' apnrovcJ officer. ~~ohod:- cull be~ rom}lt !led io .do so. IIe will ~need to cxcrcl~ o the gr~catc"t c~1ution, If a man '.':ishc·: to hC!lp the party by pur­ or ho "-ill find himself iu Yny serious cliffi­ chasing a ticJ~ct in an art union organised cultv if ho al1o1vs "other approved means'' to raioe funds for it, he is lawfully entitled to b.c introduced. to do so. Is that not jmt es lo.udable " I now beg to move the following amend­ method as g€'tting funds from other sources? ment:- lion. rncrnbcrs opposiL: haYo to secure funds ·' On page 3, line 15, after the word­ when going to an election. We have had ' institution ' documents produced in this Chamber showing insert tho words- ihat the Ernplo,·ers' Federation and other bodies in sympathy with them have come to ' or a,ny ~~-bour Day Celebration Comm1ttce. their rescue at election time by helping them financially. If the Government arc there to The .\ttorney-General is familiar with the lPl;1 then, it j, 1m to them to help the Go­ obj•,cts of the proposed amendment. vVe vcrl1nlf'nt. Insurar'ice co1npanics, banks, shi~1- have discussed it hero on previous stages of ping compani>.·,, and all the other big vested the Bill. interests he>ln the Government Partv fund at I hope tho Att:onld do ;;-o; D-,;~:-i~ --};~ld- ~n~.:l~~ll:~-- ~~· ~- -fz-i~~(- ui- ;to~-1~-- 1he: arc not popular ;vith tho people. tak-ing day for unjon · net only iu Quc~ns- to :;::;-~ v jf an art union wcrP laud, but t!n-Gu[.hdit world, aacl to celc- for th.e Tory Pnr-Lv 110\V thPy \Von1d br _.te iht> a{_h "tntagcs secured b:· the ' orkcr3 EOt b•' h sell a· ticket. (Laughter) I the: ',vorld oy,;t·. l admit ths l 1Yill ha,-; sorne "cons:quential bccan',.' th.'ro will not bP ,.nychiug to cele­ am· nchnents to rnove at a later stage. brate. It \Yill be n1oro L1 question of going J'Ir. DASH : I hope tho i1~to ~at ~~:cloth and praTer fOL' a year or .-\ttornc' -G noral Vi"jll acc"pt ·Jnendrnent. t·"-'~'. 1 cunnot h'-'w Government The Torv CovernmPnt of ~ew South \Va,le> ar:._· prepared to f )Hduct "GolJcn fll'O not: ··JJ ho::-+11c to trarln n;lion~qn as the e":~kct ''-following our very good c·xamplc~ Tcrv Ocvcrnm0nt of Qnf'r:m; land. The for rL•venu- purpo~Ps to <:1s~ist balance the "\Vrrr1c·n~ Budget," wbich circulates all lLtdgct. .and nt the sanr~ tjnlF c_•bj· et t') money OYer \ustralia. contair-;; thi5 ar1vcrtisenlent- b~ing rai· by rhe Labour Da~ Celebration Comn1ittc'c n1cans of a T1l'rrnit. ~\lake no " SYD~~EY 1nistakc it. tl1e "Golden CD ·kc:t" i3 ETGHT-IIOUR .'l.RT UNIOX ht~i~-6· run t) a~..;i-;t the GoYornn1cnt to bal.a.nco 12>55-75 A:"l-'\IVb.:HS \RY-1930. their Bndg~:t! If tho hospit J vote is relieved (l'mLll' the Sonction of the Hon. the of n coJJsidnrab1c arnount. of cxp --nditure, tho A ttorncy-Gcneral.) ta.lc of the 'f'rcaS-\lrer in baian.cing the BIGGEST. BRIGHTEST. AND BEST, Bndg:ct 1s tnarlc easier. _':tft::r all, it is not a £2914 TCJT _'\L VALUE OF PRIZES qm''tion for the c\ttorncy-General. but it is £2914. l'l>dly a, qncstion of GoYcrnrrlt"rt policy. II·nv ht Priz , £1000; 2nd, £320; 3rcl, £225; can l11P Gover:r;rnent conclurt the " Golden and :+7 others ranging from £168 to £4. c,bket" and dnvote thr fnnds :'erived thcre­ fl'OIIl tov~·rtr(~S balancing the Budget and at Somcbodv Must Win These Prizes! tho ~amc tirnc olljcct to the rai~ing- of rnonoy · Whv ~ot You? bv the Labour Dav Celebration Ccmmitteo Drawn at Sydne:_: Trades Hall, Novombor h~ nlPfHJs of an art l1nion '? The thing is mo.jt 19. 1~30, at 3 p.m. illogicn l. _\t one time the Treasurer said Rc·ults .-\c!Ycrtiscc1 Sydney. NoYember 2.0. some Ycrv harsh things about the " Golden TICKETS 0:\E :SHILLING EACH. Ca,skct." ·I remember his rising in his place Outeinable up till 5th ::\'ovomber from and raising his hands towards Heaven and a111Pading Tobacconisb) ~8\':sagents, etc., 'aying that tho " Golden Casket" was a or dire"t from menace to the mDral life of the com­ ARTHGR W. Y <\GER, M.L.C., munity; but now the hon. gentleman greedily Trades Hall, Sydney." [Mr. JJ.iullan. Art Um'on Regulation Bill. [ll SEPTE1,1BER.] Art Union Regulation Bill. 913

If that is pcrmis· iblo in Sydncv-and I pmpos' of tbo Bill. I am under the impres­ under .bnd that art unions for Labour >ion that the re 1 on for the introduction of Council, hasc been IF'rrn~ttt:d there for the this Bill is to defeat in any way the Govern­ last sovc-ntv-fiyc , 1.r ~-it ill bccon1es a ment can the purposes of Labour's political Govcrnnwr~t' hcJ'C ~to cut out pennits for and industrial 1novcmcnt. fiow~ organi::",,tions l'i'hich ha~. c been carrying on [5.30 p.m.] e.c :. their feeble effort•. in that for n. nu:11 ber cf vcars in Quccw land. I

\Yhnt is wrong to the party op1_-'os-ito so far as our politi­ with that method of raisn1;;- funds? \\' e cal expcns,' arc concerned. \Ve depend for know that in the past the Labour movem(mt our election expenses upon money supplied has hnd to c' p nd upon the uL:Cms fat their by people oubldc Parliament, who have financial su~port and for voluntary \VOrk int~rcsts to sn,'C bv the return of the duriug clcciio~1s. On the- other hand, \VC Labou1· PaTb· to pcn~·cr. '\Vh0re we d1ffer know that the prcecnt Go\ 'i'nmcnt party from the NC:crybodT,- realises that various of this Stnte the uni)n'' will have to dcrnon­ --,l :..·tions of the community who are likely to strate much more stroligly than they have profit by tho return of any political party done in the past. rrbe r\t~ornev-General to PnrEament <;"ub.sr:ribP the funds ni ~C:'hJry 7 should t:,iYe soJ.nf: rc~t· .)r.~ \Vh~ hl] has cut -and hud"e fu~1dR at th.--.t-for carrying on cut p r~ni1- for art uniOllS in coLnr:ct"!on t~o election camp:1ign. with tho Labo"r movement of this State. The hon. utt('lnan CJUnted one t.as':'· at 1-Ion. n101nbc:rs opposite arc supported by \Vvnnnrn which he co' 'idcrcd showed that people out~ldo v:ho f'"'cploit the working smTic:th!11g took p1aco "-hirh hn_d no right to people iL lho comn1unity. Anyone 1ooki~g take plrrct'. From bat· one can unrlerstanU, at the lrt:;is1ation \Yhich ha~ been passed 111 1.\VO 6q;;a·1is;)_tio1J· an1alg-arnatc.d t~~cir forces this }louse during the period that the pro­ for th~ 1111rpnse of ra1:;;ing f:n1ds. with the sent occup ,nts of the Trcasur.r b-:.'nch('·: ha Ye cor:1rnon Ul-~f'l ~irtnrlillg that tho:~e funds bL<' 11 in pen\ ,:_-r y ill s~ e the sections of tbo eo }liD.nr.itv th:tt are served b-v tho part.y would be divirkd between the two organisa-· 0 tion·< in c\:rb in prortll legislation a ::nee'S". T~I Jcr thos.e circnn1sian,.,e~, \vhat v:as ho'>v it was going to afff~t the great n:a ;s, with tho·:: organisutions C'om~ of the \\'orkirg tlf•oplc of this StaL~-uruon­ pnrposc of ffi8 k.;ng a success ists or cv· n if l.hev were not m .mberP. of of thf' art nnion? The nosition to-d,1," is unions-al ,-} their \\~ir and children. That thr~t the L[llJour rncn-cn1cn~t and th0 un'i(ms \Ya~ n pn.nnnount consideration of all legis­ affili •trd "ith thn Trncl•'s Hall Cf'!rbntion lation passc'd by this party. Con1mittre < rQ drr:icd the \vavf; and n1~ans The present occupants of the Trco -ury of r!1i~;r_r, funds in order th:1t thc~o cele­ bench: fnune their lcg-i:;]afon in rrccordn.nc2 brativF and snort' mav be held for the wlth the desires of ihe pcorlc wbo arc finan­ benefit of their rncncbcrs.' It ill b comes the cing- the.m; con:~cqut'' tl)·, since they have b~en prcs0nt Go"TcrnTnrnt to cut out p~rmits to ir1 po\\'Cr, we find that insl...rancG con1panJc::~, thr :o organi:-.::J.tim"!s at this early stngc in the pastoralist·J1 a;~ot ia~~on•,, bar::ks. trusts, ship­ history of the Governn1cnt. ping cor:1pnnics. and n1ininf!' cmnpanics have Mr. HANLON (Ttluzra): I am not alto­ all rcrcivcd their (~uid pro quo ln rpt·~rn f>Jr gether horwfnl of the A ttorncy-Gencral iho financial supnort thcv p;av,' to tho party accepting tbis am-"'ndn1ent, because I realise opposite prior to the last P]rcbono Th<' that ils a< cop lance would defeat the whole shipping companies are receiving their quid 1930-3 L !fir. H anlon.] Dl.t Art r_;,,ion Regulation Bill. [ASSEMBLY.] Art L'nion Regulrrtion Bill.

pro quo to-clay for their contributions to t 1-day that is not due f_ntirnly to their own the ~Jolitical fu11d. The grJat rnining invcst­ org~1ui8ation and strugglfl::i to irr1prove their U1ent co1npanies rt'cei-"·ed their quid pro quo conditions; and possihl_y hon. n1m11ben; oppo­ in th-- abolition of the ftward to metalliferous ;,ilo owe their prc·.,ont pro3perit,y to the fact rn]ning, rfhe great J 0Il8S j arn trust-thiH J-li..it their pnrent.s \Verc a'','libted by the great tnillionairc concc'rn-which has a strangle­ Labour rnm·cuwnt to improve their condi­ hold upon the' fruit and jam industries of ( ion. i\ e h,, V<' nothin: to bP a"hamed of. d1is coun1r_:-rec--iv nothing to lJu rFoha1ned of as a year in the handing over to the trust of the Labour Govcrl!.nll'11L in receiving thf' assist~ State cannery-its only competitor. That anc("\ of the \.YOrln•rs in bringin.c..S' about the con1pany, in its aunual reports yC'ar after i1HproYcn1cnt that hat3 taken place in educa­ y0ar, spoke against the action of this party tional and indu;trial all'airs. \Yhilc I sup· in attacking the con1pany and interfering port tht• arncndn1ent of ihe hon. n1cn1ber for with its profits. Consel'> It. _\rnenca, England" FrancL. Ger­ in fighting an election. \Ye .arc handice:p­ muny~-cvcrv civilised conntn- 01' the face pcd_ I admit, in comparison with hon. oi the eartll-rccognisc and cOlcbrato Labour mnnbc-rs oppo:;ite fro1n a financial po.i.nt of Da:,-the day wh0n ,;-orkillg people can vir.vv in re;) ani to our election can1paigns; trace the growth of the irnproYernent of consequently it i, a Cl'cdit to this party tlutt condition~ of the working people-surely a \\'C ha \·c succeeded so 1-rell UlJdor the circun1~ ianclable enough object: lf the worker-the s1·ancc;:;. The Govprnn1ent think they arc ]ll'udu.c: fc·J tlwt jt is a shu:ti1C that Labour f?re, it i~ not a qnc-,tion of starling garnh­ ·ni~at-:o!"!.s -whit h ha,·o been holding hng for Labour ])a~· alone. If .it ¥Yore, I Da v c_ ~cbrcttion,, should be would not ask for it. I would not S[l"7 that of \he or cl inary lllG::tns of raising­ it was a y.·ir:o thing to allow an art" union money· bur the e-ffect will not br that thm· fur Labout' Day only; but, since an art \ill llot .a is': 1none}, as th~..,\' \vill put the1r u11ion is perLlitted for 8-0 m.tn:.r other pur- h.~·J~ds i'J. t1Jc1r p0c~~._ts, n; the~'ir bayo done and since this day has Leen recognised l'l; 11t through hi',tory, to Jll'O .-ido for tho every GoYcrnment in Qaeen:::Jand, of \vhat~ lmrn·o.-er cnt of the conditions of \\·orking CY('r politif'al c0lour, eYcr siw 'J \Ye have had people'. From tho educational point of vio,.' a Labour Day, and since these permits are nlonc the p~-.')plc ~> ro dcserYing of anv assist­ o-ivcn in everY State bv ever form of unco t::·1t an_ Gc.vernrncnt can givO the1n. Government fo'r Labour 'Da~· celebrations, Am thil_-C-i worth >Yhiie that society holds to \Yhat is the particular reason which influences to-day Is dne to the struggles of the working this Attorney-General in saving that he will people in the various countries of the world not grant any more here? Greater intel­ to improYe lhcir conditions_ lectual giants than tho hon. gentleman have tried to cripple the Labour movement, and There is nothing the workimg people in this failed_ 'rhis is merelv an evidence of a State, or in any part of the world, enjoy desire to do something to cripple Labour [Mr. Jianlon. A1't Union Regulation Bill. [11 SEPTEMBER.] Art Union Regulation Bill. 915

Day. It cannot be done. No politician can lwn. 'ecrotary of tho Queensland Count·ry cripple it, whatever side he may sit on; vYom n's Association, Muttaburra, to .and the hon. gentleman may as well submit conduc'. rallies on or before 30th Septem­ with a good grace to the people who work ber, 1930, in aid of funds for the Queens­ for a living and who wish to celebrate their land Uountrv \\l omen's Association and -day. Di:-trict HosPital at ~'luttaburra." I,et me give anothf'r illustration to indi­ The• SECRETAHY FOR RAIL'V.tYS: ThTht has Yhy worry about it? kno, .. that the_:,· have received permits for ::\Ir. POLLOCK: I r.m not worrying about rallies and art unions. I am not objecting­ it. I am content to put the case for the to that. It is a good thing that country Labour I'ar\v as best I can, and wait for tho women should be able to go to the coast time when \Vt' shall be able to give the hon. and get rest and change, especially those g-entleman an opportunity of doing a little who wfff'r from the trying hPat and difficult lJit of v:orrying. Ponditions of West ern Queensland. I think that is a perfectly good polio}. I think The THE.\~URER: \_~ou aP distressed. that the latP Attorne; -General, the hon. 2\lr. POLLOCK : I am not distressed. 1nernber for Flinders, issued some pern1its for that purpose. If the Government have The A 1'1'01\KEY-GE~j:R \sso­ fund.-3, 1 c~o r1ot exrJC)ct to ·win tho ear if I buy ciation to 'nab le it \o '.nd to the seaside a ticket for a shilling. I 1norcly know that I 'IYOn1cn ,-.,-ho arc Lrol;eti do\Yn in health, then a1n giving· thcn1 a lhilling, and that there is cxic•nc1 the samr privilco·o to LaLour organi­ a s1inl challt o indct:d of getting anything out '~ ti~'1n.s to enable tl1cn ~'; return n1emb-.·rs of of it. EYerv coutribntor to that C<:Luse kno;,ys Parliament to "cc that th" peopk get suffi­ tlut he has·, Ycrv slim chance of winning the cient to E:1t so that it is urn!ccr ~o;;arv for t.h·_-'n1 It is '"' ·· lo bo negligible. In the o go to tlJ--. seaside io recuperate. - Jldcn the chanc,j of vvinning £5,00J is 10L,OOO to 1 ag-ainst, and 'hon. :mem­ The SECRE1.\RY FOH LAliJcn Al\D INDURTRY: ber~ L:n ~.-..:ork out the chances frorn that. Has that h" ppcned in South Australia, whc,·e l3•.Jt that is !Cot the point. thrro is a La Lour Govcrnn1ent '! \Vhill' 1 do noc objed to art unions or ::VIr. POLLOCK: The hon. gentleman can rafHL·· for thi.- purpo::;-becauso you know t::poak for hin1se1f. I haYc not been in South ::ou are giving the money uway fro1n the Australia for some tirnL', and I do not knov.·, start ancr VOU do not mind it b. CHUSO it is nor does the hon. gentleman know. The going towa,:ds a good purpose-I do object to Deputy Leader of the Opposition has handed "liberty fairs" and suchlik(i organisations, me this letter addressed to the hon. member \\ ith their garnbiing side-shows. Many a for l\1it-·hell- man. woman, and child going home with " Dear Mr. Bow,-I desire to inform l'hei r pay lose their. few "hilli ngs at tbeso you that a permit has been grr.nted to the fairs becau>e they behove they have a chn.nce Mr. Pollock.] 916 Art Union Regulation Bill. [ASSEMBLY.] Art Union Regulation Bill. o£ beating the machines operating. I would conducted for the purpose, but by providing rather go into debt' and pay my own election lorries and goods for us0 in the procession t1 Xpenscs-as I rCpeat<... dly have done-than which is a feature of tho celebration. The accept n1oncy raised as a result of tlF'SG A ttonwy-Gencral has even gone the length con( en~. for in n1any cases it i.s obtained of refusing a permit for an art nnion the from thr,so pcoplP, \Yho, in consequence, have procc,,cls of '·hi eh would be devoted to the had to ll't thc,ir bntcltcr, grocer, and baker enlargunent of a librar, at the Rockhampton y .tit for th ir rno~H:y. I hope the ~Iinister Tr . des Hall. ~'''hat is his reason? The hon. will bke a more rational view of the ques­ gcntlen1an even asked m.e to inquire into tion of the eel• bration of Labour Day and thc=::'nancecl anJ s~.t]Jportcd by 1\ationalists, h\·o or thrC'0 orcasions th Attornev-G--:neral showing tl'.;t. thf'y ar• in s~-mpathy with the ha-. rcf,,n·· d to .an application {hat was Cl~r~braiion of Ei~~ht-Hour Day. rcroivr•d frJrtrr ~ lend th,.'ir lorri"s tnd gcods Da;c. The Attorney­ for nurp?SC cf rnak1ng a display on that nHder i1nprossion th,,t the dr1y tliP ~cod fccll:1g exisLng amcP.g t I\tv ccn11n1itt2,-.s a·1 d the Lab·;ur all s• cri on" of the community on that day. councils ar pc:,"litical i~1~titutions. They are )Jr. POLL0CK: It is the same in every uot. ?\ o E\~· ht-liour Day cmnn1itre'- s or couuh'" town in Queensland. I.aLour cqn~Jcns in ('necnsl~tnd are affiliated. Ivir. ln_:XLOP: The Attorn.oy-Genera! gave \,'ith the Cn(_'PIL'1and Ccntr "l ExccntiYe o£ ?.n ins!--L!_ce \Yhert- the i\u~tralian Labour th :i~n L•bour Part--. Tlw Attorney- Partv brn ·r·l, r.t \Vynnmn ahwed a permit 1nf0llll.'d n:c on the G:rst occa-ion which v- s [(rant"d- to the \Yvnnum b •nd. p· or f~<.nn; but I cnnnot concrive why, pcnnits to in~titutions br·c;~usc that o·,-e in'3ta1JCe of abuse, the t]-~ pnrpo"-e of raising fnnch cht-hour movement should be P;nt. . The hon. g •nt:en1an - fa1r~Inin-l cl n1an on tht~ thrrt Le has been rni ,infol'l11E'-.:l \Yo;!ld tnk0 0XLL'ption to pc; it'on, and I ask hin1, to T1av eclebrdi::n. The trou'.1lc and accept. the n.n1E'nd­ th1t. tb'? i\ttorncv-Gcncral is ]);- !l10Y£D1€llt is :on th .. t a laqir mnont,t of oY·'r b~ all , reat big 'red in bv the art union for . and it, i~:; ·a rathC':r nwan have nnt known the thing for a politica1 pc:trty Dav art union to of ih t~mpomr:- pm. er to y;hir:h has ~·c -~ll in cxist­ ?~nount of nloncv, rnd vYhat r-nco I~or n~ ny ye. n E- en \Yhcn the prr ~nt v. -·~s u~ ·-1 for lnr;dtirnalt• pU'"P,JS:>s, a n1en1l~ ~·r of the Den!wn1 ~ur·h n.:: thl' ( :1n~tnH (~ion of their hall .a~d the inRtltuticn of a librnry. ;:1 l1e did not tnke 0xception p0rnJit.s to Eight-Hour Day Tt. th:> Attor:r:r;v-G0ncrn1 d0~ir-.; to as;;;urc co~nn1ittcC' hn1d art unions. As a n1atter hirn~-.lf s to f :~ · c1c~t1nat~on of th0 proceeds (•: f"ct. th:1t Governrnent even gra.nt~;d a of nlf'~'-; 8 rt. nnions. let hiln tn ke advantrrg'e of the ¥11'nYi'-.o 'vhich nPrmits h1m to call for ~:tc in order to p0rn1it of a trr~dcs ludl 1 Lring built, thn1 recognising that the actiYi­ R. b't '1L 'C--~h·Pt. Th0 pror1nction of a halen c-hnei' ··ho·!ld !)'in the hon. glntlcman tio3 of (he t- ·cl ·, h, ll and Eight-H our f". creel. The hon. g-entleman must surclv know The prt-"-.('Ilt pns~tion :>,n1ounts to fL spl0n0tic thnt snprortcrs of his o-..yn pa rt:v len.d their flttnt'{ by t 11e prt."'' nt Tory Government on aid to the celebration of Eig-ht-Hour Day, a. Lahour institution. That is all that is not only by purchasing tickets in art unions behind it. [Jld"r. Pollock. Art Union Regulat·ion BW. [11 SEPTEMBER.] Art Union Regulation Bill. 917

Mr. STOPFORD (Mount ],[organ): I make tical orgcmisations and the \Vorkers' Educa­ an appeal to the Attorney-General-who, as tional _\ssociation. \Ve claim that the Tr, des an Au,,tralian, should have son1e fairness in Hall is tho home of all workers, whether his make-up-to accept this amendment. ihcv be associated with the Australian Speaking on the second reading of the Bill, Labour Party or not. Every union which I mentioned that the Attorney-General, at a occupi('s a roon1 there nt ed not necessarily most critical period in the history of this b' political in its c-haracter. but they are country, v.rhen harmony is so necE'',sary, is all in a manner involYed in the capital renw-{ing fron1 a body of workers in no way expenditure for ihat hall. At the presct their con1r:1ihnents mcrolv brcnuso obtained from succeeding Government•;, the Govern nent cla.im thet it is a political w·oulcl not hP repudiated, they haYe gone to rrt un1on-and \YC clain1 ~ 1 u,t i: !s not-they the expense of en 'cino- a build­ r~e goiw: to rnb them of the priYiloge they [7 p.m.] ing in this citv ' hich fs a credit huvc enjo:cod for thirty ycn.rs. l\Iore criti­ to the architoZI:ure of the city-a c:snl nf t:1 ~ Labnnr Gov' r~1rncnt Cin'ln~te.d building wh-ich the-: could nrv~-r have hoped from the Tradc~J Hall dming· their fourteen "lo embark upon had thev not been under Yl)ar;:; of o.m' -:: than anywhere else. the impression that they V\:erc secure in rctis­ The TnrAS"CRER: Sec what a service we ing funds bv n1oans of art unions. Recentlv are rendering the>·n1. I toured l'\ew Zealand, where I learned that a trades hall '.;as acc-ept ·d as a public Mr. STOT'FORD. The Govcrrmcnt are institution, .~nd in n1anv instnnces the Go~ not r<'!Jdering a scni-?o at all. I think tho Ycrnmcnt had made gifts of land for the hon. g--ntlcma n is perfectly ho>O( ot in that purpoEc. I do not know whether thcv have L" dof's ~10t bE'1iPve in gan1hling of any al·t unions to enable them to carrv on but sort. and I thil!k both he and the Premier that is the only method of finance tht1t justi­ ar0 fair; but.. if they are going to subscribe fied our Eight-Hour Day committee in 1o the ren10Ying- of the art union pern1its­ it do0s not make an.~ difference to n1c per­ embarking on this <-~peme. ecnailv, as I have no association with the In hi{' sec~nd reac~ing speech tho Attorney­ 'l'rados Hall--- Gen_era, maae a pomt-no doubt a good one The SR:"~TARY FOR Pvnuc LAxDs : You -V\:Ith regard to a particular fair or carniYal eo.nEot deny that it is politic-1l. wh1ch had taken place l't \Vynnum, where, through scn1B secret agreem Jnt, a certain Mr. STOPFORD: The point I make is: amount of i he proceeds had been devoted That th<;> explane.tion given by the Attorney­ to t:Jc A.L.P. Defore the hon. gentleman robs General was that the rnoncv rcceiv( d from the ,.·orkors of this privilege, I nsk him to a cr'rhin function in \Vvri'num for which nwe'hg_;;~r for any year he likes the proceeds ll permit \VaS gtantnd WaS devoted to the of the .!'.1ght-Hour Art Union in Brisbane: \. L. P. That may be so. It is a proper an_d, if ho fin de that any part of the funds thing that ever_,- one of thue art unions raised has been u,ed for political pureoses should be conducted under GovHnrnent ~hen ~e will be justified in the action h~ supervi,ion and that their "balance-sheets IS tal~mg. ·when _the Treasurer and the should he submitted to the Department of Premie: are appealing for harmony between Justice. so that '·' e shall be able to see if all sect10ns of the communitv, it is not fair anv of the monev has been diverted to tho that this privilege should ·be taken from funds of any pofitical party. The informa­ tl;e workers· Thcv do not object to the tion I hav'e received is that it has not. I Ewl;t-Hour Art Uuion because it is gambling. appeal to the Attornry-General, at a time of Thmr only exelanation is that the funds d('pre~s1on like this. \vhen we want harn1_ony, are used for politicrob them of the indirect pos~iblc, when the Government arc taking m<;thod of financing that building. I do not aY. ay from them l:y direct taxation funds thmk the {~overn~ent could have gin'n the which ihcv might devote to the co·t of the matter consideratiOn from that point of view OH' 'lion of the hall. It is going to make l'\o dou~t they want to bo fair, -and no doubt difficuHv at a time of depression, when har­ they obJect to giving permits for anvthimr n:ony should prevail. in the natnre. ~f an art union that ~migt:f. be u 'e!1 for raiSing funds with the object of Mr. :MAXWELJ, (7'oowong): I ha'e lis­ defeatmg them. tor;, d <-.ttcntivdv to the ar!luments of hon. mcl,"bcrs opposit~ the whole trend of which If the Government make an examination in sr<'ms to be that the trade' unions ,,re indus­ r0g·arc~ to any year they like, and find thct trial 'nd not political unions. The hon. a_n:v o, tho money has been used for eoli­ member for Grcp.:ory wanted to know, during tlcal purposes, their present action will be i·Le cm1rsr of his speecl1, why the Attorney­ .iustificd: bnt for a great number of years, General .discrirninatcd between trade unions long before a Labour Government was or tlv Tr«dc,, and Labour Council and the thou;::ht of, Government after Government Countrv \Yomcn's Acoociation. As I inter­ extended this privilege to these bo-dies, and jected ·at t.hc time, there is no analogy ·every lottery has be

Part":-twitt, d the Opposition with having shoul.l bo trade unions only; and, if t.hey been at the back of the movement and get­ c!Psire to be political unions, then kt political ting th,, t huly to use its influence in every uniono be forme·d. I find no fault with that:. po ,,ihle in the interests of the Tories, ""Y ::'11r. I-IYNES: Wh;. do yoq not allow the­ as they termed them. I remember that the late hon. member for Fitzroy, l\Ir. public ,ervants to join a pol1tical union? Hartley, expressed the view that it was ::'llr. :MAXWELL: In tho case of the hon,. nothirw more or less than a political stunt. member for Townsville, instead of " the loud They bavo ('hant;:cd th!'!ir views since then, laugh that denotes t.he \acant mind," it 11nd I am glad to lkM' the hon. member for ~hould b{~ " the loud voico that dGnotcs the Grogory pay a tribute to the association. Yat .mt mind." lJ on. members opposite are That doh not alter the fact, hm" Jvor, that phading a caHso that they lc:ow is not right; there i ·. no analogy between the work of They kno\Y it is not honest and it is not the trade unions or' the T1ades and Labour dcc-;:nt. Council and the Country \\omen's Associa­ tion. f-Ion. rnembers representiug pastoral Let us comic!H the infonnatiun conveyed and other cnuntrv areas know that tl1o asq,o­ to tlw Chamber by the _lrtorncy-Gcnoral. cia tion collects 'fnnds for the purpose of The hem. mcmh lr for Townsville ma-de appli­ enabling women and children in the \Ve•.t to ntion for a p' rmit to conduct an art union. come to tho sco,idc for a holiday, for the What for': Accol'ding to him, for the pur­ purpos0 oi sc:curing the best medical skill pose of )HOYiding a scholarship out of the available, and to provide hospital attention procL·eds of tho art union for some child who for mPm hers. I repeat that thoro is no had not gajned the required examination analo[.iy bdwec n the two bodib, and hon. pass, and \vho~.f' parents \Yere not in a membcrR opposite •lannot get in on the back po it ion to p • y for further education. He of the Country \Yo1nen's ~;\_..-:,..0ciation. a],o poini·cd out tho.~ the Labour Council had Hon. members opposite sily that the Go­ each year t•ntcrh ined tho orphan children vernment arc making an attack upon Labour at an annual picnic, which entailed considerM Day; but they are intelligent enough to able '.:iew tu induring us to :Hr, ); \X \YELL: I hcYo not '>Cc'n hr: fed orgar:.!ft'tti-')l1S are not tht~ Attf•rnc:· Gcuf"•al; but lf I had b~en, ltion :;. I challcng.; hon. "'"' : ' have been briefed by an excellent te to. proY1: th ·t it ha· bcr•n !.;.'f'ntL-rl 11. ;._;H-1 one n1o1'~, ability t1Hu1 '1:' l:WH to get \YOl'k ' L~- h:m. 1nr·rnb0r unlc::;s was a ';._}lbcr Li' ~~~: -You did 11ft~ ~r -t-11-·t IYh~ll he :1 to the C.tbinct.

l\L~ .. :\1.\X\YELL: I ran prove it, and~ when '\l,·. 'IL\ v\YELJ,: I die). Ld me read tlw !h'' tunc nr. iY·- ~. J ·,·j]1 delivt r th~J gcoch. tcL c.::r~1n th t ,. a~ ~irw'd b- smncbodv n n ·ed \Ve n_._e not fonli h c:011.~.th to think that "I-.;-ctt, Box 66, To·,:Es\·i1l0," and a(Idrcf"'Cd th'· org-aniso:io; s v ._·r'\ not. nol1ti( al or~~ani­ t-o tlH~ bon. nv InlJC:l' for To11 nst~illc- Aai:ions and \YLr.? not u cd to 8-'"'"Si~t: t.hG " ITr. 1-T:vnf"', '1\T.L.~\., La~JOUr r·nrt.. I know th ·t !11('11 ·who do not " ParFamr;nt 1-IonRe, l1nld Yi0· ., t1rc ront·- 'Ilu1 to cnn- "I3risb:.nc, Queensland. tribut0 il' Jc U 11ion funds. \Vc lV0rc told thn.t tllc unions \YC'rf' vnt "Could anv Rllrpln·.; ob(-\inecl in art political: vet [I r.:n'-c'· nun1bc-r of them a.ro union 1 rocceds be u~Pd f•:r ~ny other afElintul wit!1 the QLwr-ns1and Labour I'artv. purpoog by L 'boar Council than that stat .. •d 7 Authority r·tatcs gro·--s receipts l'fr. \Y. FORG\C-.: S !!HI: Thrcy all ought to lw. be held in trust for purpose stat0d. Do you thin·k it would benefit council finan­ Mr. :'YL'\XWELL: 8o the hon. member ciallv under these conditions to proc0ed thinks; but I say "Ko." The trade unions with' the art union?" [llir. Jlf axwell. Art Union Regulation Bill. [ll SEPTEMBER.] Art ['nion Regulation Bill. 919

'rhcy did not care so much about the picnic Ilfr. MAXWELL: I was invited by hon. for tho orphan children, or the child who n1cmbcrs opposite to produce the papers from wanted to bo odu''"kd for a scholarship, as 'vhich I was reading. I did so by producing they dlll for recoiying some financial benef1t a lettorgram. That, attached to other from the art union. pcpers, was laid on the table of this Chamber " If :o, would like authority to be and \vas rm.1oved bv the hon. rnember for alter",d drawing to take place 26th .July, }lundingburra, in 'Vhoso poss::ssi,~n it is at and not 31st J\fay." the pre>,cnt moment. (Opposition interrup­ tion.) The Attorney-General was perfectly justified in tight·nsvillc lorlge.l ":th th" _\ttorne0 -General. Lcr for Toowong to take the papers he wants. Hon. members opposite did not ask that it =.\Ir. D.\SH: There arC? no notes of his Le tab 2d ':hc·n the Attcrney-Gencr,d quoted there. fron1_ it. They will have 111 OJ1J1ortunity of rcachng the panc1·s: for the .. \ttornc~.--Gcnera1 ;\Jr. :\IACZ WELL: The hon. member fm· \vilJ bG q·1it(~ del1~ htcd. I am snre," to t the Cha,ir~ uoi!JL of ord :r. Mr. Ho"lerts. The papers man. I will 11se llle rapcrs in nr O\vn -..-r~1y. v.hich the hon. In::::rnber for Toow-ong has in The _\) -CE;;._n:~.L: Put the ,, hol lot l1is pG- ._:--·ion arc p·1per;;: bc]ongin.sr io the on the .._\Hornc -General'· Dcparhncn+-, and are not ,.,.JLC'-5 or his spe0ch ._t L·ll. }-1Y:\"U::: ~:--our ho-..; h~,s told ....-ou to 1 on t _Q t.:blc. The C'T \ IiDL\::\" : Order ~ ::\Ir. Max- :\lr. ;,iA:::-''-YELL: I -111 table' the paper:-;. ~,,·c ll ! (Tl_! paprr~ "cro laid on the tab1c accord­ ::\Il-. :\I.\X.\\'ELL: I ha Ye alreadc- pointed and were rcn1oved thcrefrom bv ]Hr. oL:i,j tlutt t'lnp1oycrs generally have done al1 the hou. n:f'I:nbcr fur :l\lllndinu-burra. t}w~v po·~ -.ibly could to 1nake a sueccss of the '· took C 1 "i1 to his ·-eat on the OpJ~ositiori Ei'''ht-lionr Da;- celebr:tion, both Lv ftnan,, . nc:hcs arnicht Oppo ition ]qught,.r.) C'i~-~l :':-'-i-·.Ltnce :1nd by proYiding n1oi:or lor­ rir , iLTt:kc:., nncl 'toads for use in thoFe The GHAIRI\IAX: OrdPr! I ask hon. cclcLrations. , member_~ on n1~.- lt'ft to allow the hon. n1f'lTI­ ber £er Too·._ ong to continue 'vith his Ppcech. A new attitude has bc<>n adopted in con­ ncct;on ilh this mat:cr. and, instead of . i\11-. Iv:!AXWELL: The only paper I re'd that Fpirit of co-operation which should Is a l0ttcrgTarn, and I take it that that is 0xi t, we have the spirit of c1-:9s-consC'iousness' the onl~- paper -,, hich can bo !.tiel on the inr alcatcd in iho minds of the people by the table.. I want the file of papers, which is clisi'cmiu ·tion cf doctriiw,;.; in thP Labour no\v 111 the hands of ; he hon. D1E- ~nber for prc~s and from th0 n1outh~ of class-conscious lVIundingbnrra, to bo returned to the table agitators spt:akiu~ in the Do1nain and other (Opposition laughter.) I wvs invited by an plncPs. I oppC3e the amcrn1menL moved by h_on. member opposito-(Opposition interrup­ the hon. member for Flinders, and congratu­ tion)-- late the Attorney-General on his courage­ The CHAIHMAN: Ordo, ! and hon. members opposite have stated that Mr. Maxwell.] 920 Art Un;on Regulation Bill. [ASSEMBLY.] Art Union Regulation Bill. is requires courage to do such a thing-in Mr. KIRWAN (Bris/J((ne): The Govern­ introducing a measure \1 hi eh will place these ment in those da:·s not only granted a permit 1natters on a so1id foundation. for anions to be held, but granted a free- hold on •shich t.he Tracll's Hall Com· i\Ir. KIRW A="i (Bri,/mnP): I am pleased ruittro coulr~ err :t a Trades I-lall. rro-day the that the hon. !\.ember for Toowong has had T•rcdr· Hrrll is indebted to the Australian tho courage and the r e1ndour to stato to this Mdual Provident Socioiy for part of the Con1rnitteo the avo'.rcd objc;t of the clause money raise l to cret t th;•.t building, and these in the B-ill \vhich \Ye are no\v discu ,·sing, and arf uuions rro ncc£'isarv in order tv enable on '' hich an amendment has been moved the committee to raise funds to liquidate that from this siLle of the Committee. The hon. debt and meet the e.nnual interest payments. member c!Prlv laid do ··n that the real T'bJ politie:1l n1oVU1lC'Dt has not received_ any LL for _;ittorncy-Gcn.eral framing re.L:~c ih·: this lwndit ~.vliatcver from Labour Dav a,rt un1ons. clau:~e ithholdin_s peLnits from Labour Thcs; funds have b''Un entirely£, Jntrolled by Da ~· :tion con-::nlitb;,_s i3 that hon. of tho Bri~bane 'Tr" des Hall, and ~nc:nbc1·s oppc,sitc b0hcvc they are thereb:z~ u::::Ld fur-tho definite purpo;,e of g-oing to han1string the po1itic d wing of the indcbtodnt'S on that building. the L bour n1oYenicnt. But I would rcrnind the A ttornov-Goncral and his colleagues Tlw SI.?CI'ctar- for Labour and Industry a opposite that th· ~· arc not going to succo~d fe.. ..- min1r:.n~ nio -,.,;autcd to know- ,,-ba~ this in thct [leuticular purpose. As a matter of pal'Lv .cEd ,,.hen wo WC'l'O in po,vcr. V\ h1le we fact, fur more able mLn than they ha>e did iwt "c' >.nplish all we hoped to achieve, aUt'r~ptL~d such a pnrpo'-e before and havo ~. c ·;, cnt a eo )iderablc \V ay in that direction, signally failed. :nd '""re r0 nonsi::•lo for 75 per cent. of the [7.30 p.m.] ewccmcnts tf1cct "ill be on the f,t.-tuto-book when the pr~'cnt Gcvcrnmcnt find them· ·For ir -,t.ance, I eau recall the attitude of soln.i in t"at political oblivion they. are so Bisrnarco_, one of tlw gTcatcst stah~smcn of well fitted to adorn after the people m four the l""'t century, \Vho attcrrlptPd to crush the year./ tirn, have an opportunity of rcc?rding tr,:dc un;on nloY·.nnent in Germany, and - yote. \V 0 h.' ye seen a statement m the failed signally. daily pre·s tb -t tho Government are not going The 1vJn. 1nmnbcr for Too\Yong n1ede a to tho co~:ntry in three years' time. statement to the effect that one reason v. hy it ····as dcsi!·able tn wjthhold this permit was The Sccm.TIRY F8R Ln;rR AKD I:>DrETRY: You ,-;ill be Yery pleased if we adopt that. be"ause c~a',s-con··',ciousness \Vas preached tc clay in contr A to the principles which 1\T r. KIR \V A :;\I : I do not know that I can v, ere en unci Cl tcd by tho early trade nnion honesll v say that I Ywuld be pleased to se.e 1noven1cnt. If Wl 1.vant an exan1plo of the l~on. n1~~rnbcrs O]-fH sit, in th0ir pre~ent PC?SI­ clas~-con~cious spi·rit we have it in the speech tion for a lon:;er term thun that f~r whr.ch delivered by the hon. mmn~L·r for Toowong. th,_".-:~ ,y-~r 8 r-locted. Surely tlu.t 1s qtute There :is no question about his (Jass-conscious­ -,uft'eient to cot1Yince tho grc,t n1a·-s ~£ the nc3s. 'There is re: question 'vhcre he stands, \YOr'ccrs of this St cto that they Ferwusly both jn regard io the trade union movement misjucl::;ed them. and the political wing of the movement. I The CHAIRMAN : Order ! Will the hon. quite renH~mbor, a3 \Yas referred to last night by t1h) hon. mernber for B·rcn1er, follo\ving member dcd with the question before the Committee? lh8 shr drers' ~ll·ike in 1891 and the mari­ tinlG strike of the san10 vcar. we were then 1\h·. KIR\V A"\ : I was speaking in that advised by the gcntlcmc~ who occupied the strain lwcwse I understand that ono of the Treasury benches that. instead of indulging nuin principles laid clown by the Att_orney· in strikes and methods o£ that kind, it would 0:cncral in cvnncction v. ith the grantrng of be in the best interests of the workers of tho .l permits is that they shall be of an Queensland if they selected their own repre· educational yalue. I know of no greater sentativcs so that their voices could be heard necossitv in the educational world to-day on the floor of Parliament and, if possible, than to" educate the people of Queensland on the statutes shaped in a manner that would the Yalue of their action last year when give protection to their interests and put they returned hon. members oppo~ite an_d their ideals into practical politics. placed tho reins of government m therr The SECRFHRY FOR L\.BOUR AKD INDU:STRY: hands. I think a great number of them You did not do it ·when yo'l had the chance. haYe cvorv r0ason to regret that their poli­ tical education is not sufliciently advaneed. Yfr. KIR\>YAX: ThE' unionists at that time accepted the adYico of the Tories, ·who, what­ Tlw CHAIRMAN : Order ! That has eyer may 1Jc said abont thsir ~·olitical views, 1:othimt to do with th<' question before the were far bigger men thr<11 the hon. gentlemen Committee. Surely the hon. member under· who occuny the frrmt Treasury benches or the stands that. hack benClres on the Govcrnmtmt side to-day. Mr. KIR\\rAN: I am encleaYouring to Those men yo.cr in and year out granted poir!t out the neceesity for attending to the permits for the holding of art unions by political education of th" people of Queens­ the Labour Day Committee. Hon. members land at the present time .. I wa.s also sho':"· onposite. when they occnpi0d seats on this ing that one of the mam prmc1ples lard side of the HousE'. \W>re proud of the fact down by tho Attorney-General in the grant· that it was their Government who gave the ing of permits is that they should be for freehold eite O'l which tht' original Trades educational, religiom, or charito?le p~uposes. Hall has been built in Turbot. street. I do not want to come into conflrct wrth you, I1T r. Roberts. Mr. STOPFORD (llount 11Iorga~): Mr. Rnberts, I rise to a point of order. Is the The CHAIR"'1AN Has the hon. member " ·whip" on the Government side in order rnd the amendment? in taking a vote or something while the hon. member for B>·isbane is speaking? Mr. KIRWAN: Yes. The amendment provides that the Attorney-General ehall The CHAIRMAN : Order ! grant a permit to Labour Day cornrnitte"s. [Mr. Maxwell. Art Union Regulation Bill. [ll SEPTEMBER.] Art Union Regulation Bill. 921

The CHAIRMA:'< : Why does the hon. .anybody to a ~k them to do that. Labour 1nc:rnber not discuss it? Councils g"f)nc,·ally spend a fair proportion l\lr. KIR\Y.\N: You may not have seen of the proceeds of these art unions on buying a LalJour Day demonstration in Bric:,bane, ~ivc books, to vvhich tht: working clrsses 1\1r. Rob >rts, but it .;·ot!lcl be .a valuable not have accc'''c if it were not for och:cation for you or anyone elP·O to see. those art unjons. That is one v ry good rutson y·by perr~1its should be grant~·d for l\Ir. HYXES: Ho took part in them once. CVL'J.u, ting the-e a·1nual art unions:. l\~r. KIR\Y \:\": That is not for me to \Yith r r;·ard to tho eh·. ritJblo objects of discuss. I am pointir1b out that L~J:oni· Councils, I vv: h to reiterate that ~trations -\\ ould Le far H10l'O r ·er,,- ycu the Tov;nsville Council have art union \VC'r,_ pcnni~sible ~:\-L~l ;1 pic:nlc to the OlT~'an children in that· it is evid· nt to IT1e that hon. n1c 11bcrs oppo­ ui. irict. (_ .5 _rly lo"};: fol'w.ard to it. It site arc out ~, ith the object of doing all ~. ~ts a in the n1ono;_,Dnous lives the:· po.·ibl,v c .. n, by meal!s lev.cl or other­ of tL _, e children who had not \Yi_:,e, to h -rnstring the politic-·1 Lal1otu move­ t 1!C protcctilL of parcL·:s, nny v;ill nwet a w .ll-mcritccl political doom. Tl!c "'~cTTORXEY-Cm:-:ERA.L (Hon. N. F. ::\iacgroarty! Srnlfh Brisbrul[): I do not pro­ ~.1r. HY:'\ES (Towns1·i/lc): I desire to to acC'cpt th _ .aincnchnr,nt, by reason of rculy to so m·' of the 't .t· mrnts made b 0 rh at tho Labcur Day Celebration thf.' hon. rnunber for Toowong rr"'garding '.·:ill get a permit if it can bring the inciclcmts v hich took place in connection iLs nurpnse wid1in the section of the Act- wjth thP application by the Townsville that i~·, if is fur educational purposes. A Labour Council for a permit to conduct an goo:l _d(~:d bl::'n sai·d about endeavouring n rt nnion. Th11t m:1tter affords very tangible t<' lllJlll'(' Labour nlOVCinent; b4t I am rea··,on-, \Yllv this arncndrnont should be rot ( 1 0~ng n1y job. to please the Labour Party carried. c,;rhin correspondence has been or Lf!bour unions or anvhoL1y else. I an1 rcacl bv tltn Attorne,·-Gencral and the bud­ doi!l ·'," n1y jolJ rs I seo fit." ... ding r\ttorney-GencrUJ, the hou. men1ber for JJEDFOl,D: But :you ~poke in favour of Too\vong, in an endea..-our to n1ake out con :riptioa fro1n tbe samo lorry as Mr. that this art union •m; run solely for the l-in·Jon. purpose of benefiting the fn1ances of the To\nJ!JYille L:t?Jour Council. In the v.,ire Thn VTT0_~---~1~Y~G0::r:\"EP AL: That is a that wa,; read it is statod- 1!('--a .(1·-.,Lb{'l'cd in the manner in which it has decided in cormoetion with this Bill. There lw~~n -conducted lately. is a provision n1ade that all those legitimate expenses shall be cleductc>d from the gras•· :\h. POLLOCK ((Jrc,;ory): I rise to a point profits of the art unions which will be held of ordPl\ nlr. Roberts. Did you hear the hon. "hon this Bill is passed. That indicates that isc! I ha;-e hoard-and I think it is tlw.- could not con.-inc"' me that it w~s for cor'·oct-that, when the Brisbane Trades and edc{cational purposes; and I refused a permit. Labour Council applied for a permit to hold E hon. members opposite s<1w fit to grant their ann1.1-al art union for C'ducational pur­ pennits to the Labour D~y Celebration Com­ poses. the)' were asked to explain in detail mittee irrc":pective of whether the purpose what the erlucJ.tional purposes were; and they '.·:a educational or not, that we> their stated that the educational purposes for bn~in<.)ss. which the art union was to b9 conducted were I ga.-e a specific instance of having t., add to their library. Then they were recei,·ed an application from the Labour Day aBked to give the name of each book which Celebration Committee in Rockhampton. was to be added to the libran-. That is Thcv told me in their application that the impossible. and it wrts a stupid thing for art 'union was for the Trades Hall library; Hon. N. F. 11-facgroarty.'l 922 Art Union Regulation Bill. [ASSEMBLY.] Art Union Regulation Bill. but at the same time they sent me a fac· luwe Leen Minister in charge of the depart­ simile o£ the art union tickets they proposed ment for a little over a year, and little or no to sell. and it distinctly said on the ticket n1oneY has been made bv outsiders as a result that the proccr:ds wore to be for the Labour of pe~rnits that I have g·i·anted for art unions. Day Celebration Committee. There was no If, i\1r. Hobert', ~'OH wanted to hear mention at all of the Trades Hall library. justification for my refusing permits for the,."' Mr. Dn;LOP: \Vhat about Gorclon Crane's Labonr art union·, you had only to listen to the spe,cch< to-night of the hon. member for letter? Flindors, tho hon. member for Ithara, and The ~\TTOH:-JEY-GENERAL: I did not the hon. member for Gregory. The hon. accept their undertaking as genuine, and I member for Flinders said: "After all, what turned dmvn their application. is wrong with a permit for an art union for 11r. POT.LOCK: Doe•, that justify you in ]Jolitioal pnrposf·, ?" Their whole speeches refusing every other application? ('oni·aincd argun1cnts whic,h amounted to an :~,Lni•sion that these permits were for the The ATTOIC\EY-GE;\IER.\.L: It justifies purpose of obtaining funds for political me in refusing any application that I think purpo.,ce. (Oppo•ition dissent.) That is the is noi- genuine and is not for educational only intcrpretnt showing· v.rhat bec·une of the tiol~et indicated tliat the art union \Yas not funds rai"t>d; but there is provision in this for odu-,tional purpose,, I refused tho appli­ Bill n1aki11g it an offence if the JV'rson to c.ction. Any Labour organi<,ation that can '"hom the permit is granted does not furnish ronvince me that an art union is for educa­ a bolance-sheet. tional purposes will got the permit without La't night I clirrloscd to this House a tele­ any hesitation. gTam addrCF ,eel to the hon. member for The hon. member for Flindcrs said that Townsvillo horn i-he Trades and Labour it \Vas a dangerous innovation to inclndo Cv:neil, To\YnsYillo, ,vhich disclosed the f .et the word~ " other approYcd purposcsl" and t~utt y·hon a Lalance~·,ho0t was insisted upon pointE'd out that that was rot practised in they abandoned th,- ido>t of going on with his time. 1 think that in sono re 'pects he the ~~,rt union. That abandonment ,.-:·as due to did grant permits "for other pnrposos." He thr fad thnt the TLtdes and Labour Council said that lw did grant permits for 11olitical could not. b0r1efit financially. If they had purpose·; and to that extent he was not !Jocn gtantecl a.n nnronditiona.l permit. a large adrnini>toring th0 regulations in accordance portion of the funds so raised would have with tho nrincinlos laid do;vn. Last Exhibi­ bc0n naic1 into 1hQ1l· funds. I ~annot accrpt tim'" I g~antc '.1 a perrnit to tl12 a1n bulance t1u~ a~mPndn1ent. The three prjnciplcs for­ brigade of Brisbane to conduct a chocolate which I ha Ye al ,.-oy recognised that art v,·hccJ. That 1~ '' oth0r apprcn-ed pnr­ Hmo_,s ~.lwn1d bo granted are religious, I corr.iclcr ~bn arnbulflnC·' 11~ igadc to ctw"it l"1o. 81111 r1nc:--ttional pnrpo,-::s; ltlld dC'"CI'\-inr; in titution. Thfn, ,.,-ere' it dor·s not nwt'-er "-h_,t the politics of the t the chocolate whcef thcm- a pp11c"~ nts br-if t.hry c:1n conYince nw that PO oEc f'lso v-nu to g-0t any­ the fnnds rnised bv tho art union ··,ill be it; an"~ tho an1hulanrr: brjgadc d:·· otcJ to ~lny o( these thr'3c pnrpo C's a YGrv c:nsic:·~rab!G s1nn of pcrn1i~. •., Jl be t:,rantcd. the flnlonnt. but they }·h·. (J{ L111F(7 y) : Th0 Attorney- it 111acle public. \Yas it not a c,enrr nutde tlw otatcm<:'nt that, although for n1e to grant th, ambnlance 1 he h'~r l-r:C'n infm:nu::-rl th-::t art unions h:1,J brigc de c•.. Brlsb ;.ne t1to right to run a hc~ll ruu for flft.y :'-Cars for Labour Day pur- c: ocolatc ' hc 0 l to augment tJ.,, ir fLmds? J1e ha: 110\V rcfn-:?d a perrnit, and it The hm1. rm m be·,· fo·· Flincl0rs n]so said that not mct'(•r to him whethn thrv had heen he h0pccl ,._ o;tld be cardLtl that the pro- rnn fo1· 150 year'· Ho al'o made.. the state­ nlot~ r' not 111nk .. -. n1oncv out of art ruent th·lt 1~8 h. c1 b8en accused of m.1kinu,' an 1 union:;' ArP~ unpopnlarib· f 1a£ I h::-n~ ~"" rn·_ d ntt·~f'k: on thr LRbotu P<:nr,\~, hut he \-Yas not in adr:tinistrrlng these regulations has been hero to do what the Laho'1r Partv or indus­ bt~ran ·e o[ the fact that I have b<-·-~n exceed­ trial unic•,s wanted, and he woufd do what ingly car-,fu] to preYent people fron1 n1aking he liked. money out of art union-,. On occasions ner­ The A'tTOR:\IcY-GEXE!lAL: VV'hat I consider to son, ha\ c i11dirat.ccl that it vnts nccessr1·~· to be bo•t. have thr n .ishncc of othc s to conduct" art nnions, and to meet snch ra~0-; prov:L,ion is Mr. BIU7CE : The hon. gentleman is a madn in rlnnse 20 of the Bill. BclicYe me. vcr7 WPak irujtation of a lVlussolini. \Vhy th('re arc going to be very strict ru1es, and shoulrl he offer any ohjoction to permits for no person will 111akc YerY 1nuch out of art art unions for tho purpo•-o of raising political unions. V func.l~ if thG •xod~ors of Queensland arc pre­ Mr. MTJLLAN: I know of one instance where pm·cd to ta kc tickets in those art unions with a sta!I of twenty was paid. the twofold object of g-etting something- for them -d-,-es and su;onorting the Labour Party The ATTORNEY-GENERAL: The hon. at elcdion time? 'Ne all know, and it is no gentleman hao not heard of it in my time. I u"' labouring the point, that Trades and [Hon. N. ll. Macgroarty. Art Union Regulation Em. [ll SEPTEMBER.] Art Union Regulation Bill. 923

Labour Councils have been an educational :YJr. DASH (Jiunrlingburra): The clause factor in the commnnit:•. There should be no rc•ads- reason, unle·s it be definitely political, why '· :'\otwithstanding the provisions of permits should be refused to Ti·ades and (_;,uning Act '" hereinbeforo deJined, Labour C:>unC'ils for art unions, oven i£ they ,hall be h'sful for the Minister, sub- are for the pm·nose of raising political funds. to such conditions as n~ay be It is within In} knowiedgc that twenty-five or [ll'""'rib, d, cithPI· generally or m any thirty years ago Kationalist Governments in particular case. to grant a permit on Victoria permitted Labour bodies to conduct application." art union~. 18 p.m.l In Xcw South \:Vales these art unions am Does tlud me; m that these permits will permitted to-day. It is only in Queensland allo\v ga1nc·~ to lw ('arried on which are pro~ th:ct there is a concentrated attack upon tho IJibitecl nnrlcr the Gaming Act? The clause L-1 bour Party and a bitter personal attitude fErther reads- displa;·ed towards the Lauour Party as a .. Provided always that it shall be a whok. \Ye have had the Premier appealing e Hulition of any porrr1it herein referred to us to do '"''ay with part; issues. \Ve to ilwt InouPy, cash, open orders, ordere. have also had the Treasurer nrging that for gdodf\, bond~, or the like security, during this great financial crisis in Australia ,hall not be disposed of by lottery." all part"· issues should be set aside and we \Yill tlwt rlt'iJ.rs: ::\Ir. Jl,dliol·d nnJ ~\lr. O'Kt·d rl1:1.t I \\ ~1 'Jd Ji·,.c." It n1u.)t hr definite. uuio .~ ;, il1 not b- .tllowed to be con­ -.::·rcd for JLOllL'). prizc2. 1'\0ES_. 3'1. l ;ou \V K: arc ufra id then that J\ir. r\nnanrl ~,~r. E:c·rr th i11n,~T Athcrton Dr. J("'l'\Vln •sill his arnaL ur status. Darnes, G. P. Lou"..,n~an ),TT()[E·~E'Y_f~E?-~l,R \L: I am not I3,trnes, \¥. H. ;,rr. J'j_acgroarty of ihing: Lut, whilr I arn control~ Boyd jf:->x·\' ell nt, 1 ill not al1ovv n1oney Butler 1\Ioore nnde1; an' co:-.s:c~r:ration. The Clnyi }ll l\Iorgan the" m re tter in doubt; C''>stello )Iil11mo ' order for a suit of clothes Daniel Peterson it is makes i+- CJUjto definite. DcarJn Russcll, H. l\I. t be definitely siatPd. nur,y Ro '\'/ic·nholt to the hen. gcyLtlcman's o•.·;n state· Kt: tiny Tellers : Mr. Duffy and 'IIr. Kenny, Th0 ATTORNEY-GENERAL (Hon. N. F. ::\1-cg-r.,arty. South JJri.liiLne): It >ays PAIRS. "m·dcn for ;roods"; then le-t them donate \YES. No~~s. thl' s~oods and the prizes will be definitely ~r. C•Y'per ~-lr • .Jmnif:- ~)11 fixed.; but the Bill docs not allow an open Conroy Brand order for f!Ords. If a man gives an order Collins King for two guinea' "ith which to go and get .Tones, A. Carter goods to that valtJO, that is unsatisfactory, Hanson Plunkett as it le

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL: Exactly. within the purposes for which art unions may It must be a definite order, and not an order be conducted. It reminds me that yesterday for two pounds' worth of anything in a shop. the 'l'rc a'Luer agreed that the " Golden Casket" should not be wiped out this year, Mr. D..\SH (i!Iundingbuna): If a man and probably not at all; and the deputation drf1\\'S a prize which is an op('n order for from the Council of Churches was very £2 \Yorth of goods for a gentleman, the shockE'd when he said that manv of the article could not be definitely specified, be­ church< 3 themse!Yr 3 had benefited' bv this cal. 0 a lady n~ight. win the prize; but~ wicked thir:'i; so that, re all:,, the ch:uitable, b:· giYing an order for goods to the value religiou::;, or cduc:.. tional purposes for whwh of so much, then either the lady or gcntle­ the'O art union,; may be conducted urgently nlan \Yhc '\on the prize can get \V hat he or n<~cds doflning. It is. absolutely vvrong to .•he desires. I think that will appeal to the say, for in~i:"nce, that political education good e- nse of the Committee. 13 Eot c dnc':"i.LdOn. ::Hr. I-IAJ\'L0::-.1 (Itha~1): It has ber•J the ,\t 8.12 p.m., cvstorn for businc ~;:, pr'Jp}o donating prizes 7 to art unic,ns or to sporting bodic5 to give :1fr. FRY (TCun. pa), one of the panel of un or cL r for £1 or £2 for goods at their !ernpor~r ..:. Chrrinncn, rclic....-cd tho Chairman O'\Tl There is nothing wrong vrith 111 the cna1r. rhat. Attornev-Gcl!cral now says that nlr. BEDFORD: You sec, I have known ~'Ll1Y pcrso1i ho \vants to ffiake a ca::;cs •: ·hero an art union 'vas so ridiculous, donation of £1 ls. to an art union must ,enerallv that it was run for a prize worth give it in cash for people to spend seine­ 2s. 6d., 'dnd on the clas>ic plan of the bar­ where else. Under the prc,·ent svstcm a maids' raffle-with 1,000,000 members at 2s. 6d. busin' '-s n1an \Yho gives an order on his store n: h-if you c0nld g-et. them in. (Laughter.) for goods c.llows the pHrchaser to spend tho If I·1 thP clas:> of rb 1.ritablc art unions, I ren1ern· money in his ·,_tore. he giv0' a donation ber on0 caoc conducted bv a fcmily, the wife of £1 ls., it is spent in his store instead of in the store of a competitor or being wasted in "\Yhich 1 ... s a. very energetic "go-getter." in any other trivial Yvay. T,he prize donated \Yhcn a. subscriber came back Iat<'r and by a business 1nan n1ight be spent on horse "''kt>d, ·' vVho \YOn the first prize?" She racing, for instance, if given in caf:h, l\1ost said - rvfe son." Then h0 asked. "\Vho busirws:- people givo an order for goods on \von' the second prizf' ?" She said, "Me their o·1yn 8tore, and invite the winner to dauerht,'r." Then he asked, "\Vho won the choose whatever goods in the store suit t};ird prize r' and she said, " lv1e aunt." them best. I have for many years given Then he asked. " \Yho won the fourth an on0n order to an association out 1ny wav prize~!" She said. "1Ie mothcr-in-la·w." on n1v brother's store. As far as I rcmcn1- Then he said, " Who won the fifth prize?" ber, iiny account I have recvived lLtS been ~he s id, " ~1 n littl? b?;\;." IIc sai_d, "}Vho for general groceries which h ,ve be"n pur­ won tho stx:1h pnze f Sho s;:ud, Me chased year after year by the winner of uncle." (Laucchter.) So he asked "\Yho that open order. That is a method bv drew th0 numbers?" and she said, " I did." which busine,s people frequently contribute At hst he asked, "Who held the hat it wa~ tm\ ards charitable associations which they drawn from?" She said, "Me 'usband.' favour. If a grocer wants to give a £1 prize (Laughter.) to a charitable institution or sporting body, I remember another case in Hay many instead of saying that he will give a bag of ~·e-ar.,:; r.go-an art unjon cf a reli~ious na.ture. ~mgar, \vhirh n1ay not: suit the winner, and Whcnewr the local parson dec1d"d that he would not be of much use to a sing-le man needed money-what more religious object he can giYe an open order with which th~ could vou give money for than a pnrson ?-he winner can go to a store and get goods to held an art union. He ga,-e as the prize the suit hi'?self, and the money donated by piano in his presbytery. or whatever other the busmess mall is thus spent in his own name his manse or private house went b:y, store. and strange to sav-God looked after his Every bu•-im···s man is entitled to secure own'-ho l;ad the 'misfortune to win that the spending of the monev he is donating in piano himself three times. (Laughter.) It his own business instead of at an open .,oms to me that merelv saying so do.es not store. 'l'he great bulk of these prizes are make an art union religious, or chantable, provided by business people. Furniture is or educational. It needs de!ining. \Ve have frequently offered as a prize and i3 pro­ lw.d extraordinary reasons advanced by, ~if­ vided by furniture manufactu'rers. A bed­ forent hon. m em hors as to why one tnmg ream suite or a houseful of furniture may be yvas gambling and why another was not. offered. It has never been the case to It is a gamble-a gamble mnch loa·ded insist that the winner must take the furni­ ag·ainst the Govcrnmont-;-for the Go.vernment tuw specifically offered, if it does not suit hl hoc the countr.r, for 1t IS a certamty th~t. him. If a factory gives a dra" ing-room if thev go to the country in 1932, they Wifl suite as a pri '8 in an art union, and so1ne b<) defeatccl, and, in order to make the1r worker who has not got a drawing-room gamble sure. they haYo dccid.-d that they will wins it, he is not required to take a big· not go to t.ho country until two years later. sdtce and two loung-e chairs that would not fit in his small living room; but he can A few monihs ago it was decided, through go to the factory and say, " I would like the mouthpic-"o of the Department of Justice, t0 hlm out the ''alue in beds, or in some that su;h a thine; as a poker machine was a other article," provided that it is an article o·•me of ski!!; but everybody knows that, that the facton turns out. That is perfectly ~vhilo the Labour Government were in office, logical. and winners always take the things we kept tl ose things out of the hotels. As th •t suit them. and that is only fair to the soon as th,, new GoYernn1ent came into office business people. there were " fruit machines" from one end of Mr. BEDFORD (lVaTreyo): It is necessary Brisbane to the other, generally taking toll that a definition should be inserted in the of the wages of the men. clause of what kinds of objects should come The ATTORNEY-GENERAl.: Who said that? [Hon. N. Ji'. Macgroarty. Art Union Regulation Bill. [ll SEPTEMBER.j Art Union Reifulation Bill. 925

Mr. BEDFORD: I saw them working. It prizes of the value of £10 or over be handed was stated that it was a game of skill. oyer, like unclaimed moneys, to the Public The ATTORNn·-GENER\L: Who said that? Curator. A small amendment will meet the ca·-e. A man should not lose a. substantial Mr. BEDFORD: It was stated by your prize because he has not bnen made office, and i! was so published. acquainted of the result of the an union. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL: You guessed it. The ATTORKEY-GENERAL (Hon. N. F. ~Ir. BEDFORD : I did not guess it. A Macgroarty, South Brisbane): Clause 20 (!) fortnight or a month was given in whic~ to -and I :·:ould like the hon. member for remoYe the machines. If the maclunes Itha< a to pay attention to this-provides were. as the Department of Justice now foJ·- admits, of an illegal type, then they " The advertisement of winning num­ should have been dc-troyed, and no• released. bers and the notification to the winner Generallv, the whole proposition of this Bill of any prize." i- all tc.·,., hvpocritic.~l for words. I might Proper regulations will be framed whereby g'Q back to· page 1252 of "Hansard" for it will be necessarv for the holders of win­ 19th Octob0r, 1905, when a motion was ning tickets to be' notified of the result of launched by the late Mr. Wiiliam Hamilton, art unjons. then hon. member for Gregory, to remove the lottery sections of the Suppression of Gamb­ Mr HANLON: Will they be notified by ling Act. Ho moved a motion in this House post f that a Bill should be introduced to repeal The ATTORNEY-GENERAL: I will do sectio1;s 4 and 11 of "The Suppression of that by regulation. Gambling· .\et of 1895" relating to lotteries. The yote w-as taken on 19th October, 1905-­ :\Ir. PoLLOCK: ·when the purchaser is sold Ayec, 14; Noes, 28. The date that vote was a ticket, it is necessary for the correct name taken there 'vas a sweep run in the parlia­ and address to be written on the butt. mcnta17 bu on tho l\Icibourno Cup, and The ATTORNEY-GENERAL: I will seyonty of tho seventy-two members of this ac -;ept the suggestion of the hon. member, House put L\P their 10s. each for the pr·ize uncl make a note of it, of £35. Onl0' two nwmbers \YOre against the propo~::::tl, :mo boing thQ present rrreasuror Mr. FOLEY (Lrichlwrc/t): There IS a 'wd the nthor the late 2\.tr. Adamson. The great decll in the sngg• stion made by the winner as one of the men who had given hon. member for Flindnrs. A visitor to the hio vote in favour of purity and sticking to city purchases an art union ticket, gives his the home. If ::>Ir. Hamilton's motion had address for the time being, and very often been c arriod, it would ha vo allowed lotkries takes no more notic0 of it. He might be sirnilar to rrath.~rs:dl's to return. lucky enoug·h to w'n a substantial prize. If _\little later the Labour Government estab­ 1ve only mako provision for prize-\\ inners to lished the '' Golden Casket," \vhich hon. be no'ificd Ly post, there will be many mr1nbers orpositP dare not remove. \Vhilst instancc< in •,•-hi~h the notiG .::.•.tion will be so1nt,, hon. IYH:·n1bers opposite are publicly returned to the dead letter offic0. If these opposed to it, according to a list confiden­ nnclaimed prizes were handed over to the ti lly mbmiltcd-not to Parliame_lt, bnt to a .Public Curator, he could advcrti .e them dr_:>putat1on frorn t~1e Council of Cl1urches fron1 tin1e to time at very little expense, in which waited upon the Treasurer-it was order that the individual•· concerned may bo shown that the clm1·ches had already partici­ given an opportunity to clai1n the prize. pated. No religious or allegedly charitable The suggc'tion is a ::::onnd one, and could be imtitution objects to partic: paody in aid of which the art Clrruse 11-" JI.'saJ,propriation of f 'nds or prizes "-agreed to. ~Inion wns h0ld. That might be all right m the m a !lee of em all prizes; hut at times Cltlusc 12-" Fraudulent druu·iny"-- there v.·iil be ver? snbo.t >ntial prizes. Hon. members cn.n imagine a person corniug down 1\Ir. l\IULLA'J (l<'lindr.,-s): I think that to Bri~b!li-:!C'. buying a ticket in one of the some additional provision might b,, made many nrt unions. repriring to the bush again, here th -,t, \Yhcre an art union in ,·oh·.:·s sub­ and not hearing of the result for a year or sbnti> l prize<, the dra·rings sl.onld he conducted uud:_:r the snncrY~sion of r.. t;oYt:·rn­ long'er. Fie rni·.vht hear thnt he \\'a!" succf··s­ f•ll in ,-inning a prize of £4QO or £500. The ITLcnt official. Of cours'e, that is thQ practice clause i~ all ri~~·ht in so far as it affects srnall no":., but the Bill makes no proYi~ion for priz< s c;p to £10; but I would sugg·cst that it so far as I can :,ec Mr. Mul!an.] 926 Art Union Reguia.tio,. Bill. [ASSEMBLY.] Art Union R,;gulation Bill.

The ATTORC\EY·GE::\ERAL (Hon. N. F. without the SJ.nction of the Minister. Macgroarty, South Bri.Yith race~. I rlo not know of am appJieation ever having been rnarlo for thit The CHAJR~IAI' resumed the chair. pur-po~f'. :However, iba,t will be illegal. Clause 12 agreed to. Clauf"e 13-" lis in(! junF?; otll- nri c thun as ~Ir. PoLLOCK: Every " pub " in Brisbane 2;rcscribnl by the p· rmit "-agreed to. has o s".""Jl on the 1\lelbo'll'ne Cup, and you huY, proh' bly hcen in one yourself. The ATTORXEY-GE:\ERAL (Hon. N. F. :Niacgroart:T. South Hr.-:sbanc): I Leg to Th·-' ,\TTORXEY-GENERAL: It is not moYo tho follmYing amendment:- pro;-o. ,; to allo1. anything like that under " On 11ago 6, aft0r line 24, insert the iho Bill. follm,-ing now clause to follow clause :\lr. DASH (JIU!uli:~ulmrr''): It is possible 13:- for OlF to be run under this I3ill, because in , 14. Any porwt1 who shall coaduct clu.uc e 5, whi~h , •. e h, n passed, it is pro­ or as::-.i;t or take part in ihc condui...t \·idC'd- of any latter:·, art union. rafile. guess~ " Xotwithstanding the JWOYisions of the ing cotnpetition, or drav,;iiJg of a like Ca1ning _Acts flS hcr.__•inbcforc d<,!Jnod, it nature y,·ithout hrn~jng obtaincrl the simll be lawful for the Minister, subject prcscribPd pC'rmir, in that behalf front tn su<:h rendition:-' as n1ay be prc~cribed, the lYiinist(•r shalJ bo guilty of a_n to grunt r- pf)rn1it." oJ'en('", nnd shall be lia Ll0 to a penalt.f not. cxceodjng fiyc huEdrod ponnds.~' Il i Jl' csiL!e Jl,1inistcr to grant a ne1·tnit to to conduct an art This \Yi11 en_ h1l~ prosecutions to be n1ado ~m~ ,.l, and I presume, is the v.ndc;:!_~ the _._.\et _in:L n ·1 of takjng pro - ,,cli11~-; to run a Jl.lo!bourne Cup, unc!7 tho Cnrr:u~-.1 Coclo_ It "·ill really ] can be done clame. if the Min- famht, o the ,_:-~drnnnst:ration of the Act. istl r so cl, HC'S. ]\fr. ~OLLOCI~: -y

Clause 16-" Illlnister to luLL•,' 11ou·er to "'' ihooo merclv have to pay an entry foe and .issue pc;"mit faT carnivals, etc.''- ground routa!' to the shO\\' society and they will be allo wd to continue; but my intention Mr. POLLOCK (Grcgo•·y): I propose to i~ thut 1::.o such game as tho celluloid ball move amcnd1ncnls on this clause, \vhich -reads grunc to which I have alrca·dy referred, or vcrv arnbio·nouslv and is most difficult to the ganw lib• " Bub," in ~'hi eh little balls follow and~ undo;·~tand. I propose to make• urc rolled into various little holcs with tho clause one tb at anv man can understand, numl·cn: on them-all those devices that are 0nd one ~vhich willneCd no intrrpretation by loadt>d .against the public, and ;vhich aro lavYvers. :..:, anH's of c ha ne ~, or ga1ne:J partly of chance A"fter all, a 1nan who says \Yhat he wants to >t:td partly of skill-shall be played without Bay is generally understood. This clause do_es a pC'rn1it fro1n the l\linibtc·r. 1 1herc is nothing not eDab1e the average man to understand Its in my am·•mlrncnt to include other side-shows, tnE..::tning, nor dol's it <'Over son1c of the fea· n ucl my object i to th:ow on the ?-Iinister turcs that we on this side desire that it should the r<',ponsibility of deciding that no gam­ •.. over. The cl a use ·reads- bling shall take place for pri>atc gain, especi­ " 1'\ohYithstanding anything contained ally gambling in which the public have not in ' The Local Authorities Acts, 1902 to an even~n1oHcv chance of suc>Cesf'. It has 1929 ' or ' The City of Brisbane Act of already bN•n "pointed out by me and other 1924'' or any Act ainending the said Acts :::;pcakC>rs that nun1b-1 r;:; o: ga1nes are being or e'ithcr of them, or llllY ordinances, by­ ( ond ucted at cctnliY.als throughou.t Queens­ laws, or regulations rnadc under the ·ale! lane! as si ~o-shows, but which arc not really Acts or either of them, no person shall ~jdP-sho,vs. and in which the public get no 'onduct a carnival, bazaar, fai-r (other value for th<'ir money. TheY are reallv side­ than a carniYal, bazaar, or fair at which shows which are rm1 largely by a crowd of 110 lottery, art union, raffle, guessing cor:1~ professional garnblers and "heads." \Ve petition, or drawing of a like nature 'Yill iEt<•nd, if noccs.cary, to divide the Committee be conduct •d thereat), side-show, bowlmg on the question whether the people shall be alley skittle alloy, shooting gallery, robbed by thbo people at carni,-d time.s for merry-go-rotlnd, whirligig, _razzle-dazzle, pri,-a!c gain. The clause, if amended as I swing-bo~ts, or any mec_hamcal structure mggc.t. will he cle.tr enough for all people or contnvance for pub!tc amusement or to unrlerstand. It is a vcr\ difficult dause entertainment, hereinafter referred to to uEdcrstand now; but the amendment has generally n ' the soid show,' unle'!_~ ~e been very carefully thought out, and will sha11 ha>O first obtained from the Wtlms­ mak•• tlw position quite plain-that no games tcr a permit enabling him so to do." of chancn. cmcl no games partly of skill and I beg lo move the following amendment- purl l_v of chauc0, can b<> conducted without ,, On page 6. lines 39 and 40, omit the tlw JWrmission of the :Minio;tcr, so that we f'bn.ll he able to have a cl0an-up of these words- shows which ilkf• mOE\V from people who ' carnival, bazaar, f;_;_ir (other than cannot afford to lose it. a'" A great outcry wa•" raised bv hon. members I hew· three amendments to propose on the oppoiite again,i "Liberty .Fah-s" when they ela u .. ,., and, if they arc acceptc•d, it wili then ':Pl'(' conducted in aid of the Lahour Party read- funch JHlC years ago. I entirely con- " ... no lJCrson shall conDuct a carniYal, etirl'l'd in thnt yj,-,\Y. I think it is a bazaar, or' f:tir at 'vhich any lottery, art crin1P tbat pcopl(\ Ehould go to the o ~ho\vs, union, raffle, frlFS:llllg cornpctitjon, or which aro concluctcd maiulv by people who dm,_-:ing of a like nature will b-· con­ re ut in n larr.;·:~ percentag(' of the profit 1nade dllcbxl, or any garne of chance or any at the expcuse o: lTif'~ who lose thPjr "\Yages f. e.mo partially of skill -and of chanre, and have to go hon1e without sufficient to will be conducted for pri,·ato gaill, unlm~ buy the ordinary neccs~ aries of life. They he shall ha,-o flr•t obtainc•d from th" start by inw· ling a shilling, and ultimately lVIini~t- ~r n, pcn11it enabling hin1 ~o to do." lose £3 or £4-mon, than they intended to There io nothing in ihRt whic-h is not abso­ Jose wlJlil th- v started, a.nd rnorc than thev plnin. It'' effect' is that any side­ can afford to~ lose. ?vlanv dolnc>tic diffol:_ which eondnc'-s gan1es of chance, c ...· enre.-. ha Ye oc~' ~rred with ·people ·who other­ (~ ,IJl(\s partly of skill aLd pru J~, of chance, v- ;se liYcd lwppilv becauc-c of the ,,dve11t of ~rty muct ha Ye a pNrnit from ihc ::\Iini''' r. That '' Ljb Fairs " and these parti, ular sido­ i" plain enough, and that 1· pra~t.1cul1y the slJOws, which are n dly the same thing. m .1ning of the clan··'· I au1 not po3ing as a moralist on the ,_1ucs­ C': fi,_ GovERN::\IEXT -::.\J:F.:.\ITIER : 1~ on aro cutting tion gan1bling. I have indnlged in it out side-shows. long enough to knov.' it:; dangers and it··· eYib. Those of ns who t1.ko part in gamb­ l'v1r. POLLOCK: I do not cut tlwm out. I ling ar" able to look aft< r oursdves and :;1:v- that no game rf cha11f''0, or partly of know th ri l;• \YO tako. Thec0 things appeal skill zcnd partly of chance, shJ!l be cnnduct ·cl part:, 1larl:.- to ,':.(_;f~lC11 and chjldrcn, 'vho do ' :t.hout a permit from tho Minister. The not know as nmch about gambling as we do, }\hnist0r nc0d n0t give a pertnit to any of and take risks that they do not understand. the other things which are not p-a1nbling It oug-ht to be our job to remoYe t'Jese risks dcricc:s. 1'ho Bri5banc Citv Council or anv and temptation8 fr0m thcn1. ether council nn give o. p'crmit to condu~t Th>· TRllAScRER: I think you are improv­ ~ide-~hows \vhich arC' not of a g1tn1bling jng iu your older days. nnturo \Vc are onlv dcnJing '''ith gain­ bling de,-iccs in this Bill. We do not pro­ JHr. POLLOCK: I am not like the 'l'roa­ pose in it to legalise all side-shows. They suror, who for many year, objected to the arc n lready legal. and they can be conducted '· Golden Casket" and then suddenly swal­ anywhere. A side-show such as the tattooed lowed it with its 100,000 marbles. I have lociy, or tho fat man, or the skinny woman, ah:..tys been a gambler to some edent, and I can be shown withot:~t any permit from the kn"w the dang·ers of gambling. I seriously M i•1ister or anybody else. Such side-shows commend this proposal to the Government. 111r. Pollock.] 928 Art Union Regulation Bill. [ASSEMBLY.] Art Union R,cgttlation Bill.

Country Party members know ihat these side­ nival usually asqociated with merry-go-rounds show..) visit variou3 parts of the State every or swing-boats. Therefore, there is no occa­ twelve months, and they must know how sion for a permit to run a merry-go-round; those who ronduct them mishandle their con­ but the -clause proceeds to bring under the stituents-farmers and farm labourers. operation of the Bill merry-go-rounds, swing­ Surely it is not nccei•sary for me to point boats, and such things. The only entertain­ out the t:-pe of people who conduct these mollt left out of this Bill is the billy-goat game-• of chance ac1d games partly of ,,kill ru.co-evcrything else usually associated with and of f'hance! Ob liously the public havv a nrni val is included. After all, there is not ally chance. If they raise any objection, ' cm,idcrable f:,nmbling on a billy-goat race. they a1·e usuall:·, bludgeoned. It is a pretty big gamble whPther a goat 1\Ir:· DL.\C ~LcY: The Bill provides the IYiH race or not, no mattor how good he remedy. may bl'. That is about the only pos,ible entertainment that can be held at a carnival :'\ir. POLLOCK: It does not. If the under this clause without first receiving a amendment is adopted, nobody will be able [Xrmit. to tal~' pa.rt in thcs{-; ga1n~s unlc.:..s a pcrrnit The Minister should either accept the is fir -t -ccured from the A ttorney-Gen:Tal. amendment or else delete so much of the The duty de.-olvcoc upon him then to see that clause as will give effect to the amendment. the games that are run are not games partly \Yith the clause as it stands. it is absolutely of skill and partly of chance, but are genuine, impossible for one to say whether a permit legitimate ride-shows. No ono objects to the should be obtained for an entertainment or side-sho,"s whore the showmen have gone to not. The amendment gives thP Minister a cowidcrable amount of trouble and expense. absolute pO\YOr over any entertainment iil The SEr'RETARY roR LABOUR AND I~DlTSTRY: which anv gambling device is employed, and Hm; \'could you defin0 a "genuine side­ no carniYal held associated with gambling show"? devices will be absolved from getting a :'IIr. POLLOCK: That Is very clearly sot permit from tho Minister. forth in the amendment. The ATTORNEY-GE:'-JERAL (Hon. X F. Thu ATTORNEY-GENERAL: 'What about the Macgroarty, South Brisbanr): I do not pro· side-show where the girl hao her head cut off'? po'J to accept the amendment, wh1ch. IS covered by an amendment of which I have Mr. POLLOCK: I have not frequented given notice. such -icle-sho '. -, nor have I had sly peeps I would point out to the hon. member for at the tattooed lady. M' tastes do not run Ilhaca that sometimes bazaars are called in that direction. I sav in all seriousness carnivals. 'Tlwse are sometimes held by the that we al'c nu1.king an honest endeavour to c\mrchcs, and. although these functions Rt'·JC'pt tlu.! rf'sponsib-ilit.y for saying that on]~v embrace a :::tie of work, no ga;_nbbng 1s lcgitin1at.c sid -sho-xs free from ga1nhli:ng \Vill coJ:ductcd thnc.~t in nny shape or form. J\1y be allowed to onerat,, at thr, Exhibition and wiH cxc-n1pt t.uch a carnival, ccuntr:.T rtnliYal~. Thoro is nothing \Yrong ,~_rwr, 01' - tlc of \·.Tcrk, vv1Hl~ Yer hon. lTI!?nl­ \Yith Hl"t. In nn~~ case, o are not going lF::l·s rn.a ""'T call thr-ul. bo prc~vented fron1 n1ovi:ng our an10 .1ehnent to I nn me tl"' hon. member that then• and putting jt to th~ t2st, if the ::\linistcr ,,_ill not accept it. nrc Rnch f.Lirs at v.-hich there is a sale of \YOrk. and a~ternoon tea is proYided. There J\Ir. H.\l-,'LO:'\ ([l!ci('(1): This is the most ~, onld be no g~l-~n1-llinr; in any shape or fonn fault in the whole BilL I do not ['_t a fa}r, and I ~10 not. J?ropose tc 1 think it nccccsarv for the Crown to r"!ain bring t 1ungs under tl1c prov1:nons of tno control of a 1ne1:ry-go-round, p8 rticularly Ad. under a Bill to deal with gambling. I vVith rcrard to the amendment moved bv cannot .:;c ho\v any gam b11ng device can bo th~· hon. 1nernber for Grcgory, I am making associat with the merry-go-rounds or swing­ r! pro-.-isio:l fnr th ~t in 8nctf r !Jart of th? S;tlll·' bor:ts '-hi:'h tour our suburb;::. and country 'Ction cf the I:i]l. The rctson I arn rnclud­ sho\VS during the yeRr. giving plcasnre to i .. lg I'a-;-:zlc-daz.llr's. ctr .. is 1hat 1hcre nrc quite t.ho·: ·,-.-ho ratroni:.,c thr~11. There is certainly "I '" h ich go the rcunds of tho no occn:.:i, n to bring su . a devic ~ \Yithin ...,!1 S. \Ye \Y.ant to kr.o"\V \YhO the rr1 Lr:1i1.'--r of tho G-arnin6 1\ct. I cannot };;; runnjr_g- tl1 :t sort of thing, as there 1~~ n. sec any ronncc1 ion b,,twcen a m:.rry-go­ rc~nonslbilit on the Governn1ent to Ree that rc"l ·d and gamblir~. If the ::\Ii.Lcister does dcoii2 t' take control of such cnt· rtainment; thej_ person", "'.rho arc op r, ting such thjn£,.3 Ds Inc-rry-go-Tnund", :;:win -lJO-'~ts, ctc, are fli r:s IYF)tT~ ··f,-o-rounds and ·m:-tke it ncr~<-sar:: 6 -)ns t--, do ~c frmn the point of vle\v (,f f1t th.- o---·r,r>r to g{ t ~, pr:rn1it to entertain of the ch11drc::I ~- !10 mav 1)articJ- the fY pie, then h" shonU mak that fact fonn of C'l1"C'rt 1•L \V definitr]y clear ill this clnu~c, whirh 1n it~ 'inrn~- t~ p!'CSPJlt for;ll both r XCrnpts ttlld includes rdl tho:o thirlgs within the­ them. The clt~usc is VC'fV arnbi~uous. It hcc11r-e there is cny exrrrph frOIJl the oprratior:s oi fie Bill them, but for the can'i'Tnis. b zna~~--. or fr>irs nt \Yhich no g-amb:l1 ~ dl~\·ices arc ];cld. If a rarnivnl is i\"r. U.\:\'LO)! (lilt rea): The Attornov­ held, ~c- ,c fqrn1 of ·::'rtn-inu1cnt must be Gc;lJC 1l is str:11YJ1n~ the 1rattcr soinc·whllt 1-:iih it. A old r opl< g"dting he pci~ts to the nr·:r "ity for control- rn<1ki110"' so]ernn spccchPs '"' Jl not .r u1crr· -r:o-ronnd"- f'ic. This Bill doe\ not a carnival. rn·~~·ic1 ti-:"''t the 1\finistcr is going to Inrtko Th• A-r·:·nrrxEY-GEX''RAL: A carnivcl might: nrovi,.:on for the s:-tfcty of JY'O_)le \Vho use indurL ''" salo of work. f!nt rt of thi:. '.:'. ~i·_s a mattor of fact, all l\Xr. IIAXLON: You ran hardlv dd1nP is to insist that the loco! .autho­ a fal0 c;· work as a c 'rnival. SurClv it is tJarrv out their rcspcnsibilitiLS 1 as not d :crrd to mako illegal a c0rni,: -1 for at thP rrcscnt 1nornf'nt the responsibility lis;;; thP e·,tcrhil1mcnt of tho people! People , .. ith them. who fJttPnrl a carnival Pxpect some form of The ATTORXEY-GENERAL: After they get a entcrtainm~nt to be held. There is no car- pcr.nit from the department. rJf r. Pollock. Art l:nion Regulation Bill. [ll SEPTEMBER.] Art L'nion Regulation Bill. 929

Mr. HANLON: The Minister is making l\lr. l'OLLOCK: The old poker machine the position a little clea,rer. This clause might not haYe been quite as bad, but it was means that every form of travelling show in a form of robbery, too. The worst feature the country is being brought under the con­ of these "fruit rnachines" "vas that a rnan trol of the Minister, and in another clause the or woman went into a drug store-as they Yiinister takes power to charge the applicants \Yore run in Arnerica-and got an occasional for pennits. Consequently, the only case diviclend of a quarter of a clollar after made out by the Minister is that he desires spending a con.,iclerable sum. They did not to put a tax on every b·avclling sho1Y, irre­ unclerst, ne! that they had very little chance ~pectiyc of vdwther there is gambling asso­ of winning. lt is the same with these gamb­ ciated with it or not. The only justification ling c!evices at the side-Jw·,vs at exhibitions. that the hon. gentleman con give is that he 'Ne do rwt object to them because they are desires to exercise control over such an inno­ gambling devices. \Ye object to them cent kind of arnusoment as a n1erry-go-round becaue2 th~ public ha 1·e no chnnc'e against in order that the safety of tho people who use the people who are operating them. They such a thing >vill be safeguarded. The Mon­ arR cunningly designed to appeal to the ister cxprcss1y absolves himself ill the Bill cupiditY of tho people in the first place, and from anv liabilitv and this is mcc·dv a sub­ they load tlw people to believe that tho0 can terfuge in order 't'hat he can inflict taxation g·ct somcthiug fm· nothing. :::\ot o!!ly are they upon such things as rnerry-go-round::5. designed for that' purpose, but theY succeed 1 in that purpost • If you stop 'a "fruit ~lr. POLLOCK (Gnyory): I am not satis­ machine·• because the public have no chance fied with the ::Uinistcr's explanation, for this then why not stop these side-shows? ' reason: At tt prcYious stage of the Bill the The \TTORXEY ~GE.\'ERAL : \Ye will. hon. gentleman ~aid that art unions and othPr gambling- pcrn1its \YC'l'O f~ritntf'd fol' Mr. POLLOCK: 'l'he hon. gentleman said three purpo~('S only~naruely, religious, just now that he would not. 'l'he hon. rharitabiu, and educational. I ac:ked .at the n:rntlernan changC:.i his mind quicker than a tim<~ if he \Yould sec thnt all lightning··changc artist cl1angcs his clothes. [9 p.n1.] g-ambling proceeds '',:ere diYcrtecl One aegumPnt holds good ju. ...:t a.s rnuch as t·o thr..;c purposes. and he said lhe other·. \Ye arc out to see that the }1ublic "Ycs." I knov; that qu1to a nun1ber of these ilre not robbcd~ and we arc going to insist on pf ople runnjng sid('-ShD\VS \Yill probably be the arncndrnent to t_hro1v the l'C.SpOnf'lbility allowed to contjnue to run side-sho\VS for OH the Go,~crnment. If tho public are robbed, private o-.aln. rrhcy have been doing it for we can then place the blame on the right J ears. :-;houldc-rs. The A·l'TOR~EY-GE:XERAL: Certainly. under Quo tion-" That the words proposed to be this clause. omitted from clause 16 (Jlr. Po/lock's amend­ ment) stand part of the clause "-put· and I1lr. POLLOCK: \\'here is the diffrrcnce the Connnittec di\-idcd :- ' bchvPcn rohbing t 1lc public bv n1eans of ide­ -sho-..vs and by "lib<'rty fairs"? AYES~ 33. The ATTORXIoY--GEXER\L: ·would you ,hut yir. Annand :IIr. Kerr up all side-shows'? Atllerton Dr. Kerwin Barnes, G. P. .:\lls. Longn1an :\lr. POLLOCK: Yc3. Would you Hot? Barne~-, \V. H. .:\lr. Ma1 groarty Blaekley 1\laher Thr' ATTOR~:EY-CExERAL: No. Boyd Maxwell Butler ~loo re :\Tr. POLLOCK: Then >·iO know >Yhcre we Costello Morgan arc. This amendment is mm·ecl for the Daniel Ximmo purpose of giYing the Attorney-Genera! and Deacon P 'ter.Jon Duffy Russe!l, H. M. the Government the responsibility of protect­ Edwards Sizer ing th ~ public nnd S(~eing that they are not Fry s,vayne robbed by gambling devices in side~shows at Grimst0ne Tedman countrv exhibitions. If the arguments used Hill Walker, H. F. Kelso "'ienllolt n

The ATTOTC\EY-CK'\EHAL 1Hon. N. F. The ~\TTOR~EY-GENERAL (Hon. N. F. 31acgroarto, Sonth lfris/)(lnc\: 1 hog- to move Maegroartv. South Bri.,banc): I 'beg to the fo1low1ng urncnclrncnt :- mo.-c the following amendment:- ,, On pag-e 6, lino 42, after the words­ " On page 7, after line 32, insert the like nature ' words- ' An} person who shall conduct or insert the words- aS>ist or take part in the conduct of • or any garne of chance or any game any sh0 1 \-', {>·frned in sub cction ono of rnixcd chance and ~kill.'" of this ,cction as the said show, without ha.-ing obtained the prescribed The clause pwvidos- permit in that behalf from the lVIinis­ " No person shall conduct a carni­ f("r shall b0 g·uilty of an off( nee, and val bazaar fair (other than a shall be liable to a penalty not exceed­ car;1ival, baz'aar, or fair at \Yhich _no ing ono hundred pound,, or to im­ lottery, art union, r~ffic, gues'-l:ng prisonment for any period not exceed­ con1petition, or ch~aw1ng of a h~e ing one year.' " nature will bo COl:Juctod theroat). Amendment agreed to. I wish to add to that tho o rds- The ATTOH.KEY-GENERAL (l-Ion. N. F. ,, or a11y garne of chanC'o or any game :\lacgroarty, South Brisbanr): I beg to move of n1ixed cha.nce and skill.'' the followimi amendment:- I do not ,yant to intr~rfcn~ \vith s_uch an1~1se~ -• On pa~o 7, line 40, PITJit the word­ ments, because ,there is no g-amb!Jnp: I Just ' pcrn1it' h,:ut to 1nako 1t fr(·O h·on1 any arntJlgUity. and insert iL lieu thereof the \Yord- :Ylr. l'OLLOCK (Grcgory): \Ye have no ' notification.' " objection to thB amendment, although rt does not go as far tts our an1_c~1dntent. lt rnerely An1endnH:nt agreed to. gives the Minister the power to grant Cluusc 16, as amended, agreed lo. pern1its \vith rersard to g~une~ partly blc> tbat the ;-,linistct· should l\Iini:)L£'1' a perruit enabling hirn so to 1nx 1noncy~~ rontribut('d to eh a ritablc, reli­ do." ~icm~, or educatirnul institutions. That will exclude ,v:,at the hon. rnembcr Mr. BLAC'KLU : ~ ot ,.wre than £lOO? objected to; but in his amendment he was cutting- out yariou; other things, such as Mr. IIAXLO='J : Th'· more money that is merry-g-o-rounds, which I YYantcd tn inc1ude. contributed to '.uch objects the bdtcr. If I am merely adding to his a mcndrnent. the pcoplr' eo~ tribute to such objects more ihan £100--c,-cn if it be £1,000-it is all 1\Ir. PoLLOGK: Does this mean that any the more to their credit. People YYIJO are in fonn of gambling whatever, or any garne a position to contribute to such institutions which is partly of skill and partly of chance, Uo 11ot do the1r duty, and in the! great cannot be conducted in anv carnival in the 1najority of cases the onus of rr1aintaining State unless v;,rith your pe~r1nission? thrrn falls on the poorer cla ws of the ("Ormnnnit.v. In oth0-r conntric-J the wealthy The ATTORNEY-GENERAL: Absolutely. sPrtion of the c1rnn1nnirv contrjbutcs con­ Amendment (Jlr. Jlacgroarty) agreed to. siderable anwunts for the rnaintenancc of [Hon. N. F. JJ!lacgroarty. [1:2 SEPTEMBER.] Questions. 931

<'harinrblc r.t:d pc_1ucntioLa1 irs;ih:tion". That i2 a H)r;; ra1·e occufi'l'llCe 1n this country. At 9.25 p.m., The CILURMAN: L:nkr the provisions of Scs:-,ion al Order agreed to by the :House on 29th Julv lasc. l ehall now ]c,wo the chair and rnUkc :::ny report to the :House. Tho I-Ious) l'C:51.UnC'd. The CHAUDIAX reported p~·ogrc .s. H<'«unrpt·ioll of Cornrnlrt: 8 rn.ad' an Order of the Day for to-uwn·o1v. The House adjourned at 9.26 p.m.