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House of Lords Official Report Vol. 735 Tuesday No. 276 6 March 2012 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) HOUSE OF LORDS OFFICIAL REPORT ORDER OF BUSINESS Questions Railways: Great Western Franchise Universities: Anti-Semitism Universities: European Languages Gypsies and Travellers Business of the House Motion on Standing Orders Schools (Specification and Disposal of Articles) Regulations 2012 Alternative Provision Academies (Consequential Amendments to Acts) (England) Order 2012 Children Act 2004 Information Database (England) (Revocation) Regulations 2012 Pneumoconiosis etc. (Workers’ Compensation) (Payment of Claims) (Amendment) Regulations 2012 Mesothelioma Lump Sum Payments (Conditions and Amounts) (Amendment) Regulations 2012 Occupational and Personal Pension Schemes (Automatic Enrolment) (Amendment) Regulations 2012 Automatic Enrolment (Offshore Employment) Order 2012 Motions to Refer to Grand Committee Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Bill Second Reading (and remaining stages) Health and Social Care Bill Report (5th Day) Written Statements Written Answers For column numbers see back page £3·50 Lords wishing to be supplied with these Daily Reports should give notice to this effect to the Printed Paper Office. 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All prices are inclusive of postage. © Parliamentary Copyright House of Lords 2012, this publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Parliamentary Click-Use Licence, available online through The National Archives website at www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/information-management/our-services/parliamentary-licence-information.htm Enquiries to The National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 4DU; email: [email protected] 1659 Railways: Great Western Franchise[6 MARCH 2012] Railways: Great Western Franchise 1660 to be determined, but they will reflect the franchise House of Lords objectives that, for clarity, are managing change, providing appropriate capacity, ensuring that the passenger Tuesday, 6 March 2012. experience continues to improve, operational and environmental performance, and delivering efficiencies. 2.30 pm Prayers—read by the Lord Bishop of Exeter. The Lord Bishop of Exeter: My Lords, the Great Western franchise is one of the most complex in the country, with a clear demarcation between the London- Railways: Great Western Franchise Swansea axis and the London-Penzance axis. It is vital Question that fare balance is maintained in the specification to reflect the needs of the whole community. However, in 2.36 pm the West Country, there are very real concerns about whether that will be the case. In particular, there is a Asked by Lord Berkeley high degree of uncertainty about the integrity of the franchise specification. Can the Minister offer a clear To ask Her Majesty’s Government whether the statement for the Department of Transport about new Great Western rail franchise specification for whether the specification will be a guidance document trains between Bath, Bristol, Newport and Cardiff, only for bidders or whether it will be regarded as the and intermediate stations, will take into account default position? Does he recognise that the danger is recent increases in population and demand. that bidders will load the premium payment for the franchise at the expense of essential elements within Earl Attlee: My Lords, recent increases in population the specification and that the south-west peninsula and demand will indeed be taken into account. In could be the loser? drawing up the objectives for the new Great Western franchise, emphasis has been placed on the need to provide appropriate capacity for passengers, within Earl Attlee: My Lords, the right reverend Prelate the constraints of affordability and available infrastructure. asked several extremely complicated questions, and I We are looking closely at recent growth trends and think it would be better if I wrote to him. However, forecast demand as part of the specification process. I have confidence in the whole franchising process. We are determined to strike the right balance between the needs of all stakeholders. As I said in my response to Lord Berkeley: I am grateful to the Minister for that the Question asked by the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, Answer. Presumably he will have read—because I sent there is a conflict between stakeholders that needs to it to him—a report of the West of England Partnership’s be resolved. Joint Transport Executive Committee, which the committee will in fact discuss tomorrow, proposing a greater Bristol-area metro network with much more Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe: My Lords, I will keep frequent regional trains and some extra new stations. my question brief and simple. Will the Minister confirm Will he ensure that that kind of specification is included that the present rolling stock on the line is quite in the tender specification for the new franchise? inadequate, and that it would be totally unreasonable to expect it to continue to be used until electrification Earl Attlee: My Lords, the noble Lord raises an in 2018? In the circumstances, and with reference to extremely important point. The Government’s objective his first Answer, will he confirm to the people in that is to strike an equitable balance of stakeholder interests: part of the country who use the line that the franchise the fare payer, the taxpayer, the long-distance business will invite new rolling stock? traveller and the commuter. These stakeholders are obviously in conflict. Because of this, we urge our Earl Attlee: My Lords, first, we need to be careful friends in the west and south-west of England to reach about being too specific about which rolling stock a consensus on their priorities so that we can use our should be used. To do so would compromise the resources to progress them to best effect. negotiations between the train operating company and the rolling stock company. However, a new fleet of Lord Bradshaw: My Lords, the last Great Western IEP trains is expected to be provided for the franchise franchise was almost a disaster from the day it was let. for InterCity services. This project was initiated by the It has had to be rescued both with more rolling stock previous Administration. The new operator is expected and more money. Will the Minister give an undertaking to take responsibility for the provision of other rolling that, whichever bids are received for the new franchise, stock on the franchise. they are robust bids and, as it will be a 15-year franchise, that they will include quite a contribution of new ideas, new rolling stock and new infrastructure? Lord Cormack: If the Government attach such importance to value for money, why are they persisting with HS2? Earl Attlee: My Lords, my noble friend makes important points. Although value for money is high up on the agenda, given the challenges set by the Earl Attlee: My Lords, HS2 is somewhat wide of McNulty review, the exact evaluation criteria are yet the Question on the Order Paper. 1661 Railways: Great Western Franchise[LORDS] Universities: Anti-Semitism 1662 Baroness Corston: My Lords, in his Answer to my very strong legislative framework and practical guidance noble friend Lord Berkeley, the Minister referred to to provide protection and deal with any anti-Semitic conflicts in the greater Bristol and south-west England incident. We expect universities to act swiftly to investigate area. Will he confirm whether the department is looking and address any anti-Semitic incidents reported to kindly on the proposal for the greater Bristol metro? them. We have seen a fall in the number of incidents in higher education, from 44 in 2010 to 27 in 2011, Earl Attlee: My Lords, the document that the noble according the Community Security Trust, but I accept Lord, Lord Berkeley, referred to covers the Bristol that that is still too many and we must not be complacent metro. It would be very helpful to have a response in our resolve. from local stakeholders on how they want the balance to be struck between the needs of the metro system Baroness Deech: I thank the Minister for her Answer. and those of longer-distance travellers. However, I wonder if she is aware of just how often these anti-Semitic incidents occur, reported or not. Baroness Randerson: Will the Minister give us an Sometimes it is other students’ Nazi-themed activities, assurance that the franchise will be let in a manner coupled with assaults, and sometimes it is hate speakers that is compatible with the establishment of a south who are invited on to campuses which indeed they Wales valleys metro—a project on which there is a target. Recent events include speakers who blame 9/11 considerable degree of consensus and unanimity in on Israel or who equate all Jews with Nazis, and worse.
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