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Yorkshire Dales Access Forum to Be Held on Tuesday 1 February 2011 1.15Pm at Yoredale, Bainbridge Annual General Meeting of the Yorkshire Dales Access Forum To be held on Tuesday 1 February 2011 1.15pm at Yoredale, Bainbridge Meeting to Commence at 1.15pm 1. Election of Chair and Vice Chair 2. Welcome 3. Apologies 4. Approval of minutes, and matters arising (not on the agenda) 5. Public Question time – three minutes per speaker (those wishing to speak should make themselves known to the Secretary at the start of the meeting or in advance of the meeting) 6. Future Forum Meetings - Agenda Items - Dates 7. Access and dogs – presentation by Jon Beavan, Member of the YDAF 8. Fencing on common land – presentation by Adrian Shepherd, YDNPA Farm Conservation Officer 9. Victoria Cave – Consultation on Management Issues 10. Review of nominated LAF members on groups linked to the Forum 11. Report back from Advisory Groups: Access on Foot Advisory Group Access for All Advisory Group Bridleways and Restricted Byways Advisory Group Cave and Crag Access Advisory Group Green Lanes Advisory Group 12. Consultation on Yorkshire Dales National Park Authority proposed budgets to 2014/15 (paper to follow) 13. Open Access information and publications review 14. Secretary’s Report (Items for note and consideration by Forum Members) 15. Update on members’ activities (Brief reports of activities relating to the Forum) Unapproved Minutes Meeting of the Yorkshire Dales Access Forum Held on Tuesday 19 October 2010 Sedbergh People’s Hall Present: Michael Bartholomew (MB) – Chair, David Bartlett (DB), Jon Beavan (JB), Andrew Colley (AC), David Gibson (DG), Ken Miller (KM), Jerry Pearlman (JP), Alistair Thompson (AT), Pat Whelan (PWh), Stuart Monk (SM), Malcolm Petyt (MP) and Mike Stephenson (MS). YDNPA Officers present: Alan Hulme (AH), Rachel Briggs (RB) – LAF Secretary, Kathryn Beardmore (KB), Mark Allum (MA), Meghann Hull (MH) and Paul Wilkinson (PW). The meeting started at 1.15pm. 1. Welcome MB welcomed Paul Wilkinson (PW), YDNPA Area Ranger for Cumbria, Meghann Hull (MH), YDNPA Access Technician and James Lamb (JL), Natural England Access Adviser to the meeting. 2. Apologies Apologies were received from Michael Kenyon (MK), Robert Mayo (RM), Neil Heseltine (NH) and Phillip Woodyer (PW). 3. Approval of the minutes MP asked about the signage of the UURs in the Yorkshire Dales. He felt it would be more sensible for any waymarking to indicate destination and distance as the direction is simply the way the finger points. MA agreed with this and thought that that had been what members of the YDAF had agreed at the previous meeting, though the minutes did not reflect this. RB to amend the minutes of the previous meeting with the addition of distance specified within the waymark for UURs. JP asked that the minute on page two, with regards to Whernside Common, reflect the fact that members had asked whether planning permission was actually sought as well as whether or not it had been granted. Subject to JP’s and MA’s corrections, The minutes of the previous meeting were approved as a true record of the meeting. Matters Arising from the Minutes There were several matters raised: (a) MB said he had written to Duncan Graham and Andrew Mackintosh to confirm that members of the YDAF were in agreement that the England Access Forum should continue and be properly resourced. (b) RB has been unable to speak to Doug Huzzard from North Yorkshire County Council with regards to the North Yorkshire Unclassified Unsurfaced Road (UUR) policy. However, a link to this document had been included in the Secretary’s Report (item 10). (c) MB noted that members had not responded to the PRoW Annual Report, presented by AH at the previous meeting, and asked members if they had any comments to make. DG said that the PRoW Annual Report had gone to the Access on Foot Advisory Group on 13 October and that members had endorsed it. Members of the YDAF endorsed the Public Rights of Way Annual Report on the recommendation of the Access on Foot Advisory Group. There was a discussion about funding of the works carried out on UURs. AH said that the YDNPA currently undertake this work under licence and pay for any work carried out as part of its implementation of the green lanes management plan, and the work of the green lanes advisory group. JP thought it important that North Yorkshire County Council (NYCC) be asked to contribute to this work as the maintenance of such routes fall under their remit. KB agreed that these routes were the responsibility of NYCC, but said that the National Park Authority had undertaken this work in recognition that they were an important part of the rights of way network. She explained that NYCC do not see UURs as a high priority. MB suggested the YDAF write to NYCC directly stating that members of the YDAF see the maintenance of the UUR network as a priority and that funding should be made available for any work. MB to write to officers of NYCC stating that members of the YDAF would like to see funding available for the maintenance of the UUR network in the Yorkshire Dales. 4. Public Question Time There were no public questions. 5. Future Forum Meetings Dates of meetings Due to potential funding costs, and the lack of public attendance at meetings to date it was agreed that all future meetings will be held at the YDNPA office at Bainbridge. The meetings for 2011 are as follows: Date Venue Time 1 February 2011 Yoredale, Bainbridge 1.15pm 21 June 2011 Yoredale, Bainbridge 1.15pm 18 October 2011 Yoredale, Bainbridge 1.15pm Future Agenda Items JB suggested an agenda item on dogs and public access together with how to give clear messages on the issue. Dogs and access to be put on the agenda of a future meeting of the YDAF. MB thought it would be a good for a future meeting to look at fencing on common land. KM agreed that this was a good idea as it was an issue he felt strongly about. He added that LAFs are not currently statutory consultees when fences are erected on common land and he felt this was wrong. JP suggested that the YDNPA inform members of any applications that come in to the YDNPA, as the YDNPA is a statutory consultee. KB said this would be done as far as possible. The Authority’s role in fencing proposals was debated further and it was agreed that it would be helpful if a member of the Authority’s farm conservation team gave a presentation at a future meeting to discuss fencing on commons Farm Environment Plans, and the assessment process. RB to invite an officer from the farm conservation team along to a future meeting of the YDAF to discuss fencing on common land and FEPs. 6. Long distance routes MA presented the paper on long distance routes and asked members for any comments on the criteria used to decide whether a route should be supported. AT began by asking whether the category of a route would affect the funding available for that route. AH said that National Trails fall under the remit of Natural England and so the YDNPA, currently, receives 100% funding for implementation of a new route - eg the Pennine Bridleway, and 75% funding for maintenance of an existing route - eg the Pennine Way and existing parts of the Pennine Bridleway. No other long distance routes receive any external funding. He added that the Coast to Coast involves lots of local authorities and that it is a recognised route, but it isn’t a National Trail, so receives no funding. AT thought that the Coast to Coast was regionally very important and that the YDAF should be recommending that it becomes a National Trail, though it was felt unlikely, given the current public sector funding. MP suggested it become a ‘regionally important route’ as the waymarking is currently quite poor. This would require working with the other local authorities to get a standard system in place. MB suggested asking the Wainwright Society and/or Natural England to facilitate a round-the-table discussion with all the local authorities involved with the Coast to Coast route. This was agreed. MA to ask Natural England and/or the Wainwright Society if they would interested in facilitating a discussion between all the local authorities with the Coast to Coast running through their area. JB commended MA on his paper. He added that navigation is often a big part of the experience for multi-day users and thought that waymarking a route too much would detract from that. He suggested micro waymarking and virtual promotion via a website. He added that there is a role for virtual promotion of long distance trails by using websites to download routes directly onto GPS units. MB questioned the criteria category ‘permanence’ and asked how the YDNPA cope with the impermanence of groups that devise new long distance trails all the time. MA said that by giving a timescale of five years before the YDNPA will consider the route, any group that is not commited, long-term, to the promotion of its route will be eliminated. Members of the YDAF agreed the paper and, in particular, the criteria used to decide whether a route should be supported. 7. Open access review of restrictions and exclusions AH presented the paper to members, highlighting some of the main headlines. He added that since the paper had been written, Natural England have contacted key stakeholders to say that a freeze has been put on the boundary review of open access areas and that there will be no review for two years.
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