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NTLO YA DIKGOSI NTLO YA DIKGOSI CHAIRMAN Kgosi Puso Gaborone Batlokwa DEBATES DEPUTY CHAIRMAN Kgosi T. F. Tshipe Mahalapye Region MEMBERS Kgosi K. Boiditswe Serowe Region Kgosi I. Gaoonwe Letlhakeng Region Kgosi B. Garebakwena Molepolole Region Kgosi M. Kahiko III Ghanzi West Kgosi S. H. Kgamane Bangwato Kgosi Kgari III Bakwena Kgosi K. Lempadi Okavango Region Kgosi Lotlamoreng II Barolong Kgosi O. Machilidza Boteti Region Kgosi M. Malema Bobirwa Region Kgosi Malope II Bangwaketse Kgosi T. M. Masunga North East THE PROCEEDINGS Kgosi M. Mmualefhe Chobe Region Kgosi A. O. Monnaathebe Thamaga Kgosi P. K. Montshiwa Kgalagadi North of the Kgosi K. Moremi Batawana Kgosi S. Moroka Tswapong Kgosi J. Moseki Ghanzi East 11TH MEETING Kgosi T. B. Ndzonga Tutume Kgosi B. Ramokone Kanye Kgosi K. Ramokwena Maun 28 January - 01 February 28 January 2013 of the Kgosi E. Potsoeng Ngami Region Kgosi M. Seboko Balete OFFICIAL REPORT - ELEVENTH MEETING OFFICIAL REPORT Kgosi P. Seeletso Tonota Region 2ND NTLO YA DIKGOSI Kgosi P. Sekwenyane Ngwaketse West Kgosi K. Telekelo Moshupa (Official Report) Kgosi Toto II Kgalagadi South Kgosi S. Esterhuizen Specially Elected P O Box 240, Gaborone Tel: 3616800 Fax: 3913103 Kgosi M. Moeti Specially Elected e-mail: [email protected] Sitting from Kgosi M. Seemeko Specially Elected OFFICIAL REPORT - 11TH MEETING Kgosi M. M. Sinvula Specially Elected www.parliament.gov.bw 28 January - 01 February 2013 Kgosi T. Xao Specially Elected OF THE 2ND NTLO YA DIKGOSI i ii Printed by Government Printing and Publishing Services, Gaborone 28 January - 01 February 2013 Table of Contents Chairman’s Remarks ...................................... 4, 21, 66, 85, 154 Customary Courts (Amendment) Bill, 2012 (No. 21 of 2012) First Reading .......................................................... 6 Resumed Debate...................................................... 22 Second Reading....................................................... 38 Second Reading (Resumed Debate)................................ 67 Resolution.............................................................. 83 Resolution (Resumed Debate)..................................... 104 Election of the Chairperson of Ntlo ya Dikgosi....................... 1 Secretary : N. Thebe Election of the Deputy Chairperson Ass. Secretary : M. Moreri of Ntlo Ya Dikgosi......................................................... 2 Proof Reading : E. Jean Motion Review of Protocol on the Layout : Bakang B. Khumanego Order of Precedence..................................................... 154 Dennis T. Batshegi Kebonye M. Setshube Questions for Oral Answer ............................................. 85, 137 Re-Election of Deputy Chairman........................................ 4 Edited by : K. Nyanga Translated by : K. Ben M. Kagiso B. Morakanyane Typesetting : Hansard Reporters iii iv Monday 28th January, 2013 Election of the Chairperson of Ntlo ya Dikgosi Monday 28th January, 2013 SECRETARY OF NTLO YA DIKGOSI: Kgosi Puso THE HOUSE met at 10 a.m. Gaborone has been nominated to stand as Chairperson, is there (THE CHAIRPERSON in the any seconder? Chair) KGOSI KAHIKO III: I second P R A Y E R S that. * * * * SECRETARY OF NTLO YA ELECTION OF THE DIKGOSI: Kgosi Puso, do you CHAIRPERSON OF accept to stand f NTLO YA DIKGOSI KGOSI PUSO GABORONE: I SECRETARY OF NTLO YA accept the nomination. DIKGOSI (MS N. THEBE): SECRETARY OF NTLO Good morning Honourable YA DIKGOSI: Any other Members, our first order of nomination for the Chairperson? business is the election of the Chairperson. Every Member of KGOSI MOETI II: Kgosi this Honourable House has the Masunga right to stand for the elections SECRETARY OF NTLO YA and I would like to briefly take DIKGOSI: Kgosi Masunga Members through the voting has been nominated for process. Those who wish to Chairmanship of the House, any nominate a candidate should seconder? show that by raising their hands HONOURABLE MEMBERS: and there has to be a Member ... (Silence).... who seconds that nomination then the candidate will have to SECRETARY OF NTLO YA accept the nomination. All the DIKGOSI: There is no seconder names of the nominees will be for Kgosi Masunga. According written on the chalkboard and to our Rules of Procedure the voting shall then commence. Kgosi Puso Gaborone has been We will take nominees for the unanimously elected as the Chairman of this House. We Chairperson. shall adjourn for few minutes KGOSI TSHIPE: Kgosi Puso to allow him to wear his robe. Gaborone. He shall then run the elections 1 Monday 28th January, 2013 Election of the Deputy Monday 28th January, 2013 Election of the Deputy Chairperson of Ntlo ya Dikgosi Chairperson of Ntlo ya Dikgosi of Deputy Chairperson of the MR CHAIRMAN: Thank you. MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi vote have voted, the Secretary House. Congratulations Kgosi Do we have other nominees? Lotlamoreng II wishes to stand shall examine the ballot papers Puso! for the elections. Do we still have and reject any that do not KGOSI SEKWENYANE: another nominee for the Deputy comply with the provisions of ELECTION OF THE Kgosi Tshipe. Chairman? Paragraph 6 above and count DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON the number of votes obtained by MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi Tshipe OF NTLO YA DIKGOSI HONOURABLE MEMBERS: each candidate and mark against has been nominated, is there any … (Silence)…. each candidate’s name on the MR CHAIRMAN (KGOSI seconder to this nomination? chalk board the number of votes PUSO GABORONE): Good MR CHAIRMAN: There are KGOSI SEELETSO: I second polled.” morning Honourable Members, no more nominations for the it. His Honour the Vice President Deputy Chairperson. We have (Counting of votes...) and our distinguished guests. We MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi three nominees for the Deputy shall now proceed to the election Tshipe’s name has been Chairman of the House; Kgosi The results are as follows: of the Deputy Chairman and the seconded; do you wish to stand Machilidza, Kgosi Tshipe and Kgosi Machilidza has received same procedure as that of the for the elections Kgosi Tshipe? Kgosi Lotlamoreng II. These 12 votes, Kgosi Tshipe also election of the Chairman shall are the names which Members received 12 votes and Kgosi KGOSI TSHIPE: I wish to be used. The floor is open for will vote on. The Secretary Lotlamoreng II received 9 votes. stand Mr Chairman. nominations. will distribute ballot papers to Therefore according to our Rules MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi Tshipe Honourable Members. Each of Procedure, Second Schedule, KGOSI KAHIKO III: Thank will stand for the elections, do ballot paper should contain Rule 10 under the election you Mr Chairman. I nominate we have another nominee? only the name of the candidate of Chairperson and Deputy Kgosi Machilidza. being voted for and nothing Chairperson; “if two or more KGOSI MOSEKI: Kgosi candidates have an equal number Lotlamoreng II. else, otherwise that vote will be MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi considered spoilt. I therefore of votes each, which number is Machilidza has been nominated; MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi request the Secretary to call out greater than the number of votes do we have a seconder for Kgosi Lotlamoreng II has been the names of Members to cast obtained by any other candidate, Machilidza? nominated; do we have a their votes in the provided ballot then such candidates shall be seconder to the nomination? box. candidates in a second poll KGOSI RAMOKWENA: to be held in accordance with Thank you Mr Chairman, I KGOSI TELEKELO: I second SECRETARY: I will call out the the nomination Mr Chairman. provisions of this schedule.” second the nomination for Kgosi Members in alphabetical order to We have two Members with Machilidza. MR CHAIRMAN: Kgosi come and vote. an equal number of votes. We Lotlamoreng’s name has been will therefore proceed to the MR CHAIRMAN: We have a seconded; do you wish to stand (Voting process on going…) second poll. We are going to seconder, Kgosi Machilidza do Kgosi Lotlamoreng II? you wish to stand for the elections MR CHAIRMAN: We vote between Kgosi Machilidza of the Deputy Chairperson? KGOSI LOTLAMORENG have completed our election and Kgosi Tshipe, Honourable II: If the Members wish for Honourable Members. According Members. The Secretary will KGOSI MACHILIDZA: I wish me to stand I will stand for the to Rule 9 of the second schedule; now distribute ballot papers to stand Mr Chairman. elections. “when all Members who wish to and your names will be called 2 3 Monday 28th January, 2013 Chairman’s Remarks Monday 28th January, 2013 Chairman’s Remarks alphabetically as you cast your congratulate Kgosi Tshipe on this House to greater heights. I Minister of Presidential Affairs votes in the ballot box. being elected the new Deputy have been the Chairperson of and Public Administration. We Chairperson. this House for the past 4 years also have a relationship with RE-ELECTION OF DEPUTY and I believe that the mandate of other organizations and this CHAIRMAN Honourable Members, the House is clearly stated in the has been brought about by the SECRETARY OF NTLO the newly elected Deputy Constitution of the Republic of capacitation programmes for YA DIKGOSI (N. THEBE): Chairperson Kgosi Tshipe Botswana that we are an advisory Dikgosi. Honourable Ministers Tshipe, the outgoing Deputy I will call out the Members in body to the National Assembly, and His Honour the Leader of Chairman, Kgosi Lotlamoreng alphabetical order to come and II, the Leader of the House, as well as the Executive of the House, I would like to inform vote. His Honour the Vice President the Republic of Botswana. I you that we completed five days CHAIRMAN’S