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is 'small scale industry' or 'ancillary industry'. Foreign collaboration proposals approved Cn further consideration the facility of Credit with multi-national companies Guarantee scheme has been extended to cover 'ancilarry units' with investment in plant and 788. SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : SHRI machinery beyond Rs. 10 lakhs but not INDRADEEP SINHA : SHRI exceeding Rs. 15 lakhs in line with the general YOGENDRA SHARMA: definition of 'ancillary industries'. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state: Sugar Cooperatives (a) whether it is a fact that during the year 787. SHRI SANAT KUMAR RAHA: Will 1975 a total number of 271 proposals for the Minister of INDUSTRY AND CIVIL foreign collaborations were approved by SUPPLIES be pleased to state : Government; (b) if so, how many of them are with multi- (a) The number of sugar cooperatives, in nationals; different States, with their fixed assets financed from their interna! resources; (c) what are their equity shares;

(b) the number of sugar cooperatives (d) the names of the main Indian subsidiary running at a loss ; and companies which are involved in the collaboration ; (c) the amount of financial assistance (e) whether Government have taken note Government have so far given to ihese of the recommendations made by the ex cooperatives ? pert committee of the National Committee on Science and Technology regarding foreign collaborations; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND CIVIL (f) if so, the reaction of Government SUPPLIES (SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) 97 thereon ? cooperative sugar factories were in production during the sugar season 1974-75. A State-wise THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE statement regarding the number of cooperative MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND CIVIL sugar factories and their fixed assets covered SUPPLIES (SHRI B. P. MAURYA): (a) to (f) by internal resources is enclosed. [See A statement is attached. [See Appendix XCV, Appendix XCV, Anne-xure No. 60]. Annexure No. 61].

(b) Information is available only in respect of cooperative sugar factories in production on 30th June, 1974. Of the 91 cooperative FAREWELL TO RETIRING MEMBERS sugar factories in production, 36 incurred MR. CHAIRMAN: As you all know, one- losses during the year ended 30th June, 1974. third of our Members will be retiring on the 2nd April this year. Many of them may return. (c) The amounts contributed by the State I wish to bid farewell to all those who may not Governments to the share-capital of be coming back. I must first thank them for cooperative sugar factories in production their unstinted co-operation extended to me in during 1974-75 season is given in column 6 of ensuring the smooth working of this House. the statement referred to in reply to part (a) of We this Question. •j-Transferred from the 29th March, 1976. (Previously numbered as unstarred Question No. 635). 103 Farewell [] to Members 104

have been functioning as members of one family. Those who are leaving us are entering a wider sphere of activity. There is much to be done to change life in our cities, in our villages, in our desert areas and in our hilly regions and it is the duty of everyone, whether in Parliament or outside it, to try and help in this positive effort. The experience the retiring Members have gained of the working of Parliament and of the Government will, I am sure, stand them in good stead.

The need of the hour is to increase pro- duction which will bring about greater employment and better distribution. We have to alleviate the hardships of the poorer sections and middle-classes of our society. This is a time for unity and discipline so that the country will be strengthened. The sense of discipline which the Members have acquired during their Membership of this House will be of advantage to them in their future programmes, of national work. I wish them well. They have our best wishes in their endeavours to take the country forward.

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"Hear me, O, great tree ! We are small flowers of yours ; If you allow us to remain with you, We shall add to your grandeur. If you are pleased to leave us out, We shall not feel separated, For wherever we shall go, We shall sing your praise. We shall be offerings to gods And reach the heads of great men And every day shall pass from hand to hand. Whether here or elsewhere, Whether in this form or another, We shall always be yours." 111 Farewell [RAJYA SABHA] to Members 112

SHRI MANUBHAI SHAH (): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I stand here not to bid farewell, but to greet. For farewell causes a mist in the eyes and a heavy heart. This mist is not there because my eyes are shining and bright, though bespectacled. I have no heaviness in my heart as it is full of joy, like a lark circling out of its nest to come home to roost, if possible, as the doors of these two august mansions of liberty—the Lok Sabha and the Rajya Sabha—are always open to any citizen of this great land of ours who may seek to serve by winning popular votes to enter these great Chambers.

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Sir, has been an ancient land of Sir, with an occasional firmness of a jat and liberty and freedom. The Panchayati Raj, with of an ever gentle smile like a morning rose, its gaon panchayats, the Janapadas, the Jan with a Pradhan Mantri in her personified Sansads and gurukuls, was born here. We are benign gentility and nobility, who, even in no bud or sprout of democracy but a mighty her rare fighting and challenging speeches banyan tree of human freedom and human like a vertitable Joan of Arc, seeks to dignity pulsating with life. Republican persuade and persevere for the emancipation democracy was launched here centuries and of her down-trodden people, with a shining centuries before The kings and emperors, Leader of the House, Kamlapatiji, whose more often than not, Sir, ruled here with the speeches, such as the one he delivered on the consent of the people; this is the land of Railway Budget debate, full of humour and Diwan-e-am and Diwan-e-khas, now mirth, with an ever friendly Om Mehta who symbolised in these two great Houses of our manages this House with chumminess, Parliament with our people as our emperors. sometimes seen sitting with an Opposition Let not the newcomers to democracy of the leader gently hinting to him not to oppose, oceans beyond, who are babes in democratic laying a detractor so that he may not be functioning, ever worry about the Indian i present in the House on a crucial occasion of Republic. vote and who manages when every effort fails, to put up challenging speakers from this Sir, in this land, the sun of liberty is ever

We have travelled just over a mile in India's Mr. Chairman, Sir, listening to various hard won freedom from British imperial yoke friends who are also retiring along with me, only recently. The emancipation, both social the memories of long, long past, of many, and economic, of the millions and millions of many years ago, came back to me. There is our countrymen requires great and mighty Shri Jairamdas Daulatramji, the veteran efforts of India's 600 million population. leader, who is the eldest amongst us, sitting Every time we speak in this Cham'' r, let 115 here. He was a member of the Congress remember that each one of us holds in trust Working Committee when 1 was a mere the faith of our people, because sometimes we Congress volunteer. How dare I say anything have seen in the past that some friends. for about the political situation or political affairs one reason or another, have tried to reduce the when such persons are there. But Sir, old level of this House to one which is not so habits die very hard. I have been a politician desirable. Every time we speak in this worker and a politician since the age of 16 Chamber, let us remember that each one of us years. And, therefore, if I talk of politics, I holds in trust the faith of our people in this hope you will please show me indulgence. great assembly of men and women of India who travel like pilgrims onto the great march towards strength, unit and prosperity of our Sir, I joined the movement of Gandhiji in motherland. I am full of confidence and 1921 more than 55 years ago. My friend, Shri optimist vision because only dreamers can Kamlapati Tripathi, who is sitting in front of make a country great, however much me, was also one of those who joined that pragmmtism and practical exigencies movement in that year. That great revolution, sometimes tend to waver us from the path to India saw beginning of which in 1921-22, carry this torch of freedom, unity and ultimately resulted in our getting 'swaraj'. Sir, progress. I have been looking at the writings of Gandhiji off and on. I read through one of the Sir, in conclusion, I do hope that sooner small books which has been brought out and than later all the vestiges of emergency, which which is titled as "India of my dreams". I have was not of our seeking or our choice but read through that book many times. Sitting which we had to bring as a shock therapy and here I was thinking whether the dreams that which has done tremendous good will Shri Kamlapati Ji, Shri Jairamdas Daulatram, disappear soon enabling us once more to Shri Awadheshwar Prasad Sinha and some of bubble forth and go forward with vigour us had in 1922 are coming true. Sir, I think it towards full social emancipation and well- is time when we should take stock of the being of our people whom we all and situation. 117 Farewell [1 APRIL 1976] to Members 118

At this hour of parting, I have no desire to as one of my last wishes here, sitting in this find fault with anybody. I must make it clear. House, it is this that we must change the I am old enough not to think of these small strategy of our planning to a very great extent. differences at this hour of my life. But I must I tried to plead with the Prime Minister in one say and everyone who joined with me in of the Consultative Conjmittee meetings. 1921-22 will agree with me, that the dreams Unfortunately, 1 was taken ill. 1 again plead we had 55 years ago are yet far far away from today. The Consultative Committee has not us. Many of the dreams and ideals have even met since then. 1 thought I would again urge in receded too far. Many of the ideals seem to that Committee. Failing that, I plead before have been abandoned also. this House, and the Prime Minister is sitting here, I urge upon her to give another look at Sir, when Gandhiji asked us to join his the entire strategy afresh and not brush aside movement in 1921, he told us to go to the this plea of mine simply because it is one T.N. villages. Now, instead of elite and the leaders Singh, sitting in the Opposition, saying it. I of the people going to the villages, there is an am saying with some experience, after a great exodus to the towns, to the capital cities of the deal of thought and with all my background States and here. Our villages are in a bad and knowledge. condition today. I do no! deny the progress Sir, today we are talking of the population that we have made. But should we be satisfied problem. 1 he population growth is not due to with whatever has happened ? Are twenty five any higher increase in the birth rate. The fact years of 'swaraj' not sufficient to have resulted is that there has been a decrease in the death in much greater achievement than what we rate. Birth rate has also decreased, but the have achieved so far ? I have myself been a death rate has decreased much more. party to many of the things which the Whatever we have to do, we shall do and we Government and I in the Planning shall continue to taTte all such measures to Commission tried to do. I fully know my see that people do not die. And, therefore, the share of the responsibility and my failures. I pressure on population will continue for some am saying all that with humility. But that does time, whatever we do, I am really amazed and not mean that 1 should not be frank enough to rather sickened and pained at the large number say here and tell you of some of things that 1 of foreign experts and advisers coming here consider to be mistakes. and trying to advise us. One of them came and told me only a few months ago, "Don't you Sir, the fact is that our economy has hardly think that the only remedy for your well-being grown at a little higher rate than the rate of and your good is to stop the growth of popu- growth of population. This has been lation and have a zero growth here T 1 urged happening all these years. Every year, two per that we cannot treat our people as animals and cent or three per cent or less has been the rate castrate them. Therefore, this problem will of growth and the population has also grown remain in some form. So, we have to think at the rate of more than two per cent or more how we are yet going to solve the problem. I per year. So, we are not overtaking the am sure, after a time, the population will problem generated by the growth of stabilise itself, the growth rate will not be as population so far as our economic well-being high as today. But all that we may do, our is concerned. safety measures, health measures, will result in a lower and lower death rate. They should. The other day, some time ago, I pleaded Why should they not ? Therefore, the with the Prime Minister that we need to population problem will remain a problem change the strategy of planning. Today, if with us for some time to come. you ask me as to what I would say 119 Farewell [RAJYA SABHA] to Members 120

[Shri T. N. Singh] I that Shri Bhupesh Gupta monopolised all the debates here and a poor man like me Then, what should be our strategy 1 I cannot speak. But let that apart, we have That is what we have to think. I have just not grudged it; somebody has freedom of indicated the lines on which we have to think. expression. Freedom of expression is essen- It is not the time, Sir, to go into that question tial for the very delicate plant of democracy but I will not get any opportunity to talk all to enable it to grow, to get nurtured, to get these things, and I must say it here. I am strengthened. It is very necessary. wondering today, I wish I could talk about these things in detail. But with the restrictions on freedom of expression, I doubt MR. CHAIRMAN : There are some whether I can speak even on economic issues others also to speak. as to what should be done, freely and frankly. Sir, I am very much pained at time in foreign SHRI T. N. SINGH : Just a minute please. newspapers that India is not fit for democracy. I will not take more time. So I want to urge Outsiders, sonie of them, are saying that do that freedom of expression should be re- you think it is any good to hear-because under established. I am here reminded of a couplet Gandhiji's leadership we fought for which Shri Lai Baha-durji, my boyhood democracy and swaraj—and to be told by friend, used to repeat to me : these foreigners, who, while leaving us in 1946, said that our democracy will not function and that we will not be able to manage our affairs, to be told today and to see many of our own people coming round to the view that democracy is not suited to us? I feel It can be translated in English as follows : very pained. The India of my dreams, of "I have come here from long, long distances, Gandhiji's dreams seems to be receding. many many years ago. I who was drunk with the dreams of swaraj and freedom came from long distances, and I am returning I want to urge that if the delicate plant of today disappointed having nobody here who democracy is to subsist—you can do whatever could distribute the intoxicant" which you want for your administrative reasons etc., I enthused me to struggle for swaraj. do not want to quarrel with it—I do feel that unless we maintain a system where there is freedom of expression, this country cannot Sir, you have rightly warned me that I am progress, what to say of democracy existing. exceeding my time-limit but this is the last Therefore, I want to urge today—the Prime time that I will exceed the limit and I think Minister is sitting here—with all the sincerity you will show me some indulgence. I am that I possess—the need of immediate sorry, those who have to speak are my valued restoration of freedom of expression I want to colleagues. I am just a very very humble say this also because I began as a journalist, I worker in the political field and I wish for earned my living as a journalist from 1925 myself the same treatment as given to many onwards, I worked in the 'National Herald' of of our friends, many of our unknown soldiers which the Chief Editor was Shri Jawaharlal who battled for swaraj, fought and died Nehru, and we fought against all restrictions on unknown, unwept, unhonoured and unsung. I the freedom of expression by the alien Govern- do not want anything. So, I am not speaking ment in those days. I do not say that people here for that. But I do want that you should have not many times misused it; | I do not say listen to something which exprience has that. I think somebody said taught me all these years in my association in political life. So, I have dared to talk about it. 121 Farewell [1 APRIL 1976] to Members 122

Secondly, I would say, Sir, that this Delhi is SHRI SALIL KUMAR GANGULI (West a place or the capitals of the various States are Bengal) : Sir, first of all, I must express my places, where once you go, you forget the gratitude to my hon. colleagues who were village. The gap between the village and always ready, all of them, to give me a ourselves has grown. I admit today that by patient hearing. living in Delhi, the distance between me and my village people has grown. I wish some- Secondly, Sir, I wish to thank the Rajya thing would be done in this regard. These Sabha Secretariat as well as the Lok Sabha palatial buildings, these airconditioned rooms, Secretariat. I fell that the Parliament these thousands and thousands of cars running Secretariat in India is an unique institution, one after the other in the streets and roads of discharging its responsibilities efficiently. Delhi, do make one forget our poor village. There is no better institution than this from This is a fact. And I admit my share of guilt in the point of view of politeness, and efficiency. this regard. I wish something would be done. Gandhiji said that if you want to rule India, Finally, Sir, I would say that my party has administer India, live in a Harijan colony. I always stood, and will always stand, for the think he was right. I wanted to say this unity of India with more State autonomy. My particularly here. I do not know how to do it experience in Parliament has convinced me or what to do about it. I do not know ; I have that there is no danger to this unity and there no solution to offer. But I only wanted to is no danger of this basic unity ever being remind you of what Gandhiji said. That is destroyed, however, bitter the political what why those dreams come back to me. differences may be. I am going away convinced happily and quite assured that our Just one word, Sir. You have advised me to independence and unity shall be ever-lasting. speak less. Gandhiji said the same thing. I am Thank you. sorry, I have spoken for such a long time. But, I think, on the whole, during all my SHRI JAIRAMDAS DAULATRAM association of several years, nearly two (Nominated): I have no sense of retiring and I decades of parliamentary life, I think I have do not speak as a retiring Member. There is tried to be as quiet as possible. I have not been vast work lying ahead before the country, a very vociferous member unlike Bhupesh whether here of anywhere else. That work Gupta and Raj Narain. And I am a believer in calls us and we should do our duty. I that. I will recite one of the poems, a couplet respectfully request that we should not delay which Lai Bahadurji often used to repeat. I the work, the public work of the House, any would like to repeat here and conclude. The further. couplet is by Iqbal: SHRI DWIJENDRALAL SEN GUPTA (West Bengal) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I have been here for the last 12 years. I saw four Chairmen : Shri Zakir Hussain, Shri V. V. (No persuasion is needed to make me relate Giri, Shri Pathak and yourself. I also saw my story; for my silence is my talk and three Prime Ministers—according to some viocelessness is my voice.) Members, four—Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri, Shri Gulzarilal That is all, Sir. You do not want me to speak. Nanda and Shrimati . But 'three I will not speak. I hope whatever little I have or four' does not matter. When I look back at said, will be listened to, heeded to by the these 12 years, I can tell my friends here that Government. possibly no 12 years have been so very thrilling in this Parliament as these 12 years since 1964. Nobody before me 123 Farewell [RAJYA SABHA] to Members 124

LShri Dwijendralal Sen GiiptaJ iioned in this House wilh the support of the would have ever had the occasion to see these Opposition, and it goes to the credit of the four Chairmen and four Prime Ministers ; and Opposition that it supported the Government so those after me. I had the occasion to get the on all progressive measures. I am proud to say blessings of great men like Pandit Jawaharlal that though a Member of the Opposition, 1 Nehru, by just putting one supplementary supported the Government on all progressive question in 1964, during his last days. I measures, and I am sorry that on one remember I was sitting in a corner as a particular occasion, that is, on the 5th newcomer. There was a question from the September, 1970 when the Privy Purses opposition bench as Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, Abolition Bill was lost here, I could not vote. the Prime Minister of India, had sent a letter to It was Prime Minister Indira Gandhi who Sheikh Abdullah who was a prisoner at that came to my defence by stating before the time on a charge of treason. Shri Lai Bahadur Congress Parliamentary Party the same Shastri, the Minister without Portfolio, replied evening, that because of a delayed flight "our to that question. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru was friend, Mr. Sen Gupta, could not come and sitting by his side. Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri vote for us ; otherwise he would have voted replied that it was a personal letter and the for us and we would have won". I am grateful supplemen-tarles were replied H> similarly. 1 to her. I did not expect that she would come as a lawyer, with the permission of the then forth with such a statement. In fact, the plane Chairman, Shri Zakir Hussain, put this was delayed by twelve hours on the 5th Sep- question : 'May I know who was entrusted tember, 1970—an unusual delay. On the 4th with the delivery of this letter, whether he was evening the plane was cancelled. I had to go a personal servant of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru to Calcutta to attend on my ailing mother who or a personal friend of his, or an officer of the was in hospital. So, the position is that or the State of Jammu excepting on that one particular occasion, I and Kashmir ?'. The answer came that the supported this Government on all progressive letter was entrusted to the Joint Secretary at- measures. Of course, I did not expect any ached to the Ministry of External Affairs. favour ; I did not seek any favour. After that, the House burst with anger that this was a misleading answer. Then, the Question I had to oppose this Government when they Hour was over. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru imposed the emergency, because I know my called me in his room, strethced out his hand, conscience. If I owe anything, I owe it to my asked me to take my seat and said 'I wish you conscience. I did not support the emergency. I all luck ; you are a promising young man'. I could not support the emergency and the shall never forget that. arrest of so many men, the ban on the Press and so on. But it should be taken as a matter Then, I remember what happened there- of honest difference of opinion. It is not as if after. There was the Congress split in 1969. In all those who support the Prime Minister and between, there was a war with Pakistan. the Government are friends and that all those There was another war again with Pakistan in who oppose them are enemies. Even among 1971. I saw these things. I saw the division of those who oppose, there are many friends. the Congress. That is the attitude which a democratic Government should take. I do not know whether the Congress will be united again. I saw the 1 P.M. I have no regrets for what all I did here in era of nationalisation, I saw how the this House. I had great respect for Shri minority Government func- Jayaprakash Narayan. I had written a letter to the Prime Minister and 125 Farewell [1 APRIL 1976] to Members 126

pleaded that he may be released. The Prime occupying high positions in public life, afteiv Minister, unfortunately, could not agree with their retirement, bvcome the members in this me but I have no grievance about it. The House. This is known as the House of elders. letter that she wrote was an angry letter. I am sorry for that. Sir, everybody was narrating his past history but my story .5 entirely different. I Mr. Chairman, Sir, I do not like to dilate. entered this House when I was a young man All I have to say is, I joined the national of 38. Now, when I am qualifying as an elder movement by following the footsteps of my for reaching ."0, I am retiring. Sir, I am father who joined it in 1921 and continued retiring from this House not as a spent-force since then, suffered and suffered heavily. I or a frustrated politician but as a person, as a have also suffered. 1 was for many years in citizen who has gained much wisdom to work goal. From my school days I have been in in the field of the country for the upliftment politics. But our politics was not in of the poor. expectation of coining here as a Member of I have also very good memories of the past Parliament ot things like that. If it were so, I days. As recalled by Mr. Sen Gupta, I also could have changed over when the Congress entered the House in 1964 when Dr. Zakir was in minority and would have become a Hussain was our Chairman. He was succeeded Minister. I did not do it, I did not defect. I by our respected Giri Sahib and by Pathak have been an independent Member here for Saheb and now by your honour, Sir. And the last 12 years and, before this, for a period when Panditji was the Prime Minister I had of four years as a Member of the Legislative the honour to sit in the House with him also. Council, West Bengal. For sixteen years in all, In those days the Congress was a majority Mr. Chairman, Sir, if I had hurt any Member party, having one-third majority. As Mr. Sen in the Government by my honest speech, let Gupta mentioned, we used to sit only in the them forget that; let them take it that I have corner. Now, when the days have passed on I done it only in the public interest and not have the rare opportunity of sitting in the front because of any personal anger. I expected bench leading the minority community, the from them a sense of accountability without largest minority in the country, Sir. which democracy cannot function. So, Sir, if I had offended anybody, I extend my sincere There are many critics about the functioning apologies to him. of democracy in this country but I must say without fear of any contradiction that although Thank you, Sir. were a very few people here—I was representing, leading those people—we had s SHRI A. K. A. ABDUL SAMAD (Tamil our fullest say here. And we are proud of one Nadu) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I stand up here thing. Though we had some differences, as only to thank you for the kind sentiments you being a different political party, with the have expressed about the retiring Members. ruling Party, we are proud, you can see in the Touching references were made by the Leader record, we with all the progressive measures of the House, Pandit Kamlapati Tripathi. that were brought forth in this House. Only at one time we diffedred strongly and Undoubtedly, this is the most dignified vehemently in this House. This was during the House in our country. Though Lok Sabha has term when the Aligarh Bill was brought in. got some more powers than Rajya Sabha, Even at that time we were heard with when we nobody can dispute that this is the most walked out ,that was also respected. Yet, I am dignified House in our land. In this House happy, though we were voted down that day, many of the members are derived from the all our wishes retired people. Those who were Ministers, Governors, Vice-Chancellors, 127 Farewell [RAJYA SABHA] to Members 128

[Shri A. K. A. Abdul SamactJ this House, this small House, so that I can are carried on even today. So, we are thankful work in the larger house of the country, and to the Government that they are respecting the Insha Allah, we will play our part full well minority point of view also. with your blessings. Sir, somebody referred that there was a SHRI B. P. NAGARAJA MURTHY minority Government here. 1 do not think so. (Karnataka): I fully associate myself with the They had a slender majority in this House. In sweet sentiments expressed by the previous spite of this, they had carried on with many speakers of this House and I do not like to votes all these, measures because of the repeat what they have already expressed and persuasion of one man, that is Shri Om Mehta. take the precious time of the House. He entered this House as Om Mehtaji and now he has become Home Mehtaji. Sir, I have spent nearly 29 years in the political field. But out of these 29 years, this When I rcall to my memory about the period of six years in this House is a very presiding officers, I recall vividness that memorable one in my political life. In this term gracious lady, that indomitable lady Margaret of six years I have gained much experience and Alva. my wisdom has been enriched and my vision has been broadened. I do not regret having to AN HON. MEMBER: Mrs. Violet Alva, retire at ! the end of the sixth year, because I not . am one of the disciples of the great social SHRI A. K. A. ABDUL SAMAD: Yes, reformer of the 12th century, Shri Mrs. Violet Alva. Perhaps, Smt. Margaret Baseveswara, who preached the 20-Point Alva would also occupy the same seat one Programme enunciated by the Prime Mini-ter day. Coming to Mrs. Violet Alva, Sir, that lady now. I am going to dedicate myself to the conducted the House, with all dignity. She was implementation of the 20-Point Programme able to control not only the untruly members enunciated by the Prime Minister. Though I but also the unruly husband who raised so have spent a considerable time in cities and many questions. Sir, I have spent 12 years in towns, for the last 15 years I have gone back to this House. I vividly remember this illustrious the village to serve the poor, innocent rural Prime Minister now—today she is occupying people. The country is so wide. I dedicate such a high position in our country—when she myself to the service of the poor rural people. entered this House as a Member and then Thank you. Minister. This period has been referred to by a journalist as a difficult decade. No doubt, it THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRIMATI was a difficult decade but it was a dynamic INDIRA GANDHI): Mr. Chairman, Sir, decade. Now, so many people have said—and parting is always a matter of sorrow. Our there are so many people cisms—about the friends who have spoken have been eloquent functioning of democracy here. I remember in recalling the events of past years, the reference made by our Prime Minister that remembering the sacrifices and services, "Democracy is not destroyed in the country; it highlighting the spirit of comradeship and is only derailed." I have got every hope that cooperation, of standing together in times she will put it on the right track and we will good and bad. I have been—and I am sure all have the fullest freedom in the country as hon. Members who have listened have been— desired by our respected senior Member, Shri greatly moved by the sentiments expressed. T. N. Singh. Many of the hon'ble Members who are leaving the House have added to the dignity of the Sir, with these words, I once again thank House and the quality of its debates. This is my senior colleagues. T am leaving not an occasion for discussion although my senior 129 Farewell [1 APRIL 1976] to Members 130 friend, Shri T. N. Singh, has raised various steps in good lime, the situation would not points about planning and other matters. I have deteriorated as it did. But now and should like to point out that we do not write always we must consider first the good of the on a clean slate. Whatever we do today has to Indian people. I was happy to hear my friend be based, whether we like it or not, on what opposite speak about the unity of India, has gone before, on the situation which exists, because that is the first essential. And that in our country on the circumstances which unity had been threatened. surround us and outside and what is taking Several quotations have been cited, I also place in other countries. Not only the should like to quote a few words from population problem, but other problems also Mahatma Gandhi. They are from Tendul-kar's will remain with us for many years to come. I Mahatma, Vol. VIII. When a group of do not think any of us have any illusions that socialists full of vituperation against the these problems can be removed as if by Congress High Command for the situation at magic. that time which was mainly regarding the partition, went to see Mahatma Gandhi, he Shri Singh has also mentioned something said and I quote: about what foreigners say. The question arises : Which foreigners ? The question also arises: "Note down these words of an old man What have these particular osople said on past the age of three scores and ten. In the other occasions? Not only about democracy. times to come, people will not judge us by They have questioned our fight for freedom, the creed we profess, or the label we wear they have questioned our ability to remain or the slogans we shout, but by our work, independent, they have questioned our industry, sacrifice, honesty and purity of capacity to plan, they have questioned our character. They will want to know what we ability to be democratic, and they have, have actually done for them. But if you do questioned even our survical. I have seen not listen, if taking advantage of the headlines several inches high in Westrn prevailing misery and discontent of the newspapers and magazines : "Can India people, you set about to accentuate and Survive ?" We are used to such propaganda exploit it for party ends, it will recoil upon and we take it in our stride. We should not be your head and even God will not forgive unduly agitated or angry or upset. When you for your betrayal of the people." people say anything pertinent to our With regard to freedam of expression also, I conditions and what can be helpful to us, we would like to give one small quote which you certainly take note of it. have probably heard before. Justice Holmes of the U. S. A. said that freedom of expression Freedom of expression or other freedoms does not mean the freedom to shout fire in a are not threatened. There are certain curbs. crowded hall. Whatever we say is to be Those who say that democracy is not suitable viewed in the context and conditions of the know neither democracy nor do they know time. India. If democracy is not exactly as it was Sir, we have a tradition in this House and in before, this is because it was being misused. the country of not allowing political or The main question which I have put many personal differences to come in the way of times in this House and outside, is: 9 human relations during these years, there have Democracy for whom? Justice for whom been acrimonous pp^eches in the House Freedom of expression for whom? Sometimes generating an atmosphere of heat and we are confused in our minds. We think that bitterness. But it has been our effort not to let the freedom of a few journalists is more im- this affect our reltionship outside. I am sorry portant than the freedom of the vast majority that I wrote what the honourable Member of Indians to go ahead. Are these two opposite has called an angry letter. I thought incompatible? A particular atmosphere deve- that I did not get angry. But, obviously, he loped and I hold myself guilty of allowing it must have written something to develop as it did. Had we taken RSS/76—5 131 Papers laid [RAJYA SABHA] on the Table 132

[Shrimati Indira Gandhi] I. The following statements (in English which agitated me and if he has freedom to and Hindi) showing the action taken by express his views, so have I the freedom to Government on the various assurances, express mine. But if this was anger, it was not promises and undertakings given during the directed against him personally, but against sessions shown against each : some words which he might have used. I am not willing to concede that it was an angry (i) Statement No. XIX-Eighty-fifth letter. Session, 1973. (ii) Statement No. XVIII-Eighty- As the honourable Member, Shri Jairam-das sixth Session, 1973. Doltaram has remarked there is plenty of work to be done outside and I am sure that all our (iii) Statement No. XV-Eighty-ninth retiring Members will continue to serve in Session, 1974. their different ways. Wherever they are, they will have our sincere good wishes. Thank (iv) Statement No. XI-Ninetieth Ses- you, Sir. sion, 1974.

(v) Statement No. X-Ninety-first Ses- PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE sion, 1974. Notification under the Essential Commodi- (vi) Statement No. VIII-Ninety-second ties Act, 1955 Session, 1975.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (vii) Statement No. II-Ninety-fourth MINITTRY OF INDUSTRY AND CIVIL Session, 1976. SUPPLIES (SHRI B. P. MAURYA): Sir, I beg to lay on the Table, under sub-section (6) (viii) Statement No. I-Ninety-fifth Ses- of section (3) of the Essential Commodities sion, 1976. Act, 1955, a copy (in English and Hindi) of the Ministry of Indusry and Civil Supplies (Department of Industrial Development) II. A copy each (in English and Hindi) of Notification S. O. No. 1036, dated the 13th the following Notifications of the Cabinet March, 1976. Secretariat (Department of Personnel and Administrative Reforms), under sub-section I. Statements showing Action taken (2) of section 3 of the All India Services by Government on various Assurances, Act, 1951: promises and undertaking given during (i) Notification G.S.R. No. 233(E), different sessions. dated the 17th March, 1976, publishing II. Notification under the AH India Ser the Indian Administrative Service vice Act, 1951 (Fixation of Cadre Strength) Fifth Amendment Regulations, 1976. HI. Cabinet Secretariat (Department of (ii) Notification G.S.R. No. 234(E), Personnel and Administrative dated the 17th March, 1976, publishing Reforms Notification the Indian Administrative Service (Pay) Sixth Amendment Rules, 1976. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS. (iii) Notification G.S.R. No. 235(E), DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL AND dated the 17th March, 1976; publishing ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS AND the Indian Administrative Service DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY (Fixation of Cadre Strength) Sixth AFFAIRS (SHRI OM MEHTA): Amendment Regulations, 1976.