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STANDING COMMITTEE ON HUMAN SERVICES Hansard Verbatim Report No. 8 — May 10, 2021 Published under the authority of The Hon. Randy Weekes Speaker Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan Twenty-Ninth Legislature Hansard on the Internet Hansard and other documents of the Legislative Assembly are available within hours after each sitting. https://www.legassembly.sk.ca/Calendar STANDING COMMITTEE ON HUMAN SERVICES Mr. Ken Cheveldayoff, Chair Saskatoon Willowgrove Ms. Meara Conway, Deputy Chair Regina Elphinstone-Centre Mr. Ryan Domotor Cut Knife-Turtleford Mr. Muhammad Fiaz Regina Pasqua Mr. Derek Meyers Regina Walsh Acres Mr. Hugh Nerlien Kelvington-Wadena Ms. Alana Ross Prince Albert Northcote STANDING COMMITTEE ON HUMAN SERVICES 129 May 10, 2021 [The committee met at 14:58.] Today with Bill 19 we are looking to ensure that we are giving our human resource professionals every advantage necessary to The Chair: — All right. Good afternoon, committee members. compete in today’s market. The Act establishes two levels of Welcome to the Standing Committee on Human Services. I’m regulation: firstly, registration for members; and secondly, Ken Cheveldayoff, the MLA [Member of the Legislative certification for those who wish to pursue the Chartered Assembly] for Saskatoon Willowgrove, and I will be your Chair Professional in Human Resources, CPHR, designation. While this afternoon. Members of the committee are Ms. Meara this legislation does not provide for licensure, it does offer the Conway, the Deputy Chair; Mr. Muhammad Fiaz; Mr. Ryan ability to protect the public interest by ensuring professional Domotor; Mr. Derek Meyers; Mr. Hugh Nerlien; and Ms. Alana competence and ethical conduct of human resources, HR, Ross. Substituting for Ms. Meara Conway will be Ms. Vicki professionals. Mowat. I recognize Ms. Mowat. Our human resource professionals already hold themselves to a Ms. Mowat: — Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to move an high standard, but now with the ability to self-regulate they will amendment: be able to hold their members accountable for their actions. Additionally it increases the status and recognizes the skills and That the agenda be amended by adding the following as the proficiency of individuals in the human resources profession. first item of business and rescheduling the remaining items The move to self-regulation will only work to improve the level accordingly: of services that employers, workers, and their families can expect when dealing with a human resource professional. 3 p.m. to 6 p.m. — Questioning the Minister of Health regarding the provincial government’s response to Mr. Chair, our work in setting out the right legislation is an COVID-19 and management of long-term care. ongoing process, and we’re always open to hearing from stakeholders on legislation. And we’ll be proposing the following Mr. Cheveldayoff: — Thank you, Ms. Mowat. Committee House amendments to the Act: first, we will be amending the members, Ms. Mowat has moved the following motion: name of the Act to An Act respecting the Human Resource Professionals of the Chartered Professionals in Human That the agenda be amended by adding the following as the Resources Saskatchewan; second, the short title will be amended first item of business and rescheduling the remaining items to The Chartered Professionals in Human Resources Act; finally, accordingly: section 21 will be amended to make it clear that this Act only applies to the certification of chartered professionals in human 3 p.m. to 6 p.m. — Questioning of the Minister of Health resources. regarding the provincial government’s response to COVID-19 and management of long-term care. Both the Chartered Professionals in Human Resources Saskatchewan and the International Personnel Management Is that agreed? Association Canada have jointly proposed and endorsed these amendments. I understand that the critic has been working with Some Hon. Members: — Agreed. CPHR and IPMA-Canada [International Personnel Management Association Canada]. I want to extend my thanks to her for her Some Hon. Members: — No. collaboration and consultation in this respect. I have said before that working together with stakeholders helps us to develop The Chair: — I believe the nos have it. The motion is defeated. legislation that truly addresses the needs of individuals and Thank you very much. groups. And we continue to listen and talk with stakeholders to ensure the Act is not going to impede the good work of the human Today we will be considering three bills. We will first consider resource professionals in this province. Bill No. 19, and then we will recess briefly to change ministers and officials before considering Bill 3 and Bill 20. With that, Mr. Chair, I close, and I am happy to take questions to help us move forward in this legislation. Bill No. 19 — The Human Resources Profession Act The Chair: — All right. I recognize Ms. Beck. Clause 1 Ms. Beck: — Thank you, Minister. And thank you to Mr. Tuer The Chair: — First bill of consideration is Bill 19. I ask the as well. I got your name right today. Thank you to the committee minister and his officials to take their place. members. Hon. Mr. Morgan: — Thank you, Mr. Chair. As always, I I want to echo some of what you said, Minister, or perhaps enter appreciate the prompt start. We will continue to be like that into the record my appreciation for the willingness of the ministry throughout. to work through some of the considerations brought to us, particularly through the members of the IPMA, and for I’m pleased to join the members today to discuss Bill 19, The facilitating that discussion. Very much appreciated. Human Resources Profession Act. Our government is on the path for growth to ensure that every citizen can experience the benefits And I do have a copy of the letter that was sent to your ministry of a strong economy. To be successful we need to support a wide and I was cc’d on. So the first two changes, in fact the first three variety of industries, organizations, and professions. 130 Human Services Committee May 10, 2021 changes are pretty straightforward, and they are in fact the Ms. Beck: — Thank you. And thank you both for that changes that were jointly agreed to by the members of these two description. I’m going to admit, somewhat embarrassingly, on professional bodies. record that I was looking at amendments not to this bill. So the three that were there are the ones that were outlined in the letter, The last two amendments, I just wondered if, Minister, yourself and I thank you for that. And I also was remiss in not thanking or your officials could speak to the reasons for these last two you for the technical briefing this morning with Ms. Parenteau amendments. So the first one being clause 10, and my apologies, and Mr. Siebert . or with Anastasiia, rather. So thank you for my numbers don’t line up with the amended numbers in the new that. bill. So the first being the change to clause 9. If you could describe the changes that are proposed there. So I think in terms of the concerns that we had — and I will note on record that it was heartening to see the level of engagement Hon. Mr. Morgan: — I’m not sure of where in the bill you’re from the professionals with this bill — I think that’s always a asking. Clause 1 of the proposed amendment deals with the name good thing when we’ve got a high level of interest. We had a change. And then clause 21 may be what you’re referring to, number of emails to our office, and I’ve had opportunity to speak where it renumbers section 21(1), and then it changes the with both organizations. And they were both very happy with the abbreviation CPHR, or any word, title, or designation. So it’s a amendments as we see in front of us. So thank you for that and definitional thing. sorry to give you a bit of a scare. And then it adds the following after subsection (1): Hon. Mr. Morgan: — I acknowledge the work that was done with the different people of the ministry. Initially when we Notwithstanding subsection (1), this Act does not affect or started, both of the groups were working together and were interfere with the right of any person who is not a member sharing professional development, a variety of things. For of the association to practise in the field of Human whatever reason there was a breakdown in communication, Resources or to become a certified professional with a whatever, and then the bill was no longer supported by both human resources association other than the Chartered sides. Professionals in Human Resources Saskatchewan. So I’m glad that they reached out. I’m glad that the parties stayed So if that’s the section that you’re inquiring about, the purpose engaged and were able to find a path forward. This bill, as I think of it would be that this is not an exclusive designation. You’re I’d indicated to you on the phone, is not a government initiative, still entitled to practise in that profession. You’re just not entitled it’s requested by the profession. So I think it’s our role to try and to use the name “chartered human resources professional.” be a coach where it’s appropriate, a referee where there’s two competing views, but never a goalie. So I would use the analogy of a person that works in a hairdressing salon. The person may have started there, worked Ms. Beck: — Thank you for the analogy, and certainly I there, but does not have a professional designation.