Wednesday, July 13, 1977 Asadha 22, 1899 (Saka)

LOK SABHA DEBATES

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[June 23 to July 4, 1977/Asadha 2 to 13, 1899 (Saks)]

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Second Session, i*77/i*9J (Saka)

(Vol. I l l contains Nos. 11 to 20)

L O K SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI • C ONTENTS • • No. 28, We.Ues.iay, Ju'y 13, 1977 lAsadha 22, 1899 (*Saka)

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Oral Answers to Questions : * , . ‘Starred Questions Nos. 445, 447 and 449 to 451 . . . I—29 ; Short Notice Question No; 17 • • 29— 40 Written Answers to Questions :

Starred Questions Nos. 446, 448, 452 to 460 and 462 to 464 . 40—61

U.istarreJ Questions Nos. 3285 to 3299, 3301 to 3369, 3371 to 3432, 3434 to 3437 and 3439 to 3461 .... 61—220

Papers Laid on the Table ...... 220—23

Committee o;i Private Members Bills and Resolutions— Second Report ...... 223 Statement re. Discontinuance of Institution o f Civilian Awards— Shi^Morarji Desai ...... 224

Tributes toihe Speaker (Shri N. Saajiva Redly) on his relinqui­ shing t ie office of Speaker ...... 225—236 Shri Morarji D e s a i ...... 228 Shri Yeshwant Rao Chavan ...... 228-29 Shri Jyotirnaoy Bosu ...... 229—31 Prof. P. G.. M a v a la n k a r ...... 231-32 Shri M. N..Govindan N air...... 232-33 Shri V. Arunachalam . * ...... 233-34 Shri Tridib C h a u d h u r i ...... ■ . 234 Shri G. M. B a n a tw a lla ...... 234-35 Shri dhitta B a s u ...... 235-36 Shri A. E. T. B a r r o w ...... 236

Demandslfor Grants- 1977-78— Ministry o f Home Affairs . . . . . 237—390 Shri Ram Vilas Paswan ...... 239—48 Shri Ramji Lai S u m a n ...... 248— 55

•The sign + marked above the name o f a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor o f the House by that Member. (H)

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Shri M. Kalyanasundaram ...... 255—63 Shri Om Prakash T y a g i ...... 263— 71 Shri F. H. Mohsin ...... 271— 78 Shri D. N. Tiwary ...... 278— 86 Shrimati Rano M. Shaiza ...... 286—90 ‘Shri Kusuma Krishna Murthy . . 290— 99 ‘ Shri B; C. Kambte . .• ...... 299—303 Shrimati Renuka Devi Barkataki...... 303— 309 - Shri Ram Marti ...... 309— 18 Dr. Henry A u s t i n ...... 3*8— 22 “’Shri Eduardo F a le ir o ...... 322—26 Shri Ram Jethmalani . . . . • . . 326— 37 Shri Jyotirmoy B o s u ...... 337—42 Shri Charan. S i n g h ...... 342— 382

Announcement re: Resignation o f the office of the Speaker . . 266 • • Half-an-Hour Discussion—

Rise in Prices o f Essential Commodities— Dr. Laxminarayao Pandeya ...... 391— 98 Dr. Sushila Nayar ...... 399-400 Shri K. Lakkappa* ...... 401—4°3 Shri Jyotirmoy B o s u ...... 403-404 Shri Mani Ram Bagri. . . . . < . . . . . 405—4 °7 Shri Mohan Dharia ...... 407— 16 LOK SABHA DEBATES

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LOK SABHA THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (a) and (b). A Wirelss message was sent Wednesday, July 13, ldll/Asadha 22, 1899 ( Saka) to all State Governments and Union Territory Administrations on 26 th June, 1975, advising them, inter-alia, The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the to make preventive arrests to the Clock extent necessary to prevent formation of crowds or processions or any from [Mr. Speaker in the Chair] of agitation likely to lead to violence ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS in the context of emergency. Another message was sent on the same jlay, Orders for arrest and release of persons advising them to consider arrest/ de­ tention of all influential and active *445. SHRI NIRMAL CHANDRA elements of the Bharatiya Jana Sangh JAIN: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: and RSSS A message was also issued on 28th June, 1975 to the Chief Min­ (a) the nature of the orders issued isters, requesting them that the Min­ orally, through wireless, telephone or ister for Information & Broadcasting some other medium by the Central be consulted in case it was considered Government for the arrest of workers, employees and othehr persons to the necessary by them to arrest editors of State or District Administration from newspapers or journalists. Govern­ the 24th to 30th June, 1975 after the ment have no record of orders issued promulgation of emergency in the orally or by telephone in this behalf. country ; However, it is well-known that cer­ (b) the number of such orders; tain important leaders were arrested even prior to the issue of formal ins­ lc) whether a list 0f all the arrest­ ed persons, under MISA or under any tructions on 26th June, 1975. other rule, used to be sent to the Cen­ tral Government; and (c) As required under the provis­ ions of MISA the State Governments (d) whether the orders of their re­ furnished to the Central Government lease were issued by the Central Gov­ particulars of persons detained under ernment, or the State or the District the Act. There is no such provision Administration were competent to under the Defence and Internal Secu­ order their release? rity of India Rules, 1971. 1351 LS— 1. 3 Oral Answers JULY 13, 1977 ,v- Oral Answers

(d) The detaining authorities were 5mr>r ^ far «d«ia competent to revoke the detention orders passed by them as per provi­ $ 5n^#iTrn+ ^ir *r*f *r P>h% sions of the law. However, the Cen­ }<*>IS?T %f%7RT?ft m *T®£ tral Government had issued guidelines W | I 5PT cTT %TT *ft *TFT I ^TcT, eft ^TcT f^TT ?Tft ^Tcft

TTPRhr *reft *ft % % t • Jfft rf^T ti % rftT TT f+^Tl TT ?pft ^ f^TT ^ f% 26 vsjrT %■ stt%9 t cft^T ^Tff fann | I % ozrf^rraY ^fr pK4dK % £ | mation of Emergency and those follow­ STt*£*T qft »lf «ft I 9ft ^ ftj^3PT5T ing the proclamation of Emergency— justification for the proclamation of ? ^ w i t *i l<; «t>i*cW«T | ? ful. That is all. Otherwise, it would mean sutting out the House from dis­ cussing the whole of Emergency. It sft tt^«t fir? : % f^rrr ^ tt cannot be done. The House cannot be STM ^ / cTT I I shut out from discussing the whole of Emergency. <. will be shut out. % f^nrra ^ R ic w k ^ r r 1 ft ^ ^TPTTT ^Tfrft f f% trnr MR. SPEAKER- Now Mr. Jain will ask his second question. ffr<8* TfT?TTT f'rmn 3T»T- sts;t wrr snft fe n w fVirc sftr u d < PiI'WK jt ^1 ft% *Tf T^T | % ^ I

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«ft HT«T f a ? : JMH+id 5ft jt^ jrPTTr =srr^rft | ftr f^r% rl« % WTOTT TT ^t ^ 5 sn^fr fjRWR *r^ i ^ I rft Tt^ fV'MS ft f%TT ^ft «rraWPrTT t I V * £ I SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: The; hon. Home Miaister may kindly forget for «ft w i : jft^TT % a moment about the emergency ^and STTTORt ft JTT 5ft 9 X V R , UT the MISA. As we seey the anti-social 7 Oral Answers JULY 13, 1977 Oral Answers 8

activities are on the increase now. What is the law that he is going to TTH Tt *T^*TT *f\T SRTT7W *T^r- use now to prevent the activities of snr # *ft v f «ft ? the anti-social elements? (Interrup­ tions) s ' MR. SPEAKER: Please don’t think that the Minister will have information MR. SPEAKER: Order, order; the on all these questions. It looks as if Question relates to (he period from the whole House is anxious to ask 24th to 30th June, 1975. If you desire, questions on this subject. At some you can put a separate question on this stage, we will have to go to the more subject. constructive questions, which are there, like planning questions and economic questions. These are very : 26 ^T, important. The moment, you say 1975 % 3TC ’MNId+M % stTff emergency, the whole Hause on this f%f»T5r Tratffwr qifeff side is anxious to ask questions. You forget about planning, employment % «rf?r % fasrrfsnflf Tt *ft*ff and economic issues. Let us not do ’HI Pi +l^'TlCN % f^TT'RTrC fV>*i I that. «tt * f t r

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^ (b) whether Government of Karna­ of the Western Ghats region, the Re­ taka had identified 55 taluks as com­ port of the Irrigation Commission has prising the western ghats region and been taken into consideration. The that the High Level Committee felt Report of the Irrigation Commission the programme be implemented in considers only the aspect of irrigation 28 taluks only during the Fifth Plan; and the sources for irrigation and does .(c) whether the High Level Com­ not concern itself with other matters. mittee has followed the description of Will the Government therefore be ' the western ghats as contained in the pleased to direct or instruct the High report of the Second Irrigation Com­ Level Committee that it may cosider mission as basis for identifying the the adjacent areas also, which form taluks which are mere physiographic an integral part of this Western Ghats description of the region; and scheme? (d) if so, whether Government of SHRI MORARJI DESAI: The whole India propose to take immediate ac­ area that was covered consisted of tion to accept the 55 talks identified thirty five Taluks of Karnataka by Government of Karnataka as large instead of 28 as was suggested by the tracts of Malnad have been left out of Irrigation Commission. They have the present delineation? taken 23 out of these 28 and have added 12 new ones. Therefore, what THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI the Hon. Member has suggested has al­ MORARJI DESAI;; (a) A High Level ready been taken into consideration. Committee under the Chairmanship of Chief Minister, Maharashtra compris­ Now, it is not right to say, if I have ing the Chief Ministers of Karnataka, heard him aright, that Rs. 200 crores Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Goa, Daman & have been set apart. Rs 20 crores Diu, Union Minister for Heavy Indus­ tries, Chairman, Atomic Energy have been allotted in the Fifth Five Year Plan for this purpose, out of Department and Member, Planning which Rs. 83 lakhs were spent in Commission, Pending final decision on 1974-75, Rs. 1.43 lakhs are expected to the demarcation the Committee select­ have been sp^nt in 1975-76 and Rs. 4.5 ed the area for implementation of crors in 1976-77. Rs. 5.96 crores have Western Ghats Development Plan been allotted for 1977-78. based on the map given in the Second Irrigation Commission Report. SHRI A. R'. BADRI NARAYAN: In Cb) Yes, Sir. regard to the demarcation area what exactly is the Western Ghats integrat­ (c) Yes, Sir. ed region? Will the Government be pleased to suggest to the Commission (d> The identification of taluks to be that it may consider an integrated ap­ included under Western Ghats Develop! proach to the entire problem? ment Programmes is being further examined by the High Level Commit­ SHRI MORARJI DESAI; This has tee. The recommendations of the Committee, when received, will be been gone into and it is being gone into. Regarding town and country considered by the Planning Commis­ planning I think both the hon. Member sion. and myself would be laymen to decide SHRI A. R. BADRI NARAYAN: certain issues. The Planning Commission which has identified the Western Ghats as an SHRI K. GOPAL. I would like lo integrated region of immense potential, know whether the high level committee consistent with its area approach, has set up for development of western an outlay of Rs. 200 crores iii the Sixth ghats has considered the aspect of har­ Plan for its development. Now, in nessing waters to the maximum extent Tegard to the identification of the rrea and to divert the waters flowing into 15 Oral Answers JULY 13, 1977 Oral Answers the Arabian sea to the extent of fifty made by the State Government No per cent at present? Instead of the project specifically for the development waters being wasted, while considering of North Bengal has been referred to the development of Western Ghats or is pending with the Commission. will he consider the question of diver­ The States' Five Year Plan contains ting the water lo neighbouring States substantial provisions for investment so that it may be properly utilised? in North Bengal, including the develop­ ment of villages, rv.ads, rtiral markets, SHRI MORARJI DESAI; This is cold storages, milk production, traffic being considered. As a matter of fact, improvement schemes and industrial we are considering the harnessing of infrastructure. In addition to the nor­ all the waters available in India. mal Plan programmes for different sectors, a sum of Rs. 1 crore has been SHRI A. C. GEORGE; Nearly 300 provided in 1977-78 for special schemes miles of the southern tip of western for the improvement of drainage and ghats is on the eastern border of Kerala communications and the development and it is said that nearly Rs. 25 crores of growth centres. is set apart as part of the programme for Western Ghats Development. In SHRI K. B. CHETTRL* North Bengal view of the importance of the hill high­ has been neglected in every respect. way which forms part of the Western There is shortage of power creating Ghats Development, will the hon. difficulties for tea industry and other Prime Minister assure the House that industries. There is the Ramam Hy- a sizeable portion of the amount of del Project and if this is taken up the Rs. 25 crores will be set apart for the power shortage will be made good. devolepment of the hill highway in May I know whether you are going to the Kerala State? take up the project in the current year? What is the total expenditure SHRi MORARJI DESAI: I cannot and by which time this will be com­ make another special area in a special pleted? area. ^ SHRI MORARJI DESAI: 'This is for the State Government to say, not for Development Projects for North me. Bengal SHRI K. B. CHETTRI: In North *450. SHRI K. B. CHETTRI: Will Bengal there are backward places like the Minister of PLANNING be pleased Naxalbari-Phasidewa and Chopra- to state: Islampur. There is no industry (a) names of different projects there. There was a proposal of the cleared and to be cleared^ by Govern­ Government to set up a paper mill. I ment for the development of North would like to know whether Govern­ Bengal; ment is considering to set up a paper mill there and if so what are the (b) whether Government of West salient features. Bengal has submitted any scheme for the development of North Bengal; and SHRI MORARIJI DESAI: This again has to be proposed by the State (c) if so, main features thereof? Government as I said. I do not know of any paper plant just now.. I will THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI certainly find it out. MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (c). The Planning Commission approves out­ SHRI SAMAR GUHA: When Dr. lays for various heads of development K. L. Rao was the Minister for Irriga­ for the State as a whole. Allocations tion and Power, he made a statement— for individual projects or areas ate not once but on several occasions, on 17 Oral Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers i£ the floor of the House stating that*a on this issue. I want to know whether power Plant will be set up in some the Central Government .will consider part of North Bengal—nearabout West this issue as a very special issue in Bengal—Dalkola—which will cover in view of what has been stated in the the necessity of power supply to floor of the House right now? North Bengal and North Bihar. MR. SPEAKER; He has already I want to know from the Prime answered that. Minister what has happened to that announced power plant at Dalkola. SHRI CHITTA BASU: May I know from the hon. Prime Minister whether SHRI MORARJl DESAI; I do not in view of the development of North know much about this particular Bengal being of strategic importance, power plant. As I said I will have to he will consider the feasibility and de­ find out. The information is not with sirability of studying some special' me. project under the Central Plan to> meet the growing requirements of SHRI SAMAR GUHA: This may that area in addition to the State Plans- lead to the development of North Ben­ in this behalf? gal—not North Bihar.

SHRI JOYTIRMOY BOSU: Sir, in SHRI MORARJl DESAI: If that is view of the fact that North Bengal’s going to help this area and if it is also- production of tea and jute is contri­ in the national interest, Government buting substantially to the central ex­ will certainly consider it. chequer in the shape of foreign ex­ change, we want the flow to remain SHRI JOYTIRMOY BOSU: This uninterrupted. Will the Prime Minis­ should be in addition to the State. ter kindly consider—as to what they Project. are going to do with regard to the master plan covering Teesta so as to SHRI MORARJl DESAI: I cannot stop flooding of water due to siltation say that. If it is an additional pro­ of river? ject, then I will have to find funds lo r 1 that. SHRI MORARJl DESAI: Master Plan is the concern of the State. Production of Khadi SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Teesta Plan is for North Bengal. *451. SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN; Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be- SHRI MORARJl DESAI: 'That must pleased to state: be in the State Plan. It cannot be in the Central Plan. As I said, if the (a) whether Government propose to State does it, we will accept it. Let step up the production of Khadi in them say that they will have it in the the country during the current finan­ State Plan. I cannot suggest any cial year; plan only for North Bengal. More (b) whether Government are also than that, there 40 per cent of"the peo­ proposing to set up more Khadi units ple are scheduled castes and tribals. in the country; Therefore, it is even more necessary to pay attention to it. I have no doubt (c) if so, the total amount allocated about it and, if the State Government for the development and production sends a Plan for that as part of their of the Khadi for the current year; and Plan, we will certainly be helpful. (d) whether Government are also SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: The considering to reduce the price of question should actually be elaborated Khadi? -.19 Oral Answer» JULY 13, 1577Oral Answers

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY SHRI SONU SINGH PATIL: Sir, in (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES); (a) view of the fact *hat the Janata Yes, Sir. Party’s active members have now (b) Yes, Sir. agreed to wearing of khadar, thus resulting in more off-take of khadi, (c) Rs. 18.10 crores have been allo­ will the hon’ble Minister consider the cated for the development and pro­ desirability of prodding more funds? duction of the Khadi for the current year as against Rs. 15.00 crores allot­ SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Theret ted last year. has been an increase of 2l per cent' •(d) Actual price of khadi cloth in the current year's outlay. The Finance Minister in the course of his would have to depend on the price of Budget speech has observed that no raw* materials like cotton, wool and khadi programme would be allowed cocoon. Cotton and wool have a ten­ dency of rising prices but in cocoon to suffer because of lack of funds. there is expectation of a downward trend. The price of the clpth will re­ DR. SUSHILA NAYAR: I would gister increase or decrease according­ like to know from the hon'ble Minis­ ly. ter whether the scheme under which the Khadi Commission was giving SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN: May cloth in return for yarn brought by 1 know from the hon. Minister whe­ the consumer, wi7l be re-introduced ther he can give a specific answer to as it helps a lot of people. my question as to whether there is any proposal to reduce the price of Khadi without affecting the producers, Secondly, Sir, khadi is meant to help the poorest people. The poorest that is the spinners and weavers be­ cause this is an important and vital people can only use the ordinary point. At times we are giving—on im­ charkha and not the ambar charkha. portant occasion—10 to 15 percent Khadi Commission is at present re­ commission. At least, will the fusing to take yarn of the ordinary Government now come forward to charkha? Has the government any effect a substantial reduction in khadi proposal to reverse this so that the price? yarn of ordinary charkha is also ac­ cepted by the Khadi Commission? SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: The price will depejid on the cost of in­ put that goes into it. In the case SHRI GEORGE FARNANDES: I of khadi much will depend on the .in­ shall examine both these suggestions. puts that go into it. So far as subsidy SHRI V AS ANT SATHE; Khadi sym­ is concerned, that is a separate issue. bolises the spirit of self-reliance and That can be examined. swadeshi. I woult* like to know- in SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN: Whe­ the modern context—is there any ther Government has got any propo­ thought of helping the spinning of sal to give subsidy is my question. khadi yarn as well as weaving to be modernised. Whether it is essential MR. SPEAKER: He said it will be that only cotton yarn be considered as 'considered. a raw-material for khadi? Tf it is SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN: I possible to supply man-made fibre nt a want to know whether t Government cheap rate to the khadi producers will has got a proposal specifically to give you consider taking that also? subsidy to the producers, that is, the SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I weavers and spinners. am glad, Sir, the hon’ble Member SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: has realised the importance of khadi There is no such proposal at the mo­ because since 1965-66 there has been ment. a steady fall in the production of 21 Oral Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22

khadi in the country. In 1965-66 the % STT^ if % ^q- tfTTTC Pf# TT5T production of khadi in the country was 84.85 million sq. metres whereas in the current year it is only 61.40 ^TrW I million sq. metres. Similarly, so far as employment is concerned there is also a fall from 18.95 lakhs to 10.55 SHRI R. VENK AT AR AM AN r The lakhs. At the moment there is a pro­ definition of khadi is that it is hand- posal from the Khadi and Village In­ spun and hand-woven. The hon.Minis- dustries Commission for the utilisation ter has haid that they have proposals under consideration to use hand-made of man-made fibre. fibres. The handloom industry is al­ sft w r 3ft ready asing the man-made fibres and the mill-r.pji yarns. Will the hon. fa Minister kindly see that khadi is not I ft? fswif if % diluted and degraded? t ir f % *Tr*T-*rr*T srmr *ft srr* : 5*rrft tflr unr fsraft sr^rnsr ?r^f «rr, ^ sr^n^ «arct rru? wVr €f*rcr fsr^rsr ^ 4Y?h Hi crr^ t ?trt prr «rr i

4 3 g ftp JT^TT *PT tT=p qsrra THE FRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJl DESAI); The idea is not lo 5TW I I use that man-made fibre straight into weaving. The iriet. is to use that mate­ ’Trmnr m** : rial for spinning yarn and then weav­ STEZTST TT^toT, fa^TT % *f f>T% § ing into cloth. Therefore, there is no question of dilution of the principle. wren g w s r 'Y sftr *?rfV Does gentlsmnn understand khadi at % ?T>ff % 3ft«RTf

if sfV arm T lf fir?TT TT3JT STl^t «ftT | Sfk f^T5TT sr^rra- | i *rTT tft ^ t ^5t WFTTTT | | ^tfif 7 0 0 ^ t ^ t SFTTCj t I wta SMTO ?m*ft : ^T#t ?rci>.% T tf »ft h w m wmT ^ f«p % stpt ^TcT^ sT'^r-ipi^ w?r *r ^Tifr qft fW fw % wrsiTT qr irfr 5mr?r ?rnrf 23 Oral Answers JULY 13, 1977 Oral Answers 24

eT^ ofgd *T fa d } ^ snrer | 1 w t *ta Y Tmterhr jit ^Kt *tttt ^ qr Vnftrffl^T ?*f faTC ftrTT t|, aft far fw f *ft ipmrfr ?r*n^ | tuifr ^nrr | *Tsf vfe ^TFfi-q- *nr % *rc ftr^R *rfpft | 1 wt£i sprfa sr^r grft *?r st t t ^ ?mrr^irr 3r arp- *f\ ^hjt ts t ^nrfr | i in the villages can be reduced.

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Eventhough the off-take of khadi is 20 per cent SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: That more *han the previous year, it seems is our effort. that the marketing of khadi cloth is very poor. Moreover, the khadi cloth is not made available to the poorer snrenft srcn* *rre* : sections in the rural areas. There is ^■emr Sr ^ q r^ r Jf m ft no marketing system in the villages ftrtrff % ^r^r^nr ^rr *?Wf May I know fTGin the hon. Minister what are the more effective steps that tffaft ^ fen tot %ftr ^nr % are going tc* te tsken in regard to the t rr«rt ¥V© ?rrfo sqrro ^rr marketing of khadi so that it can reach the rural population? ^p fh r ft>qT q-2TT I # 5TRHI x|T^dI' ^ ^sft ^TRt ygftVM qT SHRI GEORG2 FERNANDES; At ^ 4^ 1 the moment w«? have 4000 outlets all oqq^T ^77% % tsT over the country. We are now con­ cerned with the question of marketing ^ft^rr ^Tcrr< % fWmrfhr | 1 srar the product. In fact that has been one cT+ +li^T ^ rii's V «T of the major handicaps in so far as this particular industry is concerned. cT^r # tPsrq- ^ We are examining the question and I w t 1 fzrr am sure some sclution will be found. ^r^rftrfV ^ ht °n^H ?

sft SlftVT ?TPT rcrpft : 3r Tnrsnft I , *r?fr ^rff *nt «ft | i «bt^ w m ^fWt % ^ ^ t r t t , 3 0 0 VT jfKTT | ^-4*11 t I fprfiT ^r^ft tffcfr «h % Jf f o r 5^, rft 5^ ^<1 Vi’ «r»^u I Oral Answers ASADHA 22. 1899 (SAI£A) Oral Answers 26

SPTCWft JTOR : STOTST t o ? ^ r 1 1 ?nn: ??r ir ^ nftor,tpP *ft sr^r Tr »STW 55TR f t f r f?RT 5TTR 9T?V ?T^t firn tot £ 1 gm ? fr *nft 5 ;rrf arnr, 5ft ?*r ^ r t t R r t t f>^*r, ^ T im jt t p t t t ^1 fr?T% ^fpft % *ftr ^'t ?^rm'Tr 1 3r?r ^ ^ fsre® *ftm ? tTt s V<> s n fo *t r o t t #wnrT ir ^n r t t % ^ i% ?r>ff (+fl Ottt% 3rr% g^grt J)n4tr fa? : wsjtst h^ k m , % --tft ir tt! ^pttrY ^ | i spr ^ stpt % Trra^r ^ % ^ T T ?ir $*ft ^TR^Rt i t s n N t , 5TT ?*T ^T?5TT g fT Traw ^r?fr % 317 TT 5f5T ITT fTCT ?ft ^?T 7?^% ^ ft % ^cTTH ^T mr t ^ 5fr ^ r t t T ift? R wtT ^Tteft wtsht tft t r - 7 ^?T ^TR ftniT 3IT^ ? UTsfi Tt , ir t) ^ I TOT House that Government wants to see srat vnm fm T*Tfarc *rk »mft *rr«r*r that the production of Kadhi goes up. But in reply to one supplementary tft %m Ttf’Trfrtft Tt stft

SHJU A. C. GEORGE: Sir, the Khadi Jf Gramodyog Bhavan in Bombay is one TT W STTrTT ^ s p t T tf of the most important outlets. If I jrferfjTfgr^ H ft | 1 ^t w-sri w^r remember correct it has the maximum W Tiftvnr Jfincriif|t^!TTt turn over among the Khadi Bhandars in this country. In view of the fact Wt^JTgf ^ | I that the Minister is trying his best to improve the marketing, is the Minister They are all sufjer-imposed white aware that for the past 22 days it has elephants who have either been de­ been closed down due to labour trouble feated politicians or congressites in Will the Minister see that their just power previously. demands are met and the Khadi Gramodhyog Bhavan reopened at the earliest opportunity. sft I 3 ^ 5 * ft TitT | I fJT STTOT TTSt | SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Sir. I will look into that. 5^rff5?r aft i % * n w r *r it mft 5fr t ?!T *Ft 55T if W RTRt ?>ft I

*rt wftur srai* : ff *f$ft % ^TR'TT ■'Mfjl l g f% jfl *ft qTfr T t p ro ^TTCt | T t SfeT jfVST J|M+I<1 I ffT f^%ir ITTT5 grct T»ft9H T O f f t f t STfift | I % ift T*T^rrt ^ ^ rMMt^ qT% t 5ft WT 3ft gift TT 3rqr?^ *ft snaf qpfarfrff : %q % % ftrtr ift 353TR qr frrn : *f TO ^M+lO frfTTrT TTrft Tfjft I % $rT;T, TfFT-HlTT % rftx- rrft^sftr wrf? grt^%f?T(T Ttf «ft wm : ®r % '•lin’l l I?;riI |jf f% <31’sT q?t f'Jtrl’lY *ii*l 9?mft «TT Tj?t ^ ^ n P ti'l sft wwf T tl srftTTHT ^3TT W | fo aft g^rr^ ?*r q^t | i tft r m l w | ^ %

gV* *1*T : *fsft % SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I do not have before me at the moment gaTOT fa *r ^ qr^r any such complaint. q ? »p t t | srtr Tfara1 | ^rffT 5 TcT eft WfJT I fa MR. SPEAKER: Short Notice Question. a ft ^ r t t SRT% I «T T » f t ^T*rfSrT ?T$f fcr sfft TTT’JT 3ft 5TKt Vf SRPt SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: * 1 % I T t 35% T T *T i f m # = M iid On a point of order, Sir. 0 29 Oral Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 30

MR. SPEAKER: I know the next there is an understanding that dis­ question is yours and it is very im­ cussions would be held between portant. But what can I do? So U.S.A and India on the larger question many members rose to put supple- of nuclear proliferation. mentaries on the previous question. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: 'Sir, I SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: am quoting an observation and I The proviso to rule 46 reads thus: would like the hon. Prime Minister to say whether it is correct or not: “Provided that a question not reached for or'al answer may be “Apart from various delay in answered after the end of the approving contracted supplies of Question Hour with the permission fuel for Tarapur, explanation at of the Speaker if the Minister re­ the lower level of President Car­ presents to the Speaker that the ter’s new nuclear policy leave little question is one of special public doubt that all efforts would be interest to which he desires to give made to persuade India to open all a reply." its nuclear facilities to internation­ al inspection and to prevent it from I hope you will grant me permission, re-processing spent fuel derived Sir, to put it and the Minister also is prepared to answer the question. from whatever source.’1 Is the observation correct and is MR. SPEAKER: You can speak there a condition like that in the for yourself but you are speaking for agreement between our government the Minister lalsoi and the US Government? Now, Short Notice Question. SHRI MORARJI DESAI: There is no sueh condition. If there is a con­ SHORT NOTICE QUESTION dition, I will never agree to it. Supply of Uranium by USA for SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; What Tarapur Atomic Power Station are the reasons why the US stopped -h supply of enriched uranium to India? S.N.Q. 17. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: It is a fact that the US is committed SHRI SAUGATA ROY: to supply nuclear fuel to the Tarar DR. MURLI MANOHAR pur reactor for its life time, but by JOSHI: raising the bogey of nuclear proli­ SHRI G. M. BANAT­ feration, pressure has been built up WALLA: in that country against maintaining SHRI C. K. CHANDRA- supplies to India. The US adminis­ PPAN: tration dilly-dallied over the pre­ vious consignment of nine tonnes for Will the Minister of ATOMIC over a year and India had to spend ENERGY be pleased to state: 1 lakh dollars to transport the ura­ (a) whether the U.S. Government nium by air at the last moment. Is have recently agreed to resume sup­ it correct or not? ply of enriched uraniunv to Tarapur SHRI MORARJI DESAI: It was Atomic Power Station; and held up for a year no doubt because (b) if so, under what conditions? of various objections raised. Those THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI objections are now withdrawn and MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). they have sent it already. And, we The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Com­ have not agreed to any condition. mission, on June 28, 1977, directed SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; What the issuance of the pending export about India having had to spend 1 licence XSNM-845 authorising the lakh dollars or Rs. 8 lakhs? shipment of enriched uranium fuel for the Tarapur Atomic Power Station. SHRI MORARJI DESAI: This is There is no pre-condition as such but news to me; I do not know. 31 ' Oral Answers JULY 13, 1977 Oral Answers

SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: Is it ways of using uranium: one is using a fact that since the peaceful ex­ uranium in the natural form, and an­ plosions of 1974, the United States other is using enricherd uranium. has been anxious to re-write the The Tarapur plant is built for enrich­ agreement for the supply of enriched ed uranium; andt therefore, there it uranium to our Tarapur atomic has to be used. We cannot use na­ power station? Was our government tural uranium, therp If you want sounded by the United States in the to do that, we will have to scrap the matter to the effect that it wishes to plant and build a new plant, which so re-write the agreement that peace­ is not at all necessary. ful explosions by our country are made impossible in future? Coming to the other question on SHRI MORARJI DESAI: It is true nuclear proliferation, that question is that the explosion that was made here important for the whole world; and for peaceful purposes—as it was we are interested in it as much. The claimed—has been misunderstood. difficulty was only about signing a And, therefore, it created all these treaty. We have not signed it. I said difficulties. There is no question of that as long as those who possess any other explosion now for peace­ atomic weapons and go on doing the ful purposes. And this has been explosions do not give them up, we cleared in our talks. Therefore, this cannot sign a treaty like that, with is not going to arise now. those people. Therefore, there is no SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN; The question; but we are interested in Prime Minister had said that the U.S. seeing that proliferation does not take is sending enriched uranium to this pl-ace. We are interested, therefore, that these powerful countries also -country without any pre-condition. At the same time it i£ said, in the give up this policy; and it is on those last part of the statement, that there lines that we are going to have talks. will be talks between India and the United States on the question of nu­ SHRI SHYAMNANDAN^ MISHRA: clear proliferation. I would like to It beats me completely: Why should know, in this context, whether it was the Government of India recognize not a fact that the U.S. was exert­ the locus standi of the Regulatory ing a kind of pressure on our coun­ Commission? We have got a treaty try to toe its line on nuclear non­ between the U.S. and our country so proliferation; and otherwise to starve far as this Tarapur project is concern­ Tarapur of nuclear enriched ura­ ed. The terms of the treaty iare over­ nium? And now, when they are riding. They are absolute. But yet offering nuclear uranium fuel, what we are recognising the status of the is it that we should discuss with the Regulatory Commission. Now _ the U.S. on this basic policy of nuclear hon. Prime Minister was pleased to proliferation? say that the ' Regulatory Commission is disposed" favourably towards us. There is another matter. Are we Why should the Government of India in a position—I don’t know; I would persuade itself to accepting the status like the Prime Minister to answer— of the Regulatory Commission under to try to utilize our own uranium de­ the treaty? Secondly, what has been posits—may be not in the immediate the conclusive proof so far as the future—but is the government plann­ change in the attitude of the United ing with that perspective, to make States is concerned? Is it not the use of our own uranium resources for over-generous attitude of the Prime the future? Minister, as revealed in his state­ SHRI MORARJI DESAI: Coming to ment in May last, that he would be the last question first, there are two prepared for inspection by them of 33 Oral Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers

any one of these plants in this coun­ cant statement. He has stated that try? That is what was reported in there is n° question of any further the paper. peaceful explosion. Nuclear energy for peaceful purposes will always en­ SHRI MORARJI DESAI: I think it tail peaceful explosion. Now it looks is only in his imagination. I never as though the position is that there said it, and I will never agree to any is a new commitment by the Govern­ inspection by anybody, until they ment of India that they will not resort allow me to inspect their plants. to peaceful explosion, even if it is We are not going to allow it, and I necessary, because of international commitment. have said that. The hon. Member seems to be drawing on his imagina­ SHRI MORARJI DESAI: No such tion, I am afraid. I have not made explosion is necessary, in my view. that statement. I do not know how If the previous government had a dif­ he read this. I hope he will show ferent view, it is not my fault. They it to me so that I could pull up the were wrong in saying so. paper concerned how they could put a wrong thing in my mouth. There SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR: is no question of the Regulatory Com­ Will the hon. Prime Minister be plea­ mission being recognised by us. It is sed to state whether he has come not for me to keep the Regulatory across a newspaper report that our Commission or not to keep it. I have supply of enriched uranium will be not signed it and I am not going to in two consignments and that while sign it. the first consignment will be sent by T plane, the second consignment will be SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: despatched only after the American My question has been stopped in the inspection team has inspected the middle. i , " Tarapore plant? .■ * MR. SPEAKER: He has answered SHRI MORARJI DESAI; I do not it. know from where he has got this information. I do not know it. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: I am very glad that the Prime Mini­ SHRI YASHWANTRAO CHAVAN: ster has clarifled the position. But A ve*ry important question is being this is what appeared in the news­ discussed on account of this Short papers. Notice Question. We welcome the statement from the Prime Minister MR. SPEAKER: He has asked you that no condition of inspection is ac­ to show it to him. cepted. We are very ^lad for it. It is also very good that he has accepted SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: the position that we will not sign The further question I was about to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, ask was how much supplies have because it is discriminatory. We are been shipped by the United States very glad because this is the accept­ Government so far? ed policy of the Government for SHRI MORARJI DESAI: Licence long. Now he has expressed his for 12 tonnes was issued on 29-6-77 personal view about the explosion or and that is coming. implosion for peaceful purposes. Are we going by his personal views in this SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA: The matter, or are we guided by certain Prime Minister in the course of his scientific and technological views and reply just now made a very signifl- requirements in this matter? It is an accepted view, even in the world of 1351 L.S.—2 35 Oral Answers JULY 13, 1977 Oral Answers 36

nuclear scientists, that there is some­ explosion is necessary for a peaceful thing like peaceful explosion which purpose or( for use of atomic energy is necessary for developmental pur­ for peaceful purposes. That is the poses. It is an accepted proposition. conclusion I have reached. That is Have we given it up for all time only why I said there was no question of to get certain things from the Ame­ an explosion. But, if anything is rican Government? If that is so, we necessary, we can always have it in are afraid that possibly we are com­ consultation with other people. No­ promising a very great national inte­ body will object to it if it is neces­ rest in this matter, because the deve­ sary, if they are convinced. If I am lopment of nuclear technology is very convinced, I can convince them. If important. Therefore, I wish that I require your help, J will have to even by implication the Prime Minis­ convince you. Otherwise, nobody will ter has not accepted this position. I help me. would like to have a clarification on this point. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Although we are short of enriched uranium, we r ' SHRI MORARJl DESAI; I would have 0ur Jaduguda uranium ore. I be very happy if my hon- friend clari­ want to know from tHe hon. Prime fies his knowledge about atomic Minister wfrat steps have been taken energy. (Interruptions) to prepare enriched uranium from the nature ore of uranium that is available at Jaduguda. 1 am talking only of scientists. I do not claim to be a scientist; nor Secondly, I want to know from can the hon. Member "claim 'to be a the hon. Prime Minister whether scientist, I had taken science in my there lja3 been any kind of restric­ college days, but I have forgotten it, tion from the supplier 0f enriched I do not remember it now. uranium that when it is used in Tara- pur... MR. SPEAKER: It must have been long, long ago.' MR. SPEAKER: He" has repeated that there is no condition at all. You SHRI MORARJl DESAI; Even then, are wasting the time of the House by it is better. I had some scientific asking the same question. training. I wonder if he has it. That is why all the time shouting goes on. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: The trouble with enriched uranium is that its by­ SHRI YASHWANTRAO CHAV AN: product plutonium, is an, explosive The difficulty is about half-learning material. I want to know from him of science. whether any restriction has been im­ posed on the use of uranium for the SHRI MORARJl DESAI: Half- recovery of plutonium and the pre­ servation of plutonium^ in_ our stock­ leaming according to him, but how is he qualified to say what constitutes pile? learning of science? That is what he does not clarify. I do not want to Explosion for peaceful purposes enter into an argument. was made in Russia and U.S.A. Now they are using nuclear engineering for I agree with him that I should not exploration of oil, exploration of^ make a commitment for all future mines, construction of dams, diver­ time. I cannot say that I know every­ sion of rivers etc. I have followed thing about the future or even every­ this process of the peaceful uses of thing about the present, but as far nuclear energy for the last ten years as I have understood the question, I and innumerable questions and dis­ have came to this conclusion that no cussions have been raised in this 37 Oral Answers ASADHA 22/1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 38 House. I say that development of he said categorically that no nuclear nuclear engineering in our country has explosions are necessary for peaceful £ot great potential. Is it not a fact purposes. (Interruptions) I stand cor­ that the Atomic Energy Commission­ rected and we would be happy if that er is* completely differing with this is ruled out. I would like the Prime idea? They are of the opinion that Minister to answer this. Will he pre­ it can be used for very fruitful deve­ sent a white paper or some document lopmental purposes in our country, to this House so that this knowledge Jot the exploration of oil, for the that is available to him, can also be exploration of mines and also for made available to other Members o f diversification of rivers and construc­ Parliament who could then at least tion of danis. That w as the report of revise their original stand that nu­ the Atomic Energy Commission. clear explosions are necessary for peaceful purposes? SHRI MORARJI DESAI: I have *atd ve*y clearly that no authority in’ Ihe world can prevent us from doing SHRI MORARJI DESAI: I do not "what we want or if we think it is propose to do any such thing.’ necessary to use atomic energy and nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. PROF. P. G- MAVALANKAR:j ifh view of the fact that the workirtg of Tarapur“ Atomic Power Station was SHRI SAMAR GtTHA: Sir, I ask... considerably hampered'because of lack of supply of' enriched uraniuxli, may MR. SPEAKER: I ^suggest that some I'ask whether he has assured of hini- day we must have a meeting in the self that this supply will'now be .re­ Central Hall so that you can speak gular and adequate, and secondly, on nuclear energy. It will be very whether 'this was the point which a l» useful and it will be a very learned came up in his correspondence with lecture. Unfortunately, this is only President Carter when both ha^e a Question Hour. assumed power, one in America and the other happily in India? SHRI SAMAR GUHA: I will finish in one sentence. I ask the hon. Prime SHRI MORARJI DESAT: Well, I Minister to explain this. According hope, it will be regular now. But to the report and the decision of the who can say what will happen in the Atomic Energy Commission, they have future? That was certainly one of clearly said that peaceful nuclear the items in the correspondence too. engineering technology can be used for certain purposes. That was the SHRI A. C. GEORGE; In view of firm opinion of the Atomic Energy the fact that there is slight confusion Commission according to the report in the reply—I never question the that was made available to us. Have bonafides of our hon. Prime Minister; they changed their opinion now? may be there is a slight confusion in the use of words ‘implosion’ or ‘ex­ SHRI MORARJI DESAI: I have re­ plosion'—may I get a categorical as­ plied that already. Whatever nuclear surance from the Prime Minister that engineering is necessary for peaceful according to scientific advice for the purposes, will be done...... needs of the country, we will resort to any nuclear experiment—if he has r *>R. STJBRAMANIAM SWAMY; The any obsession about the word 'implo­ Prime Minister's statement today is sion' or 'explosion*—which is needed somewhat definite than the earlier for the development of this country? one which he made some time ago, when he said that -he did not know SHRI MORARJI DESAI: I do not /whether nuclear explosions were ne­ propose to say anything beyond what cessary for peaceful purposes. Now, I have stated. 39 Oral Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers

SHRI R. V. SWAMINA'THAN: May MR. SPEAKER: The second part is I know from the Prime Minister whet­ also answered. her it is not a fact that the supply of uranium by the U.S. Government is not under the treaty entered into by fasro frcnr tregfrT i f q*r India and U.S. and that one of the ^ T iii j fjp IT? T fT far terms is that it is obligatory on the part of the U.S. Government to supply wJrfwr aft ftn-r uranium regularly and, if so, what is the action that the Prime Minister is tot ? far *rt 5T$r going to take in this matter? » It, srr^rr % aft jj

(b) The Sub-commission agreed on In the field of information sciences, several new and expanded areas of apart from endorsing bilateral joint mutual interest for scientific coopera­ Indo-US seminars, the Sub-commission tion and scientific exchange. In the agreed on the need to explore the pos­ field of agriculture and water re­ sibility of cooperative programmes in sources, the new areas identified for new directions, e.g. improved access to cooperation will include improved crop US technical reports, compilation and production efficiency, plant pest and retrieval of information about scientific disease control, improved animal pro­ research, on line-searching in India of duction, improving the quality of food US data bases etc. and feed resources, improving the efficiency of Inorganic fertilisers, bio­ The Sub-commission also noted the logical nitrogen-fixation, use of plant need for joint examination of the materials for paper production, wildlife means of developing ocean science* conservation, economics of agricultural research programmes of mutual in* JULY 13, 1977 Written:>,Answ.e.rs~ 43 Written Answers Sessions Judge, Patn-a, under Sections [Shri -Morarji Desai] 120B/302, 109 and 201/109 LP.C. and terest and agreed on convening a sentenced. to imprisonment for life on workshop of ..:Scientists and officials for 29-11-1976, An appeal against the this purpose. judgement of the SesSlons Court was filed by Shri Sarkar. in. the. High Court Release of Shri Ananda Murti of on 25-1-1977. This has been admitted Ananda Marg and wilf be taken up when the court reopens after the summer vacation. *452. 'SHaT HARI VISHNU KAMATH: Since the matter is sub-judice, it is for Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS the courts to decide. whether. or not be pleased to state: the evidence against Shri P. R. Sarkar (a) whether it is a fact that re- alias Anand Murti is adequate aad reliable, or whether he could be ac- :presentations have ·been made to the effect that the leader of Ananda Marg, quitted of ,all, the charges or his bail / application GOuld:. be: aceepted .. -Shri Ana:rKle. Ml!1Iti ~ convicted en Ifal~ evidence, t~:1t ~e was poisoned -when he was in de.tention and that he be released on bail; pending appeal; TV Coverage of Public S'p1re

(Iii) Syed Abdulla Bukh ari , Shahi (c) who bore the,expenditure incur- .Imam, Jama Masjid, Delhi. red on the persons accompanying Shri- ':(iv) Lord Gardiner, M,P., U,K. Sanjay Gandhi during his visit tQ various places; and (v) Mrs. Jill Knight, M,P., U.K.

(vi) Mrs. Joyce Butler, M.P., U.K (d) the reaction of Government: thereto? (vii) Shri Edward Loyden, M.P., U.K. 'THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION (viii) Lord , M.P. AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K_ U.K. ADVANI): (a) A statement giving the- particulars of the TV coverages of' ,(c)- ~hri P, R. Sarkar-rrlias Anand public speeches of Shri Sanjay GandlU . .Murti was convicted by the Additional and his i visits to various places inside.'

"I. .... ,?' > 45^ Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 46 and outside the country during the information whether film stars, and film period July, 1975 to March 15, 1977 is actresses, who are private individuals, placed^on the Table of'the House. accompanied Shri San jay Gandhi dur­ ing his visits to various places. It is (b) and (c). The Aim and sound re­ also not possible for the Government to collect such information from in­ cording teams, who made the cover­ dividual film artists. ages in all cases, did not accompany Shri San jay GandhT. Independently they went on official tour to the venue (d) The publicity accorded to Shri of these events and the expenditure on San jay Gandhi by Government Media the travelling and daily allowance was is one of the matters which has been borne by the Government. In the case looked into by the Dass Committee on of Central Ministers and Government Misuse of Mass Media. Further action officials, the information is being col­ in the matter would depend on the lected £nd will be plaeed on the Table' findings at the Committee and G&vfeitt- 9i the Hogse. Governm«»t has b o BfflirtV deoitfioa t&arron.

Statem ent

T. V. coverages provided to the public speeches of Shri Sanjay Gandhi and his visits to various places Ivside and outside Country during the peiicd 1st July, 197 s to 15th March, 1977

December , 1975 10 Visit to old Delhi for cleanliness drive.

28-31 A.I.C.C. Sessior at K?ma GataM pt u Nagar—(thii cover?ge was part of the Coverage provided for the then Prime Minuter). January, 1976 20 Youth Congress function to felicitcte Yvgoslsv Ycuth Delegation in Delhi. 28 Speech at Meeting of Harijans in Delhi. February, 1976 21 Visit to Calcutta. 23 Visit to Patna. 26 Addressing Minority Community conference at Bhopal.

March3 1976 7 Speech at A.I.C.C. meeting 13 Visit to N.D. M C. Housing Colonies in D^lhi. 21 & 22 Visit to Andhra Pradesh. 24 & 25 Visit to Bikaner. 28 & 29 Visit to Lucknow and Rae-Bareilly. Interview with Melyrhm Daily.

April, 1976 a to 16 Visit to Ferozpur, Amritsar and other places in Punjcb erd Bznut in U. P.

May, 1976 2 & 3 Visit to Agra. 17 & 18 Visit to Lucknow, Sittpursnd Lrkhjr.pur in U.P. 23 to 26 Tour of West Bengal. 47 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 48

June, 1976 5 to 11 Visit to Moscow, Yaravan and Tashkent. (/This coverage, vf^s part of the then Prime Ministers visit to U.S.S.R.). 20 Visit to West U.P. 29 Visit to Bulandshahar. July, 1976 x 1 Visit to Sultanpur and Amethi. 9 & 10 Visit to Lucknow and Sultanpur.

August, 1976 1 Visit to Family Planning Camps in Haryana. 4 Visit to Bhatinda, Punjab. 6 ‘Visit to Government Servants colonies in South Delhi. 8 Visit to Re-settlement colonies in Delhi and speech at a Youth] Congress meetting. 21 Visit to Rajghat, Shanti Van and Vijay Ghat in Delhi. 24 Speech at a Family planning camp in Delhi.

September , 1976 6 Visit to South Delhi colonies. 21 Visit to Family planning camps in Delhi.

October , 1976 2 Inaugration of a new road in Narela. 3 & 4 Visit to Banswara, Rajasthan. 8 to 10 Visit to Mauritius (Dry) (The coverage at Mauritius was part of the coverage provided for the then Prime Minister. ) 13 Return from Mauritius (Film) . 16 & 17 Visit to Varanasi, Allahabad and Fatehpur. 18 Visit to Kanpur. 21 Visit to Youth Camp at Ajnala. 29 to 31 Visit to Bombay, Poona, Nagpur, Naiar da and Aurangabad. 3

November , 1976 9 Visit to Ajnaia.

14 Laying Foundation stone of a post office Id Delhi. 17 Press Conference in Delhi.

18 to 25 Speeches and engagement at Calcutta and the A. I. C. C. Session at Gauhati. (The coverage at Gauhati was a part of the coverage for the then Prime Minister). Visit to flood affected areas’ in Madras. V I 49 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 50

December , 1976

5 to 7 Visit to Saharanpur, Dehradun and Hardwar. 12 Foundation stone laying of Labour Colony in Delhi. 14 Inauguration of Youth magazine in Delhi. 18 to 19 Visit to Bihar. 23 Inauguration of Arya Yuvak Sammelan in Delhi. 25 & 26 Visit to flood- affected areas in Andhra Pradesh and address to Youth Congress. January, 1977 3 to 6 Visit to Lucknow, Sultanpur, Pratapgarh, Jaunpur and Rae- Bareilly. 8 to 10 Visit to Faizabad, Gorakhpur, Basti and Deoria. 11 Visit to Karnal. 13 Inauguration of Marriage consulting Cell in Delhi. 15 Visit to Patiala. ■- % ... 16 Visit to -Ganganagar, Bikaner and Jaipur. 17 to 30 Tour Of Orissa. ' 3i Speech in Delhi. February , 1977

17 Visit to Sultanpur. 18 Speech in Delhi. 22 Address to Congress-men in Delhi. 25 Speech at Family Planning Rally in Delhi. March, 1977 15 News -item about alleged firing on Shri Sanjay Gandhi’s car near Sultanpur. (This wa? taken as a fdry' news item in the news bulletin on the basis of radio pool copy).

Small Newspapers Writ petition Nos. 334/71, 175, 186 and 264 of 1972 on the Import Policy of *454. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will Newsprint for 1972-73, had declared the Minister of INFORMATION AND the Newspaper (Price & Page) Act, BROADCASTING be pleased to state: 1956 and the Order passed thereunder (a) whether Government have re­ as unconstitutional and void. There­ ceived a proposal for enactment of fore, the question of promoting fresh price page schedule to ensure survival legislation and re-introducing the Price- of small newspapers in competition Page Schedule requires careful exami­ with big papers owned by business nation. magnets; and As regards, steps taken to safeguard (b) if so, the reaction of Govern­ and promote the growth of small news­ ment thereto and the steps taken/pro­ papers, a statement is laid on the posed to safeguard and promote the Table of the House. growth of small newspapers in the regional languages? Statement THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI Assistance provided to Small L. K. ADVANI): (a) Yes, Sir. Newspapers .. f x (b) The Supreme Court in case of To encourage the small newspapers, Sakai Papers (PJ‘ Ltd. & Ors. V. the the Press Information Bureau Lhas a Union of India (1962) 3 S.C.R. 842 and number of services. In-depth stories \ 51 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers

written in simple and capsule form prior to the formation of the Port. covering developments in agriculture, Trust have been altered by the port industry, science and technology and trust author-ities in contravention of social sciences are being prepared every Section 29 (1) (f) of the Major Port month and released in all the major Trust Act 1963 to certain ravourtte languages. A digest of news is issued persons; by the regional/branch offices of the Bureau in the languages of the region. (b) whether there is great resent- , ment amorig other members of the' Photo and ebonoid blocks are also staff working in Kandla Port Trust; supplied to the small newspapers. The ebonoid supply, started in 1964, serves (c) whether this arbitrary altcra-" papers which cannot afford the cost of tion of recruitment rules has caused' block making. .great hardship to senior persons who have been thus deprived of promotion. A. new photo service in the form of etc.; and "Charba" was started in' September, 1971 to help and encourage Urdu (d) whether Government propose papers printed by litho process. to, take any action in this regard to. "Charba" is the impression of Zinc improve the situation and if so, the block on a specially treated paper particulars thereof? meant for reproduction. 'THE PRIME MINISTER -(SJfRr Small newspapers can get their re- MORARJI DESAI): (a) In ~y, 1976 quirement of newsprint from NEP A some changes to widen the avenues of which is cheaper than imported news- promotion in certain categories were print. They also have the option to made by the Kandla Port Trust Board take all their requirements from High in accordance with the agreed conclu- Sea Sales. sions reached in discussions with the recognised union and within the powers Small newspapers are given priority available to' the Board under Regula- for import of printing machinery and tion 7 of the Kandla Port Employees: allied equipment over medium and big (Recruitment, Seniority and Promo- newspapers. tion) Regulation, 1964.

Newspapers with a circulation of less (b) to (d:). The latest changes affect- than 2,000 copies are exempted from ed prospects of promotion of staff in a the provisions relating to the submis- few categories where such staff will sion of Chartered Accountant Certi- share higher promotional posts with ficate to prove their utilization of some additional categories. Some re-. newsprint. presentations to this effect have been received and the 'Kandla Port Trust Every effort is made by- the Direc- has held discussions with the Union torate of Advertising and Visual Pub- 1:2~.:;res"nta';ives and are re-examining licity to make increasing use of small the matter. newspapers and periodicals particular- ly for mass campaigns for which readership of the people in all walks Project Report on SUb-PIan for Tribal of life is required. - Areas Recruitment Rules in Kandla Port Trust *..456. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO; Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS *455. SHRI ANAN'T DAVE: Will the be pleased to state: Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- PORr be pleased to state: (a) whether th!,! project reports on (a) whether the ,rec!:uitme~t rules sub-planjor tribal areas have been in Ka.ndla- Port Trusl in. .existence finalised; ~pd '-' Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 54-

(b) the progress made so far in (e) the time by which Government achieving the objectives of the sub- -propose to take final decision about plan? __ it?

THE MINISTER OF HOME AF- THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRL FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): MORARJI DESAI): (a) No, Sir. (a) The tribal sub-plan areas are to (b) Yes, Sir. _be covered by 155 Integrated Tribal Development Projects. 'I'he State Gov- (c) and (e). During the discussions' ernments have submitted so far 121 held in November, 1974 with West, Projects Reports, which have been dis- Bengal State Planning Board on the cussed and approved by the Govern- question of setting up a nuclear po- ment of India, subject to certain obser- wer plant in the Eastern Region, the- ' vations. .Board was advised to conduct a detai- (b) With the implementation (!)f the led study to determine the most desira- new prograsame, the level of invest- ble and op>ti:~al mix of thermal, hydel . ment iin the tribal areas; from State -and' nuclear power to cater to the Plans is b~i.l\l~substantially stepped up demands of the· region over a' specified from rabout' 170 'ci@res 'in 1976-77 to time period i~ the context of the, '259 croresin 1977-78. - Th~ Special overall - regional and national energy' policy and approach the Ministry- Cent~al Assistancg !his year will be to Rs, 55 crores as against Rs. 40 crores of Energy, in case the study revealed in the previous year. The State Gov-; that a nuclear power station was eco- ernments haVe been requested to nomically viable in the Eastern Region. undertake a detailed review of phy- Further developments are awaited. sical achievements in the first three (d) Does not arise. years of the Plan.

Implementatton of Becommendations.. Setting up of Nuclear Power PIan in of Commission for Baekwarg Classes; West. Bengal *458. DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN:- *457. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will DI'T: Will the Minister of HOME the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be AFFAIRS be pleased to state: pleased to state: (a) whether the recommendation oL (a) whether the question of setting the Commission for Backward Classes . up of a Nuclear Power Plant in the set up in 1956 and on which 3. sum coastal area of West Bengal was of Rs. 5 lakhs was spent were not im-· under consideration of the Atomic plemented by Government; and Energy Commission for the last few years; (b) whether in view of the worse' economic, social and political condition -" (b) whether views regarding the of these communities as compared to' desirability of setting up of such a the Scheduled Castes, Government' nuclear power plant were exchanged propose to implement those recom- between the State Government and mendations now for upIiftment of the Atomic Energy Commission on these people? several occasions; THE MINISTER OF HOME AFF~ (c) if so, points of agreement and AIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH)': (a) divergence emerged out of such dia- and (b). In accordance with the pro- logues; vision contained, in article 340(3) of (d) whether· the proposed power the Constitution, the. report of' the _plant _ will 'considerably meet the Backward Classes Commission' to- , ~e!TIa:Qd§·of_power: supplies of Orissa gether with a memorandum explain- and Bihar-as well; and ing 'the- action .taketi thereon- was- 35 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 56

laid on the Table of the House on the workers’ posts have fallen vacant in 3rd September, 1956. The Government the Cochin Dock; have now taken a decision to set up a Civil Rights Commission which, (b) if so, the details thereof; and among other things, will look after the safeguards for the Backward Classes. (c) reasons for these vacancies not being filled up? Manufacture of Electronic Watches THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI *459. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). As SHRI K. LAKKAPPAj against the origthal strength of 2127 Will the Minister of ELECTRONICS registered workers under the C&chin be pleased to state: Dock Labour Board, the strength as on 1-6-1977 was 1018. " (a) whether Government had issu­ e d industrial licences to more than (c) Original strength of workers 10 parties for manufacturigg electro­ had become surplus to actual require­ nic watches during the last 16 months ments due to reduction in the avai­ and out of which only one is operat­ lability of employment in the Dock. ing; (b) if so, the reasms therefor; (c) the action proposed to be taken Import of Tugs in this regard; and •462. SHRI P. K. KODIYAN: Will (d) whether Government ore also the Minister of SHIPPING AND losing export opportunities due to TRANSPORT be pleased to state: some restrictions? THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI (a) whether some of the major MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (c). In the port trusts have decided in favour of last 16 months, i.e. from March 1976 importing tugs when there is ade­ to June 1977, 5 approvals have been quate capacity in the existing ship­ given in the small scale sector and yards in the country to manufacture one letter of intent to a party in the tugs required by major ports; organised sector for the manufacture of electronic watches, all on a 100 per (b) if so, what prompted the major cent export basis. Application for port trusts to import tugs instead of import licences for raw materials have getting them manufactured indigen­ been received from only one of these ously; and 6 units and that application has been • recommended, in December 1976, for (c) what is Government's reaction? issue of import licence. The party is in the process of setting up produc­ tion. THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (c). In (d) No, Sir. the last ten' years, a total of 27 tugs have been ordered for the 10 Major Ports in India i.e. 8 Port Trusts and 4 a Vacancies In Cochin Dock 2 major ports of New Mangalore and New Tuticorin run by the Govern­ * . SHRI K. A. RAJAN: Will the 460 ment. Of these, only 2 second-hand Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- tugs, ope each for Madras and Visa- 1 FORT be pleased to state: khapatnam were imported in 1970 * in' (a) whether Government are aware view of the immediate necessity of* that fifty per cent of the Registered providing tug power at these Porto 57 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

and the inability of the indigenous THE MINISTER OF ENERGY Yards to make these tugs available (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a> in time. The Plans for 1001 per cent ru­ Tenders have been/are being in­ ral electrification in the districts are vited for 4 more tugs one each for drawn and executed by the States and the Ports of Kandla and New Tuti- Union Territories in their respective corin and 2 for New Mangalore. areas in a phased manner having re­ gard to the available resources. These plans are largely financed from their As the figures would show the in­ plan resources. Additional Central digenous available capacity is fully loan assistance is made available by utilised for the purpose. the Rural Electrification Corporation Ltd. for specific schemes and pro­ jects prepared by the State Electri­ Financial Assistance for Rural city Boards. Resources are also mo­ Electrification bilised by the Boards from Agricultural Refinance & Develop­ •463. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: ment Corporation, scheduled banks and by floating rural debentures. Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased t0 state: (b) State-wise details of loan as­ sistance from the Rural Electrification (a) whether central financial assist­ Corporation during 1975-76, 1976-77 ance is made available to various and 1977-78 (April-June 1977) are States of the Union towards their given in the statement enclosed. respective plan-projects for 100 per cent rural electrification in the dist­ (c) The Gujarat State Electricity ricts; Board has sponsored only two pro­ jects for financial assistance for rural (b) if so, facts thereof, atatewise electrification in Ahmedabad district ior the years 1975, 1976 and 1977; These projects have already been sanctioned by the Rural Electrification Corporation. No project for Gandhi­ ' (c) whether Gujarat Government nagar district has been received from had asked for such financial assistance the Board. for specific districts of Ahmedabad & Gandhinagar; and (d) Details of the two schemes ap­ proved for Ahmecfabad district are- (d) if so, details thereof? as below:—

Name of the Schemes ] Date of Coverage __ Loan Sanction ------—;----amount Villages Pumpsets Sanctio­ ned (Rs. Lakhs}'

Dehgam taluk in Ahmedabad District. • . 31-12-73 4^ 650 40 34-

Dholka taluk in Ahemedabad District. . . 31-5-74 64 875 39-1* 59 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 6o STATEMENT (Rs.* in crotes)

SI. Name of State Loan amount d:sburced No. 1975-76 1976-77 1977-78 (April-Jtme) ------.------V y — - 1. Andhra Pradesh 4 90 732 o 17 -2. Assam . 2 37 2 52 3 . Bihar 769 9 37 o 87 4. 'Gujarat 2 '74 3 94 •• 5. Hiryani 1 16 1 70 0 09 £. H m chil Pradiih . 1'48 I ‘ 51 "7 . Jafinma &Kishnvr. 2 48 3 64 0 12 •S. Karnataka 2 *9 3 *31 9 . K^rila I 3? 0 86 •• 10. Mid'iyi Prad:;h 735 12 10 0 1 4 11. M ihirishtra . 3 83 3 >86 0 07 12. M m ’pur 13. Migiiliya 083 1 19 14. Nagaland 0-38 0 48 15. O/issa . 7 46 7 07 0 52 16. Punjab 3 1 2 4 "92 0*36 17. Rijasthan 5 33 8 1 1 0 49 18. Tam'l Nadu 2 87 2 '43 0 01 19. Tripura 049 0-63 20. Uttar Prad;>h 713 6 99 I 91 21. West Bengal . 6 74 6 24

T o t a l , 72 54 88 19 4 75 ______.... - -r :_ Sale of Imported Picture Tubes to propose to sell imported picture tubes T.V. Manufacturers by Electronics directly to T.V manufacturers; Trado & Technology Development Corporation (b) if so, the cost at which it will be supplied to them; and •464. SHRI PRASANNBHAI MEH- »-■ 'T A : Will the Minister of ELECTRO­ (c) to what extent the priccs of NICS be pleased to state: T.V. will go down? (a) whether Electronics Trade and - THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI technology Development Corporation MORARJI DESAI): (a) Yes, Sir. ^>1 Written Answers ASADHA 22/1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 62

(b ) Rs. 375/-! workers. For increasing production and productivity, Singareni Collieries (c) .Government have announced Company Limited have increased in the Union Budget for 1977-78, manpower and adopted measures that the concessional excise duty of such as incentive schemes which have 5 per cent on T.V. sets will apply to been introduced in consultation with those with an ex-factory price upto the Workers* Representatives. Griev­ Rs. 1600/-; this lower rate of excise ance procedures and other channels

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY srftrtT n r % *f fi>*t srar^sft (SHRI P, RAMACHANDRAN): (a) It I I *r^t ?t tft WK According to information received, no undue' pressure has been exerted qw ^ i t $ 1 by the management of the Singareni j r f w % 1 s m f^ t tft Collieries, which is f under the Gov­ ernment of Andhra Pradesh on the t « 63 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 64

Allocation for Agriculture and THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI Irrigation MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). 3287. SHRI DHARAMAVIR VA - A set of statements (I to X ) giving SISHT: Will the Minister of PLAN­ the requisite information is laid on NING be pleased to state: the Table of the House. [Placed -in (a) the allocations for Punjab, Library. See No. LT-679/7]. Haryana, Himachal Pradesh and R&1- sthan separately State-wise in the Fifth Five Year Plan regarding Agri­ culture and Irrigation, together with a summary of major projects; (b) the amount of allocations spept and targets achieved uptodate; and (c) Additional outlays as already (c) whether Government propose a indicated in the Budget for 1977-78 review or rephasing of allocations and under the following sectors have been targets for the remaining period of made. Their state-wise allocations the plan for securing objectives' of the full plan? are being worked out.

( Rs. Crores )

Additional Assistance 1

Major & Medium Irrigation 100 Advance plan assistance to States. Minor Irrigation 260* •From the Agricultural Refinance and De­ velopment Corporation and other lend­ ing agencies.

Rural Roads 20 With supplementary outlays from resources of State Governments and Local Bodies. Rural Water Supply 40 Power (i) Rural Electrification Corporation 20 p . (ii) Rural electrification for energising 175* *Will be supplemented by institute nel pumpsets. finance.

Handloom 20 Sericulture 4

Inquiry into Death of Shri Siddarth (b) whether the said injury was Bandodkar caused by an unlicensed pistol and 3288. SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: the pistol did not bear any finger Will the Minister of HOME 'AFFAIRS prints; be pleased to state: (c) whether Smt. Anuradha Ban­ (a) whether Shri Siddarth Bandod­ kar brother of the Chief Minister of dodkar alias Leena Chandavarkar Goa, Daman and Diu died a few widow of the deceased has applied months ago as a result of bullet injury to the Government for an' inquiry suffered by him on the 8th December, into the whole incident; and 1975; r 65 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 66

fc. 1 (d) if so, the contents of the said THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE application and the action taken (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) and thereon? (b). The representation dated 11th December, 1976 from Defence Civilian THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ Pensioners’ Association, Pune, was FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): addressed to the then Prime Minister. (a) Shri Siddarth Bandodkar, brother A copy of the representation was, of the Chief Minister, Goa, Daman & however, received in Defence Minis­ Diu was injured by a pistol shot on try, and examined in consultation the 18th December, 1975. After treat­ with the Finance Ministry. It was not ment at the Goa Medical College found possible to accept the demands Hospital and, thereafter, at the Jaslok which are of a general nature and Hospital, Bombay, he returned to affect all Central Government pen­ Goa in August, 1976. On the 21st sioners and not merely the Defence October, 1976, he was admitted to the civilian pensioners. Jaslok Hospital for treatment of a complication. He underwent an ope­ ration but his condition started dete­ Cantonment Area in Srinagar riorating and he died on the 7th No­ vember, 1976, that is, after eleven 3290. SHRI MOHD. SHAFl QU- months of the first injury. RESHI: Will the Minister of DE­ FENCE be pleased to state; (b) According to the report of the Lt. Governor, Goa, Daman & Diu, the (a) whether Cantonment area in pistol from which Shri Bandodkar Srinagar is in ,a very bad shape so received an injury was an unlicensed far as roads, sewerage, sanitation and one and it did not bear any finger lighting is concerned; prints. (b) what is the annual allotment (c) and (d). Smt. Anuradha Ban­ of funds to Cantonment Board in dodkar. widow of the deceased, in Badamebagh (Srinagar); and her letter dated the 29th May, 1977, (c) whether in view of the deve­ has requested for a thorough investi­ lopment in the Cantonment area more gation into the death of her husband. funds will be allocated this year? She has also alleged that wrong treatment was given to her husband THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE on the second occasion in the Jaslok (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) In Hospital. The matter is receiving certain areas, the position is not quite attention. satisfactory. (b) Funds are not allotted to all Representation from Defence Civilian Cantonment Boards. Grants-in-aid Pensioners Association aret however, given by Central Gov­ ernment to deficit Boards subject to- 3289. SHRI PUNDALIK HARI availability of funds and based on DANVE: Will the Minister of DE­ the needs of particular Cantonments. FENCE be pleased to state: In the last two years, the Badami- bagh Cantonment Board received (a) whether Government have re­ total grants as indicated below:— ceived a written representation dated 11th December, 1976 from Defence 1975-76 Rs. 2,34,839.00 « Civilian Pensioners* Association; Pune 1976-77 Rs. 2,99,080.00 In regard to their various demands; and (c) An ad-interim grant-in-aid of Rs. 2,84,800 has been sanctioned for (b) if so, action taken or proposed the current ye^r. Further allotrpent to be taken? of funds will be considered having 67 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 68 due regard to the Budget deficit of Expenditure incurred by Nagaland the Cantonment Board and the funds Govt, during the visit of Former available with Government for allo­ Congress President cation to various Cantonment Boards.

329 3. SHRIMATI RANO M. SHAI­ Air Station at Ratnagiri ZA: Will the Minister of HOME AF­ FAIRS be pleased to state: 3291. SHRI BAPUSAHEB PAF^ LEKAR: Will the Minister of INFOR­ (a) what was the expenditure in­ curred by the Nagaland Government MATION AND BROADCASTING be during the visit of the former Cong­ pleased to state: ress President, Shri D. K. Barooah (a) whether the construction' of and other members of the Party dur­ ing inauguration of Congress Party A.I.R. Station at Ratnagiri has been completed; and in Nagaland last year;

(b) if so, whether the station has (b) under what head of Account not yet started functioning regularly have these expenditure been met; and for want of formal inauguration cere­ mony? (c) how do Government propose THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ to recover the amount of money in­ TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI curred on account of Congress Party L. K. ADVANI); (a) A 20 K.W. me­ activities originally not provided in dium wave transmitter with interim the budget? studio set up was commissioned into regular service from 30th January, 1977. Permanent studio set up js ex­ THE MINISTER OF HOME AFF­ pected to be completed by the *>!nd AIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): of the year. (a) and (b). According to information received from the Government of (b) Does not arise. Nagaland, no expenditure was incurred by the State Government in con­ nection with the inaugural func­ tion of the Congress Party at Mokok- Earnings from commercial advertise­ chung (Nagaland). An expenditure ments on T.V. of Rs. 4000/- was, however, incurred 3292. SHRI DURGA CHAND: Will by the State Government o*i 16 the Minister of INFORMATION AND vehicles which were provided for use of the two Chief Ministers, three Mi­ BROADCASTING be pleased to state nisters from neighbouring States and 'what are the earnings on account of one Dy. Minister of the Union Cabi­ commercial advertisements on T.V. net. Afterwards some Ministers vi­ from the date of introduction of the sited two villages near Mokokchung Commercial programme? where a public reception and cul­ tural shows were organised, in THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ their honour, by the District Admi­ TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI nistration for which an expenditure L,. K. ADVANI): According to the of Rs. 5,800/- was incurred. The amount of business booked till 30th State Government also provided some June, 1977, the gross earnings for material like C. G. I. sheets, G. I. TVi commercials from 1st January, Pipes etc. from their stocks. These 1976 to 30th June, 1977 is Rs. materials were returned to the State 1,84,37,200. Government after the function. 69 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

(c) Since the expenditure indicated (b) It has not been found feasible above was incurred only on the Re­ to accede to these requests. ception etc. to visiting dignitaries, the question of recovery does not arise.

Development of Major Ports Representations from Cantonment Board Employees’ Union 3295. SHRI D. B. CHANDRl. 3294. SHRI R. K. MHALGI: Will GOWDA: Will the Minister of SHIPP­ ING AND TRANSPORT be pleased tc the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased state- to state:

(a) whether Government have re­ (a) whether there has been high ceived written representations from percentage of under-utilisation of the various Cantonment Board Emplo. approved amounts for the develop­ yees” Unions requesting that the pen- ment of major ports during the sion-scheme introduced to them Fourth Five Year Plan; and should be made applicable to the employees also who retired from ser­ (b) if so, what is the respective per­ vice before 1st May, 1976; and centage and the reasons for such un­ der-utilisation? (b) if so, action' taken in respect of the said representation? THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE MORARJl DESAI): (a) and (b). A (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Yes, statement is laid on the Table of the Sir. House.

The position of utilisation of the approved amounts for the development of major ports during the Fourth Five Year plan is as under

Port Project Original Revised Total Percentage Estimated Provision Expendi­ of Utili­ Provision (after ture. sation vis- in IV plan mid-term a-vis appraisal) Revised Provision

(i) (2) (3) (4) (5)

Calcutta .... 5 86 439 3 19 72 67

♦Haldia Dock Project l 40 00 50 00 72 5*1 149 64 2-26 J •Haldia Channel Dredging J Bombay .... 48-14 25-62 17-07 66 63 Madras .... 20-84 36-43 30*81 84-57 «_v Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 72

( 0 (a) (3) (4) (5)

Cochin . # . 17-89 18 -00 7 47 41.50 Visakhapatnam ...... 51-65 56 86 62-63 110-15

9 45 9 00 5 05 56 11 Mormugao ...... 22-00 32-00 21 19 66 22

Paradip ...... 14-00 17 00 13-48 79 29 New Mangalore P o r t ...... 16 00 18 00 21 -01 116-72

Port of New Tuticorin .... 17 00 22 00 18 61 84 59

Bhagirathi Hooghly River Training Works 8 00 5 00 4 47 89 40 Central Dredging Organisation 9 0 0 10-01 9 80 97 90

279-83 304-31 289-60 95 16

♦Provided for in V plan. Some of the reasons for under-utilisation of the approved amounts are:— (i) Appraisal of some o f the schemss st;ll remaining under examination. (ii) Difficulties encountered during execution of works such as dredging o f harder material in the Mormugao Channel. (iii) General shortage of steel and difficulties in movement of construction materials during that period. (iv) D^lay in supply of material handling plant and equipment and other port craft inclu­ ding tugs and dredgers by indigenous manufacturers. (v) A ban on construction of houses and non-functional buildings.

Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Personal Staff of Ministers , Tribes Orders (Amendment) Act 3297. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- 3296. DR. BIJOY MONDAL: Will DIA. Will the Minister of Home the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Affairs be \ leated to state: pleased to state the date from which the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled (a) the criteria of deputing per­ Tribes Orders (Amendment) Act, 1976, sonal staff for Ministers/State Min­ which received the assent of the isters and Deputy Ministers; President on 18th September, 1976 shall come into force? (b) whether Minister concerned has an option to select a person of THE MINISTER OF HOME AFF­ his own choice even from outside. AIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): The matter is under active considera­ (c) whether there is any panel of tion. selected Government servants for all Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

cadres of personal staff for selection (a) the comparative figures of the and deputation of personnel with the percentage of the growth of employ­ Ministers; and ment during the last two years in the States of the eastern and western regions; (d) what are the ranks and cadres of personnel, if prescribed, for Minis­ (b) reasons for variance in the ters’ personal staff? growth of employment, if any; and

THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ (c) steps Government propose to FAIRS (SHRI CHAR AN SINGH): take to remove the regional imba­ (a) to (c). Ministers, State Ministers lances, if any? and Deputy Ministers can appoint persons of their choice against posts THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI sanctioned on their personal staff. MORARJI DESAI): (a) The com­ There is no panel for appointment to parative figures of the percentage of such posts. However, considering the growth of employment during the the nature of duties of the posts of last two years viz.f 1974-75 and 1975- Special Assistants, the normal prac­ 76 in the States of eastern and wes­ tice is to appoint serving Govern­ tern regions are given in the enclos­ ment officers to these posts. ed Statement.

(b) A positive growth rate of emp­ (d) A statement is laid on the loyment has been registered in both Table of the House. [Placed in Libra­ the regions. The growth of employ­ ry. See No. LT-680/77]. ment does not show any uniform pat­ tern.

Regional imbalances in Employment (c) Keeping in view regional imba­ lances, special programme have been formulated in the Fifth Plan for spe­ 3298. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will cific areas. In future also programmes the Minister of PLANNING be pleas­ will be designed with the object of ed to state: removing these imbalances. Statement Employment growth rate in the States o f eastern and western regions

P ercen tag e Variation Zone/States/Union Territories 1975-74 1976-75 I. Eastern Zone ...... + 7 '5 1. Bihar ...... + 0-8 + 1 6 2. Orissa ...... H 1 0 + 9'2 3. West Bengal ...... + 4 '1 +0-1 II. Western Zone . . . . + / 4 + 2-7 1. Gujarat ...... + 2-3 + 3*5 2. Maharashtra ...... + 0 9 + 3 '5 3. Goa, Daman 8c Diu ...... +7-o + 3 '4

N o t e : i . Employment figures for individual^Siates may not necessarily add u p to Zonal tct Is due to rounding off. / 2. Percentages have been calculated on absolute figures. 3. Manipur has been excluded due to iion-receipt o f data. 4. Nagaland and Arunachal Pradesh are yet to be covered under EMI Programme. Source : Ministry of Labour (D.G.E.&T.) Employment Market Information Data. 75 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 76

Indian Citizenship for Refugees in THE MINISTER OF ENERGY Rajmahal Thana (SHRI P. RAMAOH1ANDRAN): (a) 1712.1 MW comprising 980 MW of 3299. FATHER ANTHONY MUR- thermal capacity and 732.1 MW of MU: Will the Minister of HOME hydel capacity were added during AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 1976-77. Two statements I and II, one for thermal and tht other for hydel (a) whether there are hundreds of capacity showing the State-wise and refugees in Rajmahal Thana (Police project-wise present installed capa­ Station) from Bangladesh since 1963 city and actual generation and plant who have not yet got Indian citizen­ load factor during the year 1976-77, ship in spite of repeated petitions; and are laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-681/ 77]. Cb) whetihei^ this delay and tacit refusal to grant the refugees Indian citizenship is causing lots of land dis­ (b) Statement III showing the de­ pute and feuds in the locality where tails of scheme under implementation the refugees reside? and the likely dates of their commis­ sioning is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ LT-681/77]. FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (a) and (b). According to informa­ tion furnished by the Government of Bihar, there are 92 refugees whose applications for grant of Indian citi­ Use of Latex in manufacturing zenship are still pending. These per­ Rubber Products sons were required to submit certain documents in connection with their 3302. SHRI KUMARI ANANTHAN: registration as Indian citizens. They Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be have since done so and action is under pleased to state: way for expeditious disposal of their applications. Information regarding (a) whether Government is aware land disputes etc. arising out of this that a large quantity of rubber is matter is awaited from Bihar Govern­ available in Kanya Kumari District in ment. Tamil Nadu;

(b) whether there is any proposal in view to make use of the Latex in Augmentation of Power Generation manufacturing rubber products by starting new rubber factories worth 3301. SHRI S. R. DAMANI: Will the name to give employment to the Minister of ENERGY be pleased large number of people? to state: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (a) the additional generating capa­ (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) city created in 1976-77 and the pre­ The production of natural rubber in sent capacity in the country, State- Kanya Kumari District in 1976-77 was wise and project-wise and actual 8,410 tonnes as against the total pro­ utilization; and duction of 1,49,632 tonnes in the coun­ try during that year. (b) the details of schemes under implementation or sanctioned to aug­ (b) No such proposal is at present ment powiir generation and the time under the consideration of the Gov­ by which they will be commissioned? ernment. 77 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 78

Arrest of 30 Members of the all India VTV TOTTeft % f*fU 5 *i K Stainless Steel Re-rollers Asso­ ft % ifttfr srfifror *ptrt ciation 3304. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAK- 3303. «ft TTW : TOr TA; Will the Minister of INDUSTRY wVt srmr^T ?<{ -.^tr i^tt be pleased to state: wrfir f a : (a) whether thirty members of All India Stainless Steel Re-rollers Asso­ ciation were arrested; ( ^ ) t o t *n«fTT9reTqft % gft farcftr (b) if so, their demand; and fTTTT % tfteff % WRTT <^ TO K ^ ? (b) The demands of the Association are: *JTOT rfVT 5THTT®T tfsffr (rft HTrT (i) The reduction of levy on the imported stainless steel should be fnsur silCTPift ) : (*rr) t (*t ) : withdrawn; ^ft, i srfinRi sn^rr t o t s r t (ii) A complete ban may be im­ 4 *T^, 1 9 7 6 *TRt fTOTT TOT *TT posed on the import of stainless steel 18 1976 ^Ft T? fTOT TOT sheets for the actual users. «TT I (c) The provisions of Industries (Development Regulation) Act, 1964, are not applicable to the small scale ^5 **^9^ ^ 1 TOT «TT f% ^aWT5T- stainless steel re-rollers. 3T°ft f w f t *ffcff TO TOK«T *TTO «iiq+\ fv^ff, ^ftrT fro^Rff, srrfe % Piracy by Foreign Ship Owners in l*Tl TO ^^<9 WR% Rl^Hl ’H lidfdl •1 connivance with Indian Shipping % ^q- =Ft T fr «fV, Agents *r 5 ^ ^ m 1^1 3305. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: sfY I dt §■ I of the organized piracy by certain 79 Written Answers JULY 13, id77 Written Answers ^ go

foreign ship owners in connivance 1977 regarding Second Pay Commis­ with Indian shipping agents whereby sion’s recommendations regarding dis­ exports do not reach their destina­ parity in pay scales of employees of tion; JCB and Government of India Press, and state: (b) what is the approximate value of exports lost and financial loss (a) whether th^ employees work­ suffered by the consignees, insurance ing in the Reading Branch of J.C.B. companies and the Government as a had made representations to the result of the piracy; and authorities in January, 1974 for the removal of disparity in their pay (c) what steps, if any, have been scales; and taken or proposed to be taken in the (b) if so, the action taken so far matter? by Government thereon? THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE MORARJI DESAI): (a) During 1973- (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Yes, 74 to 1976-77, there were 9 instances Sir. where our exports had not reached their declared destinations. It is a (b) The matter is under considera­ fact that all these shipments had been tion. carried by foreign vessels which had called at our ports, as non-Conference News item “End to Hegemony of operators, there is nothing to suggest Civil Service Urged” that there was an organized attempt either by the foreign parties or by the 3307. SHRI VASANT SATHE; Will local agents to divert such cargoes. the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) There is no direct loss to Gov­ (a) whether the Government's at­ ernment. The loss to Indian insurers tention has been drawn to the news is estimated to be about Rs. 6 crores. ^ report appearing in The Times of This loss pertains to 5 out of these India dated the 9th June, 1977 under 9 cases, since all the exports were not the caption “End to Hegemony of insured in India. While the value of Civil Service urged” ; and the exports is not known, the quantum of cargo is about 33,000 tonnes. (b) if so. what is the reaction of Government to the various observa­ (c) In terms of the commercial tions ma de therein and the action practice in the country, our shippers taken/proposed to be taken in this have the freedom of choice in regard regard? to shipping lines. Our ports are also free for international shipping. There­ THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ fore, it is mainly for the shippers to FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): exercise greater caution before exten­ (a) Yes, Sir. ding patronage to foreign vessels (b) The observations made in the whose antecedents are not fully said news report are too general to known. admit of specific action. Second Pay Commission’s Recommen­ dations regarding Disparity in Pay Per-caplta Income Scales of Employees of J.C.B. and 3308. SIWRI S. KUNDU: Will ttie Government of India Press i Minister of PLANNING be pleasedTto 3306. SHiRI MAHILAL; Will the state: Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to (a) names of the States in India refer to the Teply given to Starred having per-capita income below the Question No. 163 on the 22nd June, per-capita National income; 8i Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 82 t (b) whether steps are being taken are fully financed by the Centre. In* I to raise the per-capita income of these a deciding the Central Governments' in­ States so as to be equal to the Per- vestments in industry and infrastruc­ capita National income; and ture, and in schemes of industrial in­ centives, the objective of reducing in­ (c) if so, broad outlines thereof? ter-state and regional inequalities is also borne in mind. M THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI); (a) According to the latest series of comparable esti­ mates of States’ income (prepared by Central Statistical Organisation) for 3 3 0 9 . : WT the period 1970-71 to 1972-73, the States of Andhra Pradesh, Assam, fr : Bihar, Jammu and Kashmir, Kerala, Manipur, Madhya Pradesh, Nagaland, Orissa, Rajasthan, Tripura and Uttar (T) 1973-74 ^ 1975- Pradesh have per capita income lower 76 afh* km *f facRT than the national average. gTTT sflT sdMSRftr ^f, (b) Yes, Sir. Pt.cHl farm *r t ;

(c) Several Steps are being taken to reduce the disparities in Per Capita (m) 1977-78 Incomes of different States. The re­ jpt fiRHT •Jtmkh tV *nrrsrn duction of regional disparities is one of the accepted objectives of national ^ srtr %■ PtxiHi PimTo policy. The problem is one of ensur­ f+MI ? ing the accelerated economic develop­ ment of comparatively backward areas. With* this end in view, 10 per 3IT3T •• cent of Central assistance to State (*) 1973-74 1975-76 ¥tsn*ftr Plans is allotted only to States whose per capita income is below the Natio­ *f v'n rTOT 3TST ^ nal average. Another 10 per cent of wrtrr sfr Tfrimr sprnr | 1 Central assistance is allotted in consi­ deration of special problems like drought affected areas, desert areas, fajifa * tribal areas, hill areas, etc. Further

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Tsrt fa r fa w t | ? 3311. DR. KARAN SINGH: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleas­ otpt *T3ft *ftrroft %*nt): ed to state: ( t ) TOTT ^ft <1^5 ^ (a) whether Dogri has been accept­ ed by the Sahitya Akademi as an SRJTT #r fatft siw n r *?V ^TH«fl(V independent modern Indian language; t I and w S5 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers 86

(b) if so, whether keeping in view ftnft sm fwm the sentiments of Dogri-speaking people, steps will be taken to include Dogri in the VUIth Schedule of the Constitution? 3313* t THU MINISTER OF HOME AF­ TOT TWT *5t FTT hT»T FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (&) f a : Sahitya Akademi has recognised Dogri as an independent Indian liter­ (*P) TOT ary language. 1974 Sf «To^ft<>'ft«> s^r 3?t ftfinr Thr *f ^nr ftr * (b) There is no proposal at present to include Dogri in the Eighth Sche­ *3-1 wtT ^pff fjtrsrf % ipm: dule of the Constitution. However, the 425—6 0 0 ^ ^ 260-----400 endeavour of Government is to en­ % f

(a) whether Government have re­ (*f) TOT T 5T fswnT % srff ceived any demand from the National if TPT •srf'TOf % =fTJT- Transport Workers Union (INTUC) of Tamil Nadu for constituting a Bipar­ 1976 F STfaffftnf tite Wage Negotiating Committee at 5r «m ^ r «r; National level for the workers work­ ing in public and private sector trans­ ( ? ) q r t t port industry for fixing wages and t o t tpf »rf | ? other conditions of service; and tstt *rat T m ) i

(b) if so, what decision Govern­ ( * ) *ft • ment have taken to this demand? (* j) ft i

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(c) the details of the complaint re­ ceived by the Government • against THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION such officers and the action taken ty AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. the Government against them? ADVANI): (a) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ (b) The post of Additional Director FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (a) General was created for the News and to (c). The information with regard Current Affairs Unit of the Directorate to officers of the level of Under Sec­ General and to provide for an officer retary and above is being collected and senior enough to take independent would be laid on the table of the decisions as the Director General was House. expected to do considerable amour t of touring in connection with the SITE as well as for effective supervision of Bifurcation of Akashvani and Door­ darshan Doordarshan Kendras. All the normal formalities were observed and sanc­ 3316. DR. MURLI MANOHAR tions obtained for creating this post. JOSHI; Will the Minister of INFOR­ MATION AND BPOADCASTING be (c) S/Sliri R.C. Puri, K. Ravindran pleased to siate.- and M.P. Lele respectively Stations (a) whether Akashvani and Door- Directors Rampur, Siliguri and Vara­ darshan were bifurcated without suffi­ nasi with temporary headquarters at cient ground work being done regard­ Delhi are informally working for Do­ ing cadre strength positioning of staff ordarshan. financing broadcasting policy, etc.; (d) Five grade ‘A’ officers of Door­ (b) whether the post of Additional darshan were transferred recently. Director-General was created in Door­ Three out of them have already taken darshan and If so, what was the justi­ over their new assignments; the fourth fication for the creation of the post one is expected to join shortly after and whether all the normal formalities availing of joining time; and the fifth had been observed and financial sanc­ one has proceeded on leave on expiry tion etc. obtained for creating this of which he will join the new assign­ post; ment. Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers gz Visit of former Minister of Informa­ (ii) Mauritius.—Miss Padma Shur tion and Broadcasting to foreign kla daughter of former Minister of countries Information and Broadcasting, Shri 3317; SHRI SHANKERSINHJI VA- K.N. Prasad, Additional Secretary# GHELA; Will the Minister of INFOR­ Shri V.S. Triyathi, Special Assistant MATION AND BROADCASTING be to MIB. pleased to state: (a) the names of foreign countries (iii) U/S.S.R. (Tashkent)—Shri visited by the then Minister of In­ A.K. Verma, Jcint Secretary, Shri C. formation and Broadcasting during the K. Sharma, Private Secretary to period of internal emergency and the MIB. number of times he visited such coun­ (iv) Sweden, UK and East Ger­ tries during that period; many.—Shri V.S. Tripathi, Special (b) the particulars of persons who Assistant to MIB. accompanied him during his visits (v) France, UK, USA and West abroad; Germany.—Shri C. S. Tripathi, (c) whether it has come to the Special Assistant to MIB. notice of Government that certain film (vi) ..—Shri S.M.H. Burr.ay, actresses also accompanied him during Secretary, Shri K.N. Prasad, Addi­ the visits abroad; and tional Secretary, Shri R.L. Band- (d) if so, the particulars thereof, lish, Additional PS to MIB. who bore the expenditure on the per­ * (vii) Canada.—Shri V. S. Tri­ sons accompanying the Minister and pathi, Special Assistant to MIB. the reaction of Government thereto? * Another delegation consisting of THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ the following were invited by the Can­ TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI adian Film Festival authorities which L.K. ADVA.NI): (a^ The former Minis­ visited Canada separately:— ter of Information and Broadcasting (i) Shri A. K. Verma, Director of visited Mauritius, Sweden,NWest Ger­ Films. many, East Germany, USA., Canada, France and Kenya once and U. K. and (ii) Shri B. R. Chopra Members U.S.S.R. twice. I o; the (iii) Smt. Vidya Sinha / Film (b)& (c). The following persons ac­ 1 Industry. companied the former Minister of In­ (iv) Shri Sanjeev Kumar J formation and Broadcasting:— (d) Expenditure on the air fare in (i) U.S.S.R. (Moscow).—Miss all cases, was borne by the Govern­ Padma Shukla, daughter of former ment of India. Local expenditure was Minister of Information and Broad- also borne by the Government of India, ^ casting, Shri P.C. Chatterji, Director except where local hospitaliy was General, All India Radio, Shri V.S. provided by the Government of the Tripathi, Special Assistant to MIB. countries concerned. i 93 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1890 (SAKA) Written Answers 94

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(b) if so, reasons therefor; (iii) fqwsft *r*rw— tftogo.ro/ ^ofto^og’o/^'o^ogo^o T'H 1 I (c) if not, whether Government will continue to have the said unit work­ «ft, ^rft ^[T^a' fT^ |, #t«f qfr^K ing under the aegies of the said OT3TO Ps*i «n% ^ 1 Gujarat Public Corporation and whether the State Government of (iv) 'put v v&— H*fr ^ vti- Gujarat have indicated to that effect to the Central Government; and ^rf^fir *?r ftm r ^jjtft s w r ^rrcrr (d) if so, broad features thereof? 1 1 THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) Hindustan Tractors Ltd., Baroda to (b). The Government of India as­ sumed the management of M/s. Hindu­ 3319. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR; stan Tractors Liu., Baroda on 12th Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be March, l‘J73 under the Industries (Development & Regulation) Act, pleased to state: 1951. The Gujarat Agro Industries (a) whether Government are active­ Corporation Ltd., Ahmedabad were ly considering handing over the “Hin­ appointed ag its authorised controllers dustan Tractors” at Baroda, which is for a period of 5 years. By a notifica­ working under the authorised control- tion issued on 261 h April, 1973, the lership of Gujarat Agro-Industries payment of certain liabilities was Corporatioin, back to their original frozen. The freeze order is due to private owners; expire on 11th March, 1978. Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 100

As both the period of management THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY and freeze order are expiring shortly, (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) the future set up of the Company is and (b). Broach District has been under consideration. In this context^ identified as one of the industrially there were discussions with the Gov­ backward districts of Gujarat State ernment of Gujarat Amongst the op­ for concession •'I finance from the finan­ tions considered was handing over the cial institutions as well as for Cen­ unit to the original owners. A final tral Investment Subsidy Scheme. decision would depend on settling a number of points in consultation with In addition to thp facilities given by the financial institutions and the State the State Government, the Central Government. The matter is, therefore, Government provide the following in­ under consideration and no final deci­ centives to ex trepreneurs to set up in­ sion has been taken. Various aspects dustries in backward areas including are under examination so that con­ Broach District:-- tinuity of production and employment is mainlainfd. In the meantime, the (i) Capital Investment Subsidy. unit continues urder the authorised (ii) Concessional Finance Facili­ controllership of Gujarat Agro indus­ ties by the Alj India Term Lending tries Corporation Limited. Financial Institutions. (iii) Tax Concessions. (iv) Hire purchase of Machinery Mangalore Port by Smoil Scale Units.

3320. SHRI SG MURUGAIYAN: (v) Consul ’fancy for technical Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND services. TRANSPORT be pleased to state: (vi) Interest Subsidy. (a) whether Government have a (vii) Special Facilities for Im­ proposal under consideration to dec­ port of Raw Materials. lare Mangalore port as a major port; and tffH* (b> if so, steps being taken in the direction? 3322. sft %o *TK4I : spTT TOT Heft SrTFt f*TT ft? : THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). The (^>) 1 fara1 new harbour constructed at Mangalore (Panambur) was declared a major i n 1 PvT Port in May, lf»74 and has been named t ; as New Mangalore Port. (*j) ft, r I ? Development of Broach TWT qsft T m ) : (sp) 3321. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL; Will .the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased a n r o : , S 5FT fTT STITPT fa fa - to state: Hff % £ I fa fad 0 Tt WSjSr % ?«TFTT!rrfT5r MW I* | I (a) whether the Broach district in Gujarat State is a backward district (??) fa fad 0 % Tm 3ft (industrially); and VRT9 ^ r+tTl IT^T M (b) the steps taken by Government or propose to be taken to uplift it? % ^ ^ ^ | IOI Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers i 02

I Expansion of Hindustan Shipyard at (c) how many programme Execu­ Visakhapatnam tives of All India Radio/T.V. had ap­ plied for the post of Assistant Sta­ 3323. SHRI DRONAMARAJU tion Director and how many amongst SATYANARAYANA: Will the Minister them were rejected for the post; of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to stato; (d) whether many of the persons who have been rejected by the UPSC (a) whether Government propose for appointment as ASD are now be­ to expand the Hindustan Shipyard at ing considered for appointment as ASD’s through promotion; and Visakhapatnam from 4 ships to 8 ships; (e) the justification for bringing such (b) if so, whether Government have rejected persons through the garb of taken steps for expansion of Hindustan promotional quota? Shipyard; and THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION (c) how much money Government AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. needs for the expansion of the Ship­ K. ADVANI): (r.) Yes, Sir. yard? (b). Five.

THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI (c) The information is being col­ MORARJl DESAI):(a) and (b).~ A lected and will be laid on the Table Project Report for the expansion of of the House. the Hindustan Shipyard to raise its present capacity from 3 ships to 6/8 (d) and(e). Under the existing re­ ships of 21,60o DWT each per year cruitment rules for the post of Assis­ has been recently received by the tant Station Director 75 per cent of Government. The report is under con­ the posts are filled by promotion sideration. through a Departmental Promotion Committee presided over by a Member (c) The estimated cost of expansion of the UPSC and the remaining 25 according to the Report will vary bet­ per cent by direct recruitment. The ween Rs. 27 crores and Rs. 36 crores, two methods of recruitment depending on the scheme selected out are different from one another of the three variants suggested by the and the fact that certain Consultants. condidates are rejected by the UPSC does not debar them in any way for promotion under the departmental pro­ motion quota. This system applies not Selection for the post of Assistant only to the posts of Assistant Station Station Director through UP SC Directors in All India Radio but to all posts in the Government of India 3324. SHRI NAWAB SINGH where mode of recruitment is both by CHAUHAN: Will the Minister of IN­ direct recruitment and through de­ FORMATION AND BROADCASTING partmental promotion. be pleased state; Alleged confessions of non-existant (a) whether recently a selection for conspiracies from Political Prisoners the post of Assistant Station Director 3325. SHRI KALYAN JAIN: Will was held through UPSC; the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (fc) if so, how many amongst the persons recommended are simple (a) whether daring Emergency the Graduates in the list for AIR and T.V. police secured confessions of non-exis­ Centres; tent conspiracies from political pri-r 103 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers soners as an alibi for the imposition (c), Does not arise. and continuance of emergency and cruel and barbarous methods were ad­ opted during interrogation; IwiinK SKT fsRrft % fircrf VT wraw>a (b) whether Government have col­ lected information about the victims 3327.* STo HjTRta* fajf ?TW : who suffered as a consequence there­ tot 37sif urcnr ^ i ^tt t t »t of; and

(c) if so, the details thereof? (^>) TOT fa*TFTT *Tf THW WI^T THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (a) ^ | ; (■ While the Gcvernment are aware of reports of torture by the police during the ‘Emergency’, there is no informa­ (*sr) tot % f^rq; tion regarding securing of confessions f^3^fT % fsrm ^T *PTFT TT of non-existent conspiracies from political prisoners. ^TSTT q?<=TT I ; srYt (b). No, Sir. (*r) ^

(c). Does Ti-.it arise. % tot + 'r a < i^ q?r fr f a fa m ^ n i‘ ^ It'd h* ^T'TfT % Residential accommodation for the em­ TT TOTR WTf T t ? ployees working in Akastivani station at Rhagalpur *Tcft («ft «fto :

3326. DR. RAMJi SINGH: Will the (>rr) % (ir ). MMfcgfr % w r Minister of INFORMATION AND f^T5ft TV wiqs'M'rmili BROADCASTING be pleased to state* qft ^rr?fr 1 1 nft tPP fa (a) whether the employees working in Akashvani Station at Bhagalpur tot | sftr 3?? srreflr have been provided with residential accommodation facilities; !•

(b) whether there is any scheme for cf fW R , grrre sr^sr the construction of a separate colony for them; and irarrsr qff wft *r far^r^ft % farw »rf ^ 3r s s r s (c) if so, the time by which work in this regard would be taken up and 11 sr^r *r ffrq ; ^ completed? friRT 11 j w r smrsfr 1968 f[¥ *rf THE M1N.TSTEH OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI I,. K. qr?§ ^ 1975 vfcx ADVANI): (a) No residential ac­ tfTSi 5?T: q?t n t w ftr o w t commodation has been provided for the ■ «pt f^ t^r fa n | fa t »rr

(b). No Sir. There is no approved . qr witirRd Sfw> qrr fen scheme. to t $ 1 j 105 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 106

( jrtst) wfsrfim, 1948 if eft fn gffa r zrOf *rr*T5TT t t ^ fasreft ^fyf % trfswrr % ?RT

(a) whether the tyre manufacturers T o t a l • 58,53,187 27,14,610 have cut down their production signi­ ficantly since Decemoer, 1976; and

(b) if so, the monthly production of Participation of Journalists in Bombay the major tyre companies in the coun­ TV Programmes try for the year 1976 and the year 1977 3329. SHRI D- D. DESAI: Will the so far? Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) (a) the names of journalists invited No, Madam. The average monthly by Bombay TV during the last six production of automobile tyres dur­ months to participate in its TV pro­ ing the first five months of 1977 was grammes; 5.43 lakh nos. as against the average monthly production of 4.88 lakh nos. (b) the newspaper or groups of during 1976. newspapers to which they belong;

(b) A statement showing the (c) the number of times each one of them was participant in TV pro­ month-wise production of automo­ bile tyres and tubes in 1976 and 1977 gramme from the centre during the (January to May 1977) is attached. said period; and Statement (d) whether any complaint has been received about the Bombay TY Production of Automobile Tyres in Centre that it was favouring journalists 1976 and 1977 belonging to certain newspapers or groups? (Nos.) Month 1976 1977 THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. > 1 2 3 ADVANI); (a) to (c). Information re­ garding names of Journalists invited January • 454*745 550,969 by Bombay Kendra during the last six February 405,029 544*035 months, the newspaper or Group of newspapers to which they belong and March • 538,004 381,742 the number of times each one of them April 419,516 5575631 participated from that Kendra during the said period is given in the State­ May J 453^620 5233971 ment laid on the Table of the House. June 519,013 [Placed in Library . See No. LT-083/i 77]. 07 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers io&

(d) Yes, Sir. Three complaints The extraction and utilisation of were received. Doordarshan Kendra, energy from Ihe sea waves is still in Bombay has been instructed to give the research and development stage special attention to ensure a balanced and its economics is yet to be establish- approach in booking of journalists of ed. various groups of Newspapers. Regional Computer Centres Device for Sea Energy Conversions 3331. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: 3330. SHRI SHAMBHU NATH Will the Minister of ELECTRONICS CHATURVEDI: Will the Minister of be pleased to state: ENERGY be pleased to state; (a) whether there are regional com­ puter centres in the country; and (a) whether Government’s attention has been drawn to the news item (b) if so, the number thereof? ‘Device for Sea Energy Conversion* appearing in the Statesman dated THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI 20-6-77; MORARJI DESAI); (a) and (b). In the case of computers, a large system (b) if so, whether Government pro­ fully utilized by multiple users is a pose to examine its possibilities; much more cost effective proposition than smaller systems provided to indi­ (c) has the new technology of Pro­ vidual userr. The approach of the fessors Antony Paranto for conversion Department of Electronics from it? in­ of force of Sea waves into energy been ception, has therefore been to ensure tried in his own country or anywhere that there is, at one institution in a else; and city, a computer which is powerful enough for several users in the vicinity (d) if so, with what results? to utilize, until their own needs oe?ome large enough to justify separate com­ puters. Powerful multi-user computers of this kind exist at the Tata Institute THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI of Fundamental Research, Bombay; P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) Yes, Sir. Physical Research Laboratory, Ahme- (b) Relevant data relating to the dabad; the India Metereological De­ possibility of utilising sea wave energy partment. Pune and Delhi; Delhi Uni­ is being collected. versity, Delhi; the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore; Engineers India (c) and (d). Research and develop­ Limited, Delhi; the Indian Institute of mental activities to utilise wave energy Technology at Madras; Administrative are reported to have been undertaken Staff College of India, Hyderabad; Elec­ in U.K., Japan and U.S.A. also. In tronics Corporation of India Limited, U.K., a comprehensive programme of Hyderabid etc. Similar systems have research including study of wave been approved at Punjab University, energy conversion devices and work Chandigarh; Banaras Hindu University. related to wave energy conversion sys­ Varanasi; University of Roorkee and tems has been taken up, which could Pune University, Pune. Proposals for lead to testing of a prototype by mid the Kanpur-Lucknow and Bangalore 1980s. areas are under consideration. At Delhi, a spcciel multi-user co m p u te r It is, however, not known whether faculty, called the National Informa­ the specific technology developed by tics Centre, is in the process of being s Prof. Antony Paranto for conversion built up by the Department of Electro­ of energy from Sea waves has been nics itself. All these systems are, In tried m other countries. effect, regional centres. However, in 109 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers n o the Calcutta region, a Regional Com­ srftrarcr w?r f f a ?rk srsrs puter Centra* has been registered as a formal institutional structure for multi­ ftn nf, ^TTjffur fir^ff^rror, uptVit user operation; the computer has been ^r

(’t) * ik (*t). aft-sr^rr wpfr«r ^ 3332. UJTW 7T«rf : sfqTlftSRr ®sr 'T^m'k ifrsr^r for< tt =f^t arflT* Tf fT'Tr fa : »r*rr | faraw ?rk «n»fr«r fsr^rar sTr*rfawt g'Iw f it ^ ?rrfiT?r »rf jftsrTrwf if st it W fWrcr % 5T«v^w f w w srr«rf«Tf:fTi tr *ri grft— zfmJTT spf ?r^fsr ii TJr^gr m m if t f w n : ^rr-ffr frsrmff if «fr ; wrsrr, sfr irrsr^ i r r i ’ % ?ctt ^ ( j?) arfc ?r, rfr ft?*r srfa-sr-rm it !fr% x% x% 1 3T*if % TJT^fr ^fr*ft % firtT q-jrffsr f«m*r ^nfr»r firero %• ^fsrer ^ ?rh: srr«nr ?fr^ w ir^mt «pt Tsr ; KvT ^T^’^^'Triff €r sira«iT srk *rrsr rrgi ^ p t% swrtc fWTrTT (n) =rorr sp/pn: jfrawr s r t T'r ^tr frr^r i ^wrr-ifrfcr qrr "9 rtpt xi( ^ fa * * nT*Fr°r fa^rar srr*r- ^ f^3TR ffl'^rf iftJr^TT SNTWT spr^, n f | ; «rk VRTSTfT % ftr^rnt / «rtr %T5T ftr^PTfl i?qr ir Trnfm (q-) irfir ?f, ?fr ^ jfrswrnr €r f^rer ^ffiff % fTTT TT3T- >rrff qfr s ^ s t t qr. ^tjtt i a-irT (*ft %mf) : sfifcrjrt, ^r4 ^*r’f w k Tvr^rsr^rmf (sp) ir«rfT *mr < m # r ^sH m f if =pr OrfR^cr fararnT b st ifT^irr % ^rrt^r $f®r ?fk vwfor f^pm % *ri[«r *rr if f .* sfr# rgr t 1 w r >J5 Jtsft q? ^?n% sp^r : (g-) im fiw *rk *r§fV sfcff spr w w i i 5tt*t if^T * ^nft fswm (t ) w ?r^7rfV srsmnr if f® ^•JTt % ff=rcr fact »v(t xft^r*rr / sw TftSRT’T ?n^ ^>T R ^K ^TT Tff % ; v t srflfa' «FT!TT w ife (^ ) ?ft qctisitfl' sjflrr ^ r< ft % OT*fr«r s k srfCr weft t t W*TT | ? fa?r% sri% ?rm ^ *r=privr ^ ^TnTarr ^rr *re*rr i Trspff *15 *t?ff («ft ^T»T : ( t ) *rt3r*rr if f* r sftsrsn w r ^ r 33’ 3 ?fk (^r). snmrirRT ^sttt ^ ^rtct Ill Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 112

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( *T ) ^t, SPTJT^TOT (b) the policy adopled bv the Gov­ ernment for the development of minor if TT% % f^ITT 9XVTX TOT TT*T- ports; TT T?t | ?

(c) whether any suggestion has been (sit : received ?rom Kerala Government regarding ihe development of minor ( t ) ^ft, ^t, sfTf^m tiKr ?rtsft- ports; and f*TT j^ H T TT rTTiftTt fa+W % JT^rfa^TT^T

(b) whether tnese Hippies are trad­ ing in narcotics and running nudist * | :— colonies in remote parts of the coun­ > try; and ( 1) f3Tf| 7^% ^ 'TTTt stTrct % ?TTEnr tt fasft (c) if so, whether Government pro­ pose to consider to stop their entry? «ft ^ «Ft W*T5ff rT«n % «rfff*RPr ^

( 3 ) srn^ftf^T/^ti^r Self-reliance in different Sectors SPTiTT % VtfTT ?rtsftf*Rr HMft'ft, 3337. SIIRI K. MALLANNA: Will *rffft?r ^ t, ^rw>r, sffa the Minister of PLANINNG be pleased ??nf/»r?Tf, ^t?r q-nrt, wjwf to state the measures suggested by the Planning Commission to achieve inert ?nft % ^n% *r ^ft ^rrrf self-reliance in different sectors? r ^t % SrTT? f*T4T^r f t M - THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJl TESAI): Self-reliance has ^TTJT I been one of the major objectives of the Fifth Five Year Plan. Towards this end, Planning Commission have stres­ Hippies in India sed measures for raising level of 3336. SHRI G. Y. KHISHNAN; Will domestic savings to finance capital for­ mation in the economy and to accele­ the Minister of HOME -AFFAIRS be rate export promotion and import pleased to state: substitution. Growth in important (a) whether the number of Hippies sectors such as (a) agriculture, (b) is increasing in India; energy and (c) critical intermediates, 11$ Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers I l 6

like steel, non-ferrous metals, fertili­ cases, Licensing Committee-cum- zers, £tc. have been given high priority Monopolies ai;j Restrictive Trade in the allocation of investible resource? Practices Committee for Monopolies in the rifth Five Year Plan (1974—7!») and Restrictive Trade Practices cases and in the annual plans to achieve this and Licensing Committee for non- objective. Monopoly and Restrictive Trade Prac­ tices cases. * These Committees have been set up under the Registration and Criteria for issuing Letters of intent Licensing of Industrial Undertakings and Licences Rule, 1952. These are headed by the Secretary, Department of Industrial 3338. SHRI SATISH AGARWAI.: Development and comprise of the re­ Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be presentatives of the various economic pleased to state: Ministries, Planning Commissi or., Directorate General of Technical Deve- (a) what is the criteria for finalis­ lopment, Council of Scientific and ing applications for .letters of Intent Industrial Research etc- The recom­ and Licences in Ministry of Industry; mendations made by these Committees are placed before the Minister of in­ (b) whether Government propose to dustry for approval, before letters of streamline the different avenues of intent/industrial licences are issued to processing such issues, and individual parties.

(c) existing criteria for issuing Let­ There is no proposal under conside­ ters of Intent to new units? ration at present to change the exist­ ing procedure for processing of indus­ THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY trial licence applications, as outlined (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) above. and (c). In the matter of grant of let­ ters of Intent md industrial licences to new entrepreneurs as well as t o the existing un-Jertskings, ‘Government take into account various factors such fTOTOT 3TTTT as demand, capacity approved/instal­ led, availability oi raw materials, re­ 3339. TTo srstfsmWGT : gional angle, income/outgo of foreign exchange, technology involved, techno- ^TT ^FTT economic features of the proposal, ap­ fTTT • plicant’s background and experience especially in sophisticated areas £

I if STTTfw trsp Implementation of the Recommenda­ tions of the Administrative Reforms «

ftr%wT art n far*ff tt su sfa TTTO faTO t 3ft TT^T STTTTt (a) the broad recommendations of T i*HIHi farpTZRT gTTTf^fHJTftrTfr^TT the Administrative Reforms Commis­ sion which are yet to be implemented; «lldl ^ IT'ftT^R1 TT ^Tf^rT TT^t TT TT*T *ft tf^ftfrT TFSW # ^ftrfT_t I JTfr TTTO f%%TTT f^f^TWr % (b) the reasons for not implement­ ing them; and % T t f ttjit A T rrff % w th *f 'Mil* 5ft W TT p T W ^ TTT^Tf T ^ ft I (c) by when they are likely to be implemented?

THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ TT5IWT5T ^ STTTft wfijTTfTtft JRT FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH>: (a) to (c). The implementation of such r\ Tt ^trt recommendations as have been ac­ cepted wholly or partly or with modi­ 3340. «ft g^fff faWT : TTT fication is the responsibility of the concerned Government departments n ? J?eft TT3TFTPT Jr tfTTTTt or the State Governments. yfSTTfW 5TTT Tt % 5^ Sr is ^t, 1977 % t f m t ^ * t f r n M t^n ^r up-to-date information is being col­ % ^ T ^1^*1 fW^TPTT EfTTT fcjfl 1HT lected from the Ministries/Depart­ ?TWJH < ;'1 , f3RT*t W TTT Tt ?rfy + 1P<.i|T ments concerned and will be laid on the table of the House in due course. 5TTT jjf% ^"tft Tt fro m t, rf I ? h Construction of Akasftivani Studio at Sambalpur, Orissa

»T|f « 3rt («ft ^t^t fa?) : ^fr 3342. SHRI GANANATH PRA- 1 *lf, 1977 ^ 31 »f£, 1977 ^t DHAN: Will the Minister of INFOR­ MATION AND BROADCASTING be snrftr % stVtft T tf ijtft f w r m pleased to state: T R T t , *TCT: T T T t $ (a) whether the propcsal of con- T T T ^ T ift T 7 % T T 5T7H' 'Teft 3351T ^ I sfructing the Akashvani Studio at Sam- 119 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 120 balpur, Orissa is pending for quite a Shortage of Coal with C.M.A. \ long period although the funds have 3343. SHRI R. L. P,t VERMA: Will been allotted for that; the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (b) the reasors for delay in con­ (a) whether there was a shortage of struction works; and 11.3 million tons on 1st April, 1975 in the stock of Coal with Coal Mines (c) the time by which it is propos­ Authority; ed to be corop!ef.*J? (b) if so, Ihe stock cf coal with C.I.L. on 1st April 1977 and shortage THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION in stock, if any. on that date; AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K (c) the production and despatch ADVANI); (a) and (b). Setting up figures for the years 1975-76 and 1976- of studios at Sambalpur is a IV Plan 77 (unit-wise); scheme. Initially, there was a consi­ "(d) steps taken in the Past to find derable delay in the acquisition of the out reasons for suc*h huge shortage site for the studios. Eventually, when and to present its recurrence; and the site was handed over by the State Government, construction work could (e) whether those found guilty were punished? not be started immediately for lack of financial allocations for this scheme THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) in the year 1975-76 and 1976-77, due There is no such information. to constraint on availability of resources. (b) The stock of coal with Coal In­ dia Ltd. on 1st April, 1977. was 13.6 million tonnes. Information regarding (c) The studio set up is expected to shortage of stock, if any on that date, be completed in the year 1980. is being collected.

(c) (in million tonnes)

Company Year 1975-76 1976-77

Prod. Offtake* Prod. Offtake* ECL 26-18 25 02 26 46 25 97 BCCL 20 09 18 63 20 68 19 50

CCL 20-69 19 12 20-73 20 24 WCL 21 46 20 94 21 04 20-72

NEC 0 5 6 0 5 6 0-57 0 5 7

T o t a l . 88-98 84-27 89-48 87 00

♦includes despatch, colliery consumption, coal for hard coke and soft coke, boiler consump tion, etc. \ 121 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 122

(d) and (e). Appropriate steps will ( ^ ) W T O R | be taken, if unaccountable shortages in stock are detected. # *f5r?r Tf STTrfV srk

Appointment of Special Assistant by (*T) *rf? ^T, 5TT VMT ^>t Industries Minister 9XWTR1" if 3344. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Will *TR tft 5fqT SPT PITO the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: I?

(a) whether it is a fact that the : {*>) Industries Minister was refused to (*sT). %^-JT ?raT?Tt/'T^f 7T *Tcff % fatr have a Special Assistant of his own choice; if so, reason therefor; ^rnriT1;, ^ *r^T t? % fin* *rr«r¥n+ (b) whether the person concerned ^n?ff w inwr t t k tr if |tr, (who has been referred) is a com­ *pnr tt fairifTw simr | i petent economist; and sro *p^fHr?r iraTsff/q^T (c) whether the Government is, on % f?n^ ir ?rfsRi sirftrnfT the basis of Administrative Reforms StT'rT fa*TT ^THT gfafs^r ft Commission’s recommendation, going to bring people from outsiHe so as to benefit from their experience and ex­ pertise or is it going to stick to gene­ (»r) 3ft’ stVjtr 1 ralists jind not experts? THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH); (a) fom f h q*f *>r *nw«r and (b). A proposal for appointment of a non-official as the Special Assis- tant to the former Minister of Indus­ 3 3 4 6 . hr snTtim m ? * try was considered but it was decided *FCT «T? *T^ft ^ f*TT 5FT»r fa that as persons holding such posts should have knowledge of govern­ 3 l f ^ W T , 197 6*ft$«ftqV1 5t,rft5T mental rules and procedures of work irk wtt ir ^rxvR vV *narTir j ?t in a Ministry it would be more useful *F»hrTfV «r srk ^^ir *rk to appoint a Government servant to the post. *rrf^rftnff % fa^% 'K urrfyrr *r, facpff *rk frT

3 3 4 5 . s r c n * #®rr % . H w r f f f if i 3 1 - 1 2 - 1 9 7 6 *RTT% $hI 'dv? Pft '•

spt it ST^SSJ STflf(b) According to available informa­ tion 183 persons were killed by Naxa­ | I faiTtfft, 1- 1-1 976^t^TTfiRT<,T lites in three years from 1st January, I if f t v i | aft tjw tc x m f e n 1974 to 31st December, 1976. w r | i [ s«rwa $ TWf qa< i kfatf (c> The *Oovernment do not have ^5?rr L T — 684^77] 1 9 7 5 % any such information. shcnr, *Rt »rf frfanft ^ r a wVr

^ 5R*rf%rr^ <\ srrfajflf « ^ 3t;t stifcPff % fa q wRfwer ^t n f ?rY* ^T R S^R «R TOW ftTOTH arfftpff % sR r *rft »rf 5rt fam inn *5raf ftfarat * t *f5m srsrfa *rr?rr w*jt fir^or Ilif fen*nn|afr wm'T^r 33 48. sft ftt* STRHTH : l4+*lf % fat* 4rcITi ^WRTRt ^vjii *Rt n f WRf«T?T frftrTiff *?T jTfHRjd: »r*TT «rr n tx v f e ?t, m ts spir^ «Tfff% w»r% rfr^r srff % faq ?rjpfr

3347. SHRI P. M. SAYEED; Will wtr *raft («ft mn the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: fTOTt W5^n»ft) : (^r) fy=PT# ?T%5T

^ f^T^rrTT f a »foT ? T R 5TI3^ 5T«TT»T S R I (a) whether Government propose *r ^tr shtr qr ^ to constitute a commission to enquire f w mn i cT«nfa, tTr wtx sr^T*r about the killings by Naxalites in % i977 %5ffa?mT%!??TR%?m% -the past; >o s k R iff w<+i < jftftnff (b) the number of victims of sr^R sfRfr % Sf s f r w Naxalites during the last three years; and H«,d fatr I

(c) whether any compensation wais ( ^ ) aft, f t i 4f%?n5r, 1 5 It given to the victims of Naxalites? 9 7 28 'FT'Ttt, 1977 rRT ^TR?Hir 1 THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ spR^T % %rri vftx w FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (a) No, Sir. % aft w ifd « f ^rzrnt ^ « t r 125 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 189 9 (SAKA) Written Answers 126

Allotment of DAVP Advertisements % w rre r, ?p t *p t 1 49 ^c tt; srrfe^r during March—June, 1977 % Tf^sco qir$?r % W r a *r utft f^PTT I 3350. SHRI PURNA SINHA: Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleaded to state: (*r) sft ^ i w* % fr*rH ?nsrm irk snfe (a) whether Government have al­ % faq vrfWf srk % ^<1 * lotted DAVP advertisements to diffe­ rent publications of Assam, Manipur, Nagaland, Meghalaya, Mizoram and Tripura after Janata Party has as­ sumed power in March, 1977; Demolition of .huts of Haiijans by landlords of Durveslii Village, Nandy (b) if so, which are the publica­ Taluka tions and the quantum of advertise­ ments allotted to each of them dur­ 3349. SHRI ANANT DAVE: Will ing the period ending 30-6-77; the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) whether some publications are denied any advertisement of DAVP (a) whether 30 huts of Harijans if so, the specific reasons for such were demolished by the landlords denial; and of Durveshi Village of Nandy taluka, Kurnool District, Andhra Pradesh (d) whether Government has re­ and they took away building * mate­ vised the earlier policy of distributing rials used in the construction of the advertisements of the Congress ad­ huts; and ministration and proposes to issue a White Paper elaborating the new ad­ (b) whether the land was granted vertisement policy in respect of small by the Government to the Harijans to and medium newspapers and perio­ build their huts? dicals published in regional lan­ guages? THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (a) THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION According to information received AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. from the Government of Andhra Pra­ ADVANI); (a) and (b). A statement desh, 30 huts belonging to Harijans giving the names of publications from and other weaker sections of Durveshi these areas to whom advertisements village of Nandyal Taluka, Kurnool were issued during the period 20th District were allegedly demolished on March to 30th June 1977 is laid on June 13, 1977 by one Mallaswamy the Table of the House. [Placed in Reddy and 11 others of the village. Library. See No. LT-685/77]. The The accused persons are also reported total value of advertisements issued to to have removed building materials. these newspapers during this period However, the same have subsequently was Rs. 59,159. been recovered and handed over to (c> All publications on the approved the village Munsiff for safe custody. A list of DAVP are considered for issue case u/s 427 JPC has been registered of advertisements. and investigation thereof is in progress. ' (d) Distortions and discriminatory features of the advertising policy in (b) The Stale Government have re­ operation till a few months ago have ported that dry land was granted by the already been removed. The matter is Collector, Kurnool to the Harijans and under further comprehensive review members of weaker sections for build­ and a decision is expected to be taken ing huts. shortly. 127 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 128

Small Scale Units in Vidarbha Region assed wealth disproportionate to their known sources of income or about 3351. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will their having transferred huge sums to the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased foreign countries. to state: (c) When anything definite comes (a) whether large number 0f small to notice, appropriate action will be scale units in Vidarbha region of taken according to law. Maharashtra State are sick as a re­ sult of the indifference and callous­ Qualifications for entering Government ness of banks and other financial ins­ and other service titutions towards the problems of 3353. SHRi PRASANNBHAI small units; and MEHTA: Will the Minister of HOME (b) if so, whether Government AFFAIRS be pleased to state: propose to call for a report on the (a) whether in view of the latest nature and magnitude of this sick­ education policy of 10+2+3 Govern­ ness of small scale units in Vidarbha ment have refixed the qualifications region and take suitable action in the for entering the Government service matter? or any other service; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (b) if so, whether the Board of As­ (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) sessment for Educational Qualifica­ and (b). The information is being tions had made any recommendations collected and will be placed on the in this regard; Table of the House when received. (c) if so, the details thereof; and (d) whether they have been com­ municated to the State Governments probe into assets of former Central also? Ministers THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ 3352. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTER. FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): JEE: Will the Minister of HOME (a) to (c). On the basis of the recom­ AFFAIRS be pleased to state: mendations of the Board of Assess­ ment for Educational Qualifications, (a) whether it has been alleged Government have issued orders de­ that many Ministers of the erstwhile termining equivalences of education­ Central Government including its al qualifications in the light of the Prime Minister, have amassed wealth revised pattern of education viz. 10 disproportionate to their income as plus 2 plus 3. The details are as fol­ Ministers; lows: Old qualifications Equivalence under (b) whether it has also been revised pattern alleged that the said Ministers have I. Matriculation High School Certi­ transferred huge sums to foreign ficate (io years). countries; and 2. Higher Secondary Higher Secondary ( n years). Certificate in aca­ (c) if so, whether Government pro­ demic as well as pose to order a thorough probe into vocational*. educa­ the assets of the former Central tion (12 years) Ministers? Intermediate Do. (12 years) THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ Senior Cambridge | Do. FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (a) (Certificate) and (b)i No definite information has 5- University Degree University Degree. been received about the Ministers of (14 years) the former Government, having am­ (d) Yes. 129 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ FAIRS (SHRi CHARAN SINGH); (a) v t w w t jptrt and (b ). At the request of Shri A. Z. Phizo, a meeting took place between 3 354. «ft WTpJlTT *TTT : spTT 3?ft*T the Prime Minister and Shri Phizo on the 14th June, 1977. JT^t JT? ?fT(% ^fr fTT fa r: Before agreeing to meet him, the (?r) «prr T^fifrqfcif ^TTT'ft- Prime Minister had made it clear that issues relating to Nagaland being an ^5r»T) ?rfon % t& z ?. ffcr % JisrfTf internal matter, could not be dis­ ^rt fa»ra- ?t % ^ n x grcl % ^ |, cussed with Shri Phizo unless he ac­ ?r? rrer ?«it ff q^w w |; sftr cepted that Nagaland was part of India and Nagas were its citizens. During the discussions on the 14th June, 1977 in ( j j ) *ri% , ?ft ^arf PTFft SrfoST London, Shri Phizo did not indicate ^rfjT^r rPT 3n% TT HWH t any change in his thinking on these fa*P=* f %n | m basic issues. The Prime Minister, therefore, reiterated the Government’s ^TT’T | ? stand and no issues relating to Naga­ land were discussed. 3?ft»T H9ft (sft 3TTO : ( ^ ) vrrifttmr *r Excesses committed by the Manage­ *T??TTt5r % jnrf^'f ^fr ^ f r if ment of Singareni Colliery

(srs*TT#) ^ sre^srcrf t m tt^hcTT 3356. SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA sfst ijfajpr % ?«infr It *m% ^ f ® HALDER; Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: W ?HT Sfft «ff i jt*st ffsr % f »nr^T 3ft $ h wirff t t tpr ^rr?r «r, wrj^nft if % f^rtr (a) whether attention of Govern­ ment has been drawn to the excesses »ht 11 |sft f^hfnrfnr ^mrr- committed by the management of if *(WtTt'T TT +~l£ «i(fl ^ I Singareni Colliery in Andhra Pradesh on the miners during emergency; (*?) 5TW SS^IT I (b) whether Government are consi­ dering to institute a thorough inquiry into the excesses committed; and

Discussions with Mr. Z. A. Phizo (c) whether the retrenched wor­ kers are reinstateci? 3355. SHRJ S. KUNDU: THE MINISTER OF ENERGY SHRI NIHAR’ LASKAR; (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) Government have received a letter al­ SHRI D. B. CHANDRE leging certain excesses by the manage­ GOWDA: ment of the Singareni Colleries Co. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS Ltd. which is under the Government of be pleased to state: Andhra Pradesh during the Emergen­ cy. According to information receiv­ (a) whether the Prime Minister ed the allegations have been looked had discussions with Mr. Z. A. Phizo into and it is found that the specific in London; and cases of dismissal mentioned in the letter were normal disciplinary cases. (b) if so, the outcome of the dis­ These dismissed -employees have also cussions? since been reinstated on appeal. 1351 L.S.—5 13l Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers

(b> No, Sir. curred by the Nagaland Government was Rs. 9,37,601 after setting off Rs. (c) No worker was retrenched in 4,21,332 on account of sale proceeds Singareni Collieries Co. .Ltd. as a and value of material taken to stock. result of the Emergency. (b) Since the various Departments of the Government participated in the Himachal Pradesh Highways Exhibition the-expenditure was debit­ ed to appropriate heads of the Depart­ 3357. SHKI DURGA CHAND; Will ments, concerned, and not to one head the iviinister of SHIPPING AND of account. TRAiMaPOttT be pleased to state: (c) 138 officials belonging to various (a) whether Government propose to Departments of the Nagaland Govern­ convert some hignways 111 iiAJnaenai ment were deputed for varying Praaesn nuo National Highways dur­ periods and 25 vehicles were used for ing tne J?uth. J?ive Year Plan; and visit of the officials and transportation of material. In addition 11 vehicles (b) if so, the details thereof/ were detained for duty with the Assam Government at their request. THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) No, Sir. Letters, Representations and Memo­ (b) Does not arise. randum received by Prime Minister

3359. SHRI R'. K. MHALGI: Will Amount spent by Nagaland Govern­ the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to ment at A.I.C.C. Session state the number of letters, repre­ sentations and memorandum received 3358. SHRIMATI RANO M. SHA­ by him since 25th March, 1977 from IZA: Will the Minister of HOME the various parts of the country? AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

(a) whether a large sum of money THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI amounting to several lakhs of rupees MORARJI DESAI): 2,42,304 Com­ was spent during the A.I.C.C. Session munications were received up to the at Gauhati by Nagaland Government 30th June, 1977. in 1076;

(b) if so, under what Heads of A c­ Communications in the Backward count have these expenditure been Areas of the Country met; and 3360. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMAN- GO: Will the Minister of SHIPPING (c) how many Government vehicles AND TRANSPORT be pleased to and officials were detailed by the state: State Government for the said Session? (a) whether his Ministry have ear­ marked money for the development THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): of communications in the backward areas of the country; (a) The Nagaland Government parti­ cipated in the Exhibition and Cultural (b) if so, the criteria adopted to Programme held at Gauhati on the assist the States for the same; and ' occasion of A.I.C.C. Session in which other State Governments also parti­ (c) what is the total allocation by cipated. The total expenditure in­ the Centre and States? X 133 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI ward areas as roughly about 10 per MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (c). While cent of the total length of National no specific funds as such have been Highways in the country passes earmarked by the Ministry of Ship­ through tribal areas which are back, ping and Transport for ^he develop­ ward regions. ment of road communications in the fc backward areas of the country, due Central financial assistance lor consideration is given to the require­ backward regions like tribal regions ments of these areas while consider­ is also provided by the Ministry of ing Central financial assistance to Home Affairs. During the 5th Plan States und^r (i) Central Aid Pro­ a special Central assistance amounting gramme of State roads of inter-State to Rs. 190 crores is available and is or economic importance; and (ii) from allocated among the States on the the Central Road Fund. Both schemes following criteria: are intended to cover inter alia back­ ward areas also. (i) 50 per cent on the basis of the tribal population in the Sub Plan Proposals for Central Financial areas; assistance under these programmes are invited from the States and they (ii) 30 per cent on the basis of the are at liberty to suggest as many geographical area covered by the schemes as possible pertaining to Sub-Plan; and backward areas which are given due consideration keeping in view the re­ (iii) 20 per cent in inverse pro­ sources available and the inter-se portion to the net State domestic priority assigned by the State Govern­ product with weightage for the tri­ ment to various schemcs. bal population in the Sub-Plan areas. So far as the Central Aid Pro­ gramme of State roads of inter-State The 5th Plan also provides for a or economic importance is concerned, special emphasis for the development schemes of a total cost of Rs. 41.70 of road communications in the back­ crores have been approved recently ward areas of the States as part of as part of the 5th Plan for the coun­ the Minimum Needs Programme, try as a whole, out of which about 15 per cent schemes pertain to back­ ward areas. Allocation made by the Centre for As regards Central Road Fund major bridges in Orissa (Allocations) Account, schemes of a total cost of about Rs. 30 crores can 3361. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMAN- be approved in the States during the GO: Will the Minister of SHIPPING current plan period and against this AND TRANSPORT be pleased *to amount also the States can suggest as state: many schemes as possible pertaining (a) whether his Ministry have ap­ 1o backward areas. proved and allocated the money for major bridges of Orissa under 'Inter- While there is no set criteria for State and Economic Importance’ for providing assistance to backward the year 1977-78; and areas, they are fiiven comparatively (b) if so, the names of the bridges higher consideration in the approval and allocation made for each bridge? of schemes. THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI Besides the aforesaid schemes, other MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). A Central Sector Road Schemes like loan of Rs. 331.00 lakhs has been ap­ National Highways also serve back­ proved so far for the following pro­ 135 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 136 V jects in Orissa since the beginning of (b) assistance provided to the the 4th Plan under the Central Aid States in this regard; and Programme of State Hoad of Inter- State or economic Importance: (c) special schemes proposed by the Ministry for the development of SI. Name of work Estimated these areas?* No. Cost (Rs. in / lakhs) THE PjRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJl DESAI): (a) A statement is enclosed. Works approved in Fourth Plan; 1. Bridge across Subarnare- (b) Besides special Central assist­ kha on Kharagpur Balasore ance to specific programmes to aug­ road ■ • . . 74*00 ment the States’ own efforts, liberal 2. Brige over Jonk on Arang- patterns of Central assistance with Nawapara road ■ ■ i8 -oo higher grant component than normal have also been provided to some States Works approved in Fifth Plan: like J & K, Himachal Pradesh, and the Stales in the North Eastern Region. 3- Approaches to Subernare- Also States with per capita income kha bridge • ■ • 41*00 below national average have been 4. Construction of Baitami given weight age in the allocation of bridge on Anandpur-Bha- Central assistance. drak road - • • 90*00 5. Construction ofVansadhara (c) The special schemes under opera­ bridge on Parlakhcmundi tion for the development of backward Gunupur-Bissam-Cuttack, £ areas are : road (SH-4) • • • 108 • 00 ( 1) Drought-prone Area Pro­ T o t a l ■ 3 3 1 -0 0 gramme (DPAP).

(2) Small Farmers Development Agencies/Marginal Farmer and Agri­ cultural Labour Programme. For expenditure during April—July 1977, out of funds Voted on account, (3) Tribal sub-plan and tribal de^ loan amounting to Rs. 8.00 lakhs has velopment agency projects. already been released for expenditure on sanctioned works. As regards (4) Hill area sub-plans and Hill funds for the remaining period of the Area Development Projects. year, the provision wocld be intimated after the demands for grants have been Voted by Parliament. (5) Assistance for the accelerated Development of Backward Districts of Andhra Pradesh under “ Six-Point Allocation for development of Back­ Formula” . ward and Tribal Areas (6) Concessional finance, invest­ 3362. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO: ment and transport subsidy schemes for industrial development in indus­ Will the Minister of PLANNING be trially backward areas. pleased to state: (7) Schemes for backward classes. (' (a) the allocation earmarked by the Centre for the development of (8) Schemes for the welfare of backward areas, tribal areas and women and children. weaker sections in 1977-78; 137 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 138

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY Rs. (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) Crores and (b). The production of Indian Rail Coaches during the first quarter Backward Areas of the financial year, 1977-78, was 208 Hill Area sub-plans • 44 #oo as compared to I8^during the corres­ ponding period of 1976-77. The re­ Hill Areas Development Agen­ cy programme • 0-70 quisite information in respect of Heavy Earth Moving Equipment is DPAP .... 50-96 being collected and will be laid on North East Council pro­ the Table of the House. gramme • 28-61

Six-Point Formula assistance to Andhra Pradesh 18 *00

Integrated Rural Develop­ Foreign Collaboration ment • • 8 -00

Tribal Areas 3364. SHRI DHARAM VIR VASISHT: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Tribal Sub-Plan • 55-oo pleased to state: Tribal Development Agency 2-47 programme^ • (a) the number and names of app­ Weaker Sections lications approved by Government industry-wise; State-wise for foreign 44 96 SFDA programme collaboration both in technical and Backward Classes programme 18-23 financial fields, during the 1st quar­ ter 0f the Financial .year 1977-78; Welfare of women and children programme 19-45 (b) the number and names simi­ larly approved in the corresponding period last year 1976-77; and Production of Heavy Earth Moving Equipment and Rail Coaches (c) the reasons for major diffe­ 3363. SHRI DHARAMA VIR rence if any? VASISHT: Will the Minister of IN­ DUSTRY be pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (a) the production of Heavy Earth (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) Moving Equipment and Rail Coaches and (b). 47 and 51 foreign col­ during the first quarter of Financial laboration applications were approved year 1977-78; and during the 1st quarters of 1976-77 and (b) the production of the same 1977-78 respectively. The break-up of equipment f in the corresponding these approvals as industry-wise and period in l97(J-77? State^wise is given as under; 139 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers

No. of approvals No. of approvals Name of the Industry ist quarter of Name of the State ist quarter of 1976-77 1977-78 « 1976-77 1977-78

i 2 3 4 5 6-

Metallurgical Industries . 1 Bihar ;• 3 Prime Movers (Other than 1 Gujarat 3 1 electrical generators) Electrical Equipment 18 16 Haryana 2 £ Transporation 4 3 Himachal Pradesh r I Industrial Machinery 11 13 Karnataka 4 5 Machine Tools 2 2 Kerala 2 4 Miscs. Mechanical & Engg. 2 Madhya Pradesh 1 £ Industries Commercial, Office & •• 1 Maharashtra * 20 Household Equipment Medical & Surgical Appli 1 1 Orissa 1 ances.

Industrial Instruments 1 3 Punjab 1 r Chemicals (Other than 2 6 Rajasthan 1. r fertilizers) Food Processing Industries •• 1 Tamil Nadu 1 6 Rubber Goods 2 Uttar Pradesh. 5 Leather, Leather Goods 1 West Bengal 10 5 and Pickers Glass 3 Union Territory of L Delhi

.Ceramics 1 ■■ Union Territory of r Goa. Non-Scheduled Industry 1 1

T o t a l 47 51 47 5i

Naples of the applicant parties are given in the Statements I and II laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-686/77J, (c): There are no major significant differences between foreign collabora­ tion applications approved during theilrst quarter of 1977-78 as compared to* first quarter of 1976-77. [41 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 189 9 (SAKA) Written Answers 142 \ik i Issue ef Letters of feteat (c) steps proposed to be taken in this regard? 3365. SHRI DHARAMA VIR VASISHT: Will the Minister of IN­ THE PRIME" MINISTER (SHRI DUSTRY be pleased to state: MORARJl DESAI): (a) to (c). The National Highway No. 3 which passes through Gwalior end its adjoining (a) the number of Industrial Licen­ districts of Madhya Pradesh, is re­ ces and letters of intent issued by ported to be in an unsatisfactory state Government in the months of April, in sections where it is single lane and May and June 1977, Industry/State - passes through black cotton soil area. wise; r ^ In these sections also whenever any necessity for repairs arises, it is done imer (b) whether licences issued con­ expeditiously by the State P.W.D. form to Industrial Policy; and working as an agent of the Central Government. (c) if so, with what employment potential? The National Highway is being im­ proved, widened to two lanes and THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY strengthened in a phased manner ac­ (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) cording to the availability of funds. A Statement is laid on the Table of Estimates amounting to Rs. 11.44 the House. rp foced in Library . See crores have been approved for the No. LT-687/77]. purpose for the length of 675 Kms. of the National Highway in Madhya Pradesh during 4th and 5th Plan (b) Yes, Sir; periods and the works are under diffe­ rent stages of execution. Some esti­ (c) According to the data furnished mates are still awaited from the State: in the applications by grantees of In­ P.W.D. dustrial Licences and holders of Let­ ters of Intent, issued in April, May and June 1977. the likely employment NDMC Bus Routes in Delhi notential is indicated to be 33,560. 3367. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- DIA: Will the Minister of SHIP­ PING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state:

Natioq^l Highway passing through (a) whether Government aro Gwalior aware of deteriorating bus service Ui Delhi especially on the routes where NDMC is running its buses; 3366. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- A DIA: Will the Minister of SHIP­ (b) what is the frequency, of NDMC PING AND TRANSPORT be pleased bus service on route No. 52 ex-Regal to state: to Nauroji Nagar; (c) whether there is no bus service (a) whether Government are on this route during peak hours of aware that National Highway pass­ office time as buses are also diverted ing through Gwalior and adjoining to Kidwai Nagar out of the buses of districts of Madhya Pradesh is in a the same route No. 52; ^ kfid shape and needg immediate at­ tention for repairs; (d) whether there is also no bus service on this route from 13.00 to 15.00 hours as being rest period for (b) if so, the details thereof; and NDMC staff; and 143 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 144

(e) if so, steps Government pro­ A.I.R and TV officials connected with pose to take to improve service? 20-Point Programme implementation Committee THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) I agree that 3369. SHRI NAWAB SINGH CHAU- bus services in Delhi require improve­ IHAN; Will, the Minister of INFOR­ ment. There has been some deteriora­ MATION AND BROADCASTING be tion in the services on the routes on pleased to state: which buses of NDMC are running. (a) the names and designation of A .I.R . and TV officials who have been (b) 16 minutes to 32 minutes. closely connected with the 20-Point (c) No, Sir. Programme Implementation Commit­ / tee of the Congress headed by Shri Yash Pal Kapur, M.P. the office of (d) During this period, bus services which was located at 10, Rajindra are available on thie route at a fre­ Prasad Road, New Delhi; quency of 32 minutes. (b) whether some of AIR and TV (e) If the NDMC fails to maintain officials actively participated in the the schedules on the bus routes activities of the Writers’ Forum of the assigned to it, DTC will have to pro­ said Campaign Committee; vide its own buses on those routes. (c) whether such association of Government servants was not in con­ travention of the Conduct Rules fram­ Formulation of Transport ed for these officers; and Policy (d) if so, what action Government propose to take against these officials 3368. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: for violating the conduct rules? Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state; THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI (a) whether Government are in L. K. ADVANI); (a) and (b). On the the process of formulating a national basis of the records available in AIR integrated and coordinated transport and Doordarshan, none of their offi­ policy immediately; and cials appear to have been connected with the 20-point programme Imple­ (b) if so, will the Government mentation Committee or the Writers* please inform the quantity of power Forum of the said Committee. required for haulage of ton kilo (c) and (d). Do not arise for the meter for (i) Kacha road * (ii) on present. metal road (iii) on tarred road?

THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI Setting up of Industrial Complex in MORARJI DESAI): (a) The formula­ Kerala tion of a National integrated and Co­ ordinated policy as between different 3371. SHRI K. A. RAJAN: Will the modes of transport is under consi­ Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to deration. state: (a) whether the Kerala State Gov­ (b) The required information is ernment has proposed a scheme to being collected and will be laid on set up 25 new industrial complexes the Table of the House as soon as it for manufacturing export-oriented is available. commodities; 145 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 1461

(b) if so, the main features of the relevant to the promotion of domestic scheme; savings, these include pricing policies, fiscal incentives, appropriate interest (c) whether the Centre has been rates and devising suitable savings requested for any financial assistance instruments. Government's fiscal and for this new scheme; and import control policies will be directed towards a reduction in all forms (d) if so, the facts and Govern­ conspicuous consumption. It will also ment’s decision thereon? be government’s aim, through its in­ comes policy and taxation, to reduce THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY existing disparities in income and (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) wealth to the extent possible. These The Ministry of Industry (Department measures will be formulated in con­ of Industrial Development) have not crete terms and will emerge as part received any proposal from the Kerala of the future budgets, annual plans State Government for setting up 25 and policy statements. new industrial complexes for manu­ facturing export-oriented commodi­ ties. Inclusion of Gavda Community in (b) to (d). Do not arise. S. C. and S. T.

3373. SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Growth Rate in Economy Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased t° state the steps Govern­ 3372. SHRI S. KUNDU; Will the ment have taken to include the Gavda Minister of PLANNING be pleased to community of Goa in the Scheduled state the concrete steps being taken to Castes and Scheduled Tribes category achieve growth rate in economy as so that they may avail of the privi­ projected in the plan and to promote leges of Scheduled Castes and Sche­ savings, reduce conspicuous consump­ duled Tribes? tion and disparity in income and wealth? THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI There is no proposal to include the MORARJI DESAI): The Hon’ble Gavda Community of Goa in the Sche­ Member has raised many general duled Category. issues which have been dealt with ade­ quately by the Finance Minister in his speeches on the budget and will WTO forth % ?VtR ?r«rr policies over a period of time. Gov­ ernment have asked the Planning STTT 107, cT*TT 151 % STSfcT Commission to examine afresh the sqfRT PlTMTT priorities for investment in the exist­ ing plan and to re-order these priori­ (

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Indo-Canadian Nuclear Talks Ideal Buses

3375. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL RED­ 3377. SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN: DY: Will the Minister of SHIPPING Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENER­ AND TRANSPORT be pleased to GY: be pleased to state: state: (a) whether any delegation has (a) whether a number of DTC buses visited Canada to hold Nuclear talks ace lying idle due tp squabble among with them; the officers of DTC; and (b) if so, whether any Canadian (b) I f so, the steps being taken by Delegation is coming to India; and the Government to put the buses in serviceable condition? (c) the latest position about this after tfce prime Minister’s talks with THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI the Canadian Prime Minister in MORARJl DESAI): (a) 468 buses London?, j j jj were awaiting major repairs, as on THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI 1-7-1977 and not because of any sqjuabfcie among the officers of the MORARJl DESAI); (a) and (b). An DTP. Indian delegation had visited Canada in November, 1975 to hold talks on fb) Due to shortage of various spare nuclear matters. After Canada’s deci­ parts and materials and the limitation sion in May, 1978 not to have any fur­ on the workshop capacity of the Cor­ ther co-operation with India, there poration, the repair work has been has been no exchange of delegations. dclgye£. Arrangements afe being made to procure the spares and mate­ Cc) The Prime Minister of Canada rials required and to put back on the has already publicly stated and which road as many of these buses as possi­ I have publicly confirmed that a basis ble, in the near future. of resumption of discussions now exists. i

Buses with D. T. C. Investment in small scale industries 3376. SIJRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: by Tamil Industries Investment Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND Corporation TRANSPORT" be pleased to state: (a) the total number of buses with 3378. SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN: DTC; Will the Minister to INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (b) the niimber of buses in work­ ing order and number of buses ly­ (a) whether Tamil Industries In­ ing idle; and vestment Corporation proposes to 149 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 150 disburse Rs. 25 crores to give a major (b) special measures being pro­ thrust to the production of small scale posed to help rural/urban poor to* industries; participate effectively in the process of economic development^Th” a^ sus­ (d) if so, the main points of the tained manner; proposed programme;

(c) how many industries will be (c) the type of organisational given this amount; and mechanism proposed/conceived to help organise rural labour to ensure (d) ,'how much each industry will new deal to them; and be given?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (d) whether any integrated prog­ (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) ramme is conceived to conserve the to (d). The information is being col­ eroding productive capacity stamina lected and will be placed on the Table of rural labour ? of the House, when received. THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) It is a fact that persons having land and other assets tend to receive greater benefit 3 379. T from plan investments, especially out­ f^T far ^rr lays on irrigation, agricultural pro­ duction, rural develppment, coopera­ ST^TFT tldH I THTTnr tive credit and so on, than the land­ ssffar wrfqcr less poor. Similarly the proportion of +<.% m^RTT ^ ? benefits arising from investments in indutry and infra-structure which reaches the urban poor may be rather wt

(a) whether in the process of (c) and (d). While formulating the development those who have re­ Sixth Five Year Plan, the Planning sources get developed under the Commission has been asked to evolve Government's programme but large a strategy for tfye absorption of a chunk of rural and urban poor with­ significant proportion of the quantum out any resource base hardly parti, of unemployment in productive em­ cipate effectively in the process of ployment within the plan period and economic development and make the balance in the next five years. A themselves viable; substantial part of the population Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 152 which is at present below the poverty The major aspects which have been line would be provided not only food, given special attention are

Unemployment in the Country 3384. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS­ 3383. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will the PORT be pleased to state: Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state:, (a) whether final decision has been taken for setting up ship build­ (a) whether the Planning Com­ ing yard at Haldia: mission has taken up th.i challeng­ Cb) if so, the facts thereof; and ing task of finding means of tackling the problems of growing unemploy­ (c) if not, the reasons for pro­ ment in the country; longed delay in the matter of taking final decision in this regard? (b) if so,, facts thereabout; THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI (c; whether before formulation of MORARJl DESAI): (a) No, Sir. concrete policy, programme and pro­ jects for dealing with the unemploy­ (b) Does not arise. ment problem, a national debate is (c) The proposal involves many proposed to be organised for afford­ technical and financial problems and ing opportunities to the interested therefore various aspects of the pro­ people to offer this realistic sugges­ posal have to be examined in detail tion for resolving unemployment before taking a final decision. problem; (d) if so, steps proposed; and Biridge over Parvati River 3385. DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN­ (e) the latest figures, with State- DIT; Will the Minister of SHIPPING wise break-up of (i) unemployment AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state: in general, (ii) unemployed regis­ tered with Employment Exchanges (a) whether the proposal for a and (iii) agricultural unemployed? bridge over Parvati River near Pilookedi, Tehsil Narsinghgarh in THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI District Rajgarh (M.P.) is pending MORARJl DESAI); (a) and (b). Gov­ with the Government o? India; and ernment is fully aware of the problem (b) if so, when the proposal would of unemployment in the country. To be sanctioned and when the construc­ tackle this problem effectively the tion will begin? Planning Commission have been asked to formulate the Sixth Five Year P la n THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI with a high employment content. The MORARJl DESAI): (a) No, Sir. Commission will propose concrete policies and programmes in due course.^ (b) Does not arise. 155 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977^ Written Answers

Sale of Vehicles allotted to ex-service­ for removal of sickness in the indus­ men from the surplus Defence stock tries has submitted its report to Gov­ ernment; 3386. DR, VASANT KUMAR PAN­ DIT: Will the Minister of DEFENCE (b) if so, its main recommenda­ be pleased to state: tions; and • • (a) the details of complaints receiv­ (c) when the report is likely to be ed by Government against the alle­ implemented? ged sale of vehicles allotted to ex- servicemen from the surplus defence THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY stock; (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a> Various groups have been set up from (b) the number out of them being time to time to go into diverse pro­ investigated by CBI and the reasons blems of industrial sickness. On tho for not taking actions in other com­ general problems of sickness of indus­ plaints; and try, a special group was se* up some time back to go into the problems (c) when the CBI started investi­ affecting sick engineering units, and gation and by which time, their find­ its Report has been submitted to ings are expected? Government. THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (bi) The main recommendations of (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) A num­ the Special Group were; ber of complaints have been received regarding sale of vehicles allotted to (i) Early identification of cases of ex-Servicemen from surplus defence incipient sickness, so as to avoid stocks at CVD Avadi, COD Cheoki and closure and serious cases of sickness CVD Delhi Cantt. The complaints is essential. While the primary relate to breach of conditions of allot­ responsibility in this regard rests ment, release of specialised vehicles with the unit itself, banks, financial instead of ordinary vehicles, and sale institutions and industrial associa­ of vehicles to private individuals in tions should also develop systems to the name cf ex-Servicemen. monitor incipient sickness.

(b) Five cases have been investigated (ii) The role of the Industrial by CBI and two are under investiga­ Reconstruction Corporation of India, tion. Departmental action has been and development of necessary taken in other cases. expertise to meet changing needs should be reviewed from time to (c) CBI started investigation of five time. cases between August 1974 and Feb­ ruary 1975. Investigations in these (iii) Healthy units should be cases have been completed. Investiga­ encouraged to help in the revival of tions in respect of the remaining sick units, and wherever possible, 2 cases were commenced only in rationalisation and mergers should be January 1977. encouraged to secure economic viability.

High Power Committee on sick (iv) An essential remedy is to Industries assure industrial units the process of growth so as to cover and absorb 3387. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR; rising costs as well as sustain tech­ SHsRI K. LAKKAPPA: nological development. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be (v) In regard to closed units Gov­ pleased to state; ernment may consider initiating enquiry to the extent practicable in (a) whether high power Commit­ order that an appropriate revival tee appointed to suggest measures effort is made even where refer- 157 Written Answers ASADHA 25, 1800 (SAKA) Written Answers 158

encas/applications for assistance are tations from the Reception Officers not forthcoming. from time to time to absorb them in (vi) Where mala fide management the Reception organisation; and is proved, and/or other courses of action have failed, Government (b) if so, the details and Govern­ action by way of enquiry, and, if ment’s reaction thereto? necessary, takeover is suggested. This should be considered as ‘last resort’ action. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH); (a) and (b). (vii) Government action to avoid Representations have been received fluctuations in demand/order through from time to time from some Junior improved planning is essential. Reception Officers, for their permanent absorption in the Reception Organisa­ (c) The recommendations of the tion. But, as a matter of policy, posts Special Group were considered at a of Junior Reception Officers are at fcneeting held »in the Planning Com­ present being filled by deputation only. mission on 28th December, 1974. This is because the Cadre is a small Since then, a number of steps have one with very little scope for promo­ been taken to avoid, or to alleviate tions. Permanent absorption Will industrial sickness. Financial assist­ therefore result in stagnation and ance on concessional terms is now consequent discontent later. given by the Industrial Development Bank of India (and o^her financial institutions) for modernisation of the Setting up of Cement Factory in textiles, jule, sugar, cement and engi­ Jammu neering industries. The Reserve Bank of India has opened a special cel] for the monitoring of the health of indus­ 3389. DR. KARAN SINGH; Will the trial units with a view to detecting Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to incipient sickness and banks and finan­ state: cial institutions have been advised to look out for signs of incipient sickness (a) whether the setting up of a in the assisted units so that timely cement factory in the backward re­ remedial measures may be initiated. gion of Basohli in Jammu has been Provision for “Automatic” licensing of under consideration for some time; growth of capacity—by 25 per cent and every five years—has been made for 14 selected engineering industries. A (b) if so, the reasons why a deci­ special facility has been announced in the last Budget for Ihe merger and sion On this has been delayed? amalgamation of sick units with healthy units, so as to help revive such sick THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY units and maintain employment and (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) production. and (b). M/s. Jammu & Kashmir Minerals Limited, a Jammu and ^ Representations from Reception Kashmir Government Undertaking, was Officers granted a Letter of Intent in April, 1971 for the manufacture of 2 lakh 3380. SHRI K. A. RAJAN: tonnes of Portland cement per annum SHRIMATI PARVATIII at Basohli. The validity of the Letler KRISHNAN: of Intent has been e x t e n d e d from time Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS to time. The progress of implementa­ ■be pleased to state: tion of the scheme appears to be slow due to the delay in making the neces­ (a) whether Government have re­ sary financial arrangements by the ceived a large number of represen­ State Undertaking. 159 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers i 6o

Them Dam Project The State Government indicated at the time of sanctioning the detailed 3390. DIR.. KARAN SINGH: Will the estimates that the cost of the work Minister of ENERGY be pleased to would go up to Rs. 140 lakhs, out of state: which Rs. 115 lakhs was to be met out (a) whether the Thein Dam Pro­ of the Ceptral loan and the balance ject in Jammu has been finalised; and from State resources. According to the latest indications the cost is likely (b) if so, details thereof? to be about Rs. 200 lakhs. As 'He THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI State Government are finding it diffi­ P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) and (b). cult to provide the excess from their The proposed Thein Dam Project, own resources, and the Central Gov­ which seeks to harness the waters dI ernment also have no provision for river Ravi, has not yet been finalised, meeting this increase, the State Gov­ as many issues involving the parti­ ernment have been advised to complete cipating States of Punjab Haryana, the road to the extent possible within Rajasthan, Jammu & Kashmir and the available resources. To achieve Himachal Pradesh remain to be settled. this objective, the State Government have also been allowed to adopt the Inter-State Road between Bhadarwah same specifications for this road as are and Jammu being followed by them for State roads. 3391. DR. KARAN SINGH^ Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS­ India's Shipping Tonnage PORT be pleased to state: (a) whether the crucial Inter- *3392. SHRI P. K. KODIYAN; Will State road between Bhadarwah and the Minister of SHIPPING AND Jammu has not progressed satisfac­ TRANSPORT be pleased to state: torily despite its clearance by the Government of India; and (a) the target fixed in the Fifth Five Year Plan in increasing India’s (b) if so, the reasons thereof and shipping tonnage; the measures intended to be taken t0 ensure speedy completion? (b) the progress so far achieved in this respect; and THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJl DESAI); (a) and (b). Pre­ (c) whether the target is likely to sumably, the Hon’ble Member is having be achieved at the end of the Fifth in mind the inter-State road between Plan? Bhadarwah in Jammu and Kashmir State and Chamba in Himachal THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI Pradesh. It is a State road and the MORARJl DESAI); (a) to (c). The State Governments concerned are responsible for its construction. Fifth Five Year Plan target for ship­ ping tonnage is an operative tonnage Work is already in progress. So far of 6.50 million GRT with another 0.50 as the Jammu and Kashmir portion is concerned, the progress reported by million GiRT on order. The operative the State Government upto March 1977 tonnage which stood at 3.09 million is as under: — GRT at the beginning of Fifth Plan (i) Land acquisition 100% has been increased to 5.264 million (ii) Earth work 56 % GRT as on 30th June, 1977. Another 0.75 million GRT is under construction. (iii> Retaining wall/,breast wall 56% No difficulty is anticipated in achieve- (iv) Overall progress 57% ing the target. 161 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 189 9 ( SAKA) Written Answers 162

Closure of Film Wing of Film and (a) what is the policy in granting Television Institute of India, financial assistance to the new entre­ Pune preneurs desirous to set up manufac­ turing units in the backward districts 3393. SHRI P. K. KODIYAN: of Gujarat. State; PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: (b) whether there are any condi­ Will the Minister of INFORMATION tions for granting financial assist­ AND BROADCASTING be pleased to ance; and state: (c) the details thereof? (a) whether the film wing of the Film and Television Institute of India THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY at Pune was closed down recently; (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) and to (c). The new entrepreneurs who set up manufacturing units in back­ (b) if so, the reasons therefor? ward districts are given financial as­ sistance on concessional terms by pub­ THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ lic sector financial Institutions. The TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI financial concessions are in the form L. K. ADVANI): (a) and (b). The of lower interest rate, longer initial Film Wing of the Film and Television grace period etc. The new entrepre- Institute of India, Pune has not been nurs in backward areas enjoy the de­ closed down. Only the regular sum­ duction of 20 per cent from profits mer vacations, which were to com­ and gains for assessing income-tax. mence from 1-6-77, had been advan­ Machines are supplied On hire-pur- ced to start from 25-5-77f because of chase basis at concessional earnest an agitation launched by the students money at 10 per cent of the value of with regard to the changes proposed machinery to small scale units by Na­ in the present teaching pattern. tional Small Industries Corporation. NSIC’s rate interest to entrepreneurs Cement Price Policy coming from backward areas is also lower. In select backward districts 3394. SHRI S. G. MURUGAIYAN: new entrepreneurs get capital subsidy Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be to the extent of 15 per cent on invest­ pleased to state: ment in land, building, plant ani ma­ chinery. These concessions would be (a) whether a new cement price available to the new entrepreneurs policy is being worked out by Gov­ who are desirous of setting up manu­ ernment; and facturing units in the backward dis­ (b) if so, the salient features there­ tricts of Gujarat State. In addition to of? these, the State Govts, including the Govt, of Gujarat may give such con­ THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY cessions as they deem fit to the entre­ (SHRi GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) preneurs who wish to set up manu­ No, Sir; no general revision of the facturing units in the backward dis­ Price for Cement Industry is under tricts. consideration of the Government. (b) Does not arise. Power Shortage in Gujarat 3396. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: Financial Assistance to entrepreneurs Will the Minister of ENERGY be in Gujarat pleased to state: ?« • 3395. SHRI AHMED M. FATEL: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be (a) whether Gujarat State is fac­ Pleased to state: » ing an acute shortage of power; 1351 LS—6. 163 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 164

(b) names of the districts facing more power shortage.; and (c) steps taken by the Govern­ 339 8. sftHi vnv.41 : WT ment to solve the problem? w t *n^l' 1 :

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (^>) w i TT^rT '>1 iffl % (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) The current power situation in Guja­ vrrff TT 't w T O rat is generally satisfactory. How­ «h i *m «rr ; ever, power supply to rural feeders was restricted during peak hours from February to April, 1977 due to outage of Tarapur Atomic Power Station. (n) (b) Mehsana and Sidhpur Districts TT3RT sflT ThmTT 3% % fair in North Gujarat have faced power 5TVTT % f^TTTfcfto TT ^ I shortages of varying extent in the past. kamt WT I ? (c) Two units of 120 MW edch have TW annftarr TW) : been recently commissioned at ( v ) ^ i *!*tt ir ‘tt^ t Gandhinagar Thermal Station in North Gujarat. With the stabilisation TPT sft T tf ^ ^TTf of these two units, the power position t I in the State including North Gujarat will improve further. (*r) (»r). sm Setting up of T.V. stations \J.S. Cooperation for Development of 3397. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: Energy in India Will the Minister of INFORMATION 3399. SHRI PRASANNBHAI AND BROADCASTING be pleased to MEHTA: Will the Minister of ENER­ state: GY be pleased to state: (a) the number of television sta­ (a) whether Government have re­ tions proposed to be set up during ceived any information from the U.S. the next three years; and regarding their cooperation in the (b) the names of places where development of energy in India; these television stations are proposed (b) if so, whether any delegation to be set up? is being sent to the U.S. for agree­ ment; THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ f (c) the extent to which U.S. co- x TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI operation will be forthcoming dur­ L. K. ADVANI): (a) Seven. ing the current year; and (d) whether any schemes have (b) Two full-fledged Television been prepared by the Indian Gov­ Stations with programme originating ernment in this regard? facilities are proposed to be set up at Hyderabad and Jullundur. In addi­ THE MINISTER OF ENERGY tion, it is proposed to set up 5 Trans­ (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) ^ mitting Centres at Gulbarga, Sambal- No, Sir. However, possibilities of pur, Muzaffarpur, Kanpur and Mas- fostering mutually advantageous co­ soorie. operation in science and technology 165 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 \SAKA) 'Written Answers 166

including aspects relating to energy Port and Dock Workers in Visakha- are being explored under the Indo- patnam Port U.S. Sub-Commission on Science and Technology. Proposals for joint re­ 3400. SHRI DjRONAMRAJTJ SAT- search and development in the fields YANARAYANA: Will the Minister of of solar energy, coal and use of un­ SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be conventional energy sources in agri­ pleased to state_: culture are being identified and con­ sidered. (a) the total number of port and dock workers in Visakhapatnam port; (b) and (c). Do not arise. and (d) The following project proposals (b) number and percentage of have been prepared for considering workers provided with housing ac­ co-operation: — commodation as on 31st March, 1977?

Solar Energy: THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). The Design and development of required information is given below in vapor absorption refrigeration sys­ respect of port and dock workers of tems working with flat plate collec­ Visakhapatnam: tors; Total Number Percen­ Medium-temperature high-effi- number of ' tage of cieny non-tracking solar energy of workers workers workers provided provided collectors for rural and industrial with with housing housing application; acco­ accommo­ mmoda­ dation Optimization of solar drying tion systems for agricultural produce; i. Port workers 11036 1462 13-25 Testing and performance eva­ 2. Dock luation of solar cells, panels and workers 3i3i 888 28*36 power systems; /

Thin-film heterojunction solar News item captione^ “TV's little , cells; and Watergate1'

Fabrication of inexpensive 3401. SHRI NAWAB SINGH CHAU- Schottky-barrirer solar cells. HAN: Will the Minister of INFOR­ MATION AND BROADCASTING be Coal: pleased to state: Fluidied-bed combustion of (a) whether Government’s atten- . coal; tion has been drawn to an article pub­ Hot gas clean-up systems for lished in the 'Mainstream* dated thft coal combustion; and 10th April, 1977 entitled ‘T.V/s littlja Solvent extraction of coal. Watergate’*; 167 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers

(b) if so, how far Government support of various programmes launch­ subscribe to the views expressed ed during the emergency as follows; therein and wthat action is proposed to be taken against tho^e guilty offi­ Rs. lakhs cials who had been responsible for Printed piiolicity 163 the misuse of the TV media for their Advertising 118 personal ends; and Exhibitions 9 (c) whether Government aive aware Outdoor Publicity 20 that the persons responsible for mis­ Distribution costs 28 use of the media are still at the helm of affairs and have not changed their SJ735TRV ^TITST VT attitude? 3403. : ^TT THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI ^ fPTT : L. K. ADVANI): (a) Yes, Sir. ( ^ ) % TO «r Y 5FFF5T (b) The matter is under examina­ PtidH + K

(c) The misuse of mass media dur­ (*sr) t o q s n *

ing the Emergency has been looked PtidHI §STT rPTT into by the ^>ass Committee. Gov­ ernment’s decision on the finding of

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against persons found responsible. f^TT Zf|vWr|| 0(r|l The media have, however, already changed its approach in tune with Tfft ^ fTT, eft the Government policy.

Publicity material brought out by -zsftir TO* : DA VP during emergency (sp) qrerrft era

3402. SHRI DURGA CHAND: Will WfTTtT tnrg- Ph^ f^T® the Minister of INFORMATION AND Un p h k $nnrrft t o t BROADCASTING be pleased to state q m I tr^rrrra1 ^ I Ph^i the details of the publicity material brought out by DAVP during the 30,000 tfto HrT *Pt wrSrv s tw t emergency and at what cost? 7 5,000 rfV®

« THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION f«lfdl< +"PN*T 51K W | I fa*T AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. 75,000 *ft«> z* I ADVANI): A sum of _Rs. 338 lakhs was spent by DAVP on bringing out irorvrO’ tp p t ^»t f%m

and distributing publicity material in I 1 1 69 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers iji

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Reinstatement of Nagaland Officials (c) what is tl*e total strength of persons employed in the Vigilance, 3404. SHRIMATI RANO M. Commission; and SHAIZA: Will the Minister of HOME (d) what is the total number of AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Nagas and non-Nagas employed in the (a) whether some Nagaland Gov­ Vigilance Commission? ernment Officials under suspension on charges of corruption were reinstated THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ after the appointment of Vigilance FAIRS: (SHRI CHAR AN SINGH): Commission in the State; (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. According to the Government 0f Nagaland, there (b) if so, how many such cases are have been five cases in which offi­ there in the State; cials under suspension were reinsta­ 171 Written Answers JULY 13, 1077 Written Answers ted on the advice of the Vigilance plants in the country during 1976-77 Commission. was 9.6 per cent and 12.95 per cent respectively. Corresponding to these (q) 22 rates of outages, the total loss of ener­ (d) Non-Nagas—13 gy on account of planned maintenance was approximately 8565 million units Nagas—9 and that on account 0f forced outage was approximately 11,565 million Loans to sick shipping companies units.

3405. SHRIMATI PARVATHI KRI­ (b) The total number of forced out­ SHNA!*: Will the Minister of SHIP­ ages were 2474 and the average time PING AND TRANSPORT be pleased taken for repair of a forced outage to state: 1 was 53 hours. (a) whether Government have decided to give Rescue loans to a (c) It is not possible to furnish figu­ number of sick shipping companies; res relating to the number of inter­ and ruptions in the various power systems in the country, the transmission and (b) if so, which are these shipping distribution networks of which are companies eligible to get this loan? being maintained and operated by the State Electricity Boards. The Region­ THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI al Electricity Boards keep a record of MORARJI DESAI): (e) No, Sir. only the major grid disturbances, jin- There is no such category of loans. alyze their causes, and take remedial (b) Does not arise. measures where necessary. (However interruptions in power supply to con­ sumers are caused by either generat­ Thermal Power Plants ing capacity falling short of demand as a result of forced outage of generat­ 3406. SHRI D. D. DESAI; Will the ing units and/or break-downs of the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to transmission and distribution system state: due to line faults, snapping of conduc­ tors, failure of towers, poles, cables, (a) the number of hours of outages transformers, over-loading of the sys­ of major thermal plants in the coun­ tems and other associated equipment. try in 1976-77; Cb) the number of breakdowns of Vigorous steps are being taken to these plants during this period and reduce forced and planned outage the time taken for their repair; rates of generating units and to re­ inforce the transmission and distribu­ (c) thie number of times interrup­ tion system. tions have taken place in various power systems during the period, the (d) Voltage variations occur in sys­ reasons thereof and the remedies tems having long transmission lines contemplated and implemented; and and large variation in day and night (d) whether voltage variation i» demand. Proper voltage regulation also a serious shortcoming of our equipment provide the remedy to such power systems and if so, remedies situations. Necessary steps are being thereof? taken to improve transmission and distribution system. As the net-work THE MINISTER OF ENERGY keeps on expanding, system improve­ (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) ment is a continuous process within Thej planned outage and the forced the constraint of availability of re­ outage xates of the major thermal sources. Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 174

Public Service Commission for Goa, The Government of Uttar Pradesh 1, Daman and Diu is examining this report with a view to taking action on the various re­ 3407. SHRI EDUARDO FALERIO: commendations contained in it. These Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS recommendations are also being stu­ be pleased to state: died in the Department of Power of the Government of India for such (a) the reasons w h y a State Public Service Commission for th*e Union action as is required, and wherever territory of Goa, Daman and Diu has necessary the Govt, of U.P. will be ad­ vised suitably. not been created so far; and

(b) whether Government propose «tfr- to create such a State Public Service Commission?

THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ 34 0 8. WrraV w f : WT FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (a) The Constitution of India does not provide for creation of a separate f>'TT T t’T ' Service Commission for the Union Territories. Their needs are served by the Union Service Commision. ( t ?r*rr njr^Tr % (b) No Sir. ■*j 3'mrVir am ir fe^fr Tf^pr 3TTT 5TCT fis l TT VTpr Rihand Fower Project ST5 4'*i <. j[T ^ $rfWnr 3408. SHRI SHAMBHU NATH CHATURVEDI: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state; (

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) ( ftwfV i^i <. 51^ and (b). The Government of Uttar *r % aiR- qr Pradesh in their G. O. No. 636 (i)/S B / 75-XXIII—Irrigation-4 dated 20.2.75 ^ifr ^ n f «fi w k qra- constituted a Committee on Land and PTFT if ^ Water Management of Rihand Reset- % TOTOTq srTT^TfV ^ *T*fV I voir. The report of the Committee was submitted to the Government of TT

Research reactors and computers in A section of the administrative offi­ Bhabha Atomic Research Centre ces at Hyderabad and the entire office set up at the other three centres ore 3410. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL presently housed in rented accommo­ NAIDU: Will the Minister for ATO­ dation. MIC ENERGY be pleased to state: Uniform Tariff Rates foir Electricity in (a) the number of Research Re­ Southern States actors and Computers in Bhabha 3412. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAI­ Atomic Research Centre; and DU: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (b) whether there is any proposal to expand this Centre? (a) whether there are uniform tariff rates for electricity in Southern States; and THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI); (a) There are at (b) if not, whether the Government present four Research Reactors and propose to formulate uniform tariff one reactor under construction. There rates for electricity in the above are two Computers used as such and States? eight computers which are used as part of other equipments. THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) No, Sir. (b) There is no proposal under con­ sideration to expand this Centre fur­ (b) Under the Electricity (Supply) ther. Act, 1948, the State Electricity Boards Radio Stations in Andhra Pradesh are empowered to frame their own tariffs for the supply of electricity in such a manner as to meet their 3411. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: financial obligations. Differences in Will the Minister of INFORMATION tariff rates mainly arise due to varia­ AND BROADCASTING be pleased to tions in the cost of electricity which state: is dependent, among other factors, on the source of supply i.e. thermal, (a) the number of Radio Stations in hydro or nuclear, the capital cost and Andhra Pradesh State; and the cost of fuel' in respect of thermal stations. The extent of transmission (b) whether these stations are hav­ and distribution system required to ing their own buildings? carry the power to “the load centres in the various States is also a factor THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ which determines the tariff rates. TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. ADVANI): (a) All India Radio Electrifications of Villages has four stations in Andhra Pradesh. These are at Hyderabad, Vijayawada, 3413. SHRI DHARAM SINHBHAI Vishakhapatnam and Cuddapah. PATEL: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (b) At Hyderabad and Vijayawada all technical installations are housed (a) whether many villages in Guja­ in buildings owned by All India Radio. rat have not been electrified so far A t Vishakhapatnam and Cuddapah, for domestic as well as agricultural the transmitters and the receiving purposes; and centres are located in buildings owned by All India Radio, but the interim (b) if so, action proposed to be studio facilities are provided in rented taken by Central Government in this buildings. regard? 177 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 178

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Election to Cantonment Boards 3416. SHRI R. K. MHALGI: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 3417. TO STT to state: (a) how many Cantonment Boards «T^T% ^ fTOT for : are due for general elections; and (*b) when the elections of the said (37) W R f *TT cTPfhi Cantonment Boards are likely to be fkzrz wfacT TT* f3RR | ; held? THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) 10 during the remaining period of 1977. (^ ) r r anrtir fa w iraW ft (b) Elections will be held in 1977 In all these 10 Cantonments. f^STPfV ^Wt ? 183 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 184

*Wt («ft «fto TTOTO*): Ele ctronics Industries in West Bengal ( t ) s f c ( ^ ) . 1 Jr ^ 3419. SHRI SAUGATA ROY: Will *g% tft the Minister of ELECTRONICS be fHH^irtft? I I ^T*pt ^WrifarT pleased to state: * $pt5tt tft w ^ u g t *f tft »if fc i (a) how many electronic^ indus­ f3W n 1m ^T nTi*fl¥t tries have been set up in West Ben­ gal based on recommendation of the »T?Jn^pn ; manufacture of TV picture tubes is in the process of being set up by that Corporation. (^9") WT ^TrTTf? % %cTWf fft *rtft 4n+iMi^r«rr cnrrfr^srtt ^Tcrf (b) A list of Letters of Intent/In­ % f%q wnffaRT f e n wr «rr ; sftr dustrial Licences in the public and private organized sectors and appro­ vals in the small scale sector in elec­ (»r) *rfc ff, ?ft fet% jRrrcff v t ? tronics in West Bengal is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Lib­ rary. See No. LT-691/77]. *?jft (*ftHr*T yw»r w ra itft): (^p) 4n+i*M(«it 136 Incidents of Atrocities on Harijans 5<

THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ nisations and individuals had been FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): confiscated by Government during Information is being collected and emergency; will be laid on the table of the House. (b) if so, the state-wise number of Film Making in Regional Languages such cases; and 3421. SHRI SAUGATA ROY: Will (c) whether present Government the Minister of INFORMATION AND have released the property of all BROADCASTING be pleased to state: those persons and organisations? Ca) whether Government have THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ taken up any scheme to encourage FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): film making in regional languages; (a) to (c). After the imposition of and ban on certain organisations like the RSs and Jamait-e-Islami, the State (b) if so, the main features thereof? Governments had taken possession of THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION the movable and immovable property AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. of such organisations. The order bann­ ADVANI): (a) and (b). Government ing these organisations was rescinded have no specific scheme for the pur­ on 22nd March, 1977 and instructions pose. Film Production in India is in were issued to State Governments to the Private Sector. The Film Finance restore the possession of all such pro­ Corporation has been set up by Gov­ perties to the nominees of the erst­ ernment to promote and assist the film while banned organisations. industry by providing, affording or procuring finance, financial or other facilities for production of films of good standard irrespective of the lan­ 3424. 3rhre>: w t guage. Heavy Water from USA and Canada f>,TT % :

3422. SHRI SAUGATA ROY: Will (*p ) w t ttjjt Jf % the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased to state: fire? era- if ^ftir wifaer (a) whether our country will be getting heavy water for its nuclear reactors from USA and Canada; and ( ^ ) jrf? ?t, rft (b) if so, under what terms and ^TT t ? conditions? awtn THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) There is no ( ^ ) 3ft, I »PTT pTOTT fSTT S t* such proposal under consideration. fbj$r % wpfta ir spt a«rr sra; wsr (b) The question does not arise. Property of Organisations seized during Emergency qf^rt^FTT % snar t i

3423. SHRI ISHWAR CHOUDHARY: ( » ? ) m k j -v t »lr q f r - Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: lft3RT TT SR«T 1962-63 *f

(a,) whether it is a fact that movable far?T t and immovable property of R.S.S. and Jamait-e-Islami and other orga­ f=F*TT 18? Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 i.l. Written Answers 188

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(b) whether there is any proposal fiWlfatTT fft % 7FTT** *TT under Government’s consideration to affrayer reorganise the Inter-State Transport Commission to make it more effective? 3425; iftsmm qt«:WT ^ ^n% fT T ^ fa : THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI (*?) sf!H ’fPSTR % T M f TTO’ffa MORARJI DESAI): (a) The Inter- *ft*«TT *r

Coalfields Limited. On this basis 38 Setting up of News Agencies on the workers have been engaged in opera­ Lines of Samachar tion relating to pumping of water from Handidhua Colliery. Considering the 3437. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH present position there is no prospect MALIK: Will the Minister of INFOR­ of these workers being provided em­ MATION AND BROADCASTING be ployment on a long term basis till the pleased to state: mining leases is granted. (a)whether a decision has been taken to convert the ‘Samachar’ into an autonomous body; Manning Scales for the Piloting of Ships in Bombay Port (b) whether Government propose to set up more news agencies inde­ pendent of Government control on the 3436. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA; lines of the ‘Samachar’; Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state: (c) if so, what facilities Govern­ ment propose to provide to them at the (a) whether the ‘manning scales’ initial stage; and (i.e. the complements of workmen) for the piloting of ships, their moor­ (d) whether any decision has been ing and unmooring at the Bombay taken regarding the pay-scales and port were reduced during the emer­ other perquisities of the employees of gency period; such news agencies? THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION (b) whether the said reduction has AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. resulted in the death and incapacita­ ADVANI): (a) to . (d). Government tion of crane-drivers and others, and has appointed a Committee to exa­ ii so, how many; and mine the functioning of Samachar and to make recommendations regarding (c) whether Government propose its future set-up. The Government to restore the previous manning will consider the recommendations of scales? the Committee on these matters, when their report becomes available. THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) Yes, Sir. Retirement Age of Employees

(b> No, Sir. 3439. DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN­ DIT: Will the Minister of HOME AF­ FAIRS be pleased to state: (c) According to the guidelines in­ dicated by the Minister of Parliamen­ (a) whether Government have any tary Affairs and Labour on 21st May, proposal under their consideration 1977 for promoting harmonious indus­ for reducing the retirement age from trial relations in the Port, it was 58 years to 55 years in all Govern­ agreed not to implement the changes, ment and semi-Government services; which had not been implemented till and then. The changes which were im­ (b) if so, when it is likely to be plemented partially were not to be made applicable and how many per­ implemented any further. As regards sons would get jobs as a result there­ the changes already made, the Bom­ bay Port Trust and the unions were of? to hold discussions and endeavour to THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ reach mutually satisfactory settle­ FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (a) ment.- These guidelines have been No, Sir. implemented by the Bombay Port Trust.- — - ---- (b) Does not arise. 199 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 20o

(b) number of pending applications for Letters of Intent State-wise and 3440. f t v r : tot for how long; and whether old appli® cations were superseded due to ilta WIIW 'TSt ^ «r ww m t):(sp) sftr («) ^xRT^qft (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) A Statement is attached. % ^'TTT *;-& % ^ft TOT *nv<«5 -o (b) Nil. All applications arc dis­ ^ ^ IVPfi^ ^TT ih«1 posed of on merits and no favouritism ^>n | 1 d*uf4, r«+alq ^fhrrert is shown. ^rt *{fdf<*M ^PTT %?S' (c> This depends on the merit and *t*l S W R ^ I economics of the down-stream based industries; generally a capacity utilisa­ Verdict of Press Council in B. G. tion of above 85 per cent of the ii>* Verghese case stalled capacity is considered good in 3441. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: the power-intensive Calcium Carbide Will the Minister of INFORMATION Industry; at present, both the mer­ AND BROADCASTING be pleased to chant and down-stream captive units state: in the country are operating at 81 per cent—49 per cent of their installed (a) whether a representation has capacities. been made to Government that the verdict of the Press Council in the Statement B. G. Verghese case be made public; State-wise break-up of number of “ new cal- . and ciutn carbide units'* granted letters of intent (b) if so, the decision of Government during 1975-77 (Upto June ’ 77). thereto? State N o . THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. ADVANI); (a) ana (b). Yes, Sir. A Andhra Pradesh 1 communication to this effect has been Bihar .... received by the Government. How­ 2 ever, yet, another representation has Haryana 1 been received contending that it will i not be appropriate to make the ver­ Karnataka dict public. The matter is being Kerala • examined. Madhya Pradesh ■\ l etters of Intent for setting up of Calciums Carbide Industries Meghalaya i 3442. SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: Rajasthan Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Uttar Pradesh 2 pleased to state: West Bengal (a) number of Letters of " Intent issued for setting up Calcium Carbide T q t a l 16 industries since, 1975, State-wise; 201 Written Answers ASADHA 22,' 1699 (SAKA) Written Answers 202

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Expenditure on Security of former to the apportionment between the Prime Minister and her S<>n State Governments and the political party concerned of the cost of security 3444. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: arrangements on the election meetings Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS addressed by the Prime Minister. be pleased to state: (a) cost of security whilst at Delhi Recitation of Holy Quran in A.I.R. and while on tour of the ersfwbile Programmes Prime Minister, Shrimati Indira Gandhi and her son. San jay Gandhi 3445. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: (to be shown separately) of the last Will the Minister of INFORMATION three years; AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: (b) whether the present Govern­ ment propose to change the improper (a) whether any representation has amendment that she had incorporated been made to him to include recita­ in the blue book on Prime Minister’s tion of the Holy Quran in the A.I.R. tour and travel in November, 1969; programmes; and and (b) if so, the decision of the Govern­ (c) if so, details thereof? ment thereon and whether recitations from the holy scriptures of other THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ communities will also be so included? FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (a) A Statement is laid on the Table THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION of the House. [Placed in Library. AND BROADCASTING (SHRI L. K. See No. LT-692/77]. ADVANI); (a)» Requests for inclusion

(b) Excerpts from religious and in May, 1977 he made enquiries with scriptural texts including the Holy relatives, friends and police but upto« Quran are broadcast on various occa­ this date he could not trace out the; sions or when justified by the context family members; and of a particular programme. (b) whether Alf India Railwaymefi’s Federation have submitted a memo­ Projects Undertaken by CUL in Col­ randum to him regarding Ram Singh? laboration with Foreign Countries

3446. SHRI R. L, P. VERMA: Will THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ the Minister of ENERGY be pleased FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (a> to state: and (b). A memorandum from the All (a) the number of projects under­ India Railwaymen's Federation enclos­ taken by Coal India Limited in ing an application from Sri R'am Singh, Collaboration with the help or in has been received on the subject. The collaboration with foreign countries Government of Uttar Pradesh have (names of projects and associated been requested to render necessary foreign countries may please be given); assistance to him in locating the where-about of his family. (b) the cost of each project with the amount, the help or collaboration is costing separately in machineries OTfaf fiWFT ft vV and other services in short and long run; / (c) time of their commencement 34 48. : and likely dates of their completion; and ^ i SnTR®l *TfT fjqrr ^ : (d) whether our own mining eng­ ineers are not competent enough to undertake these projects without this (w ) SPftcT cTOT 5TTOT, f^TFT ^ type of foreign help? ^TFFTT

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3449. *ft ftlW K H I'l : Price of Electric Motors w t ^pm fftr swi<*i j t | ^ « m

f ^ T T : 3450. SHRI P. RAJAGOFAE.

(^) fc^r *mt?r 5ptt to t NAIDU: Will the Minister of INDUS­ TRY be pleased to state: t a w vt -H« Fh^ i % fasPrffta*T®T TT

fi»4iW d 5T*TT 5W?TT 7T W T JPTT* (a) whether the manufacturers o f Electric Motors of Bombay, Calcutta T?T and Bangalore, combined together and raised on the price of Electric Motors ( s ’) *pfar fr*rr •iic'Ti f^ronr % by about 25 per cent in some sizes; f2TO +HiH>i

^nfRr 5T«TT *114+ fW w l 5 T O (+H-H t r w fv*x ^rnr THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a)> t? to (c). According to information, available, the manufacturers are re­ gvn «ftr swiw *wft («ft ported to hav« increased their prices ranging from 4 per cent to 18 per cent, $ W T ^ ) : ( t ) % depending upon the range, type and % *£T*> W T^di % brand. The increased prices are, how- *TpTF^ ? ^ f f*{f*i^ ever, lower than those prevailing dur^ ing the period August 1974 to Septem­ men ^ i ^ n i % w f ber 1975 after wfaich there had been a if fasim r § t jrarfq sharp fall in prices. The index num­ ber 1975 after which there had been a 5 5 T a T i f t R'I'I’T motors of various specifications which ^ 1 ^ * t t P t r^«r>*-jTi^> ^1 % was 185.2 in August, 1974 was reduc­

w n r r t t * f t w h i t « f t r ed to 136.9 In April, 1970, rose to 151.2 in December, 197 6 and stood at fo 'fflW *T ^ ft> <■ M- These variations in market prices are. »pt fvim w sftr t * not attributatfle to the variations to r+qni !HTTW T5T % I the Input costs but to changes in the- • ^ 1 311 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers

^demand and supply of various types Planning Commission for the provi­ o f motors. sion of funds. Electric motors which have widely varying specifications are not under Meeting o f Ministers for F.E.ILA. price control. However, as in the case Applications of Coca Cola of essential items, Government have conveyed to the industry the need to 3452. SHRI DHARAMSINHBHAI hold the price line. PATEL: SHRI R. L. P. VERMA: * Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Road Bridge over Brahmaputra River pleased’ to state: at Tezpur-Silghat (a) whether there was a meeting of Ministers on 22nd July, 1976 to dis­ 3451. SHRI PURNA SINHA: Will cuss the FERA application of Coca the Minister of SHIPPING AND Cola Export Corporation; TRANSPORT be pleased to state: (b) what was the outcome; and (a) whether the surveys and type plans of a 2-kilometre Road Bridge (c) what stejjs have taken place over the Brahmaputra river at Tez- since then? pur-Silghat point have been complet­ THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY ed Tinder the North Eastern Council; (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) whether the North Eastern Council has submitted a proposal to (b) The deliberations of the Cabi­ the Government of India to provide net, or any sub-committee of the funds necessary for construction of Cabinet, are secret and cannot be this bridge in view of public demands revealed. for several years at a stretch; and (c) The Reserve Bank of India has (c) if so, whether the clearance of issued orders on June 15, 1977 under the Planning Commission with provi­ Section 29 of the Foreign Exchange sion of funds will soon be made so Regulation Act granting permission that the Bridge can be completed to the Coca Cola Export Corporation ^during the current Plan period through to carry on its existing manufacturing the agency of the Central Government? activities in India subject, inter alia, to the condition that the Indian THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI branch of the Company shall be con­ MORARJI DESAI): (a) No, Sir. verted into an Indian company with a non-resident interest of the equity (b) The matter has been under the capital not exceeding 40 per cent consideration of the Council and a within a period of one year. The suggestion has been received recently application under Section 28 of FERA, from the secretary of the Council to relating to approval of the trade meet the finance required for the marks is still under consideration of bridge. the Reserve Bank. (c) Since the proposed bridge falls on a State road, the question of its construction, financing etc. falls under 9 wrr fnHfti State sphere of activities. The North Eastern Council Secretariat have, 3453. 5 ^ f r o * : WT TWT therefore, been advised that after f^TT f% ! detailed investigations have been com­ pleted, the matter may be placed by (op) faqW wrctt. *he State Government before the 313 'Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 214

ft ^ftTT ft Representation from the Valuers of the Bombay Port Trust T iff 3TTT fiRR 7TTT % t^T STTfc 3454. SHRI PUNDALIK HARI «h i£ t :5n€ f ; *ftr DAN WE: Will the Minister of SHIP­ PING AND TRANSPORT be pleased (m ) w t t«r snrfe *r to state: viig^gi^ ir sptr | sf\r (a) whether Government have re­ TOT TOT *HM4 SFT 3 f® ceived a written representation in the month of May or June, 1977 from the % f^nrW valuers of the Bombay Port Trust re­ S^TT fe n TOT t ? garding revision of pay-scale by se­ cond Wage Board; and t w t *hft («ft snnfhR rw) : (b) if so, action taken or propose (m) 'fozft, *f to be taken in respect of the same re­ presentation? TH *TTO fkcrftrferT 'TT^ SRJTT % wH rfr^T s m r % <115^ THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) Yes, Sir. 5TRT %•— (b) Discussions with the represen­ tatives of the Federations concerned 1. #3r srnr «r»r?*T on recommendations of the Wage Revision Committee are being held. 2. #3T Wr«T f ^ r % HT*T ^ T T - Disruption of Production in Singareni *rcC Coal Mines 3. STPT sW ft it 3455. SHRIMATI PARVATHI 4. #5T ^ ft €t ft $0 ipr© KRISHNAN; Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: ft ft* (a) whether Government are aware 5. 5?*r %nf «r^ fistHfora that production in Singareni Coal Mines is completely disrupted since 6. ipt ft o ft ft £t 16th June, 1977; ft ft ft t fr r o (b) whether it is a fact that daily loss is of about Rs. 3 lakhs; 7. ^ ft ft ft ft (c) whether it is fact that efforts ft ft ft rrv*ft tffr made by A.I.T.U.C. General Council Member, Shri Dwarika Singh, did not 8. ZTJ&ft t^r *ft tft %fvm succeed as the management refused to discuss the problem; (?j). otmh fffzfv fi ft ft (d) if so, the full details; and vi le g i s t w r t ft i?t #^r (e) steps being taken to meet the ^rrq ^ | 1 ftfo* ft^r sttt demands of the workers? tn*r ?V ft *re fw ! *n? ft 5R»TT % THE MINISTER OF ENERGY t i f f ^ ftp ft *nwT % 3T*T (SHRI P. RAMACHANDRAN): (a) ft^n ^ffV PtRrt sfftfa % *n*nr There was no disruption of production in Singareni Collieries since June 16th ft 5ft

in this coalfield from 16th to 27th of political pension to freedom Jiine, 1977. fighters; and f rrv- The estimated net loss during the (b) whether the* Government will nine effective^ working days of the strike was about Rs. 1 lakh per day. explain in this context how this posi­ tion would affect the freedom fighters (c) to (eh The strike was called off on 27th June, 1977 after an agreement pension which is already granted and was reached between the management the cases which are pending decision? and the representatives of the Sam- yukhta Khadan Mazdoor Sangh THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ (AITUC). The demands of the workers would be dealt with, in FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): (a> accordance with the terms of this and (b). The Freedom Fighters* settlement. Pension Scheme is under review and no final decision has yet been taken. Publication ‘Victory of Indira* by Amrita Baaar Pltrika Group News Item “ All was ready for J.P.'s. 3456. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Cremation** Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to 3458. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: state: SHRI MRITUNJAY PRASAD (a) whether Amrita Bazar Patrika VERMA: Group had taken out a publication SHRI RAGHAVJI: titled ‘Victory of Indira'; SHRI S. KUNDU: (b)Hif so, whether the DA VP had SHRI CHANDRADEO given advertisements; and VERMA: (c) if so, of what value and whe­ ther * publication has been taken out Will the Minister of HOME AF­ at all and whether the advertisements FAIRS be pleased to state: have been given and payments made for the same? (a) whether his attention has been drawn to a news published in Hindu­ THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI stan Times', New Delhi dated the L. K* ADVANI): (a) to (c). it is not 28th June, 1977, under the caption within the knowledge of the Govern­ “All was ready for JP’s cremation” ; ment if such a publication was brought out by Amrita Bazar Patrika Group. (b) if so, the detailed facts thereof; In any case, D.A.V.P. did not give any and advertisement to it.

(c) the action taken in the matter? Pension to Freedom Fighters THE MINISTER OF a HOME AF­ 3457. SHRI, C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: WiU the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SOUGH): (aX be pleased to state: 1 Yes, Sir.

(a) whether his attention has been (b) and (c)> * The Government o f drawn to the news appeared in Times of India on 27th June, stating that the t Bihar have intimated - that since 4he Prime Minister is against the scheme health of Shri Jayaprakash Narayan 317 Written Answers ASADHA 22, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers 2*8 ^ was causing serious anxiety, the State May, 1977. The major demands in­ Government had prepared a contin­ cluded: payment J of annual bonus gency plan for meeting the situation for the year 1975-76, revision of arising out of the unfortunate even­ rates provided _ in the Incentive tuality of his death on the presump­ Scheme, grant of higher grade of tion that his cremation would take pay to all employees, grant of City place at Patna, since it was anticipa­ Compensatory Allowance, reinstate-* ted that people in 'large numbers ment of employees whose services woulil like to pay their last homage to have been terminated, restoration of Shri Jayaprakash Narayan, the con­ leave facilities and other facilities, tingency plan was prepared for order­ revision of the cost of living index, ly public participation in the funeral improvement of working conditions and ensuring the maintenance of law and payment of an interim relief of ■and order. The State Government Rs. 100 per month from 1-1-1977, have denied categorically that any plan was made for a secret cremation Discussions were held with the of Shri Jayaprakash Narayan. Unions regarding the above demands. There were conciliation meetings be­ fore the Deputy Labour Commis­ sioner. The Management offered during the conciliation negotiations, Strike in H.M.T. Kalamassery 15 days’ recoverable salary advance to be recovered/adjusted pending 3459. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: discussions and settlement of the SHRI P. K. KODIVAN: scheme of payment of annual bonus, Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be linked to productivity. This offer was pleased to state: rejected by the Unions. t (a) whether there is a strike at the Kalamassery Unit of Hindustan The workers have gone on strike since 23rd June, 1977. The situation Machine Tools; is being carefully watched. The (b) if so, the details thereof and Management are prepared to nego­ the steps taken by Government to tiate further so that a satisfactory bring normalcy; and settlement is reached. (c) the estimated loss every day?

The State Government have been requested to assist in resumption of THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY negotiations and towards the conclu­ (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a)' sion of reasonable settlement for Yes, Sir. ending the strike. (b) All the 10 Unions in the Kala­ massery Unit of HMT submitted an (c) The estimated production loss urgent Charter of Demands on 20th is Rs. 3.00 lakhs per day. 219 Written Answers JULY 13, 1977 Written Answers 220 . Inclusion of Central Ministers in the Planning Commission

3460. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: « Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased 3461. «ft HR gmr nraft: to state: w r JT5 Tt fTT *3$ (a) whether the newly constituted fa : Planning Commission includes the Central Ministers of Home and De_ ( t ) 1971 % vm r-m rfa^rH fence as Members of the Commission; q ? % m m id % faf»rer ^ f f (b) if so, reasons that prompted the if f+n (q*u

(c) whether the proposed new plan (i?) * W ^ orientation and formulation shifts the i t f e r n sqxr f%crr emphasis from a heavy industrialised pattern to a more extensive agricul­ ( it) ^TT IT fW l < tural bias and rural development; and Trf+TiM WTTO ^TT | ?

(d) if so, main indications thereof? ij5 )

THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI ^ (n ). ITT T fr t MORARJI DESAI): (a) Yes, Sir. It vftr *T*TT % *TT TS sY ^TPPft \ also includes the Finance Minister.

(b) The inclusion of the Cabinet Ministers in the Planning Commission is intended to bring about a closer 13.25 hrs. understanding between the Cabinet PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE and the Commission and thereby

assure better coordination, framing D e t a il e d D e m a n d s f o r G r a n t s ,

land implementation of the policies 1977-78 o f M i n i s t r y o f P l a n n i n g ,

and programmes of the Plan. D e p a r t m e n t o f S p a c e a n d D e p a p t -

m e n t o f A t o m i c E n e r g y . (c) and (d). The policy of Govern­ ment is t© give highest priority to THE TRIME MINISTER (SHRI agricultural and rural development MORARJI DESAI): I beg to lay on programmes. This will be fully re- the Table: — f fleeted in the Sixth Five Year Plan. To the extent possible, the Annual (1) A copy of the Detailed Demands for Grants (Hindi and Plan for the last year of the Fifth ♦si Plan will also give effect to this English versions) of the. Ministry policy. o f Planning for 1977-78. 221 Papers Laid ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Papers Laid 222:

(2) A copy of the Detailed A n n u a l R f p o r t s o f F i l m a n d T e l e ­

Demands for Grants (Hindi and v i s i o n I n s t i t u t e o f I n d i a , P o o n a a n d -

English versions) of the Depart­ F i l m F i n a n c e C o r p o r a t i o n L t d .,

ment of Space for 1977-78. B o m b a y f o r 1976-77 an d 1975-76

respectively a n d a s t a t e m e n t (3) A n copy of the Detailed Demands for Grants (Hindi and THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­ English versions) of the Depart­ TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI ment of Atomic Energy for 1977-78. L. K. ADVANI): I beg to lay on the [Placed in Library. See No. LT- Table: — 673/77.] (1) A copy of the Annual Report N otifications u n d e r A l l I n d ia (Hindi and English versions) on S e r v ic e s Ajzt, 1951 the activities of the Film and Tele­ vision Institute of India, Poona, for THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ the year 1976-77 alongwith the FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): I Audited Accounts. beg to lay on the Table a copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi (2) (i) A copy of the Annual and English versions) under sub­ Report (Hindi and English ver­ section (2) of section 3 of the All sions) of the Film Finance Corpora­ India Services Act, 1951: — tion Limited, Bombay, for the year 1975-76 alongwith the Audited Accounts and the comments of the (1) The All India Services Comptroller and Auditor General (Leave) Second Amendment Rules, thereon, under sub-section ( 1 ) of 1977 published in Notification No. section 619A of the Companies Act,,. G.S.R. 815 in Gazette of India dated 1956. the 25th June, 1977. (ii) A statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons* (2) The All India Services for delay in laying the above docu­ (Leave) Amendment Rules, 1977 ment. published in Notification No. G.S.R. 816 in Gazette of India dated the [Placed in Library. See No. LT- 25th June, 1977. 675/77.]

D e t a il e d D e m a n d s f o r G r a n t s ,.

(3) The All India Services 1977-78 o f t h e M i n i s t r y o f S u p p l y

(Leave) Third Amendment Rules, a n d R ehabilitation . 1977 published in Notification No. G.S.R. 431(E), in Gazette of India THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND dated the 1st July, 1977. HOUSING AND SUPPLY AND [Placed in Library . See No. LT- REHABILITATION (SHRI SIKAN- 674/77.] DAR BAKHT): I beg to lay on the 323 PMB Comm. Report JULY 13, 1977 224 Table a copy of the Detailed Demands k*8* jfor Grants (Hindi and English ver- ^STATEM ENT RE, DISCONTINU- sions) of the Ministry of Supply and / ANCE OF INSTITUTION OF Rehabilitation for 1977-78. CIVILIAN AWARDS

[Placed in Library. See No. LT-676/ 77.] THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): As soon as we assumed office, we had the question N otifications u n d e r C e n t r a l E x c i s e examined whether the institution of R u l e s , 1944. Civilian awards namely-Bharat Ratna THE MINISTER OF FINANCE and Padma Awards was in conformity AND REVENUE AND BANKING with article 18 of the Constitution. (SHRI H. M. PATEL): I beg to lay The Attorney General, who was con­ on the Table a copy each of the fol­ sulted, has clearly advised that on a lowing Notifications (Hindi and harmonious interpretation of the word English versions) issued under the “title” in clause (1) of Article 18 as Central Excise Rules, 1944: — well as clauses (2) and (3) thereof, the Bharat Ratna and Padma Awards would fall within the prohibition of ( 1 ) G.S.R. 479(E) published in grant of titles and would be in his Gazette of India dated the 6th view, “contrary not only to the letter, July, 1977, together with an ex­ but spirit of article 18(1)”. Accord­ planatory memorandum. ingly, Government have decided that the institution of awards should be dis­ (2) G.S.R. 480(E) published in continued. Those who have received Gazette of India dated the 6th July, such awards in the past are being 1977, together with an explanatory informed that they will not be allow­ memorandum. ed to use these awards as titles on A sign-boards, stationery or in any [Placed in Library. See No. LT- other manner and that if any reci­ •677/77.] pient is found using the award as title, it will be withdrawn.

MEMBERS’ BILLS AND RESOLU­ SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA TIONS (Begusarai): I want to have one S econd R eport clarification on this.

SHRI GODEY MURAHARI (Vija­ yawada): I beg to present the Second MR. SPEAKER: I am on my lees- ^Report of the Committee on Private Please do not disturb me tor two ^Members’ Bills and Resolutions. minutes. I beg of you. 225 Trib utes to ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) the Speaker 226 (Shri N. Sunjiva Reddy) 12.30 hr s. Leaders and their Deputies have in­ variably shown a willingness to see the TRIBUTES TO THE SPEAKER others* points of view and reach (SHRI N. SANJIVA REDDY) ON decision in a spirit of give and take HIS RELINQUISHING THE OFFICE in the best interest of smooth func­ OF SPEAKER tioning of the Lok Sabha. I am MR. SPEAKER: Before I formally specially beholden to them for their proceed to lay down my office as graciousne's of manner and the spirit Speaker, I thought I should per­ of understanding. sonally express my gratefulness to all Members of this august House for I am also grateful to the Hon’ble the confidence reposed in me by elect­ Deputy Speaker for th^ invaluable ing me to this high office unani­ 'help he has always extened in con­ mously in March. I am deeply ducting the proceedings of the House. beholden to each one of you for the love and affection that you have I would like also to thank the dis­ tinguished Members of the Panel of showered on me and for the courtesies Chairmen who have shared with me and cooperation extended so graci­ ously. This had made the task so the work of presiding over the House. much pleasanter and easier. I need hardly remined that the essential purpose of all democratic I recall that at the time of my institutions in developing countries election to this office, the Leaders of all Parties and Groups had voiced like ours is to ensure that there is an open forum for discussion and debate itheir feeling that the Lok Sabha •should be vigilant in regard to the and interaction between the policies maintenance of rights and freedom of put forward by the Government and the people, that national rather than the representatives of the people so that what emerges out of these dis­ sectoral interests should guide our cussions are measures which would actions, that freedom of expression should be accompanied by self- go to ameliorate the conditions of the restraint and dignified behaviour, and under-privileged and the weaker sec­ tions of the society and to sustain that the spirit rather than the letter all developmental efforts which of the Rules should prevail. would reduce poverty and give mean­ The sentiments expressed by the ing and dignity to human beings. Hon’ble Members at that time have always remained uppermost in my A thought which has always re­ mind. I have endeavoured to afford mained uppermost in my mind is the opportunities to all sections of this imperative necessity of preserving the House to express their views freely unity and integrity of this great and frankly on all issues of impor­ country, which we have achieved with tance. Members from the front, the blood and sweat and sacrifices of middle and back benches wei>e given millions of our countrymen. This a chance to make their valued con­ unity needs to be preserved and tribution and enrich the proceedings. strengthened. I acknowledge with deep grateful­ In the World today there is a grow­ ness the ready help and under­ ing desire to come closer and build standing which have been extended bridges of understanding between to me in the discharge of the onerous people. We in India are very fortu­ responsibility by the Hon’ble Leader nate that behind the apparent diversity of the House, the Hon’ble Leader of of a vast land stretching from the the Opposition, the Hon’ble Leaders mighty Himalayas to the thundering of the Parliamentary Groups, viz water of the Indian Ocean, from the CPI(M), AIDMK, CPI, other Groups, sun and sands of Saurashtra to the unattached Members $tc. etc. These snows of Kanchanchunga in Sikkim 227 Tributes to JULY 13, 1977 the Speaker 228 (Shri N. Sanjiva Reddy) [Mr. Speaker] I relinquish my office, and in relin­ lies an essential unity—a unity of quishing my office, I have a feeling soul, a unity of mind, a unity of of sadness, but J am fortified by the shared experience, a unity of rich hope that you will continue to extend heritage and culture, a unity of pur­ to me your support and affection. pose and determination to eradicate Thank you. poverty and wipe tears from the eyes of those who are deprived and under­ THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI privileged. We have to build India MORARJI DESAI): May I say, Sir, of Gandhiji’s dream where human not only on my behalf and on behalf beings do not suffer from pangs of of my Party but on behalf of the whole hunger and want and where in the House how we will miss you. You have words of a great poet “the mind is won the respect and cooperation of the wfthout fear and the head Is held whole House without any exception, high.” which is no small achievement. I would have said, we are sorry to lose I have dwelt on this at some length, your services, but I cannot say that for, I feel that, while we should have because we are not losing your servi­ freedom of debate and discussions in ces but we are getting them for a better this House, we should always keep in cause. Therefore, even though one has mind the national interest so that mixed feelings as you have, of both our thoughtsf words and actions re­ happiness and unhappiness, if one may flect the essential unity of the coun­ say so, the feeling of happiness pre­ try and enthuse in us a feeling of ponderates in view of the larger in­ belonging to one great and united terests of the country. nation. I thank you for the kind words that you have used about me and I would like to pay my tribute to also all sections of the House, the Leader of the Opposition and all other the Press whose representatives are assembled in the Galleries above me. leaders and Members, and I hope that These distinguished and learned we will have opportunities in future members of the Fourth Estate are to express our feeling of thanks and instrumental in conveying the dis­ gratefulness to you in another greater cussions from the four walls of this capacity. House to the people outside and giving them, as it were, a sense of SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN participation in the great task of (Satara): Mr. Speaker, Sir, may I asso­ ration building and governance of the ciate myself and my Party with the sentiments expressed by the Prime country. With their characteristic in­ Minister on behalf of this House? It dependence, objectivity and candour, is an occasion for mixed feelings, as the Press has been covering all issues the Prime Minister has rightly put of importance and providing the mem­ it. We are losing you, Sir, but at bers with valuable information. We the same time we are losing you acknowledge their role and contribu­ because you are seeking election to tion in sustaining the functioning of a very important and highly honoured democratic institutions. office of this country. So, though we may be missing you in one House of \ the Parliament, in that high office you I would like to acknowledge the yourself will become a part of Parlia­ contribution made by the officers and ment because you will have your own staff of the Lok Sabha Secretariat legislative authority.

The qualities of robust common- As has already been expressed by sense, good humour, good sense and the hon. Prime Minister, it is a mo­ goodwill towards each one of us here ment of sorrow as well as joy for all are qualities which will be required of us. As a Speaker, you were by you in a much greater measure handling this House very ably and in the Rashtrapati Bhavan. In the tactfully, as has already been said by months and years ahead, when our other hon. Members, though I may country is going thrbugh difficult and not share the views of the Leader of delicate situations, when body-politic the Opposition, Shri Chavan, regard­ is getting into two different opposite ing his comparison, but in all other parties emerging as a necessary re­ aspects, I think, there would not be quirement for a parliamentary demo­ two opihions in this House that you cracy—there are, of course, many have been one of the ablesf^Speakers others functioning outside the parties— this House had. 233 Trib utes to ASADKA 22, 180 9 (SAKA) the Speaker 23^ (Shri N. Sanjiva Reddy) It has already been mentioned that The prestige of the Speaker’s office without you, as the President of India, has been enhanced by your service the Parliament would not be complete. and sincerity. You have added a new All of us will always look upon you and glorious chapter to the history of for your guidance, advice and help the Speaker's office. and I am sure, the relationship that Your career as a Speaker on both has already be?n built up by your the occasions, though brief but bril­ association with all of us will continue liant, was more a turning point in the to he so even after you, as there is no parliamentary history. doubt about it, become the President of our nation. It is a matter of pride that a South Indian has been again called upon by the nation to assume the highest office. Sir, we will remember the point mentioned by you in your speech You are carrying with you our best about the national unity. Even though wishes and blessings. the place you are going to occupy is SHRI TRIDIB CHAUDHURI not the place of power, I consider this (Behrampure): Please allow me to an office of authority in the sense that associate myself with the felicitations you will be able to exert your in­ that have been voiced from all sides fluence on all the political forces in of House. this country. I wish you well and I hope not onlx the Member of this One of my advantages has been that House, but also the whole country will I have sat in this House from the be happy that you are going to be very beginning and X have no manner elected to the highest office in this of hesitation to say that your record country. as Speaker would be inscribed in the parliamentary history as one of the most brilliant of the present times. SHRi V. ARUNACHALAM (TiruneL veli): It is my proud privilege on be­ You are leaving this House to half of the All India Anna DMK to assume the highest office in the land felicitate you on this occasion of your and it is also a good augury both for leaving the office of Speaker for the Government and the Opposition assuming the highest office of this that you are being elevated to that land. office as a matter of national consensus. Your assuming the office of the Presi­ dent is in that way an expression of It is not without regret that we can national unity. adjust ourselves to your departure from our midst. You have adorned SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA this office with grace and distinction (Ponnani): Mr. Speaker, Sir, on be­ and a sense of fairness. half of the muslim League, I rise to ex- 235 'Tributes id JULY 1$, 1977 the Speaker 236

(Shri N. Sanjiva Reddy) [Shri Gr. M. Banat walla] processes of the nation while you have press our deep sense of gratitude for tuen adorning that Chair here in this the concern that you have always House. You have been now called up­ shown to every section of this House. on to the highest office of our nation with great responsibility. On you, let We all know very well that at times me remind you, rests the responsibility the office of the Speaker is the most lor preserving and protecting the unenvious one. But your humour has Constitution of our country. On you saved1 many a situation. You have been rests the responsibility of maintaining firm, you have been tactful and, at the the value and norms of democracy of same time, you have conducted the this great nation of ours. On this proceedings of this House with dignity occasion when you are being called up­ and decorum that is commendable. on to undertake that immeasureable Indeed you have maintained the dig­ burden of our nation, may 1 hope we nity and the honour of the office, may, and our nation must allow the path to I should say that you have added to be chartered by you as an occupant that. of the highest office of our country. I, We extend our heartiest congratula­ on behalf of the Forward Block, extend tions to you that very soon you will be our sense of gratitude to you on this elevated to the highest position that occasion of the assumption of the high can be held in our country and we are office. quite sure that the dignity and honour with which you have held the office SHRI A. E. T. BARROW (Nominat­ of the Speaker and even added to It, will also be carried now to the highest ed-Anglo-Indians) : Your biography post that you will, we are sure be will have no difficulty in identifying you as a distinguished psychologist. called upon to shoulder very soon. You have always gauged the mooi* of On behalf of the Muslim League I not only the House but also of th* in­ extend our heartiest felicitations and dividual member. You have acte£ as a wish you all the best. referee or an umpire in helping ua to SHRI CHITTA BASU (Barasat): play the game according to the rules of May 1 join the other members of this the game. You have added lustr^ and House to express my sentiments on radiance to all the offices that you this occasion? have held and 1 have no doubt wnen You, Sir, as the Speaker, have made you assume the highest office in ttn3 a valuable contribution in determining land you will add lustre and radiance the destiny of our nation and also in to it. May God give you strength *n assuming your new responsibilities! formulating the policies for the attain, ment of the same. You, as the Speaker, also guided MR. SPEAKER:' I may take leave and helped us in our efforts to of you all. participate in the decision-making 237 D

>12.58 bra. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER - It is possible. I am a person who is allocat. [Mr. D e p u t y -S p e a k e r in the Chair] ing time.

•DEMANDS FOR GRANTS, 1977-78— SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: Contd. You promised yesterday. I find from the Reporter’s copy, that You said, “We will cut down the time to be spent on M i n i s t r y o f H o m e A f f a i r s — Contd. the Ministry of Energy.” " I hope that MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We now Ihe time will be cut down and assign­ go on with the discussion on the grants ed to the Ministry'of I and B. of Ministry of Home Affairs. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We shall do so. If we are not able to get more SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH time for the Ministry of I and B, we (Hoshangabad): I am sorry, after shall cut down with the permission of this felicitations interlude, to raise a the House. point of order under sub rule 2 of Rule 376. SHRI M. V. KRTSHNAPPA: The time for this discussion may be extended. SHRI D. N. TIWARY (Gopalganj): What is the matter before the House? 13 hrs. N o point o f order can be raised in vacuum. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You can’t have both—discussi n on Infor­ mation and Broadcasting Ministry de_ MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What is mands as well as extension of the time (he Point of Order, Mr. Kamath? We for discussion of the demands of the are now going to the discussion on the Home Ministry. The House will have demands of the Home Ministry. to sit till 7 TD’clock today. Even so it will not be possible to extend the SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: time for Home Ministry demands. Sub Rule 2 says: SHRI M. V. KRISHNAPPA (Ctaik- “A point of order may be raised - ballapur); The Ministry can reply in relation to the business before tomorrow. the House at the moment” SHRI K. LAKKAPPA (Tumkur): He can reply tomorrow. I raised this point yesterday also. I THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ insisted, and I am sure Members on FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): both sides of the House will agree that Shall I reply today or tomorrow? I and B Ministrys demands are more important. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Today. What time will suit you? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Kamath, I informed you that accord­ SHRI CHARAN SINGH; 4-30. P.M. ing to the present schedule we will MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: All right. have a few hours left for I and B The Minister will start reply at 4-30 Ministry. p .m . and then we will take up the De­ mands of the Ministry of Energy, till SHRi HARI VISHNU KAMATH: Is 7 O’clock. it possible? Now, Mr. Paswan

* Moved with the recommendation of the Vice-President acting as President. 239 D.G. 1977-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Afin. of Home Affairs

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[*ft Tnrerr ?I7?T *PPT] 100 days, I agree, is too short a period to judge their words with their deeds. £ 1 frr rc | fa ^rnrf^ 5*ir w w t ^ tt ^if^M *rtr sn^i^r «u«ift+ Tr sfrem Let me now start with their promise ^•TT ^ I # ^ 1 1 IJ5 i f # to punish the guilty for the horrors of 'RSHTfT? I Emergency. Several commissions have been announced and appointed. We have no objection to the appointment of commissions and bringing to book ^rr ar^T 5Rr H«iii?f ^ ftr?frn irytfif«HM they serious aJX)Ut it? It does not ap­ pear to be so. So many commissions r£, %*? ?fr»ff % ^ m > sq>fi< have been appointed—one for Maruti, 5ft ?fPr m r m ft ^r irsraw t|, one for Delhi Administration, one for murdering daciot Sundar and several Tf^rr ’rraV irrat «Ft spt % ?rr^ commissions meant seriously for book­ ^Hiia VFJT fpr *PT# ing the culprits or it is only for divert­ fl’PT *l«l eft ^TTXt Hicif ^ t cltql 1 ?T^5t ing the attention of the people from the various problems that are facing sftft I SflfNr* # +^i|| for them now? It looks more like an ex­ ^R jT ^ t ^r ^tm i w ri^r i ercise for diverting the attention of the 3T*TT fTR ^t*ft ^T SFFT m z * if T O nation from the urgent economic pro­ blems of poverty, unemployment and 37T eft ^ T F TTpT^frWf ^7T ITT HTOTTs\ soaring prices and attacks on workers 5TT CIMl^l 1^1 % feRTTJ ^ 5 ^ I sfifiiCJ and peasants and atrocities, on Hari­ ^ *TPT ^ *d I ^ Pr % sfnqR ®t> I jans. So many atrocities were com­ mitted during the first 100 days in qf^ti sflT *HTT if ^FTT ^Tf^TJ I power of the Janata Party. They also need urgent attention.

?T®3ff % 1TFQ, STOTST $ ?TlH°M SrfazJT ^TcTT t *1141 JT5T iame of a commission of inquiry claimed that our country is entering or i6 it a serious step for focating the a new era. Hopes have been raised. criminals who are responsible in seve­ Promises have been made. The first ral ways for the horrors that were 257 D G- 1U77-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 358

committed during the dark days of the crimes committed by those per­ emergency? sons, the Janata Party could not occu­ py the treasury benches. What is happening today? The Shah Commission has been appointed. An­ One more Commission of Enquiry other commission is appointed by the will be very necessary. Several hon. same Government for going into cer­ Members who spoke before me refer­ tain incidents in 'Delhi. Why should red to the atrocities on Harijans. These there be two Commissions on the same incidents were raised in this House matter? My party wrote to the Home earlier also, particularly the Belchhi Minister, Shri Charan Singh, stating incident in Bihar. What is the answer that this is not necessary and that it that the hon. Home Minister gave to will only delay things. Some officers this House?.—that it was a clasn bet­ who were there during the emergency, ween two aimed gangs. Members be­ they are constituted into a commission longing to his own party went there to find out the excesses during the and contradicted it. Harijans were emergency. The first is a notorious burnt alive, aii.i he has made such a person, r have the names and other misleading statement before the House. particulars v/ith me. but I do not want Hon. Home Minister is a man of inte­ to drag th'» npmes of individuals in grity, he should find out the trouth. He .this House. One is Shri R. C. Jain, should not deponed upon the officers whose name was involved for what is because the officers have not changed. k^own as VTP land grab scandal. Some The Government might have changed, VfPs joined together in the suburb of Government policy might have chang­ Delhi and took Government land®. ed, but the officers continue to be the Who'is to enquire in to these things in same, the bureaucracy and the police Delhi** One of the officers who was continue to be the same. When “X ” is himselC involved in it? This was Prime Minister, they will dance to her brought to the notice of the hon. Home tune; when “Y” is Prime Minister Minister, shri Charan Singh, in writ­ they will not hesitate to dance to a ing by my party. Yet, no reply or different tune. That is the way of even an acknowldgement has been re­ bureaucracy and the police. ceived. Then, what is the purpose of this commission of inquiry? Shri I want to know why a separate Com­ Charan Singh js a man of strong will, mission of Enquiry should not be ap­ who is known for his single-minded pointed to go into these incidents of attention. He is not known for weak­ torture and ftrocities against Harjans ness or wobbling or vacillation. Under during the last three months. This is his administration, how can things very important. This is not new, I happen like this? agree, ihis has been there for centuries A Commission was appointed in possibly, but should this particular Tamil Nadu in February, 1976. It is section of people be subjected to such still going on. People are being enter­ humiliation and torture? For what? tained by IMening to so many things, In one village, they were tortured for that is all. Sometimes they take it as not voting for tho party for which the mere fun. Is that going to be the fate local man wanted them to vote. all these Ccmmisjions? If the Govern­ ment are serious about it, what action I appreciate the attitude of the new have they taken to prevent the supre&- Government in releasing detenus, bul sion of evidence, tampHng* with re­ in regard to Naxrlities also they rr.usl cords? If Mr Charan Singh is serious, have a very reasonable attitude. This he should have done it scrupulously. is what Mr. Charan Singh had written That is why we are suspicious about it. about the Naxalitcs: Perhaps the gentlemen sitting there “On the other hand, Naxalites, fol­ have a lurking sense of gratitude for lowing their basic ideology, have those guilty peifon*. Because, but for committed the offence of overthrow- D.G. 19 77-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs 260 [Shri M. Kalyanasundaram] ence the police was trained to supress the struggles of workers and peasants, ing the legally constituted Govern­ the weaker sections of the society. That ment by violent methods and armed is the ^raining they have got. The real struggle.” problem is tjne rural vested interests epecially the landlords, the kulaks What have they done? They have not and the money-lenders who use the challenged the army. Why -io you Police lor their own interests. In Bihar accuse them of such serious things? one leader of the agricultural labour This accusation was made by him ear­ was arrested by the police and they lier also. The torture and fillings of handed him over to the men of the Naxalites did not start during the landlords for being beaten to death. period of emeigency, but it started When such is the district administra­ before that. Some senior officials of tion, what sort of safeguard can we the West Bengal Government were expect from them? given special training to kill Naxalites. They employed peisons at the rate of The basic proLI«m is aggrarian re­ Rs. 105 per n>orth for killing Naxalites. forms. Without effective land reforms Anti-social elements were employed this problem cannot be solved. This is for this job in West Bengal. I am not a cast problem; this is more than saying this with authority. S^me a caste problem. This is a class pio* senior officials had made it a cult to blem: lhat is otr»'ession of landlord?, kill Naxalities. I learn, my friend Unless the roots of feudalism are des­ Jyoti Basu, is going to appoint a com­ troyed, the problem of agricultural mission for West Bengal. I hope he labour cannot be solved. Their rteht will take care of such officials. to work cannot be guaranteed. I 7#ant to know from the hon. Home Minister 13.47 hrs. as to what the Janata Party’s' .'oiicy is towards land reforms. TMr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair] Under the regime of the previous During tho last three months, theie Government, tenants were given pro­ have been six communal clashes—I tection against eviction by court rro- would not call them riots—in U.P. ceedings; Harijans were given lands; Madhya Pradesh, Bihar and West bonded labourers were freed. Debts Bengal. What is the protection the were redeemed. After the Lok Sabha minorities are going to get? From the elections, the l?nclcrds feel that this Ciyil Rights Commission? We have Is their Government. The landlords been assured that Civil Rights Com­ want to wreck vengeance. mission is being appointed for putting down the atrocities on the Harijans. 1 Another point is with regard to the think, for safeguarding the interests of Centre-State relations. As I come from the Harijans and other minorities, a a State like Tamil Nadu, you must serious 'iffort is required to be made permit me to say a few words on that. by Government at all levels. Will the Yesterday, when Dr. Karan Singh was hon. Home Minister issue directions speaking, ho was making it appear as both to revenue and police officials if something undesirable has happen­ saying that those officials who will be ed because different parties have come responsible for atrocities on Harijans to power in different states. He parti­ or any kind of communal riot, they cularly referred to Kashmir, Tamil will be called to explain their conduct? Nadu and West Bengal, saying that {. I am saying this because the Polico has they are regional parties with different V not changed. They are the same as Ideologies. It is not so. We have they were during the British regime entered into e different phase in our when they were used for putting down Centre-State relationship. The era ot freedom movement. After independ­ the single-portv system a single party 26l DG- 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 26*

ruling at the Centre and in all the be helped. A new mechanism must Spates all over the country is over. We be found out. At the moment, I am have now entered into an era of the not, able to suggest what new mecha­ multi-party system. We have to learn nism can be thought of. The consul­ to live with unity in diversity. I will tation and consensus must be there not be found wanting in the urge for with all the States end the State Chief preserving lhf» unity of the country in Ministers both at the political level my efforts both inside the House and and the Government level. That will outside. Ihe most important question give them an opportunity to under­ 4s: What are the cruses of friction bet­ stand the problems peculiar to each ween the Centre and the States. State and take the country forward.

Today, I saw in the press that the Lastly, I come to the point of lang­ Tamil Nadu Government is proposing uage. Language is e very sensitive to take over some of the closed sick problem for the unity of the country. textile mills. That is how they over­ We treat Hindi-speaking people as our came the agitation that was going on elder brother. The elder brother must in Coimbatore district. All the textile look to the interests of the younger mills have remained closed there. Here, brothers also. We are all like brothers the policy is, don’t take over any sick born to the same mother. We should mill; don't nationalise any mill. Here, try to preserve the unity of this »ve are told whether the workers will country. If you think that Hindi take over a sick mill. What can work­ alone can become the sole official ers do by taking over a sick mill? language, then it is not good. Please That is how the conflict comes in continue English as long as the non- Hindi speaking people want it. between the Centre and the States. The States must have more powers Jawaharlal Nehru gave that assurance. and more resources to implement their The Congress Working Committee, policies and programmes according to when Mr. Morarji Desai and others the conditions prevailing in the res­ were in the Congress, passed a resolu­ pective States. tion on the three-language formula. What happened to that? Please con­ There are four States where the tinue both English and Hindi as asso­ Janata Party is not in power. There ciate official languages. Don't impose are some States ruled by the Congress hindi on anybody. That will not be Party. Kerala is ruled by q coalition good for the unity of the country. By Government. West Bengal is ruled by that, you will be dividing the country the Marxist Party. In Kashmir and as Hindi and non-Hindi speaking peo­ Tamil Nadu non-Janata Governments ple. In this House, when I see the peo­ have been installed. Each State in ple insisting on the Members speaking rts own way comes forward in solving in Hindi, I do not approve of it. Nehru the problems end fulfilling the promis- said that this is a matter which should es given to the people. They have all not be decided by Hindi-speaking assured that they are not thinking in people alone and that it should be de­ ierms of any confrontation with the cided by the non-iHindi speaking peo­ Centre, whichever party may be in ple. I go further and say that it Power at the Centre. They are ans­ should be decided by both sitting to­ werable to the people of their State. gether by a national consensus, by an Now, six Finance Commissions have agreement, between Hindi and non- keen appointed so far. The mecha­ Hindi speaking people. It is a natio­ nism of having a Finance Commission nal problem accentuated after free­ alone has not been found suitable for dom. Let us try to put all the efforts resolving the problem of resources. of all the political parties and all Jhe resources are very important for sections of the people involved in it he States. The States should not be and reach at an agreed formula. starved of resources. The States must Till then, do not rush through an effort 263 D.G. 1977-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs 264

, [Shri M. Kalyanasundaram] f^f^t Tt WtET % ^ftBT ^ % *Pt% making Hindi everywhere compul­ ^T Hg^i^i 3TTJT I “ sory. # .3rnr5TT 5 ftrf^ «rmtr SWT9I : % ft ^ I m&m % ^q- Jr ?rr ^rnr ^ft 5fNHrr ft msrm % ?r?r 1 1 ? w % f^rr f ^ +^hi ^Tjprr iftr f%?r^ % jfr *tt- ^ stpt^t sp#nT fa w sr^nr ^tt ftp^t 1TT^<11 far wr^^W'T ? fa #5?r % ^sgfpff ^ s^T «Tr?T WT IPTFT ^!T ft* 3TT 1 1 ?pr^t *rr?rwTTr % •am t $ i ^Ifin Hi {id ^ Tf Rq?T "T f+4|| ^TPT ST^IT ^rr ?rr9^rr ^ r Tt f e r ^rnr ft> ^ wioiY if tft «Tl 3>T ^ i ?rr3r «ft f*rr SlH ?TTH fir^Kf TT*ri3K-5T^R I Tfr | ^ftT qn %?T HRT (ft ^ tl+rtl ¥t JTcft^r | i f f ¥V T f ?r»rrift ^rr > fWtvff w rr tj*% *rm *r$f ?re>{ft Tft ^ i ^ vr 4r? | i Tilifv ^ ^ r f m R % h<«tt fwTtter 11 • ?ft«TTnT «Pt *TrT I fa T O R ^?r»r *tt§ q-J?r % 't ^ r t t jt srt? 5^ STW ^ T *TFTT 3T9T spt TT^ »TT^T fl+dt 5rnr»r5^3t % *r %% ^ r ^rr srra ^ ^ T ’Tff &T ti«*>ol 35TT fa^T^ ^?rr | *rtr sttot ^ fa %?r if ?tt ^ §*rr wtr f?n fa fasr if ^fti^rwr ?rr?T ^t «rsre«rr ir^ft € tr ft*fr 1 art^r^ ff ^3?ft ^rt ^ i iim ^ r f^ 'T ^ l ^ ^ 1 ? ^t^t ^ft ^ sffr ?*r ?R5 ff^ t H froR PnjfawTf ?rnr% T fir ^t err? s ?t | ^ jt? ^ ^TT I ^ ftr ^T *lf 3% € if rft^T g-i' TtT I I tT*r?ft vnrr srH^rrt cnm? % 9fhft oq-^-^n: 3ft 3r^rrr % ^r«r fft^r ^ r f^ v% y*il ^ ^ Tft 1 1 3ft ^ % ?f ?r ^tfft ^rf"rI % ?n*r t i 5Tft ^ I % sjt^TT if TT3T *nR ST? 30 fTIH % ^TT *ft ^T ^T ?m«rcTr 1 1 3ft ^ ?fk tjt ^ft «tt^ grj 51T ipr % Hnr ^iq-qln »i^V ^T%?fTT5tTt faff^rspTcrrsfft W H W*TT +1C Wm "jH 'jfl'ldl I f>T^r TT KTT? ?t ^5 ' Jf pPTT +^ir -qi^ni ^ f*T htt^tt 5T5f 1 1 'sre^rrr ^t ?T*T^r Vt ^TK^T W flflfH clt *1^1 ^ ^frn 5^rw Jr |i w w wnror wr | ? ^ 265 f1 DG- 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 266

f% 5^RT 3Ft WP4HI sfirsff t 1 1963 ^r m rnU t m \— *FTTt «ft, # ITT 6,58,830 «ft, 1973 Jf ^ #5ZTT J W T % 3TOT V W t 9TT*M 10,77, 181 ft »lt ^fVT 1975 ®T T^FTT ^ 5*1 fa <4 'dr^l'i 5^ ^ ^ 11 *nw 75 5^nr ft »it r ^TT ^?t 1HN rli ^TPJcf ■Tft I ^ ^ T ^ t ■ |Ft»t ^pt *pt «tt Pp *r«r jfrrcr m^rrm MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The hon. Member will please resume his seat. I ^ i n l ^ «iId ^ eft Hi«fl % ^TPT want to make an announcement.. ^ ? ftr ¥ « * i« il % *i Id f3RT *t 5 ^ ^ Tt¥ 75 enrnr i % a iPt> 14.02 hrs. f^ ^ ft 5TRFT % few m r*iS)^ »T I ANNOUNCEMENT RE; RESIGNA­ ^T% I fTTST ^ T -^ ff ^TT TION OF THE OFFICE OF THE g^rr i|, £t% ^r ^ R q d ^ r w f t SPEAKER w 1 1 f f^nr t ^ gsn^ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have ^ ^ig'm— ^nnnr ^ w i f e i^r to inform the House that Dr. N. San- jiva Reddy has resigned the office of the Speaker of Lok Sabha today, the ^ *ft, ^r®h*fisjM *r ^(*1*1 % ^rt 13th July, 1977, at 1.00 p .m . f^Iftd f+^T «tt, ?rf^r ^m cT^r +Tf ^TTT +Tft9M' ^ ^TT I ^ 5far | f% DEMANDS FOR GRANTS, 1977-7&— srFtfar *i MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Mr. Om w r ^ f spt T f t H w r t 3r ^ f^ r r Prakash Tyagi may continue his JlHl I ^ 8 % ^T^-h I q £ «r>*i t srwn ?mV 'SF^hr ^fVi^ ^r ^TpftTRT ITTTfijf H^TT % WTC ir WT ^T, %f%^r TFT ^ft TfV =fY S ta fY WT^t ftw I t t JfsnTT^ 63. 5 h f e n * r t 1 ?r 5t*r fir ft r s T srfror 3%, ^ far j h hw i 25.1 *t STT^TT far qT*T ^ft?T ^ iTM sTdKM 5 ft 1 sm ff if161 $r% w ^n»«qi 5% ^ ^*n*H«i f^nrfw f t , 145 5ri%w §^r Fni% ^ 51% 3r ^rnpr-^r Eftorryrr 6 2 .5 srfdMia § f r ^ ^ tr t ^ ^ 1 J4.06 hML f f e 5 8 .7 yPd«id | f r

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|s not fair. When a commission is emergency. It was the misuse o f appointed, why should you not exer­ emergency in some areas which had cise some patience till the verdict is gone wrong. Wherever there was no given? You have come to power be­ misuse, the Congress has not come to cause of emergency. Had there not power. been emergency imposed, your party would not have been today in the The Home Minister advocated first, treasury benches. You want to make • “If we come to power, we want to cur­ • capital out of it by again and again tail the powers of the President and highlighting the misuse of the emer­ dissolve the Assembly.” It was the gency. Let us have patience. We are avowed policy of the Janata Party. not here to shield people who have Akali Party included it in their mani­ misused the emergency. Let the law festo. The first power that you used take its own course. We are not here was to dissolve these assemblies and to protect those who have misused bring President’s rule. What was the their powers. principle behind it? In Lok Sabha There were some abuses but there poll, because the Congress had been were some advantages also, which no­ routed, therefore, in Assemblies they body can ignore. Prices were brought cannot remain morally. What is that down. Inflation was checked. Can moral? I cannot approve of that .-there be any two opinion about that? moral. Then whether it is moral Now, the prices are rising. You can­ on your part to rule over the States, not control them. You are helpless. which had not accepted your party? You are only appealing and appealing What moral authority have you got to to the trading community to bring rule over those States? “Because you down the prices but you have not had no moral ground, therefore, you been successful. Prices of edible oils, thought of another method of giving rice, wheat and other essential com­ notice to the Chief Ministers of cer­ modities are going up. You are help­ tain States and appoint Commis­ lessly looking at it, because you can­ sions. Because you have no moral not control it. But during emergency ground, ‘therefore, you are raising that ‘ they were kept under check. So legal ground of appointing Commis­ sions of inquiries. there were some good uses also, such as an atomic explosion has You are talking of charges. Wha peaceful uses of atomic energy as are they against whom there are no also the destructive uses. So, there charges? Charges were against every­ were advantages of emergency body including your party members. which we cannot forget. The Go on appointing commissions against production in all the industries had them all. Rone up. There were no strikes. There were no lay offs. There was Where you could not dissolve the discipline in universities and even Assemblies, you have given notice. foreign exchange reserve had gone up You have given notice to Assam, ... 400 times. Now you can reap that Andhra, Karnataka Chief Ministers. fruit. We have left a good legacy be­ This is the way you profess democra­ hind. You can make better use of tic principles and you adopt undemo­ the foreign exchange reserve. The cratic norms. And you talk of rule advantages of emergency cannot be of law. ignored. What happened in Jammu and We won in South—in Karnataka, Kashmir? Our party was in majority. Tamilnadu and Kerala on the ques- It was democratically and constitu­ > tion of emergency. From Tamilnadu tionally elected. At the instance of y°u got only three seats, in Andhra one only one individual who had four peo­ *®®t, in Karnataka two seats and in ple in the Assembly, you dissolved Kerala nil. It was not the fault of Jammu and Kashmir Assembly. Per- 275 D.G. 1977-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. o/ Home Affairs 276

[Shri F. H. Mohsin] out the list of those people who died in Muzaffarnagar during emergency. haps, you thought Janata may come to He used to say, these are the dead power. You have been ousted. Janata persons whose bodies were taken away Party workers are being harassed in trucks and thrown into #the river. along with the Congress workers. You That is how he got the Muslim votes must be repentent. Now it is too late but he has not appointed a commis­ for you. There may be some serious sion to enquire into Muzaffarnagar in­ consequences by the plebiscite plea cidents. Shah Commission is different that has been raised by Sheikh Ab­ and they may consider so many things. dulla. You have been responsible for Here is a big incident where you your­ all this. Otherwise he was keeping self isaid that 150 people were killed quiet all this time. You appoint com­ and you read out the names. Why missions. There is commission against can’t you have a judical enqiury for Nandini Satpathi also. It has been this when you have one for Nagara- said by her that the judge is a politi­ wala, Maruti and so on? When you cian and one cannot expect any im­ appoint commissions for small mat­ partial judgment. Many of the judges ters why cannot you have an enquiry were politicians, they had political for these Muzaffarnagar incidents connections. You appointed Dr. where according to you 150 people had Nagappa Alva for enquiring about died? treatment of JP. He was President of Congress iO) i*i Karnataka. He was more a politician than a doctor. He *17^ TT fgpp 5TT was a Member of the Rajya Sabha and 1 so *rrcifr

I am also a lawyer and I want that that withdrawn? I shall again give the prestige of the judiciary must be you the facts about the reservation of preserved- But, Sir, their actions have quota in the B.S.F. and C.R.P. for proved this otherwise. The very fact the minority community. Muslim of the withdrawal of the Baroda Dy­ minority’s representation in BSF is namite case goes to show that it lacks 1 per cent whereas in the C.R'.P, it is in confidence of the judiciary. Why only 4 per cent. The Janata Party could they not wait when the case was gave a promise in their election cam­ before the court with all the facts of paign that Urdu would be given the the case which could have been prov­ status of a second language. After ed? The reasons given for the with­ the election you have forgotten that. drawal of the case were that it was in One Member wanted to take oath in public interest to withdraw the case; Urdu. But he was not allowed to do the second reason was the change in so whereas here, in Lok Sabha, the the situation because of which, the Members are allowed tho take oath case has been withdrawn. even in their mother.tongue like, Tamil, Malayalam etc. In U.P. where What is the public interest involved Urdu is an important language—the when a case is filed and when Mr. Home Minister’s State—a Member George Fernandes himself gave an in­ cannot even take his oath in Urdu. terview t0 a Foreign Press journalist Where have your professions gone? saying that there had been violent agitations against that regime. (Inter­ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Now you ruptions) If that is so, then where is should conclude. I shall call the other the need of withdrawing this case? speaker. If it were a false cflse, you could have said that. But, you said that you SHRI F. H. MOHSIN: I want a were withdrawing the case in the pub­ minute more. lic interest. What was the public in­ terest involved in that case and what MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am very was the change in the circumstances? sorry- I cannot go on like this. Is it because the Janata Party Gov­ ernment has come to power and so, SHRI F. H. MOHSIN; All right, Sir. you want to withdraw that case? A case has been filed before the court against the case. Why should you fount :(ifm^nhr) : ■withdraw it? 3Trs*rer spft % fa * sirft f r * ftWT, ?PT7 '3'T ^ Does this not prove that you have Jack of confidence in the judiciary? t-H , eft 5TTTT >jii5«ii I You say you profess faith in judiciary; ^ -Ji¥ < 1fi ftp when the case is before the court, why don’t you wait till the verdict of the case is known. Why should you with­ gsrc | 1 "tf5?r fFvsrr" ^ft draw the case? Tfjm ^fr?rr*r ff I i MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, you Wld TT T% if % fHl> will have to wind up. 1 am very sorry 3R

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*rrrr ft ^T?r sfr^ i q ff qr ^ F F ^ m *TRff 15ft 5| T T 5Tff3ft i f ^ 't5 T WVrt | , tt pVi i i srift ^r^rr it5?T?T*T?IT ETTT°T TTT'Rt f^ T M fT f? n if t£T *TTOT ftfirnr fT T t f STTTT 3ia ^ eft cTpT’T, W*i STTTTTTT I TT*T Tt fff?«TT 90 minutes are left. % f^TCT f^TT «TT^T ^ T t | I SHRIMATI RANO M. SHAIZA ?tftf?TTT f^?ft TT T«T »TOT | fT ^ (Nagaland): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, f?TT vm % if ^TTH ft I ‘ I am supporting the Demands for 387 O.G. 1977-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs 288

[Smt. Rano M. Shaiza] continue unabated. I was most happy that our hon. Home Minister, while4 Grants and while doing so, I would like our new government to take note sending Advisers to the States whose of the suggestions I am placing before Assemblies were dissolved, directed this august House. them to undo the injustices and exces­ ses committed during the previous regime. This principle must be ex­ A new party and a new government tended to all the States in the North have come to power and to stay to East, where there is so much of injus­ carry out the task for which the peo­ tice and corruption in high places. I ple of our country have given a mas­ cannot think of our Janata stepping sive mandate. Merely stepping into into such dirty shoes and continue to the old shoes of the old previous re­ wear those old shoes even for a day. gime is not going to satisfy the as­ pirations of the people who want a positive change, a change that could The old regime perhaps was preoc­ cater to the needs of modern India cupied with the problems of their and that change must come swiftly personal interest and security, that with new purpose, imagination and t h e y failed to take advantage of the direction. The old shoes of the old changed situation in the mental atti­ regime have become outmoded and tude of the people of the North East. out-dated. The old regime had stray­ Those of us who belong to different ed away from Gandhian path and racial .groups have always desired to Gandhian philosophy. Anything, be grouped together just as Maharash­ even, the best, done too late and un­ tra and Gujarat were created on timely will lose its charm and beauty. linguistic considerations. Affinity in our culture a n d way of life naturallj indicates that such a grouping can The police force of our country must help us to develop into a politically be re-organized and re-orientated, to and economically viable State. This suit the needs of the present-day re­ is quite consistent with our traditions quirements. We should look for and the Constitution of this country. quality, rather than quantity. In the past, it had been a force of terrorism, rather than a. custodian of law to en­ If our government has to find a sure freedom and protection of solution to all sensitive issues of the citizens. In Nagaland, for instance, North East region, we have to think the police force was organized and and act above partisan spirit* The trained to counteract insurgency. In philosophy of this country, “Unity in the present changed context, that diversity” , provides an immense possi­ training is unsuitable to meet poli­ bility for finding solutions to *he tical agitations and demonstrations various problems of the North East of the nature that require an entirely in particular, and to the whole coun­ different outlook. Therefore, in short, try in general. In Nagaland, there I am asking for a re-orientation train­ is maladjustment between the life“ ing to suit the background of a parti­ style and the system that we practic^ cular State, and also for bringing in at present. Inevitably, therefore, the same reorientation for trainees for there is conflict of some kind or all the States in India. other.

During the Emergency, transfers Under the provisions of the Shillong and postings of officers were done with Accord, there is ample scope tor re­ political motives behind them. Be­ adjustments. The parties to ^ cause the State of Nagaland is under Accord are committed to honour tfc® President's, rule, nothing has been done terms. Once the process of so far to change them, and therefore mentation begins, I have no doubt tha favouritism, nepotism and corruption it could lead to an answer for whic 389 D G. 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 290 all of us have all along been praying subtle ways. Without any loss of and wishing, so that a happy outcome timev let us start tackling the simple can be realized. There are 3 clauses, things so thaf the bigger issues can be of which some are yet to be taken up. taken up later. As a party to that Accord and as people determined to pursue a peace­ Coming to the border disputes in the ful course, let us do all we can to north-east regionf 1 would suggest that honour our commitments for imple. no border issue, be it demarcation or mentation of what is yet to be taken other matters, be taken up without up. involving the people who are affected by it. So far as Nagaland is concern­ To sum up, I would say that the ed, to the east we have Burma, to the whole of the North Eastern States north we have Arunachal, to the desire that the police force be re­ so«th we have Manipur and to the organized. In North East there is west we have Assam. All these only one training centre in Dergaon. border areas are inhabited by no other In that centre the officers responsible than Nagas of various tribes, Jn the for training the police force are retired past there were many instances where personnel. The training given there demarcation was done without taking does not meet with the demands and the local people into confidence. As a requirements of the present force. result of that, some of the Naga That should be re-organised and given villages are both in Burma and in the best training available in the Nagaland. Not only that, half of the country so that we can be proud of house of the village chief in one that police force. village is in Burma and the other half is remaining in Nagaland, which is in 15 hrs. India. Such things can be avoided if In Nagaland there are five police we trust the local people and take battalions. The fourth battalion them into confidence. requires more funds to complete the building projects already taken up. In Meghalaya disputes about Goal- The fifth battalion is yet to take up para. Kamrup and Mikir districts its building project. There we have with Assam are yet to be taken up. no building sheds worth the name. While taking up all these issues, it would be profitable if we go to these I would also like to mention some­ people and find out a proper solution. thing about Manipur. The police I thank you for giving me this op­ force there has become such a force that one is ashamed to mention about portunity. it. The higher echelon of officers do SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA MUR- not behave well. They expect the THY (Amalapuram): Mr. Chairman, junior officers to attend to all the Sir, I rise to offer some observations work. They expect the junior I made about the functioning of the officers to meet the expenses not Home Ministry in India. only for cigarattes and other things for the visitors but also for the It is clear from tKe successive Bud­ household expenses of their families. gets of our country that there is a They expect the constables to do the tremendous increase in the cadre of manual job for them at their houses. the police force and the consequent They keep a few constables at home expenditure on it. The police cad­ for this purpose of doing odd jobs. res like the CRP, BSF, Indo-Tibetan As a result of such practices, the Police, Assam Rifles, Central Indus­ morale in the police units is very very trial Security Forces, etc., have been low. Discipline has degenerated into created by this House and consequent­ servility. Those who do not conform ly the expenditure also increased. are transferred or harassed in so many In the 1950-51 Budget the expenditure 1351 T«5 11 291 D.G. 1977-78 o/ JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs

[Shri Kusuma Krishna Murthy] number of Harijans who had been killed brutally in the country after of the Home Ministry on the police independence but I was not was Rs. 0.5 crores, but now it has successful in getting these statistics. risen to Rs. 3.5 crores, i.e., seven times I could got some statistics only more than what it was in 1950-51. up to 1969. It is quite interesting No doubt, a lot of modernisation to know that the home State of has been gradually introduced in the our Home Minister i.e. U.P. tops training methods of the police, but the list in this regard. In that we do not find that much of change State, 322 persons had been murdered until 1969. There is the recent exa­ in the living conditions of the police. mple of the incident of Belchi in So far, only 15 per cent of the police have been provided with housing faci­ Patna district happened on 27-5-77, lities. The rest of them live in unheal­ which is still green in our memory, hr which one Harijan was shot dead t h y slums which makes t h e m quite and 13 Harijans with them hand and unfit to work. They live consequent­ feet tied were thrown into the burning ly in scattered places, so that they fire. But the offenders always success­ cannot be summoned at the hour of fully escape punishment because of the need. Their salaries are the the callous attitude of the police, their lowest in relation to the duty complaints are often received in a they are called upon to discharge— half-hearted manner and investiga­ probably made them h i g h l y corrupt. tions are made either with preconcei­ Since the Janata Government is ved notions or with carelessness. It is committed to give the country a a curious fact that the enforcement clean government, it is of imperative officers go scot-free because they en­ necessity to this Government that joy the immunity from the provisions they should attend to these urgent of the Cr. P. C. and other provisions. problems of their housing etc. And It is our distressing experience that more particularly their pay-scales the superior police officers who are must be realistic and need to enable supposed to check up their lower staff them to be really effective and ser­ are found to be absolutely caste- vice-minded. biassed whenever a scheduled caste problem crops up. Therefore, I re­ Coming to the performance of the quest the hon. Minister to give.special police, it is quite distressing to note preference to the suffering class to re­ that the incidence of crimes is ever present in services of all the cadres increasing in India when compared to of the police, particularly in view of some of the Western countries. The their basic need of security. police quite often adopt uncivi­ lised and inhuman methods to torture In the case of recruitment, the re­ in the guise of third degree methods, commendations of the Kaleklar Com­ They very often lose their sense of mission, that is, 33 per cent reserva­ responsibility in controlling brutal at­ tion of posts fbr SCs and 25 per cent rocities committed against two ino- for STs, may be implemented because cent children, women, the old and the the Janata Party in its mainfesto has helpless and the weak in our society. stated clearly that they are going to give the top priority in implementing In this regard, the plight of the the recommendations of this Com­ scheduled castes and scheduled tribes mission. in particular is really miserable be­ cause we often hear of the inhuman The other important function of the acts of rape, murder, looting, beating Home Minister is the one that deals setting Are to their houses and burn­ with the Executive. The Executive is ing them by tying their arms and legs manned mainly by the higher civil and throwing them into the burning services delivered by the autonomous fire. I made an attempt to know the body viz., the U.P.S.C. of the country. 393 D G- 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 294

The AU-India Sercices Act, of 1951 like ours, this kind of adjustment which was amended in 1963 provides needs to be necessarily provided with for all-India services in the field of even if it causes a little administra­ medicine and health and engineering. tive difficulty, in order to avoid the But some States are not in favour of sense of domination in the field of creating these services. I urge upon higher civil services in our country. the hon. Home Minister to see that these services are created immediately for the benefit of these who study Regarding the performance of the these subjects. executive, they very often play the game of hide and seek* under the elu­ Now, I come to an important aspect sive clauses of ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’ in re­ of this issue namely the glaring region­ gard to appointment of SC & ST al imbalance in the representation of either to a direct post or any kind higher civil services in our country. of appointment. The question of We know that there are of all-India “Suitability” plays a dominating role in nature, but why should there be particularly in regard to the selection such a glaring difference in getting of SC & ST candidates. It is late three or four services to most of ihe Shri Damodaran Sanjivayya who aptly States and 60 to 70 services to some questioned the question of suitability. States in every selection of these All- He was brutally frank in making India Services for the last one decade his point clear by saying that from or so? whose point of view this suitability is decided? Certainly from the point 15.17 hrs. of view of those who are basically caste-biased. Let an SC Membery of IS h r i S o n u S in g h P a t i l in the Chair] the selection Commission, if at all there is,—generally there would n o t Apart from this, in the qualifying be a SC member—decide the suitability examination for All India Services, of an SC candidate. I would like to give there are almost very good number of an instance to substantiate this point intelligent students who are getting that how much destructive role the through the examination from the clause of suitability played during the South with very good percentage ii last 30 years in the recriutment of SC the written test, but in the viva voce & ST to All India Services. As on 1-7-76 conducted by the UPSC, they are the total number of I. A. S. officers in dropped out and most of them are India was 3235 out of which the re­ missing the selection very narrowly. presentation of SC was only 277 in­ Therefore, I request the Minister stead of at least 450 as per the reserved earnesly to look immediately into quota provided in the Constitution. In these urgent tasks, namely (1). The regard to STs the representation was selection commission of the UPSC must only 132 instead of at last 200 as per be reconstituted giving equal represen­ the minimum reserved quota. R e g a r d in g tation to the South. (2) The basis, if I.P.S. officers, in the same year, the to­ there is any, to constitute this Com­ tal member of I. P. S. in India was mission should be changed in view of 1761 out of which the representation the increasing regional imbalance in the of the SCs was only 147 instead of representation of higher civil slrvices at least 247 and STs were only 54 in the country. The commission i.e., instead of at least 104 as per the mini­ the UPSC meant to select the cadidates mum} reserved quota provided in the for all India services, should hold its Constitution. interview sittings in Bangalore, Hy­ derabad and Madras for the entire Besides this, I would Uke to give South and Bombay, Delhi and Calcutta another example of a can3idate with for the entire north regularly in alter­ frustrating experience in the prime nate years. For the smooth function­ of his Youth with the UPSC. This ing of a federal set up in a country 295 D.G. 1977-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs 295

[Shri Kusuma Krishna Murthy] needs to be looked at from all an­ gles. The spirit of the ‘‘Poona Pact” candidate passed the examination for imbibed in our Constitution and stout­ some o f the services conducted by the ly supported by Mahatma Gandhi UPSC for All India Services in 19G4 found in th*> form of safegaurds for but the candidate was not selected by the weaker sections has not been pro*- the UPSC. The same candidate pas­ perly understood and realised by its sed the same examination again in significance by the implementing class 1965 but again he was not selected and more particularly the Indian by the UPSC. Again, the candidate Judiciary 90 far. It is the Judiciary passed the same examination in 1966 which is supposed to understand and and again he was not selected by the realise the spirit of The Constitution UPSC. The same candidate passed the in relation to the safegaurds given to same examination again in 1968, he these weaker sections. I can give passed but again, he was not selected some instances out of many I know by the UPSC, again the same candi­ which will make the House under­ date passed the same examination in stand very clearly the mind and at­ 1969, but again he was not selected by titude of the Judiciary. For example, the UPSC. The Hon. House may be the High Court of Orissa in 1973 surprised to know that, the candidate struck down the concession allowed is no other than myself. by the Comptroller General of India in favour of SC and ST candidates to the exent of 3 per cent in aggre­ If we go a little further, regarding gate and 2 per cent in each part of promotions, we will find that over-de­ the S. A. S. examination on the pendence on confidential reports and ground that ‘'the standard of efficiency special assessment reports is comple­ affects” . tely erroneous as long as the caste system exists in this country. Innu­ merable complaints received by In another judgment given by the the Commissioner for S. C. & S. T. A. P. High Court in 1973 it has been by the Government and by the volun­ held that “so long as seats are reserved tary organisations about the atrocities fixing up the lower percentage does committed on the Scheduled Castes not in any way affect the interests and Scheduled Tribes by the execu­ of the candidates who do not belong tive, would speak volulmes. There is to SC and ST.” A very important not a single employee belonging to case is that of Arti flay Vs. the Union Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tri­ of India in which it has been clearly bes in tfiis country who is not been held that “ the reservation is so ex­ humiliated and who is not harassed cessive as to create in Government and who is not ill-treated. But there is employment a monopoly in favour of not a single employee balonging to backward classes.” If we see the rity against whom these complaints judgement given by the Chief Justice have been made has been punished so Shri Koka Subba Rao in the case of far in India. The bureaucracy with all Devdasan Vs. the State of Mysore, this attitude has want only neglected it has been very clearly observed in the economic interests of the weaker his dissenting judgment that “the re­ sections for three decades in this servations can be maHe on the basis Country- As such, the economic de­ of the total strength of the cadre, mocracy in India has remained a instead of 'only on the maintenance nightmare so far. vacancies.” This clearly establishes the factual need for “proportional re­ presentation on the basis of the total Another important function of the strength of the establishment”, at all Home Ministry is one that deals with levels. These self contraductory and the welfare of Scheduled Castes and divergent judgments of the Judiciary Scheduled Tribes. This problem would clearly speak about the mind 297 D G■ J077-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Min. a/ Home Ajffairs 298

moreA particularly the attitude of judi­ As per the report of the Com­ ciary in India. missioner for SC & ST, it is very clear that representation of SC & ST The First Constitutional Amend­ in higher civil services is negligible even after 30 years. Not even a margi­ ment Act of 1951 adding clause '4* to article ‘16' passed by the Parliament nal increase is found in their represen­ in order to ensure what is guaranteed tation. But in class IV posts there is growth and particularly in the me­ in article ‘46’ is made enforceable through a court of ^law. This amend­ nial services and more so in the ment provided for discrimination in sweepers and seavangers there is favour of backward classes. Thus, the complete monopoly of the SC & ST, because nobody would like to go judiciary has failed to realise the pur­ to that kind of services. Thus the pose of thees safeguards and also reservations have not been imple­ failed to interpret the word “represen­ ted appearing in article 16(4) of our mented properly so far. institution. The meaning is, sharing, “earning”, "serving*' and getting a chance to move forward hand in hand. At this rate it wi^l take 200 years For all these 3q years, the judiciary for SC & ST to come at least to with its social prejudice has wrecked their prescribed limit of the reserved the Constitutional safeguards meant quota in Services. Thus it is very lor these classes, who were required clear to this August House that the ‘human dignity* and ‘civil rights' seve­ police, the executive and the Judiciary ral centuries in this country. These put together did not allow, all these 30 safeguards have not been properly years after independence the SC and implemented at any time, anywhere ST to get their legitimate share of in this country so far. the benefit in the national life in India.

So long as all these things go on like Regarding the Commissioner for this and unless there is a proper re­ Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tri­ presentation for the Scheduled Castes bes, as it is provided under Article and Scheduled Tribes lawyers in the 338 of the Constitution. In 1967, after class .of judges, we will not be able abolishing the zonal office of the De­ to get a#ny kind of justice. As on to­ puty Commissioners for SC & ST, day, in the entire country, of all the this office of the Commissioner for SC 18 High Courts of our 22 States, con­ and ST has become an ivory tower and sisting of 351 judges including 64 consequently has became ineffective. vacancies and excluding 13 judges of Therefore, I would request the Home the Supreme Court, there is not a Minister *0 s??e that the zonal and sub- single representation from Scheduled zonal offices for this office of this Com* Tribes except the microscopic mino­ missioner for'SC & ST must be pro­ rity of three judges from the Sche­ vided to make this office really effec­ duled Castes. This is a glaring situa­ tive and also the report of the tion existing at all times in this coun­ Commissioner is to be made compul­ try. Even if there is a deserving man sory to discuss in this House annually from SC & ST in Ihdia, he will not and t h i r d l y an officer with a sense of he allowed to become the Prime dedication must be posted to this Minister. This is the position in India office. with all its prejudicial set up. If we So further in regard to this matter of » services of SC & ST, it would be very Recently, there is a proposal to clear how far the reservations are so amalgamate this office of the Com­ execessive as to create a monopoly in missioner for SC & ST with the pro- favour of these classes. i D.G. 1977-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs 30a [Shri Kusuma Krishna Murthy] not more difficult than to get an op­ portunity to speak in^this House. posed Civil Rights Commission. This is' a clever device of the Janata Party to show to the world that there are The Congress Party had an oppor­ no SC & ST in India and consequent­ tunity for \he last 25 years to make ly there are no SC & ST problems India a united and prosperous nation, here. But this does not mean that but what the Congress Party has these SC & ST want to remain for done? ever as SC & ST. The Home Minister has huge powers. What exactly the need is the better­ 30 States of Europe put together con­ ment, the human dignity through stitute India. Therefore, the huge proper representation in the main powers with the former Home Minis­ stream of national life for SC & ST ters had been used properly or had in this country. The safeguards pro­ been misused is a question to be con­ vided in the Constitution have been sidered. When the emergncy was violated time and again. Consequent­ proclaimed, this Indian nation was ly, these classes could not come up completely crippled. There is some as expected by the founding fathers of misunderstanding with regard to the the Constitution. In this connection, emergency. In our Constitution, there I am reminded about the history of is no provision for breakdown of negotiations in which they want to the Constitution. The Constitution prevent the participation of Ireland. makers envisaged that there must be In that connection, Redmand said to always a peaceful constitutional Gov­ Carson, “ask for any safeguards you ernment, but the Congress Party like for the Protestant minority, but used emergency as a sort 0f consti­ let us have a “united Ireland.” But tutional break-down. Carson thundered with his reply that “ damn your safeguards, we do not want to be ruled by you.” And with regard to emergency, even the Janata Party appears to be in some misunderstanding. It speaks Thank God no leader from the mino. about the excesses of emergency rity section in India has taken this whereas emergency itself is an ex­ stand so far. The minorities have css. There is nothing like excess of loyally compromised with the majo­ emergency. When hon. friends on this rity to have some “ safeguards” , but side asked the Congress Party about the majority which is a “communal it, they said that the emergency was a majority” have never attempted to blunder; they accept it. When they ac­ implement these “safeguards” proper­ cept it, I must thank them for this. ly so far. Sooner the majority realis­ I say that the 42nd Constitution (Am­ es its committed responsibility towards endment) Act must be annulled. the minority, better it is tor the ma­ They cannot oppose it because what­ jority, better it is for the continuance of their independence, better it is for ever has been embodied in Emer­ gency has also been put into the the very structure of our democracy. Let us carry out the unfinished task Forty-Second Constitution Amend­ ment Act. The Congress Members of restoring human dignity to SC & ST / cannot blow hot and cold; they can­ with all humility and nobility. not say that declaration of the Emer­ gency was a blunder and at the same SHRI B. C. KAMBLE (Bombay time say that they would oppose the South-Central): Mr. Chairman, Sir, annulment of the Forty-Second Con­ I am grateful to you for the oppor­ stitution Amendment Act. Therefore* tunity that Is given to me, be­ my submission to them would be that cause I may say that to get elected is they should see that the Forty-Second 301 D.G. 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 ( SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 302

Constitution Amendment Act is an­ ed by an arrow. You can compare nulled. these murders that have taken piece in independent India with the kill­ Mr. Chairman, did the Congress ing of Shambuka. I submit that Indi& Party use all these huge powers for is being taken back to the pre- the welfare of the Indian people as Shambuka barberic age. If India is a whole? I submit, they did not. So to be a civilized nation, then every far as the welfare of backward class­ one must have the necessary protec­ es is concerned, with which this De­ tion. The good hon. Home Minister partment js entrusted, I would ask was pleased to say that there was a this question: has there been welfare clash between two hardened gangs or has there been ‘ill-fated?v What­ of criminals. I had gone there per­ ever organisation was there for the sonally along with some other hon. Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Members of this House, and I must Tribes are completely demoralised. submit to the hon. Minister that there The members belonging to the was no clash: those persons were tied Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled together and shot dead during broad Tribes are completely demoralised. day-light and burnt. The hon. Home There is no organisation worth the Minister seems to have relied upon name for people belonging to the wrong information that might have Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled been supplied by the Bihar Govern­ Tribes. Most of the seats which were ment. reserved for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes were captured by the Congress Party without knowing Now I come to the expenditure on what an amount of responsibility this the welfare of Scheduled Castes, Sche­ capturing of such seats placed on duled Tribes and other Backward them. Similarly, the Janata Party has Classes. On page 57 of the report the captured certain seats which were re­ expenditure for the years 1966—69 has served for the Scheduled Castes and been shown as Rs. 68.50 crores. Scheduled Tribes. So, it would be On page 83 of the said report, their responsibility to see that the you will find that the expendi­ welfare of Scheduled Castes and Sche­ ture in 1974-75 was Rs. 36 crores duled Tribes is properly attended to. and the outlay recommended for 1977- 78 is Rs. 18 crores. This will show I find that the poor people are be­ whether this Government is sympathe­ coming poorer. Who are they? They tic or has no sympathies for the back­ are n0 other than the people belong­ ward classes. On an average, it comes ing to the Scheduled Castes and Sche­ to Rs. 2 per head annually. Can we duled Tribes. This is a fact which have welfare of backward classes with will go unchallenged. What is the such a meagre amount? Even assum- present position so far as backward ingt for a moment, that we are satis­ classes are concerned? The hon. fied with the amount, the question is Home Minister is sifting here. Still this. You are giving various amounts I have not formulated my opinion to the voluntary agencies. Have with regard to the hon. Home Minis­ they any concern with welfare? What­ ter. I feel that the former Home ever the amount, let us a have Parlia­ Minister?, hon. G. B. Pant and hon. mentary Committee to suggest how K. N. Katju, had their own style. So best the amount that has been provi­ far as the present hon. Home Minister ded can be utilised for the welfare of is concerned, let us see what he does. the Backward Classes or the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. These There was an incident at Belchi people are all Harijans. How long where nine persons belonging to the will they go on being called Harijans— Scheduled Castes were shot dead. In for ten years, a hundred years or two the ancient days, Shambuka was kill­ hundred years? Someday, are they 303 D.G. 1977-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs 304

[Mr. B, C. Kamble] cracy-first through surreptitions means that enabled the conspirators going to cease being Harijans or are to retain the letter of the Constitu­ going to be perpetual Harijans? So tion while crucifying its spirit and, long as they continue to be Harijans later, after th* opposition had been they are bound to be ill-treated and thrown into Jail, the reign of terror there are bound to be atrocities on clamped on the people through the them. Therefore this Government bold and shameless effort to convert should formulate a clear policy with our democratic Constitution into a regard to the welfare of these people. totalitarian Constitution through the 42nd Amendment. Sirf jt was the So far as, public security and social culmination of the effort to destroy security are concerned, Government democracy in the country—to equate has no conception with regard to the State with the Government, the social security, if we compare it with Government with the Party, the Party other countries, it is hardly anything with the Caucus and the Caucus with which has any substance. the individual and, finally, to the Hon'ble Members opposite, the indivi­ So l'ar as Union Territories are con­ dual became synonymous with the na­ cerned, the Union Territories should tion. The ^lant/ra which Mr, Dev either be given Statehood or they Kant Borooah gave to the nation viz, should be treated as Union Territo­ 'India is Indira and Indira is India’ ries. They are now neither Union will continue to be a haunting and Territories nor States. humiliating confession of he enor­ mity (magnitude) of the conspiracy Finally, I would once again submit against democracy. that at least so far as the present Janata Government is concerned, Those who wanted to destroy de­ whatever mistakes might have ^ been mocracy and convert our system into done by the Congress Government a totalitarian system had looked upon should be undone and it should be the Home Ministry as the main ins­ seen that effective representatives of trument for forcing their will on the these Classes are consulted and, what­ nation. They wanted to substitute ever the amount, it is properly utilised the Rule of Law with a reign of for the welfare of these people. terrorf to place individuals above the Law, to provide immunity to those SHRIMATI RENUKA DEVI BAR- whom the caucus liked and to per­ KATAKI (Gauhati): Sir, I rise to secute all those who were looked support the Demands that have been upon as dangerous to the monopoly placed before the House by the Home of power that the extra-contitutional Minister. Sir, I need not remind the caucus wanted to preserve. The House that this year the Home Min­ then Home Minister was himself a istry’s demands are being discussed captive of this caucus. It was prac­ in a context which can be described tically a totalitarian regime and was, as almost unprecedented. It is for therefore, bound to be a police re­ the first time that we are discussing gime. That is why, I would request the demands of this Ministry after the the Home Minister that the whole country passed through the night­ police department should be thoroughly mare of the Emergency that rocked overhauled. the very basic structure of our Con­ stitution and our polity and made the Sir, I do not want to take the time common people of our country realise of the House by listing the various what they have lost with the eclipse of agencies and organizations that were their Fundamental Rights and free­ set up in the Police Department and dom. sir the nineteen months of the Home Department during emer­ Emergency marked the culmination of gency and before that. I also do not * concerted effort to undermine demo­ want to take the time of the House 305 D-G. 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 306

in describing the fabulous amounts not be able to reorganise the police of money that had been placed at department. the disposal of HAW and other agencies. Even the money was pla­ Now, I come to the area of general ced at the disposal of certain indivi­ administration, for which the Home duals and that was exempted from Minister is wholly responsible. Our the scrutiny of the Comptroller and public offices have not earned a great Auditor General 0f India or the reputation for efficiency. Public pe­ Parliament. I do not w&nt to go into titions and letters remain unanswer­ all these details, but 1 would only ed and under consideration for r&quest the Home Minister to go months and months together. Public into these things and ensure that petitions and letters written by the such things do not happen in future. public representatives, councillors, legislators or Members of Parliament Under the circumstances, Sir, the even to the Ministers, leave aside the task of the Home Minister is, there- officers, remain unanswered or under foret one of dismantling the laviathan consideration for years together. police State that was built up by the Sometimes, we do not get a reply at previous Government and of restor­ all to our letters. Our people have ing to the police the functions in line to suffer because of this. We hope, with the democratic set-up that we the* Home Minister will see that these have. The police men should know public offices function efficiently. what their duties are towards the Even after 30 years of our own citizens and for maintaining law and government, these public officers es­ order with impartiality. pecially officers like Tahsildars, Block Development Officers and the police Sir, I must congratulate the Home officials do not behave properly and Minister for the excellent beginning they even behave arrogantly to the that he has made and for the speed public. The Home Minister should that he has acquired to restore the look into that so that the public offi­ Fundamental Rights to the citizens cers behave properly and in a man­ and to appoint Commissions of En­ ner as to instil confidence in the quiry to go into the excesses of the people that it is their own govern­ Emergency as well as the shocking ment which wants to serve them and scandals that had characterised last not to terrorise them. years of the Congress regime. How­ ever, in all humility, I must confess Within the time you have given, I that i* is not enough. The obnoxious want to draw the attention of the Forty -second Amendment of the Con­ hon. Home Minister to a very impor­ stitution should be withdrawn im­ tant matter. I know the law and mediately: tha (Fundamental Rights order is a State subject. Hon. Mem­ will have to be fully restored; the ber, Mr Mohsin was telling that our role and power of the judiciary must Home Minister has encroached upon be' restored immediately. this state subject, sir, if some State governments and their Chief Minis­ Then, the necessary correction in ters and Ministers behave in such a the attitude of the police cannot be way which is against people’s inte­ achieved if, at this moment, we do rests, naturally, government of India not differentiate between those offi­ have to take action. cers and men who acted on instruc­ tions and those who w^nt out of their A similar thing happened in Assam, way to persecute and harass people the State to which I belong and during the emergency. If we do not things have come to sucfi a serious differentiate between these people pause there. The members of the and ao not give to the guilty exam- State legislature hav$ levelled 70 Plary punishment that would serve charges of gross abuse of power and as deterrent and corrective, we would misuse of public funds against the 3 07 19 77-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. o/ Home Affairs 30&

[Smt, R’enuka Devi Barkataki] gion, I would like to draw the atten­ tion of the Home Minister that sa State Ministry. Now, the state gov­ far as the North-eastern Council is ernment is trying to destroy the do­ concerned, the purpose for which it cuments and other evidence in the was formed, has not been fulfilled. It Secretariat by burning the Ales. So, has not got sufficient administrative naturally, it is the Home Minister’s and financial powers to implement responsibility now to see that the its schemes like the bridge over evidence is not destroyed. Because Brahmaputra, an alternative National they thought that there would be a Highway and the major hydro­ commission of inquiry against them, electric projects on rivers like Sub- they want to destroy *11 evidence be­ ansiri, Pagladia and many announce­ fore the commission is appointed. What ments made about these magnificent are the charges? Can you imagine and big schemes have turned out to that Rs. 57 crores from plan and be only a vote-catching device. 1 non-plan provisions have been diver­ hope the Home Minister will give ted to hold an AICC session in Gau- more powers to the North Eastern hati. ... (Interruptions) Can you im­ Council as also more finance s<> that agine that special government guest they can fulfil the aspirations of the houses were built to lodge the then people. Prime Minister, Shriirmti Indira Gandhi and the then Congress Pre­ So far as our neighbours are con- sident, Shri Devakanta Borooah at a cernedf the hon. Member from Naga­ cost 0f Rs. 1 crore—all within a land spoke about Nagaland. In Naga­ short of period of three months. land, even after the Shillong Accord, no peace has come. So far as the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia­ Mizoram is concerned, after the cold­ mond Harbour); They are all a part of blooded murder of the IGP, SP and . SDP in Aijawal, there was some lull for some time after the arrest of SHRIMATl RENUKA DEVI BAR­ hundreds of innocent people in the KATAKI: I would like to ask you name of security. The situation has one question. Suppose any Janata since then deteriorated and I hope the Party state government in UP, Bihar, Home Minister will take action and Himachal Pradesh or Madhya Pra­ see that all those innocent people desh or Rajasthan s P e n d this much who were arrested under the MISA amount in the name of a session of are released so that peace may return the Janata Party to be held in their to the Mizo Hills. state will you excuse us?... Similarly, in Arunachal Pradesh, SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA people are very unhappy. There is (Eluru): No, no. a strong resentment against the pre­ sent administration there. I hope the SHRIMATl RENUKA DEVI BAR­ Home Ministry will look into it. KATAKI: No, it is not. That is why the need for a Commission of Last but not the least, I would like Inquiry. It is good for the Congress to refer to the speech made by the Party, it is good for the Janata Party hon. Member opposite, Dr. Karan and for that matter, it is good for Singh. Yesterday he spoke as the all parties. So I want everything first speaker from the Congress Party. should come out and whether they I heard him telling that whatever have spent that money for political happened in the 19 months, one should ends or not. forget and that should not bring it in the House again and again. I heard I would not take much time of the him telling about a reconciliation. I House. Regarding the eastern re­ remember the facts. When we were 309 D.G. 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 310- inside the jail, some of our friends who were outside brought a proposal <.n€f *r $TRT | for emergency. Dr. Karan Singh and his party leaders have forgotten one thing—i.e. the ideals of Gandhiji. Our '5*T3T'^fir 5*IK JT5T W H(li^ »rf,. leaders have not forgotten that. We ^ *flT im snnf *rf; have still faith in Gandhiji and in the Gandhian ideals. nffiHTRft

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T VS fejT ^ I ^Ft j f e n ^ ? t HlTf-CL *i)r 3r achieving unity and integrity in our ?mjk v?^tt 1 f ^ t r t r i if ffp^V % sub-continent. Except for a brief *tpt ^ zfcw mrs ^ti «ft w m period, that is, during the period of Asoka and Akbar, this ideal has always ^Tf^, ^pnjrft rft^-, VfTT5t Hft4f eluded the Indian people. It was left tft* ^ft cr? ^ ^tn: % ^ r ?rpft vr*n to the late sa^dar Patel who brought % mv f ^ t tft# 1 ?*t ^^rr ^ about a sort of unity belying the pro­ phets of doom, particularly, the Bri. W^rf rft VTR +<^i i ^ 1^ ^ tish Imperialists who were thinking ^TT ^m , w ^ «ft WR ^T that the country would collapse after a few years of independence. Our ^ tf ?T?t ?TPTT if esteemed Home Minister is a leader ^ m r ^ %trt =5TTf^r ft. «rWt of long standing with wide experience ^rr T?t | 1 in administration. I wish him success iii xurther pursuing this ideal.

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[Dr. Henry Austin] the fault was at the implementation level or at the policy making levei. integration. The fact that it has paved the way for a healthy unity The declaration of emergency was a: which this country would otherwise constitutional device. Whether U was have never achieved, cannot be over­ necessary or notf it was a different looked. History shows that no Gov­ matter. I do not blame the individual ernment by itself achieve this goal. members of bureaucracy, most of The effort has to be made at the whom constitute the cream of our people’s level and at the level of na­ society. Go^ to the United States, so tional consensus. In the wake of the much reference is made to that count­ slight decline of the Congress party in ry. When I was an employee of the certain regions of the country, as a Indian Embassy in Washington, several result of recent elections, the Indian visitors wanted me to show unity of the country has been to an them the Secretariat of the Govern­ extent affected. I do not want to say ment. The fact, there is no Secretariat that because the Janata Party has with so many under secretaries or now come to power ,the whole edifice deputy secretaries in the United States. of unity is collapsing. In the emerging Each ministry or department sees to it political situation, the Janata Party that the money allotted to it is spent is having certain influence or control, in the manner intended. We take the may be momentary control only in queue from the and certain regions, and the rest of the even there you do not find a big top- country is not affected. I do not sug­ heavy secretariat as we have here in gest that the emergence of a regional our country. Even for the Home party in a particular State symbolises Minister who has already made an im­ disintegration. However, devisive pact on the administration, I am afraid, forces are raising their ugly heads it would be difficult to handle the down below the superficial facade of bureaucracy as it exists today. It is unity. This aspect may be ignored the ramification of the central situation only at our peril. One of the major that is reflected at the village level. problem the Congress to faced during The Home Ministry is in charge of 1 the post independence period was that and order. But how can it be claimed it did not pay proper attention to the that law and order are maintained instruments of implementation of their when speaker after speaker represent­ policies. I mean the amorphous body ing one-sixth of our population, the of what you call the bureaucracy which Harijans and the Girijans say that the British people left and which we their villages are being razed to the have inherited from them. It still re­ ground, and that they do not have any mains practically the same. It has not protection and the police are not avail­ been an instrument for the socio-eco­ able when they are needed. I congra­ nomic transformation of our society, tulate the Home Minister for nis hu­ it was an instrument for the suppres­ mane approach, for visiting the police sion of the Indian people by the British stations in the capital. That is a place and we have not taken care to trans­ wher$ the forgotten citizens expect form it as an effective instrument for some sympathy and understanding. the service of our people. The poor village peasants, most of our people are living in the villages, do not want big palaces and houses, they Many things have been said about expect some little justice meted out to the emergency. I am not a champion them, a little kindness to be shown to or a defender of the emergency. I them. Do you think that our police feel that we have faltered at times are discharging this duty? I. suggest during the emergency. Nevertheless, that 30-40 per cent of the people man­ when the occasion comes the scholars ning the police departments should would evaluate and find out whether come from the backward classes who 321 D.G. 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 ( SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 322 had been oppressed for centuries. Hari­ tection to those people who fight jans should be made police officers like against time for a better day. DSP; they should be given adequate I do not want to make a lengthy training; IAS and IPS training should speech. Nevertheless, I would like to be so modified as to make it simpler so say that this country’s unity is para­ that Harijans and backward class peo­ mount. When a close friend of late ple could come in. We hear so many Pandit Jawaharl-al Nehru told him that things about atrocities. Do you think the country was not making strident Indira Gandhi or Sanjay Gandhi went strides towards the road of socialism, and told a police officer; beat this man as expected under his leadership, he is or that man. Those in power may reported to have replied that he no have given a general direction to en­ doubt was a socialist and he wanted force law and order. The lapse comes the pace of socialism to be accelerated, more from our bureaucracy. It is \ our but as a student of history he know duty as Home Minister to remove this that the country " disintegrated from lapse. I am glad to hear that you are want of unity and therefore unity was going to appoint a commission to stre­ an assential prerequisite of socialism. amline the functions of our Police. I Whenever India was conquered by should also like a commission to foreign powers, it was because of inter­ reform our jail and lock-up apparatus. nal weakness and due to our dissen­ sions as seen at the battles of Panipet, Plassi or Seringapatam. If Janata Another important matter that arises Party or any other political force tries for consideration is that political mur­ to make capital at the expense of ders that are taking place in different the unity of the country, I am sorry parts of the country. We .'lave all to say, that our future will be bleak. been accusing the Naxalites and de­ Sir, the Home Ministry is a pivotal nouncing their violent programmes. Ministry. It is the fulcrum on which What is the reason for the emergence the entire administration of the coun­ or recrudescence of the Naxalite move­ try revolves. It is your duty to im­ ment? Mighty socio-economic trans­ part an element of impartiality, an formation has taken place in our coun­ element of objectivity in the affair of try though you may decry thirty years your Ministries. of congress rule. Harijans and Adi- vasis, people belonging to vluneraHe Most of the Members on that side, I sections of society have gained moral know, have suffered during the Emer­ courage and strength and political will gency. Naturally you will be angry. But it is time for the anger to subside to give expression to their opinion. and let us work together towards the They think of speeding results to regeneration and rejuvenation of our change the present socio economic set country, let us march forward towards up. Some misguided among them take our socialist destinity. To this end, I to violence. It is in this context that I hope the Home Minister will strive to want to refer to the social awakening streambline our Home Ministry. even in-U.P. You do not see now the U.P. of 50 years ago. The hon. Home » SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO (Mor- Minister himself knows the magni- f mugoa): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am for­ tude of the transformation that has tunate enough to be the only repre­ taken place in U.P., a new class is sentative of a Union Territory who coming up. You have to change the had a chance to speak today and fhat socio-economic institutional framework is precisely what we were discussing in tune with the mighty changes and just now. May I say on behalf of the awakening among the backward classes Union Territories that we strongly dis­ who had been suppressed for a long agree and that we wish to express our time. For this the Home Ministry has strong disapproval of the policy cf the to give an impetus, it has to give pro- ^ Government of India, in particular of 351 L S — 12 323 D.G. 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 324

[Shri Eduardo F&lliro] strictions are so many that there is no the Home Ministry towards the Union point in mentioning them. I would like Territories and their demand for grea­ to say this much that the Government ter autonomy and self Government? in the Union territory of Pondicherry There are Union territories so styled and Goaf though they have legislative elegantly like Andaman and Nicobar, assemblies, are not entitled to bring particularly Lakshadeep and Minicoy, any legislation without the prior sanc­ where even panchayat system is not tion, prior scrutiny and prior approval functioning. From Delhi they are of the Home Ministry here. being ruled. This is a system which, The council of ministers has no I say painfully, an elegant expression great powers. The Lt. Governor is not to express a much more crude fact bound by the council’s advice and in and a much more crude situation— case of disagreement between the Lt. is that of a colony and colonial Governor and the council of ministers, system. It is a forgotton territory the matter has to be referred to the even after thirty years of Government of India. independence. We in those pockets, still remain in the same circumstances I do appreciate that all the union as we were three decades ago under territories do not stand on the same the Portugese, under the French and footing. I suggest that Lakshadweep undr the British. All are responsible. and Amindivi islands and Andaman (Interruptions) I would like to say and Nicobar islands should have legis­ that Congress Government is partial­ lative assemblies on the lines of the ly responsible. Mr. Morarji Desai, union territories of Goa and Pondi­ today’s Prime Minister is greatly cherry at the earliest. In the case of responsible for this situation because Goa and Pondicherry, nothing short of hon. Prime Minister was one of those full-fledged-statehood will do. Delhi who opposed small states and who and Chandigarh stand on a different opposed statehood to Union terri­ footing. Delhi is the capital of :he tories. Mr. Charan Singh is one of country and Chandigarh is the capi­ the great offenders of small States. tal of two States. But the demands But I hope he will consider favour­ of these union territories also for ably giving statehood to the union Statehood deserve to be favourably territory. So, we had all types of considered. people everywhere. It is also not cor­ rect to say that Sint. Indira Gandhi The greatest objection to the grant­ and Shri Jawaharlal Nehru are res­ ing of statehood to union territories ponsible for this because they were all lies in the fact that they would consti­ for small States. They were for the tute small States. On this, I can quote partition of UP as Mr. Charan Singh no better statesman than what my was. (Interruptions) ^ friend the other day described as the patron-saint of the Janata Party, Shri Jayaprakash Narayan, who is one of I would like to say that even in the greatest advocates of small States. those territories like Pondicherry and In an article he wrote in the Hindus­ Goa where there are legislatures and tan Times dated 17-1-69, he said: legislative assemblies, these are only colonies and not free States. Now, the** “An obvious corollary of this pro­ Presidential election is soon approach­ cess is breaking up of the over-sized ing. You know. Sir, that while **11 the States such as UP, Bihar, MP and MLAs of the States will be entitled to a few others...The breaking up of vote in the Presidential Election, our the large States, apart from result­ MLAs in Goa are not entitled to vote. ing in more compact efficient and Even MLAs in Pondicherry are not en­ close-to-the people administration, titled to vote. If this is not second class should also go far to mitigate linguis­ citizen ship, then what else? Our re­ tic jingoism.” 325 D C. 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 189 9 (SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 326 r So here we have a staunch advocate had to do with some matter not con­ of small States, which wh#n taken to cerning his ministry, Shri Shanti Bhu- its logical conclusion, would mean shan said, granting of statehood to union terri­ tories. Acharya Kripalani, another fa­ He said that a Minister speaks not for ther figure of the Janata Party, has himself, speaks not only for his port­ also supported the demand for small folio, but he speaks for the Govern, States and statehood for the union ment. Has Prof. Madhu Dandavate territories. Our disinguished Home been speaking for Government when Minister, Shri Charan Singh, when he he said that Goa- would get Statehood was Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh before the next Rajya Sabha elections? said in 1970 that the size of U.P. was Similarly, Mr. Raj Narain, Mr. Rama- greatly responsible for the extreme krishna Hegde, Secretary of the Janata backwardness of the State. He could Party made all these promises. I only not administer the State properly hope that they will implement these because it was too big and he suggested promises soon, if not before the next it should be broken up. So, here in Rajya Sabha elections our very honourable and distinguished Home Minister, we find an advocate With these words, I thank you. of the very theory we propound, which we fervently hope will see the light £- - ... . of reality. m u inr t f% 6 STST Sf WWg* About Goa, I can speak with more confidence, because I know I have the support of my friend from the other ^ nsf+'YM mrf f o t 1 *ft side also. At the time of the assembly elections, a host of ministers descen­ U v t m 4'RNrT 1 | % ded there and made promises, the main among them being statehood of Goa. t fcrr ^ 1 Our very respected and serious-min­ ded Railway Minister, Shri Madhu MR. CHAIRMAN: We will consider Dandavate, who is not known for in­ it. dulging in cheap gimmicks and mak­ ing vague futile promises, said on 30th M a y 1977 that Goa would get state­ hood: : WUFZT far “Railway Minister Madhu Danda­ vate yesterday gave a pledge to the fcrti qr: i people of Goa that the Union Terri­ tory would soon be granted Statehood MR. CHAIRMAN: I will consult the by the Centre. Mr. Dandavate told Minister concerned whether the time newsman that it would be the endea­ can be extended and whether it is vour of the Janata Government at suitable for him or not. Now, I call the Centre to see that Goa attained upon Mr. Jethmalani. Statehood in time I want to empha­ sis this to enable it to participate in SHRI RAM JETHMALANI (Bom­ the election to the Rajya Sabha bay North-West): Mr. Chairman, along with the 10 other States which Sir, the Ministry of Home Affairs Is are going to the polls shortly.” undoubtedly a key Ministry and per­ haps the most important Ministry that I hope they are still in time to give we have. But there is one fact which statehood to the people of Goa. The seems to be forgotten, particularly by other day when our senior colleague my hon. friend from the other side Shri Kamath asked what Mr. Vajpayee that in the nature of things the work D.G. 1977-78 0/ JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs 328

* [Shri Ram Jethmalani] the Congress Party stood for the unity of the couitfry and the Janata Party of the Home Ministry is a silent work, was doing something to destroy that it is unassuming work and its achieve­ unity, I think the claim was false and ments are not capable of being descri­ the insinuation was equally false. But bed in spectacular terms or in expen­ I have something to say. He told us in sive pamphlets containing sonerous the next breath that he is anxiously language. Its achievements must nece­ waiting for the work of the Commis­ ssarily be of a negative kind. Its ach­ sions which we have appointed to be ievements must be pleasured by the over and he said he is waiting for the absence of wrong doings, by the fewness Commissions to disclose the truth. I am of the wrongs and the fewness of its all with him that the Commissions ills. We went through a revolution re­ must s p e e d i l y conclude their task, but cently. That we succeeded in staging being a criminal lawyer, I have one a peaceful transition to the democra­ suggestion to make to this House. tic way of life is the greatest achieve­ Often crimes cannot be proved except ment of the Home Ministry and after through the evidence of accomplices having established democracy in this and the best evidence can often come country' we stuck to the democratic from those who have participated in way of life and there is not one thing the crimes. I understand the call for which can be termed as undemocratic, unity; I understand the call for for­ which has not been done by this Minis­ giveness. I understand the call for try and I think it is a great tribute to skipping over the wounds of the past. this Home Ministry. There was one But there can be only one condition: criticism levelled against this Ministry those who collaborated closely with that we dissolved the legislatures of those crimes, and the distinguished the States, but I hope these novices in leaader of the Opposition—I speak democracy will appreciate that the parliamentary language-—was the most people of the country have ratified loyal collaborator. He must first that decision of the Home Ministry. I undertake to give evidence before this hope you will learn gracefully to ac­ Commission. And I hope Dr. Karan cept the democratic verdict of this Sjngh will do likewise, because he country. The people of this country enjoys the confidence of the inner had shown that the decision of the circle of the Congress Party (Interrup­ Home Ministry was right and these tions). legislatures in their original form and composition had no right to continue SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: This is the even for a single day or a single min­ most important statement that a cri­ ute. minal lawyer is making. (Interrup­ tions). I heard yesterday with great interest MR. CHAIRMAN; Mr. Lakkappa. and amusement the speech of Dr. Karan Singh. He spoke in his usual, please don’t interrupt. suave, sophisticated and deceptive SHRI RAM JETHMALAIN: Let me style. But am not a trained politician say for the benefit of my friends op­ and being a humble lawyer, the House posite...... (Interruptions). will pardon me for being a little rele­ vant. I have failed to understand SHRI K LAKKAPPA; He must main­ what Dr. Karan Singh meant by his tain decorum and decency. ‘call for unity* when discussing* the demands for grants of the Home SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: Ministry. In the abstract nobody can (Badhgara) ; He Is a novice to this object to any call for unity coming House. from any quarters, but I am wonder­ (Interruptions) ing whit he really intended to in­ sinuate, If he wanted to convey that MR. CHAIRMAN: Order, order. 329 D G- 1977-78 °f ASADHA 22, 1899 ( SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 330

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN; (Idukki) SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: It is After having attacked the Leader of time my friends on the opposite the Opposition in such a manner, he learnt to respect democracy and to must be prepared to take his words learn a few lessons. (Interruptions) back. You will not suppress my right to free speech. (Interruptions) AN HON. MEMBER: Is he sure there is no collaborator in his party? MR. CHAIRMAN: Please sit down. Mr. Jethmalani, you can proceed. MR. CHAIRMAN: Don’t try to be provocative, Mr. Jethmalani. SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: We know the background. There are persons.. DR. HENRY AUSTIN: What is your (interruptions) but the people are commitment to democracy, when you supreme in this country. . . . (interrup­ run down the Leader of the Opposi­ tions) tion like this? Is this a democratic practice to run an Opposition leader? DR. HENRY AUSTIN: We are for (Interruptions) democracy____ (interruptions)

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: The SHRI C. M. STUPHEN: I would in­ greatest tribute that you can pay to vite the hon. Member to look to the the Home Ministry and its work is treasury benches first, and see whether that people who have never believed there are no accomplices and collabora­ in parliamentary life and democracy tors there. (Interruptions) Let him are still continuing to exploit demo­ start there. cratic processes in this co u n try ...... (interruptions) SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: We demand that he should withdraw his re­ 16.35 hrs. marks. [M r . D e p u t y -S p e a k e r in the Chair] MR. CHAIRMAN: Please sit down. If Congressmen today are anxious to I have already asked the hon. Mem­ give evidence...... (interruptions) I ber to be less provocative. Let us am coming to it in two minutes. Give proceed. (Interruptions) me only half a minute and I can come to it. If these gentlemen oppo­ SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: Let site want to make good their claims me say what I have claimed before 'to the newly-kindled democratic! and what I wish to claim before this spirit in their hearts, first of all they House: if democracy and the rule of have to come and tell this House that law have been restored in this coun­ they are prepared to collaborate in ty , it is because some people were reversing the constitutional amend­ adequately provoked by their mis­ ments which have defiled and dis­ deeds; and if we had not been pro­ figured our country. On the very voked, democracy would not have first day we met in this House, the been restored. (Interruptions> Leader of the Opposition got up and said that he will consider each cons­ SHRI C. M. STEPHEN; You were titutional amendment proposal on its giving lectures in the United States. merits. I have not yet seen either the Leader of the Opposition or his MR. CHAIRMAN: May I request loyal followers coming up and telling the hon. Members to cooperate with us that they are prepared to colla­ the Chair? Please be patient. May I borate in reversing this particular request all the hon. Members on both constitutional amendment . ... (inter­ sides to let him proceed? ruptions). , ■ 331 D.G. 1977-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs 332

SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola): I am on my legs, you must sit down. First of all, you must say that you If you do not take your seat, I will will not collaborate with smugglers have to take some other action. and their collaborators like Haji Mastan or have contacts in Ame­ SHRI VASANT SATHE: Now that rica . . . . (interruptions) you have sat down, I will get up on a point of order, under rule 376. He MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Sathe, made a remark that the Leader of please resume your seat. the Opposition was a collaborator against democracy. Have you expung­ SHRI VASANT SATHE: Sir, he is ed it or not? That is the question. questioning our leader. We will not Please tell us your ruling on this. tolerate this nonsense. First of all, his remarks will have to be expung­ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This is e d .... (Interruptions). not a point of order. If anybody has asked for anything to be expung­ SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: These ed by the Chair, it will be considered interruptions will only prolong my but you cannot rise again and again. speech.... (interruptions) The charge levelled against our party by Dr. SHRI VASANT SATHE: I want Karan Singh was..... (interruptions) information. SHRI T. BALAKRISHNIAH (Tiru- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No. you pathi): The Chairman has already will not be given any more informa­ given a ruling that the hon. Member tion. should not make a provocative speech but in spite of the ruling, the hon. SHRi RAM JETHMALANI: An­ Member is continuing that way. Will other change was solemnly made by you kindly restrain him? They must Mr. Karan Singh that we are en­ couraging defections, and he talked be ashamed of the atrocities on Hari- jans. of this as a minor point of interest If there are some people amongst you MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You are who come and tell us that they have provoking others now. Please do not been sinning in the past and that they get provoked. want to stop sinning, are we supposed to tell them to continue to sin, not to SHRI T. BALAKHISHNIAH: Ours stop sinning? You are right that we is a democratic country and there shall not entice anybody from your must be democracy for all, but for party. We shall not holdout attrac­ Harijans there is no democracy. In tions or promises for anybody to leave these 100 days of their rule, Harijans your party. Let me tell you some­ have been tortured and butchered, thing. One of your distinguished ex. they must be ashamed. Ministers who ceased to be a Minister as a result of the last electoral verdict SHRI VASANT SATHE; On a point was trying to get into the Janata of order. Party, and those who did not want him had to fined out material which MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please was passed on to the head of the resume your seat. Janata Party, and the Party ultimate­ ly rejected his overtures for joining cur SHRI VASANT SATHE: I rise on party. a point of order. * SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: Yon MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am not are a novice in Parliament and this going to allow. This Is not the way kind of thing will not work here. What to conduct the proceedings of the about Asoka Mehta’s letter to the Ho^e House. Please take your seat. When Minister? f 333 D-G- 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 ( SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 334

SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: I hope MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Sathe 1 am speaking for the large majority has special love for you. of my colleagues on this side when I say that we who belong to the SHRI RAM JETHMALANI; On 7th Janata Party refuse to give any un­ December, 1974 a solemn First in­ qualified admissions to those from the formation Report was lodged with other side. We will examine your the Central Bureau of Investigation. ' antecedents, we will ask for evidence, I am mentioning this because every and only when we are satisfied that time when there is difficulty, we make there is a ginuine change of heart an announcement that we have sent will we admit you, and you will be the case to CBI for investigation. I admitted on probation. Anybody and am conscious that the CBI has also everybody who wants to come to this some incorruptible and competent party is not going to*be admitted. Dr. officials but, by and large, this instru­ Karan Singh made the third charge. ment has been corrupted by the He told us why is it that the Police previous Government; it requires to is misbehaving in this country. Let be cleaned; it requires to be dis­ me remind him that the Government infected before it can become an of the day, for good or for bad, is the effective instrument of our policy. teacher of public morals. It sets stand­ When a FIR is filed, normally a per­ ards by which the lower officers, the son goes to the police and makes a bureacuracy, are guided. For ten long complaint that he suspect that some years, the police in this country has offences have been committed and been exposed to the corruption, to people are to be arrested. In this the illegality, to the lawlessness of case— 1 say this with the responsibi­ its masters, the political masters and lity of a criminal lawyer and the I am surprised that a man of Dr. erstwhile Chairman of the Bar Coun­ Karan Singh’s intellect should com­ cil of India—we presented to the CBI plain why the police is behaving in conclusive evidence of the guilt of this manner. The police is behaving those accused persons who, by subs­ in this manner because it has taken tituting one false agreement for a cue, it has taken its lessons from another, by showing to the Govern­ its previous political masters. I hope, ment one agreement when the secret the distinguished Home Minister will* agreement of different kind existed, not take long time to set things right: have persuaded the Government of (Interruptions) I am surprised that India to release millions of foreign the police force in this country conti­ exchange. We gave the police con­ nues to have a large number of com­ clusive evidence that by these various petent and incorruptible officers. methods, they have succeeded in (Interruptions) Let me give you an accummulating huge foreign exchange illustration, an illustration which is abroad. I want the Home Minister the subject matter of my cut motion, to listen to this. The CBI solemnly which is a token cut motion. I am not wrote a letter, not because the law raising it to criticise my party but I said it but because Mrs. Gandhi am only raising it because I wish to through Om Mehta said and ordered warn my Home Minister of the pit­ that the police shall not investigate falls which have been created by the this offence. Why? Because by cheat­ previous Government. I do not want ing, you have obtained foreign ex­ my Home Minister to let into those change; the CBI is powerless to very pitfalls which have been creat­ investigate in these offences. I state ed by the previous Government. On my reputation as a lawyer; there are 7th December, 1974 against some Supreme Court Judges here; we have very rich people whose money was the Law Minister; we have the dis­ circulated in the last election parti­ tinguished Attorney-General, j want cularly in the North___ (Interrup­ any lawyer who can tell me whether tions)______* the CBI can' refuse to investigate a 335 D G - 1977-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs 336

[Shri Ram Jethmalani] to arrest him? How does it happen serious offence of cheating merely that every time he walks up to the because by cheating, you have ob­ court? I want to know who are the tained foreign exchange and this case lawyer* who are appearing for the must go to some other authority, 1 Government. Does the Government will withdraw. From 7th December, give them instructions to oppose the 1974 not even one of those rich men bail application? To my mind, no has been arrested. Those are the richt honest investigation, no effective in­ men coming from the notorious Mody vestigation, can1 proceed unless the empire whose money, as I have said, accused is in custody and is conti­ was circulating freely in the elections nuously interrogated. (Interruptions) to the detriment of democracy and to I have never heard this nonsense. I the detriment of the Janata Party. call it an unadulterated nonsense that you allow an influential accused per­ There are two cut motions of mine. son to roam about, to destroy the I wish to draw the attention of the evidence of his crime. Home Minister to those facts. The other day, when I mentioned the I can give an illustration. When I matter in Parliament, the Prime asked the Minister of Information Minister got up and said that in the and Broadcasting, Mr. Advani, that matter of arrest of responsible people, the public wants to be satisfied that like, the ex-Prime Minister or, per­ the investigation by the CBI is pro­ haps, her son, the Government has ceeding effectively, he gave me an to proceed with great caution. I have answer which amazed me. The answer *he greatest respect for the Prime was that the container of the film Minister. But I have one slight am­ was found somewhere about 15 endment to make and, j hope, the Km. away from the Maruti factory Home Minister will take note of. The near a pond. That shows how effec­ amendment which I wish to make is tive investigation is going on. To my that you have to show greater care mind, the CBI has already made it and caution when a poor man is being sure that nobody can be convicted arrested and not when a rich man is in the case because the incriminating being arrested. article is found about 15 Km. away ^r=r wrr fasft rfn r *rt ftre’TdK from the Maruti factory, that no re­ sponsibility can be fixed on anybody f’ TT'trTTT 5TTH | for that incriminating article and 'rm tm'Y rnspr ^ that the case cannot be proved against ?rm 1 ^ % anybody. I do not want lies to the concocted by the police. But surely wmfr sfT sftrr *rttfr % n, afr this does not show that effective in­ ^ T5TT 5T^f vestigation is going on. ^ 1 3R srrr fNwt I would like the Home Minister to *TT T ffir fe jP r a f'TT'Tcl I < assure us because this is disturbing Hundreds of people will rise to de­ us greatly as to how it is that an in­ fend a rich man. But there is nobody fluential man is able to get off in spite to defend a poor man when he is of a wide variety of crimes of which marched to Kotwali. Therefore, I he is accused. If the rule of law has hope, the Home Ministry will adopt to be preserved___(Interruptions). this norm to show greater care and SHRI VASANT SATHE: On a caution in the matter of arrest of point of order, Sir. Allow me to poor people. raise a point of order. 1 want to ask: How does it happen that Mr. Sanjay Gandhi every time MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What is comes to know that somebody wishes the point of order? 337 D G- 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 3 3 | -

SHRI VASANT SATHE: First ask The Court was presided over by him to sit down. I am on a point of Mr. Salim RASHOE, President of the order. My point of order is that on First Division of the Court of Appeal

a matter w*hich is sub judice if any­ assisted by Five Judges of the Court one casts an aspersion on the inves­ of Appeal and State Court and Three tigating authority, he is prejudicing Military Judges. Military Judges the case. This cannot be done. were required on the Tribunal because the Accused included Military Officers. SHRI RAM JETHMALANI: I am Out of 19 charges, the gravest one was the last man to comment on the violation of Constitution which was merits 01' the investigation. I do not considered to be the most important. wish to go into the facts of the case. That is the thing that has been done by The allegations against Mr. San jay Mrs. Indira Gandhi, the former Prime Gandhi may be all false. He may be Minister and her Government, suppor­ innocent and, I hope, he will be able ters and the collaborators. to establish his innocence. But the country must be sure that the inves­ It is punishable by death, according tigation is proceeding on the right to the law of Turkey. It is not consi­ lines and that it is not already dered to be a country which is advo­ cating socialism or democracy. Other loaded in favour of those accused charges included, “Organisation of persons about whom the entire elec­ Anti Greek Riots of 1955,” ; “Attempt, torate of this country is anxious to ed Assasination of Elder Statesman know the truth. Ismet Inonu” ; “Forcible wrongful Res­ traint of Opposition Leader” ; “Forcible If the truth is suppressed and the Repression of Student Demonstrations investigations are conducted on the of April I960”. “ Misuse of Public wrong lines, it will be a great fallacy Money” . Well, nothing is lacking in of justice. If the rule of law has to our instance. be established in the country, we have got to adopt one action', that is, The Court delivered Judgement before the law, the rich and the poor 011 15th September, 1961. You kind­ are alike, the powerful and the weak­ ly see KEESINGS CONTEMPORARY er are alike and Mr. San jay Gandhi ARCHIVES 1961 October 14-21, pages -and the beggars are equal. That is 18375—7. It says: the principle which we should adopt “The Court delivered judgment on in maintaining the rule of law in 15th September 1961. Menderes was this country. found guilty of Violation of the Constitution.” Along with Ex-Presi­ dent Bayar, Mr. Zorlu and Mr. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia­ Polatkan Menderes was condemned mond Harbour); We note with great to death by a unanimous vote. dismay that there is a provision in the Others were condemned by majo­ statute in the country against massive rity votes. Yet others were sen. invasion of democracy and violation tenced to Life and other Terms of of the Constitution. Imprisonment. While the sentence of Death There is a very glaring example in against ex-President Bayar was, on a foreign country which took place in the grounds of his age, etc, etc.” I960, that isv the trial of ex-President Calal BAYAR of Turkey, along with Have we got to draw a lesson from former Premier Andan Menderes and what happened in Turkey which had ' COO Members and supporters of the never claimed to say really that they former Railing (Democratic) Party, were going for socialism or that had opened on 14th October, 1960 on never been great advocates of demo­ YASSIADA Island, Sea of Marmora. cracy? 3*9 D.G. 1977-70 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs

[Shri Jyotirxnoy Bosu] 17.0 hrs. About suitable legislation, you must bring a suitable legislation to punish The National integration Council the guilty who had violated the Con­ set up a, Working Group under the stitution, subverted democracy in a massive way and it should be made chairmanship of the Home Minister in effective from 24th June, 1977. The June, 1976, to consider certain urgent country can sit in judgment for those problems relating to national integra­ who subverted the democracy in a tion. The Group included some Chief Ministers. What did they do? The massive way and violated the Consti­ tution beyond recognition. Working Group suggested a seven- point action programme for promoting the communal harmony. 'The Group As far as majority and the minority also made recommendations for deaL- issues are concerned, we the majority ing with extremists' violence, students' community have a duty and absolute violence and labour troubles. What a obligation to wards them and protect wonderful way of diluting the parti, 20 per cent of our population who cular issue and side-tracking the constitute minority of the Muslims whole thing! to ensure for them fair share of busi­ ness, jobs, Police, Defence, para mili­ In 1971-—76, there had been 1,256 tary forces, seats in educational insti­ riots in the country. In 1976, there tutions, preservation of Islamic cul­ had been 169 riots in the country, and ture which has rich heritage, mak- the Sambal—Moradabad riot wa6 very tabs, Maktabs and teaching of Arbic, serious. I would only give a friendly Persain and Urdu and their growth advice to my friends on the left: has to be assured. There are great forget what they had done but be­ possibilities for the oil rich countries ware, the Muslims feel insecure; do not to help. They are looking for persons make it a Hindu State, if you do it, who are economically backward of that will be the end of democracy in backwards. the country.

When the National Integration The Scheduled Castes agd scheduled Council was constituted the first meet­ Tribes are also in a miserable plight. ing was held in 1961 and the secon d The 1971 census shows that they con was held in 1962 and the third and stitute about 22 per cent of our total the last was held in 1968. What did population. In 1976, in Bihar alone, they do? They circulated some papers there have been 1,133 atrocities—upto and passed resolutions and nothing September, in the same period, 57 beyond that was done. It says, “The Harijans and Adivasis were murder­ National Integration Council, how­ ed. There has been an increase in ever, notes with concern the increase the number of atrocities in Bihar in communal incidents in different alone; In 1972 it was 98, in 1973 it parts of the country over the last few was 103, in 1974 it was 259 and in 1975 years.” Organised killings were seen it was 300. Economically also they are in Sadar Bazar and Jama Masjid in backward because unless you have the very nose of Indira Gandhi. genuine land reforms, you cannot im­ prove their lot. There has been ex. tensive bonded labour. The Congress Sir, the Indira Government made a Government, with a fanfare had said false statement regarding Farida, and that 70,000 had been identified. But the Home Minister at that time, Mr. what happened? Only 3,000 of them Brahmananda Reddy had to make an were claimed to have been rehabi­ apology-statement on the floor of the litated. The rest have gone back House. the bondage—from where they came- 341 *>.G. 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 34a \J The North-Eastern Region is very advantage of the erstwhile ruling important. It is a multi-national class. The Home Minister should take country we live in. This is a very note of it and look into it personally sensitive area. They are simple, and see that Mr. Varsnoi does not get straight forward and proud people. any injustice from their hands also. In the name of national mainstream, they have been bulldozed. They must *T£ (*ft firs): be allowed to retain all the good things they had. It has to be (unity ft-* ?t t t f e r r r ? in diversity*.

The special power that the Gover­ nor of Nagaland has is something fe-w M ftnrr ^trt *tt i # which is unconstitutional and undemo- ff srmrr snr cratic. The -Governor is called not srnnn era ^ ^ tt i the Governor of a particular State, but Governor of the North-Eastern (fcrHl *TST) : Region. We have to find a political OTT5ZTCT 51WR- solution for this sensitive area, for these good people. They are being

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( ^ h ) «ft w^®r f%r^ : t sw «jt *rr f r 29 mvftnff % fw m ftqtff ifto 5TR^rt (ft^T) : fjr^T f I , 23 vrefwzfir % . . (a m R ) ^fcT ^TfTT^ if ^ ^ *TeT | I WT SHRI M. K AL YAN ASUND ARAM: m ^ ft fatfV *Rte VT^ft ^ft ^T eR? May I say one thing?...... * ft far^T ^ r r G*di | ? ^ r ? r ^ ^rt «ft ^ J|fr ^5TR trdmWY ^t TTfT^ % firq- v t f SRTOR*r ^ ^ < vFTPT SPT^ ?t*T I MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER j He is »- p> f- not yielding; what is the use? It will be off the’ record. I f a f : 'jTTftlw »»?tw, ^ 5rhr if gin*?t ? • - • 1- »• t t t T^r m (unrotsr)

•Not recorded. 361 D.G. 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 362

SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: ff snr «rr Pf 29 srcfW f Please listen to Mr, Ram Dhan at ^TRTPT 5?TT 23 fTOTTT least. $ f , 6 PlW TK ^ ftl $ I (Interruptions) f*T7^TR ^FT^t % f^PT 5Tf"5rf ^TTT h*\£ V3T *FTT t I («4*^M) ^T^f fifT^: 3tJ< ¥t £\*n # sfr* ^ ^ T T I gtr q-, cR t ^ feqr qT ,1 sftr ^ Sift nr#f % MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Just 5^ t, ^ ^ f%m t 1 ignore that.

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^PPT ?TTTT | I f ?T? ^ 5 T^T «TT f% wf fen ? («mnr) facRT SHT^ *JT, f%3T 5TT TgT | I 'Tfrr ^rrf^r 1 (s j^ iw ) SHRI SURATH BAHADUR SHAH (Kheri)*: Are they trying to teach us Parliamentary ettiquette? «ft t «ft ttst^ tpt % + § ll ^T^cTT ? 1% # g r w r *jt Tn^ftir jt tr sftr *n*T % srtr ^ — ?ftr ^ wtct ^— *ft to ^ 1 ^ ^ ^srr ^rr^rr gf . t f t 1 'SRt < VT^" ^ 1% (Win ^hft 9TTPrf-oZRWr «ft ^T«r : t ?ft frT-Sf^T ^T % cnp #?t rT^ TfT |jr irTTW^ «^d *ft% q % (Vffl I t cT^fhT ^TcTT JJ ftr (wr^TTT) I^tt— ^ftr ^trr ^ft 5Tfr «rr 1 iTifyr ?rnr> r*iPifd< MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER*: When a Minister is replying or when a Mem­ % W 1+d^l qfk+TT f ? ?TT tjs* ber is speaking, unless he yields you 5qr#T eft f I cannot interrupt. (Interruptions). Do finff f e n t 5% ^ ^ft tTrfirfjT^rT not get excited now. There is no use getting excited like this. If the Minis­ +r<®ft ?r ^t*r ftrf^^T ter wants to yield, he can and he may % fnr ®r ^ 1 «rr¥t ^ t ^rr yield. If you go on interrupting, he tt^ y r ir ^ stt^ ht tr«T t ■>' i.‘ ' 363 D.G. 1977-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs 364

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ftt^-^nrsT ^»r «MnV ft*ft 1 SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Sir, we do not agree with the Home Minister here. It is dangerous.

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craT ST o fqUft 9T^f *F m ^ ^T T ^TfefT J ^ ■?>?> ferr — ^ *if5i % fa ;*t fert¥5 ^t ?mt ; sftfrfir *ft*r % ^ ri sr^R 2FT I sftr st o ^-q i4Y eft o^rsr % 3"? *T«F% 3Hl<5*Tl 'dr1‘^ >4«th fn«M ’PTT --- fa fT*T VRfiTW eft SHRI M. KALYANASUNDARAM; *i^»el CFIT7T3 'T^t ^>T I ST® Law and order is, of course, the sub­

^arnft %Kf>nr *n <+>k t c ject-matter concerning the States. But ^t«r»ei ^ I -q <«i *ft ^ R i^ d several Members from both sides have SFT ^eTT | I %fa^ complained bkteriy about atrocities on

? |fa^TeT ^ r n w i d ^ tt^t fispSm r Harijans. May I ask the hon. Home r*ifnfc< % «T? VnTTT'T^t ti^ei I Minister whether he can at least give instructions or write to all the Chief ^ I fvn^l^ TFT fa^T ff I W+l Vtt Ministers conveying to them the feel­ U^TH t I ^TTT STTWT 3T ings of this House regarding ithose f ^ f t W1 >*i ieH h i I *1^1 ^ I atrocities and asking them not only to q ^ fa q el tT^: i t t f t z % ^T dfl+L ^ t t 5^T ?^ t 'doni ^ I All the Cut Motions, except No. 41*. were put and negatitfedm

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I shall ?At *jeT tft 3rr#‘ ^rsrf *rf t ^ now put Cut Motion No. 41, moved by t *rr ^rar^r ^rr «tt i Shri Vayalar Ravi, to the vote of the ^t ^FeTT I fa ^ ^ ^ House.

e^rftr tft |; ^ r ^ st ^ tt *meft The question is: 5> »r£ ^t i ^ n : % *nr% m fa ff ?T - “That the Demand under the *rnfit *trt^ ^ft *tct ^ | ^rfa^r Head Ministry of Home Affair* b® ^rt ^rnft fS tr ^mr ^nr ^ tf Reduced by Rs. 100. (Failure to

^ r sp^T ?htt ^tF rft ^ protect the Harijans from ihe M\^Si -ql^eli g I atrocities.)” C41) 383 D.G. 1977-78 of JULY 13, 1977 Min. of Home Affairs

The Lok Sabha divided: Tombi Singh, shri N. Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P. Divisaqn No. 5] Venkataraman, Shri R.

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NOES AYES Ahmed Hussain, Shri Ahmad, Shri Halimuddin Alagesan. Shri O. V. Ahuja. Shri Subhash Austin, Dr. Henry Amin, Prof. R. K. Balakrishniah, Shri T. Ansari. Shri Faquir Ali Banatwalla. Shri G. M. Argal, Shri Chhabiram Bhakta, Shri Manoranjan Arif Beg, Shri Chandrappan, Shri C. K. Bagri, Shri Mani Ram Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao Bal, Shri Pradyumna Chettri, Shri K. B. Balbir Singh, Chowdhry Damor, Shri Somjibhai Barkataki, Shrimati Renuka Devi Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Bashir Ahmad, Shri Taleiro, Shri Eduardo Batesnwar Hemram, Shri Gopal, Shri K. Berwa Shri Ram Kanwar Kalyanasundaram, Shri M. Bhara4 Bhushan, Shri Karan Singh. Dr. Birendra Prasad, Shri Khan, Shri Ismail Hossain Borole. Shri Yashwant Kodiyan, Shri P. K. Brahm Perkash, Chaudhury Koiur, Shri Rajshekhar Chand Ram, Shri Kristinappa, Shri M. V. t ■■ Chandrayati, Shrimati Kunhambu, Shri K. Charan Singh, Chaudhuri V>akkappa. Shri K. Chaturhhuj, Shri \,askar, shri Nihar Chaturvedi, Shri Shambhu Nath Weduri. Shri Nageswara Rao Chaudhary. Shri Motibhai R. Murugaiyan, Shri S. G. Chaudhary, Shri Rudra Sen Hair, Shri M. N. Govindan Chauhan, Shri Nawab Singh Nair, Shri N. Sreekantan , Chavda. Shri K. S. Vradhani, Shri K. Dandavate, Prof. Madhu t Vullaiah, Shri Darur Dawn. Shri Raj Krishna Qureshi, Shri Mohd. Shaft Deshmukh, Shri Ram Prasad Rao, Shrimati B. Radhabai Ananda Dhandayuthapani, Shri V. Bavi, Shri Vayalar Dharia, Shri Mohan Reddy, Shri K. Obul Dhurve, Shri Shyamlal Beddy Shri K. Vijaya Bhaskara Digvijoy Narain Singh, Shri i *. - Jt* $athe, Shri Vasant Durga Chand. Shri c i i Shinde, Shri Annasaheb P- Ganga Bhakt Singh, Shri Stephen, Shri C. M. Ganga Singh, Shri Suryanarayana, Shri K. GattanL, Shri R. D. 3 D.G. 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 ( SAKA) Min. o/ Home Affairs

Gowda, Shri Sr. Nanjesha Parmar, Shri Natwarlal B.

Sinha, Shri Puma MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; The result* Sinha, Shri Satyendra Narayan of the division is: Somani, Shri S- S- Ayes: 40; Noes: 153. Sum an, Shri Surendra Jha Suraj Bhan, Shri The motion was negatived. Surendra Bikram, Shri MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I shall Swamy, Dr. Subramaniam Swatantra, Shri Jagannath Prasad now put Demands Nos. 51 to 61 to the Tej Pratap Singh, Shri vote of the House. The question is: Tiwari, Shri Brij Bhushan Tiwary, Shri D. N. * "“That the respective sums not Trwary* Shri Madan exceeding the amounts on Revenue Tur, Shri Mohan Singh Account and Capital Account shown Tayagi, Shri Om Prakash in the fourth column of the Order Ugrasen, Shri Paper be granted to the President Vaghela, Shri Shankersinhji out of the Consolidated Fund of Vajpayee, Shri Atal Bihari India to complete the sums necessary Verma, Shri Chandradeo Prasad to defray the charges that will come Verma, Shri R. L. P. Verma, Shri Raghunath Singh in course of payment during the Verma, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad year ending the 31st day of March, .Yadav, Shri Hukmdeo Narain 1978, in respect of the heads of Yadav, Shri Jagdambi Prasad demands entered in the second column Yadav, Shri Narsingh thereof against Demands Nos. 51 to Yadav, Shri Ramji Lai 61 relating to the Ministry of Home Yadava, Shri Roop Nath Singh Affairs. Yadvender Dutt, Shri Yuvraj, Shri The motion was adopted.

•The following Members also recorded their votes: AYES: Sarvshri Dhirendranath Basu, Kusuma Krishna Murthy. and Jalagam Kondala Rao. NOES: Sarvshri Vinayak Prasad Yadav, Iqbal Singh Dhillon, Hari- shankar Mahale, Sushil Kumar Dharaf Surath Bahadur Shah, Ram Charan «n d Shrimati Mrinal Gore. 389 D G- 1977-78 of ASADHA 22, 1899 ( SAKA) Min. of Home Affairs 390

^De mands for Grants, 1977-78 in respect of Ministry of Home Affairs voted ly Lck Sabha

Amount of Demand for Amout of Demand for No. of Name of Demand Grant on account voted Grant voted by the House by the House on Demand 30-3-1977

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51. Ministry of Home AfTairs 87,62,000 .. 1,75,24,000 •• 52. Cabinet , j ■] 64,73*000 1,24,45,000 • •

53. Department of Pesonnel and Administrative Reforms 2,73,08,000 .. 3*83*84,000 • •

54. Police • 70,50,83,000 2,16,67,000 I39*03*” »000 40,33,33,000

55. Census • • • 1,26,79*000 2,53,59,000

56. Other Expenditure of the Ministry of Home 52,34*16,000 i9,39>5S,ooo 104.182.000 32,36,79,000 Affairs •

57. Delhi 44,13,68,000 26,47,00,000 88.21.86.000 52,93,99,000

58. Chandigarh • ■ 6,51,58,000 3*13*76,000 13*03*17*000 6,27,53,000

59. Andman and Nicobar Islands • • 7,74,24,000 3*77*87*000 15,42,47,000 7*41,75>ooo

60. Dadra and Nagar Haveli 78,96,000 70,04,000 i*57,92,ooo 1,40,09,000

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w nr m il'll ^ far w + i < nm % f»r jfir 1 401 Rise in prices :399 Rise -in prices JULY 13, 1977 of Essential 400 Commodities (H.A.H. Dis.) ~.~ SHRI K. LAKKAPP A (Turn! ~10 ~~lm ~ltl~- (iRi~T) : it +i?rT , ^TfT *ftT fa-flTfrrft 1 3J«r VPT spt ft, ?ft«r5rr ft, ?^ft cRf Ir fa-r^^rft srstarct ffcft | ?ft ftr'S nr- srfrrft %5 ^ Tfr I I t ?>jff ^5 35TT % %3 «RcTT ^>T ^3% ft, JTf CTPT •TfV f»T% |IT I srh: Tt^T f*T5T 5JZ t, «ft Jf 3HrTT ^"t | 1 5f *rffsfta H^t 3ft fr *if 5T’ % % ?>ft | I IT? tRVTTT rfr^T ''IHHT "M 1^11 g — 'PTT ^fT T^pft Sr a r^ *rf, ^ iriw h?jt T^Ttr^ f%^rrf Pp wtt^ ^r ?R^rtt Its ?*r ^'tft, ^TfT, ^5T Wft 5PTTO f^rcr %5 ?TSf I pp q-f fa-flT^rrtt *r % f r r * *r + r > «to¥it tft | wtr 5tj spr JrrsfteK JTT-iTT^lft VnrTT *ft I I iTit 1 w»n: t q ft *T%*ft I | eft t 6 STT% ^T% 5ftrff % spjPTI fti' ^Tf 4lef[ JT^t *T? W'lM cTTf ’H'l'-l I 'doi ^5 ^ | #*T TTf 5TT ^wil -Ml^dl g I # f s |, tft?^ arftJiT *ft farr MR. CHAIRMAN: Rule 55 pro­ # 5 | f t : ^ T T t S « T € t tf T I ?cT% 5T?*T vides that those who obtain priority, fatft ^r ^frf f c r ^ f t Hift four persons, they alone can be al­ | h tst srrm ^fr s k ?r fareT snwf lowed to ask questions. The rest are not allowed. Then the difficulty ^rt, 'fPT ^5 *nj I %fipT Sf will be that half an hour dis­ «qi« ^st% ^1% vt ^tt cussion will be prolonged and Hrr^aT g 1 f ^ f t nT-farirsTTt more time will be consumed. I request hon. Members like Tt *ra Htn aft ^ §ir 5ftn Kachavaiya end others not to rise in f^r % wil was one of the persons who did not fr»TT | I get priority. Only four persons are allowed and the names are there. I am sorry I cannot alio w others. 6 h r n 7 ot% ft^ ¥t wm- The hon. Minister will reply now.. *rt # ar^rtt *rk fa- (Interruptions) Rules do not permit 407 ii* prices JULY 13, 1977 of Essential 40& Commodities (H.A.H. Dis.) others. Let us listen to the hon. Minis­ Rs. 670 crores during that year and ter now. v therefore, the Finance Minister has taken care to see that in the year 1977- THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE 78, it is of the order of only Rs. 70 AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ crores. The increase in the money OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- supply was of . the order of RIA); Sir, I entirely share the con­ 17 per cent, while the increase cern of the hon. Members and parti­ in national income was hardly cularly my esteemed colleague Shri 2 per cent and this was one of the Mani Ram Bagri that when this im­ reasons. There are certain areas like portant issue is being discussed, the oilseeds where the production has suf­ attendance in the House is nearly neg­ fered. The production of groundnuts ligible. It is one of the matters of came down from 70 lakh tonnes to 50 great concern for the country that the lakh tonnes. The production of cot- prices haye gone up. Even though th-a ten came down from 70 lakhs of b al* articles are available in the country, to nearly 58 lakhj of tale*. In many the prices are prohibitive and Natu­ areas, I can quote the figures. rally it is iftTt possible for the com­ Regarding pulses tftij House mon man to get them at reasonable perhaps, be aware that fhe pro­ prices. Therefore, I look at this issue duction has remained in between with all seriousness. 11 million tonnes and 12 million tonnes in spite of the constant rise of population in the last twelve years, lt was only in 1975 that the production When we discussed the demands of has gone beyond 12 million tonnes. my Ministry, I had dealt with several .Otherwise, it has never gone beyond questions that have been raised just that. now and you may perhaps recollect that almost all these questions were put by the Members in their speeches In the field of Research and Deve­ and I had replied to them at great lopment, we have not made that dent length. It is true that even after May which we should have and the pro­ 1977, the prices have gone up. I do not duction of pulses has remained qs it want to go into the figures, but I can was before ten years while the popu­ bring to the notice of the House that lation and demand have gone up con­ in the year 1976, in between March siderably. and June, while the rise in prices was of the order of 5.5 per cent, during the same period in 1977 it has been I do not want to defend. I do not of the ordeT of 2.7 per cent. Sir, all want to treat this issue of prices, par­ possible efforts are being made to ticularly those of the essential com­ contain the prices. But I would like modities and articles which are to be the hon. Members to take into consi­ m vj? available to the people at large, deration the fact that even though a political issue. On the contrary, I there was Emergency, even though want to make it abundantly clear there were drastic measures taken by that it is the duty of any responsible the Government, there were inflation­ Government to make available the ary trends in the country. During the essential commodities to the common period of twelve .month?, March 1976 man at reasonable prices. I would to March ^1977, the pricey have gone like to assure the House on behalf up t?y nearly 12 per, cent. As I have of our Government, that we very already j indicated th$re are several much stand by this pledge and it is reasons for ithis. I would not^like to in this context that we have taken consume more time of the IJoiise. But up several measures, short-term mea- < it is very much true £ that 3fhe deficit sures, immediate, measures and long­ financing was of the prder of nearly r term measures. f 409 Risc in prices ASADHA 22, 1899 (SAKA) of Essential 410 Commodities (H.A.H. Dis.) I dealt with the Massive Distribu­ power available to Tamilnadu. Maha­ tion System in my earlier reply. rashtra is getting power from Andhra. Here, I would like to reiterate that Negotiations are going 0n with Kar­ when I speak of the Massive Distri­ nataka and so on. That is how we bution System, it is not the distribu­ are trying to take care of the cement tion system alone that I have in my plants, so far as the northern areas mind. What are the essential com­ are concerned, good monsoon has modities required by the country, certainly helped power generation. what is the likely growth of popula­ Some States have consented to my tion, to that extent what are the prio­ request that the power cut should rities that shall have to be given to not be made applicable to the cement their production, how do we pro­ industry. So, there are various areas duce those agricultural or industrial where we have operated and I am commodities, after production, hew sure all these will have an effect on shall be procure them, store cement production. It is true that them, transport them and distribute taking advantage of the scarce con­ them so that tHey are available to ditions, certain dealers did not make the common man at reasonable1 pri­ available cement at the prescribed ces—that is the main philosophy be­ rates. I request the Members of hind the massive distribution sys­ Parliament to get that information tem. I have made it clear that the from their constituencies and let me government' stands by it. Mr. Lak­ know who are those dealers and ac­ kappa will appreciate that it is only tion will be taken against them. Even a socialist government committed to the manufacturers have agreed that the common man that can accept the dealership of such dealers would that sort of programme and no lais- be cancelled. There are certain fac­ sez fdire economy will accept that tories against whom also complaints programme. We are very much con­ have been received. Mr Lakkappa cerned with the common man and so asked whether we are going to take far as that pledge to the' people is over those cement factories. We may concerned, there is no question of not take up the production, but if withdrawing from it. any cement industry misbehaves and does not make allocations to the deal­ ers as agreed to by them, under the Hon. members have raised several Essential Commodities Act, we shall, issues. Dr. Pandeya made many if necessary, take over the cement ■suggestions. I am very much with produced by that factory for distri­ him in what all he said and there is bution and the distribution will be nothing to dispute about it. It is true made by the Government. We shall that the production of cement had not deter from that. suffered because of shortage of power. In some States the shortage MR. CHAIRMAN: What about Mr. of power was of the order of 50 per Kachwai’s question that some dealers cent, 40 per cent, 30 per cent and so refuse to sell cement bags? on. So naturally, cement production r suffered because of shortage of SHRI MOHAN DHARIA:N Sir, good rains, for the current quarter— Sushilaji also raised the issue that July to September—it has been de­ under the Essential Commodities Act cided that instead of 18 per cent cut what is the action that we are go­ in cement supply, it will be of the ing to take. In Delhi, as it was order of 15 per cent and in days to rightly pointed out by Sushilaji here, come it may be possible to reduce it the Delhi Administration has made further. I took up the matter with that much of oil available. Then why all the Chief Ministers concerned. did it n o t reach the customers? Wherever power was available, I had Under the Essential Commodities Act negotiations. Kerala made their which is now in force in the coun- 4 11 Rise in prices JULY 13, 1977 of Essential 4iz Commodities (H.A.H. Dis.) [Shri Mohan Dharia] should be maximum from the bor­ try, the powers are delegated to the rowers’ end and minimum from the State GoveTnments including Delhi bankers’ end. We have made it very Administration and I would like to clear. But may be some undue ad­ appeal that all the State Govern­ vantages under this or that pretext ments and the Union Territories, might be taken and here we would those who are enjoying adequate very much like to enquire into and powers, should immediately apply take whatever action is possible. these provisions and should take de­ terrent steps under this very Act it­ Sir, it has been said regarding the self. I have been requesting the smuggling of the various articles. State Governments, but they are not doing it. 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We would like to freeze the prices. Lastly, I would like to assure this But, as 1 have said, freezing the price r House that the Government js very at the present level is freezing the much concerned about this, but we agonies of the people. What I want would like to have your co-operation is the lowering of the prices. There­ also. If you want to strengthen the fore, the policy of the Government is whole massive distribution system, it absolutely clear. We would very is not possible for the Government to much like’ to lower the prices. I have ;ts own shops to run them. So, would like to assure the House that we would like to have the co-opera- the Government is very much enga­ tive sector strengthened. If the hon. ged in taking all possible steps to see Members could create a network of that the prices art brought down. co-operatives in their constituencies, it will g0 a long way in creating and It is true that we have created an perfecting that system. Therefore, atmosphere of trust in the minds of the involvement of the people, Mem­ the business community. But if some­ bers of Parliament and the elected body is under the impression that representatives is equally relevant, so liberty js licence, it will not be al­ far as price rise is concerned. I am lowed. In this regard, after the em­ sure it is possible for the Govern­ ergency we again do not want that ment, with the co-operation of all, atmosphere of terrorism m the coun­ not only to contain the prices butjj try. Therefore, we veTy much want also to see that esser^tial commodi-1 that atmosphere of mutual trust and tjes and articles are available to the understanding. So, if there, were cer­ common man at cheaper prices. tain appeals by the Prime Minister and myself, we have committed no 19.48 hrs. wrong. They are very much in the interests of our country. Let good The Lok Sabha then adjourned till sense prevail over them. But if it Eleven of the Clock on Thursday, does not» in that case, we stand by July 14, 1977/Asadha 23, 1899 (Saka)

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