President Harry Truman Liked to Refer to His Wife, Bess, As the Boss
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CSPAN/FIRST LADIES BESS TRUMAN JUNE 9, 2014 11:34 a.m. ET SUSAN SWAIN, HOST: President Harry Truman liked to refer to his wife, Bess, as the boss. Family was her number-one priority. She had little to say to the media, destroyed many of her letters, and spent a good part of her White House years home in Missouri. Bess Truman served as first lady on her own terms. Good evening, and welcome to C-SPAN's continuing series, "First Ladies: Influence and Image.” Tonight, the story of the wife of the 33rd president of the United States, Bess Truman. Here to tell us more about her are two guests. We're very pleased to welcome back to our set Bill Seale, who is a White House historian. His latest book is called "The Imperial Season," coming out on November 12th. A little plug for you there, Bill. WILLIAM SEALE, AUTHOR: Yes, thank you. SWAIN: Nicole Anslover is a history professor and the author of a biography of Harry Truman called "The Coming of the Cold War.” Thanks for being here. Nice to meet you. NICOLE ANSLOVER, PROFESSOR OF HISTORY: Thank you. SWAIN: Well, where we left off last week was the death of Franklin Roosevelt. April 12, 1945, the call comes in to Harry Truman. Where is he? Then he gets the message that he's needed. ANSLOVER: He's having a drink with his cronies, as he was often want to do. He thought a lot of politics was accomplished by relaxing and having a somewhat more cordial atmosphere. And he received a phone call, and he said he just knew. And the story goes that he ran to get to his car and get to the White House. SWAIN: He was sworn in two hours later at the White House itself. SEALE: Yes. Yeah, Mrs. Roosevelt was at a luncheon at the Sulgrave Club, and they went and got her and didn't tell her anything. Steve Early told her when she got to the White House, the press secretary. But, you know, it wasn't a surprise to anyone in the White House at all. They knew Roosevelt was going. SWAIN: But no one suspected so quickly. SEALE: I think it was an issue of when. SWAIN: Eighty-two days. SEALE: Of when, because he looked horrible, you know, on the last campaign, and he had spoken to the Congress sitting down. And he was ashen. And his Inaugural Address for the fourth term had to be given from the White House. He was stood -- he was stood up on the north porch -- south portico. What am I saying? And the audience was out front. I mean, it was not really a surprise to anyone. I don't know why it was a surprise to President Truman. SWAIN: Well, two hours later, as we said, in the Cabinet Room at the White House, Harry Truman, joined by his family, took the oath of office delivered by Chief Justice Harlan Stone. How surprised was the nation? Did they knew who Harry Truman was? ANSLOVER: No. I mean, they knew he was the vice president. They knew his name. He had gotten some acclaim for his Truman Committee. He was a very admired senator within Washington. The general public, who's Harry Truman? Even his own mother was nervous for him. SWAIN: And what about Bess Truman? Where was she and how did she get to the White House so quickly and what do we know of her reaction? SEALE: She's with him there, I guess, in the apartment. I don't know. But, you know, Roosevelt -- it wasn't he didn't admire Truman. He approved him for vice president and thought it was a good idea. So as, you know, Nicole says, it was in Washington. He was well-known, but he wasn't a household word, and Roosevelt had been in for 13 years, you know? He was just a fixture, like a king or something, and the very idea of his declining, you know, most people didn't really understand that he couldn't walk. ANSLOVER: Right, he had kept that very well hidden. SWAIN: So the Trumans are now the first couple. As you said, the Roosevelts had been in the White House for 13 years. That's the longest stretch any president's ever been in the White House. How did the transition happen there? SEALE: Fourteen van-loads of furniture were taken out of Roosevelt things. Because of his condition and also Mrs. Roosevelt's nature, as you saw in the last show, they liked to have everything around them all the time. They were table people. And they had tables in front of things, and all his things were in easy reach, so there were just thousands of things, pictures, all sorts of things. And imagine what the Trumans faced when they went in there with these squares on the wall where pictures had been and the carpets taken up and the floors that jiggled like that. The transition was they only -- they had a little apartment in town and they took the piano from it. That's all they moved. SWAIN: Did they go immediately to the White House or did they spend some time at Blair House? SEALE: No, no. ANSLOVER: No. Well, the Trumans thought they could stay in their apartment until they moved into the White House. They offered Mrs. Roosevelt as much time as she needed. She took about two weeks, I think. But by then, the Trumans realized that security-wise they could not stay in their apartment, so they were living in Blair House. And I love the story that, as Eleanor Roosevelt watched them pack up the last of her belongings, she went across the street to Blair House to say goodbye to the Trumans and she warned Bess, watch out for the rates, because she and one of her female friends had seen a rat run across the terrace recently. SEALE: Of course, the White House was full of rats, and now she was -- I think it was Roosevelt... ANSLOVER: Right, so that was the Trumans' introduction to their new home. Bess and Margaret went over to take a tour, and they were appalled. SWAIN: So she was thrust into the job. Whatever Harry Truman's aspirations may or may not be, she was thrust into the job of first lady. Did she have any guidance from the outgoing first lady? ANSLOVER: Well, her first problem was that Eleanor Roosevelt had probably -- meaning well -- set up a press conference for Bess, because Eleanor had established the tradition, as you talked about last week, about press conferences. And Bess Truman went to the secretary of labor, Frances Perkins, and said, do I have to do that? Is it okay to set my own tone? And she was assured that she could do what she wanted. She put a lot of thought into it. And at the last minute, she decided that that was not something she was going to do and she never did hold a press conference. SEALE: And she sent Edith Helm. ANSLOVER: Yes. SEALE: Edith Helm was the old-time White House social secretary, went there with Mrs. Woodrow Wilson II. It was the second, right? ANSLOVER: Correct. SEALE: With Mrs. Woodrow Wilson and stayed through -- all through the Roosevelts, all through everything. She was Admiral Helm's wife and lived -- commuted a limousine from Leesburg everyday and she knew everything to do. She knew where the bodies were buried. She knew everything, and she handled the press conference. SWAIN: So the other thing we should establish early on is that the Trumans got their support from one another. ANSLOVER: They were a partnership 100 percent. SWAIN: Bess, Harry, and daughter, Margaret. ANSLOVER: Yes. SWAIN: And, in fact, ushers who worked in the White House described them as the closest-knit family that they had seen over the years. SEALE: Yes. SWAIN: Now, can you talk a little bit about what you know about how they interrelated with one another and how they supported one another? SEALE: Well, they remind me a lot of the Carters. They were together a lot and they liked to listen to music and they liked to read things, discuss things, and just enjoyed being together. And they were -- Margaret and the president were musical. And so they liked to listen to records and stuff like that, the same way the Carters did. And it was very much the same thing, I think. It's just intimate, personal upstairs, how they lived. SWAIN: Well, we're going to, as we do in this program, then go back in time and tell you a bit of the biography of this woman who came to serve as first lady. Before we do that, let me tell you how you can be involved in the program. If you've been watching our series, you know one of the things that makes us special and interesting are your comments. And there's three ways you can do that. One is by phone. We'll put the phone numbers on the screen and you can dial in throughout the program with your question or comment. You can also tweet us, @firstladies is our Twitter handle. And we have a conversation already underway at the C-SPAN Facebook page, and you'll see a photograph of the Trumans, and you could post a question there, and we'll try to work in as many of those as we can.