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DISCLAIMER Uno cial Hansard This transcript of Parliamentary proceedings is an uno cial version of the Hansard and may contain inaccuracies. It is hereby published for general purposes only. The nal edited version of the Hansard will be published when available and can be obtained from the Assistant Clerk (Editorial). THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Mabuse M. Pule, MP. (Mochudi East)

Clerk of the National Assembly - Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel - Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) - Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP. - President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) - Vice President Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP. (Molepolole South) - Administration

Hon. K. T. Mmusi, MP. (Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon. Dr L. Kwape, MP. (Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Goodhope-Mabule ) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon. K. S. Gare, MP. (Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation Hon. P. K. Kereng, MP. (Specially Elected) - and Tourism Hon. Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP. (Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon. T.M. Segokgo, MP. (Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. T. M. Rakgare, MP. (Mogoditshane) - Development

Hon. A. M. Mokgethi, MP. (Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon. Dr T. Matsheka, MP. (Lobatse) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP. (Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP. (Tati East) - Technology Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Hon. L. M. Moagi, MP. (Ramotswa) - Energy Security

Hon. P. O. Serame, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. M. Balopi, MP. (Gaborone North) - Development

Hon. M. Kgafela, MP. (Mochudi West) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Hon. D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP. (Gaborone South) - Public Administration Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP. (Specially Elected) - Development Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. S. N. Modukanele, MP. (Lerala -Maunatlala) - Development Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Hon. B. Manake, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP. (Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. N. W. T. Makwinja, MP. (Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education

Hon. M. S. Molebatsi, MP. (Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. H. B. Billy, MP. (Francistown East) - Development Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP. (Chobe) - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

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RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon. L. Kablay, MP. (Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. Specially Elected Hon. M. R. Reatile, MP. Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon. P. Majaga, MP. Nata-Gweta Hon. J. S. Brooks, MP. Kgalagadi South Hon. C. Greeff, MP. Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. T. Letsholo, MP. Kanye North Hon. T. F. Leuwe, MP. Takatokwane Hon. T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP. Gaborone Central Hon. S. N. Moabi, MP. Tati West Hon. T. Monnakgotla, MP. Kgalagadi North Hon. P. K. Motaosane, MP. Thamaga-Kumakwane Hon. O. Regoeng, MP. Molepolole North Hon. J. L. Thiite, MP. Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. D. Saleshando, MP. (Leader of the Opposition) Maun West Hon. A. Lesaso, MP. (Acting Opposition Whip) Shoshong Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP. Selebi Phikwe West Hon. Y. Boko, MP Mahalapye East Hon. Dr K. Gobotswang, MP. Sefhare-Ramokgonami Hon. C. K. Hikuama, MP. Ngami Hon. K. K. Kapinga, MP Okavango Hon. G. Kekgonegile, MP. Maun East Hon. P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP. Tonota Hon. T. B. Lucas, MP. Bobonong Hon. M. G. J. Motsamai, MP. Ghanzi South Hon. K. Nkawana, MP. Selebi Phikwe East Hon. O. Ramogapi, MP. Palapye Hon. Dr N. Tshabang, MP. Nkange Hon. D. Tshere, MP. Mahalapye West Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP. Francistown West (Botswana Patriotic Front) Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. Serowe West Hon. L. Lesedi, MP. Serowe South Hon. B. Mathoothe, MP. Serowe North (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP. Francistown South TABLE OF CONTENTS THE FIRST MEETING OF THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT THURSDAY 19 NOVEMBER, 2020

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QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE...... 17-23

Response to the President’s Speech Motion (Resumed Debate) ...... 1-16, 24-49

Thursday 19th November, 2020 RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT’S SPEECH Motion (Resumed Debate)

Thursday 19th November, 2020 been months, I have not been to the Office of Labour in Mahalapye, I do not even think he knows the officer’s THE ASSEMBLY met at 11:00 a.m. name I am referring to, nor has he ever taken any steps (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) to call this officer to order. He has remained mute about this issue for the past three or so months. I am here, the P R A Y E R S people are crying in Mahalapye.

* * * * Gompieno jaana, ke dumalana le Honourable Reatile RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT’S gore Office ya Labour go lebega e sena meno jaaka a SPEECH bua. Jaaka ke ne ke bua gore ke tsile ke hutsafetse ke tswa Mahalapye, ke akanya gore, ke gore fa e le gore ke Motion le Mopalamente wa Mahalapye ke bo ke kopa thuso ya (Resumed Debate) mofuta o mo Ofising ya Labour, ba bo ba nthaya jaana, batho ba Mahalapye ba ba raya ba reng? Go raya gore MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Order! Order! batho ba Mahalapye ba sweletse. Jaanong ke dumalana Honourable Members, the debate on this Motion le Honourable Reatile gore Officee ya Labour go lebega is resuming. When the House adjourned yesterday, e neetse tshwene marapo. Fa batho ba mpolelela, Office Honourable Tshere was on the floor, and he was left ya Labour e ja le batho ba ba hirang, bogolo jang ba with 29 minutes 6 seconds. re ba bitsang borampeetšhane ba. Gape fa ba biletswa kwa Labour Office, in most cases they do not show MR TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): Thank you up, mme bana ba ba felela ba kobiwa mo ditirong. Ga very much Honourable Speaker. Maabane fa nako e go na ope who is paying attention. It is a vacuum kwa tšhaya, ke ne ke digela puo ya me ka office ya labour Department of Labour. Ga ba dire sepe mo dikgannyeng kwa Mahalapye, gore ke yone ya ntlha ke e bona e re ke tse. Therefore, I agree with Honourable Reatile. This ba kwaletse ke ba raya ke re ke batla go tla koo ka gore department should be dissolved in entirety so that a ke na le mathata a ke a tshwereng le batho ba kgaolo more worker centric organisation can be erected in its e, e bo e re phetolo fa e tla, ba bo ba nthaya ba re ke place. That is my submission Mr Speaker. kope authorisation from the Commissioner of Labour Let me move quickly to other issues because I have three mo Gaborone. Ke bua ke le kwa Mahalapye, officer other important issues that I want to share with this a mpolelela jalo. Golo moo go ne ga ntshwenya Mr House. Ke batla go feta ka e fela ya Integrated Support Speaker... Programme for Arable Agriculture Development MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR (ISPAAD). Ke setse ke lemogile mo Ntlong e Mr PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT Speaker, fa ke ntse fa gore fa Goromente a batla go (MR BALOPI): On a point of clarification Mr Speaker. iphitlha ka monwana, o tlaabo a re, ‘I am reviewing,’ and Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, ke tshwenngwa you will never get the results of the review. Gompieno ke mafoko a a buiwang ke Mopalamente wa Mahalapye jaana on paragraph 42… West Honourable Tshere, gore e le Mopalamente, e le MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR moemedi wa batho kwa Mahalapye a setse tse ba di PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT tlhokang morago, gore a bo a kile a tewa gotwe a kope (MR BALOPI): Procedure. Mr Speaker, I do not permission gore a kope thuso kwa Ofising ya Labour e think it would be procedural for me to be present in le lephata le ke le eteletseng pele, ga se ka fa re dirang this House, Mopalamente a bua ka ofisi ya lephata le ka teng. Ke tsaya ke re re tlaa dira gore o bone ba labour ke romilweng kwa go lone, mme e bile ke sa kgone go o bue ka batho ba o ba emetseng ka dikgang tsa bone sedimosetsa ba a ba emetseng ka fa re dirang ka teng re kwa Ofising ya Labour Rre Tshere. I apologise on their le ofisi. Go tlaabo go lebega e kete se a se buang ke se se behalf. I do not know what informed their decision. We tshwanetseng go diragala e bile ke maikaelelo a lephata will rectify that. Thank you. le ke le emetseng. Fa o ntetlelela Mr Speaker, gongwe MR TSHERE: Thank you Honourable Minister. ke ka tsibogela ka mo thusa gore a se ka a boelela gape Honourable Speaker, mma ke go bolelele fa gore ga se mafoko a a a buileng kana a tlhoka go thusiwa kwa lantlha ke bua le Honourable Balopi ka kgang e. It has kgaolong jaaka a sa thusiwa.

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MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, order! Order! thobo e bile ISPAAD ga e yo ngwaga o? ISPAAD e As I understand Honourable Tshere, he is saying what teng, you are misleading the nation to think gore ga e happened to him, how he was treated by the Labour yo e bile ga re a bua sepe ntswa guidelines di le teng e office in Mahalapye, the only thing that can be done is bile re ntse re tsweletse re tlhalosetsa Batswana gore go for you to listen, find out and deal with it as you know berekega jang until review. I thank you Mr Speaker. the proper procedure as the Minister. There is nothing un-procedural in the House. MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Minister, I think you have misunderstood him. He is referring to the LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR President’s speech about what is to be done regarding SALESHANDO): Point of order. Mr Speaker, gongwe ISPAAD. That is the bone of contention as far as I o digele ka go gakolola Honourable Balopi gore le understand him. So, there is nothing out of procedure. Standing Orders ga di letle gore a boelele se a neng a leka go se dira. O kile a re o kopa clarification; fa e pala MR TSHERE: Thank you very much Honourable a bo a fetola a re procedure, a pateletsa gore go nniwe fa Speaker. Mo go ya ISPAAD, maabane re letse re fatshe. Go na le Standing Orders tse di kganelang gore kgona go bona gore tota Domkrag ga e na lenaneo le go dirwe jalo, gongwe o mo gakolole gore a se ka a le tsepameng. Ba ne ba tswa fa maabane ba re nnyaa, tlhola a boelela. fa o adimile tshimo o se ka wa lemelwa, fa go emelela Mapalamente a le mararo, a le mane fela a bua, ba tlaabo MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! I am sure Honourable ba fetola (change). Ke batla re lebagana le e jaanong Balopi knows that. ka gore re tlaabo re lemela batho, le ba ba adimilweng masimo, re lebagane le ya go fokotsa ditema. Kwa ga MR TSHERE: Thank you Honourable Speaker. Ke rona kwa Mahalapye fa o dirile jaana, ra re you have wele mo go ya ISPAAD, gore gantsi fa Goromente a halved ditema, how do you halve them mo nakong ya batla go iphitlha ka monwana o tlaabo a re, “we are still COVID-19, mo leubeng le le kanakana? E bo e le gore reviewing,” just like he did on the State of the Nation you halve ditema, batho ba ya go lemelwa ditema tse Address (SONA). His Excellency the President talked nne go tswa kwa go tse five; mme di ntse di sa lekane. about ISPAAD on Paragraph 42, gore it is under Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, fa e le gore re review and e tlaa tla ka 2021. Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo ya go boela kwa go four, ke ipotsa gore go diragala eng, tsa Palamente, ke a ipotsa gore batho ba Mahalapye mme ke Puso which claims go rata Batswana. O ka rata ba tlaabo ba ja eng fa re santse re bua ka review ya Batswana jang tota fa e le gore ka nako ya leuba le le kana wena you halve ditema? Kgang e e a tshwenya ISPAAD, ka nako ya gompieno dipula di na? Re eletsa thata Mr Speaker. gore gompieno Goromente o ka bo a bua a tsepame gore o ya go thusa jang batho go epa disana mo tshimong, go Se sengwe, ke batla go bua le Honourable Manake lema, to plant, go ntsha mohero, go roba le ka dikgang wa Agriculture, gongwe le wa Lephata la Ditsha. Kwa tse di amang go rekisa thobo ya bone ka ditlhwatlhwa tse Mahalapye ga re ise re sege ditsha tse di šha tsa masimo; di amogelesegang kwa Marketing Board. Re solofetse ke a mogologolo a a fa tlase ga metse, jaanong motse gore Goromente o ka bo a bua jaana a ntsha madi a a o godile o atumetse masimo, fa o lema; tshenyo e ntsi. lebaganeng le balemi ba gotweng ba jela mo ganong ba I want to appeal today gore re segele batho masimo under 150 hectares… a mašha. Fa o sa itse gore o ka tsaya kae ditsha kwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure Mr Mahalapye, a re ngathe 350 hectares mo Morale Farms Speaker. re abele batho. It is ample land, it is not even 10 per cent of the land e e teng koo. MR TSHERE: Ke bone ba re ba batlang, ba ke tsayang gore Goromente o ka bo a bua a le mo go bone. Se sengwe, ke ne ke kile ka bua gore… Gompieno fa re bua jaana, Goromente… MR BOKO: Elucidation. Thank you Honourable ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL Tshere, o bua dikgang tsa kgaolo ya rona tota. Fa o bua DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MS ka Morale Farms, gongwe o tlhalosetse Ntlo e gape gore MANAKE): Procedure. Thank you Mr Speaker. A go ke lefatshe le letona le le underutilised fa re bua jaana. tlaabo go le mo tseleng gore Honourable Tshere a bo Go dirisiwa sekitinyana se se nnyennyanenyana mme a sedimosetsa setšhaba as if ga go dirwe sepe, ga gona batho ba tlhoka enough land for masimo le bonno, mme

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lefatshe le letona, le feteletse mme ga go dirwe sepe ka because had he watched the latest statistics, he would lone. Ke a leboga. have seen that crime is rising. O ka bo o buile ka kgang e ya borukutlhi. Re apesitswe kobo ka letshoba ke MR TSHERE: Thank you Honourable Boko, and I dikgang tse di amang borukutlhi kwa Mahalapye Mr know gore you know exactly what I am talking about. Speaker. We appreciate se mapodise a lekang go se dira. Le fa ke re 350 hectares, ke lemmenyana fela, o tlaabo o ntse o sadisitse le lentsi kwa agriculture. A re abeleng HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. batho bo five hectares bao ba kgone go lema ba ijese, gompieno jaana ga gona tsela ya go dira. I am also MR TSHERE: What could be the interventions? pleading with you Honourable Manake gore, please Goromente o tshwanete a sekaseke ka fa re dirang review subsidy ya ISPAAD to the fact that you can criminal justice system ka teng. bring almost 80 per cent subsidy. Fa o tlhwaafetse gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Motlotlegi ke kopa o thuse Batswana, then come up with it. Fa o re 50 per tlhaloso. cent, gompieno jaana kwa Mahalapye we have seen that cluster fencing is failing e bile gape… MR TSHERE: Efforts should be made to divert some of the funds that we are using go aga dikgolegego, go HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... di oketsa, go oketsa fences tsa dikgolegelo jaaka re ne MR TSHERE: No, ga o itse sepe ka Mahalapye, go re bona go dirwa kwa Mahalapye maloba, ka madi a a raya gore ga o ise o ko o tle, ga o itse gore e reteletswe hakgamatsang. We should start to divert those funds to (failed) jang, mme fela it has failed, ga gona batho ba not only building such prisons and keeping people in ba teratelelang ka bokete jo re neng re bo solofeditswe. prison… Fa e le gore it is failing gore batho ba ikgobokanye, then HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification sir. help individuals to produce enough food. MR TSHERE: …but rather invest money in HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of correction! development of programmes and services that addresses MR TSHERE: Ga ke na nako honourable, mme ke the underlying cause of crime, which results in high kgang e o e utlwileng, jaaka o review, increase subsidy prison numbers in the first place. That is what we should to 80, 75 per cent so that batho ba leme. be doing…

Dikgang tse tharo tse ke batlang go di lebaganya le HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification sir. Palamente, tota ke tsone tse ke batlang go tla ka tsone MR TSHERE: Divert some of those funds. Crime mo puong ya me ya gompieno. Ya ntlha ke e e amang statistics in Mahalapye Mr Speaker, I will give you borukutlhi jo bo feteletseng. Mo speech gagwe, true to Honourable Moswaane, just a minute. Crime statistics the character of the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP), e re bontsha gore at times, these type of crimes go up at Tautona e rile a bua, a bo a iphitlha ka monwana gape. night. When night falls, the people of Mahalapye are not On paragraphs 214 and 215, the President literally safe. So we encourage people in Mahalapye to do all praised himself about reduction in crime in the country, the neighbourhood watches and all initiatives tse di ka but stating 2018 and 2019 statistics, when he was just thusang mapodise. Most importantly, as a citizen and a taking over from the former President Ian Khama. He villager, we should be able to help police officers, give started boosting about numbers which are two years old. them information so that they can protect us. Today crime rate is very high, not only in Mahalapye ka gore fa ke bala jaana, ke lemoga gore go lefatshe There is no way Honourable Balopi, o nna o bona ka bophara. Mr Speaker, kwa Mahalapye fela, in the basimanyana ba kgobokana fa gate ya gago and not say month of October re ne ra bona incidents; la ntlha re anything. Kamoso basimanyana bale ba bolaile motho. fitlhetse motho a tlhokafetse a tseetswe dilo tsa gagwe, So we need to report these things to the police. the following weekend, the same thing happened to a 74 year old woman kwa Kgotleng ya White City and Bail out; Jaaka nkgonne kwa Serowe Honourable the following weekend, it happened again to an elderly Autlwetse, a re le metsi a a leswe a ka tima molelo, ke businesswoman in Mowana Ward. These incidents tse dumalana le ene. Batho ba Mahalapye ga ba dumalane re buang ka tsone, reflect other incidents that happened Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ka kgang e ya in the country, that the President simply chose to ignore bail out. Gangwe le gape re a ba tlhalosetsa ka tsetlana ya

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Molaomotheo gore kana wa re ga o ka ke wa nna guilty Leader of the House gore lets us prioritise Mmamabula- o ise o seke. Ke kopa mo go Tona yo o lebaganyeng Lephalale railway line and expedite it knowing that e le tsone dikgang tse tsa judicial system gore a ko re emisitse production. lebelele, re fefose dikgang tse di kwa Kgotleng. Se sengwe Honourable Leader of the House, because Kana gompieno jaana ga go thuse sepe gore fa e le gore I do not see the Minister here, I wanted to remind them gatwe motho ke yo o bolaile motho, a bo a tswa, a tla go why they are in Mahalapye. nna five to six years a le kwa ntle a emetse tsheko. Gone moo ke gone mo go jesang banni disaweleng, ka gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… jaanong ba nna le the accused. Fa e ne e le gore re ne re MR TSHERE: Ke ne ke sa go bone nkgonne. ka fefosa thulaganyo ya go seka le go atlhola dikgang tse, go ne go ka re thusa thata Mr Speaker. Ke gone mo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa. ke kopang Honourable Mmusi gore, e se ka ya re re mo MR TSHERE: Nnyaa, ke tlile go go e fa jaanong e, ke thusa, le ene a bo a repisa. Honourable Moswaane, you batla intervention ya gago. I want to remind you why wanted to say something before I move on. you are in Mahalapye, because your ministry is a bit MR MOSWAANE: Clarification. Thank you bigger but Botswana Railways (BR) in particular was Honourable Member of Parliament. O e tshwere sentle. moved to Mahalapye for a specific purpose at that time. Ke go utlwa sentle o bua ka ditsholofetso tse di sa It was to help regenerate the economy of Mahalapye. diragaleng, ke bo ke gopola Baebele, ya re, “o se ka wa That was its purpose and study shows that it did exactly ikanela lefela.” E bo e boa gape e re, “setlhare se se sa that fa e goroga. ungweng se a kgaolwa.” Mo nakong ya gompieno, mo ditsholofetso tse di tsweletseng di sa diragadiwe e bile E ne ya re Botswana Railways e goroga, economy ya re tshela boima go feta dingwaga tsotlhe, a ga o bone Mahalapye e ne ya tsholetsega significantly Mr Speaker, e le nako ya gore setlhare se se sa ungweng sa BDP se and you can clearly see this evidence on the census for kgaolwe? Thank you. 2011 and going backwards. You will see that the census prior to 2011, Mahalapye population was increasing at MR TSHERE: Ke a leboga Honourable Moswaane. a certain rate which was promising and exponentially Setlhare se se sa ungweng se a kgaolwa. Jaanong re growing. That was the population of Mahalapye. Today emetse go se kgaola ka 2024. in 2020, it shows minimal growth. The population of Mme ke wele mo kgannyeng ya bobedi e ke neng ke batla Mahalapye increased minimally and it is very clear from these statistics that when BR was going well, Mahalapye gore re lebagane le yone, ya rail transport. Honourable was also doing well. When BR became stagnant, the Segokgo is probably here and the President reflected population of Mahalapye became stagnant and that is on it minimally on Paragraph 77, a bua ka Mosetse- what is happening. So the Honourable Minister does not Kazungula railway line le Mmamabula-Lephalale see what he is doing. Over and above running a railway railway line. A di bua e le dilo tse di lekanang kana a di line, ga a lemoge gore o rwele boikarabelo jwa gore a lekanya, a bo a boa a bua gore feasibility study ya tsone tlhabolole economy ya motse wa Mahalapye. It is by e tlaa fela ka September 2021. design by this Government. Re bua jaana BR e ka bo e Mr Speaker, ke na le lesokolela mo kgannyeng e, kgang setse e dirile thulaganyo ya gore ba baakanye diterena, ya Mosetse-Kazungula railway line, ke a e itse, ke a e ba thule matoroko assemble matoroko, refurbish, ba dire bona, e botlhokwa, but I think we are failing to prioritise maintenance. Ke gore a high class technology workshop here. Kgang ya Mmamabula-Lephalale railway line e that can work with trains and locomotives. E ka bo e tswa kgakala, gone jaana re santse re bua ka feasibility setse e dirilwe kwa Mahalapye. Nkabo e re ka 7: 30 go study. Utlwa fela! Re a itse gore kgang e ya Mmamabula- iwa tirong, e bo go na le traffice e yang kwa firmya BR Lephalale railway line e emisitse production. E emisitse kwa Mahalapye. mine kwa Mahalapye le Mmamabula. E emisitse HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Inaudible)… ditiro tsa batho, ba emetse gore mine o bulwe, then you prioritise it in the same manner with the Mosetse- MR TSHERE: Gone jaana. Le sekole sa railways. Kazungula railway line, which is not stopping any Railways is not doing anything and I think it is because production at the moment. I plead with you Honourable the Minister does not understand…

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Mozambique. Kgang e o tshwanetse gore o e tsweledise honourable, re itse gore go diregile jang ka terena ya MR TSHERE: Mme gone setlhare sa teng ke santse ke rona, re bo re tla go neelwa sekgoropa. na le tshepho mo go sone. Ke sone se o bonang ke leka go se baakanya. Ke a se beta jaaka ke riana. MR TSHERE: Thank you very much honourable. Kgang e ke batlang go wela ka yone mo nakong e setseng HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… e tsamaile, ke e e amang bana. President fa a bua in his MR TSHERE: Ka re ke tlile go simolola mo speech, o buile ka Early Childhood Education, but he Palamenteng gore ke bue thata, e bile ke botse dipotso said nothing about childhood development. Childhood thata mabapi le dikgang tse ke buang ka tsone tse. Fa development is a major issue Mr Speaker. It is amongst gongwe I get very shocked. our Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) SDG number 3; “health for all ages, not only for all, but for HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. all ages” and I want to highlight children under the age of five today. According to United Nations Children’s MR TSHERE: I will give you honourable. I get very Fund (UNICEF) in a report published on the 24th April shocked sometimes. Ke tlaabo ke bona Botswana 2017; 31 per cent of children in Botswana are stagnant. Railways e re jaanong re a go aga mall kwa Francistown kana Gaborone. Come on! You are there for Mahalapye, That represent almost one in three of the children in o kile wa bona kae SPEDU kwa Selebi Phikwe e tla e re Botswana. Ga ke itse gore ka Setswana re a reng, kwa ke bone lucrative investment kwa Francistown, therefore Mahalapye ra re, o nabile, ga ba a gola. Then you I am moving. It is there by design, to make business and wonder why re na le batlhoki. You wonder why, when change the livelihood of the people of Selebi Phikwe… you have one in three. The President previously on the State of the Nation Address talked about, “hey! I HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… will bring a policy where no child will be left behind.” No child left behind policy, hey! we have one in three MR TSHERE: …as much as Botswana Railways children left behind here. Re na le batlhoki ba kamoso. is there in Mahalapye to improve and regenerate the So this is a concern Mr Speaker. It reminds me…I have economy of Mahalapye. So we are failing there, and this a child… is what I will do. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Tshere, try to keep to the Lastly... language.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. MR TSHERE: Sorry! sorry! Mr Speaker, Ke na le MR TSHERE: You will get in. Lastly, we are waiting ngwana yo o ka fa tlase ga dingwaga tse five years, for an investigation report of the derailment of the train mme ga ke gakologelwe ke mo isitse sekaleng go na that happened last year near Mahalapye, that killed the le Tsabana, le pele ga COVID-19. Ga gona Tsabana lives of two people. We are waiting for it because we and we have issues like this. Ga gona nutritional food want to implement the recommendation of that report. I that is earmarked to improve the nutrition of children will give you Honourable Lesaso. under the age of five. Ke bua ka bana ba santseng ba ya sekaleng Mr Speaker. Gompieno jaana ga gona dijo, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… mahura, dinawa, Tsabana, bana ba a bopama, ba bolawa ke mopalo. MR LESASO: Elucidation. Thank Honourable Tshere. Kana jaaka o bua jaana dilo tse o di buang ke Fa re bua jaana today in 2019 mo SONA, Tautona o ne boammaaruri ka Botswana Railways, e e mo letšhonong a bua ka dintsho tsa bana ba ba ka fa tlase ga dingwaga gompieno, le le dirwang ke phathi e ya ga Domkrag. Ba tse tlhano, a bua gore it has increased from 28 per 1000 tsaya terena fela e e neng e le ntle, e santse e le ntšha birth to 56 and the SDGs target is 25 per 1000 birth. O ba e rekisa, ba bo ba ya go reka sekgoropa. Ba bo ba kgona go lemoga gore re setse re le double the targeted palelwa ke gore gompieno jaana ba neele BR madi. Ba number ya 25. Re tsamaya kwa go 56, we are over a itse gore ba gatile kgang fela e tona ya gore Railways double the number ya bana ba ba tlhokafalang, ba ba ka ga e na madi, e tšhonne ka ntlha ya sekgoropa se ba se fa tlase ga dingwaga tse tlhano. Selo se se a tshwenya tsereng gompieno, se se tlileng se pentilwe fela e ntse e Mr Speaker and solution ke gore, we have to look le sekgoropa, terena e e siameng e bo ya go rekwa kwa for the child survival mechanism, including feeding,

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immunisation, supplements, vitamin A and others and MR GREEFF: Mr Speaker, re fano mo nakong e most importantly Tsabana. Where possible, le oketse the go nang le selelo se setona kwa kgaolong ya me ya food rations kwa sekoleng to cater for things like this. Gaborone Bonnington South le lefatshe lotlhe ka Le oketse slice sa borotho. It is as simple as that. Re se bophara. Selelo se setona mo Batswaneng ke letlhoko la ka ra bua ka mae, go nna gotwe nnyaa re tlaa fa bana ditiro. Batswana ba a sotlega Mr Speaker, ba a sokola, mae. We need to come up with a nutritional balanced ga ba bereke. Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore the core of meal, even at school or home, in order to supplement our national strategy for Botswana ke gore; bana ba ba ka fa tlase ga dingwaga tse thano. (1) A Batswana ba fiwe tetla ya go bereka mo ditirong Lastly, Mr Speaker e ke batla le wena Honourable Leader tsotlhe that they qualify for. of House o tle o e bue, ka gore I am a mathematician, on Page 10 of SONA, the President stated gore o dirisitse (2) Re bone gore dikgwebo tsotlhe tse dipotlana (small P4 billion. In fact a re over P4 billion was used mo businesses), Batswana ba thusiwe mo go godiseng COVID-19 pandemic. On Paragraph 164, the President dikgwebo tse le go sirelediwa. a bo a tlhalosa gore madi ao o a dirisitse jang. Mo go (3) Go bona gore dikompone tsa Batswana e nne tsone one fa a tlhalosa jaana ka dipalo, go tlhaela P2 billion. tse di fiwang the tenders; sub-contracts kwa meepong, We want to know where that P2 billion went because we dikomponeng tsa Puso le tse dingwe fela jalo. have an idea ya gore Tona wa Madi o kile a re go na le dithoto tse di rekilweng tsa P2 billion kwa China tse di (4) Go bona gore Motswana mongwe le mongwe yo iseng di goroge. Now here you are hiding figures. On o berekang mo Botswana, a amogele madi a a ka mo Page 10 you are talking about P4 billion, Paragraph tshidisang le ba lelwapa la gagwe. 164 you are talking about P2 billion. Where is the P2 HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… billion discrepancy? I thank you very much Mr Speaker. MR GREEFF: (5) Go bona gore Motswana mongwe le HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… mongwe o bona thuto e e maleba e e nang le ditlamelo MR GREEFF (GABORONE BONNINGTON tsotlhe mo dikoleng. SOUTH): Mma ke go leboge Mr Speaker go bo o mphile (6) Go bona gore Motswana mongwe le mongwe a bone sebaka sa gore le nna ke akgele. Mma ke leboge Tautona thuso e e lolameng kwa bongakeng; dikokwelana le Rraetsho Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi. Ke dipatela tsotlhe tsa Puso. leboge le Tona wa Botsogo le Mothusi wa gagwe. Ke leboge le bagaka botlhe, the frontline workers, segolo (7) Go bona gore borukutlhi le drugs di ka fedisiwa ka bogolo jang baoki, dingaka, masole, barutabana, truck tsela e e ntseng jang. drivers ba ba ntseng ba re tlisetsa dijo ka nako ya (8) E le yone ya bofelo e ke batlang go bua ka yone, ke lockdowns, bakgweetsi ba ambulances, le bakaulengwe go bona ditlhabololo di goroga le kwa kgaolong ya rona ba Mapalamente. Mr Speaker, mma ke tseye sebaka se ya Gaborone Bonnington South, e e sa bolong go nna gape ke leboge le Makhanselara a lefatshe la Botswana ka fa mosing. botlhe ka kakaretso ka gore fa re le mo Palamenteng jaana re santse re tshwere ke tiro, ke bone ba ba Ka jalo Mr Speaker, re le babusi, re le Goromente, dubadubanang le mathata a dikgaolo. Ke tlatse kgang ke nako ya gore re arabe letlhoko le la Batswana. We ya ga Honourable Moabi ya maloba a e bua, ke kope should take responsibility ya gore re beye Batswana Goromente wa me gore tlhe a ko a ba sekegele tsebe ka kwa pele. Ka jalo Mr Speaker, ke kopa Puso ya me dituelo tsa bone, batho ba ba Modimo ba bereka bosigo gore a re simololeng ka go dira audit e e tseneletseng le motshegare, a di sekaseke, gongwe o ka di oketsa. mo dikomponeng kana mo ditirong tsotlhe tse di mo Mr Speaker, ke rata gape ke gopole Batswana botlhe ba Botswana, go bona gore ke bafe batswakwa ba ba ba latlhegetsweng ke ba masika le ditsala ka ntlha ya berekang mo dikomponeng tseo kana ditiro tseo, ba dira malwetse a COVID-19, le a mangwe mo ngwageng o, a tiro mang e e leng gore Motswana is not qualifying go e Modimo o ba utlwele botlhoko, a ba gopole ka leina le dira. Selo se ke letshwenyego le letona le le batlang re le le maatla la ga Kgosi Jeso. tsibogela go araba selelo se sa Batswana sa letlhoko la ditiro. Mr Speaker, kwa kgaolong ya me, batho ka bontsi HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Amen! ga ba bereke. Jaaka ke bua, re na le dikompone tse dintsi;

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go simolola fa bus rank, go ya go felela kwa Game City Gone foo Mr Speaker, fa CEDA e sena go nna e thusa circle le dishopo tse ditona mo Gaborone otlhe. O tlaa bagwebi ba, re na le letshwenyego mo kgaolong ya rona fitlhela mo teng mo letshwenyego e le gore, go nale ya Gaborone Bonnington South ka gore re na le batho batho; bo Human Resource Managers, Site Managers ba bantsi ba ba iperekang, ba ba dirang dikgwebo tse mo dikomponeng, to an extent ya gore le truck drivers, dinnyennyane. Letshwenyego la me le tshwana le lele le dikompone tse di hirile batho ba mofuta o. Barutabana ke neng ke le bua la ditiro. Fa o tsena mo mekgwatheng mo private schools, accountants, go hirilwe batho ba e ya Gaborone West, o ya go fitlhela batho foo ba rekisa seng Batswana, mme re na le graduates tse dintsi. Re airtime, diaparo tsa second hand, vegetables, ba dirile na le Batswana ka bontsi ba ba sa berekeng. Ga ke itse dimausu le dikgwebo tsotlhe le tsa meriri, mme e se gore a ke kwa kgaolong ya me fela. Ke amogela reports Batswana, ba lwela market o le Batswana. Jaanong re le tse kwa kgaolong ya me bosigo le motshegare gore, Puso ke gore, ke kope fa gore a ko Tona yo o lebaneng kompone semangmang e re kobile, mme e hirile drivers le mapodise le immigration, ba lebagane le kgang e. Ba ba letso la gore; ga ke batle go ba tlontlolola ka letso. tle go re thusa kwa kgaolong bagetsho, Batswana ba a lela, ba a iteka, batho ke ba ba ba bapisitse ka fa, ga gona Ke batla go kopa Tona yo o maleba gore dikgang tse kgato e e tsewang. a di tsibogele, a bone gore Batswana ba boela mo ditirong tse. A go se ka ga neelwa ope permit ya go tla Motho o ka ipotsa gore, a mme batho ba ba tswang kwa go bereka mo lefatsheng la rona la Botswana go na le mafatsheng a sele, ba tla go dira kgwebo e ya dimausu, Batswana that qualify for tiro eo. Eo tota motho o ka ya go tla go lwela le bana ba rona go dira dikgwebo tseo, mpa a mpolaya fela, ke gana ke latola. Ga ke dumalane permits tsa bone tsa re ba tlile go dira eng mono? Fa go le kgang eo. A re dire audit. A ditiro tse di boele mo sa tsewe kgato jaana gore re sireletse batho ba re neng re ba neela madi kwa CEDA, re ba raya re re tsaya o Batswaneng. Ke a kopa ka tsweetswee gore ditiro tse di ye go dira kgwebo, o itshetse le bana ba gago, re bo re boele mo Batswaneng. tlogela gore jaanong e nne indoda e se bonele. Mongwe Mr Speaker, fa ke bua ka informal sector, re tshwanetse le mongwe fela kana o tswa kwa lefatsheng lefe, fa a go bona gore dikgwebo tse re a di thusa. Ke leboge tsena fela o tlhoma tafole, o compete le Motswana ka lekalana la Citizen Entrepreneurial Development semausu. Dilo tse re re di ele tlhoko. Agency (CEDA) gore ba lekile, ba ne ba thusa... Re na le ba bangwe gape fa pele ga bo Trade World; bo- MR REATILE: Elucidation. Thank you Mr Speaker. nka-go-thusa, ba diteraka tsa bo matshelonyana. Batho Ke go leboge mokaulengwe ka fa o tshwereng kgang bao le bone ba lela selelo sa mmaiyoo. Batho ba ga ba e ya unemployment ka teng, o e tsaya ka matsetseleko utswe, ba a iteka, ba rekile diteraka tse tsa matshelonyana a a e tshwanetseng. Gongwe ke go tlatse gore jaaka o gore ba kgone go tshetsa malwapa a bone. Fa o tsena lela ka selelo sa banana, go boammaaruri ka gore… o fale, o ya go fitlhela 70 per cent ba kgoromediwa ke se ka wa leba private sector ka gore le ene Goromente batho ba ke ntseng ke bua ka bone. Jaanong re kae re fa COVID-19 e e simologa, go tswa go hirwa drivers. le Puso re sa ye go thusa batho ba? Tona yo o lebaneng, Drivers ba ka nna 60, go ne go hirwa batho ba ba leng jaaka ke ne ke bua, wa mapodise, immigration, batho ba bo 65, 66, bo 60 years, ba ba setseng ba berekile Puso ba bona jang permits tsa gore ba tle go lwela le batho ba tlogetse ditiro, banana ba le teng ba sa tsewe. So, le ba rona dikgwebonyana tse dipotlana? A ko le eme ka yone e o e gatelele go supafale gore o kare ga o a target dinao le thuse Batswana, selelo se sa Batswana se se batswakwa, le Batswana ba ba berekileng, o dumela tona thata. gore go neelwe banana ditiro. Ke a leboga. A ba atlholwe batho ba, fa a atlhotswe jaaka mapodise MR GREEFF: Ee, ke a leboga Honourable Reatile. ba a tle ba bue gore ba a ba atlhola, mme ba nna ba Ke tsone dilo tse re di lebileng. Re kopa Puso ya rona boelela ga ba tlogele kgang e, a go tsewe permits tsa ka tlhompho le boikokobetso re wa ka mangole gore ke bone ba boele magaeng, re tlogelele Batswana ditiro tse yone e ka rarabololang dikgang tse, e ka baakanyang. tse di nnyennyane tse, Batswana ba itshetse.

Ke ne ke santse ke re ke rotloetsa Batswana gore CEDA Mr Speaker, ke batla go tsena mo go e nngwe ya sub- bagaetsho, e ntse e leka go thusa ba dikgwebo tse contracts... dipotlana le tse dikgolwane. Ke ba reye ke re, ba se ka ba nna ba ipona tsapa. Ba rotloetsege go tsaya mananeo MR MAJAGA: Elucidation. Thank you Mr Speaker, a CEDA, e ba thuse. thank you Honourable Member. Kgang eo o e tshwere

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sentle, gongwe o thuse fa gore this exercise e ka dirwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. jang. Fa o ka lebelela our population gongwe ke 2.5 million, but fa o ka lebelela baagisanyi ba setse ba MR GREEFF: Re tshwanetse go siamisa dilo tse, re bo tshwara population e, all the sectors starting from kwa re bona gore Batswana ba tsena mo ditirong tse, ke gone masimong le diteraka tsotlhe jaaka o bua tsa metlhaba e ka reng kwa morago fa Batswana ba feletse ba tsene tsa eng, gongwe le gongwe. Gape fa go na le social ills mo ditirong tse... e e mo go rona Batswana, re ka ba ruta jang gore le bone Ya bofelo e nngwe e ke neng ke batla go e lebala ke ba partake those...(Inaudible)… Botswana Meat Commission (BMC). BMC e file MR GREEFF: Honourable Majaga, kgang ya me e company ya kwa South Africa contract, it is the one tlhamaletse fela gore a maphata a a lebanyeng, ba tswe transporting meat to Cape Town le Namibia. Jaanong mo diofising ba ye go theogela.It cannot be business as dilo tse tsotlhe fa o di soboka, o bona gore fa o ka neela usual, ga re ka ke ra tla go nna fa re lebelela batho ba Motswana contract ya to transport salt kwa Sowa, a isa re tseela ditiro, le tsone tse di nnyennyane fela tse re ka kwa a le isang teng, o tlaa reka diteraka mo Botswana… itshetsang ka tsone. Tona wa mapodise le immigration, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. a go duwe mo diofising go ye go theogelwa, ke one molemo fela. Ga go na o mongwe, ga go batle ngaka ya MR GREEFF: …o tlaa hira bana ba Batswana, diteraka Setswana kana moporofiti. tse di tlaa tshela fuel, they will be serviced, di tlaa tsenya Mr Speaker, ke batla go kopa gore let us give Batswana dithaere (tyres) mo Botswana. Golo moo ke go fetlha an opportunity to be sub-contracted in tenders, mines ditiro... and companies tsa Puso. Kante mathata ke eng gore Batswana, ba bo ba sa neelwe ditiro tse? MS MONNAKGOTLA: Elucidation. Ke a leboga motlotlegi, se o se buang ke nnete bogolo jang mo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. kgaolong ya gago, fa bananeng ba ba logang. Ke selo se se botlhoko, a mapodise ba bereke. Tota bana ba, ba MR GREEFF: Selelo se se a ntsena, because nna kwa ne ba itshetsa ka go loga. Maloba ke bone picture ya ofising ya me ke di arametse bosigo le motshegare, gore bana ba bangwe ba ba tswang ka fa Zimbabwe, Batswana ba tla kwa ba lela. Fa ke e fa sekai Mr Speaker, ba ne ba ba kgotlile ka dikere ba ba biditse. Ke dilo tse kwa moepong wa Sowa… di botlhoko tota, a re di emeleng ka dinao. Le ya gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. business e neelwa batswakwa, ke nnete bogolo jang fela jaaka maloba re le mo lockdown, re ne re bona gore re MR GREEFF: Ke tlaa go neela honourable, ema pele. ne re sokola ka petrol, e santse e tsewa ke dikompone tse Companies that transport salt di filwecontract ke moepo di tswang kwa South Africa. Golo mo fela ka bogone, a wa Sowa, ke tsa foreigners, tsa South Africa. Company re go lebelele, madi a felele mo Botswana, re tlhabolole e filwe a tender e tswa South Africa, transporting salt Botswana wa rona a nne montle. Ke a leboga. e le isa kwa South Africa. Fa o tsena kwa moepong wa Medie, companies that transport coal di filwe the MR GREEFF: Ke a leboga Honourable Mma tender, they are South African companies. Fa o tsena Monnakgotla. O bua boammaaruri, kana dilo tse kwa moepong wa Debswana, batho ba ba epang mo kgantele Batswana ba felela ba tenega. Le nna gongwe Debswana they are Australians, but we have Batswana ke bue gore, ke tlaa nna le bone. Fa re ntse re bua dikgang ba ba nang le companies tse di nang le bokgoni, ba ne tse, ga se gore ga re bue le ba immigration le labour, ba epa kwa Francistown, Mopane le African copper; bo kgantele ke tlaabo ke na le bone. Maloba re bone jaaka Rre Furi, ba ba nang le machines. Fa o tsaya company Honourable Monnakgotla a bua, kwa station e le gore e tshwana le ya Diamond Trading Company (DTC), it ba meriri, Batswana ba lwa le foreigners ba tlhabana ka sub-contracted company e nngwe ga ke itse gore e tswa dikere, ke case e e teng... kae, ke tshaba go bua batho ba teng. That company then HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. sub-contracted e nngwe gape, e bo e tla le ka babereki. Dilo tse di a ntshwenya, and I cannot stand here ke bo MR GREEFF: Fa ke wela fela Mr Speaker, a businesses ke raya Batswana ke re ga go na ditiro re ise re siamise tse tsotlhe, sub-contracts tse tsotlhe bagaetsho, ke kopa mo pele… gore di neelwe Batswana.

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HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR room, motho a hirisitse room ya P800 kana re re P700, TSOGWANE): Clarification. O bua puo e e botlhokwa a amogela P1,200, a tshwanelwa ke gore a reke dijo tsa e re e reeditseng thata, o e bua e bile o le ka kwano go mo ntlong, a rekele bana ba gagwe uniform, a palame supafala sentle gore ga se gore fa re le ka kwano, ga re combi, a pegile bana khombi ba ya sekoleng. ka ke ra bua dikgang tse di tlhokang di thusa Batswana. Clarification e ke e batlang ke gore, golo fa ka o ntse o Bagaetsho, ke batla go ikuela mo go lona mo Ntlong bua ka mapodise gore gongwe ba tsamaye, mme bone e, mo Mapalamenteng a Botswana, mo go Goromente ba a leka ba a tsamaya. Tota modi wa kgang o tswa kwa wa me yo ke itseng gore o na le pelotlhomogi gore a kae motlotlegi? Kana golo fa, ba re buang re Batswana re sekasekeng kgang e. Re bone gore a mme Batswana re emetse Batswana. Ba ba abang ditiro tse ke bomang? ba tlhokana le gore fa ba bereka ka thata jaana… Fa o A ke batswakwa kgotsa ke Batswana ba ba rutegileng, ka tsena kwa Builders World le mo dikomponeng tse ba re ba hirileng gore ba direle Batswana ba bangwe dingwe wa bona ka fa bana ba ngakalalang ka teng, a sentle? Ditiro tse batho ba ba di neelwa ke bomang? ngakalaletse P1,200, a firisitse ntlo ya P800, kgang e e Permits tse o ntseng o bua ka tsone, ba di neelwa ke tlhomola pelo. Ke kopa gore bogogi, a re e sekasekeng mang? Re tshwanetse re itshekatsheke, gore a mme golo gongwe re bone gore Batswana ba, ba ba mo diofising kgang e. Potso ke gore, a mme salary ya P1,200 kana ba ba neelang batho ba dilo tse, ga se gore ka mokgwa P1,400, motho o ka tshela ka yone? mongwe o o tshwanetseng, re sekaseke. Ke a leboga, ke Mr Speaker, maloba re ne re bona go okediwa motlakase, sa go jele nako. dikhombi le dibese; sengwe le sengwe se okeditswe. MR GREEFF: Ee, ke a leboga Your Honour. Tota o bua Jaanong o bo o ipotsa gore ka salary ya P1,200… Dilo boammaaruri, ke sone se e rileng fa ke emelela fa ke bua tse tsotlhe fa ke bua, di a ama motho yo o amogelang ke bo ke re, a go dirwe audit go bonwe gore ditiro tse P1,200. Dikoketso tsa dikhombi, motlakase le dibese, tsotlhe di dirwa ke bomang. Go diragala eng? Ke selelo batho ba Modimo ba setse ba palelwa ke go ya gae. Fa se se tswang kwa kgaolong ya me, because jaaka ke ne go na le leso kana lenyalo, motho wa Modimo a tswa ke bua gore kana I cover go simolola fa bus rank go kwa Maitengwe kana Mokobeng a amogela P1,200, o wela kwa, difeme (firms) tsele tsotlhe di mo kgaolong tlaa palama bus ka eng? O salelwa ke eng? Jaanong ke ya me, dilelo tse di a goroga. Jaanong, ke di isa kwa batla go kopa Tona yo o maleba, to appoint a Minimum go lona le le bagolwane gore le bone gore re ka thusa Wage Advisory Board urgently gore salaries tsa batho Batswana jang gore ba boele mo ditirong tse. ba ba amogelang P1,200, di ye go lebalebiwa. I have been engaging ba bangwe ba dikompone mo kgaolong, Ntle ke fete ka e nngwe ka bonako Mr Speaker, ke batla ke buisana le bone. Ba bo ba nthaya ba re, ke lona le re go kopa Goromente wa me ka boikokobetso ke ole ka beetseng gore motho a amogele P6.77 ka oura. Jaanong mangole gore, a ko a falotse Batswana mo bokgobeng ke eme fa bagaetsho ke khubame ka mangole, ke kope jwa salaries tse di kwa tlase... gore a Tona yo o maleba, please appoint a Minimum Wage Advisory Board e ye go sekaseka kgang ya P6.77 HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)... ka oura gore a ke madi a a ka tshetsang motho. MR GREEFF: Mr Speaker, Batswana deserve better HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Mr salaries, Batswana work hard for these companies tse Speaker. ba berekang mo go tsone. Ke eme fa ka kutlobotlhoko e e tseneletseng, e dirwa ke ka fa Batswana ba duelwang MR GREEFF: No, nako e ile tlhe bakaulengwe ke ka teng ke companies. Mr Speaker, go tlhomola pelo a le rapela. Jaanong ke a kopa gore a salaries tse di gore fa ke eme fa jaana ke go bolelele gore Batswana ba tsholediwe di ye kwa go P2,500 kana P3,500. Go bo ba berekang in firms tse ke ntseng ke bua ka tsone, ba go diragala gore ngwaga le ngwaga fa Puso e re, ke bo ba amogela P1,200 ka kgwedi. Ba ba lesegonyana, okeletsa babereki ba me ka 10 per cent, a go tsene le ke ba ba amogelang P1,600, gotwe motho o a amogela. kwa private sector. A re dire molao o o tlamang gore Jaanong ntle ke go bolelele Mr Speaker gore, kwa fa Puso e tsholetsa, le bone dituelo tsa bone di bo di kgaolong ya me ya Gaborone West rent ke P800. Fa tsholetsega. Ke eme fa bagaetsho ka boikokobetso motho a amogela P1,200, a hirisitse ntlo ya P800, kana fa pele ga Modimo ke re, no one deserves to earn a let us say ya P700, re e baya minimum, ke sa itse gore salary ya P1,200. Le Modimo o ka tloga wa re bona ka dikgaolo tse dingwe gone batho ba hirisitse bokae. One botlhomola pelo.

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E nngwe Mr Speaker, re mo State of Emergency (SoE) dirwe sepatela se se lebaganeng le balwetse ba kankere. mme ke na le selelo kwa kgaolong. Batho ba a kobiwa Balwetse ba kankere fa o ka ya kwa ward ya bone kwa mo ditirong. Dikompone tse dingwe di ne di tsaya Marina, o tlaa tlhomoga pelo ka gore ba a bo ba tswa le madi kwa Botswana Unified Revenue Service (BURS) from khutlo tse nne tsa lefatshe. Batho ba Modimo ba mme ga ba a duela batho. Heela! Ke mathata. Ke kopa tlhola foo and kankere ke bolwetse jo bo botlhoko tota, jo bo momonang motho. Batho ba Modimo ba tlhola foo gore a molao o gagamale, batho ba ba ye go tseelwa ka tlala. Ke kope Tona wa Health gore a sekaseke gore dikgato. Gompieno jaana batho ba nna mo matlong kwa batho fa ba ile bongakeng joo, go botoka ba fiwe dijo, West mme ga ba a duela dirente. Ba setse ba nna ka go ba je sengwenyana. Ba tlhola foo ka tlala mme fa a se kodulana fela fa ke bua Setswapong le bommadijarata. na go bona ngaka kwa oncology, o isiwa ka kwa gotwe Jaanong ke kope ke ole ka mangole gore a Goromente a ye go tsaya dipilisi mme o etla a tlhola gape koo ka wa me yo ke mo ratang thata, a reetse selelo se. Batho tlala. Gongwe Tona a re thuse. Emergency ya Marina botlhe ba dijarata tsele, go ye go phimolwa dikoloto Mr Speaker, ke matlhomola pelo fela ka gore dingaka le tsa metsi, so that we can meet them half way. Already baoki ba a tlhaela. A Goromente kgang e, a e emele ka ba setse ba beile batho mo matlong ba ba sa dueleng dinao gore batho ba rona mo Gaborone ba bone thuso. dirente. Ba kobilwe mo dikomponeng mme ga di ba Mr Speaker, fa ke tsena mo kgaolong ya me ya Gaborone duele. Bonnington South…

Mr Speaker, mma ke bue ka kokelwana. Re na le clinics HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation Mr Speaker. tse pedi kwa kgaolong ya rona ya Bonnington South; Gaborone West Clinic le Junior Molefhe. Kgang ya me MR GREEFF: …re na le mathata a storm water ke gore, fa Gaborone West Clinic re na le letlhoko la drainage system. Ke lantlha ke bona toropo e e ngaka. Ke sale ke lela last year ke tsena mo Palamenteng tshwanang le e. e gore a Tona a re sekasekele. Ke belaela e le rona fela HONOURABLE MEMBER: E le gore ga o utlwe ba re senang ngaka in a clinic. Clinic e, ke kope gape gore ke kopa elucidation? gore e bulelwe to operate 24 hours. E na le baoki ba le nine mme for it to operate 24 hours, go tlhaela baoki MR GREEFF: Botate, e tšhaile, ke a le rapela. Ke ba le five. Jaanong go ka re thusa golo mo gore batho lantlha ke bona mo go tshwanang le mo. Fa e le gore e ba Modimo ba se ka ba sokola because gone fa clinic teng golo gongwe, kwa kgaolong ya me ga ke ise ke e e leng teng, ke gone fa bontsi jwa batho bo nnang teng. bone Rre Molale. Ke a go kopa, ke a go itse e bile ke go Ya ngaka Mr Speaker fa ke go bolelela, ga go na ngaka tshepha gore tlhe ruri, fa o bone nako pula e na jaaka di kwa West. Motho o tlaabo a bona Mooki, fa a se na go na jaana, o ye go feta le nna o bone matlhotlhapelo a re a mo tlhatlhoba a bona gore o tlhokana le ngaka, o mo bonang kwa kgaolong ya rona. Fa o tsena kwa Phase 4, fetisetsa kwa Block 9. O ya Block 9 a ya go fola laene go ne go na le mogobe just opposite circle e e fa Block mme fa a tsena kwa, ngaka e a mmona e bo e mo fetisetsa 5. Fa pula e na, metsi a fologa kwa thabeng kwa, batho kwa Marina. O tlaabo a ya Marina kwa emergency, mme ba dijarata tse di fale tsele ba nna fela mo letamong. Ga fa a tsena koom, o ya go fitlhela batho ba ba tswangfrom go na drainage system. the four corners of Botswana who have been referred Mr Speaker, e nngwe e ke batlang go e kopa ke internal kwa Marina. Motho wa Modimo o ya go nna kwa two roads tsa kgaolo ya me bagaetsho. Re tshelela mo to three days a ise a bone thuso. Re kopa ngaka kwa leroleng o kare ga re mo toropong. Re a sokola. Re buile Gaborone West clinic gore at least motho fa a fetsa go le batho ba khansele Honourable Molale mme ga ke itse bonwa ke ngaka, a tlhoka gore a ye Marina, a tlhamalale gore a kgaolo ya me ba e tlhoile kana go diragala jang. fela a se ka a fetisetswa kwa clinic e nngwe, a bo a ya Ditsela tsa teng ga di gopiwe (not graded), ke mathata. go fola. Ka fa a tswa foo, o ya kwa Marina a ya go fola. Fa o re o a ba kopa o bua le bone jaana, fa ba tshogana Se sengwe Mr Speaker, malatsi a re na le bolwetse jwa ba tlisitse grader, fa o dikologa ka fa o re boela kwa, o kankere jo bo iphileng maatla. Bo fetsa setšhaba sa fitlhela e seyo. Fa o botsa, gatwe e tserwe e isitswe to Botswana. Bolwetse jo bo iphitlhile, bo bonwa fela ka other constituencies. Ke ikuela mo go wena mongwame maranyane a ba bongaka. A Goromente a sekaseke gore gore a ko o nthuse kgang e. a dire sepatela sa batho ba bolwetse jwa kankere jaaka go na le clinics tse re itseng gore ke tsa batho ba sukiri E nngwe ke street lights, eo ke matlhomolapelo. Batho jaaka e e fa Block 6. Jaanong le yone e ke kopa gore a go ba a bolawa kwa Gaborone West, re na le cases tsa bo

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murder. Motho fa a tlola a tswa fa Game City mo lefifing, Ke simolole fela ke re tekodiso e e neng e fiwa ke a bo a tlhabiwa ka thipa, a bolawa ke bo Suna Papa; one Tautona, ke kgomo ya moshate; e a re fa a fetsa go bua, magotswananyana a, ba mo tseela ditsa-gagwe. Batho ba ba bangwe ba bo ba ngongoregela ka gore o buile go le a sokola ka gore go lefifi. Ke ne ke buile le ba khansele go leele, go le gontsi, mme fa a ka khutshwafatsa, le fa Honourable Molale last year, ba bo ba ntsholofetsa gore a ne a ntse a buile go le go leele, ngongora e nna gore o e tlaa re ngwaga o ka April, dipone tsa kgaolo ya me tlogetse se le se. Se sengwe gape ke gore, ba bangwe ba tsotlhe di bo di bereka. Ke setse ke tshaba le go leba tlaabo ba bua gore ga e na molodi, ga a e tsenya molodi, batho mo matlhong kwa kgaolong. Dilo tse tsotlhe ga di ke gore ga e a tshwara dikgang tse di nang le moko mo diragale, kgaolo ya me e lefifi go feta dikgaolo tsotlhe go yone. Ke bona Motlotlegi Tautona a re file pego e e tsa Gaborone. Ke go kope Honourable Molale gore a sobokileng, e ama dintlha tsa setšhaba ka botlalo. Ke ko o mpoletse batho ba Gaborone City Council (GCC) lebogela gore a bo a ntshitse pego e e ntseng jalo. gore ba ntlhoetse eng le batho ba Gaborone West? Ba tlaa re thusa leng? Ke a go kopa Honourable Molale, ke Se sengwe gape ke gore Motlotlegi Tautona o ne a bega a itse gore o ka nthusa mongwame, a ko o thuse batho ba dikgang tsa gagwe a na le boammaaruri mo go tsone. Ke kgaolo ya me please. Go lefifi tota,wards tse dingwe not batla go ganetsa mafoko a a batlang gore o ne a tlhoka even one street light e e berekang, ke matlhomolapelo. boammaaruri. Ke tlaa leka gore ke akgele morago Bo honourable ba a itse ba nna mo go tsone, ba bangwe mo dikgannyeng tsa ditsela tse di neng tsa amiwa, ba nna kwa Block 9, bo Rre Tshabang kwa bo Phase 4; ba mme le mafoko a ga Motlotlegi Tautona ga bapiwa le itse kgang e ke e buang. Fa ke tlhotlhomisa Honourable boammaaruri ka fa a neng a bua ka teng. Molale, gatwe go na le company nngwe e e hirilweng E re pele ke sutelela kwa dikgannyeng tse di ntseng mo Gaborone go tsenya dipone, fa e le gore company jalo Mr Speaker, ke ne ke eleditse gore ke bue ka eo e teng, it is not a ghost company, a ko e atumele kwa kgang ya lefatshe ka gore ke kgang ya mmangmang e kgaolong ya me, batho ba bone lesedi, le ba tlhabele. Ke e amang thata ba ba ba tswang mo kgaolong yone eo. a kopa Honourable Molale. Tlaa ke e simolole jaana, ke leboge e bile ke bone gore matshwenyego a Tautona a buang ka yone a thekiso ya Ya bofelo e ke batlang go bua ka yone bagaetsho, batho lefatshe bogolo jang le e leng gore le mo land boards ba dikereke, baruti kwa kgaolong ya me ba rile ke go tse di tlhokometseng lefatshe la merafe, a boammaaruri kope gore gongwe fa o ka adima Honourable Peggy fela thata. Go tlhoka gore re tsibogele seemo se gore re Serame a pota ka fa go bone, dikereke di ka bulwa. se baakanye, re se tsenye mo taolong gore Batswana ba Ba lela selelo sa mmaiyoo. A ko le sekaseke kgang ya se ka ba latlhegelwa ke lefatshe, bokamoso le khumo dikereke. Batho ba mehama e mengwe ba itumetse, ba ya bone. Ke lebogetse gore Tona yo o lebaganeng le tshelela mo lethabong. Re mo dinakong tse di thata, tse lefatshe, e ne ya re fa a tsiboga, a bua mafoko a a neng a di tlhokanang le thapelo. A dikereke di bulwe, mathata re mogopolo mongwe o ba o lebileng ke wa gore go nne a tsone ke eng? Ga o ka ke wa bula kereke ka batho ba le a moratoria wa thekiso ya lefatshe mme a bo a bua ka le 50; moruti o tla le bana ba gagwe ba le 6 le mmaabo, hotspots. Ke batla go mo raya ke re, ke mo eme nokeng kereke e tletse. Fa di sa bulwe, a dipalo tse di oketsege. mo mogopolong wa gagwe, mme e bile Tlokweng ke Baruti ba mpoleletse gore ba isitse kopo kwa go lona nngwe ya hotspots tse ke tsayang gore ba tlaabo ba di gore le oketse dipalo at least le dire 200. Tetlano e lebile. ke a e kopa, ke khubame ka mangole fa pele ga gago Se sengwe gape se ke neng ke eletsa go se bua ke gore, fa mongwame gore le sekasekele batho ba dikereke. o le moemedi, ga o bue fela se o ka tswang o se akantse, Ka mafoko a le kalo, fa go na le yo ke mo gatileng kana o tlogela kwa ntle dikakanyo tsa ba o ba emetseng. dikhonse, kana ke mo kgopisitse, ke tlaa kopa Ke letse ke reeditse Gongmaster golo gongwe maabane maitshwarelo, mme e a bo e se ka bomo, e a bo e le a gakolola, a kopa rona mo Palamenteng gore re nne re dikgang tsa batho ba kgaolo ya me. I thank you. bua, a re meakanya le fa ke sa itse Setswana sa gagwe gore a reng, mme ke ne ke tsaya gore megopolo le MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND dikakanyo tsa bone ba re ba emetseng. Ka go rialo, se ke COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Ke a batlang go se supa ke gore, e re Tona a na le mogopolo leboga Mr Speaker gore ke bo ke bone sebaka sa go wa moratoria, go na le ba ba mo Tlokweng ba ke itseng akgela mo mafokong a ga Tautona jaaka a ne a re gore mo ditherisanyong tsa me le bone, mogopolo wa lekodisa botsogo jwa setšhaba. bone fela ke gore go emisiwe gotlhegotlhe thekiso ya

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lefatshe, ke gone fela gongwe seemo se re se bonang jang go leka go thibela seemo se re ntseng re bua ka kwa kgaolong eo re ka kgonang go se bipa. Ke bona e sone sa ka fa Batswana ba latlhegelwang ke lefatshe le le kakanyo fela, ke tshwanetse ke bue jalo, e gongwe e ba le abetsweng ka teng. Selo sa ntlha se ke bonang se ka re tsalelang mathata a mangwe bogolo jang ka gore le botlhokwa go dirwa ke gore e re fa motho a abetswe ditlhabololo tse di dirwang mo lefatsheng le, bogolo jang lefatshe, go nne le sebaka se gongwe go thibelwang gore tsa bonno, di dirwa ke ba le bantsi ba kopa thuso kwa o ka se amoga a se fetisetsa kwa go yo mongwe, kwa ntle dibankeng. Fa re ka emisa gotlhegotlhe gore lefatshe gongwe ga mabaka a gore se fetela kwa bajabosweng le kgone gore le ananywe, ke dumela gore re tlaabo re bolaya mo gotweng ke market, mme gape re tsala seemo ba gagwe ka seemo sa gore o ka tswa a tlhokafetse. Ke se e leng gore le dibanka tota di ka se ka tsa tsena mo sone se ke bonang se tshwanetse gore se dirwe gore go seemong sa go ka thusa batho go tlhabolola lefatshe. fe batho sebaka, mme go bo go bonwa gore ba thusiwa jang, gore fa a sena go fiwa lefatshe, a kgone go le MR SALESHANDO: Elucidation. Ka bokhutshwane, tlhabolola le nne mo seemong sa gore go nna mo go lone kgang ya gore go ka dirwa thulaganyo go thibela ba ba go ka mo tswela mosola le maduo. Se ke bonang gore batlang go rekisa, a mme fa le ntse le e akanya jaana, a le gongwe se ne se ka letlelesega mo pakeng eo, a e ka nna itse gore e setse e kile ya lekwa mo dikgaolong dingwe bo five years, ga ke reye gore ke tlhomame mo go reng mo Botswana, ya ya kwa court, go na le judgments or paka ya teng e tshwanetse ya nna jang, ke gore gongwe court rulings ka yone? ba land board ba nne le ditumalano tse di ka kgonang go dirisiwa ke batho, gore fa a ise a kgone go tlhabolola MR SEGOKGO: Leader of the Opposition, tota lefatshe la gagwe mme a kopane le mongwe yo o nang boammaaruri ke gore ga ke a utlwa sentle gore o ne o le ditsompelo le dithata tsa go tlhabolola, o ka nna mo re kgang e ke itseng ka yone ke efe, mme mma ke nne tumalanong ya go hirisa lefatshe go le tlhabolola mme mokhutshwane gore o bua ka kgang nngwe e e ileng kwa morago le boele yo o neng a le abetswe. court, ga ke a utlwa gore o ne o raya efe. Ke kopa go DR DOW: Clarification. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke tswelela fela ka megopolo le dikakanyo tse ke batlang go a leboga Honourable Member go bo o mphile sebaka. di baya Palamente pele. Se ke eletsang go se bua ke gore Ke botse gore mogopolo o o nang le one wa go kganela go na le fa seemo sa thekiso ya lefatshe se ngomolang motho gore e re fa a filwe setsha a se rekise, a o felele pelo teng, bogolo jang ka gore go na le Attorneys kana kwa dikgaolong fela kana wa re le mo Gaborone? diagente. Ke fitlhetse diemo tse, ke nna le tsone gantsi Gakere ditsha di a abiwa ka ditsela tse di farologaneng mo kgaolong ya me. Ba ba dirisang go thusa ga bone, ba le gone mo Gaborone, a naare wa re fa motho a filwe ba tlang kwa go bone ba kopa thuso ya tsa semolao, gore setsha mo Gaborone, a se ka a kgona go se fetisa? Ke sa ntlha ba ba tsenya mo dikolotong fela ka go ba thusa, botse gape gore ke eng re dumela gore fa motho a le kwa maikaelelo magolo e le go ba ananya lefatshe la bone, Shakawe, Mochudi, Morwa kana kae, fa a rekisa setsha, ba tsaya ditlhabololo tsa bone. Ke seemo se dikgang tsa ga a ikakanya? Ke eng re dumela gore motho o ka rekisa go nna jaana di setseng di le dintsi mo kgaolong ya me kgomo, koloi kana shares tsa gagwe mme a sa tlole e bile di tshwenya tota, tse batho ba latlhegelwang ke molao kana o sa mo kganele go rekisa, ke eng re batla lefatshe ka kgang e a neng a e tsisitse kwa agenteng, e go anyisa batho, Goromente o anyisa mo a go tsholang sa amane gope le lefatshe leo. Ke seemo se ke bonang se jaaka ngwana? Ke botse jalo gore a mme ga re tseye gore tlhoka go tsibogelwa thatathata, bogolo jang ke ba Law motho o a bo a ikakantse e le mogolo; monna le mosadi Society. Molao o o tlaabong o baakanngwa wa Legal mo lwapeng la bone ba rile, “setsha se, ke a se rekisa Practitioners Act, le one o tshwanetse go leka go thusa gore ke tle ke ise ngwana kwa sekoleng kana ke tle ke gore fa diagente di thusa batho, kana ba na le kitso e reke kgwebo e nngwe ka gore molao o a ntetlelela.” Ke tseneletseng ya molao, mo go rayang gore ba kgona go eng re dumela gore re tshwanetse go akanyetsa bagolo dirisa molao go thusa kana go tsietsa ba ba neng ba ba kwa metseng, mme e seng mo Gaborone? thusa, ke tsaya gore ke boikarabelo jwa ba molao go tlhomamisa gore seemo se se ntseng jaana, se a thibelwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further clarification ka gore se tlisa khumanego mo malwapeng, bogolo jang gore o di arabe tsotlhe Tona. ba ba mo seemong sa go itlhoka. MR SEGOKGO: Nnyaa, ke ntse ke letla clarifications Ke ne ke batla go tsenya kopo kwa go Tona yo o tlhe, mma ke leke go mo araba pele. Ke a go leboga lebaganeng le Lefatshe, ya gore ba tle ba sekaseke motlotlegi, ga se go nyatsa tlhaloganyo ya ga ope, ga se seemo sa bone sa land boards ba se tokafatse, bogolo fela kgang ya go pepetletsa batho. Mma ke simolole ka

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ya fa o se filwe go tshwana le Gaborone, ke dumela gore e lebelele mo ditlhabololong le ditogamaano tsa rona ke fa o se filwe mme o ne o na le tuelo e o tshwanetseng gore, toropo e le metse e e e mabapi, go gola ga tsone di go se duelela, mo mabakeng ao, re se ka ra go patika, o tshwanetse go golela kwa godimo. They must gentrify. tswelele o se fetise fa o se fetisa. Se se nkgwetlhang gore Fa di dira jalo, tumelo ya me e nngwe ke gore go tlaabo ke tle ka mogopolo o o ntseng jaana ke tse re bonang di go thusa ka mabaka a gore fa re sega ditsha tse disha, diragala, ke itse gore re tshwanetse go tshepha re itse go tsenya ditlamelo tsotlhe tse di tlhokafalang go ka gore motho yo o mo fileng ke mogolo yo o kgonang go nna turo. Legale ke sa reye gore ke tshotse dipalo tse itseela ditshwetso, o itse seemo sa gagwe. Boammaaruri di supang gore boturu go le kae, go na le gongwe fa re ke gore dipalo tse di kwa godimo, le fa ke ka se ka ka go godisetsa kwa godimo. Se re tlhokang go se dira fa re fa gore ke raya tse kae, di dintsi tsa batho ba ba rekisang godisetsa kwa godimo ke go tlhabolola ditlamelo tse re lefatshe le ba le ...(Inaudible)…Ba reka dithoto tse di sa setseng re na le tsone fa re godisetsang teng. Fa re ya ba sologeleng mosola, ba felela ba rekile dikoloi tse di go sega lefatshe le lesha, re tlhoka gore re tlise metsi, felelang di beilwe mo matlapeng. Se se botlhoko gape re a kgope, re tlise motlakase le ditsela ka madi a ke kwa kgaolong e ke tswang kwa go yone ke gore, go dumelang gore a nna kwa godimo go na le fa re tlaabo lwela setsha sa batsadi sa boswa go tsala ditsheko, ke re godisa ditoropo tse le metse e e mabapi, go ya kwa gore o a se rekisa, fa gongwe o ipeela kamore, kamoso godimo. ke dintwa fela tse ba Bogosi ba tshwaraganeng le dikgang tse ba sa kgoneng go di rarabolola. Ke tsone tse Ke batla ke bua gore kgolo e ke ntseng ke e supa e gape, di nkgwetlhang, ga se ka lebaka la gore ke dumela gore e re kaela gore kana go gola ga batho go tsala letlhoko re tshwanetse gore ka dinako tsotlhe re bo re pepetletsa le lengwe gape la ditlamelo; tsa botsogo, thuto le batho motlotlegi. Mme ke megopolo, kana re tletse fa go sepodise. Ke ditlamelo tse ke eletsang gore ke tlhalose, buisana, gakololana le go neelana. e bile ke tlhamalele gore ke tse di tlhokafalang. E bile re sekaseke gore fa re di aga, re lemoge gore dikgaolo tse Ke ne ke eletsa gore ke sutelele fa pelenyana ke tsene di tshwanang le bo Tlokweng, ke dingwe tse di tlhokang mo dikgannyeng tsa tiriso ya lefatshe; e seng fela gore sekole, dipatela, go oketswe sepodise se se leng teng mo o le bona jang, o le fetisa jang, e le gore mo tirisong kgaolong. ya lefatshe le ka fa re rulaganyang ditlhabololo tsa rona ka teng. Se setona se ke batlang go se akgela ke gore Ke batla gape ke sutelela Mr Speaker, ke ama kgang ke tlaabo gape ke ntse ke remeletse mo dikgaolong tse nngwe e ke tsayang gore e tshwenya fela thata, bogolo di mo Greater Gaborone, tse ke tsayang gore go na le jang mo tikologong e ya fa go agiwang mo Gaborone. bothata jo e leng gore fa re ka se ka ra tsiboga ka gore re Ke ya leswe kana matlakala a e reng fa go agiwa, a bo dira dithulaganyo jang tsa ditlhabololo, bo tlaa kekela, a sa ye go latlhelwa kwa a tshwanetseng go latlhelwa bo nna ka seemo se se tlaa tswang mo taolong. teng. A latlhelwa mo tikologong ya Gaborone. Kana tikologo e re bua ka ditshimo le mahudisetso a metse Ke batla ke simolola ka gore population kana dipalo e ke ntseng ke e umaka. Ke selo se se tlhokang gore tsa batho mo Gaborone di solofelwa gore di ka golela se tsibogelwe, melao e gagamadiwe, gore ope fela yo o kwa go 313 000, di tswa kwa go about bo 280 000 or dirang jalo a tlola molao, a nne le kotlhao e e tlaa dirang somewhere there, go ya go tsena ka ngwaga wa 2026. gore a se ka a tlhola a akanya le ka letsatsi lepe gore o Fa o ka di tsamaisetsa fa pele, wa di isetsa kwa go bo ka boelela molato wa go nna jalo. E re le ntswa re na le 2030, 2025, it is just 10 years. Dipalo tseo di gola le go lefatshe le lennye kwa Tlokweng, mme go na le ba ba feta. Mo South East, ene o tlaabo a gola go tswa kwa go ruileng, le ba ba lemang, mme seemo se se kgoreletsa about 109 000, go ya kwa go bo 133 000. Ga ke ise ke thatathata mo go tse ba di dirang. ame dikgaolo di tshwana bo Mogoditshane, Kgatleng, jalojalo. Tota se ke lekang go se supa fano ke gore, ga Mr Speaker, ka ke bona gore nako ke ye e ntse e a re ka ke ra tlhabolola kana ra leka go tswelela ka gore sutelela, yone ga e nke e ema, ke eletsa go supa gore re tlaa sega ditsha tse disha gore re tle re kgone go baya Tautona mo pegong ya gagwe o ne a lekodisa sentle, e batho ka gore lefatshe ga le gole, dipalo tsa rona ke bile mafoko a gagwe fa o a latisisa, o bona gore o mo tsone tse di golang, mme batho ba tlhoka bonno, fa ba go se e leng boammaaruri. Mr Speaker, ke batla gore bayang tlhogo teng, fa ba apayang teng, jalojalo. fa ke bua ka se, ke bo ke lemotsha gore Tautona o ne a buwa ka ditsela a re, Goromente o santse a itlamile Se ke lekang go se supa ke gore, kgolo e re e tlhokang gore o ya go di dira, bogolo jang tse di kwa bokone le mo nakong e, e e tshwanetseng gore re simolole gore re bokone bophirima. Mafoko a a ga Tautona ke batla ke a

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gatelela ka lebaka la gore, Moeteledipele wa Kganetso Kgotleng ya Maun a ya go bolelela setšhaba gore madi a o ne a batla go supa gore santlha ga go na se se dirwang, bonetse, o tswa go bona madi kwa China, jaanong tsela sa bobedi ga go na boammaaruri mo go se Tautona a se e simolola go dirwa, boammaaruri bo fa kae? buang. MR SEGOKGO: Nnyaa, ga ke ise ke ko ke re mathata Ke batla ke simolola jaana Mr Speaker, ke re ka 2018 e nnile madi, ke ntse ke tlhalosa dikgato tse re ntseng re jaaka he quoted se se neng se buiwa ke Motlotlegi tsamaya ka tsone. Ee, go na le fa re neng re buisana ka Tautona, go boammaaruri Tautona o ne a tla mo madi teng, ra se ka ra welelana. Se se botlhokwa ke go Palamenteng a bua fela jalo, a solofetsa gore ditsela tlhaloganya gore, tsela gore e agiwe, go na le dikgato tse tse di kwa bokone le bokone botlhaba di tlaa dirwa. O di ntseng di tsewa. E bile se ke se buang ka re, e bonetswe ne a dira tsholofetso ka nako eo, morago ga go e dira, madi, re ya go e dira. Se ke batlang gore ke se tlhalose, lephata le mo nakong e ke le eteletseng, la tsaya dikgato. gape ke se supe ke gore, Batswana fa gongwe gore ba Le ne la re ka March 2019, Tautona a ne a sa tswa go tlhaloganye dingwe tsa dikgang tse di a bong di buega bua ka November, la tsaya dikgato tsa go simolola yone mo Palamenteng e ke gore, ngogola Moeteledipele wa tshekatsheko le go lebelela project ya gore ditsela tse di Kganetso o ne a ema, a solofetsa setšhaba gore ba ya go ka dirwa jang. Tsela e e neng e lebilwe bogolobogolo, dira melao e le meraro... e ne e le ya Nata go ya kwa Maun. Ga ba ga dirwa feasibility study e simolola ka July 2019. Ra ba ra tsena HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. mo dipuisanyong tsa gore re ka e batlela madi ka March MR SEGOKGO: Nnyaa, ema jalo nako e tsamaile. 2020, le fa di ne tsa se ka tsa atlega. Ya re di ise di atlege, Melao e le meraro, e e leng gore gongwe mo ke batla ke supe gore, kana ditsela tse di ne di ise di bogompienong ga a bue ka yone, mme fa go na le sepe akarediwe mo Lenaneong la Ditlhabololo, mme re ne re se a se boneng se Tautona a neng a se umaka ka 2019, ntse re tsiboga gore re tlhomamise go itse seemo gore o batla gore Tautona jaanong o a se timetsa, o tlhoka se ne se tsalwa ke seemo sa Dineo, a bo e tsenngwa gore… ke raya gore mafoko a a lebagane ene. O tsentse mo Lenaneong la Ditlhabololo. Re ne re dira Mid-Term tsholofelo mo Batswaneng gore ba ya go dira melao, Review (MTR) le gone, ditsela tse di tsentswe mo mme ga a ise a ba lekodise gompieno gore ba tsamaya fa Economic Recovery and Transformation Plan (ERTP), kae, ba dirile eng. Ga gona tekodiso epe e a e tsentseng go supa gore re kgona go di batlela madi, re tswelela ka mo go yone melao e a neng a rile o tlaa e tlisa fa pele ga go di dira. rona. Mafoko a ke one a supang gore, kana go bua gone ke selo se se motlhofo, go farologana le go dira. Fela se Ke batla go bua gore re setse e bile re ntshitse dipampiri a ka bong a ne a se dirile se le molemo ke gore o ka bo a ka tsela e ya Nata-Maun, tsa go batla consultants ba ba lekodisitse Batswana ka melao e. Ke a itse gore maloba, tlaabong ba lebile tsela e gore e tle e dirwe. E bile mo ka ke ne ke botsa potso, o ne a e araba. Karabo ya teng go yone kgwedi e ya November, tenders tseo di tlaabo tota ga se e e neng e supa sepe sa gore ba tsamaya fa di tswalwa, a bo di sekwasekwa. Ke na le lenaneo le kae, ba dirile eng. E ne e le ya go batla mabaka fela le tletseng, le le tsamayang go ya fela kwa go 2021 ka one a a supang gore ba ne ba lebile rona. O dirile September, e re tlaabong re solofetse gore dilo tse di ditsholofetso ba sa leba Tautona, ba sa leba golo mo. Go tlhokafalang gore tsela e dirwe, di tlaa dirwa. ne go sena sepe se se mo thibelang mo ditsholofetsong tse a di dirileng gore a di diragatse, di bo di wele. Ke buisiwa se kana Mr Speaker ke lebaka la gore ga ke eletse gore batho ba ba bokone botlhaba, ba ba amiwang Ke eletsa gore ke tle ke ame dingwe dintlha gape tse ke ditsela tse ba latlhegelwe ke tshepho ya gore di tlaa di neng di amiwa, tse ke batlang go feta ka tsone ka dirwa. bokhutshwane mo nakong e e setseng. Ke a go utlwa Motlotlegi Tshere ka dikgang tse o neng o di bua tsa Nnyaa, di tlaa dirwa. Tsela ga e re fela fa o fetsa go Botswana Railways. O e amanya le gore fa e dira sentle, bua o bo o setse o simolotse o e dira letsatsi leo, o bona Mahalapye o dira sentle, fa e sa dire sentle, Mahalapye dikatakata di tsene mo teng. Go na le tse di tlhokang ga a dire sentle. Ee, gone go ka tsala kakanyo ya gore gore di dirwe. kgolo ya Mahalapye e tsalwa ke Botswana Railways, MR SALESHANDO: Clarification. Ke batla o wele mme tota fa gongwe re tshwanetse go sekaseka dilo sentle gore a wa re mathata e nnile madi a a le diileng re tsentse leitlho sentle mo teng. Ga go fetole se se gore tsela eo e dirwe? Kana mme Tautona o ne a ya kwa botlhokwa sa gore, ba Botswana Railways e re ba le

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kwa Mahalapye ba itse gore ba na le karolo ya go thusa Palamenteng kana o ka sasankega ka fa a neng a ratile mo go tsone ditlhabololo. Ba tshwanetse go itsamaisa, e ka teng… bile ba itsamaise ka tsela e ba bonang gore lefatshe le ba nang le lone, a le ka tswa le le kwa Palapye, ba le dirise HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!)… gore le ba tswele mosola... DR TSHABANG: Golo moo tota go supa fela gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Puso e ga e tseye State of Emergency serious, e bile go supa gore bone ke mo gotweng they are above the law MR SEGOKGO: Nnyaa, ke a kopa mma ke wele. ka Sekgoa, one wa State of Emergency. Re bone Tautona during lockdown a bitsa meeting wa Central Committee, HONOURABLE MEMBER: E khutshwanyane fela. ga gona kgato e e tserweng. Re bone Mothusa Tautona a MR SEGOKGO: Nnyaa ema jalo. E nngwe rra, ke go tsamaya mo ka State of Emergency a bitsa meetings tsa utlwile o bua gore seporo sa Mmamabula-Lephalale se Domkrag celebrating. Re bone Secretary General wa dia production. Ee, re batla go se dira, e bile re itse gore BDP a tlile kwa lesong kwa Tutume, a bina, go tsewa go ka thusa fa kae. Ke batla ke go reye ke re, fa e le gore videos. go na le gope kwa go nang le production e o itseng ka HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… yone, se re nang le sone gone jaana, it still has capacity to move production e wena o buang ka yone. Ke raya DR TSHABANG: Ke ne ke ka se ke ke attend go gore le mafoko a gago e nne e re fa gongwe fa o bua tletse jaaka go ne go tletse jaana. So, mo go supa gore sengwe, leka go tlhalosa ka botlalo. Ke gopola gore golo boeteledipele jwa Domkrag ba tsaya State of Emergency gongwe ke amile dintlha tse o neng o bua ka tsone tse ke for granted. Go diretswe Batswana, ga go a direlwa neng ke batla go di ama. lona. Le diretse Batswana State of Emergency, lona Mma ke wele ka e nngwe e o neng o batla go bua gore le sasankega mo le bo le boa le dira jaaka le batla. Le Tautona gape o kare ga a na boammaaruri, mo 215 Tautona o ne a address State of the Nation for more than kana 214. Kana golo foo go tshwantshanngwa dipalo two and a half hours. So, ke gone mo gotweng some tsa 2019 le tsa 2018, go bo go bolelwa ka kwelotlase animals are more equal than others. You are bad leaders; ya borukutlhi ya violent crime. Ga ke itse gore mathata you are not leading by example and le tshwanetse go ke eng, ka gore Tautona o ne a tsaya ka March 2018? ikgalemela. E bile Honourable Rakgare o tshwanetse go Dipalo tse di bolelwang di tsamaelana fela le paka e ithola marapo… Tautona a neng a eteletse setšhaba se. Tota fa gongwe a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… e re re batla gore re lebise gore ga gona boammaaruri, re bo re bua se e leng sone. Ke lemoga gore o ne o eleditse DR TSHABANG: Fa go pala, Tautona ke ene… gore tota o bolae gore ka tsela nngwe, katlego fa e le e teng fa e amanngwa le Tautona, nnyaa a e amanngwe le LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): On go feta fa. Nnyaa, ga re mo go tseo, tseo tota ke dilo tse a point of order. O nne o leka go bua Sekgoa jaaka o e leng gore ga ke tseye gore ke tse re tshwanetseng gore tlwaetse go se bua, gongwe o ka bua mo go utlwang. re bo re di setse morago. A e re re bua se re se buang, re bo re se bua se na le boammaaruri. Ke sone fela se ke Mma ke go thuse fa Dr Tshabang; o bua fela gore re batlang go se kopa. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. ne re sasankega, mme ga o bua tse re di dirileng re setse State of Emergency morago jaaka maloba ke le in DR TSHABANG (NKANGE): Thank you Mr Speaker quarantine ke tswa kwa. Tautona le ene o tlhola a le gore o bo o mphile sebaka se le nna ke akgele mo pegong mo quarantine dinako tsotlhe Batswana ba mo lebile. O ya botsogo jwa lefatshe ka Tautona. Mma ke simolole kare o bua lefufa fela. fela ke re ke tlaa akgela ka boitshwaro jwa boeteledipele jwa lefatshe le during COVID-19; State of Emergency. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Maloba re bone Minister a tsena mo Palamenteng, a ne MR SPEAKER: Dr Tshabang, there is no point of a tshwanetse to be quarantined a bo a sa dire jalo. Go order, continue. bo go tla rona Mapalamente gore re ikuele mo go wena gore a ntshiwe. Go bo go boa go tla gape Minister a bua DR TSHABANG: O setse a sa itse gore point of order gore, nnyaa ene o ne a sa laola gore Tona yoo o ka tla ke go fe, ke go ngongorega fela.

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Ke ne ke re Honourable Rakgare fa e ne e le gore Puso Botswana Meat Commission (BMC) ka bomo, le gone e re mo go yone e na le standards tsa leadership tse re ka bogoma. Ba reile Batswana in the past 10, 20 years ba di tlhokang mo nakong ya gompieno, o ka bo a ithola re improve the breeds tsa dikgomo. Batswana ba rekile marapo. Fa e le gore Honourable Rakgare o a pala, a dipoo, dikgomo tse di turang (breeds) le diphelefu. Ga Tautona a supe leadership ka go mo ntsha mo setilong. go na kwa ba isang dikgomo tsa bone teng. Francistown Ke a itse gore moo ke ditoro fela, ga gona go diragala BMC e tswetswe. Jaanong ke gakgamala re bolelelwa ka gore ke Puso e e sa sekegeleng tsamaiso e e siameng. gore e ka nna ya akanyetswa gore e ka nna ya nna butchery ya dipodi le dinku. Jaanong re isa kae dikgomo Gompieno fa re lebelela State of the Nation Address, tsa rona? Tautona ka 2019 o ne a re solofeditse Constitutional review. Le Batswana fa re address Kgotla meetings, ba HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Inaudible)… re botsa gore kana le rile le ya go dira Constitutional review, e kae? Rre Morwaeng o ne a eme ka dinao mo DR TSHABANG: Butchery. Palamenteng e e fetileng ya September a re by November go tlaabo go dirilwe terms of reference tsa Constitutional HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… review. Gompieno re utlwa Tautona a re no, e tlaa re DR TSHABANG: No, it is there. Tautona o ne a bua ngwaga o o tlang, re tlaa lebelela dikgang tse ka gore di sensitive, di batla re di atumela ka sensitivity le maturity. ka small stock gore Francistown BMC e ka nna ya O a bona fela gore Tautona o simolola to shift kwa pele. akanyetswa go nna butchery ya dipodi le dinku. Jaanong Ga a batle to deliver; he does not want to deliver his re isa kae dikgomo Honourable Tsogwane? promise. Le tlaa tlisa leng Constitutional review? Re e It has been a long time re sokola. Lobatse le Maun ba emetse ka matlho a mahibidu. kgakala. Maun ga go na tsela. Re nna re solefetswa; 2018, 2019 le 2020, “re tlaa baakanya Maun,” nothing. Kgang e nngwe gape ke ya land; lack of allocation ya Le batho ba ba ntseng jang lona? Le tshela kae rona re ditsha. Ka SONA ya 2019, Tautona o ne a re o tlaa ema ka tshela kae? Mo SONA re bolelelwa fela gore dilo di dinao go bona gore Batswana ba fiwa ditsha ka bofefo. a relela. Nnyaa, ga go na thelelo Mr Speaker. Re mo Fa e le gore gona le fa go patikang gore Batswana ba se mathateng, batho ga ba na kwa ba isang dikgomo teng. ka ba fiwa ditsha, o tlaa sutisa kgoreletso eo. Nako kgolo ke eno, Batswana ba sale ba filwe ditsha ka bo 2005 to Gompieno jaana fa re bua, dimmelara ke bone ba ba 2011. Gompieno we are here re utlwa kamoso gotwe akolang madi a dikgomo tsa kwa north ka gore fa ba tla go na le Strategic Environmental Assessment. Kamoso ba reka, ba re, “no, ke tlaa tla ke go fa madi,” ba tsamaela go na le lephata gatwe Department of Environmental ruri. Fa barui ba santse ba ntse o utlwa gotwe, “nnyaa, Affairs (DEA), ke lone le kganelang gore go seka kgomo ya gago re ka e duela P 1 500, ke condemn. Ke ga dirwa allocation ya ditsha, la re le batla madi a P500, gatwe e na le measles.” That is the state of those mantsi. Lephata la ga Goromente le batla madi mo go constituencies kwa north. Jaanong la re le baakanya Goromente gape? Kante maphata a lona ga a buisane? leng seemo se ka gore fa le bua la re nnyaa go siame Ga se Puso e nngwefela? E le gore go tlaa nna le lephata fela, mme rona re bona mathata? le lengwe le le kgoreletsang le lengwe go baya ditsha? Nnyaa, Puso e ke ya confusion, total confusion. Mr Speaker…

Re emetse gore Batswana ba fiwe ditsha. Fang Batswana MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, ditsha. Le fa, le nnetse go tshameka madiadia le sa fe a re eme ka one mathata ao, re tlaa a tsweledisa after Batswana ditsha. Ba tlaa fiwang ke mang fa ba sa fiwe lunch break. Honourable Members, let us go for our ke lona? Gompieno ba bangwe ba ipaya fela kwa bo lunch break, we will be back at 2:00 p.m. Tutume ka gore le a diega. Ba bona gore lefatshe le PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 1:00 P.M. FOR teng, ba ipeye. Lefatshe le teng. Ke lona le rotloetsang APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR bo maipaafela ka go diega. The people will occupy the land. PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 2:00 P.M.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, good afternoon. Let us continue with our business of DR TSHABANG: Mr Speaker, kwa ke tswang teng, today. I cannot see His Honour, but there is a question re na le mathata le market wa dikgomo. Ba tswetse directed to Leader of the House.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… gore totatota a mme lefatshe le le lemiwa sentle, e bile ga gona tshenyetso-setšhaba mo teng. Se se yang go MR SPEAKER: Honourable Leader of the Opposition. diragala kana se diragetse gompieno ke gore, go na le MR SALESHANDO: Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa form e balemi ba tlaa tshwanelwang ke gore ba ye go Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Go boammaaruri potso e e e tsaya kwa Ministry of Agricultural Development and neng e tsentswe gore e arabiwe ke Mothusa Tautona, Food Security kana kwa diofising tsa rona tsa agriculture jaaka Standing Orders di letla gore gangwefela mo lefatshe ka bophara. E e tlaabong e le affidavit e e dibekeng tse pedi o ka botswa dipotso, o rile ga a supang gore ke le semangmang, ke adimilwe lefatshe kgotsofalele dikarabo tse a di filweng go tla go di bega ke mang, e bile o nkadimile hectares tse kae, ke tle ke gompieno. O ne a kopa gore a e ka tsena beke e e tlang kgone go tsaya coupons tsa me ke bo ke ya go reka kwa ka Labone. Ke dumalane le ene gore e ka sutisediwa dishopong jaaka e le tlwaelo. Forms tsa teng re na le kwa go Labone yo o tlang. Ke a leboga. tsone, di tlaa ya kwa dikgaolong le kwa diofising tsotlhe mo Botswana, Batswana ba tle ba simolole go tsaya MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Leader of the dipeo gotlhe le menontshane jaaka e le tlwaelo. Opposition. Honourable Members, let us move on to the Motion. I am sorry, there are two questions at the back (ii) Jaaka ke setse ke tlhalositse, ga gona ope yo o which are Questions Without Notice. kganetseng, e bile ga gona ope yo o tlaa nnang disadvantaged. Potso ya bobedi ga go tlhokafale QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE gore ke ka e araba, ka gore re itse gore re tlaabo re disadvantage banana le botlhe ba e leng balemi- SUB-LETTING OF PLOUGHING FIELDS barui, ba ba akolang lenaneo la ISPAAD. MR S. N. MOABI (TATI WEST): asked the Minister (iii) Mr Speaker, fertilisers, dipeo and herbicides tse di of Agricultural Development and Food Security: laolang mohero, re tsere tshwetso ya gore di tlaa neelwa balemi-barui fela botlhe ka sections tsa (i) why the ministry does not allow for those without bone. Menontshane le dipeo di tlaa neelwa balemi ploughing fields to sublet from those that have ba ba nnyennyane kana subsistence farmers, go land of more than five hectares as has been the fitlha ka hectares tse four. Ba bo ba boa gape ba case; thusiwa go lemolola, kana go lema ka diterekere jaaka re e bitsa re re draught power jalo, go fitlha (ii) If he is aware that not allowing subletting of fields ka ditema tse four. Go na le ba bangwe ba re ba will deprive many Batswana, particularly young bitsang emerging farmers, ba ba simololang from farmers/youth an opportunity to plough; and five hectares, ba lema go fitlhaabout 150 hectares, (iii) the Honourable Minister to provide clarity on le bone ba na le lenaneo la bone. Go bo go nna le fertilizers, seeds, herbicides and other changes to ba e leng commercial farmers, ba ba simololang ka the new Integrated Support Programme for Arable 151 hectares go felela ka 500 hectares. Categories Agriculture Development (ISPAAD). tse jaaka ke di tlhalosa jaana, ke selekanyo se Puso e thusang balemi ba go nna jalo. Go sa reye gore ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL ope fela o kganelwa gore o ka lema ditema tse di DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MS fetileng tseo. As we speak, go na le balemi ba ba MANAKE): Ke a leboga Honourable Member, thank kgonang gore ba leme up to 2000 hectares, mme you Mr Speaker. Goromente o kgona go ba thusa go felela ka 500 hectares fela. I thank you Mr Speaker. (i) Mr Speaker, mma ke tlhomamisetse Ntlo e gore batho ba kgona go adimana mafatshe gore re MR MMOLOTSI: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr kgone go ba letlelela gore ba… Speaker. Tona, a mme o a itse gore ba lephata la gago bone kgang e ka fa ba e tlhalosang ka teng ba re, ba ya HONOURABLE MEMBER: Masimo. go letlelela gore tshimo e le nngwefela e bo e dirisiwa ke MS MANAKE: Masimo, gore re ba letlelele go akola motho a le mongwefela. Ke gore setlankana sa tshimo lenaneo la ISPAAD. Ga gona ope yo o emisitseng e le nngwefela se tlaa thusa motho a le mongwefela, ga kgang ya teng. Re ne re batlile gore gompieno, e nne go ka ke ga kgonagala to share tshimo jaaka go ne go le lenaneo le le tlhamaletseng, go nne le tshedimoso ya ntse go diragala. Ke gore ba ya go thusa motho fela yo

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o tlang ka certificatesa tshimo a re, tshimo e ke yang go most of them are applied through irrigation, in different lema mo go yone ke e. parts of irrigation either drip kana overhead. I thank you Mr Speaker. O tle o tlhalose Tona gore, jaanong when it comes to fertilisers, kana go na le menontshane ya bags and liquid MR MOABI: Supplementary. Tona, ke a leboga ka fa fertiliser. O tlhalose gone foo gore, a ba ba neelwang, o tlhalositseng ka teng. Ke kgang e e neng e tshwenya kana ditlhwatlhwa tsa teng ga di tshwane, le ya go dira Batswana kwa gae. E bile ke go leboge ka o tlhalositse ka tsela e e ntseng jang gore ba fertiliser ya 232 le liquid ka Setswana. Bonkukuarona kwa gae ba e utlwile. O e fertiliser ba kgone to benefit go tshwana? tlhalositse ka botswapelo Tona, ke a leboga.

MS MANAKE: Thank you Mr Speaker, thank you Tona, jaaka re ne re bua ka review of ISPAAD, o ka Honourable Member. Fela jaaka ke buile, mma ke tlhalosetsa Ntlo e le Batswana gore e tsamaya fa kae? Re ikope maitshwarelo kana re kopele lephata la rona solofela gore e tlaabo e fedile leng? Fa re lebile letlhoko maitshwarelo. Re ne re ka bo re sale re isitse form e la ditiro tse di kana, re solofele eng mo go yone Tona? kwa Batswaneng, ba kgone ba e tlhaloganye, especially Gongwe o ka tlhalosetsa Ntlo e. Ke a leboga. officers tsa rona ba ba mo dikgaolong. Form e fela jaaka ke setse ke tlhalosa, e supa gore certificate se se one se MS MANAKE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga o tlang ka sone seo, a re re diekere tsa teng di 16, go Honourable Moabi, o bo o buile ka kgang ya review raya gore mo teng, fa ke batla gore ke akole lenaneo ya ISPAAD. Kana review ya ISPAAD re a baakanya la ISPAAD ke le molemi, gongwe tsa me di tlaa nna gore e nne lenaneo le le tlhabololang batho, e bile le four, mme ke kgone gape gore ke adime ba le bararo, kgona go dira dijo. Gompieno se re se dirileng, ke mo e bo e tla e nna total ya 16 hectares. Re ya go dira go gotweng ISPAAD transitioning. Re a baakanya jaaka re na le affidavit, e dirisitse certificate se le sengwefela setse re buile gore ka di 31 tsa ga March, we will be seo, gongwe se accommodate farmers tse four. Go tlaa implementing a new one. ISPAAD e ka fa re batlang supafala ka gore, di tlaabo di na le Commissioner of gore e nne ka teng, re batla e ntshe dijo. Se Goromente Oath; go rurifaditswe ke Dikgosi, Molaodi kana kwa a se dirang gompieno, ke mo gotweng input focused. Re mapodiseng. Ke sone se se tlaa re thusang go ya pele. tsenya dilo mo mmung mme ga go na sepe se se tswang, Jaaka ke setse ke kopile maitshwarelo gore re tlaa make especially fa re lebeletse balemi ba ba botlana ba re ba sure gore these forms di fitlhelela mongwe le mongwe, bitsang subsistence farmers. e bile ba itse gore di bereka jang gore Batswana ba se ka ba tla ba nna inconvenienced jaaka go setse go diragatse, Se re lekang go se dira ka review, re batla jaaka re jaaka ke kopa maitshwarelo. setse re simolotse ka ISPAAD ya cluster fencing e Honourable Tshere kgantele a neng a re ga e bereke, Kgang ya fertilisers, mo ISPAAD re thusa ka mo ba go go na le kwa e berekang teng. ISPAAD review e, e bitsang ba re basal fertilisers. Fela jaaka o setse o buile ya go berekela Batswana. Go na le mabaka mangwe ka 323 le 233 ke e fa sekai. Se se diragetseng mono gore e bo e sa bereke. Re setse re remile ditlhare re le ngwaga, re na le fertilisers manufactures mo Botswana, Goromente in these clusters. Re santse re na le tlhaelo ba bontsi jwa bone e leng ba organic fertilisers, mme ya mechanisation. Ke yone e e santseng e saletse kwa Goromente o dirile restriction gore ga gona dipe morago. Jaanong ke dilo dingwe tse re di baakanyang organic fertilisers tse di tlaa tswang kwa ntle, tsotlhe gore Batswana ba tle ba boelwe. Letsatsi leno pula e fela fertilisers di tlaabo di rekiwa mo Botswana. Kwa e phaitse, seelo sa 150 hectares se bo se lemiwa. Re leng gore mebu ya teng e tlhokana le the organic matter, tshware bokgola, re kgone re ye kwa pele. we encourage gore balemi ba ye go tsaya fertilisers tse e leng tsa organic go bapa le dinoka, especially fa Ba ba setseng ba kopile jaaka Honourable Brooks re bua ka bone bo molapo farming. Eo we instructed maabane, gore ISPAAD e before re ya to implement it, kana directed gore go ya go dirisiwa organic fertilisers re tle kwa Komiting ya Agriculture ya ga Rre Reatile. fela tse di dirwang mo Botswana. Jaanong fa o bua ka Re tlaa tla to present kwa go lona, re bo re tsamaya le liquid fertiliser, e tlaa nna gone gore e ya go dirisiwa different stakeholders for them to appreciate, ba bo ba re jang? Is it a basal fertiliser kana ke e e leng folia e e gakolola mo go maleba. Se re batlang go se dira, ke gore godisang? Jaaka e le temo ya komelelo, go sena gore o go nne le maduo mo go se Goromente a thusang batho ka e dirisa jang, ka re setse re tlwaetse gore tsa liquid, ka sone. I thank you Mr Speaker.

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DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary. Ke a go leboga tse di kwa morago. Re solofetse gape gore fa re ka se Mr Speaker. Nnyaa wa leka Tona, e seng ba o fitlhelang ka ra baakanya ISPAAD e, re ya go boa gape re tla go ba ntse ba re ya go botsa potso e nngwe, ba palelwa. kopa supplementary. Ke sone se gompieno re bo re re, a Tona, ya kgaruru o e tlhalositse. Go ne go tsogile re fokotseng tshenyo e ntsintsi e re e bonang e tswa mo kgaruru e e seng kana ka sepe, e wetse. Jaanong go na ISPAAD. I thank you Mr Speaker. le e ya gore o bo o fokoditse ditema go tswa kwa go five go ya kwa go four. Kgang e, ke batla o e tlhalose MR LEUWE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. sentle gore e tsetswe ke eng? Ke e buisiwa ke gore, ka Tona, gompieno fela jaana, re ntse re amogela megala Budget, Minister wa lona, for ISPAAD o neetswe madi. e go lebegang officers tsa gago kwa dikgaolong, Ke dumela e ne e ka nna P500 million, mme la boa kwa information e o e buang fa e ise e goroge kwa go bone. morago la kopa motlaleletsa wa P200 million. Go raya Ba ntse ba busa batho ba ba bolelela gore tshimo ga e gore ngwaga ono le ka tswa le neetswe P700 million. adimanwe. Potso ya ga Leuwe ke gore, information e o Kutlwisiso ya me ke gore, le ne le kopa madi a, based e re fang fa, e ya go goroga leng to your officers tse di mo hectarage le palo ya batho ba ba neng ba lemile kwa tsele tse di busang batho? ngwaga o o fetileng. Go bo go raya gore fa le se na go E nngwe Tona ke a gakgamala fa o re, le ne le duelelela kopa madi, le a fiwa ka thulaganyo le data ya ngwaga le batho ba ba iseng ba tsholwe. Rona re itse gore nako o o fetileng. Le bo le fokotsa dipalo tsa batho, golo foo le nako fa o lema, go batliwa Omang wa gago le wa go tsile jang Tona? A go raya gore jaanong le ya go busa mong wa tshimo yo o go adimileng le setlankana. Ba madi a mangwe ka gore le fokoditse diekere tse di ka ba iseng ba tsholwe bao, le ba duela jang ka gore motho bong di lemilwe ngwaga ono? Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. mongwe le mongwe yo o lemang, o lema a ntshitse copy ya Omang? Thank you Mr Speaker. MS MANAKE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga Honourable Gobotswang. Fa e sale ka ISPAAD MS MANAKE: Thank you Honourable Member. e simologa, e bidiwa gotwe it is an open-ended Golo moo ke ne ke e fa sekai. Ke sone se gompieno programme. Ga go na fa e simologang teng le fa e ke reng, form ya rona e tsenya Omang wa gago le emang teng. Sengwe se re lekileng go se dira ka form sengwe le sengwe. Ka fa go diragalang ka teng, o ka e ke ntseng ke e supa e, ke gore motho o tlaabo a re tsena mo balemising ba rona, o tla o kwala gore ke wena ke adimile bongwanake tshimo. A tla ka tshimo ya 16 semangmang-semangmang jaaka o bua. O tla o tshwere hectares, mme Goromente o ya go feleletsa a duetse setlankana sa tshimo ya gago le Omang wa gago. O bo 200 hectares from tshimo e. Go kwadisiwa le bana ba o kwadisa mo bukeng e. Fa nako ya teng e setse e tlile, ba underage, ba bangwe ba ise ba tsholwe. Ke fa sekai; o tlile go tsaya dipeo fela. Go se na sepe se se bonang madi a mangwe a mantsintsi a re a duelang, ke gore go gore ka mmannete tshimo e ke ya ga Rre Leuwe, e bile na le leakages tse re tswang ka tsone kwa morago. Re o ya go rentisetsa bana ba gagwe ba le kana kana masika bo re boa gape re dira analysis. We have evaluated gore a gagwe a le kana. ISPAAD e ntse e dira jang. On average, subsistence farmers mo Botswana, ba lema ditema tse tharo kana Gape ISPAAD ka fa e ntseng ka teng, especially ya tse pedi. I am sure o a gakologelwa fa o tla ka Motion subsistence farming, re lemogile gore batho ga ba sa wa gago mo Palamenteng, o ne o re o batla batho to tlhole ba gola. They are now restricted to the five hectares broadcast ka ba itemela mo go nnyennyanenyana. Ga yo Goromente a ntseng a ba thusa ka ene. Ka Goromente ba tlhokane le tractor. Re lemogile gore balemi ba ba o ntse a ba thusa ka ene, kwa re batlang go ya teng, botlana, ba lema gone foo. Ka se re nang le sone, budget we want to see our farmers progress to the next level. ya rona overspill to the next year because go bulegile. Jaanong ke sone se re reng, a re baakanyeng lenaneo le. Jaaka gompieno, re setse re kwadisitse batho ba le E se ka ya nna gore letsatsi le letsatsi, ke batla go adima 93 000 by end of July. Re bo re boa gape re letlelela ngwanake tshimo e, ke batla go adima ngwanake tshimo two weeks more gore re nne inclusive. Ba ba neng ba e. Re batla gore fa o lemile five hectares ngwaga o, o o sa utlwa, kana ba sa itse gore go na le cut-off point ya tlang o ye kwa go 10 hectares. Ngwaga o o tlang e bo registration, ba kgone gore ba dire. le wena o ipona o le kwa go 500 hectares. Re ka dira se when we plan sentle jaaka re batla go e dira jaana. Budget e re e tshwereng fa pele ga rona gompieno, ke madi a a kana ka P323 million wa ISPAAD ya ngwaga Kgang ya gago ya information, we appreciate it. ono. A mangwe ale a P400 million, a setse a dueletse Minister e rile a tswa fa, o ile kwa ofising to make sure

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gore information e ya kwa balemising le bana ba rona thata ka tsone, mme re tlaa tokafatsa ka fa re rerang le jaaka re e ntsha jaaka gompieno. Re a go solofetsa gore lona kana re buang le lona ka teng. I thank you. before end of today, re bo re rometse savingrams, re dirile press release, re bo re ye kwa seromamoweng, re MR MOTSAMAI: Supplementary Mr Speaker. Tona, tlhalosetse Batswana le kwa television gore ke eng se se o mphitise fa, o ntse o re re tlaa, re tlaa, ke na le tshepo tshwanetse gore se diragale. Re bo re se diragatsa jaaka le tumelo ka gore o kile wa bua jalo mme wa ya go re dumalane le Batswana. I thank you. kgabola golo gongwe kwa kgaolong kwa Gantsi South. Jaanong Tona, o gatelele gore mo lebakeng le le kae le MR MAJAGA: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Motlotlegi tlaabo le setse le ikaeletse to reach Batswana; le ipeetse Tona le Mopalamente yo o neng a botsa potso e. O selekanyo se se kana ka eng? tlhalosa fela sentle jaaka le e tle le tlhalose ka Botswana Ya bofelo, o santse o le foo o tseye mofago, kwa Meat Commission (BMC) le dinama. Potso ya me ke kgaolong ya Kanagas, go na le dilelo tsa research farm gore, le tlaa bua bontle re le mo Ntlong e, go riana form tse di amanang le ministry wa gago. E setse e le kgwedi e o e buang e, le one Mapalamente ga go na yo o nang le e tsamaela kwa go botlhano, a ga o bone gore o feta o yone. Jaanong le tlaabo le re go tswa foo press release. senya your track record ka go diya dikgang tse? Ke ne Kwa Sekondoboro di ya go lala di gorogile leng? Go ke re ke go tsenye gone foo. Araba. ya go tsaya two weeks mme kana ploughing season has already started. MS MANAKE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Kgang ya gore mo lebakeng le le kae, re ne re ipoleletse gore Since October batho ba ntse ba lema, mme mathata one letsatsi leno through writing, re tlaabo re fitlheletse a teng. Re a itse gore mo dikgaolong tse dingwe balemisi Batswana ka bontsi, mme re tlaa tswelela, beke e yotlhe ga ba na dikoloi tsa go ka bolelela batho. Jaanong kgang le e e tlang gore re tswelele re ntse re bua gore Batswana e Tona, ke eng e re le dira dilo, le bo le sa dira gore ba itse gore ba tshwanetse go ya kae, e bile ba dire jang balemisi le agricultural district coordinators, ba bo ba ka lenaneo la ISPAAD. A mangwe fela jalo le jalo, le na le information, e re le e phunya kwano, ka kwa go bo one re tlaa simolola go bona gore how do we improve go sena sepe se se batlegang. communication plan ya rona for mananeo a rona to benefit Batswana ka fa go tshwanetseng. E nngwe gape ke gore, kana re a itse gore malatsinyana a re lemela le dihutshane kana leruo jaaka re bona E nngwe e o neng o bua ka yone, re tlaa tla re e bua, re e initiatives tse di teng, re aba dipodi, dipoo, ke eng le baakanya sentle ka gore go na le tse dintle tse re batlang sa dire gore fa motho a na le setlankana sa sediba, fa a go di dira ka kgang e o neng o bua ka yone. I thank you. batla gore five hectares a lemele leruo, a kgone go dira? Ke a leboga. MR PULE: Thank you Mr Speaker, good afternoon Sir. Honourable Minister, ya me e nnyennyane fela ke gore, MS MANAKE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Honourable go na le batho bangwe ba ba nang le masimo mme ba ise Majaga ke ipolelela gore ya information re setse re e ba…(Inaudible)… ditlankana ba re neng re itse ba ya go buile, e bile ke kopile maitshwarelo, re tlaa baakanya go ...(Inaudible)... Ke a leboga. yeng pele ka structures tsotlhe tse re nang le tsone tsa bo District Agricultural Coordinator (DAC) le balemisi MS MANAKE: Ke a go leboga. Eo jaaka e santse e ba rona fela jalojalo. ntse jaana, go batla gore re ye go e buisanya le ba ba bangwe, re bo re lebe gore a le yone policy e a re letla Ya bofelo e o neng o e bua, re na le mananeo, even gompieno gore re ka ba thusa, mme ke ipolelela gore under ISPAAD, e e thusang ka go lemela dihutshane ke tlaa e tsaya mofago, re tlaa tla re tswelela re bua ka kana fodder production. Re bo re boa gape re nna le yone. I thank you. lenaneo le lengwe under Livestock Management and Infrastructure Development (LIMID) le le lebaganeng MR LUCAS: Supplementary Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga le tsone fa o na le setlankana sa sediba kwa morakeng Tona gore o bo o kgonne go bua boammaaruri gore go gore o kgone to produce fodder. Lone ga le ka fa tlase ga na le tlhakatlhakano e e dirwang ke gore le ntshitse ISPAAD, le ka fa LIMID. So ke supe jalo gore ke dilo information and forms late. Jaanong mo mafelong a tse di leng teng, mme re tlaa simolola go di bua thata mantsi go na le tlhaelo e ntsi ya balemisi, go bo go raya gore Batswana ba simolole go akola mananeo a a ntseng gore information fa le e ntshitse late jaana, go tlile go jaana ka gore di teng, ke gore fela Batswana ga ba itse nna thata gore e goroge kwa dikgaolong ka gore ga go

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na balemisi mo dikgaolong tse di ntsi. Le ikaelela go wena fa go buiwa ka letlhoko la ditiro le le kanakana, go dira eng go itebaganya le seemo se sa gore go bo go buiwa ka babereki ba ba leng mo dijarateng fela ba sa sena balemisi mme information e gorogile late? Thank bereke, a o bona go siame gore le ka hira banana ba ba you very much. sa berekeng ba le temporary mme letlhoko la ditiro le le teng, mme go tlhokafala gore ba tswelele ba dire tiro eo MS MANAKE: Ke a leboga Honourable Lucas. Se on permanent basis? Ke eng le sa ba hire on permanent re rileng re ya go se dira, re ya go thapa banana ba basis? Ke issue ya ntlha that is addressing temporary. nakwana gore ba kgone go re thusa kgang e, e bile ba kgone to cover lefatshe le lotlhe ka nako e e rileng. Se Drones; ke eng le na le keletso ya go dirisa drones gona le gore le hire batho, re lebile seemo sa letlhoko sengwe se re yang go se dira ngwaga ono ke go dirisa la ditiro? Drones tse o buang ka tsone di ya go goroga technology jaaka e tshwana le drones jaana to measure leng, have you ordered them? Kana temo e simolotse fa masimo, gore re se ka ra nna le batho ba le bantsi ba re re bua jaana. Tanki. ba tlhokang when measuring masimo. Jaanong ke selo sengwe se re yang go se dira, kana go dirisa technology MS MANAKE: Ke simolole ka kgang ya drones, jalo gore e kgone go re fokoletsa kgang e ya balemisi. Lephata la Banana la bo Honourable Billy le setse le Ke bue gore kgang e ya go tlhaela ga balemisi, e teng, neetse banana ba le bantsi loans tsa gore ba reke drones, e bile re a e tlhaloganya, e bile re setse re simolotse go e bile ba na le tsone, ba emetse gore fela gompieno fa re berekela mo go yone. Re bo re boa gape re berekela mo letsa hutara, ba bo ba tla kwa go rona go re thusa. Se re dilong tse di ka re thusang go fefosa tiro ya rona fa re se dirang gompieno re re ka nakwana, re lemogile gore leng teng. I thank you. re na le potential e ntsi mo agriculture, mme e bile re batla gore banana ba rona re ba bontshe opportunities MS MONNAKGOTLA: Supplementary Mr tse di tlaa dirang ditiro tsa sennelaruri, e bile tse e leng Speaker. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, good afternoon. Ke gore di tlaa ba busetsa. ...(Inaudible)… Tona gore Tona, ke a go utlwa sentle ka gore o ne o re o ya go oketsa balemisi ka gore ke Fa re santse re le gone foo, ba kgone go hira bangwe ka bone go yeng pele. Ke sone se re reng, mo go temporary, a itse gore balemisi ga ba yo mo dikgaolong tsa rona, go na le opportunities within the Agricultural Sector bogolo jang kwa Kgalagadi North. Letlhoko le le ntsi le value chains tsa teng tse re di lebeletseng in the kwa Kgalagadi North ke la dikoloi, ga di yo. Ke ipotsa industrialisation of the food systems. Kgang ga se go gore fa o oketsa staff mme go sena dikoloi, jaanong ba thiba fela ka gore tsayang batho le ba hire, kgang ke settlements ba ya go tshwarwa jang, ba a go lema jang gore re tlhabolola batho jang ka sennelaruri e bile le nako e setse e tsamaile? Ke a leboga Tona. matshelo a motia a le bone ba tlaa ikisang pele. Ke e MS MANAKE: Ke a leboga Honourable Monnakgotla. tlhalose foo gore kgang ga se go hira batho fela, re batla Jaaka ke setse ke buile, letlhoko la balemisi le dikoloi, gore batho ba itirele dikgwebo, ba nne le letseno le le le aname lefatshe le lotlhe, ga se kwa Kgalagadi North botoka ba bo ba hire le ba bangwe. I thank you. fela, le kwa ga Motlotlegi Lucas le fa a sa bue gore ga go HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. na. Ke kgang e e teng, ke sone se ke reng re leka go tla ka metlhale mengwe ya sesha go leka gore gongwe we HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary, Mr can provide extension service ...(Inaudible)…letlhoko Speaker. la dikoloi. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. Kgang e nngwe gape jaaka ke setse ke umakile ka kgang ya drones, re di bone di re thusa thata kwa MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary, we have another Pandamantenga go na le dinonyane le diji tse di ntseng question. jalo gore re kgone go hema gore re na le tsone. Re MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary. Thank you. simolola go tsaya metlhale e mesha ya technology go Minister, ke go botse gore ka gore Lephata la Banana re thusa go tlhabolola temo-thuo ya rona. I thank you. le na le ngwaga otlhe le half le sa ba neele dithuso DR TSHABANG: Supplementary Mr Speaker. Tanki tsa loans, le kgona jang go solofetsa mo nakong ya Mr Speaker, good afternoon Honourable. Tona, re utlwa gompieno gore di tlaa tswa ka gore up to this level, ga thata o bua ka temporary workers and drones, mme gape re ise re nne le loans tse di duleng tsa financial year ya re utlwa o bua ka tlhaelo ya balemisi. Ke ipotsa gore a 2020/2021? Thank you.

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MS MANAKE: Nnyaa, ke ne ke re ba ba setseng ba Re tsweletse jaana Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo neetswe, ga ke re a banana ba ye go tsaya madi kwa tsa Palamente; Youth. Lephata leo le setse le neetse banana ba ba rekileng drones e bile ba di dira as business, gore ke • Chobe Land Board; re ya go baya ditsha di le bone ba gompieno re yang go bereka le bone kana ba ya 1,645 mo metseng e e tshwanang le Parakarungu le go re thusa to provide service ya bone e re e tlhokang ka Kazungula. nako e e leng teng gompieno, gore masimo a kgone to • Tati Land Board re ya go baya ditsha di le be measured ka nako e bile batho ba kgone go duelwa 2,130 mo metseng e e tshwanang le bo Tati ka nako. Jaaka go ntse jaana, go na le bo rraditerekere Siding, Masingwaneng, Matsiloje, Masunga le ba ba iseng ba duelwe for the last ploughing season, ke Matshelagabedi. sone se re reng re imekamekanye le technology gore e re thuse go tokafatsa kana go fefosa dilo gore re kgone • Ngwato Land Board, re mo kabong ya ditsha tse go ya pele, re ntshe dijo tse re di tlhokang e bile di na di sa tlhabololwang di le 8,371 mo metseng e e le dikotla jaaka ke ne ke utlwa kgantele Honourable tshwanang le bo Shoshong, Damchojenaa, Chadibe, Tshere a bua. Ke tsone dilo tse re di batlang e bile re Nata, Radisele le Lerala. di dira. Ga re a lebelela food security fela, re lebeletse • Kweneng Land Board re aba ditsha mo sebakeng le nutrition security, gore bana ba rona ba gole sentle e sa gompieno, ke bua fela ka ditsha tse di sa nne baeteledipele ba ba re gaisang kamoso jaaka go ntse tlhabololwang di sena ditlamelo. Re aba ditsha di le jaana. I thank you Mr Speaker. 1,308 mo metseng e e tshwanang le Mogoditshane, Mantshwabisi, Gamodubu, Lentsweletau le ALLOCATION OF UNSERVICED LAND Thamaga. MR T. F. LEUWE (TAKATOKWANE): asked the Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation • Tawana Land Board re aba ditsha di le 3,402 mo Services to provide a progress update on assurances metseng e e tshwanang le bo Gumare, Seronga, made during the Third Meeting of the First Session Maun le Komana. of the 12th Parliament with respect to allocation of • Kwa Rolong Land Board re aba ditsha, re baya batho unserviced land. ba le 576 mo metseng e e tshwanang le Pitsane le MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER Good Hope. AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): • Kwa Ghanzi Land Board re baya batho ba le Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke tseela gore ke kile ka araba potso e mo sebakeng 7,902 mo metseng e e tshwanang le Charles Hill, se se fetileng. Mo sebakeng sa gompieno, se motlotlegi Kalkfontein, Chobokwane, West Hanahai le Kuke. a se botsang kana a se kopang ke tekodiso mabapi Tota maiteko a rona mo sebakeng sa gompieno, ke go le thulaganyo ya rona ya kabo ya ditsha tse di sa tlhabololwang ka ditlamelo. Mo karabong e ke neng netefatsa gore ka gore fa re rerisa Batswana ka kgang ke e neetse motlotlegi fa a ne a e boditse nako ele, ya gore a re le beye mo ditsheng tse di sa tlhabololwang ke ne ka tlhalosa gore re na le kgwetlho ya tlhaelo ya di sena ditlamelo, bontsi jwa bone ba a dumalana, ba madi go tsenya ditlamelo tse di tshwanang le metsi, tlhaloganya gore ka gore re na le tlhaelo ya madi, se se motlakase, ditsela le ditirelo tsa kgopo ya metsi a a leng botoka mo nakong ya gompieno ke go bewa, mme leswe mo ditsheng, mo go raya gore re ne re saletse kwa mo tsamaong ya nako ditlamelo di tlaa goroga, re ba morago mo kabong ya ditsha. Melao le melawana e e baya ka tumalano yone eo. Ba ba sa batleng go bewa beilweng ke Palamente e e tlotlegang e, e re boleletse mo ditsheng tse di senang ditlamelo, re ba buseletsa gore keletso ya yone ke go neela Batswana ditsha tse mo mokwalong kana mo thulaganyong ya baikopedi ba di tlhabolotsweng e bile di na le ditlamelo. Legale, ka ditsha ya waiting list. Ke tseela gore ke yone karabo ya gore motlotlegi o kopile tekodiso, e rile morago ga fa ke me. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. araba potso ya gagwe, re ne ra tsena mo thulaganyong ya MR LEUWE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. gore re fefose kabo ya ditsha tse di iseng di tlhabololwe Ke lebogela tlhaloso ya gago eo Tona, le fa jaanong e e bile di sena ditlamelo. Tota tshimologo ya kgang e e ne rile o bala, nna mong wa leso ke sa utlwa o bala kwa e le gore motlotlegi o ne a kile a tla ka Tshutiso mabapi kgaolong ya me. Ke utlwa o bala bo 7,000 le 8,000, le kgang e. which I appreciate gore go raya gore kopo ya me ya to

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suspend policy ele e berekile. Letshwenyego la me ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. gore kwa kgaolong e ke e emetseng fa ya Takatokwane, e ke itseng gore e na le land board, ga ke a utlwa o e MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moatlhodi followed by bala. A jaanong fa ke ka tla ka Tshutiso ke go lebaganya Honourable Majaga. le yone, ke tlaa boke go diretse sentle kana jang ka gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: A-a! ba Takatokwane ba ntse ba a lela ka gore ga ba a utlwa o ba bala mo teng? Tanki Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Thank you Mr Palamente. Speaker…

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Ke tseela MR MOATLHODI: Supplementary. Ke a go leboga gore re santse re saletse kwa morago kwa kgaolong Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente… ya gago. Mo sebakeng sa gompieno re baya fela ba le bararo, mme jaaka o bona re ba baya jaana, re santse re HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… saletse kwa morago mo thulaganyong ya go baya kwa kgaolong ya gago motlotlegi. MR MOATLHODI: Galani pasi Ta Tshepi, ku mile nkulu wenyu. Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Mo kgannyeng ya bobedi ya gore fa o ka tla ka Tshutiso Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona, a ya gore re fefose thulaganyo e, re ka e amogela fela le lemoga gore e re le mororo selelo sa Batswana ba jaaka nako ele fa o ne o tlile ka ele. Ke ne ka buisana le re ba ka amogela ditsha tse di sa tlhabololwang se le wena mme ra re Tshutiso ya gago ke e, re ka e amogela kwa godimo, as technocrats on land, gore e re le mororo re le lephata, re ka e atla mme ke e re ka tlang ra tsena selelo sa Batswana se le kwa godimo ba batla ditsha tse mo thulaganyong ya go netefatsa gore go a kgonagala. di sa tlhabololwang, go ya go nna dingalo thata ka gore Ke a leboga. go tswa fa go tlaabo go re le tsenye mealo jaanong e e tlhokafalang; dipompo tsa kgopo ya leswe, motlakase, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Supplementary. metsi mme lona le setse le neetse batho ditsha, dikatakata di ya go tlamega go senyaka metse e le beileng batho fa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. godimo ga yone.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Gobotswang. Finally, fa o ntse o bua jaana Honourable Minister, ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ao! batho ba Modimo. amogela molaetsa o tswa kwa Tonota gore o ya go baya ditsha leng? Ke a leboga. DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Gongwe Tona a re tlhalosetse gore o dirisa MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Fa ke ne ke eng go tlhopha metse fa gare ga e mengwe? Le gone bua, ke ne ke re re baya kana re sega kwa re dirileng rraetsho fa o ntse o bua ka Chadibe, bo Chadibe ba tota mealo ya ditlamelo tse di tshwanetseng gore di tsene ba re direla mathata, o nne o tlhalosa ka gore re na le mo setsheng. Moalo o tlaabo o baakantswe mme Chadibe o o kwa Land Board ya Sefhare le yo mongwe ditlamelo di ise di tsenngwe. Go raya gore ga re tle go o etla a bidiwa Borolong ka kwa North. Ke a leboga Mr tla re hudusa batho kana re leka go sutisa batho gore re Speaker. tsenye pipes kana lines tsa motlakase. Se se botlhokwa go tlhaloganngwa ke gore, go tsenya ditlhabololo MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Mo sebakeng kana ditlamelo morago ga peo ya batho go tura go sa gompieno re baya mo ditsheng tse di santseng di feta go tsenya ditlamelo pele ga re baya batho. Eo re segilwe, di na le moalo wa gore re baya batho ka tsela e tshwanetse gore re e tlhaloganye. Ka gore re Goromente e ntseng jang. Ga go reye gore re feletse gone fa, kana yo o reetsang, fa Batswana beng ba lefatshe ba tla ka ke thulaganyo. Metse e mengwe le yone fa re fetsa ka megopolo kana dikakanyo tsa gore re dire jalo, re a mealo; design and layout tsa teng, re ya go tswelela re dumalana, le fa batlotlegi ba tla ka megopolo e e ntseng baya ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. Mo potsong ya bobedi, ke jalo, re felela re dumalana gore a re ba beye, ditlamelo raya Chadibe wa kwa kgaolong ya gago motlotlegi. Ke di tlaa tla kwa morago, mme re ba baya fa re setseng re a leboga. dirile mealo teng.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Supplementary. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary Mr MR MZWINILA: Mo go ya gore re ya go baya leng Speaker. kwa Tonota? Ke tsaya gore jaaka ke ne ke bua, re saletse

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kwa morago mo dikgaolong tse dingwe mme re tlaa teng bontsi jwa nako, go raya gore re tlaa boela mo goroga kwa Tonota motlotlegi. Ke a leboga. Palamenteng, kwa Ntlong e e tlotlegang, go tla go buisanya le Mapalamente, gore a mme jaanong re fefose MR MAJAGA: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr thulaganyo e, re oketse dipalo tsa rona tsa ditsha tse re Speaker, ke a leboga Tona le Honourable Leuwe ka tlaabong re baya mme go sena ditlamelo mo go tsone. potso e e botlhale e. Tona, a ga o ka ke ya re gongwe Mo sebakeng sa gompieno re dira jaana ka gore, jaaka fa Palamente e ya go tswa, fa go kgonega, wa bo o re re tlhaloganya mokwalo wa teng, fa gotwe desirable, go diretse list ya metse e e yang go bona sengwe ka gore tewa gore ke keletso, ga gotwe ke taelo. Ke a leboga. gompieno jaana ba ya go re tlhasela ba re ga re a ba utlwa? HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

Ya bobedi; re a bo re tlaa bua gone fa jaaka o tlhalosa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. Tona, le maiteko a gago re a bona, e bile re a akgola, ke eng o sa re mo posts tse di teng kwa Directorate of MR SPEAKER: The last supplementary, Honourable Public Service Management (DPSM), wa ya go kopa Member for Francistown West. fela gore o okelediwe staff se se ka yang go thusa kwa MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary. Dikgang tse sub-land boards go dira mealonyana e mennyennyane di unyologang kwa land boards di supa gore ga le ya bo mini layout gore go bewe Batswana, ka gore na physical planners, le dirisa tsa khansele. Ke botsa ke selelo sa khuranyo ya meno lefatshe le lotlhe la Tona gore go boammaaruri go le kae ka gore ba re ke Botswana? Ke a leboga. gone fa tiego e tsenang teng ka le kopa bodiredi kwa MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Mo khanseleng? Thank you. kgannyeng ya ntlha ya gore a ke ka tla ka mokwalo o MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Bodiredi o supang gore re ya go baya fa kae kana re tsweletse ka thulaganyo ya go baya fa kae kwa metseng efe? jwa ba physical planning ba kwa dikhanseleng, mme ka Ke amogela gore re ka dira jalo pele ga Palamente e molao bo ka fa tlase ga Tona wa Merero ya lefatshe. tswalwa. Go raya gore ba tsamaisiwa ka melao ya rona, mme mo tsamaisong ya Goromente, re ba beile kwa dikhanseleng Mo kgannyeng ya bobedi ya gore re okelediwe bodiredi; ka gore ba dira ditiro tse dingwe tse di thusang khansele, e molemo thata, e le rona re e amogelang. Kopo ya rona tse di leng botlhokwa thata mo khanseleng le rona. Ke ke gore, fa go kgonagala re okelediwe bodiredi mme a leboga. kana re a itse gore bodiredi jwa ga Goromente re bo kgaogana le maphata a mangwe, a le one a romilweng HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. ditiro tse di botlhokwa jaaka tsa rona. Fa gongwe go tle go nne thata gore re atlege mo dikopong tsa rona tsa MR SPEAKER: Ke mo gotweng Honourable Tshere e bodiredi ka gore maphata a mangwe le one a romilwe tšhaile, e emeletse kwa Mahalapye. tse di botlhokwa fela jaaka tsa rona. Ke a leboga. RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT’S MR MATHOOTHE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr SPEECH Speaker. Ke ne ke re ke botse Tona fela gore; ka gore ba Motion ya go aba ditsha tse di sa tsenngwang ditlamelo, a se se raya gore they are going to amend the policy gore e tle e (Resumed Debate) nne in line le se ba se dirang? MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members! MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Ke kgang e When the House adjourned for lunch, Honourable Dr re e neetseng ba semolao. Fa le ka bala policy, Sekgoa Tshabang. O ngai? You have 24 minutes, 24 seconds. se balega se re, “it is desirable that we allocate on serviced land.” Ke gore ke keletso, mme jaanong go DR TSHABANG: Ndiyapo Neswimbo. na le mo gotweng ke keletso, le mo gotweng gape ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: A itswana chi kona o taelo. Jaanong re santse re e sekaseka le ba melao gore a lebeleke ne Ikalanga ka. mme jaaka gotwe it is desirable, a go a re tlama gore re beye kwa re tsentseng ditlamelo teng? Fa e le gore go a DR TSHABANG: Ndo lebeleka Ikalanga mo se ware re tlama gore re beye batho kwa re tsentseng ditlamelo Botate. Thank you Mr Speaker. Tla ke ye fela kwa

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kgannyeng ya me e ke neng ke tshwanetse gore ke ye ye go lema? Mr Speaker, mo go supa fela gore Puso ya kwa go yone fa ke tswa mo go ya farmers gore ga re na ga Tautona Rre Masisi le Domkrag ke ya ditsholofetse market kwa north. that are not delivered. Kgang ya ditlou le tshenyo ya diphologolo tsa naga e tswa kgakala Batswana ba lela Kgang e e latelang ke ya decentralisation, gore ba ba ka yone, mme ga e na tharabololo, tshenyo e ntse e a tshwanang le rona kwa bo Tutume Sub-District, re oketsega. Go supa gape gore ga gona delivery, re batla sale re emetse gore go ka lejwalejwa gore Tutume e ka delivery Mr Speaker. tsholediwa ya nna a fully-fledged district. Re ne re utlwa Tautona ka 2019 a bua gore e tla lejwalejwa, mme nako MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL kgolo ke eno, ga re a utlwa a e bua go supa gore o kare RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM o boetse kwa morago. Nako ya teng ke ne ke dumalana (MS KERENG): Point of clarification. Ke a leboga le Honourable Molale a bua gore go tlaa lejwalejwa Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a leboga dikgang tsone tse. Re ne re dumalana ka 2019 gore motlotlegi. O buile sentle gore le solofeditswe gore e tlaa dikgaolo tse di setse di tsene mo seemong sa gore di ka re ka December analysis kana review ya compensations tsholediwa jaanong tsa nna full districts, le yone ya kwa e bo e setse e dirilwe, re bo re ya go nna fatshe re le o tswang teng ya Borolong. Jaanong o tshwanetse gore neela. Re supa gore diphologolo tse di senyang mme di o tsenngwe mo toronkong gore o bo o boetse kgang eo ne di seyo mo compensation di tlaabo di tsene ke dife, kwa morago. Ga o ka ke wa re tshepisa, o bo o boela le gore madi jaaka a tlaabo a sekasekwa, a tlaabo a nnile kwa morago, gape o le Minister wa Local Government botoka ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Jaanong ka o buile ka and Rural Development. O tshwanetse o tlhalose gore December, o re utlwile sentle, ga se gore o tle re ye go go diragetse eng ka o ne o re tshepisitse fa re ntse re bua, emelana gore report eo fa e tswa, re tle re e lebelele re dumalana. O se ka wa lebala gore o ikanne (oath) rra. mmogo? Re maswabi gore kgang e e ntse e saletse kwa morago, go supagala jaaka dikgang tse dingwe gore Tautona le DR TSHABANG: …(Laughter!)… Thank you Mma boeteledipele jwa Puso ya Domkrag ga bo na delivery, Kereng, mme ga o a araba gore a Batswana ba ye go ga le diragatse ditsholofetso. Fa re leng teng, Motswana lema ka gore ditlou tsone di eme mo masimong, di a mongwe le mongwe kwa a leng teng, fa a lebelela tsena. E bile kwa go rona ga re itse gore re senyeditse SONA e, o ipotsa gore ene o fa kae. Ga go na delivery. lefatshe le eng ka gore tlou fa e ka kgabola fela mo south Kgang e nngwe Mr Speaker, ke ya human and wildlife e a bolawa, kwa go rona gatwe re tshele le tsone… conflict. Ka 2018, Tautona o ne ya Nkange Constituency HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!)… ka helicopter; 2017/2018, a ya to assess tshenyo ya ditlou mo masimong a Nkange Constituency, a bo a re DR TSHABANG: Fa ke bua jaana Hwange National solofetsa gore ke bone, ke tlaa ya go tla ka tharabololo, Park e hudugetse mo Nkange Constituency, ditlou tsa ga le na go tlhola le bona ditlou mo masimong a lona. teng di tletse fela gone kwa. Re senyeditseng Goromente 2019 o ya kwa Kgotleng ya Tutume, potso ya teng wa Domkrag? Fa e kgabola fela mo Molepolole e e a tswa gape, gore kana ga re a tsoga ke ditlou, a re a bolawa, kubu e kile ya kgabola somewhere fa ya “nnyaa, e tlaa re fa ke setse ke tsere full mandate ka bolawa. Nare e kile ya bonwa fela kwa southern, ga October 2019, kgang e ke tlaa e rarabolola.” 2019, tswalwa sengwe le sengwe ga itebeganngwa le nare e, State of the Nation Address o a solofetsa gore ditlou ya bolawa… di tlaa kobiwa mo masimong, le tlaa ya go lema. Re mo go 2020 State of the Nation Address, kgang e ga HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… e na tharabololo. Ba a botsa Batswana kwa Nkange Constituency gore a re ye go lema Honourable Kereng, DR TSHABANG: …(Laughter!)… ga re itse gore e ka gore di teng ditlou di eme gore fa ba sena go nna tswa go bolaelwa kae. Jaanong kwa ditlou dikampile, ga ba lema, di bo di tsena mo masimong? Re tlhokana le gona tharabololo. Go kile gatwe go tlaa tla helicopter, tharabololo. Wildlife compensation has been a cry, gore nako kgolo ke eno, ga gona helicopter e e neng ya tla e nnyennyane, e a diega. Le ne le solofeditse gore le tlaa go koba ditlou. Jaanong I am appealing Mr Speaker, tla ka tharabololo, ka compensation. Diphologolo tse di gore a ko go nne le tharabololo, delivery, le a palelwa ke senyang ga di yo on the schedule, le tlaa ya go di tsenya. delivery. Go na le kgang e nngwe e e neng e buiwa ke Re emetse tharabololo e o reng o tlaa tla ka yone ka Tautona mo State of the Nation Address a bua gore, “re December 2020. O a diega, Batswana ba botsa gore a re ya go nna le project, go dirwa feasibility study ya project

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e gotweng coal to liquid e e leng gore is cracking of oil DR TSHABANG: So let us not waste time. This is not from coal.” Ke ipotsa gore ka Honourable Dr Douglas a buzz word, this is not a new thing, it is an old thing. Fa Letsholathebe is a scientist, ke eng le letlelela Tautona a o bona e diriswa ke Hitler le ba apartheid, go raya gore re busetsa kwa morago mo ditsong kana ka ditlhabololo. they had no options because they had sanctions. It is an Coal to liquid transfer, cracking of oil, ke tsamaiso expensive method, even the amount of water it uses, it ya bogologolo, e dirisitswe ke Hitler ka 1936 a le mo is ten times what is used in the oil refinery tsa crude oil, sepitlaganyeng, go sena ka fa a ka dirisang crude oil re ntse re sena metsi again. ka teng because mafatshe a ne a sa dumalane le ene. He resorted to cracking of oil from coal to liquid. Ya HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification ba ya dirisiwa ke apartheid regime in 1950s because honourable. ba ne ba pitlagane, ba sena kwa ba ka tsayang crude oil DR TSHABANG: Ema pele. teng. They resorted to this very expensive, very pollutive method… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification comrade.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. DR TSHABANG: Oh okay, thank you.

DR TSHABANG: Cracking of liquid oil from coal HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… is a very expensive process. E na le carbon emissions DR GOBOTSWANG: Point of clarification. tse dintsintsi. This is a second year organic chemistry Honourable maitseanape wa rona o e tshwere sentle. Ke e re e rutang bana kwa University of Botswana (UB), ipotsa gore is it a coincidence gore ba bo ba batla go cracking liquid hydro carbons from coal is no longer dirisa technology e e neng e dirisiwa ke bagateledi bo recommended. Ga ke itse gape le batla feasibility Hitler le apartheid regime? Thank you. study se se ntseng jang, because Shumba Energy ya Botswana e ne ya ya go tlhodumelwa, they did baseline DR TSHABANG: I think it is not a coincidence, it is technical and economic assessment ya cracking of oil lack of ideas. Mr Speaker, fa ba batla feasibility study from coal, yone ya Botswana. Le Botswana Oil when ke tlaa se ba fa. Ke sone se ke se buang se. Kgang e established, they also did their own studies and found nngwe Mr Speaker, ke ya BCL. Tautona o bua gore… out that you need P40 billion to start this project. Fa e le gore le tlhokana le feasibility study se sengwe, it is a HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification o ise o fete waste of time and money. Even at a mini level project, point eo. bo Shumba Energy and Kalahari Energy, they estimated DR TSHABANG: Ema pele. Tautona o bua gore BCL between 1,5 and 2 billion US Dollars to start this project. e mo seemong… Again, it is a project that you do fa o sena choice ya crude oil because option ya crude oil is cheaper and less HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… pollution. Ka re this is a second year reaction mechanism e re e rutang organic chemistry students kwa UB, it is DR TSHABANG: Ke kopa protection Mr Speaker, there. Jaanong why do you want to take us to 1930s because ga ke dumalane le clarification. Tautona o bua and 1950s? Golo mo go supa fela gore ga re sa tlhole gore fa re leng teng, go na le ba ba gomagometsang go re na le direction. Gape a re tsweng mo ditsholofetsong reka BCL. Go na le ba re ba lebelelang (assess) go ka tse e leng gore we cannot deliver, feasibility studies are reka BCL kana ba ba ka e tsosolosang. Re ne re le kwa there. Tsamayang fela le ye go lebelela sentle gore a Phikwe ka February, every one of us here, the whole re batleng other alternative sources, like conversion, go Parliament, they said the same thing. The update we got dirisa omitec gas… from the liquidators, e ne e le gore re lebeletse bangwe, possibly three companies and nine months after, we are HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… still saying the same statement. It shows gore re Puso e e senang delivery. COVID-19 cannot stop you from DR TSHABANG: …(Laughter!)… making deals. Ga e ka ke. Re Puso e e senang delivery. HONOURABLE MEMBER: And salts… If you can say a statement ka February and repeat the same statement ka November… DR TSHABANG: …and salts. HONOURABLE MEMBER: They have been saying HONOURABLE MEMBER: Rra tlhe re fe sebaka. it.

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DR TSHABANG: They have been saying it for a long HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… time. Ga go na political drive to resuscitate BCL. Ga gore sepe fela, le kwa ga mothakga fela. DR TSHABANG: Dr Letsholathebe has been a supervisor of PhD and Masters projects. Fa di sa bereke, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… it is your responsibility as a researcher to see to it gore di a bereka. It is not for the Minister or politician. No, DR TSHABANG: Le ja moroba fela le sa ntshe maduo do not politicise students’ projects. Fa o batla go lela, (deliver). You must deliver. tsamaya o ye kwa dikgaolong go bona lehuma. If you HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba ja madi fela. want to cry, forget about students’ projects.

DR TSHABANG: Re ja madi fela. Mr Speaker, ke tsena mo issue ya COVID-19. Bolwetse bo teng e bile bo a anama le lefatshe, bo bontsi, mme HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… ka fa go tsamayang ka teng, re itshola jaaka o kare ga DR TSHABANG: You must deliver mo promises tsa go na COVID-19, rona baeteledipele. Ka lockdown re lona. Ga re a re fopholetsang kwa, deliver on your ne re tswaletse Batswana mo matlong re re ba nne mo promises. You promised the same thing in February, go one, re ba bolaisa tlala. Rre Molale a re solofetsa November the same thing. three months ya rations. Fa a tswa foo a fetoga a re one. This is the state of the nation. Ke gone fa re leng teng. Re mo stage gape sa gore le reile Batswana la re le ya Batswana ba sale ba tsena mo lehumeng ka lockdown, go dira electric car, moving from science to engineering. ga ba ise ba tswe mo go lone. Ba ba rekisang mmidi, Maloba Balopi o ne a re raya a re electric car e kwa airtime, sweets, dinamune le vegetables mo mebileng, Mogoditshane. ba ne ba tswaletswe mo matlong. Ga ba ise ba boele mo HONOURABLE MEMBER: O raya ya setshwantsho. seemong (recover). Ga ba na subsidy e ba e boneng. E DR TSHABANG: O raya ya setshwantsho kana. rile re tsena fa ra re ga se gore le ye go dira database Maabane Honourable Letsholathebe o ne a re electric ya batho ba second economy, informal sector. Ga le a car e kwa Botswana International University of Science e dira le gompieno jaana. Batho ga ba ise ba tswe mo and Technology (BIUST) ya experiment. Let us just lehumeng. Ke bone batho ba ba amilweng ke lehuma le come to a certain point... le tsileng ka lockdown and you do not care. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. MS MANAKE: On a point of procedure Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Go tlaabo go sa nna sentle gore Honourable Tshabang a tswelele a raya batho a re DR TSHABANG: Wait ke digele. Goromente ga a dira sepe ka database, mme re itse gore the industry facility e e kwa Local Enterprise Authority HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re batla go go thusa. (LEA) e dira gone moo. E bile ba informal sector ba DR TSHABANG: Ga o ka ke wa nthusa ka sepe. Ya tlaabo ba ikwadisa ba bo ba neelwa P1, 000.00 gore ba gago ya setshwantsho e kwa Mogoditshane. kgone go tla ba le bantsi e bile ba ikwadise, ba tle ba bone gore thuso ya teng e neelwa sentle, jaaka a re ga go HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… na sepe. O tlaabo a sa bolelele Batswana sentle fa a re ga re a dira sepe re le Puso. Re setse re simolotse go dira DR TSHABANG: Mr Speaker, fa re leng teng, re ne tiro eo. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. re kopa the Chief Scientific Advisor and Researcher wa ga Rre Tautona Masisi, Honourable Letsholathebe gore MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Minister, I a ye go dira factory a bo a dira electric car. Not any think you are debating at cross-purposes. If I understand other explanation. It is a year now since 2019. Re kopa Honourable Dr Tshabang, he is speaking as if he has factory go bo go dirwa electric car, re bo re bona results. no knowledge of what you are talking about or what Tswang mo experiments tsa bana, whether di a reverse you are doing. If that is correct, then there is no issue kana ga di reverse. Ke experiment. Whether electric car of procedure because you have not fed him with that ya ngwana wa sekole ga e ye forward, e ya kwa morago, information nor have you fed the informal sector with ke responsibility ya the supervisor who supervises the that information. It is over to you Honourable Dr project. Tshabang. Have you heard what the Minister says?

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DR TSHABANG: Ee. Kopa maitshwarelo, o mislead itse gore this thing ga se sa Nkange Constituency fela, the Ntlo e. Batswana ga ba itse fa go na le database ya whole country go ntse jalo. Mathata ke gore you award informal sector. Fa e le gore e teng, publish it. A e tswe these tenders ka corruption ya seDomkrag. Say no! You e nne public. Ba se ka ba nna ba utlwa ka surprise e bile award these things ka corruption ya seDomkrag… gotwe ba tlaa fiwa P1, 000.00.It must be on record gore MR TSOGWANE: On a point of order. Nnyaa, mme o rile le ya go fa Batswana ba ba mo mebileng maP1, gompieno ga re nke re fetola, kana monna yo re a 000.00. O ye go ba a neela. Fa o sa ba neele, it will be mmona gore ene o kwa freedom square fela, tota ga here ka February. It is a promise. se go bua dikgang tsa Batswana. O mo kope a re tlele bosupi jwa gore go abiwa ka corruption ya seDomkrag. Mr Speaker, go na le kgang e nngwe e e ntshwenyang Re batla bosupi joo Mr Speaker, re tle re tlhaloganye mo lefatsheng le ya construction and construction gore projects di abiwa ka tsela eo. O ntse a boka tse business. Projects tse re… dingweg a re di a fela, jaanong mathata e tshwanetse MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: On a point of e le Mopalamente, he makes people go on strike kwa procedure Mr Speaker. Thank you Mr Speaker. The kgaolong gore ba se ka ba fetsa project. Honourable Member o dule mo tsamaisong sir. Re MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Dr ntse re reeditse Tona a bua ka Industry Support Grant. Tshabang, I think the Leader of the House has a point. Honourable Member a re Tona o rile Motswana mongwe Are you sure you can provide the evidence ya go aba le mongwe yo o mo mekgwatheng o ya go fiwa P1, contract ya tsela kana ya police station ya Maitengwe 000.00. That is not what she said. He is misleading. ka corruption? If not, you are better withdrawing that, MR SPEAKER: No, Honourable Healy, the Honourable so that you can proceed. Member did not say that. DR TSHABANG: Mr Speaker, tla ke boele kwa morago. DR TSHABANG: Ke tlaa se ke ke concentrate mo Ga ke batle go gogagogana le Tautona, I withdraw. go wa Gaborone Central. …(Laughter!)… Re ne re MR SPEAKER: Continue then please. solofetse gore Goromente will supervise construction projects kwa dikgaolong gore di fele. Projects ga di fele. DR TSHABANG: Jaanong bagaetsho, a ko projects di Re na le Maitengwe Police Station. E sale e nna teng fele otherwise ke tlaa belaela gore ga le a di aba sentle. ka 2017, 2018, 2019 le 2020. Re ya kwa go 2021, mme Bodipa jo jwa go sa fetsa projects, batho ba gongwe ga e fele. Re boditse Tona, o rile o tlaa tla ka dikarabo. ba na le backup, re a belaela. Mr Speaker, ya bofelo ke As I speak, batho ba mo ngalong ditiro, ga ba a duelwa. dirise opportunity e gore, kana fa re leng teng re na le Project e eme. kgang ya batho ba Namibia ba ba ipelaetsang gore re bolaile batho ba bone, re re ke poachers... Re bo re nna le e nngwe from Tutume to Maitengwe ya resealing ya tsela, e eme. Batho ba ga ba a duelwa, HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… rakonteraka ga a bonale. Goromente blames rakonteraka and rakonteraka blames Government. Le ba file ditiro DR TSHABANG: Mr Speaker, re ne re solofela gore tse jang? Le ba assess midway jang? Tharabololo nako yone e, Tona yo o lebaganyeng le International ke eng Honourable Minister Kgafela ka Maitengwe Relations o ka bo a itsisitse this House. Mongwe le Police Station because e agilwe at the same time le ya mongwe o ipuela fela; e ne e le poachers, e le ka 11, bale Mmathubudukwane which has been commissioned, e a ba re nnyaa e ne e le fishers. Tota we need information bereka, yone e santse e le under construction. re le lefatshe, le Ministers ba etla ba ntsha statements gore nnyaa, go ne go na le ba bangwe ba kile ba bolawa This is a source of concern, ke kopa gore o tsholetse ke poachers le sa bue sepe. A re nneng le a coherent dinao Rre Kgafela o ye to supervise project ele, e fele stand, ga re batle yo mongwe a ipuela kwa, yo mongwe by March 2021. Ga re ka ke ra nna le sepoko sa police a ipuela kwa. Re kopa gore Puso e re beye mo dinakong, station e e sa feleng... diteraka tsa Botswana di itewa ka matlapa, ke strike kwa Namibia. Drivers ba golafetse, there are protests, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… re kopa gore le re itsise. Legale ka gatwe go kopiwa go DR TSHABANG: Le tla le baya dikatakata tsa lona mo khubangwe, re a khubama. Tlaa ke leboge batlhophi ba tseleng, go tswa foo tsela ga e dirwe, it cannot be. Ke a Nkange Constituency fa ke fetsa, thank you Mr Speaker.

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MR PULE (MOCHUDI EAST): Ke a leboga bangwe ba ke nang le bone, dinako tse re godisitsweng Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, good afternoon ka tsone, re ne re itse gore bagolo go na le ka fa ba sir. Ke lebogela thata mongwame gore o bo o mphile buisiwang ka teng. Gongwe nna ke bolawa ke gore ke sebaka sa gore le nna ke eme ka dinao, ke emele kgaolo berekile Puso lebaka le le leele. Ke itse gore fa Tautona ya Mochudi East mo pegong e e neng e ntshiwa ke a tsena kana mogolo, o ema ka dinao o a sisibala. Tautona wa rona, His Excellency Mokgweetsi Eric Ke batla go raya Batswana ke re, ga le a dira phoso gore Keabetswe Masisi. Ke leboga botlhe batsayakarolo le bo le tlhophile boeteledipele jo bo leng teng gompieno mo go tsamaiseng Puso, mme fa ke bua jalo ke leboga jwa phathi ya Domkrag, bogolo jang boeteledipele jwa mapolotiki otlhe a a mo Ntlong e e fano, gore ba bo ba ga Morena Masisi, ke tlile go mmitsa Morena Masisi nnile le sebaka sa gore ba tlhophiwe ke Batswana, ba tle ka bomo, yo gompieno e leng ene Chief Executive kwano go tla go emela Batswana ka fa ba ba emelang ka Officer ya lefatshe la Botswana. Tota ke tsaya gore o teng. Ke sengwe se re tshwanetseng go se lebogela, ka na le bokgoni jo re bo boneng bagaetsho, re setse re gore fa go ne go sena puso ya batho ka batho, re ka bo bone leadership abilities tsa gagwe. Re lemogile gore re seyo fa. Ke letse ke gakgamala maabane mongwe a o na le what it takes to promote integrity ya lefatshe la re puso ya batho ka batho e phirimile. Ga ke ise ke bone rona. Ke na le tumelo ya gore, the last part e a setseng gope mo lefatsheng lepe in the whole globe, go na le ka yone e re batlang gore re e bone mo go ene ke puso ya batho ka batho e e tshwanang le ya lefatshe la stewardship, ka gore ke gone a ntseng a simolola. O Botswana. Fa re kopane fa re le mapolotiki bagaetsho, ne a tlhoka lesego ya re a simolola Puso, go bo go na go raya gore tiro ya rona e tona ke go dira gore lefatshe le bolwetse jwa COVID-19 jo bo kgoreleditseng. Fa re le tsamaisiwe sentle, make the country governable. bua ka stewardship, re tshwanetse go mo fa sebaka mo Mr Speaker, ke rata thata gore kwa ntlheng ke akgole dingwageng tse di tlang re bone gore a mme o ka re thusa Tautona wa rona Rre Masisi, ka fa a tsamaisang puso le Khuduthamaga ya gagwe, le rona re le Mapalamente ya batho ka batho ka teng, ka fa a gololesegileng ka go ka tlhokomela dithoto tsa Batswana. th teng. Re mmone fa a sala a tsena re simolola mo the 12 Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse ke tshwanetseng ke di lemoge Parliament, go na le dipuo dingwe tse a neng a kgona bagaetsho. Gongwe ke tlile go farologana le batho go di buisiwa di kgopisa. Motho wa Modimo a amogela ba bangwe ka go bua ka gore, ke mongwe wa batho tsotlhe, Modimo wa mo tshegetsa gore a se ka a kukega ba bagolwane ba ba tshedileng ka dinako tse di neng maikutlo. Fa re utlwaletse dikgang tsa mafatshe a sele, di le thata. Re name re tshegeditse Rre Masisi le … phakela re ne re utlwa gotwe go na le mongwe kwa (inaudible)… ba gagwe. Re bone gore re ka mo Kampala yo o tshwenngwang ke batho. O tshwenngwa neneketsa jang gore a goroge kwa a batlang go ya teng. jaana mabapi le gore a kgorelediwe gore a se ka a emela ditlhopho, ga se dilo tse di ka diragalang mo lefatsheng la Mma pele fa ke tsena mo dikgannyeng tse di tona tsa Botswana. Tautona wa rona re mo akgole bagaetsho. Go me jaaka Mopalamente yo mongwe le yo mongwe a a supa gore tota re boetse kwa marakanelong a ditsela, buelela kgaolo ya gagwe, ke lekodise Ntlo e e fano, e bile go a supa gore tota re itlhatlhobile, we have taken kana ke dire mo gotweng State of Mochudi East stock of ourselves re le Batswana, re gololesegile gore Address. Ke lekodise Ntlo e le ene Tautona wa rona re ka dira dilo tse re di dirang re tsamaisa lefatshe la ka kgaolo ya Mochudi East. Mr Speaker, ke batla go Botswana. simolola ke lekodisa Tautona le setšhaba sa Botswana ka kgaolo ya Mochudi East. Ke tlhalosa gore ke kgaolo Ke a itse gore go na le bangwe ba rona ba e tlaa reng e batho ba bantsi ba sa e itseng. Ke kgaolo e tona thata fa re le fa ba bo ba dirisa mafoko mangwe a e keteng e e simololang mo motseng wa Bokaa oo fa, go ya go a fosagetse. Modimo a ba itshwarele bagaetsho. Ke bo tsena kwa Phalakampa. Bophara jwa teng e ka nna 200 ke tlatsa le mafoko a a neng a buiwa ke Motlotlegi Rre kilometres. O ka e tsaya mothofo mme the larger part ya P.P.P. Moatlhodi, ke raya Rra Nkamo, maloba pleading yone ga e na ditsela tse di siameng. Mo go rayang gore le rona ba botlhe a re, batlotlegi, dirang gore nako le go bokete tota gore re dire kgwebo kana re ise dilo tsa nako fa re leng teng, go age botho mo mafokong a lona. botsogo kwa metseng e e farologanyeng. Mafoko a ke ne ka a segela mosako, ka a kgwarela kwa tlase. Ke go leboga rra, o buile tota o le mogolo go supa E na le metse e metona le masimo a a farologanyeng gore o itse gore mo lefatsheng la Botswana go na le fela thata. Fa o tsaya masimo a kgaolo ya Bokaa o a democracy. Rona re le Batswana, bogolo jang nna le ba tshwantshanya le a kgaolo ya Ramotlabaki, o kgona go

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bona gore go na le pharologanyo. Selo se se tona se ke MR PULE: Ke a leboga… batlang go se lekodisa Tautona le Ntlo e e fano ke gore, kgaolo e, e mo leshekereng la ditsela. Ditsela tsa rona MR MOSWAANE: On a point of order. Mr Speaker, I rise on a point of order ke lebile statement se gore ga di a siama gotlhelele. Ke a tle ke swabele dikgaolo o kare ga le a se utlwa sentle. Sa re, kana kgaolo e, e tse di tshwanang le tsa kwa North East, Mahalapye East, ne le mo diatleng tsa kganetso, ba ne ba gana go tlisa Tati East … ditlhabololo. Kganetso e ne e sa buse, go ne go busa BDP. Why bosula joo a bo pateletsa opposition? Ke sone HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible) … se e batlang go tlhatswega fela gore a boele morago gore MR PULE: Go swabela go raya gore go tswela pelo. opposition e ne e gana go tlisiwa ditlhabololo. BDP e Fa o ka lebelela mafelo a a mo East jaaka Mahalapye na le mandate wa go di tlisa le fa opposition e sa rate. East le North East, o kare ba na le ditsela tse dintle tse di Fa e le gore o a itse gore opposition e ne e gana, a ntshe kgatlhang. Tse e kareng kamoso motho a akanya gore le bosupi joo kana a boele mafoko ao kwa morago Mr rona ditsela tsa rona di ka bo di ntse jaana. Speaker. It will be nice because he is imputing improper motives mo go rona ka kwano mo nakong ya gompieno. Kgaolo ya Mochudi East e saletse kwa morago fela Ke raya gore o re senya leina. Thank you. thata. Ke nngwe ya dikgaolo tse di lebalesegileng fa MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Except you were part o ka di lebelela sentle. Ke belaela gore gongwe ke ka of them at that time. lebaka la gore kgaolo e e tsere lebaka le le leele mo HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… kganetsong. E a tle e re mo sephiring sa me ke bo ke re, kana gongwe ba kganetso ba ne ba gana ditlhabololo di MR SPEAKER: What he is saying, as I said, it is tla kwa kgaolong gore go nne e kete party e e busang e political. I will try by all means to ask him gore o raya a palelwa. Fa le lebelela commerce ya Mochudi East, jang fa o tlaare ke opposition? That will be a question ga e kgatlhe gotlhelele. Ga re na dikgwebo tse di tona, gore a e tlhalose ene. He can just make a statement re di bona fela kwa Mochudi West. Ga se gore ke tsaya gore o raya jang ka gore I will not be able to say gatwe morwarre ka leso legolo. Go tlhabisa ditlhong gore go ba dirile jalo jang. That one you are entitled to ask bo go na le kgaolo e e tshwanang le ele e se na filling Honourable Moswaane. station, e se na ditsela tse di siameng tse di graded nako MR PULE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa le nako, e se na mall o motona… Palamente. Ga go ntlhabise ditlhong mongwame mme MR KEKGONEGILE: On a point of order. Thank ke boelele mafoko a me ke re, ke belaela golo gongwe go you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, re sa tswa go utlwa Vice ka tswa go na le dikgang tsa go nna jalo. Ga ke palelwe President a umaka fa go Honourable Tshabang gore a ke gore ke ka boela mafoko ao morago fa e le gore o boele mafoko morago. Re ne re re gongwe re se ka ra batla ke dira jalo. Ke tsaya gore ke ne ke tlhalosa ka fa nna re sukasukana. Motlotlegi Deputy Speaker a goge ke neng ke tlhalosa ka teng. Ke belaela gore gongwe go mafoko a gore kgaolo e na le lebaka e le mo opposition, ne go dirwa jalo ka fa ke bonang kgaolo ya Mochudi e bile ke yone e paletsweng ke go tlhabolola kgaolo. East e ntse ka teng. Fa e le gore batlotlegi ba batla ke ba Kana a tlise bosupi jwa gore re paletswe mo re neng isa teng, ke tlaa ba rwala ka koloi ke ya go ba bontsha ra busetsa kgaolo kwa morago. Golo moo fela go a re gore Mochudi East o ntse jang. Ba tle ba mpolelele gore swafatsa Mr Speaker. Re ne re re gongwe re tshele sentle mo dingwageng tse 25 tse e neng e eteletswe pele ke mo Palamenteng. Batswana le bone kwa re se ka ra ba fa kganetso, ke eng ditlhabololo tse di ka bong di diragetse mafoko a e seng one. Deputy Speaker o ka a boela kwa di sa diragala? Ke raya gore ga ke na mathata a gore… morago go re swafatsa mo. MR KEKGONEGILE: On a point of order. Mr MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, Speaker, kana fa o utlwa re re re leswafatswa ka I thought that is deliberate. That is the politics you are bomo, kgaolo ele e kile ya nna le Mopalamente a playing in this House. As I understand the Honourable bidiwa Honourable Davids, e ne e le mo Domkrag. O Member for Mochudi East, he is stating apparently as tlhokafala e le mo Domkrag, may his soul rest in peace. a fact that, that constituency was held by members of Jaanong ga e ka ke ya re kgaolo e kile ya tshwarwa the opposition as opposed to his party and it was never ke Domkrag le opposition, a bo Deputy Speaker a developed. That is the essence of his statement. I cannot tlhopha representation ya opposition fela gore ke yone e see what is wrong with that. ganneng ka ditlhabololo …

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mo nakong e e kana ka tshwanang le metlakase. Ga re na diposo tse di siameng, eng? re santse re tshotse tsele tsa ga Mmamosadinyana. Filling stations fa ke bua le wena, kwa Mochudi East MR KEKGONEGILE: Go kile ga nna le moDomkrag re na le e le nngwefela e e kwa Sikwane, fa gongwe e foo a emetse kgaolo. A golo moo ga go supe gore go kgona go felelwa ke leokwane, go raya gore ba botlhe go selective, go re senya leina re le opposition mo matlhong tswa Phalakampa re ya go tshela peterole kwa Mochudi le mo ditsebeng tsa setšhaba. Le gone re ne re gana jang which is almost 180 kilometres. re sa buse? Ga go buiwe sentle. Internal roads tsa rona di mo seemong se se sa nnang MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, sentle. Kgaolo ya Mochudi East gongwe le ya Mochudi indeed it is selective, it is obviously selective. Ke one a West ke tsone fela tse di senang stadium mo lefatsheng ke neng ke re lona if you wanted to press that statement, lotlhe la Botswana. Ke utlwisiwa botlhoko… you could ask for that evidence. I thought what the Deputy Speaker was now saying here was that, fa e MR MAJAGA: Elucidation. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, le gore o kgopisa batho, o boela mafoko ao morago. I ke a leboga Deputy Speaker. Ke utlwa selelo sa gago thought I heard him correctly. gore kgaolo ya gago kana Kgatleng ke yone fela mo MR PULE: Ke a leboga mongwame, tota ka rialo. lefatsheng la Botswana e e senang stadium. Ka ke Ke ne ke re bomorwarre fa e le gore ba kgopisegile mautlobotlhoko, ke re nnyaa mme di dintsi, gongwe bagaetsho, intshwareleng, nkineleng diatla metsing. o ka bua fela Mokgatla gore a dikgaolo tsotlhe botoka Kana fa gongwe fa o bua o le mo Ntlong e, o a tle o go nne le stadium tse di ka thusang Batswana. Jaaka re tseye gore o gololesegile o ka bua ka fa o ratang ka teng, na le Constituency Community Projects (CCP) kana o sa itse gore bangwe ba a kgopisega. Constituency Fund re bona e akaretsa constituencies tsotlhe, le kwa Nata/Gweta, owaii, re itshophere. Ke tlhalose gape ke ntse ke lekodisa Ntlo e ka kgaolo ya Mochudi East ke re, botsogo kwa kgaolong ya Mochudi MR PULE: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Tota e ne e le selelo East bagaetsho bo kwa tlase fela thata. Se se ngomolang fela sa gore ke batla go itlhomodisa pelo mo Ntlong pelo la bofelo ke sepatela sa rona sa Deborah Retief e ka gore re ne re ipotsa dipotso gore gone mme mo Memorial Hospital, se e leng gore fa o ka ya kwa go dingwageng tse di kanakana, o raya gore ga go na le fa sone Honourable Kekgonegile, le wena o tlile go ipotsa e le gore …(Inaudible)… wa stadium, tota re lebeletse gore a se agetswe Batswana. Ga se a nna sentle le e seng. gore re gaufi le Gaborone. Kana proximity fa gongwe Se na le roughly seven years se se na mortuary. Maloba e kgona gore e belaele mo metseng e e gaufi. Ke tseela ke ne ka tsaya Tona ya Botsogo ka ya go mmotsha, le gore re bapile le toropo, re ne re rile gongwe e tlaa re ene o tlile tota a swabile a nthaya a re rraetsho, ke ne ke go ntse go akanngwa, Matona a le mo dikhuthamageng sa itse fa seemo sa sepatela se se ntse jaana. tsa bone, ba akanya gore nnyaa, mme bagaetsho a re ageng stadium se le sengwe fa Mochudi kana kwa Ke kopa gore bo Tona Lelatisitswe le Tona Dr Dikoloti Mmathubudukwane. Ga ke batle go rwala matsogo mo ba re emele ka dinao ka gore ke sone fela se re beileng tlhogong … mo go sone. The whole Kgatleng West and Kgatleng East ga go na sepatela se re nang le sone. E bile se se HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR worse gape, le tsone dikokelwana tse re nang le tsone, TSOGWANE): Elucidation. Ke sa go jele nako tota ga di mo maemong a gore gongwe di ka emela Motlotlegi Mopalamente Mabuse Pule, tota stadium fa sepatela ka mokgwa mongwe. I support mongwe yo o se batla mo Mochudi, ga o se batlele Mochudi, o se o neng a bua maloba a re gongwe dikokelwana tse re batlela go thusa tsone dikgaolo tse di nang le stadium nang le tsone di godisiwe, di tsene mo seemong se se ka jaaka Gaborone gore fa go tla teams tse di tona for emelang sepatela. international games, ke one mafelo a a tlaabong a le gaufi a go ka yang go kopelwa dithuso teng go sa iwe Le fa go ntse jalo, ga re a itlhoboga ra rwala matsogo bokgakala jo bo kalokalo. Ke raya gore o e bua ka mowa mo tlhogong. Re ntse re a gadima, re solofetse one o, it will be a national stadium ka gore e gaufi lethe ditsompelo tse di tswang mo Pusong ka gore Puso capital city. Ke a leboga sir. e teng, e bile ke botsadi, ba tlaa re sekegela tsebe ka dilo tse di farologaneng; go re agela ditsela le sepatela MR PULE: Ke a leboga Leader of the House. se segolwane. Re a bona gore re na le mathata a a Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke ne ke sa batle

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gore ke nne e kete ke moledi fela, ke mongongoregi, bone rakonteraka, ke tlaa go bitsa gongwe kgwedi e e ke lebogele tse di latelang; re na le Mmathubudukwane tlang re ye go simolodisa tiro ya teng semmuso. Ke a Police Station e e neng e bulwa ka ngwaga wa 2018 leboga. ke Tautona. Malobanyana fale re sena go lela sebaka se se leele, Dr Dikoloti le Dr Lelatisitswe ba ne ba re MR PULE: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Ke itumela thata. fa dingaka di le pedi; permanent doctors. Re ntse re Sengwe se ke neng ke batla go se tsibogela Motsamaisa na le dingaka tse gotweng ke visiting doctors. Re na le Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke se se amanang le ngaka kwa Malolwane who covers metse ya Malolwane COVID-19 ka gore tota ke yone mmaba wa rona yo go tswa kwa Phalakampa. Re na le ngaka kwa motona. Ke lebogele ba Mochudi East gore e rile fa Mmathubudukwane who covers go tswa mo Ramonaka segajaja se se re tlela, ra bopagana. Ke a itse gore go go felela kwa Mabalane. Ke sone se re se lebogelang ne go na le ba ba neng ba lela, mme re ne ra bopagana fela thata. ka gore ba bangwe boradikgwebo le ba bangwe ba Se setona se re se lebogelang e le tebogo ya thulaganyo e malwapa a a botoka a a itsholetseng, ba ne ba thusa ba e re amang rotlhe mo lefatsheng, ke ISPAAD gore e bo e bangwe. Re lebogela lebole leo. Lefoko le la lebole le tsweledisitswe. E bile re lebogela thata le ka fa Tautona dirisiwa thata kwa bogwagwadi jwa me. Ke itse gore wa rona the way he is promoting small stock farming ka Rre Gobotswang o a itse gore fa ke re motho o lebole, teng. Kana kgaolo ya rona ya Kgatleng bagaetsho ke ya ga ke reye a betsa difeisi. Ke bua ka motho yo o fang small stock. Gore Tautona a bo a a fa Bakgatla ba a ba ba bangwe fa ba le mo mathateng. Ke tseye sebaka se fileng phelefu le phoko, ke se lebogetse thata ka gore ke ke lebogele batho ba e rileng fa go dirwa ikuelo ya ga ne ke le teng re bona jaaka a neela batho ba ba itekang. Tautona e re itseng gore e tswa kgakala, kana le nako ya fa re aga university, go ne go ntse go na le ikuelo ya Tautona a se ka a reetsa dipuo tse dingwe tse di buiwang, ga Tautona. Gompieno re raya ikuelo ya ga Tautona ya tse di lekang go mo kgoba kana go leka go mo nyemisa COVID-19, mme Bakgatla ba ne ba ema ka dinao ba moko, a tswelele a dira mananeo a a ka isang Batswana thusa ka fa ba kgonneng go thusa ka teng. golo gongwe. Lefatshe la rona re a itse bagaetsho gore le tseetse temothuo kwa godimo. Bangwe ba rona jaaka Mr Speaker, le fa ke buile ka fa ke buileng ka teng, ga ke eme jaana, ke goletse mo temothuong. Ntatemogolo se gore ke bua fela ke le mo lefifing, ke bua ke itse gore o ne a sa tsena sekole, o ne a re godisa ka leruo. Ke dilo the world economic outlook has set it all. Re a itse gore tse e leng gore tota fa re ka di busetsa, ke na le tumelo mafatshe kana world economies ba mo mathateng, it has e e tletseng gore e bile re tlhabolotse leruo la rona, mo collapsed. Kana fa re re collapse ya world economy, re dingwageng tse nne tse di tlang, lefatshe le le tlaabo le tsenya le Botswana mo teng. Ke reye Batswana bogolo le golo gongwe. jang ba kgaolo ya me gore ba itse gore tota re mo seemong se e leng gore le fa re ka kopa dilo dingwe tse di rileng Bagaetsho, le fa re setse re bone tsa go nna jalo, ga mo Pusong, re itse gore ga se lefatshe la Botswana le go a lekana, nnang le re tlholeng ka gore gompieno kgautlhaneng fela fa go tsena mo itsholelong, mafatshe re na le mathata wena Tona wa Metsi. Metse ya Oodi, otlhe a kgautlhane. Le fa go ne go na le mafatshe a a Matebeleng le Modipane, e lela tota ka letlhoko la ka re thusang ka selo sengwe, le bone ba tlaabo ba re le metsi. Ke utlwile maloba go buiwa gore tota ke nngwe rona re mo mathateng. Ke dumela gore re eme ka dinao ya metse e e leng gore le fa gompieno re tsweletse re ka gore ke foo Tautona wa rona ga a robale o leka go bowser, mme e tlaa benefitmo programme ya Masama… bona gore dilo di tsamaya ka fa di tshwanetseng di nne MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER ka teng. AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): Mr Speaker, ke tlhalose gore, tota re le ba kgaolo ya Elucidation. Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Go nnete gore Mochudi East re na le mathata a a lebaganeng le banana. kgaolo ya gago ka bophara e mo thulaganyong ya gore e nne mengwe ya metse e thulaganyo kana tlhabololo ya Ke lemogile gore bontsi jwa banana ga ba bereke, Masama e tlaa e amang. Se sengwe gape motlotlegi, go bogolo jang mo metsengselegae; ke raya e e kwa na le thulaganyo fela kana tlhabololo e e lebaganeng le nageng jaaka go tswa fa Mabalane go ya go tsena kwa kgaolo ya gago e re e bitsang re re Gaborone 2.3 Project Phalakampa. Metse e e tshwanang le Bokaa, Oodi, e e yang go tokafatsa seemo sa metsi mo metseng ya Modipane, Tirikopi, Mokatse le Dikwididi, e gaufi le Oodi le Matebeleng, e le tharabololo ya sennelaruri. Re toropo mo banana ba teng ba kgonang gore le fa go na le

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bothata, ba ikgobolele, ba iteke ba atumele fa toropong ke gore deliberately go nne le an effort ya gore batho ba go tla go batla piece jobs. Fa o tsaya monana a le kwa rotloediwe go tsenya motlakase. Phalakampa, Ramotlabaki kana kwa Oliphant’s Drift, ga go motlhofo gore o ka bona piece job kwa ntle ga Ke tsena mo go Tona wa Tourism, yo ke ka buang ka ga ya go disa kana ya Ipelegeng. Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse ene ke sa ošhaošhe ka gore ke mongwe wa Matona ba ba ke neng ke eletsa gore o kare fa re ntse re akanyetsa tlileng kwa kgaolong ya me, ene le Tona Lelatisitswe. banana, re lebe thata ka kwa Kgaolong ya Mochudi Ka mo tsaya ra tsamaya mmogo a bona kgaolo ka East, e o ka e lebelelang o kare e gaufi le toropo, mme e botlalo, mme dingwe tsa dilo tse a neng a di makalela bontlha bongwe jwa yone bo le kgakalanyana le yone. a nthaya a re, “naare Pule, a ko o mpolelele, kgaolo ya gago fa e na le bojanala jo bo kanakana, ke eng e ntse e Mr Speaker, re lebogela lenaneo la Citizen sa tlhabololwe?” Ke ne ka re le nna ga ke tlhaloganye Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA). I have gore go diragetse eng ka gore le nna ke mošha mo no doubt ya gore ka fa le tlhabolotsweng ka teng, le tlaa Ntlong ya Palamente, mme kgaolo ke e e a bonala gore tlisa pharologanyo mo itsholelong ya rona ya lefatshe la e na le potential ya tourism, especially that e gaufi le Botswana. Fa re ka ema sentle ra le gasa re le batlotlegi Gaborone. Ka ba ka utlwa a bua mafoko, ke yo ga ke mo sebe, a nthaya a re, “ao! ke ntse ke sa itse gore go ba Ntlo e, ra bolelela Batswana manokonoko le gore le na le Okavango le Chobe ka kwano,” a lebeletse botona ikopelwa (applied) jang, ke na le tumelo e e tletseng ya jwa noka ya Limpopo, e na le dikwena, dikubu, metsi gore mo dingwageng tse nne tse di tlang, lefatshe la rona a matona, re fitlhela fishermen ba le foo ba pagame le tlaabo le humile. Ke ne ke utlwa mo pegong ya ga mekoro fela jaaka kwa Okavango, mme ga gona lodges Tautona a tlhalosa gore itsholelo ya rona mo ngwageng kana sepe to promote bojanala. O ne a ntshepisa motho o o tlang wa 2021 go ya kwa pele, e tlaabo e ntse e wa Modimo a nthaya a re, “nnyaa, ke utlwile morwa tlhabololwa. Kana mme le lemogile gore re tsene mo Pule e bile ke bone ka matlho, tla ke boele kwa morago nakong e e wrong ka gore COVID-19 e tla jaana go supa ke ye to map kgaolo e, ke tlaa romela bana gore ba tle gore itsholelo ya rona mo ngwageng wa 2019, e ne o kare go bona gore re ka tlhabolola kgaolo e ka mokgwa o o e a fokotsega mme e bo e dirwa worse ke COVID-19, ntseng jang.” Ke mo emetse mme ga ke ise ke fele pelo. jaanong re tlaabo re recover go simolola ngwaga o o tlang. Batswana ga ba a tshwanela go solofela gore re Mr Speaker, selo se ke se lebogelang thata mo pegong tlaabo re tsene mo seemong se re se batlang ka bonako. ya ga Tautona, ke fa a bua ka social protection. Mme kana fa re bua ka yone, re bua ka mananeo a a lekang go Fa go tsena mo kgannyeng ya beef industry; ke kopa tshegetsa batho ba diemo tsa bone tsa itsholelo, botsogo thata gore re le Batswana re eme ka dinao re leke go kana tsa mokgwa ope fela o o ka tshosetsang botshelo tlhabolola beef industry ya rona ka go tlhabolola jwa motho, Puso ya rona e a beile kwa pele gore a kgone dikgomo, re tseye mananeo a a lebaganeng le go go thusa Batswana, jaaka Destitution Policy. tlhabolola dikgomo. Ke utlwile maloba ka weekend mo radio, ba National Development Plan (NDP) ba tlhalosa Gongwe ke bue ka a topical issue now before nako ya gore ba na le mananeo mangwe a a ka yang kwa baruing me e tsamaya Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ya go ya go tlhabolola dikgomo tsa bone. Gender-Based Violence (GBV). Ga gona motho ope and I want to believe ka gore ke social worker by profession, Fa ke tsena kwa go Tona wa Metlakase, re utlwile le perpetrators tsa GBV, I do not think ba rata seemo se gore o na le maikaelelo a go re tlhabololela seemo sa ba leng mo go sone. Some people become perpetrators motlakase mo Kgaolong ya Mochudi East, jaaka o itse ka mabaka a gore gongwe ke seemo se a iphitlhetseng gore e beile mo motlakaseng o o tswang kwa Aforika a le mo go sone a sa itse gore o tsene jang. Gongwe Borwa. Se re lebale rraetsho, e bile o a mmakatsa gore o go le dingalo gore a ikamogele gore ke mokgokgontshi, le mokgwenyana wa rona, ga o ise o bone sebaka sa go mme e bile gongwe a sa kgone go ipona gore ke ene. ya kwa kgaolong e e ka kwa o bone gore bagwagwadi ba Rona the social workers fa go ntse jalo, re a re o leke gago ba tshela jang. Golo ka kwa re a sokola ka kgang ya go ikamogela gore o mokgokgontshi, o bo o ipona jaaka motlakase, fa o tima go ya fela jalo. Re gadime rraetsho mokgokgontshi, o tle o kope thuso ka gore fa o sa dire o re tlisetse ditsompelo tse di ka re isang golo gongwe, jalo, ga o ka ke wa bona. jaaka maloba ke utlwile o bua ka roof top; ke ne ke batla gore o e promote kwa Mochudi East, Batswana ba ba Le gone mo Ntlong e re nang le yone, le tlaa intshwarela kgonang ba itsenyetse solar power systems jalo le jalo, batlotlegi, gongwe go na le bangwe ba ba ntseng jalo

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mme ba sa ipone. O fitlhela gongwe o le mokgokgontshi bua ka teng. Ke e bona e ntse fela jalo, fa re batla to mme o sa ipone… promote LED e e teng mo National Development Plan 11 (NDP), Gross Domestic Product (GDP) tsa rona le HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… mo go eng, selo se re tshwanetseng re se eteletse kwa MR PULE: …because ga o kgone go nna le seipone sa pele ke infrastructure development. go bona gore o a kgokgontsha because o tsaya gore ka o Le a itse, I hold to the notion ya gore ga o ka ke wa godile jalo, go siame fela gore o ka nna wa raya mosadi reka Boeing 707 o sena where it lands. Development wa gago o re ke ka go thuba ka mpama (clap) mme tota should be preceded by construction of infrastructure. e le gore kana fa o mo raya jalo, o setse o mo thubile ka yone. Rona re itse gore ka Setswana fa o oma motho Make it available. Mafoko ao a ne a tlhatswiwa gape ka letsogo, kwa Modimong gatwe o mmiditse, wena o ke mokaulengwe wa me yo ke mo ratang thata, His bo o sa itemoge gore o a kgokgontsha. Borre le bomme Excellency Ambassador Kenny Kapinga, a e tlhalosa ba lefatshe le, a re emeng ka dinao re tshwaragane, re gore ga o ka ke wa tsenya infrastructure mo letlhakeng. thusane go lwantsha GBV. Ba ba kgokgontshang ka I still hold to that. Fa re ka ema re le Puso and make sure gore ba a lwala, re ba batlele thuso mo social workers. gore ditsela tsa metse ya selegae di a agiwa and graded, Professionals tse di tshwanang le Dr Lucas ba re itseng di bewa mo seemong sa gore batho ba ka felela ba ile gore they are highly experienced university lecturers, fa masimo go tsaya dithoto ba di rekisa kwa toropong, go o na le bothata jwa kgokgontsho, o ka ya kwa go ene for sena mathata a gore dikoloi tseo di a robega mo tseleng. counselling… Motho a ipona a na le a dairy farm, a reka a refrigerated car e e kgonang go tsaya mashi kwa Phalakampa, a a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… tlisa mo Gaborone, a sa nne molelo mo tseleng. Ke dilo HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… tse re tshwanetseng re itebaganye le tsone Mr Speaker.

MR PULE: …wa ipona o tswa mo kgokgontshong Kgang e nngwe e ke e ratang thata, e ke batlang go e ya go nna jalo. Mapalamente, a re emeng ka dinao mo ngathoganya le mokaulengwe wa me yo ke mo ratang Ntlong e bagaetsho, re nne seoposengwe re rute batho thata Honourable Mzwinila, ke ya metsi; water rights. ka kgokgontsho, re leke go e lwantsha on both sides. Ke Re mo nokeng e e nang le potential to feed kgaolo ya tshela fela ke utlwa interviews tsa teng, borre bangwe ba Gaborone, mme our water rights are so limited. Batho bua ba re nnyaa, ga re ka ke ra kgokgontsha bomme fela, ba kgaolo ba ntse ba nthomelela melaetsa ba re bua le fa o bona o mo kgokgontsha o a bo a go dirile sengwe, Tona a re okeletse water rights, di nne liberal so much bomme ke bone ba ba dirang gore re ba kgokgontshe. that motho fa a batla go epa a borehole next to the river, You can see that it is a reciprocal action; yo mongwe kana a batla go dira letamonyana kana eng, go nne o kgona go kgokgontsha yo mongwe, yo mongwe a bo motlhofo. Fa re ka dira jalo, ke na le tumelo e e tletseng a kgokgontsha yo mongwe, gongwe ba sa lemoge. Fa gore kgaolo e e tshwanang le ya Mochudi East can feed o simolola o tlhapatsa motho gongwe o le motho wa motse wa Gaborone. mme, rre yo a sa tlwaela gore o ka tlhapadiwa ke motho wa mme, o kgona go go tsenya letsogo, a sa tlotle gore Ke feleletsa Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ka kana le ene motho yo o ka kwa yole, ke motho, ga a go bua ka tsela e ke nang le tumelo e e tletseng gore e tshwanela go utlwisiwa botlhoko. Ke dilo tse tota ke mo lenaneong la Puso, ya Modipane go ya go tsena fa batlang go bua fela ke tlhamaletse gore GBV is a very Mabalane. It is only 24 kilometres. Ke rapela ke bo ke complex situation, very complex. It has many varied rapela, o kare Leader of the House o ka bo a le fa, ke problems if you allow me, dilo tsa teng di dintsintsi. bo ke rapela le Tona Segokgo le Tona Morwaeng, yo ke Gore o di rarabolole, o tshwanetse go nna fa fatshe, fa itseng gore ke ene letsogo le le gaufi le Tautona gore a e gongwe o felela batho ba bangwe ba tshwanelwa ke to re fa le le kwa Khuduthamageng ya lona bagaetsho, le se be counselled before go nniwa fa fatshe go lebaganwa le ka la lebala tsela e because ke mmaditsela e e ka bulang kgang ya go kgokgontsha. ditlhabololo tsotlhe. E tlile go fokotsa le ditshenyegelo tsa travel, tsa go duela rents ka gore bana ba kgaolo e Ke batla go feleletsa presentation ya me Motsamaisa ke tswang kwa go yone fa ba ka agelwa tsela e, ba ya Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente ka go bua ka Local Economic go fuduga botlhe ba nna kwa gae. Ba simolola go rekela Development (LED). Ke letse ke tlhatswegile ngati bommaabone dijo, ba kgona go duelela bana school fees, ke reeditse ka fa Honourable Motaosane a letseng a e ba ikagela matlo a matona ka gore madi a otlhe a tsewa

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ke rent le go tla mo Gaborone. Ke nngwe ya ditsela tse tshokologong ya letsatsi. Ke batla go bua thata pele ga ke rapelang letsatsi le letsatsi gore o kare Modimo o ka tsotlhe ka kgang ya Gender Based Violence (GBV). Ke re thusa. Ke a tle ke e lore fa gongwe e agilwe e bile e na le mabaka fa ke rialo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa na le ditshipi ka fa thoko le hotels. Palamente. Mo bekeng e e fetileng ka Matlhatso, ke ne ke le kwa kgaolong le ba Lerala-Maunatlala, ba ke tlaa DR GOBOTSWANG: On a point of clarification. ba lebogang fa ke ya kwa motsubong wa kgang ya me. Honourable Deputy Speaker, fa o ntse o re o a lora ka Re ne re fitlha ngwana yo mongwe wa mosetsana yo tsela e e le mo ditshiping, sentlentle a wa re tsela e e mo o neng a bona leso ka tsela e e botlhoko thata at the lenaneong kgotsa nnyaa? Thank you. hands of yo go ka bong gotwe o ne a ratana le ene. Ke MR PULE: Ao Tona, ke raya Dr Gobotswang, ke go batla go leboga gape ke lebe fa ke bone Mme Mma bitsa Tona kana, o expert e e rileng. Dr Gobotswang, ke Monnakgotla, le ba bangwe Mapalamente gore kgwedi ne ke re e mo lenaneong la NDP 11, ke a tlhomamisa. e e fa moragonyana ele, ba ne ba siana ba kibakiba ba Ditoro tsa me ke fa ke e bona e agilwe, e fedile. Ke ka fa ya kwa Goo Moremi, ba isa mmele wa ngwana, a ntse go supagalang mo go nna gore tota e gaufi thata le pelo a tswa kwa kgaolong ya me, yo le ene a neng a tlhoka ya me, e agile mo bobokong jwa me ka gore fa ke re ke a lesego a latlhegelwa ke botshelo ka tsela e e ntseng robala, ke akanya fela ka yone. Jaanong fa ke ne ke ka e jalo. Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke sone se direlwa, ke nngwe ya ditsela tse ke ka di lebogang thata. ke neng ke batla go itebaganya le kgang e pele ga tse dingwe. Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke batla go go lebogela gore o bo o mphile sebaka sa go akgela, kana Ke bo ke supe gape gore Puso e e eteletsweng pele ke fa gongwe go dingalo go ema ka dinao mo dikgannyeng Tautona Dr Eric Keabetswe Masisi, e rile ngogola fa re tse di ntseng jaana. Dilo tsotlhe tse ke di buileng siana re ya go kopa Batswana gore ba rome Puso e kana fa, keletso, maikaelelo a me le bojotlhe jo ke ka bo ba mo rome ene le lekoko la gagwe, re ne ra bua, ra supa kgonang, ke batla gore re di kgone. E re after two kana mo maitlamong a rona, on Page 43, e ke eletsang gore three years, half way through nako ya rona ya five years, to quote sentences tse pedi gore re ne ra reng nako eo. two and a half, re dire mo gotweng a Mid-Term Review (MTR), ke gone re ka simololang re kgala re re Tautona MR SPEAKER: Please do. Masisi le Domkrag e paletswe. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. MR MODUKANELE: I quote. We said, “GBV is ravaging our country. Botswana has high levels of ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL rape and other types of social violence. The BDP led GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT Government believes that GBV must be presented (MR MODUKANELE): Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa before it happens, and when it unfortunately happens, Palamente, ke go leboge, ke bo ke leboge Mapalamente strict punitive penalties must ensue.” a a fano mo Ntlong e, a a setseng gongwe a akgetse mo pegong ya ga Tautona. Jaanong Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, se ke batlang go se supa fa ke gore, the BDP led Government, Ke simolole fela jaana Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa mo mathateng a a tshwanang le a Gender Based Palamente, gore kana se Tautona a se dirileng, kana a se Violence (GBV), ga re ise re ko re tlhoke go a bua. Ga dirang ka SONA, is democracy in action fa ke ka rialo. re ise re ko re eme gope go bua ka mathata a, le go tsaya O solofeditse Batswana ene le Puso ya gagwe, mme ga a dikgato tse di maleba. Ga re ise re ko re emele ope go ipona tsapa gore a bo a boela kwa Batswaneng a ba raya tla ka Motion nako epe, gore re bo re tswelela re lwa le a re mo dikgweding tse 12 go tswa ngogola go fitlha mathata a batho betsho. That is why I am quoting, go nako e ya gompieno, tse le neng le di nthumile, ke di supa gore re ntse re tshwaragane le selo se re sa bue fela. solofeditse, ke kgonne se le se, ga ke a kgona se le se ka Ke batla ka go rialo ke supe gore, jaaka motho a sa tswa mabaka a le a. Sone se fela, ke se akgolele Tautona gore go bua, this is a complex issue ya GBV. Ga gona selo se a bo a bone go tshwanela gore a boele kwa Batswaneng sengwefela se o ka tlang wa re se is the panacea. go ba lekodisa ka seemo sa lefatshe le a le eteletseng Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members; Honourable Modukanele, remember the panacea Fa nako e ntetla, ke na le areas di ka nna nne kana Honourable Minister when we come back. Let us take tlhano tse ke batlang go remelela mo go tsone mo the health break Honourable Members.

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PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 4:04 P.M. FOR fa ba siana le naga e sensitising Batswana ka kgang APPROXIMATELY 30 MINUTES ya GBV, re bo re tla re ema mo Ntlong e re re ba mo matshamekwaneng jaaka mongwe a ne a bua maloba, I PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 4:34 P.M. found that very disrespectful. I found that e se Setswana, “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” e se botho jo e leng gore is one of the values tse e leng gore…no matter what you take, a ke Vision 2036, a ke MR SPEAKER (MR PULE): Honourable Members, buka across the land and breadth of this country, o a go let us resume the debate on this Motion. When the fitlhela one of the values which Batswana cherishes, e House adjourned earlier, Honourable Modukanele was bile ba e tlotla e le botho. Fa botho bo latlhegela, Ntlo on the floor and he was left with 29 minutes 38 seconds. e go raya gore this nation is getting lost. Ke one a ke MR MODUKANELE: Kgang e Motsamaisa batlang go kopa gore Batlotlegi Mapalamente, a e re Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ga e motlhofo jaaka bangwe dilo tse dingwe re di bua tlhe! le fa re ka palelwa ke tse ba batla go e baya ka teng. Ke reeditse bakaulengwe dingwe, mme botho jwa rona jone, setho sa Setswana maloba ba ntse ba bua ka kgang e, I remember one sa go itse gore mogolo ke mogolo, seo tlhe re felele re of the Members of Parliament (MPs) that I respect se tshwere batho betsho. Ke a le kopa. Ke batla gore so much, a bua gore ga re ise re dire dipatlisiso le ke fete ya GBV on that note. Ke batla go rotloetsa research e e tseneletseng. Yes, that could be the gore maiteko a bagolo ba a dirang, boeteledipele jwa case, but boammaaruri ke gore, research ga se fela e lefatshe le bo bo dirang ka kgang e re a bona, e bile it e kwadilweng gore gongwe GBV because the factors is bearing fruit ka gore Batswana ba lebile, e bile ba a which contribute to this issue are many and vary. Ka rutega. They are getting sensitised. Ga se gore… jaaka go rialo, ke batla gore go na le researches tse dintsi tse mongwe a ne a batla go bua maloba gore batho ba e a di dirilweng. Fa Ngaka Gobotswang letsatsi le a ka leka bo e kete ba mo…ga ke batle go dirisa mafoko a a neng go dumalana le nna, mme e le boammaaruri, e kile ya a a dirisa a gore ba a bo ba le mo matshamekwaneng re fa moragonyana fale ra dira dipatlisiso tse di neng fela. That is not right, e bile ga se go ruta bana ba rona di lebisisa youth and abuse of alcohol. Tsone tseo, ke sentle. Motswana a re, “e e anyang e leletse e ruta e e dumela gore some of the recommendations in that study mo maleng.” Itse gore Motswana a re, “molaa kgosi o a are as relevant as they were then, le letsatsi leno. Se ke bo a e itaela,” if you fail go tlotla bagolo, you are getting batlang go se bua ke gore, a re se ka ra tsaya gore golo lost. Kamoso yo mongwe fa ngwana a dira sone seo, o a gongwe the research which could be done in 2020, ke go tsaya gore ke gone fa a dira sentle…. yone fela e e ka tlang ka tharabololo. A re lebeng le tse HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… dingwe tse di setseng di dirilwe, so that we inform the way forward on this issue. MR MODUKANELE: Tla ke e fete Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Jaaka ke buile gore ke a go Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke batla go siana le tsone, di ka nna nne. Mme what is informing tlogela kgang e jaana ke re, maloba, in some of the those four areas bogolo jang ke gore, ke tsone tse submissions tse di neng di dirwa mo Ntlong, ke ne ke e keteng di a tshwenya thata kwa kgaolong e ke e etla ke sisimoga gore kana fa re le fa re le Ntlo, tumelo emetseng ya Lerala-Maunatlala. ya me ke gore we are the embodiment of the values of this country and nation. The values tsa Batswana, ke Land; issue ya land ga ke batle go touta tse dintsi tse rona ba re tshwanetseng gore jaaka re ntse jaana di bo bangwe ba di buileng. Rre Segokgo kgang e o e buile di bonelwa mo go rona. Fa e ka tla ya re go buiwa ka ka botelele kgantele. Ke batla gore Rre Mzwinila, re kgang e e matsetseleko e e ntseng jaana, re bo re tla go akgole rra, maloba re go bone o tlhoma land boards re re… fa bagolo ba eme ka dinao ba tshwana le His across the length and breadth of this country. Ba setse Honour the Vice President, His Excellency the President ba simolotse tiro. Tsholofelo ya rona ke gore, fa e le gore le Mme Mma Atsile le Ministers ba bangwe go lwantsha dibeke tse pedi, tse tharo tse di fetileng ba ka tshwara kgang e, batho ba Modimo! Makgoa kana maAmerika jaaka ba ba ka kwa kgaolong ya me ke bona ba tshwere ba re, “there are many ways of skinning a cat.” Se o ka teng, re ba rotloetse bana bao gore ba tswelele ba se tlhokang ke go bona gore fa e le gore ke katse, e tshware fela jalo, ba neele Batswana lefatshe. Kwa builwe nama ke e. How you do it? You have to do it in kgaolong ya me rra, re na le backlog e ntsi ya batho many ways, because there is no single answer. Jaanong who applied for ditsha. Ke batla go bua kgang e nngwe

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jaana, kgantele Rre Never Tshabang o rile we are a le neng le ntse le beetswe temo fela, gompieno o ka le Government of promises and not delivery. dirisa for temo kana other things. Ke se se kwadilweng fa. Dilo tse di mo, we promised and we are delivering. Ke batla go e ganetsa. Fa o bua ka lefatshe, Tautona We have already delivered because people gompieno o buile ka Land Tenure Reforms mo paragraph 124 ba dirisa lefatshe for other things other than just in his speech. Dr Tshabang, my good friend, ke a itse agriculture. Tsamaya fela o tlole seporo Rre Lesaso o ye gore ga e ka ke ya re when I refer you to the manifesto fa Kgatleng, o tlaa fitlhela dilo tse re di buang di le foo. wa Domkrag wa tshaba go o bala. O o bale fela, it is part of continuous learning. On page 25 ya manifesto Ke batla go bua ka kgang ya botsogo. Batho betsho, Rre wa rona, re buile ka these Land Tenure Reforms gore Dikoloti ga a yo and I know where he is. Ke ntse ke re ya go di dira. Gompieno Rre Mzwinila o eme fa pele bona Rre Lelatisitswe fa. Ke ne ke eletsa a ka bo a le ga Ntlo e a supa gore this is on. A ga se yone delivery teng ka gore on paragraph 156, Tautona o buile thata ka ne bathong ba Modimo? Ke yone delivery because he kgang botsogo, le rona re ne ra e bua mo manifesto wa was revealing the Land Policy e a e buileng fa gore rona re solofetsa Batswana gore re ya go dira ka tsotlhe he is going to review it, he has already done that. Ka gore botsogo jwa bone bo tokafale. Ka tsotlhe di se ke sone seo, land boards di ya go tswelela di neela batho di kgonwa nako e le nngwefela, ke batla go supa jaana lefatshe le mo lefatsheng le gongwe le iseng le tsene jaaka o ne o utlwa ke re fa Tona Rre Dikoloti a ne a le fa ditlamelo tse e neng e le a hindrance before. Just be mme ka gore ke kgang e ke tlholang ke e bua le ene le honest to ourselves and let us be honourable as we are Permanent Secretary (PS) wa gagwe gore kwa kgaolong called Honourable Members of this House. Fa go nang ya me, this is one area fa re santseng re saletse kwa le boammaaruri teng, we must acknowledge gore bo morago. Ke bua jaana gore kgaolo ya Lerala-Maunatlala teng. This is delivery. Rre Mzwinila, re a go akgola. You is made of 16 villages tse di phatlaletseng mo kgaolong have done a lot in that regard. Batswana ba ya go bona eo; go tswa kwa Lerala go ya kwa Moremi, o boa kwa lefatshe. Go na le applications kwa kgaolong ya me tse Moremi o leba kwa Lecheng, o bo o boa o porota o leba di saleng di nna bogologolonyana, di dintsi thata. There kwa Malaka. That is what…(Inaudible)… makes Lerala- are about 7 000 kwa Maunatlala Sub-Land Board. Fa o Maunatlala Constituency. boela ka fa Palapye Sub-Land Board which services up to Lerala, there are almost 45 000. Tshepho ya rona ke MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member, kana o fapaane gore se se ne se tshwerwe ke gore land was not serviced. le microphone wa gago. Bana ba ya go bona lefatshe. Bontsi jwa batho ba is the youth and therefore, I have every reason and confidence MR MODUKANELE: Jaaka ke sa tswa go bua, mo go reng on this cause, we are delivering. It is not an naga e yotlhe, kwa re bonang botsogo teng kana kalafi event, it is a process, we have to accept that. Ke buile teng, ke kwa Palapye. Ke tsaya gore fa rotlhe re itse ka ya lefatshe. gore Palapye o gola ka tsela e e ntseng jang, o gola bosigo le motshegare. Sepatela sa Palapye is a primary Ke akgole Mma Manake, mme ga ke itse gore o ile kae. hospital. Gongwe ke atolosa the thinking ya ga His Kgantele fa a bua ka kgang e ya agriculture, ke utlwile Honour the Vice President ya gore fa o aga stadium kwa ke akanya… bogologolo, there was a Prime Minister Mmathubudukwane Deputy Speaker, ga se gore o se wa kwa Ennyelane a bidiwa the Iron Lady. E ne e re agela ba Mmathubudukwane, o se agela le ba Gaborone. fa a tshwere kgang, a bo a e tshwara fela jaaka a ne a e In the same vein, fa o aga sepatela kwa Lerala, you are tshwere kgantele jaana. Ke batla go bua ka agricultural actually decongesting Palapye Primary Hospital. O bo o sector that Tautona addressed mo pegong ya gagwe ka bona gore gompieno kgang eo, ke yone ya mmangmmang bophara. Mo manifesto wa Domkrag, Tautona o buile ka kwa kgaolong ya Lerala-Maunatlala. We will not be yone on paragraph 40 mo pegong ya gagwe ya maloba. building for ba Lerala-Maunatlala Constituency fela, O bo o tla o lebelela fa boammaaruri bo nnang teng Dr we will be building for the entire region ya SPEDU if I Never Tshabang, o bo o tla o bona fa delivery e nnang were to say that. Re ne re e bua maloba le Honourable teng. On page 24 ya manifesto wa Domkrag, we said Molebatsi le Honourable Nkawana; Rre Molebatsi we are going to tweak the ISPAAD. That is exactly a re laleditse kwa Phikwe. O tle o bone Motsamaisa what Mma Manake a neng a se bua kgantele. Is that Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, motho maabane a re ga go na not delivery? Re rile we are going to tweak ISPAAD so Mopalamente kwa Mmadinare, ehe! kana o ne a boela that e tle e nne relevant, e thuse Batswana. Lefatshe le mafoko ao morago, I am sorry. Fa a boetse mafoko

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morago mma ke se ka ka e bua. Ke supe gore Rre go nna jalo, that thing has been reversed. I do not know Molebatsi o ne a re biditse re le Mapalamente ba region why o re he is not out of order, because it is not true, ya SPEDU a batla re lekodisana, re lebe dilo tse gore fa when someone is providing wrong information e re e re tla mo Ntlong e re tla re bua, re kopa Palamente gore itseng e le established fact, it has to be declared out of e thuse, re bo re lebile from a regional perspective... order.

MR MMOLOTSI: Point of order. Ke a leboga Mr MR SPEAKER: Professor, ke na le mathata gone foo, Speaker. Mr Speaker, ke utlwa ke tshwenyega thata. Honourable Dr Tshabang. Gakere sitting here, I cannot Golo mo ga gore presentations tsa Mapalamente di bo substantiate information ya gagwe le ya ga Honourable se interactive, go re direla mathata ka gore jaanong le Mmolotsi. That is why ke re, fa e le gore it is what he fa information e tswa e mislead Ntlo, ga go na gore e is saying is not true, fa le ne le neelana, nkabo e kile ka baakanngwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Re a itse gore ya re fa a bua gotwe clarification, if you remember the ba Lephata la Ditsha ba ne ba kwala ba supa gore ba Honourable Member stood on a point clarification, emisa thulaganyo ya gore batho ba ka dirisa masimo mo and Honourable Member refused to yield. Then he dikgwebong jaaka Tautona a kile a bua. Gompieno fa stood again on a different point which is point of order, re le mo Palamenteng, Mopalamente a supa gore golo jaanong a batla gore a eme a tle a bue point ya gagwe. mo go tsweletse, mme go na le dikwalo tse di neng di Ke sone se ke reng, because right now ga ke itse gore emisa gotwe golo mo go a emisiwa until further notice boammaaruri bo fa kae mo gare ga bobedi jwa lona, fa because batho jaanong ba setse ba tlisa sengwe le le ne le neelana le ne le ka baakanyetsana (correction), sengwe, go a tshwenya. Rre Modukanele is out of order but as far as I am concerned what he said is not out and misleading the nation. That thing has since been of order. Like you have rightly put it, it maybe not true stopped, dikwalo di teng to that effect. jaaka o bua, but not out of order. Ke gone fa ke leng MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member, ga ke wele thata teng foo. That is why ke re legale gongwe re ka kopa le gore he is out of order. Probably he could be, like you motlotlegi gore a itlhatswe, mme fela nna my ruling is are saying, from your own point of view, misleading or he is not out of order, it may not be true, but not out of talking about…(Inaudible)… information. Fa gongwe le order. Honourable Modukanele. a mpalela, fa le le mo Ntlong e, ke tsaya gore le tlaabo le HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. le mapolotiki le le mo matlhakoreng a a farologaneng, le batla to strike balance. MR SPEAKER: There was an elucidation by Honourable Mzwinila, Honourable Moswaane ntle re Jaanong fa mongwe wa lona ka fa letlhakoreng a bua utlwe Rre Mzwinila gongwe... la gagwe, wa letlhakoreng le lengwe e bo o kare ga a tlhaloganye sentle kana o batla go mmaakanyetsa, fa le MR MOSWAANE: Ee, mme procedure takes ne le neelana, go ne go ka re thusa thata. I think that is precedence... why Honourable Mmolotsi, gompieno o ema ka point of order, he is not out order, but you wanted to score your MR SPEAKER: Ga ke gane... point. Ke go tlogetse fela ka bomo gore o dire jalo, but MR MOSWAANE: That is the procedure. he is not out of order. A re neelaneng as much as we can. MR SPEAKER: Ke ne ke re gongwe o a mo tlhatswetsa, MR MODUKANELE: Mr Speaker, ntle ke baakanye legale go ahead. mokaulengwe ke re... MR MOSWAANE: Point of procedure. Mr Speaker, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. golo fa go na le mathata a gore le wena o ele tsamaiso HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. ya Ntlo e tlhoko, because le rona jaaka re riana re bathusi ba gago jaaka o re tsamaisa. Fa re se team DR TSHABANG: Point of procedure. Sorry Minister, le wena, go tlaa nna le mathata. Ke utlwile gore ke kopa tlhaloso Mr Speaker. Ga ke a go tlhaloganya Honourable Modukanele a reng, Honourable Member ka kgang ya ga Honourable Mmolotsi. A re makwalo this side ene o a supa fela gore kana false information a teng a kwadilwe, so se Honourable Modukanele a se is misleading to the nation, and that is being out of buang is not true. Fa makwalo a le teng, go tlhalosa se order. Ga o ka ke wa re he is not out order when he a buang gore batho ba ka dirisa masimo, ga go sa tlhole is misleading and providing false information. I am not

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necessarily referring to Honourable Modukanele, but ke tlhalose gore mo sebakeng sa gompieno, letsatsi leno, raya gore fa information e le false and misleading to the fa mongwe a batla gore a fetole tsamaiso ya tshimo ya nation, and somebody calling for a point of order, that gagwe, o a letlelelwa fela jaaka re itse tsamaiso e ntse ka person is right. We cannot say he is not out order, but teng, jaaka o e tlhalosa. Ke a leboga. he is misleading. If he is misleading, he is out of order completely, yes. MR MODUKANELE: Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke tle ke go leboge Minister, ke tsaya gore MR MMOLOTSI: Point of procedure. E ntse e le Batswana ba go utlwile. Gongwe we should not engage go baakanya procedure ya Ntlo Mr Speaker, go ne go in semantics as it were, my interpretation ke gore if batlile gore Honourable Modukanele a tshware floor, yo something is suspended, it is not cancelled. That is my Honourable Mzwinila a bo a kopa elucidation, a bo a understanding, mme legale Minister o e tlhalositse. Ke mo neela e se mo go dirwang mo. Mo ga se tsamaiso Mr batla go e feta e ntse jalo, ke bue ka… Speaker. That is how it is done, otherwise ga se bururu DR GOBOTSWANG: Point of procedure. Mr Speaker, ga go nne gone. Honourable Mmolotsi o supile gore go nnile le MR SPEAKER: I think you are quite right. Let us ask mokwalo, o emisa lenaneo le le buiwang le, la go dirisa Honourable Modukanele to take the floor, then I think masimo ka ditsela tse re di buang. Jaanong Honourable in the process you... Mzwinila, ene a re ba ne ba dira sengwe, mme jaanong lenaneo le siame le tsweletse. Ga go supafale gore go na MR MODUKANELE: Mr Speaker, as you directed, le mokwalo o o senyololang mokwalo wa ntlha. Gone ke ne ke eme a bo a kopa elucidation. I had already foo, ke bonang gore mo tsamaisong o kare ga a tsamaye yielded... sentle. He cannot come here and verbally pronounce on something that he had cancelled in writing. MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Gongwe o tlhalose gore makwalo a a neng a dule ale, e ne e le HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. makwalo a kemiso ya nakwana fa re santse re baakanya sengwe mo lephateng. Thulaganyo jaaka o e tlhalosa, DR GOBOTSWANG: I am on procedure Mr Speaker. ke jaaka e ntse. Batswana ba tshwanetse go tlhaloganya MR SPEAKER: Honourable Gobotswang ga o a fetsa? gore thulaganyo e tsweletse fela jaaka e ntse, re ne re baakanya sengwe mo lephateng. Re tsweletse ka DR GOBOTSWANG: Nnyaa rra. paakanyo ya teng, mme thulaganyo ga e a emisiwa, e MR SPEAKER: Are you still debating? ntse fela jaaka o e tlhalosa. Ke a leboga. DR GOBOTSWANG: Nnyaa, I am not debating, ka MR MMOLOTSI: Point of procedure. Mr Speaker, re... we cannot do things this way, I mean the Minister has just corroborated the statement that I made sa gore, MR SPEAKER: What are you doing? go emisitswe. Jaanong gore go temporary kana ga go temporary, the fact of the matter is that, that programme DR GOBOTSWANG: I am clarifying point... is not ongoing. Re a itse gore le fa gotwe selo se emisitswe MR SPEAKER: Gakere o ne o bua ka procedure, ka nakwana, re itse gore ka nakwana mo go Goromente jaanong what are you talking about? e kgona go nna forever. So gore Minister a bo a tswelela a re it is something se se tsweletseng, mme yo mongwe DR GOBOTSWANG: I am still on procedure Mr a re re emisitse ka nakwana, go o a supa gore that thing Speaker. e emisitswe. Whether ke ka nakwana, kana nakwana ya teng is not defined. So for now, it would be wrong for the MR SPEAKER: Go ahead. Minister gore a boke something se se emisitsweng, se re DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke ne ke re, o senyolotse sa itseng gore e tlaa re after review e se emiseditswe, sa tsamaiso ka mokwalo, gore a e buseletse o tshwanetse tswelela kana sa se ka sa tswelela. gore a tle mo Palamenteng a bo a supa go nnile le MR MODUKANELE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ga ke mokwalo o o senyololang se a kileng a se dira. Ga a ka itse gore, gongwe we should not... ke a tla go bua ka molomo.

MR MZWINILA: Point of elucidation. Ke a leboga MR SPEAKER: Honourable Dr Gobotswang, kana motlotlegi. Gore kgang e e tlhatswege, gongwe o nna le a mmakatsa. Le batla go baakanya procedure ya

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Palamente, kana le batla go baakanya tsamaiso ya kwa o e tlhalosa sentle go utlwala, ya Lerala-Maunatlala. ofising ya gaHonourable Mzwinila. I do not understand The population e tona thata, ga e tlhokane le a clinic, e where you are, that is why ke ne re a ko re tlogeleng tlhokana le a district hospital. Sepatela se se bonalang, se Honourable Modukanele a tswelele with the debate. se ka robatsang batho ka gore mo nakong ya gompieno, ke na le bosupi jwa gore o boloka o bo o bolokolola MR MODUKANELE: Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa beke le beke ka ntata ya go tlhoka dithuso ka ba di kopa Palamente, ke a leboga. Ntle re amogele se e leng kwa Palapye le Sefhare. Ga go a lekana golo moo mo boammaaruri fela e seng sepe gape, and not waste time bathong ba Lerala-Maunatlala. Thank you so much. on interpretations. MR MODUKANELE: Thank you Rre Moswaane. Ke ne ke wela ka kgang ya botsogo jwa Lerala- Kgang e ke e buang, ke mafoko one ao. Gongwe re ka Maunatlala. Jaaka re tlhola re e bua le other Honourable bo re dirisa a a farologaneng fela but I am saying the Members of Parliament (MPs) gore we need to look at it same thing that you are saying. At the minimal, keletso in that perspective as a regional issue. Ke tsaya gore ke tlaa di bua le Rre Lelatisitswe le Rre Dikoloti. Seemo se ke gore, all things being equal, fa itsholelo e letla, ke go se ntseng jaana, I think it is exacerbated by dikokelwana bona a primary hospital kwa Lerala. Ka le boammaaruri tse di leng teng. O fitlhela di se na dikoloi. Ambulances mma re bo bue, it was in the National Development tsa gore fa mongwe a lwala, o ka sianesediwa gaufi, Plan (NDP) 11 fa re simolola. Letlhoko le ne la nnisiwa a isiwa kwa go bo Gobotswang kwa Sefhare Primary maswe ke seemo se re leng mo go sone sa COVID, e bo Hospital kana Palapye. Ke sengwe sa diemo tse e leng e felela e sa bone the way into the Mid-Term Review. My gore it is exacerbating the situation as it is now. belief and hope ke gore, e tlaa re fa seemo se tokafala, e nne nngwe ya the projects tse di tlaa nnang tsa ntlha Maloba ke ne ke re re tshwanetse re e lebe as a regional thing. O bona fa o tswa mo Sherwood o ya go lebelelwa. kwa Moletemane, ke bua jaanong ka ya ditsela, ke In the meantime, Tona wa me o a tle a re, “heelang! Fa tlaa e kopanya le ya botsogo gape; tsela e e tswang go le maswe, we have to build the ship as we sink.” Ka kwa Sherwood o ralala o ya kwa Moletemane, fa nako nngwe Modimo o ka thusa madi a bonala, ke nngwe ya re iphitlhela re le mo seemong se gompieno, we have to projects tse mo botshelong jwa me, ke eletsang go bona explore other avenues tse di ka dirang gore mme kwa di diragetse. That is an economic lifeline. Fa e nna teng, bofelong jwa letsatsi, botsogo jwa tšhaba e, re santse re e ya go tsosa economy ya Tuli Block. Kana golo ka kwa emetse tse dingwe tse di botoka in future, re bo re ka bo go a lemiwa, go ruilwe. tokafatsa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Ke gone fa ke reng, I will continue, e bile ga ke ka ke ka ipona tsapa to engage Ke go fe sekai Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, Rre Dikoloti le ba bangwe go bona gore kwa bofelong bangwe ba ne ba wa ka a tractor in one of the farms ka jwa letsatsi, re ka dira jang. fa morago ga Lerala. Go tsere three days gore batho bao ba bone ngaka. Ba ne ba ya Sefhare ba fitlhela ngaka a Ke buile ka tsela ya Moletemane-Sherwood gore that tšhaisitse, ba tsewa the following day ba bo ba busiwa. is a potential economic lifeline. Le yone ke tlaa e bua Kwa bofelong, ba ne ba bona thuso. Se ke batlang go le Rre Segokgo kwa bothokong go bona gore dilo tse se bua ke gore, if there was a facility fa Lerala, gaufi le dingwe re ka di akantshanya jang. Fa nako e mo letla, that economic agricultural hub, batho bao ba ka bo ba ene le Rre Dikoloti le ba bangwe, re boe ka kwa re ye bone thuso ka bonako, ba bo ba boela mo dipolaseng go bona dilo tse dingwe tse. Makgoa ba re, “seeing tsa bone. Ba re ntshetsa dijo, ba bona gore dikgomo di is believing.” Fa re di bona ka matlho, re kgona go di somarelesegile. My view and my vision for this area, akanya botoka. fa re ntse re buisana le Rre Dikoloti gongwe ra nna le Mma ke bue ka the road network; bagaetsho, re convergence of minds, what exists can be upgraded to tshwanetse re akgole Goromente yo. Kwa kgaolong ya something se kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi, se ka netla. me, the 16 villages that I talked about, there is no single What matters is not the buildings but the modal of village e o ka sekeng wa kgona go goroga teng o se mo service delivery. sekonotereng. That is a fact. Boammaaruri ke gore, ga Ke bo ke tsena mo kgannyeng ya sub-district... ke itse gore a e ne e le phosego kana eng, go tshwana o tswa Maunatlala o ya kwa tseleng ele ya Phikwe, kana MR MOSWAANE: Elucidation Mr Speaker. O e go na le turn ke e, e tsena mo Lesenepole gone fale, tshwere sentle Motlotlegi Tona. Tona, kgang e, ke batla which is less than 10 km. E tswa mo such a big road, e

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ke dumelang gore fa e ne e se dilo tsa gore I am not privy nna ra gogoba le Matona, re bo re tlhomagana e kete re to the reasons as it was done way back, e ka bo e rile rapela Medimo ya disetwa. A mme mme go tlaa siama? nako eo, policy e ya gore we connect the villages tse di Thank you. less than 10 km or less, ke solofela re ka bo re kgaotse distance e ntsi. Gompieno go tsamaiwa ka tarmac and MR MODUKANELE: Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa reach Lesenepole. Fa o tsamaya jaana, you add 62 km. Palamente, ke ya kwa motsubong. Ke tsaya gore re Fa o kgaola fela ka re, it is less than 7 km, o bo o le mo tshwanetse re bolelele Batswana se e leng boammaaruri. Lesenepole. The same fa o tswa mo Majwaneng o ya The Health Policy ya lefatshe le Rre Gobotswang, if you kwa nnetlaneng. still remember it, re sale re buile bogologolo re le party e e busang gore, within a radius of this much, we will Mma ke e fete in 3 minutes yo o setseng ke bue ka make sure gore go nna le a health facility of some sort. extension services. Ke lebile Rre Gare ke yo, ga ke bone Se e leng boammaaruri ke gore, fa go senang teng, ke Mme Manake. Kgang ya balemisi, bakenti le ba bangwe fa e le gore madi a a tlhaela. Ke buile ka re we cannot at the village level, ke yone e e leng gore at the end of stop talking about issue e ka gore re na le tsholofelo the day, it makes an extension service. Rre Gare, e tlaa ya gore e tlaa re fa economy e tokafala, projects tse di re mo tsamaong ya nako, re buisane golo fa. Fa re batla ntseng jaana re nne re tswelele re di kopele madi. Re go tokafatsa ISPAAD, all things being equal, ke a itse itlamile mo bukeng e gore re ya go dira jalo, we are gore dilo tse dingwe ga di yo mme e le lebaka la gore going to make sure gore dipatela tse di nnyennyane di itsholelo ga e letle. Fa go letla jaaka motho a ne a netla, godisetswa to the district, tse di kwa tlase di a dirwa. le nna ke tlatse ba ba reng Rre Gare, ke yone nako e. Fa That is why ke re I cannot tire of talking about issue ya e le gore re ka tsamaya ra gogoba, ra khubama, ra ya sepatela, mme ke go utlwile mokaulengwe. kwa DPSM, I will join you go kopa posts to make sure gore extension service is up to the mark. Fa molemisi le In two seconds ke leboga ba Lerala-Maunatlala, ke mokenti ba seyo, economy ya local area e a bo e sule. Fa leboge Makhanselara a Lerala-Maunatlala ba e leng gore o bona Motswana a ntsha kgomo a re ke ya go e rekisa, e rile mo nakong ya COVID-19 maloba ka lockdowns, ba ne ba eme ka ditsentsepa, ba bona gore batho ba bona o bo o itse gore motseto o fapogile marago. Fa e kare a dijo, ba tsenya masks, le gompieno ba ntse ba rera pina tsena go bo gotwe ga o ka ke wa rekisa kgomo ka gore e. Mo kgannyeng ya COVID-19, gongwe le gongwe fa mokenti ga a yo go sekaseka bolus and other things, o tsamayang teng mo kgaolong ya Lerala-Maunatlala, go raya gore kana Motswana yoo o ya go boela kwa ka o ya go fitlhela motho a tsentse mask. Foo gone ke ka kutlobotlhoko... go rurifaletsa, ga ke itse gongwe o kare sanitizer, mme HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. ba tlhapa diatla, mme mask all the time o tlaa o fitlhela. Gone mo ke go ba lebogele gore ke gone jaaka ba thusa MR MODUKANELE: Ke buisiwa se ke gore, go na Tautona le His Honour the Vice President ka go bona le slaughterhouse kwa Lesenepole. Bontsi jwa nako go gore bolwetse jo re a bo lwantsha. tlaabo gotwe mokenti o kwa Maokatumo kana Palapye, ba bo ba dirisa peterolenyana ya bone ya bofelo ba ya go Rre Never Tshabang, ke go fa two seconds yo o setseng, latela mokenti. Ke re yone eo… you can do your clarification.

MR SPEAKER: I thought I said procedure Honourable DR TSHABANG: Clarification. In future, go raya Member and you did not stand up. O bo o tlogela mike gore o tle o ipaakantse. Ga o ka ke wa tla go lela jaaka o le on. rona mme wena o le mo the ruling party, o bo o gogoba ka mangole. O leke to improve, fa o bona re re Dr MR MOSWAANE: Procedure. Re ne re ka se ke ra ema Gobotswang o imelwa ke dikgaolo tse pedi, re gana re le babedi Morena. Ke ema ka procedure gore it has gone foo. now come to a norm ya gore Batlotlegi Mapalamente o kare ba tlaa gogoba mo floor e go kopa dipatela. MR MODUKANELE: Tanki Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo Ga ke itse gore a seemo se o tshwanetse o se letlelele tsa Palamente. Dr Never, ke ne ke sa itse gore fa ke re Mr Speaker? O kare re tlaa gogoba mo floor go batla ke go fa sebaka, o tlile go bua dilo tse, ga ke go itse o dipatela whereas the statistics di supa gore kwa Tonota le motho yo o ntseng jalo. Ga ke batle le tsaya mafoko le Francistown, go batlega dipatela. Jaanong gatwe e a lona le bo le a tsenya mo leganong la me, ga ke ise ke nne tsamaiso ya Ntlo e gore re a gogoba, e bile re ka re…

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LEADER OF THE MINORITY (MR MMOLOTSI): Corruption is institutionalised in our country and the Thank you very much Mr Speaker for giving me this perception that it is spearheaded by the leadership is not opportunity to respond to the State of the Nation Address helping the situation. As the leadership, it is important (SONA). Mr Speaker, I believe time has come for this that we stay away from what people may perceive as republic to be better, and I believe this republic can be corruption, for should they do, then our country and better and can be better than all the time. economy will be doomed. Honourable Molale, this is very clear gore dilo tse dingwe le fa e le gore ga o ka ke Mr Speaker, I stand on the shoulders of the people of wa re corruption e clear, but perceptions, fa di re this is Francistown South for whom I have a responsibility corruption, we must be very careful because otherwise to represent to the best of my ability. I stand as well we can never control corruption in the country. on behalf of my party, the Alliance for Progressives (AP) who have made it possible for me to be here. I Another pandemic Mr Speaker that we face is Gender- am obligated as well Mr Speaker, to speak on behalf of Based Violence (GBV). GBV has reached crisis levels every Motswana as per the oath of this office. I stand and we need to approach the matter with the sensitivity here today cognisant of this responsibility, and pray that and the urgency it deserves. Our women and children I would live up to the task. are living in fear on account of men who have turned Mr Speaker, I rise not so much to respond to the SONA themselves into feral animals. Government ought to do but to offer what myself and the movement I represent, something better than setting up a ministerial committee the AP, see as the state of the nation as well as to offer to investigate the causes of this pandemic and take a way forward. This I do because frankly speaking Mr decisive action. We still implore the Government as we Speaker, the President’s version delivered here last week did in our last response, to move in haste, to set up a did not give any hope to Batswana who desperately dedicated unit to deal with GBV across all the police need jobs, food, superior medical care, good education stations as well as the special courts to expedite the and better infrastructure. GBV cases. The last part of the strategy Mr Speaker to fight GBV, should be to include the several Non- Mr Speaker, I rise as well because I feel compelled to Governmental Organisations (NGOs) that deal with offer the nation a way out and a pathway to recovery from these issues on a daily basis. At a legislative level, the devastating blow meted on us by the Coronavirus we should have a quota for women representation pandemic because the President failed to offer any. at all decision making tables. This is but a small part We have lost so much as a country and as individuals, in ensuring that we have gender sensitive polices and and our economy is seriously injured. Mr Speaker, the laws. We must have empowerment programmes skewed Coronavirus pandemic has ravaged our country in ways towards women so that they can be economically that were not imaginable a few months ago. We have independent and thereby reduce dependence on men lost colleagues, friends, relatives and family members. who take advantage of women’s economic situation. Mr Speaker, the frontline staff, that is the soldiers, the Mr Speaker, the country’s economy is in the Intensive police, teachers, truck drivers, the nurses, the doctors, Care Unit (ICU), some experts have actually opinioned the cleaners, the district commissioners and officers that this will be worse than the 2008/09 financial crisis. have laboured and suffered heavily, physically and We can only hold our breath and hope that it is not, or mentally as they battle this pandemic, armed with will not be the case. The trust, confidence and credibility nothing but love and patriotism for the country. I bow in this Government has suffered a huge blow due to to acknowledge and pay homage to these selfless mostly the secrecy surrounding how the pandemic is individuals. The least Mr Speaker, we can do as a thank being handled. Misinformation and decisions that are you, as I said even in the November session, is to offer almost kneejerk from the Government does not help. these ladies and gentlemen a 13th cheque this December However, even without the Coronavirus pandemic Mr as a token of appreciation. Speaker, it was going to be tough to uplift the nation’s HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)... mood this year.

MR MMOLOTSI: Mr Speaker, amiss the heavy Our country has been on a downward spiral for some difficulties we find ourselves in the public sector is time; stagnant economy, jobless growth, high inequality, corruption, which is growing at an exponential rate. widespread poverty and the monster corruption.

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Mr Speaker, our country is fast approaching the failed have. We would like to ask the Government to make a state status. Our revenue sources are strained and it will special dispensation, Honourable Mzwinila, for persons take some time to recover. Our biggest revenue source; who were denied plots on account of spouses having diamonds, are not forever and we will soon reach the plots to be fast-tracked, so that they can also have land. finishing line, that we find ourselves in the deep end; Mr Speaker, this is a very serious plea to the Honourable cold, lost and almost on the brink of collapse is without Minister to ensure that those that were denied plots on question. Make no mistake Mr Speaker, the Coronavirus account of marriage should now be given plots. pandemic has also accelerated along coming and near demise, the only solace is that it happened early than it People who gained ownership of their plots through would have without the pandemic and we find ourselves inheritance or purchase Honourable Minister of Lands, being handed an opportunity to start anew or afresh. should not be denied plots because they deserve the right to be allocated land as the citizens of Botswana. The route of our dysfunction as a nation is our institutions, How do we deny people land or our citizens plots just they are not only weak, but also lack in many respects, because they inherited plots from their parents or were the agility and the greed needed to put up a good fight lucky to have money to purchase plots before they were against the hardships that we find ourselves confronted allocated? This is an unjust law and therefore, we want with today. So, these same political institutions Mr to plead with you Honourable Minister to make sure that Speaker, cannot be realistically expected to drive or this does not happen and those who got ownership of guide the economic institutions from which we can their land through inheritance or purchase, should be seize the opportunity and birth a new era. What we need given an opportunity to also get allocated land. to have from the onset to emerge is a bold new way of governing, one that comes with big structural changes The turnaround time for plot allocation which stands at to create a path for conducive institutions arrangements 23 years in Francistown and other parts of the country that can adequately respond to the scale of challenges should be reduced to three years, failing which, the that we face. Government will have to ensure that land applications for deceased persons should accrue to their estates so Mr Speaker, what we need is not the new normal, but that beneficiaries, who are mostly children can access to step in front of the next normal. The structure of the that land. economy post COVID-19 pandemic, certainly cannot be the same as the economy before COVID-19. The state Mr Speaker, we believe that home ownership should and state institutions are a powerful tool that should be be prioritised and encouraged. In doing so, we ask the used to meet the enemy face off. Maybe at the onset Mr Government to expedite the amendment of the Sectional Speaker, let this be clear, the COVID 19 crisis is still to Titles Law, so that tenants of Botswana Housing come. Mr Speaker, what can we do? We should set our Corporation (BHC) flats can be allowed to buy them. We eyes on the world stage and strive to build world class also ask the Government to lift the moratorium on the institutions. We believe that Botswana can and should sale of pool houses so that those willing to buy them can be a paragon of prosperity and nation building in the do so. This is in the spirit of trying to encourage home African Continent, this is the dream of a new Botswana. ownership in the country. These two issues have been on If we had a Government with a vision and the necessary the cards for a while and it is my hope that Government resolve, COVID-19 was a golden opportunity to make will ensure that all hurdles are removed before the a transformational leap and change the circumstances end of this year so that come next year, citizens of this of our country and improve the lives of our people. country can be free to purchase BHC flats and also the This was the time to build back better and to introduce pool houses. the necessary reforms, instead, what we see from the Mr Speaker, as the AP, we have committed to making Government is business as usual. sure that the economy grows at 10 per cent year in As the Alliance for Progressives (AP) Mr Speaker, we and year out, and that everyone must have a job and have committed to ensuring that everyone has a plot; that within six years in power, unemployment would residential and commercial that they can use to make a be less than 10 per cent as opposed to the over 20 per living and these are the promises we made when we were cent that we see today. This is possible Mr Speaker, campaigning for the elections in the year of the Lord and even other countries are doing it now, for instance; 2019. Mr Speaker, land is a necessity that everyone must unemployment in Singapore is 2.1 per cent, Mauritius;

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7 per cent and in Chile it is 7.1 per cent. How can we not or countries in setting up multinational companies. achieve this when other countries are doing it? Today we are very proud of diamond and beef. Why can we not set up multinationals out there that deal with In any case, in the past when we had committed and beef, diamond or anything that we think we produce in focused leaders, our economy was performing far much abundance in our country? Companies di a tla di feta mo better, averaging over 10 per cent at some point. As Botswana, they take a lot of money and invest in their the AP Mr Speaker, we believe that for our economy own countries. Like I say, we produce the best beef in to grow and provide the required jobs, it has to focus the country. We can look at the value chain and actually on supporting and nurturing Small Micro and Medium say out of these, what is it that we can use go ya go dira Enterprises (SMMEs) as we believe that they are the multinational bulk company e e leng gore it can invest backbone of our economy. The SMMEs are faced with kwa Russia, Chile and Singapore for the country. daunting challenges and the Government of the day is doing nothing to help, to handhold them and ensure that Ga gona yo o ka ganetsang Mr Speaker, gore Debswana they grow. supports a lot of small businesses and a lot of people are employed in these small businesses. This is the chain Re buile go le gantsi Mr Speaker, gore lefatshe la rona le that we want to see even in other sectors. tlhoka go itebaganya le seemo sa go dira dikompone tsa megobagoba (multinationals). Re kile ra bona Botswana Mr Speaker, the agriculture industry can take our mo dinakong tse di fetileng, a kgona go nna le dipuisano country far. It is not only a source of food but can also le dikompone di tshwana le De Beers, gore re tsene mo create thousands of jobs for our people. We can diversify thulaganyong e e neng ya dira gore Botswana e gole ka diteemane mo nakong ya gompieno. As the AP, we our economy, something that has eluded Botswana are proposing that we should do the same, but re le mo Democratic Party (BDP) Government for over 50 years. sectors tse dingwe like agriculture, e e leng gore mo We can defeat abject poverty. All we need Mr Speaker, nakong ya gompieno can provide a lifeline. Fa re sa dire is a leadership that has the foresight and the will to jalo Mr Speaker, re tlaa nna le mathata. focus on this sector. Let me draw you Mr Speaker, to the case of Dutch agriculture; they have agriculture MR MAJAGA: Elucidation. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa exports which are worth over 93 billion Euros, which is Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke a leboga motlotlegi, o e equivalent to P1 trillion, which is eight times our Gross tshwere sentle. Thulaganyo eo e ntle mme kana go na le Domestic Product (GDP). mines tse dintsi, re a itse gore ke Botswana Ash le De Beers mo Goromente a leng 50/50 per cent. A mme o ne Milk and pigs alone. The value of the export of milk o sa bone gore Goromente, jaaka BMC a nne le seabe, a and pigs alone is over P21 billion. I am talking about thusane le Batswana, a tseye 50 per cent stake mo BMC the Dutch agriculture. Eggs alone; export of eggs alone le mines ka bontsi, tsa Lucara le Mowana. is more than P8 billion. So you can see the contribution A sa eme fela gone foo, le tse dingwe tse e leng gore are that agriculture is making to the economies of the world ventures, gongwe le ene a felele a tswela kwa ntle a nna and therefore, why can we not do the same because we le some multi companies, kana a tsenye mangwe madi have everything that we need to achieve that? When a e leng gore Batswana can form those consortium gore you take for instance the beef Mr Speaker, we can do letlhoko la ditiro le go thuse, go nne kwa pele. much better than we are doing today. We have focus only on selling beef and neglected the benefits we can MR MMOLOTSI: What we are talking about here Mr accrue from focusing on the cattle value chain. As the Speaker, is the model o o neng wa dirisiwa at the time Alliance for Progressives (AP), we believe that with the fa go dirwa tumalano e ya De Beers and Botswana, was right leadership, we can be a leader in the beef industry a brilliant model because it has produced results that worldwide. we are enjoying today. We are saying that we should also look at other sectors like agriculture, and follow the HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. same model. Go out there, look for partners and follow the same model. It is my contention that we will also MR MMOLOTSI: I will give you. Our beef is arguably benefit greatly from this kind of model or arrangement. the best beef in the world and yet we do not have, we do not own and we have no intention of establishing Mr Speaker, I was also saying that it is very important or acquiring the beef companies, trading and competing gore as a country, we should imitate successful nations in the international market. At the AP, we believe that

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beef industry can be grown to bring in revenue that MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moswaane, your is equivalent, if not more than the one we get from microphone is on. diamonds. For this to be realised Mr Speaker, we need the right leadership, attitude and mind-set. MR MMOLOTSI: We therefore reiterate our position that the Government should introduce the farmer’s HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of elucidation. borehole drilling scheme aimed at assisting individual arable farmers to drill boreholes in their fields. This will MR SPEAKER: What are you standing on Honourable help farmers to be in production all year out. We also Member? suggest that Government should introduce the…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR SPEAKER: Elucidation? MR MMOLOTSI: …ploughing machinery, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Yes Mr Speaker. implements and equipment subsidy scheme that will help farmers to buy farming equipment. MR SPEAKER: Point of elucidation, I thought she said point of elucidation. Is that what I heard? Go ahead Mr Speaker, Government should also reintroduce Honourable Minister. cooperatives to deal with issues of marketing and distribution. ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MS MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moswaane, can you MANAKE): Elucidation. Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke switch off your microphone. ne ke re ke dumalane le Honourable Mmolotsi gore dilo tse a di buang, ke tse re di dirang, e bile re setse MR MMOLOTSI: We have the land… re simolotse go di dira. E bile the potential that he is HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. talking about is what we have realised. This is why now we are empowering our people to be able to reach those MR MMOLOTSI: …and the world has the technology opportunities and values that you have been talking to turn our dry plains into a food basket, adequate to about. Jaanong ke dumalana le ene gore mme a se feed ourselves and parts of the world with raw and ka a re tlhobosa a re re paletswe, re mo go tsone dilo manufactured foods. tseo, re a dira. In the beef industry, we have done live exports tse e leng gore we have actually appreciated and Israel, a more desert than us gains billions annually stimulated the price discovery e e leng gore our farmers from agriculture. It is a pity that the best we can do are now very happy and we believe we are revitalising despite the potential we have in agriculture is a mere 4 the beef industry going forward. I thank you Honourable per cent contribution to the GDP. We believe that it is Member. time for us to move into food processing as well, and set up manufacturing plants for beasts. MR MMOLOTSI: Thank you very much Honourable Minister for that intervention, but you know that you Mr Speaker, we cannot aspire to lead in other sectors are not doing enough and in fact, we only say you have when we are unable to maximise value from what we done anything when we see the results. already have, like the beef and the diamond. We are a beef and diamond country and we can be in the lead Mr Speaker, we have in the past indicated that the in every or many parts of the beef and diamond value biggest impediment to arable and pastoral agriculture chain. The President is silent on this. Mr Speaker, we is lack of water. We all know that rainfall in Botswana can make billions of Pula and create thousands of jobs if is unreliable and very erratic. Arable farming requires we can focus on the beef and the diamond value chain, water for irrigation and once there is water, then food and beneficiation processes. The Government should can be produced all year out. Dry land farming cannot consider setting up the beef and mineral beneficiation be relied upon if the country is serious about attaining sector, sector funds to help these sectors to grow. food security and food self-sufficiency. Pastoral farming also requires water to produce food for livestock. The Mr Speaker with the amount of sunlight, one of the drought situation in Botswana dictates that farmers highest in the world, we can become a leader in solar should plant fodder for their lives. energy, everything from battery technology and solar

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solutions to implementation management. Thousands Youth employment and the creative industry; Mr of jobs can be created from this sector. We can power Speaker, people especially our youth are highly the whole country and export a surplus to neighbouring educated and skilled. We can lead knowledge sectors in countries. Agriculture in Botswana can be powered software development, material science, conservation, by solar energy, so that the cost of producing food is particularly water, indigenous medicines, meat and meat reduced. recipes in local foods, unique tourist attractions, health services and banking services. Many young people are The Government should consider setting up the Energy already ahead in this areas, but doing at a small scale. Sector Fund, that will help grow the energy sector. All they need is a Government that is in touch with the times and they will conquer the world. Mr Speaker, we are in a geo-strategic position to link Africa with itself, as well as Africa with the East and The Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture West. This is why we have proposed as the Alliance for Development and that of Investment, Trade and Industry Progressives (AP) to set Botswana as a transport and should consider this as an emergency. The world is logistics hub for goods and people. We are seriously moving in this direction and instead of focusing only punching below our weight when the only thing the in small stock production which is slow and low yield, President mentions on infrastructure is the expansion of we should direct and assist our youth to focus on this ...(Interruption)… or road linking that village to another. fast and highly profitable ventures. Mr Speaker, we can base our recovery on building a creative arts industry MR MOSWAANE: Procedure Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke that is robust. The creative arts industry in Botswana re a o setse o lemogile gore Ntlo e e dule mo tseleng? is small and inward looking, and it is not being used Sengwe le sengwe se se buiwang ke the opposition to its full potential to diversify the economy. The size party e le se se molemo, se se ka bidiwang gotwe a good of the country cannot accommodate the annual influx idea, e nna gore re setse re simolotse, re se dira kamoso. of graduates, whether they are actors, film makers, fine Ga o ka ke wa kgona go re baakanyetsa bo Minister go artists, fashion designers or musicians. At the moment tlogela go re kopisetsa ka tswee-tswee? Golo mo go Mr Speaker, this is one of the hardest hit sectors and the setse go senya boleng jwa Ntlo e tota. Thank you. President is surprisingly silent on any measures in place MR SPEAKER: Ga nkake. to resuscitate the industry.

MR MMOLOTSI: He can do better than this Mr Mr Speaker, there is need for the Government of Speaker. We can connect Gaborone with all cities in Botswana to make a special dispensation to assist Africa, to facilitate fast movement of people and trade. artist who have been on lockdown long before the This will also have an effect of depopulating cities, as Government declared official lockdowns. Artists are still people may commute from places that are along the under lockdown since the current numbers prescribed railway line. Traffic will also be greatly reduced and cannot make artists to even break even. Artists have environmental pollution too. become destitutes and some of them go to bed hungry every day. Some bought equipment through financial Mr Speaker, this is achievable by investing in high institutions and are now in arrears and risk losing speed trains and associated infrastructure. We need to that investment. It is our contention Mr Speaker, that invest in fuel pipelines from oil producing countries something should be done as a matter of urgency. The and to consider setting up refineries in Botswana so that Government should consider setting up a sector fund for we reduce the risk of fuel shortages. Le bonye maloba the creative industry so that artists can access loans to fela COVID-19 e re tšhaa! Fela, re bo re setse re le mo grow their businesses. Let us also consider opening up mathateng a a hakgamatsang. We need to build water the entertainment industry and allow good numbers that distribution networks and take water to all places in the will sustain the industry. country which do not have sufficient water. All this will create tens and thousands of construction jobs. If we Let us also look at the alcohol industry and level the do not think about this now, when diamonds are still playground between bars and liquor restaurants. Mr yielding something, we will never achieve any modern Speaker, people running bars are disadvantaged in day infrastructure in future when all our revenues favour of liquor restaurants and this has the effect of streams would have dried up. exacerbating the COVID-19 situation because of

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overcrowding. Badiragatsi Mr Speaker ba a nyelela (BOCRA) needs to increase the local content quota ke tlala. Ba bangwe ba a ikaletsa, bangwe ba palelwa for protection of the local music industry, which is ke go isa bana dikoleng mme pele ga COVID-19 still at its infancy. Right now, artists from outside badiragatsi ba ne ba itirela madi a bone, ba sa kope ope make more money than our local artists and BOCRA sepe. Seemo se ba leng mo go sone se, ba tshwanelwa should look at this matter so that the advantage is ke gore ba thusiwe ke Goromente ka gore ga se bone ba skewed towards our own people. ba se ipileditseng. Ke sone se e leng gore in the short to medium term Mr Speaker, this Honourable House (6) The other challenge is that of lack of trust of artists should also look at laws that are making life difficult in the efficacy of distribution of royalties. for the creative industry. Copyright Society of Botswana Mr Speaker, let me talk about delivery in the public (COSBOTS) Mr Speaker, has a number of challenges. service. Mr Speaker, we need to strengthen our Kana COSBOTS Mr Speaker, ke yone e e neng e ka implementation muscle by way of setting up a delivery thusa badiragatsi. It has a number of challenges, which unit. Several countries have gone this route with if not addressed, artist will continue to cry. The current remarkable success. I will mention Malaysia and the challenges of COSBOTS are…let me just try to give famous Performance Management & Delivery Unit them to you; (PEMANDU). We need to make a switch to meritocracy and ditch cadre development, e re neng re e omanyetsa (1) Ineffective business model. You know COSBOTS Honourable Mzwinila in the public service, specifically approach users to collect royalties and there is still in top Government positions and key managerial so much resistance from users and therefore there is positions. need to come up with a model like Botswana Unified Deploy the best and the brightest, Honourable Ministers. Revenue Service (BURS), where collection would This Government has shown an uncharacteristic be mandatory. Right now when they go out there to appetite to overlook capable people and favour friends talk to users and try to licence them so that they can and relatives. collect, you know there is so much resistance. As a result, no money or very little money is being made. We should move with haste into evidence-based policy making. We cannot continue to make decisions based (2) The other challenge is that of lack of adherence on data that is five to 10 years old when multiple shifts to Copyright and Neighbouring Rights Act; have happened and interventions undertaken are no Government should be in the forefront in terms of longer effective. We must ruthlessly focus on quick adherence, but currently most of the ministries and wins and low-hanging fruits by improving the business Government departments are not willing to licence. environment and international competitiveness. A start Therefore they consume the product for free. will be to set up a unit that will turn around our ease of doing business and competitiveness in the regional (3) The other challenge is return on investment. and world stage. This will assist greatly in attracting the Potential partners like local authorities Mr Speaker, much needed funding. should be authorised to licence users on behalf of COSBOTS. The amounts spent on the exercise far Mr Speaker, we need to move with haste to conduct exceeds collections, if it is done by COSBOTS. a rationalisation exercise for Government structure, Unfortunately, the Minister of Youth, Sports and starting with the Office of the President (OP). At Culture is not here, but these are things that he current, we have too many departments under OP for should know about. it to operate efficiently. It is cluttered. Mr Speaker, we need to run a lean Government. We can do with less (4) The other challenge that I have is no or inadequate than 10 ministries. One of the countries believed to be enforcement. Police and local authorities; bye- among the best run in the world is Finland and the other law enforcement agencies need to get engaged in one is Sweden. They have just 14 ministries. Sweden enforcing compliance because right now even when has a population of more than 10 million while we have people do not comply, there is nothing that can be a population of just two million. done. Mr Speaker, we need to urgently review and redefine the (5) The other one is lack of support for local content. duties and responsibilities of Cabinet as provided for by Botswana Communications Regulatory Authority the Constitution.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. and peoples’ driven Constitutional review and amendment as per the democratic norms and ideals to MR MMOLOTSI: I do not have time, sir. Appointment reflect the aspirations of our nation and guarantee a rule of the Cabinet should not be limited to Parliament of law, proper management of public resources, a clear tenure, but should be determined by performance and separation of powers and adherence to accountability not electoral cycle. and transparency measures among others. We cannot We need to nurture a strong working Local Government wait for a Government whose intentions are unclear on System by decentralising responsibilities and resources this issue. We cannot continue to be subjected to abuse to councils to enable them to implement development and mismanagement by a Government that continuously projects on time and on budget. To this end, we would makes promises and does not deliver on them. like to ask that all clinics be transferred to councils as a matter of urgency, Honourable Molale, for management Mr Speaker, our Constitution gives the President and timely service delivery. excessive and unchecked power, and ensures that he or We need to swiftly remove key oversight institutions she is accountable to no one but himself or herself. We from the OP and ensure they are directly accountable cannot continue with this setup. to Parliament; the likes of Ombudsman, Directorate Parliamentary oversight has been reduced to nothing on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC), Auditor General and so on and so forth. We need to amend Acts as Parliament itself is a department under the OP. of these institutions to ensure that they comply with The independence of Parliament and of the Judiciary international best practice. This is critical in fighting is undermined as they act as junior partners to the corruption and malice that greatly negates economic Executive branch, failing in every possible measure to growth. hold the Executive branch to account for anything. In fact, both branches take instructions from the OP. This Mr Speaker, we cannot turn our fortunes around. We Mr Speaker, is a shameful state of affairs and a clear cannot have a viable economic strategy out of this violation of the doctrine of separation of powers. As pandemic. We cannot set our country on a path of the AP, we will move Mr Speaker, to ensure that we high income status if we do not immediately focus on have a process that reflects the interests of the people an overhaul of our Constitution. Mr Speaker, we can by involving as many stakeholders as possible. We will use our Constitution as a tool for transformation. We over the next few months, kick-start a process to draw are in this mess together because our Constitutional up general Constitutional principles that will guide architecture allows the Executive branch, and more and facilitate the process of public participation for the precisely, allows the President to govern alone and Constitutional review. with zero accountability. The President has now moved to rule as a Monarch for a year, through the State of The Independent Electoral Commission (IEC) image Public Emergency that was literally forced to the nation and reputation have been damaged by their perceived on the basis of the numbers rather than any reasonable dependence on the OP. We cannot continue to have submissions on why the State of Emergency is necessary. an electoral body that takes instructions from OP. Mr Speaker, to rehabilitate and guarantee the independence st The President has since his inauguration in April 1 of and maximise the efficiency of the IEC, the IEC office 2018 made promises that Government will conduct needs to be removed from the supervision of the OP to a comprehensive review of the Constitution. We still account directly to Parliament. The appointment of the hear of the exact same promise more than two years Secretary of the IEC be done by a Select Committee of later with no progress whatsoever done on that promise. Parliament and not the President alone, and the Secretary We in fact now hear conflicting communication from must have security of tenure of office for IEC to perform the Government. The Minister in the last sitting of this its duties without fear or favour and impartiality. We House said the process of reviewing the Constitution want an electoral body that is politically and financially would start this year, and to be specific, he said in independent to conduct the elections. The Electoral November but the President says next year. Who should Act should be overhauled to provide for electoral we listen to between the President and his Minister? court that deals specifically with electoral disputes. As Mr Speaker, as the Alliance for Progressives, we will preconditions, the President of the country should have take measures to lead a process of an open participatory no role in appointment of the members of the court. This

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will make it easy to resolve electoral complaints before, MR SPEAKER: Order! Honourable Members, it is during and after elections. now 6 o’clock. I shall now call upon the Leader of the House to move a Motion of adjournment. Mr Speaker, the shortcomings of the current Electoral Act are a national security threat, and we must move MOTION with necessary urgency to prevent a calamity from happening. These shortcomings ran from anomalies ADJOURNMENT during registration, inadequate voter education, logistics LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): and training, unfair election campaign rules that leave Thank you Mr Speaker. I move that this House do now much for loopholes, clumsy vote tallying and results, adjourn. management procedures, irregularities on polling day activities, a lag in election dispute resolution and a lack Question put and agreed to. of gender and youth inclusiveness. The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:00 p.m. until Mr Speaker, Batswana want to directly elect their Friday 20th November, 2020 at 9:00 a.m. President. They want to do away with undemocratic autocratic process of automatic succession. They want laws that legislate for political party funding and regulation of foreign funding of political parties. This Government is unwilling to make provisions for these changes.

Mr Speaker, the Botswana Democratic Party continues to abuse state resources for their political party campaigns, spending millions on the President and the Vice President alone, yet failed and refused to legislate for political party funding.

COVID-19 and the church; the AP values the contribution of the church in the lives of our people. We believe that churches are the best providers of psychosocial support. The word of God nourishes the soul and heals troubled souls. To this end therefore, we appeal to Government to open up so that the church starts operating optimally.

Education; the student results in our public institutions continue to dwindle, and this is exacerbated by the Government failure to buy books and other necessities for the learners. Teachers morale is at its lowest, owing to lack of support from the ministry. Learners behaviour is wanting and schools have become risky and dangerous places to work at. The ministry should attend to this problem, which if not checked will have the effect of making schools disastrous places.

I want to take this opportunity to thank all teachers and students in my Constituency of Francistown South for continuing to work hard even under trying circumstances. Students and staff of Goldmine and Montsamaisa Secondary schools, students and staff of Mahube, Phase 4, Phatsimo, Moremogolo and Mokaleng Primary Schools deserve commendation for working hard...

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HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa, Ms M. Madubeko

LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B. B. Khumanego, Mr D. T. Batshegi, Mr K. Rebaisakae

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