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Association of European Senates/Association des Sénats d’Europe 15th Meeting, London/XVème Réunion, Londres Friday 15 June 2013/vendredi 15 juin 2013 The meeting opened at 9.28 am. The Relationship between Upper and Lower Chambers Baroness D’Souza, Lord Speaker of the House of Lords, United Kingdom Good morning, everyone. Thank you all so very much for being on time. In the history of these conferences, we are making history by starting two minutes early. Welcome to Westminster for this 15th meeting of our association. It is a great honour for me to be able to host this year’s meeting. In making arrangements for today, I thought that it was very important that we should meet in the Houses of Parliament and, more particularly, in this beautiful room, the Queen’s Robing Room. Let me take a few minutes to explain the significance of our location. Since the first half of the 16th century, the two Houses of Parliament—the Commons and the Lords—have met here in the Palace of Westminster, which in the times of King Henry VIII had ceased to be a royal residence. What you see now is not the original palace, because in 1834 it was seriously damaged by fire. Our Victorian predecessors were nothing if not ruthless. Much of what remained of the earlier buildings was pulled down and the new Houses of Parliament were erected in the 1840s and 1850s. The architect was Charles Barry and the interior designer was Augustus Pugin, a church architect devoted to the gothic revival style. Almost every detail of what you will see today stems from Pugin’s design. Overseeing interior design and decoration was Prince Albert, who until his death in 1861 chaired the commission set up in 1841 to mastermind the project. Victoria and Albert as portrayed by Winterhalter gaze down on us this morning and their stamp is everywhere on this building—quite literally. 1 The new Palace was our first purpose-built parliamentary building, with Committee rooms, libraries, smoking rooms—things have changed—and other facilities fit for the 19th century. What, you may ask, was the purpose of this room, the Queen’s Robing Room, and the adjoining Royal Gallery? The answer is that their purpose was largely ceremonial and royal. The Queen still uses this room to put on the crown and ceremonial robes at the annual State Opening of Parliament. These rooms remind us that, constitutionally speaking, Parliament consists of the Commons, the Lords and the Sovereign. Occasionally this room is used to receive visiting heads of state into Parliament. Yesterday, for example, Mr Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister of Canada, addressed Members of both Houses here. For a time—between 1941 and 1950—it was transformed into a parliamentary Chamber. The House of Commons Chamber had been completely destroyed by a bomb and the Commons moved into the Lords Chamber. The Lords, then a much smaller body than today, moved into this room, where they stayed for nine years. After the history lesson, let us move to some more practical matters for today’s meeting. For the morning session, I shall call speakers in the debate to speak in alphabetical order, by country, with the exception that Madame Matvienko from Russia will speak third, because she has to leave this morning. I remind you, dear colleagues, that you have eight minutes for your speeches. We will try to keep to time this morning. My colleague here on my left has a bell, which I very much hope that he will not have to use. This afternoon, we shall progress in reverse alphabetical order. A list for this morning’s debate is now available—I think that most of you have it. You can speak in both morning and afternoon debates and, if you have not already done so, please register at the documents table just outside this room. I have arranged the speaking times so that in both debates after the last speaker we shall have some time for impromptu informal discussion. We will adjourn at 12.40 and just before lunch we will have a family photograph of all participants, including staff, on the Sovereign’s 2 Steps, which are the steps that the Queen uses as she comes up to open Parliament—in fact, it will be at the Sovereign’s Entrance. Finally, in the unlikely event of a fire or any other emergency, we will be directed to leave the building by the same route as we entered it. I ask colleagues around the table to speak relatively slowly, to give our interpreters a reasonable chance at translating our words of wisdom. Let us now turn to our first debate of the day. I call Mr Edgar Mayer to speak. Mr Edgar Mayer, Speaker of the Federal Council of the Republic of Austria Thank you, Lord Speaker. I will continue in German, as it is easier for me. (Translation.) Ladies and gentlemen, distinguished colleagues, the annual meeting of the Association of European Senates is taking place today for the first time in the United Kingdom. I thank Baroness D’Souza in particular and our other British colleagues for their efforts in organising this conference. As we enjoy the privilege of meeting in this magnificent room in the Houses of Parliament in Westminster, which is one of the world’s oldest Parliaments, we should recall a statement by the Member of Parliament John Bright, who in 1865 called England the “mother of all Parliaments”. It is true that the English or rather the British Parliament served as a model for all European Parliaments: the origins of the House of Lords go back as far as the 14th century. Since that time, the Second Chambers of our Parliaments have played a central role in checking and balancing the activities of the First Chamber. It is no coincidence that we foreigners use the English term “checks and balances” to describe our function. Our Second Chambers serve to verify the quality of the legislative process and provide a framework for reflection on issues that the First Chamber did not have the time to deal with, thus assuring the quality of the political process as a whole. 3 The three fundamental principles underlying the work of Second Chambers are as essential now as they were at the inception of the bicameral system: first, checking and monitoring the First Chamber; secondly, involving the regions through the strong regional ties of its Members; and, thirdly, participating in European policy- making. I do not need to elaborate on our task of checking and monitoring the First Chamber. The Austrian Federal Council has the right to raise objections to legislative decisions of the National Council, mostly with suspensive effect. However, in certain matters the Federal Council also has an absolute veto right. We can also make legislative proposals to the First Chamber, which then pass through the entire legislative process. As the Austrian Federal Council, we are heavily anchored in our regions. We have direct and strong relations with the federal provinces. We pay a lot of attention to ensuring that local and regional interests are represented at the national level. The regional orientation of the Austrian Federal Council is in no way contradictory to the European idea, but logically derives from it. Through the entry into force of the Treaty of Lisbon, Second Chambers in the EU have been given a new and crucial function in an integrated Europe: we check that draft legislation is in line with the interests of the people—the subsidiarity check. We ensure that EU legislation works in practice. For example, we were the ones who were able to assess whether the draft of a regulation on seeds actually made sense for our people. Also, we were able to ensure that the water proposals worked in practice. In both cases, the Austrian Federal Council expressed a negative opinion on the draft submitted by the European Commission. We gave detailed reasons for our objections to the legislation proposed and outlined why it did not meet the needs of our people. In recent years, the Austrian Federal Council has become the European Chamber of Austrian legislation. The Federal Council has the possibility of outlining a negotiating position and can even propose a voting position to be taken by the Federal Minister 4 in charge or by the Federal Chancellor. Every year, we send more than a dozen position papers to the European Commission. We should ensure that our political work becomes more founded in the grassroots. We need to make sure that our Second Chambers become more Europeanised. Our Chambers are more important than ever, so, ladies and gentlemen, let us reflect on how we can contribute together towards the creation of a legal framework to satisfy the interests of our citizens. We should make sure that European legislation meets the needs of our people and that the regions are better represented. If we, as the Senates and Second Chambers of Europe, succeed in contributing towards the achievement of this goal, we will be filling the tradition of the bicameral parliamentary system, which has its roots here in this building in which we are gathered today. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. The Lord Speaker Thank you very much indeed, Speaker Mayer. I now call Madame Zrihen from Belgium. Ms Olga Zrihen, Senator, Senate of the Kingdom of Belgium Thank you. First, let me give a few words in English. I thank Baroness D’Souza and the House of Lords for the warm welcome that they gave us last night and for the fact that our agenda today is so interesting.