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Parliamentary Debates (Hansard) Wednesday Volume 497 14 October 2009 No. 123 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Wednesday 14 October 2009 £5·00 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2009 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Parliamentary Click-Use Licence, available online through the Office of Public Sector Information website at www.opsi.gov.uk/click-use/ Enquiries to the Office of Public Sector Information, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU; e-mail: [email protected] 277 14 OCTOBER 2009 278 at Kyle of Lochalsh were proposed, there would be an House of Commons open consultation and all interested parties would be involved. I am absolutely certain that the right hon. Wednesday 14 October 2009 Gentleman would be foremost among those interested parties, so I look forward to continuing our conversation. The House met at half-past Eleven o’clock Mr. Ian Davidson (Glasgow, South-West) (Lab/Co-op): Given that these torpedoes are being tested for the Royal Navy, does the Minister agree that if Scotland PRAYERS withdraws from it, there would be no need to have a torpedo testing range in Scotland? [MR.SPEAKER in the Chair] Mr. Murphy: In the world we live in, it is a fact that we need these weapons and that they have to be tested BUSINESS BEFORE QUESTIONS safely. It is in the nature of the modern world that, sadly, we need these sorts of ranges. The fact is that the CITY OF WESTMINSTER BILL [LORDS] only real threat to defence jobs in Scotland would be Motion made, Scotland breaking away from the rest of Britain. That so much of the Lords Message [12 October] as relates to [Interruption.] If Scotland left Britain, thousands of the City of Westminster Bill [Lords] be now considered. British jobs would leave Scotland, including the Western That this House concurs with the Lords in their Resolution.—(The Isles, and that also means shipbuilding jobs on the Second Deputy Chairman of Ways and Means.) Clyde and across the whole of Scotland. That also includes RAF bases—[Interruption.] Hon. Members: Object. Mr. Speaker: Order. The group leader of the Scottish To be considered on Tuesday 20 October. National party must behave with due decorum in the Chamber—certainly if he wishes to be called. Mr. Murphy: Thank you for that intervention, Oral Answers to Questions Mr. Speaker. The leader of the SNP in the UK Parliament must be the only MP in it who is campaigning for fewer jobs in SCOTLAND his constituency. His unilateralist position would lead to the loss of hundreds of RAF jobs in his very own constituency. The Secretary of State was asked— Mr. Angus MacNeil (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP): Torpedo Testing The Secretary of State’s announcement, on behalf of the Ministry of Defence, about the Uists was very 1. Mr. Charles Kennedy (Ross, Skye and Lochaber) welcome. Does he know why, since his visit, there has (LD): When he next plans to visit the torpedo testing been renewed speculation in the press about jobs there? range at the inner sound of Raasay. [292278] Mr. Murphy: I am delighted to hear the hon. Gentleman’s belated interest in this issue. Of course, the initial plans The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. Jim Murphy): have now been abandoned. There is no plan B whatsoever. There are eight test and evaluation ranges in Scotland. Concern has been expressed by some workers, which is Last month, I visited the firing range in the Uists. I have why I am delighted that the management and the unions no current plans to visit the maritime range in the inner are meeting a little later this week. We are very clear that sound of Raasay. the initial proposals were abandoned, that there is no plan B and that the jobs will stay. I repeat that it is very Mr. Kennedy: I thank the Secretary of State for that clear that the only danger to jobs on the firing ranges in reply. He is obviously aware of the concern about the the Uists in the Western Isles will come if the hon. future consultation planned on the maintenance of the Gentleman has his way and Scotland leaves the United Rona torpedo and submarine facilities, which have played Kingdom. such a huge role since the days of the Heath Government in underpinning that part of the Kyle and Applecross Mrs. Anne McGuire (Stirling) (Lab): I congratulate peninsula and Skye economy. Will he give us an assurance the Secretary of State on the work he did to safeguard that what happened in the Western Isles will be repeated the base on the Western Isles. May I ask how important when any consultation process kicks in and that ministerial the strong community and local authority involvement visits, as well as full consultation with all elected levels was in the discussions that he and colleagues in the for these areas, will be the order of the day? Ministry of Defence had? Mr. Murphy: I know that the right hon. Gentleman is Mr. Murphy: I thank my right hon. Friend for her assiduous in raising this issue in the House and elsewhere, comments. It is important to put on record the excellent and I am certain that he will continue to do so. He is work of council leader Angus Campbell and others right to say that a consultation process in the Western such as Donald John Macsween who did such a remarkable Isles led to a rejection of the initial proposals. I can job in the Western Isles. The fact is that it was a reassure him that our proposals for the Kyle of Lochalsh community effort and a persuasive case was made. are at a very early stage. If any changes in the configuration Ultimately, the Ministry of Defence would have made 279 Oral Answers14 OCTOBER 2009 Oral Answers 280 savings, but the costs to the fragile economy in the Miss Anne Begg (Aberdeen, South) (Lab): Given all Western Isles would have been so dramatic that the UK the emphasis on climate change, it is not surprising Government took the view that we should not progress that renewable energy receives a great deal of publicity, with the proposals. but will my right hon. Friend ensure that we do not forget about the oil and gas industry offshore, which Mr. Ben Wallace (Lancaster and Wyre) (Con): Despite will be needed in the short to medium term—if not, the Secretary of State’s comments about the ranges, indeed, the long term—to fill the energy gap that would they need modernising if they are to keep pace with the otherwise exist? It is important not just to the economy next generation of weapons systems, without which our of north-east Scotland but to that of the whole United forces will not get the weapons they need to do the jobs Kingdom, because there are jobs in the industry throughout we send them on. Will the Secretary of State give a the UK. commitment today that his Department and the Ministry of Defence will continue to invest in those ranges while at the same time doing all they can to protect local jobs Mr. Murphy: My hon. Friend raises the importance in that area? Will he also agree with me that— of the North sea oil and gas industry with me probably every week. About 20 billion barrel-of-oil equivalents Mr. Speaker: Order. I apologise for interrupting the are still untapped in the North sea, and we will do what hon. Gentleman, but I must establish the precedent we can to help the industry to exploit that resource. The once and for all that we have one question, and not fact is, however, that while oil and gas will be with us for more than one question. the foreseeable future, we will have to make the transition to renewable energy. Oil and gas are a temporary source Mr. Murphy: On that basis, Mr. Speaker, I shall try to of energy, and Scotland’s energy and economic needs give one answer. are permanent. That is why we must get the balance The hon. Gentleman has made the fair point that right between fossil fuel and renewables, and we will now that the ranges have been established and secured, continue to do so. they must diversify. It is important that they try to attract additional business, particularly from our NATO John Thurso (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) allies. But the economy of the Western Isles, especially (LD): Does the Secretary of State agree that one of the on the Uists, cannot rely solely on MOD ranges in the major opportunities for companies that are currently long term; there must be more diversity, and renewable engaged sub-sea in oil and gas is to work sub-sea on energy opportunities in particular must be taken up. tidal and offshore wind? Does he share my disappointment Oil and Gas Fields that the Crown Estate has yet again delayed its announcement of licences to February, and what can he 2. Sir Robert Smith (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) do to encourage it to be more expeditious? (LD): What recent discussions he has had with the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change on Mr. Murphy: I had the privilege of being in the hon. the effects of investment in offshore oil and gas fields Gentleman’s constituency during the summer recess, on levels of employment in Scotland. [292279] and he made those very points then. On the same day I The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr.
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