Mr. Chetan Parikh and Mr. J.Mulraj of Capital Ideas Online Interviewed Dr Marc Faber
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Mr. Chetan Parikh and Mr. J.Mulraj of Capital Ideas Online interviewed Dr Marc Faber . Dr Marc Faber was born in Zurich and studied Economics at the University of Zurich, obtaining a Ph.D. at the age of 24. Between 1970 and 1978 he worked at White Weld & Co Ltd. For the next twelve years he was the Managing Director of Drexel Burnham Lambert, based in Hong Kong. In 1990 he set up his own firm Marc Faber Ltd., acting as an investment advisor, fund manager and broker/dealer. He is a well known ‘contrarian investor’ and brings out a monthly newsletter called the ‘Gloom, Boom and Doom Report’. His website is at www.gloomboomdoom.com. He is the author of a boom ‘The Great Money Illusion – the Confusion of the Confusions’. He was recently in Mumbai and gave a speech at a function organized by Enam Financial Consultants Ltd. J Mulraj and Chetan Parikh, of www.capitalideasonline.com interviewed Dr Faber in Mumbai. Q: Thank you Dr. Faber for giving us this interview for capitalideasonline. Even prior to Sept. 11th you had a very bearish outlook on the global economy. The Sept. 11th terrorist attacks have certainly impacted globalization in terms of outsourcing, production, just in time inventory management, supply scale economy. How badly is globalization affected in your opinion and how would global economy growth suffer? A: Actually before Sept. 11th I was particularly negative about the U.S. economy and the economies of the Western industrialized nations. I thought that the Asian economies had bottomed out. And I still think that relatively speaking the Asian economies will do better probably in the years to come and that the financial markets in Asia will do better than say in America. But obviously if you have a setback as you have now is the U.S. and because the U. S. is the biggest customer of Asia, then in those sectors of the economy that depend upon exports and related industries in the European centers and manufacturing, you have also then a setback. But of course as you know in Asia maybe 50 percent of the economy is still a rural economy. That shouldn\’t suffer all that badly. I mean that should provide the stability for Asia in the years to come.And www.capitalideasonline.com Page - 1 Mr. Chetan Parikh and Mr. J.Mulraj of Capital Ideas Online interviewed Dr Marc Faber . you still have the potential to have domestic led growth in Asia. That may cushion the downturn in the export industries. So relatively speaking for Asia I am not that negative, but obviously you can’t be considering that the Sept. 11th event was bullish for the world. That for sure not. The question is how negative is it and that we don\’t know for sure simply because we don\’t know how the conflict will eventually be resolved, if it can be resolved. Now about globalization I think we have this move since the end of the Second World War towards increasing world trade and especially in the 1980s and 1990s. We had this buzzword globalization and we had the freeing up of global capital markets and we had the introduction of instant communication and the container did a lot to the world in the sense that it allowed actually world trade to take place because that was the efficient way to transport goods. And then with the cargo planes you had another step forward in globalization because you could ship entire factories from A to B essentially overnight. So the industrialization of a city like a Shanghai was mind-boggling in the last 10 years!You know I have never seen a city develop as much in 10 years time as Shanghai. Unlike Bombay and Delhi. I think you know we have reached a stage – in the 1990s sadly globalization led to even further growing income and wealth disparities in the world, which already were in 1990 larger than at any time in history of mankind and it has widened even further, then you get to a situation where the masses of people that have nothing and the few people and countries that have a lot, that a clash is inevitable — is inevitable. Whereas Sept. 11ths would have occurred or not, sooner or later the cracks begin to appear and I think one important event was already the Durban conference, the anti-globalization protesters which were symptoms of something that wasn\’t doing well. And then I thinkone important event was really this issue of AIDS patents and AIDS drugs where the rich countries simply said we\’d rather let poor people die then give them the medicine. I think this was really an affront against the world you know, an insensitivity incredibly because in the Western countries the poor people they have social security. But if pharma companies had given these drugs to the people of emerging markets they wouldn\’t have lost money. They would still have made money but they wouldn\’t have made as much money as they would have otherwise made.I think that was really very very bad and so the world is now characterized by an atmosphere of tensions and let\’s say a malaise. And I think this was only get worse, specially since even in Europe and around the world in academic circles lots of people really ask themselves “Why do Americans actually bomb Afghanistan? What is there to bomb there in the first place? If they don\’t like Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden, why didn\’t they take Saddam Hussein out already a long time ago when they could have done it and if they don\’t like Osama bin Laden as I perfectly www.capitalideasonline.com Page - 2 Mr. Chetan Parikh and Mr. J.Mulraj of Capital Ideas Online interviewed Dr Marc Faber . understand this is war, why don\’t they go in with 5000 troops and take him out instead of punishing essentially a population which is largely innocent?” Q: Is that the way future wars will be fought? A: Well, I think you know if you study the history of wars and also of other events in history, if you push people to the wall and you have superior weapons then obviously the only way to fight the superior weapons is through guerrilla war, rebellion and terrorism and there is the very fine line between terrorism and freedom fighters — I mean was Mao Tse Tung a terrorist? Yes or Chang Kai Sheikh. Was Ho Chi Minh a terrorist? Yes, for Americans and for the corrupt Southern Vietnamese regime. But he may have been a freedom fighter. Or Che Guevera and Fidel Castro, were they terrorist or guerrilla fighters or freedom fighters or liberators? The Sandinistas in Nicaragua. Samoza was also a dictator. So it\’s a fine line and we don\’t know and its very difficult. The hero of someone is always the enemy of somebody else. I suppose that the Romans considered Jesus Christ also as some kind of a terrorist. He didn\’t kill, but he was morally a terrorist for them. A dangerous individual. Was Spartacus a liberator of the slaves, the slaves’ leader? He was I suppose for the Roman Empire a big threat. So, I mean I — of course I do not support the killing of innocent civilians but strictly speaking if you had the German army in the second world war — a lot of people were in the German army that didn\’t want to join the army, but they were forced to join the army. Well, do you kill them? Yes because they were in uniform, you\’d kill them but you also kill innocent people. So war is a dirty business, but obviously if you go and carpet bomb Cambodia and Vietnam and for the last 10 years Iraq and Serbia, then somewhere, somehow in the world there is one guy who\’s as I am fed up, I don\’t have the money to buy the weapons to fight this, so I will play dirty games. I fight with my hands. That is the only thing which I have. Q: Given the current geopolitical reality would the quest for non-fossil fuel alternatives be speeded up? Driven both the economic inevitability as well as political expediencies. Fossil fuels reserves are running out necessitating a quest for a replacement in any case but will political compulsions spur that quest? A: Ya, sure I understand. I think the world has been very complacent about oil because as you know the oil price went down until 1998 and because of the American presence in Saudi Arabia they thought that the oil supply would always be there and so forth. And I suppose there is still sufficient oil around and the Arabs, they have to sell it because they can\’t live without any oil and we can still find some new oil reserves, but according to the number of studies global oil production will start to decline after say 2006 and in non-OPEC countries it has already started to decline. So, the world for sure will look for alternative sources of energy and those are just historically seen, its not an elegant solution to drill a hole, put the oil in a pipeline and www.capitalideasonline.com Page - 3 Mr. Chetan Parikh and Mr. J.Mulraj of Capital Ideas Online interviewed Dr Marc Faber . then on a tanker and then ship it to your house and burn it and you know, somewhere the world will find that technology that can replace this process.