LOKSABHA DEBATES TENTH SERIES (VOL.I No.5) JULY 15,1991 First session

TENTH LOK SABHA

LOKSABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI CONTENTS

[Tenth Series, Vol. I, First Session, 1991/1913 (Saka)] No. 5, Monday, July 15, 1991/Asadha 24, 1913 (Saka)

COLUMNS ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ; Page Starred Question Nos. 22,23, 26, 27, 30 and 31 1—27 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS : Starred Question Nos. 24, 25, 28, 29, 32, 33, 35 to 40 27—U0 Unstarred Question Nos. 56, 58 to 100, 102 to 125, 127 to 132, 134 and 135. 110—191 MEMBER SW O R N ...... 192—200 PAPERS LAID ON THE T A B L E ...... 200—201 MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 ...... 201—204 (i) Need to provide electronic or automatic exchange at Wani, Maharashtra Shri Uttamrao Deorao P a til ...... 201 (ii) Need to appoint a Vigilance Committee at Division level to supervise the construction work on the spot in tribal areas. Shri Manku Ram S o d i ...... 201 (iii) Need to include the construction of broad gauge railway line from Ahme- dabad to Delhi via Abu Read—Faina-Rani in the next Railway Budget. Shri Guman Mai L o d h a ...... 202 (iv) Need for early conversion of Delhi-Ahmedabau metre gauge line into broad gauge line. Prof. Rasa Singh R a w a t ...... 202 (v) Need to construct a railway overbridge in Saharsj. Shri Surya Narayan Y a d a v ...... 203 (vi) Need to take immediate steps to check erosion caused by river Ganga in Buxar district of Bihar Shri Tej Narayan Singh ...... 203 (vii) Need to send central survey team to assess the damage caused due to recent heavy rains in Bombay. Shri Ram N a i k ...... 204 (viii) Need to take up anti-desertification programmes in Anantapur district, Andhra Pradesh. Shri Gangadhara S a n ip a lli...... 204 MOTION OF CONFIDENCE IN THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS—Adopted 205—312 Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman S a i t ...... 205—209 Shri A. A s o k a r a j ...... 209—211 Shri Saifuddin C h o u d h u ry ...... 211—220 Shri Indrajit G u p t a ...... 220—237 Shri Aijun S m g h ...... 237—243 1—545LSS/91 («>

Page Shri Chitta B a s u ...... 243—251 Shri Venk&teswarlu Ummaroddy ...... 251—255 Shri Nani Bhattacharya ...... 255—260 Shri Suraj M a n d a l ...... 260—263 Dr. Jayanta R o n g p i...... 263—266 Shri Sultan Salahuddin O w a i s i ...... 266—267 Shri Jaswant S i n g h ...... 267—272 Shri Ram Vilas P a s w a n ...... 272—284 Shri Frank A n th on y...... 285 —286 Shri P.V. Narasimha R a o ...... 286—312 LOK SABHA DEBATES

Vol. I [Tenth Series, First Session, 1991/1913 (Saka)] No. 5

LOK SABHA THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARJUN SINGH) : (a) to (c) : A state­ ment is laid, on the table of the Sabha. MondayJuly, 15, 1991/Asadha 24, 1913 {Saka) Statement

The Lok Sabha met ai Eleven of the (a) According to the provisional figures of the 1991 census released by the Regis­ Clock. trar General of India, the illiteracy rate in [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair ] the country is 47.89%. (b) A statement showing the number of ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS illiterates and illiteracy rate in each State [English] | ' J L and Union Territory, according to the provisional figures of 1991 census, is en­ ILLITERACY PERCENTAGE closed at Annexure—1. 22. SHgJ^ARJUN CHARAN SETHI : (c) Universalisation of elementary edu­ Will thnaSISter of HUMAN RESOURCE cation and universal retention in schools of DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : children upto 14 years of age, a programme of non-formal education in the ten educa­ (a) what is the percentage of illiterates tionally backward States and the National in the country as per the 1991 census; Literacy Mission which aims at imparting (b) the break-up of illiteiates, State*wise functional literacy to 80 million adult illi­ and Union Territory-wise; and terates in the 15—35 age-group by 1995 form an integral part of a larger pro­ ( c) the specific steps taken or proposed gramme for eradication of illiteracy in the to be taken to improve the situation ? country.

ANNEXURE—1 STATEMENT SHOWING STATE-WISE NUMBER OF ILLITERATE PERSONS AND PERCENTAGE OF ILLITERATES

SI. No. States/UTs Persons Percentage of illi­ (All age-groups) teracy (Aged 7 yrs. and above)

1 2 3 4 1. Andhra Pradesh # 41464398 54.89 2. Arunachal Pradesh 576245 58.78 12663033 46.58 59484464 61.46 5. Goa 386620 23.04 6. Gujarat 1990865 39.09 7. Haryana 44.67 8 . Himachal Pradesh 36.46 3 Oral Answers JULY 15, 1991 Oral Answers 4

1 2 3 4

9. Jammu & Kashmir Census not held. 10. Karnataka 23743281 44.02 11. Kerala 6353252 9.41 12. Madhya Pradesh. 42643906 56.55 13. Maharashtra . 35905805 36.95 14. Manipur . 931491 39.04 15. • 1071207 51.74 16. Mizoram . 223971 18.77 17. 594525 38.70 18. Orissa 18600165 51.45 19. Punjab . 10237830 42.86 20. Rajasthan . 30262368 61.19 21. Sikkim . , 216833 43.47 22. Tamil Nadu 25254902 36.28 23. 1376260 39.61 24. Uttar Pradesh . 91889322 58.29 25. West Bengal 35263392 42.28 26. A. & N. Islands . .•.. 106740 26.26 27. 211716 21.27 28. D .& N . Haveii . .... 93469 00.55 29. Datnan fc Diu . •39942 26.42 30. Delhi 3420947 23.91 31. Lakshadweep 18119 20.77 32. Pondicherry 279670 25*09 INDIA | 482217615 [47.89

SHRI ARJUN CHARAN SETHI : Mr. in implementing the so-called universal re­ Speaker, Sir, the Hon. Minister has stated tention in schools of children upto 14 years that the illiteracy rate in the country is of age ? I would like to have a specific 47.89 per cent according to the provisional reply on this. figures of the 1991 census. Our total population, I think, is over 84 crores. Here SHRI ARJUN SINGH : So far as the they have mentioned that the number of first question of the figures is concerned, I illiterate persons is 482217615. I think, the would like to draw the attention of the percentage of illiteracy, which is given here, hon. Member that the percentage has been is erroneous and it is not correct. I would calculated after excluding the population like to have a clarification on this. upto six years of age. So far as the second question is concerned, I think, the hon. The hon. Minister in his reply has men­ Member and the House are aware of tioned about universalisation of elementary various reasons that go into the number of education and universal retention in schools drop-outs and other problems that &&te be­ of children upto 14 years. This problem cause of which the students do not remain has not arisen just now and it has been on the rolls upto the age group of 14 years. there since our Constitution was adopted I think, all the steps that are being taken and implemented in the country. May I in that regard will cumulatively have the know from the hon. Minister the specific effect because, as is evident, the perc 6htage steps taken and also the amount involved of illiterates has certainly goUe down 5 Ond Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6 though not to a great extent, In the 1991 SHRI ARJUN SINGH : Special drives census. I am suie, with all the steps that have been initiated in the States where the have been mentioned and with more vigo­ percentage of literacy is low. In the course rous implementation we shall be able to of the session when the budgetary demands achieve the target come up I will give further details as to what is being sought to be done and I will SHRI ARJUN CHARAN SETHI : The seek the cooperation of the House also. hem. Minster mentioned about the children excluding 6 years of age. But here they [Translation] have not included the illiterates that are SHRI SATYA N ^pavaisi jla tiv a , ; living in Jammu & Kashmir because census has not been held there. If we add this Honourable Speaker, Sir, the hon. Minister has just said in his reply that universalisa- figure, then certainly the percentage of illiteracy will increase. The Minister re­ tion of elementary education and retention ferred to the problem of dropout. This in schools of children upto 14 years of age, a programme of non-formal education in is not something which has happened suddenly. This has been the problem since the ten educationally backward States etc. form an integral part of a programme for long. When 65 per cent drop-out is there, in most of the junior schools specially ele­ eradication of illiteracy in the country. May I know the names of these ten states and mentary schools there are only one or two the achievements made so far under non- teachers for five classes. We know that education is a State Subject and the Centre formal education programme and National Literacy Mission in these states. has no control over it. However, I ask the hon. Minister whether he will impress upon [English] the State Governments to see that at least (me teacher is appointed for each class so SHRI ARJUN SINGH : Sir, for a detail­ that dropouts are minimised and adequate ed answer to this, I will need some notice. care is taken to see that people are educated But I can say that the Marked Literacy property. Campaign has caught on and there are very very few States where this thing is not get­ SHRI ARJUN SINGH : The hon. Mem­ ting the support that it should. ber himself is aware of the real limitations in this matter. There is no hesitation on [Translation] my part to impress upon the State Govern­ ments ^the nped to fulfil this requirement. "SHRT K AMI A ----- MTSWB A" ■MADffIT KAR : Mr. Speaker, Kerala has done an DRrkijCTIKESWAR PATRA : Does exemplary job in eradication of illiteracy. the Government propose to take a special Does the Government propose to take some drive on literacy in 9 States and Union advantage of this experience by applying territories where the percentage of literacy the same methods in the entire country ? is below 50 per cent. As per the census Has he given any assistance to the volun­ report it is evident that the percentage of tary organisations engaged in this field; if literacy among female is very poor in com­ so, the outcome thereof ? parison to that of male. In 14 States the percentage of female literacy is above 50 SHRI ARJUN SINGH : Mr. Speaker, and in 17 States, the percentage of literacy Sir, as far as the contribution of voluntary is below 50. organisations is concerned, there can’t be any doubt about the fact that these organi­ MR. SPEAKER • You do not have to sations have made and can make signifi­ give the information. You have to ask the cant contribution in illiteracy eradication question. programme. The department will surely DR. KARTIKESWAR PATRA : What do whatever is possible in this direction. are the reasons that after 45 years of in­ Efforts have been made to overcome the dependence we could not achieve the target difficulties being faced in this regard. of literacy in the country ? Is any special drive proposed to be taken up by the ppop tA sa stnCtHBAWAT : Sir, the Government to actaeve literacy target in a statement laid on the Table of the House specific period f just now by the hon. Minister shows the 7 Oral Answers JULY 15, 1991 Oral Answers g

illiteracy percentage in Kerala as 9%, THE MINISTER Of* HUMAN RE- whereas some days back it appeared in the SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI press that Kerala is the first Sate in the ARJUN SINGH) : (a) and (b) : The country which has achieved 100 per cent National Policy on Education 1986 was literacy. Why such a discrepancy in the formulated on the basis of a national eon reply ? It is beyond my comprehension. sensus and it contains the framework for Will the Minister be pleased to correct his development of all aspects of education. reply ? The Policy, inter alia, envisages that the implementation of its various parameters SHRI ARJUN SINGH : Sir, I will get will be reviewed every five years. As part it corrected according to the latest position, of the review, the recommendations made but these figures are based on the census. by the NPE Review Committee will be [English] ^ ^ taken into account. SHRI MUKI JL riALKRISHNA WAS- SHRI LOKANATH CHOUDHARY : NIK : Mr. Speaker, Sir, may I know from Sir, at the outset, I want to say that it is the hon. Minister whether it is a fact that said that it was a national consensus. It the Integrated Child Development Scheme was never a national consensus because has a very close link with the attendance three States have not implemented this of the school-going children at the pri­ scheme. I want to know whether the mary level and it will have a close link Government is aware of those: Even by with the attendance of the school going the teachers community it was considered children. May I know' whether this Inte­ that the 1986 Education Policy was an eli­ grated Child Development Scheme which tist education policy. The Education is implemented at a very limited level in Policy was really declared before a the country, will be implemented in each national consensus was achieved. and every Block of the country, specially So, in view of the fact that education in those Blocks where the attendance at the being a very basic question, will the Gov­ primary level is going down ? ernment take all the objections that were SHRI ARJUN SINGH : Sir, it goes with­ then raised against this policy into consi­ out saying that the success of the literacy deration to come to a real national con­ campaign does not depend on only one sensus ? ' line erf action taken by any single depart­ SHRI ARJUN SINGH : Sir, the. policy ment or any single programme. The total being as far reaching and wide ranging literacy campaign has to have components the Educational Policy, it is not possible from all those areas which go, directly or to say that every one agrees with it. But indirectly, into helping the children to at­ this much is correct that all the forums tend school and maintaining their situation. that are concerned with the formulation The scheme mentioned by the hon. Mem­ of the policy discuss the policy, comments ber definitely has a bearing. But I can of the State Governments are taken and not say just now' how it will be related to then the policy decision is taken. That is each and every area in the campaign for how yon amve at a policy decision. this programme. ^ SHRIMATt MALINI BHATTACHAR- EDUCATION POLICY YA ^PThe West Bengal Mate Government *23. SHRI T ,AK had objected to it. Will the Minister of HUMAN SHRI LOKANATH CHOUDHARY : RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT be pleas­ Tamil Nadu and Assam also. ed to state : (a) whether the Government propose SHRI ARJUN SINGH : May be on to make any changes in the present Edu­ some aspects they don’t agree. ( Interrup­ cation Policy in the light of the report of tions) . Parliament approved * of it. So National Policy on Education Review after Parliament has approved, I think it Committee; and should be taken as approved by consen­ sus. That is what I can say. So, I am (b) if «o, the details thereof ? not putting one State against the other. 9 Oral Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Oral Answers 10

But the fact remains that Parliament ap­ national consensus. Does the Hon. Minis­ proved that policy. ter agree with the recommendation of Kothari Commission about the primary Now, to the specific question that has education wherein it has been stated that been raised, I would say that any specific all children, irrespective of being the son suggestion made for improving the policy or daughter of the President, Prime is most welcome and will be consider­ Minister, influential persons or an ordinary ed. peasant, should study in the same school, SHRI LOKANATH CHOUDHARY : i.e. the neighbourhood school? It had been The Committee that was appointed by agreed unanimously in 1986 and Rama- the previous N. F. Government under the murthy Committee has also agreed with Chairmanship of Acharya Ramamurti had it. But it was opposed throughout the recommended many things. My question country. Neighbourhood Schools have is : not yet been set up. In the present set­ up of the primary education of the coun­ Which part of the Committee’s recom­ try the children of the rich and influen­ mendations the Government accepted? The tial people study in Public Schools and Government has not given any concrete the children of peasants, labourers and answer to that. So, I want to know again MPs study in Corporation and village paur which aspects of Ramamurti Committee’s chayat schools. Such a dichotomy creates recommendations the Government is tak­ a discrimination between the rich and the ing into consideration ? poor people. SHRI ARJUN SINGH : Sir, on this I would like to impress upon the hon. issue, I have, with your permission, to say Minister that Kothari Commission, in the something which I may be permitted to light of provisions of the Constitution, say. The recommendations of this Rama­ has recommended that medium of instruc­ murti Committee were received in De­ tion for primary education should be cember 1990. After that, in March 1991 mother-tongue and there should be uni­ the CABE decides to appoint a sub-com- form primary education throughout the mittee on the review of NPE. After that, country. For the last so many years we now we have decided to appoint that sub­ have been listening that a revolution will be committee. It will go into the recommen­ brought about in the education policy in dations of the Ramamurti Committee and the country in the sense that the Public determine what are the aspects that should Schools, where children of rich people are be taken into account. But in the mean studying and where education is imparted time I would like to inform the House through english medium would be closed that keeping in view the statements in the down, but practically there is reversal of Congress (I) Election Manifesto and the the same. Therefore, Mr. Speaker, I relevant paragraph in the President’s Ad­ would like to know from the hon. Minis­ dress to both the Houses of Parliament on ter as to what steps have been taken to 10th July 1991, it is stated that it is pro­ implement the recommendations of Ko­ posed to set up a CABE Committee to thari Commission on primary education undertake review of the implementation on which there is a consensus in parlia­ of the various parameters of the new ment? policy as envisaged in para 11.5 of NPE taking into account the recommendations SHRI ARJUN SINGH : Mr. Speaker, of Ramamurti Committee and other rele­ Sir, there should be no misunderstanding vant developments since the policy was in this respect because this subject has formulated. It may be stated, however, not been neglected at all in the education that no fundamental change will be made policy of 1986. The point to which the in the policy and its implementation will hon. Member is referring was also covered resume new platform. in that policy statement. (Translation) 1 0 (Interruptions) s t o i r a b i RAY : Hon. Minister has SHRI RABI RAY : I am also saying accepted on the floor of the House that that there was consensus on it, but the National Education Policy is based on the position is quite contrary to it. 11 Oral Answers JULY 15, 1991 Ond Answers 12

SHRI ARJUN SINGH : I do not think who are unable to go Ur schools as sug. tibat the position is quite opposite but there gested by the Ramamurthy Committee. may be need to accelerate the pace of progress in this direction. SHRI ARJUN SINGH: About the Ramamurthy Committee report, I would (English) , not like to say anything now because the S M I M. R. J AN ARTH ANAEL: Mr. report is going to be under review and Spiaker, Sir, it has been Sated in the when a decision is taken up, I would say about it. President’s Address that there is a need to improve the quality of education. At present there is a gap between the ‘world So far as the need t o universalisation of work* and the ‘world of learning’. So, I of education is concerned, I do not think would like to know from the hon. Minis­ it needs to be emphasised because that is ter as to what are the changes in the New one of the thrust areas and I am sure, we Education Policy so that this gap between will try to move very fast in that direc­ "world of work’ and ‘world of learning’ tion. can be minimised. [Translation] », SHRI ARJUN SINGH: Sir, I would f U - certainly thank the hon. Member for SHRI HARISINH CHAVDA: Mr. drawing attention to the President’s Ad­ Speaker. Sir, even after so~many years of dress and when the Address is debated I independence millions of children are illi­ am sure this matter will also be referred terate in our country. I would like to to m detail. But so far as the general know the number of States where provi­ question of improvement of education is sion for compulsory education has been concerned, I think their parameters are made ? fairly well known. All I can say is that ftiis will have to be an all round effort so (English) that any discrepancy or discrimination that have developed in the course of SHRI ARJUN SINGH: I will require years will be removed and in their remo­ notice to answer this. val I think all of us will have to give our [Translation] hands. SHRIMATI MALINI BHATTA­ SHRI NARAIN SINGH CHAUDHRI: CHARYA: Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Minister Mr. Speaker, Sir, Navodaya Vidya&ayas has referred to the Congress (I) Election have been opened under the new educa­ manifesto and also to the President’s Ad- tion policy and the children studying in ress- In neither of these documents nor these schools are givon some financial in the letter recently circulated among the concessions also. Does govenusient, pro­ MPs by the hon. Minister do we find any pose to provide for reservation for the mention of any commitment to free and children belonging to economically weaker compulsory school education for all our sections, backward classes of rural aceas, children. I would like to point out that it harijans and adivasis in the Navodaya is precisely because we have not been able Vidyalayas. to make the education free and compul­ SHRI ARJUN SINGH: Mr. Speaker, sory for our children, about 50 per cent Sir, under the existing provisions, oppor­ of them are unable to go to schools. tunity of admission to Navodaya Vidya- About 40 to 45 per cent of these children layas is available to one and all. The live under very severe economic cons­ Rama Murthy Committee has made some traints and this is why they are unable to recommendations in this regard and we eo to schools at all. will welcome any other suggestions that Now T would like to ask the Minister are made. 1 cannot say about any parti­ as to whether it is also part of the commit­ cular recommendation, but on the whole, ment of this Government to institute free all the reoomraeadations or suggestions and compulsory education, universal edu­ will be dwiy considered and accepted, if cation and to open up schools few children considered appropriate. 13 Oral Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Oral Answers l*f

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN; Mr. if so, extent of such increase, statewise. Speaker, Sir, there should be a uniform But this has not been replied. As has just pattern of education in the country and been said by Shri Rabi Ray the object be­ lessons on secularism, patriotism and hind opening Navodaya Vidyalaya, as per social justice should be included in the the recommendations of Kothari Commis­ course of study. Today, alongwith pat­ sion, was to provide maximum facilities riotism, secularism is also important. But of education to the people of rural areas. we cannot expect our children to become I would like to know from the hon. secular on growing up if we teach them Minister the time by which Navodaya that people belonging to a particular reli­ Vidyalayas will be set up in each and gion are foreigners or such and such every district in the country ? people are foreigners. Does the Govern­ SHRI ARJUN SINGH: Mr. Speaker, ment propose to delete such portions Sir, I do not want to restrict myself to from the books which are non-secular and the scope of the question only. In fact, also issue* necessary guidelines to States in had the process continued uninterrupted, this regard as some initial steps had been we might have reached nearer to the tar­ taken during our Government so as to en­ get of establishing Navodaya Vidyalayas sure that education, which is non-secular in each and every district of the country. and gives impetus to communal forces, is It is a different issue and is not linked not imparted to children. with the original question. I cannot give SHRI ARJUN SINGH : I fully agree any definite date, but it will be our sincere with the views of the hon. Member. I effort. So far 275 schools have been cannot say that I can order deletion of opened in the country. It will be the en­ all such portions from each and every text­ deavour of the Government, to achieve book, but I do feel that such text-books the target by opening Navodaya Vidya­ should be produced which highlight our layas in all the 750 districts of the coun­ cultural integrity and diversity and shun try. disintegration and confrontation. SHRI SURYA NARAYAN YADAV : PROPOSAL TO INCREASE NAVO- Mr, Speaker, Sir, Bihar is the most back­ DAYA VIDYALAYAS ward State in the country and the Saharsa *26. SHRI SURYA NARAYAN Commissionary has been declared indus­ YADAV: Will the Minister of HUMAN trially and educationally backward by the RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT. be Central Government. Despite its being a pleased to state: division, no Navodaya Vidyalaya has (a) whether the Government propose been opened there. I would like to know to increase the number of Navodaya whether the Government proposes to set Vidyalayas: and up a Navodaya Vidyalaya in Saharsa dur­ ing the current financial year. (b) if so, the extent of such increase, en­ visaged, State-wise? SHRI ARJUN SINGH: Mr. Speaker, Sir, as per the information available with [English] me. Navodaya Vidyalayas have been THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ opened in 25 out of the 39 districts In SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI Bihar. As regards the question of the ARJUN SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. hon. Member, as to why a Navodaya (b) The Scheme of Navodaya Vidyalaya Vidvalaya could not be set up there. I envisages establishment of a Navodaya can furnish the details after collecting the Vidyalaya in each district, required information. [Translation] SHRI SURYA NARAYAN YADAV • SHRI SURYA NARAYAN YADAV : T am eivine the information. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have asked a very SHRI ARTUN SINGH: T am not con­ simple question from the hon. Minister of tradicting the information provided bv Human Resource Development; whether the hon. Member, but let me also ascer­ government proposes to increase the num­ tain the views of the Government of ber at envisaged, Navodaya Vidyalayas and Bihar in the matter. 15 Oral AnsH’ers JULY 15, 1991 Oral Answers lg

SHRI SURYA NARAYAN YADAV : But the condition of schools is very dep­ Will the school be set up there after the lorable. Some schools do not have their completion of enquiry. ? own building and in some schools there are no teachers. I would like to request SHRI ARJUN SINGH: Yes, why the hon. Minister to examine the func­ not. tioning of these schools and take steps to improve the condition of the schools al­ [English] ready functioning. Will the hon. Minister SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJESWARI : please look into the matter? I would like to know whether it has come to the notice of the Government that ad­ SHRI ARJUN SINGH: Mr. Speaker, missions to Navodaya Schools are very Sir, there can be no two opinions in this much restricted to boys or girls coming regard and it will definitely be done. from rural areas, which would cause lot of DR. LAXMI NARAYAN PANDEYA : inconvenience to the children coming from Mr. Speaker, Sir, through you, I would small towns and municipalities w'ith a like to point out to the hon. Minister that population of below 25,000. If so, will in view of the standard of education im­ the Government think of revising the parted in Navodaya Vidyalayas, more and policy and see that children who are more people, especially the people of studying in the small cities and municipali­ rural areas, where the standard of educa­ ties with a population below 25,000 will tion in the schools is not up to the mark, also get admission in the Navodaya are interested in admitting their child­ Schools ? ren in these schools. In view of the SHRI ARJUN SINGH: Basically, the above, I would like to know whether the schools are being opened in the rural areas Government proposes to increase the and I would not like to say something number of Navodaya Vidyalayas and which may interfere with the total con­ also to increase the strength of students cept. The Member has made a sugges­ in the schools, already functioning. tion. I wall see what can be done in the SHRI ARJUN SINGH: Mr. Speaker, matter. Sir, I will definitely see what could be SHRI RAM NAIK: The last Janata done within the present financial cons­ Dal Government had informed this traints. Houes that they would not open new SHRI TEJSINGHRAO BHONSLE : Navodaya Vidyalayas until the function­ Mr. Speaker, Sir, there are 30 districts in ing of the Vidyalayas which have been Maharashtra. I would like to know already established is assessed fully. Has whether Navodaya Vidyalayas have been this Government decided to change the opened in all the districts. policy ? SHRI ARJUN SINGH: As per infor­ SHRI ARJUN SINGH: The policy to mation available with me, these schools open Navodaya Vidyalayas is very much have been opened only in 19 districts of part of the 1986 policy. We have re­ the State. iterated that this would continue. That would continue and that would not be dis­ ECOLOGICAL TASK FORCE IN turbed. So far as improvement in the HIMACHAL PRADESH system is concerned, hon. Members are *27. PROF. PREM DHUMAL : Will most welcome to make any suggestions the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND and I will try to see that they are acted FORESTS be pleased to state: upon within framework of the policy plreadv accepted. (a) whether the Union Government have received any proposal or request [Translation^ from the State Government of Himachal SHRI RAMESH CHENNTTHALA : Pradesh for setting up an Ecological Task Mr. Speaker, Sir, the hon. Minister has Force comprising of Ex-servicemen; and stated that 275 schools have been opened. (b) if so, the action taken thereon? 17 Oral A tu m tz ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18

[English] SHRI KAMAL NATH : Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is true that this scheme was launch­ THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ed in Jammu and Kashmir in 1988. But MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND it was only due to the special circum­ FORESTS (SIIRI KAMAL NATH): (a) stances prevailing in that valley. Now Yes, Sir. Himachal Pradesh will positively be cover­ ed in the Eighth Plan on priority basis (b) Action could not be taken on this and efforts will be made to allocate ade­ project in the context of overall avail­ quate funds for the purpose. ability of funds. SHRI KRISHAN DUTT SULTAN- [Translation] PURI: Mr. Speaker, Sir, Himachal Pra­ desh Government launched ‘Van Lagao, PROF. PREM DHUMAL: Mr. Rozi Kamao’ scheme. RSS and BJP are Speaker, Sir, in his reply the hon. Minis­ trying to engage their own men in this ter has stated that action could not be scheme. The State Government has been iaken on this project in the context of committing bunglings in regard to forest overall availability of funds. Through wealth .... (Interruptions) I would like you, I would like to know from the hon. to know from the hon. Minister whether Minister the names of three States where any enquiry will be conducted into it. the provision for setting up an Ecological Task Force was made in 1983 when ori­ SHRI KAMAL NATH: ‘Van Lagao, ginally this proposal was made by several Rozi Kamao’ project was submitted to the Saates. Is it a fact that in two out of centre for approval only a few months these three States, Ecological Task Force back, and it was not approved. Now a has already been set up and that only revised scheme has been proposed, which Himachal Pradesh is left without it? I referred to in my speeches during the last ten days; and also discussed the SHRI KAMAL NATH: Mr. Speaker, various features of the revised version Sir, it is true that task force was proposed with the Forest Minister and the Chief to be set up in Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan Minister of the State and also with the and Himachal Pradesh. But due to the other officials. Through you, T would like non-availability of funds it could not be to assure my friend that BJP would not set up in Himachal Pradesh. set an opportunity to provide berth to RSS or their party workers. (Interruptions). SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: If it was not set up by the previous Govern­ SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : ment, let it be set up now. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I seek your protection. Please make it clear to the hon. Minister SHRI KAMAL NATH: It was your that he is not speaking in the meeting of Government. The Government of Hima­ AICC. he is giving a reply in Parliament chal Pradesh did what they could. But as a Minister. Just now he has been ex­ as the funds were not allocated for this posed in replying to two supplementary purpose in the Budget, the proposal could questions. It has been stated that task not materialize. force was assured to be set up in three States. However two States were covered PROF. PREM DHUMAL: Mr. in the project and Himachal Pradesh w?s Speaker, Sir. I would like to know from left. At the same time the same project the hon. Minister whether it was true was implemented in Jammu and Kashmir that without obtaining the approval of the even without the approval of the Cabinet. Cabinet, an Ecological Task Force was set It is evidence that since the previous up in Jammu and Kashmir in 1988 and Government did not accomplish the task, Htmachal Pradesh was again neglected. the present Government is also reluctant Will the Government provide funds for to do it. I would like to know the it? The whole of the world is trying to amount allocated for this purpose to save the environment from pollution and Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan and Jammu & foreign aid can be obtained for this pur­ Kashmir and the amount provided to pose. launch the scheme in J&K due to which, 19 Oral Answers JULY 15, 1991 Owl Answers 20 you have excluded Himachal Pradesh State has fulfilled their promise of grow­ from having the Task Force. When did ing nurseries. There is a scheme costing you receive the first proposal and when Rs. 416 lakhs to be implemented in did the other one? Kangra district. Therefore, priority will be given to Kangra district SHRI KAMAL NATH: When the scheme was approved, the plan allocation [English] was Rs. 750 lakh. It was meant to be in­ vested in Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan and DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS Himachal Pradesh. But the whole amount *30. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: of allocation had been utilized in Uttar Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT Pradesh and Rajasthan from 1983 to 1988. AND FORESTS be pleased to state: (a) whether the process of a large SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : number of developmental projects is hold During that period your Government was up due to delayed forests clearance* by in power in all these three States. the Union Government; and SHRI KAMAL NATH: Are you ask­ ing me or do you want to reply your­ (b) the number of proposals received self. In 1988, due to the special circum­ from the States for such clearance till stances prevailing in Jammu and Kashmir 15th June 1991 and the action taken there­ Rs. 33 lakh only were to be paid by the on ? State while fifty-two lakh rupees were to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE be paid by the centre. For Jammu and MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Kashmir it was a very nominal amount FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH): (a) because it was a small scheme. I have No, Sir. already stated in my reply that I assure that the priority will be given to Hima­ (b) A statement is laid on the Table of chal Pradesh in the Eighth Plan as the the House.

STATEMENT Status of receipt and disposal of proposals received from the States/UT Governments seeking forestry clearance for various development projects is as under

(i) Proposals received...... 4482 00 Proposals a p p r o v e d ...... 2291 (iii) Proposals rejected on m e r i t ...... 655 (iv) Proposals rejected for non-furnishing of essential details by the States/UTs. 1213 (v) Proposals withdrawn by respective States/UTs...... 110 (vi) Proposals pending in the M in istry ...... 213

SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI : So, I would like to know from the hon. Mr. Speaker, Sir, although the Minister Minister as to whether there is any dead* has replied to my question in the nega­ line fixed or there is any tune-schedule tive and said that the progress of a large for the clearance of such projects which number of developmental projects is not are received from the States. If so, what held up due to delayed forest clearance, is the time-schedule? Out of the total it is our common knowledge that in res­ number of 213 proposals which are stated pect of a large number of developmental to be pending in the Ministry as on 15th projects in the States, the progress of the June, which is th$ pldest case; how many work is held up due to delay in clearance cases are pending for more than three by the (jbvernment of India. years; and how many cases are peeing 21 Oral Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22 for more than onie yfefcr? Let the Minis- with them by sitting across the table and ter enlighten the House on this aspect. finalise the things. Whatever might be the reply—the Minister is here—the prog­ SHRI KAMAL NATH : Sir, first I ress is held up in the field to set up seve­ would like to allay the fear that there is ral developmental projects. delay in forest clearance. The delay arises because of non-supply of proper in­ SHRI KAMAL NATH : Sir, I share formation. There is a proper procedure his concern with regard to the delay. As laid out for the information which is re­ I said, there has been a major problem, in quired. Since this information does not getting proper information in the first ins­ come, as my statement says, there are tance. I am in regular touch with the very large number of cases which have Chief Minister and I am in the process of been returned. This is because of non­ starting a dialogue with more State Chief availability of proper information. Those Ministers requesting them that all propo­ cases, where there is no proper informa­ sals. which are sent to the Ministry, shoud tion available, cannot possibly be proces­ be supplied with all information, all the sed. guidelines which have been laid down, so that the Ministry can look at it. There are only two cases which are pending for more than six months; there I completely share his concern because are 53 cases which are pending for three development projects are held up. There to six months; there are 50 cases which are many cases where the hon Member are pending for two to three months; may think that this delay is at the Centre there are 33 cases which are pending for but it has not moved from the State Gov­ one to two mctaths; and there are 75 ernment to the Central Government itself. cases which are pending for less than one There are many such cases which are lying month. There are cases for which proper with the State Forest Department and have information is available. not arrived in Delhi. So, one has also to distinguish what is pending between the Out of two cases which are pending for Forest Department in the State capital and over six months, one relates to the diver­ the Ministry at Delhi. sion of 177.47 hectare of forest land in Kumool District; and the other relates to SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI : the erection of Lower Sillem to Bom- How many cases have been appealed merru 220 KV Transmission Line using against ? They have rejected a large num­ 100.26 hectare of forest land. ber of cases. About 1213 cases have been rejected because of non-furnishing of in- SHRI SRXBALLAV PANIGRAHL : formation. It is a serious matter. Sir, out of the total 4482 proposals re­ ceived, as many as 1213—more than 25 per Against this decision of Government of cent cases proposals are rejected for non­ India, how many appeals have come from furnishing of essential details. Sir, this is the concerned State Governments? What a serious matter. From our experience we is the attitude of Government of India to­ know that it is very difficult to comply wards those cases? with the procedure, with the information or material that is sought from the State SHRI KAMAL NATH : There is no within the time-frame. So, some States question of appeal because they have been find it difficult to comply With this. It is rejected for non-furnishing of information. not possible also. So, the relationship bet­ As soon as we have the information, we ween this Ministry and the States is getting will look at it. They are not being re­ strained in respect of many cases. jected per se. Therefore what special steps the Govern­ SHRI RAM KAPSE : In the Vidharba ment of India and the Ministry are taking rgion of Maharashtra, there are two or to improve the situation? I would like to three districts where the problem of Jhudpi know as to whether they are thinking in jungle has come up. It was a policy de­ terms of sending teams from Centre to cision. When Shri Bhajan Lai was the different State Headquarters to discuss Minister, he had favourably decided. 23 Oral An&vers JULY 15, 1991 Oral Answers 24

He cleared the position about the SHRI KAMAL NATH : He has referr­ Jhudpi jungle. But after Shri Bhajan Lai, ed to a very specific project. Several cases it was reversed. What is the attitude of are pending. I am not aware of this par­ the new Government about the Jhudpi ticular case. ‘But I shall give him the in­ jungle? formation. SHRI KAMAL NATH : 1 am not aware SAFETY MEASURES IN HAZARDOUS of the details he is asking. But I shall PLANTS furnish them later. *31. PROF. K. V. THOMAS : Will the Translation Minister of LABOUR be pleased to state: SHRI DATTA MEG HA : Mr. Speaker, (a) the steps taken by the Government Sir, the problem of Jhudpi jungle prevails for the strict implementation of safety in some districts of Vidharba region. The measures for workers in chemical plants, Government of Madhya Pradesh lent no mines and other hazardous plants; and ears to what the Central Government pro­ posed. Development proposals of others (b) the details of the system adopted to were cleared but this was not cleared. You monitor the safety measures in major pub­ know it well that this problem persists in lic and private sectors ? several districts near Nagpur in Maharash­ tra. The matter was discussed time and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE again; decisions were also taken but not MINISTRY OF LABOUR (SHRI K. implemented. Will the Government clear RAMAMURTHY) ; (a) and (b) : A the proposal within one or one and a half statement is laid on the Table of the House. months to solve the problem of Jhudpi jungle in Vidharba region Statement [English] The safety measures for workers in chemical plants and other hazardous plants SHRI KAMAL NATH : As I said, (except mines) are covered under the about Jhudpi jungle, I do not have the Factories Act (as amended in 1987) and information. But I would like to assure the rules made thereunder. This Act is the Member that between Maharashtra enforced by the State Governments through and Madhya Pradesh, especially his re­ the Chief Inspectors of Factories. The gion, I would not have any disparity. compliance with the safety measures laid down under this statute and the rules made SHRI UMMAREDDY VENKATES- thereunder is monitored through :— WARLU .* One project that the hon. Minister has referred to in his reply is (i) periodical inspections carried out the Telugu Ganga project. It is pending by the Inspectors; with the Union Government for its clea­ (ii) scrutiny of applications received rance. To my knowledge, all the informa­ from the management for licens­ tion has been supplied by the Andhra Pra­ ing, approval and registration of desh Government. It is pending with the factories and for their periodical Union Government for its clearance for renewal; more than six months. (iii) scrutiny of documents such as on­ I would like to know from the hon. site emergency plans and other in­ Minister what exactly is the reason? Why formation etc., which are required is it still pending even if it is more than to be submitted by the manage­ six months? ment to the Chief Inspector; MR. SPEAKER : The question has al­ (iv) investigation of complaints or re­ ready been answered in detail. presentations received from workers; and SHRI UMMAREDDY VENKATES- WARLU : No, Sir. About the Telugu (v) investigation of serious/fatal acci­ Ganga, it has not been answered. dents. 25 Oral Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26

2. The provisions for safety of workers where the State Governments are involved, employed in mines are contained in the the Director General who sits in Bombay Mines Act, 1952 and the rules and regula­ reviews the cases from time to time. We tions made thereunder. The Mines Act also suggest modification and amendment places responsibilities on the owner, the of certain rules of the Factories Act, taking agent and the manager of mine and the into account the new working conditions of supervisory officials concerned to provide the plants. The Government of India is for and ensure implementation of the also taking the recommendations of the safety measures. Officers of the Directo­ International Labour Organisation into rate General of Mines Safety, inspect mines account and we are instructing the concern­ periodically in order to check compliance ed State Governments over these aspects of the statutory provisions. Besides, Work­ from time to time. I am one to agree with men’s inspectors, safety committees, safety the hon. member that there cannot be any officers and other officers of internal safety compromise on the question of safety organisations and the Conference on safety measures. in mines etc., are some of the other instru­ ments which contribute towards monitoring PROF. K. V. THOMAS : The hon. and implementation of safety measures in Minister himself is a veteran trade union mines. leader. When a similar question is put be­ fore the State Government, he knows what 3. The safety provisions are applicable their answer is. The State Governments to all factories and mines as defined in the say that major chemical industries are with relevant statute irrespective of the fact the Central Government and public sector whether they are in the public sector or in and that they are helpless in these matters. the private sector. Now the same question is putt to the Cent­ ral Government and the Central Govern­ PROF. K. V. THOMAS : A large ment is puting the burden on the State number of workers are working in chemical Government I have a humble request to plants, especially those plants where radio­ make. I want to ask the hon. Minister in active materials are handled. They are respect of these workers whether they be suffering from skin diseases, lung diseases in the private sector or public sector or and there are a number of cases of cancer. under the State Government or the Central So far no effective monitoring measures Government, their safety problems should are taken to look into these cases. So, may be looked into .... 1 request the hon. Minister to see that effec­ tive measures would be taken so that the MR. SPEAKER ; Please put the safety of the workers in the chemical plants Question. is ensured ? PROF. K. V. THOMAS : I am coming SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : Mr. to it Sir. I am explaining from the practi­ Speaker Sir, the hon. member has asked a cal point of view. When we go to the State question about the safety aspect and moni­ Government, they wash off their hands. toring of safety measures in the chemical When we approach the Central Government plants and other hazardous plants. I would they also wash their hands off. Even hon. like to inform the hon. member through Minister also does the same. I would like you that most of the measures for the to know whether the hon. Miniser will take safety of workers who work in the hazar­ some personal interest in the matter so dous chemical plants are covered under the that with regard to safety measures in the Factories Act, which is solely administered public sector and also in the private sector, by the State Governments. It is not tinder we will have a coordinating and monitoring the purview of the Central Government. machinery under the Government of India. My Ministry is in charge of mines only. However, we cannot shut our eyes. Wher­ SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : I assure ever there is lade of safety measures, the hon. member that we will never wash whether it be factories or chemical plants our hands off. As far as safety measures or any other place, we also monitor from and adherence to rules are concerned, we time to time. Particularly in those cases are taking certain constant coordinating 27 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 28

measures. The National Safety Council in UNIVERSITIES FOLLOWING UGC Bombay is registered under the Societies ACADEMIC CALENDAR Act. It has a tripartite character in the *25. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : Will sense that it is represented by employers, the Minister of HUMAN RESOURCE workers and the Government. The National DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : Safety Council is coordinating these matters and it takes up these issues with the (a) the Universities, particularly in concerned State Governments. Since it is Bihar, which are following the guidelines a tripartite body, workmen are also involv­ provided by the University Grants Com­ ed in it and from time to time they are sug­ mission regarding the academic calen­ gesting the measures to be adhered to. At dar; the shop floor level and at the plant level itself, Safety Council and other organisa­ (b) the Universities, particularly in tions are also working. If my hon. friend Bihar, which are not implementing the bring any specific case to my knowledge, I guidelines; and will definitely look into it. (c) the specific steps being taken to en­ sure full compliance in this regard ? SHRI ANNA JOSHI : Sir, in the high explosive factories of Pune no care has THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ been taken regarding the safety of workers SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI AR­ who are working there. They are expos­ JUN SINGH) : (a) to (c) : As a follow ed to skin cancer and diseases of Lungs. up action on the National Policy on Edu­ So, I would like to know what safety cation, 1986, the University Grants Com­ measures have been taken for the workers mission had circulated a model academic who are working there. calendar in July, 1989 for implementa­ tion by universities from the academic SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : Sir, year 1990-91. According to the informa­ again this question is concerned with tion furnished by the Commission, six regard to Pune and other areas where universities, including Magadh University workers are working in the hazardous in Bihar, have agreed to adopt the model places of high explosive industries. If any academic calendar. The Commission is specific case is brought to my knowledge pursuing the matter with the State Govern­ I will take it up with the Government of ments and universities to implement the Maharashtra and I will definitely do the academic calendar. needful. IMPLEMENTATION OF RECOMMEN- ATIONS OF CHATTOPADHYAYA WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS COMMISSION [English] *28. SHRI SOBHANA DRESWARA RAO VADDE : Will the Minister of EXPORT OF GIRLS HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : *24. DR. ASIM BALA : Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to (a) whether the Chattopadhyaya Com­ mission had made certain recommenda­ state : tions to improve the conditions of teachers; (a) whether the Union Government have any statistics on export of girls to (b) if so, the details of the recommen­ foreign countries; and dations made; (b) if so, the details thereof ? (c) how many of these have since been implemented; THE MINISTER OF WELFARE (d) the likely date by when the remain­ (SHRI SITARAM KESRI) : (a) No, ing recommendations are likely to be imp­ Sir. lemented; and (b) Does not arise. (e) if not, the reasons: therefor ? 29 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 30

THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ mission had made 9 recommendations re­ SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI AR­ garding pay scales and service conditions JUN SNGH) : (a) : Yes, Sir. of teachers. A statement of the Action taken by the Govt, on these recommenda- (b) to (e) : The Chattopadhyaya Com- tions is attached.

STATEMENT

S. Recommen- Recommendation Action taken by the Govt, thereon No. dation No.

1 2 3 4

(Recommendations 34-38 and 41)

1. 34 As a first step towards a composite The recommendations made by national pay scale for all categories of commission regarding introduction teachers and educational administra­ of uniform pay scale for teucher tors, the Central and the State govern­ working throughout the country ments should explore seriously the pos­ have been examined in detail while sibility of replacing the plethora of formulating National Policy on salary scales in each State by a single Education, which envisages as running pay scale. under :

2. 35 Each State should carefully work out a “The pay and service conditions single running scale as has been sugges­ of teachers have to be commensu­ ted in the illustrative modal as early as rate with their social and profes­ possible and implement the same. sional responsibilities and the need to attract talent to the profession. 3. 36 As a result of the new pay fixation Efforts will be made to reach the policy advocated by us, we expect that desirable objective of uniform emo­ on an average each secondary teacher luments, service conditions and in a State will get a benefit of not less provisions for removal of problems than Rs. 100 per month while in the to the maximum for teachers thro­ case of primary teacher the benefit will ughout the country”. not be less than Rs. 150 per month.

4. 37 The illustrative model of a composite However, in view of the wide dis­ running scale provides for an Efficiency parity in the pay scales for school B.ir after 5 years from an entry point, teachers prevalent in various States, and every 10 years thereafter. This it is not immediately possible to has been done to link salary to perfor­ introduce uniform pay scales for mance. We recommend that every school teachers throughout the point where an Efficiency Bar occurs country. Such uniformity would should be seen by the head of the come about over a period of time. institution as an occasion to review The suggestion to have a single the performance of the concerned running scale for all teachers has teacher in preceding years. In order not been found acceptable as it that such an assessment is made objec­ would not be in the best interest of tively, we further recommend that maintaining the educational stan­ whenever necessary the head of another dards. It may also become coun­ institution or an Inspector with a repu­ ter-productive in that it may act tation for honesty ana impartiality may as a disincentive to teachers acqui­ be associated with such a review. ring higher qualifications and pro­ fessional efficiency. 2—S45LSS/91 31 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 32

5. 38 The number of senior positions in The revised pay scales for school primary as well secondary schools teachers in Union Territories (ex­ should be substantially increased by cept Chandigarh) and the auto­ creatng additional posts of Vice- nomous organisations of Govern­ Principal/first teachers. The number ment of India have been given of posts at different levels should effect from 1-1-1986. These pay broadly conform to the distribution : scales would ensure that each assistant teacher (60%), senior teacher teacher would get Rs. 100-150 more (25%), Vice-Principal (10%) and than what he/she was getting prior Principal/Headmaster (5 %). to the above revision. There is no system except through the Finance Commission for Central Government to assist the State Govts, for non-plan expenditure. The question of implementation of this recommendation does not arise since the other recommendation of the Commission in regard to com­ posite running scale throughout the country for school teachers has not been accepted and it has been felt that uniformity in the pay scale for school teachers throughout the country would come about over a period of time. In most states, salaries for Govern­ ment servants including teachers are revised through Pay Commission normally once in 10 years. It would not be practicable to implement a totally different system for teachers. Review of teachers’ salary etc. may be made at periodic intervals as for other employees.

6. 41 The re should be no discrimination in In the new pay scales, some new the matter of salary and other condi- features have been introduced such tionsofwork against teacher of Physi- as introduction of two new pay caleducation, Indian Languages, music, scales in each grade to ensure that drawing etc. each teacher should ordinarily get at least two promotions in his/her career. Further, in order to ensure greater teacher accountability, Effi­ ciency Bar has been introduced after every 6 years and provision has been made requiring them to attend in-service training and acqui­ ring higher qualifications. This re­ vision in the pay scales is also appli' cable to teachers physical Education Teachers, Language Teachers, Music Teachers, Drawing Teachers, etc. 33 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 34

and they will be eligible to get senior scale and selection scales of the- respective grades subject to fulfil ling necessary conditions stipulated for the purpose. In regard to thepay-scales for school teachers working in the various States, the State Governments will have to take appropriate steps. 7 . 45 Rstiremsnt benefits such as pension, This is a desirable objective which gratuity, family pension, commutation should be attained over a period of benefits, group insurance, provident time, funds etc. should be allowed to teachers of bo th government and private schools on the same pattern as allowed to other government servants. 46 R^iremsnt age for all government and The retirement age for school private school teachers including edu- teachers working in the States is cational administrators should not be prescribed by the concerned State 1 ess than 60. Governments. The State Governments will have to take appropriate steps in regard to the age of retirement for school teachers. In respect of teachers working in Union Territories, the present age of retirement is 60 years. The age of retirement is reviewed from time to time and necessary changes made whenever necessary.

9, 47 Facilities for hsalth and medical care This recommendation is accepted should continue to bs available to to the extent available to other teachers and their family members Government servants ano imp]t- after retirement. mented over a period of time.

PAY SCALE OF MUSIC TEACHER Punjab, Haryana and the Union Territory IN K.V. SANGATHAN of Chandigarh; 29. SHRI PHOOL CHAND VERMA (c) whether the Ramamurthi Committee Will the Minister of HUMAN RESOURCE also recommended equal pay scales for all DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: categories of teachers including music teachers of K.V. Sangathan; and (a) whether the pay scales of Music Teachers in K.V. Sangathan is less than the (d) if so, the steps proposed to be taken Music Teachers of Navodaya Vidyalayas to revise the pay scale of music teachers in Punjab, Haryana and the Union Terri­ and bring it at par with music teachers of tory of Chandigarh despite the fact that Navodaya Vidyalayas in the Union Terri­ qualifications of Music Teachers of K.V. tory of Chandigarh, Punjab and Haryana Sanganathan are higher than those in other and other teachers of K.V. Sangathan ? similar organisations; THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ (b) if so, the details regarding pay scales SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI and qualifications of Music Teachers in ARJUN SINGH): (a) to (d). A statement K.V. Sangathan, Navodaya Vidyalayas in is attached. 35 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 36

STATEMENT The qualifications for Music Teachers in than are lower than those in the Navodaya Kendriya Vidyalaya sangathan are not Vidyalaya Samiti, having regard to the higher than those in Navodaya Vidyalayas. duties and responsibilities attached to the post. The qualifications and pay scales for It is correct that the pay scales of Music Music Teachers in Kendriya Vidyalayas Teachers in Kendriya Vidyalayas Sanga­ and Navodaya Vidyalayas are as under

QUALIFICATIONS FOR MUSIC TEACHERS

KENDRIYA VIDYALAYAS NAVODAYA VIDYALAYAS Degree in music from a recognised Uni- Bachelor’s Degree in music from a recog­ vesity OR Higher Secondary with any of the nised University. Institution and B. ED. following Viz. Sangeet Visharad of gandharva OR Higher Secondary with any of the maha vidyalaya. Bombay or Bhatkhande following Sangeet Visharad of Gandharva Sangeet Vidyapeeth. Lucknow or Indira Maha vidyalaya, Bombay or Bhatkhande, kala Sangeet Vishwavidyalaya, Khairagar Sangeet Vidyapeeth^ Lucknow or Inoira Kala M.P. or Sangeet Samiti, Allahabad or Sangeet Vishwavidyalaya, Khairagar (M.P.) equivalent qualification from other recog­ OR Sangeet Prabhaker as Examination or nised institutions. The following Degree/ Prayag Sangeet Samiti, Allahabad. Diploma awarded by Pracheen Kala Kendra, Chandigarh will also be treated as equivalent qualification for the post of Music Teacher:— (i) Sangeet Bhaskar with graduation in The following Degree/Diploma awarded by any discipline. pracheen Kala Kendra, Chandigarh will also be treated as equivalent qualification foi Music Teachers; (ii) Sangeet/Nritya Bhushan with (a) Sangeet Bhaskar with graduation in any graduation in any discipline. discipline. (b) Sangeet/Nritya Bhushan with graduation in any discipline. (iii) Sangeet Bhushan with Sr. Sec./ (c) Sangeet Bhushan or Sangeet/Nritya Intermedi ate/Pa rt-I of 3 years Visharad with Sr. Sec./Intermediate 3 degree course. years degree Part-I Examinations. (iv) Sangeet/Nritya Visharad with Sr. Sec./Intermediate 3 years degree Part-I Examination.

PAY SCALES OF MUSIC TEACHERS

Kendriya Vidyalayas Navodaya Vidyalayas

Basic Scale : Rs. 1200-2040 Basic Scale: Rs. 1400-2600 Senior Scale: Rs. 1400-2600 Senior Scale : Rs. 1640-2900 Selection Scale: Rs. 1640-2900 Selection Scale: Rs. 2000-3500

The Ramamurthi Committee Report does not contain any recommendations regarding the pay scale of Music Teachers, etc. 37 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 3&

(Translation] dated 13-8-90 issued by the Ministry of Personnel, Public Grievances and Pensions NONAVAILABILITY o f m e d ic in e s TO CGHS BENEFICIARIES (Department of Personnel & Training) providing for 27% reservation of vacancies 32. SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Will the in civil posts and services of the Govt, of Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY India in favour of Socially and Educa­ WELFARE be pleased to state: tionally Backward Classes, based on the (a) whether medicines are not being made recommendations of the Mandal Commis­ available at present to the beneficiaries of sion has been challenged through several the Central Government Health Scheme Writ Petitions which are now being heard through Super Bazar; by a Constitution Bench of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has directed (b) if so, the reasons there for and that no steps for implementation of the (c) the details of the alternative arrange­ Govt, of India’s Order aforementioned ex­ ment (s) made in this regard ? cept the identification of castes to be bene­ fited, shall be taken until the matter is THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND heard. It has further directed that the FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI M. L. scope of the order of 13-8-90 shall not be FOTEDAR) : (a) to (c) Medicines are extended without leave of the Court. normally procured xrom the Medical Stores Organisation and made available to bene­ The Government is awaiting the decision ficiaries from the dispensaries. Medicines of the Supreme Court. not available in the dispensaries were being indented from the Super Bazar (Connaught NOISE POLLUTION Place) prior to 1-4-1991. After 1-4-1991. medicines not available in dispensaries are 35. SRIMATI GEETA MUKHER­ being procured from private chemists. The JEE : Will the Minister of ENVIRON­ change of procedure was effected to- avoid MENT AND FORESTS be pleased to hardship to the beneficiaries who had to state: obtain the medicines from a single outlet of the Super Bazar. Now a number of private (a) whether the major Indian cities are chemists have been approved on a zonal having noise pollution above permissible basis. levels as reported in ‘Free Press Journal’ dated 16th June 1991; [English] (b) whether the Government have made IMPLEMENTATION OF THE M AND A I. any scientific studies to assess the gravity COMMISSION REPORT of the problem in the country; if so, the 33. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: details thereof; SHRI INDRAJTT GUPTA: (c) the corrective steps proposed to be Will the Minister of WELFARE be taken to control noise pollution in the pleased to state : country with special reference to areas around schools, hospitals and residential (a) whether the Government propose to areas: adhere to the decision of earlier Govern­ ment to reserve 27 per cent jobs for the (d) whether it is a fact that the restric­ Backward Classes in Union Government tions placed on car homing outside hospi­ Services and Central Public Sector Under­ tals in Delhi are no longer observed and takings; even sign posts have disappeared; and (b) whether the Government have (e) if so. the corrective steps proposed to evolved a clear cut policy for implementa­ be taken in this regard ? tion of the recommendations of the Man­ dal Commission; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) if so, the details thereof ? MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) THE MINISTER OF WELFARE (SHRI and (b) Yes, Sir. According to a study SIT ARAM KESRI): (a) to (c) The Order conducted by the Centra! Pollution Control 39 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 40

Board in 1989, noise levels above the pres­ by the Delhi Traffic Police. Sign Boards cribed standards were found in a number indicating silence zones to be observed b, of areas of Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta, the vehicles/public are displayed and jr Madras, Hederabad, Kanpur, Jaipur and the case of any damage they are restored. Banglore. [Translation] A study conducted by the Indian Council DEVELOPMENT OF BAREILLY AS of Medical Research regarding effect of COUNTER MAGNET CITY noise on health reveals that there is a defi­ *36. SHRI SANTOSH GANGWAR nite increase in the prevalence! of sensory Will the Minister of URBAN DEVELOP­ neural hearing loss to those who work in MENT be pleased to state: noisy areas. (a) the amount sanctioned so far for the (c) The steps taken and proposed to be development of Bareilly as counter magnet taken to control noise pollution in the city under the National Capital Region country include:— and (i) Ambient air quality standards in (b) the proposed allocation earmarked respect of noise have been pres­ for the next year ? cribed for industrial, commercial, residential and silence zones; sepa­ THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVE­ rate limits have been set for day LOPMENT (SHRIMATI SHEILA KAUL): and night time ambient noise (a) No amount has so far been sanctioned. levels. Noise limits have also (b) No decision has been taken on the been prescribed for automobiles, provision of funds for the development of domestic appliances and construc­ Bareilly so far. tion equipment, to be adopted at the manufacturing stage. Noise limits for automobiles have to be [English] met by 1992, while those for ap­ EMPLOYMENT TO EDUCATED UN­ pliances and equipment are to be met by 1993. EMPLOYED YOUTHS (ii) Codes of practice for controlling *37. SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRI noise from sources other than in­ PATHY: Will the Minister of LABOUR dustries and automobiles have be pleased to state: been evolved by the Central Pol­ (a) whether the Government propose to lution Control Board. These in­ create employment for educated unemploy­ clude public address systems, air­ ed youths of the country; craft operations and bursting of crackers. (b) if so, the details thereof; and (iii) Declaration of silence zones. (c) the number of registered unem­ (iv) Regulating the use of loud­ ployed youths in different categories, State- speakers. wise ?

(v) Restrictions on use of loud and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE electric horns in vehicles. MINISTRY OF LABOUR (SHRI K Cvi) Regulated movement of heavy RAMAMURTHY): (a) to (c) The problem vehicels; and of unemployment, including those of the educated unemployed, is one of major cor- (vii) Segregating industries from resi­ cem in the context of the formulation of dential areas. 8 th Five Year Plan. The number of job seekers on live register of Employment Ex­ (d) and (e) Restrictions placed on blow­ changes classified by each educational level ing of horns in the silence zones outside as on 31st December 1989 is given in the hospitals and schools are being enforced attached statement. 41 Written Ansvsers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 42

Statement Number of job-seekers on Live Register of Employment Exchanges classified by educational levels—31st December, 1989.

(In Thousands) States/Union Below£ Matric and Graduates Total Territories Matric above but below including Graduates Post-Graduates

STATES 1. Andhra Pradesh . 1235.3 1357.4 226.2 2818.9 2. Arunachal Pradesh 4.7 0.4 0.1 5.1 3. Assam 454.5 454.3 64.9 973.7 4. Bihar 1203.7 1534.3 310.8 3048.7 5. Goa 22.2 49.8 6.7 78.7 6. Gujarat 369.0 505.5 64.5 939.0 7. Haryana 273.3 247.0 53.7 574.0 8. Himachal Pradesh 141.9 240.3 36.3 418.5 9. Jammu & Kashmir 74.2 35.5 15.7 125.5 10. Karnat?.ka 478.8 645.8 118.2 1242.7 11. Kerala 1250.6 1704.2 145.4 3100.1 12. Madhya Pradesh 730.6 1030.6 217.4 1978.6 13. Mahar?.shtra 1054.8 1665.6 220.2 2940.6 14. Manipur 108.2 119.4 24.4 252 1 15. Meghalaya 12.7 9.2 1.6 23.4 16. Mizoram 31.0 9.4 1.6 42.0 17. Nagaland 11.6 14.0 1.4 27.0 18. Orissa 363.1 368.6 112.8 844.5 19. Punjab 268.5 240.4 75.4 584.3 20. Rajasthan 381.7 382.2 136.9 900.8 21. Sikkim* 22. Tamilnadu 1459.7 1253.5 277.4 2990.6 23. Tripura 101.2 40.2 6.5 147.9 24. Uttar Pradesh 1094.3 1522.3 496.4 3113.1 25. West Bengal 2173.8 1894.1 456.1 4524.0

UNION TERRITORIES

1. Andaman & Nicobar Islands . 7.6 6.5 1.6 15.7 2. Chandigarh 69.8 61.5 21.9 153.2 3. Dadra & Nagar Haveli 0.9 1 .0 0 .2 2.1 4. Delhi 254.9 419.9 118-7 793.6 5. Daman & Diu** 6. Pondicherry 50.1 53.7 8.9 112.7 7. Lakshadweep 3.3 1.6 0.1 5.0

Total 13686.0 15868.2 3221.9 32776-2

Note — 1. *No Employment Exchange is functioning in this State. 2. **Data net maintained. 3. **Figuies may not add up to total due to rounding off. 4. £Includes illiterates* 43 Written Answers JULY 15. 1991 Written Answers 44

TEMPLES BEING MANAGED BY THE Union Government for the conservation UNION GOVERNMENT and management; and (d) whether the Government propose^ **38. DR. A. K. PATEL : to extend the arrangements to some more SHRI SHANKERSIN H temples, if so, the details thereof ? VAGHELA : THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI Will the Minister of HUMAN RE­ ARJUN SINGH) : (a) The Government SOURCE DEVELOPMENT be pleased to of India does not manage the affairs oi state : any temple which is under religious use (a) the names and locations of temples (b) Does not arise. in the country, the management of which has been taken over by the Union Gov­ (c) A list giving the names and loca­ ernment; tions of the centrally protected temples which are being maintained and conserved (b) since when these temples are being by the Archaeological Survey of India is maisaged by the Government through given in the statement. trusts or otherwise; (d) Taking over more temples as pro­ (c) the names and locations of the tected monuments for purposes of mainte­ temples in the country on the maintenance nance and conservation is considered as of which expenditure is incurred by the and when necessary.

Statement ANDHRA PRADESH SI. Locality Name of Temple Year of No. Protection (1) (2) (3) (4) Anantapur District 1. Gorantla .... Madhavaraya temple 1918 (old Vishnu temple) 2. Kambadur Mallikaxjuna (Siva) temple 1917 3. Lepakshi .... Basavannah temple 1921 4. Do...... Virabhadra temple 1921 5. Rayadrug .... Two temples of Rama and Krishna 1921 6. Tadpatri .... Chintalarayaswami temple 1907 7. Do...... Rameswaraswami temple 1907 8 . Hemavati Group of old temples 1964 Chittoor District 9. Gurramkonda Hanuman temple in fort 1936 16* Manga puram Venkateswara Vishnu temple 1921 (hamlet of Mittapaliam) 11. Sompalle .... Chennakeswaraswami temple 1921 12. Gudimallam village Par asu r a mesvr.ra temple 1963 13. Kallakada Palliswara Mudaiya Mahadeva temple 1968 Cnddapah District 14. Chilamkur . . Agastheswaraswami temple 1922 15. Do...... Vigneswaraswami temple 1922 16. Danavulapad Remains of the buried Jain temple 1922 17. Gandikota Madhavaperumr.1 temple in fort 1922 18. Kotlur (hamlet Pushpagiri) Bheemeswaraswam temple 1908 45 Written Answers ASADHA 24. 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 46

0 ) (2) ______(3) ______(4)_ Indranadheswaraswami temple 1908 Kamalasambhaveswaraswami temple 1908 Raghaveswaraswami temple 1908 Sivakesavuswami temple 1908 Trikoteswaraswami temple 1908 Vaidhyanadhaswami temple 1908 Saumyanatha temple 1921 Kothanda Ramaswami temple 1921 Mukunteswara temple 1921 Old Vishnu temple 1921 Sri Narasimha temple 1950 Athirala Parasurama temple 1922 Viswanathaswami temple 1908 Sri Ko brnla ramaswami temple 1914 East Godavari District 33. Sam dkot-Bhimavaram Bhimesvaram temple 1964 34. Biccavolu Nakkalagudi 1964 Kancharagudi Golingesvara group of temples Veerabhadra temple 35. Daksharama Bhimesvara temple 1964 Guntur District 36. Ayyangaripalem Ancient Siva temple 1942 (hamlet of Pondugala) 37. Bapatla Sri Bhav:.a .rayanaswami temple 1907 38. Chejerla Kapoteswara temple 1937 39. Motupalle Cfrola temple 1907 40. Vundavalli Hindu temple 1921

Kushna District

41. Mogalrajapuram Rock-cut cave temples 1921 42. Vijayawada Malleswaraswami temple 1921 43. Do. Two rock->ut cave temples cn the Indrakila hill 1921 known as Akkanna Madanna caves, consisting of (1) a two-celled shrine facing the east (2) a triple-celled temple with a pillared hall in front and linga in the middle cell

Kurnool District 44. Nandavaram Nandavaram temple 1954 45. Yaganti Old cave temple 1954 46. Do. . Umamahesvaraswarni temple 1954 47. Pitikayagulla Pitikesv ra group of temples 1964 48. Satiavel Ramelingesv. ra group of temples 1966 Mahboobnagar District 49. Alampur Bala Brahma temple 1951 47 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 48

(1) (2) (3) (4) Nellore District

50. Kothampalli , Group of eight rock-cut temples in Bbairavakonda 1923 51. Udayagiri Krishnp. temple 1917 52. Do. Rangp.naya.kula temple 1917

Srikakulam District

53. Mukhalingam Sri Someswara temple 1939 54. Do. . Bhimeswara temple 1964 Mukhalingesvara temple

Vijayanagram District

55. Sarapalii Dibbeswarasw?.mivari temple 1910

Warangal District 56. Hanamkonda Thousand pillared temple 1951 57. Palampet Ramappa temple 1951

West Godavari District 5g. Guntupalle Rock-cut temple 1919

ASSAM STATE

Cachar District

1—3. Khaspur 1. Temple of Ranachandi and 1913 2 & 3. Two small temples

Sonitpur District

1. Bishwanath Bordol temple 1915 2 . N.C. Kamdayal Dhandi temple 1920 3. Tezpur Ruins of stone temple 1925

Sibsagar District

1. Gaurisagar Bishnudol 1937 2. Do. Devidol 1937 3. Do. Sivadol I 937 4. Joysagar Bishnudol 1919 5. Do. Devidol 1920 6. Do. Sivadol 1922 7. Meteka Rangnathdol 1913 8 . Negritting Sivadol 1913 9. Sibsagar Bishnudol 1913 10. Do. Devidol 1913 11. Do. Sivadol 1913

United Mikri and North Cachar Hills District

1. Maibong . Rock-cut temple 1909 49 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 50

ARUNACHAL PRADESH

SI. Locality Name of Temple Year of No. Protection 3

Lohit District 1. Near Paya Ruins of copper temple 1910

BIHAR STATE

Bhagaipur District

1. Golgong Rock temple 1915

Ranchi District 1. Khekparta Ancient stone temple 1939 Shahabad District 1. Paura Temple of Mundeshvr.ri 1914 Singhbhum District 1. Benisagar Old remains of temple 1939

Goa

1. Goa Ancient temple at Tp.mbde Surla 1963 2. Do. Nagesh temple ;.t Bandera 1963 3. Do. Mhalsadevi temple A M .r lol 1963 4. Do. Santa Durga temple 1963 5. Old Goa Santa Durga temple Marsal 1963 6. Kurdi Ruined temple at Kurdi 1963 GUJARAT STATE

Amreli District

1. Mui Dwarka Ranchhodrai temple 1951 2. Do. Kusheswar M .Ir .cev temple 1951 3. Padarsinga Walls of Kashi visvanath temple having frescos on 1951 them

Ahmedabad District

1. Vivangam Shrines 1909

Bhavnagar District

1. Talaja Jain temples 1951 51 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 52

0 ) (2) (3) (4) Jamnagar District

1. Baradia Ram Lakshman temple 1951 2 . Dhinki Gadhi and shrine 195] 3. Dhrasanvel Magdehru temple 195] 4. Dwarka Rukmini temple 1951 5. Gop Gop temple 1951 6. Lowrali Gokeshwar Mahadev temple 1951 7. Navi Dhrewar Kr.lika Mata temple 1951 8 . Vasai Junagadhi temple 1951 9. Do. . Kr.nkeshwar Mahadev temple and other temples 1951 10. Dwarka Dwarkadhish group of temples 1964

Junagadh District 1. Miyani Old Parsvanath temple 1954 Kaira District 1. Sarnal Temple of Gr.lteswara 1909 Kutch District 1. Kotai Siva temple

Mehsana District 1. Asoda Jasmr.lnathji Mahadev temple 1951 2. Dolmal Limbcji Mata temple 1951 3. Khandosan Hingloji Mata temple 1951 4. Do. Sabha Mandap and two ancient shrine near 1951 Hingloji M?.ta temple 5. Modhera . Sun temple 1951 6. Palodar Malai Mata temple 1951 7. Piludara Sitala Mat?, temple 1951 8. Ruhari Nilakantheswar Mahadev temple 1951 9. Sander Two small shrines near Sanderi mata temple 1951 10. Sunak Nil akanthes war?, Mahadev temple 1951 11. Do. Sivai Mata temple 1951

Panch Mahala District 1. Bavka Old ruined temple of Mahadev 1909 2 . Champaner Ruined Hindu and Jain temples at Fort of 1914 Pavagadh 3. Kankanpur Temple of Mahadev 1915 4. Rattanpur Old temple with sculptured screen 1916 Sabarkantha District 1. Khed and Roda Group of temples 1964 (Raisinghpur) Surendranagar District . Anandpur . Ananteshwar temple 1951 2. Sejp.kpur . Navlakha temple 1951 3. Than Sun Temple 1951 4. Wadhwan . Ranak Devi’s temple 1951 53 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 54

HIMACHAL PRADESH

SI. Locality Name of Temple Year of No. Protection

Chamba District 1. Bharmaur . Ganesh temple 1952 2 . Do. • . Laxmi (Lakhana) Devi temple 1952 3. Do. . Mani Mahesh temple 1952 4. Do. . Narsiagh temple 1952 5. Chamba . . Shri Bajreshwari temple Bharaiath 1952 6. Do. . . Shri Bansi Gopal temple 1952 7. Do. . Shri Chamund.. Devi temple 195 2 S. Do. . Shri Hari Rai temple 1952 9. Do. . Shri Lakshmi Narayan 1952 group of temples 10. Do. . Shri Sita Ram temple 1952 11. Chhatrari . Shri Shakti Devi temple 1952

Kangra District

1. Asapuri . Temple 1926 2 . Baijnath . . Temples of Baijnath a nd Sidhnath 1909 3. Masrur . Rock-cut temples 1924 4. Sujanpur . . Narbadeshwar temple and subsidiary shrines 1967 within the compound wall 5. Nurpur . Brij Raj Behari temple inside Fort Complex 1909 6, Kotla Fort. . Temples inside the Fort Complex 1909 7. Kangra . Jain temple inside the Fort Complex 1909

Kullu District

1. Bajaura (Kulu) . Temple of Basheshar Mahadeo 1909 2. Dasal . Temple of Gaurishankar 1912 3. Jagat Sukh . A miniature stone Saiva temple 1929 4. Nagar . Temple of Gaurishankar 1912

Mandi District 1. Mandi . Panchvaktra temple 1952 2. Do . Trik)kinath temple 1952 3. Do. . Ardhanarishwar temple 1983

Lahanl & Spiti District 1. Udaipur . • • Mirkula Devi temple 1989 55 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 56

JAMMU AND KASHMIR

SI. Locality Name of Temple Year of No. Protection

District Anantnag

1. Khrew (Shikargah) * Monolithic shrine 1957 2. Do. . . Remains of ancient temple 1957 3. Ladhuv . Ancient temples 1957 4. Matt ui . Bumzuvi Cc;ve and temples 1957 5. Rampur . Rem iii is of ancient temples 1957 6. Randirshinghpur . Martand Temple 1957 District Baramulla

1. Bandi . Dstill Mandir 1957 2. Buniyar . Ancient temple 1957 3. Fatehgarh Do. 1957 4. Pattan . Sugandhesa temple 1957 5. Do. . Sankara Gaurisvara 1957 temple 6. Tapar . Pratapasvami temple 1957 District Kathua

1. Bisohili . Visvesvara cave temple 1957 and other cave temples 2. Bilaswar . . Group of ancient temples 1957 3. Mahadhora . Trilochanr.nath temple 1957 District Srinagar

1. Durga nag . Sankarachary temple 1957 2. Hari Pp.rbat . Ancient temple 1957 3. Srinagar . Ancient Temple at Bohri Kadal 1957 d O . Pandrethan etmple 1957 5. Wengath . Six ancient temples 1957 District Udhampur

1. Babour . Group of ancient temple 1957 2. Kirmchi . . Group of four temples 1957 District Pulwama

1. Aventipur . Aventisvara temple 1957 2. Do. . Aventisvami temple 1957 3. Kakpora . . Ancient temples 1957 4. Payar Do. 57 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 58

KERALA STATE si. Locality Name of Temple Year of No. Pro­ tection 1 (2) (3) (4)

KOZHIKODE DISTRICT 1. Kitanganad 1921 TRICHUR DISTRICT 1. Eyyal. 1951 2. Urakam 1982 3. Thiruvanchikulam Do. 1982 4. Chemmanthatta . . Siva temple 1982 PALGHAT DISTRICT 1. Pattambi . 1932 TRIVANDRUM DISTRICT 1. Truvallam Brahm?., Siva and Matsya 1962 KARNATAKA STATE BELGAUM DISTRICT 1. Belgaum (Fort) . Old Jain Temple 1910 2. Do. . Old Jain temple outside the Commissariat store yard 1910 3. Do. . Remains of an old Hindu temple 1010 4. Degaon . Temple known as Bastigudi 1910 5. Huli . . Temple of Panchlingdev 1910 6. Konnur . Ruined temple 1910 7. Wakkund . . Jain temple of Mukteshwar 1910 8. Nanandgad . Old Jain temple in the jungle 1910 BELLARY DISTRICT 1. Ambali . Kalleswaraswami temple 1922 2. Ananthasayana gudi . Hampi ruins and Ananthasayana temple 1921 3. Anguru . Kalleswaraswami temple 1923 4. Bagali Do. 1923 5. Halavagalu. . Kalleswaraswami temple 1923 6. Hampi . Group of Jain temples 1921 7 Hampi . Kadalekalu Ganesa temple 1921 8. Hampi . Sasvikal Ganesa temple 1921 9. Hampi . Vishnupad temple 1921 10. Hirehadagalli . Kalleswaraswam temple 1922 11. Huwinahadagalii Do. 1923 12. Kaderampura . Isandikeswara temple 1921 13. Do. . Saraswati temple 1921 59 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 60

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14. Kamalapuram . . Chandrasekhara temple 1921 15. Do. . Ganigitte Jain temple 1921 16. Do. . Hasora Ramchandra temple 1921 17. Do. . Jain temple 1921 18. Do. . Large underground temple 1921 19. Do. . Pattabhirama temple 1921 20. Do. . Two small Siva temples 1921 21. Do. . Rp.nga temple 1921 22. Krishanpuram . Krishna temple 1921 23. Do. . Ling?, temple 1921 24. Kum?j?.swami Betta, andur . . Parvati and Kartikeya temples 1954 25. Kuruvatti . . Mdlikarjuna temple 1922 26. Magalam . . Suryanarayana temple 1921 27. Mailar . Kalleswaraswami temple 1922 28. Nillagunda . Bhimeswara temple 1923 29. Rangjpuram . Narasimhaswami temple 1910 30. Singa na tha na halle . S:.raswathy temple 1921 31. Thimmalapur . Go;^;l i Krishnaswami temple 1908 32. Do. . Sm.’s temple 1908 33. Veakatapuram . . Achutaraya temple 1921 34. Do. . Inscribed Vishnu temple 1921 35. Do. . Jain Temple 1921 36. Do. . Raiighunathaswami temple 1907 37. Do. . Vishnu temple No. 1 1921 38. Do. . Vishnu temple No. II 1921 39. Do. . Vishnu Temple No. Ill 1921 40. Do. . Vittala temple 1921

BANGALORE DISTRICT

1 Bangalore . . A sm;ill Ganesha temple inside the old Dungeon Fort & Gates 1951

BIJAPUR DISTRICT

1. Aihole . Ambiger Gudi (1) 1914 2. Do. . Ambiger Gudi (2) Do. 3. Do. . A temple of Galganath group (1) Ao. 4. Do. . . Do. (2) Do. 5. Do. . . Do. (3) Do. 6. Do. . . Do. (4) Do. 7. Do. Do. (5) Do. 8. Do. . Badiger Gudi Do. 9. Do. . Bhoyar Gudi Do. 10. Do. . Bile Gudi Do. 61 Written ^Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 62

11. Aihole • . . . . Charanti Math (or Murphadryavar Gudi 1914 12. D o ...... Do. Do. 13. D o ...... Desayar Gudi Do. 14. Do ...... Galganath temple Do. 15. Do...... Gardi Gudi Do. 16. Do...... Gavdar Gudi (1) Do. 17. Do...... Gavdar Gudi (2) Do. 18. Do...... Gavdar Ishwar Gudi Do. 19. Do...... Great Durga temple Do. 20. Do...... Hucchimalli Gudi in Survey No. 64 Do. 21. Do...... Jain temple of Meguti Do. 22. Do...... Jotirling temple Do. 23. Do...... Kare Gudi Do. 24. Do...... Konti Gudi Do. 25. Do...... Maddin Gudi (Basavanna) (1) Do. 26. Do ...... Do. ( 2) Do. 27. Do...... MenaBasti (Jain Cave) Do. 28. Do...... No name, but forms part of Yanniavar Gudi Do. 29. Do ...... Rachi Gudi Do. 30. Do...... Ramling temple Do. 31. Do...... Small temple to south-west of the Great Durga temple Do. 32. Do ...... Temple adjoining Konti Gudi Do. 33. Do...... Temple adjoining Konti Gudi Do. known as Surang Gudi Do. 34. Do. . . . . Temple and adjoining smaller buildings in Survey No. 66 known as Jotirling Do. 35. Do...... Temple close to Serial No. 47 Do. 36. Do...... Temple close to the temple of Do. Ladkhan Do. 37. Do. . . . * • Temples in fields a short distance from the north-west corner of village Do. 38. D o ...... Temple in Survey No. 270 Do. 39. Do...... Temple of Ladkhan Do. 40. Do...... Temple on the north of Serial No. 46 Do. 41. Do...... Temple with a large Nandi in the Hall Do. 42. Do...... Tryambakeshwar temple Do. 43. Do...... Two-storied Jain temple and cave on the hill under Meguti Do. 44. Do ...... Veniavar Gudi (1) Do. 45. Do ...... Venhvar Gudi (2) Do. 46. Do. . . -. . v i- Veniavar Gudi (3) Dft 3—545 t»SS/9I ~ i Written Answeri JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 64

1 ______2______'______3______'______4 47. Aihole ...... Virbhadra Dever temple 1914 48. Do...... Yanniavar Gudi Do. 49. Do...... Yogi Narayan temple Do. 50. B a d a m i ...... Bhutnath Group of temples 1918 51. Do...... Group of temples Do. 52. Do...... Lakulisa temple Do. 53. Do...... North fort and temples Do, 54. Do...... Temple on the knoll Do. 55. Bevoor ...... Kalika Bhavani temlpe 1920 56. D o ...... Narayandev temple Do. 57. D o ...... Rameshwar temple Do. 58. Bijapur ...... Jalamandir 1914 59. Chatfarki (gaothan) .... Ancient Hindu temple of Shri Dattatraya 1929 60. Cholachgudi ...... Old temple 1927 61. Do...... Old temple Do. 62. H a l l u r ...... Old Jain temple 1921 63. Do ...... Visheshwar temple Do. 64. Nagral S a m a t...... Nagnath temple 1920 65. N i m b a l ...... Shankarling temple 1938 66. Pattadakal...... Chandrashekhar temple 1918 67. Do ...... Galganath temple 1914. 68 . Do...... Great temple of Virupaxa Do. 69. Do...... Jain temple Do. 70. Do...... Jambulinga temple Do. 71. Do...... Kadhiddeshwar temple Do. 72. Do...... Kashi Vishveshwar temple Do. 73. Do...... Temple of Malikaijuna Do. 74. Do...... Temple of Papnath Do. 75. Do...... Temple of Sarigameshwar Do. 76. T a l i k o t ...... Shri Ramdev Temple 1917

CHJKMAGALUR DISTRICT 77. A m r ita p u r a ...... Amritesvara temple 1951 78. B ela v a d i...... Viranarayana temple Do. 79. S r in g e r i...... Vidyasankara temple Do.

Chitaldrug District

Coorg District 1- Mullur, Sanivarsanti Hobli . . Three atone built JFaina temples 6 $ Written Answers ASADttA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 6 6

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Dharwar District ]> Amargol • Banashankari Devi 1909 2- Annigeri . Shri Amrateshvar Do- 3* Balambid . Kalmeshvar Do. 4* Bankapur . Nagareshwar temple 1922 5* Chavadadanapur . Mukteshvar 1909 6- Dambal • Dodbasappa temple 1918 r Do­ . Someshvar temple Do- S' Gadag . Sarasvati temple 1909 9 Do- . Someshvar temple Do* 10- Galagnath . Galageshvar Do 11* Hangal . Old ruined temple 1918 12* Do- . Tarakeshvar 1909 13* Do- . Virbhadra temple 1925 14- Haveri . Shiddeshvar temple 1909 15- Haralhalli . Someshvar temple Do- 16- Do- . Kaleshwar temple 1924 17- Lakkundi . Jain Basti 1909 18- Do- . Kashi-Vishveshvar Do- 19- Do- . Kumbhargeri Ishvar Do* 20- Do. . Mankeshvar Do. 21- Do- . Muskin Bhanvi Do. 22- Do- . Naneshvar Do- 23- Naregal . Temple of Sarveshvar Do* 24* Rattiballi . Kadambeshvar temple Do- 25- Tambur . Basvanna Dev temple Do* 26- Unkal . Chandramauleshvar Do- Hassan District 1- Arsikere . . Isvara temple 1951 2- Belur . Kesava temple Do. 3* Doddagaddavalli . Lakshmidevi temple Do- 4- Halebid . Adinatha Basti Do* 5 Do . Hoysalesvara temple Do. 6- Do- . Kedaresvara temple Do- 7 Do- . Parsvanatba Basti Do* 8 - Do- . Santhinatha Basti Do- 9- Koravangala . Buchesvara temple Do- 10- Mosale . Nagesvara and Cbennakesvara temple Do- 11* Nuggehalli . Lakshminarasimha temple Do- 12- Do- . Sadashiva temple Do- 13- Sravanabelgola . Akkana Basti Do- 14- Do- . Chandragupta Basti Do. 15- Do- . Chavundaraya Basti Do- 16- Do- . Parsvanatha Basti Do* 17- Arakail . Channakesva temple 1983 Kolar District 1- Avani . Ramalingesvara temple 1951 2- Kolar . Kolaramma temple Do- 3- Do* # • Somesvara temple Do- 4- Nandi •• .. . Bhoganandisvara temple Do. 67 Written Answerb ftjLY 15, 1991 Written Answers ^

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Mandya District 1- Basral . Mallikarjuna temple 1951 2- Govindanahalli . Panchalingesvara temple Da 3- Hosaholalu . Lakshminarayana temple Do- 4- Kambadahalli . Paachakuta Basti Do- 5- Marehalli . Lakshminarasimha temple Do, 6- Melkote . Narayanasvami temple • Do. 7- Nagameagala . Kesava temple ' Do. 8 - Siadhaghatta . Lakshminarayana temple Do* 9- Srirangapatna . Sri Ranganathasvami temple Do. lO- Tonaur . Temple Do* ll- Aratipur . Ancient Jaina vestiges 1988 Mysore District

1* Bettadapor • . Sidlu Mallikarjuna temple 1951 .2- Guadlupet • . Sri Vijayanarayana temple Do 3* Hale Alur . Arkesvara temple Do 4* Mullur . . Lakshmikanta temple Do- 5* Nanjangud . Srikantesvara temple Do* 6* Narasamangala . Ramesvara temple Do. 7- Somanathapur . Kesava temple Do« 8 - Talkad . . Kirthinarayana temple. Do- 9* Do* . Vaidyesvara temple Do 10- Yelandur • . Gaurisvara temple Do North Kanara District

1- Baaavasi . Madhukeshwar temple 191 2- Bhatkal • • . Adke Narayan Devasthan including 191 Virupaksha Devasthan 3- Do- •• . Jattappa Naikan Chandra Do Natheshwar Basti 4* Do* . . . . Joshi Shankar Narayan Devasthan D< 5* Do- . . . . Ketpai Narayan Devasthan Do 6* Do* . Lakar Kamati Narayan Devasthan Do 7- Do- . » . Narsinha Devasthan Do 8 - Do* . . . Paraswanathshewar Basti Dc 9- Do- . . . Raghunath Devasthan D( lO- Do* . , . . Santappa Naik Tirumal Devasthan Dc ll- Bilgi . Small deserted temple Dc 12- Do* . . Virupaksha temple Dc 13* Hadvall .. . Basti Chandranatha Deva Dc 14* Nagarbastikeri or Gersappa Chaturmukh Basti D< 15* Do- . • • . Vardhaman Swami temple Do 16- Do* . . » . Virbhadra temple XX 17* Somasagar .. . Temple of Shiva 19H 18* Sonda . • . . Temple close to King’s seat Do 19- Bilgi .. . Old Jain temple locally known as 196- Ratnatraya Basadi 20- Gudnapur • * • . Virbhadraswamy temple 198' Raichur District

1. Ittagi . Mahadev temple 195 69 Written Answexs ASADHA. 24, 1913 fSAKA) Written Answers 70 ------......

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Shimoga District

i Bandalike . Anekal temple 1951 2- Do* . Somesvara temple Do* 3* Do. . Trimurthinarayana temple Do- 4* Belaavi . Bherundesvara temple Do- 5* Do- . Kedaresvara temple Do* 6- Do- . Tripurantesvara temple Do 7* Chandragutti . Fortress and Renuka temple D o ' 8* Humcha . Bastis and inscriptions Do. 9' Ikkeri . Aghoresvara temple Do- 10* Keladi . Ramesvara temple Do- li­ Kubatur . Kaitabhesvara temple Do- n ­ Do- . Parsvanatha Basti Do* ts* Do- , Ramesvara temple Do- 14- Kudli Do- Do* IS­ Kuppagadde . Temples Do- IS* MeJagi . Jain Basti Do IT- Nadkalsi . Mallikarjuna and Ramesvara temples Do- 18- Talagunda . Pranavesvara temples Do* 19* Udri . Temples Do- South Kanara District 1- Hosal (Barkur) . “Kathale Basti** a little Siva temple 1921 containing a linga and a small oblong stone-built temple 2- Karkal . . Anatapadmanabha temple 1941 3* Do* . Chaturmukha temple 1921 4* Mangalore . Mangaladevi temple Do- 5* Prantya . Seventeen Jain tombs at Mudabidri Do' Tumknr District 1* Aralaguppe » Channigaraya temple 1951 2- Nagalapura . Chennakesava temple Do* 3* Nagalapura . Kedaresvara temple Do.

MADHYA PRADESH

Bafaghat District 1. Baihar . Temples 1925 2. Kashitola . Temple of Kotesvara (Mahadeo and 1938 Hanuman) 3. Raigarh . .. Old temple withintbe limits of Piparwara 1922 forest village Bastar District 1. Barsur . Chandraditya temple 1954 2* Do. . Mamabhanjaka temple 1954 3. Bastar . Mahadeo temple 1954 4. Dantewada . DanteswariDevi temple 1954 5. Narainpal . Narayan temple 1954 6. Saxopur . . Karli Mahadeo temple 1954 74 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written. Answers * 72*

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Betul District

1. Bhainsdehi .... Mahadeo temple ] 925 Bhind District

1. Kherat . . . . . Brick temples (two) 1951 Bilaspnr District 1. Arbhar . . . . Arbhar temple 1925 2. B e l p a n ...... Temple 1922 3. G a t o r a ...... Temple 1922 4. Janigiri ...... Large Vaishnava temple 1925 5. J a n i g i r i ...... Small temple 1925 6. K h a r o d ...... Brick temple of Savari 19l7 7. Do...... Small brick temple 1917 8. Do...... Soorya temple 1922 9. Mallar ...... Patalesvara Mahadeva temple 1937 10. Pali . . . . Mahadeo temple 1925 11. Ratanpur .... Kanthi Dewal temple 1917 12. Sheorinarayan . . . Half ruined temple of Keshava Narayan 1922 13. Do ...... Sheorinarayan temple together ^ii hi uired 19:5 brick temple in the same compound and Chandrachuda temple 14. T u m a n ...... Remains of a very ancient temple 1917

Chhatarpur District 1. Khajuraho . . . . Chausath Jogini temple 1953 2. Do ...... Chitrgupta or Bharaiji’s temple 1953 3. Do...... Devi Jagadambi temple 1953 4 . Do ...... Kandariya temple 1953 ‘5 . d o ...... Lakshman temple 1953 6 . Do...... Lalguan Mahadeva 1953 7 . Do...... Mahadeva ttmple 1953 g. Do...... Matangesvara temple 1953 9. Do...... Nandi temple 1953 10. Do...... Parvati Temple 1953 11. Do...... Varaha temple 1953 12. Do...... Visvanath temple 1953 13. Do. • . . . Adinath temple 1953 14. Do...... Brahma temple 1953 15. Do...... Ghantia temple 1953 15. Do...... Javari temple 1953 17. Do...... Parsvanatha temple 1953 18; Do ...... , Santinatha temple 1953 19; Do. . . . Vamana temple 1953 20. Do...... Duladeo temple 1953 2 i; Do...... Jatakari or Chaturbhuj temple 1953 73 Writtpn Answers ASADHA 34, 1913. OSAKA) Written Answers 7 4 .——------r------,— --- - ■ ...... ' „ ■ y |......

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Damoh District 1. Kaaoda Remains of an old sculptures temple 1922 2. Kanora Bari . Temple of Kanora Bari 1925 3. Kodal . Old temple 1925 4. Kundalpur Jain temples on the hills 1914 5. Do. . One flat-roofed temple below the hill 1912 6. Nohta . Temple 1925 7. Sakhar . Temple 1925 Dewas District 1. Nemawar . Siddheshwar temple 1951 2. Do. . Unfinished temple 1951 Drug District 1. Deobaloda . Old ruined sand stone temple 1925 2. Deorbijia . Old temple of Sita Devi 1922 3. Dhamda . Temple of Sheo on Buddha tank 1925 Rajnandangaon District 1925 Dhar District 1. Mandu . Neelkantha temple 1951 2. Wasvi . Rock cut temple 1991 Guna District 1. Budhi Chanderi . Jain temples 1 to 5 1951 2. Kadwaha . Temples 2 to 7 1951 Gwalior District

1. Amrol . Mahadeva temple 1951 2. Gwalior Fort Sas Bahu temples 1951 3. Do. . TeliKaMandir 1951 4. Do. . Chaturbhuj temple 1951 Jabalpur District 1. Bheraghat . Temple of Chaunsath Yogini 1925 2. Bilhari . Vishnu Varaha temple 1925 3. Burgaon . . Temple of Somnath and ruins of several 1914 temples adjoining it 4. Garha Panch Matha temples 1925 5. Marha Deori . Ruines temple near t he sources of lhe 1926 Kiyan river Mandasor District 1. Dhamnar Brahmanical rock-cut temples 1951 2 * Khor 1551 75' 'Written Answers "•JULY'15, 1991- Written Answers 73

Mandla District 1. Khaddeori Siva temple 1922 2. Kukkaramath Ranmukteshwar temple dedicated to 1925 Shankar 3. Mandla . Temple in Gond fort Mandla 1922 Murena District 1. Mitaoli Ekottarso Mahadcva temple 1951 2. Padhavli Temple 1951 3. Suhania Kakanmadh temple 1953 4. Naresar Temples 1 to 22 1951 5. Batesar Group of Temples 1988 Narsloghpur District 1. Chowragarh Temple in the fort 1925 Nimar (East) District 1. Asirgarh Mahadeo temple 1925 2. Do. Temple inside fort 1925 3. Mandhata Chaubis Avatar temple 1925 4. Do. Sidhesvara or Siddhnath temple 1925 5. Godadpura (Onkar Mandhata) Amleswar alias Mamleshwar group of 1967 temples including Kaleshwar temple Nimar (West) District 1. Un Jain temples 1 to 3 1951 2. Do. Temples of Mahakaleshwar 1 to 2 1951 3. Do. Temple of Nilakantheswar 1951 Panna District 1. Ajaigarh Two temples ascribed to Gupta period 1953 2. Nachna Nachna Kuthara Parvati temple Do. 3. Nachna Chaumakhnath temple Raipur District 1. Narainpur . Temple belonging to Mahant Laldass of 1925 Sheorinarayan 2. Rajim . Group of temples know as the 1925 Rajivalochana or Rajim temples 3. Do. , , Temple of Ramachandra 1925 Raiseg District 1. Bhojpur • Saivita temple 1951 2. Raisen Fort . . Pameyka temple 1954 3. Do. . . ■ : • . . Temple 1954 4. Sanchi . Ruins temple 1954 5. Do. . Temple of Gupta period 1954 6. Do. . Temple of Post of Gupta period 1954 7. Do...... Temple No. 31 1954 ■ A Do. . " . . Shrine 1954 v: D o. . ‘ - .‘ Tempte No. 40 1954 T! Written Answets ASADHA 24, 1913 {SAKA) Written Answers 7& _------—— ■..—...... ------. i m—ro—w —

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Sagar District 1. Bamoda . Temple 1925 2. Karonda . Temple of Mahadeo or Mata 1922 3. Pali . Temple of Mahadeo 1922 Seoni District 1. Ashta 1926

Shahdol District

1. Amarkantak . Karan temple 1953 2.' Do. 1953 3. Do. . . . # . Shiva temple 1953 4. Sohagpur . Virath temple 1953

Sidhi District 1. Chandrah . Temple 1953 Shapori District

1. Mahua 1951 2. Do. . . . . Small Shiva temple 1951 3. Surwaya . Siva temple 1951 4. Terahi . Mohajamata temple 1951 Vidisha District 1. Badoh . Dashavatara temple 1951 2. Do. . . . 1951 3, Do. . . . 1951 4. Gyaraspur . Maladevi temple 1951 5, Udaygiri . Ruins of Gupta temple 1951 6. Udaypur . Udayeshwar Mahadeva temple 1951

MAHARASHTRA STATE Ahxnednagar District

1. Baminl 1914 2. Ghotan 1921 3. Ghotan 1921 4. Harischandragud . Caves and temple 1909 5. Karjat 1921 6. Do. . . . . Temple of Shiva called NaktichedeuI 1921 7. Kolaumthan . Old Temple 1909 8 . Mandavgaon Katrahad . . Temple of Devi 1909 9. Parner . Temple of Shiva 1921 10. Pedgaon . 1914 11. Do. . . . 1909 12, Ratanwadi . Temple of Anriteshwar 1909 13. Tahakri . Triple Shrined temple of Bhavani 1909 14. Toka 1928 15. D c. . . . 1928 IS. Do. . . , . . Temple of Vishnu 1928 79 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 80

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Ako»a District 1. Barsi Takti . Black stone temple of Bhawani 1925 Amrarati District 1. Lasur . Temple of Anandeswar 1925 Aurangabad District 1. Verul (Ellora) Ghrishneshwar temple 1961 Bhandara District L Padampur . Old remains of two temples 1926 2. Do. . Remains of the temple to the north of 1942 the village 3. Do. . Remains of the temple to the North-west 1942 of the village 4. Do. . Remains of the temple close to the South 1942 of the village Ganeshpur 5. Do. . Remains of the temple locally known as 1942 Nath Bawa

Bhir District 1. Ukkad Pimpri . Ukkadeswar and Mahadeo temple 1988 Buldana District 1. Dhotra Three old temples 1925 2. Kothali . Two old t emples 1925 3. Lonar . Fifteen temples 1917 4. Do. . Gaimukha Temple and tank 1925 5. Do. . Gaimukh temple No. 1 of Daityasudan 1917 6. Do. . Temple of Daityasudana 1925 7. Sakegaon . . Temple of Mahadeo 1925 S. Satgaon . . Temple of Vishnu and remains of a small 1925 temple 9. Sindkhed . Temple of Mahadeo 1926 Chanda District

1. Armori . Old temple 1925 2, Bhandak . . Remains of a temple 1924 3. Chanda . Achaleswar temple and another small 1925 temple within an enclosure 4. Do. . . . . Mahadeo temple 1925 5. Do. . . . . Temple of Mahakali 1925 6. Churul . Temple of Keshavanath 1924 7. Deotek . Ancient temple 1938 8 . Dhanora . . Hemadpanthi temple 1924 9. Ohutkala . . Old temple of Chandikadtvi 1939 81 • Wrttteii' AnSwers ASApHA 24, 1913 (SAKA)Written Answers 82

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10. Mahadwari . Temple of Mahadeo 1924 tl. Markanda . Group of temples 1925 12. Neri . Temple of Mahadeo 1925 13. Nimdhela forest . Ramdigi temple 1924 14. Palebaras . Old Hemadpanti temple 1924 15. Rajgarh . . Old temple of Mahadeo 1924 16. Thanegaon . Large temple 1925 17. Wairagarh . Tempe of Bhandareshwar 1925

Dhulia District 1. Balsana 1919 2. Do. 1912 3. Do. . 1912 4. Do. . Survey No. 418 1919 5. Do. . 418 1919 6. Do. . in survey No. 141 1919

Jalgaon District 1. Changdev . Temple of Changdev 1916 2. Dighi . Temple of Devi and Sambha 1920 3. Patan . Maheswara Temple 1914 4. Do. 1914 5. Do. 1916 6. Do. . 1916 7. Sangameshwar . . Mahadev temple 1914 8 . Vaghli . Mudhai Devi temple 1914 9. Do. . . . Old temple of Siddeshwar 1917

Kolaba District 1.Alibag . Padmawati Shrine 1914 2. Do. . . . Shrine of Bhawani 1914 3. Do. . Shrine of Maruti 1914 4. Do. . Shrine of Yesvantadari 1914 5. Do. . Temple of Bapdeo 1914 6. Do. . Temple of Ganpatipanchyatan 1914 7. Do. . Temple of Guilabior Mahis-asuri 1914 8 . Do. . Temple of Kanoba 1914 9. Do. . Temple of Mahadeo 1914 10. Kadasari Kangori . Temple of the God Kangorm?,l 1916

Kolhapur District t. Khidranur . Kopeswar Temple 1954

Nagpur District 1.Ghogra . Temple of Mahadeo 1925 2. Ramtek . . Kalimata’s temple 1921 •3'. Do- . Remains of a very old shrine 19*5 82L Written Answers JULY. 15, 1991 Written Answers 84

1 2 3 4 Nasik District 1. Ambegaon . Hindu temple 1916 2„ Anjanneri . . Old temples 1916 3, Dcothan . . Hindu temple 1915 4. Sinnar . Temple of Aeshwar 1909 5* Do. . Temple of Gondeshvar Mahadev 1909 6. Trimbak . . Trimbakeshwar temple 1941 7. Zodga . Hemadpanti temple of Mahadeo 1909

Poona District 1. Rcdsa 1909 2. Bhaja 1909 3. Junnar . 1909 4. 1909 5. Malsiras 1930 6. Poona . Cave temple of Bhamburda 1909

Satara District

1. Old Mahabaleshwar . . Old temple of the river Krishna 1932 2, Phaltan 1954

Solapar District

1. Machnur . . Old temple of Shri Sidheshwar 1930 2. Mahahing . Hemadpanti temple of Mahadeo 1930 3. Do. . Hemadpanti temple of Vithoba 1930 4. Do. . Temple of Devi Yemani 1930 5. Vellapur . . Gateway and old Maruri temple 1930 6, Do. . Old doubled shrined temple 1912 7. Vellapur . . Old temple and Viragals 1912 8 . Do. . Old temple in Sarkarvada locally known as Parasnath temple 1930 9. Velapur . Temples of Haranareshwar and Ardhanari Nateshwar 1930

Thana District

1. Ambaraath . Temple of Ambarnath 1909 Yeotraal District

1. Neir . Hemadpanthi temple of Mahadeo known as So mesh war 1922 2. Pandhardevi . Temple of Goddess Pandhardevi 1922 3. Pathrot (Mahagaon) . . Temple of Kamaleshwar 1922 4. Root Sawangi . . Mahadeo temple 1922 5. Rui . Mahadeo temple 1922 6. . Hemadpanthi temple o f Shree Mahadeo 1922 % Ydabara ...... Mahadeo temple 1922 fc5 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 8 6

1 2 3 4 MANIPUR STATE Imphal District 1. Bishcnpur • • . Temple of Vishnu 1954

ORISSA

Bolangir District 1. Jharial minor shrines. 1967

Cuttack District

1. Bandareswar • • * Ruins of the Buddhist temples 1937

2. Chandia „ • . . . Small temple of Mahakal 1937 3. Naltigiri . • . Ruins of Buddhist temples 1937 4. Simhanatha Pitha Mauza Gopina- thpur . Simhanatha Mahadeva temple 1964 5. Magura Dhanmandal . . Pancha Pandava temple 1964

6. Rameswar . • . Durga temple 1964 7. Bhabanipur Mauza Balia . Bhubaneswar Mahadev temple 1988 Dhenkanal District

I. Bajrakot . 1961

Ganjam District 1. Kottakolla . . Gangadharaswami temple 1909 2. Do. . 1909 3. Mahaadragiri • . Bhima temple 1921

4. Do. • . Kunti temple 1921 5. Do. 1921 Phulbani District

1. Gandharadhi • . . Temples of Nilamadhava and Sidheswara 1961 2. Baudh Town . Paschima-Somanatha Bhubanesvara and Kapilesvara temples 1964

Puri District

1. Baragarh . • . Bhaskareswar temple 1946 2. Do*. . in the compound 1946 3. Do. . 1946 4. Do. ... « * • • Rameswar temple 1946 3. Bhubaneswar • • • • Bakeswar temple 1946 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 .Written Answers $g

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6. Bhubaneswar . Ananta Basudeva Temple 1946 7. Do* . . Boital Temple 1946 8 . Do. . Chitrakarni Temple 1946 9. Do. . 1946 10. Do. . temples in the compound, namely: 1946 (1) Amania well (2) Astamurti (3) Chandeswar Deb (4) Gopaluni Temple (5) Ladukeswar Temple (6) Parbati Temple (7) Sabitri Devi Temple (8 ) Sakreswar Temple (9) Sathidosi Temple 11. Do. Maitreswar Tample with all the minor temples in the compound 1946 12. D o. Makareswar Temple with its minor shrines 1946 13. Do. Markandeswar Temple 1946 14. Do. Mukteswar Temple with its minor shrines 1946 15. Do. Parsurameswar Temple 1946 16. Do. Raja Rani Temple 1946 17. Do. Sari Temple No. 1 1946 18. Do. Sidheswar Temple 1946 19, Do. Paramguru Temple 1984 20. Do. Papanasini Temple 1986 21. Hirapur ChausathjYogini Temple known as Maha- maya temple 1954 22. Bhubaneswar Sisiresvara temple 1964 23. Raghunathpur Daksha Prajapati temple 1965 24. Chourasi . Varahi temple 1962 25. Puri . Shri Jaganath Temple and subsidary shrines 1975 26. Besnaghai Magheswar Temple with its minor shrines 1946

PONDICHERRY ADMINISTRATION

1. Tiruvandarkovil . Siva temple dedicated to Sri Panchanatha Iswarer of Sri Vadnkisw&rar 1960 2. Thirubhuvansi . . Vishnu Temple dedicated to Tingalai Sri Varadaraja Perumal 1960 3. Bahur . Siva Temple dedicated to Sri Srimulana- thar 1960 4. Settur. . Siva Temple 1960 5. Nedungadu . . Siva Temple dedicated to Svayambunatha- - swami of Tantondriyayar. 1960 g 9 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 9^

RAJASTHAN STATE

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Alwar District

1. Alwar ..... Shiva temple 1951 Banswara District

1. Arthuna .... Siva temple 1951

Bharatpur District 1. B a y a n n ...... Usa Mandir 1951 2. K a a n ...... Chaurasi Khamba temple 1951 Bhilwada District 1. B i j h o l i ...... Maha Kal and two other temples 1956 2. Khadipur village .... Ancient temple known as Kaneri-ki-Putali 1964 Bikaner District 1. Bikaner ..... Bhandasar Jain Temple 1951 2. Morkhana .... Jain temple of Susani Goddess 1951 Chitorgarh District 1. Badoli ..... Ghateshwar temple 1956 2. Do ...... Temple of Ashtamata 1956 3. Do ...... * Temple of Ganesh 1956 4. Do ...... Temple of Sheshashayan 1956 5. Do...... Temple of Shiv 1956 6. Do...... Temple of Trimurti 1956 7. Do ...... Temple of Vamanavatar known as Narad Temple 1956 8 . M e n a l ...... Menal (Mahanal) temple 1956

Dfaolpur District 1. D h o lp u r ...... Jogni Joga temple 1951

Dungarpur District 1. DevSomnath .... Somnath temple 1951 Jaipur District 1. Abaneri ..... Harsat Mata-ka-Mandir 1951 2. A m b e r ...... Laxmi Narain’s temple 1951 3. Do...... Sri Jagat Siromaniji temple 1951 4. D o ...... Sun temple 1951 5. G u lt a g i ...... Temple containing fresco paintings 1951 Jaisalmer District 1. Jaisalmer ...... Ancient temples in Fort 1951 Jbalawar District 1. Jhalrapatan • . Old temples near the Chaadrabhaga 1951 Written. Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written , Answers 92

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i . Atru or Ganesh Ganj . Ruins of temples 1951 2. Baran 1951 3. Charchoma . Siva temples 1951 4. Dara or Kukandara . . Temple 1951 5. Kanswa 1951 6. Shergarh . 1951

Sawai Madhopur District

1. Sawai Madhopur . Jain temple 1951 Sikar District 1. Sikar 1951

Tonk District 1. Bisalpur . 1951 2. Todaraisingh . Kala Pahar temple 1951 3. Do. . 1951 4. Do. . 1951 known as Gopinathji’s temple 5. Do. . 1951

Udaipur District 1. Nagda . Sas Bahu temple 1951 2. Kumbalgarh . Nilakanth Mahadev temple 1951 3. Do. . 1951 4. Do. . 1951 5. Do, . Badal Mhal Ambameta temple 1951

Cfeittorgarh District

1. Chittorgarh Fort . Ratneswar Temple 1956 2. Do. . . Kukuteswar Temple 1956 3. Do. . Lakshminath Temple 1956 4. Do. . Annapurna Temple 1956 5. Do. . Charbhujaji Temple 1956 6. Do- . Galteswar Temple 1956 7. Do. . . . . Pataleshwar Temple 1956 8 . Do. . . Jain Temple 1956 9. Do. . Mahadeo Temple 1956 10, 1956 11. 1956 12. Do. . . Kumbhashyamji Temple 1956 1956 13. Do. . Meera Bai Temple 1956 14. Do. . Jatashankar Temple 1956 15. Do. . Mahadev Temple 1956 16. . Samidheswar Temple 1956 17. Do. . Mahadev Temple 1956 18. Do. . . . Kalika Mata Temple 1956 19. . . Suryanarayan Temple • 93 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 94

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20. Chi :torgarh Fort . Shiva Temple 1956 21. Do. 1956 22. Do. 1956 23. Do. 1956 24, Do. . . . 1956 25. Do. 1956 26. Do. 1956 27. Do. 1956 28. Do. 1956 29. Do. 1956 30. Do. . Mahadeo Temple 1956 TAMILNADU STATE Chenagl Anna District 1. Kancheepuram . Iravatanesvara temple 1954 2 Do. . Sri Matangeswarar J Swamiar temple 1919 3. Do. . Sri Muktesvara Swami temple 1919 4. Kalathur . Munkudimi Eswaran Templej 1921 5. Kancheepuram . Jvarahareshwara Swamiar temple 1911 6. Mahavilagam . Large Siva temple of Tenneri 1909 7. Mahabalipuram . Iswara temple 192) 8 . Do. . Mukundunayanar temple (half burried in 1924 sand to the north of the village) 9. Do. . Rock-cut Ganesa temple 1921 10. Do. . Rock-cut Varaha temple 1921 11. Do. . Shore temple 1921 12. Do. . Small monolithic temples known as 1921 Valiankuttai Ratha (Unfinished) 13. Do. . Triple celled rock-cut shrine 1921 14. Do. . Two rock-cut cave temples 19Z1 15. Do. . Two small monolithic temples known as the Pidari Amman Ratha (unfinished) 1921 16. Do. . Unfinished rock-cut cave temple north of Krishna Mandapa 1921 17. Manimangalam . Old temple 1909 18. Oragadam . Vedamaleswara temple 1921 19. Parameswar a-vinnagara m . Vaikuntaperumal temple 1909 20. Salabogam . Kailasanathaswami temple 1909 21. Saluvankuppam . Rock-cut Siva temples 1921 2 2 . Do. . Tiger headed rock-cut temple 1921 23. Tenneri . Lesser Siva temple 1909 24. Tiruvidanthai . Nithya Kalyanaswami temple 1921 25. Tirumukkudal . . Venkatesaperumal temple 1921 26. Tirupporur . Temple of Kailasanatha 1946 27. Voyalur . Tirupuleswarar temple 1921 28. Uttiramerur . Vikuntha Perumal temple 1963 29. Kancheepuram . Piravatanesvara temple 1966 4—545LSS/91 95 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 96

1 2 3 4 Coimbatore District.. h Kunthur + . JBLuined Mahalingeswara temple 1921 2m Muttupudur .... Jain temple 1921 3* Sirkar-Periy a-Palaiyam . Sugrivesvara temple 1921 4. Thirumuruganpundi . * ... . Muxugmatha temple 1921 Kanyakuniari District K Jhirunathikara (hamlet of . Rock-cut cave temple 1963 t'hirupparappu) 2. Arununai village Chitharal Dasam Bhagavati temple 1964 3. Parthivapuram . Parthasarathy and Krishna temple 1983

North Arcot District 1 . Kilputtur . Svayambunathar temple 1918 2. Koranganilmuttam . . Rock-cut shrine 1923 3. Mahendravadi . Monolithic rock-cut temple 1921 4. Melpadi . Choleswara temple 1921 5. Do. . . . Somanatha temple 1921 6. Do. . . Subrahmanja temple 1922 7. Siyamangalam . . Rock-cut temple 1918 Tirumalai . Jain temple 1917 9. Tirumalpur . Konar temple 1923 1*. Vellore . . . Jalakanteswara temple 1921 11. Nattcry . . . Chandramoulesvarer temple 1965 Ernakkampattu . Ranganatha temple 1983

Ramanatbapuram District I. Kunnakudi . . • . Rock-cut temples 1921 ! Salem District 1. Chinnakavundanur . ' . . Temple on the hill 1921 2. Namakkal . . • . Temples of Sri Narasimhaswami and Srj Rang? nathas wa mi 1912 3. Adamancottah . Chenn?rayap©rumal temple 1966 South Arcot District I. Dalavanur . Rock-cut Pallava temple 1921 2. •Ginjee . . . . . Venugopala temple 1921 3. Do. . Kama!akanniamnan temple 1921 4. Do. . Ranganathc Temple 1921 5. Do. . Venk^.teratnana temple 1921 Do. . . . . Two Temples 1921 7. Kil . . . Pallava rock-cut shrine 1921 *. Mandagapattu • . . Rock-cut Pallava temple 1921 9. Narasinga ra ya npetai . P?.ttabirama temple 1921 10. Srimushnam . . Nitisw°.rr.swami temple 1922 11. Panamlai . . . Talagirisvara temple 1963 Thanjavur District 1. Chattram D?.rsuram . Airavatesvarar temple 1954 2 . Thanjavur . The greit temple 1922 97 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 98 __—

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Tirochirappalli/Puddukkotai District

1. jA^nmankurichi • . . Siva temple 1951 ‘ Ariyur . . Siva temple Do* 3.' jChettipatti . Ruined Jain temple Do;

4. Chittur . Sarangatheeswara temple known as #v ThiruvagneeswaVar temple Do*. 5. Devarmalai . . Rock-cut Siva sfirine Do. 6: Gangaikonda-Cholapuram . Brihadisvc.ra temple 1942 (hamlet cf Kuruvalappar Kovii) 7. Irumbanadu . Kalabham Udaiyar temple 1951 8. Do. . Siva temple Do. 9. Do. . Soundararajapefumaf temple Do. 10. Kannanur . Balasubrahmanya tertiple " Do. 11. Kilaiyur . Ruined Siva temple Do. 12. Keelathanayam . Uttamadaniswara temple Do. 13. Kiranur . Utta mana thr.svami Siva temple Do. 14. Kodumbalur . Mucukundeswara temple Do. 15. Kodumbalur . Remains of the structural temple Do. 16. Kudumiyamalai . Amman shrine Do. 17. Do. . Rock-cut shrine called Melakkovil Do. 18. Do. . Sikhanathaswami temple Do. 19. Kunnandarkovil . Rock-cut Siva cave temple Do. 20. Letchumanpatti . Remains of Jain Temple Do. 21. Malaiyakkovil . . Two rock-cut shrines Do. 22, Malayadipatti . Rock-cut Siva Temple Do. (Pallava 8 th century A.D.) 23 Malayadipatti . Rock-cut Vishnu cave temple Do. 24 Ma ngattevanpatti . Ruins of a Jain shrine Do. 25, Mangudj . Siva and Pillayar temples Do. 26. Melanilaivayal . . Melanilaipatti, Mannandar pillar temple Do. 27. Melur ♦ Relics of the old Jain temple Do. 28. Mylappati . Remains of the temple Do. 29. Nangupatti . Tirupperumanadar temple called Do. Modattukovil * 30. £Jartham?lai . Rock-cut Siva femple called Paliyili Iswaram Do. 31. Narathamalai . Group of sub-shrines DO. 32. Nirpalani . Siva temple DC. 33. panangudi . Siva temple DO. 34. Dc*-. . Vishnu temple DO. 35. Ponnamaravathi . Rajendracholiswaram temple Do* 36. .Rasipuram . Siva temple Do. 37. Puvalakkudi . Rock-cut shrine of Fushpavaneswara Do. 38. ' Sevalur . Sri Bumiswaraswami temple Do. 39. Sittanna vasal . Rock-cut Jain Temple (Ariver Koil) DO. 40. Suriyur . Tiruvilangudi Siva temple Do. 41. Tennangudi . Siva temple Do, 42; 1 Tirukkalambur . Sanctum of the old Siva temple Do. 43. Tirukkattalai . Sundaresvara temple* with -seven Do. sub-shrines 44. Tirumayam . Rock-cut Siva templfc Satyagirisvara shrine Do. 45. Do. . Rock-cut Vishnu temple Satyamurti shrine Do. 99 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers loo

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46. Tirappur • • • Choliswara Udayar temple 1951 47, Tiruverumbur • ♦ . Siva (Erumbeswaraswami) temple 1914 48* Valikandapuram . Siva temple 1910 49m Varappur . Siva temple 1951 50L Vellanur . Agastisvara temple Do. 51. Do. . Kailasanatha temple Do. 52. Visalur • Siva temple Do. 53. Todaiyur . Todaiyur Siva temple E>o. 54. Narthamalai • ♦ . Rock-out Vishnu shrine Do. TinraelveH District 1. Sermadevi • • . Bakthavasala temple 1921 2r Tirumalapuram • * . Two rock-cut temples 1922 3. Tiruvaliswaram . • . Valiswarar temple 1910

TRIPURA

South Tripura 1. Radha Kishorcpur . Gunavati groups of temples 1953 2. Udaipur . Temple of Chaturdasha Devata 1953 3. Rajnagar • • . Bhubaneswari temple 1953 UTTAR PRADESH Agra District 1. Jagner . Gwal Baba Temple 1915 Aligarh District 1, Hathras Khas . • H , Old Hindu Temple 1920 Almora District 1. Baijnath or Vaidyanath • Group of ancient temples 1920 2. Champawat . Group of Balesvar temple 1916 3, Dwarhat , •. Badrinath group of temples 1915 4. Do. m # . Bandeo temple Do. 5,. Do. . Gujardeo temple Do. 6. Do. . * . Kancheri group of temples Do. 7. Do. . Kutumbari temple Do* 8 . Do. . Maniyam group of temples Do. 9. Do. « . Mritunjaya group Do. 10. Do. . Ratan Deo Shrines Do. 11. Gangoli Hat * • Remains of a few old temples 1925 12, Katarmal « . . Surya temple Do. 13. Kotli and Candhak Gunth . Dandeshwar temple 1915 14. Phulai Gunth „ . . Chandi-ka-temple 1915 15. Do. . . Jageswar temple 1915 16. Do. . Kuber temple 1915 17. Do. . Mritunjaya temple 1915 18. Do. . * . Nanda Devi or Nau Durga 1915 19. Do. . Navagrah Shrine 1915 20. Do. * • . Pyramidal shrine 1915 21. Do. . Shrine dedicated to Surya 1915 22. Taili Hat, M. Katyur . Three temples of the Indo-Aryan Sikhra type 1920 101 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 102

1 2 3 4 Banda District !. Bargarh . Temple 1924 2. Barha-Kotra . Remains of temple 1920 3. Barha-Kotra . Small temple Do. 4. Birpur . Chandella temple Do. 5. Dedhwa, Garampur and Manpur Old Chandella temple Do. 6. Gonda . Two Chandella temples Do. 1. Gulrampur . Remains of two temples Do. 8 . Kalinjar . Linga temple of Nilakantha Do. 9. Do. . Temples of Mahadeo Do, 10. Karwi . Stone ternple Do. 11. Do. . . . . Temple Do. 12. Koh . Old Jain temple Do, 13. Lauri or Lokhari . Ruins of some Jain temples Do. 14. Marpha . Three ruined Jain temples and one ruined Hindu temple Do. 15. Mau . Two ruined temples Do. 16. Pura, close to the village of Ruins of a l?.rge linga temple Do. Hatover 17. Ramnagar . Remains of a large temple Do. 18. Do. . Chandella temple Do. 19. Rasin . Disused temple of Devi Chandra Mahesvari Do. 20. Do. . . . . Teninle of Chandi Mahesvari Do.

Bulandshahar District 1. Aurangabad Chandok . Ruins of an old temple 1920 2. Dankaur . Ancient temple 1920 Dehra Dun District 1. Hanoi or Onol . Temple sacred to Mahasu 1920 2. Lakha Mandal • Temple 1909 Deoria District 1. Kahaon (ancient Kakubha) . Two ruined temples 1920 Etab District 1. Mala wan . Remains of an old temple 1920 2. Soron . Sita Ramji’s temple 1920

Fatehpur District 1. Bahua . Temple 1909 Kurari . Four temples Do. 3. Saton . Ruined temple Do. 4. Sirhar-Amauli . Two brick temples 1920 5. Thithaura . Two temples 1909 6. Tindauli . Temple Do. Chamoli District 1. Adbadri * Remains of Sixteen temples 1920 2. Pandukeshwar . Two temples 1942 3. Gopeshwar . Rudernath temple 1962 103 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers?* • 104 —-—. 1 2 3 4 Hamirpur District 1. Akona . Four Chandella temples '1920 2. Chama . Ruins of two granite temples Do. 3. Chuka . Ruined temple 1924 4. Kabraia . ; . Ruined Chandella temple 1920 5. Mahoba . Temple of Khakra-Math Do. 6. Makarbai . Makarbai temple Do. 7. Do. . Ruins of a large granite temple. Do, 8. Mohari . Two ruined granite temples Do. 9. Rahilya . Rahilya temple 1919 10. Rawatpur . Large ruined temple 192G 11. Do. . Smaller temple Do. 12. Sijari . Sijari temple 1919 13. Srinagar . Ruins of a large Chandella temple 1920 14. Sukura . Brahma nical temple Do. 15. Do. . J&iu temple Do. 16. Ur war a . Temple Do. Hardoi District 1. Kherwa and Majhgaon . Small ruined temple 1920 Jhansi District 1. Bengama . Ruins of a large temple 1920 2. Banpur . Dilapidated Bundela temple Do. 3. Banpur . Jain Temple Do 4. Barwasagar . Chandel temple 1928 5. Bhadona . Three temples 1920 6. Bharauli . Temple of Chandella period Do 7. Budhni . Temple of Sun god Do. 8. Chandpur . Jain Temples 1917 9. Do. . Small temple in the Jungle 1917 10. Do. . Ruined shrines. Dp; 11. Do. . Vishnu and Lakshmi Narayan Dp. 12. Do. . Vishnu temple Do. 13. DaulatPur . Shrine 1920 14. Deogarh . Gupta temple 19J7 15. Do. . Jain temples in Deogarh fort D6 16. Do. . Large temple 1920 17. Do. . Varc.ha temple 1918 18. Dhongoul . Sikhara-roofed temple 1920 19. Do. . Small temple 1924 20. Do. . Temple of Bhauani Do. 21. Dhongra . Small temple of Sankhanath Do. 22. Dudhai . Jain temples 1917 23. Do. . Temples * Do. 24. Do. . Two small temples 1920 25. Garha Khera . . Two temples Do. 26. Gharao . Northern temple Do. 27. Do. . Temple dedicated to Vishnu Do. 28. Khojra . Sikhara-roofed temple Do. 29. Kishni Khurd . . Remains of a Chhandella temple. Do. 30. Kuchdon • Kurp.iya Bir temple 1917 31. Madanpur * Jain group of temples 192 .32,. Do. • * . Large temple Do. 105 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 106

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33. Madanpui . Temple of Mahadeva 1920 34.; Do. . Temples 1920 35* Do. . Two small temples 1920 36. Marha . Remains of an old Cha.ndella temple Do. 37. Do. . Temple Do. 38. Markhera . Ruinei temple Do. 39. Do. . Temple Do. 40. Do. . Temple site Do. 41. Paohwar a(Gahi as) . Chandel temple Do. 42; Pali . Temple of Nilkantha Do. 43. Patha-Sagauli . Ruins of ?. large Chandella temple Do. 44. Sarar . Chandel temple 1928 45. Satgato . Remains of a large Vishnu temple 1920 46. Sirwabarao. . Ruined temple Do. 47. Sonrai . Temple Do. 48. Surabad . Small temple Do. 49. Vijapur . Temple of Mahadeva Do. Kanpur District

1. Bhitargaoti . Ancient brick temple 1909 2. Bihupur . Temple known as Phulmati Devi Do. 3. Kanchilipuf . Ancient brick temple 1920 4. Khurda . Two ancient brick temples Do. 5. Parauli . Temple known as Mahadeo Baba 1909 6. Bhadwara . Brick temple at Nebiya Khera 1968 Lucknow District

1. Tikaitganj . Temple 1917

Mathura District h Bhadar « • . Temple of Madan Mohan 1924 2; Do. . Temple of Radha Ballabh 1910 3. Brindavan . Govind Jis temple Do. Mirzapur District

1. Ahugi . Remains of three small linga temples 1924 2. Do. . Ruins of a Saiva temple Do. 3. Vindhyachal . Kharasthi Devi, remains of a medieval temple 1920 Naini Tal District

1. Sitaban . Old temple sacred to Sita 1924 Rai Bareli District

1. Rajmau . Siva temple 1983 Suhanpor District

1. Bhagupura . • • Group of ruined brick temples 192i 107 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers IDg

WEST BENGAL STATE

1 2 3 4 Bankura District 1. Bahulara . Ancient temple 1919 2. Dihar . Sajleswar temple 1914 3. Do. Sareswar temple 1914 4. Chatgoria . Temple of Radha Damodar Jew 1926 5. Taganuathpur . . Temple of Ratneswar 1926 6. Madanpur . Temple of Shyam Sundar 1928 7. Vishnupur . Jora Mandir 1914 8. Do. . Jore Bungla temple 1913 9. Do. . Kala Chand temple 1914 10. Do. . Lalji temple 1914 11. Do. , . Madan Gopal temple 1913 12. Do. . Madanmohan temple 1913 13. Dc. . Malleswar temple 1914 14. Dc. . Muraljmohan temple 1914 15. Do. . Nanda Lai temple 1914 16. Do. . Patpur temple 1927 17. Do. . Radhabinod temple 1914 18. Do. . Radhagobinda temple 1914 19. Do. . Radhamadhab temple 1914 20. Do. . Radhashyam temple 1914 21* Do. . Shyam Rai temple 1914 Birbbum District 1. Joydeb Kenduli . Temple of Radha Binod 1915 2m Kubilashpur . Temple of Dharamaraj 1938 3. Nanoor . Temple of Br.suli and 14 other temples 1918 4. Suri . Temple 1906 Burdwan District 1. Baidyapur . Two ancient temples 1913 2. Bamunara . Rudreswar temple 1913 3. Beguma . Group of four ancient temples 1914 4, Deulia . Jain brick temple 1962 5. Garui . Stone temple 1924 6. Gourangapur . Temple of Ichai Ghosh 1915 7. Kalna . Group of temples 1965 Hoogly District 1. Guptipara * . Group of temples 1913 2. Bansberia . Hameesvari temple 1964 3. Bansberia . Vasudeva temple 1964 4. Bansberia . Tribeni Shrme 1908 Murshidabad District 1. Baranagar . Bhavanisvar Mandir 1942 2. Do. . Char Bangla group of four Siva Mandirs 1942 Nadia District 1. Palpara . Temple 1915 24-Parganas District 1. Jhater Deul . . . . Temple 1916 109 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 110

CLEARANCE OF IRRIGATION PRO­ (ii) Consolidation and demarcation of JECTS IN MADHYA PRADESH boundaries started in 1980. So far *39. SHRI S. B. SINGH : Will the 6250 Kms. consolidated. Works Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND in about 250 kms. in progress. FORESTS be pleased to state : (iii) Patrolling in vulnerable area in­ (a) whether the Government have tensified. cleared Sutia medium and Amdania Diver­ NEWS ITEM “U.S. CONGRESS MAN sion projects in the district of Rajnand- REPORTS INDIA ON THE BRINK OF gaon in Madhya Pradesh from forest angle; AN AIDS CATASTROPHE” 56. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: (b) if not, the reasons therefor; and Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (c) the time by which the projects are FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to refer likely to be cleared ? to the news item captioned “US Congress­ THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE man reports India on the brink of an MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND AIDS catastrophe” appearing in the Indian FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) Express, New Delhi dated 10 June, 1991 ?o (c) For non-furnishing of essential in­ and State : formation by the State Government of (a) the facts of the case as ascertained Madhya Pradesh, the Sutiapat Reservoir by the Government; and projects stands rejected. Amdania Pro­ (b) the steps being taken to control the ject has been approved, under the Forests epidemic ? Conservation Act 1980 subject to transfer and mutation of non-forest land and de­ THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE positing fund in favour of State Forest MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Department for raising compensatory WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA afforestation. DEVI) : (a) and (b) A US Congressman FORESTS COVER IN KERALA who visited India in April, 1991 has esti­ mated that one million persons may be in­ *40. SHRI V. S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: fected. He has based his estimation on Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT the prevelance of infection among prosti­ AND FORESTS be pleased to state : tutes and spread of infection to their (a) the area covered by natural forests clients in Bombay. Also reckoning the in Kerala; spread of HIV infection through contami­ nated blood and through sharing of (b) whether the Union Government are needles by intravenous drug users, ,the aware of large scale deforestation in the Congressman has estimated that one mil­ State; and lion may be infected. (c) if so, the steps being taken to check Government of India with the help of mass destruction of forests in Kerala ? WHO assistance has formulated an action THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE plan for undertaking prevention and con­ MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND trol measures in the most affected States, FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : Viz: Maharashtra, Tamilnadu, West (a) The total extent of natural forests in Benal, Delhi and Manipur. The control Kerala is 7870 Sq. Kms. measures relate to :— (b) No large scale destruction of forests — Information, education and com­ has been reported by the State Govern­ munication. ment. Illicit fellings as and when detected — Sexaully Transmittde diseases. have been booked. (c) The Government of Kerala have — Blood Safety. taken following steps to control illicit — Clinical Management. fellings :— — Programme Management. (i) Reorganisation of beats and sections into 24 hours fully staffed and The World Health Organization has equipped forest stations. agreed to provide assistance for financing I l l Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 312

the Action Plans in Maharashtra, Tamil- on January, 1991 is given in the attachec nadu, West Bengal, Manipur and Union statement. Ten?t°,r>’ of Due1^- T'he a"“ ear- (c) to (e) Under Section 20(3) of the marked for each State are as under : in,cr-State Migrant Workmen (Regulation State Amounts US S (in lakhs) of Employment and Conditions of Service) Act, 1979, State Governments can appoint 1. Maharashtra 4.45 Inspectors for exercising powers of inspec 2i Manipur 0.63 {lon as specified in Section 20(2) in othei States where migrant workmen are em- 3. Tamil nadu 2.87 ployed. However, this power can be exer- 4. West Bengal 3 67 cised only with the ccmcurrence of the recipient State or the Central Government 5. Delhi 1.42 as the case may be. The Act does not _ provide for opening of offices of welfare MIGRANT LABOUR one State Government in the jurisdic 58. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN : tion of the other States. Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased . , r . f , to state * prime responsibility for implemen­ tation of the Act rests with the respective (a) the names of States/Union Terri- State Governments. The provisions of tones with large quantum of migrant Section 20(3), however, have not been labour from other States/Union Terri- utilised so far because of the unwillingness tories; of the recipient State Governments to give /, v . . , , . , any concurrence to the appointment oi (b) the estimated quantum of such T . . . . JT . . . i a m x Inspectors bv originating States, labour on 1 April, 1991 statewise as well as by State of origin; As per the direction dated 16th July. (c) the names of States where the Bihar 1990 o£ the Supreme Court in Writ Peti- Government have established offices to tions Nos. 511 and 975 of 1988 every look after the welfare of Bihari labour: State and Union Territory in India is obliged to permit officers of originating (d) the names of States, if any, which State of migrant labour to hold proper have not allowed Bihar to open such offi- enquiries within the limits of the recipient an^ States for enforcement of the Statue and (e) the view of the Central Government the recipient States have been debased in this regard ? from placing any embargo or hindrance in THF mtmtqtfi? ae cTATr ^ TWIJ such processes. This order of the Supreme N l^ R Y O^ I ASuR fsHRI K C°Urt haS beC" “ m™"icated *> aU the » J(S™1 * State Governments and Union Territories. RAMAMURTHY) : (a) and (b) The ^available reports from some of the State As per report from the Government of Govemments/Union Territories indicating Bihar it has not appointed any Inspectors the number of working migrant Labour as under Section 20(3) in recipient States. NAMES OF STATES/UNION TERRITORIES WHH LARGE QUANTUM OF MIGRANT LABOUR FROM OTHER STATES/UNION TERRITORIES. ______States/U^ion TcrriiOri^s No. of woiking Migrant Labour 1. Kerala ! ! ] . ! ] ” - - - - ] T 2500 2. Haryana ...... *650 3. Manipur . 2000 4. PanajilGoa) 1159 5. West Bengal . . . 2710 * (in 1989) 6. Uttar Pradesh 1110 7* Maharashtra ...... 2037 %. K a r n a t a k a ...... 1253 9. Assam ...... 9331 113 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 114

ENGINEERING COLLEGE FOR WO­ (c) whether the Government propose to MEN AT PUNE install a common effluent treatment plants 59. SHRI RAM NAIK : Will the Minis­ for a number for units, if so, by when; ter of HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOP­ and MENT be pleased to state : (d) if not, the reasons therefor ? (a) whether Government propose to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE start an Engineering College for women at MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Pune; and FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) (b) if so, the details thereof and the No subsidies have been given to individual decision taken thereon ? small scale drug units in Northern India THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ for installing pollution control equipment. SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRJ (b) Small scale units including bulk ARJUN SINGH) : (a) and fb) The All drug units whose liquid effluents meet the India Council for Technical Education quality prescribed in the notified standards (AICTE), on the recommendations of its do not require additional treatment. Western Regional Committee, has approv­ (c) No, Sir. ed the proposal of the Government of (d) The Central Government has for­ Maharashtra for establishment of the mulated a scheme for the promotion of Maharshi Karve Institute for Science & construction of common effluent treatment Technology for Women, Pune under the plants, for treating liquid effluents from aegies of the Hingne Stree Shikshan Sans- clusters of small-scale industrial units in tha on no grant basis for conducting the the country, whereby the Central and degree courses in (i) Electronics & Tele­ State Governments would bear 50% of communication Engg.; (ii) Computer Engi­ the total cost of the plant subject to the neering; and (iii) Instrument Control assistance not exceeding Rs. 50 lakhs. Engineering with an intake of 60 students TRIBAL POPULATION IN ANDAMAN per year in each course. 61. SHRI GOVTNDRAO NIKAM : EFFLUENT TREATMENT PLANTS IN­ Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleas­ STALLED BY DRUG UNITS ed to state : 60. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: Will (a) whether the tribal population of the the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND Andaman Islands is decreasing; FORESTS be pleased to state : (a) the details of subsidies granted to (b) if so, the details thereof; and basic small scale drug units in Northern (c) the steps the Government propose India and especially in Haryana for instal­ to take for the survival of these tribes ? ling equipments to control water and air THE MINISTER OF WELFARE pollution; (SHRI SITARAM KESRI): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) the various other alternatives avail­ A comparison of figures reported in 1961, able for small scale bulk drug units whose 1971 & 1981 census reveals that the 'popu­ effluents discharge are within permissible lation of one tribal community i.e. Onges limits; is decreasing.

(b) SI. No. Name of the Scheduled Tribes Population figures as ptr census 1961 1971 1981

1. Andamanese, Chariar, Char, Kora, Tabo, Bo, Yere Kedo, Bea, Kaluwa, Bojigiyab, Jawai, Kol . 19 24 42 2. J a r w a s ...... — — 31 3. Nicabarese...... 13903 17874 21956 4. Onges ...... 129 112 97 5. S h o m p e n s ...... 71 92 223 Total S.T. Population 14122 18102 . 22349 115 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers lltf

(c) Government is administering various Centre and 50% contribution from States health care schemes including hygiene, en­ in districts with significant tribal popula­ vironmental sanitation and nutrition for tion. promoting the survival of the declining tribes. STRIKE BY N.D.M.C. EMPLOYEES

SOCIAL, ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL 63. SHRI DHARMANNA MONDAY- DEVELOPMENT OF TRIBAL AREAS YA SADUL: 62. SHRI RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI : SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN : Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleas­ ed to state : Will the Minister of URBAN DEVE­ LOPMENT be pleased to state : (a) the details of the schemes for the (a) whether there was a strike during social, economic and political development of the tribal areas and the results achiev­ the last week of June 1991 by a section ed so far; of NDMC employees in protest against non implementation of Shankar Commit­ (b) whether the Government propose tee Report: to construct hostels for tribal students in each district; and (b) whether as a result of the strike, water in NDMC areas was disrupted re­ (c) if so, the details thereof ? sulting hardship to the people:

THE MINISTER OF WELFARE (c) the demands which have not been (SHRI SITARAM KESRI) : (a) For implemented in the case of striking em­ social-economic development of Scheduled ployees: Tribes in tribal areas the Tribal sub-Plan (d) the steps taken or proposed to be strategy has been adopted. The Tribal taken to implement the recommendations Sub-Plan is being implemented in 18 of the Committee ? States and 2 Union Territories. Under Tribal Sub-Plan strategy, priority is given THE MINISTER OF STATE OF TOE to the sectors like agriculture, horticulture, MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ animal Husbandary, soil conservation, MENT ((SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : rural development, co-operaion, minor (a) Yes, Sir. irrigation, education, health, drinking (b) Water supply in some localities of water supply, rural electrification, etc. NDMC area was disrupted on account of -Central/Centrally Sponsored Schemes for the strike. tribal development of the Ministry of Wel­ fare include Special Central Assistance (c) and (d) The NDMC has reported for Tribal Sub-Plan, ashram schools in that they have not conceded the demand Tribal Sub-Plan area, development of oil of striking employees that Shive Shankaran and oils of tree and forest origin in tribal Committee Pay Scale be extended to the areas, aid to voluntary organisations en­ left out categories of NDMC and the strike gaged in welfare and development of was unconditionally called off in the after­ Scheduled Tribes, post matric scholarship, noon on 29th June by the workers. book bank, coaching and allied schemes, etc. The Scheduled Tribe families eco­ REVIEW OF FAMILY PLANNING nomically assisted in the 7th Plan period PROGRAMME are 52.88825 as against a target of 64. SHRI DHARMANNA MONDA- 4155726 families. Seats in the Lok Sabha YYA SADUL: Will the Minister of and State Legislative Assemblies have been HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be reserved for Scheduled Tribes according to pleased to state : their population. (a) whether the Government propose to (b) and (c) The locations are decided review the implementation of Faiflily by the State Governments. Under the Welfare Programmes throughout the Centrally Sponsored Scheme, hostels for country; ISeheduled Tribe boys and girls are con­ structed with 50% contribution from the (b) if so, the details thereof: 117 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 < SAKA) Written Answers 11&

(c) whether the implementation of the sultation with State Governments. Based Family Welfare Programmes during the on such review's, the strategy for its im­ last two years was very slow; if so, the plementation is modified from time to reasons therefor; and time, in keeping with the requirements. The strategy involves strengthening of in­ (d) the deficiencies brought to the frastructure, improving the quality of notice of the Union Government by the services, improved information, education State Governments and concrete proposals and communication activities, greater em­ likely to be adopted for effective imple­ phasis on maternal and child health care, mentation of the programmes during the better arrangements for supply and distri­ next two years ? bution of contraceptives etc. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) The performance of the programme MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY on an all India basis, under various WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA methods of contraception, during the last DEVI) : (a), (b) and (d) For ensuring two years, is given in the attached state­ effective implementation of the Family ment. Lower performance in different Welfare Programme in the country, the States/UTs can be attributable to disturb­ programme is periodically reviewed on ed conditions, vacancies of F.W. staff at the basis of field experience and in con­ different levels, etc. t a r g e t s a n d achievements in r e spe c t o f f .p. m e t h o d s d u r in g 1989-90 & 1990-91- ALL-INDIA (Figures in 000 s) Methods Targets Achievements* % Achiewnunts of Targets 1989-90 1990-91 1989-90 1990-91 1989-90 1990-91 Sterilisations 5449 5804 4181 4122 76.7 71.0 IUD Insertions. 5253 6400 4937 5322 94.0 83-2 C.C. Use rs(Eq.) 14016 15080 14186 14707 101.2 97.5 O.P. UsersCEq.) 2094 2493 2740 3107 130.9 124.6 ^Figures Provisional PERMISSION OF RBI FOR MAINTE­ Council sanctions maintenance grant to NANCE ALLOWANCE BY INDIAN scholars in Indian currency to undertake COUNCIL OF HISTORICAL RE­ research abroad. Scholars who are sanc­ SEARCH tioned such grants have themselves to ap­ ply to the Reserve Bank of India for 65. DR. LAXMIN AR AY AN PANDEY: foreign exchange under the Foreign Ex­ Wilf the Minister of HUMAN RE­ change regulation Act, 1973. SOURCE DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : EFFICACY OF CHOLERA VACCINE (a) whether Indian Council of Histori­ 66. SHRI MANORANJAN SUR : Will cal Research is required to take permis­ the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY sion of the Reserve Bank of India to sanc­ WELFARE be pleased to state : tion maintenance allowance in foreign a) whether the efficacy of currently currency; and available cholera vaccine has been serious­ (b) if so. the reasons thereof? ly questioned by medical experts; (b) if so, details thereof; THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI (c) whether a large number of people ARJUN SINGH) : (a) and (b) Accord­ have been innoculated with cholera vac­ ing to the information furnished by the cines this year, if so, the details thereof: Indian Council of Historical Research, the State-wise; 119 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 120

(d) whether Oral Rehydration Therapy THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE has not been properly promoted and there MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND is a scarcity of ORS packets in the market; FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) :. (a) and The Union Government has entered into an agreement with the World Bank to pro­ (e) if so, the measures taken to remedy vide financial assistance amounting to the situation ? 147.4 million US $ for an Industrial Pol­ lution Control Project. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA (b) There are two types of lending by DEVI) : (a) Yes, Sir. the World Bank under the project : (1) credit by the International Development (b) The efficacy of the presently avail­ Association (IDA) and (2) loan by the able cholera vaccine is only 30% to International Bank for Reconstruction and 50% &stiftg for 3 to 6 months. The em­ Development (IBRD). The terms and phasis in cholera control is more on adop­ conditions of lending by IDA are : (1) tion of Hygienic practices and not on Zero per cent rate of interest (2) 0.75% cholera immunization. service charges (3) ten years grace period and (4) thirty five years maturity. -The (c) No Sir, only sporadic immunization terms and conditions of IBRD lending have been given in some parts of the a re : (1) variable rate of interest (cur­ country. Cholera immunization is not rently about 7.75%), (2) commitment recommended as a public health measure. charges of 0.25%, (3) Five years grace period and (4) fifteen years maturity. (d) Oral Rehydration Therapy is being promoted in all States/UTs as a Part of the strategy to prevent deaths due to diar­ (c) The project includes provision of rhoea. There is no scarcity of ORS loans to large and medium scale indus­ packets in the market tries for pollution control and for setting * up of common effluent treatment plants (e) Question does not arise. for clusters of small-scale industrial units. WORLD BANK AID POLLUTION CON­ TROL MEASURES (d) Industries are required to meet the standards prescribed for discharge of efflu- 67. SHRI M. V. CHANDRASHEKARA ents/emissipns within a specified time­ MURTHY : frame. The availability of loans through the financial institutions would facilitate SHRI V. SREENIVASA PRASAD: the industries in meeting these standards. Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state : EXTENSION OF FOREST AREAS

(a) whether the Union Government 68. SHRI PRAKASH V. PAUL : Will have obtained a loan of Rs. 280 crore from the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND the World Bank so as to provide finan­ FORESTS be pleased to state : cial assistance to big and small industrial units for pollution control measures; (a) whether the Union Government (b) the details of the terms and condi­ propose to implement any plan on national tions under which loan has been obtained level to accelerate the process of etxension from the World Bank; of forests; and (c) if so, the details of the such indus­ (b) if so, the outline of such a plan ? tries to which financial assistance has been provided; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (d) the extent to which the industries FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) are likely to effectively control pollution and (b) There is no such plan to be im­ by such assistance ? plemented at the moment. 121. Written A nswers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Ansvsers 122

PROGRAMME TO COVER CITIZENS (a) whether Government have conduct­ UNDER FAMILY WELFARE PROG­ ed any survey regarding shortage of resi­ dential units in Delhi at present; RAMMES (b) the number of additional units re­ 69. SHRI ASHOK ANANDRAO DESH- quired every year for increased population, M U KH : Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to (c) the total number of residential units state : constructed and allotted during the last (a) whether any programme is ' being three years by the DDA; arid undertaken by the Government to cover all the eligible couples under the Family (d) the steps being taken by Govern­ Welfare Programme; ment for solving the housing problem in Delhi. (b) if so, the details thereof; and

(c) the percentage of different com­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE munities who have adopted this pro­ MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ gramme ? MENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : THE MINISTRY OF STATE IN THE (a) No specific survey has been conduct­ MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY ed, however, the DDA has estimated that WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA there is a shortage of about 4.5 lacs resi­ DEVI) : (a) and (b) The Family Wel­ dential units in Delhi at the end of Seventh fare Programme is being implemented* in plan. the country on a purely voluntary basis and all-out efforts are made through edu­ (b) According to the master plan for cation, motivation and persuation to bring Delhi Perspective-2001 approximately within its fold, as many eligible couples 87000 dwelling units are required per as possible. Couple Protection Rate year to cater to the increasing population. (CPR) reached as on 31st March, 1991 (c) The total number of flats construct­ is estimated at 44.1%. As per Demogra­ ed/allotted during the last three years are phic Goals set out in the National Health given in the attached statement. Policy, 60% Couple Protection Rate is to be reach<5d by 2000 A.D. (d) The steps taken for solving housing (c) According to the Third All-India problem in Delhi include :— Family. Planning Survey conducted during (1) An Action Plan has been chalked 1988-89, among the married couples of out in order to step up the pace of various religious groups, 41% of Hindus, construction of houses and develop­ 61% of Sikhs, 29% of Muslims and ment of plots. 46% of other religions were estimated to be using any modern family planning (2) Special thrust has been given to method. At All India level, the usage rate allot plots to maximum number of was 40%. Coop. Group Housing. Societies in Papankalam /Narela. HOUSING PROBLEM IN DELHI 70. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : (3) Various steps have been taken in Will the Minister of URBAN DEVELOP­ pursuance of the National Housing MENT be pleased to state : Policy to promote housing activity. 123 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 12^

Statement The details of flats constructed/allotted by the DDA during the last three years are under:—

Sl.No. Year No. of fiats No. of flats constructed allotted*

1. 1988-89 ...... 23,931 32,147 2. 1989-90 ...... 21,012 25,445 3. 1990-91 ...... 8,846 15,092

In addition, 1356 flats were constructed/allotted during the last three years by the Slum department under Special Housing Registration Scheme, 1985. *The figures of allotted units include those flats taken up for construction in the previous years and available for allotment during relevant years.

JHUGGI COLONIES IN CHANDIGARH IMPACT OF EFFLUENTS ON MAR1NF LIFE IN NORTH BIHAR 71, SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL : will the Minister of URBAN DEVELOP­ 72. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD MENT be pleased to state : SINGH : Will the Minister of ENVIRON MENT AND FORESTS be pleased to (a) the number of houses and the total state : population staying in the various jhuggi colonies in Chandigarh; (a) whether the Government are aware of spread of epidemic and dying of fishes (b) the number of such colonies which and other marine forms of life due to the are without electricty and water connec­ discharge of effluents into the river from Sugar mills and distilleries units in North tions; and Bihar; and (c) the steps Government intend to take (b) if so, the corrective measures taken for improving the living conditions of the therefor ? people in such colonies ? THE MINISTRER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) MENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : No such report is available with the Go­ (a) According to the information received vernment. from the Union Territory Administration of Chandigarh, the number of houses in (b) Does nott arise. However, a time- Jhuggis/labour colonies is 19210 and the bound action plan for control of pollution total population of such colonies is 93890 from Sugar mills and distilleries has been prepared in consultation with the State Government. A notification has also been (b) Street lighting and water stand issued under which the major polluting posts have been provided in these colonies: units are required to meet the prescribed and standards by December 31, 1991. (c) The Administration intends to im­ DR. B. R. AMBEDKAR BIRTH CENTE­ prove the living conditions of the residents NARY SAMAROH SAMITI in such colonies by provision of facilities such as safe drinking water, street lighting, 73. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : dispensaries, Sulabh Sauchalayas and ser­ Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleas­ viced sites. ed to state : 125 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 126

(a) whether sub-committee of Bharat (a) the targets and achievements made Ratna Dr. B. R. Ambedkar Birth Centen­ in the Family Welfare Programme in ary Samaroh Samiti have suggested certain Orissa during 1990-91; and recommendations during ‘social justice year* for the upliftment of scheduled (b) the financial assistance provided for castesyscheduled tribes; and its implementation during 1990-91 and the percentage of utilisation thereof ? (b) if so, the steps taken by the Gov­ ernment so far in this regard ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF WELFARE (SHRI MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY SITARAM KESRI) : (a) Yes, Sir. WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA DEVI) : (a) A statement containing tar­ (b) The Sub-Committee on Economic gets and achievements in respect of Family Development sent its Recommendations to Welfare Programme in Orissa State during Government on 21 June, 1991. These 1990-91 is attached. will be placed before the Standing Com­ mittee for Centenary Celebrations of Dr. t^b) During 1990-91 an assistance B. R. Ambedkar. amounting to Rs. 28.44 crores (Both cash FAMILY WELFARE PROGRAMME IN and in Kind) has been provided to the Government of Orissa for implementation ORISSA of the Family Welfare Programme. As 74. SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN : per the information received from the Will the Minister of HEALTH AND Orissa State, the expenditure incurred by FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state : them during that year is Rs. 34.11 crores. Statement

TARGETS AND ACHIEVEMENTS MADE UNDER THE FAMILY WELFARE PRO­ GRAMME IN ORISSA DURING 1990-91 Family Planning Mehtods/MCH Activities Targets Achievements 1990-91 1990-91 (April, 90 to March, 91) I. FAMILY PLANNING METHODS (i) Sterilisations ...... 220,000 142,329 200,000 164,442 (iii) C.C. Users . . 291,600 300,761 (iv) O.P. Users ...... 53,900 63,279 II. MCH ACTIVITIES A. Immunisation (i) Tetanus Immunisation for expectant mothers . 900,010 7 45,917 (ii) D Pr Immunisation for children .... 794.130 743 .292 794.130 742858 (iv) B.C.G...... 794.130 825,513 (v) M e a s l e s ...... 794.130 697,532 (vi) DT Immunisation for Children • 608.830 780, m* (vii)T.T. (10 y e a r s ) ...... 582,360 585,2(^ (viir) T.T. (16 Y e a r s ) ...... 608.830 499,8S( B. PropMaxis against Nutritional anaemia among 720,000 820,647 1,79,200 1,601,923 C. P. aphlyaxis against blindness due to Vitamin 'A' defici­ ency ...... 1,795,600 3,293,554 ©Provisional 5—545 LSS/91 1127 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 128

DEVELOPMENT WORKS IN KAROL MENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) ; BAGH, DELHI (a) Yes, Sir.

75. SHRI KALKA DAS: Will the, (b) As per the attached Statement. Minister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: (c) to (f) Development works in regu­ larised unauthorised colonies have been (a) whether some colonies of Karol taken up in phases depending upon avail­ Bagh area in Delhi have been declared ability of funds. Municipal Corporation regularised; of Delhi has reported that the following (b) if so, the details thereof alongwith works are in progress in these unauthoris­ dates and notification Nos. of each colony; ed regularised colonies :— (c) whether develof>ment works have (i) Construction of approach roads. been undertaken in these colonies; (ii) Pavement of internal roads/lanes. (d) if so, the details thereof and the amount incurred thereon, item-wise; (iii) Construction of Storm Water/sul- lage drains. (e) whether some development works are likely to be taken; and (iv) Construction/improvement of parks. (f) if so, the details thereof and the During the years 1983-89, 1989-90 and time by which such works are likely to be 1990-91, an expenditure of Rs. 9.38 lakhs, completed ? Rs. 65.71 lakhs and Rs. 32.47 lakh* res­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pectively have been incurred on the above MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ mentioned items. Statement

Name of the colony Resolution Date No.

Puqjabi Basti...... 168 19-8-79 New Patel N a g a r ...... 82 16-3-81 Nai B a s t i ...... 2401 20-9-82 Than Singh N agar ...... 2402 20-9-82 Inderpuri Extension .... 2659 3-1-83 Prem N a g a r ...... 141 30-7-83 Nehru Nagar ...... 140 30-7-83 Faridpuri ...... 477 13-9-90 Amrit Kaur P u r i ...... 478 13-9-90 Govind Garh ..... Do- Do- Khalsa Nagar ...... Do- Do- Bapa N a g a r ...... Do- Do- Baijit Nagar ..... 488 17-9-90

GASTROENTERITIS CASES IN THE (b) the steps taken by the Government COUNTRY to prevent such cases in future ? 76. SHRI UDAYSINGRAO GAIKWAD THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Wfll the Minister of HEALTH AND MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state : WELFARE (Sm&IMAH D. K. THA&A DEVI) : (a) The information is being (a) the number of cases noticed relating collected. to gastroenteritis during the months of May and June this year in each State and (b) The Government is taking the fol­ patients died; and lowing steps to control the disease : 129 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 130

by making maximum efforts for pro­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN viding safe drinking water through piped THE MINISTRY OF LABOUR (SHRI water supply; K RAMAMURTHY) : (a) and (b) : It was decided to wind up the National by periodic chlorination of well water; Council for Safety in Mines (NCSM), By distribution of chlorine tablets; Dhanbad with effect from 15 th May, 91 through Vigorous and extensive health after paying terminal benefits to its educationcampaign regarding importance employees. This decision was taken keep­ of personal hygiene and consumption of ing in view inter-alia the performance of safe drinking water; the Council in recent years, the build-up of a substantial programme of mines by making Oral Rehydration Salt safety in the Coal Mines after nationalisa­ (O.R.S.) Packets available and by aug­ tion, setting up of internal safety organi­ menting disease surveillance. sations in main mines, inability of the Council to generate enough resources to NEWS CAPTIONED “LA I® ALLOT­ sustain its activities; its limited useful­ MENT TO HOUSING COOPS. SET ness in the mines in the unorganised ASIDE” sector etc. 77. SHRI RAJNATH SONKAR SHAS^ Certain employees of the Council have TRI : Will the Minister of URBAN DEVE­ filed a writ petition in the Calcutta High LOPMENT be pleased to state : Court against the above decision and the (a) whether attention of the Govern­ Court has ordered status quo as on ment has been drawn to the news item 6-5-1991. appearing in the Times of India dated 11 PUCCA*' SCHOOL BUILDINGS FOR May, 1991 regarding “Land allotment to KENDRIYA VIDYALAYAS Housing Coops, set aside”; (b) Whether the High Court of Delhi 79. DR. C. SILVERA : Will the has ordered for preparation of a fresh list Minister of HUMAN RESOURCE DEVE­ of seniority on a first come first get basis; LOPMENT be pleased to state : sind (a) whether ‘Pucca’ school buildings (c) if so, the steps taken on the orders for Kendriya Vidyalayas at Lawrence of the Court and the time by which new Road, Pitampura and Shalimar Bagh, New allotment is expected to be made ? Delhi have since been constructed; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether these schools have suffi­ MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ cient rooms to have many sections in MENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : each standard; (a) Yes, Sir. (c) whether the Government propose (b) The High Court of Delhi has passed to start humanities subjects in such Vidya­ an order on 10-5-91 directing inter alia , layas during current year; and the preparation of a fresh seniority list of (d) if so, the details thereof and if not, societies based on date of registration for the reasons therefor ? the allotment of land. THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ (c) The matter is being processed in the SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI light of the High Court judgement. ARJUN SINGH) : (a) The Kendriya NATIONAL SAFETY COUNCIL Vidyalayas Lawrence Road and Shalimar Bagh are running in Pucca buildings but 78. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : Will in Pitampura pucca building is still under the Minister of LABOUR be pleased to construction and has been only partly state: occupied. (a), whether the Government propose to (b) The School bufferings have been wind up National Safety Council; and sanctioned according to the estimated (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? number of classes and number of sections 131 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers ] 32 in each class. Shalimar Bagh and (iii) Environmental guidelines have been Lawrence Road Kendriya Vidyalaya have evolved for sitting and operation ‘B’ type buildings corresponding generally of industries; to an average of 3 sections and Pitampura Kendriya Vidyalaya has a ‘C type build­ (iv) Industries have been asked to ing corresponding to 4 sections. comply with consent requirements of the State Pollution Control (c) and (d) At Kendriya Vidyalaya Boards to keep the discharge of Lawrence Road, the humanitnies stream effluents and emissions within the is already available. So far as Kendriya stipulated limits; Vidyalayas, Shalimar Bagh and Pitampura (v) A time bound action-plan foi are concerned, humanities stream has not control of highly polluting been opened as the neighbouring Kendriya 17 categories of industries Vidyalayas are meeting the present has been prepared in con­ demand. sultation with the State Governments and a Notification [Translation] has been issued under which polluting units are required to AFFORESTATION SCHEME IN UTTAR meet the standards by Decem­ PRADESH ber 31, 1991;

80. SHRI RAJVEER SINGH : Will the (\i) Fiscal incentives are provided Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND for installation of pollution con­ FORESTS be pleased to state : trol equipment and shifting of polluting industries from congested (a) whether environment pollution is areas; on the increase in the country; (vii) A scheme has been initiated to (b) if so, the corrective action taken give assistance to cluster of thereon; small scale industrial units for setting up common effluent treat­ (c) whether the Government propose ment plants. to implement efficiently afforestation pro­ gramme with a view to contain air (c) The forests play a part in control­ pollution; and ling carbon dioxide levels in the atmos­ phere and reduce the level of solid (d) if so, the districts in Uttar Pradesh particulate matter and noise, particularly where afforestation programme is yet to in urban areas. This is one of the start ? objectives of the afforestation programme. Emphasis is being given on plantnig more THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE broad leaved species, this will help to MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND keep pollutant level down. FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) Environmental pollution is on the (d) The afforestation/tree planting acti­ increase in the country because of the vity is being implemented in every districts pace and complexity of human activity. of Uttar Pradesh.

(b) The Government has taken the [English] following steps for the prevention, abate­ ment and control of pollution: NEWS ITEM PRIZED EXHIBITS VANISH FROM MUSEUM (i) Effluent and emission standards have been prescribed under the 81. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: Environment (Portection) Act, Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT 1986; AND FORESTS be pleased to state : (ii) Net works of ambient air quality (a) whether the attention of the and water quality moni­ Government has been drawn to the new s toring stations have been set up; item captioned “Prized exhibits vanish 133 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 134 from museum” appearing in the Indian Institutes of Opthalmology provide train­ Express’, New Delhi dated 21 March, ing in eye microsurgery to the faculty 1991; staff of Medical Colleges. (b) if so, the facts of the case; The facility of microsurgery is available (c) the outcome of the probe, if any, at present in all the metropolitan cities. conducted into this loss of prized exhi­ (c) Does not arise. bits; and (d) Does not arise. (d) the preventive measures taken for future in addition to fix the responsibility RISE IN PRICE OF HOMOEOPATHIC for such losses? DRUGS

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 83. SHRI GOVTNDRAO NIKAM : Will MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : WELFARE be pleased to state: fa) Yes Sir. (a) whether the prices of Homoeopathic (b) and (c). Two animal skins were medicines are rising; found missing from the children’s activity room of t ! ^ Museum on 9-3-91 and an (b) whether the Government have increased the taxes on raw materials used internal enquiry was carried out to trace the skins. Since these could not be in manufacture of homoeopathic medi­ traced, the matter was reported to the cines; and nolice on 11-3-91. According to the (c) if so, the steps proposed to be Police Investigation Report, the skins taken by the Government to check the have not yet been traced. rising prices of Homoeopathic medicines? (d) Security measures have been streng­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE thened and the concerned staff have been MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMI­ cautioned. Responsibility could not be LY WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K fixed since no conclusive evidence is THARA DEVI) : (a) Yes, Sir. found. (b) and (c) The auxiliary duty of f Translation] customs almost on all imported goods MICROSURGERY OF EYES was enhanced with effect from 15-12-1990 and as a result the import duty on 82. SHRI GOVTNDRAO NIKAM: Will Lactose of a kind used in homoeopathic the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY medicines, commonly known as *Sugar WELFARE be pleased to state : of milk has gone up from 60 % advalorem (a) whether the facility of microsur­ to 65% advalorem. There has been no gery of eyes of Soviet Union is available chage in the Central Exdse Duty on any in the country; raw material used for production of homoeopathic drugs during the last one (b) whether Government propose to year. extend this facility to all metropolitan cities of the country; Under the Drug Price Control order, 1987, homoeopathic drugs are not con­ (c) If so, when; and trolled for prices. (d) if not, the reasons therefor? [English] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY SANSKRIT UNIVERSITY AT KALAD1 WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA KERALA DEVI) : (a) and (b) Yes. At present 60 Medical Colleges and ten Regional 84. SHRI LAL K. ADVANI: Institutes of opthalmology have been SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE: provided with necessary equipment for Will the Minister of HUMAN RE­ microsurgery of eyes. R. P. Centre of SOURCE DEVELOPMENT be pleased to Ophthalmic Sciences, and the Regional state: 135 Written Answers JULY 15, 1W1 Written Answers

(a) whether thie Governnment have UNDERNOURISHED MOTHERS approved a proposal for setting up of a Sannskrit University at Kaladi, the birth 86. DR. ASIM BALA : Will the Mini place of Adi Shankaracharya in Kerala; ter of HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOP MENT be pleased to state : (b)vif so,* when was the proposal approved; (a) the number of mothers suffering (c) the present stage at which the pro­ from undernourishment; and posal stands; and (d) whether the Government are also (b) the result thereof on the .children considering a proposal to start a Sanskrit University at Sringeri ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ DEVELOPMENT (DEPARTMENT OF SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI YOUTH AFFAIRS AND SPORTS AND ARJUN SINGH) : (a) to (c). The Gov­ THE DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND ernment of Kerala has planned to CHILD DEVELOPMENT) (KUMARI establish a Sanskrit University at Kaladi. MAMATA BANERJEE) : (a) A survey The Central Government had sanctioned conducted by the Indian Council of Medi­ an ad-hoc grant of Rs. 1.00 crore in cal Research under National Nutrition March, 1987 to Government of Kerala Monitoring Bureau (NNMB) during; 1972- for setting up of this University. The 79 in 10 States revealed that abput 24 State Government constituted a three- per cent of the women had low body member Committee to look into the weight and height. As a result of such feasibility of the proposal. The Com­ undernourishment these mothers fall into mittee submitted its report to the State high risk categories and are likely to suffer Government in December, 1990. Accord- from obstetric complications. ing to the information furnished by the State Government, the Bill to establish (b) Th^se Undernourished mother * give the University has not been introduced birth to low weight babies. These babies in the State Legislature. are more susceptible to infections, under­ nourishment, nutrition related diseases, (d) A decision has been taken in morbidity and mortality. principle to set up a Sanskrit University at ’Sringeri. Institutional structures will LEGISLATION FOR BUILDING be initiated which would evolve into a WORKERS university over a period of time. 87. SHRI SOBHANA DRESWARA BONDED LABOUR AND CHILD RAOVADDE : Will the Minister of LABOUR LABOUR be pleased to state : 85. DR? ASIM BALA : Will the (a) whether the Government propose Minister of LABOUR be pleased to state to bring forward a legi&altion to project die number of bonded labour and child the interests of the building and construc­ labour in the country, separately ? tion workers in the country; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LABOUR (SHRI K. (b) if so, the action taken in this re­ RAMAMURTHY) : According to avail­ gard; able information, total number of bonded labour identified and freed in the country (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? as on 31-3-1990 was 2,44,749. THE MINISTER (W STATE IN THE As far as the number of child labour MINISTRY OF LABOUR (SHRI K is concerned, the latest Census fibres RAMAMURTHY): (a) tp (c)* A.Cent­ available are with reference to the year ral Legislation to, protect the interests 1981 , according to this, the number of bijildigjg and construction workers an the child labour in th$ age group 0-14 years oDunt*yt i? uftf$r the active consideration in the country was 13,640,872. of the Government. 1*7 a s a d h a 24, 1913 (s a k a ) 138 jjYj>gj>PROJECI!Sf AWAITING CLEAR- heart disease in the country out of which ANCE IN KERALA it is estimated that about one-third are possibly due to smoking. 88 . SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNANAN : Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT {Translation] AND FORESTS be pleased to slate: DEMAND TO LAY ASTROTURF AT (a) t\ie names oi tlie Hydro-Electnc BAREILLY Power Projects and irrigation projects held 90. SHRI SANTOSH KUMA* GA^G- over for implementation in Kerala for WAR : Will the Minister of * HUMAN want of clearance from tlie Environment RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT be pleased angle; to state: (b) the details of specific objections in (a) whether there has bees a demand each case and the reaction of the State by sports lovers to lay an Astroturf at Government of Kerala thereon; and Bareilly in Uttar Pradesh; and (c) the time frame by which clearance (b) if so, th9. time by which the Astro­ is likely to be given ? turf is likely be laid there ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS OF FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) YOUTH AFFAIRS AND SPORTS ANt> No hydel power irrigation project from THE DEPARTMENT OF WOMAN AND Kerala is presently pending for environ­ CHILD DEVELOPMENT (KtJMARI mental clearance. MAMATA BANERIEE): (a) No proposal (b) and (c) Do not arise. for laying of artificial hockey surface at Bareilly (U.P.) has been received by the WORLD CONFERENCE ON OPEN Government of India. This should come HEART SURGERY through Government of Uttar Pradesh. 89. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: (b) Does not arise. Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state : [English} (a) whether world conference on open ACCOMMODATION TO GOVERN­ heart suigery held from 13th June, 1991 MENT EMPLOYEES in Bombay called for a ban on advertise­ ments regarding cigarettes and tobacco; 91. SHRI V. S. VUAYARAGHAVAN : Will the Minister of URBAN DEVELOP­ (b) whether the Government have re­ MENT be pleased to state : ceived any recommendations to this effect; (a) the number of Union Government (c) if so, the measures proposed/taken employees awaiting a allotment of govern­ to implement the recommendations; and ment accommodation, category-wise; and (d) the estimated number of patients (b) the steps being taken by the Gov­ suffering from heart diseases due to smok­ ernment for expeditious allotment of ac­ ing in the country ? commodation to the employees? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MIN&HfeY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA MENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : DEW) : (a) to (c). The Government has (a) As per enclosed statement. not so far received any report ^recommen­ dations from the organisers of the Con­ (b) It has been the effort of the Gov­ ernment to augment the General Pool ference. Residential Accommodation to the extent (d) As per I€HR studies there are possible subject to the availability of land more than 5 million cases of coronery and financial resources. 139 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers \ 4Q

The number of government employees awaiting allotment of Government accommoda­ tion, category-wise in Delhi is given below :

Type No. of em­ ployees await­ ing

I ...... 3134 II ...... 8438 I l l ...... 7365 IV...... 1390 IVSpl...... 321 V D .I I ...... 363 Special D.I...... 189 C. II & a b o v e ...... 216 Hostel Double Suite ...... 731 Single Suite with Kitchen...... 894 Single suite without Kitchen ...... 173 Working Gi ;1s Hostel (Single room) ...... 49

Note : This is based on the waiting lists prepared on the basis of limited number of applica­ tions invited during the current allotment year (1990-91) for Delhi only.

POLLUTION DUE TO MALABAR [Translation] CEMENT FACTORY, PALGHAT UNEMPLOYMENT ALLOWANCE 92. SHRI V. S. VIJAYARAGHA- 93. SHRI RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI : VAN : Will the Minister of ENVIRON­ Will the MINISTER OF LABOUR be MENT AND FORESTS be pleased to pleased to state : state : (a) whether the Government propose to (a) whether the Union Government are prepare any action plan to solve the un­ aware of the environmental pollution employment problem; caused by the Malabar Cement Factory located at Valayar in Palghat district of (b) if so, the time by which it is likely Kerala; and to be implemented;

(b) if so, the steps taken by the Gov­ (c) Whether unemployment allowance is ernment to control the pollution ? being given in Haryana and some other States; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (d) if so, whether the Government pro­ FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) pose to impress upon State Governments and (b) In pursuance of the directions of to give unemployment allowance to the the Kerala State Pollution Control Board unemployed ? the unit has installed adequate pollution control devices. The emissions from the factory conform to the prescribed stand- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ' aids. Hie unit is also not causing any MINISTRY OF LABOUR (SHRI K. water pollution. RAMAMTJRTHY) : (a) and (b) the 141 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913< (SAKA) Written Answers! 42 problem of unemployment is one of major THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE concern in the context of the formulation MINISTRY OF LABOUR (SHRI K of 8th Five Year Plan. RAMAMURTHY) : (a) to (c) The Participation of Workers in Management (c) Some of the State Governments in­ Bill, 1990 has been introduced in the cluding Haryana give unemployment al­ Rajya Sabha on 30th May, 1990. lowance/assistance to specified categories of persons out of their own resources. LOOPHOLES IN EXISTING ENVIRON­ (d) There is no such proposal at present. MENTAL RULES SHORTAGE OF DOCTORS IN GOV­ 96. DR. LAXMINARAYAN PAN- ERNMENT HOSPITALS DEYA : Will the Minister of ENVIRON­ MENT AND FORESTS be pleased to 94. SHRI RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI: state : Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state : (a) whether the Government is faced with difficulties in taking action against (a) whether there is acute shortage of doctors in Union Government Hospitals: those flouting rules pertaining to environ­ and ment; (b) if so, the extent thereof and the (b) the action Government propose to time by which the requisite number of take in the matter; and doctors would be appointed ? (c) if so, when ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND WELFARE (SHRIMATT D. K. THARA FORESTS fSHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) DEVT) : (a) and (b). No Sir, there is no No, Sir. acute shortage of doctors in Union Gov­ fb) and (c) Do not arise. ernment Hospitals. However, at times shortage of Doctors in the Union Govern­ DOCTOR-PATIENT RATIO ment Hospitals may be felt due to ever increasing number of patients. To cope- 97. DR. LAXMINARAYAN PAN- up with increasing workload, while every DEYA : Will the Minister of HEALTH effort is made to create additional posts AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to and fill-up the vacant posts, some time is state : taken to create additional posts and to fill- up these vacant posts. While action can (a) whether the number of Doctors is be taken to finalise recruitments in time inadequate in the country as compared to when it can be foreseen that particular the population ; post/posts would fall vacant on a certain (b) the proportion of Doctors to the date; in situations which cannot be fore­ population at present; seen, like resignation or death of the in­ cumbent, there is a time lag before the fc) how does it compare with the other resultant vacancies are filled. developing countries; and WORKERS PARTICIPATION IN IN­ (d) whether the Government propose to DUSTRIAL INSTITUnONS provide general medical facilities in the villages by training Doctors in the Ayur­ 95. SHRI RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI: vedic and Allopathic systems of medicine Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased on the basis of a three year diploma to state: course with a view to meet the shortage (a) whether the Government propose to of Doctors ? formulate any scheme for workers parti­ cipation in industrial institutions; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (b) if so, the details thereof: and WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? DFVn • fa) Keeping in view the stage 143 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 144 of our socio-economic development, the Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy, number of doctors available in the coun­ the said ratio would be much better. try cannot be considered inadequate. (c) According to the World Develop­ ment Report 199J, brought out recently (b) The estimated ratio of doctor: by the World Bank, the figures of popula­ population is 1 : 2379 as on 1-1-1988. tion per physician in low^income countries, However, taking into account the number which includes India, is as given in the of qualified practitioners in the Indian following table :—

Country Population Year per physician

N e p a l ...... 310,220 1984 K e n y a ...... 10,050 1984 I n d o n e s i a ...... 9,460 1984 B an g lad esh ...... 6,730 1984 N i g e r i a ...... 6,440 1984 Sri L a n k a ...... 5,520 1984 Pakistan ..... 2,910 1984 I n d i a ...... 2,520 1984

As a matter of fact, India, though a low than even some of the lower middle in­ come countries, as may be seen from the income country, is in a better possition following table :— A n g o l a ...... 17,790 1984 Z im b a b w e ...... 6,700 1984 Philippines...... 6,570 1984 Morocco ...... 4,760 1984

(d) In view of the adequate availability (d) if so, the details thereof; and of fully qualified medical graduates as well as the qualified practitioners in Indian (e) if not, the reasons therefor ? System of Medicine and Homoeopathy, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TOE there is no such proposal at present. MINISTRY OF UR?AN DEVELOP­ (English] MENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : (a) Keeping in view the requirement WATER SUPPLY IN DELHI of the present populKtion at the prescrib­ 98. SHRI SANAT KUMAR ed norms, and the available supply of MANDAL : drinking water difficulties are experienced during the summer season in a number SHRI KALKA DASS : of areas, especially those ritaated at th* Will the Minister of URBAN DEVE­ tail end of the diftr&ution system or at LOPMENT be pleased to state : places at higher elevations and J.J. clus­ ters. (a) whether with the onset of the sum­ mer season, the water supply in the Capi­ (b) Water demand increases during the tal has very much deteriorated and people summer months and the major constraints have to thirst for water; faced are: (i) low voltage/power failure at treat­ (b) if so, the reasons therefor; ment plants/pumping stations tube (c) whether any long-term or short­ wells; and term plan has been or is being formulated (ii) shortage of xaw water. to improve and augment the water supply system in the Capital; (c) to

Statement (ii) 0.5 MAF of water is proposed to be earmarked for Delhi—use from the (i) Construction of second 100 MGD proposed Kishau Dam. Water Treatment Plant at Haiderpur has been started; (iii) 0.37 MAF of water is also propos­ ed to be earmarked from the proposed (ii) Construction work of 40 MGD Renuka Dam in Himachal Pradesh on Water Treatment Plant at Nangloi has River Giri. been awarded; IMPLEMENTATION OF GANGA AC­ (iii) Construction of 20 MGD Water TION PLAN IN WEST BENGAL Treatment Plant near Bhavana Escape has been proposed; 99. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT (iv) Discussions with Haryana Govern­ AND FORESTS be pleased to state : ment are in progress for the supply of adequate raw water to above plants in ex­ (a) whether the Ganga Action Plan in change for treated effluent; the West Bengal portion has been fully implemented; (v) Construction of 5 Ranney Wells in Alipur Block is in progress. In addition, (b) if not, the reasons therefor; 27 tube wells have been installed and 15 (c) whether pollution of the Ganga is more tube wells will be energised shortly; continuing with the industrial waste being thrown in it at several places; and (vi) Steps have been taken to ration­ alise the distribution system. Ground re­ servoir and booster pumping stations have (d) if so, the steps being taken to check been commissioned in 7 colonies and are it? likely to be commissioned shortly in 2 more colonies. This work is in progress THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE in 4 colonies and is also being planned for MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND 5 more colonies as soon as the land be­ FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) comes available. A statement showing the typewise list of schemes sanctioned and completed in res­ pect of West Bengal is given below. (vii) Steps have also been taken for detection of leakage of water and to mini­ mise the leakage. 23 shallow tube wells (b) Most of the schemes have been have been installed for horticulture pur­ completed as per schedule. However, poses to save filtered water. 101 open there have been some slippages due to wells in City and S.P. Zone are also pro­ delays in acquisition of land and certain vided with submersible pumping sets to court cases due to which work was held supply water for horticulture purposes; up. and (c) and (d) Notices under the pro­ (viii) Water supply arrangements in re­ visions of Environment (protection) Act settlement colonies, J.J. clusters and regu­ and Water (Control & Preveniton of Pol­ larised unauthorised colonies are being lution) Act were issued to the identified continuously improved through tube wells, gross polluting units to set up effluent handpumps/hydrant, aflfd water suppy treatment plants. As a result, some indus­ connections according to prescribed norms. trial units have set up Effluent Treatment Plants thus reducing pollution of the LONG TERM MEASURES Ganga. However, there are still some industrial units who are discharging efflu­ (i) Government of Uttar Pradesh has ents in the river. Prosecution proceedings agreed to supply 300 cusecs of water from have been launched against such default­ Tehri Dam which is under construction. ing units. 147 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 14g

Statement Annexure TYPEWISE SCHEMES SANCTIONED AND COMPLETED IN WEST m c /L

S • Nx Type of Scheme No. of Schemes Under Progress Sanctioned Compl c t c d

1. Interception & Diversion * - • 31 9 22 2. Sewage Treatment Plant 15 1 14 3. Low Cost Sanitation . 22 23 1 4. Crematoria 17 13 4 5. River Front Facilities 24 21 3 6. Others . 1 0 1 7 Total . . . . . 110 65 45

CHOLERA DEATHS environmental sanitation, particularly contamination of drinking water. 100. SHRI MANORANJAN SUR : Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY (e) Yes, Sir. The recommendations of WELFARE be pleased to state : the Supreme Court Committee which went into 1988 Delhi Cholera epidemic are be­ (a) whether there as spurt in Cholera ing implemented in Delhi. deaths in the country: (b) if so, the number of deaths so re­ (f) Following steps are being taken by ported during the current year and what the Government to control the spread of are the corresponding figures for the past the disease:— three years; by making maximum efforts for pro­ (c) the names of towns, State-wise, viding safe drinking water through piped where Cholera has broken out, indicating water supply; number of cases reported and fatalities by periodic chlorination of well water; figures as a result thereof; by distribution of chlorine tablets; (d) the specific reasons for the recur­ rence of the deadly disease year after year: through vigorous and extensive health education campaign highlighting the need (e) whether the recommendations of the for personal hygiene and consumption of Supreme Court Committee which went safe drinking water; into 1988 Delhi cholera epidemic have been implemented, if not, the reasons through disinfection of wells; therefor and the reasons for recurrence of by making Oral Rehydration Salt Cholera in Delhi; and (O.R.S.) packets available; and (f) the measures taken/proposed to be by augmenting disease surveillance. taken to control the spread of the disease ? CONTROL ROOM TO MONITOR THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE INCIDENT OF ATROCITIES ON SCsf MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY STs WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA DEVI) : (a) No, Sir. 102. SHRI M. V. CHANDRA SHEKARA MURTHY : Will the Minister (b) and (c) Do not arise. of WELFARE be pleased to state : (d) Main reasons for recurrence of (a) whether the Government have a cholera are :— proposal to set up a control room to moni­ Unsatisfactory conditions of personal tor the incidents of atrocities on Scheduled and domestic hygience and inadequate Castes and Scheduled Tribes; 149 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (.SAKA) Written Answers 150

(b) if so, by what time such a control (iii) enactment oi the Forest (Conser­ room is likely to be set up; vation) Act, 1980 to check diversion (c) whether the control room will have of forest land for non-forestry pur­ poses; direct link with the various State capitals only; and (iv) various programmes of afforesta­ tions under State Plans and Cen­ (d) if so, how the incidents of atrocities trally Sponsored Schemes including on Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes which may take place in rural areas would plantations under the 20-Point pro­ be monitored effectively ? grammes are carried out.

THE MINISTER OF WELFARE BAN ON FELLING OF TREES (S! T I SITARAM KESRI) : (a) Yes, Sir. 104. SHRI PRAKASH V. PAUL : Will (b) to (d) The modalities are being the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND worked out. FORESTS be pleased to state : THREAT OF ENVIRONMENT (a) whether the Union Government POLLUTION propose to ban felling of trees for Railway 103. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL : Will Sleepers; and the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND (b) if so, the step being taken to meet FORESTS be pleased to state : ilie demand of Railways in the country ? (a) whether the threat of environ­ mental pollution is constantly getting more THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE and more acute due to felling of trees; MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) (b) the extent of forest cover being Government propose to phase out use of depleted for the purpose of fuel each year; wooden railway sleepers and consequently, and the intake of sleepers has come down from 30 lakh track sleepers in 1984-85 to 2 lakh (c) if so, the corrective action taken sleepers in 1990-91. thereon ? (b) The Government has already made THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE sufficient provision for replacement of MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND wooden track sleepers with concrete FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) sleepers. Trees play a vital role in purification of air by absorbing carbon dioxide and re­ POLLUTION FREE RIVERS lease of oxygen. Felling of trees, there­ fore, affects the environment adversely. 105. SHRI ASHOK ANANDRAO DESHMUKH : Will the Minister of EN­ (b) Since lops and tops of trees are VIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased utilized as fuelwood, there is no precise to state : estimate of the forest cover being depleted each year on this account. (a) the number of rivers included in (c) Following measures have beeni the programme for making them pollu­ taken to check depletion of forest cover : tion free besides the Ganga and Yamuna; (i) guidelines have been issued to State (b) whether the Government propose to Governments/U.Ts. banning green include Betwa, Godawari, Narmada, felling on mountains/hills above Krishna and Kaveri rivers under this pro­ 1000 metres; gramme; (ii) assistance is provided to State/ (c) if so, the time by which the work U.Ts. for development of infrast­ is likely to start on this programme; and ructure for protection of forests from biotic interference; (d) if not, the reasons therefor ? 151 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 152

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) whether Government propose to MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND grant statutory status to the Minority FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) Commission; and (b) Besides the Ganga and Yamuna, (b) if so, when legislation in this regard the rivers to be included in the program­ is likely to be introduced; me for making them pollution free have not been finalised so far. (c) the present composition of the Com­ mission, with the dates of appointment (o) and (d) An Approach Paper on and dates of completion of terms in res­ the National River Action Plan is under pect of each member; and preparation which would be finalised after (d) whether there are any vacancies and consultation with the concerned agencies at if so, when the vacancies, are likely to be the Centre and in the States. Work would filled up ? start only after finalisation of the approach outlined in the Approach Paper. No time THE MINISTER OF WELFARE schedule has been fixed for starting the (SHRI SITARAM KESRI) : (a) Yes, work so far. Sir. (b) It is likely to be introduced in the [English] Winter Session. MINORITY COMMISSION (c) and (d) At present the Commission has one Chairman and six Members. The 106. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN : requisite information about the present in­ Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased cumbents of Chairman/Members of the to state : Commission is given below :

Name Date of appointment Date of completion of term n^flirman Sh. S.M.H. Burney 1-4-88 pl-3-92 Members S/Shri B.S. R a m o o w a iia ...... 11-5-90 10-5-93 Vea. Dhammaviriy...... 5-11-90 4-11-93 B aJkinPertin...... 5-11-90 4-11-93 M. V a r a d a r a ja n ...... 19-4-91 18-4-94 Javed Habib ...... Yet to join. K.F. Rustamji...... Yet to join.

[Translation] (c) the estimated cost of these flats/ shops and; NON-ALLOTMENT OF DDA FLATS (d) the steps being taken by DDA to 107. SHRI MAD AN LAL KHURANA : allot these flats/shops by providing peri­ Will the Minister of URBAN DEVELOP­ pheral services ? MENT be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOPMENT (a) whether many flats/shops have not (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : (a) Yes. been allotted due to non-availability of Sir. “peripheral services” like sewer, water and (b) The details of such flats/shops are electricity; given in the attached statements I & II. (b) if so, the number of such flats/shops (c) The cost of flats will be determined and the time since when they have not been on completion of services including external allotted; electrification. 153 WHmnAmWtn 24* » » (&AKA) Written Answers 154

(d) The unallotted fiafe/shope will be elccrtification works are compelte for which jotted/auctioned as soon as external the matter is being pursued with DESU. STATEMENT-1

DETAILS OF FLATS WHICH COULD NOT BE ALLOTTED DUE TO n o n - availability of external electrification work.

S.No. Scheme No. of Date flats since when unallotted

\ . CoTisttucWou of % MiG% k l Lawataxvcfe Yd. . 96 21-2-9^ 2. Construction. oi 192 Janta, YQ?) Pitampura 192 21-2-90 3. Construction of 440 LIG, DUs in Sec. 16 Rohiai. 440 1-12-87 4. Construction of 613 Janta, D\js at Dilshad Garden. . 603 9-7-86 5. Construction of 960 LIG, DUs at Pkt. Dilshad Garden 884 28-4-84 6. Construction of 88 MIG/88 LIG, at Mayur Vihar Pkt. IV. 72 1-2-91 7. Construction of 136 Janta, DUs at Dakshinpuri 96 1-9-86 8. Construction of 128 LIG at Pulpehladpur 128 1-12-89 9. Construction of 608 Janta at Pulpehladpur. 632 1-12-89 T otal...... 3143 flats

STATEMENT-11

DETAILS OF SHOPS WHICH COULD NOT BE ALLOTTED/AUCTIONED

SI. No Scheme No. of Date since shops when unallotted 1 2 3 4 1. Community Shopping Centre at Janta Houses for Harijans^ & Land-less Persons of Peera Garhi...... 20 2/90 2. Community Shopping Centre at Paschimpuri Block-A-4, near CIE Employees CHBS ...... 33 5/90 3. Community Shopping Centre at Adarsh Bhawan Punjabi Bagh Exten. I & II...... 16 2/90 4. Community Shopping Centre at Paschimpuri Pocket-BG-6. Block B near 1090 Jaata Houses...... 27 9/89 5. Community Shopping Centre at Sunder Vihar .... 22 1/90 6. Community Shopping Centre at A-2 Paschimpuri 12 2/90 7. Community Shopping Centre at Shalimar Bagh, Block B (s). 42 9/90 8. Facility Centre at Mayapuri...... 16 8/88 T o ta l...... 188

ALLOTMENT OF LAND TO GROUP for allotment of land and the number there­ HOUSING SOCIETIES of allotted land;

108. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : (b) whether DDA has increased the Will the Minister of URBAN DEVELOP­ price of land; if so, the details thereof; MENT be pleased to state : (c) whether complaints of irregularities (a) the number of group housing socie­ in distribution of land to the group housing ties in Delhi w^fch have applied to DDA societies have been received; and 155 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 156

(d) if so, the nature of the complaints AUTONOMY TO SCHOOLS and the steps being taken by Government in this regard ? 110. SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL : Will the Minister of HUMAN RESOURCE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : (a) A (a) whether a decision has been taken total of 518 cooperative group housing to grant autonomy to some schools in the country; societies registered prior to 1983 have so far been allotted land by the DDA. Out of (b) if so, the details thereof; and 424 cooperative group housing societies who were sent offer letters, 390 societies (c) the particulars of the schools granted had applied between October 1990 and autonomy so far ? January, 1991 far allotment of land in Dwarka/Narela. Land was allocated in THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ Dwarka phase I to 260 societies, however SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARJUN this allotment has since been set aside by SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. the Delhi High Court on 10-5-91. (b) In pursuance of the directive given (b) The pre-determined rates of land in para 10.1(b) of the National Policy on for allotment to cooperative group housing Education, 1986 for decentralisation and societies have not been increased during the creation of a spirit of autonomy in educa­ current financial year. tional institutions, the Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE) had decided (c) No such complaints have been re­ to grant autonomy to selected schools affi­ ceived by DDA. liated to the Board, to enable them to take (d) Question does not arise. initiative in the matter of curriculum design and evaluation of student performance. [English] (c) On a Writ Petition filed by a school ROLE OF VOLUNTARY ORGANISAr teacher, the High Court of Delhi has stay­ HON IN EDUCATION ed operation of the decision of the CBSE and, therefore, no school has so far been 109. SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL: granted autonomy. Will the Minister of HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : (a) what role do the Government visu­ CRITERIA FOR NOMINATIONS OF alise for voluntary agencies in promoting MEMBERS OF GOVERNING BODY OF the cause of education; and C.B.S.E, (b) what incentives do the Government 111. SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL: propose to provide to schools run by such Will the Minister of HUMAN RESOURCE agencies ? DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state :

THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ (a) the criteria for nominating members SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARJUN of the governing body of the C.B.S.E.; SINGH) : (a) National Policy on Edu­ (b) whether the representatives of pri­ cation (NPE), 1986 envisages encourage­ vately run schools are associated with ment of and provision for financial assis­ governing body; tance to non-government and voluntary effort in education subject to proper (c) details of the present governing body management of the C.B.S.E.; (b) Subsequent to NPE, schemes were (d) whether there is any representative launched to introduce vocational education, of this body from the Union Territory of to improve science education, and to im­ Chandigarh; and part environment orientation in private schools. (e) if so, the details thereof ? 157 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 158

THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ 5. Sh. M. C. Mathur, SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARJUN Jt. Director of Education, SINGH) : (a) As per the Memorandum Govt, of Sikkim, New Sectt., of Association and Rules and Regulations Gangtok-737 101. of the Central Board of Secondary Educa­ tion, the Governing Body of the Board 6. Mr. S. K. Shukla, Addl. Director of Education, consists of members from four different categories, of which nominated members is Dte. of Education, Delhi Admn. Old Sectt., one category. Delhi-110 054. The list of nominated members includes representatives from various organisations 7. Mr. Y. P. Purang, Director (West), DOE, Delhi Admn. such as the Ministry of Human Resource Development, Department of Education, Karampur, University Grants Commission, Delhi New Delhi. University, Association of Indian Univer­ 8. Miss. S. Rajpal, sities, Education Department, Delhi Admi­ Dy. Director (Sch.), nistration, Principals/Headmasters of Dte of Education, schools, professional bodies and eminent Delhi Admn., Delhi-54. educationists or teachers of the Institutions affiliated with the Board. 9. Mrs. Renuka Mehra, Dy. Educational Adviser (VE), (b) Yes, Sir. Ministry of Human Res. Dev., (c) The list of 43 members of the Deptt. of Education, Governing Body is given in the attached Shastri Bhavan, New Delhi. statement. 10. Mr. A. Banerjee, (d) Yes, Sir. Dy. Secretary (Sch.), (e) (i) Smt. Kuldeep Kaur, DPI, Ministry of Human Res. Dev., Chandigarh UT and Deptt. of Education, Shastri Bhavan, (ii) Smt. B. K. Chawla, Principal, New Delhi. Govt. Model High School, Sec­ tor 16, Chandigarh. 11. Col. B. R. Sharma, Statement Director (MT-SO), Army Headquarters, New Delhi. LIST OF MEMBERS OF THE GOVERN­ ING BODY 12. Dr. A. K. Sharma, Joint Director, 1. Dr. H. S. Singha, Natioanl Council of Educational Chairman, Research & Training, Central Board of Sec. Edn., Sri Aurobindo Marg, New Delhi. Delhi-i 10 092. 13. Shri S. K. Ray, 2. Mr. H. D. Birdi, D.F.A., Education Secretary & Ministry of Human Res. Dev., Director of Education, Deptt. of Education, A & N Islands, Shastri Bhavan, New Delhi. Port Blair-744 101. 3. Mr. M. S. Tyagi, 14. Dr. S. S. Rana, Director of Pub. Instructions, Dean of Colleges, Govt, of Arunachal Pradesh, Delhi University, Naharlagun-791 110. Delhi. 4. Mrs. Kuldeep Kaur, 15. Mr. B. K. Sood, Director of Pub. Instructions, Principal, Chandigarh Administration, Birla Vidya Niketan, Sector 9, Chandigarh. Pilani (Raj.). 6—545 LSS/91 159 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 160

16. Dr. S. D. Singh, 28. Dr. P. B. Mathur, Principal, Dy. Director General (Edn.), Scindia School, Indian Council of Agricultural, Gwalior. Res. Pusa, New Delhi. 17. Mr. D. S. Mukhopadhya, 29. Dr. P. S. Jain, Commissioner, KVS, Secretary, JNU Campus, New Mehrauli Road, Medical Council of India, New Delhi-110 067. Kotla Road, New Delhi. 18. Dr. M. P. Chhaya, 30. Dr. P. V. Thomas, Consultant, Director (Insurance), Navodaya Vidyalaya Samiti, Insurance Division, Deptt. of A-39, Kailash Colony, Economic Affairs, Ministry of New Delhi. Finance, North Block, New Delhi. 19. Mr. Jagat Narain, 31. Miss Premlata Puri, Principal, Director, Govt. Boys Sr. Sec. School, Centre for Cultural Res. & Trg., Begampur, New Delhi. Bhawalpur House, Mandir House, New Delhi. 20. Mr. S. N. Chhibar, Principal, 32. Dr. (Mrs.) Gahver Kapadia, Govt. Boys Sr. Sec. School No. 1, Director, Princess ESIM Women’s West Patel Nagar, Education Centre, Nizamia Hyd., New Delhi. Women’s Association Trust, Purani Haveli, Hyderabad. 21. Prof. A. L. Nagar, Pro-Vice Chancellor, 33. Mrs. V. Parthasarthi, University of Delhi, Principal. Delhi-110 007. Sardar Patel Vidyalaya, Lodhi Road, New Delhi. 22. Mr. B. L. SingaL Principal, 34. Smt. P. N, Kavoori, D.V. Arya Sr. Sec. School, Principal, Lodhi Colony, New Delhi. Maharaja SMS Vidyalaya, Savai Ram Singh Road, 23. Mrs. P. Kapoor, Jaipur-4. Principal, Govt. Girls Sr. Sec. School, 35. Mrs. K. Alamelu, Bijwasan, New Delhi. Principal, 24. Mr. Kanwal Sud, P. S. Sr. Sec. School, Principal, Madras. Dayanand Model Sr. Sec. School, 36. Mr. J. S. Munjal, Jalandhar City-144 008. Dy. Director (School Health Edn.), 25. Mrs. B. K. Chawla, Central Health Edn. Bureau, Principal, (Deptt. of CHS), Govt. Model High School, Kotla Road, New Delhi. Sector-16, Chandigarh-160016. 37. Dr. K. G. Deshmukh, 26. Dr. Krishan Kumar, Vice Chancellor, Dean, Amravati University, Central Institute of Education, Amravati-444 604. Delhi. 38. Dr. S. Z. Qasim, 27. Prof. S. N. Maheshwari, Vice-Chancellor, Indian Institute of Technology, Jamia Millia Islamia, Hauz Khas, New Delhi-16. New Delhi-110 025. 161 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 162

39. Shri Ram Lai Panilal, (iii) If the school has got the land but Gujarat Vidyapeetfc, is running in a rented building, it Gandhinagar & President, is required to submit proof of AIU. adequate resources for construc­ tion of the school building in a 40. Shri S. Gopai, reasonable period of time. For Secretary, new schools, first phase of the Central Board of Sec. Edn., building should have been com­ Delhi-110 092. pleted and occupied. 41. Mr. W. R. King, (iv) Proof of non-proprietry character Secretary, of trust/society/management, sup­ Council for the Indian School ported by a list of members with Certificate Examination, their addresses and an affidavit in Nehru Place, New Delhi. the court of 1st class Magistrate 42. Dr. A. K. Pandey, from the Chairman/Secretary Director, stating how the members are re­ Birla Institute of Technology and lated to each other; is required. Science, Ranchi. (v) The school should have well 43. The Secretary qualified staff processing the mini­ Education, Govt, of Arunachal mum qualifications as laid down Pradesh, by the Board. Naharlagun-791 110. (vi) The school should be paying sala­ NORMS FOR SCHOOLS AFFILIATED ries and allowances to its staF not less than those for corresponding TO CBSE categories in the schools run by 112. SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL: the State/UT or as approved by Will the Minister of HUMAN RESOURCE the Government of India. DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : (vii) Fees as commensurate with tht (a) whether the Central Board of Secon­ facilities provided by the school; dary Education has laid down certain norms should be charged under the heads regarding the buildings, pay scales, fee etc., prescribed by the concerned State for the schools affiliated to it; and or UT. No capitation fee or do (b) if so, the details thereof ? nations should be charged or collected in the name of the THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ school. SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARJUN SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. FUNDS TO SOCIAL ORGANISATION FOR UPLIFTMENT OF WOMEN (b) As per the Affiliation Bye-Laws of the Central Board of Secondary Education, 113. SHRI RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI : a school which fulfils, inter-alia, the follow­ Will the Minister of HUMAN RESOURCE ing essential norms, can apply to the Board DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : for affiliation :— (i) The school should produce a ‘No (a) whether Government provide funds Objection Certificate’ from tbs worth crores of rupees every year to the concerned State Government or social organisation for the upliftment of UT Administration. women and children; (ii) The school should be in posses­ (b) if so, the manner in which these sion of about 2 acres of land, funds are disbursed; (1 acre in cities having population (c) whether Government are contem­ of over 25 lakhs), a building con­ plating to construct shelters (Ashrams) for structed on a part of the land and more than two million prostitutes; proper playgrounds on the re­ maining land. (c) if so, the details thereof; 163 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 164

(e) whether Government have re­ [Translation] ceived a memorandum in this regard from AREA UNDER FOREST IN BIHAR ‘Bhartiya Patita Uddhar Sabha’; and 114. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD (f) if so, the details thereof and the SINGH : Will the Minister of ENVIRON­ policy being adopted by Government in MENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: this regard ? (a) the area under forest in Bihar; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether some part of the forest land MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE has been used for developmental purposes; DEVELOPMENT (DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS AND SPORTS AND (c) if so, the area of forest land in the THE DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND state which has been converted into irri­ CHILD DEVELOPMENT) (KUMARI gated land; and MAMATA BANERJEE) : (a) and (b) for the conservation Government of India is implementing a (d) the steps taken Bihar ? number of schemes and programmes for the of forest land in upliftment of women and children under THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE which grants-in-aid are released to volun­ M IN ISTR Y OF ENVIRONMENT AND tary organisations. In most of the cases FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) grants are released to the State Govern­ Recorded forest area in Bihar is 29232 Sq. ments and the Union Territory Adminis­ Km. trations for further disbursement to the voluntary organisations. In some cases, (b) and (c) information is available in proposals for grants-in-aid recommended by terms of the diversion of forest land for State Governments and Union Territory various non-forest purposes, including for Administrations are considered and funds development projects, irrigation projects etc. released to eligible organisations in ac­ According to information readily available cordance with the schematic pattern pres­ 2981 hectares of forest land was diverted cribed under different schemes. Grants-in- for non-forestry purposes in Bihar since aid are also released directly to dome the enactment of the Forest (Conservation) national level voluntary organisations and Act 1980. Out of this an area of 382 hec­ other autonomous bodies registered under tares related to irrigation projects, including Societies Registration Act under control submergence under impounded waters. of the Government. This is in addition to programmes being run by the Govern­ (d) Among the various steps being taken/ ment in the Central and the State Sectors. initiated in Bihar for conservation of forests are more stringent enforcement of the pro­ (c) to (f) A proposal has been received vision of the Indian Forest Act and the from the ‘Bhartiya Patita Uddhar Sabha’ Forest (Conservation) Act, implementation New Delhi which inter-alia contains sug­ of Social Forestry or agro-forestry projects gestions for prohibition of prostitution and to meet increasing demand for fuel and rehabilitation of prostitutes and their fodder and timber so as to reduce pressure children. However, the subject matter on forests, implementation of afforstation ‘Social Defence’ falls in the State Sector. programmes to improve tree cover in de­ Government of India is not proposing to graded forest lands, increased patrolling by construct shelters (Ashrams) for prostitutes. mobile armed squads and constitution of However, a scheme for Strengthening of village committees for forest protection and Protective Homes run under the Immoral management. Traffic Prevention Act in the States/Union Employment Card to Labourers Territories was formulated as part of observance of 1990 as the SAARC Year of 115. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: the Girl Child. A sum of Rs. 18.56 lakhs Will the Minister ot* LABOUR be pleased was released as a one-time assistance to the to state : Central Social Welfare Board for streng­ thening 16 Protective Homes in 11 States (a) whether the Government propose to and the Union Territory of Delhi. issue employment card and provide pro­ 165 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 166 vident fund facilities to each labourer (7) Pondicherry University. whether he is a daily wage earner or em­ ployed on temporary basis; and (8) Visvn Bharati. (9) Jamia Millia Islamia. (b) if so, the action taken hi the matter ? (10) Indira Gandhi National Open University. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF LABOUR. (SHRI K. Acts to set up new Central Universities RAMAMURTHY) : (a) and (b) There in Assam and Nagaland have also been is no proposal at present to issue employ­ passed by Parliament in 1989. However, ment card. The Employees’ Provident notification to give effect to the Acts have Funds Scheme, 1952 was however, not been issued. amended in October, 1990 and the require­ ment of three months continuous service Central Universities are established by or sixty days of actual work for member­ Acts of Parliament. These Universities ship of the provident *und was done have been set up in iesponse to certain away altogether. Now all the workers, historical, cultural ana Central-State con­ including daily wage earners, are eligible siderations. Centra] Government does not for membership of the provident fund generally favour setting up of new Central from the first day of employment in the Universities and expects that the State coverable establishment.' Governments themselves should take steps for improvement of standards of their [Englishl universities. Central Governments have been receiv­ CRITERIA FOR SETTING UP OF ing suggestions from various quarters from CENTRAL UNIVERSITIES time to time to set up new Central Uni­ versities in different States’ Regions of the 116. SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN : country. However, in view of the Govern­ Will the Minister of HUMAN RFSOURCE ment policy and severe constraint of DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : resources, Government has not taken a (a) the criteria adopted for setting up decision to start any new Central of Central Universities by the Govern­ University. ment: CONSTRUCTION OF BUILDINGS FOR (b) the list of the existing Central KENDRIYA VIDYALAYAS IN ORISSA Universities; and 117. SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN : (c) the details of proposals for setting Will the Minister of HUMAN RESOURCE up of new Central Universities now under DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : examination of Government ? fa) the names of Kendriya Vidyalayas THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ in Orissa for which school buildings are SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI yet to be constructed ? ARJUN SINGH) : (a) to (c) At present, (b) the reasons for delay in the con­ there are ten Central Universities in the struction of school buildings; and country as indicated below ■— (1) Aligarh Muslim University. (c) the steps taken to-date for expediting the process of consrnction ? (2) Banaras Hindu University. THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ (3) University of Delhi. SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARJUN SINGH): (a) and (b) School (4) University of Hyderabad. Buildings of the following 8 Kendriya (5) Jawaharlal Nehru Univeisitv. Vidyalayas in Orissa are yet to be (6) North Eastern Hill University. constructed. 167 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 16g

School Remarks

(1) Jhursugnda Land not yet transferred by sponsoring agencies.

(2) Bondamonda Land not yet transferred by sponsoring agencies.

(3) Baripada Land not yet transferred by sponsoring agencies. (4) NAD Sonabeda Land not yet transferred by sponsoiing agencies.

(5) No. 2 CRPF Bhubaneshwar Land not yet transferred by sponsoring agencies. (6) Bolangir Land not yet transferred by sponsoring agencies.

(7) Mancheshwnr Lease deed execution pending. (8) Cuttack Lease deed execution pending.

(c) The Sangathan has been pursuing Details are furnished in the Statement I the matter with the sponsoring Agencies for below. transfer of land/execution of deed for which they have recently been (b) Details are furnished in Statement II reminded. below.

FOREST COVER (c) Details are furnished in Statement III below. 118. SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN : Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT (d) Following schemes are being imple­ AHD FO&ESte be pleased to state : mented to increase the area under forest/ tree cover. However, no time frame is (a) the details of recorded forest areas given for achieving forest cover of 33.3 reserved and otherwise for each State/ percent: Union Territory; (1) The Integrated Wastelands Deve­ (b) the percentage of forest cover actually lopment Scheme. available now in each State/Union Terri­ (2) Scheme for fuelwood and fodder tory; project. (c) the coverage made to-date under (3) Peoples nurseries scheme. affdrestation /plantation programmes, on forest and fton-forest lands in each State/ (4) Scheme of raising plantations of Union Territory; and minor forest produce including medicinal plants. (d) the steps being taken for achieving forest cover of 33.3 per cent within a given (5) Scheme of Aerial seeding. time frame by respective State/Union (6) Scheme for development of forest Territory ? and pasture seeds. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (7) Margin money scheme. *PNISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Forests (sh r i k a m a l n a t h ): (a) (8 ) Grant-in-aid scheme. 169 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 170

STATEMENT-}

RECORDED FOREST AREA

S.No. States/Uts Forest area (SQ.Km.)

1 2 3

1. Andhia P radesh ...... 63771 2. Arunachal Pradesh...... 51540 3. A s s a m ...... 30708 4. B ih p .r ...... 29230 5. Goa (Including Daman & Diu) .... 1053 6. 18777 7. Haryana ...... 1685 8. Himachal Pradesh ...... 21325 9. Jammu & K a s h m i r ...... 20892 10. K a r n a ta k a ...... 38644 11. K e r a la ...... * . . 11222 12. Madhya P r a d e s h ...... 155414 13. Maharashtra ...... 64055 14. Manipur...... 15155 15. Meghalaya ...... 8514 16. M i z o r a m ...... 15935 17. Nagaland ...... 8625 18. O r is s a ...... 59555 19. P u n ja b ...... 2803 20. R a j a s t h a n ...... 31151 21. Sikkim ...... 2650 22. T a m iln a d u ...... 22319 23. T ripura...... 6280 24. Uttar P r a d e s h ...... 51269 25. West B e n g al...... 11879 26. Andaman & Nicobar Islands ..... 7144 27. C h an d ig arh ...... 6 28. Dadra & Nagar H a v e li...... 203 29. D e l h i ...... 42 30. L akshdw eep...... — 31. P ondicherry...... —• 751846 171 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 172

STATEMENT-11 ACTUAL FOREST COVER (In sq. km. ) S.No. State/Uts Geographi- Actual Actual cal area forest forest cover ass- cover as essed based of geogra- on 1985-87 phical imagery area

1. Andhra P r a d e s h ...... 276820 47911 17.31 2. Arunachal P rad esh ...... 83580 68763 82.3 3. A s s a m ...... 78520 26058 33.2 4. B i h a r ...... 173880 2 6934 15.49 5. G o a ...... 3698 1300 35.2 6. G u ja r a t...... 195980 11670 6.0 7. H a r y a n a ...... 44220 563 1.3 8 . Himachal P ra d esh ...... 55670 13377 24.03 9. Jammu Kashm ir...... 2 22240 20424 9.1 10. K a r n a ta k a ...... 191770 32100 16.74 11. K e r a la ...... 38870 10149 26.1 12. Madhya P r a d e s h ...... 442840 133191 30.1 13. M aharashrta...... 307760 44058 14.32 14. ManiDur...... 22360 17885 80.0 15. M e g h a la y a ...... 22490 15690 69.8 16. Mizoram...... 21090 18178 86.2 17. N a g a l a n d ...... 16530 14356 86.8 18. O r is s a ...... 155780 47137 30.3 19- P u n ja b ...... 50360 1161 2.3 20. R a j a s t h a n ...... 342210 12966 3.8 21. S ik k im ...... 7300 3124 42.8 22. Tamil N a d u ...... 130070 17715 13.62 23. T ripura...... 10480 5325 50.08 24. Uttar Pradesh...... 294411 33844 11.5 25. West B e n g a l...... 87850 8394 9.6 26. A <6 N Island ...... 8290 7624 91.96 27. C handigarh...... 114 8 7.02 28. Dadra & Nagar H a v e l i ...... 490 205 41.84 29. Daman

STATEMENT- III

STATE /UTs WISE AFFORESTATION/PLANTATION PROGRAMME

S.No. Sutes/Uts Afforestation (in ha.) 1951-90

1 2 3

1. Andhra Pradesh ...... 10488455 2. Arunachal P ra d e sh ...... 98804 3. Assam ...... 302617 4. Bihar ...... 1033279.5 5. Goa (Including Daman & D iu ) ...... 43069 6. Gujarat ...... 1470441 7. H aryaua ...... 414630 8. Himachal Pradesh ...... 415792 9. Jammu & Kashmir ...... 182831 10. K a r n a t a k a ...... 1493878.5 11. K e r o h ...... 542403 12. Madhya P r a d e s h ...... 1989814 13. M ah arash tra...... 1429299 14. Manipur ...... 74265.5 15. Meghalaya ...... 229464.5 16. Mizoram ...... 187566 17. N agaland ...... 121230 18. O r i s s a ...... 952281.5 19. P u n j a b ...... 362285 20. Rajasthan ...... 573686 21. S ik k im ...... 48395.5 22. Tamil Nadu ...... 1069762.5 23. T rip u ra ...... 134334.5 24. Uttar Pradesh ...... 2234261 25. West B e n g a l...... 570634 26 A & N Islands...... 55463.5 27. C h a n d ig a r h ...... 1897.5 28. Dadra & Nagar H a v e l i ...... 15258.5 29. D e l h i ...... 19173 30. L ak sh d w eep ...... 326.5 31. Pondicherry ...... 4049.5

T o ta l...... 26559647.5

DRINKING WATER IN DELHI supply required to meet the demand of the population of Delhi; 119. SHRI KALKA DASS: Will the Minister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be (c) whether Government have recently pleased to state: entered into an agreement with the neigh­ (a) the quantity of drinking water be­ bouring States for getting raw water; and ing supplied to people in Delhi; (d) if so, the details thereof and the time (b) the population of Delhi according by which the water will be made avail­ to 1991 census and the quantity of water able ? 175 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 17 ^

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE given on 6 March 1991 to Unstarred Ques­ MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ tion No. 1793 regarding MRTS in Delhi MENT : (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : and state: (a) and (b) : The total capacity for potable water production of Municipal Corporation (a) whether any detailed analysis of the of Delhi is 470 MGD against the total re­ report submitted by RITES including funds quirement of 535 MGD as per approved and resource availability has since been norms for the 1991 population of 93.70 made; lakhs. (b) whether the steering committee ap­ (c) and (d) (i) Government of Uttar Pra­ pointed to go into the various aspects of desh has agreed to supply 300 cusecs of the proposed system and to monitor pre­ water from Tehri Dam which is under con­ paratory action for processing the project struction. further has made any headway in the matter; (ii) 0.5 MAF (million acre feet) of water has been earmarked for Delhi use from (c) if so, the details thereof; and Kishau Dam. (d) the details of progress made on the (iii) 0.37 MAF of water has been ear­ construction of the flyovers in Delhi ? marked from Renuka Dam in Himachal Pradesh on River Giri. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ OUT OF TURN ALLOTMENT OF MENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : GOVERNMENT ACCOMMODATION (a) The Techno-economic feasibility study submitted by RITES to the Delhi Adminis­ 120. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : tration recommending the introduction of Will the Minister of URBAN DEVELOP­ a multi-modal MRTS network for Delhi MENT be pleased to state: has also identified a number of areas for (a) whether attention of the Govern­ resource mobilisation. This Report has ment has been drawn to the news item ap­ been discuss: J on a number of occasions at pearing in the ‘Indian Express’ dated 5ih inter-ministerial fora. The Steering Com­ April 1991 captioned “controversy over mittee constituted by the Government of Urban Development Secretary’s transfer”. India under the chairmanship of Chief Sec­ retary, Delhi Administration has been (b) the details of the guidelines for out of charged with the responsibility of going in­ turn allotment of Government accommo­ to various aspects of the MRTS. dation; (c> the number of quarters allotted out (b) and (c) The Steering Committee has of turn during the years 1988-89; 1989-90 in its meetings gone into various aspects of and 1990-91, year-wise, type-wise, colony- the preparatory action required. Since some wise and how does the same compare with issues required more detailed analysis they the guidelines and the details of the cases decided to constitute one Sub-committee to of the violation of the guidelines; and go into evolving short-term measures to be taken for the proper implementation of the (d) the number of Government servants proposed MRTS and another Sub-Com­ who were allotted one type higher accom­ mittee to go into the aspects of funding modation and the reasons therefor? MRTS through property development, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE etc. MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ MENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : (d) The following are the details of the (a) to (d) Information is being collected flyovers under construction: and will be laid on the Table of the House. I. By Delhi Administration (PWD) M.R.T.S. IN DELHI (i) Railway overbridge at Okhla- 121. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Decking for the flyover over the Will the Minister of URBAN DEVELOP­ Railway portion is being done by MENT be pleased to refer to the reply the Railway*. 177 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 178

(ii) Flyover near Monkey Bridge near (iv) Construction of Railway Uo&f- Yamuna Bazar— bridge connecting Ashok Vih*r Started in November, 1990. Test pile with Wazirpur Industrial Area— foundations, sub-soil investigations have 60 per cent of the work has been been carried out. Construction of retain­ completed. ing wall for the solid portion of the flyover as also the slip road and the diversion road (v) Widening of Railway Overbridge have been taken up. on Delhi-Karnal Railway Line connecting G.T. Road with Ashe* Vihar— II. By Delhi Tourism and Transport Deve­ lopment Corporation. The work is 60 per cent com­ plete. (i) Flyover at the inter-section of Loni-Wazirabad— (vi) Construction of Railway Over­ bridge connecting S.P. Mukherjee Work is nearing completion. Marg with Azad Market including (ii) Flyover on inter-section at outer Pul Mithai— Ring Road and J. V. Tito Marg The portion connecting S. P. (Chirag Delhi)— Mukherjee Marg with Azad Mar­ ket already been opened to tra­ Covering of drains and construc­ ffic. The work of widening of tion of slip roads for diversion of Pul Mithai is in Progress. traffic have been completed. Pile foundation work has been taken TRIFURCATION OF D.D.A. up. 122. SHRI RAJNATH SONKAR (iii) Flyover at inter-section of Outer SHASTRI: Will the Minister of URBAN Ring Road and Aurobindo Marg DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: (IIT crossing)— (a) whether there is an urgent need to Construction of slip roads for revamp and trifurcate the D.D.A. keeping in view its poor performance on the duties diversion of traffic is in progress. Action has been taken to take a and roles assigned to it and its connected matters like efficient transport system while small portion of land from IIT Campus. planning the city etc.; and (b) if so, the steps taken or proposed to III. By Municipal Corporation of Delhi. be taken by the Government in this re­ gard ? (i) Grade Separator-cum-flyover on Grand Trunk Road (Shahdara)— THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE About 40% of the work has been MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ completed. MENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : (ii) Construction of Road Under­ (a) and (b) Decisions have been taken to bridge connecting Mehrauli- transfer some of the functions which are Badarpur Road with Mathura presently being performed by the DDA. Road near Badarpur— These decisions, inter alia, inclu

the Delhi Administration. Implementation (iii) Nanak Pura Market of the other decisions is also being pursued with Delhi Admn. Shop Nos. 125, 140, 141, 161, 163, 169, 170, 171, 172, 1, 127, 6, ENCROACHMENT IN SOUTH DELHI 7, 9, 15, 22, 23, 26, 27, 40. 123. SHRI RAJNATH SONKAR (iv) R. K. Puram Market Sector-IV SHASTRI: Will the Minister of URBAN Shop Nos. 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, DEVELOPMENT be pleased to refer to 12, 13, 18 & 19, 26, 28, between the reply given on 22 August 1990 to shop No. 27 & 28, 29, 30, Stall Unstarred Question No. 2148 and state: No. 1, 5 & 6. Sector-VI, 34, Stall 1 to 50. (a) whether information has since been Sector-VII, 1 and 2. collected; Sector VIII, Stall No. 42 (b) if so, the details thereof: and B. Details of Shops which are merged (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? (i) Sector-IV, R.K. Puram Market THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Shop No. 5 and 18 MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ (ii) Nanak Pura Market MENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : Shop No. 12 and 39. (a) Yes, Sir. C. Details of Shops where land encroached (b) Details of unauthorised encroachment near the market and constructed Godown is given in the attached statement. therein. (c) Does not arise. (i) I.N.A. Market Statement Between Shop No. 189 and 190, 1. Details of Unauthorised Construction Between Shop No. 183 and 196. under the jurisdiction of Directorate of Between Shop No. 203, and 204, Estates. Between Shop No. 197 and 210.

A-Details of Shops Extended. (ii) Nanak Pura Market. Front of Shop No. 127, 132, 135, (i) Mehar Chand Market. and side of Stall No. 28, 175. Shop Nos. 1 to 6, 8, 9, 10, 12 to (iii) Sector-IV, R. K. Puram. 16, 17, 18, to 24, 24A, 25 to 40, Shop No. 5, 6 and Fuel Depot. 41, 47, 48, 49, 51, 55, 56, 56-A, Sector-VI, R. K. Ptiram. 57, 58, 65 to 72, 72-A, 73, 74, Near Stall No. 25. 76 to 79, 81 to 88, 91 to 104, Sector-VIII R. K., Puram. 106, 109 to 122, 125, 127, to 133, Fuel Depot, Adjacent to shop No. 135, 136, 138, 139, 142 to 150 45, between shop No. 43 & 46, and 152. back side of Chawla Tent House Shops Nos. 4, 7, 44, 45, 46, 52, which is Unauthorised adjacent to 67, 68, 71, 72, 76, 80, 81, 89, 93, shop locked by DE front of shop 98, 100, 103, 104-A, 119, 137 No. 44, front of shop No. 44, and 148. front of shop No. 4, shop adjacent to floor mill in the front of shop (ii) I.N.A. Market No. 4. area occupied oil Depot in the front of shop No. 4, Coal Platform No. 209, 227, 166 to & Fuel Depot near Qrs. No. 410, 172, 1 to 2, 229, 228, 230, 232, and adjacent to Sector-VIIL Mar­ 234, 236, 238, 240, 242, 244, ket. Unauthorised Chawla Tent 246, 248, 250, 252, 254, 256, 258, House adjacent to shop locked by 260. 262. 266. 268. 270 272. 274. DF and area occupied by Cosmo 276, 27$, 280, 282, 284, 286, Travels in the front of shop lock­ 288. ed by DE. 1$1 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 182

2. Details of Unauthorised construction (vii) C-18, C. C. Mukherjee Nagar. under the jurisdiction of M.C.D. (via) C.-16, C. C. Mukherjee Nagar. (i) 122-B/12 Gautam Nagar Extn, of colony projection on land at OF/ (ix) 10 & 11, C. C. Mukherjee Nagar. FF, S/C (Re-construction from Ground floor to Bersati floor and 4. Details of Unauthorised Construction laying of RCC Roof over the under the Jurisdiction of N.D.M.C. existing room) (ACC sheet at (j) The details regarding cases of un­ Barasati floor). authorised const, like extn. of exist­ (ii) E-7, Kailash Colony, Unauthorised ing building detected during the Construction of partition wall in Iasi three years is as under basement and additions of co­ (ii) 1987 ------365. verage at B.F. & G. with addi­ tions alterations of partition walls 198b ------169. at ground floor. 1989-—— — 226. (iii) A-45, Hauz Khas, Unauthorised (iii) No record regarding the cases of Construction of partition walls in encroacnment on roads by the Basement with addition of cover­ shop owners is maintained by the age at Barasati Roof. N.D.M.C. Since such unautho­ (iv) B-11/Mohan Cooperative lndl. rised construction are of tempo­ Estate, Mathura Road, Unautho­ rary nature and removal action is rised Construction in the Mazza- taken by the Enforcement Deptt. nine Extesion of Chajja at First of the N.D.M.C. under Section Floor making a room. 174 (2) of the P.M. Act whereby no notice is required to be given (v) P-94, N.D.S.E. II. Unauthorised before taking such removal action. Construction by addition/extn, of Bersati G /F Roof projection of j. Detail, oi' Unauthorised Construction basement. ijiuei use jurisdiction of P.W.D. (vi) Extn. on Mpl. road by over 2 and (i) M/S Aggarwal Sweet Corner, fixation of shutter therein premises Sarai Pipal Thala, Delhi Con­ No. 1627-28/VI, Lai Kuan Bazar, structed a Platform on Service Delhi. Road. (vii) Extn. on Mpl. road by about 2 in (ii) The Hotel adjacent to Noor bagh premises No. 849/X , Chandni Mas j id was extended on service Mahal Delhi. road. 3. Details of Unauthorised Construction (iii) On Mahatma Gandhi Road, under the jurisdiction by D.D.A. Delhi a Hotel is being constructed (i) 14, Community Centre Mayapuri named Kaka. The Hotel, Phase-I. Mahindra Park by the side of footh-path and service road. (ii) 2, Community Centre, Mayapuri, Phase-I. (iv) M/s Sabin Timber Store, Sarai Pipal Thala. Delhi constructed a (iii) 6, Community Centre, Mayapuri, way by dismentling foot path. Phase-r. (v) A pucca Boundary wall was con­ (iv) 11, Shopping Centre-II, Jhilmil structed by Sh. Jugal Kishor© A- Tehirpur, Phase-I. II, Panchawati, Azadpur, Delhi. (v) 33, Community Centre, Wazirpur, (vi) Unauthorised Jhuggies were con­ Phase-IL structed by M/s Suraj Auto (vi) l, Local Shopping Centre, Ashok Works near the land of road at Vihar, Phase-11. Wazirabad round about. 183 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Written Answers 184

NEWS ITEM CAPTIONED “WAS IT admitted his lapse and tendered an apology. THE RIGHT LEG, DOCTOR” The full facts were reported to the Lt. 124. SHRI RAJNATH SONKAR Governor but as there was no malafides, the matter was not pursued. SHASTRI: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to However, the Lt. Governor of Delhi has state; been requested to consider payment of due compensation to the patient and also to take (a) whether the attention of the Govern- appropriate disciplinary action against the m m t has been drawn to the news item concerned doctor. ‘Was it the right leg, doctor” appearing in the "Indian Express” dated lOtn April 1991; LETTERS FROM M.Ps. (b) whether the doctors in Guru Tegh 125. SHRI RAJNATH SONKAR Bahadur Hospital, Delhi operated the left SHASTRI: Will the Minister of URBAN leg instead of the right leg of 70 year old DEVELOPMENT be pleased to refer to blind woman; the reply given on 4 April, 1990 to Un­ starred Question No. 3445 regarding letters (c) whether any complaint has been from Members of Parliament and state: lodged in this regard; (a) whether the remaining letters have (d) if so, the details thereof and the since been replied, if not, the reasons for action taken against the delinquent doctors the inordinate delay; for gross negligence and carelessness and steps taken to ensure the non-recurrence of (b) how many letters were received from the same in future; the M.Ps by his Ministry, by the Chairman of D.D.A. and the DDA on Housing bet­ (e) whether any compensation has been ween April, 1990 to April 1991, how many paid to the woman for the injury suffered of these letters have been replied and the by her; and reasons for the pendency of the remaining letters; and (f) if so, the details thereof ? (c) the details of steps taken to ensure THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the acknowledgement of letters expeditious­ MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY ly where the information is readily avail­ WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA able ? DEVI): (a) and (b) Yes, Sir, the incident THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ocpured in Guru Teg Bahadur Hospital MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ which is one of the hospitals under the MENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : Delhi Administration, (a) to (c) The information is being collected (c) to (f). Delhi Administration has in­ and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha. formed that the grandson of the patient CONSUMER PRICE INDEX made a complaint to the Medical Superin­ tendent of the hospital a day after the 127. SHRI RAM NAIK: Will the Minis­ incident occured. The matter was investi­ ter of LABOUR be pleased to state : gated by the Medical Superintendent per­ sonally. He reported that because of the (a) whether the Government propose to large dumber of patients requiring treat­ reconstitute the consumer price index; and ment during emergency hours, this mishap (b) if so, the details thereof ? had unfortunately occurred due to over­ sight. However, the patient was discharged THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE after appropriate treatment and the party MINISTRY OF LABOUR (SHRI K. has no further complaint. Precautions RAMAMURTHY): (a) At present, the have since been taken to prevent such oc- Government do not propose to reconstitute curcapces in future. the Consumer Price Index for industrial workers with 1982 as the base year. Delhi Administration has further inform­ ed that the doctor in his explanation has (b) Does not arise. 185 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 186

SLUMS ON GOVERNMENT LAND IN They fix wages depending upon the socio­ BOMBAY economic development and geographical conditions of the area. The problem Of 128. SHRI RAM NAIK: Will the Minis­ inter-State disparity in the minimum ter of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleas­ wages has been a subject of discussion at ed to state: various fora. The Conference of Labour Ministers held in 1985 recommended that (c) the details of slums for which no whenever there is a wide disparity in where there are slums on the Union Gov­ wages in particular scheduled employ­ ernment land in Greater Bombay; ments covering two or more States efforts (c) the details of slums for which no should be made by all concerned to reduce objection certificates for providing civic dispartiy. The 28th Indian Labour amenities have been issued by the Union Conference (1985) discussed the need Government; and for national minimum wage. It held (c) the detais of slums for which no ob­ that till such time as this is feasible it jection certificates have not been issued and v. on Id be desirable to have regional the reasons therefor ? minimum wages in regard to which the Central Government may lay down the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE guidelines. The guidelines have been MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOP­ formulated in this regard and circulated MENT (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : to ail the State Governments/ Union Terri­ (a) to (c) The information is being collect­ tory Administrations. The Central Gov­ ed and will be laid on the Table of the ernment has also advised the State Gov­ Sabha. ernments not to fix minimum wage in AGRICULTURE LABOUR AND any scheduled employment less than Rs. WAGES 15/- per day. 129. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased Regardmg the inter-State disparity the to state : Mmimurn Wages Act, 1948 empowers an appropriate Government to fiix different (a) the percentage of rise in the agri­ minimum rates of wages for different culture labour at the end of the Seventh scheduled employment and also for diffe­ Plan and penultimate year of the Eighth rent localities in the same State. For Plan, separately; 1 example, the States of Andhra Pradesh, Arunachal Pradesh, Karnataka, Maha­ (b) the percentage of decline io Ihe rashtra, Manipur and the Union Terri­ self employed, at the end of the Seventh tories of Andaman & Nicobar and Pondi­ Plan and the penultimate year of the cherry have fixed different minimum rates Eighth Plan; of wages in the employment in agricul­ (c) the names of the States where dis­ ture depending upon ihe areas/zones in parity in the minimum wages continues the States. to exist in the unorganised rural sector; and AIR POLLUTION BY DESU (d) the steps contemplated by the Government in this regard ? 130. SHRI M. V. CHANDRASHEKARA MUR THY' : Will the Minister of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be MINISTRY OF LABOUR (SHRI pleased to state : K. RAMAMURTHY) : (a) and (b) Information is being collected and will (a) whether attention of the Govern­ be laid on the Table of the House. ment has been drawn to a news-item cap­ (c) and (d) Each State Government is tioned “Caution DESU area ahead'’ an appropriate Government under the appeared in Hindustan Times dates June Minimum Wages Act, 1948 for fixation/ 6, 1991 regarding pollution on account of revision of wages in scheduled employ­ fly ash from DESU fly ash pond near ments under their territorial jurisdiction. Nizamuddin bridge in East Delhi; 187 Written Answers JULY 15; 1991 Written Answers 188

(b) whether the Government propose to IMPACT OF FAMILY PLANNING initiate action against DESU for this PROGRAMME ON POPULATION hazardous pollution of the environment; 132. SHRI RAM VII AS PASWAN : and Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the percentage rise in country’s MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND population (men, women and children, FORESTS (SHRI KAMAL NATH) : (a) separately) according to provisional 1991 Yes, Sir. Census; (b) and (c) The Government has taken (b) the names of the States which have shown consistent rising trend in up the matter regarding managemnet of fly-ash in an environmentally sound manner population and the percentage rise thereof; with the DESU and Delhi Administration. (c) whether the Family Planning Pro­ grammes have not yielded the desired re­ IMPORT OF PACEMAKERS FROM sults and have failed to achieve the objec­ USA tives; and 131. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : (d) if so, the new strategy proposed to Will the Minister of HEALTH AND be formulated by the Government in this FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state : regard ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the pacemakers imported MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY from U.S.A. for implementation in WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA patients are retrieved from the bodies and DEVI): (a) The provisional population are not allowed to be reused in U.S.; totals based on 1991 Census so far avail­ (b) if so, what are the reasons for able from Registrar General and Census importing such devices the use of which Commissioner, India gives the percent­ is considered unethical in the medical age rise only in respect of total popula­ world; and tion. According to 1991 Census, the percentage rise in the total population is (c) whether Government proposes to 23.5% over the 1981 Census figure. The stop the imports of pacemakers from annual exponential growth rate of the U.S.A. ? population during the decade 1981-91 is THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 2.11%. MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (b) A statement giving State-wise per­ WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA centage decadal variation in population DEVI) : (a) and (b) No case of im­ during the last four decades i.e. 1951-61 plementation of pacemakers retrieved to 1981-91 is attached. from the bodies in the patients has came to the notice of the Government. (c) The targets envisaged to be reach­ ed by the end of Seventh Plan in respect (c) There is no restriction to import of the Family Planning Programme and from any country except South Africa, the latests achievements available against Fiji and Iraq. these indicators are given here under :—

Indicator Target by the Latest achieve- end of Seventh ments (1989) Plan (1990)

1. Birth Rate (per 1000 population) . . . .29.1 30.5 2. Couple Protection R a t e ...... 42 % 43.3 % (as on 31st M~rch 1990 ) 3. Infant Mortality Rate (per 1000 live births) 90 91 189 Written Answers ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Written A ngers 190

(df) The strategy involves improving approaches, greater involvement of voluntary quality of health services, strengthening organisation, greater efforts in training and health infrastructure, enhancing child sur­ retraining of personnel at the grass-root level, establishing greater intersectoral co­ vival rates through Universal Immunisa­ ordination. strengthening linkage with re­ tion Programme, providing newer contra­ lated development programmes like female ceptive methods, intensifying population literacy and improvement of women’s education enhancing community participa­ status and adoption of area intensive tion, adopting improved communication approach. STATEMENT PERCENTAGE DECADAL VARIATION IN POPULATION 1951-61 TO 1981-91 S-.No. State/Union Terri ton 1951-61 1961-71 1971-81 1981-91 1 2 3 4 5 6 1. Andhra Pradesh 4-15.65 4-20.90 4-23.10 4- 23 .82 2. Arunachal Pradesh @ 4-38.91 4-35.15 4-35.86 3. Assam ..... 4-34.98 4-34.95 4-23.36 4-23.58 4. B i h a r ...... 4-19.76 4-21.33 4-24.06 4-23.49 5. Goa ..... 4-7.77 4-34.7? ■ --26,74 4-15.96 6. Gujarat .... 4-26.88 4-29.39 4-27.67 4-20.80 7. Haryana .... 4-33.79 4-32.23 4-28.75 4-26.28 8. Himachal Pradesh;. 4-17.87 4-23.04 4-23.71 4-19.39 9. Jammu & Kashmir 4-9.44 4-29.65 4-29.65 4-28.92 10. Karnataka | . 4-21.57 --24 ° 2 4-26.75 4-20.69 11. K e ra la ...... 4-24.76 4-26.29 4-19.24 4 13.98 12. Madhya Pradesh .. 4-24.17 — 28.67 --25 .27 4-26.75 13. Maharashtra 4-23.60 4-27.45 4-24.54 4-25.36 14. Manipur .... 4-35.04 4-37.53 4-32.46 4-28.56 15. Meghalaya .... 4-27.03 4-31.50 4-32.04 4-31.80 16. Mizoram .... 4-35.61 4-24.93 4-48.55 4-38.98 17. Nagaland .... 4-14.07 4-39.88 4-50.05 4-56.86 18. O rissa...... 4-19.82 4-25.05 4-20.17 4-19.50 19. Punjab ..... 4-21.56 4-21.70 4-23.89 4-20.26 20. Rajasthan .... 4-26.20 4-27.83 4-32.97 -r28.07 21. Sikkim...... 4-17.76 4-29.38 4-50.77 4-27.57 22. Tamil Nadu .... 4-11.85 4-22.30 4-17.50 4-14.94 23. Tripura .... 4-78.71 4-36.28 4-31.92 4-33.69 24. Uttar Pradesh 4-16.66 4-19.78 4-25.49 4-25.16 25. West Bengal 4-32.80 4-26.87 4-23.17 4-24.55 26. A & N Islands 4-105.19 4-81.17 4-63.93 4-47.29 27. Chandigarh 4-394.13 4-114.59 4-75.55 4-41.88 28. D & N H aveli 4-39.56 4-27.96 4-39.78 4-33.63 29. Daman & Diu 4-24.56 4-70.85 4-26.07 4-28.43 30. D e l h i ...... 4-52.44 4-52.93 4-53.00 4-50.64 31. Lakshadweep 4-14.61 4-31.95 4-26.53 4-28.40 32. Pondicherry .... 4-16.34 4-27.81 4-28.15 4-30.60 All-India .... 4-21.51 4-24.80 4- 24.66* 4-23.50 *In 1981 Census was not conducted in Assc.m. Pased on the 1971 C ensus & 1991 Census provi- sional results, the population of Assam for 1981 have been interpolated. As consequence of the revised estimates for Assam for the yer.t 1981, the tote.l population of India as of 1981 h£.s been estimated as 68332S097 as r.gfjnst earlier published figures of 685184692. Hence the revised decadal growth rate of India during 1971-81 has been estimated 24.66 percent. @In Arunachal Pradesh the Census was conducted for the first time in 1961. Hence the growth rate for earlier decades are not available. 7—545 LSS/91 191 Written Answers JULY 15, 1991 Member Sworn 192

NATIONAL WAGE POLICY 22.00 hrs. 134. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJ­ MEMBER SWORN PAYEE : Will the Minister of LABOUR SHRI KRISHNA MARAND1 (Singh- be pleased to state : bhum) (a) whether there is a proposal to [Englishl formulate a national wage policy; and SHRI T. J. ANJALOSE (Alleppy) : (b) if so, the salient features of the In Kerala we had heavy rain-fall during proposed policy ? the monsoon and because of this heavy rain landslide and heavy storm 99 persons THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE were killed and thousands of hectares of MINISTRY OF LABOUR (SHRI K. agricultural land is under water. So RAMAMURTHY) : (a) No Sir. many buildings, bridges and roads (b) Does not arise. are damaged due to this. The total loss is of the order of Rs. 380 SETTING UP OF A TRAUMA CENTRE crores. I request an urgent help IN DELHI from the Centre on this matter, In my 135. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJ­ constituency Kuttained taluka is totally PAYEE : Will the Minister of HEALTH under the water. I request that the loans AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to of agricultural farmers in flood affected state : areas should be waived. (a) the reasons for the delay in setting SHRI P. G. NARAYANAN (Gobichet- up a full fledged Trauma Centre in Delhi Tiyalayam) : Sir, the Cauvery water dis­ to look after the accident cases expedi­ pute regarding the sharing of Cauvery tiously and efficiently: and water is pending for a long time between the State of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu. (b) the steps taken tc? expedite the set­ Now. on the direction of Supreme Court ting up of the Centre ? the Government of India has constituted THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE a tribunal to settle the dispute in accor­ MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY dance with the Inter-State River Water WELFARE (SHRIMATI D. K. THARA Disputes Act. DEVI) : (a) and (b) The project for Nowr, the Tribunal, after hearing both setting up a full-fledged Trauma Centre in the sides, has passed an interim cider, Delhi could not make much headway, based on merits, directing the State Gov­ during the initial states, when it was be­ ernment of Karnataka to release 205 ing implemented by the .Ail India Insti­ TMC of water, on a monthly pattern tute of Medical Sciences, due to lack of that is specified in the order, from its re­ appropriate multi-sectoral coordination. servoir to Tamil Nadu. Now, the Gov­ It was, therefore, felt in 1989 that the pro­ ernment cf Karnataka has refused to ject be taken up by Delhi Administration honour the order of the Tribunal. It is who have since formed a Registered a judicial order. No Government is Society fcr its implementation. above law. ( It has to be implemented. A Training Centre for Ambulance per­ What is the use of having a Tribunal sonnel has been started and the Ambulance under law if the order is not being honour­ service for the West Zone pilot project ed by the Government ? was commissioned on 15th March, 1991. 15 ambulances are deployed at 3 Ambu­ Sir, this is a problem of life and death lance Stations situated at Deen Dayal for Tamil Nadu. The agriculturists in Upadhay Hospital, Hari Nagar, MCD Tamil Nadu are not able to carry out Hospital, Moti Nagar; and Sanjay Gandhi their agricultural operation/ due to» lack Memorial Hospital, Mangolpuri. The of water. Kuruwai crop has to be raised zonal headquarters and the Central Con­ in the month of June-Juiy. But due to trol Room is located at Deen Dayal Upa- lack of water, they are not able to raise dhyay Hospital and round the clock free the crop. ambulance services are provided to the •Now. I would request the Prime Minis­ people of the West Zone of Delhi. ter to intervene in the matter and advise 193 Manber Sworn ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Member Sworn 194

the Government of Karnataka to abide by I would like to know from the Govern­ the direction of the Tribunal in the in­ ment of India, whether they are going to terest of justice. release some more amount to the fami­ lies of the deceased from the Prime Minis­ MR. SPEAKER : Shri Anbarasu. Not ter's Relief Fund immediately and if so, here. when ?

SHRI D. K. NAiKAR (Dharwad, MR. SPEAKER : Shri Kuppuswamy. North): Sir, allow me. I have given a Not here. Shri Janarthanan. notice under Rule 193 regarding Cauvery Water problem now that a case is made SHRI M. R. JANARTHANAN (Tirunel- out that the Tribunal has given an order veli) : I want to raise through you an. which is not implementable. < We have important matter about Rajiv Gandhi’s taken a contention that oniy 100 TMC assassination. There is a newspaper Re­ of water be given. But these people have port which says “LTTE owns responsi­ given a direction for 205 TMC which is bility for Rajiv Gandhi’s assassination.” practically impossible for us to give. In this context, the Central Govern­ Therefore the order itself is rendered ment must come forward to clear the unfit to be implemented. That is our doubts lingering in the minds of the Tamil case. Kindly allow the issue for discus­ Nadu people. A Member of Parliament sion under Rule 193. who belongs to DMK, has got secret links with the Leader of the LTTE, Shri SHRI S. MALLIKARJ UN A! AH (Tum- Pirabhakaran. He has used Shri Pira- kur) : The interim order of the Tribunal bhakaran’s photos in 1989 elections. He is impracticable. It is not based on was also posing with Shri Pirabhakaran. statistics or reason or logic. If there In that it was mentioned “Friends of were to be a mandatory order to the Tigers.’' Indira that regularly, every month, there Therefore it is the wish of the Tamil should be rains, in such circumstances Nadu people that the M.P., belonging only, that order could be implemented. to DMK, who has got secret connections It is absolutely impossible otherwise. For with Shri Pirabhakaran, the LTTE Leader, the past eight years, we are suffering with­ must be probed. Otherwise it would be out rains and there are a lot of areas in a great blunder. He is an important Karnataka itself which are want of water. man in the DMK Party. I do not want Because, of this it is impossible to imple­ to take his name. ment that order. Therefore we have filled a revision petition before the Tribunal that Translation the order of the Tribunal shall have to be reviewed. Therefore, it is impossible to SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA (Pali) : implement that order. So, the issue Mr. Speaker Sir, when Shri George Fer­ raised by the hon. Member do not hold nandes was the Minister of Railways, good. he had announced in this House that the railwav employees victimised during the SHRI CHINN ASAMY SRINIVASAN railway strike would be reinstated. His (Dindigul) : Sir, I want to raise an im­ successor in the subsequent Government portant issue regarding the recent blast had also announced that 700 railway em­ in a fireworks factory at Meenampatti, ployees would be reinstated who were -Sivakasi in Tamil Nadu where 36 people victimised for participating in the railway lost their lives and another five people strike in the year 1980-81. From 1980 suffered injuries. The hon. Chief Minis­ to 1991, eleven years have passed, but ter ,of Tamil Nadu has announced an nothing has so far been done in this ex gratia amount of Rs. 10,000 to the matter. The families of these railway next of kin who were killed in the blast employees are facing starvation. Mr. and Rs. 2500 to those people who have Speaker, Sir, the hon. Members belonging received injuries, from the Chief Minis­ to the Congress Party had created up­ ter’s Relief Fund. roarious scenes during the last session on 195 Member Sworn JULY 15, 1991 Member Sworn 196 thid isue. They had come to the Well his Budget unless he makes a statement to­ of the House and resorted to sit in to seek day. reinstatement of 700 railway employees. Since the Congress Government is in SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTER- power now. The Railway Minister TEE (Dum Dum) : Before the presenta­ should make an announcement in his tion of the Railway Budget, the Railway Budget Speech regarding the reinstatement Minister should make a statement. ( Inter - of 700 railway employees ...... (Inter- ruptiom) ruvtiotis). The hon. Minister of Railways snould make a statement ( Interruptions). SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA : He should make a statement today. ( Inter­ [English] ruptions) SHR1 BASU DEB ACHARIA (Ban- kura) : Seven hundred and sixty railway SHRI LOKANATH CHOUDHURY employees had been dismissed for parti­ (Jagatsinghpur) : He should make a state­ cipating in the strike in the year 1980-81. ment today. ( Interruptions) There was an unambiguous order on 8th MR. SPEAKER : Khuranaji, whatever September, 1990 with regard to this. Then you say will go on record. there was a statement by the Railway Minister, George Fernandes that all the SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTER- employees who were dismissed under rule JEE : Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Govemmeni 14(2) would be reinstated with all the should respond to this. This is a very benefits. Then another Railway Minister, seriuos matter. Janeshwar Mishra, also made a very categorical statement in this House to this SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA : Unless effect, when there w7as hangama in the the Railway Minister makes a statement House, when the proceedings of the today, we will not allow the Railway House were stalled by the Members from Minister to present the Budget. both sides of the House Treasury Benches SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTER- and the Opposition Parties—all sides of JEE : No Budget Speech will be allowed. the House demanded that these 760 rail­ way employees, who were victimised in the MR. SPEAKER : Khuranaji, you can year 1980-81—for 11 years, they were speak now\ out of job, out of service—should be re­ instated. But, uptill-now, no order has [Translation] been issued. We demand a statement from SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA the Railway Minister today, because (South Delhi) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, a tomorrow the Railway Minister will mysterious disease has claimed 51 lives in present the Railway Budget. We demand the capital city of Delhi. The Navbharat that in his Budget speech he should men­ Times of July 11 carries a headline— tion about reinstatement of these 760 rail­ “Delhi mein agyat bimari se 22 lok mare'’. way employees, who were victimised in “Mysterious disease kills 17 lives”. 29 the year 1980-81. (Interruptions). This people died of this mysterious disease in should be honoured by this Government. Safdarjung Hospital . The headlines in Mr. Kumarmangalam, who is now a the Hindustan Times says—“Officials mum Minister, staged a demonstration at that on killer disease'’. Three years ago. time and sat in the Well of the House. cholera had broken out in Delhi resulting There was an assurance that the Railway in deaths of hundreds of people. At that Minister will make a statement. He was time also, the officials of Delhi Adminis­ present at that time in the House. tration and Municipal Corporation had (Interruptions) kept mum. It was only after Shri Rajiv MR. SPEAKER : You can raise it during Gandhi personally visited some trans- the discussion on the Railway Budget. yamuna colonies that the Delhi Adminis­ tration admitted some deaths due to (Interruptions) cholera. What I want to say is that since SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA : We will there is no democratic Government in not allow the Railway Minister to present Delhi, this news is l>eing hushed np. I 197 Member Sworn ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Member Sworn 198

would like Home Minister or the SHRI CHITTA BASU (Bara sat) : I hon. Minister of Health to collect infor­ would like to draw ^ our attention and mation about Delhi and make a statement also of the House and the Government regarding the number of deaths and the to a very important event. Sir, you know, cause thereof. According to my informa­ the LTTE has claimed responsibility for tion the death tell in two hospitals is 51, the assassination of the former Prime and apart from that cases have been re­ Minister, Mr. Rajiv Gandhi. The LTTE gistered in some other hospitals and has also, as reported, celebrated the dispensaries and thus killer-disease has so occasion in a very pompous manner. Sir, far claimed ovtr 100 lives. The Delhi this action of the LTTE is highly con- Administration officials accept this fact. demnable. I strongly condemn this action, But in the absence of proper coordination of the LTTE. This matter does not rest between Delhi Ad mini station and the only with condemnation but this has wider Central Government, no steps arc being ramifications and political implications of taken to control this disease. I would great importance involving (1) bilateral like the hon. Minister of Health to give relations between India and Sri Lanka an assurance that he would call a joint (2) future of Indo-Sri Lanka agreement meeting of the Heads of the Depts. and (3) future of Verma Commission vvhich the medical officials of Delhi Administra­ has been entrusted to* have an inquiry into tion, Delhi Municipal Corporation very the tragic assassination and others. I soon .... want that the Government should make a comprehensive statement on these issues AN HON. MEMBER : A meeting because the countrymen are very much should be held with the M.Ps. of eager to know the Government of India’s Delhi. reaction to these issues. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : [Translation] Who bothers about M.P*. of Delhi these SHRI VISHWANATH DAS SHASTRI days ? All that I want to say is that a (Sultanpur) : Mr. Speaker Sir. on 21st joint meeting should he held with all these June, 4 bighas of land was allotted by the officials and steps taken to check ;he out­ Government in village Mahtosn of district break of this disease. Nainital in Uttar Pradesh to the farm PROF. PREM DHUMAL (Hamirpur): labourers for the purpose of constructing Mr. Speaker, Sir, gastroenteritis has taken houses. The farm labourers constructed the form of an epidemic in some areas their Jhuggis on that land, but the land­ of Himachal Pradesh. The State Govt, lords burnt their Jhuggis on 23rd June. with its meagre resources is taking all Their F.I.R. was not registered at the possible steps to contain It. but as the police station and consequently they sub­ treatment is a costly proposition and every mitted their application to the I.G., D.I.G. patient is? required to be given capsules and the Superintendent of Police. But no worth about Rs. 60 per day. The re­ action has so far been taken by the U.P. sources of the State Government being Government in the matter. limited, not all patients can be given this [English] costly treatment. I have already met the SHRI PALAI K. M. MATHEW hon. Union Minister of Health twice in (Tdukki) : Sir, in Kerala due to incessant this connection and have also written to torrential rains in the last two months, him stressing the urgent need to depute a vast areas of agricultural lands have been team of experts lo that State and to pro- totally devastated. In the mountainous vide financial assistance- so as to enable district of Idukki, loss of crores of rupees the State Government to provide medi­ has occurred owing to massive landslides cines to the patients. and heavy floods. An estimated loss of [English] Rupees four hundred crores has been suffered by the farmers. I request the Govt, SHRI SUBASH CHANDRA NAYAK : to provide sufficient aids and adequate com­ (Kalahandi): Kindly notify by putting pensation to the fanners and the local into tkc Gazette the interim Award in the people for their rehabilitation and normal Cauvery Water Dispute. life. 199 Member Sh orn JULY 15, 1991 Member Sworn 200

{Translation] has mentioned about an unknown disease. I want to draw7 the attention of the House SHRI DEEN DAYAL JOSHI (Kota) : to a known disease named Kala-Azar. This Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is unfortunate that the disease is not new in Bihar, it is there in terrorist activities of the Punjab militants the State since 1977. But of late, its inci­ are spreading to other parts of country too. dence has increased to such proportions 1 would like to submit that a meeting of that it has claimed about 50,000 lives so the militants was held in Kotkapura—last far. When Shri Raj Narain was the Union Tuesday in which three new Generals were Health Minister in 1977, assistance was appointed—for Rajasthan Jogendra Singh, sought by the State not only from the Cen­ for Abohar adjoining Rajasthan Bhai tral Government but also from the W.FI.O. Bhupendra Singh and for Ferozepur, II was only after the assistance reached Dharam Singh was appointed as General. fro in the quarters that the disease could be Besides, three terrorists were nabbed in controlled to some extent. The cost of one Rajasthan on Tuesday night when they via I of injection needed for the treatment were going to Ganganagar from Bikaner. of l his disease ranges between Rs. 450 to Both of them also have given some clues Ks. 500. Severity of this disease is so about terrorists activities. Two of these dreadful that once a family member catches terrorists have since fled from the police it, the entire family falls prey to it and is custody and are likely to cross over of wiped out. What I want to say is that it Pakistan. These terrorists are a cause of is beyond the means and resources of the serious concern to the entire nation because State to meet this challenge and. I feel, the their activities are no more confined to Central Government too is proving to be Punjab alone. Today itself, five policemen incapable of rising to the occasion. Under have been killed in Bijnor and Shahjahan- the circumstances, Government should pur which is a matter of serious concern. arrange spray on a large scale in collabora­ Through this adjournment motion, I want tion with the W.H.O. and provide relief to the hon. Minister of Home Affairs to make the affected families. I have just returned a categorical statement on the activities of after making an extensive tour of the the terrorists. The Government has taken affected area. The people have died in no concrete steps to check the activities of thousands and the epidemic continues to terrorists in Kota and Ganganagar. I would claim human lives. My constituency in request the Government to take effective particular including Samastipur, Darbhanga steps on an urgent basis. and Vaishali districts is severely affected SHRI CHANDRAJIT YADAV (Azam- where 3000 people are afflicted by this garh) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, severe drought disease. T would request the Government conditions have developed in Uttar Pradesh to take it seriously and take steps to con­ which has caused a serious concern for the tain this epidemic soaw by taking assistance farmers. It is now more than three weeks from W.H.O. since the monsoon was scheduled to arrive in the State, but there are no rains and the transformers of most of the tubewells are 12.26 hrs. not working. The power supply is very erratic and even canal water is not avail­ [English] able for irrigation. The Government of Uttar Pradesh has not taken any step so PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE far to meet the drought condition. I would Notification and Rules under Public liability like to draw the attention of the Central Insurance Act, 1991 Government towards the severe drought in the State and request them to take urgent THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE steps in the matter and provide needed assis­ MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND tance to the State so that the farmers could FORESTS (Shri Kamal Nath): I beg to get water from the tubewells and canals. lay on the Table— (Interruptions). (1) A copy of the Notification No. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN (Rosera): G.S.R. 253 (Hindi and English Mr. Speaker. Sir, just now Shri Khurana versions) published in Gazette of 201 Matter under Rule 377 ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Matter under Rule 311 202

India dated the 13th April, 1991 buildings, roads, bridges which have been appointing the 1st April, 1991 as undertaken so far under various Five Year the date on which the Public Lia­ Plans are lying incomplete for years to­ bility Insurance Act, 1991 shall gether. The ones which were completed are come into force issued under sub­ in a state of disrepair and are in bad section (2) of section 1 of the said shape. This has happened because of lack Act. (Placed in Library. See No. of proper on the spot monitoring and LT-29/91). supervision. This has resulted in huge wasteful expenditure. On the one hand (2) A copy of the Public Liability new construction work is going on in these Insurance Rules, 1991 (Hindi and areas whereas on the other hand incom­ English versions) published in plete projects and schemes are in ruins. This Notification No. S.O. 330 (E) in is because of poor quality building mate­ Gazette of India dated the 15th rial that has been used in them. No action May. 1991 under sub-section (3) is taken when complaints are made. of section 23 of the Public Liabi­ lity Insurance Act, 1991 (Placed Therefore, the Government should con­ in Library. See No. LT-30/91). stitute a Vigilance Committee under a Commissioner at the division level for on 12.27 hrs. the spot monitoring of the execution of MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 works during the Eighth Five Year Plan, The Government should direct the State [English] Governments to examine the technical (i) Need to provide Electronic or Auto­ points and take action against the guilty. matic Exchange at Wani, Maharashtra. This Committee should be vested with spe­ cial power of conducting raids. SHRI UTTAMRAO DEORAO PATTL (Yavatmal) : In Yavatmal division of Tele­ (iii) Need to include the construction of communication, there are continuous com­ broad gauge railway line from Ahmedabad plaints of non-working of telephone lines at to Delhi via Abu Road-Falna-Rani in the Wani and Yavatmal (Maharashtra). Wani next railway budget. Exchange is having outdated machinery. Telephone users have constantly been com­ [English] plaining about non-working of the tele­ phones there. SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA (Pali) : The construction of broad gauge railway It is requested that the exchange may be line from Ahmedabad to Delhi via Abu changed to Electronic Exchange imme­ Road, Faina, Rani is pending consideration diately or exchange at Wani changed to of the Railway Ministry since last twenty- automatic exchange. five years. The successive Railway Minis­ ters under reasonable political pressure (ii) Need to appoint a Vigilance Com­ have diverted the funds and not allowed mittee at division level to supervise the the railway line construction from Ahme­ construction work on the spot in Tribal dabad to Delhi to utilise the industrial and areas. mineral resources of areas and facilities to the passengers coming from South and [Translation] Bombay for having direct link and avoid the necessity of change at Ahmedabad SHRI MANKURAM SODI (Bastar): from broad gauge to metre gauge. The Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to draw the Government may, therefore, consider to attention of the House to an important include this proposal in the next Railway matter under Rule 377. Budget.

In the tribal Sub-Plan area various (iv) Need for early conversion of Delhi— works like minor irrigation schemes, bor­ Ahmedabad metre gauge line into broad ing of handpumps, construction of wells, gauge line. 203 Matter under Rule 111 JULY 15, 1991 Matter under Rule 377 204

[Translation] and many more are likely to be submerged PROF. RASA SJLNGH RAWAT (Ajmer): in fiver Ganga. The Flood Control De­ As far as railway traffic is concerned Rajas­ partment is not in a position to control the than has been neglected badly since Inde­ situation. Therefore, it is requested that pendence. As compared to other States effective steps be taken immediately to the railway facilities are very little. Delhi— check erosion particularly between Chausa Ahmedabad metre gauge line which con­ and Koilwar in Buxar district. nects the capitals of Rajasthan and Gujarat (vii) Need to send Central Survey Team viz., Jaipur and Ahmedabad respectively to assess the damage caused due to recent «nd also connects other regions of heavy rains in Bombay. Haryana, Rajasthan and Gujarat like Alwar, Bandikui, Jaipur, Phulera, Ajmer, Beawar, [English] Marwar Jn. Abu Road, Palampur and Mehsana etc., has not so far been converted SIJRI RAM NAIK (Bombay-North) : into a broad gauge line. If this line is Sir, there was unprecedented heavy rain on converted into broad gauge line, there will 7th and 8th June, 1991 in Mumbai (Bom­ be rapid economic, industrial and com­ bay) resulting in water blocking'on roads, mercial development of Rajasthan and important natural nullahs over-flowing to Gujarat and there will be direct link bet­ such an extent that forty-eight persons died, ween these States and Delhi and Bombay. 250 buffaloes were drowned and more than 75,000 families suffered as their belongings It is therefore, requested that Delhi— were swept away in floods. Neither the Ahmedabad metre gauge line may imme­ State Government nor the Central Govern­ diately be converted into broad gauge ment have done anything to extend relief line. to the flood stricken people. Public Under­ (v) Meed to construct a railway over­ takings, like Telephones, Airport Authority, bridge in Saharsa. Electricity Supply, etc. have got their machi­ nery and equipment damaged, the value of SHRI SURYA NARYAN YADAV which runs into crores. It is, therefore, (Saharsa): Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is only necessary for the Central Government to one manned railway level crossing in send a survey team to assess the damage Saharsa and the city lies on both sides of and extend help to the city with a condition the crossing. The crossing remains closed that the State Government should contri­ for houre together and sometimes even for bute matching grant. If this is not done, 5 to 6 hours in a day. As a result there the unrest and sufferings in Mumbai would is heavy traffic congestion and the people increase. have to face a lot of difficulties. As this road is the main artery of the city and (viii) Need to take up anti-desertification Government offices are located on both programmes in Anantapur district, Andhra sides of the crossing, there is heavy traffic Pradesh. on this road which makes the problem more serious. SHRI GANGADHARA SANIPALLI fHindupur): In 1971 the Central Irrigation Therefore, I request the Government to Commission had declared Anantapur in construct an overbridge on the said railway Andhra Pradesh as drought prone area. level crossing and ease the difficulty of the From time to time scientists and technical people. Besides it would help in saving lot personnel studying the area have been warn­ of petrol and diesel also. ing the Government repeatedly that if in (vi) Need to take immediate steps to the course of time tjie required action is net check erosion caused by river Ganga in taken for implementing proper schemes the Buxar district of Bihar. Ditsrict might become a Desert. Recently alarm was raised regarding further decrease SHRI TEJ NARAYAN SINGH (Buxar): in ground water level. I request the Gov­ Mr* Speaker, Sir, from Chausa to Koilwar ernment to take up anti-desertification prog­ in !Buxar district of Bihar, there is conti- rammes and advise State Government to xmous erosion by river (Sfcaga. Thousands take special steps to face the g ra^; situa­ of villages have already been sabaaerged tion. 205 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 206

12.36 hrs. any party in the House nor the people out­ side desire elections today. As far as the MOTION OF CONFIDENCE IN THE economic situation is concerned, the coun­ COUNCIL OF MINISTERS ADOPTED try is passing through a financial crisis. The other day, on the 11th of this month, [English] Shri Vijaya Bhaskara Reddy, Minister of MR. SPEAKER: Now, we take up the Law, Justice and Company Affairs, said debate on the confidence Motion moved by that the expenditure in the last elections Shri P. V. Narasimharao on 12th July was Rs. 1054.22 crores. You can under­ 1991. Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait may stand the exhorbitant expenditure we had continue his speech. to incur on election. And in addition to this, you can imagine how much money SHRI LAL K. ADVANI (Gandhinagar;: was spent by the parties, how much money Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to know at was spent by the candidates and their what time the Prime Minister would reply friends. Therefore, it is totally disas­ and at what time the voting is likely to take trous to have another election now. So, place. It would be advantageous to the this Government should continue parti­ entire house if a tentative schedule is fixed cularly because we have got very very for that. explosive and sensitive problems that should be solved and these problems can­ THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ not be left as they are today. TARY AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD) : It depends upon the number of Now, Shri Advaniji pointed out that this speakers. As far as the Congress Party is Government had certain oddities — so concerned, we would like to field as less many seats are vacant and the constitution M.Ps. as possible, but I do not know what of the Lok Sabha is not complete, and so is the number of speakers from the Oppo­ on. No doubt seats are vacant in Parlia­ sition side. ment and this is due to the faulty electoral system. Many seats are vacant because SHRI LAL K. ADVANI: I take it that elections in some constituencies were the time will be between 4 p.m. and 5 countermanded and the cult of violence has p.m. (Interruptions). crept in the political arena. Today muscle power and money power influenced the elec­ MR. SPEAKER : It will be tentatively at tions in a big way. The electoral system has 4 O’clock. to change because the present system does not actually reflect the will of the people. SHRI LAL K. ADVANI: Between 4 So, this system needs drastic changes. But p.m. and 5 p.m. is O.K. one thing that has to be borne in mind is SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAIT that this Government though it does not (Ponnani) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I Just start­ have a clear mandate, has at least got ed speaking on the Confidence Motion a near mandate. If any party has got moved by the Prime Minister last Friday something near a mandate, it is the Cong­ and I had just spoken for five minutes. ress Party which has got it. As far as Later on discussion on Private Members’ the main recognised Opposition Party is Resolutions started at 3.30 p.m. and there­ concerned, it is the Congress Party which fore, I had to leave my speech unfinished. has got double the mandate of the main Opposition Party. As far as the National What I said the other day when I start­ Front is concerned, the Congress Party has ed my speech was that this Government of got four times the mandate of the National Shri Narasimha Rao is a Government Front. Therefore, it is just and fair legally and constitutionally constituted be­ that the Congress Party should continue to cause the Congress (I) is the single largest govern the country in the coming years. party in the House and the President in At this juncture, we must have a stable and his wisdom had invited the Congress Party strong Government in the country1 and to form the Government. Now, the alter­ therefore, I feel that all the secular and native to this Goverment is only elections. democratic parties should cooperate with Nobody wants the election. That would the Government and should isolate fascist be disastrous for the country. Neither and communal forces; all the like-minded, 207 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 208 secular and democratic parties should come INDIAN EXPRESSS on the 8th of this together. If they do not do so, they fail month. Now, I want to quote from the to serve the nation. President’s Address, paragraph-3 : As far as the minorities are concerned, “Places of worship must be treated I must say here today, this Geverment with due respect. We cannot allow deserves the support of the minorities. communal elements to defile their So far, we have not had any other Gov­ sanctity by using such places as in­ ernment which had come out so much struments to generate controversy sympathetically towards the minorities. 1 and discord. Government will make say this not only because of the Congress every effort to find a negotiated set­ (I) manifesto but also because of the tlement to the Ram Janma Bhoomi- declaration of the Prime Minister and Babri Masjid issue with due regard to also because of the President's Address. the sentiments of both communities We have got so many very complicated involved. In case of all other places and sensitive problems like the Babri of workship, a Bill will be introduc­ Masjid-Ram Janma Bhoomi issue. Here ed to maintain the status quo as on also, the Government has come out very 15th August, 1947, in order to fore­ clearly. (Interruptions) Let us not cry close any new controversy." over spilt milk; let us try to solve the Never before in the independent India, problem. I know full well that as far the President has declared categorically as the Ram Janma Bhoomi-Babri Masjid about the sentiments of the country7 in his issue is concerned there is no difference Address. It is a clear commitment not between the Congress and the CP1(M); only of the Congress Party but of the Gov­ there is no difference between the Janata ernment of this country. Dal and the Congress. So. all the parties can come together to solve the problem. Minorities desire that the Government The Congress Party has come forward must stand by this commitment and the with a very clear assurance on this Congress Party must stand by this com­ issue. (Interruptions) I quote from the mitment and to protect secularism. Congress (I ) manifesto : [Translation] “The Congress us committed to find­ AN HON. MEMBER : Who was in­ ing a negotiated settlement of this strumented for the foundation in laying issue which fully respects the senti­ ceremony ? ments of both communities involved. SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAIT : If such a settlement cannot be reach­ We have always opposed the laying of ed, all parties must respect the order foundation stone. If Congress has and verdict of the court: The Con­ changed its stand that is their outlook but gress is for the construction of the we have always opposed it. Circumstan­ Temple without dismantling the ces change and if you want ...... Mosque/’ [English] Nobody is against the construction of We can sit together and discuss the temple. What we are against is that issue to have a negotiated settlement where the temple should not be constructed it has to be constructed. We want a demolishing the mosque. It is against peaceful settlement. We want communal the religious sentiments and against secu­ harmony. We want communalism should larism; securalism will be demolished {if be checked. We should come to an the masjid is demolished. We should understanding. This is what Janata Dal respect the sentiments of all the commu­ also wants. Other secular parties also nities; the sanctity of the masjid should want the same. Therefore, I say that be respected; secularism should be res­ the Government should be given a chance pected; the masjid should remain tltere to continue so that they must try to solve and the temple can be constructed with­ the problem amicably in a peaceful man­ out demolishing the mosque. Here also, ner so that we can protect the integrity an assurance has been given by the Prime of the country and lead the country on Minister when he gave interview to the the path of peace and progress. 209 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 210

Therefore, I feel that it is the duty of 242 of Congress and its allies against a all thes secular parties at this juncture total combination of 267 in Opposition. when the country is facing grave crisis, I would like to know from him whether to give their support to this Government all parties whom he had taken into so that this Government can solve the prob­ account are with him as one combined lems. We want the Government to be stable opposition with the same principles and and strong and continue in order to solve same goal. Where is the need to say the problems and to see that they protect about the arithmetics on the basis which the integrity and secularism of the coun­ are against truth? There are also 36 try.' seats vacant. Does it mean the BJP will SHRI A. ASHOKARAJ (Perambatur): win in all 36 seats ? So, Mr. Advaniji’s Mr, Speaker, Sir, on behalf of my party, calculations of minority government are AJADMK, 1 rise to participate in the entirely different from that of the other minority governments. Our nation is Confidence Motion. once again at cross-roads. Prudently, In our Election Manifesto, my party we have to manage our efforts and prove leader, Puratchi Thalaivi Selvi Jayalalitha to the people that we are capable of had requested the people of Tamil Nadu defending the sovreignity of the nation to vote for AIADMK and Congress and also take it forward. alliance. The people had responded to the extent of 100% voting to Parliament and 98 % of voting to Legislature of We have immense faith lin our people. Tamil Nadu. The reason is that we They have almost sent all political parties wanted a stable Government at the to this august House. They have sent Centre. Stability means not only stability us here in the fond hope that all of us of the government but also the stability of will put our heads and souls together the nation. That should be the concern whenever the question of national interest is at stake. We have to give up some of all the political parties. of our old animosities. The whole in 1977, a non-Congress Government, world is undergoing rapid changes. That namely Janata Government came to power calls for new thinking and new approach with a vast majority but they could not on our part. also. We are facing ter­ rule for more than 30 months. In 1989, rorism in many parts of India. Many Janata Dal came to power with BJP sup­ precious lives are being sacrificed every­ port, as the Congress which was the day. My party leader, Selvi Jayalalitha’s single largest party at that time refused life is an great danger. So, I request to take over power. Therefore in the that adequate Central Force should be 6th Lok Sabha and 9th Lok Sabha, non- made available to protect her life. All Congress Governments could not last long of us, without any difference, should treat because the two non-Congress Govern­ terrorism as our common enemy. No. ments had miserably failed on those two use of throwing the blame on anyone occasions. That is why we want to have party. It should be fought and defeated a stable government under the Congress collectively. Party. Mr. L. K. Advaniji hon. Leader of the Similarly, we are facing acute econo­ Opposition told this House on the other mic problems. The new Government is day that the Congress Government was grappling with the problems. We should the fifth minority government. He knows give enough time to try their best to set that it is a different one from the other the house in order. Economic problems four non-Congress minority Governments. cannot be solved in a day or a week. We The four previous minority governments should keep in mind the need to take were formed, not by any single largest necessary care to see that the burden is party but now the Congress which is a not shifted to the shoulders of the poor single largest party has formed the Gov- common people. The IRDP and other ernnarent. But, Mr. Advaniji has con­ welfare measures for the weaker sections veniently avoided to tell this fact Mr. should not be stopped and we should also Advaniji 'is telling the arithematics i.e., see that it reaches the poor. 211 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 212

Our country has adequate natural re­ (Interruptions) sources. We have human talents also. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY : We should be proud of our scientists and Mr. Speaker, Sir, this minority Government their achievements. Our workers too is seeding the vote of confidence of this are contributing a lot to the wealth of the House. This is a minority Government. nation. Janata Dal should rise to the Ai tiie same time, it is also minor in age. occasion. They should not forget that Generally, the merits and demerits of a people are losing faith in them. teenage Government are not judged by the I would like to make one joke with performance of a Government. But this some modifications at this juncture. A Government is truly exceptional in the man was riding in his motor-cycle at sense that we never had this kind of a mino­ night. He saw two lights were coming rity Government which did not have an as­ towards him. As he was riding in a sured support from outside. Also, we have been compelled today to judge, to make motor-cycle, he thought that two motor­ cycles were coming towards him with two an opinion about this Government on the headlights. Instead of going to the right basis of its performance also within these or to left, he had decided to go in centre three weeks. The kind of attitude shown between those coming two lights. Un­ by this Government is totally devoid of fortunately, the two lights were from a any real understanding of the complicated heavy vehicle. The fate of the motor­ political situation that is prevailing today. cyclist can be imagined. I request the After a long, gruelling and painful election Janata Dai to think of the motor-cyclist process which produced a hung Parliament and come to a conclusion in the national and thereby created a Government of mino­ interest. v rity support, the people of the country hoped that as we are having so many prob­ It is my duty to point out the agonies lems facing the country, this Government of the Tamil Nadu people in not getting will pay attention to solve these problems the Cauveri waters. with an attitude of cooperation and dialo­ gue with the Opposition Parties. But in a I request the hon. Prime Minister to most indecent hurry, this Government, be­ intervene and do justice to implement the fore proving its majority in the House, orders of Cauveri tribunal. I w'ould without having the confidence of the House, make it clear that it has nothing to do undertook major policy decisions which are with the confidence motion. in our opinion totally harmful for the inte­ I request the Prime Minister also to rests of the country and in many way a assist the Tamil Nadu Government finan­ kind of surrender to the dictates of interna­ cially as Tamil Nadu, under the Ieareship tional financial institutions. of the ho a. Chief Minister Selvi Jaya- Sir, we have all criticised the decisions lalitha is going to implement the prohi­ taken by the Government to devalue the bition policy as a result of which the Rupee. In a most clandestine way, this Tamil Nadu Government would be losing was done. It was said that the Govern- more than Rs. 350 crores. rnent was just adjusting the value of Rupee with the basket of currencies, foreign cur­ At this juncture I would also like to remind that Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru had rencies. One day after that there was an­ other dose of devaluation. While doing given a promise that he would safeguard the interests of the non-Hindi speaking this, despite the repeated requests by the Opposition Parties who understood the in­ people. tricacies of the prevailing situation, who MR. SPEAKER: Shri Saifuddin Chou- wanted that there has to be a Government dhury to speak now. to tackle the burning national issues, you never bothered to talk to them honestly SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY and sincerely. In a most arrogant man­ (Kaiwa) : Sir, will there be a Lunch Hour ner, you took unilateral decisions on wMch today ? we have a lot of differences with you. This MR. SPEAKER: There will be a Lunch is not the attitude to be shown. We had Hour and Lunch. minority Governments before. They had 213 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 214 an assured support, a committed support. you also got disappointed. And the BJP But you do not have that. But the way you got disappointed in the sense that they in­ are behaving, it seems that you have got voked the name of Lord Rama. Still they three-fourth majority in the House. And a could not come to power in centre. That Government with three-fourth majority in is a shock for them. (Interruptions). If the past did not dare to do or behave in a the God could not save them, I believe, no manner in which you are doing now. Can one can save them. 1 wish Mr. Advani there be any compromise in this ? We would have been here. This is a good sign know there are many problems. We have that majority of our people in the country problems of terrorism, we have problems are still secular. Mr. Advani had quoted of secessionist agitation; we have problems the London Economist stating that ‘winnor ox ethnic conflict in the country; we have come second’. It may be true in London. problems of communal divide in the coun­ But in Lucknow what we find it is win by try. There is a need for secular forces to default BJP is in power in U.P. because the come together and see that communalism Janata Dal had been split. If you put to­ do not sway or divert the wav that is be­ gether the Mulayam Singh Yadav’s vote ing attempted. Why is that happening ? and the Janata Dal's vote and even if you do not take, for the time being, the Cong­ There arc many in this country who have ress vote, then they are more and had they been fighting for secularism. But then have been together the results would have they been taken into confidence ? Is that been like it happened in Bihar. This is the the approach to tackle the situation ? I point. Now Mr. Advani has said that the had you have totally disappointed us. We days of anti-Congress regime is over. It is cannot just wish away the kind of political a deal-oriented declaration. But the real situation that is prevailing today. We had issue is to understand intricacies of the a hung Parliament before. This time we present situation, the gravity of the prevail­ are having a hung Parliament. May be, ing crisis. Now how to get rid of present next time there will be another hung Parlia­ crisis. Can we give our consent to this ment. How have we to react to that situa­ kind of economic reforms ? Mr. Chidam­ tion? We cannot just go every month to baram who was the Minister in the Home the people and have a poll. We cannot go. Ministry looking after the portfolio of Inter­ Then how to react to this is a point. But nal Security, Public Grievances and Pen­ then you have also to respond. What is sion, he has become a Minister of Com­ that response ? ? merce. Now how does he know everything Now, the verdict of the people during that in a hurry, he declared a policy ? I the last year has disappointed everybody— want to know' where was that discussed ? disappointed the Congress Party, the BJP, Had the Cabinet discussed it ? Did you disappointed us also. We thought that the discuss it with the Opposition? Now, you kind of stand taken by the V.P. Singh Gov­ are going to have the industrial policy for­ ernment for secularism, for social justicc mulated. Did you discuss it with the Op­ would really give better results. But we position parties ? Are you serious to run did not have that because of many factors. this country and the Government ? We We had two elections—one was preassassi­ know that there are many political parties nation and the other was post-assassination. which do not want to go to the people. But. I will never forget the kind of shock I had you should not take the Opposition for when I received the news about the grue­ granted. Today we are observing ‘the Anti- some murder of Shri Rajiv Gandhi. That Devaluation Day’ all over the country. We was the sacrifice, I believe, for the country. are demonstrating in Delhi and in other He sacrificed his life for his party also. We parts of the country. We are organising have also found out that there are many people and they will resist all your re­ surveys conducted by interested concerns. actionary policies. Surveys were conducted. I think, there were three or four surveys conducted. In one stroke, you have devalued the Many of them were prepaid surveys. Many rupee by 18 per cent or 20 per cent. Are of them indicated that you would have you sure of getting the IMF loan? Are 300 or 280 seats. Even after the supreme you going to get it ? I do not know. Is sacrifice when you did not get that, I believe there no other alternative but to accept the 215 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 216

IMF conditionalities ? You have sent Gold this ? We cannot give our consent to the to the London Bank. The explanation kind of sell out you are undertaking. Then, given for that is, “we are apprehensive of there is a talk of abolition of MRTP Com­ getting the IMF ioan; We may or may not mission. There are talks of a relaxation to get that; and that is why we have kept it the FERA regulation to the point of deci­ there; in case of need we will mortgage it mation. Then import liberalisation is there. and get money’’. But you have already How are you going to boost our export ? given that. You do not know whether you 1s this our policy ? I do not know. You will get the IMF loan or not. But, before will find that there are many other aspects that you have accepted the conditionalities. connected with international relations also. I read in the Press what the World Bank What will be our stand in the GATT, if we spokesman has said. He said, “we have accept the IMF conditionalities ? What sent programmes to the Government for will be our stand ? Mr. Prime Minister had reform; before passing the Budget, they said that on NPT, “there is no pressure". will have to accept it and on their progress That may be true today; but what will hap­ depends the further loan”. Where is the pen if that pressure comes tomorrow ? report ? Why it had not been shown to the Then, the problem of Jammu & Kashmir is then Prime Minister Shri Chandra Shekhar? there; and many other issues are also there. He had reacted on that. Is IMF the only We have played a bright role in the past way? Is there not any other alternative and we have to play that in future also. way ? There are alternatives. We have said so Shri Manmohan Singh is the Finance and many economists have said so. Bui, I Minister now. What did he as Secretary of will just quote one. Shri Arun Ghosh, the South Commission say ? He said, “IMF former Member of Planning Commission prescription is of doubtful value”. Shri had written something. I think you would Julius Narere is the Chairman of the South have got the papers from your officials. Commission. We have many economists One point he said is that, domestic savings and social scientists to say that the IMF should be equal to the domestic invest­ prescription is not good for a third world ment. To overcome fiscal deficit he suggest­ country. In an article in the Statesman of ed that past methods should be discarded 5th July this year, Shri J. K. Galbraith has such as cut on social expenditure, educa­ said, ctthe IMF dictates and intervenes in tion, health, etc. Can we allow' this ? can the affairs of the Third World countries: I we demolish our public distribution sys­ do not approve of these”. tem ? Can we allow cut on food subsidies ? We cannot. But, in one stroke by devaluation of rupee, you have increased the burden of Then, I come to allocation to the States. foreign debt; you have increased the bill Can there be a cut ? We cannot alio*, it for the import that is taking place, without It would be very harmful. I mentioned having earned a single paise of loan. It about West Bengal Government approach. is a suicidal path. There are many ways It is our party approach. We are serious to tackle the economic situation. An alter­ about tackling the pressing economic prob­ native approach has been given by the West lems. Then, there can be increased in Bengal Government. We are serious about direct tax both by efficient collection and it. We are not playing petty politics. The increase of rates; postponement of some in­ country is in real crises. We have to save vestments which are not crucial enough. the people from poverty. I saw a photo­ That can be done also. Then, strict con­ graph in the Press and I forgot to bring trol over inessential Government expendi­ that. In Orissa at one place, the poverty- ture can be kept. We have to sort out our striken father beheaded his son and drank problems. Then, strict curb on inessential the blood. I saw it and T felt so bad about imports is also suggested. Real efforts to it. augment exports have to be made through labour intensive industrial activities. Mr There arc alternatives. 35 economists Manmohan Singh has said. We have to have given their alternatives. (Interrup­ look out to Taiwan and South Korea and tions). What will happen if we go on like all that. Ts that a model for India ? It 217 Motion ofConfidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SARA) Motion ofConfidence 218 cannot be a model. The kind of economic terrorists. Now what is the result of that ? policies these countries are pursuing have 1 find that they are now claiming that with­ led to the murder of democracy and free­ out independence, there cannot be any talk. dom of the people. We have to find an Is this the v/ay of appeasement that is go­ Indian solution to our Indian problems. If ing to help our country to remain united. we allow multi-nationals, if we open our No, that cannot be. We have seen this kind economy to multi-nationals, our indigenous of movement cannot last very long. industry will be totally destroyed in this country. If capital goods are allowed to be You have seen the fate of AGP. What imported like anything, what will happen kind of hold they have on the people of to our capital goods industry ? It is a very Assam? Today they are divided and dis­ important question. Opposition can have carded by the people of Assam. We have cooperation with the Govt. But it has to to have some faith in the people. We have be on real issues and not on certain con­ to talk to the people, not to this or that siderations. terrorist. It is a very very wrong thing to do that and we cannot support that. Mr. Advani said that some people warned to avoid an election because that will bene­ There are so many things. Take Jammu fit a particular party. But that is not the and Kashmir. Is that a party problem ? consideration. This is most shallow under­ Can we go on politicking on that. Kashmir standing of the situation. We need to has to be saved. How ? If secularism is make a new beginning of united India to declining in the country, we cannot save tackle the burning national issues but the Kashmir. We cannot save Punjab. We beginning is very bad. The attitude of this cannot save our North-Eastern India. Some Government is very bad. There is no indi­ friends of ours should understand that. cation of a serious approach for coopera­ In this House we require reasoned be­ tion and to tackle the basic issue-s confront­ haviour. Right kind of signals must go ing the people. What will happen to Pun­ from here that we are united. We should jab ? We did not like when the polls were not try to communalise everything. We announecd without proper preparations. have to tackle the issue of Ram Janma- That was a wrong thing to be done. Cer­ bhoomi-Babri Masjid dispute. We have to tain political steps have to be taken to take tackle it. I do not know which way it will the people into confidence. That was not be solved and it may be through dialogue. done. Then, security measures were not If dialogue fails, then, we have to abide by properly augmented. Many people were the court decision. I am dismayed to hear killed. Still we decided that we will take certain people say that they will not abide part. Then, we found that it was going to by the Court verdict. Why should not they be a farce and the whole thing will be abide by the court verdict ? When they say given to the terrorists on a platter. Then, that they will not abide by the court verdict we decided not to participate. We with­ and that they will fight it out in the streets, drew our candidates from Punjab election. they are dishonouring the court which is Now a new date has been given by the part of the Rashtra. I say this because they Election Commission. swear on Ram Bhakti and say Ram Bhakti is Rashtra Bhakti. (Interruptions). That date has to be honoured and kept. Before that, measures are to be taken so [Translation] that all the political parties can take part. SHRI DEEN DAYAL JOSHI (Kota) : With the old approach—with military and What happened when the Court gave its para-military forces only can you tackle the verdict in Shah Bano case ? Why were you situation ? No. On the ground, the need tight-lipped at that time ? Why did you is for the mobilisation of the people. That not speak on the Shah Bano case in the is what we had been telling in this House Lok Sabha at that time (interruptions). before also. But no serious attempt was made to really mobilise the people. [English]

In Assam, in a most unilateral way, you SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY : have decided to give amnesty to ULFA That is a very right question. I must say 219 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 220

that then I was a Member of this House (Shri Shared Dighe in the Chair) and I raised my voice of protest against Motion of confidence in the council of changing the law on the Shah Bhano case Ministers—Contd. and we warned the Government, “if you do this, it will help other communal ele­ [English] ments. Please don’t do this. The country SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Midnapore): will be in a dire strait if you do it.” Mr. Chairman Sir, the Prime Minister has 1 talked to Mr. Rajiv Gandhi, I am sorry asked for the confidence of this House in he is not alive. We appealed to him and his Council of Ministers. The first ques­ we exhorted him not to do it. Our women tion that I want to raise is this. For what —Muslim women—came upto the gate of is this confidence being sought ? I raise this Parliament. I am not a Muslim when I question because this discussion on the vote speak in this House. I am a Muslim when of confidence has come at a time or has I go to a mosque but, of course, I do not been so fixed that the functioning of this go to a mosque. As an MP, I am neither Government is yet to unfold itself. So, it a Muslim nor a Hindu. I am an Indian. is not possible for anybody to give a vote This identity has to be established in this of confidence in the abstract. We have to House. Changing the law on Shah Bano judge the Government on its merits and by case was the basic wrong committed and its performance and functioning. with that started the vigorous decline of Therefore, I question whether this confi­ secularism in this country. For that. I dence is being asked for on the basis of blame the earlier Govt, of the present rul­ whatever the Government has done or has ing Party. Now, if you are fully committed not done over the few days that it is in to secularism you have to break with all office or whether it is being asked for in your wrong past. Otherwise, if you conti­ anticipation of what they propose to do nue with your hoary past policies, bad during this year or during this budget policies of the past, you cannot exude con­ session. fidence in the minds of the people and may be by default you may continue for two or As far as what they propose to do is three or six months. But no power on concerned, we have only got some bare out­ earth will be able to sustain you. lines from some general disclosures which We cannot support the way you are going. have been made on behalf of the Govern­ We cannot support you and that is why ment and also from whatever is appearing Sir, we also declare in this House that we in the press. I will come to that later. criticise, condemn and attack the policies If it is a question of seeking confidence that this Government is pursuing. We also on the basis of whatever the Government mobilise the people outside and there can­ has done and how it has behaved during not be any support from us on this confi­ these very few days that it has been in dence motion. office, then I must say that that functioning With these w ords I thank you very much does not inspire any confidence. I am talk­ for giving me time. ing here particularly and naturally because SHRI INDERJIT (Darjeeling): When the main performance of the Government will the voting take place. Sir ? is yet to come; I am speaking about the style of functioning which is very very im­ MR. SPEAKER: I will declare that portant. For a Government which is in a later. It may be tentatively between 4 and minority; a Government which requires I 5 p.m. suppose support if it has to keep itself in 13.19 hrs. Office, for such a Government the style of The Lok Sabha then adjourned for functioning is very important. Lunch till fifteen minutes past Fourteen of Mr. Advani here referred, during his the Clock. speech, to the occasions on which there was a minority Government in this House sup­ The Lok Sabha reassembled after Lunch at ported by other parties from outside. He seventeen minutes past Fourteen of the referred more than once to the Government Clock. of Mrs. Indira Gandhi after the solit which J23X Motion-ofConfidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 222 took place in the Congress Party in 1969 shares of the fruits of development and that and he mentioned that Government was they have been neglected. This is some­ sustained only because of refusal of some thing which is vitally bound up with the parties, including my party, to vote for the whole question of Centre-State relations. Vote of No-Confidence in that Govern­ But I don’t find any reaction, any mention ment. It was a question of whether we anywhere either in the President’s Address. should or we should not support a Vote We are not debating the President’s Address of No-Confidence. Mrs. Gandhi’s Govern­ today but parts of it are bound to overlap ment at that time undertook some very im­ for the simple reason that this debate is tak­ portant though controversial reform ing place now and President’s Address has measures including nationalisation of already been delivered and it is before us. banks, the abolition of Privy Purses and some other measures which we broadly sup­ We in the Opposition did not appoint the ported. Many people did not like those Sarkaria Commission. At that time, the things and they opposed them. But there Government which appointed the Sarkaria was some basis on which it was possible for Commission thought it at least sufficiently us at least to say that we do not want such a serious matter to appoint a Commission a Government, which is undertaking these to go into the whole gamut of Centre-State types of measures, to be pulled down. relations. That voluminous Report of Shri Sarkaria is gathering dust in the files. Not a least attempt has been made to process it, Sir, Mr. Narasimha Rao’s Government is to discuss it with the Opposition to see behaving, in my opinion from the outset, whether the parts of that Report, the re­ as though it is not a minority Government commendations, can at least be implement­ at all but that is a Government enjoying a ed. Nothing. But this Centre-State rela­ majority in this House and, therefore, is at tions is a matter which I think, this country liberty to take unilaterally all sorts of dras­ can ignore now only at its peril. There­ tic measures which can have very far reach­ fore. I am saying that this Government is ing and very serious fall-outs. As far as talking only about one aspect of the crisis, I understand, Sir, a minority Government if that is the question of financial deficit, it wants support has to function, whether budgetary deficit, balance of trade, foreign it likes or not, on the basis of consultations ecxhange crisis. All that, I agree. They and consensus and taking the OKK»ition are there. They are very serious. The or at least parts of the Opposition into con­ remedy which is being proposed, is a matter fidence. which is open for discussion and contro­ versy. But what about the other problems Everybody in the country agrees that which are hanging fire for a long-long time? there is a national crisis, perhaps of un­ I do not know whether this financial and paralleled magnitude and I don’t agree that economic crisis of the magnitude which we it is only a crisis which concerns Mr. have been told has assumed now could Manmohan Singh only. Economic crisis is really have developed just overnight. It very grave. No doubt there is a financial could not have developed overnight, so that crisis but there is also a political crisis; suddenly the Finance Minister has to say there is also a social crisis in the country. that unless we manage to get some short­ term loans from somewhere, we will not We have also referred earlier to the pro­ perhaps be able to meet our requirements, tracted and seemingly insoluble problems. our expenditure, even in the month of July, No Government has cmm forward yet with or we have to transfer some tonnes of gold any solution of Punjab Kashmir or of as collateral security we are told of foreign Assam. The problems of armed insur­ banks, in foreign countries so that that can gency is cropping up in various parts of the act as a security to get some money country. Besides, in many States and in otherwise, we are not in a position to carry many outlying and backward areas of the on. Can such a situation develop over­ country there is a growing feeling among night ? It could not. This is something the people of alienation from the Central which has been developing over the years seat -of power. Rightly or wrongly people due to many factors, including reckless ex­ in those areas do feel that they are not get­ penditure, reckless squandering of our re­ ting a fair deal; they are not getting the sources and all kinds of populist measures. 8—545 LSS/91 a2 2i Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 224

1 am not blaming anybody in particular. country in order to restore normalcy and Everybody had tne share of this. Anyway, peace, bo, it is not a very simple prob' what I am trying to say, Sir, is this. We lem. itf*d a meeting in which the Prime Minister and tne Finance Minister were very kind 1 may remind you that the election pro­ to call the Leaders of the political parties cess which began with the calling of names on the 27th of June where, we were told for uie candiuaies and ail that, was started that we would be taken into confidence and in me Punjab simultaneously with tne rest briefed thoroughly by the Finance Minister of. tne country, although, at that time also, about the economic and financial part of the polling date for 1iie Punjab was fixed on the crisis. But on the 27th of June, in 2.4m or June, but the process began on the that meeting, we were not given the slight­ same day. So, an extended period was est inkling that within a very few days of mere.during wmcn if you were really so that meeting, in two successive doses, de­ worried about me security situation in preciation or devaluation or whatever y ou Punjab, you siiould have realised that this would like to call it is going to be done. extended period would give the militants The value of the Rupees was going to be limner opportunities and time to kill can­ brought down by 21 per cent. No inkling didates whom they wanted to kill in ordei was given of the fact that gold was going to io get elections sabotaged; and that was be transferred because an earlier Govern­ uone. Some 15 or 26 candidates were kill- ment had transferred gold. Rather we ed. And then at the very last moment were given to understand that this Govern­ when 36 hours were left for voting, when ment is not going to repeat that. the Governor of Punjab himself was say­ ing that elections should be held in spite of I am giving these examples to show— tne security problems, but they should be the Prime Minister may say that all these tie-linked from the rest of the country so things cannot be revealed and that they are that after the elections in the rest of the not going to tell all these things in ad­ country are completed, sufficient security vance to us—the seriousness of the situa­ forces can be mobilised in the Punjab, at tion. But I would like to say that if you that last minute, somebody decided that the want the Opposition to appreciate as I whole process of elections in the Punjab think you do about the depth and the mag­ should be stopped now. And now the nitude of the crisis, then you must put your whole thing has to be repeated all over cards on the table otherwise, you cannot again. 1 hope those unfortunate candidates expect people to just swallow whatever is who had been killed, at least during this being told to them. period will be given adequate compensa­ Therefore, my quarrel first is with the tion for having foolishly got nominated as style of functioning which has been pro­ candidates not knowing that they were go­ ceeding ever since then. ing to be killed in this way and no election will be held either. Somebody is botching The Punjab elections were postponed up things. I do not blame the Election thirtysix hours before the polling was due Commissioner; I do not blame the Govern­ to be held. I do not know who is res­ ment. We do not know actually what trans­ ponsible for it. Somebody should tell us pired. After the killing of Mr. Rajiv who is responsible for it. There can be Gandhi, when the election dates were post­ endless controversy over whether conditions poned by three weeks, you remember there in Punjab were conducive to holding fair was a controversy which appeared in the and free elections or not. I agree that Press also. The Chief Election Commis­ there is a serious security problem also. sioner was asked, why did you do this ? You could have postponed the election by But there is also the dilemma that if we some days, but why did you postpone it by go on denying the democratic process to three weeks. He said, I was following the the people of Punjab and if we go on just Government's order. It was dictation to depending on the President’s Rule and the him by the Government. The Government police raj, then also we have to consider which was there at that time. “The Gov­ whether that is eventually going to help the ernment dictated to me; I had no choice”, militants more or is it going to help the he said. And the next day, a spokesman '225 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKAj Motion oj Confidence 226 oi the Government came out publicly say­ It should act with a proper attitude and ing that Mr. Seshan’s statement was abso­ a proper outlook which it has not been do­ lutely baseless; no dictation was done to ing. him at all. Whom should we believe ? What is going or 1 do not know. So, we Then, 1 come to the other question ot must be very sensitive and cautious about why we are asked to give confidence to the way we handle this kind of problems. this Government in advance before they come out with all their package of mea­ sures. All w'e know about at the moment We are faced with a serious secessionist is that they are preparing to go to the IMF. insurgency which is threatening to take a That has been confirmed. They have gone region of this country out of the country to the IMF, not preparing to go. What and to set up some kind of theoratic or the Finance Minister told us was that there some independent State there. is no other way to survive except to get a sizeable loan from the International Mone­ So, up-iill-now, 1 consider that the first tary Fund. thing this Government, since it assumed oiiice, should have done is not to just hold Now, apart from tnat, other things that meetings for one hour or two hours with they are proposing in the way of economic the Finance Minister explaining things, as reforms, and so on are there. We have he chose to do; but they should have a to depend largely on the Press, on what series of meetings with the Opposition economists are saying, what economic where all these various issues could be taken journals are writing, and so on. But my up a;id considered in depth; and the Gov­ quarrel here is not that. Of course, re­ ernment should tell us and also ask us our forms may be necessary. I do not deny it. suggestions, our opinions how they should When socialist countries can bring about deal with the matter and tell us what are such big reforms, some of them delayed the steps they propose to take. 1 do not too long, and paid the price for it, why want to elaborate this point any further. not India ? But the biggest of the socialist I\ly point is that before the actual perform­ countries which initiated a very massive ance of the Government on the ground far-reaching programme of reforms, has begins to unfold itself, we feel that the way also had to give up many things which they they have been functioning from the begin­ had adhered to in the past because the ning is not that of a government which is a passage of time and changing conditions minority government. If you were in a showed that those outmoded or old methods majority, I could understand you do not and techniques would not do and therefore care for anybody else; you could do what they are doing away with them. I do not you please. But. are you in that posi­ know where it will bring them in the end. tion ? But they are trying to bring about some basic reforms. So, it is not a question of Papers are speculating every day that reforms being something which we are this attitude of the Government may be against. But what I would like to say is due to the fact that they have still not that for the first time since independence— given up hopes of covering that margin I am addressing my remarks particularly which is still there between them and the to my friends on the Congress benches— majority by recruiting some more allies the Government and the party, the Cong­ here in the House. I do not know. (Inter­ ress Party, is abandoning the ideological ruptions) I do not know' whether there was framework of the Nehru-Gandhi line ot that recruitment drive still going on or not. development within which it had sought to You please tell us about it. But if there is function all these years. This is my most no chance of that—I don’t think there serious charge against the Congress Party. is a much chance...... J have to assume it largely from what we are trying to understand and study, be­ AN HON. MEMBER: You join us. cause the Prime Minister never said a single word about when introducing this Sldll INDRAJIT GUPTA : ...... then Motion. It may be your argument that the' ^minority Government should under­ things have changed so much in the world stand; slhotild realise its own position. and India that all that old framework hafr 227 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 228 to be given a go-by now. If so, you have He continued: to explain it here to the country and to the House. The rationale behind it has to be ---- and to function in a manner as to explained to the House and through the start a new chapter in Indian political House to the people. I think Mr. history.” Gorbachov whatever his errors or mistakes or failings may be, he never hesitated to Sir, the basic concepts may have to be explain to his people and the Soviet Union changed. But you must explain how they what were those errors, what were those have failed to meet the requirements of deviations, what were those mistakes com­ the situation. The concept of a planned mitted under the old system which led their economy, Mr. Advani refers to it as economy to a severe crisis. But here we are statism, that is to say, the state controlling not told anything. It is just as though by the whole economy. Have we ever had an magic overnight, yesterday everything was economy like that ? People say that India all right and today suddenly we find oui has made a big mistake by following the coffers empty, we do not have a single pie path of socialism. When did we follow the to pay our debts. We are going to become path of socialism ? We are from the very a black-listed nation which is defaulting on beginning followed the path t>i what we its payments. There is no mention how it call the mixed economy, a state sector and happened. Somebody must explain. a very flourishing private sector; and the state sector should be confined to certain I am saying here, that a major departure areas of what we call the core sector or the is taking place. You may deny it But 1 public sector. This is not socialism. But think in the weeks to come and sooner than now we are told that even this has to be later, it wiH be quite clear that under this diluted or watered down and some cases Government a major departure is being given up altogether. There was a concept carried out by the Congress Party to depart that the commanding heights of the econo­ from the framework which it has followed my should be in the public sector. They from the time of Jawaharlal Nehru. I do should not be handed over to the private not say, for a minute, that that framework business people. What is the position now or that line of development was perfect, on that, I would like to know. that it had not blemishes, no mistakes or no short-comings. I do not say that. Changes There is a directive principles chapter in may be necessary. But there was a broad the Constitution which says that the Gov­ framework and some basic concepts which ernment, the State, is committed to take I think were very much part of the Cong- action to see that concentration of wealth res credo. And, if you decide to give up does not take place in fewer and fewer those things, you must explain to the coun­ hands. That is one of the directive princi­ try and the people why you are doing, and ples of the Constitution, which is binding what is the need for it. Otherwise, I do on us. All the Members of this House the not know why Mr. Advani in his speech other day stood and have taken a oath to should say as he said here on Friday. I am uphold the Constitution and what is written quoting from the record. in it. But the line you are proposing to follow of opening up completely to the pri­ “The direction that the new Govern­ vate sector, to the monopoly sector, to the ment has adopted is a direction with foreign capitalists will lead to nothing but which my Party does not quarrel.” more and more concentration of wealth in the hands of a few big interests. So, that The BJP will say that Why not? Why is another basic concept which is being should he not say that? given a go-by.

Further, he said: Then, I come to the question of agrarian reform. I think, agrarian refon& for.some “I would expect this Government to years now has been shelved completely. It recognise its limitation . .. .** was carried outin a limited way fa* the early years upto a certaia jjoiaiaadjfter It is a gpod advfee. that it has become paraj^W^ and nothing 429 Motionof Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 230 further happened. And the domestic mar­ was permitted to set up in the centre of ket M this co^rry, wh!ch is a vast market that congested part of Bhopal city and of tti&ny crbrts, hundreds of crores, of which led to the gas disaster in which how people but with no purchasing capacity ex­ many thousands of people lost their lives cept for some people who live in the cities or crippled for life we do not know. and towns have the means of purchasing consumer goods, durable goods and all that. Locational restriction is the most im­ The vast ocean of people living in our vil­ portant thing in any country like India lages, in our rural areas, do not have any from the point of view of health and safety. purchasing capacity at all. It was mainly But according to what we read in the for them we had always advocated land papers one of the further concessions you reforms accompanied by other measures like want to give to people as an incentive to setting up agro-industries and all that so come and invest is that there will be no that the level of standard of living of the locational restriction. God knows what we rural masses could be uplifted and they are in for after that. Such things are not could get purchasing capacity and this big permitted in the parent countries where domestic market could be served by our those companies operate. In the United own industries. Industries are complaining States of America, they would not permit that they cannot sell their goods because that kind of a dangerous plant to be set they do not have markets. But the huge up in a heavily congested area. But who interna! market fn the country is lying here bothers in countries like India and in without being tapped properly. Third World countries. These multi­ national companies do not bother. Nobody Of course there is always a slogan of self- is here to check them or control them and reliance, which may mean many things. I enforce any restrictions on them and we agree. But self-reliance does not certainly have this horrible tragedy. mean opening up your whole economy to more and more penetration by foreign capi­ The way things are going, you Will beg tal, by multi-national companies and all in my pardon but from what impressions we the name of getting more technology, higher were given by the Finance Minister in technology. It is being done in a limited those talks on that day, it seems to me— way in some other countries also but sub­ I may be wrong—that you have virtually ject to certain conditions and safeguards. already given a sort of an assurance that Here, I do not know what conditions or whatever conditionalities IMF may seek safeguards if any we propose to impose. from us we are prepared to accept them. It comes to that. I am worried because Then, the curbs on monopolies—the I am beginning to think that after some papers are saying that the ceiling limit for time we will find that special weight is the MRTP Act is going to be raised to one being put on us to change our Patents Law, thousand crores of rupees. Any company the question of Intellectual Property Right whose investment limit is below Rs 1000 where we have been standing up to these crores will not come under the MRTP people and fighting for the last some years Act. Please tel! us whether it is a fact or in the Uruguay Round of talks of the not. If newspapers are spreading baseless GATT. They will mount further pressure rumours it is your fob as a Government to that the Patents Law must be amended and dispel those rumours and say “it is wrong; on Intellectual Property Right they must we are not going to do that”. Newspapers be given freedom to enter our country. are writing that companies which have an Are we going to agree to these things ? investment limit of Rs. 200 crores will not Suppose, the IMF says that your defence require any licef&HSlr after this. Hereafter expenditure must be reduced by so much, the whole thing will be de-licensed. Even are we going to agree to this ? I am all locational restrictions on the industries are for reducing defence expenditure wherever to be rtmoved. I am provoked to say this it is possible and wherever there is wastage by seeing Mr. Arjun Singh sitting in front because it is an unnecessary expenditure. of me because lack of locational vigilance, You can read the audit reports *rbtch are I would say, led to the disaster in 3hooaJ published every year about the Ministry where a foreign multi-national company of Defence and you will see how many 231 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 232 lakhs and crores of nipees go down the Government the benefit of doubt to this ex­ drain. Certainly a great amount of money tent that perhaps they themselves ave not can be saved on that. But it is for us to yet aware of all the conditionalities which do it. It is for India which understands its will be sought to be imposed on them, own security problems and security environ­ ment to do it. We could have done it on SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO : I do our own. Why should we wait for any not have to know anything kbout these con­ IMF or some foreign agency to tell us ditionalities to come to the decision which that you must reduce your defence expen­ I have come to, and that is what I have just submitted. diture ? It is not their business. It is out business. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : If I am not divulging anything that the Prime Minister THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI P. V. told me in confidence a few days ago—I NARASIMHA RAO) : The day on which do not think it was in such a confidential the debate began in connection with the manner—he told me that he had been told NPT I had categorically stated that there —he was frank and modest enough to say has neither been any pressure from them that he is rot an economist, he is not a nor is there any possibility of our yielding finance man but those of his people who to pressure. I can repeat the same thing in have long experience of dealing with the connection with the defence expenditure. World Bank and IMF and all these insti­ If we reduce it, we reduce it because we tutions have told him—that nowadays in the think it is good to reduce. But we will TMF there is a new thinking going on and have to take into account our own threat that new thinking is that they try to im­ perception rather than pressure from any pose very harsh conditionalities on several side. countries of the Third World—of Africa, Latin America and Asia—and because of the harshness of those conditionalities, the SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Well. I economies of those countries simply. col' thank the Prime Minister for whatever clari­ lapsed and there was chaos. Therefore, fication he has given. The point which 1 he told me—it is not what he is saying, would like to know is whether there is any it is what is being told to- him—that IMF scope for our bargaining with the IMF on people are now thinking that it is better its anticipated conditionalities. If so, what not to push these things too far because is our bargaining counter I would like to then the result may be opposite of what know. What is the strength we have got they want. I said that is a good thing but in our hand ? then let us hear from the Finance Minister what he has to say on this. I am sorry SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO : The to say that the way the Finance Minister strength is that we will not do anything put his whole case, if I have not misunder­ which we consider is against our national stood him, is that we have really no go. interest. That is the bottom line. We have no alternative. We will have to accept whatever the IMF wants, otherwise SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY : we will not get the loan, without which it Why are these conditionalities not placed is impossible for us to carry on. This is on the Table of the House, Sir ? ... the sum and substance of the whole thing. (Interruptions). I do not want to take much time but 1 SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO : Sir, will tell my basic objection. The question they would impose conditionalities, they of giving support or confidence to this will relax conditionalities. This is a long Government at this stage just. dies not .arise process of negotiation. But this Govern­ at all. Whatever little they have done in ment’s bottom line is that we will not do the last few days, does npt inspire confi­ anything against our national interest... dence and what they are proposing to . do, (Interruptions). according to whatever information we are able to gather, is ^ sometjiing which . is SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Sir I m fraught with grave consequences. And in prepared at this moment to give the whose interest it is being done ? I want to 233 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 234 know whether the vast majority of com­ expressing confidence in this Government. mon people in this country are going to There is no question about that. We are be benefited or are all the burdens going worried because we do not want to preci­ to be heaped on them. Nobody denies pitate another mid-term elections. That is now that this deflation is going to boost also there. The people are in no mood. up inflation much further than it has gone You know it very well. Everybody, which­ now. And the burden of that inflation ever party he belongs to, from whichever will be borne by whom ? Anybody who part of the country he comes from, knows knows economics knows that in a period it. Tomorrow if we go to the people again of inflation, it is not big companies and say : “Give us votes”, they will give or the big owners or the big business­ you shoe-beating. We are not going to do men who suffer. They get higher anything which will precipitate another profits in a period of deflation It mid-term elections. The leader of the BJP is the poor people who suffer. And if has stated here very emphatically on Fri­ they insist, as the Finance Minister told day that they were going to oppose this us, an drastic cuts in the subsidy, then Motion. What he means by it, I do not what about the subsidy on food ? If the know. We will see at the end, whether subsidy on food is drastically cut, whom they are going to vote against this Motion will it hurt ? Will it hurt you and me ? or what. If they vote against it and if we I do not think you and I bother much also join with them, this Government will about the ration shops. We do not want be out of office tonight. It cannot survive. to go and stand there in a line for hours Then there will be no option left but to together to get some 600 or 100 grams of go for elections again. That is the un­ sugar. Do we ? It is the poor people. fortunate part of it. Nobody can form the The whole public distribution system is Government just now. You have not form­ meant as a cushion, as a safeguard for the ed the Government. You are a minority weaker, the vulnerable sections of the Government. Nobody is in a position to society, not to put them at the mercy of the form a majority Government. And nobody open market. But if under-pressure of IMF is in a position to go and tell the people these subsidies are removed or practically that : “You must vote again, because we removed, who will suffer ? So, we have to are not capable of running the show”. know something about these things. We None of us : is in a position to do that. cannot just shut our eyes and say, yes. we These conditions of instability—I want support the Government. We cannot sup­ to make it clear—are not a party issue. port the Government like this on these The conditions of instability, prolonged issues at all. I do not say that this Nehru- instability, are the worst possible thing for Gandhi framework of ideas, concept of the country and for the common people. ideas, was always very scrupulously follow­ All the burning issues are hanging fire. ed in the past. It is not so. At least for We are not able to attend seriously to any the last ten years. I should say that a lot of them. And as far as ordinary people of erosion was going on. But at least some are coif terned, the absence of stability only lip service was paid to this framework, to makes them worst victims of all kinds of this ideology, that we are not going to exploitation, all kinds of arbitrary deci­ depart from: we are sticking to it. But sions which are imposed on them, may be now what is happening is that in a kind of by the big bureaucrats or may be by the hush hush way, in a backdoor way. this monopolists who control the market and whole framework and ideology is proposed all that. And if that goes on, it breeds to be given up. You are free to do it, if further cynicism and loss of credibility you can convince the * country and the among the common people and then ill people that without it we cannot survive, kinds of devices and all kinds of other and that the whole old thing should be disruptive forces flourish on that. thrown in the waste paper basket. But please tell us what is your rationale. You SHRI INDER JIT : What is your re­ have not enough economists and experts medy for all this ? at your disposal. They should explain. SHRI INDERJIT GUPTA : My re­ Finaly, I would say, that there is no medy is in Gorkhaland. ( Interruptions) question of our voting for your Motion ot 235 Motion of Confidence JULY 15. 1991 Motion of Confidence 236

Gorkhaland is a model of stability. We to abstain lor now. I cannot give a are reading everyday in the Press Mr. guarantee for what is going to happen next Ghising, who is a friend of Mr. Inderjit, time because such occasions will go on is talking about the danger of a Greater occurring. That is the whole problem. Nepal coming and swallowing up Dar­ So, it is primarily the job of the Govern­ jeeling and extending its claws all over the ment to try to save itself. It is not the North. job of the Opposition to save it, it is the job of the Government to try to save it­ SHRI INDERJIT : Seriously, I ask, self. Since you have got into this position, what is your remedy for stability ? I think you must try to save yourself. And 1 you ought to come with all seriousness. suggest once again that if you are serious about it, then your style of functioning SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : A remedy has to change basically and you must not for stability has been advocated yesterday go on doing these things, taking the or day before yesterday in a Press confe­ country by surprise and by dismay with rence by my friend Shri Atal Bihari Vaj­ all kinds of far-reaching measures which payee. I really do not understand what he will have a fall-out, which cannot be ima­ has said and what his colleague says. He gined at the moment, and then saying, *No, has said that in the face of this crisis, it no, we have been consulting the Opposi­ is necessary that the country should be tion/ What kind of consultation is that ? united and come together and, therefore, I don’t say consultation will satisfy every­ all likerminded parties should form a coali­ thing, but at least we can judge the sincerity tion government; but in such an event the of the Government in trying to take the BJP will stay out. (Interruptions) people into confidence. And if that is not done, well, next time I think you will 15.00 HRS. have to think afresh. Each time you will to think afresh and I think that will also Nothing would be easier, Sir. than for create a situation of tension for you be­ us to press the ‘No* button and vote cause you never know what the Opposition against you. Nothing would be easier is going to do, you never know what the than that. But we do not know what our BJP will do, you never know what we are friends of the BJP are going to do, but going to do. So, you will spend many subject to that also I would say because sleepless nights. I do not want you to now I think the equations between you spend sleepless nights, Mr. Prime Minister, are changing to some extent—I don’t say your health is not very good. (Interrup­ ‘good’, but they are changing to some ex­ tions) . But what about the health of the tent and I don’t grudge anybody that. But Government ? what is the price one has to nay, one has to see. You should not try, in my opinion, SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO : Un­ to cut off all your ideological moorings. predictability on the other side ! Ideology is supposed to be something which is peculiar to Leftists—the socialists and SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Naturally. communists. If you mention the word What is to be done ? That is the way this ‘ideology’ they say, ‘Oh ! you must be a House is compofsed, that is the way the communist.' So, nobody else is supposed people have voted this House. What is to to have any ideology. I don’t follow it at be done about \t ? Neither you nor I can all. If, in order to survive, Mr. Prime do anything. So, please take the reality Minister, because of your being in mino­ into proper appreciation and accordingly rity, you think that you should be able to, I hope you will act. In the days to come well, take advantage, let us say, of the I am afraid many erf these so-called reform differences between the Opposition, then measures which will unfold, will meet with that is a path which is also fraught with very harsh criticism and opposition by us grave dangers and serious consequences because we cannot forget what is gping to may ensue from that because today as we be the lot of the people oijtside, who have have decided, we are not going to vote sent us here. T^at is the question. If they for your motion and we are not going to are going to be thrown to the wolves of vote against your motion. We are going unemployment and inflation and high prices 237 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 238 and closures—I am told one of the pro­ not like anybody to accept it as such—that posals is that the statutory legal provision the imperatives emerging out of this elec­ which now exists that no employer can toral decision must be clearly and dispas­ close down his factory permanently with­ sionately understood by everyone of us out getting the permission of the Govern­ including the Congress Party and we should ment concerned,. is going to be removed, start taking steps that, we think, are in the he will be free at any time to close down interests of the nation. The imperative is his unit and to sell off the land, buildings that the people of this country have denied and the equipment of his factory because to give a clear majority to any party in that is something they are pressing for say­ the country. So, should we not think that ing, ‘Why should we run an uneconomic the people of this country are pointing to unit ? Why should we run a loss-making a direction ? They have posed a challenge unit ? Give us the freedom to close it to the sagacity and wisdom of every single down and throw the workers out on the political party as to what extent each one streets.’ of us is equipped or is prepared to go to translate what the people have decided But there is a legal provision which pre­ into action. I know some people have vents that being done at the moment. Are been saying about ‘hung Parliament' and you thinking of removing that ? We do all that as though we are castigating the not know, but the papers are saying that people of India for whatever decision they you are planning to do that. So, you can have taken. I am not in a position to put better tell them not to write these things myself in that place where I will castigate which are damaging your credibility. We the people of the country; whatever they regret very much that we are not able to have chosen to decide in their wisdom will support your Motion; we are not oppos­ have to be taken as it is and then we have ing also because of the consideration to act upon it. Now, where do we go which I said earlier. Nobody would be from there ? One line of thought and then able to face the people and another elec­ subsequent action could be that we go tion. So, we will abstain from voting, but about making alignments with all and sun­ our abstention should not be taken as dry just only to keep afloat. I am not support to you. I know some BJP friends saying this for the Congress Party alone; may like to say that they are the real I am saying it for all the parties because Opposition and others are not the Opposi* keeping afloat may be one of the impera­ tion because of the abstention. We are tives for every political party. But a party not going to vote against the Motion. Let makes keeping afloat with end-all and be- us see how they are going to vote and all cannot even float, it will sink at the how many times they are going to do first opportunity. Therefore, I would like that. That is all I have to say. With this to inform the House that we have to start I close my speech now and I hope that the looking a new at the methodology of the Government would seek to mend its ways political machanics that are available to and function in a democratic manner. us to guide the country collectively to help resolve the problems and challenges that THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE­ have come up in a manner so that while SOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHR1 the country benefits by our action, certain ARJUN SINGH) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, basic fundamental perceptions and policies we have all listened very attentively to or whatever you call the core are left un­ what Shri Indrajit Gupta said just now; touched. The only way as I see it is that the seniority that he commands also com­ we should try to determine and reserve mands our attention naturally. At the out­ areas of national concern, some of which set, I would like to say that the manner have been pointed out in the House. Having in which he has expressed his helplessness determined those concerns, we should try at the post-electoral scene that has emerg­ to build up a method to arrive at some ed, does no credit to a party which always common consensus as to how the areas of attempts to read or assess the developing national concern are to be dealt with. If the forces in a country and in the world. we do not do this, then it will be like I would like to state humbly—though ot waving our arms trying to swim on the course it is my assessment which I would ground which I think, no rational person 239 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 240

would like to do. Once we have deter­ challenged by the Congress Party at every mined that, I see no reason why all sections turn of the event and everywhere. of the House—from whichever part of the House he may belong to—would not be What else has come out is the socio­ prepared to adjust themselves to resolve economic picture that has emerged. Over those concerns. Once that attempt is made the decades, India has seen transformation and some progress is achieved, perhaps from a totally feudal society to a society that could be the beginning of evolving a which is now fast approaching the 21st national agenda for action, which means century. To say that somebody or one the agenda for the entire country. Party alone has been responsible for that would not be correct. I am both happy and proud that the hon. SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA (Ber Prime Minister has initiated and started hampore) : Previously there was feudal this very process. If you find it insuffi­ society. What is the character of the pre­ cient or if you are not able to understand sent society ? his intentions, as the day progresses, as time goes on, you will be convinced that SHRI ARJUN SINGH : Kindly allow the line he has adopted is the only one me to speak. I may not be able to con­ available in the country today and he will vince you but, I would like to have my try to see—I am convinced of that—as say. It is true that some of the policy time passes, the national agenda emerges frame-work which Pandit Jawaharlal and all sections of the House express their Nehru in the formative years of our inde­ concern and their wisdom which is honest pendence formulated and implemented, ac­ to solve most of the problems. celerated this transformation. In the rural scene, we saw the farmers getting their Shri Advaniji while initiating the debate rights. They became the owners of the asked us to observe certain realities that land they till. have emerged out of these elections. One In the industrial sphere, we saw indus­ of the realities which he naturally wanted trial labour coming into its own. I think us to observe was, the BJP—whatever it, that many of the things which Shri Indrajit belief whatever its thoughts and precep- Gupta pointed out are the culmination of tions are—has emerged stronger. I do not that process. I see no danger that all of think anyone could be blind to that. We them are going to be wound up and that must accept that from 80 odd seats, they the law of the jungle is going to prevail. have got 100 odd seats. They have made inroads in areas where they did not have In the international sphere, what Panditji any representation so far. But with all started, has not only flowered but has be* due respect, I would like to point out to come something which the international hon. Shri Advani that the people of this community itself has taken cognizance of country have also very clearly brought out and it has become more or less an order a much larger reality that the unbridled that prevails in the international body. pace of communal campaigning, communal activity, communal effort has been demo­ SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY . cratically checkmated and the composition Are you replying to Mr. Narsimha Rao ? of this House itself is a testimony to this. SHRI ARJUN SINGH : I am only try­ I would like to say very categorically ing to intervene and If this intervantion is that this historic decision of the people of not to your liking, I do not hesitate to sit this country is a decision which is not only down. * welcomed by us but I say that this deci­ SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY : sion is going to be the bedrock of all our To whom are you replying ? policies and actions that any kind of com munal force that wants to hold the coun­ SHRI ARJUN SINGH : I am referring try to ransom, which wants to vitiate the to the imaginary fears expressed on the process of this great nation, which wants floor of this House by people who would to poison the national politics shall be im­ rather accept worse than see the reality placably, fundamentally and continuously unfold itself. It is those fears that I am 241 Motion of Confidence. ASADHA 24. 1913 fSAKA) Motion of Confidence 242 trying to quieten io,my own humble way We are not shutting our eyes to the reali­ and, of course, I can try only to the ex­ ties of the situation. If Comrade Gorba­ tent that I can try. chev could not shut his eyes, I don’t think you can blame our Prime Minister for SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY : that. Therefore, whatever happens, will Of course, you can try. happen and very cautiously, very AeWbeia- SHRI RAM N AIK (Bombay North) : etly and very carefully the basic interests Keep it up. of the country will be kept absolutely and perfectly safe. Whatever steps the Govern­ SHRI ARJUN SINGH : Well, when ment will take will be with a larger you ask me to keep it up, please always national interest in view and there lies the remember that when I keep it up and opportunities for all of us to do our work. keep going, it would always be tothe de­ I think the essence of the Motion before triment of all that the BJP stands for. us is not whether somebody supports it, The socio-economic scene that has somebody opposes it or somebody abstains emerged in the country which naturally but whether each one of us with what­ wants it to be translated into political ever capacity he possesses, is prepared to action, is something which the Congress fashion his responses to the realities that has always fostered promoted and helped have emerged from the latest election all along. where the people of this country want this country to go on, its problems to be I know for some time there have been solved, challenges to be met not necessarily some doubts expressed as to what extent by flying at each other’s throat but with these people who are on the lower rung a consensus and in an approach that takes of the ladder economically, socially and into account all our fears and anxieties politically, have been able to get a place but extend our hands of cooperation in the Sun as of now. This doubt was to where the people’s and the country’s in* a very great extent removed in the mani­ terest requires. festo which Shri Rajivji drafted himself and which was the Plan on which we went The biggest problem today outside the to the people. I can assure you that when political sphere is the problem of Ram the Prims Minister spells out his entire Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid. It is an issue thinking in his Plan for the country, the which has come up in the last few years remaining doubts will also dissipate. All in the manner it has. Therefore, it re­ that is needed is a little patience and, of quires not only careful handling but it course, sustained support. ( Interruptions.) also requires certain basic commitment to As Shri Indrajit Gupta has asked : “are the manner in which it is to be handled. we dismantling the frame-work which The President has very clearly mentioned Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, Shrimati Indira in his Address that this problem can be Gandhi and Shri Rajiv Gandhi built up in solved only by mutual consultation and all spheres of activity in the country.” In cooperation. I am sure all sections of the all humility, I may say that these very House will keep this in view. Any doubts questions were put to Shrimati Indira that are raised unnecessarily because of Gandhi when she came to power whether what has been said about the legislation she was dismantling all that Pandit Nehru that is coming to freeze all such other said. I think I am not wrong. I am his­ problem places as on August 15, 1947 torically correct. She answered it by they should not be voiced without knowing actions. These questions were put to Shri what it means. Neither the Somnath Rajiv Gandhi whether he was dismantling Temple nor the Ram Janmabhoomi is all that Shrimati Indira Gandhi had said. covered by that legislation. It is very He answered it by action. I can assure clear. There is no use confusing everyont you this question will not only be answer­ that decision is going to affect all the ed but answered effectively by the Prime places that were already settled. It is true Minister that we are not dismantling any­ it is a conscious decision and it is a thing. We are trying to build India with­ decision which was there in our manifesto in the broad framework that was enunciat­ for the people to endorse that the country ed by the leaders of the Congress Party. cannot afford more religious bush fires to 243 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 M&tion of Confidence 244 be lighted across the length and breadth of Sir, it is alst> tt> be taken note of that we this country which will ultimately engulf are also conscious of our responsibility the entire nation in a communal tension. We had been in the opposition, we are still in tire opposition. We have got the With these words, I would say—in responsibility of criticising you as the whatevery manner you want to do it, it is ruling party. We have also got the responsi­ left to the individual parties—that this bility of correcting. We have also the Confidence Vote which the Prime Minister responsibility of voicing, giving expression has sought will be the beginning of a new to the hopes and aspirations of the people political experimentation in the running of outside who have voted for us. Our the country and I can tell you that the duty is not to salvage it. It we cannot confidence he has of his party, the good­ salvage it. It is your responsibility to will he has of the country will enable him manage your misery. It is your respon­ to usher in a new era for this nation sibility to produce your majority. It which wants to go forward and in spite of is your responsibility to run the Govern­ all the challenges, in spite of all the im­ ment. It is not my responsibility as one pediments it wants a place under the sun of the hon. Members of the Left Oppo­ for the toiling masses, for the poor and sition said, to salvage you from your the dispossessed. There lies the future of crisis. You have to do it. We have the country and the nation and that been elected on the platform or on the future we shall ensure with all our might. planks of fighting against the undemocratic SHRI CHTTTA BASU (Barasat) : Sir, policies pursued by the Congress (I). We it is a time for the Treasury Benches to have been also elected to this House on realise the reality of the situation particu­ the basis of fighting against the com­ larly with the post-election situation in our munal, aggresstive Hindu communalism of country. The post-election situation of the BJP. We cannot forget about the role the country is marked by the fact that no we are to discharge. We cannot for a political party or combination of parties moment forget about the mandate of the have been given the verdict by the people people. The mandate of the people to us to rule over the country. It is true that the is to discharge the responsibility of the Congress Party has not been able to be­ opposition to fight against the communal come the largest plateau having a majority forces, isolate the communal forces from in the House. Of course, it has emerged the mass of the people. Therefore, we as the single largest party in the House. are to adhere to our own mandate. And But it should be also remembered by the we are not here to salvage you from Members in the Treasury Benches that the your crisis that you have produced your­ Congress (I)’s popular vote has dropped self. The main contradiction of the to 37.57 per cent and it is the second Indian polity, I think, every left Member lowest since 1952. It has also to be taken understands it, everyone, every country­ note of particularly by the Treasury Ben­ man understands it, the principal contra­ ches that Congress vote dropped in the diction in the Indian policy today is first phase of polls to 32.90 per cent. It, between the left and the Congress. however, picked up in the second and third phase to 40 per cent. Therefore, these realities are to be known, appreciated by Sir, we as the Left party had made cer­ the Treasury Benches. tain remarkable advancement. It has been possible only through a grim fight You are not only minority in this House. against the policies of the Congress with You have not urged the support of the the help and support of the people. majority outside this House. This psycho­ Never has there been an occasion from logy, that you are minority that you are your side when you have left us unattack­ not in majority, is not yet adopted by ed. Please look at what is happening in yourself. You are behaving, as it has Tripura and West Bengal. They should been rightly pointed out, as if you are in take note of the position that their party a position to lord it over—to lord it over has been taking in dllferfent parts of the the House, to lord it over the countrymen country where the Left has emerged as an in our country. import atnt political force. Therefore, in 245 Motion of ComfkUnce A&ADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 246 the Indian polity today, the main con- rous course that you have decided to take tradictkm is between the Left and the on. The logical conclusion or logical Congress which you should remember, result of the policies of taking or accepting We are quite aware of that fact In this the loans on the insulting and humiliating particular situation it was expected that hard conditionalities of the IMF will lead the Congress-I would consider it advis­ to an unprecendented price rise huge un­ able to take the path of consensus and not employment in our country, increase of of confrontation. We are conscious that black-money power, import of technology the country is facing multi-dimensional prejudicial to self-reliant economic and in­ crises. But while taking to the path of digenous technology and concentration of consensus, it appears and of course during wealth in fewer hands massive indirect the last three weeks they have taken some taxation and weakening of public sector unilateral action without even consulting and elimination of subsidies an other im­ anybody from the opposition. It was portant social welfare programmes that that you did not consider it necessary to the people enjoy today. even give expression to what you want to These are anti-people measures. These do; what you want the opposition to do; will go against the basic interest of the and what you want your contrymen to people. On the other hand as I have al­ do. You have devalued the rupee not ready mentioned, we have been elected cm once but twice. Yesterday, my esteemed the plank of defending the interest of the friend, Shri George Fernandez raised the people. We have been elected here on question that the devaluation was acceded the platform of bringing about better eco­ to, under the advice of the IMF. You nomic, social conditions for the people were pleased to reject the acquisition. I of our country. We have been elected will only quote from the editorial of the here on the basis of protecting the demo­ Economic Times of July, 2. It gave ex­ cratic rights of the people; not only pro­ pression to that very idea that the second tecting and perserving the democratic devaluation was made only to please the rights of the people and the trade union International Monetary Fund, I quote : rights of the working class,, but also ex­ pand it. The conditionalities of the In­ “There is a feeling that the rupee will ternational Monetary Fund, as far as I am touch even the lower level by the time informed, crush the trade union and the of the Budget so that the cumulative democratic rights of the people. It has extent of the depreciation works out been agreed as far as I know that the to 20 to 22 per cent which is re­ democratic trade union rights of our portedly what the World Bank and the countrymen would be abridged in order to IMF recommended as a condition for satisfy the condtionalities of the Inter­ providing aid pacakages”. national Monetary Fund. How can you expect us that we shall extent our support Who says this ? The Economic Times to you when you take to this path, the says this. After devaluing the rupee for path of the anti-people; when your econo­ the first time and within a few days of mic measures hurt the interest of the com­ time you have decided to devalue the mon people ? rupee for the second time. You have agreed to take note of the advice of Inter­ The Congress Party has not yet imple­ national Monetary Fund. You have said mented the land reforms measures which it in so many words. We were not in­ can lift the country out of the economic formed about the conditionalities for this morass that we have been placed in. As loan. As a matter of fact, whatever in­ Mr. Arjun Singh was saying, you are for formation has been made available through consensus, you want to consult us, you the Press, we feel convinced that it will lead want to bring about a new era of coopera­ to a disastrous situation for the country’s tion as I have understood him. economic sovereignty and also for the country’s political sovereignty. If we The West Bengal Government, it is not compromise on the economic sovereignty of an individual, the Left Front Government the country, we are ultimately to lose our in its wisdom formulated certain alter­ political sovereignty. This is adisast- native plan to lift the country out of the 247 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 24 present economic morass, realising the sorry, we cannot extend or pledge our immensity of the problem; realising the support so long as they pursue these anti- gravity of the situation. Your Finance peopie, anti-democratic and non-coopera­ Minister had not even the courtesy of tive attitude towards the oposition in the examining those alternative set of formu­ country. lations and summarily, uncermoniously rejected them. What he has in mind, Lastly, Sir, at this stage, we are con­ we do not know; what are his arguments, scious of the realities of the situation. If we do not know. On the one hand you they are voted out of power, where does want our cooperation; on the one hand the country go ? BJP has already made you want consulation, consensus and not it clear that as a true opposition, they will confrontation; but when there is a specific not hesitate to vote them out even today. alternative strategy to lift the economy out And if we also join our hands with them of the morass you have got not the they will be out of Office just today, with­ patience even to consult us, even to dis­ in a few hours. As the opposition, as a cuss, even to have some kind of a mutual Left opposition, we cannot remain obli­ discussion not with the individual, but with vious of these things. Therefore we have the Government of a State elected on the decided and we do not like to see them basis of popular mandate. Yet you want out today. But, it does not mean that our cooperation ! we shall not continue our opposition The Centre-State relations are known to against their policies, against their stances; everybody. One of the major national it does not mean that we shall not start problems is the Centre-State relations. The our struggle in the streets against the dis­ preservation of the perception of fede­ astrous policies that you pursue. ralism, the question of extending political and economic power to the States to en­ Sir, today just two hours before, I had large the scope of the States’ autonomy addressed the Left Rally on behalf of can create a favourable condition for four parties, protesting against your capi­ mutual consultation, mutual cooperation, tulation to the IMF loan and its harsh con­ mutuai understanding of the problem and ditionalities. So, streets are open for us building up different ways and means to lift and you cannot prevent me or my party the country out of the multidimentional or any Left party or any democratic parly crises. to develop mass movements against your anti-democratic and anti-people policeis In this situation we should also take in­ which even now you have the intention to to account all the aspects. We cannot follow. This has been made clear in the place our support to this Government or last three weeks. It will be better for the the Congress Party as such having this very country if you change your habits, if you important ideological position, taking into change your policies if you change consideration that we differ on the basis of your stance and take to new path perception of the vast nature of our and new alternative policy. State. We cannot support. Therefore, today, we shall not vote them But on certain occasions, on certain out; we shall abstain from voting. But, issues, there may be a situation where we I say that we shall discharge our responsi­ are prepared to extend our positive atti­ bility of exposing them, of criticising them, tude towards the policy, if they want to. educating the people about their role and For that also, it is your responsibility to we will continue to build our mass take the initiative; it is your responsibility struggle in the field, factory and in the to take the lead. streets to combat their oppressive measures. During these three weeks time we have With these words I conclude. found that there is no change in their atti­ tude, we have found that there is no change SHRI VEN KATES WA RLU UMMA- in their basic attitude, neither on economic REDDY (Tenali) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, 1 policy nor on an idealogical issue nor in rise to speak on behalf of my party, the any other form, whatsoever. So, I am Telugu Desam. 249 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 250

Sir, unlike in the past we have been sacred traditions of this particular Parlia­ meeting here in Parliament, in a very ment. peculiar situation. Neither this Govern­ ment is enjoying the total support nor this in, addition to these things to the credit minority Government has got a com­ of the Congress Government earlier, there mitted support. were occasions where they had misused to any extent the confidence placed in them This is a Government which is in and also the provisions of the Constitution. minority and a Government which is not As many as 96 times, the popular Gov­ assured of the support of any political ernments were pulled down and the party on the floor of this august House. President’s rule imposed. I have got one Now a motion of confidence has been mov­ instance from my own State, Andhra ed by the hon. Prime Minister seeking Pradesh. In 1984, a popularly elected the support of the parties to continue the NTFs Government, which was enjoying Government and govern this country in the an absolute majority of 202 Members out days to come. of 294, was pulled down far no fault of the Government. As our elderly parliamentarians have put it all the while really we are in a fix as to whether support this Government 15.50 hr s. based on its past history or to support the government based on the deeds that it is go­ [Rao Ram Singh in the Chair ] ing to have in future. It was just an undemocratic act. It If we review some of the distortions was just to encourage a faction in the TD that the Congress Governments made Party, a split was created. But the people earlier, there were occasions to the credit of Andhra Pradesh were bold enough. of the Congress Governments during the There was a huge upsurge in the entire periods where they had been enjoying an State. Though the Union Government absolute majority. On certain occasions and the party at the helm of affairs had not they had two-thirds majority of this House realised the importance of democracy, the and on certain other occasions even three- people of Andhra Pradesh had fought for fouth majority of this House. There are the democratic values and the NTR Gov­ occasions when we have played with the ernment was seen to be back even within democracy. We have distorted from 30 days of its toppling. So Sir, the traditions and conventions in the House. Congress Party which was in Government Going into the past history, I have got earlier, had made several deviations on this some of the instances. This Government front. Encouraging split and factionalism or this Congress Party had supported is not new to them. earlier two minority Governments. One was in the year 1979 Mr. Charan Singh’s In 1979, when Mr. Charan Singh faction Government. And another was in 1990, was promised that it will be supported, it Mr. Chandra Shekhar’s Government. The was toppled down. In 1990, Mr. Chandra people have not forgotten the way in which Shekhar faction was also pulled down from they had pulled down those two Govern­ power and was toppled down. In 1984, ments. One Government that the Cong­ Mr. Nadendla Bhaskara Rao, with the ress supported in 1979 was of Mr. support of the Congress, toppled the NTR Charan Singh. The Government was not Government. Like these, there were seve­ even allowed to face the Parliament once. ral occasions, when the Congress Party had The second occasion was when the played with the Constitution and the Congress Government had lent its democratic values. Leaving aside these support in 1989 to Mr. Chandra things, in the recent past of 1989, the Shekhar's Government. Mr. Chandra National Front-Left Front-BJP alliance Shekhar’s Government was not even allow­ had secured more than 300 seats. And every ed to present the budget. These are some time, the Congress, who was in the Oposi- of the instances. They have departed tion then, haunted that Government saying from their commitments and also the it was a minority Government and that at 251 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 252

any time that Government can be pulled regard to the devaluation of rupee - twice down. There was an occasion when that in quick succesion - and also the mort­ Government was kept in an embarrassing gage of sale of gold or depositing it in some situation. Even to lend its support for a other banks, that too twice in quick suc­ Constitutional Amendment Bill on Punjab cession, have left an impression that prices issue, it had abstained itself from parti­ are going to be increased like anything. cipating in voting. History will not forget The prices are going to rise beyond the all these things. We could prove our own purchasing capacity of the people and majority but as far as the Constitutional particularly the rural population. How Amendment Bill is concerned two-third the IMF conditionalities are going to be majority was required at that time and it reflected on the price structure of this was a natural obligation for the Congress country is not exactly known to the com­ to have lent its support. But it abstained. mon man. Sir, this Government was formed 20 days back. Leaving aside all its past At this juncture, I have to make a men­ history, we thought that this Government tion about the statement that has been will have a good start a promising start given by our hon. Prime Minister on and will start by instilling confidence in all Friday. He has stated that the Rs. the Opposition parties and the people of 10.000 loan waiver extended by the this country and that this Government is National Front Government in 1989 is at least going to serve the country and the responsible for these state of affairs. Sir, people in future. But Sir, the develop­ we are not going to accept that statement. ments are very disappointing. The way For over 40 years, it is the Congress Gov­ in which the Punjab elections were post­ ernment which ruled the country. The poned just a few hours before the com­ cumulative effect of those 40 years’ rule is mencement of polling is an example. On being faced by us at the present juncture. Friday, Chandra Shekharji made it clear It is certainly not because of the commit­ on the Floor of the House that the Elec­ ment or the relaxation that has been given tion Commission had not even consulted to the farming front in 1989 by the them. National Front Government. Now we are entertaining doubts that this Govern­ But it is very vivid and we know who is ment is going to play a role of anti-peasan­ behind this decision and who exactly has try government for the reason that they prompted this decision to postpone the have not relished this loan waiver. The elections in Punjab. IMF is also imposing conditions that several subsidies including those subsidies Sir. the whole nation finds itself in a extended to fertilizers should be cut off. very panicky state about the financial con­ If this is going to be done, naturally the ditions of this country. The statements cost benefit ratio lin agriculture is going that have been coming from time to time to be very alarming and the food produc­ and the actions that this Government has tion in this country is going to be effected been taking from time to time have left to be effected to a great extent. If we the entire population in a state of pam:. just think back about our agricultural con­ MR. CHAIRMAN : Please wind up. ditions hardly ten years ago, we fiind that in the past ten years, right from 1980 to SHRI VENKATESWARLU UMMA- 1991, we have achieved a growth rate of REDDY : I am speaking for the first time. 25 million tonnes in this country from 152 Kindly allow me to speak for another five million tonnes in 1980 to 177 million minutes. tonnes in 1991. Our target with regard to agricultural growth rate should not be When we see the decisions that have less than 4 per cent to feed the teeming been taken during these 20 days, we find millions of our country. that on the financial front, the state of affairs that are prevailing in this country 16.00 hrs. are very fluid. The public is in a very panicky condition. The successive deci­ But, Sir, the growth rate is hardly 2.5 sions that the Government has taken with per cent. It is very disappointing growth 253 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 254 rate on agricultural front. Even the tar­ the Congress Party was in power and the get that lias been fixed for 1991-92 is TDP was the next largest group but the only 183 million tonnes. Sir, if it is go­ Deputy Speakership was given to the ing to be tne state of affairs, if all tne A1ADMK. But this type of deviation has subsidies on agricultural inputs hitherto not been done by non-Congress Govern­ extended are cut off and also the waiver ment. scheme etc. are taken for criticism, naturally the agricutural front is going to In 1977 when the Janata Government be affected like anything. was in power, I was in Opposition, Shri Gode Murahari a Congress (I) Member In the recent month the gold was sold was the Deputy Speaker. In 1989, twice. In Telugu we have got a saying: National Front Government was in power and Congress in Opposition, our present Pampaiti Poyina runagrastudu, pellam medaio thali ammutadu. Speaker, Shri Shivraj Patil was the Deputy Speaker at that time. It means that a boy after exhausting all the sources resorts to selling of the Man- As you know the Congress (I) Govern­ galsutra of his wife. So, now, the condi­ ment is hoodwinking the people and also tion of the Government is like that. They the Opposition parties. In 1971 ‘Garibi have exhausted all the sources. They are Hatao’ was the slogan but it was never now bowing down to the conditionality of accounted for. Slogan in 1991 was to roll the IMF and are trying to sell the gold back the prices to the level of July 1990. that is lying in RBI. I would say that Now, the Finance Minister himself says they should accept the condition that is that it is not possible. The goal of giving laid down in the Reserve Bank of India jobs to 10 million people is a far reach­ Act, i.e. that the gold sold outside should ing one. So with all these past records, not exceed 15 per cent of the gold re­ this Congress Government wants the sup­ serves. We, I think, now hardly have port of the Opposition Parties. The TDP 322 tonnes of gold. Technically you Members are going to abstain from vot­ have been telling that this is confiscated ing. Let the Government continue. They gold but in total about 45 tonnes of gold will have to face a lot of troubles in the has already been departed from our days to come. You know that in their country. Unless, this 15 per cent check is own house, there are lot of squabbles, lot going to be there, people are going to sell of factions and so on. In the first ins­ away gold that is available in this coun­ tance, they have to appease them. But, try. Our condition is like that. we are confident that they are going to perish themselves and they will not give I have one more point to make. I any chance to the Opposition Parties foi would say that the Congress Government toppling them. is playing a game of convenience and not a game of convention; not the politics of With these few words, I thank you very tradition but it has been playing a game much for giving me time to speak on this of convenience. Sir, when the Hon. Motion and we are abstaining from Speaker’s election came up, very con­ voting. veniently the B.J.P. our elders, came with a formula that the Speakership should go MR. CHAIRMAN; Shri Jaswant Sin-h to the Ruling Party and Deputy Speaker­ ship should come to the next largest SHRI JASWANT SINGH (Chittor* group. It has been endorsed by the garh) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I want to know Congress leaders. Sir, I will just cite two how many Members are still remaining. examples where they have deviated from Are there only two speakers ? Or are this convention. there any other Members from smaller parties who would like to speak on this In the year 1980 when the Congress was Motion ? If they want to speak, you in power, the Janata Party was in Oppo­ please given them time first because in the sition but, the Deputy Speakership was first round, our Party had already partici­ given to the D.M.K. Member. In 1984, pated. 9—545 LSS/91 255 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 19$1 Motion of Confidence 256

MR. CHAIRMAN; There is no firm make it clear that, fortunately or unfor­ thing about the time. If the House wants tunately, within the Opposition of this that the time should be increased, I am House, there is also BJP. So, it cannot sure, it can be done. He has asked a be taken for granted that the Opposition question whether any more Member still will take a common stand; it is not possi­ remain to be called. ble at all, although I know there is very little difference between the BJP and the [Translation] Congress. If you go deep into the things you will find that they represent industrial SHRI SURAJ MANDAL (Godda) : and commercial interests in India. It can­ J.M.M. is also in the list. not be denied. Both of them are same MR. CHAIRMAN: It is there in the with however, changed colour. One is list. Please let Shri Jaswant Singh speak. having Tri colour’ and the other is hav­ ing ‘Saffron flag'. But in their heart of [English] hearts, they have to serve commercial and industrial interest in India as also foreign SHRI JASWANT SINGH: If you want capitalists and multi-nationals. (Interrup­ them to complete, let them complete. tions). Afterwards, you can call me.

MR. CHAIRMAN: As I have already AN HON. MEMBER: You joined pointed our that the Speaker has already hands for 11 months. given a ruling that the voting will take place between 4.00 P.M. and 5.00 P.M. SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA: We I do not think he will be able to give his never joined hands. (Interruptions). Dur­ reply before the scheduled time. I think ing the election of the Speaker, what was the maximum that can be done is, let us the game behind the scene ? We do know; allow 2-3 more hon. Members to fpeak. but the country does not know anything. SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA : The (Interruptions) As I have said, Cong­ time may be extended. ress, though claims to be wedded to secu­ larism, it has distorted it in its game of MR. CHAIRMAN: It can be done only power politics over this period of 40 with the sense of the House. years. It cannot be denied; and it has been done most opportunistically. That SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA : All cannot also be denied. the parties must get at least one chance.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Is it the sense of There is a report from Kerala also. the House to extend the time for this dis­ There was a platform behind the scene cussion ? where all the fundamentalists including THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ the Congress so-called secularist joined TARY AFFAIRS (SHRI GULAM NABI hands in defeating the Left Parties. This AZAD): I had already held a discussion is known to all. (Interruptions) This is with the Speaker. There are some major the beginning, I am afraid. (Interrup­ political parties for whom some time tions). should be given. For example Jharkhand, the RSP and such other parties. They PROF. SAVITHRI LAKSHMANAN should be given at least 5 or 10 minutes (Mukundapuram): The ex-Chief Minister each. So, there is no harm in extending of Kerala was from your party. (Inter­ the time by one hour. ruptions).

MR. CHAIRMAN: The time for this SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA : But discussion is extended by one hour. Shri this position was taken by the Congress, Nani Bhattacharya. BJP and the Muslim League. SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA : Mr. Chairman, I will be very brief in my sub­ SHRI EBRAHIM SUL AIM AN SAIT mission. At the outset, I would like to (Ponnani): Never. 251 Motion oj Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SARA) Motion of Confidence 258

request the hon. Members not to use any SHRI NANI bHATTACHARYA ; It iiumeii wary language. has tome out in the Press; it has come out from local as well as national reports. biiki JNAiNl iii-iAl 1 ACHAR VA : This Tfte anti-let i canard was launched and the is not unparliamentary. (Interruptions); religious fundamentalism provided com* jl ranslation] mon piatlorm in Kerala for BJP, Cong­ bHRI LAKSHMI NARA1N MAN1 ress ana Muslim League in the last elec­ TK1FATH1 (Kaiserganj) : Mr. Chairman tion oi that £>tate. (Interruptions). bir, tfte word ‘Goonda’ should be ex­ MR. CHAIRMAN: Please continue. punged. Is word ‘Goonda’ parliamentary Kindly take your seats, gentlemen. Mr. or unparliamentary. How has it been Bhattacharya to continue his speech. used lor a party safeguarding the national SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA ; How interests. (Interruptions). the election was conducted, 1 am giving [English] some idea. The tragic assassination of MR. CHAIRMAN : 1 have already kaid Shii Rajiv Gandhi has proved to be a it. Do not use any unparliamentary water-shed in the election process. It can­ language. If any unparliamentary word not be denied. And there has been a was used it will be expunged from the widely varying results in the pre and post- proceedings. assassination phases during which the SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA : Even political and other issues to which the after all this, the Congress (1) has failed election is related got blurred and hate to secure a majority in the House. After psychology ruled. Can it be denied? It all the using of money and muscle power, cannot be denied. And, to our utter sur­ using Rajivji’s death in that particular prise and shock also,, the hate psychology fashion by displaying the blood-spattered was fanned up by the Congress (I) with body and all those things, the Congress extraordinary promptness by making the could not get the verdict of the nation, blood-spattered dismembered body ot the verdict of the people. They could not Rajivji the sole platform of the election­ secure a majority in the House. That is eering. Can the Congress deny this ? why they have come here to seek our con­ They are seeking our confidence. Has the fidence. The people's mandate so rule, is country confidence in this Congres re­ not behind the Congress (I). This must gime ? Leave aside the rule of money be kept in mind. (Interruptions). power and muscle power and the role of I have already said that I would be very the business houses and the hoodlums em- brief. But because I had to expose cer­ polyed in favour of the Congress ? (In­ tain things which happened currently that terruptions). causes some delay. As you know, the [Translation] ideological and political position of the SHRI RAM PRAKASH CHAUDHARY RSP, the extreme misery of the common (Ambala) : You are wrong. (Interrup­ people, coupled with ever-growing un­ tions) employment and pauperisation for perpe­ tual capitalist exploitation of diverse [English] nature with ever-expanding magnitude SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA : And and the distortion and degeneration of the BJP was not lagging behind in this public values and secular and democratic race. They talk of so many great things, norms in the hands of the Congress-I. principles, ideology, etc. etc., and say All these necessitated in the past and do Hindu, Hindu, Hindu. They have mixed necessitate now to carry on prolonged religion with politics and they spent money struggle against the Congress-I misrule in like anything. Wherefrom did they get order to defeat its pro-capitalist, anti­ the money for so many types of posters people and authoritarian policy. That and for the election expenses ? (Interrup­ must be kept in mind. tions) I have a commitment to the elec­ Sir, 1 was just making an enquiry from torate. (Interruptions). Mr. Arjun Singh. He is not present here MR. CHAIRMAN: I request thehoir. now. The Prime Minister is here. I ask­ Members to sit down. Please sit down. 1 ed Mr. Arjun Singh a question, what 259 Motion of Confidence JULY i5, 1991 Motion of Confidence 260

emerged from feudalism and what is the Telungana movement took place and when character of tbe society ? But it was not did the Congress Government came into replied. Intelligently he avoided it Lan­ power ? Please revise your history . . . . guage is also a problem for me. I could (Interruptions) not impress him. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : How much benami lands are there ? . . . . MR. CHAIRMAN : I am sure that due (Interruptions) note is being taken and adequate reply will be given later. SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA : My question was different. What emerged out SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO : If of feudal society now ? What is the you wish, 1 can cover that ground in my character of the present society ? ...... reply. Or otherwise, I can do it right v interruptions). now. SHRI P. V. isARASIMHA RAO: The SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE character of the present society, where (Bolpur) ; Please do it light now. feudalism had been ended, is a society of peasant proprietorship, who own below SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO : I the statutory ceiling. That is the present have done something on land reforms in proprietorship pattern which we have in my State. No one can fault me on that. I this country and we will continue to have have a matchless record in bringing the that. . . . (Interruptions) land to the tiller. And I can say with full confidence that a large portion of this -■ MR. CHAIRMAN : I would request the country has been liberated from feudalism; hon. Members to address the Chair. the Congress Government brought in the abolition of zamindaris the Congress Gov­ SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA : As ernment brought in some of the best pieces stated by Leftist friends elaborately—I do of legislation on tenancy; gave full rights not want to repeat those things—this mino­ to the tenants. I can show you examples rity Government has already forfeited its of such legislation in any number of right to seek confidence and definitely we States...... (Interruptions). the Left cannot but oppose this Govern­ ment. We would have been glad if we SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA (Ban- could have unsettled this Government kura) : But they were not completed and here and now which is the representative implemented...... (Interruptions). of the capitlists, industrial and commer­ cial interests. But then again there is the SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO : Yes, mood of the masses according to the 'I agree that that process has not been major parties—those who claim to have completed and needs to be completed. hold over the masses like the Congress, Year after year faudalism has not been BJP etc. fortunately or unfortunately. allowed to flourish. People have volun­ They have command over the people in tarily sold their lands. Please come to my a bigger way—they think to hold elec­ State. I will tell you that in 1949 people tions at this moment would be very much had five thousand acres, six thousand unwise. So we have to take note of it. acres of land. Just because the Congress You may call it watering down our policy. Government brought in this legislation, But I should warn this Government that there was so much of voluntary sale of you are absolutely dependent on the land----- (Interruptions) So, why are mercy of the Left which is genuinely secu­ you saying about feudalism ? ...... lar, genuinely democratic and you should (Interruptions). remember it. SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA: That [Translation] was because of Telungana movement in your State ...... (Interruptions). SHRI SURAJ MANDAL (Godda) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to oppose the SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO : Mr. Motion of confidence brought by the hon. Acharia, do you know when did the Prime Minister. I am against the Cong­ 261 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 262 ress (I) getting a vote of confidence in Sir, everyone knows the numbers of this House because it has ruled the coun­ members of the ruling party in the pre­ try most of the years after Independence. sent Lok Sabha. The Congress very well It has ruled about 391 years. knows that it has 244 or 246 members, while 256 members are required for a SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR (Chi- majority still they claim to have a majo­ nur): Was the Congress (I) forcibly ruling rity which is quite surprising. They want over the country ? (Interruptions) to indulge in the politics of temptation. They have exploited the maximum num SHRI SURAJ MANDAL: People who her of poor people in this country. They represent the majority have ruled the have a proposal to increase the price of country for only 41 years. Today the fertilizers. But renumerative prices are Congress (I) has no moral right to claim not paid to the farmers to meet the ex­ a majority in the House. During the penditure incurred by them in producing Congress rule no one bothered about the the paddy crops. 85% of the Indian population living in villages and remote areas. I hold the Congress solely responsible for the existence of terrorism in the coun­ 16.20 hrs. try today. The ‘Jharkhand Movement’ is the oldest of all movements in our coun­ (Mr. Speaker in the chair) try. When the country became indepen­ dent S. R. C. Commission was formed. Ever since Independence these people The Simon Commission gave an indica­ have been exploitated. These are members tion that a Jharkhand State be separated. of the B.J.P. who come from poor back­ It has been mentioned in the book, written grounds and these are such members from by B. R. Ambedkar and published by the Congress (I) also. So I would like the Maharashtra Government that Bihai to asks the Congressmen whether they State should have been bifurcated. The have ever taken care of the rural masses. leaders of the Jharkhand Movement, The Congres has divided the country into which was launched in 1952, have follow* two parts, one is ‘Bharat’ and the other is ed the path shown by Mahatma Gandhi. ‘India.’ You belong to India and the peo­ The so-called followers of Mahatma ple of India have ruled the country for Gandhi are sitting on the Treasury Benches 391 years, and exploited the masses. So but those who are really following the the Congress (I) should not get the vote- Gandhiati ideals have not got the recogni­ of-confidence at any cost. tion I know Congress is responsible for Sir, adivasis, Harijans and minorities spreading terrorism in the country. The have been asking for their due for the crisis in Puniab and Assam and the prob­ last 40 years but, as desired by Pandit lem of the Bodas is the creation of the Nehru, has an ‘Adivasi’ ever been made Congress. Agreements and accords were a Cabinet Minister ? Mr. Amarsinh Chau- signed but they were of no avail. The dhury may have become the Chief Minis­ prevailing situation in the country is the ter of Gujarat but he cannot be a Cabi­ same as it was iust after Independence. net Minister or a Prime Minister at the We know that the Congress will not let centre. Your policy is good, but not your any other partv rule the country for very intention. Sir, it is a matter of differen long. Thev do not have the courage to policy and intention. There is a difference sfav out of power. Nor do thev have an between policy and intention. Previously, inclination to serve the people when they those who represented 15% of the Indian are in power. population ruled the country and the re­ Bihar has 41% of the national mineral presentatives of the remaining 85% sat in wealth of which the Jharkhand region ac­ the Opposition. But regrettably in this counts for 30%. ‘Trishanku’ Lok Sabha representatives of 15% of the masses are sitting on the MR. SPEAKER: Please conclude now Treasury Benches and representatives of another 15% are sitting in the OpposU SHRI SURAJ MANDAL: This is my tion ...... (Interruptions) maiden speech. The rails are used fot 263 Motion of Confidence JULY 15,1991 Motion of Confidence 264 ihe .^transportation of minerals Jfrom ono ment has failed miserably to appreciate place to another but after Independence and to recognise the intrinsic resilience of not a single inch of railway line has been the Indian society, the inner strength of the added to supplement the railway lines common Indian. I am saying ‘miserably’ constructed by the British. We have because it is the Congress Party which led made promises to the people which have the Indian masses during the freedom not been discussed here. We will fulfil struggle. This is the Congress Party those promises. We would like the Gov­ which mobilised the strength of each and ernment to find a well-though out solution every Indian up to the last point to fight to the Jharkhand problem. Otherwise the British rule, but now in 1991 the Jharkhand and Assam will become an­ Congress Government is having no faith other Punjab. There is an old saying in in the Indian people, they are undermin­ the rural areas that—“Andha ka rona aur ing the strength of the Indian society and apna deeda khona.” So this is the situa­ I think the hon. Members of the House tion. You have been given a fresh lease will agree with me that if the Indian of life for six months. Make arrange­ masses, the people of this country, are con­ ments for the period after that as you vinced, if we tell them the facts, if we are quite capable of doing so. We are make them understand and if we take also opposing this motion. Those who them into confidence, I think each and are presently supporting you may continue every Indian will be ready for even greater to do so after six months and the picture sacrifice to take the country out of this will become more clear. We cannot sup­ financial crisis. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I still port this motion. I am in the ‘Jharkhand remember in 1962 when there was a con­ Mukti Morcha’ and our party Is with the flict in the India-China border, the people National Front. We shall support what­ of my village in the remote corner of the ever decision is taken by them. North-East even skipped their meals and they deposited their savings etc. so that a [English] fund could be raised and deposited with DR. JAYANTA RONGPI (Autono­ the Government and the financial crisis mous District): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I stand could be contained. This is lacking on here to oppose this Motion of Confidence the part of this Government to take the in this Government and I oppose this people into confidence and to utilise the Motion of Confidence. I do not want to strength of the common Indian man to elaborate much, as many of the Opposition tide over this crisis. Instead of that, this leaders have already elaborated, but very Government is taking shelter in the lap shortly and precisely, I want to draw the of the international financial agency, the attention only on three points. IMF, and what is the result ? The hon. Prime Minister and the Leader of the Firstly, I would say that the way this House have stated that the interest of this Government has handled the financial country will not be surrendered to them. crisis of the nation during the last three But only the other day when I went weeks has definitely created non-confi­ through the Presidential Address, Mr. dence in this Government. They are seek­ Speaker, Sir, I have not found a single ing the vote of confidence but they are word about imperialism. Nehru and not taking this House, the Opposition other leaders have a leading role in the Parties and the nation Into confidence. shaping of our foreign policy. The crux What are the circumstances under which of the non-alignment policy is our anti­ this financial crisis has arisen Is not clear imperialist thrust. But in the same Presi- to the nation. What Is the exact amount dential Address, the very word ‘imperia­ the Government wants to raise as foreign lism’ is missing. Why? T would say that reserves to earn credit-worthiness in the this is because of the dictates of the inter­ international market? What are the exact national financial agency. conditions of the IMF ? These things are not clear to the nation. One point on The second point I want to say is about which T oppose this Government is ' the Punjab. The postponement of Punjab verv approach. They have adopted to polls Jtself is a surrender to the forces of solve this financial crisis. This Govern­ disruption and terrorism. It will further 26£ Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 CSAKA) Motion of. Confidence 256. demoralise and weaken the resolve o! the approach to ULFA. Hundreds of caset people to fight against terrorism and the are pending against the leaders and sup­ Government must decide between the two porters of Bodo movement; hundreds of concepts—peace before the poll or poll for cases are pending against Autonomous peace. If we go for peace before poll, I State Demand Committee, but now the think we will never get it, given the ob­ Government has given general amnesty to jective situation of Punjab as it stands ULFA only and has withdrawn all the today. But we should go in for poll for cases against them and not against the peace. If we achieve poll, if we can have activists of other organisations. It will election there, it will create a better at­ give a message to the people that cases mosphere and it will start the democratic will be withdrawn only when you demand process there and terrorism can be com­ secession from India on gun point and bated effectively. So, peace before poll is also amnesty will be given only when you a wrong idea. We should go in for poll demand with AK-47. It will give an im­ for peace and we should take Punjab elec­ pression that they will be invited for a tion as a struggle against terrorism and discussion only when they demand seces­ in this respect I have seen that the Gov­ sion. This very approach is giving a ernment has failed miserably. wrong signal to the entire North Eastern region. Even after all this I would have Regarding ULFA, the Government has supported the Government had there been handled the situation in a piecemeal, even a faint sign of self-criticism. shortsighted and over-pragmatic way. The Chief Minister of Assam has said, ad re­ In the past, we have seen so many prog­ ported in the press, that they have con­ rammes like the 20-Point Programme. Is sulted the Prime Minister, the Home there any revaluation ? Is there any Minister and other leaders and after that assessment ? they have released all the ULFA dete­ MR. SPEAKER : Please conclude now. nues—more than 300 in number—general amnesty has been given and they have DR. JAYANTA RONGPI: So, I once been invited for a discussion. I am say­ again register my opposition against this ing that we are not against this step. But Government. we oppose this because we consider this approach as a piece-meal approach. The [Translation] Government is yet to approach the entire picture in totality and ULFA should not SHRI SULTAN SALAHUDDIN he seen in an isolated way from the over­ OWAISI (Hyderabad) : Sir, the issue is all ethno-political situation of the North only this much that the hon. President Eastern region. There is not only ULFA has said that the Congress Government but thnre are some other movements seek a vote-of-confidence. At times it so which are going on like the demand for happens here that a momentary lapse of an Autonomous State comprising of two reason can have adverse effects. If we hill districts of Assam under the provision look at it from a partisan point of view, of Article 244(A) of the Constitution. no party would be in favour of another The Bodos are demanding a separate State election. Nobody has the mental, econo­ on thn north bank of Brahmaputra and mic or physical capacity to go through there are a host of others who are de­ another election but had the hon. Prime manding either proner scheduling or area Minister discussed the problems with the autonomv. Now, in these prevailing cir­ Opposition and taken them into confi­ cumstances onlv. different kinds of etxre- dence, such a situation would not have mist forces are thriving. occured. These complications would not have arisen if major issues like the devalu­ I want to clarify our position very ation of the rupee had been discussed with clearlv. We are against secessionism: we the Opposition. Secondly, the rise in do not want Assam to be separated from prices has put the country in a difficult India. But now the Government has con­ position. Thirdly, in the light of such a veyed a dangerous signal to all other or­ major decision being taken, what is the ganisations by this piece-meal, appeasing Government’s stand on socialism which 262 Motion of Confidence HJLY .15,-1991- Motion of Confidence 268 we have been harping on sincc the time teadfcr of the House in an interesting and of Jawaharlal Nehru. The Government thought-provoking intervention did explain should have a clear-cut policy. and put across some of the view points. Will the Government’s view on secu­ But cinncteristically he has also attempt­ larism also change ? If the post of ed to simultaneously straddle far too many Deputy Speaker is being offered to the conceptual bridges and I regret that in B.J.P. then whatever has been written in the process, he could also not resist a the Congress (I)’s manifesto regarding the Pavlovian swipe at the BJP. This Confi­ Babri Masjid issue becomes meaningless dence Motion is not a Confidence Motion for us. This would be a blunder on the for the BJP. We have not sought it. part of the ruling party. They should Therefore, I shall wait for another oppor­ bear in mind that they will not be able to tunity to answer some of the points that get Muslim votes in future and they the Leader of the House has made about should also keep in mind that . . . . (Inter­ the BJP. Of course, I would reply to ruptions). We have had a neutral policy them though not now. But there were regarding securalism and we have always two thought-provoking aspects of his inter­ raised our voice against injustice done vention. One was when he talks about anywhere in the world. America is ex­ methodology and of political mechanics. ploiting Iraqis and planning to attack He spoke quite rightly, with which point Iraq, but we are keeping mum. We must we entirely agree, that there is need cur­ register our protest at the Way the Iraqi rently to determine areas of national con­ people are being starved to death cern and from which thereafter evolve a (Interruptions). When we talk of being national agenda, a thought with which we neutral we have to show that in action are entirely in agreement. In fact, the also. I wouldn’t like to say much but foi entire House is in agreement. But again, the time being we can only pray to God if that is why the confidence vote has been because we see strange faces here. Never sought, we are at sea because we do not have we seen such a scene in Parliament. know what this national Agenda is that What can be expected of them? These the Government wishes us to agree to, voices will not last long. Raising slogans how they wish to go about arriving at a will not solve the problems. Why are national consensus and, unless that is de­ you raising slogans now when you have fined, we would find it very difficult to been ousted from the States where you lend confidence as again it was quite were previously in power. Only cry for rightly pointed out, to lend confidence to the result now because eventually you an abstract notion of a Government alone will have to ring the death knell. which is yet to demonstrate its basis. That is why we have some difficulty in lending [English] our confidence to this Council of Minis­ 16.53 hours ters. And here there are primarily three SHRI JASWANT SINGH (Chittor- difficulties. garh): Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have to un­ fortunately clarify what this discussion is One is at the conceptual level. I am all about. This is not a discussion on the unable at the present to determine exactly President’s Address. This is also not a what the form and shape of the concep­ discussion on the Budget which is yet to be tual content of the Congress party is. The presented. It is not a discussion on a No- hon. Leader of the House has said “Don’t confidence Motion moved in the House. It worry. Our actions will prove irrespec­ is a discussion on a motion moved by hon. tive of what our thoughts, utterances and the Prime Minister of India, seeking con­ actions might already have demonstrated.” fidence in his Council of Ministers. But that is mv precise difficulty. Because Now as my friend and senior colleague, the actions of this Government, of the Shri Tndrajit Gupta has quite rightlv Congress party, in the few weeks that they pointed out, we have actually very little have been in power, completely so against to go on as to why this House ought to its earlier utterances, as I will illustrate in give its confidence in the Council of a few moments from now. That is why, -Ministers. The Prime Minister has not at the conceptual level, we find it difficult explained why, though of dourse, the to lend support because the Congress, as 269 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 270 it stands today, is a Party devoid of a Vajpayee meant when he said that it would central idea. be far preferrable if you have an honest coalition rather than this coalition on Then again we have a second difficulty issues, on issue-based support. [17.00 hrs.] which is the difficulty of the arithmetic of It be because there is an inherent fragility numbers, the sheer logic of numbers, as when you talk of issue-based support. I don't this Parliament has arrived at and, as the think anyone in this House will say that Leader of the House indeed was very wise this inherent fragility is the right recipe to in pointing out. The electorate has re­ meet the many challenges that the nation duced the Parliament into a sheer logic, faces today. But it is not for me to sug­ the arithmetic of numbers is against the gest to you how to run the Government. Council of Ministers. That is the central That is for you to decide. reality. If the Council of Ministers was to behave in a manner cognisant of that The other difficulty that we have in central reality of the arithmetical aberra­ lending our support to this Confidence tion, it would be reassuring. But we do Vote is on some of the steps that this not find evidence of that. That is why, we Government has already taken. I will not have this difficulty. It is the hon. the go into the details of them. I will not Prime Minister and I could well be faulted repeat what the others have said. Regard­ on the exact wording of it. The hon. the ing Punjab, the action of deferring the Prime Minister somewhere said that “We poll is deeply disturbing us. It was a will arrange a coalition of numbers on cruel act, a cruel act really of unbeliev­ issues.” I could be faulted on the exact able cynicism and whimsicality. You phraseology. If he did not say that, then called off the elections in Punjab at the I can drop it because that point will then penultimate moment. You tell us that not arise. But the issue is that the con­ you had nothing to do with it. That duct that you have demonstrated in the worries us even more. If you did have past one week or so in Parliament is, as something to do with the calling off of was pointed out by my Leader earlier, elections in Punjab then that is unforgiv­ that you want to arrange a coalition on able. I leave a thought with you. The each issue. Janata Dal Government, early in 1989, made a very great error in the manner in SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO : I which it handled a sensitive kidnapping in have said it times without number that I Jammu & Kashmir. It is my belief, for have been in touch with the Leaders of whatever it is worth that a similar fashion, the Opposition Parties. I had general dis­ whoever has taken this decision, has com­ cussions with them and what I am being mitted a very great wrong to India in offered is that issue-based support. They postponing the polls there. If you say have said so and, I said I shall have to that you didn’t take this decision, then be content with isue-based support and even more worrying is who asked whom run this Government. I would welcome to take this decision ? Who took the deci­ if the support is anything more than issue- sion at the mid-night when one Prime based, but I do not see it right now. But Minister was relinquishing office and an­ issue-based support is good enough for other Prime Minister yet to take office ? me, because I am coming to the House It disturb us very much. You are the with issues on which I am bound to get Government and you are responsible for support. I exuded that confidence. notions taken. Therefore, we are unable to lend our support on this issue. SHRI JASWANT SINGH: I do not wish to cet into a needless argument on T will be very brief. On the auestion this aspect of the functioning of the Gov­ of As^om, in an eariier intervention bv ernment. But the verdict of the electorate, fho Prime Minister interrupting, the in all humility I submit to you, in the last l eader of the Opposition when he was two elections has been the verdict of an making a point, the hon. Prime Minister honest coalition and, that is why, we sub­ was eood enousrh to sav that the general mit to you and that is precisely what the amnesty in Assam is not a quid pro ouo Leader of my Party Shri Atal Bihari for whatever has happened there. The 271 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 272 fact remains that the Chief Minister of wrong in the past. And then he came for­ Assam came to Delhi; he consulted with ward and said, “this is what we have to the Prime Minister and the Government do now ? I would expect the Govern­ and having consulted—he is on record ment to come to the House with equal that he came here he gave a Press State­ candour, not to continue worship yester­ ment. He is again on record with the day’s cliche, yesterday’s thoughts. That Press. He was asked: “How do you re­ would make it easier for us to lend our act to the killing of the Soviet Engineer ?”. support to you. He says: “It is a breach of trust by the ULFA.” I do not know what to say. On I will conclude. I sensed the mood of the one hand, the Prime Minister says that the House and will not proceed with this there is no quid pro quo. But the point is debate. We are all waiting for the Prime you granted a general amnesty. You have Minister’s intervention. I leave just one given a general amnesty in Assam in a final thought. The tenth general election certain context of time and in a political is not a mandate for the Congress Party. context when 16 people in Assam were Of course, it is not a mandate for us or kidnapped within 24 hours of the Govern­ enyone of us. Therefore, if you go by ment there having been sworn in. Des­ the tenth general election which is not a pite that, the Prime Minister asserted that mandate for the Congress Party, please there is no quid pro quo; there is no con­ take that as a central political reality both nection between the happenings there and outside the Parliament and inside the the general amnesty. I am left confused Parliament. Only then the two aims that and unconvinced. Therefore, I am un­ the Leader of the House enunciated— able to lend my support. Thirdly, the very worthwhile aims of national agenda hon. Leader of the House said something. and a national consensus—can be attained I think he used the phrase: “We will at. Until that is done, I am afraid, we follow the Nehruvian socio-economic con­ are unable to lend our support to the Con­ tinuity.” This is precisely our difficulty. fidence Motion. The Leader of the Opposition and Leader of my party in Parliament was categori­ [Translation] cal in saying that the steps that you have taken on the economic front are steps, SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN (Rosera): about which we don’t find fault with you Mr. Speaker, Sir, the position here is the because these are the very steps that we same as it was before the elections. After have been advocating for long. But we the elections some political parties have find it difficult to understand what you do. gained while some are loser. Before elec­ You are confronting yourself with two tions there was mainly three political groups primary difficulties. You are coming to viz. Congress (I), National Front-Left us with piecemeal steps one at a time Front and B.J.P. At present political when we are asking for the totality of scene is the same. Before elections your economic thought and package. 1 National Front had 75 members and after think trade policy reforms have been an­ election its strength is same. Both the B.J.P. nounced by you, which have long been and the Congress (I) have improved their advocated by us. It is my view that a strength. But no political party has got very eminent economist graces the Chair majority in the House. I remember that in the Ministry of Finance. We entirely our Government fell on the basic issues like lend support to it. But we are looking secularism and social justice, raised by Shri for voi»r total economic philosophy In­ V. P. Singh when he was holding the posi^ stead. we are served this disingenious tion which Shri P. V. Narasimha Rao holds argument, and vet you reiect the entire today. These issues are of no importance leeacv of the past. In words, however, for you and B.J.P. but are of great impor­ you still continue to follow it. I am un­ tance for us. We cannot give up these able to understand this. That is wbv I issues. I remember the persons who play­ annr<*ci?»ted the point that mv hon. friend ed treachery with us on that fateful day, Shri Tndraiif Gupta made that President November 7, 1990. The B.J.P. openly Gorbachev dfcplaved much great political revolted. The Congress (I) which honesty. He identified all that had gone advocated secularism and social justice... ♦ -273 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 274

(Interruptions) ___ We thought that at causes of their outright defeat ? It is least Congress (I) would not shake hands time for you for undertake an analysis. with the B.J.P. and would bring down the North India was your vote Bank.... Government though no-confidence motion later on because we had lost majority. We AN HON. MEMBER : Your party was were aware of the result but we wanted to also wiped out in North India. show the people.... (Interruptions) But we stood the ground. We wanted to tell SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : If the people of the country, who were their bagging of just one seat in Bihar is a matter real friends and who were their real of satisfaction to Congress (I), then let it. enemies. Had we not done that the people be so. In U.P. the Congress (I) was com­ would have remained ignorant.... {Inter­ pletely wiped out. Sir, I want to tell the ruptions) Mr. Khurana, I am not accusing Hon. Prime Minister, that it is a subject for you.... ( Interruptions) introspection for the Congress (I) as to why the vote bank of the party, which it, nursed for quite a long period viz. minorities SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : and downtroddens, got disillusioned and Shahi Imam is your friend. drifted away from the Congress (I). An­ other subject for analysis is, why did the leaders of the stature of Shri Jagannath SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : We go Mishra, Shri N. D. Tiwari, Dr. Rajindra hand in hand with both Hindus and Kumar Bajpayee and others met their Water­ Muslims, but your party is the admirer of loo in Bihar and U.P. Sir, I want to state Nathuram Godse. Please do not raise this . . . . (Interruptions) I am also saying the matter here.... (Interruptions) . . . . Sir, same thing. when on November 7, 1990 the National Front Government was in office, we were In Bihar we raised the issue of social expecting ...... justice which prevailed over Ram-Temple issue but in U.P. it went into the back­ ground. I assure you that in the next AN HON. MEMBER: Where is Mr. election “Jai Siya Ram” slogan will not gain Nathuram Mirdha, there is a reference to prominence over Mandal Commission issue his name sake. and you will not be able to reap any bene­ fit because of it. Sir, my submission is that the Government talks of principles and SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : I am values but have no faith in what they say. referring the Nathuram Godse. Sir, I was saying that at least people like us did not expect that Congress (I) would bring down You passed and implemented anti-defec­ our Government on November 7, 1990 on tion bill. Why did not the Congress (I) itself those issues. If they wanted to bring down muster enough courage with 212 members our Government they could do so by bring­ in the last Lok Sabha to form the Govern­ ing a ‘No-confidence Motion’ after two ment, after the fall of the National Front days. But they did not want it. With Government on account of withdrawal of the result they had to face the consequences support by the B.J.P. Why did they en­ though they have bagged quite a few seats courage on other party to form government in the South, and this may be the result of through defection ? What is the present sympathy wave started after the death of strength of the Congress (I). At that time Shri Rajiv Gandhi or because of some other it had 212 members and now 224. Now factors. In Andhra Pradesh the elections the Congress (I) is seeking our support to for 17 seats were held on 20 May 1991, form Government. Why did not the C6n- Congress (I) just won 2 seats and in the gie^s (I) form Government with 212 mem­ June elections Telugu Desam, a constituent bers, but instead stated that it would form of National Front, won only 2 seats out of Government only if the party got majority 24 seats. And so fas as the North India of its ow n.. .(Interruptions).. .1 am saying is concerned Congress (I) must analyse the the same thing. Sir, I advise Congress 275 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 276

(I) not ter talk of principles and ideologies. mentioned in the Mandal Commission re­ A little while ago Mr. Arjun Singh was re­ port, prepared by us, has not been published ferring to the work done by Congress (I) till today. Even then the Government since independece. 44 years have elapsed promises to implement Mandal Commission since independence. Every child grows but report. Sir, therefore, I was saying ___ if a 44-year old man looks like a toddler (Interruptions).... then he cannot be treated as a healthy person. 44-year old man must be six feet in height but not 3 feet. The Government THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS claims that the nation has progressed but (SHRI K. JAFFER SHARIEF) : Mr. upto 3 feet only and not upto 6 feet. It Paswan, you raised the issue of carrying means country has not progressed to the night soil by human beings. A progressive desired extend. The Government con­ programme to end this practice was started veniently forgets that out of 5,76,916 by Congress (I) Government in Karnataka. villages in the country 2 lakh villages have not been provided drinking water facilities. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : Whole In these villages there are common ponds of the country has been under the rule of for drinking water for both the human the Congress Government. Only in beings and animals and still the Government in 1967, in some State the Opposition came claims that we are progressing. Even to­ to the power for the first time. For day, in reply to a question, you as the twenty years your party ruled in every State. Minister of Human Resources Development Why did not you introduce land reforms ? have stated that 47 per cent population in Why did not you abolish the system of the country is illiterate. Even after 44 carrying night sold on head ? In today’s in­ years of independence 48 per cent popula­ dependent India, children die of hunger and tion is illiterate. Is this the progress ? mothers throw their kids in the wells be­ In our country one crore persons are cause they are unable to feed them. All blind—is this the progress ? People in this happens even today. . . . (Interruptions) the country are dying of leprosy, even then you claim that we are progressing. Sir, [English] the Government claims that the nation is progressing, but I say that we are lagging THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE behind. Every one knows that night soil MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS of one is carired on head by another one. (SHRI RAJESH PILOT) : Mr. Speaker, Have you any scheme for the abolition of Sir, let us not paint a very wrong picture of this inhuman practice within six or 12 the country. Can he quote any example months . . . . (Interruptions). . . . where a child has been thrown into the well ? (Interruptions) AN HON. MEMBER : Why did not you people do anything in this regard ? ...... AN HON. MEMBER : I can quote. ( In­ (Interruptions).. .. terruptions)

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : Golden SHRI RAJESH PILOT : No, it is not era can be brought if the present Govern­ there. Don’t paint a wrong picture. This ment adheres to the policies initiated by is too much; it is not there ...... (Interrup­ my party. Where is Mr. Sitaram Kesri, tions) . . . . who makes hulla-baloo about the implemen­ tation of Mandal Commission reoprt. Even today’s reply is meaningless. In reply to a fTranslation] question the Government has expresed its helplessness regarding the implemen­ SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : Mr. tation of the Mandal Commission Speaker, Sir, a women, named Omvati, report and pretexted that the matter is committed suicide alongwith her three subjudice in the Supreme Court but the children. Everybody knows that she com­ newspapers carry reports that it will be im mitted suicide alongwith her children be­ plemented. Even the common list of State cause of her inability to face hunger and backward classes and the backward classes poverty ___ (Interruptions) 277 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 278

[English] tune of Tatas and Birlas. When you do justice to the poor you will also have to SHRI RAJESH PILOT : Mr. Speaker, meet the fate which Government of National Sir, we are not claiming that. {Interrup­ irront had met. You should always remem­ tions) But, let us not paint a wrong ber that it is not easy to do justice to picture of the country that the children are tne poor, though it is easy to speak of thrown into the well. This condition is these things...... (Interruptions) To­ not there in the country. ( Interruptions) day, ail the capitalists are with Congress.. (Interruptions) . . . . (Interruptions) Congress has been in power till now. Now the Government [Translation] is cnanging from anarchy to democracy. It is lor the first time that it has tried to SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : Mr. change to democracy. . (Interruptions) .. Speaker, Sir, if Shri Pilot wants, I am ready to accept the challenge to prove that not THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE one but dozens of children are thrown into (SHRI BALRAM jAKHAR) : i ou may the wells because of starvation. Mothers say anytning but we will have to go by the kill their children because of these condi­ thought content 7 Have you gone bank­ tions. What do you talk ? rupt 7 Deaths may take place but we have to see as what are the reasons behind SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : Mr. these deaths. In order to meet the require­ Speaker, Sir, just three days back, a woman ment ot the population of 34 crores food- named Omvati comitted suicide alongwith grains had to be imported, whereas now we her three children...... (Interruptions).. nave 20 million tonnes of foodgrams in % * butter stock even after meeting the require­ [English] ments of S3 crores of people. You must keep in mind tne progress we have m ade.. .. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : {Inteii upiions) . . . . It is not correct to say There is a communication gap ...... (Inter­ that we have not made progress. ruptions) . . . . SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Credit IT ranslation] goes to the farmers and I am thankful to snn Jakhar for what he has said. How­ SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : I will ever, in 1977 when I was elected to this conclude within ten minutes. If I use an House 1 had asked a question about India’s unparliamentary word you may check me. total foreign debt and the reply was Rs. 21 But if the hon. Minister has any objection thousand crore. In 1980 when the same on what I submit, he may challenge me, 1 question was raised, the answer was that would be ready to meet the challenge {In­ not a single penny had been taken as loan terruptions) ...... You have not seen during 1977-79. But how is it that in 1982 poverty. You visit that area in Bihar to the amount of foreign debt increased to which Shri Soren and Shri Mandal belong, Rs. 23,000 crore and in 1985 to Rs. 4500 even today the people of that area tie a crore. Foreign debt at present is to the piece of bamboo stick whenever a person tune of Rs. 1 lakh crore. What did you breaks his leg. No hospital is there even do with that money ? . . . . ( Interruptions) today. You can see the deplorable condi­ . . . . I think you have done nothing ex­ tion of Bastar, even today the people of that cept increasing the assets of Tatas and area drink contaminated water which in­ Birlas. You have mortgaged the country. ducts germs into their bodies. They are Foreign debt has increased to Rs. one lakh living in such poor conditions ___(Inter* crore and eevn then you have not made ruptions).... provision for drinking water in the rural SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR (Chimur) : areas. You have not opened schools and Today, you are reminded of poverty. hospitals in villages. You were talking of For eleven months you were not aware of our eleven months’ rule. If you complete it...... (Interruptions) the works started by us during our eleven months' rule the country would make great SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : Till now, progress within a period of five years . . . . this Government has been dancing to the (Interruptions) . . . . 279 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 280

Mr. Speaker, Sir, my submission is that tics from the Golden Temple, then it is also our Government was voted out of power on not fair to play politics in the name of three issues. First one was secularism. temple. Both are wrong .. ( Interruptions) There is no doubt that communal forces in the country are raising their head and are SHRI HARIN PATHAK (Ahmedabad): strengthening themselves. There are such Paswanji, don’t link it with the temple, link parties in the country that when I went for it with Jama Masjid. You surrendered my election campaign . . . . ( Interruptions) before the Imam.

During electioneering when I visited the SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : Mr. Speaker, Sir, if the Prime Minister of a constituency of Shri Sharad Pawar. I heard secular country meets the Shankaracharya, leaders of Shiv Sena openly declaring that bows to the Pope, meets a Muslim leader, if their Government came to power they would remove the statue of Mahatama that does not mean communalism in a Secu­ Gandhi and install the statue of Nathuram lar State.... (Interruptions).... Godse. However the next day, Shri Lai K. Advani contradicted the statement. I Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to submit am thankful to him for this. But again to my colleagues that this country is like a the leaders of Shiv Sena repeated that what­ garden and all of us in Parliament are like ever they had stated was true and Shri gardeners. Advani was nobody to interpret their state­ ments. There was not a single newspaper I agree with Shri Saifuddin Soz when he which did not report this news item. Shri said that he goes to mosque as a Muslim Advani himself is aware of it ---- (Interrup­ devotee but in Parliament he came to Par­ tions).... liament as an MP, as a representative. Therefore, I would request all the Mem­ SHRI ANANTRAO DESHMUKH bers to nourish the country like a gardner, (Washim) : No statement to this effect was only then the country will prosper every made, I refute this statement------(Interrup­ fiower will have opportunity to bloom. tions).... This country has Hindus, Sikhs, Christians downtrodden and Brahamins also. You [English] talk of a Hindu nation. I would like to ask you whether it is not a Hindu nation SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : Mr now ? ( Interruptions) I will take an active Speaker, Sir, I would like to say a few words part in the discussion when the resolution to my Congress colleagues, that so far as on Ram Janam Bhoomi—Babri Masjid will comunalism is concerned, they cannot claim come up. However, today, I would only that they have clean hands. So far as submit that even today ours is a Hindu Babri Masjid issue is concerned, they com­ nation. Does anyone, whether it is the mitted the very first blunder by laying the Prime Minister, President, Vice-President, foundation stone there. They cannot deny Chief Justice or Chief Election Commis­ this fact. Whenever, such occasion comes, sioner of India belong to a minority com­ there is not much difference between Cong. munity ? All are Hindus. Which nation U) and BJP. They raise the bogey of do you want to create ? What type of threat to the Hindu nation in the name of Hindu nation do you want ? ...... communalism RSS is the first to come to (Interruptions) . . . . their rescue. Even today, they are having secret understanding but in future it is SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North) : bound to come to light. Mr. Speaker, Sir, If the head of a country is Hindu, does through you, I would like to submit that that mean that it is a Hindu nation ? If in 1980 on Bhindranwala issue, Shri Advani the leader of his party is Hindu does that and Shri Vajpayee had said that people mean that his is a Hindu party. This is should not indulge in the politics of reli­ wrong. People will start calling Janata gion. Do not carry on political activities Party, a Hindu* party. He should think from the Golden Temple. My submission before .saying anything ---- (Interruptions) that when it was not fair to indulge in poli­ 281 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion oj Confidence 282

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : Mr. have ruled over the poor and the backward Speaker, Sir, religion is a separate thing for thousands of years, are not going to and nationality is a separate thing. Who leave this practice easily. Today, the Chief is a national and who is a foreigner ? The Minister of Maharashtra, Shri Naik, be­ person who is prepared to sacrifice his life longs to a Banjara Community and Shri for the country is a true national, and the Advani appointed a Kurmi as the Chief person who is a traitor may be called a Minister . . . . (Interruptions) ...... In foreigner. If someone asks me, ‘who was Maharashtra, Shivaji, Sahuji, Mahatma the greatest patriot’, I will name Shri Abdul Phule and Dr. Ambedkar brought social Hamid, who was given the highest award revolution. In South, this revolution was —the ‘Param Veer Chakra’—for his coin­ started by Periyar and carried on upto age during the Indo-Pak war of 1965. Annadurai . . . . (Interruptions) ___ The Sardar Bhagat Singh was another great Congressmen were the first to oppose Man­ patriot, who merrily faced the gallows. dal Commission, and as a result, they were The biggest traitor is the person who accu­ wiped out from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. mulates wealth of the country in foreign B.J.P. was also wiped out from Bihar. Shri banks and makes money as a middleman Advani was arrested in the constituency in Bofors deal ___ (Interruptions) . . . . from where I have won . . . . (Interrup­ Mr. Speaker, Sir, our country is based on tions) . . . . The person, who laid the secularism and social justice. We cannot foundation stone contested against me leave it. During these 43 years of inde­ and secured third place. Advaniji and pendence, you have talked a lot about the Atalji went to this constituency but in vain backwards and scheduled castes ...... (Interruptions) ___ Because they have opposed the Mandal Commission. 1 MR. SPEAKER : Hon. Member, please would only like to submit that we cannot conclude. You are a very good parlia­ leave the issue of social justice. You have mentarian. said about providing “power to the people”. I would like to amend it as “power to the SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : Mr. poor”. Power to the people means people Speaker, Sir, I will conclude within 5 like Tatas and Birlas. Whenever you re­ minutes. A lot is said about the scheduled fer to power to the people, you should castes and scheduled tribes. But even aftei talk about providing power to the poor. 43 years of independence, everybody is During our regime, the labour participa­ aware that there is increase in the naxalite tion in Management Bill was introduced activities. Have you ever thought as to in the Rajya Sabha and I remember that why naxalite activities are increasing in even the trade union leaders belonging to Andhra Pradesh and Bihar ? You are try* the Congress Party and the B.J.P. were in ing to kill the mosquitoes only. You can favour of referring it to a Select Com­ kill mosquitoes with D.D.T. but until the mittee. You will not implement it be­ dirty drains are cleaned, it will continue to cause it is our commitment to provide breed mosquitoes, even if you kill lakhs social justice, secularism and power to the of mosquitoes. From where these prob' poor. It is immaterial whether the num­ lems of naxalites, Bodo Land and Jhar­ ber of our MPs is 56 or it is only six... khand are arising? They could not get (Interruptions). This is our basic struggle. justice even after these 44 years of inde­ Sit a was kidnapped ... (Interruptions) ... pendence and were tolerating injustice in Leave this topic, but in the name of Rama one form or the other. Therefore, they you cannot mislead the people for long. have only two ways—one is of non-vio­ The issue should be of social justice, secu­ lence and the other is violence. When the larism and power to the poor. You will issue cannot be settled peacefully they re­ have to pay attention to the farmers and sort to violence. Don’t think that people, the labourers and should not give impor­ who are meek, do not have heart or feel tance to Tatas and Birlas. You must take pain. You should remember that your oath to have rule of the farmers and the party is bound to disintegrate if you imple­ labourers ... (Interruptions) ... Not ment the report of the Mandal Commis­ only the downtrodden and the minorities sion. No one wants to live in this dark­ but the people like Dayanand Saraswati, ness. This is not so simple. Those who* Buddha, Gandhi and Vivekananda also 283 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 284 fought for social justice and now Shri that no temple will be constructed by V. P. Singh is fighting for it . . . ( Interrup­ demolishing the Mosque. ( Interruptions) tions) . *. I am saying why Shri V. P. Singh is being abused. He belongs neither to MR. SPEAKER : Please take your seat. the backward classes nor to the minorities, I think we have a lot of discussion on this but even then he is being abused, because issue and Shri Paswan is able enough in he tried to implement the report of the expressing his views in a few words. Please Mandal Commission and tried to maintain conclude. secularism by saying that the Mosque should be kept intact. A lot depends up­ SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : I was on the reply, that is to be given by the saying about the attitude of the present Hon. Prime Minister, regarding the Govern­ Government and about the understanding, ment’* stand in this regard, because the they have reached with the BJP daring Uttar Pradesh Government says that they the last two three days for the posts of the will demolish the M osque ...... Speaker and the Deputy-Speaker. I would like to submit if the National Front and {Interruptions) the Left Parties wanted to elect their own SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : candidates for the posts, they would have This has never been said. He is mislead­ done so, but I have already said it in the ing. very beginning that both the Congress and the BJP are equally poisonous to us. There­ SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : I would fore, we are not ready to enter into any like to know from the B.J.P. leaders agreement with anyone of them. ( Interrup­ whether they have not said that the temple tions) ... will be constructed by removing the Mosque. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : When Shri V. P. Singh was the Prime {Interruptions) Minister and we were supporting him, we were all right. But, when we withdrew SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : our support, we have become like poison Just now the hon. Member has alleged that for them. the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh has said that the Mosque will be demolished. SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA : They I would like to challenge him where this came to us with folded hands for our has been said. Party’s support.

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : ‘Gur SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : We khao gulgule se purhaze’ . . . ( Interrup­ were not like poison to them, when their tions) ---- Is it not true that the BJP and Government continued for 11 months and the Government of U.P. want to construct they remained in power with our support. a temple at the same site, where the Shila- nyas Ceremony had been performed ? If SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : Mr. this is not correct, they should spell out Speaker, Sir, in those 11 months, we were their programme. like Lord Shiva and were drinking their poison. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA : It is wrong to say that the Chief Minister SHRI KALKA DAS (Karolbagh) : How of Uttar Pradesh has spoken of demolish­ can they talk of justice now, when they ing the Mosque and he wants to incite themselves have caused maximum damage communal feeling by saying such things. to the scheduled castes ? ( Interruptions) SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA (Pali) : SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : Mr. Is it not true that Shri V. P. Singh had Speaker, Sir, I was saying that the present said that there was no mosque, in Ayodhya. Congress Government has no programme When there is no mosque, the question of before it regarding social justice, secula­ demolishing it does not arise. rism and power to the poor. I don’t know what will be the reply of the Hon. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : It is Prime Minister and therefore, I and my very good, if the Members of the BJP say party totally oppose this motion. 285 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 286

{English} May 1 say this, that when Shrimati Indira Gandhi was presiding SHRI FRANK ANTHONY (Nominat­ over the Centenary Annual General ed-Anglo-Indian) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, aftei meeting of the All India Anglo-Indian Association, she the noisy speeches what I am going to say —I had the privilege of being is like an antidote. ( Interruptions) I rise to mentioned the elected President of the institution that give my supreme support to the motion of celebrated its centenary in 1976— that Mr. the Prime Minister. I am not abusing any­ Frank Anthony refused to allow his com­ body. I have never been a member of munity to be referred to as a backward the Congress Party. ( Interruptions) I am he allowed it ‘he senior-most Member of this House. community; never to be backward class. What I say i or the last 40 years. I have been associat­ branded as a h this. some people who, be* ed with the Nehru family. Here are cause of their considerable contribution to I i nnot understand the innumerable the development of India, refuse to be oddities whivh Shri Advani has mention- branded as backward. od. The supreme oddity is that in one I here example of their gallan­ brerth he said that he was opposing the give an In the Kashmir conflict, when the ■Motion, and in the other breath he said try. tribals were a few miles away from Sri­ ha; the Motion will not be lost because nagar the infiltrators were driven away by iohnh wanted the Government to fall. the Indian Air Force which was manned And another supreme oddity is. here is a by people of my community. Half of the xit' ■ihat sks in the Opposition committed gallantry awards were given to Anglo- •to the extreme form of religious funda- Indian fighter pilots. The task that you nentansm. That is what I do not under- have undertaken Mr. Prime Minister is star:! They had taken an oath that they gigar.- c and unusual. We talk of % would support secularism but they preach nation but we are much more than a ’ntter hatred against one particular reli­ nation: we are a sub-continent. In fact, gion and the largest minority in India. we have 179 languages and 500 dialects and patois. That is the extent to which May J say this that while the Nehru era you have :o control this country. I wish war democracy was in its best form. there, you -■ e5l. Although the five Prime Minis- May I ; iso say this, that Shrimati Indira lers h.-.ve always recommended me for Gandhi was flailed in the British Press as nomination to the first Anglo-Indian seat he Iron Lady* as ihe Iron Lady who con­ in the Lok Sabha they never asked me to trols the largest democracy in the world join the Congress. This was the tribute and she was the only democratic leader to the’i sense of secularism. n the: world who controlled inflation. That was Indira Gandhi. She was hailed MR. SPEAKER : I think the y%4louse ia the World Press also as the Iron Lady, agrees to si* until this item is disposed of i was at one time a student of Economic'. >ut ctven ii up later. Now I see a number SFVERAI. HON. MEMBERS : Yes. ).f economists who are giving divergent opinions As a lawyer I know that one MR. SPEAKER : So. it is agreed. Now •'•iwycr can take care of one side of a the Prime Minister. case J another can really reject it com­ tl THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI P. V pletely NARASIMHA RAO) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, \ have some very good friends in I am grateful to the hon. Members who America. One of those friends sent me have participated in this debate and given three books. In one of those books the me invaluable views, opinions, guidelines, author talks about the effects of the recent admonitions, etc.. etc. I am grateful to them war ic the middle-east. The unemploy­ because we stand at a point in the history ment rate has gone up tremendously. In of this country, where all these become America many people are unemployed relevant just because we fall short by ten now. Many people are sleeping on the or twelve votes. That is the immediate strtets and getting their food from the reason. But, Sir, that is not really the daat-bins of five-star hotels. reason which I see from the experiennce 10—545 LSS/91 287 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 266 of the elections. Before the elections vve complicated for one party or one party know that a lot was being written and said Government to go auead singlv-haodedly about a hung parliament. Even before to try to solve them. It will help it you me elections were announced, wise leaders have a majority, it will be a lime cuffi- oi tms country warned that the days oi cult if you do not have a majority. But massive majorities are over. This country in any case, to say that if I have a majo­ shomci kuow, the peopie should know whai rity 1 need not consult any one else io cxpcct in future and they should also 1 will consult only if I fall short would be be mentally and politically prepared to wioxi^. m at nas not been my ap­ tace situations where no single party would proach. get tne majority and be able to form the government. It is not that this was un­ anticipated. These situations were anti­ On the fourth day of my assumption ol cipated and I am sure each of the politi­ office because one or two days were spent cal parties in this country had anticipated in giving portfolios, I had separate meet­ ings with revered leaders of the opposition —not necessarily was sure about it but had anticipated in pasting, my pa*ty cer­ pax lies, sui oi tnem nave worked wita m& tainly did. And in tnat view, we Had to We have worked together. I have very consider how this party would function or good relations with each one of them. So uie Government of this party would func­ I called them. They were good enough to tion if the people voted it to power. I was come. So far as Mr. Chandra Sekhar is asked times without number. Sir, by press­ concerned, I called on him as is the cus­ men during the campaigns, whether 1 be­ tom. We discussed generally about how lieved that the Congress party w'ould get a to go about it. Because we are ten majority. I said : “‘yes”. The next question short, it did not deter me from forming was, if you do not get a majority, what a government and it did not deter me from will you do ? The answer was : “I would going ahead with my consultations in gene­ not say anything about a hypothetical ques­ ral with all the parties. And I am glad that tion. 1 am sure that 1 am going to get a the response was encouraging. The reali- majority. “That was what any leader of a f sation that today the mandate of the party going to elections would say. At the ! people, whatever it may be, positively or same time, I made it very clear because ! negatively is not for going to them again. of the warnings uttered by our wise leaders This mandate has gone home. It has been that whether I get ten more or ten less, it realised by all parties, all Members. And apart from the other impracticability of does not matter so much to me, my style of functioning is to be one of consensus. I having elections in the next two or three \ months the political massage was clear that said this. I have gone on record publicly you do not expect a massive majority here- to say that I will not ride rough-shod, the I after but you do try to run a Government Congress partv would not ride rough-shod \ and solve the problems of the people which and we would like to create areas of ^are crying for solution. agreement. These were the words that I had used. You cannot be harping on what you do not agree with. Keep them aside and go 18.00 hrs. ahead and serve the people. We would like to keep areas of disag­ reement a«ide because we have both areas. So my interpretation of the result is And the delicate situation, the very dange­ this. The people have come back to the rous situation in which the country finds Conpr^c” hut with a warning. They say, itself today demands this approach of all yes, Congress will form the Gowernm'nt parties and I said certainly of my party. but Cor»orrtss wil not nde rough shod. The I agree that this is going to be my ap­ Congress will have to try its very best to p r o a c h never mind whether we get ten less find a consensus with other parties. But or tea more. Even if we get 300 we can­ still the people said, if there is a pnrtjr « not solve the problems just by the strength which we have faith that it witt run of number*. That time has gone. The Government, it is thc Congrcs* W to t& m * problems of the country are much too no other party. 289 Motion ofConfidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 290

Having said that I would certainly agree would be? Therefore, the absolute urgency that the consensus that we need could of the situation made me request these elude us sometimes. Suppose I want a friends 1 > come and have a little chat, a costitutional amendment which my party sitting with my Finance Minister at which considers very important, it is obvious that all this was explained. Now, we did not I cannot bring it unless Advaniji agrees, tell them two things. Mr. Indrajit Gupta unless Vishwanathji agrees, unless other has complained about those two things friends like Indrajitji and Somnathji agree not having been told to them in so many or at least I have enough agreements to words, hut 1 do not plead guilty in push it through even if there is a little that. Wi en a step like adjustment of disagreement here and there. It hapepn- exchange rate is taken. I do not think that ed before. In 1977 the Janata Party had we could tell that to anyone in advance. I a massive majority in this House and the know they are all my friends. I know J Conaress had an equally massive majority need their support. I know if thev want in the other House. From the 42nd to the to bring the Government down they can. 44th amendments we held discussions, ne­ Ev'?n so. 1 would say that it is neither fair gotiations. We were members in the op­ for them to ask for these two decisions to position at that time. We said : “We will send gold outside to be deposited in a not allow this to go through unless you bank, so that you can immediately take allow that to go through/’ So after a good some money which you need so badly. deal of negotiation we agreed ultimately About 4 ho:-,e two decisions, it was not fair, on the 44th amendment. So that is how it would not be fair on their part to ask many of the provisions which were brought and ii would not be fair at all on my part in the 42nd amendment got modified in to di\ i*- *?.e :;i that, stage. All the other the 44th amendment. That is the only way measures which were really written about of running the government in this country in newspaper times without number. For successfully hereafter. I believe that. Un­ month? and months they 'Acre being dis­ less the people in their wisdom again give cussed. Panel discussions took place. So­ a massive mandate to one of the parties il is not us if the measures which we have I do rot see any other way of running the lake”, just dropped from the heaven over­ government. night. we were not even three-four days old. how could we prepare all those On the fifth day when we had indivi­ papers? The papers were ready. The de­ dual discussions, I called the leaders to cisions had not been taken and personally come for a joint meeting where the abso­ I think they were not taken, they could lutely desperate economic situations in the not be taken for very valid reasons. The country, which brooks no delay at all, 1 Governments the Chandra Shekharji’s Gov­ want that situation to be explained by my ernment was not in a position to take those Finance Minister. T could have waited. decisions and it is as well that they did In fact I would have waited had the situa­ not take those decisions. The result was tion been not as desperate as that. To­ that I he accumulated decision making fell day it is the 15th of July. If those mea­ on our head and v/e had no time to lose sures had not been taken on the 15th of and. therefore, we had to take all these luly— it was clear, absolutely certain—that decisions. India was going to become a defaulter. Once you become a defaulter what happens Now. it was not a piecemeal approach to the country, what happens to the eco­ at all. We have taken all the decisions. nomy is well-known, I do not have to des­ There is only one thing now which is to cribe it. What happens to inflation, what come before the people, but it will have happens to your credibility, what hapepns to come before the House since the Parlia­ to your credit worthiness, what happens to ment is in Session and that is the Indus­ all the deposits which the N.R.Is have put trial Policy reforms. I am sure that in in vowr banks in the confidence that this the next two or three days we are going Government would be stable, any Govern­ to give final touches to it and it will come ment in Tndia would be stable and their before the House and it will go before the not be jeopardized. There people. But to say that it is a piecemeal W&M be a rim on these banks and where approach, it is not correct. It has very 291 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 292 much to do with industrialisation, and the not guarantee that these decisions will not products of industrialisation being sent in bring their own distress and their own dis­ trade and export matters. So, there is a advantage. But that is where the Congress multi-faceted thing and which is inter-dis­ manifesto and the history of the Congress, ciplinary. and it is not a decision or a the party that runs the Government, comes series of decisions taken within five or into the picture. It is not Mr. Manmohan six days in isolation. They are not deci­ Singh. Manmohan Singh plus Mahatama sions in isolation. They emanted from Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi, the same decision or same approach to the Rajiv Gandhi and we, the small people on problems that arc facing today. Now. whom the mantle has fallen, thisis a com what have 1 done? What has the Govern­ bination. Here is a person who knows ment done? We know that there are no what is to be done and here we are who alternatives to what we have done. W7e know what the people want. There will have only salvaged the prestige of this be a marriage between the two. There is country. absolutely no doubl about it. We will not pursue anything which will be against the “Sarvanashc Samut panne ardh tvajati j national interest or against the programmes Paaditah/' | of the Congress meant for the poor. This | is the guarantee that I can give to this This is pracisely what we have done, i 1 House. We go by the manifesto. do not say that our economy has been booming or is going to boom immediately. What I am saying is sarvanashc samut- Just two days back . . . {Interruptions) panne. What would have happened today Just day before yesterday, we have given if we had not done that? We h:.ve done some finishing touches to the new Public it so as to salvage the economy. Natural­ Distribution System that we want to bring ly there is a long distance to go. This is in ;o this country. Public Distribution rot all. This is not the final s-•Ur.ion. this Sy: iein has been talked about. Except ip is only the beginning. Tf you do nor have two or three States, it has not been a sue a beginning, you cannot have an end. cess. It has not been cussessfully imple Therefore, the journey, the mahaprasthana men ted. For hours and hours we had to starts today after we have ta'; n these de­ [.•'> into the loophole of the Public Distri cisions. Thesc decisions have not been hution System. This would never have criticised .... (Interruptions'. And what hapened if it had not been a Government has been the result? This U what I want devoted to the poor, devoted to the inte­ our friends to understand. What has beers rests of the poor. So, we had to start the result in the atmosphere? What has been work from scratch, begin at the grass-roots the change in the atmosphere? Within the We will see to it that when the programme last one week, the Finance Minister has re­ comes on the ground, this stuff, these essen­ ceived literally hundreds of messages from tial commodities will certainly reach the the NRIs abroad saying that the> are go­ last of the Fair Price Shops in the village ing to support India now. Thev are no! Thai is the nitty-gritty we have gone into going to pull their moneys back. People We have not only enunciated principles have come from other countries to say : We have not only repeated from the paras we are here to trade with yon let us enter of the manifesto, we have gone a head and a long-term agreement. Within the next arranged for this. Now, before the House few weeks we will be altering long-term adjourns after the session, I am going to agreements to supp-y things to other coun­ announce those thincs in this House and in tries and they might be in a mood to give the other House. That is the time frame us some money in advance also to tide I have kept before myself. How we are over the crisis in which we find ourselves going to reform the Public Distribution today. Now, these are the immediate fall System, what is going to come in the place outs of the decisions taken. of the ramshackle that vou have In the name of Public Distribution system today, As I said, these decisions are not with­ these things will be clearly brought before out hazards. These decisions are not .un­ the Hou«e I have committed myself, ¥ MR qualified decisions and I cannot say, 1 can­ now committing before the House. I bive 293 Motion of Confidence A$ADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 294 committed my Government to this course eminent if there have been tmy lapse*, and of action. So, first we take this commit­ there have been plenty of lapses ih the ment. past, to correct them in time so that this Government will not Teally be leading to As regards the political aspect, 1 am another national disaster. I would not waiting for this vote to be passed in this lead to another national disaster, I would House, I should be very plain. I did not take everybody into confidence to the ex­ want to touch the political aspect before tent it is possible. Still there are areas the confidence vote is passed by this House. in which nobody can be taken into confi­ That is in the fitness of things. That is dence. If hon. Members want me to tell what political or other propriety demands them what the budget is going to contain, that I should be armed with a right to run sorry, I cannot do ihat, and I am Sure I the Government, the mandate to run the won’t be asked such questions. So, let us Government. Positively or negatively, by start with consulting each other. In the whatever means the voting pattern suggests process of consultation we will immedi­ or allows, the Government should be in a ately find out, we will come to know what position to run from tomorrow so that T is to be discussed, what is to be kept aside. take up these matters. Not that I have not The area of agreement we will concent­ done the home work, I have done the home rate on; the area of disagreement we Will work, but I will start consultations with keep aside, if possible. Within the area other party leaders tomorrow. I have spo­ of agreement we give and take. If there ken to one of the leaders this morning and is a view which is better than the Gov­ he said, ‘Yes, you are right, we will start ernment’s view in some respects, I ami>re- our sittings from tomorrow.’ I can assure pared to take your view and seethatWhat the House that on these very important I have started with is modified acfcoftlin^ly. matters that have so far defied complete I have no difficulty, I have no inhibition' in solutions, we have to be in touch, we have doing that. That will b£ the^ apprdftch. to discuss, we have to find a consensus and So, this is the approach with wfri£h I am without a consensus it will not be possible entreating this House. I have co*he to to solve those problems for food. Even this House with this motion. WheAef it with consensus, whether we will be able to is confidence or not, whether lit 15 days solve them within the time frame that we you could judge, whether you could really have in mind I am doubtful, but at the judge what wc are going to do in future, same time if there is no consensus there all this is there, you can ask yomrself all will be no solution, I am absolutely clear these questions to which you may Or tttay on that. So, this is going to be the metho­ not find answers. But at the end of the dology, this is going to be the approach day you have to vote on this. That is and with this approach I have come to this what is before you, that is the vote. That House because the President asked me to is the thing I am concerned with. I have find out whether this House is prepared to to run the Government tomorrow, I din- J let this Government run from tomorrow. not have the debating socicty ad hausSam . This is the summum bonum of the whole We can debate, we can debate the lapses, thing. We have gone into the question of' we can debate the plus points, the minus what the Congress Governments have done points, all these are all right, but th^pd$iii is and what the others have done. We have that the Government has to rim tom

Sir, about Assam I just wanted to give with the signatures oi the leaders ol aki a little clarification. It is said that there the panics, not just Mr Saikia himself. So, was a general amnesty and all that was 1 wouid like to place that before the House done wrongly. I have to tell the House and that would explain all these things. that we have a State Government there which is dealing with this problem. Left SH R i BASU DEB ACHARIA (Ban- to myself, I would let the State Govern­ kura) : What is there in the resolution? ment deal with the problem without inter­ fering, without taking an initiative from SHRI P. V. isiARASiMHA RAO : Delhi itself and creating more confussion iiiere iS an appeal to both sides in this in the short run. I would see how the ijpsoiuuon, asking the ULFA to respond to State Government deals with the situation, iue steps taKen by the Government and I would not like to come to any hasty con­ release of TADA detenues. The signato­ clusion about that. What Mr. Saikia, the ries include representatives from all the Chief Minister before the election did was national political parties including those that he gave a commitment to the people at the national level appear to be critical that those against whom there are no cases of the offer of release. This is what I pending or only small, petty cases are pen­ said. So, it is ail right, I mean if the ding—if I have understood his report cor­ local units think in a particular way we rectly—will be released. That is what he should respect the views of the local units has done after assuming power. It is not because they know where the shoe pinches. an amnesty in the sense in which those So, let them do it. They are doing in a against whom heinous offences are there, joint manner. 1 think the Chief Minister have been released. It is not like that He is taking others into confidence evidently made a commitment. There was nothing and they have come out with this joint of this abduction in the picture at that statement. So, let us wait and let us not time. So, after the abduction, he ha5 pronounce anything just now. naturally started efforts to see that those who have been abducted are not killed. One .Sir, about ihe industrial reforms, I said person has been killed already; we do not uiey are still in the offing. In the next know under what circumstances he has two or three days we will come out with been killed. But his first priority is to in cm. But as always happens, three or save the lives of these people and if any lour newspapers have come out with ver­ exchange or any releases are necessary in sions which do not tally entirely with each order to do that, then as a responsible other and any intelligent guess is possible Chief Minister he will do that. We should to bring all those things that have appear­ watch the situation for some more time ed in the papers. So, let us not go by before pronouncing a verdict on what has what has been contained in the news­ been done. It is not a question of general papers. What I would say is that we are amnesty that everybody is being released deregulating the economy, but at our own as a quid pro quo. As I said, it is not a pace. We welcome foreign investment, quid pro quo. It is an one sided commit but on our terms and in areas we deem ment which we gave before the election important and critical. This is the and which he has implemented after the cardinal principle subject to which we are election. But the rest, it is a question of doing this. If we consider that in an area negotiation and that is going on. That is no industrialisation is necessary or if it is how I understand. I also understand that injurious from the point of view of a the local units of all the parties whose developing country—and we can conceive leaders have criticised this decision today of many such situations where it may not are in favour of this decision. They have be injurious from their point of view in passed a resolution. I have got a copy of their countries, but it is certainly injurious that resolution. So, there seems to be from our point of view in our country— some hiatus between what the leaders here the Government reserves the right to stop think and what their junior partners there that kind of industry* from coming here. think. You may better check up with Tt is n o t as though wfe have opened up to them. I have an authority that there is, a an extent whfere everybody is welcome to resolution A resolution has been passed come and do everything here. It is not 97 Motion of Confidence ASAfiHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 298 ovdbk. So* bulk ot out controls, wc MR. SPEAKER: The question is: loutvd h m \mmpwed tYvo economic activities in the past. This has been the “That this House express its confi­ experience. Time has come according to dence in the Council oi Ministers” the Government and according to every­ Those in favour will please say ‘Ays’. one because this change is sweeping the whole world. 1 do not want to say any­ SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS : Aye’. thing about Comrade Gorbachev and MR. SPEAKER: Those against will what is happening in other countries. All please say ‘No’. this has been said already. People arc more knowledgeable than myself on what SOME HON. MEMBERS ; ‘No’. is happening in the Soviet Union. That has been spoken. So, I do not have to MR. SPEAKER : 1 think the ‘Ayes’ repeat all that we cannot keep out of this have it. The ‘Ayes’ have it. change, this complete global sweeping change that is coming. May-be in the SOME HON. MEMBERS: The ‘Noes’ manner in which we manage the change have it. in this country, we may be committing MR. SPEAKER: Let the Lobbies be mistakes. 1 am not quite sure that others are not committing cleared— mistakes. But I do not want to commit. MR. SPEAKER : Hon. Members, As So, let us find out. You are authorities Division Numbers have not so far been on this. 1 am prepared to sit with you allotted to Members, it is not possible to and discuss what we did, what we should hold the Division by the Automatic Vote do and what needs to be done. BJP friends Recording Machine. Division will no^r also can tell us what needs not to be take place under Rule 367AA by distri­ done, all that. Let us come to an under­ bution of slips. standing of what should be done in pur­ suance of this great change which you Members will be supplied at their seats cannot ignore and if we ignore, we do it with ‘Ayey‘No' printed slips for recording at our peril. We will be simply isolated their votes. ‘Aye' slips are printed on one in the world and we do not want this iso­ side in green, both in English and Hindi lation to come to India. That is why. and ‘No’ in red on its reverse. On these there is so much of area in which we slips, Members may kindly record votes of could come to an agreement, to an under­ Iheir choice by signing and writing their standing and I can assure you that I will identity card numbers, names, constituency keep my mind open. The Government and State/Union Territory and date legibly mind will be absolutely open to new ideas, at the places specified on the slip. (Interrup­ new innovative ideas that may be coming tions) .... Or else, you can write your from any quarter. This is the spirit in names at least. Members who desire which we are approaching the problems of to record ‘Abstention’ may ask for the ihc country. ‘Abstention’ slip which is in yellow colour. Immediately after recording his vote, each Member should pass on his slip to the I need not reply to all the points that Division Clerk who will call upon his seat have been raised, some of them are rele­ to collect the same for handing over to vant but you know in such a long debate, the Officers at the Table. Members are some irrelevant things also slip in. Noth­ requested to fill in only one slip for the ing can be done about them. You will division. pardon me if I do not really follow those (interruptions) hon. Members, 1 do not chase them into those fields which 1 consider irrelevant. MR. SPEAKER: Well, hon. Members I think the Hindi version of this state­ ment is available to you. I will again read Thank you very much. I command it out. To be more exact, you can put this Motion for the acceptance of the on your earphone. You would get word- House. ( Interruptions), by-word translation of what I am reading 299 Motion vj Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 300 here again because it 1 just translate, there You may vote according to your choice. may .be a slip Here and there. Well, 1 Our start members will collect it from win repeat it again. It you want, I can you and then the slips will be counted. translate word-by-word. But that would Thereafter the result will be announced. The be more correct. 1 will read it out again. 'Aye-' slips are printed in green letters and As Division Numbers have not so far ‘No’ in red. The ‘Abstention' slip is in yel­ been allotted to Members, it is not possi­ low colour. I think this explanation is enough. ble to hold the Division by the Automatic Vote Recording Machine. Division will [English] now' take place under Rule 3 67A A by The question is : distribution of slips. That the following motion moved by the Members will be supplied at their seats Prime Minister be adopted:— with ‘AyeY’No? printed slips for recording their votes. ’Aye' slips are printed on one ‘That this House expresses its confi­ dence in the Council of Ministers.” side in green, both in English and Hindi and ‘No’ in red on its reverse. On these Now Division—Let the slips be distri­ slips, Members may kindly record votes of buted. their choice by signing and writing their AYES identity card numbers. If they do not [18.46 hrs. remember their identity card Nos., they Div. No. J] can write their names, constituency Ahamed, Shri E. (Manjeri) and State, Union Territory and date legibly at the places specified on the slip. Ahirwar, Shri Anand (Sagar). Members who desire to record ‘Absten­ Ahmed, Shri Kamaluddin (Hanam- tion' may ask for the ‘Abstention’ slip konda). which is in yellow' colour. Immediately Aiyar, Shri Mani Shankar (Mayiladcilli­ after record his vote, each Member should ra i) pass on his slip to the Division Clerk who will call upon his seat to collect the same Anbarasu Era, Shri (Madras Central,) for handing over to the Officers at the Annayyagari, Shri Sai Pratap (Rajam- Table. Members are requested to fi'l in pet) only one slip for the Division. Anthony, Shri Frank (Nominated Anglo- [Translation] I would liek to speak in Hindi. The elec­ Indian) tronic voting device is not working and the Antulay, Shri A. R. (Kulaba) division numbers have not been allotted to Arunachalam, Shri M. (Tenkasi) the Members. Therefore, you will be given a slip and you have to write your Asokaraj, Shri A. (Perambalur) name on it. The slips would be in two Athithan, Shri R. Dhanuskodi (Tim- colours—green and red. Whatever you chendur) want to write, whether Ayes or Noes, you can write. If you want to write on both Banerjec. Kumari Mamata (Calcutta- the slips, you can do so. You have to South ) write your name, State/UT and Identity Bansal, Shri Pawan Kumar (Chandi­ Card No. ... ( Interruptions). garh) [English] Bhadana, Shri Avtar Singh (Faridabad) SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Bhagat, Shri Vishweshwar (Balaghat) Sir, he has got neither any identity nor Bhagey Gobardhan, Shri (Mayurbhanj) any State because he is a nominated Mem­ Bhakta, Shri Manoranjan (Andaman- ber. (Interruptions). Nicobar) [Translation] Bhandari, Shrimati Dil Kumari (Sikkim) MR. SPEAKER: Thereafter you may Bhardwaj, Shri Parasram (Sarangarh) record 4Aye’ or *No\ He will be pro­ vided with another slip in yellow colour. Bhoi, Dr. Krupasindhu (Sambalpur) 301 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 302

Bhonsle, Shri Prataprao B. (Satara) Dutt, Shri Sunil (Bombay-North) Bhonsle, Shri Tejsinghrao (Ramtek) Fa rook. Shri M. O. H. (Pondicherry) Bhuria. Shri Dileep Singh (Jhabun) Fernandes. Shri Oscar (Udupi) Birbal. Shri (Ganganagar) Gaikwad. Shri Udaisinghrao (Kolhapur) Btita Singh, Shri (Jalore) Gajapathi, Shri Gopi Nath (Berham- pur) Chacko, Shri P. C. (Trichur) Gamit, Shri Chhitubhai (Mandvi) Chaliha, Shri Kirip (Guwahati) Gangula, Shri Prathap Reddy (Nand- Chandrakar, Shri Chandulal (Durg) yaO Chandrasekhar, Shrimati Maragatham Gavii. Shri Manikrao Hodlya (Nandar- (Sriperumbudur) bar) Charles, Shri A. (Trivendrum) Gehlot, Shri Ashok (Jodhpur) Chaudhri. Shri Narain Singh (Hissar) Ghatowar. Shri Paban Singh (Dibru* Chaudhary. Shri Ram Prakash (Arnbala) garh) Giriyappa. Shri C. P. Mudala (Chitra- Chaure, Shri Bapu Hari (Dhule) durga) Chavan, Shri Priihviraj D. (Karad) Gogoi, Shri Tarun (Kaliabor) Chavda, Shri Tshwarbhai Khodabhai Goman go, Shri Giridhar (Koraput) (Anandj Gounder. Shri A. Senapathi (Palani) Chennithala, Shri Ramesh (Kottayam) Govindarajulu. Shri R. Kanaga (Siva- Chidambaram. Shri P. (Sivaganga) kasi) Chinta Mohan. Dr. (Tirupathi) Gudadinni. Shri B. K. (Bijapur) Chowdhury. Shri A. B. A. Ghani Khan Hai'idigue, Shri Bijoy Krishna (Jorhat) (Mai da) Hood a. Shri Bhupinder Singh (Rohtak) Damor, Shri Somjibhai (Dohad) Jmchalemba. Shri (Nagaland) Deka. Shri Prabin (Mangaldoi) Inderjit, Shri (Darjeeling) Delkar, Shri Mohan (Dadra and Nagar Havel i) Jaffer Sharief, Shri C. K. (Bangalore North) Dennis, Shri N. (Nagercoil) .Takhar, Shri Ba] Ram (Sikar) Deora, Shri Mnrli (Bombay South) Janarthanan. Shri M. R. (Tirunelveli) Deshmukh. Shri Anantrao (Washim) Jangde, Shri Khelan Ram (Vilaspur) Dev, Shri Santosh Mohan (Tripura West) Jntav. Shri Bare T.al (Morena) Devarajan, Shri B. (Rasipuram) Jawali, Dr. B. G. (Gulbarga) Devi, Maharani Bibhu Kumari (Tripura Jayamohan, Shri A. (Tirupattur) East) Jeevarathinam, Shri R. (Arkonam) Dighe, Shri Sharad (Bombay-North Central) Jhikram, Shii Mohan Lai (Mandla) Digvijaya Singh, Shri (Rajgarh) Juvvadi, Shri Chokka Rao (Karim Diwan, Shri Paw an (Mahasamund) Nagar) 303 Motion of Confidence JULY 15. 1991 Motion of Confidence 304

Kahandole, Shri Z. M. (Malegam) Marbaniang, Shri Peter G. (Shillong) Kale, Shri Shankar Rao (Kopcrgaon) Mathew, Shri Pala K. M. (Idukki) Kaliaperumal, Shri P. P. (Cuddalore) Mathur, Shri Shiv Charan (Bhilwara) Kamal Nath, Shri (Chindwara) Meena, Shri Bheru Lai (Salumbar) Kamat, Shri Gurudas (Bombay-North- Meghe, Shri Datta (Nagpur) East) Mirdha, Shri Nathuram (Nagaur) Kamble, Shri Arvind Tulshiram (Os- Mirdha, Shri Ram Niwas (Banner) manabad) Muniyappa, Shri K. H. (Kolar) Kamson, Prof. M. (Outer Manipur) Muraleedharan. Shri K. (Calicut) Kanithi, Dr. Viswanatham (Srikaku- lam) Murthy, Shri M. V. Chandrashekara (Kankapura) Karreddula, Kamla Kumari (Bhadra- Murugesan, Shri N. (Karur) chalam) Kasu, Shri Venkata Krishna Reddy Muttemwar, Shri Vilas (Chimur) (Narasaraopeta) Naik, Sh. A. Venkatesh (Raichur) Kaul, Shrimati Sheila (Rae Bareli) Naik, Shri G. Devraya (Kanara) Khan, Shri Aslam Sher (Betul) Naikar, Shri D. K. (Dharwad, North) Khan, Shri Ayub (Jhunjhunu) Nandi, Shri Yellaiah (Siddipet) Khursheed, Shri Salman (Farrukha- Narayanan, Shri K. R. (Ottapalam) bad) Narayanan, Shri P. G. (Gobichettiyala- Konathala, Shri Rama Krishna (Anaka- yam) palli) Nawale, Shri Vidura Vithoba (Khed) Krishnaswamy, Shri M. (Vandavasi) Nayak, Shri Mrutyunjaya (Phulbani) Ksirsagar, Shrimati Kesharbai Sonaji (Beed) Nayak, Shri Subash Chandra (Kala- handi) Kuli, Shri Balin (Lakhimpur) Netam, Shri Arvind (Kankar) Kumarmangalam, Shri Rangrajan (Salem) Nikam, Shri Govindrao (Ratnagiri) Kuppuswamy, Shri C. K. (Coimbatore) Nyamgonda, Shri Siddappa Bhimappa (Bagalkot) Kurien, Prof. P. J. (Mavelikara) Odyar, Shri Channaiah (Davangare) I^akshmanan, Prof. Savithri (Mukunda- puram) Owaisi, Shri Sultan Salahuddin (Hyderabad) Lourdusamy, Shri Adaikalaraj (Tiru- chirapalli) Dr. (Smt.) Padma (Nagapattinam) Made Gowda, Shri G. (Mandya) Padmasree, Shri Kundumula (Nellore) Malik. Shri Dharam Pal Singh (Soni- Pal. Dr. Devi Prosad (Calcutta-North- pat) West) Mallikarjun, Shri (Mahbubnagar) Palacholla, Sh. Venkata Rangayya Naidu (Khammam) Mallu, Dr. R. (Nagar Kurnool) Pandian, Shri D. (Madras North) Mane, Shri Rajaram Shankarrao (Tchal- kaamji) Pantfrahi, Shri Sriballav (Deogarh) 305 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 306

Panja, Shri Ajit Kumar (Calcutta- Raju, Sh. S. Vijaya Rama (Parva&i- North-East) puraih) Patel. Shri Praful (Bhandara) Ramamurthy, Shri K. (Krishnagiri) Patel, Shri Shravan Kumar (Jabalpur) Ramaswamy, Shri R. (Periyakulam) Patel, Shri Uttambhai Hargibhai (Bul- Ramachandran, Shri Mullappally (Can- sar) nanore) Patil, Shri Anwari Basavaraj (Koppal) Ram Babu, Shri A. G. S. (Madurai) Patil, Shri Prakashbapu Vasantrao Ram Singh, Rao (Mahindergarh) (Sangli) Rath, Shri Rama Chandra (Aska) Patil, Smt. Pratibha Devisingh (Amra- Rao, Shri V. Krishna (Chikballapur) vati) Rathva, Shri Naranbhai Jamlabhai Patil, Shri Uttamrao Deorao (Yavat- (Chhota Udaipur) mal) Rawat, Shri Bhagwan Shankar (Agra) Patil, Shri Vijay Naval (Erandol) Reddy, Shri Anantha Venkata CAnanta- Patil, Shri Yashwantrao (Ahmednagar) pur) Patra, Dr. Kartikeswar (Balasore) Reddy, Shri M. Baga (Medak) Pattanayak, Shri Sarat Chandra (Bol&n- Reddy, Shri Mahasamudram Ghanen- gir) dra (Chittoor) Pawar, Shri Ajit Anantrao (Baramati) Reddy, Shri Megunta Subbarama (On* Pawar, Dr. Vasant Niwentti (Nasik) gole) Reddy, Shri R. Surender (Warangal) Peruman, Dr. P. Vallal (Chidambaram) Reddy. Shri Vijaya Bhaskara (Karnool) Pilot, Shri Rajesh (Dausa) Sadul, Shri Dharmanna Mondayya^ Poosapati, Shri Anandgajapati Raju (Bobbili) (Solapur) Sahi, Smt. Krishna (Begusarai) Potdukhe, Shri Shantaram (Chandra* pur) Sait, Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman (Ponnani) Prabhu. Shri R. (Nilgiris) Sajjan Kumar. Shri (Outer Delhi) Prabhu Zantya, Shri Harish Narayan Sangma, Shri Pumo A. (Tura) (Panji) Sanipalli, Shri Gangadhara (Hindupur) Pradhani, Shri K. (Nowrangpur). Savvant, Shri Sudhir (Rajapur) Prasad, Shri V. Sreenivasa (Chamaraja- nagar) Sayeed, Shri P. M. (Lakshadweep) Scindia, Shri Madhav Rao (Gwalior) Rahi, Shri Ram Lai (Misrikh) Selja, Km. (Sirsa) Rai. Shri Kalpnath (Ghosi) Shankaranand, Shri B. (Chikkodi) Rajaravivarma, Shri B. (Pollachi) Sharma, Shri Chiranji Lai (Kamal ) Rajendrakumar, Shri S. S. R. (Chengeel- Shingda, Shri Damu Barku (Dedhanu) pattu) Shivappa, Shri K. G. (Shimoga) Rajeshwaran, Dr. V. (Ramnathapuram) Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan (Raipur) Rajeswari, Shrimati Basava (Bettary) Sidnal, Shri S. B. (Bclgaum) 307 Moiioti ofConfidence JULY 15. 1991 Motion of Confidence 308

Silvera, Dr. C. (Mizoram) Vandayar, Shri K. Thulasiah (Thanja- vur) Singh. Shri Arjun (Satna) Verma, Shfi Bhavvani Lai (Janjgir) Singh, Shri Dalbfr (Shahdol) Verm a, Km. Vim la (Seoni) Singh. Shri Khelsai (Sarguja) Vijayaraghavan, Shri V. S. (Palghat) Singh. Shri Manphool (Bikaner) Vyas, Dr. Girija (Udaipur) Singh. Shri Motilal (Sidhi) Wasnik, Shri Mukul Balkrishna (Bul- Singh, Km. Pushpa Devi (Raigarh) dana) Singh, Shri S. B. (Rajnandgaon) Williams, Maj. Gen. R. G. (Nominated Sodi, Shri Manku Ram (Bastar) Anglo-Indian) Solanki. Shri Surajbhanu (Dhar) NOES Soundaram. Dr. (Smt.) K. S. (Tirn- chengode) Abedya Nath, Mahant (Gorakhpur) Sridharan, Shri R. (Madras South) Advani, Shri Lai, K. (Gandhi Nagai) Srinivasan, Shri Chinnasnmy (Dinciigul) Agnihotri, Shri Rajendra (Jhansi)

Sukh Ram. Shri (Mandi) Baliyan, Shri N. K. (Muzaffar Nagar) Sultanpuri. Shri Krishan Dutt (Shi ml a) Bandarn. Shri Dattatraya (Secundera­ Sundararaj. Shri N. (Pudukkotta) bad) Suresh. Shri Kodikkunil (Adoor) Berwa. Shri Ram Narain (Tonk) Swamy, Shri G. Venkat (Pedapalli) Bhargava, Shri Girdhari Lai (Jaipur) Tara Singh. Shri (Kurukshetra) Chaudhary, Shri Rudrasen (Bahraich) Thakur, Mahendra Kumar Singh Chauhan. Shri Chetan P. S. (Amroha) (Khandwa) Chavda, Shri Harisinh (Banaskantha) Thangkabalu. Shri K. V. (Dharmapvtn) Chikhalia, Shrimati Bhavna (Junagarh)

Tharadevi Siddarth. Shrimati D. K. Chhotey Lai. Shri (Mohanlalganj) (Chikmagalur) Thomas. Prof. K. V. (Ernakulam) Chikhlia, Km. Dipika (Baroda) Thorat, Shri Sandipan Bhagwan (Pan- Choudhary, Shri Ram Tahal (Ranchi) dharpur) Ghowdhary, Shri Pankaj (Maharajganj) Thungon Shri P. K. (Arunachal West) Das, Shri Dwarka Nath (Karim Ganj) Tindivanam, Shri K. Ramamurthee (Tindivanam) Deshmukh, Shri Chandubhai (Bhartich) Hope. Shri Ankushrao Raosaheb (Jalna) DhumaL Prof. Pre-m (Hamirpur) Topno, Kumari Frida (Sundargarh) Dikshit, Shri Shreesh Chandra (Vara­ nasi) Tytler, Shri Jagdish (Delhi Sadar) Drona, Shri Jagat Vir Singh (Kanpur) Umbrey, Shri Laeta (Arunachal East) Fundkar, Shri Pandurang Pundlik Upadhyay, Shri Swarup (Tejpur) (Akola)

Urs, Smt. Chandra Prabha (Mysore) Gangwar, Dr. P. R. (Pillibhit) 309 Motion of Confidence ASADHA 24, 1913 (SAKA) Motion of Confidence 310

Gangwar, Shri Santosh Kumar (Bareilly) Mallikarjunaiah, Shri S. (Tumkur) Gautam, Shri Sheela (Aligarh) Maurya, Shri Anand Ratna (Chandauli) Gohil, Dr. Mahavirsinh Harisinhji Mishra, Shri Ram Nagina (Padrauna) (Bhavnagar) Misra, Shri Janardan (Sitapur) Gowde, Shri K. Venkatgiri (Bangalore Misra, Shri Shyam Bihari (Bilhaur) South) M unda, Shri Kariya (Khunti) Jai Prakash, Shri (Hardoi) Naik, Shri Ram (Bombay-North) Jaswant Singh, Shri (Chittorgarh) Oraon, Shri Lalit (Lohardaga) Jatiya, Shri Satyanarayan (Ujjain) Pandeya, Dr. Laxmi Narayan (Mand- Jeswani, Dr. K. D. (Kheda) saur) Joshi, Shri Anna (Pune) Passi, Shri Balraj (Naini-Tal) Joshi, Shri Dau Dayal (Kota) Patel, Dr. Amrit Lai Kalidas (Mehsana) Kalka Das, Shri (Karolbagh) Patel, Shri Haribhai (Porbander) Kamal. Shri Shy am Lai (Basti) Patel. Shri Somabhai, (Surendranagar) Kanaujia, Dr. G. L. (I.akhimpur Pathak, Shri Harin (Ahmedabad) Kheri) Pathak, Shri Surendra Pal (Shahabad) Kanodia. Shri Mahesh Kumar (Patan) Patidar. Shri Rameshwar (Khargone) Kapse. Shri Ram (Thane) Prem. Shri B. L. Sharma (East-Delhi) Kashwan. Shri Ram Singh (Chum) Premi. Shri Mangal Ram (Bijnor) Katheria, Shri Prabhu Dayal .'Fiioza- Purkayasth, Shri Kabindra (Silchar) bad) Raje, Shrimati Vasundhara (Jhalawar) Khandelwal. Shri Tara Chand (Chandni Chowk) Rajnarain, Shri (Basgaon) Khanduri, Maj. Gen. (Retd.) Bhuwan Ramdow Ram, Shri (Palamau) Chandra (Garhwal) Rawal. Dr. Lai Bahadur (Hathras) Khanoria, Shri D. D. (Kangra) Rawat, Shri Bhagwan Shankar (Agra) Khurana, Shri Madan Lai (South Delhi) Rawal, Prof. Rasa Singh (Ajmer) Koli. Shri Ganga Ram (Bayana) Rongpi, Dr. Jayanta (Autonomous Dis­ Kordia. Shri C-handresh Patel (Jam­ trict) nagar) Sakshiji, Shri Swam>' (Mathura) Kori, Shri Gaya Prasad (Jalaun) Sanghani, Shri Dileep Shai (Amreli) Krishendra Kaur (Deepa) Shrimati Saraswati, Shri Yoga Nand (Bhind) (Bharatpur) Sarode, Dr. Gunvant Rambahau (Jal- Kumar, Shri V. Dhananjaya (Manga­ gaon) lore) Shah, Shri Manabendra (Tehri-Garh- Kusmaria, Shri Ramkrishna (Damoh) wal) Lodha, Shri Guman Mai (Pali) Sharma. Shri Jeewan (Almora) Mahajan, Shrimati Sumitra (Indore) Sharma, Shri Rajendra Kumar (Ram- Mahendra Kumari, Smt. (Alwar) pur) 3l 1 Motion of Confidence JULY 15, 1991 Motion of Confidence 312

Sharma, Shri V. N. (Hamirpur) MR. SPEAKER: May I request the Shastri, Shri Vishwanath (Ghazipur) Members to please be seated in their seats to facilitate the collection of slips ? Shukla, Shri Ashte Bhuja Prasad (Khafilabad) (Interruptions) Singh, Shri Brijbhushan Sharan (Gonda) MR. SPEAKER : Hon. Members, please Singh, Shri Devi Bux (Unnao) take your seats, please take your seats. Singh, Shri Mahadeepak (E tali') (Interruptions)

Singh, Shri Raj veer (Aonla) MR. SPEAKER: May I request the Members to take their seats ? Please take Singh, Shri Ram (Haridwar) your seats.

Singh, Shri Ram Pal (Domariaganj) MR. SPEAKER : Subject to correction*, the result of the Division is : Singh. Shri Satya Deo (Balrampur) Ayes : 241 Swami. Shri Chinmayanand (Badaun) Noes: 111 Swami. Sureshanand (Jalesar) The motion Mas adopted. Tandel. Shri D. J. (Daman Si Diu) SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : What is the number of abstentions ? Thakore, Shri Gabhaji Mangaji (Kapad- wanj) MR. SPEAKER: There are 112 absten­ tions. Tomar. Shri Ramesh Chand (Hapur) The House stands adjourned to meet on Tripathi, Shri Lakshmi Narain Mani 16th July, 1991 at 11.00 hours. (Kaiserganj) 19.07 hrs.

Tripathi. Shri Prakash Narain (Banda) The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Trivedi. Shri Arvind (Sabarkantha) Eleven of the Clock on Tuesday, July 16, 1991 /Asadha 25, 1913 (Saka). Uma Bharati. Kumar (Khajuraho) As Corrected Vaghela, Shri Shankar ji Laxamanji (Godlira) "One slip for Ayes has allegedly been filled by Shri Akber B. Pasta, IC No. Varma, Shri Ratilal (Dhanduka) 396 an elected member from Vellore Vekaria, Shri S. N. (Rajkot) Constituency of Tamil Nadu. He has not so far taken oath and therefore he Verma. Shrimati Rita (Dhanbad) is not entitled to take part in the pro­ Virendra Singh, Shri (Mirzapur) ceedings of the House. 19.00 hrs. On rechecking of the slips in the Branch, it has been found that slips for ( Interruptions) Noes are actually 109.

MGIPF—545 LSS/91—15-1 -92—700.