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1 NATIVE AMERICAN GRAVES PROTECTION AND REPATRIATION REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING NOVEMBER 1, 2 & 3, 1996 MYRTLE BEACH, SC VOLUME 2 SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 2, 1996 (Note: Software updated in October 2010. While content remains unchanged, formatting (to include transcript appearance and page numbers) may differ from original.) Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 2 Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 3 NATIVE AMERICAN GRAVES PROTECTION AND REPATRIATION REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING 8:30 a.m. Saturday, November 2, 1996 Lopez Room Sands Ocean Club Myrtle Beach, SC COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT: Ms. Tessie Naranjo, Chair Ms. Rachel Craig Mr. Jonathan Haas Mr. Lawrence Hart Mr. Daniel L. Monroe Mr. Martin Sullivan Mr. Phillip L. Walker Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 4 TABLE OF CONTENTS REVIEW AGENDA - TESSIE NARANJO ........................ 6 DISPUTE OVER AN ONEIDA WAMPUM BELT .................... 7 MARTIN SULLIVAN ..................................... 7 ONEIDA NATION OF WISCONSIN ........................... 9 DEBORAH DOXTATOR .................................. 9 ANOKI SCHUYLER ................................... 10 LEANDER DANFORTH ................................. 10 BRUCE ELIJAH ..................................... 10 DEBORAH DOXTATOR ................................. 15 BRUCE ELIJAH ..................................... 18 CAROL CORNELIUS .................................. 26 MICHAEL LOKENSGARD ............................... 39 DEBORAH DOXTATOR ................................. 42 BRUCE ELIJAH ..................................... 42 FIELD MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY ..................... 48 RICHARD KOONTZ ................................... 48 BREAK ................................................ 61 DISPUTE OVER AN ONEIDA WAMPUM BELT - CONTINUED ....... 61 ONEIDA NATION OF NEW YORK ........................... 61 MICHAEL SMITH .................................... 61 KELLER GEORGE .................................... 73 BRIAN PATTERSON .................................. 79 LEANDER DANFORTH ................................. 82 MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ............................ 82 LUNCH ............................................... 128 SPECIAL INVITATION TO THE COMMITTEE FROM THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION FOR STATE AND LOCAL HISTORY ............. 129 DEANNA J. KERRIGAN, PROGRAM OFFICER ................ 129 IMPLEMENTATION OF THE STATUTE IN THE SOUTHEAST PRESENTATIONS ....................................... 134 BILL DAY .......................................... 134 ROLAND PONCHO ..................................... 151 MICHAEL HANEY ..................................... 153 BREAK ............................................... 183 IMPLEMENTATION OF THE STATUTE IN THE SOUTHEAST PRESENTATIONS - CONTINUED ........................... 183 JOYCE BEAR ........................................ 183 BOBBY C. BILLIE ................................... 190 Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 5 SHANNON LARSEN .................................... 192 BOBBY C. BILLIE ................................... 197 NADINE HORNE ...................................... 206 JONATHAN LEADER ................................... 221 PUBLIC COMMENT ...................................... 232 RICHARD EDWARDS ................................... 232 SHANNON LARSEN .................................... 236 DAVID JUMPER ...................................... 238 BILL DAY .......................................... 242 SHANNON LARSEN .................................... 242 BOBBY C. BILLIE ................................... 244 NADEMA AGARD ...................................... 247 RICHARD EDWARDS ................................... 255 NADEMA AGARD ...................................... 257 MEETING RECESS ...................................... 267 Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 6 1 REVIEW AGENDA - TESSIE NARANJO 2 TESSIE NARANJO: This morning's agenda is the 3 Oneida dispute over the wampum belt. What I'd like 4 to do is ask Jonathan Haas to excuse yourself from 5 the panel. 6 JONATHAN HAAS: But I'm here. 7 TESSIE NARANJO: But you're here. I'd also 8 like to mention that the order that you see on the 9 agenda is the order that the--that the testimony 10 will--will take place: first of all is the Oneida 11 Nation of Wisconsin, second is the Field Museum of 12 Natural History, third the Oneida Nation of New 13 York, and then after that discussion by members of 14 the Review Committee. 15 What I'd also like to say next is that I have 16 asked Marty Sullivan, one of the Repatriation Review 17 Committee members--or the NAGPRA Review Committee 18 members to be in charge of this morning's session. 19 So I will now turn over the--this portion of--of the 20 dispute to Marty Sullivan. 21 MARTIN SULLIVAN: Frank. 22 FRANK MCMANAMON: Thank you. Thank you, Martin 23 and Madam Chair. If I could just--just two 24 administrative issues for the--the Committee and the 25 members of the public who are here. Once again, as Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 7 1 we've been reminding people or asking people 2 throughout the meeting for--for members of the 3 public who are here if you wouldn't mind signing in. 4 If you didn't sign in, if sometime during the--the 5 morning or the afternoon you could sign in at the 6 back table so we have a record of who attended the 7 meetings. 8 And again to remind the members of the public 9 that this is a--an open public meeting of the Review 10 Committee set up by the Secretary of the Interior to 11 help with the implementation of--of NAGPRA, and the 12 Committee is conducting its business in public. But 13 by and large, the--the dialogue and the exchange or 14 communication occurs between the Committee and 15 between the Committee and the people who will be 16 making presentations today. Thank you. 17 DISPUTE OVER AN ONEIDA WAMPUM BELT 18 MARTIN SULLIVAN 19 MARTIN SULLIVAN: Thank you, Frank. I think 20 everyone is aware that the issue for presentation to 21 the Committee this morning is one which involves a 22 number of parties and goes back a number of years. 23 And it has to do with the current custody and a 24 claim initially made by the Oneida Nation of New 25 York and then contested by the Oneida Tribe of Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 8 1 Wisconsin regarding a wampum belt which is currently 2 held at the Field Museum in Chicago. 3 Our intention this morning is for the members 4 of the Committee to have the benefit of 5 presentations by each of the parties to this 6 dispute. And as Tessie Naranjo has said, there is 7 no inherent logic or bias or prejudice intended in 8 the sequence of the presentations. That is the way 9 in which the agenda went out and was constructed. 10 It will give us an opportunity to hear from all 11 parties. 12 It's our preference as a Committee to ask each 13 of the parties to make a presentation in sequence 14 before we ask individual questions of the claimants 15 or the parties. And there--a time will come, 16 therefore, toward the end of the morning when it is 17 very likely that members of the Committee will have 18 questions for all of the parties, so that we may 19 have something like a dialogue. But it is equally 20 clear that the matter under consideration is one 21 that's very important to all parties, and it has 22 certainly necessitated on your part a tremendous 23 effort of research and concern as well as the 24 expense and difficulty of getting here to this 25 meeting, which the members of the Committee fully Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 9 1 understand and appreciate. It's a serious matter. 2 We will give it our very serious attention and hope 3 that the conclusions that we might reach, the 4 findings that we might share will be of value to all 5 of the parties. We do this in the spirit of trying 6 to bring us all together to be of one mind, if that 7 is possible. 8 The sequence then will be to begin with the 9 Oneida Nation of Wisconsin. And the agenda allots 10 approximately one hour for presentation. And so the 11 Oneida Tribe of Wisconsin, if you--whoever will be 12 initiating that presentation, if you'll come forward 13 and identify yourself. 14 ONEIDA NATION OF WISCONSIN 15 DEBORAH DOXTATOR 16 DEBORAH DOXTATOR: Good morning, Committee 17 members. My name is Deborah Doxtator. I'm the 18 Chairwoman for the Oneida Tribe of Indians of 19 Wisconsin. And I'd like to extend our greetings to 20 you this morning. I would like to start by 21 introducing an elder from our community this 22 morning, Anoki Schuyler who has escorted me to this 23 meeting to serve as an interpreter of our language. 24 And he is going to do some introductions for our 25 party and then we will proceed into our Lesa K. Hagel Consulting Rapid City, South Dakota (605) 342-3298 10 1 presentation. Anoki. 2 ANOKI SCHUYLER 3 ANOKI SCHUYLER: (Native American language.) 4 Thank you. 5 LEANDER DANFORTH 6 LEANDER DANFORTH: (Native American language.) 7 BRUCE ELIJAH 8 BRUCE ELIJAH: Good morning. We bring--we 9 bring greetings to you from my peoples, the Clan 10 Mothers of my Nations. We are matriarchal society. 11 We bring greetings in a sense that we say that we 12 still follow those traditions, that culture that was 13 given to us at the beginning of time. There is 14 distinct areas and places where we still call those 15 rivers by the language that is given to us by the 16 Creator. We can still sing and honor