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Mon 4 Dec 2000 / Lun 4 Déc 2000 No. 112B No 112B ISSN 1180-2987 Legislative Assembly Assemblée législative of Ontario de l’Ontario First Session, 37th Parliament Première session, 37e législature Official Report Journal of Debates des débats (Hansard) (Hansard) Monday 4 December 2000 Lundi 4 décembre 2000 Speaker Président Honourable Gary Carr L’honorable Gary Carr Clerk Greffier Claude L. DesRosiers Claude L. DesRosiers Hansard on the Internet Le Journal des débats sur Internet Hansard and other documents of the Legislative Assembly L’adresse pour faire paraître sur votre ordinateur personnel can be on your personal computer within hours after each le Journal et d’autres documents de l’Assemblée législative sitting. 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Phone 416-326-5310, 326-5311 or toll-free téléphone : 416-326-5310, 326-5311, ou sans frais : 1-800-668-9938. 1-800-668-9938. Hansard Reporting and Interpretation Services Service du Journal des débats et d’interprétation 3330 Whitney Block, 99 Wellesley St W 3330 Édifice Whitney ; 99, rue Wellesley ouest Toronto ON M7A 1A2 Toronto ON M7A 1A2 Telephone 416-325-7400; fax 416-325-7430 Téléphone, 416-325-7400 ; télécopieur, 416-325-7430 Published by the Legislative Assembly of Ontario Publié par l’Assemblée législative de l’Ontario 6067 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY ASSEMBLÉE LÉGISLATIVE OF ONTARIO DE L’ONTARIO Monday 4 December 2000 Lundi 4 décembre 2000 The House met at 1845. Hon Mr Stockwell: It’s too bad, I guess, sometimes there are mistakes made in this Legislature that hinge on a certain goodwill and benefit from all sides— ORDERS OF THE DAY Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: I seek unanimous consent for an order from this assembly that The Acting Speaker (Mr Bert Johnson): The Chair the Hansard of this afternoon’s debate around Bill 144 recognizes the minister from Oak Ridges. not be published in either written or electronic form until Hon Frank Klees (Minister without Portfolio): On a such time as the police have terminated their investiga- point of order, Mr Speaker: I’m seeking unanimous tion of the matter. consent to move a motion without notice regarding this The Acting Speaker: I’m advised that the consent has afternoon’s debate, and that the motion be debated until to be for a motion, and if there is consent, then you can 7:15 this evening, the time being divided equally among give me the motion. the three parties, and that at the end of that time the Mr Kormos: I would like to thank you, Speaker. question on the motion be put without further debate or Hon Frank Klees (Minister without Portfolio): On a amendment, with no deferral of any division on the point of order, Mr Speaker: I ask for a five-minute recess. motion being permitted. The Acting Speaker: Is there consent for a five- The Acting Speaker: Is it agreed? It is not agreed. minute recess? It is agreed. The House recessed from 1849 to 1854. EMPLOYMENT STANDARDS ACT, 2000 Hon Mr Klees: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: I would ask for a further five-minute recess. LOI DE 2000 The Acting Speaker: Do we have unanimous consent SUR LES NORMES D’EMPLOI for a further five-minute recess? It is agreed. Mr Stockwell moved second reading of the following The House recessed from 1855 to 1900. bill: Hon Mr Klees: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: Bill 147, An Act to revise the law related to employ- With respect, I would request a further 10-minute recess. ment standards / Projet de loi 147, Loi portant révision du The Acting Speaker: Is it agreed? It is agreed. droit relatif aux normes d’emploi. The House recessed from 1901 to 1911. The Acting Speaker (Mr Bert Johnson): The Chair Hon Mr Klees: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: The recognizes the Minister of Labour. Liberal caucus has asked for a further 20-minute recess, Hon Chris Stockwell (Minister of Labour): It seems and I think in the interest of the evening’s discussion we appropriate, probably, to make at least an opening should give them that additional 20 minutes. I ask for comment with respect to the situation we find ourselves unanimous consent. in. It would appear that a good number of the members of The Acting Speaker: Mr Klees has moved unani- the House would not be prepared to be debating Bill 147 mous consent for a further 20-minute recess. Agreed? It right now. They would prefer to see the motion— is agreed. The Acting Speaker: The Chair recognizes the The House recessed from 1912 to 1938. member from Niagara Centre on a point of order. The Acting Speaker: The Chair recognizes the Mr Peter Kormos (Niagara Centre): Point made, member from Niagara Centre on a point of order. which is why I’m calling for a quorum count, please. Mr Kormos: I seek unanimous consent to move that The Acting Speaker: Could you check and see if all records of remarks by the members during the debate there is a quorum present. of the motion regarding Bill 144 on Monday, December Clerk Assistant (Ms Deborah Deller): A quorum is 4, 2000 not be published electronically or in print, or in not present. any other public forum until such time as the police have The Acting Speaker: Call in the members. This will completed any investigation of remarks during that be up to a five-minute bell. debate, and further, that Hansard maintain and preserve The Acting Speaker ordered the bells rung. all records in evidence of that debate, and that in any The Acting Speaker: The Chair recognizes the Min- event, publication of the debate by Hansard shall not be ister of Labour. done until such time as the assembly is sitting and has sat 6068 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF ONTARIO 4 DECEMBER 2000 for four calendar days and that the question on this sat for four calendar days and that the question be put at motion be put no later than 9:20 pm this evening. 9:20 pm tonight and that the time be split evenly between The Acting Speaker: Is it agreed? the three parties. Interjection. Is it agreed? I’m sorry. For debate, the Chair recog- The Acting Speaker: I’m sorry. I will ask that again. nizes the member for Niagara Centre. If you’ll just hold that, I want to hear this point of order Hon Frank Klees (Minister without Portfolio): On a before I accept that. point of order, Mr Speaker: I seek unanimous consent for Mr Dwight Duncan (Windsor-St Clair): On a point the member from Northumberland to be given an of order, Mr Speaker: I’m not trying to be antagonistic opportunity to make a statement, as part of his time in the about this. I’m just trying to determine, is this motion debate, prior to the leadoff. debatable tonight? The Acting Speaker: Is there consent? It is not Interjection: Until 9:30. agreed. The Chair recognizes— Hon Mr Stockwell: Until 9:30? Is my understanding Interjections. correct that this will be debatable? The Acting Speaker: Order. For debate, the Chair The Acting Speaker: It is until 9:20. recognizes the member for Niagara Centre. Mr David Christopherson (Hamilton West): On a Interjections. further point, Mr Speaker: Again, further in the interest The Acting Speaker: Order. I’m a very patient of the assembly, we would seek that that debate, should it person. If I haven’t demonstrated that, I’m sorry, but it’s ensue, would be time split equally between the three wearing just a wee bit thin. If you mistake that as being caucuses. other than a very serious warning, you’re making a mis- The Acting Speaker: We will assume that that is part take. The Chair recognizes the member for Niagara of the question that I am now going to put to the Centre. assembly. Is it agreed? It is agreed. Mr Kormos: This is a very serious matter, and it’s not The Chair recognizes the Minister of Labour. one that should be undertaken lightly by way of debate at Hon Mr Stockwell: I move adjournment of the debate all. As the Speaker knows, this afternoon the members of on G-147. this assembly were debating the time allocation motion The Acting Speaker: Mr Stockwell moves adjourn- that would, as it did, once passed, end debate on Bill 144, ment of debate on Bill 147. Is it the pleasure of the House ironically one of this government’s so-called law-and- that the motion carry? It is carried. order bills where they proclaim their enthusiastic support for the application of the rule of law. I spoke during that debate, as did other members from all three caucuses, but DISCLOSURE OF CONFIDENTIAL when I heard the comments of the member from North- INFORMATION umberland—and I was listening to them—I was surprised The Acting Speaker (Mr Bert Johnson): The and indeed shocked.
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