Sixth Series, VoL V—-No. 36 Friday, July 22, 1977 Asadha 31,1899 (Saka)
L O K S A B H A
DEBATES
(Second SesBion)
(Vof. V contains Nos, 3J— 40)
LOKSABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI
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(Sixth Series, Volume V, Second Session, 1977)
No. 36, Friday, July 22, i9jjlAsadha 31, 1899 {Saka) Columns Oral Answers To Questions :
♦Starred Questions Nos. 585 to 588 and 590. . . 1— 28
Re : Short Notice Question...... 2^—29
Short Notice Question No. 23...... 29— 44
"Written Answers to Questions:
Starred Questions Nos. 589 and 591 to 604. . . . 45— 61
Unstarred Questions Nos. 4402 to 4502 and 4504 to 4581. . 61— 237
Papers laid on the Table ...... 237— 38
Message from Rajya S a b h a ...... 239
Assent to B i l l s ...... 239 Calling Attention to Matter o f Urgent Public Importance
Reported disappearance o f groundnut oil from rr|pr1rpt anH ahtyrmgl rise in its price. . ' •PAKL.AWLNT LIBRARY 239— 49 Business o f the House . . V o\...... 249— 52 Business Advisory Committee— P a 'e . - ......
Third Report . . 252— 53 254 Inland Steam-vessels (Amendment) Bill— Introduced 253 Demands for Grants (Nagaland), 254—89
Shri T.A. Pai . 259— 65
Shrimati Rano M. Shaiza . 265—69
Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu . 269— 76
Shri M.N. Govindan Nair 276— 78
Shri Annasaheb P. Shinde. . 278— 85
Shri PuYna Sinha . . 285— 86
• The sign + marked above the name o f a Member indicates that the ques tion was actually asked on the floor o f the House by that Member, (ii) C olumns Shri Ugrasen 286—89
Statement re\ payment o f Second Instalment o f Additional Dearness Allowance deposits —
Shri H.M. P a t e l...... 290—91
Committee on Private Members’ Bill s and Resolutions—
Third Report . . . . . 292—93
Resolution re: Subversion o f Democratic Norms by the former. Prime Minister ...... 293—346
Shri K. Lakkappa . . 295—300
Shri Mukhtiar Singh Malik . . . . 302— 10
Shrimati Chandravati . . . . 311— 14
Shri C. K. Chandrappan 314— 18
Shri Ugrasen . . 318—22
Shri Hukmdeo Narain Yadav . . . 322—25
Shri Yuvraj . . . 3 2 5 -2 8
Shri S. Kundu . - . . 329—34
Shri Charan Singh...... 336— 37
Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath . . . 343—44
Resolution re: Participation o f Youngmen in Nation-building —
Shri P. K. Deo ...... 346 LOK SABHA DEBATES
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LOK s ABHA suffer and resulted in a loss to the nation;
Friday, July 22, mT/Asadha 31. (d) the measures being taken by 1899 (Saka) Government to stop this; and (e) what is the position in th(-. The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the month of June, 1977 and to what ex Clock tent it has been improved?
[M r . S p e a k e r in the Chair]
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (^ ) ?t I SHRI A. C, GEORGE: We welcome you to the first Question Hour. It (?sr) ?m: (tt). \ looks such a great co-incidence that 1 9 7 G 5T 1 9 7 7 ^ ^ yesterday Shri Lakkappa .started with the speech and to-day he starts with ^P'R' wr irt, 197 7 the first question. 5ri^5TT, ^ «rr I ■tTt ir firw irr MR. SPEAKER: He lias promised frsTT 6 0.26 STfrT- to co-operate with me. STT I if 2 9 ijsp ^ ^ 7 fF ff SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: I welcomc i-; 3 'TT p 22 r/m % you. I p a y my compliments to you. ^RtT H 55rm^ sr^crnr sfRi tr ^|T "585. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA; Will fen I fw: ^ the Mini.ster of TOURISM AND fjTZT(TJT CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state; (a) whether the attention of Gov- ^27TF5ff Ginment has been drawn to the press IT ^ I report appearing in the ‘ Statesman" dated the 25th June, 1977 regarding long wait at airports by the passen (tt) sTcfriiTT % irrgt spr gers; scrrf^JT ?mt ?TT«? (b) if M, whether the long waits fzw .ii ^ Tf iSf: qfwfn^'T during the month of May, 1977 have been recorded as one of the highest in the history of the Civil Aviation Department; (?) irf, 1977 ^ ?T^ TT ^?T, (c) whetlier these long waits at the 6 airports have made the people to 1977 ir inqr ?nnT frR-f^rc'n^ 1703 LS.— I 3 Oral Answers JULY 22, 1977 Oral Answers 4 ?>ft I, %T 5(W|^ t I ir wkrr «rr i ^ qrq- ir xni?rT SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: This is I t I the third starred question on Air ?TT f ’5 JaTrfcpff n fe r r ? Lines during this Session put to the Ministry of Tourism and Civil Avia tion. On the previous occasion the hon. Minister had stated that there t , i i I I was no indiscipiine and everything ^ I, was all right but the performance t=mii r ^ j under the previous Government was f'T I very bad. I hope he would not take Ti fsr ^Tf ^ ir that position now. He had conceded snd I would also... ^rf'o^nir v 3 ^ aK ^x i r m ^ isfTrai 5r MR. SPEAKER: Shall we come to the question? t I # ii 'ffT Hprr ^fTTT fj TJflT SHRI K. LAKKAPA; I would like to give the background of it. Thousands of people travel by Air. Air journey is a necessity. There is 1976 17 ^ a big caption in The Stateman saying ‘Long wait at the airports’. It says: ^ irf ii' 36 TOWtST l i I ‘Recently a Delhi-bound airbus with about 140 passengers on board return ed from the takeoff point in the ’ f JRFni Ji- fq ^ 19 flaV evening. It was announced that a f t ^ fsp 42 Boeing would be commissioned.’ MR. SPEAKER; I am quite .cure firsitlJT, it fire% the Minister has read it. ?TFr 29 SHRI K. LAKKAPPA; This delay ^ ^ Ti 37 ^ || \ has been the highest in the history rfr ilk ’ T % ^rn?®T ^ of the Indian Airlines after the Janata party came to power. Earlier, p3ra% ^ I there was the previous Government. Now it seems that there is absolutely no control over the situation. The % JT? main or important point is this. I ■want to know whether it is a fact l^T^^r I ffT fron t stt that lack of communication from the fap ?rwiT % side of the engineering staff which ftifrm % spm if ■works there to the administrative staff is responsible for causing not only ^ I, m t «n ftIdH < ii‘ 5 8 .5 4 y SgftrTO ^ ii- ii 5 8 . 92 H W T xj- 5 2 .7 3 fn vs'tTI it' 5 8 .4 7 ^rnr wr?: t| «r, ^ ^ wtit 1977 ii' 54.50, «Pr, t?T% ii' TT?, 197 7 vO ^ t, i I ^ qrWRi^ 60.26 ITW I I ^ ^ I f f : ^ SHRI A. C. GEORGE: Sir, in reply to the question, the hon. Minis = fr :^ mi. %, ter had put in the excuse, as an ex i|- ^etr: ^ % \ planation, of monsoon or heavy rain fall. I do concede that in our country rain is good for every department SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Again, my but not for Civil Aviation. The hon. friend, the Minister, could not Indian Airlines schedule of flights are meet the situation. Here he only aflectcd because of that. He has put tried to explain the situation rather forward this reason as an excuse. than conceding the position that there Cochin is also normally affected by was a lot of hardship or inordinate the rains. This is simply because delay in flights which was due to the smaller aircraft, Avro, are land incompelent engineers being .’ratted. ing there. There the traffic is so Sometimes they are not in a position much where at least 100 people are to find out if there is any crash of everyday travelling from Cochin to the plane or engine trouble etc. It Bombay. There was a proposal that has been reported that due to this the runway was going to be extend reason, there had been long wait.^ at ed. In fact, the work also had started the airports and loss to the nation. He and Rs. 90 lakhs had been spent on has not answered part (c) of my it. The work is proceeding at a question. Last time, there was a loss slow pace and I do not think it will of Rs. 18,000 for making arrangements come up in the Fifth Plan. My for hotel accommodation to 140 question is: whether the Minister passengers or so. He has not even will kindly assure the House that given the loss sustained. Even the the work will be expedited and airworthiness of the plane is not will be completed with in six months reported. Therefore, complete indis so that Boeing 707 can land there. cipline among the staff has crept in Now, the lAC is operating even in and there is a sort of discontent ternational flights to Kathmandu, to among the staff in the management. Mali to Colombo etc. There are nearly 300 to 400 passengers every Therefore, I put it to you whether day wanting to fly from Cochin to the Ministry is going to take stock Trivandrum and to Bombay. They of the entire situation and set right are bringing in a vast amount of the matters in the interest of the foreign exchange for our country. travelling public and also secure in Will the Minister kindly see that just time the airworthiness of the aircraft. as Mali, Colombo and Kathmandu Indian Airlines, as far as I am aware, are served by lAC, there should be has got monopoly of flights. When Boeing 737 service scheduled between my hon. friend Dr. Karan Singh was the Gulf countries and Cochin or there, he was handling it so efficiently Trivandrum directly? 7 Oral Answers JULY 22, 1977 Oral Answers 8 t ^IT ^rl'i 1 ^ gsnr ^>n ^ f t ^Ft ^'r ?rmRT;T ^ f fapil^ ^rift ^ ^ w;-Oi if 'TTKTmrT gsnr ^r jfrfV ^|7Tr 1 I ^ f^qr ?Th: 3fr s p ?ir I , it ^i?fr DR. KARAN SINGH: Sir, thk ^ f^oT ^rrer i question relates to international air ports. Time magazine dated 18th July has written an article under the «ft i r f ^ r wm frT^r^ : ^ ^ JTrer’"' heading: Time's guide to airports: ®rr^^«TJTffr WJraT w r>* r ‘ - Jet log on the ground where 20 difTc- ?rk KTfTrf^’-'f 5F> f t n f ?rf^iJT rent airports of the world have been <• described. There is a three star ^ ?r'r^ :3Tfd^ I \ if 80,85 rating for super airport and half a ?T>r 90 6 0 .2 6 ?[> 1977 if Sir, I had the privilege of piloting 5 7 .8 2 TTffJ '4T I TTPT’^;^ the International Airports Authority % ■4T, ?^Tft ^^f^TSFST ^T m Bill through Parliament. It was set-up with great hopes. It seems W:fT «n I -4>:fJTf:?r SFIT^ % ^S'FT it all our plans and hopes that we had ifr I, -J^fftffT^f^T improved the international airports had gone in smoke. I would like to ’laTT T^T I know w'hat does the Minister intend to do to see that our reputation in the international air wbrld does not The year-wise impr vemcnt break-up as go down? under : 1973-74 — 8 .66% sft 5^efhm i:?r 1974-75 — 5-20% 1975-76 — 4-59‘;.. ^ I I ^ r ft 1976-77 — 4 - 4 2 “c, ^ r 5T9T gSTR 5fT< I upt June, 1977 — 4.28";, w :x ^ 5nirfR irr 'mr ?tt 5??^ ^'r iff'T fjrP^^cT ^T % »t-=5 ct ■^tirr ’^rf^ir qr'^Tqf?T it ^ri?t ^ETTT ^iVr t I t Sir, lot of improvements have been ^TfiT f^Tf^ ^ ^ f I ;; made at the international airports. Many things have been done like i fjp ^€'4 ?fh: ^Ern: 1 ^ ;cargo buildings, extension of run ^ ^ ^iTFR srrf t ) ^ ^ ways, etc. 9 Oral Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 10 MR. SPEAKER: So, it is in the SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHINDE: process of improvement. Sir, I seek your protection. The hon. Minister has not answered part (c) of SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK: my question. The question is: whether Yes, Sir. the programme of piped water supply schemes in the State has some to a standstill because of non-availability Financial Aiisistance by L.I.C. to of funds from the L.I.C.? State Government of Maharasr.ira SHRI H. M. PATEL: I will answer *,586. SHRI ANNASAHEB GOT- it now. The L.I.C. is not responsible KHINDE: Will the Minister of FIN for the total financing of any scheme. ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK The scheme may come to a standstill ING be pleased to state: because funds from the State or from other sources may not have come. So (a) whether the State Government far as L.I.C. is concerned, whatever of Maharashtra has approached the was undertaken by it, it has given. Life In.surar.ce Corporation of India for financial assistance for various piped water supply schemes; SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHINDE; My question has not yet been answer (b> if so, the broad particular? ed. It seems to me that there are some thereof; contradictions in the written answer. (c) whether the programme of It is staled that with regard to rural piped water guppl.v schemes in the water supply, schemes, no proposal has State has come to a standstill because been received by the LIC so far. of non-availability of funds from the Subsequently, it is also stated that a L.I.C.: and reference has been received from the State Government of Maharashtra for (d) the steps being taken by Gov larger allocation of funds for urban ernment to improve the situation and and rural water supply and sewerage make available the required funds? schemes. The matter is under con sideration. My point is: what are the THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND particulars mentioned in the reference REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI made by the State Government for H. M. PATEL): (a) lo (d). The Gov larger allocations? Your writtf>n ernment of Maharashtra has approach reply says that no proposal has been ed the L ie in April, 1977 for a loan receive^ so far. What is the present of Rs. 450.69 lakhs for financing 30 position? I think there are some con urban water supply and sewerage tradictions in your written reply. schemes during the current year. A loan of Rs. 449 lakhs has been sanction SHRI H. M. PATEL: There is no ed by the LlC to the Maharashtra contradiction in whatever I have Water Supply and Sewerage Board stated. I have stated that the refe- for financing these schemes and thi'j I'ence was for higher allotment and loan will be disbursed on finalisation that matter is under consideration. of certain formalities. As regards There is no contradiction. rural water supply schemes, no pro posal has been received by the LIC so SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHINDE: far. Whether any proposal has been receiv ed so far? A reference has been received from the State Government of Maharashtra SHRI H. M. PATEL: There is no for larger allocation of funds for proposal for a particular scheme. There urban and rural water supply and is a reference for a general increase sewerage schemes. The matter is in allocation of funds. The two are under consideration. quite different. II Oral Answers JULY 22, 1977 Oral Answers IZ SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHINDE: pipel water supply in the rural area? There are as many as 4000 problem in Maharashtra would be sanctioned villages where we find that the drink in sufficient number by the LIC and. ing water supply scheme is yet to be government? implemented. There is an increasing demand from the rural population for SHRI H. M. PATEL: I can give no the drinking water supply. But such assurance. Government can give because of non-availability of funds, this assurance that whatever resources it has become impossible for the State It can place at the disposal of the Government to carry on these activi Maharashtra government out of the ties. The L ie has sanctioned b huge total quantum set aside for such social amount for construction of 5-Star schemes will be made available. A hotels. While the LIC could sanction substantial amount has been made a huge amount for the construction available. of 5-Star hotels, no amount has been sanctioned for the water supply SHRI SONU SINGH PATIL: The scheme in the rural areas. What is hon. Minister says that out of a total the urgency of having 5-Star hotels demand of Rs. 41 crores, a sum of R's. 8 in the urban areas w hen ihe mass ;il crores had been sanctioned. This the rural areas are in dire need of amount appears to be inadequate in drinking water? What is the number view of the increasing demand for of schemes sent by the state govern water supply. He was also pleased ment of Maharashtra to the LIC and to state that loan was sanctioned by what is the number of schemes the LIC and certain formalities are to sanctioned? be gone through. What are the for malities which hold up the progress of SHRI H. M. PATEL; LIC is not the scheme and the disbursement of concerned with the schemes; that is the amount? the business of the state government. The question with which LIC is really SHRI H. M. PATEL; There has concerned is money for certain pur been no delay and nothing has been poses like water supply. There will held up because of formalities or be allotment for schemes for the entire anything of the kind. I merely said country. The Maharashtra govern that out of Rs. 4.5 crores asked for ment has received satisfactory amount by the Maharashtra government, a sum for this year; for instance out of an of Rs. 4.49 crores had been sanctioned. allotment of Rs. 41 crores, the Maha Schemes that are approved by the rashtra government will get Rs. 8 Maharashtra government and that crores. Therefore you will see that the come along will be financed and are allotment that Maharashtra gets is being financed. substantial. LIC does not undertake to see that all the schemes that are SHRI S. R. DAMANI: Is it not a approved by the Maharashtra govern fact the LIC and other financing ment will be financed by it. This is institutions are -taking long time to the first point to be recogni.sed. This process applications and then to dis year Rs. 4.5 crorcs were asked for b.v burse funds after processing is com the Maharashtra government out of pleted. How much time was taken, which Rs. 4.49 crores had been sanc on an average, in processing one tioned. It is the Maharashtra govern application and after processing how ment which decides which scheme is much time was taken in actual dis to be financed. bursement of funds? If he has not those iifiures now, he can supply them SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHINDE; afterwards. Taking into consideration the peculiar geographical conditions obtaining in SHRI H. M. PATEL: If any specific Mahar*ishtra, will the government instance is mentioned, it can be gone' assur'" the House that the schemes of into. 13 Oral Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 14 SHRI S. R. DAMANI: Average time? it did not ask for it. Gujarat got Rs. 47.5 lakhs, Karnataka Rs. 138 SHRI H. M. PATEL: There is no lakhs, Kerala Rs. 389 lakhs Madhya such thing as average time. A ll appli^ Pradesh Rs. 434 lakhs and so on. cations are being dealt with expedi Each year it varies. Last year tiously and efficiently and if there is 1975-76.... (Interruptions). any^instance that you can give me in which undue delay has taken place, I AN HON. MEMBER: What about shall go into it. Assam? SHRI HARISHAiSrKAR MAHALE; SHRI H. M. PATEL: Assam has not In the last part of his reply he say? got anything because it never asked that the matter is under consideration. for it. May I know when a final decision wil) be taken in this matter? SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: I know every inch of Maharashtra. I SHRI H. M. PATEL: The Maharash- know as much as Mr. Dharia knows. Ira government has asked lor larjii;' I can put bettor questions than Maha allocations than what has been ils nor rashtrians. No diflerence should, there mal share. This is what is under fore, be made. consideration. That can be decided only when we receive requests SHRI R. MOHANARANGAM: from all other States. One of Tamil Nadu was under the rule of the those State Governments which President. It is the duty of the re is very fortunate is the Government presentatives of the Government to of Maharashtra. Governments like the ask and fight for more funds for the Bihar Government did not take ad Tamil Nadu Water Supply Schemes. vantage of this scheme. If they also But nothing has been done in this take advantage of this scheme, then regard for the past nine years for the the Government of Maharashtra wil! simple reason that DMK rule was find it difficult to get so much. there. I would like to know what jsteps the Government proposes to (Interruptions) take...... (Interruptions). MR. SPEAKER: We will go to the next question. TFJJfT 5RT ’JHTtq ^Iffr Overseas Market for Assam Bamboo if ?ITT r*i+i4^ % Craft and Carve Products f^cr ^ ffppT ^ ^ ^ ^rf ? »587. SHRl NIHAR LASKAR; Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA SHRI H. M. PATEL: I can give TION be pleased to state: you figures. In the year 1973-74, (a) whether Assam bamboo craft Rs. 2263 lakhs were disbursed as loan ^rsd carve products have export poten for water supply schemes, of which. Uttar Pradesh got Rs. 153 lakhs, Tamil tials and have also found good over seas market; Nadu Rs. 303 lakhs, Rajasthan Rs. 9." lakhs, Maharashtra Rs. 345 lakhs, ("b) if so, what steps are being Kerala Rs. 477 lakhs, Karnataka taken by Government to rise Iheir Rs. 388 lakhs, Himachal Pradesh Rs. 8 export.s; and lakhs, Haryana Rs. 136 lakhs, Gujarat Rs. 128 lakhs and Andhra Pradesh (c) whether any foreign markets Rs. 230 lakhs. In the next year, have been identified for export of Andhra Pradesh got nothing because these goods? 15 Oral Answers JULY 22, 1977 Oral Answers i 6 THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE mes are now being taken up. The AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO House will be happy that though the OPERATION SHRI MOHAN DHA- Agartala institute started function- R IA ): (a) Yes, Sir. mg oniy recently, from 1st June 77, iibout 25 trainees have already joined (b) The Government of India have it and many more will be coming. set up the lollowing Institutes to We shall have to nurture and deve cater lo the developmental and ex lop this beautiful art and we shall port iMJtential requirements of the give all possible cooperation in ibis craft: — legard, (i) .N'orth-Eastern Handicrafts & SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: May I Handlooms Development Corpora know the amount of foreign exchange tion, Shillong, ta.ned by the export of these pro ducts duiing Ihc last two years? Ui) Cane & Bamboo Development Institute, Agartala. SHRI MOHAN DHARIA: Rs, 25 lakhs in 1975-76 and Rs. 37 lakhs in (c) These goods are being export 1976-77. ed to 4 large number of markets, in SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA: The cluding Belgium, France, West Ger minister’s reply exposes the quantum many, Netherlands, Denmark, U.K,, of exports. The exports from Ivlora- U.S.A., Switzerland, Ireland Austra dabad alone are worth Rs. 20 crores lia, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia etc. per year. For the entire north-east ern region, it is only Rs. 37 lakhs. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: Sir, this Of course, I am not blaming this is a beautiful craft, I do not know government entirely for this. The whether my friend has already seen beautiful products being made there some of these products, I assure You, are not popularised. These institutes if you see them you will like them. have done practically nothing in that I asked about Assam specifically. Of area to promote the exports. No work the two institutes he mentioned, one has been done except on paper. Tou is in Shillong which is in Meghalaya rists are not allowed to go to Assam and the other is in Agartala. Are and there is no contact with the out you going to do anything for Assam? side world. We have alw^iys object ed to that. Would the minister as SHRI MOHAN DHARIA: They jre sure us that these institutes would for the whole north-eastern region really do some work to promote the and my hon, friend will appreciate exports? You cannot leave it to the that Assam is a part of the north State Government or to the export eastern region. Naturally that care houses because they simply do not has been taken. Besides, it is now exist in that area. The Central Gov decided to have a full-fledged Regionnl ernment has to take special interest Design and Technical Development ■and see that this area is specially Centre for the north-eastern region treated in the matter of export pro and it will be located at Gauhati. motion. I hope he will give that But it will be for the whole of the assurance. area. I am well aware of the prob lems of that area. In 1972 when I SHRI MOHAN DHARIA; I have al visited that area, out of curiosity ready said that all possible efforts I visited this Centre. It is not only will be made in that direction. But doing useful work for the country ultimately for the development of but from the point of view of ex any area, the local leadership counts. ports also, it deserves to be encoura If my friends coming from that area ged. Therefore, these institutes have come forward with some constructure been created and training program programmes, it will be helpful. 17 Oral Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers I8 SHRIMATl RENUKA DEVI BAR- ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK KATAKI: The minister is putting the ING be pleased to state: responsibility on local leadership. Un- Ic.s we get help and encouragement (a) whether the Pvcscrve Bank »f from the government, what can local India i.s surveying credit gap in same leadership do? "the minister is also fli.stricts; in charge of cooperation. He knows that this is a cottage industry. Will b) if so, the names of districts; and ho take steps to see that this indus try develops in the cooperative sector? (c) whether the Reserve Bank pro Will he also take action to see that poses to give loans direct to the exports from this area are done cooperalive credit societies? in the manner in which exports from Moradabad ai’e taking place? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING SHRI MOHAN DHARIA; I have al (SHRI H. M. PATEL); (a) to (e». ready said that and this North-East A statement is laid on the Table oc ern Handicrafts and Handloom Deve the House. lopment Corporation in Shillong was just registered on the 31st March (a) Yes, Sir. The Reserve Bank is 1977. Naturally it is the ortly one assessing the likely credit demand m institution and I shall take care that the next two year.s (1977-78 and 1978 this institution gives all possible co 79 1 mainly for agricultural and allied operation in developing this indus purposc.s in 41 district^i under their try. Intensive Agricultural Credit Deve lopment Scheme. Snrvey of Credit Gaps in Districts by Reserve Bank of India (b) The names of the districts elected under the Intensive Agricul -538. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL tural Credit Development Scheme are NAIDU; Will the Minister of FIN as follows; — State District 1. CjLijr.it . . I. Bhavnagar 2. M 'hsa a 2. Aladliya Pradesh 1. Jhabua 2. S:;tna 3. Raipur 4. Narsii g!,pi r i- Muluirashtra I. Dhulia 2. A urarg b;id 3. Shol; pur 4. Karnataka . I. C h itr a d u ig ’. 2 . Sliim cga 5. Andhra Pradesh I. Karimnugir 2. ChiltDor 3. Prukasam 6. Kcraia . I. Trichur 2. Quiion 7. TamM Nadu I. South Arcoi 2. IViadurai ■S. Rajasthan . I. Banswara 2. Udaipur 3. Gar.ganagar 9. Punjab . I. Faridkot 2. Rupar 10. Uttar Pradesh . I . R aiR erali 2. Jaunpu-- 3. Basti 4. Meerut 5. Nainita 6. Banda 7- Dehra Dun 11. Haryana . . I. Hissar 2. Rohtak 12. West Bental I. Nad'a 2. West Dinapur 13. Meghalaya . aro Hiiis 19 Oral Answers JULY 22, 1977 Oral Answers 20 State District . 14. Orissa I. Balasore 2. Kalahi nd' 1 5 . Bihar I. Purnea 2. Ranchi-3. Kunti 3. Sasaram-Bhabua 16. Assrm I. Nowgong (c) No, Sir. The loans will continue position to give you the details of ‘.0 be routed through the federal co what kinds of credit requirements Ibr operative structure as at present. Andhra Pradesh have been formal ised. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: I want to know whether the survey is SHRI AN ANT DAVE: I want to completed and for the next two years know from the hon. Minister that whai is the credit gap. to cover some particular district un der the intensive agricultural cre SHRT H. M. PATEL: This survey dit development schemes, whether is completed in 40 out of 41 districts, any norms or criteria have been fixed but one cannot quan'vfy the credit by the Government. demands because the survey is in SHRI H. M. PATEL: I can tell tei-ms of working out various pro you that the districts that are coverv grammes etc. that would be started in ed are in different States: each particular district with reference to the conditions in that district. The SHRI ANANT DAVE: But my ques survey has brought out the various tion is whether any criteria have been spheres in which credit needs exist fixed by the Government under the and how they are to be met. And intensive agricultural credit deve thereafter, they make arrangements lopment scheme. '■or them. SHRI H. M. PATEL: This question SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU; I relates to a different scheme, viz., Y^ant to know whether the sui"vey in intensive area development scheme. Andhra Pradesh is completed and That is a different scheme. What you whether this survey includes credit have asked me just now for is about for sheep-rearing and other things credit survey being made by Reserve allied with agriculture. Bank to find out what credit ga]» exists in different districts and ft SHRI H. M. PATEL: The survey is with reference to that, this quaB- in Andhra Pradesh is completed. tion. . . . SHRI CHITTA BASU: Sir, from SHRI p. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: the statement it appears that certain But I ask whether the credit supply districts numbering two or three with regard to sheep-rearing and have been selected for each State of other things allied with agriculture the country. May I know from the is included in the survey. hon. Minister what is the actual cri teria in the matter of selecting those SHRI H. M. PATEL: Agriculture, two or three particular districts and of course, is the basic th-ng. The data not others. What is the criteria for includes particulars relating to the selecting those two or three districts area under various crops, scales of in each StSte” finance that may be needed, small marginal farmers, rural artisans, land SHRI H. M. PATEL: The inten less labourers, small and cott?.ge in sive development for agricultural cre dustries and so on. I am not in a dit scheme was initiated in Decem 21 Oral Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22 ber 1976. As far as I can see, I am ments and what is neexied to be done not in a position to give you the additionally, in order to meet the criteria for adopting these districts, complete requirements of each dis but let me tell you that under the trict. intensive' area, development scheme certain districts are selected from each SHRI MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI: State and none of those districts From the statement of the Minister, have been selected for this purpose. it appears that almost all the States, excepting the State of Jammu and SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: Kashmir, have been included in this Mr. Speaker, sir, I am taking the survey. May I know from the hon. point further. The question and the Minister the reasons why this State has not been included in this scheme? answers do not give us much light as such. When anybody, particularly Will he consider the inclusion of Jammu & Kashmir State in the Sche L'overnment or Reserve Bank under takes a sui vc'>', there must be a pur- me now? i:D.se for i’. What was the purpose undertaking that survey? U-iless SHRI H. M. PATEL; I am sorry I you are clear In your mind, you do am not in a position to say why J&K ;-ot have any criteria for this puipose. is not included in this. I will lind The ma;n point is about finding out out why it has not been included. the standai d , or the facilities avail (Interruptions) and I will have no : ble in the districts here the.- banks objection to including it, provided it can be more elective; because the can be fitted into the scheme. {Inter- major problem was that after nationa- r^iplions). It was started during the iv.ation, wc have not been effectively days of the previous government. I going to the rural areas, and into did not exclude J&K. I must find ihe agricultui'al sector, as effectively out why that government excluded. cjs we should. This was the problem. J&K. I am saying, on the country What was the purpose of this sur that I shall be glad to include it, vey, what were the' criteria on which after looking into it. l.’ie districts were surveyed and what cxactly arc the conclusions to which SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: The these survev.s have led us to? previous government excluded Pon dicherry also. You must also in clude Pondicherry. I hope you will SHRI H. M. PATEL: The hon. do it for us. Leader of the Opposition would know, of course, that this jchcnie SHRI H. M. PATEL; We will in ■ •as started earlier; a decision to ini clude it. tiate or to pinpoint the credit gaps in different districts was a decision SHRI P. K. KODIYAN; From the taken in the earlier stages, when reply given by the hon. Minister to the Reserve Bank was asked to carry this question and from the statement, cut this survey. The object of this it is seen that these surveys have just clearly is to initiate positive measures been completed in 41 districts. That ior identifying the gaps between the is my impression. If that is so, how performance and the achievements of will the purpose of the survey be the cooperative so far, and to launch served? In the statement, it is said an action progiamme to ensure ba that the survey is to find out the cre lanced development in different re dit requirements of the districts for gions and to strengthen coopera'ive the years 1977-78 and 1978-79. We credit institutions. And, therefore, have just cros-"^ half of the year this survey will find out what are the 1977. What is the purpose; and how credit requirements of each district, will it be served? WTien was the what credit societies exist, to what Re.«;erve Bank’s survey begun, and extent they can meet these require when was it completed? What were ^3 Oral Answers JULY 22, 1977 Oral Answers 24 the specific recommendations and SHRI H. M. PATEL: Yes, Sir. I suggestions made by the Reserve think both the sectors are being liank in respect of the credit re- surveyed in this. qiiirements, or credit gap of districts where' the survey has been completi-d? SHRI SAMAR GUHA: The fust answer of the hon. Alinisler to i:\v SHRI H. M PATEL; It is iruc that question appears to he rulher this survey was undi-rtalten with a if not ridiculous, because the ;^’np view to find out the credit require is not only between these 348 cn.^- ments for the year 1977-78 and 1978 trict,s. There is credit gap evtiy- 79 in the 16 States. The work has where, all over India. In reply to now been completed. But it has to my question, the hon. Minister --oid be. analysed and the credit gap soon that the money deposited with ine worked out for 1977-78. It is iruc- rural banks all over India, more t;uui that half the year will have gone, tialt the money, is being taken away but it cannot be helped, because the by tlie urban areas for developn -jnt work was only recently eomplcU'd. of industries land siome credit L>r loans to the traders and big busin.ss- si«PRT ^ men. In view of that fact, I want to know whether the whole polic\ oi ^ 5TR t . ^ givin.^ credit to ihe rural p^’ople y ^'T fTiTT the nationalised banks in the rural areas will be looked into, revie .eel I ?n7 ^ *T Wf. ^tt- and seen that ;it least all ihe mo:'^y iflMfdcf ^ % deposited with the rural luinks ui HTT? ^ ^ +|yd't:i-', w. q-nr the rural areas arc .i^iven as er-:!it to the rural people. Secondly, I want $ I W 5RTT % fqr t ^ to know about the dilTerential ate ifrprr of interest that was introduced by I +|yd+l< ^ ITT ^ the earlier Goxernment for the hc .e- fit of the rural people, to what ex ^ >T?fTT ^ a^T w r tent it has achieved its ob.iective. ■ + I W + K % f ^ ' f ^ T 7 >,tT ^ ^ +|Sr1+H ^ T P T ^ ^ SHRI H. M. PATEL; The Member has gone away from the ques ^ ^ =Tt1% ^ tion that has been put. But I am ^ qr ^ 1 prepared to tell him this, that thoush it will not be correct for me to give the assurance that whatever mo.'.ty SHKI H. M. PATEL; The hon. is deposited by the branches of ‘lie Member has raised a correct ques banks in the rural areas vvill always tion. We are endeavouring to reduce be used there, I can give him the 'as the number of intermediaries. In fact, surance that the credit requirements the Reserve Bank gives it finances of tho rural areas will be fully met. direct to the district co-operative That is why this assessment and sur banks and, wherever necessary, ai.'?o vey. Wherever the differential rr.tes to the State Co-operative Banks are permissible, they are continuing. -where the district co-operative banks do not exist. Return of Soiled Notes to the Reserva Banking SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA Has the survey also sought to make the much-needed distinction between *590. SHRI RASHID MASOOD: Will the credit requirements for produc the Minister of FINANCE AND RE tion and the credit requirements for VENUE AND BANKING be pleased consumption? to state: 25 Oral Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26 (a) whether he is aware of the Bank to accept soiled and slightly wardship the general public is facing mutilated notes from the public in due to soiled ard mutilated bank and payment of dues. Notes with major currency pcjtes being unacceptable mutliations are, however, lequir- to shopkeepei'S, banks, Government ed to be sent to or tendered c ffices and others and on account of at the offices of the Reserve Iho Stringent policy of the Reserve Bank of India for examination and Bank of India in receiving back spoil payment as admissible under the RBI ed notts from banking and other (Note Refund) Rules, 1975 which have )iiianciril institutions; replaced the 1935 rules. In order to make the general public aware of these (b) whethc- he is aware of the facilities, a pub.ic notice was issued by fact that in places whsre the ' Stete the Reserve Bank on the 8th June, Bank of India acts as a “ treasury 1976 which was also reported in the chest’ On bcha]f of the Reserve Bank Press on the 13th June, 1976. All Pub cf India, it docs not undertake ex lic sector Bank were asked by the change of toin notes; and Reserve Bank to display prominently ic) what stops does he propo.-e to copies of the public notice at the pre in oider to simplify the proce- mises of all their branches. A copy ( ure for thf return of spoiled notes of the public notice is laid on the U> tlie Reserve Bank and to improve Table of the House. [Placed in 1he quality 0,1 paper on which notes Library. See No. LT-797/77]. In order : re printed? t(i minimise the hardship to the THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND general public in the exchange of mutilated note.-; priority is acocrded, REVENUE AND BANKING (SHKI H. M. PATEL); (a) to (c). A state- in the Reserve Bank Offices, for the disposal of cases involving fewer 1 lent is on the Tatilf ni llie notes. House. 3. Sporadic complaints are, however, SUitcm (’lit received from the public about certain The question relates to acceptance difficulties experienced by them in and exchange of soiled and mutilated getting .soiled or slightly mutilated no notes Aeeiirding to the Reserve tes accepted in pa.yment or exchanged Banks terminology, a ‘soiled note' is at certain branches of the banks etc. a note which has bccome dirty due to These difficulties do not arise out of .normal wear and tear but which is any procedural instructions issued by otherwise whole and entire and lias the Reserve Bank in receiving back ■ ot been mutilated in any manner and spoiled notes from banking and other i 'Diutilated note' means a note which financial institutions. The Reserve is torn and is composed of pieces or of Bank looks into every such complaint which a portion is missing; the notes and advises the bank concerned to ea- of which the mutilations are minor are sure that unrestricted facilities are < .Tiled ‘s^hqhUy invtilated notea'. provided to the public in this regard. 2. Ordinarily, there should be no di- Even as late as April 1977, the banks f’lL'ulty for the members of the public had been advised by the Reserve Bank 1 rxchanging the ‘spoiled noles’. ihe to offer the exchange facilities to the 'slightly mutilated notes’ and even two maximum possible extent. half notes provided both halves are 4. With a view to mitigating the ciearly identifiable as belonging to the difficulties which continue to be ex same note, as all the public sector perienced by the general public des banks, including the State Bank of pite the issue of the Note Refund India, have already been instructed by Rules 1975, or those arising from the the Reserve Bank to afford requisite said rules, the Reserve Bank is exa facilities to the public in this regard. mining how best these rules could be All offices of the Posts and Telegraphs further revised, simplified and libera Department and the Railways have lised. The question of, and the extent rlso been authorised by the Resarve to which, the public sector banks 27 Oral Answers JULY 22, 1977 Oral Answers 28 could be authorised to accept in pay- SHRI H. M. PATEL: Yes, Sir. I r-rnt or for exchange the mutilatst’ think we will take every step to see notes is also being examined by tne that the soiled, torn notes etc., within Re-rrve Bank. the rules laid down by the Reserve 5. The quality of paper has been Bank', will be accepted at the State substantially improved in rccent years Bank its branches. ‘ and it compares favourably with inter national standards; constant efforts are, however, being made by the Security Paper Mill Hoshangabad, which manu ^ WRTf ^ 3rnTT IR pfT? factures currency and bunlc note paper, JR 5r, to achieve still better quality with im proved raw materials and finishing ^ ^n,'+)d processes. ^ iTfPT % r SHRI RASHID MASOOD: Will the '4, ^ H T R wswiri n hon. Minister tell the House the diffe TTT JPTT I, m ^ j? rence between the cost of the paper used previously for printing currency |t t ^ ^ ^ notes and the cost of the paper used at present? % ^'T f^ T ir 5flWRT SHRI H. M. PATEL: This does not ?IT t fsR :rr»ff % ^ arise out of the main question which ?ftT ^ relates to soiled notes. Jf ^ ^ ^ SHRI RASHID MASOOD: This does »rise because due to the inferior quali »nrr ?)• ? ty of the paper, notes get soiled and mutilated. Anyway, I will put my second supplementary. SHRI H. M. PATEL: Certainly, wherever we find that anything irre Will the Ministry take steps to see gular has been done, we shall take that these soiled and mutilated notes action. are accepted by the post offices and nationalised banks also and passed on to the Reserve Bank? SHRI H. M. PATEL: Under the pre RE: SHORT NOTICE QUESTION sent orders, these soiled notes are ac cepted not only at the Reserve Bank but at all the nationalised banks. They SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA; cannot be accepted by the post offices I am on a point of order. So far as because there are other difficuties for this short notice question is concerned, the post offices. I think it is not necessary to point out that the Chair has gone into the ur- gen:-y of the matter and that, of couri.-.. rr.ust be there. But so far as the House is concerned, this urgency is not conveyed to us because the question is not intelligible at all. Kindly look ir t , t »fi- >571% ^ ^ into the text of this short notice ques tion. Whether you are able to form any impression about the substance of ^ ?rt^ % the question. The question simply says: whether the attention of the Go vernment has been drawn to the news ^ ? report appearing in the Hindustan 29 Oral Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 30 Times dated the 8th July, 1977 under tan Times dated the 8th July, 1977 the caption “ Text Books Fate Uncer under the caption “Text Books Fate tain”, and (b) if so, what is tfie reac Uncertain” ; and tion of the Government to the various (b) if so, what is the reaction of the observations made therein? Now the Government to the various observa Chair must have considered the ur tions mad 3 therein? gency of the matter but the House al THE MINISTER OF EDUCATIOI.', so must be impressed about the ur SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE gency s-o that the House may be in a (DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- position to comprehend the question DER): (a) and (b). Several points and then put supplementaries to tho have been raised in the press report answer given by the Minister. We, are which appeared in the Hindustan not in a position to understand what Times. A statement is laid on the is the subject matter of the question. Table of the House. So, my submission is that the Chair has not performed its duty so far as Statement the admissibility of the question is The report in the Hindustan Tiniei concerned. The intelligibility of the of 8th July. 1977 under the captio-i question is the very pre-requisite. “TEXTBOOKS' FATE UNCERTAIJNT” And it is not intelligible. We would does not reflect the factual position like to be enlightened about the subs obtaining in the matter of productiDa tance of the question, if not by the of textbooks by the NCERT. question, then by the Chair so tHiil we are in a position to put supplemen There is no change in the present, taries. programme of production of text books due to the appointment of the MR. SPEAKER: The Chair which has Committee mentioned above. The admitted the question, has understo-od textbooks are being produced in a it and the Minister who has accepted phased programme as detailed below; it, has understood the question. I have no right to review the order. (1) Fivfit Phase: New textbooks would be intro SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: duced in 1977-78 in classes I, It is not fair to the House at all. III, VI, IX & XI SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: I want a (2) Second Phase clarification from Shri S. N. Mishra. New textbooks would be intro Since the question has been admitted, duced in 1978-79 in classes II, I want to know whether it is an aspe:^ IV, VII, X and XII. si«i on the Chair'or on the Member concerned who has put the question. ( 3 ) Third Phase (Interruptions). New textbooks would be intro duced in 1979-80 in classes V S h o r t N o t ic e Q u e s t io n N o . 23 and VIII. Production of Text Books For the First phase, in all 56 citlei ■S.N.Q. 23. SHRI VASANT SATHE: (both English and Hindi versions in- SHRI KANWAR I.AL clusives) are required in July 1977 GUPTA: for the session 1977-78. These text DR. HENRY AUSTIN books are already under production. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL Most of them will be available by the NAIDU: end of July 1977. DR. BAPU KALDATE: A few additional books in the Will the Minister of EDUCATION. second semester of Class X I will be SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE made available later. (The s'jcond be pleased to state; semester books will be required by (a) whether the attention of the November, 1977). Government has been drawn to the It has been stated in the Pre.'?'? news report appearing in the Hindus Report that the Council has withheld 31 Oral Answers JULY 22, 1977 Oral Answers 32 publication o f a number o f textbooks tude, or the lack of it, ixv for IV, VIII and XII. None of these children, in only certain textbooks has been withheld from subject areas, keeping in publication. According to the sche view the national goals duled progr;;mmo. classes IV and XII development and objectives are to be covered by new textbooks of education. in 1978-79. In the case of class VIiI, the new textbooks are scheduled to be The Committee is expected to sub introduced in 1979-80. In view of mit its report in 3 months’ time. this, the textbooks produced earlier are to be used during 1977-78, in SHRI VASANT SATHE: 1 a.n classes IV and VIII. glad that the hon. Minister at least has not only understood the question- As regards financial implications of but has studied it and given a the review, the matter will be thorough reply. It was unfortunate examined when the report is sub that my hon. friend, Shri Shyamnan- mitted. dan M ishra.... As the House is aware, a Com mittee has been appointed under the MR. SPEAKER: Don’t go into that; Chairmanship of Dr. Ishwarbhai no debate on that. I have ruled it Pate], Vice-Chancellor, Gujarat Uni out of order. versity, Ahmedabad, to review the Cy;lnbi atici textbooks prepared b> SHRI VASANT SATHE: Unfor the NCERT for classes I to X. The tunately, the leading men like Shyam terms of reference are: Babu do not even care to read the newspaper which has been quoted. ( 1 ) to review the stagewise and subjectwise objectives identi MR. SPEAKER; Please don’t raise fied in the NCERT document a debate unnecessarily. “The Curriculum for the 10 year schoo]”. SHRI VASANT SATHE; It appears, (2) to scrutinize the NCERT ;;yj- from the statement of the hon. Mini.-^- labus and textbooks in th'. ter that for the students of Class I, light of the review as per ( 1 ) III, VI, IX and XI. for 1977-73 course, above. the books will be available although (3) to scrutinize the scheme o ' from the newspaper report, it 'ippears studies, as given in the said that most of the books are not yet in doc’Jmcnt_ and examine whe the market even for this course. But ther any suitable modifica what is a matter of more concern is- tion."; in either the scheme of that on p. 2 of the statement, it ii- studies or the time table or stated that a Review Committee both should not be made and which has been appointed under the to propose suitable staffing Chairmanship of Dr. Ishwarbhai Patel pattern. of the Gujarat University is going to (4) to review the present scheme review the stagewise and subjectwise O f studies and the time allo objectives identified in the NCERT cated for various subjects document “The Curriculum for the' with a view to ensure that: 10 year school ” and, therefore, tTie- entire curriculum is going to be (i) the institution/teacher ha? reviewed. Secondly, it is stated that adequate time for experi it is going to scrutinise the NCERT mentation, creative work, syllabus and textbooks in the light of remedial instruction etc. the review made by this Committee. (ii) to accommodate the needs Again, it is also stated that it is to of the bright child '•'or ad review the present scheme of studies vanced level courses; the and the time allocated for various specific interest and apti subjects and all that. 33 Oral Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 34 This is because the NCERT has not Now, under the 10+2 programme been able to meet the dead-line for for which all this is being done, you supplying the books. Secondly, it can easily imagine the hardships that says: will be caused after the Review Com mittee report. All these books will need to be modified and the syllabus “The educationists have pointed changed. What will happen to these out that the students emerging books that you are producing today? from 10+ 2 system would be rela You say that it is a phased pro tively weak in maths and langu gramme. Why don’t you have a pro ages.” per scheme of production of these books so that they do not become out So, in the light of this, I would like to of date just next year after iht know what is the programme of the Review Committee report? Government to see that the students get proper educational and training DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- facilities under this 10 + 2 system DER: I ap;>>'eciate the apprehension which is really creating a mess for :he of the hon. Member, Mr. Sathe. society. Actually, it is a phased programme DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- in respect of some of the Classe-3. as DER: I am not responsible for the hon. Member pointed out, and that mess, but I am trying to remedy some will answer his question. It is true of the mess which has already been that the review Committee has been created. I may respectfully submit set up. That has been done due to to Mr. Sathe that due to persistent the persistent public demand that the demand from students, from teachers syllabus is too heavy. We do not and from parents this Review Com know what will be the recommenda mittee has been set up. We do not tions of the Review Committee. know what conclusions this Review Therefore. wc are going on Committee will place before the Gov with the statu!^ quo. that is the ernment. However, I can assure the NCERT is going on with the hon. Member that the results of the phased programmee. When we Review Committee will be duly will come to know the conclusions of considered and whatever effect will the Review Committee, then we will be there, that will be prospective be in a position to know whether and not retrospective. Therefore, the certain books will be necessary or not present students will not be affected or how many of these books will be by the submissions of the Review ncc-e>sarv. We will certainly keep In Committee. view that the burden on the parcnt.s is not heavy. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: There is a complete confusion about SHRI VASANT SATHE: Then, you this 10+ 2 system and there is a com have stated that for the first piiase. plete bungling in this Institution. in all 56 titles (both English and The Minister had just now stated Hindi versions inclu.sives) are requir that in the first phase, the books are ed in July, 1977 for the session being published. I may tell you. Sir, 1977-78. If you force the parents to that the number of students in Class ' buy these books today which are IX and Class X is 1.20 lakhs and the going to be out of date after just new books to be published are 15 in three months or next year, they will number and so far only four books have to buy new books. In Delhi it are available; in Class XI and XII. self, there is a reoort that 47,000 there are 17,000 students and the new school students in the capital entering books which are to be published in “ plus 2” stage of the new education July are 31 and at present, only five system will begin their new academic books are available. The price has session next week without text-books. also been increased. The quality of 170.-i L S — 2 35 Orel Answers JULY 22, 1977 Oral Answers 36 printing is also so bad that you need ing of NCERT, and if it is found that sometimes a microscope to study these an equiry is necessary, then certainly books. Moreover, five foreign pub it will be done. lishers have been given a contract for the publication of these books—I do DR. HENRY AUSTIN: I. the not know what is the reason for that. Government aware of the criticism This is not the first year when these levelled against NCERT (National books are published late; every year Council of Education Researcii and it happens like that. The schools are Training) that the books prepared by open and there are no books for the this organisation are prepared by ex children to study. May I ask the hon. perts from the universities who have Minister whether the Government little knowledge about the ab.sorption will make an enquiry into the work capacity of school children and that ing of NCERT which has created this this has resulted in the work-load of mess and is responsible for .spoiling students being increased from year to the career of thousands of students? year. There is also some criticism (b) What steps Government proposes that these books are fir.st tried in to take so that students may get their cosmopolitan schools in metr-opolitan books in time? cities which have good teaching staff and facilities. And on the basis of DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- acceptability in these schcol.s these DER: I will answer second question books are prescribed as model books first. Certainly, steps are being taken and are introduced in schools all over so that the students may get books, the country. As every one knows, but whether in time, that i? dlificulty, the standard of education and the because we are trying to expedite the facilities available vary from State to matter by placing an order with State, from region to region, and this private publisers so that they may has caused great and widespread dis take up this job very quickly. For location in the educational field and merly, it was in the hands of NCERT. has caused anxiety and concern in the When it was found that they were not minds of the people in general and able to cope with the job, private particularly the parents, teachers and publishers have been brought in, who students, all over the country, parti are experienced in the line. cularly in the rural areas. Are Gov ernment aware of this situation end SHRI KAN WAR LAL GUPTA: I are they going to meet this situation have already .stated about it. I want by an>' constructive suggestion or to know what extra steps he wants proposal? to take to expedite the publication of these books, because every year— DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- this year also— it is being dolayed. DER; Government is fully aware of the situation. In fact. I met a num DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- ber of delegations from parents, from DER: There are many reasons for teachers and from students. 1 have late publication of these books. As personally examined some of these anybody who has something to do books. Yesterday the New Mathe with publication knows the question matics was shown in this House. We of supply of papers, then load shed fully agree; that part of the criticism ding and the sometimes the press is which has been mentioned by the hon. not working. I am not justifying the Member is absolutely right, and we delay. We are trying to see that are looking into this matter. That is books are published, as quickly as why, this Review Committee has been possible. set up. Regarding his question of enquiry, SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: If a new Director has taken over its the publication of the books is de charg*. He is looking into the work layed, will the hon. Minister assure 37 Oral Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 38 the House that they will hold special classes for students? earned. ^ 'TT ^ f:>TT ^ STTcft I ? DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- «rt »5 m ^?jr f t DER: If necessary, the recom;nen- % f?r^ ^ 'T.if dation may go to the schools con- ^ I I m ^. ifisrT ^ I , Hm fsR5ft I I *To C\ fepT ^ ^Tcft I I it ^ ^ feri I Iff f5T ^'iJT ^ I f r ^ ^TT I 5T^{J f ^ T 3TT ^ I m 5fT ^'t ^TJTT, 'JTITT I ^ SHRI GAURI SHANKAR RAI: % f^rcr W'TW. The other part of my question has not been answered. What is the difficulty ^ it before the Government in giving this ^=5% ^11175. ^ Bi'TTt ^ printing work to others? Why should they give only to these four or five publishers? Why do they not give the woi k to the others who may even do at cheaper prices? Oxford, MacMilian, «rt SrTW ^ : 3fr i j imi aJi these are foreign firms.... ?ft ^ tf ?T#t I I MR. SPEAKER: He has said that err? ^ ^ ^'t MacMillan is not a foreign firm. fir ^7% I 1 SHRI GAURI SHANKAR RAI: The Minister is not definite whether these sit ifV^ 5T^7 tth- ; ^ \ i firms are foreign or national. I ^'Tlf ^TIT 'TTirf ferr nqr t 1 «ft 5 ^ HTTlJm %T 5TM ^T q it Zf?, ^ T 2^ r t ^ I I ^fe^lt I wTT V art ?T»n?nT ^firTT %, ^ r f ^T ^fiT ^'T f^qr IHTT I ^ ^ 't ^ frcn^'T 5FT ?rk t't f ^ ^ 'f it f^JTT I, ^ ^'l ^T3T I , 5r?5T f^ T 5T> fip.T rnqr 3n^T | 1 sftT ^qrf ^ 'ttI it ^ J T lt I Hitt ^ =^^rft T^T t I f5?iT f3rri» frarJI f»TIT | i spirit ^ ^ ^ ^ t wm % I w % Tjq- % irfT^ t t ^ ^ ^ C\ f^ T ftwT I ^?T ^ T>P^ ^ ?ir^5irwraT 'STHT TT ?TTT f^^TT t I i; 3rr ^T f f^p ^'TtI % f^i=TTOT vttX q-f I ?rm«rr?ftT it ?rnr ^irr t t ‘ct | ? ?Tf^, ^ fsFTTO ^ ^^nrr w ^ «HTir+ srt TO ; iTR^tir «TT, ^ ^ I I ^ % «fr, ^ ^ TRT ^ f^'yTT'^ ^TT^IT ^JrTT^nfl | 1 iPTT •T^ ^ qT t I -;: 5rrr ft" 3tt t, ^ ^ ^ ^ '^' ? \ ?rn-tJTTT I ^ DR. KARAN SINGH: I am grate «rt SJrIN ^ 3fTT ful to the Minister that he is looking 5Cr^ f ?fn; I the curriculum because, as a result of the new curriculum not only has PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: Is it the homework of the children in a lacM, that the pattern 10 + 2 + 3 was creased but the homework of the iritrodii;ed in a number ot States but parents has also increased. I happen not in all the States and that, further, to have children of the school-going it was introduced only voluntarily hy age and I am aware of the fact that such oi the States which thought th:il the present curriculum is very heavy. it was a good scheme worth introduc But the point is, that he has said that ing? that is so. may I know most of the text-books will be avail whether this Review Committee will, able by the end of July. He is aware apart irom its other terms of re that the schools reopened yesterday ference, 11 find that No. 2 is ‘to scruti and text-books for many subjects are nise the NCERT syllabi and text-bookf not available; this is going to have in the 'ight of the review as per vD an adverse effect upon the educational above'J go into the question or the career of the students. Therefore, syllal'i and text-books with a view to while a review is welcome. I would having uniform syllabi and uniform like to ask him what crash steps he text-books all over the country or has been to ensure that, even if it is whether the syllabi and text-books will cyclostyling or quick printing, some vary from State to State as per the thing is put in the hands of the needs vf the respective regions and the students before the end of July .so views cf the teachers and their under that their academic careers are not standing of the syllabi and courses? If adversely affected. this is so. why has that part of the matter not been included in the +erms DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- of reference of the Review Committee? DER; I have confessed that there has been a time-lag and could not help d r . PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- it; but, as we all know, in the first DER; The Hon. Member is a senior few days the students generally do Member of the House and he knows not study at all! Anyway, I ;n?y that the matter comes within the ju n ^ inform the hon. Member that some diction of the States. The NCERT cyclostyled text material has been gives some lead or direction by way handed over to the teachers. of recommendation. Beyond that, we 41 Oral Answers ASADHA 31, iSflfl (SAKA) Oral Answers 42 cannot go. But, as i have said, I have should be those who have practical called a meeting of the Education experience of syllabi and writing text Ministers to be held on the 10th and books. I would like to know whether 11th of next month and this m-.trer this Review Committee would be ex will be considered then. r panded by including authors as well as school teachers, who are concerned SHKI SAMAR GUHA; The Hon. with the education of IX. X, XI and Minister has to carry many bunglings XII classes. left by the former Education Minister and the worst mess possible that he DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- has created in regard to Higher Secon DER: This Review Committee is dary. Fortunately or unfortunately, 1 sought to be made as balanced aa have had the experience of becoming possible. There are representatives of an author and my books were there school teachers as also parents. The lor at least 16 or 17 years for the President of the Secondary Board cf Higher Secondary. I am thankful that Education in West Bengal, Prof. Satin- Smt. Indira Gandhi allowed me ihis der Chatterji has been associated. time also to write books for the IX, X, X i and XII Classes. I also take PROF. SAMAR GUHA; The NCERT the thread of my friend Prof. Mava- syllabus is not followed throughout lankar and I have got practical ex t h e country. The first part of my perience of these things being one of question has not been answered. In the authors of the text-books. I think, some States like West Bengal, Ass;’m the hon. Minister knows that educa and Tripura. already the second or tion is now a concurrent subject. The third year of this system has started. terms of references of the Commitlee It is a problem which thousands and have only directed them to review the millions of students in different States curriculam of 10 years school that has arc facing. That problem has to h e been prepared by the NCERT. (inc S o r te d out. difficulty is there that already the ."VIR. SPEAKER; Not now; if you courses not only for secondary, bui. want, give notice for a half-an-hour also for higher-secondary, ten plus Iwc have started. Secondly, the NCERT’s dcliate; do not raise it like this. curriculum and syllabi are followed only by Kendriya Vidayalas and in all SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: The hon. other States, the curriculam and ■Minister has stated that the Hindi and syllabi are prepared by the School English versions of the text-books will Boards there. For that reason, these be ready simultaneously as early as terms of reference are completely possible. I believe, many States have inadequate and insufficient. I would acccpted ten plus two plus three for, like to know from the hon. Minister, mula. As the medium of instructions whether these would be made ade in different States is their mother ton quate and sufficient when the con gue. it is necessary that uniform pat' ference of the Education Minister :s tern of text-books must be there in being held. ' regional languages also. When the It is a problem that is faced by the NCERT introduces these text-books school teachers and the authors and it these must be available in time to the relates only to classes 1 to 10. How different educational authorities of the ever, I am surprised to find that the States to enable them to have them Vice-Chancellor is going to head the translated in regional languages. In Review Committee and most cf the view of this, these text-books must be members of that Review Committee made available as early as possible. are professors and others, who have May I know from the hon. Minister, nothing to do with secondary and what steps he proposes to take now as higher secondary education. The also in future to see that these text members of tills Review Committee books are mqde available to the 43 Oral Answers JULY 22, 1977 Oral Answers 44 different States in time to enable them fj-1 ^ q-jTT ? ?fh: f5T^ to have them translated in regional ^ sn'T fVcTT? wr?T languages? ?T% f ^ ^ DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- % vTR 'TW ? DER; As far as i know, most of the Slates have got their separate Text Book Committees and sometimes they sft sr?TT«T TO ^ ; f?: r+ »To ^ f^rerr ift ^ «fif i p r r 5TTf?ft : JT^ ^ ^ ?T t ^ 1 0 % 'F ^ i % 5r;t ? r n %¥T5njr 2 nsT?T 3 % | ^ ^ STOT t I t ?TJTfTfrr g fip 3Tf ?Tft Sf ^ 'TT i\ m ^ ^ ^ I I wp: f^?TPff 5? ^ ^ r Tlrr m ^ ^ ^ qT f% -3^ qrt Tftormf^vTW f PT ^'T TTOT 7’^ ■ »T ^ ^ fwrar frrq- it, ^Hr ^ q i ? #T I, ^ ^ ^ ^ «ft Sa'I'T TO TO : q f ^ HfT ^»TT I 5ft7 JTf? W- t ^ ^ r I , ^f?r ^ f^^TPff ^ m fVgPTf f w r t fffir qf^r i %fsF^r fT t ? ^fR z ? 7 ? q -^ r ^ t ^ wr WT STFT ^ ? fT ITT i I : ^ TTT^ 'iffr=r ?. J ^ f % fM ’ juq', ?fn’ w, ^ AN HON. MEMBER: Will the hon.. spr t fiT»T^r irT^T^nr ’Tit Minister kindly tell u.s as to when the % r^Tzn i Re\'ie\v Committee will submit their repor; or as usual, they will take years I and years? Has any time limit been fixed for them to submit their report? «ft JTrTnr if?3r iF I : ^‘t TfT^ ^ I ^ fT^JT ^ ’PTT? DR, PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- ^ ?r>T^ ^ ^ ^jr»TT, DER; I have already stated—perhaps % i%JT I the hon. Member was not here—that th^ Review Committee will submit its report within three months. «ft triw t; MR. SPEAKER; We had enough ^TTTTT ^ «TT? JHR ffJTrr discussion on this question. Now «rq% ^ % ?T5T ^ n w i ’ ^ papers to be laid. I fspT ^ STTT^ rVicil«« 45 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1809 (SAKA) Written Answers 46 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS proaches to a price and quota ( mechanism. International Treaty on Banana Trade (c) Exports of bananas from India •589. SHRI K. MALLANNA; Will has been mainly to the Gulf countries. the Minister of COMMERCE AND The export figures are given below; — CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA TION be pleased to state: Quamiiy Value (a) whether banana exporting and (intcnnes) (Rs.lakhb) importing countries have agreed in principle to evolve an international treaty on banana trade; 1974-75 . 3 0-1 (b) if so. the details thereof: 1975-76 . . 1394 24-54 (c) tho average export of banana April—Dcc. 76 557 II- 16 bv India annually particularly to the Gulf cou tries; and (d) A Centrally Sponsored Pack age Programme which envisages (d) the steps Government have production of 4 lack tonnes of bananas taken to produce the banana of the in an area of 17,500 hectares is being exportable standard? implemented in the States of Maha rashtra, Gujarat, Karnataka, Andhra THE r.nxiSTER OF COMMERCE Pradesh, West Bengal, Orissa, Kerala, AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO Tamil Nadu, Goa and Madhya Pra OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN desh. Fifth Five Year Plan provides DHARIA): (n) u id (b\ Banana ex an outlay of Rs. 74.64 lakhs for this porting and importing countries have Programme. On the basis of the in agreed that bananas are susceotiblo formation received from State Go to the appiicatinn of an International vernments, an area of 8083 hectares Agreement. The F.A.O. Inter-gov has been covered under the progra ernmental Group on Bananas has set mme by the end of the financial year up a Working Party on the Elements 1976-77. of an International Banana Agree ment. The Working Party has held two Session; in July 1976 and June Cheque Facilities to Saving Bank 1977. The Party has come to the Account Holders conclusion that the basic elements of banana agreement should be the establishment of production and ex *591. SHRI SHIV SAMPATI RAM: port goals compatible with world Will the Minister of FINANCE AND banana requirements. Importing REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased countries have agreed to participate, to state: in partnership with exporting coun tries in the efforts to develop measures (a) whether the Reserve Bank of designed to secure prices remunera India has announced that a saving tive to producers and reasonable to bank account holder will receive 2 consumers. The Secretariat of the per cent less if he enj'oys cheque facilities aflinst 5 per cent he was Inter-gdvernmental Group has been getting; requested to prepare the working draft of a possible International Agree (b) whether it is a fact that the ment and to seek the advice of techni same depositor opting for “without cal experts in examining the practical cheque’ facility will still get 5 per feasibility of various alternative ap ‘ cent: 47 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers 48 (c) when these two new rates shall The Reserve Bank of India have come into force; reported that since the savings depo sits are mostly of small amounts, the (d) specific purpose for this discri reserved interest rate structure for mination; and Savings Bank Accounts is unlikely to have any noticeable effort on savings deposit growth. ve) in what way this new system is liKely to increase or decrease the ceposits? THE MINISTER FINANCE & REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI * 5 9 2 . ^ H. M. PATEL); (a) to (e). On May 5T*rr 27, 1977, the Reserve Bank of India announced further rationalisation in ^ ^ fTTT ;— the structure of interest rates payable by the scheduled commercial banks on their deposits. (^ ) WT ’pTTTW Jr ’TinT’T ^ *TT5' ^ Among other things, the Reserve % tRwnrt w iw nff ir Bank have advised the scheduled commercial banks to make a distinc ft t, ^ ^ ^ ^ tion between the Savings Bank Ac counts which are operated through ^ I FT-qr 3IF iTt^T cheques and those which are not and to pay interest at 3 per cent per ^ ’Tf t : annum on the cheque operated Sav ings Bank Accounts compared to the {^ ) ^ rr^r srni ^ interest rate of 5 per cent per annum which would continue to be admis % jfnr 51% ?r vrrfr sible on balances in the Savings Bank ^3^ T f I ^ Accounts which are not operated upon if 3TT ^ through cheques. This change has come into effect on July 1, 1977. f w ? : I ; ?fn: The distinction between cheque (»T) HWP: fRT ^ ?RT ^'f operated Savings Bank Accounts and ?r wmra’ tp" other Savings Bank Accounts and the fs ■ stipulation of a lower rate of interest of 3 per cent per annum on cheque operated Savings Bank Accounts Js based on the nature of these two I f t ? types of accounts, the former being functionally transaction oriented and the latter more truly partaking of ^ifrrsiT gfcT Savings. Small depositors, particu larly in the rural and semi-urban (sft «rrf^) : areas and those belonging to the {W‘) % (?r)_ w ^ weaker sections of the community, 4 -5 -1 9 7 7 % ^ ? r m whose Savings Bank Accounts are not usually transactions oriented a^^d 25-4-77 iprmr TTJtr Hfwrd ^ who do not avail of cheque facilities would continue to be entitled to *TT ^ interest on their savings deposits at the old rate. 49 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 50 2 7,934 t (b) how many foreign companies are at present working in India? sftTRir ir f^wT % ’rm Tfr t I THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE a n d BANKING (SHRI H. *n«T ?PTEr ^ ?Tf5't;TTt fftwr^fCTT % 'Tre' M. PATEL); (a) As on 30th June 1977, I ?RT:^T Wr:f^:yTTfs^^n 1)3 companies had reduced their non- 1 esident interest in conformity with ^ ^ I % f ¥ w '^he guidelines under the F.E.R.A. ^FTrmo qr w vfix % w i . % I ^ ^frontf^'t % tt¥ ib) At present there are 650 foreign companies operating in India in which q i ^ ^rt y{l«i'i<) ^ ^ the non-resident interest is more than # I ?T^ ^ ^ 40 per cent. 4 5F)- ^ ^ 4,334 ^ ^ ^ fw:# t I IVtushroom growth of Financing Firms *5?4. SHRI D. B. CHANDRE GOW 2. ^ ^ it ^'t 'Ti^ DA: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING be ^ ?HT dH^ioadl pieased to state: ^T^TT ^ % (a) whether there is any proposal ^TTT^ ^3^ % ^arrmW under Government’s consideration to % »T«ftT +riHI^JTt ^T control by law the mushroom growth of financing firms; I W 'TfTfFTf^ ^frRJTT % f?PT ^ ^ nt i (b) whether the growth of Chit ^T5nT 5T ^ ^ Fund Companies is proposed to be regulated by a Central Act; and ^ ^ ?rfsj^ «ft ?rar: ^ frinT ^ (c) if so^ the time by when a suit f?: ^ 5iw r f^ able legislation is proposed to be brought before Parliament in this re ^ ^ ^ d^'llcH't* f^JFTT gard? ^ ^tJTa 5FTO % smWW ? 1 THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. Reduction in Equity by Foreign Com M. PATEL); (a) Deposits are accepted panies in India from the public by both incorpora'ed financing companies and unincorpo rated financial Ijodies. *593. SHRI PRASANNBHAI MEHTA: SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN; As regards incorporated financial Will the Minister of FINANCE AND companies, the deposits accepted by REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased them (and not the growth of such com to state: panies) are regulated by Non-Banking Financial Companies (Reserve Bank) (a) how many foreign companies Directions 1977. These directions pre have so far complied with the provi scribe the'ceilings upto which deposits sions of Foreign Exchange Regula may be accepted by various categories tion Act by reducing their foreign of financial companies and regulate the equity holding as per directive issued manner in which deposits can be soli by the R. B. I.; and cited. 51 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 5^ As regards unincorporated financial (c) The Central Department of bodies. Government are examining the Tourism sought technical assistance nature cf control to be exercised on from the UNDP in 1976 for undertaking their acceptance of deposits; a techno-economic survey for an areial transportation system at Gulmarg; (b) Government haveunder consi- deration: — and has requested the services of a balneological expert during 1977 for (i> A bill to regulate chit fund the development of the Vasistha hot business of the conventional spring in Kulu Valley. type; and (ii) A bill to ban the promotion or conduct of prize chits and Support price for Raw Jute money circulation schemes. •596. SHRI CHITTA BASU: Will (c) The bills will be finalised lor the Minister of COMMERCE AND introduction in Parliament after con- CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO-OPERA sulation with the State Governmeri’.s TION be pleased to state: and Union Territories. (a) whether Government have taken India's growth rate of Tourism any decision to fix up the support price of raw jute for the current SHRI S. KUNDU: Will ihc season; and Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details of the decisions? (s') the percentage of Tourist re THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE venue India gets from the total re AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO venue collections in the world on this OPERATION (SHRI 'vi(.:)r-rAN accour.t; DHARIA): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) whether the growth rate of (b) Statutory minimum price of tourism in India is falling behind raw jute for 1977-78 sea.'?on has been the growth rate of tourism in the fixed at Rs. 141/- per quintal for W-5 world and if so, the comparative grade in .Assam. figures of such growth rate during the last three years; and (v ) whether any a::sii?tance -ind w v l r «TOH7T ^ V ITT^ Jf loans have been sought for from the international financing agencies for development of tourism in India ind if so, the details thereof? *5 97. «ft ?TTflTT : THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND «r> : CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHOT- TAM KAUSHIK): (a) During I'^Vo. India’s share of world tourism earning; was 0.6.3 per cent. ^ fTTT : (b) India’s growth rate of tourism ( ^ ) ^ was of the order of 3.2 per cent. lO.n ^ ^ ^ ir sptf sErsipR fifrarT per cent and 14.8 per cent during the t years 1974, 1975 and 1976 respectively, as compared to the growth rate of world tourism of—2.8 per cent. 1.8 per cent and 2.8 per cent respectively for the same period. 53 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 54, 3. ST R Vt^TvTR'cm if : (fr) ^ I ^ S 'c r f f ^ ?S T ^ , iirfT: » r ? m i f whmwhr ipffT ^ TT f^ ra-^ . (J?) qPTS^ f^lTFl ?TTT HTTq-- STRT^ 5FT f^qr I I 'rr TTcr m > m f, ^ WT ?rf5T^; 4. ^cnxRfcfhr 'Tq^^'f % f^TH^ % if W tT ^ 5Tt ^ t firiT 1 ^ if ?TiTf:r^ yNranrr ?Pn jR" 'h«i4>'|i#(- f^^TRT fWTWr ?T^5T1T; f^qrWi^TFT ^ % zr 3|T I I siiTM'II ?r>TS7T^f%^ 5. ‘Ii’H ' I % 3ff^ nR^Jim I *i^iiT’Jr, ?rrf^ % ^rR'-HRuii^'f % % ?15T^, f^*n^ n w f f f?»TT»T if q^Hr^r SI^^JTTf^ ^ ^'T gSTTW f^^TT | ^ f ^ 'r if «TTTiT % fcTCr ^ t M^d+I % iRtriPT % tFTR^ TT zftjprnr tq rr % 5Ti:% ^RTHT ^ F f^rsrtfTrT i f fR^ | I 6. ^?57W ¥ WT w r f^ TrcRTTcfnry qW3^'f ^ ^ S3 2. ' <3 ?TTwr,Cv %?rnr ^Tt,. ’ ji#%, ' . f^rf^cT 'T7:r^rfr5r^ i^rr % ?rqY 5trT ?i^T Tf?!^ ^ ^ ^r'4 ir firqr irirr | :— if «ft I ifr 'TPTT % HR?T if ?rff^ ^TTtTT «TT I g W (i) t!f?rT;HT, ?T5ffTT cT^T q[??fRT f^liTr f^ a ’ M^d't. ^rPTf^zff ^'r ^ JTOrrr I sirm: !R R ^FT?r % €t ?rrf% ( I ^'TfTJiirr, ?TT?r??T, rr^ rf^ T , q ^ ' f ^ wiT^ if ?rfM ^htt % HFT tst, fsft^TTiT, cT«rr sft^i r^d' f%qr ^ ?r% I ffT 3 fte #75- I (iii) ^TTrrrr, Central aid for development of Digha as a Tourist Centre ^irqt I (iv ) •598. SHRI SAMAR GUHA; • Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: (v) f???ff % I (a) whether Digha is the only sea (V i) itn beach tourist centre of Bengal and ’( R ^ I for that matter for whole of Eastern * India; ' (vii) I (b) whether tourist rush to Dlgha (viii) ^ if (ix ) I (c) whether Digha needs much deve lopment lor coping with rapidly in-, (X) % 5rJn: i creased volume of tourism; 55 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 "Written Answers 56 (d) if so, whether Central Govern THE MINISTER OF TOURISM ment propose to extend Central AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI io r development of Digha; and PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). Realising the importance of (e) if so, the facts thereof? Ooty as a tourist centre, particularly for domestic tourists, the Central THE MINISTER OF TOURISM Department of Tourism subsidised AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI the opening of a Tourist Bureau and PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) the construction of a tourist bungalow While Digha is the nearest beach to at Ooty in the Second and Third Plans Caloutta, Gopalpur-on-Sea and Puri respectively. are other popular beach resorts in Eastern India. (b) Since the Department of (c) Since statistics of international Tourism does not maintain tourist tourist arrivals are compiled on an •statistics on place-wise basis, no all-India basis and not on State-wise or plce-wise l^nsis, the statistical iigures of visiters to Digha during the last three years are available in the data on international tourists visiting Ooty is no', available on year-wise Department. basis. However, the Foreign Tourist (c) to (e). Due to constraint on re Survey commissioned by the Central sources necessitating a selected ap Department of Tourism in 1972-73 re proach to the de^'elopment of tourist vealed that 1.25 r ?r cent of the total facilities, Digha has not been includ number of tourist arrivals in India ed for development in the Central during this period visited Ooty. Sector. The State Government, how ever, has provided for the expansion of their existing tourist lodge at (d) Ooty finds mention in the fol Digha in 1977-78 to cope with the in- lowing promotional literature brought 'crease in tourist traffic to Digha. out by the Central Department ol Tourism for wide di.'itribution abroad:— Tonrist Potentialities of Ooty •599. SHRI P. S. RAMALINGAM: Will the Minister of TOURISM AND Sr. No. Name I' f folder'ir;crt Langurge CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to ^tate: 1. This is India (Folder') . Frglisb, German, (a) whether Government are aware French, Spanish, of the immense tourist potentialities Italian. o f Oot.y which is called ‘Queen of Hills’; 2. Discover India (Folder) . Do. (b) the present position for cater 3. The Southern Hills (Folder"). Ergli;h. ing to the amenities of tourists there; 4. The Right Place (T< urift Wap\ Ei gli;h. (c) the average inflow of foreign tourist during the last three years; 5. Discover Madras in the Sruth English, and (Folder). French, German, (d) the concrete measures takec or Spanish, Italian. proposed to be taken by way of pro motional and dev^pmental efforts sc 6. South India Hill Res< rts(in.'^ert). Erglish as ■> attract a larger volume of tour- is to that place? 57 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 5& Tobacco procured and held by S.T.C, (a) whether there is a serious short age of raw jute in jute mills in the- ^ *600. SHRI E. R. DAMANI: Will country; the Minister of COMMERCE, CIVIL (b) if so, the facts thereof and rea SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be sons therefor; and pleased to state: (c) the measures that are being, taken by Government in the matter? (a) the quantity and value of to bacco procured and held by State THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE, Trading Corporation as on 31st March. CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA 1977 and for how long it is so held: TION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) to (c). Jute industry is facing (b) the reasons for procuring these shortage of raw jute at present . stocks; and which is likely to continue till the new crop arrives in the market. (c) in what manner S.T.C. has di.-- This is due to insufficient carry over posed them or proposes to dispose of raw jute stocks from 1976-77 them? season. THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE, 2. For considering this problem, CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA Commerce Minister held a meeting TION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) in Calcutta on 3rd July, 1977 in which About 3500 metric tonnes of tobacco representatives of jute industry, trade valued at about Rs. 3.15 crores was unions and the Government of West procured by the Associates of STC Bengal including the Chief Minister during February-March, 1977. Out and Ministers for Industry and Labour of this, 1100 metric tonnes had been participated. delivered by the Associates to STC by the end of June, 1977 and the 3. The following measures have balance quantity was still with the been taken for meeting the situa Associates, pending completion of tion:— grading and packing of tobacco. (i) Regulatory orders have been issued directing jute mills to (b) The procurement this year was reduce their excess stocks undertaken by STC as a commercial beyond 4 weeks’ consump venture in keeping with the Govern tion and also prohibiting ment policy that STC should play a them from making further progressively increasing role in purchases till their stocks are tobacco exports. so reduced. (c) The stocks procured are pro (ii) Notice has been issued by the posed to be exported by STC. STC Jute Commissioner under the has already in hand firm orders for Jute (Licensing and Control) 2400 metric tonnes and they are hope Order, requiring the stockists ful of getting further export orders. of raw jute to disclose their stocks to the Jute Commis sioner within 48 hours. Shortagre of Raw Jute in Jute Mills (iii) A Committee uiyjer the Chairmanship of Jute Com *601. SHRI P. K. KODIYAN; missioner has been constitut SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDA- ed to study the current raw RAM: jute supply situation and to Will the Minister of COMMERCE, recommend measures there CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA for. The members of the TION be pleased to state: Committee fnclude represen 59 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 6o tatives from the Industry, the overall excise duty reduc labour and Government of tion on power processed cloth. It was West Bengal. represented that such reduction of ex •(iv) In order to discipline the cise duty would adversely affect the prices and check hoarding hand processors. As per the amended tendency, mc.ximum prices ai Finance Bill now passed by Lok Sabha, appropriate levels have been the duty differential betw«sen the hand -fixed for different categories processed and independent power pro of raw jute. cessed cloth, which was existing before 1-4-77 has been more than restored to ‘(v) Special efforts have been protect the interest of the hand pro made to augment the pro cessors duction of raw jute by im proving the yield in select ed areas. CofTee cultivation in North Eastern Areas *603. SHRI D, D. DESAI; Will the Crises faced by Hand processors of Minister of COMMERCE, CIVIL Textile SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION bs pleased to state: •602. DR. VASANT XUJMAR PAN. DIT: Will the Mini>ter ol COM MERCE, CIVIL SUPPLIES AND (a) whether the CofTee Board has COOPERATION be pleased lo state: decided to encourage Coffee cultivation in North-Eastern areas; (a) whether hand processors of te.\- tile are facing financial difficulty and (b) if so, the details thereof; and are on the verge of closing down; (c) the benefits expected from this (b) whether due to the diilerential cultivation in the context of the world duty on power processors the economy market for coffee? of hand processors has been grossly attected; THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE (c) whether Mahiirashtra Vastra RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA); Hasta Dhulai Rangai Sangh has ap (a) The Coffee Board in collabora- proached Government to solve this ti'on with the National Council of Ap problem; and plied Economic Research has drawn up a Plan to bring an additional arJa (d) the steps Government propose of 14,000 hoctares of land under coffee to take to stop closure of this Man in the North-Eastern Part of t.ie Power Small Industry? country. THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE, (b) Coffee Board’s report indicates CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPK- that it should be possible to bring the RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): following additional areas under coffee (a) to (d). There is no information re cultivation:__ garding the closure of hand processing units. The differential in the excise Assam . 8000 Hectare; duty between the hand processed cloth Maghalaya and the power processed cloth was . 2000 Hectares considerably narrowed down in the Mizoram . 1000 Hectare;; butget proposals for the year 1977.78. Nagaland A number of representations were re . 1000 Hectares ceived on behalf of hand processors in Manipur . . looo Hectares cluding from Maharashtra Vastra ~Hasta I'hulai Rangai Sangh against Arunachal Pn desh looo Hectrres 6 l Written Answers ASADHA 31. 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 62 (^ ) % Production and Export of Tea 4403. SHRI DHARMA^IR VASI- ^ ^ f^^-q ifR-.TT qr wrr 7^ SHT; Will the Minister of COM I ; ?r'k MERCE AND CIVIL s u p p l ie s AND COOPERATION be pleased to state: (»j) ^'t arrw (a) the position of Tea Industry ^ I ? in our National Economy with spe cial reference to its share in the jnfoTiiT am 5TTnfT*r w k Gross National Product Export Trade («fV ^7t?;5T tTTfrarr) : and Employment; (^) ?TYr (^). ^ ri (b) whether our yield per hectare ^Tfrt t I 5TW ?TT?^fT^ is the highest in the world; and rrai 'P' f^’KPfl' (cj whether the total production a.s well as exports have stagnated; if ^Rft t ^ TrfM'^fOTT tJTR so. the leasons for the same and ^ % %rr steps taken to increase production and exports of tea? I I THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE, AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): Review of Recommendations of six th (a) Contribution of the Tea Industry Finance Commission to the Gross National Product based on 4402. SHRI ANNASAHEB P. auction price is estimated at about SHINDE: Will the Minister of Rs. 640 crores in 1976 or about 1 per FINANCE, and REVENUE AND cent of G.N.P. Export earnings from BANKING be pleased to state whe tea (Rs. 273 crores in 1976-77) repre ther Government of India propose sented about 5.5 per cent of country’s to review the recommendations of total export earnings. About 7.7 lakh the 6th Finance Commission regard labourers are,employed in tea planta ing Central assistance to State Gov tions and nearly a milion workers are ernments in the background of re. estimated to be employed in the tea peated representations or requests trade and its various ancillary indus from the Members of Parliament and tries. 63 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers 64 (b) Among Black tea producing »niTm if ^ coiuitries India has the highest yield per hectare. However, Japan which fvvro produces green tea is having a higher yield rate than India for that type of tea. ^ 4405. «rrf wnco W^T ni5T7 (c) No, Sir. On the contrary the WrTH ^ f:'n % : production and exports have been ris ing steadily in the past few years. As against a production of 456 M. Kgs. in (^ ) WT f^RTT W 1972, production rose to 511.82 M. Kgs- ^ E3TR Sr ftr (ipRra ir) during 1976. Exports and earnings sFarrwr ^ therefrom rose from 198 M. Kgs. valu ed at Rs. 151.14 crores in 1972 to t I 233.61 M. Kgs. valued at Rs. 273 crores ^ Ir I ?r«n JT^ft^rnT in 1976 (provisional). fsn ff ^ !?tt Pay scales of selection grade Audi tors of Indian Andit and Accounts Department ( ’3') ?fr ^ ^ f%3TT ^3n w ? 4404. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will the Minister of FINANCE. a n d r e v e n u e a n d b a n k i n g be pleased to state: (>sfT : ( ^ ) (a) whether it is a fact that the 5 ^ it ?rigTift' it m f^ 'f % ^f^OTcff pay of some of the Selection Grade Auditors of the Indian Audit and ^ I I Accounts Department will stagnate before 10 to 16 years of their retire (^ ) STM -3 ^ I ment; and (b) if so, the reasons therefor and the steps to be taken to redress their Be^ Capacity in Hotels grievances? 4406. SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, Will the Minister of TOURISM AND AND REVENUE AND BANKING CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) As per information available on record some (a) the total bed capacity Jn hotels Selection Grade Auditors will stay categorised for foreign tourists at pre at the maximum for 10 years and sent; is it sufficient to accommodate more before their retirement. the present rate of tourist traffic to India; (b) An item “Removal of stagnation in the Selection Grade AuditorsCadre’’ (b) the number of new beds that came up for discussion in the last could be increased in private and meeting of the Departmental Council; public sectors during the past three Indian Audit and Accounts Depart years; and was their number in con ment, and was remitted to a Commit sonance with the expected increase in tourist traffic; and tee of the Council for further conside ration. The Committee has since been (c) whether there is a proposal to appointed and its recommendations are grant more licences for more hotels awaited. to be built in private sector and whe^ 65 WriUen Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 66 ther Government propose to give in chased by Indian Airlines are givin'g centive 1?o those who come forward in satisfactory service. this direction? (b) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURSHOT- Officers gone on deputation to Public TAM KAUSHIK): (a) The information sector undertakings relating to hotel accommodation is maintained on the basis of hotel rooms 4408. SHRI SHEO NARAIN: Will and not hotel beds. Accordingly, there the Minister of FINANCE AND RE are at present 16,771 rooms in appro VENUE AND BANKING be pleased ved hotels in the country as against to state: the estimated requirement of 25,500 rooms by the end of the ^ifth Five (a) whether any guidelines have Year Plan. been laid down for the retirement of Officers of the various All-India Ser (b) During the past 3 years, viz., vices who secure deputation to the 1974-75 to 1976-77, 3,516 rooms could various Public Undertakings like Fer be added in the private sector, and 776 tilizers Corporation of India, Indian ro'oms in the public sector. As such, Telephone Industries Ltd., and others the construction of hotels at certain a year or two before their superan places like Delhi and Bombay has not. nuation; kept peace with the increase in the flow of tourist traffic to these centres. (b) if so, the salient features there of; and if not, the reasons therefor; (c) The Central Department of To urism approves hotel projects wTiich (c) whether these officers continue conform to the prescribed minimum to remain in service beyond their re standadrds. Such approvals are given tirement age of 58 years to 60 years as and when project proposals are re and even after that thus giving them ceived. In order to encourage cons the benefit of more years of service; truction of hotels in the private sector (d) the names of Officers of the various incentives are given by way of Indian Audit and Accounts Service fiscal relief, financial assistance in the who managed to go on deputation to form of institutional loans, priority the Undertakings like the Fertilizers consideration for essential require Corporation of India in 1973 and 1974, ments, etc. one or two years before their retire ment; and (e) the steps Government propose Airbus Services to take to stop this malpractice and remove the disparity of retirement age 4407. SHRI RAMAN AND TIWARY: between the Government service and Will the Minister of TOURISM AND that under the Public Sector Under CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state; takings? (a) whether airbuses purchased re THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND cently are not givirg satisfactory ser REVENUE AND BANKING fSHRI H. vice; and M. PATEL): (a) to (c) and (e). Gov ernment policy applicable to deputa- (b) if so, the reasons therefor and tionists from all Central Government steps proposed to be taken' in this re services to Central Government enter gard? prises, including those from the All- India Services, requires them to exer THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND cise an option either to be permanently CIVIL AVIATION fSHRI PURUSHO- absorbed in the enterprises within two TTAM KAUSHIK^; (a) Airbu-.« pur. or three years of their deputation or 67 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 68 revert to their parent Government (a) whether any sample survey was Cadres. Those who are absorbed in carried out in Delhi to ascertain the posts carrying a pay scale of Rs. 2500 prices of various essential commodi and above are allowed to draw pay ties of daily consumption from retail in the scale of the post held by them shops in various parts of Delhi; and in the enterprises plus Governir.ent (b) if not, whether Government pension, if the deputation is before propose to do so and when? one year of superannuation in Gov ernment. Similarly, in lower posts THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE, the benefit of pay plus pension is al AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE lowed to those whose deputation com RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA); mence with atleast three years before (a) and (b). Whilst no specific sample retirement from Government. survey was carried out in Delhi to ascertain the prices of various essen After absorption the officers become tial commodities of daily consumption employees of the enterprises and are from retail shops in various parts of governed by the rules of the enterpri Delhi, the Delhi Administration col ses in respect of retiremnt age. In lects the retail prices of essential con.- most of the enterprises the age of re modities on weekly basis from impor tirement is 58 years as in the Central tant markets of Delhi. Government. In some enterprises the superannuation age differs for different Airport tax and entry fee at Airports categories of staff due to operational requirements e.g., Indian Airlines and 4410. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- Air-India. There are also some other DIA: Will the Minister of TOURISM cases where the age of superannuation AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to is different due to the rules of the en etate: terprises. Extension/re-employment beyond the ape of retirement will be (a) the date from which Interna regulated by the Company rules. These\ tional Passengers are made liable to rules are also, in most cases, based on pay Rs 20.00 instead of Rs. 15.00 Government rules. However, for em airport tax and similarly the visitors ploying a person beyond the age of 58 made to pay Rs. 2.00 instead of Rupee years in a post carrying a pay scale of 1.00 as entry fee at the airpnrts; Rs. 2500— 3000 and above, th" enter prises are required to obtain Govern (b) how rr.uch excess income has ment approval been derived by way of the increased rates of tax and entry fee at all air (di Af'cording to information obtain ports conccrned from the date of in ed, only two officers from the Indian creased rates upto 30th June, 1977; Audit and Accounts Service, who were (c) the author iTres competent to to retire within two years of their make and enforce this rule; and joining, went on deputation to pub lic enterprises in 1973 and 1974. One (d) what additional improvements of them went to the Fertilizers Corpo- have been made at these airports to raiton of India and the other to the facilitate the visitors nnd passengers Heavy Engineering Corporation. after these extra charges? THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND Survey in Delhi to ascertain the prices CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHO- of essential commodities TTAM KAUSHIK): (a) Passenger Ser vice Fee is collected at the Interna 4409. SHRI S. G. MURUGAIYAN: tional Airports, at Bombay, Ca'cutta, Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND Delhi and Madras. The fee was raised CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA from Rs. 15 to Rs. 20 with effect from TION be pleased to state: 1-2-1977. The Airport Admission Fee 69 WHiten Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 70 at these airports was raised from Re. 1 in regard to the request received from to Rs. 2 with effect from 1-6-1970. the newly formed association for grant (b^ Extra income derived by way of of recognition are being looked into. increased rates is as follows: Passenger Service Fee: Rs. 25 lakh (Approxi.) Airport Admission Fee: Rs. 34 lakh (Approxi.) 4412. sft : fqr jrifirgq (c) Under Section 17(1)(b) of the Internationa] Airports Authority Act, 1971, the International Airports Autho rity may with the previous approval of the Central Government charge fees ( ^ ) TRTFTPT or rent for the amenities given to the passengers and visitors at any airport. f w w ; The rule is enforceable by the Inter national Airports Authority of India, ^ (d) The following improvements have been made to facilitate the visi tors and passengers at the inter national airports: (i) Modifications/extensions have been carried out to the existing ter minal buildings to provide more pas senger facilities areas. ConstvuL'tion t ’ of International Complex has com ^rfuTHi menced at Bombay airport. («ft ;rt5?T : (ii) The baggage conveyor systems have been improved. ( ^ ) I I (iii) Alrconditioning has been' augmented. ( ^ ) ^T5fr% 5T^T ^fr^rr (iv) Improved Public Address sys fsra-ir f, srig ^ tem has been provided at Bombay flT c | ^ ^ and Delhi Airports. Closed Circuit Television has been introduced at ^rmEpJT, ^ ^ srirT ^ Delhi Airport. ^ SPT im r ?TTf^ TT 5F«Tpft ^ ir? I ^ TTO Recognition to A.Gs Office Employees’ ^rtNh", «(f 7'j|i|JT-?T5’T5r^, T o 3n N t, Union Trivandrum ?n:^, ?TR f 4411. SHRI B. K. NAIR: Will the rPTT ^ f'f'Mtcf Minister of FINANCE AND REVE ^ ^iTRfr I I NUE AND BANKING be pleased to state: whether Government propose (Tf) to grant recognition to the A.Gs. Office ^qrjff ^ ^ f : Employees’ Union, Trivandrum? srfTr^nr ^;rJT^JTf THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND « rr# PT REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. 5 M. PATEL): Various issues involved f^vii I F?»t>fa'rT 71 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers *RTW f^RTT)’ T^*r P m ?ft *rf, 5faT iTTwnff sr tt, 5!fhT ^ W I :— f^r^f if ^ strt cnrr % f%ir5TT/^B^I fjrf’ERT 'Tfri)^nT=TT n3 -^rrr t i fTTJ q-?:iqT-ir«T^ 'iTT^V ?fFTW ^ TfV- 4413. >sft *RtfT 5TT?T : ^ ^ iTWIcT ?TT^7JT^r?Tr?ff ?T»n THTF^ i??^r ^ ^ % %cr ^ sq-^fSTT ^>7 f% : I I f^fsTG?: ?r^?PT % sr^cTJTW ^ sir^^rr ^ ^rf %, ^ 7o WT7I 'ff? ^ *ft T^JT (^) ^ 1973 ^ ?TT3r 5T»T'fl-q' jr? ^ r(r t^ jt ^ ^ ?Rr STF^T | f ?rk I I 1 9 7 6 -7 7 if fe R l- fwt^T JTRT f f ; ?fk ^r^Rcrr ^ Tifsr ^?rfr IT Jif 7ii% ^ ?R R Wf^cr TTqr f f JfT W 5TT^ ( ^ ) e^WcH STF^T ?jfifr ^ f^ a tf^ HfcAi'MHiii'f qrr g-?FTrTr't ?Ti^ ^fjff ^ ifn r ftrzTT w ; %(K irf? ^ff, rfr ^ w ^KT '4, 197 2 -7 3 if, ^T5C<»r I 5?k f*T it ( ^ WUT ?T5Tir 'TT JTST ^ f%ir 5TT T f t ? jpjft % ^ ) sgtrf^rf »rf irf^^'arcH^ ?nTffFg-^r jftf^r, *f irsTf'^t^ ^ 3N^ % ^<37 ^ fN ^ lf ^T ?rf^JT ^ fim ?T«n TTin^ wTt ir-fft ^ T Jr spfMr^qt, n ^3'T^f, («ft Ijfro q»To : (^) ftr^ &T7T 5crk sF^ iTFT sFtJrcff Jf «nrl’ 1 9 7 3 -7 4 % 1 9 7 6 -7 7 ^ f^eftJT jfrrfe I %<-5 ^ »raT t % ^ ^ f^Rrft f^sfhr *T3f)<(cfc\ 55R ^r ^5ft ^ ^ »r| I I ^TfiimT ^ ferr jrt srk ftre?T 5RT % frTt^ ^ f^ ; »tc^ 73 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 74 ^ ^ ^ ^ TTftr ’pfk ^ ( ^ ) 5TRr % (H*(Tn ^ *RT ^t>T ^ iiHd % ^'TzfhT ^ g«TT arriiTT % vV ^ f?Tiffa ^ *TffT wra nU s r r n f sn% ^iFft srf^sur 4414. >ST> « p f? m *T®T : ^ 4 4 1 5 .«ftf5 ^ 5 ft«rft ; (?ir) ?=TO % f?Tqt=T % iTcTT 4(^yir^ •w Rr'"Tl ^ ^ -fk rftP ff ^ i< T lW srrfoTsiT ?rtT ?rfiT% % ?ft ^TIT^T 9TWnX («ft *Tt^ ^ T ^ ) : ?T^+lO (^) fw ^ ^ ^r 5RT ^ t I ^ ■3rqrfeT ^rn? Jr % frq irr ^ >rf Hi Mfdgl^T 4416. SHRIMATI PARVAIHI KRISHNAN: WiU the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to 1 97 4 -7 5 . 70 HPdMid state: _ 19 7 5 -7 6 . . 85 5T%?l^(a) whether Government have taken 1976-77 ($Frf^) 703jfro^ the decision to import oilseeds in large quantity this year; (b) if so, the reasons thereof; and ( 5Tf?m?Rn fg- ?mjp: -r ?TR?t »t| (c) how far this is likely to affect ^ f^ ?rn? ^ 5 0 srftrvTW ^ ^ the supply and price position of edible 5rn? ^ ^ ^ 85 oils in the country and Government’s srfwFRT ^ T?: ^ ^ ^ I ) I reaction thereon? 75 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers 76 THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE Direct Taxes to audit income-tax re AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE ceipts or refunds. It will, therefore, RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): be a breach of the secrecy provisions (a) to (c). There is no proposal of section 12 to'furnish the name and to import edible oilseeds: neceSsary other particulars of the Chairman of quantities of edible oils are being im the statutory body in Karnataka men ported to bridge the gap b^ween de tioned above. mand and supply. No Chairman of any statutory body in Karnataka State has made any de Disclosures by Chairman of Statutory claration under section 14(1) and/or Bodies in Karnataka 15(1) of the Voluntary Disclosure of Income and Wealth Act, 1976. 4417. SHRI S. NANJESHA GOWDA: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND Closure of Textile Mills in Gujarat REVENUE AND BANKING be pleas ed to state; 4418. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: WJll (a) whether Chairmen of riilleient the Minister of COMMERCE \ND statutory bodies in Karnataka iiase CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA disclosed their assets and income TION be pleased to state; under the Voluntary Disclosure Sche (a> whether any textile mills ii me; and Gujarat State have been closed do vn (b) if so, the names of these ir.- during the last three years; , dividuals and the values of movahlo (b) the main reasons therefore; .ind and immovable properties including cash so declared? (c) the action taken by Government to re-slart 1hem? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE M. PATEL); (a) and (b). The Chair AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE man of only one statutory body in RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA); Karnataka made a declaration under (a) Yes, Sir. These mills have been sub-section (1) of section 3 of the Vo closed. luntary Disclosure of Income and Wealth Ordinance, 1975. The Volun (b) In the case of two units the main tary Disclosure of Income and Wealth reason for closure has been financisd Ordinance. 1975 (now. Voluntary Dis diflficulties and in the third case the closure of Income and Wealth Act. mills had to close down due to severe 1976) provided for voluntary disclo damage caused by cyclone. sure of income, in cases other than (c) Action is in progress to take cases of search and seizure, under sec over two textile mills for management tion 3 ( 1 ), disclosure of income in cases by the State Government and in case of search and seizure under section o f the third mill, the State Govern 14(1) and disclosure of wealth under ment has initiated the process. section 15(1). So far as declarations under section 3(1) are concerned, sec fCTiT ctTRT (TR f»TW) ?TTT tion 12 stipulates, inter alia, that all particulars contained therein shall be ^ f T sRnrr treated as confidential and no public servant shall disclose them except to 4419. ?TTgr»ft >TTf : ^ any officer employed in tKe execution cT*TT of any of the Acts mentioned in sub ^ w n ^ ; section (1) of section 8, or the Wealth- tax Act or to any officer appointed (^) (t m - by the Comptroller and Auditor Gene ral of India or the Central Board of m 1975 ^ 1977 77 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 7 8 of the workers, though some mills are reported to be in arrears in the matter ’13TT; *?lV of payment of dues in respect of their employees and in such cases the au ( ^ ) 1 975 % 1 977 rT^ thorities concerned are to take suita sn-J- 1 :^ 5 - f^«?rT ?rfy-frr ble action. gr-sr sr^'R- 'tt frrFTT f^crffT HfTf«r?J7 3WT m nftv w k H^WITfTfTT *T3ft (>sft « n f ^ ) : 4421. TTo *T5r?t 1975 1 1 6 fi JTB ?r f*T5T-f^w ^ f?r ’. 9 /■ >' 5 08 »lt5 19 7 7 ( TT'T3"^T-^n ) <^1 9 3 m %=Ff|- tt5t ^ »rf t ; I "i ) i' t:.-'r n r^ t Tv Tr ?r' '^T I ( ^ ) 'JT 5?rrqTT fqr | ? Payment of the dues of the Workers cf rT«TT ^f?T Sick Units in Textile Industry («ft ilTfTiTT) : 4420. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: ( ^ ) ^PT % Wili the AlinisUr (,i COMMP^RCE AND frr frpTi JTrr (Tq ifVT’-) % feffR % Cl\'iL SL'PPl.IES AND COOPERA- T'ON Ije .oloasoil I0 state: ■^»3T -sirTr H, ii'j'TT ^ ^ I Tf. (;> : whother a lai'sc number nl workers lielonpin,:^ to thi' sick uniis in tho Te.xtiie iii'Ili.kIry have been deni .’'! fTTTT TJ JTIWr ■SO far their legitiniLito dues from r'ld by their erstwhile owners: (srniftrT) (b) if fo, the broad detaii.s thereof; an(’; 1 9 7 5 -7 6 29,58,094 39. 88 (C) whether Government propose ‘c, 1 9 7 6 -7 7 27,48,6 1 9 41 . 86 arrange for sueh payment of the dues and if so, how? THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE (’I) PT!Ttci--7fT ^'T ^ srtc^n^ RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) to (c). A large number of textile t I i)r mills have faced financial difficulties ori n Trrfjr^ I sf^srPT^ff account of high cotton prices. How ft’T:.- JTrTrf^rar ever, Government is no aware whether mills have denied the legitimate dues ^ % srFcrr?if«nf3?r 79 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers 8o ^T^vfr^r 37^ ^ fTTT ^ i r 3TT T ? t I ^ J T ^ lr % f?rCT ; tr^ oznq^ sffwir % 'srf^ ?TT£rR 5'^rnn ( ^ ) ^ ir ?tY^ ^T -’tn’farT srr TfT I I ^ w R f ^ i%^rt I ; (>J) ?TRrT ^ ?9ff 5Ft ?rrJT^r 5t ^ f t fTT f?rirf^ ^'rar | =rl?r 4 4 2 2. «ft Tnnft 5Tm g»T5T : m j Wh ^riR fwqPTH I^T 1%in ^Wf ; 5fTt fTTF f% : (n ) ftc»rr^ ift^;n55ff ( ^ ) ^THTTr it JTT'^ 742:^ ^rr siftTT 5RT I ? I ; srtr (J i) q -^ 5fr*fV ?rnTTT ir q-q-?^ ^rfoTJiT H«n ^r^rfT^ ? r k ^TTT^f % r^i|- q r ilT ^ ?TTJTTf^fr 5=r55PffTcTT («ft «TTfTOT) : ^T^TT «TT ? (^) ^f'TR % VTTf % ^rn^R ^ ir Tq^^ ? fk ^T»TT faWTSTiT ^ 1 7,556 t I T?riT 3783 t (sft g^isft^ <¥\Tm) : (^) 'nft srrfir? t, m ^jr ^ ' f % Jr 'T^h-q- f^*TR 3TTT ?T^ii'Tf?^ 3 1 5Ti=^^ ?rq% WfT fVrlfvFT WTT^ | t f ^ ^ 'T^?T I ?r«T^ f, I { ^ ) ?rnrTT Jr ?rnr rr^ ^ »rrf? s ifw ir snrntfsrar (»?) tT^ k I »Tir I I (»r) >T3i^^ % f?r^ ?rnTT^ "fff^ % ^ftfyirf % ^T ni^id+ ^ Orq^cT ^ri % 'TTTT t ?TT% 4423. «r> ^ : % tT^o55fTo?to JT?3T % 2 5 ff^ ^ ^^J «nfoT5a rTsn JTtnfT^ ^ffr ^ ^ % snqTrT 5rf^f^ fTT^ I I fw5R»r}' 1973-74, 1974-75 rTm 1975-76 «P 9>rr^ ^T f^f^T (^rar f^oiTTo if ^ JT^CN ^o it) / 1 9 7 3 -7 4 1 9 7 4 -7 5 1 9 7 5 -7 6 in ?T^nPitfl M 5,400 61,948 11,200 1,34,018 5,770 76,708 !Tr^f?T^T 1,191 16,372 30 645 347 6,919 1,721 33,618 4,858 76,838 8i Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written A nsvoert 82 1 ' 2 3 4 5 6 7 144 6,166 130 7,366 155 6,723 +HT8r 419 9,5 74 731 20,695 600 20,133 — - — 37 3,742 - - 1,769 23,790 5,183 1,29,821 19,485 3,77,793 64 2,136 124 5,803 764 20,151 200 3,781 160 2,319 2,535 48,717 - --- 150 4,275 34,680 7,64,376 36,154 9,28,713 38,929 1 1,34,633 170 2,650 1,487 35,583 5,663 1,95,508 1,163 15,425 49 680 8,036 84,794 894 19,925 1,132 28,959 1,175 30,150 vrrf 1 1 323 -- 10 384 +'t:1K 1,260 18,879 175 5,000 659 14,265 18,951 4,18,789 19,733 4,24,568 22,249 5,94,345 3,285 76,826 4,796 1,19,796 7,162 2,32,751 1,823 35,409 4,396 1,16,575 2,795 86,293 199 6,235 228 5,267 - — - - 160 4,000 -- 48 768 - - - - 70 3,4 7 1 - - -- 53 860 105 1,700 — — 72,141 14,96,632 87,731 20,08,868 120,955 30,04,461 Search of Bank Officer’s Flat THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. 4424. DR. BAPU KALDATY; Will M. PATEL); (a) to (c). There was a the Minister of FINANCE AND RE news-item in the Bombay Edition of VENUE AND BANKING be pleased to the “Times of India” dated the 18th state; June, 1977 regarding the search of two flats of an Officer of a Nationalised (a) whether attention of Government Bank. The Central Bureau o f Ini- has been drawn to the news item pub vestigation has, in this connection, re lished in “Times of India” Bombay ported that it had registered in March, edition dated 18th June, 1977 regard 1977 a case against Shri B. M. Rele! ing search of bank officer’s flat; an Officer of Dena Bank and in the course of its investigation, it had sear (b) if so, who is the officer and to ched two flats belonging to Shri B. M. which bank he belongs to; and Rele. According to the Central Bu reau of Investigation, the Officer was (c) how much amount the CBI found to possess assets worth nearly found in his flat? Rs. 5 lakhs. 83 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 8^ ^f 7?>5rr^ % f?rq ?r«Tr$?iT ^ r f ^5¥T, ^ j V ^v5rrtT ^ 3Trr^ rfiTT ?T^gr^.=T ITTirrfrT ( ^ ) rft T3ft?r% % sq rw r V ff4^nrt ^Wsff %7jqrrqr 40 T l^ if |iT sqfif^riRT »mr?rf f!Tr ^ >rf t ?rq-^ >pt 44 2 5. ^ HifhTTeT ; fTF qiJffJT ^ t ? wH 5TnR Or»TnrT ^ frrr ^ % : »T 5,c’"r>ij^SI^. ?TTf? (»r) ?tIt (^ ).5 fy , gr I I ?jt?: ^-ir II % TT ^ ^ ^3n% ^nf % % 5tn?D- f i ^ ^ 1% ^JT?HT5ff ^ Tsqr | ; jf%f^ ^ I it 'T^mffT % f=rV f w t I ?iT^^Ercr ^ ( ^ ) ^ sr^rgi^ar ^nfr f^Rirf rr ^ q-tft ^’T^^rr % 5 Po T ^ f'TJJT II % K7 it ?r^ %^?ft I : ^sfFTT^r % q'r^ %i(- t, ( it) ^qr 7 f t ^TorVqr ^ ^ ^7% 3|t?t f'^zr I it 'KTvl.% ^TiJjr^fT ^rfs- ^T^rrPT % f.^ ?r TT fT ^ fw ^ 'TTflT I ( ^ ) m r (jf). ? r ^ , 1966 it z ^ „ ^ t>r%f: fbrfrirq- ^ q^ ^ ^?tjrrt^Tif i ^riftt?^t^rr ? f^’q: ^ 'tR u iw h m m ^1- +'^Hii<) z ^ , ^ ?rw % 'W t?: ?r^ 11 frimr f^TRT r?;^ ir ^ % q^ ^ rr^ h w ? m ^ Jr % 3rr% ott ?m gf^ 3R-3rr% % ^jNrfwf ^Ft ?twr snrR | : ^ ^0 Hcf-flH- r^tlKT 'ff^clfV'ti' ffWT mrffiTrT ^Tff % ^4^'i Rij7 HWI # ? t w r 1 2 3 4 5 i p r g f ^ ST'i^f^a 'jflfd 'jlVfv^lPd 1. =^mj5h '?ft’ 4 4 —— 2. ^ . 1 1 — — 3. nbd<‘ w%f^^ . 14 ^ I - 8 \ 1 — ^ I n • ^ 1 1 - 3 J «5 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 86 2 3 4 5 4. ^ I 12 I - 1 2 - . 11 $ ^ n - i j 5. 7 3 - - 6. 4 - - - 7. . 2 2 -- 8 . . 2 2 - - 1 1 - — 1 0 . 5^^ ft'H'H . 2 — —— Rise in the Prices of Onion (a) the total number of aircraft pur chased from the Boeing Company. 4426. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL U.S.A. during the period 1971 to March, REDDY: Will the Minister of COM ■20, 1977; MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to state: (b) total value of such purchases; (c) who are the Indian agents/re (a) whether there has been steep presentatives of the U.S. Boeing Com rise in the prices of onion in the re pany; cent past; and (d) whether purchases were mad* (b) if so, the reasons therefor and through the Indian agents of th2 com steps taken to check the rise? pany; and THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE (e) if so, what are the details of tiie AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE agreement in this regard between the RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): then Ministry of Tourism and Civil (a) There has been increase in the Aviation and the Indian agents of the prices of onions’ TrTThe recent past. U.S. Boeing Company? THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND (b) The recent increase in the prices CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- o f onions is partly due to the seasona SHOTTAM KAUSHIK); (a) Indian lity factor, and partly because of short Airlines have purchased thirteen air f a l l in yield in Maharashtra, which craft from Ihe Boeing Company, U.S.A. is the main producing State of onions. and have placed orders for three more. The onion crop was also damaged in Air-India have purchased five aircraft some other producing areas on' account from this Company and have placed of untimely rains in March and April, order for two more. 1977. To ease the situation, the ex ports of onions were stopped from (b) US $ 89,136,336 for Indian Air May 13, 1977 lines US $ 196.243 million for Air- India. Aircraft purchased from BoHng: Com (c) to (e). All purchases were nego. pany, U.S.A. tiated by Indian Airlines and Air-India directly with the Boeing Company and 4427. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: not through any agent. Indian Air WIU the Minister of TOURISM \ND lines have, however, reported that they CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: are aware of the following Indian «7 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 88 Consultants/Advertising Agents of the AND REVEUNE AND BANKING be Boeing Company— pleased to state; (a) whether there is any proposal (i) Maneckji Aviation, Bombay. to separate the accounts from audit of (ii) Consalium Limited, Delhi and the Accountant General Offices of Bombay. different States; (iii) National Advertising, Bombay. Cb) if so, the details thereof and steps taken thereon; and Air-India have reported that M /s Piliman Aircraft Company, Bombay (c) what steps have been taken to are the consultants of the Boeing safeguard the interest of workers cvhen Compary in India. the bifurcation takes place? Arrears of Wealth-tax in Orissa THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL); (a) Section 10 4428. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the of the Comptroller and Auditor Gen Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE eral’s (Duties. Powers and Conditions AND BANKING be pleased to state: of Service) Act, 1971 as amended in (a) whether Government are aware April 1976, empowers the Governor of that wealth-tax arrears involving huge a State 1o take over, with the previous amounts remain uncollected-annually approval of the President and after due to manipulations by the large In consultation with the Comptroller and dustrial houses; Auditor General of India accounting functions from the ComptroUer and (b) if so, the names and number cl Auditor General of India and thus such cases particulary in the State of separate accounts from audit. Against Orissa; and the background of the departmentalisa tion of accounts in the Central Minis (c) the steps Government have taker tries, the Government of India wrote or are proposed to be taken to recover to the State Governments in Novem these arrears? ber, 1976, suggesting the implementa tion in the States of the similar reform THE MINISTER OF FINANCE of separation of accounts from audit. AND REVENUE AND BANKING It was left to the State Governments (SHRI H. M. PATEL); (a) It is pre to take the initiative and send to the sumed that the Hon. Member is refer Central Government comprehensive ring to uncollected wealth-tax arrears proposals covering technical, adminis in cases of “large industrial houses” trative and personnel aspects connect as compiled by the Industrial Licensing ed therewith. Policy Inquiry Committee. These cases comprise of limited companies only. (b) Proposals for separation of ac In none of these cases are there counts from audit received from arrears of Rs. 25,000/- or more as on Haryana, Tamil Nadu and Maharash 31-3-1977. It may, however, be men tra are under consideration in consul tioned that limited companies are not tation with the Comptroller and Auditor assessable to wealth-tax from the General of India. assessment year 1960-61 and onwards. (c) While according approval of the (b) and (c). Do not arise in view of Government of India to the proposals the reply to (a) above. sent by State Governments for sep aration of accounts from audit, it will Separation of Accounts from Audit be ensured that the existing terms and conditions of service as well as scal^ 4429. SHRI N. SREEKANTAN of pay of the staff in the Audit Depart NAIR: Will the Minister of FINANCE ment are satisfactorily safeguard m 89 W ritten Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 90 I the event of their transfer to the State (c) whether these projects of World Goveniment. The Comptroller and Bank are expected to be beneficial t'j Auditor General of India will also be the country and if so, the facts thereof? consulted in each case, before accord ing approval by the Central Govern ment. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). A World Bank aid for Agricultural Re statement relating to the disbursements construction in India. made since 1st April, 197.'^ by World Bank and its soft lending affiliate, the 4430. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: Internaiional Development Association, Will the Minister of FINANCE AND for agricultural and allied sectors is REVENUE AND BANKING be laid on Ihe Table of the House. Terms pleased to state: and conditions in regard to these (a) how much money World Bank credits are also indicated in the state ment. has given to each State for Agricultu ral reconstruction in India since 1973; (c) Yes; Sir. Worid Bank Group (b) what are the salient features of Assistance is beneficial as, besides pro these agreements and terms of repay viding foreign exchange support, it ment of loans; and also supplements domestic savings. Statement Sta:e - 'ir v n g .l .barNements m ide against World Bank Loans/IDA Credits for Agricultural and Allied Sector from 1-4-1973 to 31-3-1977. SI. Name of the Project Rate Per U tilis Covers ge No. of iod ation Inte of dur ng rest Loan 1-4-73 to 31-3-1977 I 2 3 4 5 6 INTERNA TIONAL DEVELOPMEN T ASSOCIATION *** I Kadana Irrigation . . . i % 50 yrs. 23-30 Gujarat 2 Gujarat Agr'cultural Credit Projcct . 8-23 Gujarat 3 Punjab Agricultural Credit Project . ) ^ 19 43 Punjab 4 A.P. Agri. Credit Project ? ^ 12 08 Andhra Pradesh 5 Hirym i Ag-iculmral C sJ't ' ) » J 20-49 Haryi'na 6 T im 1 Nadu Ag;i. Credit Project . • i » 25 06 Tam il Nadu 7 CicHin Fertiliser . 1 1 18 14 ’ — 8 Wi3at Stor.’8- • I 26 U P, Punjab 9 Poi'iimpad Irr'gAtion J1 » » 24 79 Andhra Pradesh ••• IDA Credits do not cirry any interest but only a servicc charge of J%, Grade period is 10 yrs.| 9i Written Answers J U L Y 22, 1977 Written Answers 92 I 2 3 4 5 6 10 Mysore Agricultural Cr. Project . 50 yrs . 34-68 Karnataka II Gorahpur Fertiliser . )) 33 937 12 Miharashtra Agricultural 9J 33 25 39 Mrhcrashtra 13 Bihar Agricultural Markets >5 3 3 2-74 B ihrr 14 Nangil Fertiliser . . . J ? 3 3 58 00 15 Mysore Agricultural Whole-sale . . 3 ) 3 ' 0 68 Karnat; ka Market i6 Midhya Pridesh .Agricultural . 53 33 00 Mr dhya Pr. desh 17 U. P. Agricultural Credit Project . . 33 2 4 5 1 U . P. 18 B'hu Agricultural Cradit Project . > ) » » 13 47 B'har 19 H.P. Apple Project . 3 3 1.27 H. P. 20 Trombiy Fert'liser-POIP Programme 5 5 2 5 '37 21 K-imitaka D :iry Development » 1 3 3 0 19 Karnati-.ka 22 Rajasthan Cinil Command Area . 3> 3 3 24 S5 Rrjc; th: n 23 M idhya Prade-.h D iary Development 1 '< 33 0 29 M.P. 24 Rijasthan Diary Dsvelopment yt 3 1 0-27 Rajasrhan 25 S'ndri Fertiliser . i} 3 3 53 51 26 Drought Pron* Area Project . S 3 4 76 Knrnatpka. A. Rino^thrn, Maharashtra. 27 Goda ari Banage . 3 3 33 9 94 Andhra Prsdesh. 28 Ag"'cultiiral Rcfin?ncc & Development 'Corporation-I. .... 35 33 37 38All-Ind^a 29 W.st B;ngil .Agricultural 1 3 3 3 2 05 We^t Bengal 30 Cnmbal C^mmind Area Development . 3? 2 51 M?dhya Prsdcsh 31 Rural Elec:r fi:n'on 1 5 3 3 I 06 All-India 32 Fer:iliser Industry . . . . 1 3 3 3 7 00 • • (A) Total of IDA Cred'ts : 524'07 IBRD (WORLD BANK PROJECTS) 33 Tiirai Seeds . . . 6i% 30 yrs. 6 15 U . P. 34 Cnmbil C^mmind Area. . . . 7i% 25 y « . lO II R'jjasthan (B) Total World Bank Loans : 16-26 Grand Total of(A)+(B) 540-33 ••• IDA C-ad'ts do nit cjrry any interest but only a service charge of |% , Grace period is 10 yrF. 93 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 94 Hotel Projects In Public Sector project and the target dates fixed for their completion? 4431. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND AVIATION be pleased to state: CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). (a) the number of hotel projects The revised Annual Plan of the India approved by Government to be set up Tourism Development Corporation, a during 1977-78 in public sector in diffe public sector undertaking, for the year rent parts of the country; and 1977-78 includes provision for 3 ac commodation projects as detailed (b) the amount involved in each below • Nime of the project E';Timated Target d^te of Co'^t complct'cn TRs. I'n lakhs': r. Rvrc'n '<^'n of Qntab H re’ , Nc'w Delh' by adding a new 70 00 November 1977 block of <0 rooms. 2. Rxp'^n'^'on '■f T-iv?iier'; Lodtj? ^t Bhubaneshwar by r,dd'- 4000 December 1977 t'on-of 2^ d luble rooms, 2 suites, ;i restaurant and a confcr- c nct' rorm. 3. Recep'^'-'n Centrc-cum-llotcl ^t Jaipur . 96 00 F 'r '- t phpve ccmrr'^- ing Reccpr'on Cen tre during 1977-7R nnd the 'ccrnd ph;"t‘ con'istirg < f new blrck of 44 rooms by M.'Mxh 1979. ’ Alleged Corruption in H C and (ilC THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING 4432. !;HRI SHANKERSINHJI VAG- (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Yes, Sir. HEIA: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING be I"!!) The article contained several pleased to state: allogaiions about under-writing and financial irregularities committed by (a) Whether bis attention has been the nalionalised insurance undertak invited to the reports published in the ings. The main allegations are sum- Blitz dated the 14th May. 1977 under mari.sed below; — the heading ‘L.I.C. & G.I.C. in Insu rance of Corruption’ : GIC & its subsidiaries. (b) the reaction of Government thereon and whether any inquiry has (i) As during the 1971 elections, gen been ordered or proposed to be orderd eral insurnnce companies were instru into the working of the LIC AND GIC: mental in the supply of a large number and of jeeps to the Congress Parly for its camprign during the recent elections (c) the action taken or proposed to (when more than 1,500 jeeps were be taken against the officers responsi supplied to the Congress from different ble in these two organisations .'or ;sources on hire-purchase or bank financing the Congress? guarantee policies). The companies 95 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 96 Eanctioned generous insurance cover 2. Regarding allegation (1) Bank for jeeps without proper guarantee. guarantees to hire-purchase finance companies are being issued by the In Ui) The “ jeeps were insured with surance companies in the normal course the payment of cash premiums and also of business in accordance with the cover notes were issued without the guidelines issued by the GIC, and tKe receipt < f such premiums, violating all companies did not issue any fresh norms and regulations” . New India credit covers for bank facilities at the Assurance Company Ltd. (a subsidiary election time. of the General Insurance Corporation of Inrlia) had insured 320 jeeps “pre 3. Reciardivg allpgation (H): Under miums for which may or may not have the law. risk can be assumed only after been paid". Premium for insurance of the premium is paid (by cash/cheque 170 out of these was paid by a single etc.). or a bank guarantee for the pre cheque and the remaining 150 jeeps mium furnished, by the insured. All were insured in a single Unit (Moti- the jeeps were insured in accordance mahal Unit) of the company. with these provisions and no norms were violated. (iii") The GIC gave a guarantee of Rs. 15 lakhs to M /s New Mahalaxmi During the first quarter of 1977, Finance Company of Kolhapur in which M /s Mahindra & Mahindra Ltd., who the son of a big Mnharashira politician are old clients of the New India, placed is a partner. 100 per cent insurance business of their 168 .ieens with that company and paid (iv) New India gave assistance of provisional premium of Rs. 2,62,000 for Rs. 25 lakhs to Jaybharat Investment these insurance by means of 8 cheques Corporation and Motor and General for various amount is as per the diffe Insurance Company. The Chairman of rent lots declared for insurance. The New India happens to be the Chairman Motimahal Unit of the company did not also of both these companies. insure any jeeps during the months of January and February, 1977. L ie 4. Rpgarding allegation No. (iii): The GIC itself does not issue any bank (v) A sum of Rs. 46 lakhs was given guarantee policies and the reference by the L ie to the Delhi Development apparently is to insurances granted by Aulhorily for purchase of a plot of land New India. It is ascertained that New without verifying the title deed. The India did not provide any guarantee land intended to be sold to the LIC did to any concern bearing the name of not in fact belong to the DDA. New Mahalaxmi Finance Company of (vi) A sum of Rs. 2 crores was in Kolhapur. vested by the LIC in DDA bonds with out obtaining the approval of its 5. Regardivg allegations No. (iv): Board. Neither Jaybharat Credit and Invest ment Company Ltd. (referred to in the (vii) A sum of Rs. 25 lakhs was in article as Jaybharat Investment Cor vested by the LIC in shares of M /s poration) nor Motor and General Fin Mohan Meakin Breweries Ltd., to oblige ance Company Ltd. (referred to in the Shri Sanjay Gandhi. article as Motor and General Insurance Company) was given any preferential (viii) A sum of Rs. 25 crores was assistance by New India. It is ,’’ ather- invested by the Chairman LIC in the ed that th(j aforesaid two companies Bank of India in return for the favour did not finfince any jeep during the shown by the bank in dropping pro election time. Further, it is not a fact ceedings against his son-in-law, Shri that the Chairman of New India is Vilas Deshmukh. Chairman of either of these companies. 97 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 98 6. Regardingt allegation No. (v): For by the LIC on 29th June, 1974, when a lot of 500 shares was purchased some years, negotiations between the through a share broker at Rs. 9.90 per L ie and the DDA were under way for share. allotment ol' land to the LIC for a public housing scheme in Delhi. Even 9. Regarding allegation No. (inii): The LIC invested in the ‘Call and tually, on 141h May. 1976 the DDA Participation Certificates’ of the Bank offered land admeasuring 40 hectares of India in accordance with its normal of land in Patpar Ganj area at Rs. 12 investment practice. Funds of the LIC awaiting investment through re per sq. metre and requested that the gular channels are kept with all major cost of Rs. 48 lakhs may be deposited banks at Call and Notice deposits (not with it “and thereafter possession of exceeding 14 days) or in the form of the land would be given at the site.” Participation Certificates. The amount so kept are decided on in the light of The L ie processed this offer on the the needs of the banks and no special understanding that DDA had clear, preference is shown to any of the perfect and marketable title to the land banks. (On 12-5-1977, the highest in vestment in Call & Notice deposits and and, on 12-8-76, forwarded to the DDA Participation Certificates were in Bank a cheque for Rs. 46 lakhs towards cost of India, Indian Bank and United Com of 38 hectares of land (the balance of mercial Bank, the total amounts bein^ 2 hectares being retained by DDA for Rs. 28.51 crores, Rs. 22.67 crores and Rs. 18.4C crores respectively). a hotel). Later, from a telex message received by the LIC from the DDA on (c) In view of the position set out in 9-3-1977, and subsequent discussion answer to part (b) of the question,, there is no cause for action against with the DDA the LIC found that the any officer. DDA had till then not acquired title to the land. In the circumstances, it Persons Recruited in Nationalised recalled the deposit of Rs. 46 lakhs. Banks in Orissa 7. Regarding allegation No. (vi): No 4433. SHRI D. AMAT; Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE investment has been made by the LIC AND BANKING be pleased to state: in the Bonds of DDA as alleged. Total the number of persons recruited dur loans of Rs. 2.50 crores were granted ing the last three years in the nationa by the LIC to DDA during the month lised banks in Orissa in different cadres who belong to Scheduled Caste of March, 1977 as per allocation re community? ' ceived by the LIC from Government. The loans were given on the recom THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI mendations of the Investment Commit H. M. PATEL): Recruitment to Offi tee of the LIC and carried Central Gov- cers’ cadre in the public sector banks <>mment guarantee. is generally made on all-India basis. Therefore, information in this res pect for the State of Orissa is not 8. Regarding allegation No. (uii); available separately. Information re I'he allegation is incorrect. Since lating to the Clerical and Subordi 1974, the L ie has not purchased any nate cadres in the State Bank o f India and the 14 nationalised banks, shares of M/s. Mohan Meakin Brewe as furnished by the banks, is given ries Ltd. The last purchase was made in the annexed statement. 1703 LS—4. 99 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers m VO ■§5 c/5 "5 m 00 so U M 0^ \o N I C/5 if i<50 ZJ I O N r^ u Os M VC c/5 «« 13 o h 1 N 0 0 :: s O Wl 00 1» N U o • § 'i i 00 tS u xi u c/» CO Ji< & S: o Ov O 'Cl ~ •§'§ C/5 ^ fc: % S' V a I c 2 « •o c « 1 . ® T CO o £ o o S J/.c n rt C (a n S I ^ A § S § C g. •a 1 1 i3 CO D I l o i "Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers lo a statistics given in the Question cannot vbnniff ^ V be confirmed. (b) The original Budget proposals are to undergo modifications as already 4434. sft ^ indicated to the House in my speech on Tnn^ ?rk ^ ^ the 15th July, 1977. The Government does not propose to abolish the new SPT 1972 ^ 197 5 ¥V ?r^5J revised l e v y imposed on films. %■ f 3r?ff t if ff^T; fJT^srrf, Foreign visits by Central Government Employees for Study Purposes ?fk ?Tf^'T % %■ f^4)K«ti|>T %■ f%5f f+r|H^ 4436. SHRI DURGA CHAND: Will the Minister of FlIfANCE AND RE- H^TTcTT ^ ’rf ? VENt^e a n d BANKING be pleased to state: fam !HTT jifvn »T??fV (n) whether the Central Government {vH IT^ero 1:^0 q$^) ; 7T ^ ?rnfT^T Servants go to foreign countries f >r % 1%IT mTTTRT %--5k HfTWr study purposes under UNDP; 5ffk ?mgnR'f % ^ ir srTrft t i ^ra’: (b) if so, the details of the scheme f N ^ % W?T^T 9iV^'f % ^irTTfT ^ T under which study is undertaken in foreign countries; and fsrmwn: ^T^mr ^ fe n ^ I (c) the number of Central Govern ment Employees in each department, category-wise and country-wise, who availed of these facilities during the Excise Duty of Films last 3 years, year-wise? 4435. SHRI JANARDHANA PO- THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND OJARY: REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). Under Will the Minister of FINANCE be United Nations Development Pro pleased to state: gramme (UNDP), Central Government servants do not generally go to foreign (a) whether Government are aware countries for study of an academic that about 60 feature films produced nature, but are sent abroad for train at the cost of Rs. 2.50 crores are likely ing, study-cum-observation tours, se to be immediately affected by the new minars, conferences etc. that ma.y be levy imposed, thereby giving a crippl required for the implementation of ing blow to the film industry; and specific projects or for the imorovement of functional efficiency of the organisa (b) if so, whether Government are tion concerned. A component for such contemplating abolition of the levy training programmes is built into the imposed on the films? overall costs of individual projects. During the last three years only in one THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND case an AH India Service officer work REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI ing with the Government of Uttar H. M. PATEL): (a) The Government Pradesh was sent for study of an was aware of the fact that the new academic nature under Edward S. ad valorem levy on feature films intro, Mason Programme in Economic De duced through the Finance (No. 2) Bill, velopment at the Harvard University 1977 would have an immediate impact in United States of America, under the on feature films by way of increase in United Nations Development Pro duty incidence thereon. However, the gramme in 1975-76. 103 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers IQ4 Sonctioning of huee amounts by LIC w k ^FIT («ft and GIC to fall the offers of Coni^ress Party during 1977 Lok Sabha «p5q>rnT THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRl PURU- 4438. aft f SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) Yes, Sir, if the aircraft requires a minimum of two pilots for its op-eration. % : (b); If any such case comes to the (^ ) m r notice of the Director General of Civil Aviation, suitable action under the S3 rules will be taken by him. ^ Trr»T^ V! J F i f t T Expenditure on Development of Turist Posts in Bihar (?sr) SPTT ^ it 3TT? 4440. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD VERM A: WiU the Minister of TOURI SM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleas (»r) ^JTT'TfwiT ed to state: ^ it ’FTWR ^ (a) the Central assistance asked by ^ I ? the State Government of Bihar for 105 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers xc6 furthei* development of tourist spots in 5TTRTT ^ the State to attract more tourists, for the year 1976-77; and s m TT f5 r ^ -fw 9 f fwnn niTT «tt i (b) the total amount granted by tiie IT ?TT% % ^'knr Centre and the actual amount spent? THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND ^ t % % ?Tsq^, CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PUi?U- 5T5T ^ % SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) No re quest was received from the Govern ? fk 6V ment of Bihar for Central assistance »mTr53T, jtto for the year 1976-77 for further deve TTTST *{n^4|T ^ *TT I lopment of tourist centres in the State to attract more tourists. (5T) ^ ^ JTrar qr 28,05i (b) Does not arise. g^fTT «r I Rise in the expoirt of handloom cloth fan^ ht^ t 4442. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDARAM: Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND 4441. *TfftTT»T CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA ftRT ^ T vsm w k ^ TION be pleased to state: ^ fTT ^ ; (a) whether the export of handloom cloth have shown an upward treml during recent months; ( t ) 197 7 ^ ^ 5 , 197 7 (b) results of a direction-wise analy sis. if any, made regarding the ypurt in exports; (?j) ^ (c) steps taken to step up the momentum of exports according to the findings of the analysis; (d) whether certain sectors of the (5t ) JTramf q r ’ Handloom Industry are geared to meet the taste and design preferences tnrof^ ^ ^ of the countries demanding our goods; and (^r) ^TrqTwff ^ ^ ^ T * T f? r T ? (e) if so, the particulars of the special efforts taken in this regard? fim H«n Tnr?^ wVr («ft (^ ) THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE (^r): t 24 ^ ^q, w - RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): fsp (a) Yes, Sir. ^ ?FcTf7TT (b) Exports of Handloom products ^ 911 Tm ^ are periodically reviewed by the Hand loom Export Promotion Council. An 1977 % ?(frcnT ^ analysis on the basis of the provisional ^ ^nfsniCT »rnnr i ^ ^ export figures from January to May if w k 5TRT ^ 1977 has shown that exports of towels 107 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers loS and pillowcovers to USA, of lungies to (d) if not, what alternative Govern Malaysia/Singapore, of mulberry silk ment propose to lessen the hardships goods to U.K. West Germany Malaysia/ of the employees’ families who are Singapore, U.S.A. and of tassar silk facing financial crisis due to cut in goods to West Germany, USA and UK their salaries? have increased. THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE (c) to (e): The increase in volume a n d c i v i l s u p p l i e s a n d c o o p e of exports during the last few years r a t i o n (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): speaks of the industry’s capacity to (a) The Bank of India, New meet the taste and design preferences Delhi, has reported that from the pay of the countries importing handloom scroll of the employees it is noticed goods. The industry is further being that out of 2,230 employees working at strengthened and revitalised by way the main branch and New DeUU of increased provisions under the Local Head Office, about 403 are mem Central Plan. A number of export bers of more than one societies of the production projects designed to ad type. just their production as per consumer preferences abroad have been sanc (b) The Bank has since brought tioned by the Government to produce this to the notice of the Registrar ot quality exportable varieties. Apart Cooperative Societies, Delhi, under from these propects, the Handloom whose jurisidiction these societif>s Export Promotion Council is spon operate. soring Sales-cum-Study Teams to explore newmarkets and to introduce (c) The State Bank has no control ov'er the cooperative societies of its new varieties in the existing markets. employees. It is for the members We are also participating in trade fairs themselves to consider amalgamation and exhibitions abroad for promoting of their respective societies volunta exports of handloom goods. rily. (d) With a view to ensure that the S.B.I. employees as members of more pay packets of the employees are not than one Thrift and Credit Co-opera depleted considerably, the State Bank tive Societies. has issued instructions that the total deductions from an employees’s salary 4443. SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGI: may not exceed 25 per cent of his total Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND salary. CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA « TION be pleased to state: Relief Given by States before Dissolu tion (a) whether a large number of em ployees of State Bank of India, Delhi. 4444: SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: H. O., are members of more than one Will the Minister of FINANCE AND thrift and credit co-operative societies REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased of salary earners; to state; (at how much relief was given by (b) if so, what action has been taken the State Governments in the last four or to take by Government for viola months before their dissolution; tion of the provision of the Act; (b> the details of relief and the (c) whether Government propose to amount given by each State overn- advise the State Bank of India to ment; and amalgamate all these societies into one and deduct a uniform instalment from (c) what action has been taken by- their employees; and the Centre over it? 109 Written Answers ASAI>HA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers no THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND flnaocial assistance to the tune ol REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI Rs. 5 crores to reopen the mill. Since H. M. Pa ‘teL): (a) According to in this relief assistance was not readily formation furnished by the State Gov available out of the banking system, ernments, the erosion of resources in the requirement to the extent of 4 1977-78 on account of tax concessions, crores were met in the following relief to employees and other financial manner:— commitments announced by the various (i) A three-year loan of Rs. three State Governments after the finalisation crores from the Development of the State Plans for the current year Assistance Fund of the IDBI; is estimated to be above Rs. 400 crores, of which the nine States where Assemb (ii) A three-year loan of Rs. on«’ lies were dissolved on 30th April, 1977 crore from the State Bank of alone account for about Rs. 32(3 crores. India; (b)A statement is laid on the Table (iii) Both the loans were given of the House. [Placed in Library. against Central and State Gov See No. LT-789/771. ernment guarantee. (c) Central Government has viewe’l In the context of this financial assis this erosion of resources with seriou.H tance, the management of the Binny & concern. These State Government!; Co. has been substantially re-struc have been advised to enforce utmost tured to include representatives of economy in expenditure and to make the landing financing institutions, an earnest attempt to fulfil all the un Central Government and the Govern dertakings given at the time of finali ment of Tamil Nadu, whose officer sation of the Annual Plan 1977-78. has been appointed as Managing Di rector of the Company. The mill re Request for financial assistance from opened on 20th February 1977 Bucking^ham and Carnatic Mills (b) There is no proposal "o take 4445. SHRIMATI V. JAYALAKSH- over the Mill under Government MI: Will the Minister of COMMERCE management. AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO OPERATION be pleased to state: (a) whether Buckingham and Carna tic Mills, Madras had approached Gov ernment for any financial assistance and if so, the nature of assistani^e 4 44 6. : w p w sought; and (b) whether it would be taken over ^ fsF : by Government as sick unit in the near future? (^ ) ^ 7 Ji' wrrdW ’TT^rfr^ ^ 5'ti i if ^nrr t h e m in is t e r OF COMMERCE, AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE tirTcinjpff % arr^ if ^ RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): ■ (a) As a result of unprecedented rains in November 1976. there was extensive (g-) Iff? 5T, m ^ ir damage to the Buckingham and Car natic Mills, Madras under the manage sRTDrfvr ^ ^ ment of Binnys & Co. as a result of which the mill closed down. A request- w%s made to. the Government for I l l Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers 112 fVrT ^iTTTTrftr 1 o 3 ( 1) ( ^ ) w r r m 200.15^r^^o JTf, 1977%?r^^ { 2) fW t=F^ (iifNT^) ^ ) . . . . 11,444,000 'TR^, 1977%3T^JT' { 3) (iMfHcfm')) . . 5 3 , 8 1 5,000 5 T ?R (4) ¥ ra m 9 7^ . ?rNri ^TTf % ?TTHP; ^ w I ?j^>T-?r5nT ozArr ^ iW f^ it 'Tft i ^r*TT BRTrftnff t t PH^rn siTFjr ^ ^ ^ y+'i <. f :— ( 1) (?rfjRT?ft) ’IT^ 5ERfk STR ?T srfdVId ^Tiro { T ) 9 1 ?rtT 'T^T^ ^^r+'T ^ % Hli* STRT TrfST 5. 5 a>5 *1^ ^ jft % +*< % f'Hi' 'JI'MI <,ifi(i 6 . 0 (*T) ^*V ?rftRi ^iPti'i' ^+' ^ %■ 'fiM % 'Jt’*^l llfil 7. 0 '(^r) ^ ?rfipp 3 ^ ^ ^nn ^rftr . 8. 0 (?) ^ifh: ^ 9% $rf^ qt^ ^ ^ g;t qtw 5PT wrfim %■ 5nrr . . . . 9. 0 ( ^ ) t N ' ^ '3RT Trftr , . . 10 . 0 ( 2 ) srf^'^THt (w r^) WTT?fk ^rraKiT ?rf?r^nft ; ?RfH szrrsf ^ SfdVM (T) 15 fV*f ^45 5ftrr Trftr d*^ i ^ 4 5 n?'t % 3nrr ^ 7ri% ^ ^ftfer ^ ^ art ^ ...... 3 .0 (>sr) 4 6 fir^T 9 0 snTT Trftr 9 o fir^r % s r fe ^ ^ ?T^fg- % ^ r TTftr ^ w k ^ r ^ ^ ?T% ...... 3. 5 (»t) 91 fer *ftr *T5t% % ^ Trftr . 4 .0 313 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 114 4. 5 ( ^ ) 9 ?Ttr !Tfsr^%f%?r 1 ^ ^ ^ ^nrr TTftr 5. 0 ( ^ ) 1 ^ 3 ^ ^ > r grf ^ w r fw f , ^SHTT TT% .... 6. 0 ( ® ) 3 w yfy^ 5 ^ ct^ ^ 5 ^ s ii(^ ? r 5RTTr% . . . 8 .0 ( a r ) 5 ^ ^ sTJTr Tjftr . 10 . 0 ?rra giTT w r t?: ^ 1% f^^spfr fr ;s TT^n emmr %>!*? crrn «ng ?Tifirrm ^ T ^?r «Yr 5JTT7TT 5lf?rf5Tq^«T ^^vrfk^T *rt^ m f ^ ) : ( ^ ) , (ji)?ftT (q-): CT^ f^^r qr •?;gT w I I ^ 7TfT ?TOT I 4447. sit jn ro ^'\^rnT :^ at ? m T € t 799/ 77^ TT ?f«n qpif<» «jf?T wh: H ^^Tm *rir |tr f ® 3!Tf^'T ^T TTTSrfvarT f ? m ^ 1:71 ^ ; ir ^tfMtvT sFT srr^ | 1 irf? 3f| W T w n f’=Tirr t €t (sp) TTJir siTTTR ^Tfw wrr ^^rr 1 ^?T5I rW ETT^ oMITT^ if f e r q r ^ sTfdT^yf-w T?: WTO (q ) THilT settttt: f?,-^TT ?rtT ^ I ; ^ smqTT fq-n-iT ^ T^snp>r q ff ^ ' c 2Z>Tf C\ ?T ^ qf«?Tf> (?3 ) t f^FT f^^mfi ^ f ?rk ^ fg v m f ^ ^d'HTK ir ^ %qnfT9ilf TT ^r ^ 1; t fi«n rK fTJrf^=riTt f ^ f n rr f ? m f ^ snpiTT ^qrf'Trr =^JTR- qf^fcnrf iRr f 1 (n ) w ^r T m oqrTK rWT ®mH k f^TTTR Jr ^3^ fHijnwrari ^ ^ sRFiftf ?nn V ^ ^ mwsnvHT ?mfrr 5TO ^ I ; ^i'Vt 4448. «ft 3T«r (^) ^ ^ ^ ^ qTHlr Branches of Nationalised R»iiir« in % ^ ^ vi« ^if»R!7 w*rT ^ w Vt H. M. PATEL): (a) F^iblic sector banks had 422 branches functioning in Orissa ^ O T ) : ( t ) as at the end of April 1977. Of these H ^ T, 1 9 7 5— 1976 cTW: 219 branches were located at rural % ^ »T!!TT «TT I ^3?TT^ 2 9 . 4 4 ^TFJ (b) Commercial banks, including TftHTt z^ |?TT, Fsprir 6 . 1 wrg- jtVjtV public sector banks, meet the credit ^TT^'f TT ^ «TT I requirements of the productive sectors of economy such as agriculture, indus try and trade etc. Rural and sem^- (g‘)^*ft ^r ^'f ^ ^?n- urban branches of the public sector ^ «iT I banks, in particular, ex^.end credit assistance to neglected sectors such as^ Agriculture and allied activities. Small Scale Industry, Small Road and Water ( jt) ;t^ T , 1 9 7 6 — Transport, Retail Trade and Small 1 9 7 7 ^ % ^ ^ ' *r^nr*T’T 23. 6 ^ Business and Professional and Self-em iffefr Z^ ^ ^ ployed persons. ^r^rnrr ’ r t I 1 f ^ * r N» (c) Banks do not maintain commUnl- iijq'fM f? ^J?TRJT % f ^ 9 I T ^ s n p i »TnT tywise classified data regarding their wrfiT?T t ?rnTTTrT Ir ^ sn 1 1 loan disbursements. Concession in the irate of Interest for {^) fd ^ Tf ^ff ^ ^ ^3?TKJT Agriculture % f%tr JTsq- rT«TT iJcrM+l'^'f ^'TFT 4450. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE 3TT Tt t I PATIL: Will the Minister of FINANCE Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers i i II? 8 AND REVENUE AND BANKING be Impact of Reduction In Import Duty oi»’ pleased to State: Stalnl«6s Steel Sheet : • 1 ' 4451. SHRI G. NARASIMHA REDDY Will the Minister of FINANCE AND (a) whether Government are con REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased sidering to give concession in the rate to state: of interest for agriculture community; (a) whether due to recent reduction in custom duty on stainless steel sheets for the manufacture of utensils and (b) whether it pertains to short term re-rolling purposes, consumer would loan; and get any relief; (b) if so, the extent of relief; and (c) whether banks have already re (c) whether, as a result of reduca- duced interest rate for medium and tion in duty on stainless steel sheets, long term loan duration of more than 1500 cottage and small scale units 3 years; what are the special features would be closed and poor consumers of this? would be the ultimate sufferers? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c): After the H.M. PATEL); (a) and (b); Rates Of announcement of Budget-proposals re interest on commercial banks’ advances garding reduction in import duty on are subject to the stipulation of the stainless steel plates, sheets and strips, Reserve Bank of India regarding mini the Government had received several mum and maximum rates. At present representations, including some from the minimum rate of interest is 12.5 stainless steel re-rollers. Keeping in per cent. The minimum rate of in view the interests of re-roller as well terest, however, does not apply to ad as those of users of stainless steel, the vances granted for agricultural pur rates of duty on stainless steel bave poses i:pto specified limits and covered been restructured The concessional by the Credit Guarantee Corporation rates of duty have been notified vide of India Ltd. The rates of interest on Notification No. 152-Customs dated. agricultural loans including short term 15th July, 1977. loans charged by public sector banks These concessional duty rates are , from small and marginal farmers re linked to different purposes for quiring loans upto Rs. 5,000 range which stainless steel is imported and between 8.5 to 13 per cent. the extent of relief would very accord ing to the purposes of imports. (c) Considering the need to stimu late long term capital investment sche Grants of Pension to Ex-employees of duled commercial banks have been Reserve Bank Bombay advised by the Reserve Bank of India 4452. SHRI R. K. MHALGI: Will the to charge interest at a rates not exceed Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE ing 12.5 per cent on term loans for AND BANKING be pleased to refer Periods exceeding 3 years extended by to the reply given to Unstarred Ques ‘ them for capital investment in area in tion No. 2367 on 1st July, 1977, regard dicated for priority attention. The ing representation of ex-employees of Reserve Bank of India have further Reserve Bank of Bombay and state: advised the banks to pass on the bene fit of savings in interest cost on their (a) since when the reciuest of ex deposits, to their borrowing constitu employees of the Reserve Bank for ents, particularly in the priority sec grant of pension is under the considera tors. tion of the Bank; a i9 "Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 120 (b) whether the Bank has now taken Committee on Simplification and a decision and if so, with what result Rationalsztion of direct Tax and Tax Laws 4454, SHRI SUKHENDRA SINGH; (c) ii the decision has not been SHRI D. B. CHANDRE taken the grounds thereof, and when GOWDA: the decision is likely to be taken by the bank on the representation made Will the Minister of FINANCE AND in October, 1976? REVENUF AND BANKING be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have since THE Minister of FINANCE AND constituted a Committee of Experts to REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI examine and suggest legal and adminis H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c): The repre trative measures for simplification and sentation received in October, 1976 by rationalisation of direct tax laws; and the Reserve Bank of India from some (b) if so, the details regarding its of their ex-employees who were initial duties and functions and the time by ly transferred to the Bank’s service which its report is likely to be sub from Government in 1935 and retired mitted? from the Bank's service on dillerent dates prior to 1960 is still under exa THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND mination in Reserve Bank of India REVENUE AND BANKING SHRI ding receipt of certain clarification H. M. P.^TED- (a) Yes, Sir sought by Reserve Bank of India from Government regarding practice being (b) The terms of reference of the loUoved for similarly placed stafi in Committee are as under:— Government. (i) to recommend measures to simplify and reationalise the laws relating to income-tax, Aerodrome at Phulbani, Orissa surtax, wealth-tax, gifi-tax and estate duty, and to alter those laws with a view to making them readily comprehensible to taxpayers, reducing litiga 4453. SHRI SRIBATCHA DIGAL: tion and thus subserving the Will the Minister of TOURISM AND interest of the national econo CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state; my; (a) whether there is any proposal (ii) to suggest ways and means of lUider Government’s consideration to improving the administration construct an aerodrome at Phulbani, of those laws and expenditing Orissa; and assessments, appellate and other proceedings under those laws; (b) if so, the probable date of its implementation? (iii) to examine the advisability of consolidating the four laws relating to income-tax surtax, wealth-tax and gift-tax into THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND one Act; CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHOT. TAM KAUSHIK>: (a) No. Sir. (iv) to prepare drafts of the Bills for being presented before ■(b) Does not arise. Parliament. 121 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 122. The Committee has been asked to sub mit its reportt by 31st December, 1977, Introduction of helicopter service from Dibrugarh to Sadia 4455. SHRI K. B. CHETTRI: WiU ?T5«PTfT?TT V T f^ ) : ( ^ ) the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state; 1976 % ?Rr ir JTf f w w r «rr TTrfm fjTW w'l ?rf (a) whether Government of Assam has constructed a Helipad at Sadia, in District Dibrugarh, Assam; it (b) whether the same has been utilised; and fwwRr (?IF?T ) if ^ s??rR 55TTI fiTT % ?«rR % ir (c) if not, whether the Central ^ f%^rr w r i Government propose to introduce Heli copter service from Dibrugarh to ^TTTTIsq-dT Sadia? % frTir ^ W T «TT I THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND t I CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). The information is being ascertained (m) TTS^ ^ ^ 1976 from the Government of Assam and will be laid on the Table of the 77 % ?PT«TIT 35.75 ^o- Sabha. ^ WT I I TTt^ ?PF?r ^ fNwr 5TTT 3'5ril JR*? Mle. (c) Indian Airlines have no hel’cop- ters in their fleet. No proposal has % ?f?r ^ ^ ^ sfd'^Td been received from any private opera I ^ ^ +i4«n 4456. > 5 T > .-^qr?rrfwrOT ( 1 ) w ?rrErni'=rl'Ti^''i / 3WT ^nrfT?> ^fcT TTWtvT^r; «(dl^ ^ ffTT % : ( ^ ) W ^ f.T»PT ^ ( 2 ) t?ft ^ ^oZTcrftq^ ; ^ ?rir ^TTfT ^ I ( 3 ) m?JTT 'n rft If fir?f'ftR ^ irr^ ^ snP?r ; cf*TT WT ^3TT | ?fh: ( 4 ) it r Retre&chineiit of workers In Jute (a) whether it is a fact that rectftt- Industry in West Bengal ly export of charcoal has been started; (by whether as a result of export 4457. SHRI SAMAR MUKHFRJEE; of charcoal prices of charcoal have 'Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND been increased in India and parti CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA cularly in the city of Bombay; TION be pleased to state: (c) whether as a result of export (a) whether the Government are of charcoal about 4000 charcoal small aware that jute mills owners in West shops of Bombay are on the verge of Bengal have again started retrench being closed down; and ment in jute industry on the plea that there is dearth of raw jute; and (d) what steps Government pro pose to take to give relief to the (b) if so, reaction of Government consumers in particular and shop thereto and steps taken to prevent the keepers in general? closures? THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO RATION (SHRI MOHAN DH.'RIA)- OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- (a) The export of charcoal hd- been RIA): (a) and (b). According to the allowed for a number o." years on a information received from the Gov restricted basis. ernment of West Bengal, there has not been any report of retrenchment of (b) to (d). According to information any permanent or special Badli wor received from the Government of kers by jute mills in West Bengal re Maharashtra, charcoal prices have in creased in Bombay but not necessarily cently. due to export. The main reasons re ported for the increase in prices Occupancy of Indians in Five Star are:— Hotels in Delhi (a) an overall fall in production of 4458. SHRI KISHORE LAL: Will the charcoal; -Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL (b) increase in rent of storage of AVIATION be pleased to state whether charcoal by Bombay Port the percentage of Indians occupying Trust; rooms/suites in Five Star Hotels in Delhi has been higher than the loreig- (c) increase in fees of municipal ners? trade licence. Sample survey carried out by Con THE MINISTER OF TOURISIVI AND troller of Rationing, Bomo.iy, has re CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- vealed that no dealer has been induc SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): The percent ed to close down due to export of char age of Indians who occupied rooms/ coal. To avoid any complaints of short, suites in the five star hotels in Delhi age, the export of wood charcoal during the year 1976 was 25.5 per cent from Maharashtra has been stopped on as compared to 74.25 per cent in the the recommendations of the State ‘'gov case of foreigners. ernment. Rise in price of Charcoal due Memorandum from All India State to export Bank Officers' Federation on I>.A. Issue 4459. SHRI B. C. KAMBLE: Will the 4460. SHRI K. T. KOSALRAM: WiU Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL the Minister of FINANCE AND REVE SUPPLES AND CO-OPERATION be NUE AND BANKING be pleased to rpleased to state: state whether Government received a i» 5 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 126 jnemorandup from the All India State #finP5?r wfR Bank OfBcers’ Federation on D.A. i:'.bue in May, 1977 and if so, whether Gov H w m ^ ?rm ernment have taken any action to in t I crease DA. to the officers of the State Bank? ( ^ ) ^ 28 »rt, 1974 THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ^ 5fRt 3,96,293 REVENUE AND BANKING iSHRI ^TTsr trw ^T, H«ft 5r^'^3T ernra" H. M. PATEL): Government have re ^ ^ I %i%?r *R ceived a memorandum from the All India State Bank Officers’ Federation ^ it ^ ^ TiHdMl ^ ST^nnft regarding the Dearness Allowance to % f?rtT tt^ ^ I; I the State Bank officers. As the Gov ernment are separately hav.iv, under (»r) ^ ^ I f% consideration the question of standar disation of pay scales, all jwance^: in 2 2 , = 5P ^ ? ft«RT 5TT^ ? m eluding Dearness Allowance and other »ftTT t Fh''T>'c’^ perquisites in public sector tank;, the demands of the Federation hr;ve i'cen f^JTT W I kept pending for further examination. (w ) ( tt) % sptf q s iff Jrf STT^ ^5?rr 1 S K f firm News item captioned “Desai’s FUpbts cause Hardship” 4461. r m : 4462. SJIRI VAYALAR RAVI: Wili "WIJT fiffr ^ f«P*T the Minister of TOURISM AND CiVrL ^ frrr ^ : AVIATION be pleased to state: (a) whether the attention of Gov ( t ) 'Tsrra ^9FT?T ^ Trf%qr- ernment has been drawn to the re ports published in ‘Statesman’ dated 25th June, 1977 under the caption ^ iriTT rTTT f+'d'fl “Desai’s Flights cause Hardship” ; and ’f^qr; (b) if so, the reaction of Govern ment thereto? ( ^ ) JT? f?FJTr ^TJTT ?Tk ^ f^qr w, rft ^ THE MINISTER OF TOURISM ANT) QIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- ^nror t ; SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) Yes, Sir. (» t ) w t 'T p rr ^ ^ (b) Air-India and Indian Airlines have reported that they have not re ^ ^ 2 2 , = ^ > 1? ceived any complaints of inconvenience ?rroT ^ ^ 15 h 1^ ^ caused from any of the passengers ^ ^ ferr «rr ; wk w^o travelled on the flights which carried the Prime Minister. («r) irfir ^ «Rrr sfTRur Bailadila Iron Ore shipment to Japan 4463. SHRI S. R. DAMANI: Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND cr.TL fin? THivw SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be i»»To qJn) (^) fftrr pleased to state: 137 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 128r (b ) the reasons for which the Japa Export of Barytes nese buyers of iron ore suspended shipments of Bailadila ore during 4464. SHRI K. OBUL REDDY: WiU December, 1976 and January, 1977; the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA (b) the manner in which matter TION be pleased to state: was finally resolved; (a) the quantity of Barytes ex ported after canalisation and the (c) the loss sustained by the quantity exported during 1974-75 and N.M.D.C. and whether the Japanese 1975-76, before canalisation; buyers were approached to compen sate the loss; and (b) whether export of Barytes have gone down after canalisation (d) if so, the results thereof? considerably; and THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE (c) if so, whether Government pro AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COCJPE- pose to take suitable steps to remove RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): the hurdles to step up the export of (a) With the commissioning of the Barytes? Visakhapatnam outer harbour the port THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE charges effective from 20th Decem AND CIVIL SUPPLIES .'ND COOPE ber, 1976, were notified which were RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA); significantly higher than the charges (a) The quantity of Barytes exported which had been levied f:r the inner after canalisation and Th® quantity harbour. The port charges on vessels exported during 1974-75 and 1975-76 which are payable by ship owners and before canalisation is as under. The in turn are passed on to the buyers, export of Barytes was canalised from were considered too high by the Japa 14th January, 1976. nese buyers and consequer Jy they suspended shipment from ?Oth Dervm- ber, 1976. The shipment was resum Year Me'ric t< na ed with effect from 20th January, 1977. 1974-75 • • • 1,41075 (b) As a result of dis''ussions bet 1975-76 . . . ween Japanese-Steel Mill-< delegatu>n (1-4-75 fo 13-1-76— 1,38,520) ,589 and the Indian author;Ue.j held in (14-1-76 to 31-3-76— 16,069) J 1 9 7 6 - 7 7 .... 1 ,5 6 ,3 5 0 January, 1977, in New De’.hi it was (decided that provisionally the ch-irges as applicable before 20ti) December, (b) No. Sir. The quant'tv oL Barytes 1976, would be levied and charges as to be exported is, however- regulated. finally fixed would apply retrospec tively. The matter is still under (c) The question does not arise. discussion between the two sides. Sugar at Bombay, Madras and (c) and (d). Due to suspension of Visakhapatnam Ports shipments, there was acoumul.'^tion of heavy stocks of ore at Port mine- 4465. SHRI M. RAM .TOPAL RED DY: Will the Minister of COMMERCE heads and the NMDC nad to curtail AND CIVIL SUPPLIES A C'JOPE- or suspend production for a few days, resulting in the production loss of 2.63 RATION be pleased to state: lakh tonnes valued at Rs. 7R.!)7 lakhs. (a) whether it is a fact that huge As mentioned at (b) above the matter quantity of sugar is lying idle at Is under discussion bet veen the two Bombay, Madras and Visakhapatnam^ sides. The Japanese were not app ports; and roached separately in respect of pro duction loss suffered by n MDC. (b) if so, the reasons therefor? 129 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answen 130 THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE Applications for import of ducks„ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE turkeys etc., and pureline RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): poultry stocks, including (a) The following quantity of sugar .s hatching eggs will be consi available at present in the port godowns dered by the Chief Control at Bombay, Madras and Vishakha- ler of Imports and Exports, pa(nam: — New Delhi, on the recommen dations of Ministry of Agri culture & Irrigation (Deptt. B o m b a y . . U 5 9 2 M T of Agriculture), New Delhi. M a d r a s . . 5 1 4 2 M l' (ii) The import policy for Regis tered Exporters is as under: — Vish^kapatnam . . 1 7 5 2 5 M T Import of breeding stocks and Total . 3 4 2 5 9 M T vaccines for poultry would be allowed against export of live chicks and hatching eggs, (b) The above quantity of sugar was and on the recommendation shifted from the mills’ godowns during of the Ministry of Agricul the year 1976-77 -or .^hipirrr'f, abroad, ture & Irrigation (Deptt. of but. pending finalisatij^ of ttie sugar Agriculture), New Delhi. export policy for 1977-78, it has not (iii) There is no control on the been possible to ship these stocks. export of pureline poultry stock. Export and Import of Pureline Poultry Stock Representation from All India F & T 4466. DR. VASANT KUMAR and Central Government Pensioners” PANDIT: Will the Minister of COM Association MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to state: 4467. SHRI AHSAN JAFRI: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND RE (a) whether some poultry hatche VENUE AND BANKING be pleased, ries in the country had imported to state: pureline breeding stocks On the con dition that they will export ten per (a) whether any representation cent of their product; has been received by his Ministry from the Secretary-General All India (b) if so, the names of these poul Posts and Telegraph and other Cen try hatcheries and the quantity and tral Government Pensioners’ Associa value of stock exported by them dur tion, Poona regarding the continuance ing the last four years; and of the Children’s Education Allowance (c) the current policy of the Gov and re-imbursement of tuition fees to ernment regarding import and ex wards of the pensioners of the Cent port of pureline poultry stock? ral Government; and (b) if so, what action has been THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE taken and what will be the policy of AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO Government in this regard? OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) and (b). Information THE MINISTER OF FINANCE is being collected and would be laid AND REVENUE AND BANKING on the table of the House. (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) These concessions are in the (c) (i) The current Actual User nature of fringe benefits admissible policy for import of breeding Poultry only to the Central Government em stock is as under: — ployees during service and it is not 1703 L. S.—5 131 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers 132 ossible to extend them to wards of ed to dispose of loan applications in ensione3:s. volving credit limits upto Rs. 10,000/ within three to four weeks and those of higher amounts within a period of Credit Faicilitiee under Priority three months. Besides, the applica Sector tion forms have been simplified and are being printed in regional langua 4468. SHRI DHARMA VIE ges. Assistance is also provided by 7ASISHT; Will the Minister of the banks to small borrowers in the j-^INANCE AND REVENUE AND matter of filling up forms. Some of -BANKING be pleased to state: the banks are also providing consult ancy service to small entrepreneurs (a) the credit facilities under ‘Pri and have posted Development Officers ority Sector’ basis, offered or received in the field to assist the weaker sec ‘by the neglected section consisting of small and marginal farmers, hand cart tions of society in obtaining institu tional finance. pullers, horse and bullock carts, rickshaw pullers, tailors, barbers, dhobis, pan-bidi vendors and other Statement ^elf-employed categories of workers— Public Sector Banks Advances to Priority trade-wise during the first quarter of Sectors as on December 1976 1977-78; and (Amount in Rs. lakh'<) (b) the difficulty if any faced in making available such credits to gen Category Atiu.uiit No. of uine applicants and steps proposed to Accounts be taken to overcome the same? Agriculture . . { 1,22,922 44,00,870 THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING Small Scale Industries 1,27,422 3,83,696 (SHRI H. M. PATEL); (a) The pre Road & Water Trans sent system of data collection in the port Operators . 23,645 1,43,977 public sector banks provides for com pilation of statistics in respect of Reta'l Trade and Small Business . . 22,190 8,04,850 advances to small borrowers in such broad categories as ‘Agriculture’, Professionals and Self- ‘ Small Scale Industries’, ‘Professional employed persons 6,871 4,60,177 and self Employment’, ‘Road and Education . . 587 26,075 "Water Transport operators’ and ‘Small business and Retail Trade’, etc. Ad vances to small and marginal farmers, Total . . 3,03,637 62,19,645 hand cart pullers. Horse and bullock carts, rickshaw pullers, tailors, bar (Figures provisional) bers, dhobis, pan-bidi veindors and other self-employed workers will figure under these broad heads. The Export of Indian Power Equipments latest available data relating to jdvaii- for Malaysia ces to these broad categories, which constitute priority sector, for the 4469. SHRI DHARMA VIR period ending December, 1976 are set VASISHT; Will the Minister of out in the attached Statement. COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to (b) To mitigate difficulties faced by state the prospect of more sales of small borrowers in obtaining advan Indian power equipments for Malay ces from banks, instructions have been sia together with the total invest issued for the expeditious disposal of ments by our companies until the end loan applications. Banks are expect of the year 1973.74? 133 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 iSAKA) W ritten AnawerM 134 THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE Modernisation of Airports AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO 4471. SHRI RAMANAND TIWARY; OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN Will the Minister of TOURISM AND DHARIA): There are good prospects CIVIL AVIATION be! pleased to for export of Indian power equipments state; to Malaysia. (a) whether Government propose Investment by Indian Companies to modernise the airports in the coun in the power equipment field in try; and Malaysia stood at Malaysian $ 10.30 lakhs (about Rs. 36 lakhs) by the end (b,) if so, the names of the airports o f 1973-74. to be modernised first? Export of Sandalwood Oil THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 4470. SHRI DHARMA VIR AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI VASISHT: Will the Minister of PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to and (b). Modernisation of airports is state: a continuous process and efforts are constantly made in this regard co(ti- (a) whether India has the monopoly sistent with the requirements ot the in exporting East Indian Sandalwood public, volume traffic, operational oil; needs and the availability of resour ces. (b) if so, the export trends during the last three years; and During the Fifth Five Year Plan (c) the steps if any, taken to boost period it is proposed to effect im protluction which has shown down provements at the following airports: ward trends in the past years? Delhi THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE Bombay AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO Calcutta OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN Madras Gauhati DH ARIA): (a) India has a near Srinagar monopoly in the export of Sandal Daboiim (Goa) wood oil. Ahmedabad Agartala (b) Exports during last three years Cochin Khajuraho were as follows: Trivandrum Jaipur Port Blair Bangalore Year Quantity Value Jodhpur (Tonnes) (Rs. crores) Kanpur Pune Jorhat 1973-74 • • 92 7 3 51 Indore Bhubaneshwar 1974-75 • 71 4 7-09 Rajkot Visakhapatnam 1975-76 . 22-7 I 40 Raipur Varanasi 1976-77 Imphal Time are bearing the following charges at troller end Auditor General of India actuals: — and thus separate account from audit. 1 Against the background of the depart (i) Aviation fuel mentalisation of accounts in the Cen (ii) Landing fee tral MinistritS, the Government of India wrote to the State Governments (iii) Oi^t&tation allowances pay in November, 1976, suggesting the able to crew and other staff on implementation in the States of the board similar reform of separation of ac (a) the policy of Government in (b) No, Sir. The Government docs regard to separation of Accounts not see any reason for anxiety and from Audit in the State sector; discontentment amongst the employees of the Audit Department on this ac (b) whether Government are aware count. of the growing anxiety and discontent ment amongst the employees owing to the delay on Government’s part in (c> The views of the employees of taking a decision in this regard; and the Audit Department who are pro posed for transfer to the State Gov (c) whether the employees will be ernments in the event of separation consulted and their views taken into of accounts from audit will be taken consideration while implementing th into account. scheme? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE Bcneficiary of Airbus Pay-off AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Section 4476. SHRI SHIV SAMPATHI RAM: 10 of the Comptroller and Auditor Will the Minister of TOURISM AND General’s (Duties, Powers and Condi- CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to toins of Service) Act, 1971, as amend state: ed in April, 1976, empowers the Gov ernor of a State to take over, with (a) whether Government have seen the previous approval of the President a report which was published in the and after consultation with the Comp- weekly ‘Blitz’ dated the 2nd April, tro.Uer and Auditor General of Inilia 1977 under the heading ‘Who’s the accounting functions from the Comp- beneficiary of Airbus pay-off’; and 13 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers 140 Vpgnulatkm of Mysore (b) the reaction of Government thereto and whether Government 4478. SHRI K. MALLANNA: Will, propose to inquire into the matter the Minister of FINANCE AND. RE through Central Bureau of Investiga VENUE AND BANKING be pleased to. tion? state THE MINISTER OF TOURISM (a) whether Government propose to AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI upgrade Mysore from the present PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) class ‘C’ to ‘B’ ; and Yes, Sir. (b) if so, when? (b) The records are being looked THE MINISTER OF FINANC into to consider further course of AND REVENUE AND BANKING action. (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (b ) No, Sir. According to the 1971 Census Mysore’ city had only a population of 3,55,685- which is less than the minimum popu Natimial Co-operative Development lation of 4,00,000 required for its up- Corporation gradation to B-2 class. 4477. SHRI D. B. CHANDRE (b) Does not arise. GOWDA; Will the Minister of COM MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to state: 5fT3f!T (a) whether any amount of Gov ernment is outstanding against the 4479. sft : National Co-operative Development Corporation; ^ fTCfT ^ : (b) if so, the total amount out standing and since when; and (c) the steps taken to recover the loan? M+"l < THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN qf?ft, H r ^ ir DHARIA): (a) Yes, Sii'. 5FTT t ? (b) The outstandings as on 30-6-77 were Rs. 72,42,66,467.41 as per the details given in the statement laid on : (^) wk (g-). the Table of the Sabha. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-800/77]. €to ^ZT, innwT Sift ^ ^ ^ ^ (c) The Corporation has been re gularly paying the instalments of loan 5TT I and interest in time to the’ Central Govemrnent according to the terms q t ^ hiRi +t % and conditions governing these loans. Tfir^TT, , cPTT The question, therefore, does not ffTTT ’ Tc’T arise. 141 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 142 (a) whether Textile Industry in the I o c country is facing great crisis; 4 *TT^, 1 9 7 7 «Ft I (b) whether 35 more Textile Mills »m:?r f^nrrar ^3^1- have been closed down in the country upto May, 1977; VEv^infspflr % ^ v t f 1 1 (c) the total number of Textile Mills closed upto June, 1977; (d) the number of employees who Complaints against Customs Officials have been rendered jobless; and for wrong detentions (e) the steps being taken in this 4480. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Will regard? the Minister of FINANCE AND RE VENUE AND BANKING be pleased THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE to state: AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN (a) whether Government have re DHARIA): (a) to (e). Unprecedent ceived representations from certain persons detained under the provisions ed ri.se in the price's of cotton has of COFEPOSA in New Delhi, about created difficulties for the cotton tex their wrong detention without any tile industry affecting weak and mar specific charges against them; and ginal mills more actually. By the- end of May 1977, 35 mills were lying, (b) if so, whether Government pro closed, rendering 25,103 workers job pose to take action against the said less and as at the end of June, 36 mills officers of Customs and Excise of Pre were lying closed affecting 32,410 ventive of Delhi who issued orders workers. for detention of these persons on the lines of Delhi Police officers facing 2. As NTC is already burdened with prosecution for doing wrongs to the the management of 105 textile mills. innocent persons during Emergency? Government is not in favour of tak ing over more mills. However, if any THE MINISTER OF FINANCE concerned State Government is pre AND REVENUE AND BANKING pared to take over closed mills under (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Yes, Sir. its management, the Central Govern Government have been receiving re ment would render all possible assist presentations from some detenus ance provided the proposals are found n^ainst their alleged wrong detention. viable. In order to alleviate the These are examined by the concerned rigours of the difficulties faced by detaining authorities and appropriate cotton textile industry, following im action taken. portant steps have been taken:— (b) At present, there is no proposal for taking any action against any (i) Apart from regulating more officer of the Customs and Central effectively the distribution of Excise CoUectorate, Delhi. the available supplies of cotton, cotton availability has been augmented by way of Crisis in Textile Industry imports. Substitute materials like staple fibre and polyester SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: fibre have been allowed im SHRI CHITTA BASU- ports on OGL, without duty- DR. HENRY AUSTIN: in case of staple fibre. Will the Minister of COMMERCE (ii) It has been made mandatory AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO On cotton textile mills to use OPERATION be pleased to state: at least '0 per cent of their *43 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 144 raw materials by way of man- foreign companies operating in India made fibres. can retain non-resident equity in terest upto 74 per cent or 51 per cent THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (c) On receipt of complaints like AND REVENUE AND BANKING power shortage, the matter is taken (SHRJ; H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). up with the concerned State Govern In terms of the guidelines issued for ments requesting them to exempt ex administration of Section 29 of the porting industrial units from the Toreflgn Exchange Regulation Act, power cuts imposed, rn the matter of Written Answers ASADHA 31. 1899 (SAKA) Written Am wers 146 145 THE MINISTER OF. , , COMMERCE labour relations continuous efforts are AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO made by the Government 40 resolve OPERATION (SHllI MOHAN disputes! through discussions, concilia- DHARIA): (a) to (d). Information lion, etc. is being collected and will be laid on the table of the House. Order received by S.T.C. for Tobacco from USSR NAIDU; Will Ihe Minister of FIN ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK 4484. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: Will ING be pleased to state: the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA Improvement in the production TION be pleased to state: capacity of Mints (a) whether State Trading Corpo ration has received any order for 4486. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL tobacco from U.S.S.R.; (b) if so, the details thereof; and (a) the places where the Mints are situated in the country; (c) whether any agreement has been signed for the purpose? (b) the function of these Mints; and THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO (c) whether Government are equip OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN ping these Mints to improve the pro DHARIA): (a ) and (b). The STC has duction capacity of these Mints? received orders for supply of 2,000 MTg of flue-cured Virginia tobacco of THE MINISTER OF FINANCE different grades o f 1977 crop for a AND REVENUE AND BANKING total value of Rs. 3.34 crores. (SHRI H. M. PATEL); (a) The Mints (c) Yes, Sir. The contract for this are situated in Bombay, Calcutta and was signed last month between Hyderabad. • Ramoexport, Moscow and the State Trading Corporation of India Ltd. (b) The main function of the Mints is to manufacture coins. The India Government Mint, Bombay which is Directive to Jute Traders the only licensed gold refinery in India, also undertakes gold refining 4485. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: Will work from licensed dealers. It also the Minister of COMMERCE AND manufactures and supplies various CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA standards of weights and measures (capacity/linear), stamping equip TION be pleased to state: ment, etc. The India Government (B) whether the 15th May, 1977 Mint, Calcutta functions as a Gold was the last date for responding to Collection Centre, on behalf of the the directive issued by Government Bombay Mint and renders assistance to the jute traders; to the public in the matter of ex changing standard gold bars against (b) if so, how many traders res the unrefined gold. The three Mints ponded to the directive; also manufacture medals for Govt, (c) what action has been taken departments etc. against those who have not responded to the directive; and (c) The production capacity of the Mints is presently adequate to meet (d) the broad outlines of the direc the requirements of coins, etc. tive? 147 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 148 Radars in Airports (b) whether we are manufacturing thfi Radars? 4487. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAI- DU: Will the Minister of TOURISM THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHO- state: TTAM KAUSHIK): (a) The Civil Aviation Department have provided (a) whether we are having Radars the following types of radars at the in airports; and airports indicated: Air Route Surveillance Radar Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta and Madras. Airport Surveillance Radar Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta and Madras. Precision Approach Radar______Dell^Bombay and Calcutta. In addition to the above, the Indian Proposal to increase the subsidy o d Meteorological Department also have controlled cloth produced on storm detecting radars at the follow handlooms ing airports; 4488. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAI- DU; Will the Minister of COMMERCE 1. Bombay AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOP ERATION be pleased to state: 2. Calcutta (a) whether the subsidy of one rupee being given per sq. metre of 3. Madras controlled cloth produced on hand 4. Hyderabad looms is inadequate and the targets fixed State-wise for production of that cloth are not being achieved; and 5. Bangalore (b) if so, whether Government 6. Agartala • propose to increase the subsidy? THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE 7. Gauhati AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION (SHRI MOHAN 8. Mohanbari DHARIA) (a) Some of the State 9. New Delhi (Safdarjung) Governments have pointed out in their representations that the subsidy 10. Nagpur of rupee ane per sq. metre allowed on the actual deliveries of janata 11. Ranchi dhoti and saree is not adequate to implement the scheme without incur 12. Bhubaneswar ring any loss, due to the continuous and steep increase of cotton yarn pri The radars at Hyderabad and ces. especially from December 1976 Bhubaneswar are dual purpose radars to March 1977. The actual production —wind finding and storm detection. of cloth under the scheme has been running below what is required to (b) Yes, Sir. Bharat Electronics achieve the target rate of production Ltd. and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. of 100 million metres per annum to are manufacturing various types of be attained by March, 1978. radars like Airport Surveillance Ra (b ) Government are considering dars, Secondary Surveillance Radars, various measures to step up production Precision Approach Radars, Meteoro under the scheme, which may include logical Radars etc. a review of the present rate of subsidy. 149 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers^ i $ o Encashment of Earned Leave Will the Minister of FINANCE AND I REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased, to refer to the reply given to starred 4489. SHRI K. MALLANNA: Question No. 94 on the 17th June, SHRI ISHWAR CHOU- 1977 regarding uniformity in rates of DHARY; sales tax and state: Will the Minister of FINANCE (a) the progress 30 far made in AND REVENUE AND BANKING having talks with the various State' be pleased to state: Governments about the abolition of (a) whether there is any proposal sales tax and imposing additional under the consideration of Govern excise duty in lieu thereof; and ment for encashment of Earned L?ave by Central Government Employees; (b) when a decision in this respect is likely to be taken? (b) whether it is a fact that at present the cashing of earned leave THE MINISTER OF FINANCE-AND - at credits subject to a maximum of REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI 180 days is automatically allowed H. M. PATEL) (a) and (b). It is only in respect of Government em proposed to have consultations with ployees who die while in service; and the State Governments on the ques tion of replacement of sales tax by (c ) if so, the decision Government additional excise duty, after the have taken in this regard? current budget session of Parliament, is over. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (c). Introduction of Bombay-K^od- Yes Sir. Porbandar daily fllgbtk A proposal for Government servants proceeding on earned leave to be 4491. SHRI DHARAMSINHBHAI given cash equivalent of leave salary PATEL: Will the Minister of TOUR for a portion of the leave at their ISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be credit being surrendered has been pleased to state: under consideration of Government (a) whether Porbandar Chamber of for some time. This matter came up Commerce and Industries has sent before the meeting of the National many representations to Government Council, set up under the Joint Consu for introducing Bombay-Keshod- ltative Machinery, held on 6th and 7th Porbandar and Porbandar-Keshod- January, 1977. The Chairman of the Bombay daily flights for to and fro J. C. M. suggested that this matter journey to these places and if so, would be discussed with the Standing when the representations were sent Committee of the Staff Side before as also the nature thereof; a final decision is taken. The proposed discussion with the Staff Side has ^b)i the action taken or proposed lo be taken by Government thereon; to take place. (c) the date on which Bombay- (b) Yes Sir. Keshod-Porbandar daily flights for to and fro journey would commence; Replacement of Sales Tax by Excise and Duty (d) whether any other Chamber of Commerce has also made a demand 4490. SHRI SHIV SAMP ATI RAM: 'n this regard and if so, the names SHRI KACHRULAL HEM- thereof and the action proposed to be RAJ JAIN: taken by Government thereon? Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 152 THE MINISTER OF TOURISM the administration of Section 28 of AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- the Foreign Exchange Regulation Act SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) to (d). 1973. Companies incorporated abroad Indian Airlines had received a repre and Indian companies having more sentation from the Porbandar Chamber than 40 per cent non-resident interest of Commerce and Industries in Janu will not, by and large, be allowed to ary, 1976 for operating a daily service act as selling, buying, shipping, clear by combining the present Bombay/ ing and forwarding agents, etc. of Porbandar and Bombay/Kesbod ser other Indian parties. They will also vices into a Bombay/Keshod/Porban- not be allowed to act as non-technical dar service. The Corporation advised or management advisers. Requests the Chamber that it would not be for appointment as Technical Advisers possible to operate the desired services to Indian companies will be dealt with in view of the extremely tight fleet on merits. position, as also in view of ihe fact that such an arraiigement would As regards use of foreign brand neither meet the Bombay/Keshod, nor names it is permissible only on ex the Bombay/Porbandar demand ade ports, certain life-saving drugs an'l quately. Besides the sector Keshcd- pesticides for plant protection. Accord Porbandar will not be commercially ingly, royalty remittance for the use viable. However the corporation have of brand names will be permitted only plans to introduce a daily Bombay/ in these cases. Keshod and a daily Bombay/Porban- dar service when the Corporation's There have been no special pro fleet position improves. blems in implementing Section 28 «f the Act. The Corporation also received a similar representation from the Guja rat Chamber of Commerce and Indus tries, Ahmedabad. 4 493. ^ >TTf 'TSH : W JWTT fTnrfw ’jftT ImplementatiiHi of Section Z8 of Foreim Exchange Reenlatlon Act : 4492. SHRI DHARAMSINHBHAI PATEL; Will the Minister of FIN (^) ^ 1976 ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK 77 ^ ING be pleased to state: (a) what have been the problems in (^) 1977-78 ^ implementing Section 28 of Foreign Exchange Regulation Act in the last % *nrr; ■3 years; (»T) ^ f^TJTfcT (b) what active steps Government propose to take to implement Section 28 of FERA; and (c) by what time Government will t ; stop remittances of royalties directly or indirectly, for the use of Brand (ti) ^ I f names? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI (-W-) fSTT ^ H.M. PATEL); (a) to (c). 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Will the Minister of COMMERCE ’T^RHT ^<+T< % 1976 ir, AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOP “STfiT^ ?TTSffeT JT=fn^ % ERATION be pleased taatate: 155 Written Answert JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 156 (a) whether a high power commit I «r?r: v tee has been set up by Government to go into the question of problems W R fc f, ^ ^ fiPTT »rqT «TT I faced by the Jute mills in the coim- -try; wWtfs w n^rsnptw «5rr (b) if so, the composition of the committee; 4497. «ft W W W ^*mar ^ : (c) the main points the committee w ifVr »rnTT fwwnw ^ has been a^ked to go into; and ^ fi'TT f% *Wl Sr^ftV ^ (d) when is the committee likely TK «Tf^T ^ Hto ^ IFft (a) how much money the World 449S. ^ : Bank and I.D.A. have invested in =SWT !TT»lf^ "(fif w h India during the last five years and how much of it has been invested in JTf i?qr ^ different States of India; and 1% WT iTJ^TT^nr ^ ^ (b) what are the future plans on ^ *fi (b) what steps are being taken to (b) The World Bank and Inter national Developinent Association are ensure that economically and socially likely to conunit about $ 1.1 billion in backward States get more finances India during 1977-78. The schemes for investment? approved for Punjab, Maharashtra and Orissa are included in the state THE MINISTER OF FINANCE ment. AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). Shar.* of different States and Union Information is being collected and Territories in export of (roods . will be laid on the Table of the House. 4499. SHRI S. KUNDU: Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL Development of Tourism in Orissa SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to state: 4501. SHRI S. KUNDU; Will the (a) what was the share of different Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL States ar-d Union Territories in the AVIATION be pleased to state: expoi-t of goods and technical know how during the last three years; and (a) whether Government are aware (b) whether any special steps are of any Tourist Development Project taken to promote exports in the defi being undertaken to develop tourism cient States in the matter of exports, at Chandipur-on-sea near Balasore, if so, the nature thereof? Orissa, Light and Sound Programme THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE at Konark and Puri-Konark-Bhuba- AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COO neshwar Complex; and PERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) and (b). Foreign (b) if so, the details thereof? trade data are not complied State and Union Territory-wise. The THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND various export promotion measures CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHOT. by the Government are taken on a TAM KAUSHIK;.: (a) and (b). There is country wide basis, and/are not ispeciflc to any particular State/Union no scheme in the Central Sector for the Territory. development of tourist facilties at Chandipur-on-sea near Balasore. It is also not proposed to mount a sound-and Amount of money invested by Banks anfl Institntional Financing Houses in light spectale at Konark in the Central States . Sector. However, this temple has been flood-lit by the Archaeological Survey 4500. SHRI S. KUNDU: Will the of India. Minister of FINANCE AND REVE NUE AND BANKING be pleased to As regards the development of Puri- state: Konark-Bhubaneswar Complex, the Central Department of Tourism has (a) whether Goverrvnent have any information how much money have commissioned the preparation of a been invested by the banks and in master plan (land-use plan) of the area stitutional financing houses in diifer- surrounding the sun temple at Konark ent States in the form of giving loans which will indicate location of tourist and modes of investment; and JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers i 6o 159 Written Anawera Indo-Buirladesh Trade Pact facilities, landscaping and environ mental planning. On finalisation of the 4504. SHRI SAMAR GUHA; Will the master plan in consultation with the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be Archaeological Survey of India and the pleased to state: State Grovernment, responsibilities will (a) whether Indo-Bangladesh Trade be assigned to concerned agencies for Pact still exists; the implementation of the master plan. (b) if so, the trade transactions in The expansion of its travellers lodge volume and financial amount between at Bhubanesw'ar by adding 26 double the two countries during the years 1975—77; rooms, 2 suites, a restaurant and a con ference hall at an estimated cost of Rs. (c) thfi similar figure of expected trade during the year 1977-78; 40 lakhs has been taken up by the India Tourism Development Corpora (d) whether Government faced any constraint in implementation cf the tion. a public sector undertaking. Trade Pact; and The Department of Tourism has con (e) if so, the facts thereabout? structed a youth hostel at Puri which was commissioned on 14-11-1975. THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- RIA): (a) Yes. Sir. (b) India’s exports to Bangladesh for 1975-76 were R's. 62.12 crores and for 1976-77 (April—February^ Rs. 46.14 4502. sft : crores. India’s imports from Bangla im 5nrt : desh were Rs. 4.65 crores in 1975-76 and Rs. 6.07 crores in 1976-77 (April— fJTT «nf«T5«T cTfTr «TrcT ?ftT February). ^ iTCiT (c) The target for export to Bengla- ; desh during 1977-78 has been fixed at Rs. 60.5 crores. No formal target for ( ^ ) ^JTT HTTTT WT %fj^- import from Bengladesh has been fixed. ^ Complaints acainst CustQims Officials ( ^ ) irfe at Visakhapatnam ^ HWrTzrt 3TT% 4505. SHRI A. ASOKARAJ; Will the 5FT I ? Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased to state: ?wr ’rnrfrv h ^- (a) whether the customs authorities wftwf (ssft srTfeT) ; (sp) at Visakhapatnam are still working 3ft I under the emergency and harass the passengers and ofHcers/crew of the Indian ships and discriminate among (^r) ^ mi^RTT % i I6i Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answer, 162 them who proceed on leave from that port; f t q f I ; (b) whether these authorities have confiscated goods which are persona' used belongings of the passengers and ^ VFt % W fh f t officers/crew of the ships at that port if ojtrt ^ ^ only; w w f q v «r^inf»RmT ? n r ^ (c) whether the rules provide that ^ ^ ^ ^ I ? such used belongings are allowed free and new ones for their jiersonal/fami- i d r faMWH 4Pir> ly use only after charging customs : (T) Rff I d u ty and penalty if necessary; and (d) if so, the reasons for their (5T) ^ ^35?TT I harassment and confiscation of such personal normal belongings? Banking facilities in tribal and back THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ward areas REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (d ). There is 4507. SHRI P. S. RAMALINGAM: no passenger traffic at Visakhapatnam Will the Minister of FINANCE A M ) port. Officers and members of ships’ r e v e n u e a n d BANKING be pleased crew are entitled to baggage allow to state; ances under the provisions of Baggage Rules, 1970 and ITC Public Notice No. (a) the present position of ;ivailabi- 13/71 dated 1-2-1971 but only at the lity of banking facilities in tribal and time of final pay off on termination backward areas; of their engagement. Items of baggage in excess of the allowances indicated (b) analysis, if any, made regarding in the said Rules or the Public Notice the loans given to weaker sections in such areas for their economic re are liable to confiscation under the generation; law and are dealt with accordingly. (cj whether Government propose to augment the banking facilities in such areas; (d) if so, the particulars thereof; and (e) the precise position of banking facilities in the HjJ frqr : THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. ( ^ ) 5PTT M. PATEL>; (a) Reserve Bank have reported that as at the end of March SS'TSTT- 1977 there were 10,675 commercial bank 3jrf XT55T, ^ ^ branches located in 240 industrially itsrf?) backward and tribal districts. As on that date banks had 923 licences pend ing with them for opening branches in ^ ’if t ft. ^ these districts. 1703 L.S.—6 JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers i 63 Written Answers i64 (b) Provisional data available in (c) whether the entire amount of respect of the scheduled commercial sales made by SIC has been ^'ecovered banks show that as at the end of and if not, what is the amount out December 1976, their outstanding standing, since when and the reasons advances to the neglected sectors in therefor? these districts amounted to Rs. 1053.4 crores. THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE (c) and (d). Commercial banks AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO have been endeavouring to en OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN large their branch network DHARIA): (a) The quantity of sugar in underbanked areas, includ exported and the value thereof for ing the backward and tribal dis the year; 1974-75 to 1976-77 were;— tricts. To accelerate the process the Reserve Bank have advised the banks that they would have to open four Year Quanity Value branches at unbanked rural centres (lakh M T) (Rs. crores) to be entitled to open one branch at a metropolitan centre and one more 1974-75 6 2 4 31434 at a banked centre. Government have also advised the banks to ensure 1975-76 11-88 46848 that all Community Development 1 9 7 6 -7 7 58 6 15437 Blocks as do not have banking facili ties now are provided with at least one bank branch by June 1978. It is (b) The STC is allowed 1/2 per expected that these measures w ou ld cent service charge on the sales turn help augment the avaibility of b a n k over by the Government. The exact ing facilities in backward and tribal amount of service charges received areas also. by STC during the year 1974-75 to 1976-77 were:— (e) There were 39 branches of com mercial banks in the Nilgiri District as on 31st March, 1977 as compared Year Amounr of servce to 15 branches as on July 19, 1969. charges received hy The average population per bank in S T C (Rs. ) the Nilgiri District as on D ecem ber 31, 1976 was 13,000 only compared to 1974-75 the national average of 23,000. i.,57.i7>o87 95 1975-76 2,31,28,530 95 Export of Sugar 1 9 7 6 -7 7 ([76,97,009 34 4508. SHRI S. R. DAMANI: SHRI JENA BAIRAGI; (c) Payments against all the quan tities of sugar sold and shipped have Will the Minister of COMMERCE already been received by STC. AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO OPERATION be pleased to state: Additional Facilities for Attracting (a) the figure? of export of sugar, Tourists quantity-wise and value-wise, during 1976-77 and the comparative figures 4509. SHRI S. R. DAMANI: of the two previous years; SHRI D. AMAT: (b) what is the commission charg ed by State Trading Corporation on Will the Minister of TOURISM these exports and the total commis AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased sion earned by it; and to state: 165 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers i 66 (a) the number of foreign tourists Operation lA Flights country-wise,I who visited India in 1976-77 and the foreign exchange 4510. SHRI S. R. DAMANI; WiU the earnings thereunder and how do they Minister of TOUIUSM AND CIVIL compare with figures of the previous AVIATION be pleased to state: i'ear; (a) how many flights of Indian Airlines have failed to oPerate ac (b) whether foreign tourists are generally dissatisfied with the customs cording to scheduled timings since 1st clearance procedures and if so, the March, 1977 and how does it com steps taken to streamline them; and pare with the monthly average last ■year; (c) ihe new proposals to attract (b) what are the TeB*?*M for this more tourists in future and the addi inefficient working; ani tional facilities which will be created for the purpose? (c) the action taken to bring im provements? THE minister of TOURISM THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHOT PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (aj A TAM KAUSHIK); (a) and (b). As comparative statement (Annexure-1) per reports received so far, 8702 flights showing the number of foreign tour were delayed/cancelled during the ists from various countries who visited period March, 1977 to June, 1977. The India during the years 1975-7C and monthly average number of flights 1976-77 is laid on the Table of the delayed/cancelled for the period Sabha [Placed in Library. See No. LT- March, 1977 to June. 1977 worked out 802/771. Since the foreign exchange to 2486, as compared to 2348 during earnings from Tourism is being esti the last year. The delays were gen mated on an over-all basis and not on erally due to factors beyond the con country-wise basis, the estimated trol of the Corporation, Such as bed foreign exchange earning from weather. tourism for the years 1975-76 and 1976-77 was Rs. 131.9 crores and Rs. (c) Government have directed Indian 236.1 crores respectively, thereby re Airlines to tighten control on opera cording an increase of 79 per cent in tions so as to prevent delays/cancella the year 1976-77 over the previous tions etc. for reasons which are with /ear. in their control. (b) By and large foreign tourists PoDuIarity of New Indian fabric •are satified with the customs clearance ‘Lurex’ in USA • procedures. However, in order to further facilitate expeditious clear 4511. SHRI D. D. DESAI: WiU the ance of baggage, the Government set Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL up a high powered Committee in 1976 SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be to recommend suitable measures. pleased to state; (a) whether the new Indian fabric (c) A statement (Annexure-II) ou t “lurex” has become popular in lining various measures to attract U.S.A.; more tourists in future and the addi tional facilities which will be created (b) if so, whether any steps have for the purpose is laid on the Table been taken to popularise it; and ■of the Sabha. [Placed in Library. See (c) whether the Textiles Committee No. LT.802/77]. is holding up these exports? 167 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 168 THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE correct imbalances between aggregate AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO demand and supply. In regard to bank OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN jredit to Government it was reported DHARIA): (a) and (b). There are in that Government's dependence on the dications that handloom fabrics, made- banking system including the Reserve ups and garments with some metallic Bank during July to June 1975-76 was yarn are attracting U. S. buyers. These much smaller than before, Govern fabrics are being promoted by the ex ment was in agreement with the as port trade. sessment made in Ihe report. (c) These exports are not being held up. The Textiles Committee had sought clarification from the Govern ment on some issues. These isuues have since been clarified. 'O ** 4 513. srt ; WT Result of the annual study of R.B.I. regarding Currency and Finance f TT 1% : 4512. SHRI K. PRADHANl: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE (^ ) ^ TT^'f mrwT AND BANKING be pleased to state: - T ^ 'f %• THi 5RT t ftpTir ? r fw (a) the main details regarding the ^ I result of the latest annual study of the currency and finance of the coun 5?ftTT ^ I; ? try conducted by the Reserve Bank of India; and (b) the reaction of Government on (isft triTo qtn ) : the observations made by the bank with regard to deficit financing and credit control? ;3 ^ ‘f it THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ^ % 11 ^ ir f w REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. ’jw sr^fj Jr i t M. PATEL): (a) The latest Report on ^rf [^iw i # *rm I tfwq Currency and Finance published by the Reserve Bank of India re r m 803/ 77] ^ 'rar lates to the year 1975-76 (July to June). The report which surveys the developments in the economy during the year has highlighted the decline in Profit earned and Bonus given by price level by .3 per cent in 1975-76 l.T.D.C. hotels (July to June), the substantial im provement in overall supply position, 4514. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN step up in plan investment and growth Will the Minister of TOURISM AND in foreign exchange reserves. The re CIVIL AVIATION be pleased' to port however cautioned against the trend in rising prices and expansion state: in money supply witnessed since June, (a) whether all the hotels of India 1976 till November, 1976. (The report Tourism Development Corporation was published towards the end of earned profit in 1976; 1976). (b) The report recommended the (b) if so, the broad outlines thereof; continuation of monetary restraint to and l6 9 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 17® (c) how many ITDC hotels have unit or 3 separate units for the purpose given bonus to their employees with of paying bonus. details thereol?! THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND Tourlat projects in KeraU CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHOT- 4515. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: TAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). The Will the Minister of TOURISM AND India Tourism Development Corpora CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: tion operated 14 hotels during 1975-76. Of these, 6 hotels earned profits while (a) the particulars of new tourist the remaining 8 incurred losses as projects in Kerala; detailed below: (b) whether Government have taken a decision on developing Wynad as a tourist resort; and S. No. Nam; of the Profit (~)l Hotel Lo;s '—) (c) if so, the details thereof? (Rs. in lakhs) THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHOT- TAM KAUSHIK): (a) Excepting for I. Aihoka H'ltsl, New Delhi (—) 93 23 the augmentation of facilities at the Janpath Hotel , New Delhi ( i ) i8 00 major beach resort at Kovalam, com pletion of the youth hostel at Trivan 3. Lodhi Hotel, New Delhi + ) 5 8S drum and provision of a motor launch 4. Raajit Hotel, New Delhi h) o 66 for viewing wild life in the Periyar Wild Life Sanctuary, no new tourist 5- Akbar Hotel, New Delhi - r ) 20 00 projects are being taken up in the Central Sector in Kerala during the ■6, Qatab Hotel, New Delhi D l l 15 remaining period of the Fifth Plan. 7 . Hotel A'.hoka, Bangilore —) 9 57 (b) There is no proposal at present 8. Lixm' Vilas Palace Hotelj for developing Wynad as a tourist Udaipur . . . —) I 55 centre. 9. Aurangabad Hotel, (c) Does not arise. Aurangabad . . . - ) 3 10. Khajuraho Hotel, Khajuraho . . . - ) I 06 Excise Duty on Hand-tools ir. Varanaii Hotel. Varana"i 09 - ) 2 4516. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: 12. A'rport Hotel, Cilcutta —) 32 69 Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: 13. Kivalarn Hatel, Kovalam —) 19 14 14. Lilitha Mahal Palace (a) whether Government are aware Hotel, My .ore . . - ) 4 17 that the owners of hand-tools produc ing small scale units observed comp lete strike in Jullundur on June 20, (c) 3 hotels namely Ashoka, 1977 against the imposition of 10 per Akbar and Janpath, all in New Delhi, cent excise duty on the goods produc ed by them; and gave bonus to their employees at 13 per cent 20 per cent and 4 per cent (b) if so, Government’s reaction respectively. The bonus to the em thereto? ployees o f the Janpath Hotel has been pai(J pn a provisional basis pending THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND decision by the industrial Tribunal, REVBNUB ANDr BANRSn G (SHRI H- Delhi whether the janpath, Ranjit and M. PA^EL): (a) "The‘ GovemiB^Bt Is Lodhi Hotel should be treated as one aware that a strike Was bbaW'^ed' by 171 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers 172 small scale manufacturers of hand- M. Vellayan who is also the Secretary tools on June 20, 1977 at JuUundur General of the Feberation. As the agaiinst the imposition of 10 per cent notice did not conform to the provi excise duty on tools produced by them. sions of the Industrial Disputes Act, the bank sought the intervention of (b) I have already informed the the Regional Labour Commissioner House in my speech on 15-7-77 of the (Central), Madras, who has initiated Government’s decision to exempt tools conciliation proceedings. It was agre manufactured by small scale units (as ed by both parties before the Regional indentified on the basis of capital in Labour Commissioner to have bilateral vestment on plant and machinery not discussions and that neither party will exceeding Rs. 10 lakhs). Such units take any further action in the mean will be entitled to full duty exemption time. The threatened strike, therefore, provided the clearances of tools for did not take place, except that in Cal home consumption do not exceed a cutta region of the bank where it total value of Rs. 5 lakhs in a financial appears that information from the year, and in respect of certain specified Federation did not reach them in time, types of hand tools upto a further employees in the clerical and subordi limit of Rs. 5 lakhs. The notification nate cadres in some of the bink’s offices embodying the said exemption (No. observed strike for one day on 28th 241/77-Central Excise dated the l.ith June, 1977. July, 1977) has already been laid on the table of the Sabha. Branches opened by Nationalised Banks in lead areas Strike Call given by Bank Employees 4518. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND RE 4517. SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN; VENUE AND BANKING be pleased to Will the Minister of FINANCE AND state: REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased to state: (a) the number of branches open ed by the nationalised banks in their (a) whether about 680 branches of respective lead areas in the back the Indian bank have been affected ward areas during the last two due to the strike call given by its em year?'. ployees from 28th June, 1977 onwards; (bl the deposits mobilised in such (b) if so, what were the main branches; and demands; (c^ the advances made to differ (c) whether the union miaistry ent priority sectors and to small ha-ii intervened in the matter, traders and cultivators in such axeas? (d) if not, the reasons therefor: and THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. (e) what steps are being taken to M. PATEL): (a) Available information avert the strike? shows that the nationalised banks THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND opened 222 offices during 1975 and 331 REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. offices during 1976 in those of their lead districts which are classified as M. PATEL): (a) to (c). Indian Bank has reported that the Federation of industrially backward. The total num ber of offices of nationalised banks in Indian Bank Employees Unions liad all the 240 backward districts was 8005 given a notice on 22nd June 1977 for as on December 31, 1976. Of these 2897 an indefinite strike with effect from were those of the lead banks and 510& 28th June 1977 in support of their of th3 other nationalised banks. demand for the revocaticm of the sus pension order imposed upon Shri R. (b) and (c). The information availa 173 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers IT4 ble in this regard relates to all schedu (ii) They may open branches led commercial banks. As at the end only after obtaining a licence for of December IH.ii, total deposits of doing so from the Reserve Bank. scheduled cornn.L-Tcial banks in these industrially backward districts amoun (iii) The terms of appointment of ted to Es. 3815.64 crores. Their total the Chairman of each bank are re advances to all the neglected sectors quired to be approved by the Re in these districts amounted to serve Bank. Rs, 1053.44 crores as on that date. Of these ‘direct finance to farmers’ (iv) All banks including public accounted lor Rs. 450.40 crores and sector banks are inspected periodi ‘Retail Trade and Small Business’ ac cally by the Reserve Bank to make counted for Rs. 103.43 crores. an assessment of the bank’s invest ment and lending policies, the state of its assets, its earning capacity, Government Control over Non the quality of its management and Nationalised Scheduled Banks compliance with the relevant pro visions of law. 4511), SHRI SHANKERSINHJI VAG- Hi'.LA: V^ll the Minister of FINANCE (v) On the basis of the findings of AND REVENUE AND BANKING be this inspection, Reserve Bank has pleased to state: powers to issue appropriate direc tives to a functioning bank and (a) whether Government exercises effect changes in its management. any contiol over the non-nationalised scheduled canks in the country; 2. In addition to this, under the law, (b) if so, tile salient features Government has also the power to thereof acquire the undertakings of any bank ing company under certain specified (c) whether it has come to the conditions, and may also direct Re notice of the Government that cer serve Bank to take up a special in tain banks had released verj^ large spection of any bankmg company and funds to fill the coffers of the Cong if, after examining the Inspection Re ress Party during the last three years port, it is satisfied that the affairs of ending 31st March, 1977; the bank are being conducted to the detriment of the interest of its deposi (d) if so, the facts thereof; and tors, it may issue a moratorium on (c) whetii.v here is any proposal to the functioning of the bank and way order an inquiry into the working of even direct Reserve Bank for winding these hanks particularly during tlie up or compulsory merger of the bank period of internal emergency? with other banks. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND (c) and (d). Reserve Bank of India REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. have reported that they have no infor M. PATEL): (a) and (b). The Reserve mation regarding the payment, if any, Bank exercises control over all func made by banks to the Congress Party tioning commercial banks which inclu during the last 3 years. des non-nationalised. scheduled as (e) Government has no such propo well as non-scheduled banks. Some of sal under consideration. the more important powers of Reserve Bank are given below; Import of Raw Jute from Bangladesh (i) All banks' in the private sec or Thailand tor are required to obtain a licence from the Reserve Bank for carrying 4520. SHRIMATl PARVATHI KRI- ’ on banking business. SHNAN: Will the Minister of COM- 175 "Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 176 MERGE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND (b) whether it is proposed to in COOPERATION be pleased to state clude some more places in the exist whether Government propose to im ing list of tourist centres: and port raw jute from Bangladesh or Thailand? (c) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CrVIL SUPPLIES AND CO THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHOT- DHARIA): There is no such proposal TAM KAUSHIK): (a) There are seve under consideration at present. ral places in Orissa which can be deve loped as tourist centres. However, tourist centres where facilities by way £xp»rt» to E.E.C. and Western Coun of accommodation, transport and tries tourist bureaux have been provided in various Plan periods in the Central 4521. SHRIMATI PARVATHI KRI- Sector are Bhubaneswar, Puri, Kon_ SHNAN: Will the Minister of COM ark, Sambha, Chilka Lake. Rourkela MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND and Hirakud. COOPERATION be pleased to state: (a) the total export for the years (b) For the present the devolpment 1975 and 1&76 with the E.E.C. coun of tourist facilities is being taken up tries and other western countries and only at Bhubaneswar, Puri, Konark details thereof; and Chilka Lake due mainly to con straint on resources and other priori (b) the total export fOr the years ties. 1975, 1976 with the SociaJist Coun tries and details thereof; (c) Does not arise. (c) whether Government intend to have export with North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Mozambique and Loans advanced hy Nationalised Angola; and Banks to Agriculturists in Orissa (d) if so, the facts thereof? 4523. SHRI D. AMAT. Will the THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO AND BANKING be pleased to state: OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DR ARIA): (a) and (d). A statement (a) the amount of loans advanced is laid on the Table of the Sabha. by the nationalised banks to agri [Placed in Library. See No. LT— 804/ culturists in Orissa during the last 77]. two years; and (c) India exports it.s products to all these countries except Angola. Trade (b) whether any evaluation has with Angola is yet to develop. been done in regard to increase in production, if so, the facts thereof? Tourist Centres in Orissa THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND 4522. SHRI D. AMAT: WiU the REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL M. PATEL): (a) The amounts of out AVIAHON be pleased to statH: standing advances by th* public sector (a) the names of tourist centres in banks (Including nationalised banks) Orian^ for agricaltural purpoMs in Oci«a as 177 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 178 at the end of December, 1975 and 1976 (c) whether Government propose are as under: ' to order an inquiry into the woilring of the nationalised banks during the (Rs. lakhs) period of emergency? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND December December REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. 1975 1976 M. PATEL): (a) Nineteen out of the twenty two public soctor banks whose replies have been received have repor A. State Bank of hidia Group ted that they have not donated any Direct 352 58 687 09 amount to the Congress Party during the period of emergency. Indirect 89 35 29 17 (b) The banks have reported that 441 93 71626 the term leaders of political parties is not very precise and as such it will be difficult for them to find out which B. Nationalised Banks of their borrowal accounts, number Direct 21523 33043 ing about 59 lakhs at the end of Decem ber, 1975, belong to leaders of political Indirect . 23 954 408 80 parties or firms belonging to them. (c) Government have no proposal to 454-77 73923 institute any enquiry into the working of nationalised banks the period of Total of A & B 89670 145549 emergency. (b) No general evaluation of the Step s taken to Clear oil the Surplus impact of bank credit on agricultural Rubber production has been made by the public sector banks. The Government 4525. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI; Will has, however, requested all the public the Minister of COMMERCE AND sector banks to initiate suitable action CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA for collection and maintenance of in TION be pleased to state the steps formation about the vital impact of taken by the Government to clear off bank credit. the surplus rubber and keep the price line to help the small growers? THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE Amount Donated by Nationalised AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO Banks daring Emergeiuy OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): The problem of surplus 4524. SHRI ANANT DAVE: Will the rubber begain to be specially felt in Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE 1976-77. The prices of rubber fell to AND BANKING be pleased to state: comparatively low levels during that period. To meet the situation, Gov (a) the amount donated by each ernment sanctioned the export of nationalised bank to the Congresa surplus rubber which was estimated at Party during the period of 21,000 tonnes. Of this, about 15,000 emergency: tonnes, have already been exported (b) the amount advanced by each and as a consequenoe, prices which nationalised bank to leaders of poli had fallen to the statutory minimum tical parties and to the firms belong price level Rs. 520/- per quintal of ing to the leaders of political parties RMA-1 grade appreciated to Rs. 620/. to which they belonged; and per quintal now. Government are also 179 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Antiwers i 8o actively considering revising the mini (b) Proposals for separation of ac mum price. counts from audit have been received from some States and are under con sideration in consultation with the Directions to State Governments Ke- Sardiag Separation of Accounts from Comptroller and Auditor General of India. While according approval of Audit the Government of India to the pro 4526. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: WiU posals sent by State Governments for the Minister of FINANCE AND RE separation of accounts from audit, it VENUE AND BANKING be pleased to will be ensured that the existing terms state: and conditions of service as well as scales of pay of the staff in the Audit (a) whether the Government of Department are satisfactorily safe India had issued directions to the guarded in the event of their trans Slate Governments to complete the fer to the State Government. The separation of Accounts from Audit by Comptroller and Auditor General of 31st October, 1977; India will also be consulted in each case, before according approval by (b) if so, the present position of the Central Government. this proposal and whether Govern (c) The terms and condition.s of ment propose to make any change in service offered by the State Govern polic> in this regard; and ment to the Audit personnel in the (c) whether the terms and condi event of separation of accounts from tions of service of the audit personnel audit and their transfer to the State likely to be transferred to the State Governments will be settled, in ad ■;overr.ments consequent on separation vance. of Accounts will be finalised and pub lished in advance? Encashment for attending- office t>n Gazetted holidays THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING 4.52T. SIIRI SUKHD'EO PRASAD (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) No, Sir.. VERM A: Will the Minister ot Section 10 of the Comptroller and FINA.\CE AND REVENUE AND Audito.-General's (Dutiees. Power.s and BANKING be pleased to slate: Conditions of Scrvice) Act, 1971, as (a) whether Government are con - amended in April, 1976, empowers the siderirg to modify the present policy Goverr.or of a Sl.,te to taku' over. With of payi;Tg overtime in cash for attend the pre\ ious approval of the President ing; office on Gazetted holidays by the and after consultation with the Com Central Government employees; and ptroller and Auditor Central oi India fb) if s o , what are the reasons and accour.ting functions from the Com- how the employees would be compen ptroUer and Auditor Central of India sated? and thus separate accounts from audit. Against the background of the depart T.HE MINISTER OF FINANCE mentalisation of accounts in the Cen AND REVENUE AND BANKING tral Ministries, the Government of (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). India wrote to the State Governments Under the latest economy instruction.^ in November 1976, suggesting the im Central Government non-industrial plementation in the States of the employees required to attend office on Similar reform of separation of ac Sundays and holidays should be gran counts from audit. It was left to the ted compensatory leave only and not State Governments to take the initia overtime allowance. This has been done tive and send to the Central Govern for effecting the utmost economy in ment comprehensive proposals cover administrative expenditure of Govern ing technical administrative and per ment. There is no proposal to modify ' sonnel aspects connected therewith. this decision. l 8i Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 182. ^ Permits to Import Synthetic Tarn ir 4528, SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- farq % if I ; DIA: Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO (Tf) ^ OPERATION be pleased to state: ^ t ; (a) whether permits to import syn thetic yarn of different kinds were ( ^ ) if given to Units that manufacture syn thetic textiles; 5TF?T JTff, eft (b) if so, to whom such permits ?Rirfw ?r ^ were given during the last three t ; years and in what quantities; (c) what was the quantity actually imported against such permits during 3mr grroiW t ^ T ct ii' ^ ^ the above period; and ^ I *11'i’i I ^ TfV ^ (d) what effect the shortfall in the ?rh: ?n=*n=F!fr w r | ? import, if any, had on the selling price of synthetic textiles? ftrTTr?rarT («fV tiiTo q*To q??T) : ( ^ ) Sfk (’a) TME MINISTER OF COMMERCE sfiTJT ^ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN if I ^ ^ DHARTA) (a) Import of nylon filament tr^o T1T(0 sfTT 'T'^^ yarn for manufacturers of synthetic #0 1^0 ^ textiles has been permitted since fl/2/li(77 and the import is ranalised if % Mrtir if ’51?TT t . through the State Trading Corporation. (b) )o Cd). No actual user licences for imi'ort of nylon yarn were issued % 5t\7 ^ ^ 7 ^ I I during the last three financial years. Due to shortage, the prices of nylon (^ ) 1946 yarn have gone up during the last few if % months. Adequate imports are expec ted to materialise during the current %?ff % m n JT5TS3 ^ TT year bringing down the prices to re f s i ^ ITST ^TPT f e r asonable levels. 3rr% ?r ^ q -^ ^ *rh: ^■ if w R 'a>^ sS ^'I'l ^ I f%iT7*T % ^ITST TT xla«i'-tr 5T(% % 3TR tTR^ fRT T5T ^ 4529. sft irftrm ^ s z r f ^ lf ^ Of t TTiiw wVt *)ir 1 1 ^ frqr affair f t 1 ( 3:) »nTcftJT ^ W ^ » fk sfr if I t s n t I ; »rg-o ^ iirftw ?r’ srfsRr 183 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers i84 ’nm ; 500 'fVi? w k i o o t W??t t 5^ w ^ % ^ I % v m ?rf^ f>fy ^ tinTrr *m ?ft snt^ i >jfft«mrdq1i' 5TTT ftmr «tt fv«n fvxT ?WT TH iw ifftnr 3TRT («it IJlTfl q iw ) : ( ^ ) % (t[) 4530. WT»nft : ^ ^ ’Trn ^ »rf f^fmr ^ f®nr rT’TT 5WT TI'HW WH UfifiM Hr?Pl ^ ?H(f|- *TTwf # , ftRTJf ‘T s fh r q f^ ’ % g?rr% ^ ft? : ^ mflT5T f., 5Tf^ apT f^nit 517^ ( ^ ) ^ -11*7 ^?TT f , ftR-% f W mTrT ^TTTR: ^ ^ ^ I Vi^’PT ^r 'Jn^etT % 'Tt^ ^ ^ srhr ; SriT^,^ 1971-72 % 1975-76 ^ % 5 ^ ^ it W ^ | r^ 5^ (’s) ^ ^?€fhrrf^ % ^ w % ^»rrq- ^ t , m ^r ^t O f^TiRlf ^PT ^r??m ^ % «r>^: ?TnT/eR sffr 1 w ?r ^ im M f ir ?rrd^ «>•; Tf^ ?rsrr/?T«raT w r fh r ^iTrfdi Ir ^PsrfjgW 55PTWf ^ ?tWT f^PTRTT (>r) WT mA>T< % sTcq^ irm ^ «ft :— ^ cTTf ^ t ?fh: irfir ?t, cfr 1971-72 1972-73 1973-74 1974-75 197S-76 ^ feTH" % +'i <<^1 ^*rnr 18051 12544 12407 8216 8234 ^ fyMl^ % ^T^Of ^T*?- ^ 13 30 108 61 111 nft 4TH^ f%^ft ^ *rn^ (*nwf) % Jr f ?rt ^ •n^^rfinr 1W5^ ^ w r w wr?iT | i I85 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers i 86 P4MslbiIitles of Attractlnr Foreisn The ‘Discover India’ air fare and Tourists of Middle and Lower Classes youth fare introduced by the Indian Airlines and ‘Indrail Passes’ offered 4531. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDA- by the Railways are yet other amenities RAM: Will the Minister of TOURISM which international tourists of all in AND’ CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to come levels can avail of. state: (a) whether our efforts for promot Random Sample Study of Loan policy ing tourism are in the main directed of Selected Branches of Nationalised to catering to -he needs of the foreign Banks ■ tourists of affluence; (b) whether Government have con 4532. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDA- sidered the possibilities of attracting RAM: Will the Minister of FINANCE foreign tourists of the middle and AND RE\^ENUE AND BANKING be lower classes, so as to facilitate large pleased to state: inflow of tourist traffic; and (a) whether Government have made (c) if so, whether Government pro a rar.dom sampling study of certain pose to provide minimum amenities selected branches of the nationalised at very reasonable rates in the shape banks to ensure that their loan policy of accommodation, good food and other subserves the main objectives ot amenities laying particular emphasis nationalisation; and or. the tourist need for understanding (b) the results of such a study .f Indian culture and art? so made? THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHOT- THE MINISTER OF FINANCE TAM KAUSHIK): (a) to (c). It has AND REVENUE AND BANKING always been the endeavour of the (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). Government to promote the visit of While no study as such of the loaning international tourists of different in policies I'oilowed by the branches of come levels to India. With this end in public sector banks has been conduc view the construction of medium and ted. these branches have been func low-priced accommodation by way of tioning within the framework of the tourist bungalows, youth hostels, overall credit and banking policies travellers lodge.s. and the development formulated by the Government and of camping sites have been provided/ the Reserve Bank. The overall perfor proposed in the Central Sector in the mance of the public sector banks in earlier/current Plan periods. Besides the context of the national priorities- the above, the tourist bungalows con has also been under continual watch structed in the State Sector are also of the Government, As a result of the available for use by international concerted efTorts made by the- public tourists. The above accommodation is .sector banks to assist small borrowers, provided at places of historical, their outstanding advances to the archaeological, scenic and religious im neglected sectors of Agriculture, Small portance to the international touri<;ts Scale Industry, Road Transport, Pro to visit centres of Indian art and cul fessional and Self-employed persons. ture. Retail trade and Small Business etc. have increased from Rs. 441 crores in^ Similarly. conducted sightseeing volving 2.60 lakh borrowal accounts coach tours are being operated by the and accounting for 14.9 percent of their India Toursim Development Corpora aggregate advances in June 1969 to tion and State Transport or Tourism Rs. .30.'36 crores involving 62.2 lakh Coroorations to enable less affluent borrowal accounts and accounting for tourists to visit centres of our cultural 27.3 per cent of their aggregate advan heritage and natural beauty. ces as at the end of December 1976. iSy Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers loa National Public Distribution Policy (c) the amount of the marine pro ducts exported during the last three 4533. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDA- years and details of the products; and RAM: (d) the names of the countries to SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH whom exported? MALIK: Will the Minister of COMMERCE THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO OPERATION be pleased to state; OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- (a) whether, as stated in Parlia RIA); (a) to (d). A statement is ment, Government propose to imple attached laid on the Table of the ment a national public Distributi'Jn House. [P/aced j?j Library. See No. Policy for making available essential LT-805/77], commodities equitably to all sections of society at reasonable rates; Air Services closed down in Gujarat (b) the time limit for formulation and implementation of the Policy; 4535. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: and Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: (c) whether Government have taken into account the urgent need for (a) the number and other particu quicker implementation of the policy lars of air services closed down during so that even the remotest tribal in the last two years in Gujarat State; the country can get his requirements, (b) the reasons for their closure; without being fleeced by profiteers? and (c) whether Government are con THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE sidering to restart it? AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- THE MINISTER OF TOURISM RIA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI proposals in regard to the permanent PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) public distribution system for essential No 'air services to cities in Gujarat commodities are likely to be (inaii.';ed were discontinued by Indian Airlines in the next three months. during the last two years. (c) The proposals are intended to (b) and (c). D o not arise. ■ cover the population in remote tribal areas also to prevent their being Integrated Textile Policy fleeced by profiteers. 4536. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH MALIK: Will the Minister of COM Multinational Companies Dealing in MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND Export o f Marine Products COOPERATION be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have for 4534. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: mulated any integrated textile policy Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND based on a remunerative price of ‘CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA cotton for the growers and fair price TION be pleased to state: of cloth for the consumers; and (a) the names of multinational coni- (b) if so, the details thereof? panies having branches in India which are dealing in the export of marine THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE products; AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO (b) the name of the countries with OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- ' Which they are attached; RIA): (a) The formulation of a co- l89 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 190 ordinated textile policy is under active ways and means to attract more consideration. tourists to India; I Purchase of Shsllac by S.T.C, (c) the time by which it will oe constituted? 4537. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH MALIK; Will the Minister of THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- AND COOPERATION be pleased to SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) No, Sir. state: There is at present no proposal to set up a new committee to examine (a) whether the State Trading Cor the working of the India Tourism poration has decided to purchase Development Corporation. A Com shellac in the open market during the mittee on restructuring of the I.T.D.C. current year; was, however, set up in 1974, and its report is expected shortly. (b) if so, the quantity and mode of purchase thereof; and (b) and (c). Do not arise. (c) what is the export target fixed lor shellac for the current year? Chairman of Air India THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE 4539. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO Will the Minister of TOURISM AND OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: R IA ): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether the Chairman of Air (b) The quantity of Shellac pur India has all along remained the same chased/arrangements finalised for pur person since the inception of Air chase during thf current year .so far India; and is 1035 Mts. Purcha.se.? are made on (b) if so, when is his present term the basis of competitive offers from expiring and whether Government dependable suppliers. However, this propose to further renew his term? is distinct from purchase of Seedlac by STC from Bihar and West Bengal THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND State Agencies. The target of pur CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- chase of seedlac for 1977-78 is 5,500 SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) Yes, Tonnes. Sir. (c) The export target fixed for (b) The present term of the Board shellr.c during the current year is of Air India including its Chairman 10,000 Tons in all forms. is upto 31st January, 1978. The question of reconstituting the entire Board is under Government’s con Setting up of a Committee on Work sideration. ing of I.T.D.C. 4538. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH Reviewing of the scheme of Separa MALIK: Will the Minister of tion of Accounts from Audit TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: 4540. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR; Will the Minister of FINANCE (a) whether there is any proposal be pleased to state: under Government’s consideration to set up a committee to examine the (a) whether Government are acti working of the India Tourism Deve vely corij^idering the question of Re lopment Corporation and to suggest view and Reversal of the scheme of I9l Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 192 Separation of Accounts from Audit; (i) The Secretary of each Minis and try/Department is the chief account ing authority for the Ministry/ (b) if so, the broad features there Department and discharges this res of? ponsibility through the Financial Adviser; THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (ii) A separate and self-contain (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Presum ed Accounting Organisation under a ably the reference is to the scheme of Principal Accounts Officer assisted Separation of Accounts from Audit of by one or more Pay and Accounts the Centre. Government is not con Officer has been set up in each sidering reversal of the scheme. Ministry and major functional Departments. The Pay and Accounts (b) Broad features of the scheme Offices are responsible for making are indicated in the statement attach payments after pre-check, account ed. ing of Departmental receipts, com Statement pilation of accounts of receipts and Broad features of the Scheme of expenditure and maintenance of Separation of Accounts from Audit at Provident Fund accounts of emplo the Centre yees. However, the responsibility of accounting of payment of pen Under the system of accounting sions has not yet been taken over prevalent prior to separation oI by the Hepartmentalised Accounts accounts from audit, all payments were Organisation and continues to re made and Government dues were main with the Comptroller and collected through district treasuries Auditor General; and sub-treasuries and accounts were (iii) Cheque drawing powers have compiled by the combined Audit and also been given to a number of AcL-ounts offices functioning under the departmental officers in order to Comptroller and Auditor General. expedite payments on account of With a view to improving financial personal claims of employees and administration, particularly in the contingent expenditure; context of effective implementation ot Plan Schemes, Government decided to (iv) All payments are made and separate audit from accounts and to receipts realised through selected introduce departmentalised accounting public sector banks—one Bank being system in Central Ministries/Depart nominated for each Ministry/De^ ments in a phased manner beginning partment. from April 1976. The main objective (v) In order to provide more faci behind the departmentalisation of lities to tax-payers, a system of accounts was: — collection of direct and indirect (a) to make timely and accurate taxes through Public Sector Banks accounting information available to has been introduced throughout (he each Ministry/Department to i.ssist country; in formulation, implementation and monitoring of Plan projects; and (vi) An organisation under the Controller General of Accounts has (b) tc ensure better employee and been set up as part of the Ministry public satisfaction by prompt pay of Finance with responsibility ♦or ment of personal claims of employees setting up and maintaining a techni and providing better facilities »o the cally sound accounting system in the public for payment of Governmenl Departmentalized Accfounts Orga dues. nisation. From 1st April, 1977, the Controller General of Accounts will 2. The salient features of the Depart be responsible for consolidation of mentalised Accounting system are: — Civil Accounts of the Government 193 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers l94 of India. He will also consolidate THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND the Appropriation Accounts (from CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- 1976-77 Accounts) of all the Minis SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and tries for presenting the same to (b). Yes, Sir. Indian Airlines will Parliament after certification by the examine the possibility of operating Comptroller and Auditor General; B daily morning service on the Delhi/ Ahmedabad/Bombay sector, in its (vii) With a view to making Winter Schedule effective November, accounting an effective tool of 1977. management, a high-level Advisory Committee has been set up under the Chairmanship of the Finance Disclosure under Voluntary Disclosure Minister to assist the Ministries De Scheme . partments in evolving suitable ac counting and management informa 4542. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: tion system for programming, moni Will the Minister of FINANCE AND toring and evoluation of Plan Sche REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased mes and for improving budgetary to state: control. (a) the persons who have declared 3. Under the scheme of Depart undisclosed income under the Volu mentalisation Of Accounts, as the Pay ntary Discloure Scheme of over and Accounts offices function as part Rs. 5 lakhs and wealth of over Rs. 15 and parcel of the Ministry/Department lakhs: and concerned, claims and dues are checked and paid expeditiously. Monthly (b) how many of them are known accounts are now available to the to be the smugglers, their nrmes and Ministries/Departments concerned the amounts disclosed by the indivi before the end of the following month duals under the Income-tax and and this facilit'ates better budgetary Wealth-tax? and expenditure control. The facility of payment of Government dues THE MINISTER OF FINANCE through Public Sector Banks has con AND REVENUE AND BANKING siderably added to the convenience of (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) The the general public, resulting in greater Voluntary Disclosure of Income and Wealth Ordinance, 1975 (now, Volun public satisfaction. tary Disclosure of Income and Wealth Air Passengers from Ahmedabad to Act, 1976) provided for voluntary dis Bombay Or Delhi cloure of income, in cases other than cases of search and seizure, under 4541. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: Section 3(1), disclosure of income in Will the Minister of TOURISM AND cases of search and seizure under CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state; section 14(1), and disclosure of weralth under section 15(1). (a) whether Government are aware that a large number of passengers tra So far as declarations under section velling from Ahmedabad to either 3(1) are concerned, section 12 stipu Bombay or Delhi are greatly incon lates, inter alia, that all particulars venienced and often handicapped by contained therein shall be treated as the fact that only one aircraft flies confidential and no public servant to and from Ahmedabad and B om bay shall disclose them except to an officer instead of the two flying earlier and employed in the execution of any of that the aircraft for Ahmedabad-Delhi the Acts mentioned in sub-section (I) flies in the evening instead of in the of section 8 or the Wealth-tax Act or morning; and to any officer appointed by the Com (b) it so, the prompt remedial steps ptroller and Auditor General of India Government propose to take to im or the Central Board of Direct Taxes prove the situation? to audit income-tax receipts or 1703 LS— 7. 195 Vritten Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 196 refunds. It will, therefore, be a breach (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c ). of the provisions of section 12 to While Government have not receiv furnish details of persons who have ed any representation recently from declared undisclosed income of over Members of Parliament for giving Rs. 5 lakhs under section 3(1). concessions in employment to chil dren of staff of State Bank of India, Requisite information with regard to Delhi Circle who voluntarily offered declarations under sections 14(1) and and peffitormed out-door duties ia 15(1) is being collected and "Will be border areas during Indo-Pakistan laid on the Table of the House. War, two Members of Parliament had written to Government in April/May, (b) Smugglers were liable to 1976 recommending, as a special ease detention under the Conservation of the employment of the daughter of an Foreign Exchange and Prevention of employee of State Bank of India who Smuggling Activities Act, 1974. had worked in border areas during Subject to the conditions prescribed Indo-Pakistan War, 1965. Since the in section 21 of the Voluntary Dis Government have not extended any closure of Income and Wealth Act, concessions/relaxations for the 1976 no disclosure could be made by children of such employees, these any person in respect of whom an requests were not acceded to. order of detention had been made under the Conservation of Foreign Import duty on Pesticides Exchange and Prevention of Smuggl ing Activities Act, 1974. 4544. SHRI OM PRAKASHT TYAGI: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND Concessions for giving Employment to BANKING be pleased to state; Staff’s children of State Bank of (a) whether there is a lot of discre India pancy in Customs duty on import of 4543. SHRI OM PRAKASH various pesticides; TYAGI: Will the Minister of (b) whether numerous pesticides FINANCE AND REVENUE AND organisations have urged to bring all BANKING be pleased to state: the pesticides at par and charge a (a) whether his Ministry has re uniform Customs duty on all varie ceived any representation recently ties ol pesticides/fungicides/weedicides from the Members of Parliament that so that the same could be available to farming community at economical some concessions for giving employ ratfes; ment to Staff’s children of State Bank of India, Delhi Circle, be given who (c) whether Government intend to voluntarily offered and performed bring thfl custom duty at par; and outdoor duties in border area during Indo-Pakistan War; (d) if not, the reason therefor and steps taken by Government to safe (b) whether Government has direc guard the interest of small and ted the State Bank of India to give marginal farmers? such concessions to the children of such staflF members in providing them THE MINISTER OF FINANCE with suitable assignments in the AND REVENUE AND BANKING Bank; and (SHRI H. M. PATEL); (a) to (d). The customs duty on import of all (c) if not, the reasons therefor pestcide/fungicide/weedicide chemi and steps taken by Government to cals is uniform @60 per cent basic safeguard the interest of the families duty- plus 15 per cent auxiliary duty. of such staff members? However, the Government has receiv ed reqyests for reduction in customs THE MINISTER OF FINANCE duty in respect of these chemicals*, AND REVENUE AND BANKING which are under cansidaatioo. I97 Written Ansivers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 198 Fire in engine oil Air btdia let Uner ^ i n w f at Tokyo International Airport ^ »|pn*Fr 4545. SHRI GANGA SINGH: Will ^ 1 1 ^ ^ ^ the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to Jr 5T?r f f f f e « w r 5m »n?r, state: ?PTT fsff w k (a) whether any fire broke out in ^ srt «rrjr- the engine of an Air India jet liner on July 9, 1977 at Tokyo Interna ^ sjtr tional Airport; and ftT 1 9 7 7 -7 8 % ^kPT ^TR^T STRTm (b) if so, the causes of the fire and damages, if any? ^ ^ ^ I I THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI Mills Spinning; Art Silk Tam PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. There was an engine fire incident at Tokyo Air 4547, SHRIMATI V. JEYA- port involving Air India’s Boeing 707 LAKSHMI: Will the Minister of aircraft VT-DSi operating Tokyo- COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES Bombay scheduled flight AI-315 on AND COOPERATION be pleased to 9th July, 1977. There were no state the number of mills spinning casualties. According to the preli art silk yarn? minary investigation carried out at Tokyo, there is a possibility of in THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE ternal failure of the engine in the AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO compressor section. Further inves OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- tigations are being carried out and RIA): the exact causes of the fire and the extent of damages will be known after the investigation is completed. hem o f Alantifaaurc No. of Units 1. V'scoi e filament yarn 8 1 97 7 -7 8 ^ 2. V:sco:.e staple fibre . 2 4 546. 5T^ • 3. Acetate fibre and yarn i 4. Nylon filament yarn 8 JTf ^ ^ 1977-78 5. Polyester staple fibre 5 6. Poiyester filament yarn 6 30 ?WT !TT»TfT«P jfar ijflT Besides, on an average 115 cotton *?rPcJTT) : ^ spinning units are spinning staple 1977-78 % ^ f^f?r fibre spun yarn under general per 5 7 5 0 -6 0 0 0 mission issued by Textile Cominis- • CV sion&r, in addition to 24 staple fibre t 3ft srrsrrff* spinning mills licensed under I(DR) Act for the purpose. 199 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers 200 ^ fTTT n f wnff ?T 'rt- WT ^ I ? ^rfoTSU H«TT JTHlf^ gfw wIT 4548. «ft’T«rm : *TJTr ?T5vrfTffT ( ST> *ft5?r «»TfT ^ ^ %srffr^ 5f T ^ t I (9F) W*JT ^'<+I<1 SFiTt ^ f ^ P T ^ r T ^f ?rtT spjft Sirr wrTTrT % ?k F r ^ r f f^rftir ?Tff ^ r I »T^?r #q -R ?rr'i'i (ftrfT rrsT^q q?ro (T*To qSB) ; (^) ^ftT (jj). Action by Enforcement Directorate ag;ainst Individuals/Finns/Companies ^ 3TRff |, ?n:^R: % 5TW ^ JTf 4550. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: Will the Minister of FIN tMpH^^ddi^^ ?m : w R fO T f ^ ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK ^ f%^TT I I H T f.R t ING be pleased to state: ^?nTf 517T ^r >lf f^rfW ^rf^Rft'd’cTrsff (a) the names and addresses of tp- »ft ?rm fR r i w ^ ^ the persons, companies and firms against whom the Enforcement wmYtT snrnr f^^rr jtrjif i Directorate has taken action in the last 2 years; (b) the details of each case and ^T>? «P < 5 4 9. «fV fir.,? : ^ r (c) whether the action against some cas?.: has been dropped; and ^ff«»r5iT 5Tm ^nrfr-fr ^Ffr ?rrT q-^ ^ f,qr ffr ; (d) if so, the names and addresses of such persons and companies and the reasons for the same? ( ^ ) *f)d ^nr WT ^ I ; THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI {m ) ST5ftnf c m f^cTlf H. M. PATEL): (a) to (d). In the last two years, during the period from ir ^ ^ ^ f^RR^ ^ ^ ^JTT I.6.1975 to 31.5.1977, the Enforcement ar^F«TT ^ >it t ; ?fk Directorate has taken action to register 10,35*8 enquiries for investi ( tt) »rf^ Jr ^ ^ gation and in conncetion with such 201 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 202 enquiries 3,898 searches were also Loans advanced by Nationaliaed conducted resulting in the seizure of Banks and UC for more than Rupees various amounts of Indian and One Crore foreign currency, besides incriminating documents. During this period 212,228 4551. SHRI KANWAR LAL Show Cause Notices were issued, GUPTA: Will the Minister of FIN 11,772 cases were adjudicated and 297 ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK complaints were filled in the courts. ING be pleased to state: In some of these cases the enquiries (a) the names and addresses of the had commenced even before 1.6.1975, parties who took loan of more than the date referred to above. Rs. 1 crore during the last 2 years from nationalised banks and L.I.C.; (b) what was the security taken from them; Details of action taken by the En (c) whether Government have re forcement Directorate has been fur ceived any complaints about the nished above in terms of the statis irregularities committed by the banks tics maintained by the Directorate. or L.I.C. in advancing the loans; and No separate statics is maintained re garding the cases dropped. In some (d) if so, the details thereof and enquiries more than one person is the action taken by the Government involved, more than one search is thereon? conducted against a person, and more than one Show Cause Notice is iS'-' led THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND to the same pexson in a few cases. In REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI some cases the same Show Cause H, M. PA TE L): (a) Information in Notice may cover more than one per respect of LIC it being collected and son. The same is the position in re will be laid on the Table of the gard to the complaints filed in the House. CO irt. In a few cases >ht' person The Re serve Bank of India has sta to whom the Show Cause Notice has ted that there are 1546 accounts where been issued may also be the same per credit limits in excess of Rs. 1 crore son against whom the complaint is have been sanctioned by the nation filed in the court. If all the parti alised banks. The outstanding in culars asked for in the question are these accounts as at the end of Dec to be furnished, it will mean that ember 1975 was Rs. 3326 crores. every one of the files, numbering over 10,000 will have to be looked into (b) to (d ). Security is taken by for gathering the information, and banks in the case of all advances; the the result may not be commensurate nature of security depends on the with the time and labour involved. type of facility made available in in If the Honourable Member has any dividual cases. The cases of irregu specific case (s) in view, particulars larities, if any, committed by banks, of the same can be furnished if the in not following the prescribed pro names of the parties are given. As cedure, are generally looked into by regards the pimishment given to the the Reserve Bank of India during various persons involved in the vio the course of inspection of banks lation of Foreign Exchange Regula Ccirried out under the Banking Re tion Act, it may be stated that this gulation Act, 1949 and brought out is in the form of imposition of penal in the inspection reports on the banks ties and confiscation of offending cur concerned for necessary action. rency in the departmental adjudica tion, and, imprisonment and fines on Information regarding cases where conviction by courts in cases of pro serious allegations have been made secution. regarding grant of facilities by banks 203 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 204 to certain clientele and the action by the Comptroller and Auditor Gen taken by Government are being fur eral of India or the Central Board nished in reply to unstarred ques of Direct Taxes to audit income-tax tion No. 4533 being answered today. receipts or refunds. It will, there fore, be a breach of the secrecy pro Similar information regarding grant visions of section 12 to disclose the of loans by LIC in which any allega information for which the Hon’ble tion has been made is being collec Member has asked. ted and will be laid on the Table of the House. Requisite information with regard to declarations under sections 14(1) and 15.(1) is being collected and will Volantary disclosures by Ministers of be laid on the Table of the House. Central and State Govemments (c) Under the Voluntary Disclosure of Income and Wealth Rules, 1975 the 4552. SHRI KANWAR LAL declarants were not required to in GUPTA: Will the Minister of FIN dicate the sources of income invested ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK in the asset(s). ING be pleased to state: (a) the names and addresses of the Ministers of the States and that of the Central Ministers who made dis closures in the Income Tax Depart ment under the recent Voluntary Dis closure Scheme; 4 5 5 3. sft r (b) the amount of disclosure against each name; and (c) the sources of their assets de clared by them? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL); (a) and (b). The Voluntary Disclosure of Income and (g-) :3^rr ^ sRiTT % sr,'^ Wealth Ordinance, 1975 (now, Volun ^ Jfirr I ; tary Disclosure of Income and Wealth Act, 1976) provided for Voluntary (it) if w \ ' disclousre of income, in cases other than cases of search and seizure, un ^ I ? der section 3(1), disclosure of in come in cases of search and seizure under section 14(1) and disclosure of (sftq'^0 q^) : (^) (?l). wealth under section 15(1). So far as declarations under sec tion 3(1) are concerned, section 12 stipulates, inter alia, that all parti I ?T«rT f?: ^ »Tt culars IcontaSned therein shall he treated as confidential and no public r^i5f (»t) (% fwvmrlr yTBgf>q» « # v f % f5T^5r iW fsR^f ffi'Ciqli % 5rof1r ^ «Ft srr «fr, sitsr ^ 5ft »rf «fr ’Efk 4555. «f^3rn?»«r> jt^tw u r n : iTRcfhr fT3T^ #fr % M (^) ^ % % ?T3;wf jpt ^ srf^ w«nfT (^) 'HW % iify + iRifl ^ ^'tt^r : >!n’ sifiTT ^ I sfk 4 5 5 4 . «fr 3T»T?f9t srm?ur?^ : ir ^rrfjr^T ^ ^ ^ ? frt^ =WT fr m P«i*4mh f qr : ?mT TTSR^ w k ifWT («ft (sr) w Tm" If^^$w ii;to q ^ ) : (^) 5fk (g-). tp-THT m r ^ % j r f e ^ #rrf % I ^t ^ ^ «rFTf (Rgrcj IT^ S f ^ rfqi f^:?fr n f-iTOT vn^ t ; i r m r , 1970 ^ s n r r 3 % ^q-g^oft % ?R?nT 11 r< l^ H < , 1972 ^'T ^ifs^ «T I 5T«zr6T 5 T ^ (g) ^ ?t . q^21f7 frr^wf % wm ^ (^t^) ^ % t^TRT T ^ it % ^TTOfk- frsr^' #'5F 5!p : % fsk % cT^ € r f ^Tphnft ^ ^ irfERTrCt, wnNrft 5T^ vm^rgrfiff, I ?rV W T I ; M m f % srf^Mr 9n ^ f H I I ^ ^ ^ ^ ?fk TTcfhTf^ % (»T) W ? T ^ ^ w f h f t m m 5n% w r^ ■%T^ I W fTW?, ^ Tmrwf ^r s t r w! cZK^rfr^ ?2TRf wr^ qrT I ? ^r I I > t# TO25T w\T f f m f%*TPR *T5ft («ft 5TPT ?fk if I — ,5q‘WRg', gr^hm : (^) ^ (ir). ^ ^r sr^fsr, #mvTferT ?rY?: w rh , ^ * ^■4’ iTi^ ?PTr s)r#fd4> f^nrfV, ^^^T'lf'cn, -^rfoTc-JT, 1 srfe^ ^ |, ^rarra-t ?7t^ Jf f? r ^ m jfftE; ^ ^TR O T fjpir 3rr?r «i5V ^ ?fk % ?rm I i | 1 ?T5«PTfcm WT^ Jr, r3T^r% q lr o T T ^ ^ W ^ R 5F> ^ > f f ^Tiff 5FT WTfT I ; ? ft T (^ ) ^ mcft^TT % *1^ ?Ft SJTR ir l^r TT^ (?j) JTf^ ^ , rfr w r fsr^T % % ? ? ? % f^^PTO <77 ^ frot^ ^r IT ^p:wrR ^ iwR ^ ^ I ?fi7: rr^ TRT f W f?T ?n^ITt ^T r m ?rq% ?TT«i?cn 5R¥f^ % f^?T ^*Tr TnSHF^ ^ tfillTT #5fr ^ Jr ^3^ ; %(K («ftTT^o TT^To 'TTT) : (?r) ^ftT! (J3). (^) JTfe ft, cf> ^TTWTR ?T^T friiT?rT, ?ft^ rfSTT r^Trr wK Trr?^ tr^ iTT% q"^ ^ sifkT ^ irraf^-jri- 3r?iY:T gr'frTT; % ;;TWt WT I vU. ??T ?rnjR TT TTS^ ^ tR % JT^siTTWq- f^^TT TT^ t f- ^ |, WT ^ JTf I ? ferr qrrr % :— *rif«nrn rjafi Hnrfr^ gf?T («ft mfTm) :(^) s ft ^ I TT^r, f?^ T ; (sr) TTC^ ^ ^3rn: if ^Tf^rCt ( 3) #§:f=r W T c?nfTJT c[i¥ fg^rr* JTTcJTWr cT’qr q''Fn?iT^ ^ ^ ^ 7T^, f g ^ i ^r «TfTTTT, ^ Cs ( 4 ) ^ ' r f ^ ^^■HiOidT, far^m if Hprrfr^T % «rr^ Sr ?fk % 5ERvi^ % f^ iP T % it ^mn^q- ( 5 ) inT^r ^Ttrw^, f^Tfir- gj^RT ^ f^ T 3TTTnTr I Z'^, MiHT f^^TT I fifTfft -iff TT^ Jr fe^ft y?rr ?nri THfW f q r : 'tk .HI t * (m) ^ ^ Wrt^T?TT, Sfft JTf w f t l ^ ?T5lf I f r ?r«TT w'R^r ^r ywi Loan given by Agricultural Refinance No other scheme has been sanc Corporation to Industries in Madhya tioned by the Corporation for agro Pradesh based industries in Madhya Pradesh. ' 4558. SHRI SUKHENDRA SINGH: Loans granted by Nationalised Banks Will the Minister of FINANCE AND in district of Madhya Pradesh REVENUE AND BANKING be plea 4559. SHRI SUKHENDRA SINGH: sed to state: Will the' Minister of FINANCE AND (a) the loan given by the Agricul REVENUE AND BANKING be plea tural Refinance Corporation to the sed to state: various industries connected with ag ricultural production in Madhya Pra (a) the names of the districts in desh during the last three years; and Madhya Pradesh in which loans have been granted through the nationalised (b) the progress made in this regard bank projects during 1975-76 for cons and the results achieved? truction of wells, setting up of pumps THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND and development of agriculture; and REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI (b) the acreage of land after com H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b ). The pletion of such projects which would Agricultural Refinance & Develop be benefited, district-wise by addition ment Corporation does not provide al irrigation facilities? refinnace for industrial loans. How ever, where manufacturing/proce.ssing THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND is a part of the total agricultural de REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI velopment scheme, the scheme will H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). The be eligible for refinance. District-wise classification of the ad An International Development vances granted by the nationalised Agency as.sisted Dairy Development banks separately for the purposes Project envisaging an integrated dairy mentioned in the Question and the development programme to be im acreage of land benefiting from it plemented over a period of 6 years are not available. However, data at a total cost of Rs. 25 crores has in respect of term loans granted by been sanctioned by the Agricultural the public sector banks in Madhya Refin'ance & Development Corporation. Pradesh for various agricultural pur No disbursement has so far been made poses and outstanding as at the end under this project. of March 1976 are given below: (Rs. Lakhs) Purpose State Bank Nationalised Total of of India banks 2—3 Group I 2 3 4 I. Sinking and deepening of wells and tube wells • 385 94 315 03 706 97 2. Pump sets/oil engines 334 91 396 62 731 53 3. Composite minor irrigation Schemes . 120 05 296 94 416.99 4- Tractors, Agricultural imlplements & machinery 524 07 623 73 1147 8a 5. Plough animals (Bullocks) . 4-67 9 96 14 63 6. RecianMtion and land development schemes . 2 66 13 89 16 55 7. Con«!truction of godowns/cold storages . . 038 0 57 0 95 8. Plantations . 001 0-31 0 32 9- Other term loans . • 4038 35 20 75 58 T o t a l ...... ■ 1413 07 1692 25 3105 3*^ -an Vfritten Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Ar^8Wers 212 (piT fftfm fft ffy V i?iff (b) The Hind Mazdoor Sabha, Kanpur had suggested change in the ^ w im r vtstt management of Swadeshi Cotton Mill, Kanpur on the lines of another mill 4560. «ft VPfRS : SPTT in Maharashtra where in the context of advance of additional bank finance, »»4s5r HTnr fw H H ^ ^tth representatives of the Bank and the ^ f qr fsF : State Government have been taken on the Board of Management. If such ( ^ ) wm ?r^r: ’sfTft % ??ff ^ initiative is taken by the State Gov ernment, the Bank and the concern tJJTT ^ ^ ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK ING be pleased to state: 5^>fT*T fi^5Tff): {w:) ?flT ( ’l).trqT : ^fiiTqT cTiTT f piTiT^ t^qT ^ (a) whether no loan is sanctioned by the bank authorities without any IT^^ ?Tirai% % ^T^mR « 1 8 ^ ^cs , 1 9 7 7 % security to the landless labourers and ^ ?Tsqr ^ Q;qT 5 ttt artists; and ^rcrTT^ 5> gTT ^ f^xTr^T (b) if so, the reaction of Govern ^ ^ -Tf I I ment thereto? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Banks are mov ing away from security oriented lend ing to purposive and production Take-over of Swadedii Cotton Mill, or.iented landing wh,ere the basia Kanpur emphasis is on viable schemes and security is not the prime considera 4561. DR. BAPU KALDATY: Will tion. The landless labourers who are the Minister of COMMERCE AND not in a position to offer any tangi CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA ble security are provided short term TION be pleased to state: credit under the group guarantee scheme. Artisans are generally gran (a) whether Government have de ted advances against the hypotheca cided , not to take over any further tion of tools, equipment, raw material sick mill or mills; and etc. purchased with the bank’s fin ance. Third party guarantee, if avail (b) if so, what action would be able is also taken. However, if the taken over the representation from borrower is not in the position to trade unions for taking over Swadeshi ofler any tangible security, it is not Cotton Mill, Kanpur? insisted upon. THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE (b) The Government considers the AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO emphasis on purpose and production OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- oriented lending as a welcome devi^ R IA ): (a) Yes, Sir. lopm ent 313 WriUen Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 214 Delay m announcing the Revised THE MINISTER OF COMMENCE Price ot Bubber AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- 4563. SHRI B. K. NAIR: Will the RIA): (a) A statement showing the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL value of licences granted to the 13 SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be firms including M/s. Godrej Soap Mfg. pleased to state: Co., Bombay, Appeejay Pvt. Ltd., Cal* cutta is attached. Licences for edible (a) whether he is aware that wage oil are granted with value only as negotiations in the Rubber Plantation limiting factor. Actual Release of Industry in Kerala employing over foreign exchange in each case de one and a half lakhs of workers are being held up owing to the delay in pended on the imports made by each party. No foreign exchange is relea Government announcing the revised price of rubber; and sed unless a party has to remit pay ments for imports made. (b) if so, whether he would take (b) M/s, Appeejay Pvt. Ltd., is one steps to have it fixed immediately? of the firms under the Aminchand Group of concerns. There were cer THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE tain allegations against Aminchand AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO Group regarding non-fulfilment o f OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- exi^o. L obligation against their barter RIA): (a) No, Sir. licences. (b) The proposal to revise the (c) On the basis of report of ‘Sar- minmuna price of rubber is under con kar Commission’, M/s. Appeejay Pvt. sideration and a decision is expected Ltd., were debarred from receiving to be taken shortly. licences for 5 licensing periods with effect from 18.6.1966 to 31.3.1971. T h e firm was not debarred from receiv Import Licences for edible Oil to ing import licences in February, 1977 M/s Godrej Soap Manufacturing when a licence for import of edible Company and other Concerns oils was given to it. 4564. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: S ta te m en t Will the Minister of COMMERCE’ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO Name of L ccnsce Total value of the OPERATION be pleased to state: lice cesngivcn for import of edible (a) the quantity of oil permitted oils and oil seeds to be imported by each firm against 2 licences granted to Godrej Soap Manufacturing Company, Bombay, Appeejay Pvt. Limited, Calcutta head 1. M/s. Godrej Soap Limited, Bombay Rs. 47,60,21,74 ed by Shri Swraj Paul and others and 13 other firms, with values and 2. M/s. Jamnadas Madhavji foreign exchange release to each of & Co., Bombay Rs. 7,86,97,500 them ; 3. M/s. Jai Hind O il M ills, Bombay . . Rs. 9,00,00,000 (b) whether the firm Appeejay con nected with Aminchand Pyarelal was 4. M/s. Kamani Oil M ills. involved in a serious economic offence Bombay . . Rs. 13,50,00,000 and black-marketing involving im 5. M/s. Shree Krishna Oil portation of stainless steel and several M ills, Bombay. Rs. 9,65,00,000 other items; and 6. M/s. Karachi Khopra (c) H so, what action Government Mills, Bombay . Rs. 8,41,50,000 proi>os'e to take in this regard? 2 i 6 215 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Atisu?ers AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO OPERATION be pleased to state: 7. M/s. Apeejay (P) Ltd., (a) whether recent reduction in Calcutta . . R '. 5,00,00,000 export duty on coffee will increase- 8. M/s. Prabhat Solvent the domestic price of coffee; and Extraction Pvi. Ltd. Manavadar . . Rs- 10,05,00,000 9. M/s. Oceanic Solvent (b) the extent to which the domes Industries, Jamnagar Rs- 5,50.00,000 tic price of coffee has increased since 10. M/s. Krishna Oil Cake the recent reduction on export duty- Indu>tries, Upleia Rs- 5,00,00,000 on coffee? 11. M/s. Bajrang Lai Amit Kum ar, Calcutta Rs. 20.00,00,000 THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE 12. M/s. The Vegetable Vitamin AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO Foods Co. (P) Ltd., Bombay . . Rs. 4,93.83,560 OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- RIA): (a) and (b). The reduction 13. M/s. Mulji Devshi & in export duty on coffee had no Co., Bombay. . Rs . 4 61.5 repercussions on domestic prices as releases of coffee for export and do mestic consumption are made inde Reduction in the Export Duty of pendently. This will be evident from C offee.. the movement of domestic auction prices for the main grades of coffee 4565. SHRi JYOTIRMOY BOSU: during the last six months as given Will the Minister of COMMERCE belovi-; — Price of Coffee per beg of 50 Kg. Rate of Plant Arabica Robusta Export duty (A) Cherry Cherry per Quintal AB AB Rs. January 77 1300 537 00 514 50 508-25 February 77 . 1300 550-50 526 50 523 50 March 7 . 1300 529 75 497 50 450-25 April 77 Revised to Rs. 2200 on 26 th 508 50 471-75 480 00 M ay 1977 Reduced to Rs. 1600 on i8th • 501 50 474 00 486 • 75- Juno 1977 Reduced to Rs. iioo on 25th 510 25 497 75 464-00 217 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 2i 8 Standardisation of Salary structure THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND of Public Sector Banks REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) There are varia 4566. SHRI K. T. KOSALRAM: tions in the rates of Dearness Allow Will the Minister of FINANCE AND ance payable to officers in different REVENUE AND BANKING be plea public sector banks. sed to state: (b) and (c). The report of the (a) whether Government have Committee under the Chairmanship taken any decision on the report of of Shri V. R. Pillai on standardisa the Committee headed by Shri V. R. tion of pay scales, allowances includ Pillai which went into the question ing Dearness Allowance and other •of standardisation of salary structure perquisites of officers in the nation of all public sector banks; and alised banks, is under examination of the Government. (b ) if they have not taken any ■decision, h o w soon w o u ld th e y im p le As regards uniformity of weight ment the recommendations of this age for various commodities that go Committee which submitted its report into the composition of the consumer in M ay, 1974? price index, Government in the Min THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND . istry of Labour have constituted a REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI Committee on 31st M ay 1977 to go into H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). The the various aspects of the consumer report of the Committee under the price index number and make re- commendatons. chairmanship of Shri V. R. Pillai on standardisation of pay scales, allow ances, perquisites, etc. of officers in nationalised banks is still under con Employee Director on tlie Board of sideration of the Government and a Directors of State Bank of India decision will be taken soon on the implementation of the recommenda 4508. SHRI K. T. KOSALRAM: Will tions of the Committee. the Minister of FINANCE AND RE VENUE AND BANKING be pleased to state: Rates of D.A. payable to OfRcers in PubHc Sector Banks (a) whether there is any emplo yee Director on the Board of Direc 4567. SHRI K. T. KOSALRAM: Will tors of the State Bank of India; the Minister of FINANCE AND RE (b) whether any action was taken VENUE AND BANKING be pleased to give effect to the amendment to to .state: the State Bank of India Act which (a) whether the rates of dearness wa.s passed by Parliament in 1973 fo r allowance payable to Officers in public the appointment of such a director on sector banks vary from bank to bank; the Board of Directors of the State Bank of India; (b ) if so, whether Government have taken any steps to rationalise (c) what action has been taken in the rates of DA. payable to officers respect of other Public Sector Banks in the Public Sector Banks and to to give effect to this provision which bring about uniformity in the con was passed by Parliament in 1973; and sideration o f weightage for various (d) difficulties which have crept in commodities that go into the composi the matter of appointment of two di tion Of the index; and rectors, one representing the emplo (c) from what date do Government yee of State Bank, who are w o rkm en , propose to implement their decision and the other representing emplo an this matter? yees, who are not workmen? 219 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answert 220 THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (d). At pre sent there are no employee directors on the Board of State Bank of India. The State Benk Laws (Amendment) A c t, 1973 provides for the appoint ment on the Boards of Directors of State Bank of India and its subsidia ries two employees— one from among the employees who are workmen and the other from among such of the employees of the Bank concerned as are not workmen i.e., officers. Gov (isft quo : (^) {m). ernment have already framed rules for the appointment of employee-dir- ITTT 27 1977 % ectors in exercise of powers confer 5TTq^ tTtr; I4{4)li {m ^)j77 red by Section 49 ef the State Bank w r a f ^ li' fTR^fJTrrr of India Act, 1955 and Section 62 o f the State Bank of India (Subsidiary ^ 5vn%i?fT if Banks) Act, 1959 as amended in 1973. 3T5 ^ I ^ % The workman director is to be ap pointed out of the panel of three Srr^TOTiff i: TtT-tTfT- employees furnished to the Central fTjHlfTq'T ^ Government by the representative union. The representative union has to be certified by the Chief Labour ?r ^ I 'T^jrra' ^ Commissioner (Central) after due I f - ^ 1 0 19 7 7 verification a t membership of the unions operating in the' Bank. ^rfrTfT^ 1 ^ 2. The Chief Labour Commissioner (Central) was requested in July 1974 STHfTTT, r. to conduct the necessary verification. While verification reports from Chief 5Tf?T 'sjzi ^1’?; w r r ^ c f | Lat*br Commissioner (Central) in respect of six subsidiary banks have 5r ^7^ |XT been received, it is reported that veri ^TfiiTpqrSi- % ?nfr >» I ^ i fication for State Bank of India and one subsidiary bank is in its final stages and results are likely to be finalised soon. As soog as the veri ^ JPT fsrtrfcT fication results are received, action will be initiated under the Rules 4570. : for the appointment of the workman ITH : director on all these banks. The offi cer director would also be appoint ^iTT ?WT srmfT^ gfe ed simultaneously. : «T3TTar w ^ ^ t- if I ; 4 5 6 9. ^ fwfT ?T«rr (^) fro# ^ 5r ^ ^ ^ f^nrr »nrr; 221 WHtten Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Anavoers 222- (^t) r r «PT WT*rw PfTH ^ ( t ) WT ^ %«ST % %*TT ^ SRJt*P ^ ff cs % ^ s r f? ff^ ^ ii it « r ^ 2FT «TPTT?T f w ? f*R T «TT ^ stt^TT % 97^ if ^VT% «lld ^ a f I WTforro ?nn Jrmftw w k «ft; sfN: *P?ft («ft*ft55T«nfrm): (^ ) ( ^ ) . 'ffRcT ( ’J) $raxN>T ^ ^ f s f f ^ fjT'iTfrT ^ | I ^ ^"STm % IWT ^'TTI ^ 1974-75 5T«n 1975-76 ^ W ^ftjpTT rHTT ’^mCI'T'I if ^TRrft^T 5f€V?t % 3T^;ft % f^frT ^sr it cT'TT ^ ^ 5ft% ^ t ;— % f?TQ[ f^TTPT ^ s^'hr w r I ?T«n W ¥ et ^ ^?T 5I 57?;^ ^ sjfkr spn | ? (?TTg ^ 0 1974- 75 197 5- -7 6 ^Tf'irSJT o5CTT STnrfrV jfn («ft »T > ^ snfTm) :(^)j HH^fJTiTT . 50 . 25 40,. 00 ^ ^ I 2 2 . 96 38. 87 ^ToTTo ?T^Tf^fiT 6 , 43 30 . 61 (jf) ^ ^ fwr^R fjpTPi' f’ra'' ^ I !TMf?,ln 6,. 95 1 5 .45 f?lfj rrtj^ ff; ^ai ^ % ^nsi' ^«T 9. 85 11 . 94 ^q-frT TTiJT iCrnxWr tTTT^ k 0. 28 11 . 69 ^ w. 3 . 21 5. 25 ^ I t OTf^ it' ^mrr SfiPf^iTT . 11 . 94 5 . 14 ttjit ^n^rmT ii ^ 141 . 36 186. 60 ?R | » ^ rr?Ttf?T^5R ^ srfknrftl HJTftT ■^:r^ ^ ^^nTcT % *T®¥H 4571. «ft : t | t I.5nmr f^?r ^ t | | 91»T ’• t ir I ;— ^irrsnr ^Forr, ^ wqr srmfTv w k #3rTT, ? T ^ TTJir smxWr ^ ’rCt? ^5^>rfT ging on Indo-Pakistan Border has fjTcT fTT^Tr, ^ cf ilH T if been on increase recently and activi %iTr ties of smugglers apparently moving; #»T5iff % f ^ 9 f f ii' ’sft5T5TT I and ?T»Tft5Fr mrar % fd^r (b) if so, what action Government ^ % r?rn; propose to curb these activities? frrq-^P^T Hff |, T?r5 ^ ip THt MINISTER OF FINANCE r r 7=T"fr ^ f r % f^cr AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): It is presum sj-JTTH ffrir ^T t| I I ed thut the question relates to ille gal ti ade and smuggling of liquor on the Tjido-Pakistan Border. Reports Grievances of L.I.C. Employees received by the Government do not indicote any increase in such smugg 4572. DR. BAPU KALDATY: ling nativities. SHRI VASANT SATHE; SHRIMATI MRINAL GORE: (b) .Although smuggling continues to be offectively contained across the Will the Minister of FINANCE AND Indo-^ dk Border, anti.smuggling REVENUE AND BANKING be pleas measries are being reinforced. These ed to state: measn es include patrolling of vul- (a) whether it is a fact that the nerab’f areas on the border and main Minister met the representatives of transr'.rt routes and taking concerted the All India Life Insurance Em. action by maintaining close liaison ployees’ Association when he visited with t:ie Border Security Forces dep the Central Oflfice of the LIC in Bom loyed on Indo-Pakistan Border. bay on 27th May, 1977; (b) whether he discussed the Raid conducted rejarding Photo grievances of the LIC employees in stat Copy of Bank Draft cluding the main grievance pertaining to Bonus; 4574. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU. Will the Minister of FINANCE AND (c) whether any assurance was REVENUE AND BANKING be pleas givon to the representatives in settling ed to 'itate: ' the bonus dispute; and (a) whether Shri Sanjay Gandhi (d) if so, the details thereof? and Menaka Gandhi have been inter rogated by the Enforcement Directo THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND rate Branch and whether any raid(s) REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI have been conducted in this connec H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. tion; (b) whether two signatures appear (c) and (d). The Association was ing on the photo-stat copy of the informed that the matter is under bank draft/bank cheque/transfer consideration of the Government. order have been verified with the specimen signatures that are usually Activities of Smuggling and Boot leg available with the banks all over the ging on Indo-Pak Border world; and 4573. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Will (c) if so, details thereof? the Minister of FINANCE AND RE VENUE AND BANKING be pleased THE MINISTER OF FINANCE to staS:e: AND REVENUE AND BANKHSTG (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). (a) whether it has come to the Shri Sanjay Gandhi and Smt. Menaka notice of Government that boot leg Gandhi have not been interrogated by ■Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 226 the Enforcement Directorate, n-or any REVENUE AND BANKING be p’eas- raids tonducted'by thei said Directo cd to .state; rate in connection with the enquiries regarding the photostat copy of the (a) whether the term of Shri Tuli of Punjab National Bank, which ex bank draft published in the ‘States man’. pires very soon, is going to be ex tended; and The Kantonal Bank of Berne have (b) is it a fact that the said official stated that neither Shri Sanjay Gan l;ad been giving liberal assistance dhi nor Smt, Maneka Gandhi main through advertisements to Shrimati tain nor ever have maintained busi Maneka Gandhi? ness r-3lations with their bank. Re garding the photostat copy of the THE MINISTER OF FINANCE l^aTik »Jraff which appeared in the AND REVENUE AND BANKING •Statesman’ of 6th July, 1!577, the Kan (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) The tonal Viank’s view is that it must be questic II of appointing a Chairman & a falsififntion of (he original docu Managing Director of the Punjab ment which they had issued to one National Bank on the expiry of the of their customer.s. in order to create current term of Shri T. R. Tuli on l^r> impi-ession that Shri Saniay Gan 31st July 1977 is under the considtra- dhi ard Smt. Maneka Gnndhi would tioii of the Government. h:ivc businc.ss relation with that bank. (b) The Punjab National Bank had Thev have also infcrmed that since booked six full page insertions in the tliey are deeplj^ conrerned thoy arc magazine “Surya India” at a total also ontacting the roncerncd parly to whom the draft has been really cost vTt Rs. 21,600/-. However, the issued. bank has availed of a discount of 1.5 per cent by making advance payment The two signatures appearing on the and 'las paid only Rs. 18.360]-. photostat copy of the Bank draft Thr’ advertisements have appeared were verified with the zerox copies of in th ; above journal for the months the specimen signatures obtained from of Dc.'ember 1976, February, April the Grindlay’.s Bank, Now Delhi (who and June, 1977. Two more advertise are acting a.s agents -of Kantonal ments I'.re expected to appear in the Bank. Switzerland) and the oninion issues of August and October, 1977. of the Central Forensic Science Labo ratory, New Delhi was that the signa Alleged Irregularities in Branches of tures appeared to tally. However, Vijaya Bank the Central Forensic Science Labora tory vras unalsle to give any definite 4576. DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN oninion as to whether the signatures DIT; Will the Minister of FINANCE of the bank officials as appearing in AND REVENUE AND BANKING, be the copy of the draft published in pleased to state: the ‘Statesman’ are genuine 'or not in (a) whether it is a fact that the the abtience of the original draft which recent Reserve Bank Inspection Re is not available for examination. In ports from various branches of Vijaya view of the information received from Bank indicate many instances of (i) the Kantonal Bank, referred to above, irregularities (ii) misrepresentations this line of enquiry loses its import (iii) gross neglect of R.B.I. directives ance. and (iv) misleading the Bank’s Board of Directors etc. causing losses and Extension of the term of Shri Tuli affecting the Banks financial position; of Punjab National Bank (b) whether there have been raids 4575. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: by the Income Tax in the recent past Will the Minister of FINANCE AND on its branches and offices; and 1703LS—8. 227 Written Answers JULY 22, 1977 Written Answers 228 (c) what steps has the Government ( ^ ) ^ apT ftrsTR «Jrr- taken to put right the offices of this Bank? ^ ^ I % T THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND 18 197 7 % REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRl H. M. PATEL): (a) An inspection if ^ I ; of the Vijaya Bank and its books and accounts was undertaken by the (^) JT? I 1976 Reserve Bank with reference to its position as on 30th June, 1975 in terms of the provisions of Section 35 iTcr «r sfiT of the Banking Regulation Act, 1949. A copy of the Inspection Report is «TT; reported to have been sent to the Vijaya Bank for its comments. The Reserve Bank is not required to sub ( it) ?:nr I ff ift I mit and had not submitted to the Government a copy of this Inspection Report which was conducted by them sqTTR % inwrtT % on their own initiative. Reserve Bank has further advised that in respect of a functioning bank any disclosure ( ^ ) gf, ^ rT--*rT^^ of the contents ©f their Inspection Re port will not be in public interest. ^'TT ?. iq'iT ^ r t IT fq r ^ 7?:t t ’ (b) The Central Board of Direct Taxes have reported that searches under section 132 and survey opera H^T w-iT tions under section 133A of the In come Tax Act, 1961 were carried out (^) ifdr ^ irf^r- by them on various branches of Vi jaya Bank Ltd. it ^ I I (c) The working of the private S3C - tor banks is supervised and regula (ji) ^ Msp-r ted by the Reserve Bank of India. The Reserve Bank have reported that fTfrt grntr iTn; V, ?T?r: they have appointed three Directors '^,T 1 £ on the Board of Directors of the Vijaya Bank and that on the basis of ^ % \ the comments on the Inspection Re port received from the Vijaya Bank they proposed to issue fresh directions ?*rrat § m wr^m rulr to the Bank. 4 5 78. Tra^nfV • fTT fti-fr wTnrrr v ^ ?T«TT TT3R^ wI t IT?: WcTfT 4 5 7 7 . : {w<) w n n>iTiTir % 2PT 5# ^ «r ?tiT ff. ^ : ^ w ?r;. 229 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 230 (5t) ^ sRPmt % ^ fr »rf ^ «rr«T*r ^ «fr I ^T%T, ^T W T f ® WrtTRT ^ ^ ?PT^Tfw ^ ^ 5iwr 4. 9 ?rw WT ?ft »Tf «ft ft, fit ^?^i!riTT ^ iRt «ft I ft:TT ^ «r^g?fr ^ ??wra- f w ; (n) s^nrRt ?r«i^ JT>rr>-TJT STTT ^ srnTTrff ^ ( ^ ) f r c % ^ ml ^ T - 'f R sTTwrsff fg'JTr N5 * 5t> ?rnTPT ^r, f't'd'ii fkwT^f % v[wm ir JTF ^ 10 ^ % ?'tTPT ? r a ^ fjiRrrr, ? iw ? r ?tcR7it w k m n ^ ?r«TT % 5cn=?TTcT 5 q w 5 F zm («t1 1^510 IT 70 q j?f) : (^ ) f^*TT>T 5r?^^^ ?T3T fee? • ifR ^ % q m ^.'Tf srrmrPJT^ f T ^ I wtttt %?tt sqr 1 t f3ra-?T IT? q-cTT ?HT f e ??rtfr jr fB; wcf ^ ^?TTFT «fr ? m r i Complaints Against Customs Officials fr^'-iTfq, ^ f i r f ^ i: ZR ^ TT,?fT cfiT ^ f? 3 ^ F R T ? r COFEPOSA during Emergency; and zfrirr-TiT ? r n fe r r ^ it (b) if so, the facts of the case and TTo ^ ^ n f r action proposed to be taken against W ^ l T t ^ 1970 If ?T P m officers responsible for this lapse? r^JTT «?T I ??frf^3rfT T?-, f j i ^ r THE MINISTER OF FINANCE JT^q- 1,200 t.ttit ;n ^ r »PTT «TT, AND REVENUE AND BANKING % SFTRO] ?V ^Tf «ft f% (SHRI H. M. PATELI: (a) and (b). 3fF?:cT rpr #?«tT'T ^Ft ^fr ^ftJT No Sir. S/Shri Ramesh Munjal» Lachman Dass Ahuja and Krishan: f^er'Ji ^ s F i w t I i;?rt Lai Ahuja were detained in pursuance v w q ^ "TT yvTv+r ^ ?rnTTfT f^itr of orders of deteniton dated 3rd July »TI^ ^r?TT^ ?1%T OfT X^ 1976 issued by the Administrator of the Union Territory of Delhi with a 'TT, «(A ^ 'il'^l f^iiT view to preventing them from engag fjpqr w «rr ^ srr®rf m ^ , ing in keeping, concealing and deal JTcrarf, (^rwT ?rk ing in smuggled goods, namely, wrist watched and watch parts. The ques spt ^ W I , HT^TR tion of taking action against the offi em 1976 # ^rtvropr cers, therefore, does not arise. Written Answers 232 331 Written Answers JULY 22, 1077 ITT5 «TT«TTT ffTTO V (w ) 3TR5fnft ^ Tft I ?tR ?r^i qr TJ? St 1 (^ ) ^rnrr^T ^ ^ 4 380. «ft 5T^ra fk? : T'rt iTPTmr ^rgr I 1 ^ R atq" ^qr ^ifarsu ?rm ^m fr^ wtr sR-er *T ^ ^ ^tifr ^?, ^ t i?, JirfT^ T-'-iT SJig ^'^ITTR f r f^^TT ?1R ^ 3 ^ 5q-HSl>ft f^ T i'r % (w :) ^!TT ^ ? F R k=5TR ’TT- '■^rf?T '^ r^ ' % 18 5T?r % ?T^}. ' cn H sr^rftTrT ?-*T JTirr^R ^ ^ I f^ frs^'t ^ ^ Tetracycline Hydrochloride Purchas ed from Bulgaria s^TfW^T^ff ’jPts? ^«TT ‘-JT^ sqT’-i'R- it t ^'t q r f^a^=r f^^rr 4581. SHRI KISHORE LAL: Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND sqr; CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA TION be pleased to state: (?i) ^qrr •4’T'i^' ^ q-fr ^ (a) whether it is a fact that 65 M- Q;^: T j V-T f^T-TJT ir tons of Tetracycline Ilydrorhloride TT %JTT ’Tqr '■'■Tr ; were purchased from Bulgaria by Chemicals and Pharmaceuticals Coi- poratior.^ a subsidiary of State Trad (?T) fqr =(S£rT ‘Jl^ ing Corporation, in De.ember, 1973 f-TJTfT % ?T-;t .T Jffr JTi'^r^rjqT % and May 1977; g-fT IT sri^ ^r 3rr r?> ^ fsr'TJr T^r (b) whether t.lic condiic, of the Ma ^ i% *riT'T ^qr ^-fT7T% f%'7 naging Director of CAPCO, in regard JTTT; ?f'R to these purchase.-; is under investi gation and a senior officer of Minis try of Commerce is preventing free ( ^ ) jr ttp: and fair investigations; and ^«n ‘JT5 Ptitit % (c) what are the findings and what action ha? been taken ac.ainst the rT^ ^ar it ^r jtt guilty? % iTR it PT'^TftT THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE % %fT tT^: jtrtit f:r AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- RIA): (a) Two contracts were final ised by the Chemicals and Pharma ^rf«t5?T cT*tT 57[JTfTf: ^fcT ^ ceuticals Corporation for purchase of ^T^fjrfTcTT »T?ft (%T> »T>?R «TTfrm) : 50 M. tons and 30 M. tons respectively (fr) ?r>7: (jt). is .f^T, 1 9 7 7 % of Tetracycline Hydrochloride from Bulgaria in December 1976 and May ^TRrrf^ it arrTR »ttt irnr^'f 1977. % ^rt^’f^oT'T fT«rt qr sT'^t ^rm % (b) and (c). A report alleging mal ^nr f^^TT^q’ tt T ^ r practices by several functionaries of f%qr 5TT I I f^*rr>ftJT ^rHr % the Corporation in these purchases was received by Government. The 'TPcoim')' ^ ftr 5irrTr ^ facts of the cases are being looked in qr fw?: fw ^rr^ i to. 233 Written Answers ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 234 I 12.33 hrs. SHRI R. MOHANARANGAM: I want your ruling. Because almost all SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA the leading newspapers of Tamil Nadu (Delhi Sadar): I rise on a point ot have discussed it and there is a flare- order----- up in Tamil Nadu . . . SHRI R. MOHANARANGAM (Che- ngajpattuj: I am not going to say any SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: I thing about the short notice question, want to invite your attention.... I was trying to raise this matter SHRI R. MOHANARANGAM: for the past few days and I did not K in d ly hear me. You always allow want this delicate issue to be brought old faces. in here. . . . MR. SPEAKER: Except your com MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Gupta has plaint hero, I have no notice before raised a point of order. me. SHRI R. MOHANARANGAM: Two days before the hon. Chief Minister SHRI R. MOHANARANGAM: I of Tamil Nadu, Shri M. G. Ramachan. have given call attention notice and dran has issued a statement of the I have exhausted everyi,hing and we floor of the Tamil Nadu Legislative are not able to raise on the floor of A.sserr.bly with regard to the language thi.s House this important issue. issue in our educational system that SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: (Tumkur): the policy of the two language for With your kind permission, may I mula was the policy of the All India subm it. Anna DMK and also of the previous government. Also it was the policy The Speaker can find some time and of the late lamented Dr. Arignar see that there are Members who are Anna. The Chief Minister of Tamil agitated on this very sensitive issue Nadu has issued a statement on the and also there are members who have lloor of the Tamil Nadu Legislative given notice under Rule 377. I would Assembly just two days back with like to know whether we can get regard to this language issue and the some time to discuss this issue. A lot two-language formula. What f§ the of controversial statements were made necessity on the part of the Prime by the Prime Minister and also in Minister of this country to comment sending and collecting information and criticise the two language for from the State, that is, Madras. It mula submitted on the floor of the is, therefore, very necessary that the Tamil Nadu Assembly by the concer issue may be thrashed. ned Chief Minister of the State? There is a convention. Is there any neces SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR (Pon sity on the part of the Prime Minister dicherry): I am on a point of order. to criticise and give a press report saying that Mr. M. G. Ramachandran MR. SPEAKER: What is the point is not correct, how could he issue that of order that you are raising? statement and how can he raise the two language formula on tTie floor of SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: There the Assembly. Can the Prime Minis are two Governments—Tamil Nadu ter being a Member of this Parlia ment and a Member of this House cri and Pondicherry. As a leader of my ticise a statement made before the party here in Parliament, I would sub members of the Tamil Nadu Legisla mit that this is a matter which may tive Assembly? I want fo loiow that. be noted. To make a statement like Is this not a matter of privilege? that in a very peculiar manner against a particular Chief Minister MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Gupta, what and to keep quiet against another is your point of order? Chief Minister—that is, the ^Chief 235 Written Answers JULY 22. 1977 Written Answers 236 Minister of Bihar when he said only SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia Hindi is the language of the State is mond Harbour): I shall take half a not encouraging. This matter is agi minute. tating the minds of the people of Mad SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- ras. kil): It is a very bad precedent to give notice through you. We have given notice to the Chair three times. I am not blaming you. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I want You came only today. to know the rule. I am a Member of this House. I should come prepared MR. SPEAKER: Do not deprive with all the relevant information so me of one day’s salary. that I aan.... (Interruptions). MR. SPEAKER: No, no. SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: You came yesterday. We will be pressing SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I an: on this matter once again. You ask for a point of order. an explanation. MR. SPEAKER: I have called Shri Ugrasen. Let him finish. MR. SPEAKER: After I consider the matter, I will call upon the Prime Minister, if necessary. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: I want to draw your kind attention to ^ irst ?rr^ Rule 54(1). It is regarding Short Notice Question. Rule says— ^ I “A question relating to a matter irrr w r ^ g-pr of public importance may be asked It t with notice shorter than ten clear days and the Speaker is of opi 'iTWrg' irP W R " M H I t', f'jW H nion, that the question is of an ?'i^ t 1 urgent character he may direct that £in enquiry may be made from the Minister concerned if he is in a position to reply, and, if so, on ^ ifru m - what date." St CV I have sent many short notice ques ^ zfr^HT^rTT f I ?TT ^ tions. I do not know what is the fate of those questions. Questions were q r^ TX?. 5TT g sent a fortnight back. It is clearly stated that (Member is supposed to give ten days notice. What is requir ^ ?R+K ed is this—that the Speaker’s Office ^ fiff t I ilTr ^ should ask the Minister whether he is in a position to reply or not. We must know what is the fate of our ^Ph Hi < ^FIT fsRT ^ question. We do not know. This I ? 7T33T H W T # ^ is for the first tim e----- TTRT I ^ % TRlff ^ ^ MR. SPEAKER: It is not a point ^ I I % of order. If you want, you can come and meet me in the Chamber. % 3n^ if ?TFT ^'rf wk 337 Papers laid ASADHA 31, 1898 <5AKA) Papers laid 238 f% 1 5»TT7fV ^ thereon. [Pliaced in Library. See No. LT—788/77]. v fe m t f t I (ii) (a) Review by the Govern SHRI VAYALAE EAVI: Being in ment on the working of the Export the opposition I am very happy if Credit and Guarantee Corporation this kind of a thing takes place. 1 Limited, Bombay, for the year am very happy about restoring cer 1975. tain things. But, I wish to say this. Just now the Questions are over. (b) Annual Report of the Ex There are Papers to be Laid on the port Credit and Gurantee Cor Table. Then there is the Calling At poration Limited, Bombay, for tention Motion. Then only the “Zero the year 1975 along with the Hour” will come. No one should go Audited Accounts and the com on interrupting in the middle and ments of the Comptroller and make speeches. It is not in order and Auditor General thereon. [Pla It is 'not covered by the rules of the ced in Library. See No. LT—989/ House. I want to help you. It is 77]. more a problem for the Chair. (2) Two statement (Hindi and MR. SPEAKER: You are quite English versions) showing reasons right but you must apply it to yourself for delay in laying the papers also! mentioned ut item (1) above. [Pla ced in Library. See No. LT—989/ 77], 12.42 hr». (3) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of the PAPERS laid on the TABLE Central Silk Board for the year 1975-76, under section 12A of the P apers under C o m p a n ie s A c t , a Central Silk Board Act, 1948. [Pla STATEMENT AND A n NUAL REPORT ced in Library. See No. LT—790/ OK THE C en tr a l S il k B oard 77]. FOR 1975-76 THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE N otifications under C u s t o m s A c t . AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI RIA) ; H. M. PATEL): I beg to lay on the Table a copy each of the following No I beg to lay on the Table— tifications (Hindi and English ver (1) A copy each of the following sions) under section 159 of the Cus papers (Hindi and English ver toms Act, 1962: — sions) under sub-section (1) of (i) G.S.R. 838 published in Ga section 619A of the Companies Act, zette of India dated the 2nd July, 1956: — 1977, together with an explanatory memorandum, (i) (a) Review by the Govern ment on the working of the Na (ii) G.S.R. 895 published in Ga tional Textile Corporation Limit zette of India dated the 9th July, ed, New Delhi, for the year 1974 1977 together with an explanatory 75. memorandum. (b) Annual Report of the Na (iii) G.S.R. 896 to 898 published tional Taxtile Corporation Limit in Gazette of India dated the 9th ed, New Delhi, for the year 1974 July, 1977 together with an expla 75 along with the Audited Ac natory memorandum. [Placed in counts and the comments of the Library. See No. LT—791/77]. Comptroller and Auditor General 239 Reported disappearance JULY 22, 1977 of groundnut oil from 240 market (CA) 12.44 hrs. plies and Cooperation to the follow ing matter of urgent public import MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA ance and I request that he may make SECRETARY: Sir, I have to report a statement thereon: — the following message received from the Secretary-General of Rajya “The reported disappearance of Sabha:— groundnut oil from the markets, i.bnormal rise in the prices there "In accordance with the provisions of, double refined palm oil being of sub-rule (6) of rule 186 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of sold as groundnut oil and action being taken by Government to Business in the Rajya Sabha, I am meet the scarcity and check blacK- directed to retum herewith the niarketing in groundnut oil.'’ Appropriation (No, 2) Bill. 1977, which was passed by the Lok Sabha THE m i n i s t e r OF COMMERCE at its sitting held on the 14th July, AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO 1977, and transmitted to the Rajya OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- Sabha for its recommendations and R '\ ): Sir, to state that this House has no recommendations to make to the 1 rise to make a statement regard Lok Sabha in regard to the said ing reported disappearance of ground Bill.’- nut oil from the markets, abnormal rise in the prices thereof, reported .'^ale of double refined palm oil as ASSENT TO BILLS groundnut oil and action being taken Ijy the Crovernment to meet the scar SECRETARY; Sir, I lay on the Tab'e city and check blackmarketing in copies, duly authenticated by the Se groundnut oil. cretary-General of Rajya Sabha, of the followi-ng three Bills passed by As the honourable Members arc the Houses of Parliament during the aware, the major groundnut produc current session and assented to r.ince ing States ai'o Gujarat, Andhra Pra- a report was last made to the House rl«-.=h, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka and on the 27th June, 1977: — the groundnut oil requirements of the (1) The Payment of Wages (Am other State? arc to be met by inflow endment) Bill, 1977. from the major producing States. As i. well known, this is a lean season (2) The Presidential and Vice- for groundnut oil and the stocks avail Presidential Elections (Amend able in the major producing States ment) Bill, 1977. would have been well-nigh exhausted Honourable Members will also kindly (3) The Yoga Undertakings (Tak appreciate that this seasonal pheno ing over of Management) Bill, 1977, menon has been accentuated this year owing to shortfall in production. As 12.44 hn. against the production of 16.2 lakh tonnes of groundnut oil in 1975-76, in CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER the succeeding year the production is OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE estimated at only 12.50 lakh tonnes. Hence, there is a decline in the quan r e p o r t e d disappearance o f g r o u n d n u t tities arriving in the market centres OIL FROM MARKET AND ABNORMAL RISE in the consuming States and the con IN ITS PRICE sequent rise in the prices. SHRI YADVENDRA DUTT (Jaun- Some complaints have been received pur): Sir, I call the attention of the that refined palm oil or palmolien is Minister of Commerce and Civil Sup being sold as groundnut oil in B om - 241 Reported disappearance A3ADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) of groundnut ' I oil irom market (CA) bay. These complaints axe being iook- SHRI YADVENDRA DUTT; Kindly ed into. allow me Lq put one question as a mover. Sir, it is surprising to see Aware of the relatively shorter the hon. Minister’s statement that as availability ux groundnut oil during 'against the production of 16.2 lakhs this year, Goverinnent have taken tonnes groundnut oii in 1975-76, in some measures to meet the situation. the succeeding year, the production The most important of these was the is estin.atcd at only 12.50 lakhs ton decision to bun use of groundnut oil nes. I want to know from the hon. lor vanaspati manufacture and im Minister as lo whether it is not a port of rupcaeed oil for direct con fact that in 1975-76, that is, last year, sumption. As I have informed the cxactly the same situation prevailed in House on a previous occasion arran Mahara htna—Bombay? if it is the gements have been made through the fault of the shortfall in production, Slate Ci^.i oupplits Commissioners then wnat about his figure of 16.2 to dLstribult refined imported rape- lakhs tonnes now? Tns situation is ;eed oil 1 lire ugh the fair pric-c .shops exactly the same in these months. at an ent; 1 tail pncc not exceeding .^s. 8.50 a ks- in important centres. Last year, when there wa-. a short fall, they took some immediate mea Arrang'-ments huve been made sures so that situation is not repeat through the SIC import 20,000 ton ed agaiii. My questiori is: the hon. nes of groundnut oil for distribution Minister said that he had banned the during the festival season. use of groundnut oil for the manu- lacturc of vanaspati go that there is Owin,;; lo various measure.s taken, no possibility of similar scarcity in some of the p/ivate traders are utilis the coming season in the groundnut ing their licence.s to bnng in jmport- stock, especially, in those States that t-‘d oils. Till 11th of July a iitiic consume vanaspati. 106 lakh tonnes valued at about Rs. 70 crores have now arrived in Bom bay Port, through private firms. STC If vanaspati scarcity takes place, would that not result in blackmar- has been asked to import edible oil keting. Is this not a policy of ad. as per requirement of the country Iiocism? and the Corporation has initiated ne cessary action. A tentative plan for the next oil year (1st November, 77 SHRl MOHAN DHARlA: As al to 30th October, 78) has also been ready stated, on so many occasions, prepared and necessary measures in we have stepped into the shoe* of cluding imports to meet the need of the earlier Government and,- after the country are being taken. entering into the office, immediately whatever steps could be taken have State Governments are advised to been initiated. Regarding vanaspatf take stern measures against hoarders shortage even though the apprehen under The Essential Commodities and sion of the hon. Member is right, I other Acts. A conference of Chief would like to inform the House that Ministers has been convened on 30th today, we are giving 90 per cent of July, 1977 to consider the present price the raw materials required by the and economic situation. vanaspati industry out of the import ed edible oil by the S.T.C. and we SHRl YADVENDRA DUTT: Sir, have taken care to see that the usual will you kindly permit me to put production of vanaspati, that is, of one or two questions? the order of 6 lakhs tonnes every year is maintained. Perhaps the stock MR. SPEAKER: This is a Call At will be a little bit more and not less: tention and so one will do. than this. 243 Reported disappearance JULY 22, 1977 of groundnut oil from 244 m a r k e t (CA) SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai): Sir, tain subiLantive laws to haul them I am sorry to say that my call atten up and also taken stringent measures tion motion was not only relating to against them? I would also like to groundnut oil but that included other know what positive steps have been edible oils as well. I hope the hon. taken to see that edible oils are avail Minister will help me by giving ans able to the people not only in the wer about other oils as well. It is urban areas but particularly in the not the case that only groundnut oil rural areas? disappears from the market and so there is an abnormal rise in price. SHRI MOHAN DHARIA: On a In the case of mustard oil, vanaspati, number of occasions I have narrated £Oconut oil and other oils also on an thfe reasonjp for shortages. I have average it is found that in just one also said where there are shortages month, there is nearly a 25 per cent there is a tendency of hoarding. So price rise when it comes in the mar far as bungling in respect of import ket everywhere. licences for edible oil is concerned, I have already informed the House that SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR certain cases have already been refer (Quilon); The prices have gone down red to thfc. CBI. It is for them to now. investigate. After the investigation is complete whatever action is re SHRI SAMAR GUHA: It may be so quired to be taken the same would in the case of Kerala. That is not be taken. so in the case of West Bengal- I want to know from the hon. Minister what Mr. Spt'aker, Sir, to meet the sit is the basic reason why this has va uation we asked the STC to imme nished in the rural area and the price diately go into action and we pre there is abnormal. We are drawing pared the plan not only for this year your attention to this only. I do not but also for the next year. So, from know whether they have developed that point oj' view, all po.ssible carc some kmd of self-complacency. They has been taken. Imports have already are not coming out with an adequate been allowed and STC is going ahead. statement to convince the people that It may not be fair on my part to they are carrying not only the back disclose the figures of import. Fur log but they have also inherited the ther, Sir, a Committee has been con bunglings of the last Mini.stry. stituted to take immediate measure:^ in respect of crops of groundnut, oil seeds, cotton, pulses and also jute. MR. SPEAKER; Please, now put Some measures could be undertaken your question. even during this monsoon. The Com mittee wont into it, immediately the SHRI SAMAR GUHA: The prices money was sanctioned and we are of oils in different parts of the coun taking certain steps so that we could try appeared to fall but in the mid bring in additional acre under culti dle of April there was sharp rise in vation and we could have better pro the prices of mustard oil and edible duction. We have also taken one oils. I would lik f to know the rea more carc. We have introduce distri son. Is there any hoarding? From bution of refined rapeseed oil and it a sudden fall in prices, why there is is available at the point of consu a sudden rise? If there is hoarding, mers at Rs. 8.50 per Kg. Now, it is what steps are being taken by the argued that it is available only in Government. Government has said cities. But, as I have said, if we that there was a scandal in regard could give this oil in cities, it will to licences for importing edible oils stop the flow of domestic oils to cities from outside. I want to know whe to some extent and that will be avail ther Government have applied cer- able for the rural areas. So, what- 245 Reported disappearance ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) of groundnut 246 oil from market (CA) ever steps are possible have been has been accompanied by shortages in taken and regarding further mea Southern States and the mustard oil sures, 1 can assure the House that which is the main cooking medium 'n this point will be discussed in the the Eastern belt, is selling at a price Conference of the Chief Ministers to of the 75 per cent to 100 per cent be convened by the Prime Minister higher than the pricq prevailing on 30lh July 1977. during the last year. Pulses are also very much affected. The worst affect SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- ed pulses are Arahar and Rajma. kil): Sir, 1 can only sympathise with the hon. Minister, Mr. Mohan Dharia. MR. SPEAKER; You are only to dtal with oil. You confine yourself MR. SPEAKER; Please come to to oil. the question. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI; I am con SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Sir, the fining myself to the price rise of groundnut oil has played certain role tifoundnut oil- in politics in different States. Every one knows it. Nobody can blame AN HON. MEMBER: He is making anybody. Gujarat is also one of the a comparative study. major groundnut producing States. THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI But there also, there is a problem. MORARJI DESAI): My hon’ble friend The farmers are not getting proper was right in raising a point of order price for their produce. The hoard at that time. But he does not apply ing takes place at the mill owners it to himself. How can he raise all level, not at the farmers’ level. The these points? He cannot do that. It farmers are always complaining that is not a debate. I would request they are not getting remunerative you, Sir, in future, kindly to see that price. the discussion on the Oall Attention MR. SPEAKER: It is a Calling At Motion does not become a debate. tention Motion. It is not debate. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I do not SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: 1 am not make it a debate. It can be discus^ out of the purview. It is a mini de- sed in the Rules Committee. It is not baite. I am only explaining that a matter of my being impatient. I groundnut produced by the farmers think the Prime Minister is equally does not fetch a remunerative price. concerned with the price rise. We are The faimers are n ot getting proper also affected because of this. If you price, but the mill-owners are the go to market, you will find the price real culprit. They are hoarding this increase at the interval of one or two item and controlling the whole mar hours. It is a serious situation and ket. They are encouraging more spe we are all concerned about it. The culation. So, to set it right, you have hon. Prime Minister himself would to invoke certain acts. In your own agree that a discussion on the price statement, it is stated that the price rise, in this House is necessary. I of the groundnut oil in the market would be very happy if the House was Rs. 211.9 in March 1976, in Feb discusses this matter separately. (In- ruary 1977 it was Rs. 423. The terruptiovs). Do not think that it groundnut oil, the price of which was is against you. (Interruptions). I Rs. 213, had gone up to Rs. 400. You know how to do it. Don’t try to can see the steep rise in price of teach me. I am an old Member. this oil. It has gone up more than the average. Recently there was a MR. SPEAKER; Please address the press report stating that among the Chair. And What is the information total oils, groundnut oil seems to be that you are calling for?. . . . (Inter the worst affected oil and a steep rise ruptions). Please put your question. 347 Reported disappearance JULY 22, 1977 of groundnut oil from 248- market (CA) SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: In call SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I am not attention, every member is allowed to debating that issue at the moment. speak for five or six minutes. The The point is that edible oil has gone question follows after explaining underground. It is not available in certain matters. the market. The hon. Minister has made a statement and in that he says MR. SPEAKER: If half an hour that he is proposing certain measures. discussion is permitted, you can do The question is: what are the steps so. But on a call attention, you that are being taken to make edible have merely to call the attention of oil availa'ble to the villagers? the Minister and not make a speech. Secondly, i should also like to know Have you any particular matter re what steps have been taken to re lating to your call attention motion? vive or activise the national consu You have mentioned the price rise mers' protection council to see that and the hon. Minister has explained Ihi.s kind of thing does not occur and the position. also I should like to know ...... SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: The main MR. SPEAKER: No more. The question arises because groundnut oil hon. Minister may answer the first has gone underground. This is not two questions. Hereafter I am go* a question of opposition members or ing to allow only one question, and ruling party members. The prices not questions A. B and C. Today have risen. I have allowed two question to others and so i am allowing two questions. MR. SPEAKER: Have you put the question? SHRI SAMAR GUHA: May I make a submission? It is not a short no SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: When I tice question. in the call attention am asking a question I have to ex motion, the word ‘motion’ is put. plain my point. So, a preamble is necessary. It has been the practice also. MR. SPEAKER: No, n o...... (Interruptions). Hon. Members on SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: You can this side need not take over my res have a discussion on this matter m ponsibility. It is for me to decide, the Chamber. Please do not give a not for the others. The rule about ruling here. call attention provides that there MR. SPEAKER: The rule is there. shall be no debate on such statement So, my ruling in the House is fijial. at the time it is made but each mem The hon. Minister may answer his ber in whose name the item stands two questions now, in the list of business may, with the permission of the Speaker, ask a SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL- question. Under the rules hereafter DER (Durgapur): Please do not be only one question will be allowed. rigid. There is no combining of questions. If you have any question to ask, SHRI MOHAN DHARIA: Sir, I do kindly ask it; otherwise you can leave share the concern of the hon. Mem it at that. ber, A s I indicated, the steps that are possible are to have more im SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: i do not ports, to increase production and want to make it a debate. This also to take care of the distribution House has certain precedents. system. MR. SPEAKER: No precedent can MR. SPEAKER: Are you going to overrule the rule. Now, please say anything in addition to what come to the question. you have said already? 249 B.O.H. ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) B.O.H. 250 SHRI MOHAN DHARIA: What I (ii) The Tea (Amendment) Bill, have said a^rtady answers the hon. 1977. Member’s question. (d) Discussion on: SOME MEMBERS: rose. (i) 20th, 21st and 22nd Reports MR. SPEAKER: In calling atten of the Commissioner for Scheduled tion, nobody else is allowed. Castes and Scheduled Tribes. (ii) Report of the Union Public 13.06 hrs. Service Commission for 1975-76. The Lok Sabha adjourned for Lunch SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- till Fourteen of the Clock. kil): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in this connection I would like to in The Lok Sabha re-assembled aftf^r clude one more item, and that is this. Lunch at five minutes past Fourteen It is widely reported in the press of the Clock that the Prime Minister sent a letter to Mr. M. G. Ramachandran, Chief [Mr. D e p u t y-S peaker in the Chrir] Minister of Tamil Nadu regarding the statement on the floor of the Tamil MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, Nadu Assembly on the language iljm No. 8—Statement to be made by question. The Prime Minister told Shri Ravindra Varma, Minister of Mr. Ramachandran not to ventilate Parliamentary AfTiars. his feeling on the language issue in BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE pubUc and asked him to discuss with him privately. I believe that it is THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN not a private matter to be discussed TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR between the Prime Minister and the ((SHRI RAVINDRA VARM A): With Chief Minister and the people of the jou r permission, Sir, I rise to an- country are very much concerned nouce that Government Business in with it. Morever, I feel it is an in this House during the week commenc road into the freedom and it i.s a ing 25th July, 1977, will consist of: virtual chaos and intimidation to a Sta*e and the State parties, especially (a) ConKideration of any item of the political Party ruling a State. So, Government Bu.siness carried over I wou’d like to include this item also irom today’s Order Paper. for a debat-, next week as it is a matter of public importance and con (b) Ponsideration and passing of cern by all the people of the country. the fol'owing Bills, as passed by Rajya Sabha SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia mond Harbour): The gist of the Busi (i) The Motor Vehicles (Amend ness Advisory Comm' [Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu] mission only two hours’ time was given. that the time would be from 2.30 p.m. to 3.30 p. m. MR. ,DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is again the same thing as Mr. Jyotir moy Bosu’s. iTT^znn:, I96 0 it ^ SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: Sir, JiiT % ^3tTT SR?r % the statement that I made before the House refers to the items with which spt »r r V ?fiT Pmw^mh the Government is concerned and qx^retm ^ % tnp fnfrt ^ whiph the Government wants the SPRITE t I i)% ^ m BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE f w , ?T^T ?rnT H ^«rr T hird R eport ^ JT^'r H s n w ^ fsp THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN 25 mftw % srrmr w m TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR (SHRI RAVINDRA VARM A): Sir, I TT ?> ^ I move: “That this House do agree with SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai); the Third Report of the Business Mr. Deputy-Sp«aker, Sir, I want to Aci’^isory Committee presented to draw your kind attention to an im the House on the 21st July, 1977.” portant matter. i have given notice of a Calling Attention motion. If SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia that is admitted, then I do not want mond Harbour); I consider that be to raise the matter, i. e., in today’s cause of a printing error, they have papers it is reported that according shown it as 2 hours, against the de to the reports of foreign correspon bate on unemployment. In the BAC dents, Sanjay Gandhi had a mono meeting held last week—you. Sir, poly of some film agency in USA were presiding over the meeting then and UK. If the Calling Attention and you will remember it—we have Motion on this is admitted, then it taken a firm decision that we will is all right. If it is not admitted, devote 4 hours on the ensuing Wed then I would make a request to the nesday for the discussion on unem Government to make a factual state ployment I would request the hon. ment about the position as it ap Minister kindly to place it on record peared in the press. Secondly, I that the time fixed for the debate on would like to state that about the unemployment would be < hours, and motion on the Netaji Enquiry Com not 2 hours; 253 inland Steam- ASADHA 31, 1899 {SAKA) D. G. (Nagaland), 254 vessels (Arndt.) Bill 1977-78 SHRI SAMi^R GUHA (Contai): BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTED I have also got a submission to make, Contd. about this motion on enquiry com missions. If the time allotted is 2 T hird Rx po r t—Contd. hours, it will be too little. In the course of the deliberations of the en quiry commission, the lawyers take SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Sir, 25 days to build up the case. I have You did not put the Motion of Mr. been informed by so many friends Ravindra Varma to the vote of the that they want to participate in it. House. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It was item may come up for discussion dur missed by over-sight. I will do it now. ing the last week of the session: and The question is: I do not think we will get any other Wednesday, to which we could spill it over. Or, may be we can have “That this House do agree with 2-1/2 hours for it. the Third Report of the Busines* Advisory Committee presented to SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA; As far the House on the 21st July, 1977-” as we are concerned, our under:ilnnd- ing was that these Motions may bo The motion was adopted. taken up on the respective dates fit half-past-two. If it is the pleasure (f the House, the House can sit for a few more hours nnd thus extend lh- 14.13 hrs. di.sfussioii. DEMANDSt FOR GRANTS (NAGA 14.13 hrs. LAND), l!l77-78 INLAND STEAM-VESSELs (AMEND MENT) BILL* MR’. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Now we^ will take up the Nagaland Budget— tt: e praMK m in is t e r (SHRI MORAR.lI DESAD: I l)eg 1o move Demands for Grants ^or 1977-78. for leave to introduce a B iil further to Motion moved; amend the Inland Steam-vessels Act, “That the respective sums not ex ceeding the amounts on Revenue MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The Account and Capital Account shown question is: in the fourth column of the Order Paper, be granted to the President “That leave be granted to intro out of the Consolidated Fund of the duce a Bill further to amend the Slate of N.,galand to complete the Inland Steam-vessels Act, 1917.” sums necessary to defray the charges that will come in course of payment The motion was adopted. during the year ending the 31st day of March. 1978, in respect of the SHRI MORARJl DESAI ; I beg to heads of demands entered in the introduce the Bill. second column thereof against De mands No. 1, 3 to 9 and 12 to 54.” ’ Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary, Part II, section 2, dated 22-7-1977. tMoved with the recommendation of the Vice-President acting as President. 355 (^oviland) JULY 22, 1S77 1977-78 256 Demands fur Grants (,Nagaland), 1977-78 submitted to the vote o f Lok Sabha No. of Name of Demand Amount of Demand Amount of Demand Demand for Grant on account for Grant submitted voted by the House to the vote of the on 30-3-1977 House I 2 3 4 Revenue Capital Revenue Capital R .. R . Rs. R . I. State Lcgi laturc 17,08,000 23,92,000 3- Council of Ministers 3,57,000 5,01,000 4- Admin'stration of Justice 5,43,000 7,6 i ,cco 5- Election 9,90,000 13.85,000 6. Land Revenue, Stamps and Rigi>tration 6,88,000 9,62,000 7. State Excise . 3,33,000 4,67,000 8. Sales Tax 3.96. voo 5.54,000 9- Taxes on Veh'clcs 2,10.000 2,93,cco 12. C ’vil Secretar-ai 49,29,000 69.01,coo J3- D strict Adm'n stration, Scpec'al Welfare Schema an.i T ibat C)unc:l . . . 8i , 67,v300 1,14,33.000 14- Treaiury anJ A jc ' in s A tin n “^trauon 4,5^,000 A.30,0'‘ c J 5 Sp:c:al expi-nd-ture on maintcmncj of law and order including c.intribution for pen sion-; and gratuiti;^. . . 4,17,000 5,S3,ccc 16. Village Guards . 20,00,000 28,00,000 17- C vil Police and Fire Service U ir .2,97,48,000 4,17,000 4,16,48,000 5,S3,oo( 18. Jails 20,00,000 28,00,000 19. Stationery and Printing . 14,58,00c 20.42,00c 20. Vigilance Comm'ssion 3.33.000 4,67,00c 21. Workshop Organisation . 4,55,000 6,37,000 22. Nagaland Houses . 2,29,000 3,21,00c 23. Admin'strative Training Institute 1,54.000 2,16,00c 24. State Lotteries 7,48.000 10. J8.00C 35 Pensions and other Retirement Benefits 7,08,000 9,92,000 26. Education . . 2,91,03,000 4,07,43.000 ,-27. Art and Culture and Gazetteers Unit 4,98,000 6,97,000 ■28. M idicil, Public Health and Family Planning .... . 1,60,15,000 2,24,21,000 257 iNagaland) aIsADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) 1977-78 258 I 2 3 4 • Revenue Capiul Revenue Capital Rs. Rs. Rs. Rs. 29. Urban Development .... 6,31,000 .. 8,84,000 .. 33- Infortni:ion, Publicity and Tourism. . 14,88,000 • • ^ 0,8 2,000 .. 31- Employment Exchange . . 1,08,000 1,52,000 . . 32. Labour . . . 03,000 • • 87,000 . . 33- Community Development . 35,42,000 (9,58,000 .. 34- Social W e l f a r e ...... 21,48,000 • • 30,06,000 .. 35- Soldier>, Sailors and Airmen’s Board . 50,000 70,000 .. 36. Social Security, Welfare and Community S e r v i c e s ...... 7,50,000 . , 10,50,000 . . 37- Evaluation Unit . 67,000 • • 93,000 .. 38. Co-op;ration . . 13,88,000 i 5.79.o«« 19,42,000 22,11,000 39- Statistics . . . . 6,08,000 8,50,000 . . 40. Weights and Mea'Ures . . 1,92,000 • • 2,68,000 . . 41. Supply Offic: at Calcutta . . 71,000 • • 99,000 .. Agric'iltiire, Minor Irrigation, Fisheries, -- 4 v7,35.000 1,36,29.000 .. 43- Soil Conservation . , . 33,24,000 . • 46,54.000 . . 44- Grain Supply Scheme .... 20,71,000 1,16,40,000 29,00,0001,62,96,000 45. Aaimal Husbandry and Dairy Develop ment ...... 60,70,000 83,000 84,97,000 1,17,000 46. Forest . . . 1,18,29,000 1,65,61,000 .. 47- Industries 58,98,000 13,54,000 82,58,000 i 8,96.oco 4S. Mineral D:ve'.opment . 12,90,000 •• 18,05,000 . . 49- Power Projects . . . 1,61,12,000 79,5»i000 2,25,56,000 i,u,42,003 5:1. Road Transport .... 32,08,000 12,91,000 44,92.000 i8,osuooo 51. Hou’'.i;ig Loans and Loaas to Government Servant? , . . . . . 5,83,000 .. 8,17,000 5’-. Ptiblic Works, Housing, Roacis and Bridges ...... 6,60,11,000 2,60,56,0009,24,16,000 3>64»79.cco S3. FunctijonaV Byildings atvJ Qt^ier Develop mental Schemes . . . 81,59,000 .. 1,14,22,000 54- Water Supply Schcmes . . . . r 75.00,000 55.83.0001,05,00,000 7«.i 7.coo " 1 ’33 L S — ? ' ^59 D.G. (Nagaland) JULY 22, 1977 1977-78 260 SHRi T. A. PAI (Udipi): Mr. us, the Government have made com Deputy-Speaker, Sir, while I support mitments to the rebel Nagas for their the Budget demand for Nagaland, I rehabilitation, j am not sure whether would like to make a few observa these rehabilitation programmes have tions. The people of Nagaland are been implemented as seriously as one very simple, straight-forward and per would wish. haps one of the most unsophisticated. They are proud of their own tradi Because, while it has been a part of tions and culture. It is the influence our character to be very much con of the Christian missionaries that cerned when we are in a crisis, cnce brought them education, and also new the crisis passed on, then we forget hopes and aspirations for a better life. about what we have committed our That way, among the tribals they had selves to, and we think everything is an advantage— most of them— of hav normal. In fact, in certain areas of ing a better education and perhaps our country, these things cannot be greater acquaintance with the prob normal. It requires extraordinary lems of the world. patience and perhaps greater effort on our part to bring them into normalcy, of what they would consider as nor 1 do not know whether it is true, but malcy and not we. we hear disturbing news sometimes that there are ellorts to re-pro.'3el> tize These are areas where you have very them; and I do hope that no such considerable natural wealth. It is re etfort will be made for political rea ported we have silver, lead and coal. sons, because Christianity is one of I think we require very intensive sur the religions in our country, as much vey of these potentials. The main pro respected as Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism blem would be to build up the infra or any other religion. So, I don’t structure that can help us to develop think that creating one more problem them. in an area where we have enough pro blems already, should be consiclered a legitimate activity. In fact, this should They have great forest wealiii. As be suicidal, because it would have its a result, we had decided to start a repercussions in the rest of the coun paper factory in Tuli. Having lieen try, where people would feel a sort of acquainted with this project, I know injustice is done to them. We did not what great problems we had to facu like the original conditions, where we there. The cost of civil construciions felt that the missionaries were also in are necessarily higher than for .mother terfering politically in the Nagaland paper factory anywhere in the rest cf trouble. It has taken a long time pnd the country. The conditions nf work a painful process to bring the Nagas are very different there. With heavy into the mainstream of Indian politics, rainfall, in an area which is prone to people who refused to sing our national earthquake, a lot of steps have to be anthem. It was quite heartening and taken to prevent any calamity in pleasin g to see them, when I visited future. Now, this necessarily in Nagaland some time ago, singing the creases the cost of the plant, compared national anthem in chorus and feeling to the paper plants in the rest of the that th ey a re a real part of India, country. I would like the Govern thanks to the imaginative and con ment to see to it that the project is structive attitude taken by the civil completed in time, because it is a r.-.at- servants there, who have taken con ter of national prestige for us in that siderable! pain^ to bring about noi^ area, which is prone to propaganda malcy in a region which for m a n y vearg from our neighbouring countries like has been troublSa on account of a lot China, to show that we are com petent of rebellion. Now, in order to bring to complete the project that we have them to a better understanding with taken on hand. 26i D.G. (Nagaland) ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) 1977-78 262 Apart from this, now that the Naga parts of the country. For that reasons land Government have also contri they should not be denied the right of buted capital to this project along with using their resources when the time HPC, I am afraid that this cannot be comes and when they are prepared for treated as another public sector, where it. This exactly is the problem which we can afford to bear losses for some affects Meghalaya and Manipur in that years. Possibly, the resources of Naga. area. Therefore, I suggest that we land would not permit it. In fact, the think of developing these industries paper manufactured in the Nagaland with the abundant raw material that factory is going to be much more ex is available there. Development of pensive than the paper manufactured infra-structure also becomes a" part elsewhere. Therefore, I would suggest of it. that the additional cost of the expan sion of the railway line to the paper Again, I have seen the difficulties factory and the infra-structure cost that the small-scale industries started that are necessary to make this pro- in Nagaland suffer from. It is easy for .iect viable are given as a grant by the educated boys to enter this field, tut Central Government, and the paper when it comes to the question of getting factory start making profits right from raw materials or meeting problems of the beginning. I am afraid, unless power, it is not easy for them because, such subconventions are given, it first of all, they are new to ihis kind would be extremely difficult to open of entrepreneurship and they are not up backward areas. able to come to Delhi and get their problems solved. In fact, even regard Even as it is, for the paper pruriuced ing the essential commodities of every, in that factory for some years there day life, I realise that even if we have should be compVte exemption from controls and we allocate cement to excise. If the Government thinks that Nagaland, if the prices of cement go 11 should be treated on par with an up in Bombay or Calcutta, the t>eople other paper factory, because the new of Nagaland will not be able to buy paper factories are entitled to invest because their purchasing power is so ment allowance and 2,5 per cent rebate low that they cannot afford to pay a on excise for production for a period higher blackmarket price for the of three years, that again keeps this commodity. factory at a disadvantage, because these are concessions which are appli So, I hope Government realises ihe cable to the entire paper industry. In problems of the people living in this fact, it may require complete exemp part of the country and in meeting tion from excise for some years in their requirements of essential com order that the factory may be able to modities, it is not enough if the nor create its own resources. It is mal distribution system is taken care absolutely necessary that these steps of. I think we should go a little cut are taken because the people there of the way to see that these *hings are should have confidence in the indus ensured. try to which they had looked forward. This Nagaland paper project has Naturally, these industries would be been so planned that it will get its based on the raw materials wailable supplies of power from Assam. I am locally. In fact, at one stage we used afraid that as things stand, it would to refuse licences for some of these in be extremely difficult for this plant to dustries like plywood based on forest get its power supply from Assam. But resources on the plea that we had sur near Naginamara there are coalmines. plus capacity in the country. It is not So, we should see that a captive power the fault of these areas that they once plant is provided to this project, so used to supply ravfr materials to the that it does not suffer from want of Industries in West Bengal or other power. 263 D.G. (Nagaland) JULY 22, 1977 1977-78 264 [Shrl T. A. P ii] duced in those areas, when you cun help them. J am sure, giv«n the oppor Again, the difficulties o£ marketing tunity, the people of those areas will for the products of this area are very do very w^lL So, I think if you really considerable. We had provided foi require integration of those parts with subsidies for freight, but I was shock us, it is no use of having a National ed to And after two years that no sub Integration Committee which admit sidy had been availed of. Subsidy was that there are difficulties in integrat provided in order that these inaccessi ing our people, it would be worthwhile ble areas do not suffer for want of raw trying to integrate them by looking to materials or marketing facilities, but their problems much more realistically the fact that it was not availed of prov. than we have been able to do. ed that the subsidy was unimaginative and that it did not serve the purpose. Before I conclude, I would also like So, I would very much like that we to draw the attention of the Govern should not be satisfied merely with the ment to the functioning of the banks formulation of schemes, but should in those areas. In fact, if banking is also carefully watch and see whether to be an agency of developmei\t, it is the objectives with which we had for not enough if a branch of the bank is mulated the schemes are achieved. opened. I think, it should be manned by people with imagination, with a I may tell you that a handloom sort of missionary zeal in overcoming saree which costs Rs. 22 in Manipur the problems that they face in tnose is sold in Delhi at Rs. 60. If it is sold areas. But unfortunately because the at Rs. 22 at the retail level, the hand living conditions are diflficult there, loom weaver would not be realising the officers who are sent there, feel more than Rs. 15. What does it mean? that they are sent on punishment and 1 was surprised to find that merely be they do not involve themselves with cause the railways do not make the objectives that we have in mind. arrangements to left these goods from these far-off areas, they are transport Again, in Meghalaya, I was surprised ed over 1500 miles by trucks all the to find that the total deposits mobilised way to Delhi and, therefore, the diesel by the bjmking system was 22 crores and freight charges are added to it. but and the total advance given was only the man who produced this does not R's, 2.5 crores. I had a discussion with get much. Therefore, when you talk the bankers who are operating in that of small-scale industries, I would like area. I asked them: “When you are to emphasize the importance of the able to collect money, why do you not handloom industry in Nagaland. Every give money for all development whe woman is supposed to weave in those ther it is agriculture or small scale areas, and it is a part of the tradi industry.” The answer that i got was tional occupation of the women. that the people do not have the absorp Whereas in the South the handloom tion capacity. This is something which industry is specialised by certain com is silly. I think, as long as the men munities, in the north-eastern region are there, the absorption capacity will it is a part of the family occupation. be there. In fact, money is an instru Anything that we do to develop this ment to raise the standard of living of would immediately increase thfe income the people. Perhaps, there is a tradi- of theise families. Therefore, a greater 4fIonal attitude that it is only the rich attention will have to be gtven to the people in the country who are in a special development of the handloom position to absorb the money and can industry !n that areft and also to see make use of it. Unfortunately, the that their main difficulty of getting money lender in this country is the only yam Is alSn removed. "nieTe are person who has realised that there is plenty of other activities like horticnl- enough absorption capacity in our ^ure, in having the essential oil pro people. The Banking system is yet to 365 D.G. (Nagaland) ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) 1977-78 266 think of it. So, with these observa rule in the State. There are, indeed, tions, I bojfc that the Government will commendable attempts towards better give special attention to Nagaland be ment of the State. But I must also tell cause we are aware that after the new you frankly that it is a typical Con- Government came at the Centre, re gress-style of presentation which have crudescence of trouble is taking place little relevance with actual perform, or is expected; the rebellion is again ance and achievements. That is the raising its head. What is most im reason why I have always appealed portant is to integrate the attitude of for a change in the State. The people the people, their dedication that tMey of India gave a mandate not for the^* are part of India. India has to own old but for the new. If v\e are to them and take the responsibility of continue as the old one, we may as ■solving their problems. well call ourselves Congress. I am asking for a more imaginative and SHRIMATI RANO M. SHAIZA indigenous method for tackling its ^Nagaland); Mr. Depuly-Speaker. Sir, various problems that face the State ■we are heirs of a legacy left behind oi' Nagaland, today. If anyone here by the Congress. During the past 30 or there can boast for restoration of years of Congress rule, in all fairness, peace in Nagaland, the credit goes to let us admit that they did make spec the Nagaland Peace Council whose tacular progress in all fields of en combined effort with the UDF policy deavour both internally and interna of reconciliation made it possible for tionally. But in the later part of the the representative of the Government Congress rule, we have seen the coun of India, Mr. L. P. Singh and the try drifting away from Gandhian representatives of the underground values to a state of chaos and despotic organisation to reach an Accord in Tule particularly after the Allahabad November, 1975. High Court judgment. The individual freedom and democratic ideals which Now, the question before the new every individual citizen of this nation Parliament and the new Government so dearly cherished were wantonly is whether to destroy our opponents or mauled and mutilated without any to turn our opponents into powerful ^nse of proportion. The experience friends. Since my time is limited, I tjf the recent two years, we all felt cannot go into details but I can tell intolerable, and the result was a total you without hesitation that the prob rejection of that policy by the people lem which had defied solution for the •of India as evidenced by the 1977 past 30 years can be solved without parlianventary election results. resort to mutual destruction and pre conditions for confrontation. Human Since the outbreak of political con problem must find an answer that is flict in Nagailand, the people there human. It will be a futile exercise to liave seen and experienced for over 20 go into any discussion without ade years a situation far worse and pain quate ground being prepared. As a ful than what we all experienced Naga. permit me to say what the •during the emergency under Congress people want. We want no special flule. treatment, no special protection, but we do appeal to you as our elder I am not going to touch controver. brothers and sisters for your goodwill si&l issvies as to go into the question and understanding to recognise what of who is right and who is*wrong. I we are, Just as we are our right to that, want us all to search for an answer to live our way of life in this enormous and do what is right so that the unfor country of ours. What is wrong if we tunate past is not repeated. have Swadharma for answers to our various national problems? Is that not I have gone through some of the re- what we all cherish and strive for T)0frt8 of performance by the Nagaland regardless of our political and religious Government during the President’s afnUa^tlons? We surely can have peace 267 D.G. (Nagaland) JULY 22, 1977 1977-78 26S [Shrimati Rano M. Shaiza] therefore, may I appeal to the hon. in Nagaland if we pursue the right Home Minister and the Finance Minis ter to look into the matter sympathe. course of action. Our Prime Minister ' has a fouillatrf of wisdom and I wish tically so that there is no cause for resentment leading to agitation. I have that wisdom employed rather than also observed that replies to questions depend on those who brought down raised in the House with regard to the fall of the former Prime Minister allotment of land to non-Nagas and Let us have a totally different out other questions are evasive and wrong. look and approach in a very dispas I hop>e this abuse will not be repeated sionate manner. It will be wrong to in the future. I forgot to mention simplify the gravity of a human prob above one point regarding dearness lem as some did in the past. We have allowance of the Nagaland employees. a new Parliament and a new Govern They claim nothing more than the ment committed to the people to rate now allowed to Assam Govern redeem our election pledges. We have ment employees with eiTect from 1st April, 1974. a new team in the Government with leadership who have records of sacri. In September Octolier, 1975, some fice in the service of the nation. Let Naga educated youths unable to bear us use the new mandafe to re-shape the harassment moted out to them by the destiny of this nation. Nagas will the authority left Nagaland. This become a happy and proud partner of happened at a time when the Congress this great countrj' when that vision of were on their hey days. The relations, modern India is projected. friends and all well wishers made appeals and conducted searches. The The new Government has a .special State authority gave assurances of responsibility as I have said, we are welcome and said that nothing would heirs of the great legacy both good happen to them if only they would and evil. There must be a changed return home. To these exercises, some attitude and outlook. The people of responded and returned, and after India have voted for a new national interrogations, were released, while life rejecting the old national life. some others are still detained at Kohima jail since arrest, the autho Nagaland needs planned economic rities having turned a deaf ear to a* development to preserve its classless kinds of petitions. society and not to suit the whims of A large number of political workers political stooges which have created including Ministers of Vizol’s UDF economic disparity and political feu Ministry were arrested and detained dalism. We need a very good hospital under MISA outside our State at Now- In the capital for training both doctors gong and Shillong since November, and nurses and for treatment of 1976. They were released only after diseases for which facilities are not Janata Government were installed at available in the State. The present the Centre. Besides these, Mr. TOUL- hosirital in the capital at Kohima is a HOU, a Kohima village elder who is gift from the British for the services also a prominent G.B. (Gaonbura— rendered by the Nagas during the village administrator) was arrested in Second World War. May I request the early part of December, 1975, de our new Government to consider tained at Shillong special lail in Me making a gift of a new hospital in the ghalaya state from lOth December to capital of Nagaland for which plans 24th March, 1977.. While in detention, have already been submitted. he was subjected to most inhuman tortures starting from electric shocking The Nagaland employees in the with strong enough current to render lower pay structure are very agitated him unconcious, red hot iron placed over its issue of “Dearness Allowance” . before his eyes for 20 minutes together. Their grievances are genuine and When he could not open his eyes, the 269 D.G. (Nagaland) ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAK^) 1977-78 27O interrogator opei^ed his eyes by force. arrested and detained under DIR. This continued for 20-36 minutes. As The School was later taken over by a result of this, his eyesight is damag the Lions Club of Dimapur.” ed today. They stripped him naked (the body portion)—except his short “For the purpose of securing pub pant—and made him stand the whole lic safety and maintenance of public night in that cold weather in Shillong. order, the State Government in e x e r All his nails were pricked with sharp cise of the powers conferred by Rule pins. These miseries continued tor 69 of the Defence of India Rules, days together. They were reported to 1971 restricted the holding or taking the authorities concerned, but there part in public processions, meetings has been no response of any kind till or assemblies and further prohibited today. any person from taking part in de monstrations, iiide notification dated If they were not arrested for political 30th June, 1975.” reasons, for political motivations, then they deserved to be tried and convict- Then we come to ‘General Adminis cd. Whether one was a villager or a tration’ in that Report: former Prime Minister, if one was not guilty on this count, one should not “ The authorised IAS cadre have been touched at all. Those peo strength of Nagaland is 45 out of ple should not have been arrested in which 38 posts are for direct recruits this way. Why should they not come and 7 for promotees from State Civil out boldly and admit facts? Services and other services.” According to the latest Home Minis In spite of the former Adviser’s try’s decision, the quota has to be 33 ^iptive participation in Congress Party 1/3 per cent. Previously they had election campaign in Nagaland, nothing said that it would be 25 per cent. Cer has been done; nothing has been done, tainly, when you have 45 or so, seven no action has been taken against gov is not 25 per cent of that. This is how ernment servants indulging in such they have been treating the Naga (inwarranted activities. How are we people, the Naga employees, the Naga to bring about a change when we fail officials, etc. I would not go into the to reprimand the guilty? I only appeal number of plains people they have that the villagers should not be victi imported. Why should the Nagas be mised because of their failure to treated with utter suspicion? They are attend to the immediate requirements our own people; they are our own there. flesh and blood; they are all Indians. Why is it that you have been treating SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond them with utter mistrust and distrust? Harbour): On seeing the budget pa This is most unfortunatte. You have pers, I feel that, perhaps, these were come to a sort of Police State in Naga drafted and prepared earlier; they, land, a Police State within a police perhaps, thought that the same Gov country. ernment would come back to power. I will tell you the reasons for the same. “The Inspector General of Police If you see the Annual Administration exercises overall control of the Report, you will find that if has been entire-----” drafted in keeping with the attitude of the former Prime Minister of the The population is 5-1/2 lakhs. Congress Government. It says on page 3; “The Inspector General of Police exercises over all control of the en “After declaration of emergency tire Police Force in the state. Be — four persons of banned Anand sides, five Nagaland Armed Police Marg Organisation who were runn Battalions and 3 District Executive ing a Primary School were also Force___ ’’ 271 D.G. (Nagaland) JULY 22, 1977 1977-78 272 [Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu] iron rod was reheated and put close to my eyes while his other hand etc., etc. It is a long list. The total held my hair forcing my head close strength of Other Ranks comes to to it. I closed my eyes due to into 2,492. Besides that, you have the vast lerable pain. The officer then security forces. What are they doing forced open my eyes two times there? causing irrepairable damage to my eyesight. This torture continued Shrimati Shaiza has quoted one case. ab o u t 30 minutes. He then thrust I have got another. This is about one a pin into my nail on every finger Mr. Toulhou, L. Khel. Kohima Village, and every time he wanted to make Kohima District, Nagaland. me confess an offence of which I am ignorant. T hey th en m ade Now, Sir, this man was detained me stand naked in the cold night under MISA from 10th December (it was winter in Shillong). I 1976 to 26th M arch 1977. Thanks to was not allowed even to lean the people of this country and thenks against the wall”. to the people who mobilised the peo ple, today at least we are living in As a result of this, this man has al a democratic state: otherwise, this most gone blind and he cannot make country would h^ve gone the Hitle a living. Earlier he was making a rian way or worse. This is an living by working in the fields. He example. The statement, which is has a host of children— about seven under his signature— I can show it to of them. So I want an assurance you if you like— says; from the Hon. Minister that he will find out who the SIB official was who had tortured this gentleman and "O n th e 17th January 1977, I w a s others and, at the same time, I would taken out of the Shillong Special like this Government to come forward Jail to another office at Shillong with a liberal compensation to those (and I was interrogated again by persons who have been victims of some officers in civil dress reported this barbaric treatment by the Indira to be SIB officers. I was interro Government. That is the minimum gated day and night but I was not demand i can place before the House. physically tortured till 19th J a n u a r y 1977. O n th e 19th January. 1977, At the same time, i would like to at ab o u t 6.00 P. M., when others know from the Hon. Minister left, four persons whom I can iden how many persons were kept tify started interrogating me. One in prison and how many prose of them knows a little bit of An- cutions were launched against gami language (my mother tongue) those cormected with some poli also. One of them, with fair com tical movement, beginning with the plexion, tall and emaciated figure, commencement of Emergency on 25th a bit long and slanting forward Ju n e, 1975 u p to 25th M arch , 1977 chin with a female-like voice start It was on the 2Stfa Ju n e, 1975 th at the ed torturing me at about 7.00 P . M. black days of India started. I would ■v^kh electirc shock. I was shock like to have the fullest details ot ed six times with high power and ill pterions *who were detained cr I was made to fall down heavily harassed through prbsecutions— every time, causing me almost un of those perslons who have a ix)litical conscious. He is the only man backgr6iind—land the numberi of who tortured me all alone. At those who are now detained or are iabout 7.30 P.M. my garments were being prosecuted on political grounds. stripped off frotn my body except m y short pant. Then with a fully Now, coming to the D em an d s, heated red iron rod he tortured me P a g e 23, last para^aph of the Ad- on the knee and on the arm. The ministirative Report says that during 273 (Nagaland) ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) 1977-78 274 the financial j«ear 1976-77 it is pro in 1974-75 it is Rs. 3 lakhs and in posed to increase the revenue by 1975-76 it is Rs. 3 lakhs. I would •intensifled ^<&xation measures, and like this to be elaborated. continuing with the Family Benefit Now, I would go to the budget scheme and that the Department also papers. The Head of the State in proposes to increase GPF etc. etc. Nagaland, that is, the Governor, is a This has ijow been crossed out. Now, retired Home Secretary from the since the Janata Government has Centre. These people never retire taken over, they have crossed it out till they have a State funeral. The — and that is why I said that it is Head of the State of Nagaland is the what it is. Governor of five States in the North We see that during the last three Eastern region. In the Bill, a sum years there has been no increase in of Rs. 7.38 lakhs is being provided tax collections. Why is it so? It for him. Let us multiply it by five is because there is a corrupt bureau- and we would get an idea of the ci^acy functioning there: they are total amount. I would like to give hand-in-gloves with the traders. Tax to the House certain other figures; evasion is more or less a recognised foodgrain output 2,000 matric tonnes thing. In 1973-74 it is Rs. 3 lakhs, increase and in respect o^ area under Rs. Servicing of Debt n Revenue 2.75.40.000 Capiral 5.70.60.000 Civil Secretariat 1,18,30,0c o Special "xpenditure on mainrenanc'* of law order including contribution for pen'iions and gratuties ..... 10.00.000 Village guards . 48.00.000 Civil Police and Fire Service unit . . Revenue 7)I3>96, oco Capital 10.00.000 Jails ... . 48.00.000 All this is for a population of five terracing, the increase is on ly 1.2 per and a half lakhs. Does this give cent etc., this presents a very you an idea that we are living in a miserable picture. The develop welfare State? Further, the admini mental programme has been, more or strative services non-plan expendi less, very unimpressive and the per ture is Rs. 1266.17 lakhs and its per- formance has been next to nothing. ic^tage of the total expenditure is The Governor of Nagaland enjoys '20.36 per cent. For a population of a special power uiider Articles 371(1) ftve and a half lakhs, it works out to (b) of the Costitution. Why is it so? Rs. 200 per head How can you do Are we trying to suspect the elected any developmental work and wel people in Nagaland? Would it not be fare work when all your money is keeping th« peoples' elected Govern being eaten away by police, security ment under a dense cioud of suspi services, administrative services, jails cion? It is in a way an insult that is etc? being inflicted on the peoples' elected Government in Nagaland. If you see page 26 of the brief re Now, I would like to tel] the House port highlighting the important mea- about one gentleman, who was very sur«B after 30th June, 1977, we see mHch unwanted there. He is Mr. for agriculture, the gross cropped Ramutiny the present Adviser to the areas growth rate is 2000 hectares, ^faffaland Government. He is a 275 (Najoland) JULY 22, 1977 1977-78 276 [Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu] steaunroll them and bulldoze them in the name of bringing them into the former Special Secretary to the Go mainstream. We should allow them vernment of Nagaland and attained to retain their cultural heritage and the age of 58 years on 15-9-1973. He habits and that is how we could have was given four extensions in service unity in diversity. each of six months upto 14.3.1976. He 'was subaequentliy appointed on We should not send security forces, re-employment basis for a period of one battalion after another, to bring one year. On completion of this repression and send CIB officials to term of re-employment, he relin torture these Nagas because we do quished charge on 31-3-1977. Shri not want our own people to be con Ramunny’s services were extended verted into our enemies. from time to time because of his long experience of Nagaland administra SHRI M. N. GOVINDAN NAIR tion. In view of the uncertainty (Trivandrum): I beg to remind both regarding the period for which the the ruling party and the former rul President’s rule was to be continued, ing party that we had acceded state it was considered adviseable not to hood to Nagaland...... change the Adviser dealing with the development departments. Advisers SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Get rid to the Governor, when a State is of Mr. Ramunny. Otherwise there under President’s rule, are often ap will be trouble in this House. pointed from among the retired offi cers. There are numerous instances SHRI M. N, GOVINDAN NAIR: of such appointments in various And I consider that it is a political States. crime to continue the President’s rule in Nagaland when all indications are Sk), Mr. Ramunny is an indispens that the people of Nagaland have able character for Nagaland and changed dra.stically in favour of our if you take an opion poll in Nagaland country. you will find that he is the most un wanted, the most undesirable persons There is no question of an inde who has been dabbling in politics and pendent' Naf^aland. It is part of our taking recourse to all sorts of wicked country and it should continue to be methods. I would demand that this so. On that issue there are no two opi gentleman. Mr. Ramunny, be imme nions. But I strongly feel that in diately recalled and sent back to his stead of bringing this Budget to this home. We have plenty of people in House, the proper place where this this country who can do real service should have been discussed was the to the people. . ----- elected Assembly in Nagaland itself. When We had Assembly elections in MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The hon a number of State recently, we Member’s time is up. Now, please could have conducted elections there conclude. also. Unfortunately, that was not done. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I would not take much time. Now, I have to remind the govern ment that the condition in Nagaland I woxUd like to say that we are a is enirely different from what it was multi-national country and we must in 1954 when Mr. Phizo had announc have unity in diversity. The Naga* ed his idea of an independent Naga have their own distinct culture, heri land or when he formed the Naga tage and tradition and their vlllag* Central Government in 1956. By econcfnic system is something very 1975 when we had the Shillong agree usefu' I'hefore, we do not want to ment, by that time the armed forces 277 (^<^Oaland) ASADHA 31, 1899 [SAKA) 1977-78 278- of the undergrolmd Nagas, most of There is absolutely no justification, ‘them, had come up the upperground for continuing President’s Rule now and they have been absorbed either in Nagaland. This is only helping in the Border Security Force or in those people who want to create pro the Armed Police Force or in the blems there. My feeling is that the Railway Security Force. I am recent call for revival of armed strug mentioning this to show that these gle for independent Nagaland by underground Nagas had given up arm Phizo was because you were indiffe ed action but they have joined the rent to the democratic rights of the government in such a way that you people in Nagaland. could put them in the very strategic and important places. The other day when this question was discussed in this House, the The Commander-in-Chief of the Prime Minister promised that he Border Security Force is one who would deal with the loyal Nagas with was once a leader of the underground respect, consideration and equality. Armed Forces. At ^the ShiHong These three words mentioned by him Conference when negotiations were are very important, I want this taking place the Generals of the un Janata Government to consider whe derground Nagas had informed the ther they are treating these people hegotiators that they will honour with respect, consideration and whatever agreement the negotiators equality. make. True to their word, all of them have come over ground and now You are their rulers now. Strong they are in the peace camps. words and even military might can 15 brs. never be a substitute for political sagacity and mature statemanships. This change of attitude in the un Unfortunately that is what is wanting derground people was mainly because in the present situation and unless we the villagers who earlier supported correct ourselves, I am afraid, the them are now persuading them to stituation in Nagaland may worsen, give up armed activities. So, an and we will have to repent for it entirely new situation exists in later. With these words I conclude Nagaland. There is normalcy and my speech. Thank you . can have normal procedures. Normal procedure according to me is to re MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There store democratic rule in that area. are many chits which hon. Members are sending to me. We have allotted Earlier election was conducted only one hour for this. There have therte. But that Government was been already four or five speakers. toppled by the wisdom of the people I do not think we can spend much of the then Home Ministry. I see no time on this. At 3-30 P.M. we reason why election could not be have to take the Private Members’ conducted now. Business. As my tfriend Shri Pal pointed SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE (Ahmednagar): I was the first to give out—when there is a crisis, all of us my name. pay attention and when the crisis is over and normalcy is restored, we forget them. As he pointed out, MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Not they are militant people but they are about you. I am talking about the- very honest and to them the word chits that are coming. is law and they expect all of us also to behave in that manner. Shri Shinde. ::279 (Nagaland) JULY 22, 1977 1977-78 280 SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: the Constitution Thirteenth Amend Mr, Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I am thank- ment Bill conferring statehood for fiil to you for giving me this oppor Nagaland Pandit Nehru said: ' tunity to speak on Nagaland Budget. ‘We have always made a politi Sir. when the interim budget was cal approach, the approach to make moved by the hon. Minister I also these people friends and citizens £ took the opportunity to make cer India. And yet, in spite of all tain observations. this, in spite of the care that we have taken, the kind of propaganda As is very well-known to the House, that has been made by Phizo and the entire North Eastern region, es some of his Lieutenants has been pecially, the region of Nagaland, Aru- quite extraordinary and quite ou t nachal Pradesh and Mizoram have rageous in its character.’ special political and economic prob lems. They have got special social problems also. Therefore they de What has been the experience of serve all sympathy from all sides of the Prime Minister recently has been the House. corroborated by what Panditji has said at that time in 1962. Therefore, I don’t think we should really bother Sir, I have been one of those who ubout it too much. We have to find have been taking interest in the North economic solutions to the problems Eastern Region. of Nag'aland. Unfortunately, we are discussing As far as political solutions are con tnp Budget in the background of the cerned. Nagaland has been given threat advanced by Phizo. He is now Statehood. Not only Statehood, but threatening us. Our Prime Minister special protection has been given. htid given a reply to him and I am Article 46 gives special protection quite sure the entire country will to tribal areas. It says; •be with the hon. Prime Minister be cause many things have changed. As my colleague Mr. Govindan Nair has “The State shall promote with said, many thi-ngs have changed and special care the educational and now Phizo will not find that much economic interests of the weaker support which he onCe had. Politically sections of the people of the, Sche-' many things have changed. Persistent duled Castes and the Scheduld steps have been taken by the Govern Tribes and shall protect them from ment to find political solution to their social injustice and all forms of problems. Therefore we should not exploitation.” attach too much importance to what he -has said. The Prime Minister him. self referred to the fact that he has Our Constitution has gone further even tape-recorded his speech and he as far as Nagaland is concerned and Aiticle 371(A) is very explicit. has distorted that speech. That is to say, some words have bene omitted and that tape is being read-out to Shrimati Rano M. Shaiza referred the Naga people in order to mislead to some of the problems of Nagaland them. and said that some non-Naga people have grabbed land in Nagaland. Sir, I am not surprised about this. Even during Pandttji’s time Phizo has played the same game. On Then, there is a specific provision’- 28-8-62 at the time of the passing of in our Constitotion to provide lor 28i D.G. (Nagaland) ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) 1977-78 282 s^iai tzeaiment to the people of are denuded. According to the Na Nagaland. Article 371A says: — tional Forest Policy, Resolution sixty per cent forests are required. Coffee “ (1) Notwithstanding anything in and tea plantation is also possible this Constitution,— there. I do not want to cover all the points. I am sorry to say that * (a) no Act of Parliament in while the hon. Minister was reply respect of— ing to the budget I put a specific (i) rehgious or social practi question to which he said that he ces of the Nagas, had no time to attend to this area and that when he comes before the fii) Naga customary law and House with his budget he would try procedure, had no time to attend to this area (iii) administration ol civil He actually said that when he comes and criminal justice involving before us with his budget he would dcKiisions according to Naga be in a position to attend to their customary law, problems. I am sorry to say that on looking into the budget in details (iv) ownership and transfer I find that what has been done by the of land and its resources, shall Janata Government does not get re apply to the State of Nagaland flected in the budget. I have got unless the Legislative Assem the figures with me but I do not want bly of Nagaland by a resolu to take much time of the House. For tion so decides;” instance taking agriculture, minor irrigation and fishery, the hon. Min We have created Nagaland with spe ister argued that Rs. 2.33 crores had cial status. been provided for agriculture and minor irrigation as also for develop Many of the special rights normally ment of fishery. If we look into the vest in the Nagaland. As far as the budget, we will find that not a sub people of Nagaland are concerned, stantial provision has been made at they have been given special status. all. Look at the figure for 1975-76. I have no quarrel with that. For in Rs. 2.26 lakhs have been provided for. stance, Shrimati Shaiza said that I can go On giving you figures like Ihcy require b hospital; the Local this. Take for instance cooperation, 'Government employees want D.A. I soil conservation, animal husbandry have no quarrel over that. If there etc. The position remains the same. are genuine difficulties they should I wish the Finance Minister is in a be solved by flndimg a solution to position to attetid to these areas; they their problems. The problem of Naga deserve our special sympathies. I land can be solved only by deve know the Finance Minister is having lopment of agriculture and by deve pressure from all sides and from all loping their economy. Unfortunately, sectors. I know it. After all these the development of agriculture and require special sympathies and we the economy is not being done sat should be generous in making pro isfactorily. Last time, on the bud- visions as far as these areas are con 'set, while I was speaking I mention cerned. ed some points about the productivity of rice in Nagaland which was the I won’t go into all aspects of agri lowest as compared to other parts of culture. But, I would like to touch the country. It is only 550 kg per hec upon more important aspects of agri tare. I would not like to cover the culture. In this region that is very ■ Ki'ound over and over again. Naga vital from the point of view of deve land consists of only 15 per cent lopment of this area. For instance, a forests. This is one of the most beau lerjge amount needs to be invested for tiful places in the country. The foresti treining the farmers. If we go round 283 D.G, (Nagolond) JULY 22, 1977 1977-78 284 [Shri Annasaheb P. Shinde] India is concerned if anything comes from Nagaland it goes to Home Min .about K o h im a there are good rice istry. I would like to suggest that fields which are as good as Punjab as far as development aspects are rice fields. Beyond that region, we find concerned a special development wing jhuming cultivation—poor rice crops should be organised with exi)erts. rising. Even the modem tools have not been introduced in this area. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, jhuming There are certain unsettled things. I cultivation is a very very primitive ra'^ed the point last time. My col- practice in this area. This practice! iejigue Shri Patil also raised the same has to be changed gradually by per- pcint last time. I do not want to s'lasion. There is a fertile land there raise the question from the point of view of any dispute or controversy. i.'id the productivity there can be My point is that there are very many higher than that of even Punjab. The water resources in this area re special problems which are to be at- quire to be harnessed. Though this ter ded to. To my mind the most im ;;rea has a very heavy rainfall, yet portant one is the development of agriculture. Most important thing is 90 to 95 per cent of the water goes waste. development of man; then comcs soil conservation. For all this, a aubstan- tial provision will have to be made. Sir, very bold decisions are re A number of suggestions have been quired to be taken for bringing about mode by an expert committee. I am improvement in this area. I will sum H’r king my observations based on the up; rtLiciy of that report. I quote: “The realisation of this objective “ In primitive economy, very often, would as much depend on a co the constraint of new tools is much ordinated and properly worked out more significant than the skill to programme as on two other contri handle it. butory factors. First, a determina tion that growth has to be foster ed. So far as considering the deve “ ....This is clearly exemplified lopment of tribal societies in India, in the complete changeovt'r from Government policy has been vascil- shifting cultivation to permanent lating between promotion of pro terrace cultivation among the An.^a- gress and preservation of the past. mis. To acquire the skill to use As a result the effort has been half a spacle, among people -uSed to hearted and the results far from slinging the dao would have taken satisfactory. It is essential to do very little time and effort. And away with this vascillation and take since labour, and a social system, an unequivocal stand for progress. which could organise labour into Once this is done, it will not be cooperative action, was available difficult to find such means of bring the introduction of the spade would ing about progress which do not have triggered off the innovator, conflict with the cultural growth of provided of course, that the inno ihe people.” vator had the status or persuasive capacity to overcome the formid Therefore, Sir, I would like to sub able forces for conformity.” mit that Government should adopt an altogether different approach to the So, Sir, what is required is to intro problems of the people in this area. duce practices of modern agriculture. T h e4r problems require diflerent so In this connection I may point out lutions aa compared to th© problems that the present set-up of the Agri of the people of the plains. I am quite culture Department there is not de sure if their problems are attended sirable. As far as Government of to they will be able to play a fuller 285 ASADHA 31. 1899 (SARA) 1977-78 286 part anfl also contribute to the im in Nagaland. We must not shut our provement of our national economy. eyes. The remaining part of the coun try cannot shut its eyes to what is SHRI PURNA SINHA (Tezpur): happening in Nagaland at the moment. Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, we do not minimise the importance of undertak I would therefore suggest that the ing development work in Nagaland. Government should give a very deep The people there should be persuaded thought over this situation which is to leave Jhum cultivation and 'idopt serious). Some immediate steps are to terrace cultivation. Exploration of be taken for the security of the people Nagaland for natural resources should of Nagaland who are desirous of re be boosted up. A bold step has to maining in the main-stream of the be taken in this respect also. nation. Previously, the number of At the same time, Sir, you will ap voter.s enumerated in the Parliamen preciate there is resurrection of the tary Constituency of Nagaland for the insurgency movement in Nagaland March election were 4.5 lakhs. For the after the failure of talks between Mr. ensuing election, it had come down to Phizo and our Prime Minister in Lon 9.6 lakhs; almost 80,000 voters had not don. Some of the emissaries of Mr. enumerated for their right of fran Phizo. namely, Mr. Khotao and Mr. chise. They have some of the sup Imakanganshi have come from U.K. porters of the independent Nagaland and they are organising insurgency movement. They have already dis- across the border. Last month across .sociated themselves from the right of the border inside Burma there was a voting and got their names removed conference of the Shan, Kachin rebels from the voters’ list. They are now and Naga underground tribes. They preparing themselves for other activi have a plan to establish an Asian ties. Mongolian State. The freedom seek ing Nagas of Nagaland and Manipur My friend, Mr. Shinde, who has just are preparing to infiltrate into India now spoken about the necessity of with 600 young educated Nagas train developing Nagaland, should have ed in Communist China in Guerilla gone to Nagaland as Lt. Governor, warfare. They are preparing for in instead of getting himself elected to surgency in Nagaland and they are this House. Sir, there are many other getting ready for a show-down for things to be looked into. Time allow final .settlement of the Naga problem, ed I would elaborate. There is one since negotiation has failed. As is Governor for 5 States in the North the philosophy of a certain political Eastern part of India. He has to look party, t h e y are resisting the Nagaland after Assam, Meghalaya, Manipur, citizens .ioining the national main Nagaland, and Tripura. Is it- possible stream. Therefore, Sir, I would sub for one man? Each State has got its mit that the Government of India OT^Ti problem which has to be solved should pay greater attention for the in a different way. The present pat security of this land by posting more tern therefore, of administration is Intelligence men in Nagaland at the to be changed in the whole of North village guard level so that the under Eastern part of India. There should ground activities of the guerillas could be a separate Governor for each of be checked. At the same time in the these States so that the administration Eastern part of Manipur, across the of these States can be done more inti border, one mobile underground lea mately, efficiently and quickly. The der. Shri Muiboi, with a large num development of these States can also ber of trained insurgents is waiting to take place more speedily. Thank you enter into Manipur and then to Naga for calling me up to speak. land. Already the District Magistrate of Ukhrul has promulgated curfew in ^ : inrpfhr 23 villages mostly inhabited by Naga people. This is the political situation T n nror w r fftv aft 287 D.G. (Nagaland) JULY 22, 1977 1977-78 28g [ift ??T] ^ I ^ «TJ^ t 5TW # itnjspr ^ sfr ^ ^ ^ STHWT f, ^ gTTir JTin qi!T ^ t, Jf ^ % w im J f ^ % siTKr ^RiTO’ Jr ^ i % f?fTT HTT I I ^ ^ sTTif 5nr, rft ^ ^rJlT f5T?T T R i r ^ ^ eft # SnUT^TT % STTOTT TT T^^TT ^ ftr q-nrr#5 ttjjt iT^o tfto ?rrp- ^ "TT HTTfT % ® tr PTT f^JTT 3rnr i t 7T t I ^ ^ rrfT fpT% I I W 9 R t ^r q « r >?r?xrT «tt f% 't ?t o ■ft'o ^ it^?1t7tjt m w m «tt, i%5 ?nf? ^r»ft ^ ?r ^ ^ JTft 5qr^ ^ ^ % in r k TT5JT ^^3n% 5r I ff- SFT^ ^ ^ ^ 5rrar «tt i ^TfcTT «IT i% ^ >T^ Trnr, %%5T ^ ^'r HT+T'< iint, ^%?T 'TtTT ^ ^r«T Ii+Hfdl ^ fJT ^'t ^|iT gftiff ^ jm T^ iTR, # ^ ^ ?mT 5FRT ?mPT ^ I IT^ t ^nm. ^ 5iW »ft ^ ?TT^ ?mH- ^ T ^ ^ 3ft irfsPFRt TT3T- ^ ?n t| I, ft gw JT^ ^ 5ff?rT if ^ f ? n ? ^ 5Ft 3Jo ^Vo T^ ^ fr t % f^tcrir I I ^ IT^io ^ ^<. ^ ^ srnr i w k t s t i r it ^ t r w szrer ^ ir?r 5 ft^ ^ ^TiTcTT tr q o t r ^ o 5T^?r % ar|cT ^ ^ - j f r ? 5fm ^ TTo 3FT «r?^ triTo tfto Jfft 3|T ^ wlii-*fldl tj^yr ^>TrT f I ?T^^ft I, ^ Iff t ?I^^rt I , ^ 't I , ¥TVTT ^ JIi5 =sD^ f. iT^mr ? R - IHTT >i*l'ti<,^ii^ ^ «(<;H'lI ‘^n^+'H ^ f i n f t ^ WiT 3Tt f?T ?TTf ^ ^ ? r W ^trrfV gTTTOT I , 5ft I I ' T f ^ v V t »I«^ smr^PT ^ ^ w t ^ W[^ OHT^ % r W l ^ ^ ^ tTT TTsrTfrror^^ ^ irf ttht «?r, ?rn]; ^ »RT t. ^ ^ ;3 ^ 5TT ^% 5T f ^ STT, ^ ^r ?ft? ? I ^ -^mft 3H ctt «< 4 .i< ^ ^ I R T «TT— 5 F T ^ ^ f f f ST^jT ^ fTT? ^ iirmT ^rnrm ^ | i ^^J I ? 5nr?TT % ? r f l T ^ «ft <^5To Tto ^ 5ft ^ % I, IJ ^ «Pl ^ ^ % f^r^f ^ ^ ^8$ D.G. (Nagaland) ASAD^HA 31, 1899 (SAKA) 290 1977-78 ^ ^ I 5rf^i^ =1^1 15.30 hn. ^rff |?rT I STATEMENT RE RE-PAYMENT OF SECOND INSTALMENT OF ADDI ^TTTsirw ^ TIONAL DEARNESS ALLOWANCE ^ SPT t i ^ ^ ^r ®rr cl? DEPOSITS ^r t ?t «rr i srrsr «rp THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ^Tlt fqTTJT^ ^ qr ^ I I REVENtTE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): A Bill to further ^ ^ ^ JRT ^ ff'T’T ^ amend the Additional Emoluments ^ Tfr I, qr fsRT aTif w: (Compulsory Deposit) Act, 1974 was Tfe=r^ ^■'TT^ ^T-"? p, ^ %■ introduced in the "Lok Sabha on Hth June, 1977 and was passed by the Lok ¥frir ?TT| sfr f^TSTT-^sn ^'f Sabha on 18th June, 1977. The bill i f wFfr |, t ^ if ^ sought to replace the Ordinance issue- f, ; fT^, t fiJTirm g ed by the Vice-President acting as President on 9th May, 1977. It pro f5^■ %?r-TFr 5fR 71^ % fmrr ^ vided that (i) compulsory deposit of ^r?)- ?V jfrfr | i t =^T^?rT ^ 3^ additional dearness allowance would cease from 6th May, 1977 and (ii) re ^ f^TTtin: w'l frmf^TW^ payment of the second instalment of f5Fnn r r i ^ftr t'j ?rfr ftr^rT additional dearness allowance deposits fcji,- 3ri^- ^r €r i due from 6th July, 1977 would not be in cash but would be, by credit to provident fund accounts of employees. ?TT'T l % ? — ^ fw ^ ; sn^TTfr During the course of the debate m the iT^r^ «r— 1975-76 # 1 052 SnwCf Lok Sabha, it was suggested that the c\ rate of interest on the proposed ac 5r, 197P-77 ^r lf)58f>»T'T, cretions to the provident fund should ^r m | rrsp ?rT?r it rfV^ be the same as payable on the depo sits impounded under the Compulsory snTrrfr I a'T? firf?^ Deposit Scheme. In order to protect ^ ^ 1 975-76 ir 248 ar, the interests of employees. I readily 1976-77 IT 2585T»riT— 1 0 accepted this suggestion. It will thus be seen that in bringing forward this ^r^i'fh ^ ^ HHiH'S % bill, Government’s intention was to ^ % ?FT?: ^ ?mrr meet all genuine demands of emplo yees, consistent with the need to pre ?T7% f 11 iT3"r 5fr ^ |— vent resurgence of inflationary pres TFTRTT ^r ^ ^ % 5T9rr^nT sures. ^r ?=RTfgrf ^ ^?=Tf:f»T^ A large number of representations i4'^ ’Tir=?: 5T ?T%, ^ ^ ^'t have been received by Government itp^ 5Erk # irrgn f r ^ ^ from employees, employees’ associa tions. trade unions etc. welcoming the % ^7 I, % sr^ ir ?mr decision of Government to discontinue TFJq- I I the imooundinK of additional dearness allowance from 6th May. 1977 but re questing Government to reconsider the ?Ts?f%?rr«Tt f?r Rt»flf ^r ?nT- decision to credit repayments due from ’q-'T i I 6th July, 1977 to provident fund ac counts of employees. These represen MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The tations have been sympathetically hon. Finance Minister will reply on considered by Government. Informal Monday. Now, he may make the consultations have been held with re- statement which he wanted to make. presentatiTcs of trade unions to see if a way could be fotmd to meet the de- 1703 LS—10. 291 Re-payment of JULY 22, 1977 292 second instalment of addl. D.A. deposits (St.) [Shri H. M. Patel] 15.38 hrs. mands of workers consistent with the COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEM continued need to curb undue expan BERS' BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS sion in money supply. In the course of these consultations, we also consi T hird R eport dered a suggestion that instead of accretion to provident funds, SHRI YADVENDRA DUTT (Jaun- repayments under the CDS p u r): Sir, I beg to move: could be made in the form of bonds carrying an attractive rate of interest. “ That this House do agree with the Third Report of the Committee 'However, as no consensus emerged on on Private Members’ Bills and any alternative scheme. Government Resolutions presented to the House have concluded that the most practical on the 20th July, 1977." course of action would be not to go ahead with the amending bill. SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH Accordingly as a further gesture of (Hoshangabad): Sir, I wish to raise goodwill towards the organised work just one point regarding this report. ing classes, it has now been decided This House will be glad to see that in by Government that repayment of the para 7 of the Report, there is a re second instalment of additional dear ference to a fourteen year old resolu ness allowance deposits due from 6th tion. That resolution was that of the July, 1977 will be made in cash, and Committee of 1963, a predecessor not credited ito provident fund ac Committee. That resolution requested counts of employees. In view of this the hon. Members to exercise re decision, it has been decided not to strain!—I mean, self-restraint—so that press ahead with the Bill to amend they might not give notice of more than the Additional Emoluments (Compul four Bills in a session. I am glad that sory Deposit) Act, 1974 now before this has been resurrected. It seems to the Rajya Sabha for consideration. have been lost sight of for fourteen This Bill will be allowed to lapse in years. I would like to know whether the ordinary course. Consequently, during the last fourteen years, this the Ordinance issued on 9th May, 1977 was heeded at all by hon. Member.3 will also lapse on 23rd July, 1977. (if the Third Lok Sahha. Fciurth Lok I must point out that the abolition Sabha and Fifth Lok Sabha and whe of the C.D.S. and the decision to ther any restraint was exercised by honour past commitments of repay them as suggested. ment in cash will add significantly to Secondly, this committee has fixed a the money supply during the current ceiling of 4 Bills during a session. 1 year. 'Government’s decision to go would suggest that there should be ahead with the now proposed course two ceilings—one for a short session of action, notwithstanding the expan and another for a long session. For sionary effects on money supply, is due a short session you may have 4 Bills ^ to their ardent desire to seek active and for a long session you may have cooperation of the organised working 6 or 8 Bills. This may be considered classes in solving the many difficult by the committee during its next sitt problems currently facing the eco ing. nomy. The price situation continues to remain a cause of serious concern. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Actually To contain inflationary pressures, we during the last sitting, we did consider need to maximise production, promote this matter. By and large, hon. mem savings and also restrain unproductive bers have exercised restraint on them expenditure to the maximum extent selves, as recommended by the com possible. In this endeavour. Govern mittee, by giving notice of n ot more ment hopes that full cooperation will than 4 Bills during a session during be forthcoming from all sections of the the third, fourth and fifth Lok Sabha, people, including the workers. with very few exceptions. In all dur ing the third, fourth and fifth Lok 293 Subversion of ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) democrdtic norms 294 by former PM. (Res.) Sabha otly three members during 5 sft { spfsflT ); sessions exceeded this limit. Even so, as I said, we did discuss this matter 3ft mvfhr % in the last sitting and we decided that w t ^ TT *ftr ^ we will give exemption especially during the beginning of a new Lok Sabha and during budget session. Generally what happens is when new I members come, they give a number of Bills and later on it adjusts itself. Therefore, we made that exception and : Win er we shall continue to make such ex ^ m fv ceptions. You do not have to be wor ried on that accounl. The question is: “That this H ouse'do agree with the Third Report of the Committee on Private Members’ Bills and «TT % I Resolutions presented to the House ^ ferr m 1 ^ on the 20th July, 1977.” ^ ^ I 5rf^- The motion xoas adopted. 'T8T % ITR^ *T^ ^ w I I , 15.38 hrs... sft ^rr ^ ^ ^ ^ t I Jttt RESOLUTION RE. SUBVERSION OF DEMOCRATIC NORMS BY THE t >fv t , FORMER PRIME MINISTER—Contd. 5^7: ? r m ^ «TT ^ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The I House will now resume further dis 5f:T «ri ir ^ TTW: m fr cussion on Mr. Kamath’s Resolution ?TT^'t ^ *T% I ?rfa^?T ft moved on Z4th June 1977. About 2 hours 42 minutes have already been 5rr ^ smr fon wr, taken on this Resolution, exceeding f j R ^ HsftEFT ^ ztt !rYr the time limit of 2 hours fixed by the Committee on Private Members’ jft »Tsft?r?T TiCr ^ I t JBilljs and Resolutions and further iTPT^tJT WnWrT TT extended by the House by half an 3ft a W R t TFT^> ^ hour on 8th July. So, the House has to allot further time now for ?ft^ 'ifft?>?T?T^ 1- further discussion of this Resolution. SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, (Hoshangabad); I beg to move: there is a motion before us moved by Mr. ICarrMrth. Tffe question is: “That the time for discussion of the Resolution moved by me In “That tBe time for discussion of the last sitting be extended by one the Resolution moved by Shri and a half hours.” Kamath in the Tffist sitflng be ex tended by one-and-a-half hours." SHRI PFASANBHAI MEHTA (Bhavnagar): I support this motion. The motion was adopted. 295 Subversion!, of JULY 22, 1977 democratic norms by former 296 P.M. (Res.) SHRI K. LAKKAPPA (Tuipkur): your anxiety to make suggestions or Before I subrttit' my poirtf? bn the make comments or criticise on the Resolution, I would; like to draw basis o f ypu± Resolution you are in your kind attention to an important directly ' inflaenting the findings of issue. ' the CJdmmission. The Central Gov- ernpfietft announced On May 18 the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Mr. terms of reference of the Shah Commis Lakkappa, the issue before the House sion on Emergency Excesses. Then, is the Resolution. what Is the substance in this Resolu tion? What is it that Mr. Kamath is SHRI K. LAKKAPPA; Sir, on the asking the House to do? What does same Resolution, I rise on a point of he want to impress upon the govern order. My point of order is that the ment, this House and the country at Resolution is not in conformity with large? Does he want the govern the Rules of Procedure. My friend, ment to take a certain action. But Mr. Kamath, is a senior Member of action has already been taken by his Parliament and I had an occasion to own government. Is this not an act be with him for a long time in the of encroachment upon the function political field. I think his arguments ing of the judicial system of this and his reasons on various subjects country, for which you have always are noteworthy because when we said that you have got respect? A were discussing the Anti-Defection commission of enquiry has been con Bill, he gave certain good reasons. I stituted on this question—I mean do not know what happened to him the Shah Commission. According to now because such wisdom would not its terms of reference, it will enquire prevail in bringing a Resolution of into the facts and circumstances this nature and under the Rules of relating to specific instances of acts Procedure it is out of order because of subversion of lawfully established the Resolution says that there was a forces and well-established adminis subversion of demopracy. trative processes, resorted to during the period when Emergency was in force. MR. QEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now he is speaking on the Resolution. I Therefore. I would like to impress have already ruled it out on the point upon the Chair and the House that o f order. the entire Resolution is against legal norms. It is not a proper resolution. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: At any This Janata Party leader has com stage I can bring the matter to your pletely violated all such norms by notice so far as the Rules of Proce bringing in such an illegal resolution dure and the Conduct of Busines.s before this House. are concerned. In this Resolution it is very clearly mentioned that “ the On an earlier day, I was attenti House deeply deplores the cynical vely listening to the speeches made subversion of democratic norms, the from this side. Mr. Sathe was very steep erosion of eithical standards and much heckled by the other side. spiritual values, engineered by the They did not even allow him to then Prime Minister” . Sir, this speak. matter substantively relates to the terms of reference of the Shah Is it the intention of the mover of Commission. It is very clear that the the resolution to distort and twist terms of reference given to the Shah the history of this country by bring Commission comprises all the rele ing in\only the names of 4 oersons, vant points that my frineds are going viz.. Lokamanya Tilak, Mahatma to make while speaking on the Re Gandhi, Subhas Chandra Bose and solution. I want to ask: Does this Lok Nayak Jayaprakash Narain? not influence the Commission? In This looks very funny. Is it not 2^7 Subviriion oj ASADHA 31, 1899 (S^AKA) democratic norms 2t>8 by former PM. (Res.) iipcessdry to 'taention the name of this country but even into the Janata the great architect of E^odern' India, Party. Without p^ap,gr.ess where , is viz., iTawaharlal Nehru?, Do you the Janata Party? Do not try „to think that you can minimize the ^ioh- m a li^ a pwtyii.vpihiph if^usht for the tribution of Nehru? Is it the think ireedoip of country, for the ing of the Janata Party men to dis moral r^nera^n 0(f this country, tort and re-'shape our history? which brought a new social order, in this, QOuiitry ^ d also c e r ^ ^ reforms. Democracy has been built up, in our country during the last so mshy Then, what happened during the years by many leaders. We have in short period of Janata rule? Doctors our midst Morarjibhai and Shri Jagji- are being kept in jail. There is van Ram. What happened to people trouble in Kerala. About the Belchi like Dr. A'mbed'kar'? He upheld the incidents there' '^as a privilege rights of the down-trodden Harijans motion. Your Government had no of course, Mr. Charan Singh has no face to accept it. -11 people have belief in Harijans and minorities. died. Then. after the Assembly He has already shown it. Why have elections, there were many incidents you not brought in the names of Dr. where the harijans were killed or Ambedkar and Acharya Narendra harassed. Many atrocities were per Dev? You have used the word petrated on them. Is your Home ‘socialist’ in your resolution, as also Minister not a despot and tyrant? ‘socio-economic change’. V/hat type Has he got any sympathy for the of socio-economic change in this minorities? country can you bring in, when there You have got no democratic norms, are the para-military organizations because you have toppled legally like R.S.S.? They are already creat constituted governments. You have ing Irou'Ble in the Hindu University, promised to bring the Anti-Defection killing people, creating chaos and Bill. But your Shri Charan Singh indulging in atrocities etc. is engineering defection, while Shri Raj Narain is engineering a language Why did you omit the names of controversy and Shri Patel is bring these men? Was it wilful or negli ing the policy of laissez faire. gent? Why did you omit the name of Sardar Vallabbhai Patel and Abul Shri Kamath is talking of the Kalam Azad? You have no respect /authoritarian rule. Recently some for minorities or for anybody. I of the students who fought valiantly know how this government is runn during the emergency in Bihar ing. Where is the representation for wrote a letter to the Home Minstei minorities, Muslims and Harijans in ....(Interruptions). He is not Shri your Ministry? Even in the Ministry Charan Singh but Shri Chairsingh there is no representation for them. He is the first defector in the country. Of course, some sentences in the Re That is Row he became the Chief solution are very relevant. But, how Minister in U P...... (Interruptions) can you bring about socio-economic Even then I was in Parliament.. . . change when you hesitate to mention (Interruptions). Do not forget the' the names of those who fought for depressed and suppressed student socialism in this country, a new community. You have not protected social order in this country? the journalists, Harijans and labour, and they are shot dead for demand You talk of excesses of emergency. ing their rights. And now you have- After all, there must have been some arrested 800 doctors in Bihar. What mistakes here and there. But do not is the answer? create a bad impression about the Congress organisation, which is e You say: tyranny, black law. What hundred-year old organisation, which tyranny, black law was brought at has brought leaders not only into the time of emergency, I am asking. 299 Suboemon of JULY 22, 1977 democratic norms by former 300 P.M. (Res.) [Shri K. Lakkappa] SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: We brought certain measures in tihis Do you ctmdemn the socialist country. We stand for certain prin measures, action taken by this ciples. My leader has said so very country? We brought Education into clearly. So, this has been engineer the Concurrent List. That is the ed by Mr. Kamath to denigrate a substance of the Forty-second political party, the Congress Party. Amendment. You made a sweeping SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA remark that the entire Forty-second HALDER (Durgapur): On a point Amendment was a black law. When of order. we brought about the abolition of bonded labour, you call it a black SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: When I law. We said that the Harijans and speak the truth, there is a point of the landless should be given land, order. (Interruptions) Not only is that agrarian reforms should be he perpetuating crimes on Harijans, brought, you call it a black law. We he is engineering defections___ (In said that rural indebtedness should terruptions) . be wiped out in this country, you call dt a black law. Do you know that MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Mr. lakhs people have been benefited Lakkappa, please wind up. by it in Karnataka? SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: I regret, What has happened to your party? I oppose this Resolution because it Has your party got a composite stands to no reason. character? please tell me. What is the character of your party. You 16 hrs. cannot call it the Janata Party. You must Khow that we are responsible to the nation. WRat has happened? SOME HON. MEMBERS: Point {Interruptions). of order. I know "^ha£ "nappened in your MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This i.s time, what happened in West Bengal, not the way to raise point of order. what is happening there now. There You are trying to create more dis is the composite charactet of the order than point of order. .. (Inter Janata Party in West Bengal, on the ruption) Nothing will go on record China border. What happened in Goa, Punjab? SHRI PRASANNBHAI MEHTA (Bhavnagar): Mr. Lakkappa, during I agree that Mr. Kamath stands for the course of his speech, made certain principles of social justice, certain observations and an hon. social orders, socialism, secularism, Member from this side, raised a point democracy. Democracy is going to be of order. Now, Sir, th e rule, th e prac murdered by.... (Interruptions). tice and the convention is very clear that Sometimes you may tell the truth, when any Member of the hon. House not always. You bring a document rises on a point of ordftr, the Mem here and Mr. Patel says that it is ber should, first, be allowed to make forged. The responsible Home Minis his point of order and the discussion ter says there was a conspiracy on should be stopped and the Chair must the basis of imagination. Ho wears be pleased to hear the Member who a white cap. Why? In order to has raised the point of order. But cover all his defects. (Interruptions). I am sorry to say that no member from this side, was given any MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You chance to make his point of order have to wind up because we have which is against the rule, convention allotted only IJ hours to this, and and practice. So, I want your ruling there ar* 18 names already. On this. 301 Subversion of ASADHA 81, 1899 (SAKA) democratic norm 302 by former PM. {Ret.) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: When there «Aa b4 no point of order by 20 mem was one Member standing, I allowed bers Bt the same time. That is my him to raise a point of order. ruling. Wif : IW DB. SUSHILA NAYAR (Jhansi): jU one Member wants to raise • point Of order and the Chair is not pleased to call that Member to maki ft?TT I the point of order, then others rise This has been happening. So. 1 MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Now I am request you that when a Member listening to you because you are the rises to make a point of ordte, please only Member standing up. But when allow him. when there were twenty Members standing up, I was dealing with that MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; I have situation an^ I was asking them to been allowing points of order. Even take their seats. since I set in the Chair as the Deputy- Speaker, I have allowed innumerable points of order. But the way of mak ing a point of order is also there. Twenty Members cannot get up and simultaneously raise a point of order. lif)- qq- s r f ^ 5RT wruu ^ DR. SUSHILA NAYAR; You can ask one of them to raise it. ^ " F T s ft MR. DEPUrV-SPEAKER: When the ftr ^ ^ ^rTT hon. Member was standing alone, I allowed him to raise a point of order. There is no cause for complaint; there tTT^rarr, sft is no need for complaint. When a pro JTii-, t per point of order is made, it is al lowed. But when there is a lot of dis ^ ^ f “ STFT order, there can be no point of order. srr?r ffr ^ wr^ s T m , ” ?r>f ^ fTT sfrr q^r ztt? w h (wft mm I ?r % g -f ft f^JTT I f fr 5 i T T ^ % gTcT ^ I ^ ? r n T , IHsftT n * i ' f f ^ I zTf 5ft^T ?rrJT^ ^5 MR. DEPUTY- SPEAKER: When I was trying to make the Member sit ^TT ^TJTt9T down and if twenty Members rise at this stage and there is a lot of dis ^9nt ^ ^ I ^ order, how am I to deal with that? %irr I 5ftT ftrr sft ^ 20,25 fjT?r^ ^ % ?F 3 rT 5T>T g-t ff, 3T> t g -i C " -o ft cTt SPT stPr^ o^¥ itWT ^ 'TtoRT !TT 'jfNrr ^ =5rr%^ i Jff I ^TTSpfYq- ^T?r%) % 363 5uf)t)«rs«pn of JULY 22, 1977 democraitc norms by jofm er 504 PM. (Res.) [«ft ifRPTR *Tf^] ?TT ?TFm t . ^ v'tt^'^TTTT *fTIWT-f ■ 1 • cJT? ^ *To 5nrf -^> fflrfj- 'n?r ^?ft^?ft JT^t t, !T)t7 % JpTT^ ^JTT ^TffT ^T?n I ? r¥ ^ ?TT7- 5r, p- ^ 'f ft ^ ir ar, ^ 4 ^rf?T I fT spF ?itir ir n, ^ ^ f m «ftT f^?r ?rr ^T-^Tf?T?^ IR^T?IT i? I ^ !Tr^ ft »rf. fsr^m f TT^r WT f T H^rTT ^TT ? ir^ %^jTTnfr5it ??>?: 'Ttfe^r f^nn, rft ^Trrtjft, ^rrrrTT^jR ^ f% irrr 5F?T m w ?i^T fsm^ ir^ ^ f ^'t ^ ^9 w:x I 1^ t. ^ mfhi ^r ^?r ^ feft f^'t % TJf fir^ ^T^^'t I ^?r ?T'B?n: % , ^ fr^ % ir % JT^'t ^ f^ 5 t %, sn t T T ^ T ^ f e s t f?ra> sft I ^T jfrfjH %!TT I i j l f ’TP^TT ?TTrTT | f% ?TT^ ^WT ^ ^?r irw% ^ H^rt sft ? ^ i ferr IPTT I fs'-Jt ?^ ft^ t arcTTiTT =5rTffn f ffw ^f Tmr ’Tqr % ^'t ^fTT^vS ■ f^T w , sr'tTffr ^ %rnmr T^rtt '^t ft»rir, ?ftT ar^'f ^'t g fT fe rr ^nn ?(ftT ^J5t% g ; ^ ?TT ’Tf, %^TT ^ JPTT, ?rm?r, p f t ^ ^rft «ftr^ ?rnj ^ ^ JPTT, ^5> |f I, JTsf ?m ?TTcft t, ^ ?RtnTT?r ^ ?iit Ti'^m w 1 ^TFmrf^t SFt ^‘»TT W 55ftr ^TT% ^ ^ ?ft7 ?T fr ?TT^nT T7 ’THT?r vrWT=TT, '3^^t 5ft»ff % jftr w^n, f?t ^ ^ - f^RTT *PTT % =(^ ^■>5r Jr ^5tt »iin i % *T^ T?: €t^ ^HTR I W ^ ?R5 Tfr JT^r^rTRT I si5t fiRmf' ^ ^ ^nfm ^f fT F ^ I ^ T % IT^ ^ ^Wcftt? ^ (^'iRft ^ ^ ^ fip^ 305 Slrt>V«»*ion of ASADHA 31, 1899 (STAKA) democraticKonnt ^o6 by former PM. (Res.) »rif #r'jrr^2PWT^^'*r t t ■tfr ^ «rra^'^ i ^ ^ '^ifr ?T^ ^ «I%!ff *Pt >ft WRT ^ ^ter-^ixrwr ftnr mtr *TT I ^ 'TT W4-1>Vi^e ?tT «rcr% asrnr f^Jr, «fr ^arrw *ft I flYo !fTl^o ^ o % S’-f-H <*ii~< ^ «iOC Pfitfl ^ 'V %f6f ^ ^ ^ f% ar^f #r ?T^, ^ *5^ ’5WIT Jffy !Tt^?ff ^ ^ fTTTTT ^ fttr^TjPT' W T w m ??r ^ ^ t wh- t I %?^?rnT ^ 3Rm % ?rrR% ^ r t ^ ^ETTpr ?■ % ^ 1% ^nr*T ^ ^ srr^ ^ smr ^ I I ^ I eft ?TTrTT | I !?fT?ff H ? t V ^ I I ^ *«T^ 5r ? m t TTTftcf ^ f^rr^ f i tt^ ^ I ?r?5TT Wiu\ a M^nFST 7 ^T firf^fr ir irf ^ ^ cTRTjr-ft % iiT |?n I ?TT5ft jr 5CT3f ^ T iTT % «ft ^SJSi T7T '* . TrTRar wlT lur % |?r^ - ^ f r f^ ' , tt ?TTcr% ^ %T?iT ^Hsir f^iR fiT% ferrq-T rri ? tt h r f t I TTJr i” ?!*1T ^ k^tT ^T^r I ? ^ % I ^T^T STT ^ itft ^irST ir fT ?nTT ^ ^'T if cTT ?T?n I, :r>| sp:rr>R ^5Tif ?fh: sfTR^ % 5rFT% IT ffr ^ r f^T ?t1t vft TT wf'--: ?ft f^ srrjyfTTi^ it ?m M ?nT 5frt^ w^?TT ^t ^JTRTT | ? 5TFT if ^TcT I I ^ ?n ^ I, f^FTT'T I I ' ^ , 5ft % srmn ^ I ^ JTfr ^ T «?r, “ff??TT "^ '^ T T f % fT , ■q'tsff 5f?t ?fein’’ I ^ ^r I i %m ^ W ^i^TTT^ 5‘T, 7r>7f p-T SHRI SAUGATA ROY (B arrack- pore); On a point of order. He is ^ l” ' referring to an hon. Member of this House, an hon. Member, elected by the people, as ‘joker’. He cannot refer to ?mPT ?fk sp ffw % 5%?rff an hon. Member of this House in such % frl^ JT>nT 5ftr T R W 'TT »?t a term. (Interruptions) ^ ferr MR. DEPUrY-SPEAKER; Mr. Malik, «TT 1 5TT3T ^ ?5T % mfiT % you referred to an hon. Member of ^ ^r T»f fi^ 11 ^ ^ this House as a joker — ^ ^?T 5r ^ 2r, ?ft % SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH MALIK; ?ng?ff Jf ^ ^ »nr ^ ?n^ Sir, he can make a personal explana Sft I IT? f r ^ w f ^ tion, il he wants. 307 Subvertion of JXJLY 22, 1977 democratic norms by former 308 PJf. (Ret.) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is not ^?r % ^ w r f TT ft-iTT I .a question of explanation. You should not use words like ‘joker’. That does ^»r % x m ^TftflrrfiwT ^r firrr not add to the dignity of the House. ^ WfffT fwirr vffT vw f f ! # ^ ^ n r r ?nflr t ftf ?*TT^ f^rTTT: SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY (Nizamabad); Sir, that should be ex Tw ^ I n^rnTT w f 5vr-% ’T?T punged. ftf «r*mr % ?ft»r fiw r ^ - HTTJy ^ *rV I ftr ^ ffWTH MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: If it is t fsp % ftr^rro w r # ^IvfT o f unparliamentary, it will be expunged. 1 W T R fTtrfV ifK ijfiRIHTV Rf|[ n fliv : ^ ?r^ *TTT ^cft t ^ ftr ^ ?TR % fiRT^ m rrfa^ si??55t ^ 7?r ^ wfir f%Jn t, (ft ^ ft^rr t w tr f i n ^ 1 ^ ^ %% % #JTTT f I ^ ^ ^ 'JiHdl iT^3W arrfT ?rr 1 sfr ?m ^ iq t s ftnT% 3.TT F^lrr % I ^ wm ^ ^ f f e n ” ^r 5?T qr, ^ r f ^ «Tt. "?f^r f3T ? ?R rft ^ ^ I f t ? m t TUT % 5 r r f: ft 1 Tf'TTT TJ I I ^ ^ ^'T fwW|"5T %#3f ift *fts ?rh; r1 f t f j t z H I ^ ^ >rf % iT??T qr sqtr f ® «r>? ' «r I SRTF srh stV ^ vfr ??n:r ?wt ^fT i n 31? isft ^ f n r m h ^ ^ I' I % TTHMl^rr ?r ?r% ^ f^iTT «rr I ^ % t?T iTTHr ^ ^ iT ^ T ^fTTSirT^ 5PT5T !r tT 5 ?ft 5TT^ f ^ 5 r f^=T^ 5FT ^ ?aftr9r ^ i ^ ^TmrT ?iT2ft I ? m ’ ?ft>T 309 Subversion 0/ ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) democratic norm 310 by former PJt. (Res.) WTVtlT I WT *1^ ^ «!T fWi^IT *niT I.... (iW - ^ I wnr WTT w f ^ t*w)... If ^ gyK^a^tft wrw I i r t t !T*W ?r ITRTT I WTT IIJT ^Tf I it JT?[ ?nr VTHT I I t ? 5 ff v p srar % ^ u f It ^ ^ WT2TPT ?IT «ft, 1^ ^FT*RT ?rrff % irar^ ^-«sT*n»ft ^ <^tt,qiHI -^ 15^ *ft I ^TTT W t ^ ^ t I JTqyy rvi iTRnm xhtk WcT ^’^rr^ar ^ Tf*^ % *f?t f«T ^ ^ t ?ft ^ ^ ?Tfr q-^ tft ? wTTTt ^ ^ f #t ? n ^ ft »nrTT ^ 1% t «rtr 5rT«n ^ 3p^ |, qr^f ^ *FT% •THT ^ — 4 fi d ^'t ^ f:?T ^ ? 5Tt JHTWT ^ 9 S snr^ ^rr^ iftr q>?rf—*t5 ^ ?fh: ^ ^ ^ =^TT% t s ^ I fiFW faf^TT^ If ^ 1 r% q^ f^JTT ? v t ^ % w?7T gqfr- eft ^ qfJTT JflW ^ ^ ^ i n z ^ ^ # 3r^T?f * %U 5TW 5lt^ ?HTT % ^ T . =snT% IS «rT, ??r ^ ^ ^ JTHT ^ I flT %f\T 3ft f B ^f?TT im jt ^ft^nrq-^ spT 5ft it ^ % spT?: ^ 2Tf ^TTrft sff, ^ ^JTT ?nf3RT | ? fiT?TT?r % rimr sftT ^TRTT ^ % ?n^T WT ft TfT «n %t(T ?rqF3n % ^ sn^fTiRT % Tnit t k ^tt ^ ^ «rr ? ^f^rq- iitsft cTTf SPT ?JfT ^ f^zn fiT9IT, f^TfTT % % ^'t ^ «r ? WT f^?T ?r? f^'t ^ fift ft q^'t fr ^ «TT ? 'T^JT^ ^ % ffT fT^ ?ftT ^ % ?F^T ^?tf ^ ^T% ^ ffr?T ^ TT^T ? r f t q-T 5rtf?T9r ^ I q i f m t ^ % f ^ fPcTfr?r?r ^ ^ ? ? t s t ^ % ?r^T ^ I I ^ n f f T:qqT ^ 7T f^JTT »RT I 15.24 hrs. ^TT ^TTrcT ^ ^njrrfr ^ «TT =ft ?ftTqT?fhcT [M d. S peaker in the Chair] ir TJT^^n ^TZTT I grr^T ^ ^ c t MR. SPEAKER; Mr. Mhandrappan. ^?T F^»rf;Tjft ?rraT |, srirfT^ ^ nr ^ r ST!JT?T ?TRrT | rft W T ^ % ^ R fT «^t n^TTS! ( ^ f R ) V (S m % F?rq «fV r^*T ?TfV t 5ZHFTT % 7T ?§fTf?TT HFT^> I I ZTft ?TT^ 5Tf T g I !Tf t^>Y,9R ^ ^ ^r t»r^ f<2TT I 5T?T I ^ iTPrftiT ^ t Fst^T ^ ’TlTTT ^fJT ^ n't t% »i'?ftUfT I I 5Tf ^ ?tt zTft sHTf jfJi^ ^mxT 3rr^ I SRm^ qfTTWT |. qT I 3T? q;r^ feirf^Tzrt m m | gt^^ I vtT ^ ? t q t^ ift?T 5T5P ? t t ?nmn^ >rtT ^ 1 I, ^ ^ ^ JT^PT f^ 311 Siihvehion o1 JULY 22, 1977 democratic norms by former 312 PJf. (Res.) i f? t 1 ^?W-7T?^T fflfil#dt' % 3ft % ^ 1 * 1 ^ , ^ t? r srrar t i i m ^ jt? | «t Sfl'nff^ 5RT ?ft, UTTT 5*T 5ftnt W ^ !!TJroT?rs «rrr T?imv ift srrnm qro»(iT?j?^): # ^5fr ?t\t w*i««*ic ;rft t, ^ ^ fJTT^ t?,^ sit»S?R *r^ ^ »TT*T =5f% 3TT I I W ^ ^ ^f?f I — ^ 5f;> qjT ^*gwa^ (pR ^'t) : 5TOTST «I, 3CTTO m iT mf'M I ^ !T«r ^T 5T5w:t « f t #5T «n, ^ ^ ^ ? r ^ |,-5 trf% ^inr> griR srt ^ T n f^ t •5;|| I ^^'f: ^fr— Jr ?ft fwdsrt t , ^m'l ?fr?m qfT ^ I TTrT ^p>qf^ ?nt % ^rrot nT | i ^i ^r^rt ^ ^ ^ 5i=^m t 3TT^ ^5T^RT i — S£TT, ^ ^ > T^ WTT # Tft I sft^.^T 'P' ^ T ^ t ?T, f ® ^TrfT % 10 7 ^ ir^liT =^?rnTT tptt' I f?:iiTrr ^ TT ^ %ir rT^ I ^To 20 ^ ^ if ^T ^Tfwrr «TT, ^ ^ 24 ^ 2800 I Jr «n% ^ ^ ?Tf^ f , rfT iT % ?HR 5 R ^fn'fdT ?TT?g i;?r ferr STT I % 5fF'?;’TT wft -3^ ITFT^I itJTT ^?rr ^ ^ ^ ^ f?irr, ^ ffT fTRt^'l ^ 2800 'ST^' ^rt ^ fen I W T =^t?T^T ^ I ?fmf ^T TTSf =FT% ^T F^51%>mq^t^fTfWqfT% ^T f^ftf^zr^-tT5r % ^ srr, 3rgr^'\ ’7f\?fT ^ TRT I ^^q ? TT«ft? rFr% «fT I # ^TTT — fmr ^iqr |i qr j f t t f i r ^ ? ^ - iTft ^rgfrm^ ^ft «r, m ^rf fwTT I ’?fr qr «ft ^ f T?rr prr gnr ^ ^ t iTR ?T^|RT I OT fH" 5TS^ «n I n^rr wtT ;jfT% gi? ^3^rt #?Rf % ?TFT 'ftjumj I ^5T !TPT^?r ?rnrT jt^tt i ^ ^'nr ^ srrsT^iiTt^r11 irff'Rir^^ I I T T ^ ^ afrr f - ^ T « n — t ?TT'T I ’Hr^FTTT flff % T »TTT I OT i — ir ?fm ^n «fV ?ra' TT^ ^ ^ Tr ffw orr % wWf % qra ??f ^ ^ ^T% ^3^ ^3T^ ^ IHTT «TT I ^ ^ ' T ^ 'Tl'JJcfV sff I WR fHf % 5FWT: ^ *nr-^^ ?PT% ^rrlf ^ 3IT ^ i ^3^ ^ fft fTTf % ^ TTKT 'ft^T W ^ fen 31T 15 ?iir??T, 1975 snrsfVcR tft I I fT^ «TT f?T^ I ?ftT v t ^f 3TT^ ^ ^ ^ ^ftfW t ^3^ ^ ?T«f1i ^ ^ «PT% % t ^ 5Efk ^3^ ^ % ? ft% TPt f e f m ^r ^ T »rTT «tt, 5FT VY?:'TSm % 3?TTSPTRf^ ^'t ^ ^ »R, JRSTT 'it f^*l VX 'd«^> *RPA ^ 9 WT. Wt^ff vr JTR% ^ fare ^ aptf ^ ^ ^ 'ffer w I 313 Subversion of ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) democratic norms 314 by former PM. (Res.) ^ ^ ?TRr q5t ?H3rn: % I ^ ^ 5TT?r % 5T?% ^ ^RSFiT % qro sp^ «n-, ^ ^ if ^ «rr Pf spTnsr, JT^ «TT, ^ f 'TTfwfew JTfl: «n I ^ ^3^ ^ 5rT^ ^3^ qr ^ HPT^ «ft f% ?rq^ Tmr ^ q | ^ 1 JTR-»lt^ ? T 7 ^ % fjrzT arrrr I ^ ?r>r<: f^iK M h h t 'i'1 ^f ^ nrr I f'T;’ ; ??TT f r p ? ; ?f)T JTrTT^TT ^ ?ft^ % Si'TTf'^f I ^iTTRT ?rflr «r I ? r m ^ r^3ft^^iT|q ^ r ^ it -dH+t jTT^ TT, <-4|J^R|s H T m % r^riT 3T»T^ ^ Sft, F5TTJ ^TJTJt % % t d <■ TT ’NHr'Ti fiM d %€qT?r % 5rrr% ^?r ^3iT «rr, ? T^ f fR 'TT ^nrf^ ?flT ^ ^xRTT ^rfv^rr q r P T fjw fifTWT^ % f?riT, ^3^ f f j R I ^ % f^TCr 3 ^ 't ^ ^j,mrw ^ 5ft»ft ^?TT?fR 51 ^?fr»ff^f'^flntfif^, TT ^t^nt ?TTq-^ ^ i tirt- T tf^ rfj^ ?fK flii(H iTTcnr f ^ qrs T3T% % ^7% :37m ^ 'ftfjH ^r?rrf 1 ^ •^r^I^kh f^ai^ ^5Tr nr ? f^sTR ?PTnt ^ ^'t n f qYi ?r f ^ ?TTm if m 1 1 FsTff r^?ft ^'T =^'^cfr «flf ?TtTT^ tf? r r >Tt!jt JRT ^r-TcTT ^T ^ 'T T ^JTTJi' ^'75 firF^^ ^T ^ «ft I ^3^ ^>TT '2TPT r*l'!l 3|TTR=?r f ^ T I I WT?JT ^ftfJT pTW SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN (Can- ^ I HT3r*ft ^ I 3)*TT #J6I 3 7 6 nanore): I am happy that one of the veteran parliamentarian Shri H. V. ^ V^r^WT ^■^TPTT W I *T ^ ^ V P T R Kamath has brought forward a Re solution which gives us an opportunity ^ 'Tf ^ tttt ^rr Jf «ft ^ '^5T%%^TO to discuss some of the very fundamen tal issues posed before the country. 3 5 4 v r l$5T ^ V itlF a m m «TVT iA t In this Resolution, if I understood him ?r 7 ^ W!T # I 5*f fl'<^ %■ correctly, he says that the country 315 Subversion of JULY 22, 1977 democratic norms by former PM. (Ret.) 316 [Shri C. K. Chandrappan] ing in power. In Kashmir the party of Sheikh Abdulla has come to power. In should denounce the excesses comitted Tamilnadu it is AIDMK. during emergency by Mrs. Gandhi and a gang of her people. I am narrating all this because this reality has to be accepted by every SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: You body when we think of the fut'jre. too Brutust. There is no use denying that this is a new situation which is emerging in SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: I our country. If we want basic socio think, there are no two opinions when economic changes to come about in this I say that all the excesses committed country, in my opinion, we have to do under the emergency stand condemned a lot of work. No amount of passions after the two elections are over. The let loose will solve the question of people expressed their verdict in clear socio-economic problems. terms. Another part of the Resolution hails the restoration of democracy. In MR. SPEAKER: Extended time is the next part he hails the role that 5.10 when the Minister will speak. people have palyed. In the last part he says that a great socio-economic re SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: If volution should take place in this you do not take away my time, I Will country. conclude. Broadly speaking these ideas are If you want to bring about a socio very good. I have no quarrel with economic change which Shri H. V. Shri H. V. Kamath on these points. Kamath wants to, I think certain But I think a little deeper thought is basic changes in the economic policy are necessary when we discuss about these necessary. There should be fundamen problems in relation to our future. tal structural reforms in our economy. Without land reforms, without giving After the election what has emerged employment to millions of people, with now in this country should be pro out providing facilities lor education, perly undertosod. In this country to without eradicating poverty, any day the monopoly of power which had amount of talking about a socio-econo been eryoyed for the last thirty years mic revolution is not going to serve by the Congress Party is broken. But any purpose. Janata has not got the monopoly. That (Interruptions) is the reality. I will try to bring to your notice SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: certain changes. It is true that excesses They are nowhere now. have taken place under emergency. I once again say, I condemn it. But SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: There certain fundamental reforms should be are various types of political proces there. Otherwise these excesses will ses which are taking place in our continue. We have to see what hap country. In West Bengal, left alterna pened in Belchi and Behur. We have tive has emerged. In Kerala there is seen how people have been killed by Congress, Communist, other democra the landlords with the connivance of tic and leftist parties. They are suc the police in jails. cessfully carrying on an experiment. In the North, in the Hindi speakin;? AN HON. MEMBER: What happened' areas, Janata has consolidated their in Kerala? Rajan has been murdered. power and in the centre too. In Pan jab it is not Janata. It is Akali. In SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: Rajan Goa there is another experiment and in has been killed. Naxalites have been several States Congress is still continu- attacked. Brutality was perpetrated. 317 Subversion of ASADHA 31, 11^9 (SAKA) democratic norms 318- btf former PM . (Res.) Let us think about this: Is it the first SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN; Let us time that such a thing happening? I not murder it gain. These are some o£ request you to have the patience to the things I would like to bring before hear me. In 1947, 1948, and 1949 any this House. I have no qjuarrel about amount of repression was let loose the Resolution. against the communists. What hap pened today under emergency happen If these things are accepted, I think, ed earlier in 1947 in this country. Mr Mr. Kamath’s dream will become a K. A. Raj an, a Member in this House reality. Otherwise, passionate speec now, was then arrested, beaten, nails hes denouncing this or that will not were put under his finger-nails on all help us. his fingers. He was a prisoner in jail in Kerala in 1948. In 1949 a mother and son were forced to indulge in (iarfr^n) : sexual intercourse. Why I am saying all these is this. Unless you bring JrPT^ftq’ qrm’rr, ^ about the necesary reforms, what hap pened under congress will continue it ^ I under Janata rule. This will happen unless you bring about democratic ?rnT I % srapT % changes in the administration and the police. Administration should be democratised. Police should be democratised. What is the police today? ^ feJTT, Whether it is under Janata or under ^ 51WRT it ^ 'TT s r f^ Congress their understanding is, that they are a professionally qualified in strument for suppressing the people. fsrffN'f 'TT fw, There should be a radical reform in ^TRTsr^TKt ?rr79T ^ ^ grRTf^rv administration and police. Democra- tisation is necessary. Structural re ?rrf«r^ irni ft Tfr arr, forms are necessary. Land reform is ?ft 9i«?TRT f t w EfT^ fe r r 1 the crux of the problem. Monopoly ?ftT SIWR % HI' % Tnr should be broken. You have to find out employment for the people. You I ^rnit ?TtT I % have to distribute land equitably. You ^ n 5frr iTR^cTr ^ s n if t t ■should not allow the flood-gates of our ^iT’TrjrT^ ?rnr ^ ^t 1 economy to be opened for multina tionals to come and exploit us. ?T?ffEnT I ^ft*ff ^ If these things are done. I think, ^rfTTETR, social and economic revolution will be ^3^, ^jts HT9T I possible and it will be a good lesson not only for them, but for everybody. ^ I qr Sr These things which have happened ^ rr^ , ^ sft yesterday, should not be allowed to be repeated tomorrow. f>rr ^ ^ TfTrrnr I % ^trPT ^ ^ Jf «iT I t ^ ^ We have to ijrovide institutional guarantee. We have to provide con TfT I ^ I ^ stitutional guarantee. We have to pro 5r55T?'T^T^*JT I t ^ vide social and economic guarantee. AN HON MEMBER: The Constitu tion was murdered by you. Jr I 319 Subversion of JULY 22, 1977 democratic norms by former 320 " PM. (Res.) ■ [sft SHRI VASANT SATHE: One who indulges in all sorts of Indecent things. (Interruptions) ?ft T^fTT^ ^ f% STT ^ 3ft 5T>T ^JTTvit 1 1 cnm nttT f 1 ^ ffr . . . (am w ) jf >srt 5ft ?fr»T ^ i f t q r 3ir ^ g q i ^ ^ s r r q rHTTO f t t ^JTT?nftT I I, fftm- I ^qr, mjr x m imTf^qrytft I I («q^*T) t ^qr r ^ JTH^JT *sft % T^^Tpft I I ^ir ^ ^ w n rf^ «ft ?TT% ^ ^ %TF5t *T ^ srrf q ^ n ft ^ |, sn Jit Hft firqr gPT?Rt I I ^ir eft ffjr 5T>ff, MR. SPEAKER; Please, sit down. H 'P ^ 't t. -^'T Whenever a point of order is raised ?mTir T f ^ f %Cr 53T1TT «TT^ gr^ t i the Chair has got to hear it and decide it. Why do you take over my respon. “ ?^rPT?n: ^'t %% it IT7 ?trt, sibili' y? I know how to decide it. I have heard Mr. Sathe and I under ^=r*Tr9T^tJT ^flT t s l" stand from my Secretary it has many meanings but the general meaning is 1942 Jr t f^^rr«ft «tt, ssit i ■just sight-seer'. In the context, I do not think any indecent word has been t % ^ it ^ «inr f^JTT used. 1942 % ?TFTr^fT t ^rrt so, 60 «rr T?T ?frT it ’Tq' ^ I ^ « MR. SPEAKER: What is your point g n F H R ^3Tr%?r ^ s t ?t r ^ of order? % q r »rqT «rr 1 »T5t SHRI VASANT SATHE; Sir, the fwr it fft *TfTHo hon. Member used the word ‘tamashgir' ^ ^ ?TFT and, under Rule 352, a Member shall nol make any unparliannentary re qt ^ it I STFT fJTfrT marks. If the hon. Member thinks that it ^31T 3TT t I t 3TR5TT g the word ‘tamashgir'. is all right, we f% ^ *ft ITJT ^ «ft ? ^ will use it for them. Sir, rule 380 says; ?rnT «ft, ^ I s it sfK iTTT % ?rnT% ^itrt “If the Speaker is of opinion that words have been used in debate f^Tsrr 3TRrr s r ? which are defajipatory or indecent or unparliamentary or undignifled, Sfh: SjJTTT I I he may, in his discretion, order that IT^ % THT wm. fipslT ^ 42 % such words he expunged from the proceedings of the House. ^rf*^+Tft 2r I #5T *r ^ s^t *ft?T ?> »rf I ^ ^ ^rm t t M «. SPEAKEF.; What is the mean ing of this word? 5ITOFR 3nr Jr ?rrt ?ft 321 Subversion of ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) democratic norms 322 t by former P.M. (Res.) ?TJT?r ^1'^ ^?1r sr: srRrr, ^ ^ ^rm ^ q=?RTRT ^>>tt ^ ^r»T t I ^ s r m t I ^ ^fTii I isfk =5P3<^ vft t Wr^T w n r ^ =5T?5flnT >7^^O fN. i ^ >0 ? n ^ ^ r s , ^ ?-rFT,T ^ «4T, f ^ ^trr spfT I — ^ST ^ ^ w 3n?n-1 •'Destroy everything which is bourgeois in art, culture and what ir ^ jpn i% =H'M'!^i not” . I ^3^ 'FR5T ff^jflof flrrips) ^ 05' W « EfRT ?T 'ferrat 3rnr i f r o ^ 30 ?nw't «rt 5 ^ JTiTum •■ ir ^«?T ^ TT5Rtf^ ^ ^ TfT srt^T^T %rr w tsnr j ® ^ snrn: «TT fft «iT anrnrft 1 I f% ^»T5T #r si^arTW % ^ ?fw ^3^ f i r f5 T J % ^ f ? ^ I — iT^ 5 R ^ frr !T7r 5;?nT f3n%^ t !* ^ 5n^- f ; r ^ m r 1 srw^r ^ s;f?r f^FiRTT | , ?rrT % ^ f ^ i r ^ R | 1 ^ t, ftra^r # fJT ^ $?T ^ ?iT3rT^ ^ ^ f T # ?rfr ?^7: ^T f e n f I #f%q-, ?rWRT, r+d*lV f%cpft ~3W % Hhi^ ^ 'R Y ^ Iff RJT, THT I— 3RT % = | ? ^ JTf ?rrfo zto ?rrfo qirr ^rar ^ ^ qrsf ^r^nr irttft, t ^ ^ ^mr % jtt ferr, TTiT^ ^ ^ =^Tf?TT, 3fr ^531^ n f , grf ^ ^ ^ qr#f ^ jft ^ 1 ^ ^ ^?5FR?r ^ ^ «V I ff ^ 9Tn:^% qrn ^ ^ Jr f | I ?HTT ^ 5fJT^ ^ WRPT “=^ ^ ^ ^ qft, I, 51 srfiT5ra % ?rmq ^ frnr ^ ^ % qi% fi- »iT ^ ^ I I ^ ^ 5 1 sr%9RT % ^JTT^r 3|i?lcIT s n ^ W % t ^ ^ ^ ?T«pn: ^ % ^1W ^ 5Tf I fTTRT,- r ^ ^ TTRTT =*fTf^ | ^ ^ »i»T ^ iTf 5f)v HTRT f5r«r5r ^ ■'^l^ni ^ % 5’JS’ ^ ?TTf I qlr 3R 3R^ % =5rrf^, ^ mrrmTft rimrmTr ^ iri[ »s?r^ ^ firn" t I I 3nr 51^ ?f?!rn iri^ ^ I— JFT wh: «fh: ^ 1 ^TTO^fl- r^-qKleiKi ^ ^ fjTfST ?> I I fTT^ ^ 1703 L S — II 323 Subversion of JU LY 22, 1977 democratic norms by former 324 P.M . (Res.) ?rr3T ^ ^ ^ if # 5T T »rt^ ^ ?Twr 'Tptj firqr— ftF?T Tr firqr | — ^fr ^ ^ - oZTSIFTT ^fTRTiTq^t? mTrT ^ 5 V TT?r ^ ^ '3T^ +ii)^ ^ 4|($^*l^i«iK ^ »TRT f^JTT t, ^ ?r»r rft froi ^ ^ if ^Tfro 5FT STT STRTR !T9T— ^ ^ t f% iriEft, wrf^zTT, ^ I W w ^ ^ F^TT 1w ^ I ? JTf ^rs^il ^^TTT ?iWr % I, ^rsT t, ^ ^ fw, t , f R T ^ ^ Wr ^ TfR »nTrT — ^^?i% ?rr?9ff TT ^ i^irW %• ^’iTf ^ f?qr I ^pjm % ^ I ^?r 3?K9rf ^ ■=(o^i ^Tf^ q r ^^rarr, %f%?r 'Pt wrmff WTPTT ■srq-^T % ? T ^ f^ ^ r r — l ^ f r T R sr>m^ ^ ^ I ^ ^?r Tfr ^ I w f TfT I ? ?^ % '•J^-ctInt V r o w t ^ ^ ^ ^ STfw 3ft ^ t JTT 3rar if 3R ^ «T5T ?rr3r t ^ ^ ^ sft I stt% ?R rRf cTTf ^ ?Rrft | 50%’ ^ yrrflmlWf, ff^ 'T , finsft 3R ^ 3t^ ^ ^t ^srmr | gft s r r f^ , srrPT^ ^ ?tr^ % rT^ ^ ^ ^twt ^ 5>TT I ^ - «ft ? !ftT »ft 5^- ^ snwT ^13^ f^ , T^Fftf^, oiTPm: ?ftT if ^>TT 6 5R^|;gT ^ 3T5T ^ 5ft»TTft ^ ?TO SrfrTW % ^HTRT W 3 f % ^ 3rTTT 3TT 7 | ^ ^ !Tiwr ^ ^rrf^ ^ ^ % iTTniftt qT % srnTT ^t, 5> 5fk ^ cfHTJn^ W ^3^ T i.^ T T tt R: srnr ^ >1^ 3fft ^3^ f^wr 3rT ^ JTsr^ ^ ^ ^RRIT^ ^ ^ ^ i f ^ ' t ' T t I ’^ Jf^ if 3ft HTiTFJr ?t\t sRrft Tft I, p - jprnr ^ 3 T R ft ^ t ‘> I ^ ^ I ^ ^ 5tIt ?rr >fl''^iR if, TT^Rtf^ if, Eirm T if SIT I ? rh : i f I^t p t ?«t r ^ 5T»ft ^ ^ ai-ii!(il^ ?TR^ I TT^TTT^ % %r «ft JHTFPT 31? ^ TTSr^ ^ ^ JTsr^cT ^ s n r f ^ ^ i f ? m r ^t’TT I ffj* I, srrf^Tf^nft fro ^ sftr STTcrrrrf !TT^ ^ m K ^ % %r ^ wrfwf fg-JTT W ?ft ^TT ^ »T% ?mnT spt ?? w ? : ^ ^ > 1 T I Z T f ^3?!% ? n? Tr?Tf STK^ ^ ¥»T t I JTTiT 3nr % o ^ ^ T^m I JTf ^TTcHTTf «ftlT^ft j® »T^ ^5TT ^ »t ?rnr 1 *itEft ^ rrnmrrft % if «tt i «ft ^»T13T : s m ^ if aif^ 3zndw % if # Iff f fl ^ ^ ^f I f % ^ tTjT<^>fl if ?mff ^ T t^ t =5n^ i ftp if gff ?ft >?fl't>iiM'=t' sn r ’ftf%fj^>^ ^ 3!^ ?i^r SRTO 3ft »ft fT^ ^t ^ 3^- qsqr 5Tf y>T TT ^ if T’sr 5^7 f^ ^ ^3^<;<,qi'ji *ft, if srf^ sra^ 5>TT, ^ cTT? ?ft ? n f ^ wmx ^ 57^ 5^rft T^jft I '•I'ldi 'TT^f ^ <.^inl ®ft 3ft ^ ^ fiT^T^ ?n% ^ fw I qt«r fw ^ 3 n % «r ^3^ ^ fw 3TRT «r I «nrr, h«ih ^ ?iPki 3 T R T f f% ^ I i f t x 3f t 't ^ ^ «TT ? 3^- JT^jft % PslHI4) 3rmT ?ftT ?T5TT % ^ if 5>TT ^ !fn^ Vrtqit ^ t ^TSRft ^ *n^^?ltt5t?m«TT, 3 2 7 S u b v e r s io n o f JULY 22, 1977 democratic norms by former 328 P.M. (Res.) [cTt 5 ^ 0 ^ ] =5Rm ^ I *TF!m, ?n7 gjftrr !Ftt % ^ f , t ^STR^TT ^ ft? ^ t I fT if ^rn^ ^n# «r ?fk ^ n r m f^sr^FT ^ftr ?raT N3 f i f ^ % 1000 » f t ^ % ^ t ^ ^TiTRT ^ inn «TT Jr % 990 it 5ff^ ^ TT^ ^ ^ I ^ ?fm ?TTT- JTSIT IR ^FT^rft\9 5 R R t ^ «r 1 55rR-0+i ir ?trt » li I cR f^fJT srWRPT % ITiToJnfo ?flT ^ ^ *nTT ^ i^oijfo ^ f^nrr sftr ir^ ^ ^!T5ft l!T^ ^ ^ I STTtT SPT t f% tsFff ^ ^ ttt^ SHRI MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI w t % feF rm (Anantnag); All the amendments have been moved by the other side. This TT3r?t^ m iT^nfiTT side should be given a chance. (Interruptions) '^Rt ^ if 5ft^ ^ ^ ft ?ftr yfdMST % ^dT, fjn + l ■T'^.al PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR (Gan f , ^ T?: rrRTW ^ dhinagar) : Kindly extend the time by half-an-hour and give us five minutes t | ^ I wF^r^ # # t w t^ ^ each. frS R ^ % fj^ir ^ SHTT^ ff\ MR. SPEAKER; Is it the pleasure f ^ ^ ?At ntsft ^ of the House to extend the time for tt'^ , «ft TT this Resolution? 329 Subversion 0/ ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) democratic normt 330 by former PIS. (Res.) HOM MEMBERS: Yes. SHRI S. KUNDU: They are stiU thinking there is no democracy in thig MiR. SPEAKER; Shri Kundu. country. SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi): My SHRI VAYALAR RAVI; Democracy Resolution comes immediately after does not mean abuse as you do! this. I should get at least one minute to move it. SHRI S. KUNDU: What you did was abuse of democracy. Sir, as I MR. SPEAKER; You will get one said. I do not want to give chance to minute to move your Resolution. Mr. Sathe to get up... SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN (Bail- SHRI VASANT SATHE; None ot agara): We are opposing the Resolu you has any personal experience about tion. So, we have not moved any torture. Talk about your tortures. amendment. We should be given an Come along. You came out with added opportunity to speak. weight! Onterruptiorts). SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Cherayin- .MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Sathe, you kil); Extension of time cannot be should not interfere in his speech. indefinite. Let us decide up to what Mr. Kundu, please do not address him. time this will go on. Address the Chair. SHRI S. KUNDU: I am adressing MR. SPEAKER: Up to 5.59. you, Sir. I do not believe in the fheorj*: SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: My hon. friend, Shri Deo is anxious TO and I agree with him, that he should I am not referring to Mr. Sathe nor do get time to move his resolution. But fortunately we have got a Direction by I believe in the theory the Speaker which ensures that even 513 on the next day Mr. Deo’s resolution will be alive and kicking and it would (Interruptions) not lapse. SHRI B. P. KADAM (Kanara); Sir, SHRI S. KUNDU (Balasore): Sir, I I rise on a point of order. You have rise to thank Mr. Kamath for bringing to first expunge the insinuation against a very important resolution. the Member. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER; You will have five SHRI S. S. DAS: My friend Mr. minutes. Sathe who is a bully always rises on a point of order and creates disorder. SHRI S. KUNDU; Mine is a very I am placing one or 1wo points before big amendment. I would not repeat you. Please allow me a few minutes the things which have been told here for i1 and then you give your order nor am I going to repeat individual whether I am on a point of order or instances of torture, police excesses not... and tyranny because if I begin doing MR. SPEAKER; My order is that it, we may have to carry on till late you may please sit down. into the night. And, Mr. Sathe will get up on his feet always and try to SHRI S. KUNDU: Mr. Speaker, Sir, somehow hold up the proceedings of the through you I would appeal that this House by raising frivolous points of House will give consideration to the order. amendments which I moved. The crux of the entire discussion in this SHRi VAYALAR RAVI: Who are House on this very important Resolu you to say that? The Speaker will tion of Mr. Kamath is. what form of decide it. decision we are going to take in this 331 Subversion of JULY 22, 1977 democratic norms by former 33a PM. (Rea.) (Shri S. Kundu] SHRI VASANT SATHE; Sir. have House so that nobody hereafter how you ever convicted any man on hear great or how high or how mighty he say? may be. can trample democracy in the State. That is the problem. We do MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. not want that human rights should be crushed just to the benefit of li per SHRI S. KUNDU: Sir, you can tell sons. After what we have seen in the House that circumstantial evidence this dark chapter, in the nineteen is much more weighty. Please tell this months of horror that was practised to these people who completely mur here in India within the internal emer. dered democracy. gency period, we do not want to see that anybody however great he may SHRI VASANT SATHE: Circum be—he may be a king or a Prime Min stantial evidence, ‘yes’; not imagina ister Or a President—would not have tion and hear-say. (Interruptions) an opportunity to completely trample democracy or to crush human rights. SHRI S. KUNDU: You shut up a The problem is how we are going to man inside a room, knocked him out see that the idea that eternal vigilance and deprived him of any kind of pri is the price of liberty is strengthened, vileges. You knew nobody could get not only strengthened but nourished in in there. We know what sort of food such a manner that nobody, not even you gave; and whether you gave any the Janata P a rty leaders or whoever medicines or not. Gradually and slow comes into power, would get an occa ly you wanted him to die; and now you sion to repeat this dark, horrible say that there was no attempt to shoot chapter that was there for nineteen down people. months. That is the problem and that is why I have given my amendment. I met Jayaprakash Ji a few months back. I asked him what was his feel The other day my friends here got ing when he came to the Jaslok hos up on their feet because the Home pital. (Interruptions)—It is a question Minister said that there was ‘thinking' of democracy; it is a question of our to shoot people in the jails and some basic values, for which we fought; why body from there— I do not want to are the Members on the other side laughing? They should go and move name him because he will take up my around Indira Gandhi’s house. It wiU time—got up and said ‘what is the docvmientary evidence? Will anybody pay them—Do you know what JP told me in reply? He said: “When I came to keep any documentary fevidenae for Jaslok hospital and when I regained this? Mr. Speaker, Sir, you have been consciousness, I thanked Dr. Mani. I an eminent jurist. Please tell this told him that because of him I get House that if there is a plan to murder back my life. Dr. Mani replied that or shoot people or finish top leaders, whether everything regarding that will no doctor could have saved me. It was be written in the files. my will-power or the blessings of that gave me my life back.” Had there been a delay of one day in releasing SHiRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR JP, we would perhaps not have seen (Quilon); How do you know what is him alive. Therefore, I make this in his mind? charge. Arrangements had been made for his cremation at Patna. The Home SHRI S. KUNDU: I know that (In. Minister had replied to one of my temiptions) Mr. Speaker, Sir, you have questions that cremation arrangements been a brilliant judge. Would you not had been made at Patna. tell this House from your experience that substantive evidence or much These gentlemen should not asso m ore... ilnteiruptions) ciate^ themselves with Mrs. Indira 333 Subversion of ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) democratic norms 334 by lormer PM. (Res.) i Gandhi and Sanjay Gandhi. They are be no chance for these people 10 re unable to dissociate themselves Irom peat their performance. Secondly, we Sathe, Indira and Sanjay. I know they have to awaken a spirit of vigilance have difficulties. I am sorry that lhe in the minds of the citizens by provid' lion of Satara had not opened his ing education on the values of demo* mouth. But whenever somebody cracy, liberty, human rights, secu^ speaks in defence of democracy, liberty larism, nationalism and socia.Usm. and freedom, these gentlemen set up Thirdly, we have to compile a history and try to say something as if they of the black era of the internal emer were going to defend something which gency and make it a syllabus in ihe they were going to demolish. schools and colleges and adopt any other methods which may be suggested MR. SPEAKER; You should leave by a Committee formed by 21 Members it to the Home Minister. of Parliament for this purpose, con SHRI S. KUNDU: Therefore, w'hen- sisting of both Houses so that the dark ever these important things are dis days of tyranny and terror, as wit cussed, we should not waste the time nessed during the period of internal of the House by insinuations {Interruv- emergency will never reccur. tions). I would very much like Shri Kamath Sir, I have so much material to give to accept this amendment. I feel he to the House. should not have any hesitation to accept this operative part of the MR. SPEAKER; It will be on c'n- amendment. I would conclude by other occasion. saying that this is the time when we have to see that this sort of debauchery SHRI S. KUNDU; I want to tcl) and butchery of freedom and liberty something about how the Press was is not allowed. asked to function. The attitude to it ■was worse than that adopted by Goeb- SHRI VASANT sATHE; Sir, i rise bels or Hitler. Hitler and Goeobels on a point of order before the hon. completely destroyed democracy. What Home Minister starts his reply. Sir, Sanjay and Indira did here was \,orse I would invite your kind attention to than that. Somebody who was a top rules 173, 175 as well as rule 352. man somewhere else was brought into Rule 173 says; the Press here. At that time there was a meeting of the national com “ In order that a resolution may be mittee of the Socialist Party. The admissible, it shall satisfy. the fol news about it could not get published. lowing conditions, namely; — One correspondent wanted to put in • • • that news. Immediately a phone call ■was put through to the 7th floor. On (v) it shall not relate to auy the seventh floor sits an IPS oflHcer, matter which is under adjudica ■who is enforcing censorship of lhe tion by a court of law having press. Had it been the British days, jurisdiction in any part of India.” that young man w'ould have been shunted to the Andamans, as we were RXile 175 says: despatched to the Andamans, because we were flghting for the freedom “No resolution which seeks to raise discussion on a matter pending ^trugEfle against the British. before any statutory tribunal or For want of time, I will come to statutory authority performing any my amendment, which is three-foH. judicial or quasi-judicial functions or Firstly, it wants to mnke adequate any commission or court of enquiry arran«»oments by suitaHy chRnging the appointed to enquire into, or investi Const’’+”+ion. The Constitution should gate any matter shall ordinarily be be su itab ly changed so that there will permitted to be m oved:” 335 Subversion of JULY 22, 1977 democratic norms by former 3 3 6. P.M. (Res.) [Shri Vasant Sathe] necessary put him in the wrong— Sir, even then you have discretion to by trying to frustrate the Shah allow it. You have allowed this; I Commission. mean, your predecessor has admitted this. It was discussed. Rule 352 says: Secondly, I want to submit that this Resolution should not come to the “A member while speaking shall stage of passing for the simple reason that if you pronounce here a judg not— ment on certain things done during the Emergency, it will bypass and (i) refer to any matter of fact render the entire Shah Commission on which a judicial decision is nugatory and frustrate the entire pro pending:” ceedings of the Commission. Here a Member includes a Minister MR, SPEAKER: So far as admis also. So, I want to say.. sibility is concerned, that stage is past. It has already been admitted MR. SPEAKER; I think you have and that matter is no more open for made your point. discussion. My predecessor admitted it, I cannot reopen it. So far as the SHRI VASANT SATHE: Sir, let me speech of the hon. Home Minister is complete it. You have a sharp mnid concerned, we are yet to hear him. and you have got the point. Let me I am quite sure he will not break my explain it. rules. The Central Government announced SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: One minute. on May 19th the terms of reference of what is called the Shah Commis MR. SPEAKER: If I allow you. I sion on the Emergency. This Com must allow others. mission was appointed under the Commissions of Inquiry Act. It says SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: I am on a here; new point of order. Not only do I support Mr. Sathe. If the Home “An official Press Note made it Minister of this country, who is res clear that the former Chief Justice ponsible for appointing the Shah Com_ would not only enquire into the ex mission witlk such wide-ranging terms cesses committed during the Emer of reference, should give a reply to gency, but also into whether Mrs the same subject, it will prejudice Gandhi's regime abused authority. ” the Shah Commission’s enquiry. That It further says: is most important. You have been in the Supreme Court. You have a “The Shah Commission, which judicial frame of mind. Would you was given the task of carrying out allow such as thing to happen in this the most comprehensive probe into House, being the Speaker? I hope in the misuse of power since Inden- your wisdom you will protect the dence, would enquire into the sub rights of the Members and the Rules version of lawful processes, misuse of Procedure. of authority, excesses and mal practices committed during the MR. SPEAKER: No point of order Emergency.” arises. This is what is mentioned here. What THE MINISTER OF HOME AF I am saying is that the hon. Home FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): I Minister, while making his reply, have nothing much to say because 1 should at least not violate these niles, accept the Resolution moved by STill particularly rule 352 about facts Kamath in its entirety. There is no which are pending before the Shah question of a reply from me. Only Commission—^I do not want to un- I have some difficulty about the 337 Subversion of ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) democratic norms 338 by former P.M. (Res.) amendments. I think the amendments also not to become a party to it. If are not necessary, If my friends on the ruling party, because it has a few this side agree with me. I request more members wants to pass a resolu them to pass the Resolution as it tion then the only alternative thing stands. that is left for us is to walk out. MR. SPEAKER: Are any Members SHRI VASANT SATHE: Do not pressing their amendments? make a mockery of the Shah Commis sion. SHRI V AS ANT SATHE: Is he pressing for passing this? PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: I have heard the Leader of the Opposi MR. SPEAKR: He does not say. tion. While I do realise the sense of anger of the Opposition, I am strictly SHRI VASANT SATHE: He says it on the technicality of the Resolution. should be passed. What happens if this Resolution is passed by the House? I want your SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: We can guidance on it. The Home Minister, not allow it to be passed. in his wisdom, decided not to speak. Perhaps, that was his best reply. He MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Kamath has asked his colleagues to withdraw the to reply. amendments and then vote the Reso lution of Mr. Kamath. I want the SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN Leader of the Opposition to kindly, (Satara): I want to make a subnus- cooly and calmly re-read the Resolu sion. It is not merely a point of tion. I want to say that the opera order but I am very sorry to say that tive phrases are only two. In the the Home Minister ought to have first sentence, it says; ‘This House responded to your suggestion that he deeply deplores’. It is not asking would not break the rules. Here, the Government to do anything by way of Resolution of Mr. Kamath takes a speedy action. Further half-way of decisive view of what has happened the paragraph, it says: ‘and solemnly regarding matters which are referred pledges’. This House can say that it to the Shah Commission. I think, we deeply deplores something, and it are putting Parliament in a very certainly in the same breath, solemnly wrong position. The Home Minister, pledges something. in doing so, it I thought, would take the res does not tell the Government to do ponsibility to say that we can this or that. It is merely expressing consider or that we can keep the the opinion of the House to which, I resolution pending. This Parliament think, this House is fully entitled. is sitting all the time. If it wants to take a view after the Shah Commis MR. SPEAKER: I do not think it sion’s report, it can certainly do that is a point of order. But the difficulty in the light of the report. But when is that whatever objections you have the commision is appointed, the terms to take, should have been taken at the of reference are precisely the same time of its admission. Now it has •and, at the same time, the Home been admitted; it has been discussed. Minister says you can certainly pass There is no provision in the rules the resolution if you want. It is whereby I can withhold placing it simply misleading the Parliament, before the House for acceptance or for misleading the people and suverting rejection. You have neither pointed all the judicial processes. We do not out any rule nor have J found any ■want the Parliament to be a party to rules under which I can refuse per it. We would like to make our posi mission for the House. tion clear that we do not want to be a party to such a subservion and this SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: You kindly sort of wrong tactics. I request you reconsider-----(Interruptions) 339 Subversion of JULY 22, 1977 democratic norms by former 340 P.M. (Res.i MR. SPEAKER: My decision is “Any member may, with the final. I have not found a single rule consent of the Speaker, move that vuider wihich I can withhold the any rule may be suspended___ ” Resolution. I am not giving consent; I am refus ing it. (Interruptions). SHRI VASANT SATHE: I may tell you the rule. It is within your dis SHRI VASANT SATHE: How can cretion. Under rule 389, you have got you refuse in advance? You have to the residuary powers. hear us. MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Sathe, you MR. SPEAKER: The House has dis have made your point. I have given cussed it for so long. my decision. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Listen to SHRI VASANT SATHE: What is me before you refuse it. the decision? MR. SPEAKER: How many times have I to listen to you? MR. SPEAKER: My decision is that I will not withhold the Resolu SHRI VASANT SATHE: You have tion from the House. It is not proper for me to withhold the Resolution. not heard me on this point. I beg of you to consider that the rule relating to which you are helpless be sus SHRI VASANT SATHE: What I am pended. I submit, rule 176 on moving trying to tell you is to consider this. of resolution and rule 183 on passing As my leader has said-----(Interrup of resolution be suspended for the tions) . time being because if you pass this .Resolution, you will make a mockery MR. SPEAKER: I am sorry you of the Shah Commission by pronounc are withholding the proceedings of the ing the verdict on whatever happened House. Please sit down. I am on during the Emergency which you are my legs. I am not allowing you. Mr. condemning. You will be passing a Kamath. • verdict and you will be saying that there was cynical subversion of demo SHRI VASAT SATHE: On a point cracy___(Interruptions). of order. Sir.... (Interruptions). SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE: SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: You have We have been elected by the people to go by the rules. You have to hear on the issue of emergency. (Inter the point of order. You cannot shut ruptions). In the name of points of us out. . - order, they are creating disorder. How long are you going to allow this? (Interruptions). SHRI VASANT SATHE. Rule 388 is about the suspension of rules. How can you stop me from doing it? I MR. SPEAKER: I am on my legs. am moving it. You can oppose it. I Please sit down (Interruptions). This am moving for suspension of rule is what the earlier ruling says, “After which relates to passing Of the resolu a motion under a particular rule has tion___ (Interruptions). been made, a motion for suspension of that rule cannot be moved.” THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI ATAL BIHARI SHRI VASANT SATHE: The VAJPAYEE); The rules cannnot be motion has not yet been made. suspended unless the Chair permits. MR. SPEAKER: Even you cannot MR. SPEAKER: Rule 388 says: make the motion. 341 Subversion 0/ ASADHA 31, 1899 {SAKA) democratic norms 342 by iormer P.M. (Res.) SHRL VASANT SATHE: After he MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Kamath (In makes a motion. He has not moved terruptions) . it, SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: On a MR. SPEAKER: Motion has oeer point of order. Rule 389 provides to moved. {Interruptions). Shri deal with a particular situation. This Kamath. has certain importance in the rules of procedure to deal with any contin SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Rule 181 gency or a n y particular situation aris says, “When any resolution involving ing which may not be presupposed several points has been discussed, the by the rules of procedure. The dis Speaker may divide the resolution cretion has been given to the Speaker and put each or any point separately to deal with such a situation. Here, to vote as he may think. This is a I do admit and appreciate your diffi resolution involving various points culty as the Speaker to rule that your which have been covered by the predecessor’s resolution is ©ut of order Commission. How can this resolution though it violates rule 175 and rule be put to vote? 172. I appreciate your difficulty in ruling it out of order. At the same MR. SPEAKER: That is all right. time you have to use yOur discretion Mr. Kamath. {Interruptions). under 389 whitfh has given full powers to you. This resolution violates 175 SHRI VASANT SATHE: Are you and it will prejudice the Commission, asking him to move the resolution the Shah Conunission, especially the under 176 because that is precisely decision of Parliament. To declare where I come under? I have a right means that it is a decision of Parlia to move under 388 before he moves ment, the opinion of Parliament, any the motion not after. Once he moves thing which happened in the Parlia it, then I cannot do it. ment. ( Interruptions). Deplore means the decision of Parliament. It is the MR. SPEAKER; The motion has opinion of Parliament. The decision been moved: of the Parliament is usually binding on every citizen of this country. Now, what are we going to do? I will tell SHRI VASANT SATHE: The you what will happen. We are tak motion has not been moved. ing in advance a decision while the Home Minister has appointed a Com- MR. SPEAKER: The Chairman says mi.ssion to go into the same matter it has been moved. (Interruptions). Already the Shah Commission has been appointed. If SHRI VASANT SATHE: It has not we pass such a Resolution here, -t will been moved. He has only submitted. prejudice the Shah Commission 'n- quiry. Therefore, I would request you to use your discretion under rule MR. SPEAKER: This is the pro 389 (Interruptions). ceedings. ilnterruptions). Mr. Kamath. MR. SPEAKER: You cannot go anywhere except to me, and I cannot SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Rule 181 is go anywhere outside the rules. I am very clear. There are several points sorry I cannot accept it. Mr. Kamath being discussed. It is very clear. It (Interruptions). says, “The Speaker may divide the resolution and put each or any point SHRI VASANT SATHE: You have separately to vote as he may think. to uphold the honour and dignity of Do not by pass rules; respect the this House. If you allow this Reso rules. Uphold the dignity of this lution to be passed, you can take ii ■. . House. (Interruptions) that this House will 343 Subversion of JULY 22, 1977 democratic norms by former 344 P.M. (Res.) [Shri Vasant Sathe] SHRI VASANT SATHE; Cau you say that this will not prejudice the be going to mud and we will be inquiry? I am sure you cannot say making a mockery of the Shah Com that. As a former Judge of the Sup mission (InterriLptions). reme Court you can never say that (Interruptions). S'-ft : 3T?1T I AN HON. MEMBER: You can post SHRI SAUGATA ROY; ^Barr.^ck- pone it. pore): On a point of order. JTTT 5rrTT ^ SOME HON. MEMBERS rose— I MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. MR. SPEAKER: I express no opin There must be a limit I have allowed ion (Interruptions). If your idea is some points of order. There cannot merely to obstruct the proceedings, I be hundreds of points of order. I am will not be a party to it^Interrup- not allowing any more point of order. tions). I have undersood your point (Interruptions). No, you cannot go (Interruptions). I have given my on like this obstructing the work. ruling (Interruptions) I have given my Mr. Kamath. (Interruptions). decision (Interruptions). SHRI MOHD. SHAFT QURESHI: AN HON. MEMBER: Please extend 'You can name me and throw me the time. out (Interruptions). MR. SPEAKER: If nece.sasry. I MR. SPEAKER: I am not doing am going to extend the time (Interrup that (Interruptions). Mr. Kamath. tions) . SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH; I SHRl HARI VISHNU KAMATH: do not want to speak (Interruptions). (Hoshangabad): Sir, I shall be very Please put it to vote (Interruptions). brief. I shall emulate the laudable example set by the Home M inister.... SHRI VASANT SATHE: Do not (Interruptions). I am greateful lo all be a party to a mockery ni' justice the Members-----(Interruptions). (Interruptions). SHRI MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI: MR. SPEAKER: I am not a dictator '•On a point of order. in this House. Please sit down, Mr. Sathe. I am on my legs. MR. SPEAKER: I would not allow you. Please sit down. I am not Now, are those Members who have allowing any more point of order (In moved amendmnts going to press terruptions). them? (Interruptions). SHRI MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI: SOME HON. MEMBERS; We Sir, the hon. members have msde withdraw them (Interruptions). submissions to you. They have quoted the rules. But you have not given All the amendments were, by leave, them your reply. The question is withdrawn. very simple. In your opinion, do you think, if the Resolution is passed in (Interruptions) -this House, it will or will not preju dice the Shah Commission inquiry? MR. SPEAKER: The question is: (Interruptions). “This House deeply deplores the cynical subversion of democratic MR. SPEAKER: It is not for me norms, the steep erosion of ethical to decide nov^. . . . (Interruptions). standards and spiritual values, en- 345 Subversion of ASADHA 31, 1899 (SAKA) Participation of 346 democratic norms youngmen in nation- ■ by former P.M. (Res.) building (Res.) gineered by the then Prime Miais- SOME HON. MEMBERS;. No.... ter, Shrimati Indira Gandhi and her (Interruptions). gang during the dark days of tyranny and terror that followed MR. SPEAKER: The Ayes’ have it; the Proclamation cf emergency on the ‘Ayes’ have it; the Ayes’ have it. June 25. 1975, pays its heartfelt The Motion was adopted. homage to the innumerable victims and martyrs in the crusade for (Interruptions) liberty and freedom which the Pro clamation sparked throughout the [At this nage, some hon. members country, places on record, humbly left the House] yet joyfully, its profound appre (Interruptions) ciation of the historic role played by our fearless people through the ballot-box, in ousting 18 hrs. a vile authoritarian regime, and solemnly pleadges its earnest en RESOLUTION RE: PARTICIPATION deavour for the speedy accomplish OF YOUNG MEN IN NATION ment, in close cooperation with the BUILDING people and by peaceful, legitimate SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi): I methods, of a socio-economic revo beg to move: lution, illumined by democratic Standards, vivified by "ocialist “This House recommends to Grov- ideals, and firmly founded on moral ernment that all young men before and spiritual values, for which Lok- graduation or being eligible for em manaya Tilak, Mahatma Gandhi ployment should serve in the Terri and Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose torial Army as Jawans’ or work in suffered and sacrified, lived and any Government farm or factory or died, and for which Lok Nayak irrigation project, to have a sen9e Jayaprakash Naryan, three years of participation in building the ago, called the nation to battle.” nation and requests Gcvernment to (Interruptions) take appropriate steps in this regard” . Those who are in favour will please say ‘Aye’. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. Member may continue on the next day. SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: 'Aye'. (Interruptions). 18.02 hrs. The Lok Sabha then adjourned till MR. SPEAKER: Those who are Eleven of the Clock on Monday, July against will please say ‘No’ (Interrup 25, 1977/Sravana 3, 1899 (Saka). tions) . GMGIPMRND—PMR—1703 LS—2430 -3-9-77—998.