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The David and Barbara Pryor Center for Arkansas Oral and Visual History Arkansas Memories Project Ernest Dumas Interviewed by S The David and Barbara Pryor Center for Arkansas Oral and Visual History University of Arkansas 1 East Center Street Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-6829 Arkansas Memories Project Ernest Dumas Interviewed by Scott Lunsford June 4, 2009 Little Rock, Arkansas Copyright 2013 Board of Trustees of the University of Arkansas. All rights reserved. Objective Oral history is a collection of an individual's memories and opinions. As such, it is subject to the innate fallibility of memory and is susceptible to inaccuracy. All researchers using these interviews should be aware of this reality and are encouraged to seek corroborating documentation when using any oral history interview. The Pryor Center's objective is to collect audio and video recordings of interviews along with scanned images of family photographs and documents. These donated materials are carefully preserved, catalogued, and deposited in the Special Collections Department, University of Arkansas Libraries, Fayetteville. The transcripts, audio files, video highlight clips, and photographs are made available on the Pryor Center Web site at http://pryorcenter.uark.edu. The Pryor Center recommends that researchers utilize the audio recordings and highlight clips, in addition to the transcripts, to enhance their connection with the interviewee. Transcript Methodology The Pryor Center recognizes that we cannot reproduce the spoken word in a written document; however, we strive to produce a transcript that represents the characteristics and unique qualities of the interviewee's speech pattern, style of speech, regional dialect, and personality. For the first twenty minutes of the interview, we attempt to transcribe verbatim all words and utterances that are spoken, such as uhs and ahs, false starts, and repetitions. Some of these elements are omitted after the first twenty minutes to improve readability. The Pryor Center transcripts are prepared utilizing the University of Arkansas Style Manual for proper names, titles, and terms specific to the university. For all other style elements, we refer to the Pryor Center Style Manual, which is based primarily on The Chicago Manual of Style 16th Edition. We employ the following guidelines for consistency and readability: • Em dashes separate repeated/false starts and incomplete/redirected sentences. • Ellipses indicate the interruption of one speaker by another. • Italics identify foreign words or terms and words emphasized by the speaker. • Question marks enclose proper nouns for which we cannot verify the spelling and words that we cannot understand with certainty. The David and Barbara Pryor Center for Arkansas Oral and Visual History, University of Arkansas ii Arkansas Memories Project, Ernest Dumas Interview, June 4, 2009 http://pryorcenter.uark.edu/ • Brackets enclose o italicized annotations of nonverbal sounds, such as laughter, and audible sounds, such as a doorbell ringing; o annotations for clarification and identification; and o standard English spelling of informal words. • Commas are used in a conventional manner where possible to aid in readability. Citation Information See the Citation Guide at http://pryorcenter.uark.edu/about.asp#citations. The David and Barbara Pryor Center for Arkansas Oral and Visual History, University of Arkansas iii Arkansas Memories Project, Ernest Dumas Interview, June 4, 2009 http://pryorcenter.uark.edu/ Scott Lunsford interviewed Ernest Dumas on June 4, 2009, in Little Rock, Arkansas. [00:00:00] Scott Lunsford: First thing is, I have to take care of some business here at the front end. Ernest Dumas: Okay. SL: Um—we are at the Ernie and Elaine Dumas residence in Little Rock, Arkansas. Today's date is June thi . ED: Fourth. SL: . fourth, already, two thousand and nine. Uh—um—my name is Scott Lunsford, and I'm gonna to be interviewing Ernie Dumas. And—um—Ernie, [ED coughs] we're gonna—um—um—I have to ask you if it's okay that we're videotaping this interview and that it reside in the archives of the Special Collections unit, Mullins Library at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville campus. ED: That's fine with me. SL: Great, thank you. Um—so we're gonna start with—uh—where and when you were born. ED: I was born—uh—December 13, 1937, a—at El Dorado in Union County. SL: Mh-hmm. The David and Barbara Pryor Center for Arkansas Oral and Visual History, University of Arkansas 1 Arkansas Memories Project, Ernest Dumas Interview, June 4, 2009 http://pryorcenter.uark.edu/ ED: And my daddy was Joseph Clifton Dumas. SL: Mh-hmm. ED: And my momma was Berta Canady Dumas. SL: And what was your—what is your full name? ED: Ernest Clifton Dumas. SL: Okay—um . ED: And I was the second. I have an elderly—a elder brother who was—uh—William Wayne Dumas. Who lives in—at Columbia, Missouri, now. SL: Mh-hmm. ED: He was about two and a half years older than I was. SL: And—um—uh—you were actually born in El Dorado then. [00:01:28] ED: Born in El Dorado but—uh—we lived in—outside El Dorado about eight miles—uh—uh—northeast of El Dorado—uh— toward the town of Calion—we lived on a place called Champagnolle Road—C-H-A-M-P-A-G-N-O-L-L-E—that's a kind of a French word and . SL: Uh-huh. ED: . I guess maybe appropriate 'cause the Dumases were—were originally French—they were French Huguenots, came over about 1700 from southern France. So I—I—so I guess some Frenchmen settled it in Champagnolle—I don't know what it The David and Barbara Pryor Center for Arkansas Oral and Visual History, University of Arkansas 2 Arkansas Memories Project, Ernest Dumas Interview, June 4, 2009 http://pryorcenter.uark.edu/ means, but it's a—it's a French word—but—it was near the Ouachita River. It's—we were about two miles above the Ouachita River. It's a little country road—uh—dirt road. It was never—never paved as long as we lived there. [00:02:66] SL: Uh-huh. And—um—what was it that your—uh—uh— father did for a living? ED: Uh—my daddy was—uh—he was a—uh—I—I guess a truck driver. Uh—early on he had—uh—he—he hauled oil back during the oil boom—um—and—uh—then that didn't turn out too well. And—uh—uh—I—I could tell that story, but—uh—but then he started hauling logs, and that was most of his life he—uh—he hauled logs. SL: Mh-hmm. ED: For—sometimes he was kind of an independent contractor. Sometimes he hauled logs for the Anthonys . SL: Mh-hmm. ED: . who were big—uh—big—uh—uh—woodsmen in south Arkansas . SL: Mh-hmm. ED: . and so he hauled logs for the—for the—for the Anthony brothers' mills. But usually he bought his—he bought—uh— bought logs—bought timber from people who owned—uh—pine The David and Barbara Pryor Center for Arkansas Oral and Visual History, University of Arkansas 3 Arkansas Memories Project, Ernest Dumas Interview, June 4, 2009 http://pryorcenter.uark.edu/ timber, and—and he harvested it and hauled it to the mills. He always had him an old—old truck—an old International or—or— or Chevrolet truck that he owned, and—uh—usually had one employee. Uh—he had—uh—this black guy who lived over in the woods behind us. He drove the mules. The mules would—uh— would pull the, you know—they'd cut the logs in the woods and— and—uh—uh—use the mules to load the—the logs onto the truck, and he'd haul them to the mill. That was his—that was his life. [00:03:41] SL: Now was that was that same [ED clears throat]—is that the—um—relations to Beryl Anthony? ED: Beryl Anthony was the—the elder Beryl Anthony—uh—the father of the—of the former congressman . SL: Mh-hmm. ED: . uh—was the guy he dealt with most often. And—uh . SL: Mh-hmm. ED: . we used to drive in with him on Saturday mornings to Beryl Anthony's mansion, and—and Beryl would come out and pay him his cash for the week. So, and that's—uh—Berly, his son was Berly—uh—we called him—it's B-E-R-Y-L, and at school we called him Beryly, and he later became a, of course, a congressman. SL: Uh-huh. So were you—we'll—we'll get back to that. Uh—what The David and Barbara Pryor Center for Arkansas Oral and Visual History, University of Arkansas 4 Arkansas Memories Project, Ernest Dumas Interview, June 4, 2009 http://pryorcenter.uark.edu/ about the oil—uh—side of it? You said there's a story there that . [00:04:24] ED: Well, yeah—well, my daddy—uh—uh—he and a couple of other guys hauled oil. Uh—I don't know exactly how that worked, but I—I'm sure they—he didn't have an oil truck. He wouldn't have been able to afford to buy an oil truck. But they hauled oil. I'm quite—I don't know, maybe five or six months for this—some company that had—uh—uh—uh—uh—oil interests. And—uh—but they never—he never got paid—and he and the other guys never got paid for their—uh—uh—for their work. So eventually they went into town and hired a lawyer at El Dorado to—to represent them, and they sued—uh—they sued this company and—and won a judgment. SL: Mh-hmm. ED: And the court said, "Yeah, you have to pay these guys for hauling your oil." And—uh—so—but they never got a dime of it.
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