Wednesday, July 21, 1977 Asadha 30, 1899 (Saka)

LOK SABHA DEBATES

(Sixth Series)

V«L V

[ July 16 to 28, igwlAsadha2 $ to Sravarn 6, 18% tSaka)%

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Second Session 1977/1899 (Saha)

{Vol. V contains Nos.31 -- 40)

101 SASHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELS C ONTENTS

No. 35, Thursday, July 2 1, 1977lAsadha 30, 1899 (Saka) C o lu m n s Oral Answers to Questions: ♦Starred Questions Nos. 565 to 568 1—30

Written Answers to Questions: Starred Questions Nos. 569 to 584 30—45

'UiStarfed Questions Nos. 4254 to 4256, 4258 to 4353 and 4355 to 4401 . . . 46—180

Statement correcting Answers to USQ 2800 dated 7-7-1977 . 180—182

Ejection of Speaker . 183—184 felicitations to the Speaker—

Shri Morarji D e s a i ...... 184____ 185

Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan . . 185 187

Shri Samar Mukherjee . . . 187—188

Shri A. Bala Pajanor . . . . 188—191

Shri M. N. Govindan Nair...... 191__ 192

Shri K. Raghu Ramaiah ’ftME-NT LIBRARY.! 192—193

Shri P. K. Deo . 1 \ *93 —194

Shri George Mathew . 1 p~'e ' *. I .*■ 1 194_X9^ Prof. P. G. Mavalankar . ’ ! . . 195—195

Shri A. E. T. Barrow ...... 196_____ 197

Shri Tridib Chaudhuri ...... 197

Shri Chitta Basu ...... 197— 198

Shri N. Sreekantan N a i r ...... 198

Mr. S p e a k e r ......

Business Advisory Committee—

♦The sign+ marked above the name of a Member indicates that the Question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member, (ii ) C o lu m n s Motion re. Annual Report of University Grants Commission for 1975-76—

Shri K. Lakkappa . . . 201—208

Prof. Dilip Chakravarty . 208—216

Shri C. K. Chandrappan 217—220

Dr. Subramaniam Swamy . . . 220—227

Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu . . . . 227—229

Shri Vayalar Ravi ...... 229—237

Shri Nathu Singh .... . 237—2^5

Prof. P. G. Mavalankar ...... 2 4 5 ^ ^ 1

Shri P. S. Ramalingam . . 251—7 ^

Dr. Ramji Singh . 254—26a/

Prof. Shibban Lai Saksena . . 260—263

Shri Bhagat Ram . . . . 263—266

Shri Ram Sewak Hazari . 266—270

Shrimati Chandravati . . . 270—273

Gopal Reddy . . . 273—275

E&. Pratap Chandra Chunder ...... 275—290

Resignation by Member . . - . . 290—291

Half-an-hbtnHBiscussion— ? • • '... ^ _ 4 Rural Poor—

Shri Chitta Basu ...... 291—296

Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu ...... 296—297

Shri K. Lakkappa .... . 297—299

Shri Krishna Chandra Haider . . . 299—300

Shri Samar Guha 300—301

Shri Surjit Singh B a m a l a ...... 301—304 LOK SABHA DEBATES i z LOK SABHA ( ii ) ^ tr % ftnT ^rferr Thursday, July 21, 1977/Asadha 30, 1899 (Sakn) *TTWT *T '37TRT |

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Setting up of Committee ot Members of Parliament for Calcutta Telephones 6. spiral, Tt® *566. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 7. «ft q fe - r\r<\m pleased to state: ^iPn4, ^P'TT^TT, (a) whether he has considered the ^TFT^TJT I proposal for setting up of small Com­ mittee of the Members of Parliament 8. w t w fsm p u fi to go into the grievances of Calcutta Telephone subscribers and suggest wrfcrsr, $^RRnr; P*m i measures for improvement of the W l Of I functioning of Calcutta Telephone; and

(b) if so, the action taken in pur­ suance thereof?

9. ^3 v5To ^fto 'H^if«i€iM^J, THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ sfr^- ^rf^r, TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): (a) and (b). The proposal has been ^T^T, M K^R, (rf\t 0 TO *f | ? f t r ——-1^1% alb’ll^ I I SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Sir, I am again to remind our hon. Minister of the Janata Party that although they «ft 7T3I 5ITOW : rR ft ^dHi are known as Janata Ministers, still I ^rrr ^ tt ^ t^ tt g 1% ?f7^ ?t find that the 30 years ghost of Congress mentality is till not only haunting ?n^fe % sffr *ft yx^rrft sftroMir f i them, but also dominating their mind. 13 Oral Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) Oral Answers

I had raised the same question pre­ SHRI S. KUNDU: I request Mr. viously. ' Samar Guha through you Sir, to be kind to others whose questions are AN HON. MEMBER: How many there to be answered after him. times? SHRI SAMAR GUHA: I appreciate SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Many times. it. I am one of the victims-there are I put the same type of question. The thousands of them-among the Calcutta continuing basis of examination has telephone subscribers. The expert been going on. And when the continu­ committee is not going to do anything, ing basis of examination is going on, I want to know whether Government the misery is continuing for the sub­ of India will re-examine the question, scriber. His telephone is continuing, because the appointment of a parlia­ then the wrong connection to his tele­ mentary committee has a different phone is continuing, no reply to his meaning. Its influence will have an telephone calls is continuing and the effect on the officials there, as well as miseries of the subscribers of the on the public. Will the assurance given Calcutta telephons are continuing. If by the earlier Communications Minis­ a real survey is made about the func­ ter, Mr. Fernandes that the matter will tioning of the Calcutta telephones, I be considered thoroughly, be fulfilled, think the House will be surprised and and the question of instituting a parlia­ shocked to see for how much time the mentary committee will be considered telephones remain in operation and for again-to go into this plaguing disease how many hours and how many days that is continuing for years in the Cal­ the telephones remain dead. If you cutta Telephones? just make a survey, you will be astio- nished to see how the telephone sub­ scribers in Calcutta are suffering. c

Now, the hon. Minister has given a f^ n tot | i sft stft

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^ ^1 ^c] 3>T |M '^^1 'Snt^TT I SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYA: I have gone to the Telephone Bhavan to ^ft gxrfert st^x qx | s;fat f ^ t ^ find out the procedure for maintenance. % fa q ^ § ® ?ur s n % fspm ^tt The man in charge was saying that it is only because of the maintenance pro­ T?r | i cedure and maintenance arrangement that the Calcutta telphones is suffering SHRI SAMAR GUHA: I want to so much, but the Centre is not looking know from the hon. Minister: (a) the into the matter. That is their com­ number of telephone connections at plaint. present, i.e. these given to the sub­ scribers in Bombay, Delhi and Calcutta, as also the new telephone lines which sft 4jvsMM are to be connected and given to the ^ jfSTTTT^'SF'T ^ subcribers during 1977-78; and (b) f^nrr ^ 11 fan snti? ^ rit| whether it is a fact that in the rural areas, in the expansion programmes % i <.JI 'SW+f ^ % of tfte telephones, exorbitant charges f^Ttr ^ *t?5t |ft ^SW. ^TT | are being levied by the government. «TT t[ I T f T^t 'TT fSTT | tp: ^TT sft it f ^ H«RTT i f a W H r are always out of order. But the 20 days during th?s period my tel^phow peculiarity is this that at the end of was out, of ord^r. Even though I the month the Telephone Department wrote so many letters to the General sends bills for regular charges as if Manager, Calcutta Telephones, I re­ these telephone exchanges were work­ ceived a reply only alter the comple­ ing throughout the month. May I know tion of the third weejf. Tbeji, I will whether the Government have any in­ narrate another interesting experience. formation regarding this? What is the The Delhi telephones se^m^ to be no maintenance procedure of these ex­ better. Day before yesterday I tried changes and telephone lines in the to contact ShrL George, Fernand^, who Calcutta nrea? was the Minister in charge of this 17 ' Oral Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18

Department till the other day. Both his a Member of this Committee for a very residential telephones were out of order. long time. This Committee merely deci­ Even telephone No. 198 kept me wait­ des about .the priority amongst the ing for more than half an hour to pending applications, nothing more have it recorded that these telephones than that. The problems of the Cal­ were out of order. So, the Delhi tele­ cutta telephones are very much more phones also seem to be in a bad con­ acute because for over ten years there dition. Is the Minister aware of it? has been an annual backlog of over 100,000 telephones. Besides, there are certain new cross bar exchanges which sft * ft ^IHdI |T 1% have been introduced there and when irT rfw | ^ you try to get a cross bar exchange fRRT 11 ^ % number from a traditional number, the answer that you get is that the ex­ f?TTT =p3*T ^srtT wr | i change is out of order. So, will the if ^ft '-9 wt*T5ftmf srntr : | fa ^itfr *nrf ^ it iHfihd if fq ^ l< «tnn % f%if #St f f I sfr ^ s Pti+iwt % MINES be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have taken f%*, fJRTf fS==T % f?r*r l(W E a final decision to expand the existing tst ft | faair ^ % integrated public sector steel plants; «ft sffrT | 38% '•U+tiR and i^r ^ir€t ^rrf «rf | ?fk ^ ir sfr (b) if so, th$ salient features in ^ gii«l r+XI regard to capacity and expenditure in­ volved? fW&- 2 H^l«* ^ ^ THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND ?F^fr STCfeT. I MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): Ca) and (b). A Statement is laid on the SHRI ASOKE KRISHNA DUTT: The Table of the House. bon. Minister stated that these pro­ Statement blems can be dealt with by the Tele­ phone Advisory Committee. Like my Expansion of existing public sector hon. friend, Shri Samar Guha, I was steel plants are being undertaken in a 1 9 Oral Answers JULY 21, 1977 Oral Answers 20> phased manner keeping in view chan­ In order to bring up the capacity of ges in demand pattern, availability of the Plant to its rated level of 1.0 mil­ resources etc. lion tonne, a rehabilitation scheme 2. The Expansion of Projects cover with an estimated cost of Rs. 61.0 not only increase in capacity but also crores is under implementation. diversifications that result in pro­ (vi) DURGAPUR STEEL PLANT duction of more sophisticated products The Salient Features of the schemes Certain diversification proposals are presently under implementation/con­ under consideration of Government. sideration are as given below:— DR. HENRY AUSTIN: From the (i) EXPANSION OF BHILAI STEEL statement it is understood that the PLANT Government are undertaking in a phased manner the expansion of the Bhilai Steel Plant expansion from existing public sector steel plants. I also 2.5 million tonnes to 4.0 million tonnes understand that the expansion pro­ to produce additionally .95 million jects cover not only increasing capacity tonnes of Heavy Plates and 238 mil­ but also, diversification resulting in lion tonnes of Billets at an estimated production of more sophisticated pro­ cost of Rs. 937 crores including a ducts. May I know from the hon. Minis­ foreign exchange component of ter whether, in view of the insipient Rs. 126.5 crores. glut situation in the steel market, this (ii) EXPANSION OF BOKARO programme of increasing the capacity STEEL PLANT of production will result in the utili­ sation of steel in a socially desirable Bokaro Steel Plant expansion from way? May I also know whether the 1.7 million tonnes to 4.0 million tonnes proposed expansion programme will with increased production of Cold affect the steel projects reported to Rolled Flat Products at a total cost have been already sanctioned in the of Rs. 947 crores including a foreign country, particularly in Vizag, Salem exchange component of Rs. 154.4 and Vijayanagar (Hospet). crores. SHRI BIJU PATNAIK: The hon. (iii) ALLOY STEEL PLANT, DUR- Member has made a statement instead GAPUR of asking a question. He has assumed that Vishakhapatnam and Hospet steel The proposal to set up additional plants have been sanctioned which is melting facilities to produce ingots for only partially correct. rolling into blooms/billets in the exist­ ing blooming and billet mill with an As far as the expansion of plants is estimated cost of Rs. 8.46 crores in­ concerned, there is a schedule of ex­ clusive of a foreign exchange com­ pansion and it is continuing. It will ponent of Rs. 0.18 crores, has been be completed by 1980, 1981 and 82 and approved by SAIL. by that time both the internal as well (iv) COLD ROLLED GRAIN ORIEN­ as the external demands will be there. TED AND NON-ORIENTED SILICON ELECTRICAL SHEETS As far as the other projects—Salem, AT THE ROURKELA STEEL Hospet, Vishakhapatnam are concern­ PLANT ed, the hon. Member knows very well that a Task Force was appointed by The proposal to manufacture Elec­ the previous Government and new trical Sheets with an estimated cost of locations recommended for considera­ about Rs. I ll crores is under conside­ tion of Government were: ration. (v) INDIAN IRON AND STEEL CO. 1. Vishakhapatnam plant based on (Rehabilitation Scheme). Bailadila ore. 21 Oral Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) Oral Answers

2. Another plant based on Bonaigarh begin. Secondly, when will the s**- iron ore deposits in Orissa. cond steel plant be located in Orissa? 3. A plant on the Western Ghat based on Kudremukh iron ore de­ SHRI BIJU PATNAIK: I can as­ posits. sure the hon. Member from Orissa that all the political or economic im­ 4. Another plant based on iron ore balances which appear to be there, deposits of Goa Supplemented by iron according to the Member, in planning ore from Bellary-Hospet reserves. and location of steel plants will be corrected by this Government. These were the possible locations re­ commended by the Task Force. As I have said earlier during the debate SHRI MOHD. SHAFI QURESKI: on the Demands for Grants of my The hon. Minister is rather very lucky Ministry, all these matters are receiv­ in going to a Ministry which has given ing the urgent attention of the Gov­ an all-time high record of production ernment. of 10 million tonnes of steel to this country. In 1947, we had only two DR. HENRY AUSTIN: What are integrated steel plants with a capa­ the particular sophisticated products city of 1.3 million tonnes. Then, which various steel mills are propos­ there was an ambitious steel pro­ ing to produce? Whether these so­ gramme in the Second Five Year phisticated products made as a result Plan to raise the production from 1.3 of diversification programme are million tonnes to 6 million tonnes. meant for the consumption of affluent Later on, the capacity was raised ta segments of our society or whether 8.9 million tonnes. I am sure he will they are meant for export purposes. keep up this progress because this is an indication how the country SHRI BIJU PATNAIK: Any so­ should progress. phistication of these products does not mean that it will go to the affluent May I know from the hon. Minis­ sections of the people. All the so­ ter as to by what time the 4-million- phisticated products are meant for the tonne stage of the Bokaro Steel Plant consuming industries like the elec­ without the cold rolling mill or with trical and other industries which need the cold rolling mill will come into better class of steel for quality manu­ operation and, secondly, wha4, is the facture for internal consumption as latest position with regard to steel well as for export. plants of Salem, Vizag, Vijyanagar SHRI S. KUNDU: For a long time and Hospet and whether he has made the expansion programme of Rour- any further feasibility studies of kela Steel Plant is hanging fire. When locating steel plants without political we demand a second steel plant, we considerations in other parts of Ihe are told that Rourkela Steel Plant will country? be expanded and when we ask for its expansion, we -ire told that it has* SHRI BIJU PATNAIK; This is a not yet reached its rated capacity. counter question to the question ask­ For a long time, the people of Orissa ed by the hon. Member from Orissa. in particular and the people of India As to when the expansion of Bokaro in general have been befooled. Dust Steel Plant is expected to be com­ has been thrown in their eyes and pleted, a* I said earlier, it will be the national interest has been given a done by 1981-82. About the other go-by for political interest by the for­ plants, I have said that any political mer Congress Government. I would or economic imbalances that may be like the present Minuter to announce found in the location of all these steel a firm date by which time the expan­ plants, these Will be taken into ac­ sion of the Rourkela Steel Plant will count and corrected. .23 Oral Answers JULY 21*, 1977 Oral Answers 24

SHRI MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI; 569 t He has not replisd to my question. My question was :-is to when the 4- ;n^rT ^ 1 fa r i million-tonne stage of the Bokaro Steel Plant without the cold rolling PROF. R. K. AMIN: The expansion mill or with the cold rolling mill will programme which has been stated come into operation. by the hon. Minister must have been based on certain demand projections SHRI BIJU PATNAIK; I have said and these demand projections were already that it will be done by 1981- based on the basis of the pattern of 82. investment which we were going to have according to the Congress Party SHRI MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI: manifesto. But now the Janata Party Without cold rolling mill? is having a different pattern of in­ vestment and, therefore, the demand SHRI BIJU PATNAIK: With cold projections will be different. Will the rolling mill. There is no expansion hon. Minister make changes in the without cold rolling mill. That is the expansion programme according to only expansion which the hon. Mem­ the investment pattern which the ber should know. Janata Party is going to have? SHRI M. SATYANARAYAN RAO: In reply to the |ion. Member, Dr. SHRI BIJU PATNAIK: As far as Henry Austin, the hon. 'Vliriister men­ the investment pattern of the Janata tioned some projects, like, Vizag and Party and its Government is con­ others and he said that that has not cerned, I can assure the hon. Member been sanctioned. Is it a fact that that there will .be no conflict in the the Vizag project has net been sanc­ investment pattern regarding the pre­ tioned? If that is so, how is it that sent expansion A the steel plants and the Andhra Pradesh Government has future rapid expansion of the steel spent so much money on acquisition industry. of land and other things? SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Mr. Deputy- SHRI BIJU PATNAIK: The feasi­ Speaker, Sir, I think, the other day bility studies were ordered; the land also, the hon. Minister, while reply­ acquisition had been ordered by the ing expressed certain doubts regard* Steel Authority of India, under the in­ ing in coming steel plants located in structions of t^e then Government. various parts of the country includ­ Till today, the feasibility report, what ing Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh. is called the detailed project, report When Mr. Kundu put a question, he or the DPR as it is sometimes called, had politicalised it and now he is of the Vizag project has. not been re­ not correctly coming out with an ans­ ceived by the Government as yet. wer. On the basis of that, he said Therefore, you cannot say that the that they were politically sanctioned project has, bee^ sanctioned. The projects and now he is recommending allocation of funds and everything has on economic consideration. That "been, done by the Planning Commis­ means he wants to do some injustice sion and the Cabinet. But I would for the consideration of the steel assure this^ House that what the pre­ plants located in South. A suspicion vious Government had done only for has been created in the minds of the political considerations, we shall im­ agitated Members from South. I plement it for economic considera­ want a categorical answer. We have tions. spent a lot of money. I want a cate­ gorical assurance from him, as far as the. economic aspect is concerned and he must also see that the economic Sf7T srsav t * imbalances of the southern States are Oral Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 2d also taken into consideration. He ernment which will produce about should also assure us that they are 65,000 to 70,000 tonnes of CRGO going to implement all the projects sheets, and other improvements are which are under consideration. being made in the Rourkela Stesl Plant itself for which we have re­ SHRI BIJU PATNAIK: I do not cently sanctioned Rs. 27 crores to re­ know what Mr. Lakkappa, my friend, vamp the hot strip mills so that more was trying to get at. I have answered cold-rolled sheets could be produced the question of my friend. ( Interrup­ from that plant. By 1981-82 when tions) I will not let them down. Even the Bokaro expansion is complete, the so, if the Andhra friends take up entire demand of the cold-rolled cudgels against me for the Karnataka sheets of India will be more than friends because you are contiguous, I fully met. have t0 say that there is a possibility of gteel plant being located in Karna­ Sixth National Conference on Com­ taka, but the location may change. municable Diseases But there is a clear possibility. As I have said earlier, the Visakhapat- *568. SHRI SHIV SAMP ATI RAM: nam Plant will have the -first priority Will the Minister of HEALTH AND in the expansion programme of the FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to Janata Government. Salem produc­ state: tion will be on stream by 1981. As far as the plant at Vijaynagar is con­ (a) whether the Sixth National Con­ cerned, I had discussions with the ference on communicable diseases had Chief Minister, experts and other peo­ urged the Government to establish a ple. It is very clear that the cost statutory agency to look into the pro­ of production of the land—locked blem of water pollution and enforce plant located in Karnataka will be effective control through suitable mea­ far higher than the port based plant sures to be adopted by local agencies; in Karnataka, in Mangalore. The eco­ nomic possibilities are being studied (b) whether the Conference had also and I can assure the hon. Member said in a resolution that the tubercu­ that I will not deal with such massive losis programme in the country was investment for any political conside­ not progressing satisfactorily; and ration, whatsoever. (c) the reaction of Government and the steps taken in this regard? SHRI D. D. DESAI: The items which are imported, namely, cold rolled grain oriented silicon steel elec­ «rforrc trical sheets for electric industry as ttsi : ( * ) | well as tin plate—I would say tin s h e e ts — which are required for the (^ ) 5ft ! container industry, both are continu­ ing to be imported. Would the hon. (*r) ?r ^ tort if f® Minister say what is the time table f I ^TSfTT rnp fafT’JV *TOT | for manufacture of both these items within the country? forc w ^ i

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“For effective public health edu~ f% TTSft t 'Sft ^ft¥ cation, it i§ necessary that there should be a study of social habits fr ^ w r and customs of the population in ^rmrfr ^ jf? rural areas. Involvement of local leaders, school teachers, local Dais *HlT % TPft §— 3TTPWt *T*IT ^7T and local indigenous practitioners hM'Y, T O T W TRV I *nTT seems to be necessary for effective fpT *T*IT-Hldl fr '3TT^T3t ^5T health delivery to the masses. Fu­ sion of modern ideas has to be |— *ft STfTcT 3TT made with the established health f , 5fcPhi practices the people have been fol­ lowing for a long time. Exposure 3?t JHIT *T f%tpft WTTT ^ft of medical students to the commu­ ^ ^ 3TT AWT I ^f«TT sflft lift nicable diseases is too meagre in ^§T eft 3|T fosTTf Tf^fT ^-qfo^T, comparison to the mortality and morbidity brought about by com­ ^ tfe r ^t municable diseases. At least three months should be devoted to the % fir^T ^rr I rft ^ f t mRc* study of communicable diseases.” ^PTT ^>t HTRT ^t 5T5T5 fe n - ^ I “Every hospital should have an Iso_ JTFTt t1<+K ^ f ^ ^ tf lation Ward. In the training of medical students, it is necessary to et>i

sfftR , ^ WH'Vj ^ SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: I would be thankful t0 3rou if you can ask the Hon. Minister to at least speak fffr | ?fh: <$?rt f fcr# slowly while speaking in his beauti­ ful Hindi so that we may also be fTRT % WT 1%3T | I 3 t i able to follow something. The entire 5FTT3T 14 TT^ft ^^>4Tcf> House is laughing at his jokes and ®R“RT ^ I ^ 1 974 humour, but we are mere spectators without being able to participate in ff 'R^RTT the discussion. *TclT f fe ^ 3t¥ % STT3T 'Sft «ft, WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ^ vnN rft 11 ^rnsr ^ t 3 rrc ^ tt ^t , 1 ^ s V ♦I'HO H^TrfFT % % ?n^r ^tptt 1 * 569. «ft WT5T cunft : t — rT3T W #^t «4dr^t it t * v * if 15 1 1 t °F^nr * *rsr % tpt qf srars eft «ftft I ^Tf^T t ^ ^ ^rr {m) SPTT ^ ^ —Wl'ft % vjth+t

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1975 if Jf ^ fa^U IT f^ T T f=RTT 3mr«TT \ ^ ^ 9 if fspUT ’T'TT fa> 3rf*W 'srfW t I TT5ift afR pm ff ^JTFT JTt^'IWt % ?RFT% ^PRTT p jR if ^THT 5TfHT ^ ^Tt^STRTt^ 3Tpft M lf^, 3% *WHt % tMWt ^rP=*Tf^T5r |, ?r? ^stt 30 r 7 d4 i

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Tnnff spt JTt^TnS; *r*PT V* Appointment of Ambassadors, High gifap jftasnsff if, wrct^r ’TJf Commissioners and Consuls General ?f?acr srfW t ^ tprfRT *573. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: g^-oO?^TT ^pft 1 T^5, Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF­ 1976 S f^ 28« *Wt FAIRS be pleased to state: ^irSr^rsr if *srtr Hfsnft ^ sf'RniRH P tw (a) whether any new appointments ft? v c A *1^ of the Indian Ambassadors, High Com­ —fww^x sraf missioners, Consuls General, etc. have been made since the Janata Party took if w it % ^ferer srfatf office in March this year; if so, full |— stJ h r jft^HT sftr r<4+-m facts thereof; ^>t*f 4(4 3 Wf ifhft I HW?t 'T* (b) the number of such vacant posts TTPT, 1977 if f l ^rf^f ^ t5*> ^ not yet filled; f « K ftrm w *ftr *nft sw t (c) when will they be filled; and sjtpt if x s flfuftr if ft* "if* xrfW iiT TTiJft if 5 ^: ^TTTT 5TT% (d) how—by career diplomats or t o yTn+t flw r from amongst the eminent people drawn from public life? ?irr^r«T ir ^ I , iKftnr. v * ^ *f ftr # ?rfM^Rr r i t o ^tf ^hw^tt THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL *rff 11 «rfW t vt AFFAIRS (SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE): (a) Yes, Sir. There 3^: TOT^T ^T J T ^ fNSr^K |, w f^tr have been 10 appointments of Heads ^TT^ fe n n^T fa TT>*T « w < l Tt of Mission since the present Gov­ ernment took office. They are in the f^r «M>-a if ^1% ^ 35 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers

course of completing their formali­ Formation of Xrnst fQj Research In ties, briefing, etc., before assuming Ayurvefl at Coimbatore office. *575. SHRI D. B. CHANDRE GOW­ Counsuls—^Genera!l/Consuls etc. DA; Will the Minister of fiEAL+H have also actually assumed charge AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state; during this period. At other levels, a number of anointments have been (a) whether an Ayurvedic trust made in the course of normal adminis­ for undertaking research in Ayur- tration. ved has been formed at Coimbatore in collaboration with the World (b) There are four such vacant Health Organisation and the Indian posts of Heads of Mission. Council of Medical Research; and

(c) and (d). Persons concerned (b) if so, the details thereof? have been selected for 3 of these posts and will be proceeding shortly to THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND assume charge. Two of these have FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ been drawn from public life arid one NARAIN); (a) and (b). World from within the service. Formalities Health Organisation and the Minis­ connected with the selection of a suit­ try of Health and Family Welfare able Head of Mission for the fourth through the Indian Council of Medi­ vacant post are being completed. cal Research have agreed for mutual collaboration on the research study entitled “Research on Efficacy of Nickel Plant at Snkinda Aurvedic Treatment ‘Rheumatoid Arthritis* (Amavata in Ayurveda)” to be conducted at the Ayurvedic Trust *574. SHRI S. KUNDU: Will the and Research Institute in Coimbatore, Minister of STEEL AND MINES be Tamil Nadu under the joint sponsor­ pleased to state: ship of the WHO and the ICMR dur­ ing the years 1977 to 1980. The World (a) whether Government have sti­ Health Organisation has agreed to pulated any time for completion provide the ICMR a total sum of US of modification of the pilot plant for $ 20,000 in a phased manner duritig Nickel to be located at Sukinda; and the first two years, namely 1977 and 1978, of this four year study. The (b) if so, facts thereof? research study has started with effect from 1st April, 1977.

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. While sanction­ ing the additional cost it was stipu­ * 5 7 6 iftemra qS*T : ^TT lated that the modifications of the fiRSI ^ ^ f^TT ft) : Pilot Plant, and requisite tests on the ore should be completed by the Con­ (^ ) f $ sultants M/s. Chemicals & Metallurgi­ cal Design Company and report sub­ snTcfar jpwKi sr ^ f ?rh; 3^% mitted by end of September, 1977. 5PT3T 3TPT t ; To ensure that the Consultants ad­ hered to the stipulated schedule, a (^r) t o ^ Bank guaraiit6e of maximtrm fts. 40,000 was Obtained from the Con- fair sultanfs. | ; stir 37 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers

(*r) rfr sftn ^rr (b) The latest round of the survey was completed in March 1977 and the t? results are being analysed.

(gftsre* f t gfcl ) : (c) Does not arise. (^ ) f ^ f f $ irror % i2 4 fforrqif ^ | I IPTT^ frTSFTrff %^5ff (d) Does not arise as the survey has already been conducted and the 'To? *t>i4 T n fk R 5^i % ^*ifi patients a^e being treated in the ^ 52m 3r |tt f^ff ^ tot normal pattern. ^ ^ t t srft 3?t ^TrlT | I w m r ) Trsn sfan stem $fa Tt ?TT»T ^JTSfT (^) *rk (*r). *fr, ^f i 28 1977 ^ ^-VJ^qfd % vjftf¥ WRxT *578. : SRT % TPSCT^T % FT ^ T | f, #*t «m ^ srar% # ^rnrtir 3r *r+t< ^ fi'TT ft> 1 ^T ^ 1w *TT I qifer ?ftfofr % w i f w f f ^ srk (^>) 5V*TTqlvHi tft f^r ^ for titt 11 ^ cfk ^>f^l f7T HPT TT, fq5^l TT^T^nT % firtr *Tt KWH % f^TTTTEftw I ; P ^ k ^TRR ^T TT MtH^I 5M l *R|T (»t) nfk ^r, eft a^Rsft t o t sn# «tt i w t| ?

Survey regarding T.B. incidence («ft *577. SHRI SHANKERSINHJI VA- : (^ ) 5flT (^ ) . *p?$TC GHELA: Will the Minister of W SIcT % I ft: ?TRT3r ^T5TT HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE sffT ^ f spt JT^feniT ?JTR>I Sjforf be pleased to state: ^rt ^ ^ 59- §f srk *rt*PK (a) whether Government are aware TT3SI t m jff^RT ?TTR>r «Pr+i of the views of the Director of New Delhi Tuberculosis Centre that 40,000 cit*ies CT>1*1 cpf M^ 1 <, citizens in the Capital do not know I, ir^rPr f M w that they have T.B; SR^TR |?TT I I (b) when the last survey was con­ ducted in this regard; Taralin powder as adulterant Of (c) the reasons for not conducting coffee survey for a very long period; and *579. SHRI BAPUSAHEB PARU- (d) the reaction of Government LEKAR: Will the Minister oi thereto and the action proposed to be HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE taken to conduct the survey and treat be pleased to state: the patients? (a) whether Government propose THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND to allow the use of C. Taralin powder FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ like chikori to be used as adulterant NARAIN): (a) Yes Sir. of cbffee; 39 Written Answers JULY 21. 1977 Written Answers 40

(b) whether Government are aware THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND that C. Taralin powder, which is pre­ FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ pared from C. Taralin, if added with NARAIN): (a) There are no specific coffee powder like chikori, a better demands in writing from the Resident drink than chikori mixed coffee can Doctors of the Safdarjung Hospital. be prepared; However, the Resident Doctors* As­ sociation of the Hospital had a meeting (c) whether Government are also on 1-7-1977 with the Medical Supdt. aware that C. Taralin is available in to discuss about improving amenities plenty in our country and especially for them. in Ratnagiri district in Maharashtra; and (b). A total of 272 resident doctors are eligible for allotment of accom­ (d) if so, whether Government modation. The Hospital authorities propose to make necessary amend­ have been able to provide accommoda­ ments in Prevention of Food Adulte­ tion to 253 officers of different catego­ ration Act to allow free use of C. ries of the resident doctors. Taralin Powder as adulterant of coffee? (c). The Resident Doctors’ Associa­ THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND tion of the Safdarjung Hospital have FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ met the Medical Superintendent of the NARAIN): (a) There is no proposal Hospital to discuss about their various to allow the use of Cassiatora Linn requirements which includes the pro­ in coffee. blem of accommodation. (b) Such information is not avail­ able. (d) The problems relatings to ac­ commodation for resident doctors will (c) It is a small weed plant found be sorted out after the new Nurses throughout India. Hostel is built and the resident doctors are provided accommodation currently (d) No, Sir. allotted to Nursing staff.

Demands of Resident Doctors and Interns of Safdarjung Hospital s rfw f ^ *580. DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN­ DIT: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: *581. |*TTT3r : (a) whether the Resident Doctors and Interns are demanding the solu­ t o strata m i ^ tion of their old demands in the Saf­ darjung Hospital;

(b) whether accommodation and ( I %5T H it t amenities at the Hospital are grossly inadequate for t&e situation; 3T9TT,

(d) the steps Government have ^ ^TEZPTT taken to solve the problem and avert ^rr ^7^“ % ST77T RT f^TR J agitatioa or satyagrah by the Doc- srk 4 I Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 42

(&) ft, 5ft »IM *P* Discontentment among Junior Doctors ft srmT sfk nfe ?fr wt *583. SHRI D. D. DESAI: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state:

wu} a«n «w («ft (a) whether there is considerable Vrf) : (*) (w). * t f f discontentment among Junior doctors srfWt swRff, srtr all over the country about their ser­ vice conditions and prospects; and + ^ i° i ^t. faPwfad 5rar 14 % m (Tof qf^^mTi ?fk (b) if so, what the Government fW U l % 7 . 00 sn* ^rra^TH % 6. 00 propose to do about it? STRT: % ^N' pRT3R <17; Tfa? vTHH

% fan? «ftft a*rr (m r $4+k (foftsrc ™ ? T m in is t e r o f h e a l t h a n d *Y ?reF) trfgf^Fm, 1966 % SnffcT nI b -^ m LFARE (SHRI RAJ NARAIN): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. ^ ft srtfeftr^ fw^rrTH here is considerable discontentment 1 1 * n jfff st r m *r<'+iT ^ t t ject, there cannot be a uniform policy ^ wsntfl i for providing emoluments and other facilities to junior doctors in all the States.

New Instrument for eye operations The service conditions vary from State to state and depend on the avai­ *582. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Will the lability of financial resources, the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY spread of the existing services and the WELFARE be pleased to state: further needs of the community. In our view the prospects for self-employ­ ment of doctors in rural and semi-rural (a) whether National # Physical areas are bright. Available informa­ Laboratory has developed a new tion in respect of State Governments/ instrument for eye operations; Union Territories is given in the State- ment.

(b) if so, whether thousands of patients will be able to get their eye Statement cataract operated within seconds; and CONSOLIDATED INFORMATION (c) if so, the facts thereof? REGARDING DISCONTENTMENT AMONG JUNIOR DOCTORS IN THE COUNTRY THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ The requisite information in regard NARAIN): (a) No, Sir. to the question is available from the following States/U.Ts. namely, Hima­ chal Pradesh, Kerala, Uttar Pradesh, (b) Does not arise. Manipur, Orissa, Andhra Pradesh, Pondicherry and Madhya Pradesh. (c) Does not arise. The position in respect of the various £ Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 44

States/Union Territories is as given against each:—

x. Himachal Ptadesh There is no discontentment among Junior Doctors about their service conditions and future prospect?.

2. Kerala . There is no category of Junior Doctors as such. The lowest category of doctors mtjie State arc the Assis­ tant Surgeons and Insurance Medical Officers. Their main difficulties are accommodation and:6thcr minimum facilities when posted to rural are as and in remote and hilly areas. These difficulties are being solved on a phased programme according to availability of funds.

3. Uttar Pradesh] . The Junior Doctors in the State went on a strike from May 4 to 14. Their demands included enhance­ ment of emoluments, scrapping of C.D.S., stipends to unpaid post-graduate students, provisicn of free accommodation, leate facilities etc. These demands are under the active consideration of the State Government.

4. Manipur There is discontentment among Junior Doctors in the State. The State Government is trying to improve working conditions and to provide neces­ sary amenities.

5. Orissa . The Junior Assistant Surgeons with D.M.S.M. quali­ fication and Junior Assistant Surgeons who acquired M.B.B.S. in condensed course demanded re-desig­ nation as Assistant Surgeon and service conditions and future prospects. The demands are under consideration of the State Government.

6. Andhra Pradesh . The Association of Post-Graduate Students and Interns in the State made representation to the State Gov­ ernment containing several demands. The main demands include enhancement of stipends to post- Graduates and Interns, assurance or job after pas­ sing, increase of post-graduate seats, creation of senior house surgency, formation of a Medical University in Andhra Pradesh and manner of selec­ tion of post-gra4uate students. These demands were looked into by the State Government and the State Health Minister made a statement cn the Floor of the House regarding fhe decision of the State Government in regard to the demands of the Junior Doctors.

7. Pondicherry . There are no Junior Doctors in the Union Territory of Pondicherry.

TV* : -Pt/idcsh . The Junior Doctors Association in the State hrd re­ presented for revision df scales and improvement of service conditions and prospects. These demands are under consideration of the State Government. 45 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers 46

i f r o qr Introduction of Watch Making Trade In X TX s, Delhi 5RIT

4254. S9BI KIIJIT BIKRAM DEB BURMAN: Will the Minister of * 584 - fTo ’w p ft HKI^W I I W 5 PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND w r Hflvhr a*n spt *f^t ^ w?tt^ LABOUR be pleased to state: fi’TT ft> : (a) whether no training facility is available in respect of watch making ( !P) =H4l 3Ih+ TT ®PT*T" trade in various I.T.Is., in Delhi; ^ *rar^f ¥V ^ tt p r c t jfttft (b) if, so, whether there is any pro­ *m^T % fiHnrrafa | ; srk posal under Government’s considera­ tion to introduce such course in the I.T.Is. of Delhi; and (^) Jjf? ft,

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ «ra (Wt W *T5ft (*ft TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR (SHRI *fcar **rf) : (^ ) jrfc (w ). * r - RAVINDRA VARMA): (a) to (c). At present no training facility is available •HHd: f’ T^TT^T ?f%?r spnrfer in respect of this trade. It is, however, STsI % «rftnpf «pt SSTTSTf ^t 5fH proposed to start this trade in the In­ ^ fjH *} *t 3|g;T ^t 5l**dl<. TT ^TcPT dustrial Training Institute, Narela (Delhi) from 1st August, 1978 on an *T3Tc^t irfET^PT, 1948 % 4l'a«ia experimental basis. ?TT% ^TH T| ji Jl 10 t 5PT | s*r STftrfm *r *t^pt Jrsrfft ?ff Survey for Lime stone in Himachal % Praftor ?r*rr w tspr, spm n z i , Pradesh flr*PT^fr srk H m fg * fasjw l^rasTft^jt -< m v m 115fr*rfqfa*w 4255. SHRI DURGA CHAND; Will % ?rrnFT ?rft ^ 1% w s f f w T^nnff the Minister of s^EEL AND MINES be pleased to state: % ^f*T^t % *l«nJ *t ^i'Ji§irs)^ .JP3FTT STTT ■O^’TTi ^ sreft? ?n& (b) if so, the findings thereof; and »nr sftsr ^t ir^r j ^ r f r d R w s m f e r srfW f (c) the manner in which these ^ *TC farOT f^TT 5fT 5% stocks are being utilised? ?ftT 5WT$ff S7t ^H K% % f^TT 5 W THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND g#*Fr f«y?iFi$ an* % MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a> f r j * r r t i ru m * vmr^t *t stt i Yes, Sir. 47 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers

(b). Total estimated reserves in (c) whether out of 13 workmen in­ Bilaspur Sirmur and Kangra Districts volved in the same criminal case pend­ are approximately 225 million tonnes ing, management has chosen 9 trade — and in Chamba District are tentative­ union workers only for summary dis­ ly placed at 350 million tonnes. missals on 31st May, 1975; and (d) if so, the reasons thereof? (c) Production from Bilaspur and sirmur is presently being utilised in hydrated lime, papeT and sugar indus­ THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND tries. The cement Corporation of MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) . India are setting up a cement factory and (b). Nine workmen were dismis­ in Sirmur district with a capacity of sed on 31-5-75 in connection with cer­ 2,00,000 tonnes per annum. tain incidents of serious violence which took place on 29-5-75 at Kolihan Cop­ per Mines of Khetri Copper Complex. Post Offices to every Villages of Bihar The issues relating to these work­ men have been referred by the Central 4256. SHRI RAMANAND TIWARY: Government/State Government of Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ Rajasthan to the Industrial Tribunal at TIONS be pleased to state: Jaipur for adjudication. The matter is subjudice. (a) whether Government have any time bound programme to provide (c) No, Sir. post offices in pach village in Bihar; and (d) Does not arise.

(b) if so, the number of post offices Alleged misuse of Telephones to be opened during the current year installed at Officers’ residences and time by which all the villages will 4259. SHRI SHEO NARAIN: WilL have post offices? the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: THB MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ TION (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): (a) a) the economies made by his Min­ No, Sir. istry in the context of the recent orders issued by the Ministry of Fin-» ance in the matter of reducing ex­ (b) It is proposed to open 100 post penditure on telephones installed both offices in the rural areas of Bihar in at the residences and offices of the the current financial year. P&T Department;

Dismissal of Workmen in Khetri (b) whether only book adjustment Copper Complex is made in case of calls made from the P&T Officers* Telephones, if so 4258. SHRI S. G. MURUGAIYAN: what check is exercised against the Will the Minister of STEEL AND misuse of S.T.D. facilities as also the MINES be pleased to state: unlimited number of calls allowed to these Officers; (a) whether management of Khetri Copper Complex has dismissed nine (c) which of the categories of Offl-' workmen on 31st May, 1975 without cers are allowed STD facilities at* any charge sheet, enquiry etc.; their Office and Residences and the (b) if so, the reasons for not follow justification for the same when there *■ ing the procedure as per standing is a facility of booking Service Calls orders and law; always available to them; and Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

(d) what other measures he pro-, THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND poses to take to prevent the misuse MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) Of the telephones for private purpo­ No, Sir. The Industries (Development ses when no payment for the calls and Regulation) Act does not deal with made is to be made? the subject of creation of capacity. The industry is being regulated in accor­ THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ dance with the licensing policy deter­ TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): mined from time to time. (a) All Heads of P&T Units have been instructed to effect economy in expendi­ (b) No such contravention has come ture on telephones consistent with to notice of the Government. efficiency and interest of service. The need for economy is constantly kept (c) Does not arise. in view. Telephones are installed only as they are needed. Setting up Corporation for Production, of Indigenous system of medicines at (b) Telephones provided in the Ranikhet, U.P. offices of P&T officers are service con­ 4261. SHRI SUKHENDRA SINGH; nections and the question of book adjustment does not arise. For re­ SHRI PRASANNBHAI MEHTA: sidential service connections, the same rules apply as for other Government Will the Minister of HEALTH AND servants. FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state:

(c) Officers of Senior Time Scale (a) whether Government have de­ and above are allowed STD facilities cided to set up a Corporation for the on office connections and the gazetted Centralised production of medicines officers on residential telephone con­ of indigenous systems (Ayurvedic and nections. Exigencies of service require Unani) at Banikhet in U.P.; this arrangement. (b) if so, keeping in mind the effi­ cacy of Indian systems of medicine (d) The existing arrangements are and their availability in rural areas, satisfactory and no other measures are whether Government have sought the contemplated for the purpose. assistance of some experts in ayurve­ dic medicines from various States also; and Stainless Steel Industry (c) if so, the details regarding the 4260. SHRI TULSIDAS DASAPPA: plan of Government in this regard? Win the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI (a) whether according to Industries RAJ NARAIN): (a) Yes. (Development and Regulation) Act, 1964 no new capacity should be created (b) A Board of Directors of the in the field of Stainless steel industry; Corporation, comprising of experts in Ayurvedic medicine also is pro­ (b) whether ihe Stainless Steel Re­ posed to be costituted. rollers have established industries in contravention of above Act; and (c) The main objectives of the Cor­ poration shall be: — (c) if so, whether Government pro­ pose to initiate action against such (i) Collection of good quality Stainless Steel Re-rollers? herbs from the Himalayan region. 5 i Written Answer JULY *11, 1977 Written Answers (ii) Cultivation of adequate quan­ House. [Plaf^d in Library. See tities of herb required for the No. L7-7g0/771. Th ese conditions manufacture of medicines. were introduced in 1959 last modi­ fied in 1974.

(iii) Manufacture of Drugs and sell them to the dispensaries under Inclusion of Violation of Foreign the C. G. H. S. Scheme and the Exchange Regulations in extradition Central Council for Research in Treaties Indian Medicine and Homoeopathy, to stcurt with. supply will, how­ ever, be extended in phases, with 4263. SHRI RASHEED MASOOD: the corresponding increase in pro­ Will the Minister of EXTERNAL duction to other hospitals/ institu­ AFFAIRS be pleased to state whe­ tions and in the market. ther the Government has any pro­ posal to include violation of Foreign Post Offices/Branch Post Offices/Pub­ Exchange Regulations in Extradiction lic Call Offices/Telephone Exchanges Treaties with other countries? in States. THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL 4262. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will AFFAIRS (SHRI ATAL BIHARI the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS VAJPAYEE): Yes, Sir. The Gov­ be pleased to state: ernment has the proposal to include violation of Foreign Exchange Re­ (a) the total number of Post Offices gulations in Extradition Treaties with including Branch Post Offices and other countries. Public Call Offices and Telephone Exchanges in the country and State- wise break up; and Diplomatic Exchange with Israel

(b) the conditions laid down to 4264. SHRI F. H. MOHSIN: open a Post Office and a telephone SHRI M. KALYANASUN- exchange and when it is introduced? DRAM:

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI­ Will the Minister of EXTERNAL CATIONS (SHRI BRIJLALVERMA): AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (a) The total number of Post Offices (including Branch Post Offices), (a) whether there is a proposal to Long Distance Public Call Offices and have diplomatic exchange with Israel; Telephone Exchanges as on 1-4-1977 was 120999, 6633, and 5819 respec­ (b) if so, reasons therefor; and tively. A State-wise breakup is given in statement ‘A* laid on (the (c) whether Government propose Table of the House. [Placed in Lib­ to support P. L. O.’s demand for a rary. See No. LT-780/77]. separate State? (b) (i) New Telephone Exchange THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL are opened whenever Technoecono- AFFAIRS (SHRI ATAL BJHAR1 mic studies based on registered de­ VAJPAYEE): (a) No, Sir. mand indicate financial viability of exchanges i.e., enough revenue to cover Annual Running Cost of pro­ (b) Does not arise. viding the service. (c) India has all along supported (ii) Conditions for opening of the legitimate rights of the Palesti­ post office are given in the state­ nian people including their rigljt to ment *B’ laid on the Table of the a national State and sovereignty. 53 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers 54

THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRL RAJ NARAiN): (a) Since Health'and 4 265. yTTt 5FFA : Family Welfare was a State subject, tot ^ t o para 15 of the National Population fJTT ff> : Policy statement dated 16-4-1976 stated as follows: — “Where a State legislature, in (^ ) r ^ « H fiifni'S exercise to its own powers, decides ? n r 3r *^r that the time is ripe and it is neces­ ®Ft ^TT Tjft TF3PJT *f^TT ^TR’-5Fra‘ sary of pass legislation for com­ pulsory sterilisation, it may do so” . S fa?r irr^- ^rT^ff No such legislation, however, was 5Rr ^ *r£ t ^ t% tot ?rm brought into force in any State. Al­ | PRpft *rfa ft*r ^Ft though the Maharashtra Family (Restriction on size) Bill, 1976, yfe^jftcr ’it |; srk duly passed by the Maharashtra State Legislatures, was referred by (^■) tot qftrarrfoff sttt sjfa the State Government to the Centre *ft *ri< ^rrvft for obtaining the assent of the Presi­ dent of India, President’s assent was *?r srfir % far* ^ ^ withheld to the Bill. ' Draft Bills fe?T to t | 1 on Compulsory Family Planning/ Sterilisation referred to the Central fwra to («ft afar Government by the Haryana, Punjab and Uttar Pradesh Governments were qjm**) : (^) 3tfe^ ^rmnxt similarly returned. snjara 1 % zt v i 11 # w Para 16 of the Statement stated as TOT WTT tr^To cfto 781/77] follows: “Some States have also intro- (*§r) *ft ^rft, ftnr ^rhft ^tRt ducted a series of measures direct­ ed towards their employees and STfiOTffa ^Ft *ft ^T tj «!<*>) other citizens in the matter of pre­ i m ^ T felT 5TT ^>T | I ferential allotment of houses, loans etc. for those who have accepted family planning. In thi£ sphere Mode of Compulsory Sterilisation also we have decided to leave it to each individual State to introduce 4266. SHRI KANVAR LAL GUPTA: such measures as they consider "Will the Minister of HEALTH AND - necessary and desirable. Employees FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to of the Union Govt, will be expect­ .state: ed to adopt the small family norm and necessary changes will be (a) the different modes of compul- made in their services/conduct spry sterilisation adopted by the rules to ensure this.*’ ■erst-while Government; As a result, some State Govern­ (b) the result of the policy of the ments introduced disincentives like Congress Government; the following: (i) stoppage of incre­ ments, pay and promotion etc. etc. and (c) what steps Government pro­ withdrawal of facilities like children’s pose to take to popularise family wel­ education allowance, medical reim­ fare; and bursement, allotment of house, trans­ fer T. A-, loans, advances, etc., to (d) what result Government expect Government servants who h^d fw o / from this policy in the coming year? three children and had not undergone 55 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 56 sterilisation. (ii) In the case of the also resulted in complicated prob­ general public, making sterilisation a lems Family Planning beeaume a. condition precedent for the grant of symbol of hatred and the concept of licences under the Essential Commo­ “limited family” for social wel­ dities Act, issue of permits under the fare also became suspect in the Motor Vehicles Act, grant of Scholar­ eyes of the people This led to a ships for higher education, admission feeling of discontent in the public against reserved MBBS/Engineering and in some instances resulted in seats, allotment of lands/sites, vehi­ acute resentment. cles, loans, etc. These disincentives (4) The present Government in­ haVe now either been withdrawn herited hundreds of thousands of fully or are being withdrawn by persons who were suffering from the State Governments. forcible sterilization and inadequate In the case of the Central Govern­ medical attention. Providing relief ment servants Rule 21-A was intro­ to these was a complex task and duced in the C.C.S. (Conduct) Rules, directions had to be given re­ 1964 and orders were issued with­ peatedly to State Governments to drawing some facilities from Govern­ provide medical aid and relief to ment servants who produce a child them. in excess of three after 30-9-1977. For this reason, the new Govern­ ment had to completely stop this (b) Forcible sterilization campaign forcible campaign. resulted in more harm than benefit to the country. It is true that since the (c) The Family Welfare Pro­ inception of the programme 27.05 mil­ gramme will now be based on the re­ lion sterilization have been perform­ vised Family Welfare Programme. ed and 20.6 per cent of the total Policy Details of revised Policy had couples in the reproductive age group been indicated in reply to Lok Sabha have been covered and 29.00 million Starred Question No 79 and Unstar­ births have been averted, yet the red Question No. 638 announced on country has suffered the following 16-6-1977. direct and indirect consequences: — Government of India is re-energis­ (1) This campaign gave rise to ing the publicity set ups, both at the acute public resentment and the disposal of the Centre and State very name of family planning came Governments to popularise the Family to be hated by the people. Welfare Programme. All media, in­ cluding Extension Education, will be (2) Many public lives were lost utilized for this purpose. The State in police filing. Governments have been told in parti­ cular that the basis of the programme (3) The real objective which is absolutely voluntary. Rule 21-A o f was denied, could not be the C.C.S. (Conduct) Rules, 1964 achieved by forcible sterili­ shall be repealed and the orders with­ zation. This marginal annual drawing certain facilities from Gov­ decline in population growth rate ernment servants who produce more could have also been achieved by than 3 children after 30-9-1977, shall voluntary sterilization, I.U.D. inser­ be withdrawn. tion and by popularization of Ayur­ vedic contraception methods in the It is proposed to obtain the co­ rural and far flung areas through operation of the rural women in im­ rural health workers by pursuasive plementing the family welfare pro­ means. gramme with the assistance of Mahila Mandals functioning in the rural The so called gain cf marginal areas. It is also proposed to obtain control of population growth which the assistance of the co-operatives could have been achieved by ether functioning in the rural areas. ^ methods and through motivation, For this purpose an integrated 5 7 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

approach is being developed. Greater THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND emphasis and attention will be paid MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) on schemes for improving the health Ministry of Home Affairs O.M No of mothers and children. A maternity F.5|10|66-Estt(C) dated 15th April* centres approach towards populariz­ 1966 is applicable to Government em­ ing the small family norm will be ployees only, and is not applicable adopted. The training of the tradi­ automatically to employees of the tional Birth Attendants who assist Public Undertakings. women at the time of child birth in villages will be Intensified. A special campaign will be mounted through Whereas Bharat Heavy Electricals the mass media to educate and inform Ltd. have introduced practice in line the community about the services with the above O.M. of 15-4-1966 of provided by the nent for ma­ Minisrcy of Home Affairs, the prac­ ternal and child health and family tice in a number of other undertak­ welfare. ings Is at variance with these instruc­ tions. (d) Efforts will be made to bring down the birth rate at the rate of (b) According to the existing rules one per thousand per annum, reach­ of Hindustan Copper Ltd., the facility ing the level of 30 and 25 per thou­ of transfer of Bond is not permissible sand by the end of Fifth and Sixth to any employee, whether £CIST or Plans respectively. not.

Facility of Transfer of Bond (c) Since the Home Ministry’s In­ 4267. PROF. R. K. AM IN: Will the structions referred to in (a) above Minister of STEEL AND MINES be relate to Government servants only, pleased to state: the question of Hindustan Copper Limited flouting these instructions (a) whether the facility of Transfer does not arise. The Company files of Bond (for technical training) from civil suits in cases where the em­ one Government Department to an­ ployees default in fulfilling the terms other as per Ministry of Home Affairs of bond. Memo. No. F5|10|G6-Estt(C) dated 15th April, 1966, is given to all em­ (d) So far, Hindustan Copper Ltd. ployees by Government and Public have waived the bond condition on TJndertakings including Heavy Elec­ extreme compassionate grounds in tricals Limited; respect of two candidates who were not SC | ST. (b) whether this facility has been denied by M|s. Hindustan Copper In one case, under tragic circum­ Limited to Scheduled Castes [Schedul­ stances, the wife of the employee ed Tribes candidates for their rise; died at Khetri hospital. After leaving (c) whether it has flouted the above Hindustan Copper Ltd. he took up an policy and even harassed and prose­ appointment in the private sector. cuted SC | ST candidates who left Government job to join higher posts In the other case, the employee in other Government undertakings; was released from the bond after he and contacted pulmonary tuberculosis and was on leave for 153 days in a period (d) whether M|s. Hindustan Cop­ of 12 months. It is not known whe­ per Ltd. has waived Bond amount for ther he has taken up employment non SC|ST candidates who left Gov­ anywhere, after he resigned from the ernment job to join private employ­ Company’s services with effect from ment? 24-2-1977. 59 Written Answers JULY 21. 1977 Written Answers 6o

t h i w r % sniff site fevft 5wr (b) whether Government realise that this adulteration enables the tra­ ders to increase their profits; and UMW'I (c) the steps Government propose 42 68 . «ft HT5RiT w if : TOT to take to prevent adulteration which will soon spread to the rural areas ♦i^i ^ ^ 1% i particularly in the State of Karna­ taka? (^>) TOT^>Tfa^TTTRR^TR THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND % *re*rVO >i'

(gr) *fk sr^n; % feft % 5**TJrT W k STR («ft ataf firtj fcrft % 'Sptjt ?rtr 5h^i ci < SCTHfiF) : 3Fm t, 1968 if **TTfiRT % fwz 'dH^fl'wi 5^ ^Rrf^nr sfar t o w sftr 18000 h^t

4269. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: Will 4271. SHRI D. AM AT: Will the the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMI­ Minister of COtorUNICATIONS be LY WELFARE be pleased to state: pleased to state the atmount of money proposed to be Spent on the expan­ (a) whether Groundnut oil availa­ sion of telephone services in Orissa ble through retailers has unpleasant during the current year? taste and imeil and apart from some stickness due to long holdihg this smell THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ is due to tHe mixture of castor oil TIONS (SHRI M lJ LAL VERMA) : which is Cheaper than groundnut ofl; An amount of Rs. 167.88 lakhs is pro­ 6l Written Answers ASADHA 304 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 62,

posed to be spent on on-going Capital Works during 1977-78. In addition, several. New Major Works are also budgeted to be taken up during the 4273. tm ? Tifc : WT year. 5W13 *Tsft 1*1 Cases pending: before Dhanbad Indus­ Pp • trial Tribunal (^>) WTHXVTT Sit T9T ^ SvTW 4272. SHRI A. K. ROY : Will the if 335T S3>TT % sftaT * SprfV Minister of PARLIAMENTARY AF­ FAIRS AND LABOUR be pleased to state: ( ^ ) rft PH+I5H (a) the number of cases of the la­ bour pending before Dhanbad In­ % fat* ^>T WT ^T dustrial Tribunal; f*H K | ?

(b) the oldest case pending and average rate of disposal of the cases; fw w wt? t o («ft srta qs- s rm ) : (*p) *ftT (^). 3> ft- (c) whether despite large number tfiTzR:TW, 't.-'-ql of labour cases pending always, one Tribunal remains cut of function for sftr ^nrr q^rr % sfosrr %• wrwr, sft one reason or other; and 'Tjpt Ph+v5) «rT I, fsr^R h x t r (d) if so, what action Government . §T5T ?r if Tfa? propose to speed up the disposal of 700 srra z* ifeRlr the cases? % | i ffes-rc *TTsrT ir sfr^r, THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ awr, %'srwr, TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR ifk ^iTf^red (SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA) : (a) At present two Central Government In­ dustrial Tribunal-cum-Labour Courts T^r | i are functioning at Dhanbad and as on 30-6-77, 81 cases were pending with t t h t e w t %rmzpf each Tribunal-cum-Labour Court at ^ rf^ rrr| i Dhanbad. 'JTfRft ?TTT (b) The oldest case has been pend­ spp * ing since 1973 because of a stay order by the High Court. On an average 7 cases are being disposed of in a month 42 74. : WT W IO T by a Tribunal-cum-Labour Court. wtr <*><>«< i«i ^ f^rr (c) and (d). It is a fact that occa­ ftr j sionally one post of Presiding Officer remains vacant due to the formalities (*r) w r tPTw(- # involved in selecting a suitable person following transfer or reversion to the parent cadre of the existing incum­ IT =(<•!+'< 25 W T sj>T ferT I ; bent. But the cases pending with the Tribunal-cum-Labour Court having no (m) *[T, ?ft 8.33 ^rr Presiding Officer are distributed among ^ »fir srfe^ ^ % w t other functioning Tribunal-cum- *t<«t mitffiiw! sift *rr Labour Courts so tbat cases are not % unduly delayed. <>3 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 64

(*T) TOT W ^ spt Item No. 1 5^: 3 ^FT f2RR I ? Training and Utilisation of Practi­ tioners of Indian systems of Medicine ^TPH? hR^K VrZTTTT If5ft and Homoeopathy in Rural Health Scheme. («ft rm HTwm) : %r 1 The conference endorsed the pro­ (w)

ed for the guidance of the health Sciences should be established along- workers. Booklets on health educa­ with a Central University utilising the tion may also be provided. Adequate Tibbia College Campus for develop­ arrangements should be made for re­ ment of Indian Systems of Medicine, gular supply of prepared medicines Homoeopathy, Yoga and Naturopathy. and replenishment of the kit without delay. Pharmacies should be estab­ 3. Research efforts should be re­ lished under the public as well as oriented to ensure that Indian Sys­ cooperative sector to produce quality tems of Medicine, Homoeopathy, Yoga medicines at cheap prices. The tax­ and Naturopathy get their proper ation rates of raw materials used and place and full opportunity for deve­ the finished products of Indian Sys­ lopment according to their individual tems of Medicine and Homoeopathy doctrine. medicines should be reviewed and tax burden lessened or eliminated comple­ 4. Educational Institutions of tely to reduce their prices. Accesso­ Indian Systems of Medicine and Ho­ ries and other implements for treat­ moeopathy, Yoga and Naturopathy ment under Nature Cure and Yoga should be brought under the purview should be produced and distributed to of University Grants Commission so the Health Workers. that the scales of pay and the finan­ cial aid is made available to them. Item No. 3 State/Central Government should give adequate financial assistance, for the Utilisation of attached hospitals of development of under-graduate Insti­ collect es of Indian Si/stems of Medi­ tutions. cine and Homoeopathy for patients from, rural areas and contribution of 5. States which do not hav2 sepa­ teachers of such colleges in rural rate Directorates for Indian Systems health schemes. of Medicine or Homoeopathy should establish them on priority basis. There Primary Health Centres involved in should be separate budget provision rural health programme should have for these systems and these funds close liaison with the nearby colleges should' not be diverted to other heads. and hospitals of Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy in the State. These Colleges should also 6. Villagers should be made aware adopt certain numbe: of villages in of the importance of and be familiar the vicinity and organise mobile cli­ with the medicinal plants of their nics and impart practical training to region and should be encouraged to students in rural medical needs. These grow and develop herb gardens in Colleges mav also be utilised for the Panchayat Peripheral land and con­ training of the health worker. serve medicinal plants in forests and agricultural lands. Other recommendations: 7. Steps should be taken to expe­ 1. The States should be allowed dite compilation and publication of reasonable flexibility to develop the Official Pharmacopoeias in Indian rural health scheme to suit the local Systems of Medicine and establish condition^ and the facilities available. full-fledged laboratories for testing, standardisation of these drugs. 2. There should be a model Insti­ tute established in every St^te and 8. Sufficient funds should b6 pro­ the National Institutes already started vided by the Central/State Govern­ by the Centre should be developed ment for implementation of various expeditiously. An apex body of Na­ recommendations which should be tional Institute complex on the lines entrusted to the officers of the Indian of All India Institute of Medical Systems of Medicine. 167 Written Answers JULY 21, 1971 Written Answers 68

Man-days ldst during last six months trl; irt fen 4276. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: DR. HENRY AUSTIN ; 4 2 7 7 . : Will the Minister of PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR be pleased to state: TOT # 8 3 4 Wti tin vtft 3tTTn ¥V fJRT : (a) whether a large number cf man-days were lost during the last ( ) TOT ftr^TT <3’■y?fl ’H N Id six months; ^TFT % ^TFT fiTFnt fe n «tt ; sftr (b) if so, whether this is a record one; (jf) ^f^TOt^rfTTT?; Tp^T^.q- eilpKf (c) how many of them were in the Central or State sphere and how much ^Tt'SPTTT ?tT ill < T«T^T < in ihe public sectbr; ahd f^TTn % TOT # STTTff | ?

(d) what steps are being taken in irer *r*r u n ft ( this regard? *n1) : (*>) sftT («). ftrft srwR THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ M »rf ^ T T % W T TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR f% s m f w =nw'r | (SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA): (a) to (c). Complete statistics in regard to the number of mandays lost clue to if ssnwr jr t 5Fjs?*r ^ nf industrial disputes are still awaited 'TTS’zff «m <,>*1 «(«; sft 1 wTi^nnx from several State Governments; till 'srfwr ^ w i «ft g ht such reports are available, it is not 14 5 1 possible to reach any conclusion. fa?ft I fa % 92 srforf * ^FPTT ?K f ^ S?tT «|P4h< % However, a statement giving the ^Tftmf-51 ^ 31 break-up of available figures of man- *rf, 1976 spt ftnT jp3 days lost for the years 1974, 1975 and 1976 and 1977 (Jan. May) is laid on ?Nr 41 % 31 SrnTrT. 1976 the Table of the House. [Placed in ftT ftw ft ST5IR)f| % Library. See No. LT 782/77]. f :t fnrsmff if srfiwi *rt ff

(d) Wherever necessary, the Govern­ 5^f f w ’TUT 5rV 5T f r # ment is intervening in disputes with S*T Haftr jf W R R ^ ^ ff a view to promoting settlements. The Government are also proposing to sa^rrt^T f^ir i make changes in the law relating to Industrial relations, and for this pur­ Telephone Connections in Anklesh- pose has sfet up a tripartite Committee which is likely to submit its report war industrial Estate in Gujarat. . within a period of two months. The report of the Comirtj^tee will enable 4278. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: the Government to bring forward Ihe Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ necessary legislation o:i the subject. TIONS be pleased to state: ^>9 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

(a) the number of telephone con­ (a) whether pension scheme has nections operating in Ankleshwar In­ been introduced for the employees of dustrial Estate in Gujarat State; the All India Institute of Medical Sci­ ences; (b) the number of applications -still pending for connection; and (b) if so, whether while employees opting for pension have been allowed (c) the time by which these con­ the benefit of death-cum-retirement nections will be provided? gratuity, no such benefit of death-cum retirement gratuity is available to THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ the employees opting for the G.P.F. TIONS (SHRI BRU LAL VERMA): scheme of the All India Institute of (a) The number of telephone connec­ Medical Sciences; tions in Ankleshwar Industrial Estate as on 15-7-77 is 37 (Thirty seven). (c) the action Government propose (b) The number of applications still to take in this regard i.e. the extension pending as on 15-7-1977 is 19 (Nine­ of benefit of the death-cum-retire- teen). ment gratuity to the G.P.F. optees of the A.I..I.M.S.; and (c) These connections will be provi­ ded within four months. (d) the other educational institu­ tions of Delhi University having both Grant to Central Board for Workers Education the G.P.F.-cum-pension scheme as well as G.P.F.-cum-gratuity schemes, where benefits of death-cum-retire- 4279. SHRI P RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: ment gratuity have not been exten­ Will the Minister of PARLIAMEN­ ded to the employees opting for the TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR be respective G.P.F. schemes as made out pleased to state: by the University Grants Commis­ sion? (a) whether Central Board for Wor- "kers Education is training workers in the techniques of trade unionism; and THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI (b) whether any grant has been RAJ NARAIN): (a) to (c). The exist­ Siven to the above Board this year? ing Contributory Provident Fund Scheme operated by the All India In­ THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ stitute of Medical Sciences, New TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR Delhi, has been replaced by the Pen- (SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA): (a) sion-cum-Gratuity Scneme as appli­ Yes. cable to Central Government servants. There shall be only one s: heme name­ (b> A provision of Rs. 151.63 lakhs ly Pension-cum-Gratuity Scheme ob­ lias been made in the budget estima­ ligatory for aU fresh entrants. So far tes for 1977-78. Out of this, an amount as existing employees are concerned, of R*s. 71.25 lakhs has been released they have been given an option either ±o the Board as grant till now. to continue under the Contributory Provident Fund S-heme or to come Tension and G.P.F. facilities to the under the Pension-cum-Gratuity Employees of All India Institute of Scheme. However, employees opting Medical Sciences for C.P.F. Scheme are eligible for death gratuity in case if he' she dies 4280. SHRI JALAGAM KONDALA while in service. RAO: Wffl the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased (d) Necessary informalion is being ^ to state: collected. 71 Written Answers JULY 21, 197'r Written Answers 72

Functioning of Telephone Department Opening of Post Offices in Andhra in Karnataka Pradesh

4281. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Will 4282. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS REDDY: Will the Minister of COM­ be pleased to state: MUNICATIONS be pleased to state:

(a) whether Posts and Telegraphs (a) whether Government propose to Department in State of Karnataka is open more post offices in the villages not functioning well and the telephone of Andhra Pradesh during this year; department in particular; and

(b) if so, whether Government are (b) if so, the number of post offi­ considering to overhaul the depart­ ces to be opened during this year and ment for efficiency; time when all the villages will have post office each? (c) whether the letters posted are delivered very late and in certain THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ cases are not delivered at all; TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): (a) Yes, Sir. (d) whether complaints made (b) 155, during the current financial against them are not being properly year. There is no proposal at present responded and even they are not for­ to provide Post Offices to all the vil­ warded to the Central Department; lages of Andhra Pradesh. and Malanjkhand Copper Deposits (e) if so, whether Government are 4283. SHRI S. R. DAMANI: Will considering to get the reports from tne Minister of STEEL AND MINES each State on the complaints made be pleased to state: and action taken by the department? (a) the progress made on develop­ THE MINISTER OF COMMUN1CA- ing the Malanjkhand copper deposits TIONS (SHRI BRIT LAL VERM A). in Balaghat District vl Madhya P ra­ and (,bN/. "No, Six. The Posts and desh; and Telegraphs Department in general, (b) by what time commercial pro­ and the Telephone Department in duction will start and the details of particular in the State of Karnataka the phased programme drawn for the are functioning well. To maintain the purpose? efficiency, constant monitoring of the service performance is undei taken and THE MINISTER' OF STEEL AND corrective measures taken promptly, MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK'*; (a) The Government has accorded sanc­ (c) No, Sir. The arrangements for tion for the Malanjkhand Copper Pro­ delivery of letters are satisfactory. ject which envisages a production of 2 million tonnes of ore at full capa­ (d) and (e). All complaints are be­ city. The preparatory work which ing attended to promptly. Periodical includes development of infrartruo review of pending complaints is ture and ordering of equipment, con­ undertaken by the Heads of the Kar­ struction of residential accommoda­ nataka Postal and Telecommunication tion etc. has been initiated by Hindus­ Circles. tan Copper Limited. (b) The commercial production at The P&T Directorate, New Delhi Malanjkhand is scheduled to start in obtains periodical reports on the com­ the last quarter of 1981. The details plaints work in each circle and carri­ of the phased programme for the exe­ es out systematic review. cution of the project are as below; 73 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

(1) Completion of mine pre-construction work By October, 1978. (2) Mine construction and erection of matching 3 years a.fter the completion of the pre- Conc^ntntor of one million tonnes capacity piratory period i.e. by September, 1981.

(3) Expan .ion of nvne and concentrator capa- By September, 1983. city to 2 million tonnes/annum.

^T$R; ^TTWR 175 it *fR 125 *T*rOct H ^ *TR fr 1

*>i*\ ftr . (^r) tfR (»r). ^pRTcl ^RSFR (^7) ZU** %^T ^to ^ o iiU w ^T%^r, s r r: x H ^ if ^fVZfT^^T if q^nTT TTT5? *lf gtr «r I %yt ^ntJrra^ff ^r ^ r ^ t | fT rft ^T% ^TT S; f^rfe^rr q f r ^ ^ ft^ R ftm | <\t ^ 197 7-7 8 ^ ^ fT 185 (^ ) ^tt v fa m °rr^T3n tt $ "Tf q 1 *ft£' w f«rr? % marram ^rrw ^ ht, «tt P?>*r ?r sftr Target for opening post offices/sub- *ftr POst Offices in Bihar

(*r) $ %^T fR+R # 4285. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD cRTT | fa>5 ^TFT VERMA: Will the Minister of COM­ MUNICATIONS be pleased to state: | ? (a) whether target fixed for open­ irfrwrr (sft ing of new Post Offices and sub-Post TTS[ 4KKOT) * (^ ) ^TR^T fcfV^T tTt- Offices in Bihar for the year 1976-77 has been achieved; and W ^rtfirftR?fTO?T | ^ft ^ srfWRT (b) if not, the reasons therefor? ^r$Rf % STTCTT ^pv *n?ft f> I THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ =mH4, ?T^h<5I«K FPTT ^T° TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): cfto *&** ^T$T3T, ^TT*^FR *T faTSF] (a) No such target was fixed. f,^ r % (b) Does not arise. % srraR

(a) whether Government are aware THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND that cycle allowance granted to Post­ MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a>‘ men is far from minimum to meet Yes, Sir. the requirement; (b) The names and addresses of (b) whether Government propose handling and storage agents appointed to increase the cycle allowance; and by HSL are given in the enclosed Statement. In appointing these agents (c) if so, to what extent? the following general criteria have been taken into consideration: — THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): (a) (1 ) Reputation of the party. The grant of cycle allowance is govern­ ed by the general orders issued by the (2) Financial standing of the Government which are applicable to party. all Central Government employees. (3) Business dealings of the party There are no separate orders for the with HSL. Postman cadre in the P & T Depart­ ment and they are getting Rs. 6 P.M. (4) Its experience and resource­ as Cycle allowance as applicable to' fulness. other Central Government employees. (5) Availability of equipment like The present allowance is not consider­ weighing bridges, cranes etc. ed inadequate. (6) Suitability of land, facility of (b) and (c). There is no such pro­ railway siding and road trans­ posal. port. (7) Security in the shape of de- Private Agencies appointed by SAIL for posit/Guarantee, etc. sale of Iron. (8) Remuneration demanded by the party. 4287. DR BALDEV PRAKASH: Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES (c) Yes, Sir. be pleased to state: v

(a) whether SAIL has appointed (d) This complaint about Batala is under examination. private agencies for the distribution and sale of iron to consumers and have opened iron dockyards for this (e) The agent at Balala was appoint­ purpose; ed in November, 1974. Remuneration paid to him since inception is furnish­ (b) if so, the names and number ed below year-wise:— of such agencies throughout the country; and the criteria in appoint­ ing these agencies; Period Quantity Remuneration^ delivered pad (c) whether Government received any representation against the agency Tonnes Rs. running iron dump at Batala, Punjab; 1974-75 11,188 3,63,136-84 (d) whether political persons were 43>623 , , benefited by the previous Govern­ 1975-76 16 32 272.66 ment in giving these agencies; and 1976-77 62,342 9,62,286-35 1977-78 17,528 3,82,I93-04 (e) the amount earned by the (upto June *77) agency at Batala upto date year-wise since its inception? 77 V/ritten Answers ASADHA 30, 189>9 ( SAKA) Written Answers 78

Statement 15. M/s. Crescent Enterprise, Kurla, Bombay. CALCUTTA ZONE. 16. M/s. Gupta Tubes and Pipes Calcutta (P) Ltd., M. Vasenji Road, Bombay. 1. M/s. Aditya Iron and Steel Co.. Santoshpur, Calcutta. 17. M/s. Shah Iron and Steel Co., Bombay. 2. M/s. Mahindra and Mahindra (P) Ltd., K. P. Docks, Pahar- 18. M/s. Amrit Steel Ltd., Thana. pur, Calcutta. 19. M s. Rathi Ministeel Ltd., 3. M/s. Tata Scob Dealer’s Associa­ Thana. tion, Shibpurchar, Shalimar, 20. M/s. P. V Sharoff, Pune Goods Howrah. Yards. Pune. 4. M/s. Feroze Sons. Shibpurchar, Ahmedabad Shalimar, Howrah. 21. M/s. GSSIC. Shed No. A /5 /6 5. M/s. T. D. Kumar and Bros.. Gorwa Indl. Estate. Baroda. Shibpurchar. Shalimar. How­ rah. NORTHERN ZONE 6. M/s. Pig Iron Supplying Syndi­ Ghaziabad cate (P) Ltd.. Shalimar. How­ rah. 22. M/s. Amrit Steel Ltd., Amrit Nagar, Ghaziabad, Agra. 7. M/s. Soorajmall Baijnath, Shali­ mar. Howrah. 23. M/s. UPSIC Ltd., Hathras R o a d , Agra-6. Gauhat’ Jaipur 8. M/s. Ashok Industries. Tinsukia. 24. M/s. Rajasthan SIC Ltd., Kota. NORTH CENTRAL ZONE NORTH-WEST ZONE Kanpur Jullundur 9. M/s. Singh Engineering Works. 25. M/s. Punjab Steel Corpn., Bata- Kanpur. la. 10. M/s. U. P. Small Industries 26. Punjab SIC Ltd., Focal Point, Corpn. Ltd.. Kanpur. Dhandarv Kalan, Industrial Area ‘B’ Ludhiana. Bhilai 27. M/s. Mahawar Steel Trading 11. M/s. Mssidc Near Shakti Offset, Co., Mandi Gobindgarh. Wardha Road. Nagpur. 28. M/s. Punjab SIC Ltd., Mandi WESTERN ZONE Gobindgarh.

Bombay Srinagar 12. M/s. MSSIDC, Managanese Ore 29. M/s. Kashmir Rolling Mills, Depot, BPT Rly., Bombay. Canal Road, Shakti Nagar Jammu. 13. M/s. Mathani Handling and Transport Co; Nathani Steel SOUTHERN ZONE Yard B$g., Bombay. Madras 14. M/s. Vfestesp Mipi&tepl Yar&, 30. &|/s, India Co., (P) Ltd., Koruk- Muland, Bombay. kupet, Madras. 79 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 80

Secunderabad (a) whether India made a non­ 31. M/s. Ravi Machineries, Lakhmi committal statement at the Law of the Sea Conference on 24th June, Nagar Vijayawada-II. 1977 to review a Bangladesh proposal Bangalore for delimiting its ‘baseline* on the northern part of the Bay of Bengal 32. M/s. R. Kuppuswamy, Banga­ on a liberal basis; lore. 33. M/s. Vithal Balwant Hirward- (b) whether Bangladesh also lined har, Raviwarpeth, Belgam-2. up Islamic States to support its pro­ posal at the discussion of the Com­ Coimbatore mittee dealing with Territorial Sea issues; and 34. M/s. India Co., Ltd., Tiruchira- paili. (c) if so, the reaction of Indian Total number of Consignment Government thereon? Agents-34. THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJ­ Aid to Lesotho PAYEE): (a) to (c). On 23rd June, 1977, the Indian delegate to the Law 4288. SHRI P. K. KODIYAN: Will of the Sea Conference made a state­ the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS ment on the proposal made by Bangla­ be pleased to state: desh to draw ' straight baselines in special circumstances joining points at (a) whether the U. N. Security sea near their coast. In his statement, Council had unanimously recom­ the Indian delegate stated that no such mended to member countries to pro­ baselines should be drawn in demar­ vide $ 100.8 million aid to Lesotho cating the maritime boundaries and in to enable it to withstand any pres­ measuring the zones of national juris- sure from South Africa to recognise dication such as the territorial sea, the the independence of Transkei, a South exclusive economic zone and the conti­ African created ethnic area; and nental shelf. Several countries in­ cluding some Muslim States spoke in favour of the Bangladesh proposal. (b) if so, what assistance India has provided in this respect? Expansion of Ballabgarh Telephone THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL Exchange AFFAIRS (SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJ- PAYYEE;: (a) Yes, Sir. But the figure 4290. SHRI DHARAM VIR VASISHT: is $ 113 million. Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ TIONS be pleased to state: (b) We announced as our contribu­ tion a sum of Rs. 1 million in form of (a) the steps taken to expand the commodity and services from India to Ballabgarh telephone exchange this special fund at the Commonwealth under Delhi District; and Prime Ministers’ Conference in London in June, 1977. (b) whether the Government has under consideration the consolidation Territorial Sea of Ballabgarh, Badarpur and Farida- bad Telephone Exchanges into one 4289. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the Exchange system; if so, the dead line Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be for the same together with the prog­ pleased to state: ress made so far? 81 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ causes of and circumstances attending TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): (a) the accident that occurred in Chasnala Plans are in hand to replace the pre­ Colliery on 27th December, 1975, of any sent 500 lines exchange at Ballabgarh waiver of any important provisions of by a 1500 line main automatic ex­ the Regulations having been made by change. Land for construction of the the officers of the Directorate General building for the new exchange has of Mines Safety in the area where the been taken over in April, 1977. Build­ accident took place. ing plans are being drawn up. Auto exchange equipment is also being arranged to be supplied to match with (b) Does not arise. the progress of construction of the building. (c) The Court of Inquiry did not hold any officials of the Directorate (b) No, Sir. General of Mines Safety responsible for negligence or for not having know­ ledge of the extensions of the old water Waiving: off Regulations at Chasnala logged working. Colliery which caused accident (d) The Court of Inquiry has observ­ 4291. SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD ed that the accident in Chasnala Col­ YADAV: Will the Minister of PARLIA­ liery on 27th December, 197o must be MENTARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR considered to have occurred due to the be pleased to state: carelessness of some of the officers of the mine management. (a) whether it is true that Direc­ torate General of Mines’ Safety had, Aluminium Industry hit by Power cut on the basis of the enquiry report filed for Chasnala accident occurred 4292. SHRI K. A. RAJAN: Will the on 27th December, 1975, waived cer­ Minister of STEEL AND MINES be tain important provisions of Regula­ pleased to state: tions in the area where accident took place without any request from the management; (a) whether the Aluminium fac­ tories have been badly hit by the (b) if so, what action has been drastic power cut during recent taken against those who waived off months; the important provisions of the Safety Regulations; (b) if so, the extent of the power cut in major industries and the ex­ (c) whether the officials of the pected production loss thereby; and management of Directorate General of Mines’ Safety had any knowledge (c) the immediate measures being or were they negligent in not having taken to ensure the power supply to the proper knowledge of the exten­ these units? sion of old water logged working which caused the accident; and THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND (d) how did such a situation arise? MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) Yes. Sir. THE MINISTER OF PRLIAMEN- TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR (SHRI (b) The maximum power cuts im­ RAVINDRA VARMA): (a) There is no posed by the State Electricity Boards mention, in the Report of the Court of on aluminium smelters in recent months Inquiry appointed to enquire into the are as indicated below: 83 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 84

Locution of Smelter Percentage of power cut on power actually sanctioned

(i) 3 ngiucn (Karnataka) . 50% (ii) Renukoot (U.P.) . 90% (iii) Mettur Tamil Nadu 50%

As a result of these cuts, the loss of (b) if so, detailed rates prevalent aluminium production during April— in different States; June, 1977 was about 6,000 tonnes. (c) the reason for such a large (c) Government have taken up the variation in the rates paid; and matter (regarding increasing of power availability for aluminium production) (d) whether various malpractices with the concerned State Governments/ in Blood Transfusion Centres l^iye Electricity Boards.* come to the notice of the Govern­ ment and the action taken to ensure Retention Price of Steel fair deal to blood donors?

4293. SHRI D. D. DESAI: Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND pleased to state: FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ NARAIN); (a) to (d).The information (a) whether there is any proposal is being collected and will be laid on to revise the retention price for steel; the Table of the Sabha. (b) if so, facts thereof; and (q) the parties that have demanded Kudremukh Iron Ore Project a higher steel retention price? 4295. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) MINES be pleased to state: Yes. Sir. (a) whether the erstwhile Govern­ (b) The retention price for steel does ment gave the Canadian firm Met- not affect the selling price. The re­ tention price is calculated, taking into Cham the entire contract for cons­ account the cost of production, fair truction in Kudremukh Iron Ore return on investment etc. The diffe­ Project in contravention of the pro­ rence between selling and retention posal put forward by the experts prices is funded plant-wise and can be that two separate contracts with two withdrawn by the plant concerned for different firms one for engineering utilisation on capital schemes. the Mining Complex and the other for laying the pipe line should be (c) All the main steel plants have given; been asking for higher retention price. (b) if so, the facts thereof and Payment to Blood Donors reasons therefor; 4294. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY (c) whether the US firm, Betchel WELFARE 6e pleased to state: is assisting the Canadian firm in this construction; and (a) whether there is a large va­ riation in the rates paid to the bloo4 (d) if so, the details of the teem donors per 300 cc bottle; of agreement? 8 5. Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers 8&

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) and (b). There was no proposal at any HWTjpFTT sfafrT spT 5?nT5!T N r stage to separate the pipeline from the fa ^ T T t ; Mine Complex and to award separate contracts for these works. Originally, the thinking was in terms of having a (w) ft, ?ft spsr ^ [ft \ Mining Associate for preparing mine 3fmT sflr ssrJf faq--faq- % srfa- plans, drawing up the basic process f¥ W r irfafafsRw ; flow-sheet, selecting mining equipment etc., and a separate Engineer Construc­ tor for the design engineering and ( *T) tmi a i < d^fl’+Tli % construction work. Bids were invited accordingly. Canadian Met-Chem had inter alia quoted for both the services. tiW rl 9*TT9 fiT sft fa^TT After careful consideration of the offers received and detailed discussions with (*r) jrf? ft, T ? t | I ^ 9ft5T f t (d) The slurry pipeline is an integral ’ lifeT ? t StTCTlft I part of the project and its engineering and construction is within the scope (n) 5ft ?(ff I of work of Canadian Met-Chem. In accordance with the arrangement stipu­ lated in the Letter of Intent, Met-Chem (^") 5T"?*T f t H

(q>) W T WT3TT. f a * n r JTT^f t W T ^Pidi ^t 3>T t i 4296. ’'OdH : (^0 ^ actwuej) szftrr fa : w r I ? *7 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 88

(^ ) STrZRi 100 («ft rra * m * i) : (^) *rk (^). % far* i.6i | i t %Prp?r Jpr%5ft % m m % n^ft Vrqfirfr f w i rft?T % »TT*T ^ 5TT=rm ^TH % tTsp 5t?OT TT fa^TC ?ftT rray: i fajJT 3TT TfT | I H x tft, TT^ *ft*PTT Splitting up Primary Health centres % SPrPfo % fafavl W if if in Maharashtra ’T^ft Tf^ft 4300. SHRI S. H. NAIK: Will the W^TSTW ^l4 fi I Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: Proposal for shifting Sub-Post Office from Kiri Burn (a) whether there is any proposal pending with the Health Department in respect of splitting the primary 4298. SHRI GOVINDA MUNDA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ health centres into two in each block TIONS be pleased tc state: of the Panchayat Samiti in Maha­ rashtra; V (a) whether there is any proposal under consideration of the Govern­ (b) the steps taken to sanction it ment to move the Sub-post Office so far; and from Kiriburu to some other place; and (c) by what time it will be ap­ (b) if so, the reasons therefor? proved?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ (a) No, Sir. NARAIN): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not ar'se. (b) and (c). Does not arise.

5|%5T 3 ITO Closure of Bidi Units

4301. SHRI BALASHEB VIKHE 4299. sft TCtrosft :TOT TTcft PATIL: WiU the Minister of PARLIA­ ^ stdR f^TT f^F * MENTARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR be pleased to state:

xtfc (a) whether some bidi units have been closed on account of levy of excise duty on it; and (W) if ^ T O 5T#F 100 |T t

^ U*t\ % ?TPT THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ WT | ? TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR (SHRI RAVINDRA BARMA): (a) No ins­ tance has come to the notice of the #tTR WZt («ft 9HWR 5*rf) : Government. (*T?) 7090 1 (b) Does not arise. 89 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers

q roft $ SW * t) v m R % srrarr >tt ftv?r- * iw ft Jf srpt ^r st^p W n h ^ rrt spr sftfa?JT ^ r ^ tt | i

4302. sft T O W ^TT *T^t ^ W fiTT Extra-Departmental Post Offices in: West Bengal f^>_ I

4303. SHRI GADADHAR SAHA: (^ ) TOT f ^ R TT^T % W T ^ f Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ f ¥ r v SFTr-cTTT f^TPT f^Tr- TIONS be pleased to state: 3H^r vm^nr ^ | ^nrwr (a) the number of extra-depart­ % +H-qifWf ^IhCI 't.Ni mental Post Office in rural areas in ftm West Bengal, district-wise; (b) the number of extra-depart­ ( ^ ) tot ^'*Trn-trj^fT-^HrfiqT mental branch Post Offices upgraded to departmental Post Offices; and IJ3> ift fa^TT «TT 'TTr^ ?T5FT-5r?rJr ftrar ^ tt fe rr *tct | ; (c) the condition of up-gradation from Extra-Departmental to Depart­ 5T^ ft> rs4^'J|»l

jt tot h k t ( ) * + ^ fa^rc *TU- THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ spft if + in k< t 'eftew ^t TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): ^ f, eft ^

Statement

Statement showing the number of extra­ (*ft Tf*f 5TrTRT«r) : (^r) *n?TTJo. of Extra­ ftr fim-^TR OTHT *TT TfT | I departmental W cT^T *T*ft q*T ^ W %(T ^rr^ Post Offices ^ ^crnrr ^ | ftr ^ f%=r^ % m r * 5 ^ % Jr 11 I. Burdwan 5ii (sr) srnr^r wrr* ^ 2. Birbhum 325 irferaT 3 cq*r r ^srat I i Mode of selection for admission in 7- Howrah . 223 Medical institutions 8. Jnlpa;guri 202 4305. SHRI VENUGOPAL GOUN- 9 - Malda 210 DER: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased . 10 Midnapur 977 to state: i i . Murstrdabed . 407 (a) the mode of selection of stu­ 12. Nad;a 282 dents for admission to the institutions such as JIPMER, AIIMS, Post Gra­ T3- Purulia . 264 duate Institute, Chandigarh etc.; 14. West Dinajpur 235 (b) the extent of reservations of seats for candidates hailing from the I 5- 24 Pqfgiu 806 States in which the Institutes are T o t a l 5341 located; (c) the number of seats reserved for students from most backward classes; 4304. Tm j$r*r?T : (d) the extent of participation of the staff of this Institute concerned qfrsrrr in conducting the examination such f»*TT f% : as paper setting, valuation and other assessments; and (e) whether the authorities publish (^) srrw f^F% % ^tft in this case the names of all success­ ful candidates, the number of marks got by them in University, written % T O if

Statement

PbrtAic^etTy A.1 .1. M.S., New Delhi Post-graduate institute, Chandigarh

(a) Admission is me de entirely (a) Admission is nude on the (a) All the Selecticns to on the basis of merit in the basis of merit by hold ng Post-grc duate courses are entrance examination which competitive entrance exa­ made on merit on All-India is conducted on All-India mination; basis. (There is no MBBS basis; course in PGI). (fe) & (c). Out of '65 seats for (b) No seats are reserved for (b) There is no reservation of MBBS 15 sevts are reserved any State or Union Territory seats for candidates hail- for State candidates as under: including Delhi in which ing from the States in the AIIM S is located; which the Institute is located; Pondicherry open Genl. 11 P6mTcherry open S.C. 3 Pond; cherry open S.T. 1 (c) For admission to MBBS (c) No seats are reserved for Course 20% of the total students from backward seats are reserved for SC/ classes. Reservation is, ST candidates. however, made for candi­ dates belonging to SC/ST. For admission to Post-gra­ duate courses, 25% of the total sears are reserved for those who have served in the rural areas for more than 2 years; medical gra­ duates from backward areas, SCi ST candidates and those who are workinjg under Family Welfare pro­ gramme; (d') The Institute has no part (d) For admission to MBBS (d) The staff is involved in the in oaper setting, valuation course?, the paper setting conduct of examination and and assessment. and valuations is done by assessment of the candi­ teachers from other Univer­ dates. sities in India. A> regards admission to Post­ graduate courses, paper set­ ting, valuation and c’inical assessment is done by facul­ ty Members of the respec­ tive Departments. After the assessment by the facul­ ty, the cand:^ates are finally interviewed by the Selection Committee .consisting of Director, Dean, a represen­ tative from the Dte. G.H.S., Head of the respective De­ partment and one senior faculty member from the allied specialities.

(e) Tfie mirks obtained by the (e) The Institute does not (e) The marks obtained by candidates are not published publish or notify either to all candidates, who ase blit a list of selected candi­ the successful Cand'dates successful or otherwise in dates is displayed on the of others, the number of the written and practical/ notice board and the selected marks obtained by them in clinical ex?minaticnr ?re candidates are informed im­ written viva-voce test. displayed on the Notice mediately. Board. 9 5 Written Answers JULY 21, 19Y7 Written Answers 96 Tel ephone connections to subscribers New centres for vocational training of Chapakhrowa- Sadia 4307. SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA 4306. SHRI K. B. CHETTRI: Will the S. DEO: Will the Minister of PARLIA­ Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state MENTARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR be pleased to state: (a) whether a large number of tele­ phone subscribers of chapakhrowa- (a) whether Government propose Sadia under D.E.T., Dibrugarh, Assam to open new centres for vocational have deposited their money long back; training during 1977-78;

(b) if so, whether they have been (b) if so, the number of proposed provided with telephone connections; vocational training centres and where they are to be located; and (c) if not, the reasons for delay; and (c) the number of trainees to whom the vocational training would be (d) by when, the Government pro­ pose to provide the connections? imparted?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR (a) No, Sir. Only two applicants have (SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA): (a) to paid advanced deposits so far out of (c). The responsibility of opening cen­ the 25 prospective subscriber:*. tres for Vocational Training now rests with the State Governments/Union' (b) to (d). The connections can be Territories concerned. The State provided only when a telephone ex­ Directors dealing with the Craftsmen change is opened at the place which Training Scheme were, however, in turn depends on registration of ade­ addressed and the information as made quate demand to make the project available by them is given in the state­ ecenomically. viable ment enclosed.

Statement

S. Name of State/ Whether No. of Centres propo .ed to No. of N.i. U r on Territory Govt. be opened and where to be trainees to propose located. whom to open vocational new Training Centres would be during imparted. 1977-78

I 2 3 4 5

i Andhra Pradesh . No — — 2 Assam . Yes One at Dhemaji under T rb al 156 Sub-Plan. 3 Bihar . No — — 4 Gujarat . . Yes One at Ahwa (Distt. Dang>) 76 5 Haryana . . No — — 6 Himachal Pradesh . No — — 9 7 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 98

I 2 3 4 5

7 Jammu & Kashmir . N o. — _

8 Karnataka . Yes One at Lingasugar 32 (Raichur District).

9 Kerala . Yes 2 One at Kattappana (Idukki) 120 and one for women at and Trivandrum. 144 i? Mihirashtra . Yes 4 Tribal Areas Shahrda (Dhule) Ambegaon (Pune) Gadchiroli (Chandrapur) and 100 at at Kinwatt (Nanded Distt.) each Centre 11 Madhya Pradesh . Yes One I.T .I. for women at Bhopal 80

12 Manipur . Yes Two (a) at Nungba (West 24 Dist.) (b) At Henglep (South Distt.).

13 Meghalaya . No — —

14 Nagaland . No — — 15 Orissa . No — — 16 Punjab . No — — 17 Rajasthan . No — — 18 Tamil Nadu . No — — 19 Tripura* . . Yes — — 20 Uttar Pradesh . Yes One at Unnao 120 One already sanctioned to start at Ghaziabad in 1977 148

21 West Bengal . No — — 22 Arunachal Pradesh . Yes Eight. At Pangin and Tezu Pasighat in Siarg Dist. Roing and Tezu in Lohit Distt., Itanagar and Nacho in Subansiri Distt. Dadam and Mopakhat in Tirap Distt. 5 6 23 Andaman Nicobar* . 24 Chandigarh . No — — 25 Dadar Nagar Haveli* 26 Delhi . Yes Two (1) Khichri Pur (Trilok 192 Pur) (2) Nandnagri 192

27 Goa Daman Dhi . No — — 28 Laksha Deep* 29 Mizoram . . No — — 30 Pondicherry . No — —

••Information not received. Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 100

Hunger strike by apprentices at ment of Maharashtra the management Rokaro Steel Ltd. had given notice of lock-out from July 18, 1977 following agitation and aleged 4308. DR. RAMJI SINGH: Will the obstruction of trucks carrying raw- Minister of STEEL AND MINES be mat erials by the workers. The main pleased to state whether there was a disputed issue relates, it is reported, mass hunger strike by about lour to the absorption of temporary wor­ hundred apprentices at Bokaro Steel kers on permanent basis. The State Limited, Bokaro, from 4th July, 1977? Industrial Relations Machinery are looking into the matter and have al­ THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND ready held several discussions with MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): In the parties in an effort to resolve the pursuance of their ' demands, the matter. apprentices, engaged under the Apprentices Act at Bokaro Steel Limi­ Steel plants encouraging small -scale ted, Bokaro started a relay fast from industries the 4th June, 1977. From 5th July, 1977. five of these Act Apprentices started an indefinite fast. As a result 4310. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDA- of discussions held betweesi the RAM: Will the Minister of STEEL management of Bokaro Steel Ltd. and AND MINES be pleased to state: representatives of the apprentices, an accord was arrived at on 10th July, (a) the precise part played by 1977. The apprentices have since Steel Plants for 'encouraging small withdrawn their agitation arid called scale industries; off the hunger strike. (b) the number of small scale in­ dustries that have grown round each Lock-out by Pfizer Limited (Bombay) Plant, the categories of their produc­ tion and the value of annual produc­ 4309. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: tion; DR. VASANT KUMAR PANDIT: (c) the role proposed for the Steel Plants including old and those pro­ Will the Minister of PARLIAMEN­ posed to be set up for the projected TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR be expansion of small scale industries; pleased to state: and (a) whether Pfizer Limited (Bom­ (d) the salient features of the bay) has decided to lock-out its fac­ plants in this regard? tory at Thana-Belapur Road (Bom­ bay) on and from 18th July, 1977; THE MINISTER OF STELL AND (b) if so, the major points of dis­ MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a), pute between the management and (c) and (d). The managements of the labour; and Steel Plants provide enicouragement to small scale industries in a variety (c) what efforts have been made of ways such as by placing orders on or proposed to be made by Govern­ them for items which can be manu­ ment to avert the lock-out? factured by them, providing technical know-how and guidance, arranging THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ or helping in procurement of raw TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR materials, providing testing and labo­ (SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA): (a) to ratory facilities, carrying out a regular (c). The matter falls essentially in the review and earmarking of items which State sphere. According to the infor­ can be off-loaded to the small scale mation made available by the Govern­ units etc toi Written Answers ASADHA 30/1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 10*

It is proposed to continue this policy iftr and to extend full cooperation to the State Governments and other agencies Tin htcw

Mineral exploration 0f Satpura 4313. SHRI PUNDALIK HARI Ranges DANWE: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE 4311. SHRI VtfAY KUMAR PATIL: ^be pleased to state: Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have re­ ceived a written representation dated 7th May, 1977 from Patients Relief (a) whether any survey had ever Association, Sholapur in regard been made in the past for mineral grant-in-aid for short-wave Dia­ exploration in the Satpura ranges thermy unit; and (Satpura Hills Maharashtra); and (b) if so, what action has the Gov­ (b) if not, whether Government ernment taken or propose to take and propose to undertake the survey in when? near future? THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) NARAIN): (a) Yes, Sir. Yes, Sir. Geological Surveys in Sat­ pura ranges covering parts of Dhule, (b) The institution was advised by Jalgaon and Amravati districts of the Ministry on 15th June, 1977 to Maharashtra have been carried out send their application for grant-in-aid by the Directorate of Geology and through the State Government. This Mining Government of Maharashtra has not been received as yet. and Geological Survey of India. Telegraph/Public Offices Facilities ia (b) Qestion does not arise. Ratnagiri Distt., Maharashtra

sik sfoi * far 4314. SHRI BAPUSAHEB PARULE- ^ g y r o KAR: Will the Minister of COM­ MUNICATIONS be pleased to state: 4312. «ft P m : w r (a) whether Government propose w w sift to start telegraph or public call cTdrt f^TT ^ w r offices in villages in Ratnagiri Dis­ trict in Maharashtra where no medi­ 5J%9T ^rKI <1 % ^ cal facilities are available within a radius of ten miles of those villages; m m ^rr Tfr | ^ | ^rff% and snnft tt w w tpr ^ 5# (b) if so, when? ^trt^ t ft ^ r r «rr sflr qftr ft, *rt THE . MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ f^r ^ tt TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERM A >: ^rr | ? (a) No, Sir. 103 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 104

(b) Does not arise. Wing has in possession 719 idendjfied herbarium sheets covering 101 Amendment to Prevention of Food families. Adulteration Act (c) No. 4315. SHR‘1 BAPUSAHEBPARULE-1 K AR; Will the Minister of HEALTH (d) Does not arise. AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: JpTCTrf % sift 3icTT (a) whether Government propose to make any amendments to the Prevention of Food Adulteration Act; and 4317. *77o xfterTt : W ti-qK ^ SRTT?T ^ f^TT (b) if so, the salient features thereof? % .j

THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND ( ^ ) qRTT ^ f% W T R f FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ ^ ^ I sfhc NARAIN): (a) No, Sir. ^*1 10 ^rrar ^7^ |r (b) Does not arise. to «TRTT % ^TT^T *1^1 'jfl-s 1 Availability of Medicinal Herbs in Himachal Pradesh I;

4316. SHRI DURGA CHAND: Will (*§r) w t w srfas w ft ^ the Minister of HEALTH AND & Otvc FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: sft vfrdiiT ?

(a) whether Government have («ft TO ^TR *nrf) : conducted any survey regarding (^ ) ^ ) l sftr availability of medicinal herbs in Himachal Pradesh; % aFl^ ^Tly 1 ^ f e p m , TT^TFTT, T FR y: *ftT (to) if so, the details thereof; ?5rrar ft e % & f m i i ^TRfr | 1 (c) whether it is proposed to set up factories in Himachal Pradesh for (^ ) STcTT ^ making use of these herbs; and % « w sfi * f t *\i | sftr ^ (d) if so, the details thereof? tftHT tfi+d ^ *TT% % 3TC THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND sftr ^rtt % srnr Tte FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ % *TPT % WUi smnft I NARAIN): (a) and (b). The Survey of Medicinal Plants Wing in the Regional Research Centre at Jogindemagar, % HP* under the Central Council for Research in Indian Medicine and Homoeopathy has conducted the rr edico-botanical exploration of forest areas of Kangra, 4 3 1 8 . ^n f WKo : Una, Hamirpur, Kulu, Churah, Mandi, TOT TOTT ^ ~Dalhausit Simla, Upper Kulu, Lahaul Spiti, Nahan, Pangi and Sukhet. This far:’ 105 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers io 6

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(^ ) ^tt^ t inft («ft ^ ^tth : ^ t ^flsfl H-^Ft^r ^ T ?t 3ftf% ^T (^ ) ^ tt w - f | f t ^ r ^ ilw K t ? ^ ^ferfef TT^TJT ^TR I w h 4,-< ^ | i T m ^ ?ftr ^t^ st («ft 33THTST **rf) : % f e f f m ( ^ ) TT^FTJT ^RTT TOTT^ff (T+a^^ % tr % & ft^ r snfr | i zrft % sftsft 3frt oET^Tl ^Tff ^T^T ^ +1^ ^l^fl ^ ^ft C'fi °FT^T | I ^RTT *T ^ qto ^fto ?fto | | ^T ft ^=t)dl I I ^T^ft ^f ffaT | ^ft **HF «r>T <°l *Tf ^ *fMI 3ff («r) * ft i ^ ^ |ft fa tfteft ^PTf^nr ^rr gq^sBr ?T$r | i 40 f+^T)Hld< I I WTcftr 5ft ^Rp5FT srwt a;^r ^ jhrir (^f) Ptxi^H ^T ^t*TT ^Tpft % 11 ^nPr, ft ^n^ft % ^ Wft ^Rf¥r ^ ^ ^r ^fttft vfTfr^ «Ftf 5T^TR ?Tft I I ^T% sffa ^ * »rf | i f^TcFIT

4320. SHRI S. G. MURUGAIYAN: Will the Minister of STEEL AND ^MTTtf *f sftr % tffaf MINES be pleased to state: affaft Evfh^TT ^7f«T (a) production with average grade month-wise of Khetri mines of Khetri 4319. «ft HTf tfTTo sfcrft : Copper Complex from January, 1975 onwards; ^ tt ^Ntr *rat *if «fdrt 3?t f>i*i % W*1 1975 onwards at Khetri Copper Com­ q?tft |; plex; 107 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers

(d) production of Electrolytic cop­ specific penalty to that effect is imposed per month-wise from January, 1975 on an officer. onwards; and (c) Four officers of Khetri Copper Complex of the Company have already ie) production of Sulphuric Acid been punished on the basis of C.B.I. and S.S.P. at T.S.P. month-wise from reports received after completion of January, 1975 onwards in Fertiliser investigations and departmental action plant of Khetri Copper Complex? is in progress aganst another eleven officers. THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) (d) Number of officers of Khetri to (e). The requisite information is Copper Complex, promoted during given in Annexures I, II & III 1974 to 1976, is as follows:— laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-783/ 1974 26 77]. 1975 37 1976 46 Pending C.BJ. investigations against Khetri Copper Complex Officers (e) Number of workmen of Khetri Copper Complex, promoted during 1974 to 1976, is as follows:— 4321. SHRI S. G. MURUGAIYAN: Will the Minister of STEEL AND 1974 223 MINES be pleased to state*. 1975 178 (a) number of officers of Khetri Copper Complex against whom the 1976 181 C.B.I. investigations are pending;

(b) number of officers given incre­ ments at Khetri Copper Complex Ore production in Kolihan Coppei pending investigations by C.B.I.; Mines

(c) number of officers punished 4322. SHRI S. G. MURUGAIYAN: after C.B.I. reports; Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state: (d) number of officers given pro­ motions in the years 1974, 1975 and (a) ore production with average 1976 at Khetri Copper Complex; and grade at Kolihan Copper Mines, month-wise, from January, 1975 on­ wards; (e) number of workmen got pro­ motions in the years 1974, 1975 and (b) ore transportation with average 1976 at Khetri Copper Complex? grade through aerial ropeway, month- wise, from January, 1975 onwards; and THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) (c) ore stockpile at Kolihan Cop­ No case is pending investigation in the per mines? C.B.I., as of today, against any officer of Khetri Copper Complex of Hindustan THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND Copper Limited. MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) and (b). The requisite information in (b) The Company has given incre­ respect of Kolihan Copper Mines is ments to Officers pending investigations given in the attached statement. by C.B.I. as, according to its Rules, an increment is not with-held unless a (c) 1,08,243 tonnes as on 30.6.1977. 109 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers

Statement

Unit : Tonnes

Month Ore Grade Transporta­ Grade Production %Cu. tion by %Cu. Aerial Ropeway

January, 1975 . 20,568 1*20 27,366 1*26 February • 22,521 1-78 23,160 1-76 March .... • 24.597 2*08 34,395 1-97

April 27,170 1*71 33,58o 1*53 May 25,239 i -10 27,578 1*07 June .... • 20,445 o*99 25,022 o*95

July .... . 22,570 i*i3 19,634 1-25 August 26,069 1*26 20,923 1*20 September .... • 20,025 1*98 19,268 1-32

October .... 18,606 2 3 9 27,784 1-6 November . 18,548 2*65 16,908 1*84 December .... 28,512 2*47 23,043 20*2

January, 1976 25,654 2* 54 17,984 1 * 7i February 22,134 2-65 33,148 1-95 March .... • 30,783 2*62 48,865 1*98

April .... 30,845 2*22 51,806 1-75 May 31,216 2’ 63 42,936 1*68 June .... 32,754 2*38 34,861 1*72

July .... 36,657 1*76 32,592 1-37 August 37,807 1*56 45,673 1*43 September .... 35,6oo 1-86 50,821 1-49

October .... 33,9i8 1*83 37,527 1*53 November .... 35,300 I-18 42,507 1*24 December .... • 34,368 9*99 39,609 1*00 I l l Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 112

January, 1977 .... 40,302 1-05 49>95° i 'i 6

February 39.845 1*22 49*527 i * i 7 M a r c h ...... 32,740 1*21 36,379 1,06

April . L24>889 x9 2*992 1*41 May . . 23,801 1-31 26,915 i* 10 June ...... 26,780 i* 14 4159^3 0-98

N o t e : Transp rtation of ore by aerial ropeway also includes ore from Chandmari and Kolihan .stockpiles.

Misuse of S.T.D. Facilities by P&T phone installed in the Inspection Officers Quarters at Telephone Bhavan, Calcutta, will be STD barred as soon 4323. SHRI SHEO NARAIN: Will the as special equipment for STD barring Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be has been installed in the exchange. pleased to state: Information in respect of other P&T Inspection Quarters in these towns is (a) whether the Telephones install­ being collected and will be placed on ed at P&T Inspection Quarters in the the Table of the House. metropolitan cities like Delhi/New Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta and Madras (b) These telephones are available carry S.T.D. facilities also; if so, the for use by those using the Inspection justification therefor; Quarters. (b) whether the holidaying and (c) and (d). These are service tele­ touring officers of the P&T Depart­ phones for local calls no book adjust­ ment can freely use these phones for ments are made. For trunk calls, bills private purposes also; are issued whicli are forwarded to the occupants for further processing/pay­ (c) whether only book transfer or ment. adjustment of the bills only is made; and (d) if so,, what measures have been Retired Central Government Officers or are being devised to prevent the as Advisers/Consultants in H.S.L., misuse of these phones and whether SAIL etc. the registers of calls made from these 4324. SHRI SHEO NARAIN: Will the phones are checked by any authority Minister of STEEL AND MINES be if so, at what level and if not, the pleased to state: reasons therefor? (a) the names of Undertakings THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ under his Ministry like the Hindus­ TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): tan Steel Ltd., the SAIL, etc. which (a) In general, telephones installed at have employed retired Central Gov­ P&T Inspection Quarters are STD ernment Officers as Advisers/Consul­ barred. The telephones installed in tants in their offices located in New the P&T Inspection Quarters under the . Delhi; charge of the General Managers of the Telephone Districts at Delhi, Bombay (b) the particulars of such Offi­ and Madras are STD barred. The tele­ cers, the posts held by them before 213 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (S AKA) Written Answers n 4 retirement, the period of their em­ planning. He is presently engaged on ployment with these undertakings— a number of projects including estab­ -part time or whole time—and the lishment of specialist centres in the remuneration payable per month in Company’s hospitals. addition to conveyance facilities, if any; (d) Does not arise in view of replies to parts (a) to c) above. (c) how far the expertise of these Officers has helped improving the effi­ ciency and financial working of these undertakings; and Retirement age of Officers of Tele­ (d) whether the utility of spending phone and Telegraph Engineering- money on such Advisers/Consultants Service is proposed to be examined in view of the fact that the financial condi­ 4325. SHRI SHEO NARAIN; Will the tion of some of these undertakings is Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be far from satisfactory? pleased tost ate:

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND (a) whether the retirement age of MINES (IHRS BIJU PATNAIK): (a) Officers of the Telephone and Tele­ At present, only Steel Authoritj' of graph Engineering Services—both India Limited has employed a retired class II and I who first go on deputa­ Central Government Officer as Adviser tion to the Indian Telephone In­ (Medical & Health Public Health) in dustries Limited and later get them­ New Delhi. selves absorbed there is 60 years aga­ inst 58 years in P&T Department; (b) The officer retired as Director of Medical Research, Armed Forces Medi­ (b) if so, the reasons therefor; cal Services, on 25th October 1975. He was reemployed by Steel Authority of (c) whether these Officers after ab­ India Limited with Government ap­ sorption in the I.T.I. are also entitl­ proval for a period of one year from ed to draw full pay of the post held ,3rd February, 1976, on a monthly pay by them in addition to the pension of Rs. 3000 in the scale of pay of Rs. they earn for Government service and 2500—3000 minus pension/pensionary also get the benefit of gratuity and benefits. In addition, he has been al­ Provident Fund contribution for their service in the I.T .I; and lowed conveyance allowance of Rs. 200 per month and entertainment allowance (d) if so, the reasons for giving of Rs. 2400 per annum. His employ­ them this double benefit? ment has been extended for another one year upto 2nd February, 1978 on the THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ same terms & conditions with Govern­ TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): (a) ment approval. and (b). The normal age of retirement of officers in the Indian Telephones (c) The officer has been appointed Industries Limited (this includes Gov­ with a view to providng a continuous ernment officers on deputation or per­ feedrback on all aspects of medical manently absorbed in the Complany health facilities provided for the em­ is 58 years. ployees in the various subsidiaries of the Company and suggesting suitable (c) and (d). The terms offered to improvements thereon based on his Government Officers permanently vast experience in medical research absorbed in public enterprises are regu­ and industrial health. Apart from lated by the orders issued by the Gov­ focussing attention on industrial health ernment from .time to time and these & occupational hazards, his services are equally applicable to P&T officers have been useful in the areas of reduc­ who first go on deputation to ITI and ing incidence of malaria & of family later get themselves absorbed in the H 5 Written Answers JULY 21. 1977 Written Answers

services of the Company. These orders permit drawal of pay of the post in t o ^ f w tot ITI in addition to pension, as also I; Provident Fund and gratuity benefits as admissible under the company’s ( ^ ) tot ^ sffaftnff ^ t rules- ^ ^RRT, TNT ^SRT 91 p|*f Bidis at receptions in Indian ^ ^stpr sndwRfT (^rr ^ tf^ Embassies ^T VR9RT) PITpRr ST^TR 4326. SHBI G. Y. KRISHNAN: Will V the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: *****< vUst * ifttt Tnr : (^r) ^ R r ir ^ r (a) whether there is any proposal under the consideration of Govern­ *tot q r T O m ment to ask the Indian Embassies to TO f t ^TF^lV I offer bidis alongwith cigarettes and cigars at the receptions and parties (^ ) ffT+K % TRT ^TT hosted by them; ^ ^ I I (b) whether any suggestion has also been made by the Bidi Industry to the Govemtnent in this regard; and

(c) if so, the reaction of Govern­ ment thereon? 3328. «ft 5TTO5T : TOT foiST m\ ^ ^qr ^ r f ; THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE): (a) Indian Missions and offices abroad are free to offer bidis along with cigarettes and cigars at if % fk*im ^ f ; receiptions and parties hosted by them.

(b) We are not aware of this. (^T) ^ ftR %?ff % t o r srk *nr

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4329* «ft g*RT : sft TTTO^ft : TOT W T TOt ZT| «ldl^ «Ft f^T Opening of Post Offices in Orissa : 4330. SHRI D. AMAT: Will the Minis- (wr) TO 1 9 7 7 -7 8 if ST^

#^TTT *f?ft («ft W TOf) : THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): (^r) 7 m 5T^r if TO 1 9 7 7 -7 8 % (a) 124 in rural areas and 25 in urban

(H ) flNTOiTO? d H l ^ * T : 150 Opening of Telephone Exchange in Orfssa (iii) cfTTOT : 200 4331. SHRI D. AMAT: Will the Min­ (iv ) : f^?nt, toth ister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleas­ ed to state the number of telephone 3^T3T if % 20 exchanges proposed to be opened dur­ t^T#5T | ing the current year in Orissa?

( v ) m ^ \ if t?TTO spT 50 THE! MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ % 100 vTT^fft ^T TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): It is proposed to open 4 new telephone ft^ IK I exchanges in Orissa during the current financial year. (vi) gfe iUdflfey tt^Nt : 15 H^^T ^T ftW K : 20 Issue of licences for mini steel plants

(sr) (j) •si^i • (+H“P(>rf t^lifll 4332. SHRI ANANT DAVE: r t «*it w ito SHRI SHANKERSINHJI VAGHELA: Sfiffr WRVrtl' SNtfWTf fiRRTTT Will the Minister of STEEL AND Ir TH $ {& ft I MINES be pleased to state: I l9 Written Answers { JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 120

(a) the total number of licences Airlines Boeing 737 to Lahore with issued so far for setting up mini steel 77 passengers and seven crew on the plants in the country; board? (b) the total production capacity of THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL these licences; AFFAIRS (SHRI ATAL BIHARI (c) the amount advanced by the na­ VAJPAYEE): An Indian Airlines tionalised banks, and other financial Boeing 737 bound.for Jaipur from institutions to these mini steel plants; Delhi was hijacked to Lahore on and September 10, 1976, by a group of six persons who were taken into custody (d) the extent of production in these by the Pakistan authorities. On Octo­ mini steel plants? ber 9, 1976, an official spokesman of the Government of Pakistan stated THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND that the preliminary investigation MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a), against the hijackers had been com-* (b) and (d). As on 1-1-1977 there were plete and that they would be tried 206 licensed/registered electric arc for violating the laws of Pakistan. furnace units in the country with a On learning subsequently of the Gov­ total production capacity of 43.64 lakh ernment of Pakistan’s decision to -re­ tonnes of mild steel ingots/billets per lease the hijackers, the Government annum. Cases of the units which had of India expressed its regret and not implemented their projects, have deplored the action of the Govern­ been under review and so far 28 ment of Pakistan and the official licences with a total capacity of 4.22 spokesman of the Ministry of Exter­ lakh tonnes and 3 Letters of Intent nal Affairs issued a statement to this with a total capacity of lakh tonnes 2.00 effect on January 6, 1977. There have have been revoked/cancelled. The been no developments since then. total capacity of the remaining 175 units is 37.42 lakh tonnes per annum. The total production of ingot steel by the electric arc furnace units during the last three years was as under:— Direct Dialling system within a radios 1974-75 6.7 lakh tonnes of 40 Kilometers 1975-76 6.1 lakh tonnes. 4334. SHRI ANANT DAVE: SHRI SHANKERSINHJl 1976-77 11.6 lakh tonnes. VAGHELA: (c) The information is being collect­ Will the Minister of COMMUNI­ ed. CATIONS be pleased to state: (a) the particulars of the proposal under consideration of the Govern­ Hijacking of Indian Airlines Boeing ment to have direct dialling system 737 bound for Jaipur with rural areas where still there is trunk call system within a radius of 4333. SHRI ANANT DAVE: 40 kilometers from Delhi; SHRI SHANKERSINHJl VAGHELA: (b) when a decision is likely to be implemented in this regard; and Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state the (c) in case no such proposal is reaction of Pakistan Government on under consideration of the Govern­ the protest lodged by India on the ment the particular steps being taken release of six Urdu speaking hijackers to remove the difficulties and. incon­ who hijacked the Jaipur bound Indian venience of the callers from Delhi Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers 122- to these rural areas like Loni near Settlement of disputes Delhi? . 4 r - J 4336. SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN: SHRI PRASANNBHAI THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ MEHTA: TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): Will the Minister of PARLIAMEN­ (a) and (b). There is no proposal TARY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: under consideration jfor providing direct dialling facility to all the places (a) the total number of disputes within a radius of 40 kilometers from referred to the Union Minister for Delhi. settlement up-to-date since he took- over the charge; (c) Subscribers at Loni and other exchanges around Delhi are obtained (b) in how many cases he has sett­ by Delhi subscribers via the Delhi led the issues and how many cases Trunk Exchange. Circuits between are still pending; and Delhi Trunk Exchange and these ex­ (c) by what time he is likely to changes have been provided in ade­ settle all the issues referred to him? quate number t 0 handle the traffic to and from these exchanges. In case THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ of Loni, there are five trunk circuits TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR which are adequate at present. (iSHRI RAVINDRA VARMA): (a) to (c). Union Labour Minister was *ab(Le to bring about amicable settlements in all the four dis­ putes in which he personally in­ Sterilisation Case recorded in past tervened. Besides these, 270 failure six months of Conciliation Reports were received by the Ministry and 220 were dispos­ 4335. SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN: ed of by the Ministry between 26-3- SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: 1977 (the day on which the Labour Minister took over) and 15-7-1977. Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: Persons suffering from Glandular Ailments (a) whether not a single case of sterilisation operation has been re­ 4337. SHRI SHIV SAMP ATI RAM: corded in the country during the six Will the Minister of HEALTH AND months of the current year; FAMILY WELFARE be pleased state:

(b) if so, the main reasons for the (a) whether the attention of Gov­ same; and ernment has been invited to the news item which appeared in the Hindu­ stan Times on the 24£h December, (c) if not, liow many such operations 1976 to the effect that one in every have taken place in the country dur­ 10 patients upto the age of 30 years ing this period? and mostly belonging to the lower strata of society Were found in *a THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND study to be suffering from various FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI' RAJ glandular ailments; and NARAIN): (a) to (c). The provi­ sional number of sterilisations per­ (b) the reaction of Government formed during the period January to thereto and the steps taken to im^ May, 1977 was 1,093,764. The figures prove the situation and proper treat­ for June, 1977 are awaited. ment of the disease? 1^3 Written Answers JULY 21, 1077 Written Answers

THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND No deaths due to Malaria has been FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ reported during 1977 so far. NARAIN): (a) Yes. Himachal Pradesh target for steri­ (b) Glandular ailments have many lisation different causes, prevention and treat­ 4339. SHRI DURGA CHAND: Will ment will, therefore, depend on the the Minister- of HEALTH AND cause. The glandular ailments due to FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to tuberculosis, filariasis and goitre are state; ^being covered under the respective (a) the target fixed for sterilisa­ control Programmes. There are, how­ tion during emergency in Himachal ever, many diseases such as Hodgkin’s Pradesh; disease, leucaemia, tumours of the lymph gland, chronic and acute septic (b) to what extent the target was conditions of the glands etc. For these fulfilled in Himachal Pradesh during emergency; no specific preventive measures are available and these conditions are f(c) the details of financial and other treated as and when such patients assistance given to Himachal Pradesh report for medical relief. for the purpose; (d) whether’ Government have con­ ducted any survey regarding deaths Deaths due to Malaria due to sterilisation in the State; and

4338. SHRI SHIV SAMP ATI RAM: (e) if so, the facts thereof? Wi]l the Minister of HEALTH AND THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ state the number of persons died due NARAIN): (a) and (b). The target to Malaria during 1976 and 1977 state- for sterilisations fixed for the state of wise? Himachal Pradesh for the years 1975- 76 and 1976-77, which cover the emer­ THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND gency period, and the achievements FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ for the two years are as under: — NARAIN): 40 deaths due to Malaria have been recorded in 1976 in the following States: Year Target for Achieve- Percent­ sterilisa- ment age achi­ ti^n evement Name of the State No. of deaths 1975-76 18,600 16,832 90*5 Andhra Pradesh . i 1976-77 31,500 100,990 ♦ 320- 6

Assam . . . . 30 (c) A statement giving the required Bihar . . 2 information is attached. Maharashtra 1 (d) and (e). The number of deaths as reported by H. P. Govt, due to Punjab...... 1 sterilisation operations during 1975-76 and 1976-77 are as follows: Madhya Pradesh . . 1

West Bengal . . 2 Year Number of deaths

DNK Project . . . 1 1975-76 ! ^ . ! T

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Statement

Details of the assistance given to the Government o f Himachal Pradesh during 1975-76 and 1976-77 are as under :—

Cash Grant 1975-76 . 1976-77 (Rs.) (Rs.)

(iv) T r a n s p o r t ...... 1,96,000 3,47,000 cco (vi) Other Services and Supplies . 85,000 6,26,000 (vii) Mass Education . . . . 42,000 50,000 (viii) Training, Research and Statistics — ' 71,000

S ub-To t a l ...... 44,90,000 147,18,000

Value of Supplies issued in kind (Rs.) (Rs.)

(i) Vaccine fc r Immunization .... 80,173 89,330 (ii) Tablets of Iron and Folic Acid & Vit. ‘A ’ Solution 11,760 1,13,088 (iii) Conventional Contraceptives 2,63,022 1,16,031 (iv) Oral Pills . * 370 — (v) Cu. T . . 3,344 22,700

(vi) Refrigerators...... — 1,630

Sub-To t a l ...... 3,58,669 3,42,779

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Benefits to Extra Department Agents Class IV P&T employees of U.P. Circle 4345. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ 4344. SHRI R. D. RAM: Will the TIONS be pleased to state: Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (a) whether a system of Extra De­ partment Agents was introduced in (a) total number of class IV em­ the post offices some years ago; ployees working in each Postal, Tele­ graph, Civil Engineering, Telephone (b) if so, the reasons for doing so Division in UJ\ Circle, vis-a-vis and ibroad details of the working of number of persons (i) Scheduled the said system; Castes (ii) Scheduled Tribes; (c) the salary scales aad other (b) the steps Government intends benefits being paid to such Extra De­ to take for filling up the vacancies partment Agents; and reserved for (i) Scheduled Castes and (ii) Scheduled Tribes in the divisions (d) the number of hours of their referred to in (a) above; and work and whether they are paid on a part time basis while forced to work (c) whether complaints with re­ on almost full time basis? gard to their negligible representa­ tion have been brought to the notice THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ of Government in past by the Mem­ TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): bers of Parliament? (a) and (b). The Extra-Department system has been in existence for over THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ a century in the Indian Post Offices. TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): The system is necessary for operating (a) Information is being collected and and extending postal facility in rural will be laid on the Table of the House and backward areas of the country in due course. where full work load for having a departmental post office is not justi­ (b) All possible steps for filling fied. The Extra Departmental em­ reserved vacancies are being taken. ployees are required to work for only When there is shortage, the vacancies 2 to 5 hours a day. They are part are notified t0 the concerned Employ­ time employees and are expected to ment Exchanges including the Cen­ have other source of income. tral Employment Exchange. Apart (c) and (d). They are paid allow­ from advertisements being issued in the local newspapers, vacancies meant ances between a minimum of Rs. 75/- P.M. and a maximum of Rs. 155/- for reserved communities are also intimated to the recognised Associa­ P.M. depending upon the average tions and Organisations of Scheduled workload of each person and the Castes/Scheduled Tribes for sponsor­ hours for which they perform duty. ing of suitable candidates. They are paid a maximum gratuity upto Rs. 750/- as a terminal benefit (c) Yes. Sir. But the representa­ subject to satisfaction of certain con­ tion of SC/ST communities is not ditions laid down under the rules and 13 3 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers 13 4 regulations. The Extra Department raised by the Gujarat Govt, to Rs. Agents are not forced to work on full 22.00 since 26th August 1975 and ac­ time basis. cordingly the RPO is accepting gua­ rantee bonds in stamp papers of the value of Rs. 22.00 from that date. Regional Passport Offide, Ahmedabad (d) The Reigonal Passport Officer, Ahmedabad has not collected the 4346. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: difference in the amounts from those Will the Minister of EXTERNAL who submitted their applications prior AFFAIRS be pleased to state: to 1 st October, 1973. (a) whether the Regional Pass­ port Office at Ahmedabad has been for long accepting the guarantee bond on the three-rupee stamp paper from those intending to obtain a passport farm >jfMi to go abroad; 4337. : W (b) whether the said guarantee T)ond is now being required on sftr Mfofu *T^t *Tf Rs. 16.50 stamp paper; ^>mI far :

(c) if so, reasons and broad details (^>) w r irsfh %3T stftIh thereof; and if)'Jlrll % 3I?T

(d) whether the intending Indian f%Phc«i^ irfwifViT % -c visitors going abroad are obliged to rTT M finnfTWt cRT ^tpt p a y the difference in the amount of the said stamp papers as a penalty* *Tft w r ^ ; and if so, why? (^) ft, rfr ^ THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL fa ?re % w ^ k°t | srtr zr AFFAIRS (SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE): (a) to (c). Since the inception of the Regional Passport Office in Ahmedabad in November, (*r) ^rt w v m $ w m m 1969 the guarantee bond executed on farzn «TT fa> 1 19 7 3 §■ Rs. 3 /- stamp paper were being ac­ cepted. The stamp duty payable on ^ ^rr sttt qrr the guarantee bond is determined by the State Government. In September ^ 37% fa fo m srfwfciTf 1973, the Collector and Assistant ^Superintendent of Stamps, Governf- 700-1300 WT % *TFT *T WT ment of Gujarat, informed the Re­ ^ l^ il; sftr gional Passport Office that the Gua­ rantee Bond furnished by applicants ( * ) ft, ifr ^ farfacsrr sft-- for passports was chargeable to stamp Duty of Rs. 16.50 as per Article 54(b) +'1 M T 6 50-1200^7^ of Bombay Stamp Act 1958 as the f 7 0 0 -13 0 0 category of “Security Bond” and re­ ^>T WcFFTFT 3TPt*IT ? quested that all concerned might be informed. Accordingly from 1 st Octo­ ber 1973 the Regional Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, has been accepting Gua­ xm : (^7) *T (?) 1 n W rantee Bonds at the enhanced rate of Rs. 16.50 p. The rate of stamp paper f o m f -*rf for the guarantee bond was again ft^rT w r «tt far 135 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers j $6

problem of housing and medical faci­ lities; «ft qi|5ft 1973 Jr ^ w jn i k t (b) if so, the action taken thereon; % 700-1300 % nsfffcr (c) whether they have pointed out to him that they are being treated ^T-l % Jf^TWF^ I indifferently in comparison to their ^ rm %ca $5pto*i 1300 sre- counterparts in the States; and srf if ?r ?r¥ ?r^ 639 «RwiF<*f) (d) if so, the steps being taken to 700-1300 % flVtflRT 5R-1 help them? % 15FPTR tT WT 3TT =^TT | I V V THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ 171 «T«ff % ^ ItaT TIONS (SHRI SIUJ LAL VERMA): ?rra>r % fa m i (a) to (d). The P&T employees in Gujarat enjoy the same facilities in 170 srf^nrforf % *rnr% ^frr- regard to housing and medical ser­ to W f % * ?n% % «r>i

irfy^O & xfarfm | » f^ r 320 As regards medical facilities, the iifiwirfWf *> 1- 1-1973 % P&T employees including those in Pt>Ml ITQT m sdP*^[ (Vb ^FTT 3 cf *1HI ’if Gujarat are entitled to all medical facilities as admissible to other Cen­ T^T ^TtT 37^ ^ft^- *T3T tral Government employees under the *rn?>r ^r frnr fm fV Jf sr?rf?rr |i Central Civil Services (Medical At­ tendance) Rule 1944. In addition sfft ^r -hih^H ?r *nr srrafar % Special P&T dispensaries for out-door ^rpsr f^nar ^ w\ *rr ^ | i ^b> treatment of P&T employees and their t^ rr^ r ^ % families exclusively, have been open­ ed wherever there is a large concen­ 3r 3t

4349. SHRI S. KUNDU: Will the Honsinf and medical facilities to Minister of STE$L AND MINES be f& T employees of Gujarat pleased to state: 4348. SHRI PRASANJVBHAI (a) whether deposits of gold MEHTA: Will the Minister of COM­ mineral have been traced in come o f MUNICATIONS be pleased to state: the river beds and other places in Orissa; and (a) whether employees of p&T in the State of Gujarat are facing acute (b) if so, the facts thereof? 137 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1ft©9 ( SAKA) Written Answers 138

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND The above rates are being imple­ MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): mented in Orissa.

(to) Sporadic occurrences of alluvia] .gold have been reported in som e of the rivers in Dhenkanal, Keonjhar, Installation of Public Call Office in Koraput, Mayurbhanj, Sambalpur and DIZ area, New Delhi -Sundargarh districts of Orissa. The Mining and Geology Depart­ 4351. SHRI D. B. CHANDftE ment of Orissa also carried out in­ GOWDA: Will the Minister of COM­ vestigation of some auriferous veins MUNICATIONS be pleased to state: in Keonjhar but did not find gold of economic significance. (a) whether there is any proposal under the consideration of Govern­ Minimum Wages for Workers in ment for the installation of an Chromite Mines in Orissa external type Public Call Office in the P®5 area, Mandir Marg, New 4350. SHRI S. KUNDU: Will the Delhi; and Minister of PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR be pleased to state: (b) if so, when?

(ft) whether any minimum wages THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ for the mine workers working in the TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): •chromite mines of Orissa was fixed; (a) No, Sir. (b) if so, at what rate and when it was fixed; (b) Does not arise.

(c) whether the same is being implemented in Orissa; (d) whether the Central Labour Department in Orissa had suggested % tm % ^ (W a higher rate and if so, what was the higher rate of wage suggested; and (p) whether Government are con­ templating to further increase the 4352«. • minimum wages of the mine workers SRTT W W iftr JTsfr in Orissa working in chromite mines? 7 T&E MiNI&QSJl OF PARLIAMEN­ ld 7 ^ % 2801 TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR (SHRI RAVINDRA VAfiMA); (a) to % & w (c). Minimum wages in the Chromite Jr f a x % Pr^r * jnines were ndtSfced under the Mini­ fWd f ? mum Wages Act, 1948 in June, 1976. The notified rates aits m s under: Unskilled Workers— Rs. 5.80 per day vm s fit m ) : irtftrcr p t Semi Skilled Workers— Us. 7.25 qOT "R w ^ J 1 per day .Skilled/Clerical Workers—Rs. t£70 per day 786 77] ) Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 140

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1 1 snror if T5l% ^rr mx^w Medical and Hoiismg Facilities to % if •ftfir Ph^im P&T Employees of Assam *prr §■ 1 crw^ffar if ^ft o^f«w 4359. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: Will sW fiaw | ^ ^5T if 5KT the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: f^f^yr ^>r f 1 (a) whether Central Government have kept Rs. 1 crore for housing to P&T employees; *nr*0 v ftm ir t % si^ ^ fiwvwd (b) if so, how much out of it will be spent in the State of Assam for 4358 ^TTvRft *?l{ • ^ T the employees of P&T Deptt. there; ♦i^Tl *Tf «idl^ ^ t £>wI ch^4i f a .* (c) whether the work of the em­ ployees of P&T there is very hard and ( ^ ) WT % fwf^T FTTTT *t have to work for long hours; f^7?9R M\*\M r^^i^lcT STRft (d) whether Government are con­ <^ol ^ fa ?Ffa TTTWf if isT sidering to give more housing and medical facilities to them; and f c f e : ^ tftt

I; THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL ViSRMA) : . & *n**rc % xm (a) Originally an allocation of Rs. 6 cft*T ^F*f?7 % W-'silV d % crores had been made in the Union **. facT% Mi4 f ; Budget for construction of housing for the P&T employees throughout . (n>.) ^ra* cT^ ^ l+a^ ^TPT^ft ^T the country. In the recent budget the amount has been increased by Rs. I f t tot I ; sftr crore. \

(^r) f a ^ sW t *rfa rtf ^ t m r f t ' l k t ? (b) Rs. 12.85 lakhs. (c) The nature and hours of work TOTT («ft f* *rf) : of the P&T employees throughout th? (sp) % *rnf *r i p f t country are" generally similar. 143 WWWen Answers JULY 21. 1977 Written Answers 144

(d) and (e). It is the endeavour of the Government to provide maxi­ wri « r mum housing and medical facilities VlWft : (<*r) ?rk ( s ) . to all classes of its employees in all TRq ^ SJTRT ^^»TT % areas within the overall limitations of resources. 'StR ^ I

There are at present 1591 residen­ tial quarters available in Assam for a total regular staff strength of 14478. *FTWRf % 65 additional quarters are under cons­ truction, out of which 43 are likely to 436 r. *cro £fn *r be completed during the current fin­ ancial year. ^tt m rito

The P&T employees all over the country are entitled to free medical (sffj % f t i t ^TOTPTlr care as admissible to all other Cen­ tral Government servants under the Pratf | iftx ^TTOTff ? ^rrnr Central Services (Medical Attendance) t t ^ r , Rules 1944. Whenever there are t ; large concentrations of P&T emplo­ yees, special PT Dispensaries have (*sr) ^ v sr^ i if w t* ^ TTS^T if vide out-door treatment exclusively for the P&T employees and members of their families. f+cA VTTOHt % *lf ?

fhnftn ero nsft (4ft * tftlt n n % WTO

4360. w w w fircnr **: ttavlv w i WWT SW sm f a :

(*p) VTT 9 W R VT HfPT SHffr A it vwvf<4f fFifii S g^rr farm t o | fa t o Ji^ir Jf 4362. ^nsw fwm : t'hfr vnsrmf % erfeiif $ srftr v r f fW W rt’ m vm Pro artm IJTT ft>

( « ) WT rftft ifk fifRK («fr) W m «T R w ^ (fjpftspr nffffjpnr, 1966 «(t f^mrr w |^ ftr f t i t in we\ d % HS^PTT VT *TTT % ^

(w ) qfe ?r, srt % to Dispensaries during the year. District-wise break-up of the Primary ^TT ^y|) '^TW ^ % *RtJ if ^ oZR^TT ^ I (iii) Provision of safe water;

(iv) Provision of sanitary latrines;

(v) Control of communicable Health and Family Welfare Centres in diseases: — Gujarat (a) Immunisation against small­ 4363. SHfti AHMED M. PATEL: pox, tetanus and diphtheria; W ill; the Minister of HEALTH AND FAjNEtLY WELFARE be pleased to (b) Facilities for isolation and state: treatment of cases;

(a) the number of Health and (c) Supply of dehyderation F&rnfy Welfare Centres opened and powder. proposed to be opened in the back­ ward area of Gujarat State, District- (vi) Maternal and Child health wise; and services: (a) Ante-natal services;

(b) nature of facilities provided for (b) Post-natal services; the TVIbals and Harijans? (c) Infant health services;

fBB KnQBTElt or HEAti¥H (d) Pre-school health care. AK& WWILT WELFARE (SHRI RAJ NARAIN): (a) 64 Primary (vii) Family Welfare Services. Httith GMtres with AS Rural Family Wfelftire Cefltrts and Sf4 Rural Sub- (viii) Facilities for health edu­ Centres are functioning in backward cation. areas of Gujarat. No additional Pri- mmy. Health- Centre/Rural Family (ix) Provision of Laboratory I Welfare Centre to proposed to be opened during 1977-^8. However; Services. the sub-centres functioning at S611A (x) Improvement of registration in Broach District and Hanumantwad in Balsar District will be upgraded of vital events. 147 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 14

Statement Number of Health and Family Welfare Centres functioning in Backward Areas of Gujarat State

Number of Centres functioning Name of the D i s t r i c t ------Primary Health Rural Family Rural Sub- Centres Welfare Centres Centres at the Primary Health Centres

1 2 3 4

(1) Broach .. 8 8 48 (2) Panchmahals 16 16 104

(3) Suiat 14 13 72 (4) Bulsar 13 13 69 (5) Sabarkanta 6 6 40

(6) Baroda .. 5 5 29

(7) Dang • • 2 2 12

T o t a l . . . . 64 63 374

Payment of Bonus to Postal Employees RAJ NARAIN): (a) There is no working in Savings Banks Institution by the name of Central Family Planning and Research Cen­ 4364. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL tre under the administrative control NAIDU: Will the Minister of COM­ of the Ministry of Health and Family MUNICATIONS be pleased to state Welfare. However, there is a Family whether bonus is being given to pos­ Planning Training and Research tal employees working in savings Centre located in Bombay under the banks? Ministry. THE MINISTER OF COMMUNIC­ The activities of this Centre- arei — ATIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): No, Sir. 1. (i) To impart training in health and family welfare to different cate­ gories of workers deputed from dif­ Central Family Planning Research ferent States. Centre (ii). To supervise and guide the students placed for field placement-; 4365. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: Wrll the Minister of 2, To arrange educational pro-? HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE grammes for the general public iijt;. be pleased to state: different communities. (a) the activities of the Central Family Planning Research Centre; and 3. To carry out research studiesrr related to training education and' (b) whether it is giving training to Health and Family Welfare Pro- . the statisticians and artists? gramme.

THE MINISTER OF HEALTH 4, To provide family welfare and AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI other welfare services to people. 149 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers

(b) Family Welfare (Planning) THE MINISTER OF HEALTH Training and Research Centre, Bom­ AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI bay does not give training to Statis­ RAJ NARAIN): (a) Yes. ticians and Artists. (b) The Institute has been estab­ lished with the following objects: — Kudremukh Iron Ore Company (i)' To promote the growth and development of Homoeopathy. 4366. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: Will the Minister of (ii) To produce graduates and STEEL AND MINES be pleased to post-graduates in Homoeopathy. state: (iii) To conduct research on (a) when Kudremukh Iron Ore various aspects of Homoeopathy. Company at Bangalore was register­ ed; (iv) To provide medical care through Homoeopathy to the suffer­ (b) the purpose of the company; ing humanity on no profit no loss and basis. (c) the provision made this year (v) To provide and assist in pro­ for investment in the above company? viding services and acilities for re­ search, evaluation, training, con­ THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND sultation and guidance related to MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): Homoeopathy. (a) and (b). The Kudremukh Iron Ore Company Limited was registered (vi) To conduct experiments and on. the 2nd April, 1976 at Bangalore develop patterns of teaching in fQT the purpose of implementing the under-graduate and post-graduate Kudremukh Iron Ore Project for the education on various aspects of production and supply of 150 million Homoeopathy. tonnes of iron ore concentrate to Iran in terms of the Sale and Pur­ chase Contract with the National Itknian Steel Industries Company and the Financial Agreement with the Apprenticeship Training Schem^ Imperial Government of Iran, entered into- by the Steel. Authority. of Jndia 4368. SHRI a R. DAMANI: Will Limjted on the 4th November, 1975. the Minister of PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR be pleaseS ~ (.q) .The provision made in the bud­ get, for 1977-78 for investment in state: K^OjCL is Rs. 136.97 crores. (a) the details of programmes drawn under the Apprenticeship 1.0* l:\ Training Scheme and the progress achieved in their implementation; ^atibnal Institute of Homoeopathy (b) the industries selected for the - 3367/ SHltt P. RAJAGOPAL purpose and details of guidelines NAIDU: Will the Minister of : issued to them; HBALTH AND. FAMILY WELFARE be^leased to state: (c) whether a watch is kept to dee"11 to what extent the Scheme is b e n e fit­ r(a) whether National Institute for ing in post-apprentice: period to get Homoeopathy/ was established; and permanent employment or to become^ self-employed; and ,{&)4f-so, the purpose for .which it was established? (d) if so, the outlines thereof?: 15 1 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ THE MINISTER OF PRLIAMEN- TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR (SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA): (a) (SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA): (a) and (b). The apprenticeship training to (c). The Union Budget for 1977-78 is imparted to apprentices in accord­ contains a provision of Rs. 6 crores ance with the provisions of the Ap­ for a scheme to provide ‘seed’ money prentices Act, 1961. The progress and other finance to enterprising edu­ achieved in its implementation is cated unemployed considered eligible given in Chapter I and Chapter III in for assistance. In addition, the Union Report, 1076-77 (Volume II) of the Budget provides for additional out­ Ministry of Labour already presented lays for agriculture, irrigation, power, to the Lok Sabha. A list of indus­ khadi and village industries, sericul­ tries specified under the Act is laid ture, handlooms, postal and telephone on the Table of the House. [Placed facilities in rural areas and wide in Library. See No. LT-787/77]. ranging rural infrastructure pro* grammes, covering, among other (c) and (d). yes. Upto March, things, such schemes as durable link 1976, the total number of apprentices roads and rural drinking water sup­ ■who successfully completed training ply. These schemes are expected to was 1,12,251. As on 30-6-1076, the create substantial employment oppor­ number of passed-out apprentices on tunities both for the educated and the Live Register of Employment Ex­ the uneducated unemployed. changes was 24,634. This figure suf­ fers from the limitation that all the In order to achieve the objective of apprentices registered with the Em­ removing destitution within 10 years, ployment Exchanges are not necessari­ Government propose to follow an em­ ly unemployed and all the passed-out ployment oriented strategy for deve­ apprentices are not necessarily register­ lopment. The Planning Commission ed with the Employment Exchanges. have been asked to formulate the 6th Instructions have been issued to en­ Five Year Plan with a high employ­ sure that priority consideration is given ment content. by employers to passed-out apprentices in the matter of employment. Wqphene Connections to persons of ^Employment to Half-a-Million Educa­ Gmdai Taluka Rajkot (Gujarat) ted ttnemployea 4370. SHRI DHARAMSlNHBHXl SHRI fi. R. DAMANI: Will PATEL: Will the Minister of COM­ the Minister pf PARLIAMENTARY MUNICATIONS be pleased to state: AFFAIRS AND LABOUR be pleas­ ed to state: {a) whether ^posits of Rs. 1000/- have been made with the Telephone (a) the details of schemes drawn Department from the Kolithad and by the Ministry under his leadership other villages of Gondal Taluka of to create eixy^yment to the half- Rajkot district in Gujarat in 1976 for a-million educated unemployed regi­ the installation of an auto-telephone stered with employment exchanges; Exchange there; (b) the financial provisions made In what steps aie being taken to their deposits; accelerate tfee prd&wmme keying in (c) the reasons for not providing view the likely number of new regis­ telephone connections to them so fan tration* during this year and every (d) when the telephone connections year to follow? would be given to them; and 153 Written Answers ASADHA SO, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers 154

(e) the action taken or proposed (c) the names of foreign countries to be taken by Government in this to which Indian steel is being export­ regard? ed at present?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) (a) Yes, Sir. and (b). SAIL International Limited, (b) 13 applicants have paid advance the canalising agency for export of deposits on 15th September, 1976 for iron and steel has been considering the registering their telephone demand. possibility of opening a stockyard in the Gulf Country for maximising steel (c) to (e). Connections could not be export in the West Asian Countries. provided as there is no telephone ex­ change in the area. A project estimate (c) Steel export during the last three for installation of a telephone exchange years to the countries named below:— is under examination by the General Manager (Telecommunications), Guja­ 1. Abu Dhabi. 2. Aden. 3. Afghanis­ rat Circle. Connections will be given tan. 4. Australia. 5. Baharin. 6. Bangla­ after sanctioning and opening of an desh. 7. Burma. 8. Mozambiaque. 9. exchange. Bulgaria. 10. Belgium. 1 1 . Czechoslo­ vakia. 12. Doha. 13. Dubai. 14. DPR Korea. 15. Ethiopia. 16. Egypt. 17. Opening 0f Medical Colleges in Delhi Greece. 18. Hong Kong. 19. Holiand. 20. Iraq. 21. Iran. 22. Italy. 23. Indo­ 4371. SHRI SUKHDEV PRASAD nesia. 24. Japan. 25. Jordan. 26. Kuwait VERMA: Will the Minister of HEALTH 27. Kenya. 28. Libya. 29. Lebanon. 30. AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased Muscat. 31. Maxico. 32. Mauritius. to state: 33. Malaysia. 34. Nigeria. 35. Philip­ pines. 36. Pakistan. 37. Poland. (a) whether there is great demand 38. Rumania. 39. Sweden. 40. Syria. for opening of new medical colleges 41. Saudi Arabia. 42. Singapore. 43. Sri in the Union Territory of Delhi; and Lanka. 44. Turkey. 45. Tanzania. 46. Thailand. 47. Taiwan. 48. U.S.A. 49, (b) if so, the steps Government UJC. 50. U.S*S*R. 51, Venezula, 52. propose to take to meet the demand? Yugoslavia. 53. Yaman. 54. Zambia. 55. THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND Sey-Chelles. FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ NARAIN): (a) No. (b) Does not arise. Microwave Equipments for P. & T. Department Steel Stockyard in Gulf Country 4373. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: 4372. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ Minister of STEEL AND MINES be TIONS be pleased to state: pleased to state: (a) whether immediate orders are (a) whether there is any proposal going to be placed on Budavox under the consideration of Govern­ Company of Hungary for supply of ment to examine the possibility of Microwave equipments for Posts and opening a stockyard in the Gulf eoun- Telegraphs Department; try to serve as base for distribution of its products to West Asian Nations; (b) whether Government have satisfied themselves with the micro­ (b) if so, the salient features of wave equipments supplied by the policy of Government in this regard; company about 3 years ago worths and about 10 crores of rupees; Written Answers JULY 21. 1977 Written Answers 156

(c) persons who are were connect­ (b) whether more and more orders ed with this business deals and whe­ for this equipment are being placed ther any cases of impropriety have on Nippon Electric Company of been reported to Government; Japan?

(d) whether any impropriety has THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ also been reported in the matter of TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): supply of telecommunication equip- (a) and (b). Earlier, the performance ' ments by M/s. Erricson India Ltd., of the Pentaconta type of crossbar Calcutta; and equipment, which has been installed in India since 1967, had been the (e) if so, facts thereof? subject of discussion in Parliament. New type of crossbar equipment THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ whose performance is better, has re- TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VERMA): (a> centty been purchased after calling No, Sir. for global tenders against a World Bank Loan, from two companies in (b) No supply was made 3 years ago. Japan of which Nippon Electric Com­ Against the order placed on the firm in pany is one. For meeting further 1973 the equipment supply was com­ demands, proposals are under consi­ pleted in 1976-77. Installation in one deration for procuring more such section has been completed. The ins­ equipment from the same two com­ talled equipment is satisfactory and panies of Japan under a Yen Credit. is under “proving in”.

iV. (c) The purchase has been made after detailed evaluation of offers by Supply of Oxygen Valves and Bearings expert teams and approval of the ’Gov­ to Bokaro Steel Plant ernment. No single officer is concern­ ed with this procurement. No case of 4375. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: impropriety relating to this purchase Will the Minister of STEEL AND has been reported to the Minisry of MINES be pleased to state: Communications. (a) whether as reported by the (d) No case of impropriety has been Economic Times, dated 17th April, reported to the Ministry of Communica­ 1977, the Soviet-aided Bokaro Steel tions relating to purchase of telecom­ Plant’s inventories of Oxygen Valves munication items from M /s Ericsson and Bearings have reached the mini­ India Ltd., Calcutta. mal level as the Russians have in­ formed New Delhi that they are not (e) Does not arise. in a position to supply these critical items for quite some time; (b) if so, the facts thereof; and (c) Governments reaction to the Cross Bar Exchange Equipment for same? P&T Department THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 4374. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) "Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ and (b). The inventory of Oxygen TIONS be pleased to state: Valves and bearings at Bokaro Steel Plant has not come down to the mi­ (a) whether Government are soon nimal level when delay or failure in ijoing to buy cross bar exchange obtaining these items would cause se­ equipment for the Posts and Tele- rious damage to the plant and machi­ .graphs Department in spite of criti­ nery. So far as Oxygen Valves are cism in Parliament; and concerned, Soviets have expressed 157 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 158

their inability to supply Bokaro’s re- («r) ?f, t w f ; quirement of a particular type or Oxygen Valve as it is no longer pro­ (*T) '3*T fV < 4ftj^ T T duced in that country. Bokaro is plac­ ing trial orders for this item on an vfWTT ? indigenous party and is also inviting global tenders. In case of bearings, vnf s«n «nr ihft («ft the USSR has agreed to supply them. x*far *irf) : (*) *t (*r). w (c) The impression conveyed by % «iT} if f«Cy IH the News item is not correct. % *TRRT if ^'+i *15113 ^TT I *TFT?T qx xt^ t sx^ txt ^ qxnnr ^x% fw^rx r+’M I '3TT XfT f> ? 4376. «ft qSRrTSrof : ^TT ^FTTcT « 'SflT SJIW *T?ft

f% : w ff ^ ?T^JX (^ ) 1977-78 *r if % 1%^ ^TT^T fiRrft WT fr ft; 4378. Mlo *TKIW .■: sftx 2RT #B|TT *T^t 3cTH 37t f^TT tfT^ fa : (sr) wr W^TT ^qT^T ^ gxt $ 3% ? (^ ) TTT5f 1977 $ t sftx sth *hft («ft w % tr^r rrwrErx ^ft szRwr «ft; TOTOV>) : (^r) 197 7 -7 8 ^ lx *rrmxw ^ftrt ^ 73. 7 l

VVelTTt (^r) w ^ ft ?r ^t r ^Tft ^nmn ^«+>di fV qf^- 4377. «ft IRRtT 5Wf : WT TOW* ^ ff % ^XTT f«r>n^ < Wlci ^l^’H" WT *rat ^ ^rTFt 3Ft f^TT ^ T W lfft -s\w ti Wl^i 1 '5TPTT mm ftr : ft^T qX f^TX =Mdl f I d^ifw, (^r) w ^tx^tx ^Nrfx^ff ?iwr | ftr ?m% qt^r ^rf % w r st^ t CT5FTT ^T X % ^ 'Si'^NX ^ qT% ^1% ^Tfoft «f?t qx fa^TX TfV | ; ^ft^RT ^TWT 6 ^ ti-H fh ft I 159 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers

% ^ r w r ?ff5r ^ ^Ti^rn: ^ n x ^r^- ft^^rnr % ^tpt ^ an^jx w ^^fw ^ ^t ^fi- f^rn: | i 4379. «ft SWTO : "Htl f?R5T *ial ^ 3RTT% fi’TT ^Ferir tfm r % nfcpnfa^ f«P : ^fff % OTT J h nTv * iPTIT OTT 9T^f^R7 #^Rrzft, ftreTT ^rr ? w t spppnff ?rk

(w) Jr fe w *r SC-fTC A pp om tv^ t « f Class IV f t j l i y m 5TTT WT ^ d6l^l »n% f ^ K in Bokaro Steel Ltd. I ? 4380. SHRI A. K. ROY: Will the fasst irijt («ft wt ^zfhT Ltd.? i effa *T% f I THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a> ^ s fr % No, Sir. ^ ff *T forc'd HW ?ftr % (b) and (c). Recruitment to Class ^nr ^ tk t q r f^T^TT | IV posts in Bokaro Steel Limited is sfk *ffc «fr ?rpt % mv preferentially done from amongst 3R7IX % ^FXTX ^>T7T ^TT displaced persons, scheduled castes/ tribes and ex-servicemen. The dis­ f^ f S R T % &T*T WKN- placed persons in the list of selected 5f?R % ^w^rt % w w arrfV | i candidates are given priority for ap-t pointment. The dependents of the 39% nfw^^Rr, ^ ft % deceased employees of the Company sjRff ^ i

(b) if so, reasons therefor; Chasnaia Colliery Accident (c) whether Government have re­ 4381. SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD ceived any representation in this be­ YADAV: Will the Minister of PAR­ half; and LIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND LA­ BOUR be pleased to state: (d) if so, action taken thereon?

(a) is it true that source of water accumulation on surface which caused THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ accident at Chasnaia Mine, Bihar on TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR 5-4-1976, was known to the officials of (SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA): (a) Directorate of Mines’ Safety and also and (b). The Diploma in Mine Sur­ of the management; and veying of the Orissa School of Min­ ing Engineering, Keonjagarh has not (b) if so, what action Government yet been included in the list of dip­ propose to take against those offi­ lomas approved for the purpose. cials who knew of the danger but failed to take corrective steps? (c) and (d). A representation in this regard has been received by the THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ Directorate General of Minies Safety TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR which is under their consideration. (SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA): (a) The Court of Inquiry appointed to enquire into the causes of and cir­ Construction of Head Post Office cumstances attending the accident Building at Keonjagarh which occurred in Chasnaia Mine on 4383. SHRI GOVINDA MUNDA: 5-4-76 has observed that the accumu­ lation of water in the Quarry bed Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ TIONS be pleased to state: that caused the accident was known to Shri Dipak Sarkar, Agent and Area (a) whether there is any proposal Manager of 3/4 Incline and quarries to construct a new building for the of Chasnaia Colliery and the acci­ Head Post Office at Keonjagarh; dent took place due to his careless­ ness. (b) if so. estimated cost thereof; Nand (b) The report as well as the action to be taken against this officer is (c) the probable date by which the under consideration. building is to be constructed?

Diploma Holders in Mine-Surveying THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI­ of Orissa School of Mining Engineer, CATIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VAR­ ing, Keonjagarh MA): (a) No, Sir.

4382. SHRI GOVINDA MUNDA: (b) and (c). Do not arise. Will the Minister of PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR be Black-Listing for making pleased to state: Spurious Drugs (a) whether the diploma holders in 4384. SHRI OM PRAKASH TYA- mine-surveying of the Orissa School GI: Will the Minister of HEALTH of Mining Engineering, Keonjagarh AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased are not treated at par as qualified to state: 1676 L&—6. Written Answers JULY 21. 1977 Written Answers

(a) the mines of the cpncerns which were detected for leaking V; ^ spurious drugs by the Central Drugs Standard Control Organisation; and (*r) m (b) whether those concerns have 31d M+f^ldO CN t ? been black-listed? Hsft («ft SilHm vtf) : THE MHtflSTEg, OF HEALTH AND (^ ) fT I ir^o ^ T o -l FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ ’Mid) *)(£<*> TsTARAIN): (a) The names of the con­ cerns which were detected making spurious drugs are:

1. M/s. Virani Pharmaceuticals, FaridabatL (^r) 236 ^ ^ 35 I 2. M/s. Mahaka Pharma, Hydera­ bad. \ (*t) t smm- | 3. M/s. Medichem Laboratories, 3TT*TPft 24 3rRtfK ^ T R | - Hyderabad. ?FT irirnr I

4. M/s. Modern Drugs, Hyderabad. Chasnaia Colliery Accident 5. M/s. King Chemicals, Hyderabad. 4386. SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD (b) There is no provision under YADAV: Will the Minis-ter of PAR­ the Drugs and Cosmetics Act, 1940 LIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND LA­ and the Drugs and Cosmetics Rules, BOUR be pleased to state: 1945 for blacklisting the concerns. Prosecutions have. however, been (a) whether in the inquiry report launched against the concerns at 1 to of Chasnaia mine accident occurred on 4 above. The concern at 4 has been 27th December, 1975, it is established convicted by the Court. The State that the extended channel of old Drugs Controller, Andhra Pradesh has working which caused the accident been requested to launch prosecution was not shown on the old statutory against the concern at 5 above. plan prepared in 1949;

(b) is it true that Mines* Safety Department had verified these old plans in the-year 1949/1950 and main­ tained in their office as a correct re­ 4385. aft ifaf 5TO5J SWft : 5FTT cord; and ^ # f^rr fa : (c) who is responsible for this serious omission and what action (^r) r m i Government propose to take for this omission? % fwz 55Ttq^T qldM- ^f^cT ^FTTT t » THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR ( s a w J&ViNPRA VARMA,): (a) 944 lb ), The Court of Inf(H?7 aB* * 9»ted to enqptii* mt» tte causes 9/ * 65 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 18»9 (SAKA) Written Amwers 166

and circumstances attending the ac­ M f i («ft *ra- cident that occurred in the Chasnaia ^ 1 fffRT Tre *ffiw Colliery on 27-12-75 has not drawn any couclusion to this effect. % sr

f^t ire? ^ ^fa-- 4387. SHRI A. K. ROY: Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be ^rfr^ *rm% %<* *r^r pleased to state: ^T5r^T % sfNatrrTO £r

(a) what is the number of Sche­ 1 ^rr spirt w | P f duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes tffKr TTSJ jf f%*ft SffafTW ’TTTT employees in all the units under SAIL *r§f srfNrrfop ^rm % if ^rr% in all different grades and their per­ centage to the total employees separa­ % % £ f C\ ?r^iTR-'f « % s f t O c t r ' ' tely; cffrr 12 (b) what is the percentage cf w srnrift 1 Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes 4. 2 wiT^'t^TT sfttffafa in the recruitment of the last three years specially during the Emergency; % ^ROT stf 7. 5 5T%9RT ^ and % 'H+’dl ^ I

(c) what steps the Government propose to take to restore the per­ centages of the Scheduled Castes and Bokaro Town Planning Scheduled Tribes to the prescribed level? 4389. SHRI A. K. ROY: Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND pleased to state: MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) to (c). The information is being (a) whether Ukrid village had been collected and will be laid on -the Table acquired by the Bokaro Steel Limited* of the House. (b) whether the villagers were not given any alternative site where they could shift; tfsr * f (c) whether according to the re­ vised planning Bokaro Steel Limited would not require that village for 4388 . sft fa s * : township; (d) whether villages desire to pay back the compensation money to w fifer $tt retain their village; and ft) W *K+K % 3TTT (e) if so, whether Government ?TOT ^ Sf if W T propose to release Ukrid village from % srcffrHfci 6 5^ qft the Bokaro Town Planning?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): 167 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 168- (a) Ukrid village had been acquired (a) No, Sir. by the Bihar Government for Bokaro Steel Limited. (b) Does not arise.

(b) The villagers were given alter­ Number of Employees in Rourkc la native sites by the Government of Steel Limited Bihar. (c) Bokaro Steel Limited do require 4391. SHRI D. AMAT: Will the Mi­ the lands of this village for the town­ nister of STEEL AND MINES be ship complex of the Plant . pleased to state: (d) and (e). Do not arise. (a) the total number of employees under Hindustan Steel Limited, Rour- Telephone to Panchayat Headquarters kela, at present, in all cadres of posts of Orissa and jobs; and

4390. SHRI GOVINDA MUNDA: (b) out of the total Employees Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ what is the number of Scheduled TIONS be pleased to state: Castes and Scheduled Tribes Em­ ployees and their percentage thereof? (a) whether there is any proposal to install telephone system in every THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND Panchayat Headquarter in Orissa dur­ MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): (a) ing 1977-78; and and (b). The total number of regular employees of all categories in the (b) if so, the details thereof? Rourkela Steel Plant and the num ber of Scheduled Caste and Scheduled THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ Tribe employees and their percentage, TIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VARMA): as on 30th June, 77, is given below:—

T^al regular Scheduled caste Percentage of Scheduled tribe Percentage of empl yees in employees Scheduled Caste employees Scheduled trib e R.S.P. as on employees employees 30-6-77

36,701 3,069 8*36 6,060 x6* 51

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4392. ^ ^TTPTUT *TT^T : ^ *fY< 3cPT TT^T WT ^FT W t

(^ ) 5*1^ fwf, zffc WTRT WTiWHf Wft, (*f) WT fair 5PTT *Trff HWWdT % WT ^cPTT spt fir^rrr | 1975 1976 % qaHl cPTT (w) ofk ft, eft tot f%cpn M pTT ; t ? 169 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers 170

wft urn irft («it (ii) The loss on upgradation UTOHi) : (w) $ • '•iM+id sn*r should not exceed Rs. 1000 per an­ num in rural areas and Rs. 500 p.a. "V wr ^ | sftr ^nnT-q^r qr xm in urban areas. 1 (B) Conditions for providing Pub­ lic Call Office:

Branch Post Offices in Birbhum (i) Public Call Office is normally provided at place having post office 4393. SHRI GADADHAR SAHA: if the scheme is financially viable. Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ TIONS be pleased to state: (ii) In case of loss this facility (a) the number of Branch Post can be provided on loss guarantee Offices in rural areas in Birbhum; basis if some interested party is willing to indemnify the loss. (b) the number of Branch Post Offices upgraded to Sub-Post Offices; (iii) In the case of the following and categories of Stations, telephone facility can be provided the antici­ (c) the conditions for up-gra- pated revenue is at least 25 per dations of Post Offices with F.C.O.? cent of Annual Recurring Expendi­ ture (ARE) in ordinary areas, 15 THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI­ per cent of the ARE in case of CATIONS (SHRI BRIJ LAL VER­ backward areas and 10 per cent of MA): (a) There are 319 Branch Post ARE in case of hilly areas: Offices in rural areas of Birbhum District (1) Places beyond 40 Kms. (b) Three Branch Post Offices have from a working Telephone Ex­ been upgraded to Sub Post Offices change. during the period from 1-4-74 to 30-0-77. (2) Places having a population of 5,000 situated within 12.5 Kms. (c) Conditions for upgradation of of an existing exchange (the po­ Post Offices and providing Public pulation condition is relaxed to Call Offices are given in the attached 2.500 in case of hilly and back­ statement. ward areas).

Statement (3) Tourist and Pilgrim cen­ tres. (A) Conditions for upgradation of Branch Post iOffices into Sub-post (4) Agricultural/Irrigation and offices: Power project sites/Townships.

(i) The parent sub office of the These conditions stands waived in proposed Branch Post Offices has the following categories of the sta­ more than 20 Branch Post Offices tions: in account and its sub A /C work needs decentralisation. (a) District headquarters. OR (b) Sub Divisional headquarters. (c) Tehsil headquarters. The proposed branch post office (d) Sub tehsil headquarters. has on its own a workload of 5 hrs. or more per day even though its (e) Block headquarters. parent office may have 20 or less (f) Places with population of branch offices in account. more than 10,000. 171 Written Answers JULY 21, 1377 Written Answers ij%

proposal of Maharashtra G ^ m - (t ) and (d). Representations have ment regarding increase of &eats been made from a large number of for Medical Courses in Hospitals students and some organisations for 4394. DR. VASANT KUMAR increasing seats for the current year PANDIT: only. Keeping in view the peculiar SHRI SHANKARRAO MANE: situation the Government of India is examining the proposals. Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: Reward for motivating Family (a) whether Indian Medical Council Planning cases has rejected the proposal of Maha­ rashtra Government to increase the 4395. DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN­ seats for medical courses in the State DIT: Will the Minister of HEALTH hospitals; AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleas­ (b) whether in spite of the rejection ed to state: by the Indian Medical Council, the Government of Maharashtra have de­ (a) the number of Officers reward­ cided to double the number of seats ed for motivating the family plan^ and shown its willingness to provide ning cases, the nature of reward given the necessary funds; to them and the total amount Incur­ red as a result of this, State-wise; (c) whether the Student and Youth Organisations have threatened a mas­ sive agitation if the number of seats (b) whether to obtain this reward, is not increased; and they app'li^d all focd means including the use of fbrce and other illegal pre&» (d) if so, the final decision taken sures; and by the Government on the above issue? (c) whether Government propose to recover that award and punish THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND them for abuse of power and position?* FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ NA­ RAIN): (a) and (b). The proposal of Maharashtra Government regarding THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND increase in the seats of medical cour­ f a m i l y We l f a r e (s h r i • r a j ses is still under consideration of the NARAIN): (a) to (c). Replies in this Government of India. regard have so far been received from the States of "Maharashtra, Manipur, Orissa, Kerala and West However, State Government have Bengal and Union Territories of Aru- shown its willingness to provide addi­ nachal Pradesh, Dadra, Nagar Haveli tional fund* if the number of seats is increased. and Pondicherry and1 these are showiL in the attache#' srtatelnerit. Written Answers ASADllA 3fr, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 17 4

Statement

Replies received S. No. State/U.T. Part A Patrt B Part C

1 Maharashtra No special Award has been Queztkn dees net aii:e. given to motivators.

2 Manipur An amouni of Rs. 300 was No. Question dcesf not given fb 4 doctors for high dris**. ^performance in Sterilisa­ tion operations.

Orissa Nil Question dees not arise. Kerala 62 Officers were given No. Question dees net award* at the total expen­ arise. diture of Rs. 6,525.

5 West Bengal 106 GSieers were given No. Question dees not awards out of which 52 arise. W£te given medafe itttf 54 were given cash prizes. Expenditure on medal? was Rs. 624 and on cash awitds Rs. I4>450« 6 Arunachal Pradesh . Nil Questfofc d6eS not arise. 7 Dadra & Nagar Haveli Nil Question does not arise. 8 Pondicherry . Nil Question does not arise.

Pttrefeafe eff NfcefmftapncslitD:! THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ Equipments from Japan TIONS (fjjfHRi BRIfr LAL VERMA): (a) Yes, Sir. 43196. DR. BALDEV PRAKASH: Win the Minister of COMMUNICA­ (bj arid (c). Otders have been plac­ TIONS be pleased to state: ed from time io time by the Govern­ ment of India With the Nippon Elec­ (a) whether a loan of $ 30 million tric Company and other Japanese was granted by* the Government of firms, as well as with other interna­ Japan for purchase of telecommunica­ tional companies on the basis of glo­ tion equipment from that country in bal tenders against World Bank cre­ 1977; dits. This has been done after eva­ luation by teams of technical and fin­ (b) is ijt true that the Ministry of ancial experts and after obtaining the Communications has a proposal to concurrence of the World Bank. place orders with Nippon Electric Co. Ltd. without callifig for global ten­ Now and then, purchases of addi­ ders; tional quantities of equipment have also been made at the same competi­ (c) is it a fact that orders worth tive prices as were accepted against crores of rupees were placed with World Bank credit. Nippon Electric Co. Ltd., without calling tenders in 19^4 and onwards; No purchase has been made frorh and the Nippon Electric Company except as out-lined above. (d) if so, why the usual practice of calling for tenders was abandoned in Proposals are under consideration case of Nippon Electric Co.? by Government for purchases o f 175 Written Answers JULY 21, 1977 Written Answers 176 equipment from firms in Japan against (S') TOT Jf cT«ff the Yen Credit at’ the same price as were accepted against World Bank ^t spiptt | Credit and which are competitive. (*r) (jt, 5ft OT3? TOT TfWPT Id) Does not arise. ?

Hise in Closures, Lay-Offs and ft^I iNt («ft Lock-Out in Maharashtra and :'(*>)'?»• (>r). hw<0 < Karnataka S W * % *Tf-3PT, 1976 if iPvrtfefhT 4397. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Jf ftirppT tfta W ill the Minister of PARLIAMEN­ ^■

4399. SHRI GOVINDA MUNDA: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND sttt ^ sfta qzz fe n FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: 'SfHT (a) whether there is any proposal to improve and fully equip the cancer 4398. 5WT9 ^ft^PT : wing of S.C.B. Medical College, Cut­ tot fir&r ^ srarrt ^ imt ^ »r tack during 1977-78; and ft? : (b) if so, details thereof? THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND (^r) tot frr^TT srft w r | ft? FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ NARAIN): (a) The Government of S|?> ?T

.Regional Provident Fund Commissio­ years* regular service in posts in the ner, Madhya Pradesh, Indore scale of Rs. 1500—1800 (revised) or equivalent under the Central or State 4400. SHRI PHOOL CHAND Governments. VERMA: Will the Minister of PAR­ LIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND LA­ In accordance with the recruitment BOUR be pleased to state: rules, the present incumbent was ap­ pointed to the post on promotion on (a) the prescribed qualifications for the recommendations of the Depart­ the post of Central Provident Fund mental Promotion Committee of Commissioner and whether the pre­ which a member of the Union Public sent incumbent of the post was ap­ Service Commission was the Chair­ pointed on the basis of these qualifi­ man. cations; (b) and (c). The required infor­ (b) the number of employees sus­ mation is being collected and will be pended, removed from service and placed on the Table of the Sabha in transferred within or outside the state due course. by the Regional Provident Fund Com­ missioner, Madhya Pradesh, Indore during the emergency and the reasons fas* * s m fa n hut for their transfer; and

(c) whether these employees have since been taken back in service in 4401. JJrtfsTO STOT* : TOT accordance with the policy of the pre­ Wsfl jj ^ fr*TT sent Government? fa : THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR (^ ) TOT 5ZTFT fWci*f if (SHRI RAVTNDRA VARMA): (a) According to the Employees’ Provi­ dent Fund Organisation (Commis­ <+t0 qw qft i *tzit ^ ftrcm sioners) Recruitment Rules, 1966 as MI ^ f f ir arfcsff % amended from time to time, the post ^ if if of Central Provident Fund Commis­ sioner in the scale of Rs. 2000—125/2— 2250 is required to be filled by pro­ ^ fdd mr ir z fr motion failing which by transfer on deputation. Departmental promotion ?r

Mm w* («ft fcjrrft %© ^ m m ^ ^ *nrWt) : (*) *», ^ 1 6 ^.1976 hh*ii ^rnNn^r ^rr % ?pt% % e r ^ ’ 3r w r f w qg- 3r ^■phnr i *• it ^nT^r % fif H»fwi «ft #1** %a ^ 3f?ft % VPW W *ff «TT : “ *fin $ ***1 ^TTT7 1 \$ t (^r) it© %o ^ ^ ^ ^ ff ^ WT % ^ fw mxhff ITT fif^uft «w i «ff tfTo ^ f r ^ VTTcf ^r ^!T wnrprv Hiwrr hPt5 *fTf TT^cT % ^ ^>T ^ 5 1 ^ tJ*F R ^ l ^ f^TT % ^RfW n fw r tt mv*&* f ^ r %^rr ^ ifTOT % W ^ ^ft S^T % q f w 'EftPF^T ^ 5^ fftr *?f ^srf^f % vft vrfttt ^ TT5T^ PTORT f^ t ^ % I w

FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RAJ (?j) fro^ft h<+k ^ s w m s m ^>t NARAIN): I n Unstarred Questio* No. ^nn, ^ rWI S1 TT 2800 put in the Lok Sabha on 7-7-1977, it was asked by Shri R. K. Mbedgt l 8 l Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 182- whether Central Government have pensaries and hospitals run by the urged tTTe^State Governments not to State Government.** charge any patients visiting hospitals for out-door treatment; if so, when (iv) Government of Punjab—“In the appeal was made; and the response Punjab Government Hospitals/dispen- thereon—Statewise. We have given saries/Primary Health Centres, a a negative reply with reference to all parchi fee @ 0.10 paisa is charged parts Of the Question. frotn the outdoor patients other than Government ^Servants and persons en­ However, the reply to part («0 of titled to free medical treatment. For the Question is actually in the affir­ poor people with no income of their mative. With reference to part (b), own the Medical Officer, in charge of it may be stated that an appeal was a hospital/dispensary/Primary Health made on the 4th of June, 1977. Centre,, had the discretion not to charge any parchi fee. This discre­ As regards part (c) of the Question tion is, however, limited to 10 per it may be stated that so far only cent of the attSfiftSnce for the day” . eight replies have been received from the State Governments/Union Terri­ (v) Government of Sikkim—“In the tories as under: — State of Sifcfthn no levy is being charged from patients visiting the (i) Goveramtent of Orissa—“No out-door depatrtoent of the various levy is being charged from patients State Hospitals. AH the treatment visiting Government hospitals clinics to the poor patients Is provided free for out-door treatment, nor is there of charge 'from the State funds” . any proposal at present for such levy”. (vi) Administration of Andaman and Nicobar islands—“At present no (ii) Government of Kamatafca— fee is being levied from out-door “In our State, patients are treated patients in so far as the hospitals/ free in Governfment-run hospitals, dispensaries ifi this Union Territory except in the eity of Bangalore where are concerned”. the referral system has been intro­ duced and where, in consequence, (vii) Government of Himachal Pra­ they are charged 25 paise per patient. desh—“In this State no fee is levied However, fEe Superintendents of the on the poor for their treatment. For hospitals have been given the discre­ exempting the other people from sueh tionary power to exempt the regis­ a levy, the matter is Under considera­ tration fee, if ^!fie patients are really tion of this Government”. poor and unable to pay”. (viiij Government of Rajasthan— (iii) Government of Gujarat—**In “Luckily in the GTovemment hospitals the State of Gujarat we have hot been of ftajasthan no such levy is charged charging any sueh fees in all the dis­ from the patients”. JULY 21, 1977 Felicitations Speaker 184

12.07 hrs. will know how to manage with thes£ pulls and pressures. ELECTION OF SPEAKER Being in the chair, Sir, I can tell MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The you that one should act only accord­ Question Hour is over and we are ing to what he feels is right accord­ now on the second subject of Motion ing to the practices in this Parliament for election of Speaker. Please take and what is good for democratic your seats now. functioning of the Parliament and Shri Morarji Desai may please move not be swayed "either by any subjec­ his motion. tive or political considerations. I am sure, Sir, that fti tfie~conduct of your THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI speakership, you will uphold all these MORARJI DESAI): Sir, I beg to traditions built up in this House. move: I now call upon the Leader of “That Shri K. S. Hegde, a mem­ the House, our Prime Minister, and ber of this House, be chosen as the the Leader of the Opposition,, to con­ Speaker of this House.” duct you to the chair. SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN The Leader of the House and the (Satara): I support the motion Leader of the Opposition conducted moved by the Prime Minister that Shri K. S. Hegde to the Chair. Shri K. S. Hegde be chosen as the Speaker of the House. 12.07 hrs. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question is: [M r . S p e a k e r in the Chair] “That Shri K S. Hegde, a mem­ FELICITATIONS TO THE SPEAKER ber of this House, be chosen as the Speaker of this House”. THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): Sir, may I take The motion was adopted. this opportunity. to say how happy we are and how fortunate we are in MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Before I having you as the Speaker of this ask the Leader of the House and the great House? You jhave shown re­ Leader of the Opposition to conduct markable intellectual integrity in all Shri K. S. Hegde to the Chair, I would the work that you have done and have like to congratulate Shri K. S. Hegde also left a distinct mark in the legal on his unanimous election as Speaker. world by making sacrifices, when re­ As far as I am concerned, he can be quired, without any hesitation. We sure of all the cooperation that is are also fortunate that not only you available and that should be given. have eminent judicial experience, but I can assure him that id the conduct of his speakership, he will find me a you have also “tKe experience of a legislator. Therefore, this happy very helping hand. combination of the twoa I am sure, This chair is not a very comfortable will convert this chair, which was chair, I can tell him. It is full of described as a chair of thorns, into thorns , one who sits on this chair has a chair of roses. Of course, the roses to sit virtually on a seat of thorns. are never without thorns, but those There are pressures, pulls and every thorns will not touch you, I have no other kind of thing from both sides doubt in my mincL of the House and when you are here, Mr. Hegde, as Speaker, you will have It is the Parliament, which is the to contend with all these pulls and repository of the majesty and sover­ pressures, but I am sure that having eignty of the people; particularly this been a judge and also a legislator and House is the repository of its ex­ with all your varied experience, you pressed will and the Speaker is the I&5 Felicitations ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) to Speaker iSS repository of the dignity, freedom and highest Bench in the country. Now- rights of not only the Parliament, but you have been chosen to another dis­ also of the Nation. And I have no tinguished office of the democratic doubt that all these three are safe in India and I think this is perhaps a your able hands. unique honour any citizen of India can aspire for. We have survived the onslaughts on democracy and we have come out Though you have held and sat on stronger in democracy which also im­ the Benches in the Judiciary, you are poses both facilities and difficulties, not a new person to the work of the facilities because now there will be legislature. Apart from your exper­ no question of^any undemocratic be­ ience of tfie last three months in this haviour on the part of any of us and House, I think you have got exper­ difficulties because passions and ex­ ience, for a longer period, as a Mem­ pectations have arisen as a result of ber of Parliament in the other House. suppression which may for some time Therefore, we are sure that we will create difficulties. But, I have 110 have not only the judicious approach doubt that with your wisdom and to the work that you will be taking sound judgment you will be able to but also you will have the political smoothen all those difficulties and find understanding of the problems and out a very nice way for every occa­ the political methods of dealing with sion. the political beings here, because, as I was telling the other day, the most I can only assure you not only on important thing for the Speaker is my behalf and on behalf of this side to deal WTtrTtne Members, reflecting but on behalf of the whole House with here the moods ol the country. We full confidence that we shall fully co­ have a responsibility to raise the pro­ operate in your work which 'h'jugh blems of the people here. Sometimes difficult but is most essential,, by giv­ they are pleasant and sometimes they ing you the fullest co-operation not are unpleasant,, but we have to do only in everything that y °u say and our duty and I can assure you that do but also by carrying out your direc­ we will certainly try to do that duty tions without raising even a murmur without any laxness. Even if it is or any dissent from them. unpleasant, we will have to do our duty. I again- felicitate you on occupying this Chair with 'full confidence that Hon. Deputy Speaker, while con­ the dignity and freedom of the nation gratulating you, has assured you that and also the Parliament are safe in he will be helpful to you. Now I your hands. will make a request to you to please be helpful to the Opposition. I have SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN said so, because if anybody needs any (Satara): It is a great occasion for protection in the House it is the Oppo­ you, Sir, and I think it is also an sition and, therefore, I am making occasion of happiness for us to con­ this appeal to you. I would not make gratulate you on your election to the such appeal to the Government. high office of Speakership. We will have to raise issues, argue You are not a new person to any with them, co-operate with them and high office because in your life, you if necessary confront with tham es have held very many important the occasion demands. It will go on. offices. I have personally had asso­ This is the democratic way of work­ ciation with yotTwHen you were tlje ing in this Hft&se. Naturally, you Chief Justice of Delhi High Court and will hold the scales even. I am sure I can say that I have the pleasant of that and I look forward with that memories of those associations and, confidence and in that hope. I assure later on, you were promoted to the you on my behalf and on behalf of" 187 Felicitations JULY 21, 1077 to Speaker 188

[Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan] for tension and turmoil, we will not this party sitting in Opposition that be able to do our duty. So, you are as far as your authority in the House becoming a Speaker at a time when is concerned, it will be respected with­ the situation outside is such where out any condition. As a judge, you the people’s mood,, their Remands and were judging others. Now in days to grievances, must get immediate reflec­ come and in months to come, the tion in the House so that some imme­ people of India will judge all of us diate remedy is achieved. including yourself as to how we are functioning m this Sovereign House Here the greatest consideration is because this House is the mirror of demanded of the Speaker so that the Indian life,. Indian people and Indian people’s voice is being properly re­ •democracy. I, therefore, consider you flected here. And that scope must be to be a very fortunate person to have given to the Mefnbers. That is why undertaken this onerous responsibility. your responsibilities are greater at a I wiBh you all good luck. time when the country is heading to­ wards further democratisation and the SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE old forces who were opposed to demo­

As far as wer are concerned, we thr^Mgout. That does not mean that would like to tel you very clearly that you v on’t speak at aU. You wiU apeak the present Government is very much and under your guidance many will interested in decentralising the powers speak. In the coujta you have had the and, at the same time, encourag­ experience of seeing only two advo­ ing the democratic forces in this cate, arguing one at a time and the country. I feel, Sir, that you will de­ other afterwards. Unfortunately, in centralize the powers here in this this House, there is a beautiful ex­ House also and see that Article 14 perience of five talking at the same is very well applied in this House and time and sometimes the Speaker has equal opportunities are given to Mem- the problem. We do not follow the bars in this august House as they language of the other Member, because have their responsibilty to their con­ wc come from the Southern State. stituencies. When I say that, I am not speaking in the concept of North and South. In So far as my Party is concerned, we this House the position is that some are the third largest Group in this of us who mostly come from the Sou­ House—we may be small in number thern States do not know Hindi or of 19—but, as you know, as a judge any other language except their you have expressed that it is not the mother-tongue. I appreciate at the number that counts but its the ideas same time, that you have great affec­ and qualities that count. When you tion and love for your mother-tongue were elevated to this Chair, I was and we hope you will speak in your really proud to see in this august mother-tongue. When you speak in House, the Leader of the Opposition, your mother-tongue/you must realise Shri Chavan expressed or gave his that we too have affection and love to­ views that you ceased to be a politi- wards our mother-tongue. But, un­ ciar and when you occuPied the Chair fortunately, Hindi is not our mother- here, he made a remark that you con­ tongue and we cannot follow that. tinue to be a politician there too! I Just one hour back the Health was happy that a judge is also a poli­ Minister was answering a certain tician. The only thins is that he question in Hindi. I was really should not be a politician while deli­ admiring that. He was making a jest vering judgment. in Hindi. But, unfortunately, I could not follow a single joke of his to-day. So, I was happy that you continue I do not hlame the? translation. I to be a politician. But, I am sure you, myself sometimes speak fast but the as Speaker, will continue to be a judge speed at which he sPeaks nobody can politician also. This is a happy combi­ translate. I understand that he was nation which can do good to this very humorous. Humour is good for House. I am reminded of my arguments health and that too when it comes in a court—I do not want to name from the Health Minister. We want that particular judge—where that this humour also to come to us. So particular judge was speaking thro­ I take this opportunity while felicitat­ ughout; there, as advocates, when we ing you that you please see to it that address, the judges are supposed to most of us on this side are given an listen. But, in that court, the judge opportunity, not of time but I feel of was speaking throughout and he was understanding and expressing our not allowing Ug to speak. I said that views which can contribute to the this wap the first occasion that I had progress and welfare of the nation. come across wherein the arguments, So, Sir, once again on behalf of my were not permitted to be placed by party and Members I felicitate you. the advocates whereas , the judge was pressing his arguments and imposing At the same time I may spy, Sir, the judgement on me. The term Spea­ tfcat ma^y of u$ are quite young. ker suggests that you won't speak UxtforiiiQ^tely, thirteen of us are 191 Felicitations JULY 21, 1977 to Speaker 192

[Shri A. Bala Pajanor] ly enjoy their speeches. Translation advocates and we feel we are well arrangements require to be improved. qualified also. So, our request to you, Sir, is that please give us correct 1 am quite sure that as far as you time and opportunity to express our are concerned, you may not have time views. and other things. But we have^ absolutely no doubt that you will have Sir, I have read a great number of a judicial mind in your observations. your judgements. You have held that I congratulate you once again. high office with great dignity and also laid down your office in the correct SHRI K. RAGHU RAMIAH spirit. I congratulated you even at (Guntur): Sir, I am very grateful to tha*. time. Before the Bar Association you for having given me this oppor­ of Madras High Court I spoke high tunity of adding my „own rose to the of you. Sir, men of integrity some bouquet which has been given to you time lack courage. But I think at that by the Leader of the House and the time you stood up and had taken the Leader of the Opposition. May I say, position with courage. I appreciate as Mr Chavan has said that the Op­ the Prime Minister for having select­ position needs protection but if there ed you and it is a unanimous choice is one sector that needs protection of the whole House. more than any, it is independent Members. And We deserve it too SHRI M. N. GOVTNDAN NAIR because we are not a party to any (Trivandrum): Sir, I congratulate pulls and pressures stated by the you on behalf of n>y party for your hon. Deputy Speaker. We will be unanimous election. You have been good members and well behav­ a Member of this House for the last ed Sir, a reference has been tew weeks and you were also in the made to your experience as judge and Rajya Sabha earlier. Therefore, you as a politician. May I say, having are very well familiar with the way had the privilege of knowing you per­ in which those two Houses are func­ sonally over the years, that you have tioning. Whether we call it a Chair also a third quality? It is said that a of roses or thorns probably it depends Speaker does not require a rare qua­ on the mental attitude one takes. lity, but he requires a common quality Since you are a renowed Judge, we in a rare measure, that is common expect from you a judicial treatment. sense. And that you have in abun­ One thing about the judges is that dance. I am sure that will stand you they should hear the arguments of in good stead in making your seat a all sides and as long as that quality seat of dignity coupled with justice. is there in you we believe that we Now, everyone knows, at least those will get ample opportunity to express who have studied the history of Spea­ ourselves. And, Sir, when the House kers in the world, that in American gets so hot that no body will under­ system, the Speaker is supposed to stand what other people are saying have more power than prestige. In you will kindly intervene and see the British system, the Speaker is that normalcy is restored. So; I am supposed to have more prestige than quite sure that your experience as power. I hope when your term ends judge for the last 20 years will stand we would tell of you that you have in good stead in functioning as made the office of Speaker in this Speaker Qf the House. Your integrity country an office of powerful prestige. and ability is well-known throughout the country. Two more things I would like to mention here. One is that whetever May I also say a word about the your personal views and predictions language difficulty. Of course, we prior to the elevation to the Chair, arc enjoying the feats of most of our might have been towards men and friends from that side as most of matters, I am sure hereafter you them get heated. At that time I quiet. will render even justice to one and 193 Felicitations ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) to Speaker 194

all. As one of the senior Members f stand and has sent you here. We feel of this House, I hope it may not be proud that you are occupying this impertinent of me if I quote a few august chair. You are now going to words from the observations of presi­ regulate the proceednigs of this high­ dent, Patel, on the office of Speaker. est law making body in this country. He said. Its power and sovereignty as stated by Mr. Chavan has been over emphasis­ “Anyone who aspires to fill this ed by abrogating the supremacy of the great office with any hope of success judiciary, barring any constitutional must lay aside all that is personal, amendments from judicial review and ail that is of party, all that savours slammmg the door of the High Court cl political prediliction and learn for redress for any other purpose to subordinate everything to the under article 226 of the Constitution. great interests of the House as a As you know the legislature, judicia­ whole. Not that it is possible for' ry and the executive are the three anyone to divert himself so com- main pillars on which the edifice of peletly of the influence of his poli­ democracy stands. If any pillar is tical associations and the teachings weakened the entire edifice will fall. of a lifetime. He may have his We independent members, however political opinions, he may retain insignificant we may be in number, tnem; he may have his prejudices; at times do contribute to the proceed-' but in his general decisions and in ings of the House and I request that his treatment of individual Mem­ you should give more time so that bers no trace of them should find we could have our say. With these any place.” words, I join the sentiments and feli­ citations that have' been offered to I am quite sure you will follow this. you from all sides. In the end, Sir, I may remind you, and you might recollect that of what one SHRI GEORGE MATHEW (Mu vat- hcnb'le lady Member sitting behind tupuzha): On behalf of the Kerala me in this central row remarked once Congress Parliamentary group and “ Mr. Speaker. Sir, you always look to myself I congratulate you on being the right and left. Why don’t you elected to this exalted office. You are look straight? I hope you will kindly new to this office but you are well remember this. known as an. eminent and fair minded SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi): Mr. judge. Your experience in the Supreme Speaker, Sir, we all feel proud that Court as a judge will surly help you to you have occupied the Chair of this become a great Speaker. I think the House with the unique distinction controversy over the role of the Su­ with a combination of vast experience preme Court and Parliament as re­ boib in the Legislature and in the gards their supremacy has somewhat country’s highest forum of justice. Sir, been settled by your election as you were a victim of injustice while Speaker of this House. in the Supreme Court, as a result of an executive fiat. In the highest tra­ You have fought for your rights dition oi public life, you resigned and at the Supreme Court and I am sure exposed to the world to which way you will understand when we the our country has been drifting and to small groups in Parliament fight for what limit nepotism can go. our rights. Recognised state parties like our? hardly get a chance to ex> It is a corollary to dictatorship. You press our independent views. Though showed the beginning of the end. we are small in number, I think we Though we were in the Opposition at have our importance when matters that time, we expressed our resent­ of our State come up here. Please ment but our resentment was drown­ be good enough to give us a patient ed in the noise of the majority. The hearing especially when matters of electorate has fully vindicated your our State, Kerala, come up for dis~ 1676 LS—7. 195 Felicitations JULY 21, 1977 to Speaker 196

[Sfifci G eorge Math ew ] but. if I may say go, to parliamentary democracy in this country. cussion. I hope you will "lave a soft All of them have been good Speak­ corner for us, the small groups in Parliament. ers. Some of them have been out­ * 1 standing and a few have also been I have nothing much to add now. world-famous. I am quite sure that Finally I want to extend to you on you will also add to that great lustre behalf of my party and myself our which is there in the Chair. Your fullest cooperation and wish you aU experience as a former Judge should success. of course, come as a great support. But I am quite sure you know that it SHRI P. G- MAVALANKAR (Gan­ is one thing to be a judge of the dhinagar): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I deem Supreme Court but quite another to it cl great privilege to congratulate you be Speaker of this House. But with and feliciate you most respectfully your tact, ability, competence and and warmly on your occupying the parliamentary experience, I am sure honourable and historic Chair in this you will make a good Speaker. House. Your unanimous choice today reflects a mood of unity in the midst ThlMqualities of impartiality and of acute differences and I think it, fairplay, and particularly the quali­ augurs well for this House in the ties of tact, vision, consideration and days, weeks and months ahead. The courtesy which I am sure you will fact that you have been elected Un­ reflect in your sayings and doings in animously and so warmly will also this House will greatly assist the de­ help solve the problems that we may liberations of this august and free encounter. It is also pleasant to see House of India’s democratic republic. how you were led from your seat—I We all in this House and outside in was glad, incidentally, that a little public life need the qualities of in­ before 12 O’ clock you left this row dependence, integrity and impartiali­ and went further—by the hon. Lead­ ty. But if there is any one person er of the House, the Prime Minister who needs it to the utmost extent, and the hon. Leader of the Opposi­ it is perhaps your good self—the hon. tion. It was very pleasant to see both Speaker—because your office is pivo­ of them taking you to the Chair. tal in parliamentary democracy. We When you seemed hesitant to go and are happy that that pivotal and cru­ when both the Prime Minister and cial role is going to be played by an the Leader of the Opposition gently eminent jurist, a distinguished par­ and persuasively pushed you to the liamentarian and above all a greal Chair, I was reminded of the tradi­ humanist and a gentleman. tion in the British House of Commons With these words, I congratulate where this institution had functioned for centuries. The Speaker of the you once again. I do not need tc say that the independent voice and House, although he wants to go free voice, wherever it comes from, there, hesitates to go there because it will never be stifled or’ suppressed is a seat which requires so many by the Speaker. With these words qualities and it has so many res­ I offer you my sincere congratulations ponsibilities to discharge. It lh the highest office that we Mem- SHRI A. E. T. BARROW (Nominat beri’ of this House can afford to give ed—Anglo-Indians): Sir, my speed to any one of us. The fact that you will be brief but my happiness a are otte 0f us makes us respect you your election shall not be brief. Yoi d love you and give you our loyal­ stand upon the threshold of a ne^ ty and support. Many distinguished office, a new office to which yo predecessors of yours in this Chair have been chosen unanimously by tfc have added dignity and respect not members Of this House because of yoi on ly to the Chair and to this House great wisdom, your integrity and yoi 197 Felicitations ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) to Speaker

sence of responsibility to guide and In conclusion, I once again' extend sustain the work of this House. My my felicitations to you as Speaker of prayer and plea to the members is the House and seek your guidance this: May we. use the lamp of your and instruction, go that we can also wisdom to light the path of our deli­ contribute our mite for the formula­ berations! tion of this great country and de­ fending parliamentary democracy. SHRI TRIDIB tJHAUDHURI (Berhampore): Sir, on behalf of my small group, I rise to congratulate SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR you and associate myself with the (Quilon): Sirt as an independent sentiments that have been expressed member, let me also raise my feeble here when you assume the august voice to felicitate you. I have been office of Speaker. It is a good augury a member of this House for 21 .years that the office of the Presiding Officer and* in spite of that, I cannot under­ of this august House has come to be stand anything spoken by the other selected or elected unanimously by side. Perhaps it may be due to my consensus and I think that points to a prejudice regarding the imposition of good future. With these words, 1 Hindi on the south and on me. Any­ congratulate you once again. how, I cannot understand it. I re­ quest you to permit me to place be­ SHRI CHITTA BASU {Barasat): fore you that when questions of langu­ Sir, I rise to join the Leader of the age came up, in the past, this House Houie, the Leader of the Opposition used to a rush through and hustle the and other hon. member in conveying opposition. As a matter of fact, I my feelings of felicitation to you on myself had the sad experience of this great occasion of your assumption breaking the doors of the Parliament of the office of Speakership of this lobby because the parliamentary great House. You as Speaker occupy practice of opening the doors and lett­ a very important position in the ing out and letting in*'people for notional life of our country, which has every voting was not followed. They choien this Parliament to be one of wanted to rush through the whole the principal instruments in bringing thing. But thanks to members on about social change and economic free­ both sides, a privilege motion against dom. Naturally, as Speaker, you also me wag not taken up and I was not occupy an important position in fram­ punished. But I hope under you r ing that policy which leads us to that able guidance, this sensitive problem goal. You would also permit me to will get sufficient attention from you, mention at this stage that the last s0 as not to compel people like me— Lok Sabha election and the Vidhan I am an old man now; younger people Sabha elections which have been re­ have come in—to resort to such cently held have brought out unmis­ things. I once again offer my con­ takably a phenomenon, namely, that gratulations to you. there is plurality in our political life of today. Plurality of the political forces has become a reality in our MR. SPEAKER; Some members of country. That phenomenon of plura­ the ruling party and some members lity is bound to be reflected in this of the opposition parties have aLso sent their names but I am told there House, because we rePr©sent 0ne of the single units 0f the plural identity. is no convention to do it- I am sorry Naturally, as a member of the For­ I will not be able to call upon them ward Bloc, a tiny group in this big to speak. august House, I would expect that you should also see that the plurality Hon. Members, I sincerely thank which has been accepted by the comi- you for bestowing your confidence in try should also be respected in croe me by unanimously electing me to way under your guidance in this big this high office. I am overwhelmed House. by the very kind words that have been 199 Felicitations JULY 21,. 1977 to Speaker zoo

[Mr. S p e a k e r ] standing in furtheing the common spoken of me by the Leader of the endeavour and in maintaining a House, the Leader of the Opposition climate of cordiality and mutual res­ and the leaders of various groups and ponsiveness in this House, 'So that our other hon. members. I sftall endeav­ proceedings may become a construc­ our to deserve them. tive exercise in realising our substan­ tive goal of a democratic people and Form now 0nwards$ I belong to the a better life for the common man. whole House and every section of the House has a claim on me. I request your willing cooperation; understand­ The role of a Member of Parliament ing, and if I may ask, even your in­ during Question Hour is very import­ dulgence sometimes, but above aU ant. It is an instrument to control your firm support t0 preserve and the working of the Government. We sustain the Chair’s authority, not be­ have to enlarge the scope of that role cause it is desirable but because it and make it more effective. Hence, represents your collective will. Today I propose to call a meeting of the you have constituted rge as the leaders of parties and groups at an guardian of the rights of the House. early date t0 consider how we can I assure one and all of you that I will achieve that objective. make no distinction between a mem­ ber and a member between. a party and a party and between a region Our rules 0f procedure were fram­ and a region. I chal] hold the balance ed 25 years back. The functions of even. I shall discharge my duties Parliament were also conceived at the without fear or favour, affection or same time. The period is a fairly ill-will. My past record as a Judge is long period for a fast-moving society. a guarantee for this assurance.J) All of us desire to make Parliament an effective instrument for achieving This i*3 the occasion when I look to the socio-economic revolution, a task the traditions of the House and beyond that brooks no delay. Therefore, it it. We had eminent Speakers like may be necessary for us to consider Shri Vithalbhai Patel, whose portrait what changes we should make in our is here before us to inspire us. We rules of procedure and method of had equally eminent Speakers like functioning. This is a big task and it Shri Mavalankar and not the least of calls for co-operation of all the sec­ all, his successors including my im­ tions of the people. mediate predecessor, Dr. Reddy. Let us alj march together from progress to progress and let this Parliament be May I, once again, express my grate­ a model for others. Let us try to ful thanks to all of you for the great achieve the dream of the greatest man honour you have done me by electing of this century, Gandhiji. God help me unanimously? I assure you of us in this direction. The task you my unfailing devotion and loyalty to have entrusted to me is full of diffi­ the service of this House? Jai Hind. culties. It is a challenging one. I am proud of the fact that you chose me to meet this challenge. I am sure SHRI R. MOHANARANGAM with your cooperation, I will surmount (Chengalapattu); Sir, on a point of all difficulties. clarification. Though you, I would, like to say a few words. I am conscious of the fact that my lack of proficiency of Hindi is a handi­ MR SPEAKER: I am sorry, this is cap for the efficient discharge of my not 4he occasion for that. I w ill. give duties. But I am determined to make you another occasion. good that deficiency soon. I would be needing your goodwill and under­ 2,01 Annual Report ASADHA *30, 1999 (SAKA) of U.G.C. 202

12.53 hrs. on your elevation as Speaker. It is a matter for pride not only for Karna­ BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE taka but for the entire country. I T h ir d R e po r t wish you all success.

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ When I was speaking on this very TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR important .subject, my hon. friend, {SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA): I beg Shri Mavalankar interjected me. to present the Third Report of the Business Advisory Committee. The other day I was referring to the functioning of the Business Man­ SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH agement Institute at Bangalore. The SION FOR 1975-76— Contd. naturally air-conditioned city, but Rs. 3.35 lakhs have been spent there on air-conditioing the residence and MR. SPEAKER: We will now take office, and Rs. 2,771 have beeri paid as up further consideration of the Annual rent to a building without occupying Report of the University Grants Com­ it. Rs. 1.3 lakhs have been advanced to mission Shri Lakkappa will continue the landlord, and_Rs. 8,000 has been his speech.. charged as brokerage; Rs. 2.32 lakhs have Tpeen paid for a temporary build­ SHRI K; LAKKAPPA (Tumkur) ing and rented premises; whiV?) the Mr. Speaker, Sir,- this is * good op­ actual cost is only one-third of this portunity tor me to congratulate you amount. 203 Annual Report JULY 21, 1977 of U.G.C. 204

[Shri K. Lakkappa] MOTION RE. REPORT OF UNIVER­ SITY GRANTS COMMISSION, 1975- Is there any piovision that has been 76-Contd. made by you for distribution of liquor? Their liquor and entertainment charg­ SHRI K. LAKKAPPA (Tumkur): es come to Rs. 59,000. There are three Mr. Chairman, Sir, yesterday, I was guest houses and a huge expenditure referring to the corruption prevailing is incurred on them. On the plea in the Indian Institute of Management, that the doctor is not available, re­ Bangaloe. Of course, I was not cast­ imbursement is made merely on the ing any aspersion 0n the present basis of a certificate signed by Mr. Minister. But, I think, he has seen Ra^naswamy. His steno spent Rs. the situation prevailing there and I 1900/- on cigarettes. Mr. Morarji Desai hope that he would take all possible is very much opposed to smoking. precautions and measures to remove There is a tax on bidi, tobacco &nd this corruption. Previously, he was cigarettes. But th5s gentleman is also doing something about it. iKn freely indulging in these things. All enquiry was ordered against the the money has been spent on liquor Director of that Institute. ln ordbi to and cigarettes. The Director’s secre­ cover up that enquiry the person who tariat consists of 12 people. Furnishing was holding that enquiry, his daughter his residence i.e bed-spreads have was offered a seat in the MBBS cost Rs. 4600/-. Items worth lakhs of course in tlje Institute. Therefore, the rupees have been purchased without enquiry was washed away. So, such quotations. There is a fleet of Ford things are prevailing in the education cars. Where is the necessity for Ford institutions. cars? There are jeeps, mini-buses, 2- wheelers and auto-rickshaws and In order to enable that Institute to what not. run smoothly, certain guidelines have to be issued. Why can you not take MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Lakkappa, how it over under the UGC’s control? Why much more time are you likely to should there not be a separate body take? for this because a lot of public money is being wasted? Useful suggestions have been made in the Report of the SHRI TC. LAKKAPPA: I had re­ UGC, including that of bringing nor­ quested for half-an-hour. malcy and discipline in the institu­ tions. If at all anything that has been MR. SPEAKER: You will have 5 done by the previous Government is more minutes. The House now stands that a certain amount of discipline was brought in 1975-76. Certain radi­ adjourned for lunch, yre will re-as­ cal reforms have been suggested. semble at 2 o’ clock. These reforms shoulg reflect the so­ cio-economic conditions prevailing in this country. 13.02 hrs.

The L°k Sabha adjourned for* lunch This country should be able to justify the type of education that we till Fourteen of the Clock. require. In this connection, I would The Lok Sabha reassembled after like to invite your attention to the universities which are in States. We Lunch at Five Minutes past Fourteen have to understand the purpose of <*ir t>f the Clock. education and then a comprehensive programme has to be drawn up through universities. Nowadays, we [Shri Truhb Chaudhuri in the Chair}. have been 9eeipg that there is no aim 20$ Annual Report ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) of U.G.C. 206

and object for which they are com. They have further said: ing uP and absolutely there is no sanctity attached to them. There are “In your manifesto you have pro­ no norms, no guidelines have been mised ‘the right to recall’. Please in­ proposed. The administration is not troduce it immediately. Failing to running propefrly. I quite appreciate comply with this request, the Chatra the eminent persons who head the Sangharsh Sarmt.i will give a call to UGC. " the youth and students of this coun­ try to paralyse the functioning of My friend on the other side was this Government talking about the Card-holder. I strongly protest against this. That is not the sP^it in which the Janata Not only this, they have demanded Party is expected to talk. I think Pre»sident’s rule in Bihar. This is the even the Janata Party, those who situation about the student community supported the so-called total revolu­ 800 doctors have been arrested and tion, know how the students in Bihar detained without assigning any reason. are treated by the present Govern­ ment. It is very shocking. I have MR. CHAIRMAN; Please try to received a copy of a letter written to conclude. the Home Minister, Mr. Charan Singh, about the conditions of the students in SHRI K. LAKKAPPA; Sir, I come Bihar. They have narrated their to the affiliated colleges. In my State story in this letter earnestly and there are a number of such colleges* frankly. It is said in the Memoran­ engineering colleges and medical col­ dum: leges which are run by the private people and which are affiliated to the “THE HUNDRED DARKEST University. Is there any check or DAYS IN ANTT REGIME SINCE control over them, over the malpr­ INDEPENDENCE. actices prevailing there? There is the capitation fee. There is the stu­ “It is .shocking and surprising dents’ unrest. Even in educational that the Januta Party which cham­ institutions para-military organisations pioned for freedom and which are operating. Parochial, communal claimed that freedom is there for and all sorts of chauvinistic tendenci­ people and in particular youth es have been engineers through these which stood by you in bad days----- institutions which are controlled and Please do not forget this, you can patronised by one community. That never suppress the student com­ is why I have brought a Bill for aboli­ munity in this country. In your tion of caste system in the country. hundred days you have not protect­ Bihar, Uttar Pradesh and even my ed the journalists and the Harijans, State are an^ong the caste-ridden labour has been shot dead for de­ States. Under these circumstances, manding their rights and now you how can you bring about the so-called have arrested 800 doctors in Bihar. total revolution which you are talk­ ing about? It is very necessary that the parochial atmosphere and the This is in Bihar wRere Janata Party is in power. My friend, Mr. Karpoori tendencies which are regional in char­ acter should be done away with. In Thakur is the Chief Minister there, educational institutions, para-military and under the very nose of Mr. Charan organisations should not be encourag­ Singh, these things are happening 800 ed. What happened in the Banaras doctors have been arrested in Bihar. Hindu University? There was a stu­ The memorandum farther says: dent unrest. This giving of political “We demand withdrawal of all patronages and commercialisation of tbe capes against doctors re­ universities should be' stopped. The lease torn £ail within ihree days.” Universit7 Grants Commission has Annual Report JULY 21, 1977 of U.G.C. 208

[Shri K. Lakkappa] time, if you want to give other gui­ made certain suggestions. On the delines for revamping and restructur­ basis of those suggestions, I wan: to ing the whole atmosphere of the Uni­ know, whether the present Govern­ versity, it can be done: it is very ment’ is thinking of giving any guide­ necessary that new dynamic guide­ lines about the quality of education, lines should be issued by the Janata about the (standard of education, Government about bringing discipline among stu­ dents and about appointing good pro­ I hope the Minister will do all that fessors and lecturers. In affiliated this necessary. With these words, 1 colleges, lecturer belonging to their conclude. own community have been appointed. You can make an inquiry into that. PROF. DILIP CHAKRAVARTY All these things are there. There (Calcutta South): I consider that in have been political appointments of laying the Annual Report of the U.G.C. Vice-Chancellors. Whether the pre­ and making any submission o.i the Uni­ vious Government did it or whether versity Grants Commission as a very you are doing it, it matters little. We useful body, mention must be made of do not agree with that sort of thing. the services rendered by Shri C. D. Freedom in the academic sphere is Deshmukh and Prof. D. S. Kothari. very necessary; that free atmosphere is very necessary. I have to draw the attention of the House to our previous performance. It The Kothari Commission’s report seems to me, as a teacher, that educa­ has been by-passed. Nothing has tion, teachers and students often seem come out so far. Will the Minister to be a forgotten factor—and this can say something on that? be applied to the previous House which did not discuss the Annual Re­ Another point is about the weaker port of the UGC for the years 1973-74 section^ of this country. They are and 1974-75 and did not discuss the having a dual standard in education. University Grants Commission’s The people belonging to the weaker affairs at all for the whole year of sections do not get justice. Only the 1976. Of course, this is what can be affluent cla.ss get admission in the expected of the Indira Government: universities. Universities should be Possibly they were too busy propagat­ established in the rural areas. There ing to the world outside that Loka- has been a mushroom growth of uni­ manya Jayaprakash Narain and others versities only in big cities. What will who were put behind bars were trai­ happen if you start universities in tors and they had therefore no time rural areas? By starting universities to apply their mind to the problems in rural areas, you can encourage the of teachers, the Universities and the Harijans, minorities and other people students. belonging to the weaker sections. Can you show me one university where a Section 12 of the University Grants . Harijan is the Vice-Chancellor? Commission Act suggested, amongst the functions of the Commission (in fact, these are the major functions) I would therefore respectfully sub­ the promotion and coordination of mit that the hon. Minister, who is a University Education and determina­ new Minister, Should not play a tion and maintenance of standards of ‘Padmanabha’ role (that is, of help­ teaching, examination and research in lessness) in the Ministry but should the Universities. If one looks at the take a dynamic attitude and make a functioning of the Universities in this dynamic approach and see that the country, there are tWo types of univer­ guidelines which are there are mer­ sities in our midst. A large number cilessly implemented. At the same of them happen to be State Uiiiversi- 209 Annual Report ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) of U.G.C. 210

ties and the others are Central Uni­ the competent ones among them, to versities. If one goes deep into the serve upto the age of 65 years. No problem and considers the per capita amount of persuasion could work 'expenditure on students in the State with either the University Grants and the Central Universities, one Commission or the Union Ministry of would find an appalling discrimina­ Education including the then Minister tion going on in educational matters in of Education, Shri Prof. Nurul Hasan this country for the last 30 years. No __I will come to him later—who was steps have ever been taken nor, I be­ always talking of maintaining stand­ lieve, ever been suggested by the for­ ards. They could never listen to the mer government to remove the dis­ logic of the situation. Even in the parities between the State and Central case of teachers who were recognised Universities. I consider that the UGC as good teachers and who had proved and also the Government of India, in beneficial to the students., the tenure the Ministry of Education, should ap­ of their services was cut to the tune ply their mind to this situation. The of five years. University Grants Commission’s latest v pay-scales are supposed to be in ope­ I would also like to point out the ration in this country since January 1, plight of the teachers amidst us who 1973—of course it was delayed by the were political sufferers and freedom Union Ministry of Education and they fighters. In many of the Government could announce it only two years after departments as also Public Undertak­ the recommendations were submitted ings, persons who were political suffer­ to the Government of India— but even ers are given an extra benefit of time today many States are yet to accept in their respective jobs upto a maxi­ these new pay-scales. Some States mum period of five years. This has, have already accepted them but only however, not been done in the case of in principle and just a few of the teachers all over India in spite of our States in Indie have started imple­ repeated reminders both to the Uni­ menting the same. versity Grants Commission as well as to the Union Ministry of Education. I You will be surprised to hear that would request the hon. Minister for the teachers of Assam were sent to Education to consider this aspect of jail for demanding the implementation the problem also. of the UGC pay-scales as accepted by the Government of India. Some of I would now like to touch on the them had to spend more than two point of security of service of teachers years in jail. Prof. Ajit Sharma, who and non-teaching staff. It is only in wa.s my co-worker, while laying the three States in India where the State foundation of the Assam College Tea­ Governments have enacted legislation chers Association, was in jail long be­ concerning security of service. Though fore the emergency and he could come these are defective legislations, y*et out only in February, 1977. What was there are legislations in three States his crime? He had demanded the including West Bengal. I would sug­ implementation of the University gest that similar legislations should Grants Commission scales as recom­ come into being in all the States of mended by the Government of India India, if we really mean business, if for the teachers of Assam. The situa­ we really desire that the teachers tion was allowed to deteriorate. This should give of their best to the young- was the position in many States, not men under their care. only in Assam. While considering or recommend­ As regards the recommendations ing the pay-scales for teachers, the themselves, while making these recom­ University Grants Commission along mendations for the new scales, they with the pnion Ministry for Educa­ made certain innovations. While giv- tion were required to consider the pay- ' ing some financial benefits^ they took scales for Librarians and Physical In­ away the right of the teachers, even structors, but out appeals to them in 211 Annual Report JULY 21, 1977 of U.G.C. 212

[Prof. Dilip Chakravarty] ment were revised. That is an old the past have failed to elicit a clear- story. I need not repeat and waste cut positive recommendation uptil now my time and the time of the House. of new pay-scales concerning the Lib­ Now, regarding the management of rarians and Physical Instructors. private colleges, these colleges are there all over the country. There is Further, Sir, it is appalling to note one college at least the authorities of that there are States, where the Uni­ which spoilt more than a crore of versity Grants Commission pay-scales rupees. There are colleges like that which were announced as early as spread all over the country. Inquiries 1957 have yet to be implemented and in depth must be undertaken so that vhe teachers are always in arrears in we can know and really change the getting their dues. There are teachers, situation. While the teachers, and who do not receive their salaries re­ educational workers and the non-tea­ gularly. I believe the teachers are ching staff are allowed to starve, there the only lot in 0Ur midst ■who go with­ are persons who, by taking advantage out receiving their monthly pay pack­ of the great traditions of some of our ets regularly. It is no good to suggest institutions, have become academic that people are not aware of these traders. They are neither educa­ problems, but as we think of the sol­ tionists nor academicians. They deal diers only in time of war we think of with academic trading. This should the teachers only at the time of- con­ be given a go-by as the teachers can­ vocations. Now, one more day has not live merely on a diet of promises. been added, that is, the 5th September, the birthday of our ex-President, Shri There is a lot of corruption and Radhakrishan. On that day we invite wastage in the field of education, not to distressed teachers, demonstrate emanating from the teachers nor from them from the dais and offer them the students but from a class of peo­ some pittance of Rs. 500 or Rs. 1000. ple, specially interested in exploiting I would submit to the House education, without d6ing anything for —create a situation sq that not a single education. teacher is called upon to come for Now, I would point out to the con­ this type of begging. I remember a ditions of one of our oldest universi­ tussle with one of the former Educa­ ties in India. That is the Calcutta tion Ministers of India. I had come University. You are aware that the with 10,000 teachers on the streets of Calcutta University caters to one-tenth Delhi demonstrating and demanding of our student population in the coun­ new pay-scales in the year 1966. I try. The total student population at was told that teachers should not give the moment will be around 24 lakhs or expression of their protests through a little more than that. The student demonstration as this might lead to population for which the University of indiscipline. I reminded the then Calcutta caters is more than 2,30,000. Union Education Minister that a tea­ A few years ago, on behalf of the cher who fails to protest against University of Calcutta, we came in wrongs done is a teacher who is not a (imputation to the University Grants fit to educate our young hopefuls, is Commission and also the then gov­ not fit to instil character in them. We ernment. A committee was formed are not supposed merely to teach on with the concurrence Of the Govern­ the basis of the syllabii proposed but ment of India, Ghani Committee alsQ to teach something else and that which went into the problems of the this protest demonstration was in the University of Calcutta. Now, some­ context of a -firm written commitment thing remains to be done both from by the then Government of India that Ihe s£$e of the University Grants Com­ the pay-scales pf teachers would he re­ mission as also from the side of the vised. It Fas not done on the plea of XJniq^ Ministry of Education. Other­ insufficiency pf iuads. At the saijae wise, we cannot stop this morass time, the p«*y-scaJes of Clasp I adminis­ yhjch 19 jiow enveloping the Univer- trative serviqe-iioI4ers in the £OY*rn- «£ €&bcuJtf,

[Prof. Dilip Chakravarty] he was lamenting and asked: where- known as College Committee. I was from the finance would flow? made a Member of the College Com­ It was not this Government which mittee and I had the honour to attend introduced this scheme; it was not this only one meeting—the first meeting Government which promised large of the College Committee. Myself financial allocations to the States. along with some others raised the Many times the former Deputy Minis­ question of extending the benefits of ter, Shri Arvind Netam both inside the C.O.S.I.P. to Humanities also in colle- House as well as outside promised -ges all over the country. And that large allocations from time to time was one of the recommendations but and promised that large funds would ithe College Committee never met for be available to the States if they only the second time. This is wastage of agreed to the introduction of the new public money. There were many pattern. But, now, we are already in more recommendations which, I be­ the midst of it. The hon. Minister of lieve, were never considered. I wish Education can suggest how to get out .to draw the attention of the hon. of this. Minister and, through him, to the U.G.C. Where there are many excellent MR. CHAIRMAN: I want to tell officers who have had many problems you one thing. Here I have many and, possibly they would like-to do names with me. But, I am placed many things if they were permitted with a difficulty. The Business Advi­ to do them. That is how things move. sory Committee recommended the At least there are certain aspects of time for four hours for the discussion the problem under their charge. of this Report of the U.G.C. We have now nearly exhausted the balance cf I started by saying that the students time. . Also the Minister has to reply. along with their teachers seemed to be He has indicated that he will require forgotten factor; the U.G.C. tried to about 45 minutes. do something to help our students in­ cluding the weaker sections amongst SHRI VAYALAR RAVI; (Chirayin- them. I know it. But, the same k il): You can extend the time. should be strengthened. Otherwise PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR no real benefit can accrue t0 the stu­ (Gandhinagar): May I make a small dents. submission to the House? When the Sir, it is.interesting to note that my discussion on the report of the U.G.C. friends from the opposite side were was going on, unfortunately it was in­ angry. On the last occasion, when our terrupted by a number of other things Finance Minister stated that the State and so, we could not have a sustained, Governments squandered away Rs. 400 good and continuous debate. This is crores all over the country. And they an important debate. And if, the became angry when my friend Dr. whole House agrees we may extend it Subramaniam Swamy pointed out to upto 5 O’Clock. I hope the Govern­ them that during the emergency or ment will be agreeable^ this being an during the Indira regime, it had made important subject. little economic progress. Prof. Hasan SHRI K. S. CHAVDA (Patan): Sir, spoke on the U.G.C. last time as Edu­ cation Minister on Gth August 1975. He the House Committee has already fixed four hours for discussion of this re­ said that he supported the report of port of the U.G.C. If he wishes of the U.G.C. and informed that the rate of admission of students has outstrip­ the House are to extend this by half- an-hour, that can be done. ped the rate of economic growth which was very slow. When Mr. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: No, Sathe from that side Yesterday tried No. We want more time for this. to make out his case there was objec­ tion to the introduction of the new SHRI K. S. CHAVDA: Or else, pattern* of education (104-2-f3) and fortyflve minutes can be given. 217 Annual Report 'ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) of U.G.C. 218 THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION country today. I know that some SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE have-nots get a chance for school (DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- education but if you take the figure oi DER): I will take half an hour and let such students in the university their them get 15 minutes from my time. number is very very low. It is in this background that I want to say SHRI K. S. CHAVDA: If you ex­ that the Central universities are tend this by one hour, the other busi­ squandering public money. ness can be taken up. Since there is lack of time I am nol SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Sir, we going into the details. I find that on may go upto 5.30 PM. a student of the Jawahar Lai Nehru university, the country spends nearly MR. CHAIRMAN; Is it the pleasure Rs. 10,000 per student, whereas a of the House that the debate on UGC student in Ranchi University in Bihar report may continue upto 5.30 P.M.? gets Rs. 145 only. I do not think this is a very good distribution of public SOME HON. MEMBERS; Yes. money for education and the Minister might explain it like this that for the MR. CHAIRMAN: So, it is agreed Central University, the whole ex­ that the debate on UGC report will penditure will have to be borne by continue upto 5.30 PM. The Minister the Union Government. That is ar* will reply to the debate at 4.45 PM. argument he may put forward. But my point is not against the Central SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN (Can- University. These Central Univer­ nanore): Sir, the discussion on the sities if they become seats of learning, UGC report given an opportunity to centres of academic excellence. tb^:i this House to discuss the problems of there is a point in spending money. higher education. Within the limited But I think, as it is today, the Central time at my disposal, I would like to Universities cannot claim that credit. bring some of the important problems, So, I think a second look is necessary which I think the higher education in in regard to the functioning of the our country is facing today. If you Central Universities. I do not say: talk in absolute terms, namely, in scrap them altogether. But make them terms of admission of students in the centres of academic excellence by im­ universities and the great number of proving their standards, etc. universities and colleges, I must say, the performance was good. Now one thing which is worrying me and I am sure the country also, is One of the very important problem the commercialisation in the field of to which I would like t0 draw the education. I find certain values get attention of the Minister is that we distorted. For example, a studeni have a lopsided approach in deciding who wants to get an admission in the the priorities in our education. It is Engineering College or in the Medical not only in the matter of higher edu­ College learns first to give bribe to cation but, I think, the Minister wiil the management and you cannot ex­ also agree that after Independence the pect him to be gentleman after coming country failed to provide any oppor­ out with a Degree Certificate. He will tunity of education to large sections try to earn that money—as capitation of people who are still illiterate. fee—by any means. I am not sug­ gesting any drastic step that you Then there is the problem of drop­ should immediately nationalise all outs. When you come from the these institutions. But this commer­ Higher Secondary stage to University cialisation business in the educational Stage, you find that a very few field should be stopped. Then the role fortunate elites in the society get an of the private management should be opportunity to have university educa­ gone into in all the seriousness it tion. This is the reality in our deserves. 219 Ammal Report JULY 21. 1977 of U.G.C. 220

[Shri C. K. Chandrappan] I think university education can Another problem is that a wide gap play an important role in this. is developing between the education Another thing I should like to in the rural areas and in the urban say is about students and their sector. Perhaps, the example which I democratic rights. After the Janata have cited—the expenditure of a stu­ government came to power and after dent in JNU and that of a student in the emergency had been withdrawn, the North Bihar University—indi­ there was a fair chance that the cates that this gap should be bridged. students should be given full demo­ There is another very important cratic rights in the educational insti­ question, that is, educated unemploy­ tutions. I am sorry that it is not yet ed. It shows the purposelessness in being done. So, the students’ union the attitude of the students which should be allowed to function pro­ may result in frustration and ulti­ perly. India is one of the countries in mately it may lead to a lot of prob­ the world having no national union lems in the country. Then, there is of students. In almost all the coun­ no use of accusing that the students tries there is a sort of a national are indisciplined, and they are irres­ union at students. It is not a union ponsible to the country. So, for the sponsored by any political party; unions come together and form a problem of educated unemployed, a fed?i'3tion of unions which will repre­ solution should be found and the sent the whole student community and priority in the Government’s plan their interests. I think the govern­ should be given to this and the Min­ ment will take some steps in that istry should come forward so that direction and set up a national union there should be proper manpower of students, in our country. planning and that manpower planning in relation to the overall planning in Coming to the last point, I know the country. there is dearth of lands, I need not The other problem is about the go into figures. What was allotted by language—the medium of instruction. the Planning Commission was much It is unfortunate even today in the less than what was needed tfc meet higher seats of learning, our mother- the requirements of education. There tongue is not getting its proper place. should be more funds. There is no I am not a fanatic to say that stu­ use asking me: where is the fund? It dents should learn only in their is the responsibility of the govern­ mother-tongue and no other foreign ment to find funds and we in Parlia­ language or the national language ment will extend you full support in should be learnt. That is not mv your fight for more funds for educa­ point. My point is that if you want tion. You should also take into con­ to impart knowledge to a student, sideration the problems in a place then the best way would be to impart like Delhi. In the capital itself him that knowledge through his own students who get themselves pro­ language, the language which has the moted from the secondary a schools smell of the earth, where he has been find nowhere to go. There is no place. born—will make him understand the This perhaps shows the inadequacy of subject that he wants to learn. But the funds for providing more colleges at the same time we must give proper for the students and so this matter place to a foreign language as a should receive the hon. Minister's library language and then the national attention. language, surely Hindi, will have its •own place. But the three-language DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY formula should be implemented with (Bombay North-East): The country all earnestness so that not only it will and the university campuses are in improve the quality of education but somewhat greater peace, now that it will contribute to the strengthening we have a distinguished and able •of national integration. Education minister. I am not one of 221 Annual Report ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) of U.G.C. 222

those who are easily satisfied but I population to that level. I do not must say that the functioning of the know. But this ig a serious issue. Minister of Education is cause for (Interruptions) Why this is important great satisfaction of all of us. is this: the amount of money spent for educating one person for a The points I am making today are Master’s degree is equal to the amount to suggest areas where action is need­ spent to educate 21 persons through ed and I shall not repeat the points the primary school. Clearly this made so far. It is clear that the UGC means that higher education is a very caters only for higher education as expensive process. Therefore, the most speakers have said but its pat­ equal allocation between all the sec- tern of operation has been consistent tiong of the population would have with the congress party policy of per­ been very important: but yet we find petuation of privileges, ignorance, ex­ that the Minister himself has sold in ploitation and tyranny. The UGC has a number of places ftat the number been part and parcel of this perpetua­ of illiterates has actually gone up, tion and has functioned as its and has increased to 23 crores. I instrument and that has led to the know that during the Emergency we situation where a major crisis is loom­ saw a large number of illiterates ing in the horizon and the coming becoming decision-makers; but, un­ academic season is going to be a tur­ fortunately, I never thought that the bulent one. Facts and figures are rate of growth of illiteracy would be being given sectionally. I should like so high. This lop-sided financial to place before you some overall facts priority should have meant that the which will bring this out clearly and UGC should have functioned with a this is highlighted by the allocation of great deal of circumspection. But on funds by the UGC for perpetuation of ihe contrary, on an examinataion of privileges. There are five central the UGC, we find that indeed not only universities and they serve 1.7 per did the UGC not function with cir­ cent of the students but they £et 20 cumspection, but it functioned in a per cent of the amount. State uni­ manner in order to prefer its fa­ versities serve nearly 12.4 per cent vourites and in a pre-determined of the students and they get 44.1 per manner. We have already discussed cent of the grants. And the remain­ how supernumerary posts were creat­ ing 48 which account for 86 per cent ed, and how UGC’s chairman was of the student population, got only first promoted by the Education 36 per cent of the total grant. It is Minister, and then in turn, the UGC a clear case of a lop-sided distribu­ created the post for the Education tion of funds, and it will obviously Minister to take. This was a glaring go not only to perpetuate the inequa­ example. lities that are there in our society, 15.00 hrs. but also actually to aggravate them. Along with this, instead of higher PROF. DILIP CHAKRAVARTY: The education reaching wider sections and thesis of Mr. Nurul Hasan was on the deeper into the rura] areas, we find courtiers in Moghttl courts. He knew the narrowing of this going on. For the art of being a courtier in Indira’s example, in the 60’s the rate of growth court. He got the prize. of enrolment in higher education was 14.5 per cent per year. During the DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY: Emergency, this growth rate dropped This kind of partial functioning was to 2.5 per cent. Why was there such high-lighted by the case of J.N.U. My a sharp and steep fall in the rate of friend here. Prof. Chakravarty is a enrolment? It may be because very distinguished professor. He has Mr. Sanjay Gandhi never had higher brought to light many facts about the education. This may have been part JNU. The question is: what was of the 20-fc>oint programme, and a JNtJ conceived for? Fbr education? part oi a plan to bring the entire Obviously not, because the qilaliflca- 223 Annuitl Report JULY 21, 1977 of U.G.C. 224

[Dr. Subramaniam Swamy] DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY: tions of the professors he mentioned This is not a factual point. It is a clearly show that education was not question. (Interruptions I do not the primary objective. Obviously, it want to spend Rs. 3.5 lakhs on the was a sanctuary for all discredited history of the Jana ■Sangh at all. The persons with a particular political line kind of education given in the JNU of thinking, those who take their cues is this; the only book-stall in the from the holy city of Moscow; and campus of JNU is a book-stall run by they were given preference in this the People’s Publishing House. It university. Academic integrity and happens to publish only books of inter­ qualifications never were the factors. est to people, viz. books on Lenin, Prof. Chakravarty quoted the Stalin etc.—I do not know whether statutes which allowed them to make you now publish books on Stalin—and appointments as professors and books on Brezhnev and Brezhnev’s Readers without referrng to or con­ fiery speeches on Asian Collective sultation with a selection committee. Security. I have myself been to the 44 such professors posts were made— book-stall and found not a single and about the total number, he him­ book on Mahatma Gandhi or Jaya- self referred to 200 such appoint­ prakash Narain but oniy books pub­ ments. There are other bounties. I lished during Emergency on Emer­ do not know whether the question of gency. (Interruptions) Mahatma merit was ever considered; it is -for Gandhi was called a traiter by you the Minister to tell me. The UGC in 1942. (Interruptions). chairman’s wife also got appointed in SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: Your the process, in the university. It was hands are stained with his blood. You a very convenient tool for distribu­ are glorifying him now. tion of patronage. Of course, we also know that Maneka Gandhi is a stu­ DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY: The dent or may be she is a professor; she People’s Publishing House being the is quite qualified to be a professor of only book-stall is a commentary on the JNU. She is now in the German Centre state of affairs in JNU. Dubious characters were assigned Rs. I want to know from the Education 3.5 lakhs to write the history of Minister why such discredited people Communist Party of India. This was like Dr. Nag Chauahri should be done at the suggestion of two people. allowed as vice-chancellor. The less Mr. p. N. Haksar and Dr. S. Gopal. said about him the better. He is a both of whom were appointed in a man who, on March 12 with other so- special Committee by the UGC. We called intellectuals got a petition sign­ know the academic qualifications of ed laying that academicians and intel­ Mr. Haksar. We know thit Dr. Gopal lectuals should vote for Mrs. Indira is the famous' time-capsule Gopal, Gandhi, who supported the 42nd whose time-capsule is giving a lot of Amendment and who is known to indigestion t0 the whole nation. have a reputation for being a man How can you have Rs. 3.5 lakhs to with an unacademic persuasion such write a history of the Communist as being frequently drunk in Embassy Party of India? How can you spend parties. A man like him, of so much amount to write the history Paunar variety, such person should of discredited party which is growing net be allowed to continue as a vice- smaller, smaller and smaller and chancellor even for one day. I know which is burning with jealousy at the that the present Education Minister is growth of the other Communist party, a person who is very keen to main­ the CPM? (Interruptions) The voice tain proper processes of law; but 3 or of Moscow is always sweet to hear. 4 months have elapsed; and if Dr. . SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: Is it Nag Chaudhri doeg not have any wrong to have a history of the Com­ shame and does not resign of his own munist Party of India written? accord after the public had rejected— 225 Annual Report ASADHA 30, 1899 ( SAKA) of XJ.G.C. 226 and the intellectuals by and large had DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY: I rejected—his advice to vote for Mrs. am referring to him as a teacher and Gandhi and the 42nd Amendment, he not as a Member. should be told very gently—if not more harshly; I am sure a person with SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: Mr. a legal skill, like our Minister would Chairman, on a point of order. The be able to find a way. The Chancellor hon. Member has been referring to a of this university happens to be a number of people who are not mem­ very educated person, viz. Mrs. Indira bers. Well, if it was relevant and par- Gandhi. She is the chancellor, but by mitted by the Chair, he can. But now what right? What gives her the right he is referring to a member of an­ of being the chancellor of this univer­ other House. I would strongly urge sity in Delhi? It is a Central univer­ you to rule whether it is right to dis­ sity, totally financed by it. In no cuss here the members of the other other place in any other part of the House. country, with this kind of Central assistance, does a person like her oc­ MR. CHAIRMAN: He is not refer­ cupy the position of Chancellor. I ring to Dr. V. P. Dutt in his capacity think that if she does not resign of as a member of the other House. He ber own accord, the statute should be is referring to him in his capacity as changed. She was appointed under a an academician. So, he can do that. statute. The statute can be changed by a law in parliament; and I think DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY: I it is high time that we got rid 0f Mrs. think he has to be educated on parli- Gandhi, because the students want it; mentary rules.. (Interruptions). the teachers who are genuine teachers MR. CHAIRMAN: Since there is there, they want it. The employees, absolute paucity of time, I would re­ the non-academic staff, they too want quest hon. Member to cut down his this. . . (Interruptions). observations as much as possible and I would like, in conclusion, to bring other hon. Members to cut down their one more thing to the notice of the interruptions. Education Minister. Not , only DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY: I Jawaharlal Nehru University, but want to bring to the attention of the there are other educational institutions Education Minister the role of the so- which are functioning like concentra­ called academician, who formed the tion camps. Take, for instance, an National Forum of Teachers during institution like the Indian Council of the emergency which, according to us, Social and Scientific Research. Have functioned as an agency of police a look at the amount of money that is informers in the campus as to who is being distributed by the Indian Coun­ to be arrested or not to be arrested. cil of Social and Scientific Research. I This agency, this person, has been think this institution needs a thorough given a huge grant by the Indian check up. It has allotted a vast sum Council of Social and Scientific Re­ of money t0 a, Congress-sponsored search to call an international confer­ intellectual, and fellow with preten­ ence on China some time in January tions to learning, namely, a man cal­ 1978. This is not going to be a con­ led Shri V. P. Dutt, who has been ference on China. Going by the nominated by the President as a Mem­ names of people invited, it is quite ber of the Rajya Sabha, who formed clear it is going to function as a lobby the National Forum for Teachers, for the Soviet Union in this country which functioned as police infor­ to create a climate against China, to mers...... create hatred against China in this SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN (Bad- country. So, I would like the Minis­ jagara): Sir, he is referring to a mem­ ter to have a thorough probe into this ber of the other House. question of the allocation of Govern- 1676 LS—S. 227 Annual Report JULY 21, 1977 o/ U.G.C. 228 ment money for the purpose of con­ dnts, and J.N.U. in Delhi is a very dis­ vening such a hack conference under tressing instance before us. Can we the aegis of a person who was tho­ afford to allow those Vice-Chancellors roughly discredited and who was and executives to continue, because thoroughly associated with all the they do not command respect from excesses under the emergency. the students any more? How can you instal a Vice-Chancellor who does not We have talked so much of physical command respect from the students? torture and physical excesses during the emergency. But in the University Again, the students are now agitat­ there was mental torture and mental ing. You are a gentle person. Kindlj excesses, and this is a much more give a patient hearing to them, an( difficult area which needs a great deal do what they want. After all, univer o f attention. I am quite sure, with sities are not meant for Members of the present Minister, we are going to Parliament or Professors, they are get a good deal of justice in the mat­ meant for students. If the students ter. I have brought these few facts do not want somebody, please get rid to his attention so that he can take of him. I do not know how you action in these matters. would get rid of him. That is your wisdom. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU . (Dia­ mond Harbour): I would like to draw Look at the crisis that 30 years of the attention of the hon. Minister to Congress rule has produced. Today a community whose educational prob­ in Delhi boys and girls getting 75 per lems have not been adequately taken cent marks cannot get admission in care of during the last 30 years. I am the colleges. That is the information talking about the minority communi­ that I have got. On the other hand, ties, especially Muslims. I have been illiteracy has gone up by leaps and dealing with this subject recently, and bounds. I can give you the figures, I iind7that the cases o f [Muktabs, but I wiirnot give you today. Madrasas and Islamic cultural centres jiave.beem totally/ neglected during Two very well known colleges, in­ the last 30 years. Whatever they had cluding Miranda House, started ad­ till 1947 have been decaying very fast, mission before the publication of the and in many States they have come to merit list. This is a thing which is the* end of the road. Teaching of prohibited. I want to know from the Arabic and Persian is today very vital hon. Minister how this was possible, for the country because we have got and what steps have been taken very affluent oil-producing countries against them. where Arabic and Persian will take us a long way; I know that they There is discrimination between pri­ want to reCruit from this country peo­ vileged and non-privileged univer­ ple who know Arabic and Persian, sities. . It has been elaborated upon. but they are not getting enough peo­ I do not want to go into the question. ple. What sort of educational system do we have? The thing that was so We have inherited the legacv of prevalent here in country has the British colonial system, of the been done away with during the last Governor becoming a decorative figure 30 years. It is a matter of great pity. in the form of the Chancellor of a University. I have seen such Chancel­ It has been mentioned that some lors who will not be able to write over-energetic Vice-Chancellors and two sentences correctly. We want to executives in the universities during do away with this system. We want the emergency connived with the to have eminent educationists as police to get people arrested and to Chancellors. There are many profes­ unleash a reign of terror in the uni­ sors of merit who can be brought to versity campuses and among the stu- the universities as Chancellors. We 229 Annual Report ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) of U.G.C. 230

had a very respected Member in this She has done her doctorate and she House, Prof. Hiren Mukerjee. The is first class in her subject. She has present system certainly cannot conti­ been selected with proper interview. nue. If you want to criticise her simply because she is the wife of the Chair­ In the last 30 years of Congress man, that is unfair. Why should we rule we have been all the time talk­ drag her name unnecessarily? ing of the gap between promise and performance. It is longer than the Something was said about Dr. Sone bridge. The lowering of stand­ Nagchaudhari. I know him and I can ards in college, university and school say that his integrity cannot be chal­ education is something which causes lenged. This is the House in which worry to every right-thinking person Mr. Subramaniam Swamy represents in the country. a political party, the Jan Sangh, who were the murderers of Mahatma Gan­ dhi. (Interruptions) On the question of the recognition of our degrees, the hon. Minister got DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY: away by saying that it was a matter Jan Sangh was founded in 1951 and of opinion, but it is not a matter of Mahatma Gandhi was assasinated in opinion. I want him to tell us pre­ 1948. So, please correct your dates. cisely, if possible today, in how many cases and the number of countries SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I stand and the universities therein where corrected. It was the RSS which is our degrees} including medical degrees the backbone of Jarf Sangh. have been de-recognised during the last ten years. I want to know what DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY: value our degrees carry in the inter­ The judicial commission says that it national market. We would like to has nothing to do with that. have the fullest details about this. The universities and colleges have SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Dr. become hotbeds of nepotism and K. N. Raj was the Vice-Chancellor favouritism and education has become the last object. Everything is there of Delhi University. He is one of the leading economists in the country. excepting education. Therefore, I The same people who have dragged leave it in the hands of the Education his name, had forced him to quit. Minister to ensure and convince the House that things are moving ahead Dr. Subramaniam Swamy thinks that he is the only doctor in the country now. today.

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- About the history of Communist k il): I was surprised to find that a Party of India, I do not know the rea­ tirade has been unleashed against sons for objection. Sir, I don’t know the intellectuals of this country like the date of birth of Mr. Subramaniam Dr. Nagchaudhari and the Chairman Swamy but I may remind him that of UGC and others. They are critical Communist Party of India has its own of them because they want to instal history in the country even before he their own men in their places in order was born. It is a part of history of to grind their own axe. The criticism India. History of our country of this against the Chairman of the U.G.C. century is the history of the Congress is that he believes in Marxian philo­ and the history of freedom struggle sophy . What is wrong in believing is a part of the history of Congress. Marxism? Moreover, the Janata Party I air proud of that. Many people who is honeymooning with Marxist Party. are sitting on the other side, haive made their contributions in this Party. One of the Members objected to I have contributed very little in this. the appointment of the wife of Chair­ You may not like it. But it is a fact. man, UGC in the J. N. University. One can write the history of Jan 231 Annual Report JULY 21, 1977 of U.G.C. 232

[Shri Vayalar Ravi] SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Coming Sangh. But it is only post-Indepen­ to the UGC Report, the Children of dence history. You must write the this country have been subjected to history of RSS which was discredited experiments for a long time. The in the country for the murder of the most sufferer today is the children of Father of the Nation.... this country. I am afraid, for the last 30 years we are lacking a political DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY: leadership as regards education in this Have you got any evidence? (Inter- country. This is a book which my son ruptions) is studying in the Ilnd Standard. This is the Mathematics book. My son is SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: You look only seven years old. Please look at at the history. It is very unfortunate the book. I do not know how to teach that even people like Mr. Subrama- him. This is what has been imported niam Swamy close their eyes at the by people like M r. Subramaniam history of RSS in the country----- Swamy who visit America often. This

He was Mr. Hansraj Gupta. (In. terruptions) SHRI VAYALAR RAVI; What non­ sense is he speaking? (Interruptions) SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I can only sympathise.... (Interruptions) DR. BALDEV PRAKASH (Amrit­ sar): On a point of order, Sir. He has (^TptST) : JTPRfa said, “What nonsense is he speak­ sft, # g. ing?” . He should withdraw these f¥ ^ faqir tt 1 ir w r *ft words.

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mean that the UGC and other institu­ 14 tions today subject to politicking and fTOPT 3WT f TT3f % ^fT creating more tension in the universi­ | I ^ STT^i JTHT ties. *ft ^ ST®5 »Tift \ Look at this important point. Only 2000 colleges get money out of 4000. % ^T^TT g fa> fft ^TT^ f% It means 50 per cent of the colleges are out of the purview of getting « **n ^o $r^tR ^ all sphere. What does the University Sfffl ^ft sfP^T f[ I %TPT 4*11 «TR% f> I Grantg Commission Amendment Act %TPT % 31+^, f>, |l I *f say? On page 2, it says: iT^ter Hr=rp>n ^ i^ tt g i f *rmT “The universities had been in­ formed that under Section f fa HTjpf % TRT fe ft I tfk 12(A) of the UGC amended Act, ^ 'TRT ?lff | I ^ ^?[T% fe ft Wt no university or college estab- , 1942 if ^ Jt «rr 1 lished after 17th June 1972 would be eligible for assistance from MR. CHAIRMAN: You just now the Central Government or from conclude your speech. any other organisation receiv­ ing Central Government funds SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I am unless the Commission had de­ happy that I do not know what they clared such institutions to be fit say. If they object to my speech, I to receive central asistance.” am not threatening. But the minister This is the provision. You will not also will find it difficult to reply. get assistance. How can you start When they criticise us, let them have colleges in the rural area? In the patience to listen to our criticism connection, I have to point out one also. Do not get upset when we cri­ example of Kerala where we have ticise you. started junior colleges for the students to complete their pre degree and then This is the book, which I hope the get admission in the universities for Minister will see and listen to what degree course. But they are "not get-r I say because this is a matter which ting aid. concerns every child. My point is that this kind of experiment is being Then there is a point regarding the made over the children year after srlary and emoluments of the staff. year and two generations have been T h is is a very important point. In spoiled by this experiment. Now, we Kerala, th is is a very big problem. On are experimenting 10 plus 2 plus 3 page 3 of the Report, it is clearly system. stated about the mal-practices. It says: Some of the important points are “On occasions, complaints have made in the Report about the func­ been received by the Commis­ tioning of the UGC and other things. sion regarding mal-practices in In my opinion, there is nothing to the payment of salaries to teach­ be worried about. There were spee­ ers. Since the Commission does ches from your side, from your Party, not have any authority to inter­ with an intention to instal the people fere in the internal affairs of the of your own choice, people of your colleges, such complaints have in­ political choice and so on. That will variably been referred to the Annual Report JULY 21, 1977 of U.G.C. 236

; {Shri Vayalar Kavi] a study of the students coming to the IAS, IFS and other cadres, you universities concerned for such will find that 70 to 80 per ‘cent of action as they may like to take. the students coming from public schools get recruited to these all- It means no actiqji has been taken. India cadres. That means, we are So the government has to act in this ignoring completely the other section regard to end this malpractice. of people. There are two sections in the country today. One is the rural Then they have considered mea- poor, the poorer sections, who get feures to improve the standard of col­ just ordinary education, which is very leges. It is a hopeless statement, if I meagre, just to learn reading and quote. This is on the Section IV on writing, nothing more; and the other page 37. It says: section is the upper strata of the so­ “No improvement of stand­ ciety who enjoy the facility of get­ ards in the real sense o'f the term ting a better standard of education. I do admit that this has been pattern is, therefore, possible unless the conditions of teaching and learn­ all these thirty years. This is not the first time that I am speaking on this. ing in the colleges are improve Whenever I had spoken in the past, I substantially.” had pointed this out to the Govern­ They further say: ment and the government officials. We have not been able to make any “Nearly 50 per cent of the col­ change so far. On this occasion I leges have an enrolment of be­ only make this appeal to the Minis­ low 400. Colleges with small en­ ter— because the UGC has done some­ rolment find it difficult to become thing and it has t0 be improved— viable either financially or aca­ that he should see that politicking is demically . ” avoided—politicking because of pres­ This is the problem. The standard sure from his own political party; is very low in these colleges. Because that will only create more tension and they are not better-staffed, because more problems in the universities. they are not better equipped, they He should try to improve the stand­ have not been able to maintain a pro­ ard . per standard. Lastly I come to the three-language Now I come to the introduction of formula. Language is a very sensi­ UGC scales all over the country. tive problem. I have got here a copy Mr. Biju Patnaik is here. He will not of the letter from the Prime Minister agree with me 1 ask for introduc­ to Shri M. G. Ramachandran, Chief tion of the UGC scales all over the Minister of Tamil Nadu, on the lan­ country. Because the different States guage issue. It has been reported in are financially poor, they are not in the papers. The Prime Minister has a position to implement the UGC expressed his unhappiness over the scales; they need Central assistance statement 0f Shri M. G. Ramachan­ to implement the UGC scales. I dran in the Tamil Nadu Legislative would request the hon. Minister to Assembly—wRile replying to the de­ look into this problem of implemen­ bate on Governor’s Address—where tation of the UGC scales in different he has said that he two-language for­ States. mula will be continued. The different States have different problems. The So far as the standard of education people who do not know Hindi have is concerned, it has to be improved. been surprised and shocked to hear You have to give education to the what the Chief Minister of Bihar, maximum possible extent. ITow what Shri Karpoori Thakur, said the other is the pattern of education that you day. He said: T will use only Hindi see today? For example, if you make and Hindi alone, and no other lan- 337 Annual Report ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) of U.G.C. guage’. We have the three-language | f r w 4>i^«n ir formula, and the' three-language for­ mula is the best solution. If you can­ i erivr w ‘m fa T^t’ not find a solution to this problem, sr«* ^ ^str trrrftt | then the country’s future will be in % fnvrni ^ 1*11 I ^ danger. The prime Minister has said that it Was a matter to be discussed srtfir far t Tt turn fanatic. The language fanaticism ir «ft i fasnfazft sftr fsrefrt will only spell danger for the unity of this country. I am for the three- i*t 3f5T % if V* M t t *r language formula. But unfortunately ( w *nn | f r srifo r£t the South Indian languages like Ma­ TT 3>5tT I 5TTOT I f r lay al am, Tamil, Kannada and Telugu and also Bengali are not being taught ftrerr >reft 3ft fcrT ^ T O 'ptihf plement it in that area, in south. I % fsr?TT *C?ft $ I 5ft W W tS *t humbly make this appeal to you: please see that the three-language formula is implemented in the real yxrax arr^ft ^ t | i sense of the term and in all its spirit. That is the only way by which we can ■ Fort# Jr ^ «ft f w i nm | achieve national integration. I only wish to remind you this: You may f% ^r«T OTsff ^t ^ 2.5 srfimw belong to the ruling party here, but ^t 55tcTft |f I TT*# ^ ^ ^tcT^ you are surrounded by States and people who do not belong to you. ?rf«r^ | f *ftr ^ ^ f t 1 ^ *Ftf ?rrT% ^ I f r ^ With these words, I conclude. Jf ^3t?rfr f t , ^rfrn Jf

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* Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 245 Annual Report ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAXA) of V.G.C. 246

afraid, we shall not be able to get ad­ * tt sffa «r, 5 vantages and benefits of a number of ^ T T ^T^JT *TT I ^i^dl developmental projects which we g ^ *ft (IWT3I fa*TT «TW *flT may otherwise have because of the industrial advancement of our coun­ ift sft frtfte ft w |, ’•ft' try. l+^i 1 At the outset I may also say that fi&a *Hft («ft wan I find in this discussion which is about to conclude, a few individual T I»Wt) : SPTC ?TPT ^ ^T 9 3 references have been made to this *T>PT ? rft f ^ T -'tlgMl fa f[*T ^ft*T and that scholar. I do understand fc(c)K Jr 5T 3jt$ fa ^ 'rri%raT- that the feeling is very high, and some people do deserve to be criti­ Jr^t stt m iH -T rR rw nft «tt i *rrr cised. But my friend Dr. Subrama­ Pr^«gsT | fa *rm ^t snrt’T niam Swamy need not have been harsh on Dr. S. Gopal—the dis­ ftaT fatft % farT |^t tinguished son of his late distinguish­ irtfW ed father, Sarvapalli Radhakrishnan. ?fk f ?rm^ ^>#>rr fa t I know for certain that he was harass­ ed in times of emergency. If we be­ % 3r 1 have with or talk about, the scholars sisff ?r?s; f a ? : «fr SISS ^ r |, like this, it is not going to do us good.

^r^g- Jf STPT ’HM'll’Hl Tt I want to ask this ^ouse as I am TRi^r ^ +10(191 ^ 1 asking this question to myself—what is the U .G.C. for? After all, why do tf’Mmfa : ^rif «n^m ff m we want the University Grants Com­ mission? As I understand, its role is j m ^ 1 1 that of a bridge between the Univer­ sities on one side and the Govern­ «ff sn^ : *m *Ttr*nr *tt fa ?*r ment on the other. If the U.G.C. were

[Prof. P. G- Mavalankar] quickly and they have expanded also very quickly in a short time. though they may be doing good work. I am not saying anything at the In 1857, We had only three univer­ moment about the working of the uni­ sities in Calcutta, Bombay and Mad­ versities as such. Even if they do ras; in 1887 we had the Allahabad good work, the national needs demand University; in 1916, we got 2 more that the money will be spent more universities—Banaras Hindu Univer­ equitably and not one or two univer­ sity and Mysore University; when sities getting a lion’s share. Of course, Independence carc.e in August 1947, funds must be made available. The we had only 16 universities, and now U .G .C. must go on stressing it before in thirty years’ time, what is the pic­ the Education Minister that unless ture that we see? We find 102 universi­ the U.G.C. gets more funds every year ties plus 9 institutions deemed it will not able to disburse the to be universities, and many amount to various universities ade­ more are in the offing. X quately and properly in our country. am not saying that we should not de­ velop more universities. I am not un­ I want to say one thing at the outset mindful of the regional claims before I go to some broad and impor­ for more colleges and universi­ tant points. The U.G.C. must remem­ ties; their claims are to some extent ber that it is not bureaucracy. I am legitimate and justified for the es­ sorry to say this. But my feeling is tablishment of new colleges and uni­ that over a period of years, the U.G.C. versities, although I am happy that in our country is functioning more and the U.G.C. has put a stop to more as a bureaucracy. That is part­ further growth of new univer­ ly because of the fact that there is sities for the time being. Even if bureaucratisation everywhere in our you want one new university, what I country. We are doing everything am pointing out to this Hon. House is and asking everything to be done by that for the last thirty -years we have the State. The moment it is done, seen the number already rising from what happens is that everything leads 16 to 102. These universities which to more bureaucracy, and then the are under the auspices and supervision bureaucracy gets an upper hand. I of the U.G.C. have led to a tremendous do not want the U.G.C. to become an­ burden on the U.G.C. and that has also other bureaucratic department 0f the led to certain problems. I will only men­ Government of India. I want that it tion a couple of points one by one in should function as an independent, one sentence or two, because my time is vigorous and critical institution or limited. As regards the number of agency which will act as a meaningful colleges in India, I find that upto at bridge between the universities on the least the report of the U.G.C., it comes one hand and the Government on to 4,508 and the student population the other. comes to 24,26,109.

Having said that, I feel that the Of course, we see that there are functions and responsibilities of the more colleges, and that more stu­ U.G.C. are very important. About the dents are going to the colleges. But pattern of higher education in our I must ask the question. One must have country, particularly, in the last the courage to ask; in the interest of three decades, we have seen that it democracy and education both, are does give rise to a number of trends, we to have merely more colleges or stresses and strains. What one sees are we to have better and more col­ and witnesses in the university cam­ leges? In our enthusiasm we want puses in the last thirty years is of to have more and more colleges; so course very disturbing. That is par­ we are also getting more and more tly because of this fact that our sub-standard colleges. There is a mu­ universities have been established so shroom-growth of colleges. As a pro­ 249 Annual Report ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) of U.G.C. 250

fessor of a college in Ahmedabad for 19 the students fees are not proportiona­ years and as a principal for 8 years, tely raised to such an extent that it I know how difficult it is to run a good becomes impossible for economically college efficiently and how much time, poorer students to get into the colleges talents and resources are required for and universities. Therefore, the fees raising the standards of education, the in terms of revenue must"not be pro­ -quality of education for producing portionately high. In other words, the scores of young men and women stu­ Central Government must come for­ dents for the betterment and future ward to give funds to the universities of the country. s0 that the students fee does not be­ come an attractive sum or a tempting I feel that the sub-standard colleges proposition to get revenue for the and the mushroom growth of the col­ colleges. Then, of course, admission leges must be stopped. 1 am glad problems, attention to students’ needs that the U.G.C. has got a scheme what and the students personal services are is called, a College Development also the areas which have to be im­ Council. proved. Looking at the reports and 16.00 hrs. looking at the various journals 0f the U .G .C., I find they have also got Then coming to the teachers, I feel quite a few publications, quarterly that their salary-scale, their self-res­ journals, bulletins and many other pect, their service conditions—all publications which are good, and can, must be properly looked into and im­ of course, be improved, while some of plemented honestly and fully. That is them are good, they are of good qua­ not being done. As an ex-Professor— lity and substance. I am glad to know as I do not have a formal position, so that the University Grants Commission I call myself an ex-Professor—I do has got plans and programmes, and teach at various places including have been implementing them, about some colleges and universities occa­ the examination reform, continuing sionally, and I find that the professors education, seminars, etc. They had need good salaries and good condi­ seminars in Hyderabad and Pune tions. These are two things. One is recently. They are very much con­ the freedom to teach and the other the cerned about the syllabi, revision and freedom to experiment, the freedom to strengthening them. They are doing ■do research, and may I Gay also that a lot regarding the capital develop­ the U.G.C. must be more generous in ment projects, buildings, laboratories, terms of book allowances, etc. for Libraries, Hostels, residential unitsfor the professors and the teachers. They teachers; they are also active about should have their own private or home students’ participation, summer libraries. A 3 regards students, I feel schools, centres of advanced stu­ that students must start a campaign of dies, research programmes, faculty “ teach weir* because they must expect improvements, etc. and also in using their teachers to teach them well, the services of experienced retired tea­ not jtist teach but teach them well, chers by offering them visiting teach­ and not dictate notes but talk and ing fellowships, etc. So far go good. lecture in such a way that the stu­ dents are able to think independently I want to conclude by saying that and depend less and less on their tea­ unless you have the wider horizon in chers. The examination fees and the the whole thing, you cannot do well tuition fees, library fee, laboratory fee, in the university education in this • etc. which the students have to pay country. Here I have two suggestions should not be too high.~ In the U.K. to make. One is: let ug Have an open there were in all 17 universities in university as early as possible. in 1945. Today it has got 44 universi- Britain, during Prime Minister ‘ ties. The U .G .C .—the University Herold Wilson's Administration, Lord Grants Committee as they call it in Robbins and others had taken the ini­ the UK—makes it a point to see that tiative in having what is called the 251 Annual Report JULY 21, 1977 of U.G.C. 252 [Prof. P. G. Mavalankar] we witness in the field of education? has our educational policy enabled us Open University which was set up to solve the manifold miseries of our in 1971 at Milton Keys. The students masses? Has our educational policy and the general public, were thrilled, created additional job opportunities they were more joyful at learning in the country? Unfortunately, to our again, and they came back to the dismay, we find that we have not made open university through corres­ any appreciable progress in educa­ pondence courses, through radio, tion; in fact, I should say that we through TV and through other media. are slipping back into primitive That kind of open university must period. So far education has been come in a country like India where confined to bulky books and the edu­ formal education through university cated youths have not proved useful colleges is imposible for many, and to the society. What is their contri­ it must therefore he conducted bution to the evolution of modem through the open university. So the society in our country? Sir, it has be­ open university is one thing which I come a matter of dispute and discus­ would suggest. sion. The graduates are gropping in the dark. Their education has Secondly, we must also have some proved futile to the needs of thing very quick, something very con­ the nation. They have not been centrated with regard to the - raising able to contribute substantially of the standards of college education to the social, cultural and by encouraging a few institutions as economic growth of our country. The autonomous colleges. Unless we utility of higher education in India lies have a few autonomous colleges, we in its utter futility. I would like to cannot do much by way of college and emphasise fBST education should be university education improvement. a potent instrument for bringing out Therefore, Sir, what we need in the latent talents of the blossoming education is direction and dedication. buds of humanity for the very survi­ Leadership, is lacking . That lacuna val of human society. must be removed by having good Vice Chancellors good Principals, good teachers, not politicking but teaching In this background we should have the students. If that is done, I am a look at the 1975-76 Report of the quite sure that the education as an University Grants Commission. Even instrument, education as an end, will a superficial scrutiny shows that there be used purposefully and meaning­ has been inequitable distribution of fully so that we can survive the grants among the Universities in our future,, no matter how dark it may country .You know, Sir, that there lok at this moment. Thank you. are 105 Universities in our coun­ try,, out of which 7 are under the •SHRI P. S. RAMALINGAM (Nil- aegis of the Central Government, eup­ giris): Hon. Mr. Chairman, Sir, I hemistically called the Central Uni­ am grateful to you for giving me an versities. Out of the total amount of opportunity to participate in the dis­ Rs. 36 crores available at the disposal cussion on the Report of the Univer­ of the U .G.C., five Central Universi­ sity Grants ^Commission for the year ties were given a sum of Rs. 17.21 1975-76. On behalf of my party, the crores in this year. The remaining All India Anna Dravida Munnetra hundred Universities were to remain Kazhagam, I would like to express my content with the balance of Rs. 18.79t views on this Report of the U .G.C. crores. I would like to know from the hon. Minister of Education why At the outset I would like to raise such a step-motherly approach should certain posers. Thirty years after have been adopted by the U .G.C. to­ achieving our Independence, what do wards the 100 Universities.

•The original speech was delivered in Tamil. 253 Annual Report ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) of U.G.C.

Sir, we go about bragging that India necessity of teaching the young and is an agricultural country and agricul­ the youth of the country in mother- ture contributes 70 per cent of the tongue. Even after three decades of national income. It is indisputable our Independence, we do not have that the majority of our people are text books for higher education in dependent upon agriculture for their mother-tongues. Consequently, the livelihood. Yet, we have done very standard of education has gone down little for the progress of agricultural steeply. It is of paramount impor­ education in our country. I have to tance that text books for higher edu­ painfully point out that in the exist­ cation must be brought out in mother ing scheme of things lion’s share of tongues. Here, the U .G .C. has a money is allocated to educational in­ vital role to play. Sir, the Univer­ stitutions imparting arts and science sities alone can be entrusted with this education, and agricultural education onerous task of brfnging out collegiate is to rest content with Lilliputian - text-books in regional languages. It share. I have to bemoan and bewail is a fact that the Universities do not that, in all the Five Year Plans that have unlimited resources to undertake have gone by, agricultural education this work. The U .G .C. should for­ received very scant attention in the mulate a plan of financial assistance hands of our Government. The agri­ to the Universites for this work of cultural Universities are the distant national importance. In 1975-76 the cousine of the TJ.G.C. I am cons­ U .G.C. has not allotted any money trained to quote from page 150 of for translating the collegiate text­ the U .G.C. Report for 1975-76 that books in regional languages. Sir, th* the Agricultural University in Tamil hon. Minister of Education known for Nadu got a pittance of Rs. 2083 as his dynamism must ensure that the plan allocation. I hope that at U .G.C. works out a scheme for ex­ least in the coming years the Janata tending financial assistance to the Government would give the prime 0* Universities for the purpose of trans­ place for agricultural education and lating text books for higher education allocate adequate funds for Agricul­ in regional languages. tural Universities enabling them to produce agricultural gradutes ~and With these words I conclude my scientists who can take agriculture to speech. the commanding heigKts of our eco­ nomy. tJo TTTOt (W T ^ r ) : ggsT I have to regretfully point out that partly sums were spent during this fsrr ftr sro ?rr f i year for Library Books and Scientific zrosftotfto % «rA ^ equipment for laboratories. You can­ *TT fa 1975-76 m iRVIKH not contradict me if I say that educa­ tional standards would be only be­ I fpTT^! Icfl % low par in Colleges which do not have ^TTdcra *r qfcrrc w jth h good libraries and laboratories. In «rr ^ 1975-76 a sum of Rs. 2.42 crores was allocated for library^Books and Rs. f% ^ *1*1 *11*1*1 ^ STT 3.63 crores for scientific equipment. 5TRHF HP* qT, (KM J9TRFT As library and laboratory are the es­ sential ingredient of higher education, ^ «tt i faMfirsnswf ^ 3r the U .G.C. should not be stingy m srm t f^r^^TT fa allocating funds for this purpose. ^FIT STTflfa T W f t I fiTCTT I would like to recall that the father of our nation, Mahatma Gandhi and ftrsr* % our late lamented leader Arigner Anna ITcfT fa*erfirerT*PT % ^TTTT I § I used to emphasis repeatedly the 255 Annual Report JULY 21, 1977 of UX2.C. 256

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ittto TnnfhTvr Ti^t] moved this Motion. I did not take any time in any introductory speech be­ gtr t frtft tft srr* 3r ft m m cause I wanted to listen to the obser­ vations of the hon. Members. In ^ rr ^ fWT I STS’ fT fact, this report is for the year 1975-70 qr ^ra^ft ^t r^t | 1 and it does not relate to the period *r *ft *ft ^rr sftfT c R ^ f f 1 that this present Government has been in power and I have been in- H»fa^ *ft *T^ 3*T% WTf) ^TI% ff Nd’l'<+> 1 charge of the Ministry of Education. g r ^ 3HTR W *TRTT | , JXTZ 'FfarT In fact, I am holding somebody else’s baby; the baby may be good, beautiful % ^t ^TTrft ^ ^TT f[t eft or it may be ugly, but it depends on ^ ferr ^TrTT | 1 ^rnr the attitude of the onlooker. Every­ 3 to f t T*TT | I % body looks at his own baby as good and beautiful and not at the other’s. ^ *ft m crsref | 1 % ^ *r ^ft ? n w t ^ f t ^raf Anyway, there are certain matter* 1 ^RT^f^nfwt^r in this report, which actually deal i r f t *ft ^fer 3fefafH*f | 1 * f t with certain principles which have to be scrutinised by this august House w ^ i w r f srfa; ^ j k i ^feftrf^Fr and through this scrutiny, the present W I wlfrfal*ic *T ^RT^R Ministry may find some guidelines. % ?r *rrfasf %*\t That is why, I consider this report to be very important and the discussions | 1 *r% fwrr: ^ t ^t ? ? *t> 1 tPSBTT Pi^’H I ^ I much time to deal with the problems ^t qf*Hfafe*fl *t *ft ?Ftf ^RT3fV of the universities in general,, and the ^ | 1 ftr^ft qforfagt ^r university Grants Commission parti­ cular. For instance, one hon. Member ^ ^ r *Y ^ r ^ % srf yesterday pointed out that Maulana t i *TT Azad’s book had some confidential portion; this portion was located in $ir ^r %■ 3^tt ^ 1 srftr % ^ r the National Archives and their con­ *1?T VHK ^frT It TO Tf> t I ^ ^jfTT f% fidential portion is missing. Now I *T? tftT 3T R fffT | Sfa 5|ff I I got it checked up through the Direc­ tor of archieves and the reports to me v«n: fm | eft ^ ?fWf ^tt that this allegation is not true. He f^rnr g^rr | 1 says that the packet with the seals intact is still there in the per&onal 16.58 hrs. custody of the Director of Archive® himself. In fact he rushed to the [jfai. Speaker in the Chair] Archives last night to find out whe­ TttE MINISTER OF EDUCATION ther the allegation which was made SOCIAL* WELFARE AND CULTURE here was true or not an4 he found that thfe seals intact. So I < m . PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- wiere as­ DER): Mr. Speaker, Sir, when I sure this hon. Member that the seals are intact.. . 277 Annual Report ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) of U.G.C. 278 17.00 hrs. proper case has been made out, suit­ able steps will be taken. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: It was Mr. Janeshwar Mishra. He is not there. I am not in favour of passing judg­ ment against anybody without giving DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- him a hearing. Mr. Speaker, Sir, you DER: .. . and the confidential portion have been adorning the Bench of the is Jhere. Supreme Court. You know that we believe in the rule o'f law and nobody can be punished without being given I would only request hon. Members an opportunity to him of being heard. that whenever they make such allega­ So, we are going through that process tions concerning my Ministry, they and I hope after we get the reports may kindly bring these matters before from the management there, proper me first so that I can personally re­ action will be taken. quest the officers concerned to check up the point and if they are not satis­ fied with the answer, only then that matter may be brought before this Now, as regards the report itself, we House. That will certainly save much notice that it has given not only the time for this House and embarrass­ various aspects of the Commission’s ment for the officers. working during 1975-76 but it has also indicated certain guidelines which are being continued in subsequent years Another matter was very forcefully* and at the end also we find a large placed before this House by- hem. number of appendices from which Member, Shri Lakkappa. He was the condition of university education telling us about the difficulties* cor­ in general and of certain institutions ruption and other matters concerning, of higher learning in particular can the Indian Institute of Management. be obtained. In fact he was annoyed with ms because I had attended the convoca­ tion meeting of that institution. Of course, convocation is meant for giv­ Hon. Member Shri Mavalankar w*t ing proper honours to the students. right in pointing out the nature of the It has nothing to do with the internal University Grants Commission. He management of the instiution. So, I correctly stated that it will be like * wanted to meet the students and take bridge between the government and part in the convocation. No, while the universities. In fact, when the the ceremony was going on, there University Grants Commission was were certain demonstrations by some established, in the preamble we find outsiders. I am glad to say that I that its object will be to have co­ did not find any student participating ordination and determination of stan­ in that demonstration. So, I met their dards in the universities and in Sec­ representative and I have assured tion 12 of the University Grants Com­ them, as i assure this House, that mission Act we find the functions of whatever points have been raised are the commission very clearly defined. being looked into. In fact, the points But if we are to judge the success or which have been raised by the Acco- the failure of the University Grants nuts Department of the Karnataka Commission, then we are to relate its Government and the discrepancies in activities to the objects which have accounts which have been found have been laid down in the ~ statute. been referred to the management of When we compart this,, we come to tfee Institute a&d tfcte? are sending us the conclusion that by and large the their repl? *nd if we find that anj University Grants Commission hat 279 Annual Report JULY 21, 1977 of U.G.C. 280

[Dr. Pratap Chandra Chunder] should consider it to be a shame on our democracy. If we are to remove succeeded in discharging the duty this shame, this calumny, then greater which has been allotted to it. I know emphasis will have to be laid on adult there is much scope for improvement. education. In fact the previous Government also was not satisfied fully with the work­ SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: ings of the University Grants Commis­ On family planning. sion. Therefore, a Review Committee was set up. That Review Com­ DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN­ mittee has completed its deliberation. DER: We shall certainly try to look The report has been prepared and this into this if this matter was so simple Report has been placed before the as Shri Reddy suggested. We could Houste. If occasion arises, On that then remove all the population and report some discussion may be there the problems will be changed. We if the House so desires. It clearly have to looked to the realities of the shows that there is certainly scope for situation. We have, therefore, deci­ improvement in the working of the ded to set up National Board of Adult University Grants Commission. But Education and I am glad to infoxm that does not mean that we should the House that I have been having a denigrate whatever it has done. . It dialogue with the Planning Commis­ has certainly done much good for our sion . This morning I met the Vice country in bringing up the standard Chairman of the Planning Commission of education at the university level. to discuss the question of priorities Of course, there may be some diffe­ in the coming Sixth Five Year Plan. rence of opinion. This is not the first mefeting that we Hon. Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu question- would have. We shall certainly have fed my observation which I made the more meetings to find out the priori­ other day regarding standard of col­ ties and allocation of funds and other leges and universities. I said that it matters will have to be dealt with at *imply depends upon the opinion of an appropriate time. So, we have to the individuals concerned. But even plan ahead so that proper emphasis then we find that there has been a might be laid on the parts where the large advancement in the field of need is the most. higher education. Appendix I itself shows that upto 146 we had 18 univer­ It is also true that there is imba­ sities and now we have 105 universi­ lance between the rural areas and ties (102 universities and afterwards urban areas. It ig something of a three more were there) mentioned in part of history—historical traditions the list and 9 institutions are deemed which we cannot get rid of. to be universities. So, there is a great enlargement of the scope of Some hon. Members suggested that higher education. Of course, many we should have rural universities. hon. members criticised that there The suggestion is Very good no doubt. is a great deal of imbalance. To som'e But, are we able to have such rural extent we may agree with that view universities in the present socio-eco­ that there is imbalance. ‘ In fact nomic context? in the first statement that I made before this august House, I stated that We are not able to have rural we ought to change the priority to schools in every village not to speak some extent and in course of our dis­ of r u r a l universites. If we have to set cussion in this House on the question up schools in every village or a cluster of adult education, we noted that now of villages so that these schools are there are about 23 crores of people. I within the walking distance for our am talking of adults above the age of children in the T u r a l areas, that IS years who are illiterate. So, that would require an enormous sum is a very staggering problem and we and that will certainly have to 2 * 1 Annual Report ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) of U.G.C. 282 b e provided by this House when, such man power planning, the admis­ perhaps, the Sixth Five Year sion in universities and higher educa­ Plan will be discussed at some future tional institutions are restricted. date. But, we are no going within Now, nobody can say that China is the constraints of the Fifth Five Year not a socialist country because it is Plan and, under such constraints, we restricting the higher education and have to plan our action for the com­ allowing only a limited number of ing one year dr a little more than one students to study in the higher edu­ year. That is the position. cational institutions. Similarly, in other socialist countries of the demo­ I have already pointed that out ear­ cratic type, as in the case of Great lier, that is, last year, the Standing Britain, we find that there are higher Committee of the Central Advisory educational institutions, there are Board of Education clearly mentioned universities and, in recent times that roughly Rs. 3,300 crores in the many new universities are being set Fifth Five Year Plan had been deman­ up. We cannot stop the higher edu­ ded if the present system of education cational institution because that is not had to be improved. In fact, little real socialism. more than Rs. 1200 crores only had been allocated so that the Standing Comittee had to conclude or admit According to my comprehension of that the state of education in our socialism, it is not a complete egali- country at the end of the Fifth Five tarinism, it is not the steam-roller Year Plan would be worse than what equality that is desirable for the it was at the beginning. That is the country. It really' means equal oppor­ position that we have to face. tunity to be provided for the people who are capable of going through a In future, with all such constraints particular form of education. Now, we have to note that we are to make if we have that idea of equal oppor­ the best out of what we have. In that tunity, then, even in the university connection, I should certainly try to stage, equal opportunity should be bear in mind some of the valuable provided for the people who are com- suggestions that have been made. ing from the backward communities or poorer sections of the community. Hon. Member Shri Ramji Singh We find in the pattern of University wanted that the allocation of funds Education, that point is kept very for universities should be cut down much in view because we find that because it is somewhat of an elitist provision for scholarships has been education. I do not know how far made. I know that adequate provi­ that is reflecting the socialist view, I sions for scholarships has been had visited many socialist countries made. Perhaps more provisions like China, Soviet Union and similar could have been made. But, other countries which are ruled by visions could have been made. But, democracy—governed by Labour still, certain provisions have been Party. Nowhere I have found that made. Similarly, a reference has higher educational institutions have been made to the scheduled castes and been stopped. In fact, when I visited scheduled tribes, certainly, we find China, I found that the admissions to that in the matter 0f admissions, the higher educational institutions were topic has been taken up and discussed absolutely limited; they were related in greater detail and it has also been to the capability of the students as examined by the proper authorities well as the possibility of getting jobs and. ultimately, we find that the in future. limits have been put to 20 per cent. When the matter was taken up at the Therefore, there is complete man forty-second meeting of the Com­ power planning and on the basis of mittee on Welfare of Scheduled Castes 283 Annual Report JULY 21, 1977 of U.G.C. 284 [Dr. Pratap Chandra Chunder] findings of somebody in the Tata and Scheduled Tribes, it was noted Institute. She spoke i$ Bengali and that the principle had not been com­ many hon. Members possibly did not pletely followed. understand. But that is also a serious So, the University Grants Commis­ problem. The problem is that where sion in the light of these observations in such technical institutions and took up this matter in April 1976 and higher institutions provisions made stgain requested the universities to for students of Scheduled Castes and intimate the present position regard­ Scheduled Tribes, and this particu­ ing reservation of seats in the light of larly relates to the Institutes of Tech­ instructions issued by the Govern­ nology or such institutions of techni­ ment of India. Now the position as cal education, we find that these 9btaining in 110 universities from students are not coming up to the which replies have been received is standards prescribed for them. There­ as follows: fore, even when they are admitted, 49 Universities are observing stric­ they caimot keep pace with the tly instructions issued by the Gov­ method of teaching. So,, this gene­ ernment of India in the matter. Of rates a sense 0f frustration, and just these, 19 universities have indicated to avoid that, I had called a meeting the provision for relaxation of of the representatives of the Sche­ 5 per cent marks for students belong­ duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes ing to Scheduled Castes and Sche­ Commissioner and the Directors o f duled Tribes. In 45 universities the the HTs the other day and we are reservations of seats for students be­ just thinking as to how to meet this longing to Scheduled Castes and problem. So we are thinking o f Scheduled Tribes vary from 3 per cert giving special instructions to these to 33 per cent. So, you see the students and find out some other average is somewhat coming nearer, remedy whereby these frustrations but as ha« already been indicated, 16 can be removed. I am citing these universities have not provided for institutions to show that the provi­ reservation of seats for candidates sion may not be quite satisfactory, beflomging to Scheduled Castes and but there are some backlogs in our Scheduled Tribes. But they have also learning process which cannot be indicated that no difficulties are cured only in a few years time; it being experienced by students be­ will take some time and this sector longing to these categories for ad­ will have to be fostered and nurtured mission to various courses in these with the greatest degree of care that universities. So, the University is available both at the hands of the Grants Commission is very much UGC and at the hands of the autho­ conscious of this fact and it is trying rities of the different universities and to impress upon the universities that colleges. proper facilities must be given to Students belonging to Scheduled That is with regard to the Sche­ Castes and Scheduled Tribes. duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. I agree with the hon. Members that SHRI V AY ALAR RAVI: The hon. the position may not be very bright, Minister has mentioned about the re­ but at least the problem is known and presentation of the Scheduled Castes the problem is sought to be attacked and the Scheduled Tribes. I believe from all angles possible on the part that is not satisfactory. Do you of the Government. I would certain­ agree? ly expect that the hon. Members will DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN­ give us suggestions as to how to DER: I have said that there is al­ tackle the specific problems which ways scope for improvement. In fact arise with regard to this category of sometimes we* find the difficulties even students. in regard to the allotment of seats. Yesterday, Shrimati Goswami in SHRI B. RACHAIAH (Chamaraja- Bengali cited certain statements and nagar): *The Scheduled Castes and 285 Annual Report ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) of U.G.C. 286

Scheduled Tribes students are finding you, Mr. Speaker, know very well it difficult in following the courses that certain latitude had been given in which they are admitted. In cer­ to the students who did not (have tain universities they take the total their examinations in the earlier number of seats available and they stages. We are examining the possi­ make some reservations and then bility of having open universities. At they admit the Scheduled Castes and the present moment we are laying Scheduled Tritoes candidates to the great stress on correspondence courses courses for which they do not want and through that we can reach a , to get admission. There are re­ larger number of students. search workjers, there are trained workers who can train them and In this connection the problem of make them suiable to enroll them­ Delhi University had been raised. selves for these technical courses. The problem of admission is fnot a When you have higher qualification, new problem. We have this problem for educating them as staff members every year but this year perhaps the naturally they require some training. problem has been acute. Before uni­ versity admissions started^ I had a DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- meeting with the Vice Chancellor of DER: I hare understood the pro­ the Delhi University in the presence blem of the hon. Member and I have of some hon. Members of this House already told the House that special who represent the Delhi constituen­ care is being taken so that they may cies and also the chief executive coun­ be given special coaching. I am sorry cillor of the Delhi Administration. We I will not be able tp meet many of discussed the problem and we have the important points that have been indicated the guidelines to accom­ raised; my time is running out and modate the large number of students kindly bear with me for only ten who try to seek admission in various minutes more because at 5.30 I have courses for this year. It has been to close. We had general comments indicated that there must not be any on growth of student enrolment. reduction in actual admission. The Many hon. members have made the target was put at 33,000 last year; point that there is reduction in the this should remain. It has also been process. When we have noted that,, decided to adxtfit 10 per cent more some hon. Members think that it is a students over and above to cover the type of elitist education. Others say dropouts. Additional 1000 seats have that there should be expansion of been provided in the regular colleges its scope. We should like to have a by permitting some colleges to start via media between the two. Instead additional honours and pass courses of having more burden on the uni­ in popular subjects. Seats have been versities and colleges connected with increased by 1500 in the school of them, efforts have been made to in­ correspondence course and by 500 in troduce non formal education and to the non-collegiate women’s education make use of modern mass media and course. The question of starting instruments of mass communication. B. Com. (Hons.) course in the school We have correspondence courses. of correspondence course is under Some hon. Members rightly referred consideration. After having provided to the increase in the number of stu­ additional se?ts as mentioned above, dents in correspondence courses. In if it is found that still more seats some universities radio and television are needed for more admissions, it is are being used for this purpose. The proposed to open evening classes in idea of an open university is being the existing colleges. The real pro­ examined for this purpose. We may blem is that perhaps after two years eome to a point when such an open there may not be so much pressure university may be a reality. At least for admission; because of the 10 plus 2 some steps are being taken in one plus 3 system the number of students university, Karnataka University* and seeking admission in Delhi colleges 287 Annual Report JULY 21, 1977 of U.G.C. 288 [Dr. Pratap Chander Chunder] diate problem, but it will not be a jmay be reduced and if we open new long-term solution. So, we are now colleges immediately they may not having an exercise in looking into this i e viable. That is why it has been system as a whole. As I said during proposed to open evening classes in my speech on the budget demands, a *h*e existing colleges to meet the high-powered committee has been set immediate problem. up for looking into the content. About colleges in rural areas, un­ An hon. member referred to new fortunately the picture is somewhat mathematics, the syllabus etc. I am "bleak because there are already exist­ quite aware of it and I have been ing colleges in rural areas in many myself fighting against this particular parts of the country, but they have new mathematics subject. It may be not been viable. The other day I made optional, it was said by him had a discussion with the Maharash­ tra Education Minister and I have that it had been borrowed from the USA. I might inform him that the also been getting reports from the States through the newspapers. We USA more or less borrowed it from Soviet Russia. In the USA, now find in rural areas there are certain there is second thinking and they intermediate and other colleges where are trying to avoid new mathematics. the admissions have been so low that We are also having a new look at the they are not able to make both ends problems of new mathematics. It meet. may remain as an additional subject. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: A special committee is looking into So far as rural area is concerned, the matter. please go to Manipal and see how it has developed economically. Similarly, in regard to the stage also, we know that there ift DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN­ the problem of the year degree DER: There are exceptional cases. 2 college,, 3 year degree college and so Exception only proves the rule. The on. It will have to be looked into difficulty is, in some cases the system very carefully and we have therefore is not viable. The main difficulty has called a meeting of the Education been created by the sudden imposi­ Ministers of the different States. This tion of the 10-j—2—|—3 system. We have meeting will be held for 2 days, on noted that the Kothari Commission 10th and 1 1 th August next. Problems wanted this to be spread over 20 retating to education in general will years,, but the previous government be discussed. Naturally, problems of tried to impose it all of a sudden. university education and higher edu­ That has created some difficulty in cation also will be discussed there. large parts of the country. Many States have not adopted it. Others I would conclude by appealing have adopted It in principle, but to the hon. members not to con­ they cannot properly work it out. fuse the issue when we are discussing The result is, the + 2 stage is located the problems of education. Each one in schools where they do not have of us has sworn by our Consitiu- laboratories and other, facilities, tion, under VPhich Education is still a whereas the colleges which already State subject, although in the 42nd have such facilities are starving for amendment, it has been brought into want of admission. Therefore, we are the current list. As I explained reverting to the suggestion of the earlier, the Janata Party is committed national policy on education, which to do away with the 42nd amend­ was adopted by this House in 1968, ment. What will happen then 1 do i.e. -f2 stage may be located either not know. We should consider that in the school or in the college or in later. But for the time being, unless both according to local conditions. and until, we pass any law here, we That will somehow solve the imme­ cannot deal with a topic which comes 289 Annual Repdrt ASADHA 30, 1869 (SAKA) kesigndtoh afrit by Member within the scope of the States. There­ be found that under the ^eattftiV*al­ fore, we have to take the States into locations indicated to the universities confidence. In whatever improve­ and institutions deemed to be juuvtfr- ment we would like to make in the sities for the 5th Plan, many of them field of education, we have to get the have been clubbed together with support of the States and their will­ State universities. In one column ing cooperation. And there cannot be we get Rs. 50 lakhs for Kashi yidya* any quarrel between the State and peeth, K. S. Vishwa Vidyalaya at the Centre, whether in the case of Dharbanga, Sampoernanand Sans- language, university education or krit Vishwa Vidyalaya and so on. sehool education. We have,, xhere- Similarly we find allocations of f-ore, called a meeting of the Educa­ Rs. 75 lakhs and Rs. I crore lor tion Ministers to discuss the matter. Agra and Annamalai universities, and A. P. Singh institution at Ber- Before I conclude, I would like to hampur. In this way, it is shown mention one point with regard to the that some of these universities were so-called imbalance in provision of receiving amounts . grants between the Central universi­ MR. SPEAKER: You have already ties and State universities. Hon. encroached upon the time of the Members must remem'ber that the Half-Hour Discussion. Central universities are wholly financ­ ed by the University Grants Commis­ DR. PRATAP CHANDRA CHUN- sion. Their day-to-day expenses as DER: I would like to sit down now; well as development expenses—every­ I thank the hon. Members for the thing—will have to be provided by suggestions that they have made. the UGC, whereas in respect of They will have utmost consideration State universities, there is a provi­ on our part. sion for matching grant, and then again,. UGC gives development grants, PROF. DILIP CHAKR A VAR/TY: but the recurring expenses are either Before the Education Minister con­ met by the funds of the university cludes,. I would like him to say some­ and by those provided by the State thing a'bout the implementation o f the Government. So, what is mentioned UGC pay-scales in all these cases and in the report here, does not actually about ensuring monthly pay-packetB reflect what amounts are being to the teachers, without which educa­ spent by the universities at the tion becomes meaningless. He has State level. Much more is being mentioned nothing about it. This spent there, because States are pro­ problem was raised, as the pro­ viding funds to these universities. blem about corruption going on in That should be borne in mind. Then some of the Central universities. again, the figure* with regard to JNU Or to the Delhi University may v / 17.34 hrs. not be very correct, in their reflec­ tion of the real state of affairs. Much RESIGNATION BY MEMBER of the expenditure which has been MR. SPEAKER: 1 have to infown criticized by the hon. Members was for the establishment of the univer­ the House that I have received a sity itself, and the construction iof letter dated the 21st July, 1977 from its houses^ hostels etc. If we divide Shri N. Sanjiva Reddy, an dleeted this by the number of students it Member from Nandyal constituency would not really reflect the proper of Andhra Pradesh, resigning his seat state of affairs. So we should not in Lok Sabha. Although it is not the make that comparison. practice to inform the House o f the reasons for resignation, in this Parti­ I would like to draw the attention cular case, I am happy to inform the of the hon. Members to Appendix House that he has resigned his seat XII of this report from where it will in Lok Sabha in view of his election 1676 L.S.—10 291 Rural Poor JtftY 2l, 197? (MAM.)

[Mr. Speaker] concentrated in Tamil Nadu, in •as President of the Republic; I have Andhra, in West Bengal, in Karna­ accepted his resignation with effect taka and Maharashtra in that from to-day, the 21st July 1977, after­ order.” noon. Therefore, it is quite clear, the nation should know, this Parliament, 17.35 hrs. this august House should know, what HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION is the actual dimension of the poverty of our country. I am thankful to Rural Poor the Speaker, because he has allowed us to raise this very very important SHRI CHITTA BASU (Barasat): question on the floor of this House. Mr. Speakerf Sir, I rise to raise a discussion on the question relating to As I have mentioned earlier, rural the rural poor in our country. poverty has many facets. I only want to take some of them. One is (Miss A bha Maiti in the Chair) rural indebtedness. Let us try to Madam Chairman, rural poverty has identify the magnitude of the rural got many facets of its own. As I indebtedness. In that respect, I again have got very little time at my dis­ rely on a statement made by the Re­ posal, I think you will agree with serve Bank of India. I shall say me that all the factors cannot be nothing from memory or sources discussed in a proper way, and in a which have no governmental autho­ proper manner. Therefore, I shall rity. This is from the All India limit myself to certain facets only so Debt and Investment Survey conduct­ that I can bring to the notice of the ed by. the Reserve Bank of India ls House the immensity or the alarming on 30th June, 1971. There is a long proportion of the problem. list, State by State. In view of the shortage of time, I do not like to But my first endeavour would be mention the figure of rural indebted­ to really locate or rather identify the ness for each State, but I certainly dimension of the rural poor. In this want to mention certain States. For effort, instead of marshalling facts example, I will mention Tamil Nadu, and figures and statistics from other where the total indebtedness is sources, I would like merely to rely Rs. 447 crores, and Andhra Pradesh upon the editorial today in the Eco­ Rs. 444 crores. Then I come to UP, nomic Times. In that editorial it has where it is of the order of Rs. 475 been succintly pointed out: crores. As I belong to West Bengal, I shall not do any injustice to my “According to the National Sample State also and to the poor people of Survey of 1975 one Indian out of my State. There the figure is Rs. 122 every five is a severe destitute, crores. If you total it up, it comes to one in every three is a destitute about Rs. 4,000 crores. and nearly half the population of the country is below the poverty Even a casual glance or a bird’s tine. The poor number over 245 eye view would reveal that the total million.” liabilities of the rural households amount to a staggering figure of It goes on further to state: Rs. 3,921 crores, to be more exact. It “In rural India nearly 200 million further reveals that UP have a share people could sj)end less than 92 of Rs. 475 crores, Tamil Nadu Rs. 447 paise a day on bare necessities.” crores, Andhra Pradesh Rs. '444 crores, Karnataka Rs. 400 crores and It further continues to say: West Bengal Rs. 122 crores. On “The poorest rural householdc On futher scrutiny it is found that out with assets less than Rs. 500 are of total liabilities of all the rural house- 293 Rural Poor ASADHA 30, 1899 (SAKA) (H.A.H.) 294 hold, the share of liabilities of landless one year or merely to scale down the and those owning land upto five acres debts, the object was not there to can­ was estimated at 48.72 per cent mean­ cel the debt. Therefore. I want to ing thereby that this weaker section of point out to the hon. House that if we the community owns a debt burden of want to properly tackle tne problem, about 2000 crores approximately. That Government will have to take measures is the report as on June, 1971. There­ to see that all the debts of the rural fore, I would urge, up on this House poor agricultural laboUr, rural artisans to really understand the magnitude of with Rs. 5000 income per annum, mar­ this problem. These statistics pose a ginal farmers with 5 acres of land— very gigantic problem as to how liqui­ should be immediately cancelled. date rural indebtedness. This is the Therefore, I say that this should be biggest problem which the Janata Gov­ the new guideline. Because of the ernment has to face today. It is not changed condition.3 of the country, the only the Janata Government but the Janata Government should frame new entire House, the entire nation has to guidelines immediately. lace this problem. I would not say that the matter has not been received AN HON. MEMBER: Will this in­ the attention of the Government all clude Government "loan also? these years. Certain actions were taken and I want to mention them. But SHRI CHITTA BASU: As far as I what we ®mphacise is that the actions have understood the guidelines, these which have been taken are too ade­ does not include th£ debt from Govern­ quate to meet the challenge, to fight the ment, from cooperatives. I think, in monster poverty. the matter of computing indebtedness, debts taken from the Government, An inter-ministerial group consisting from the cooperatives, should also be of representatives of the Ministry of taken into account. Law, Home Affairs, Finance, Reserve Bank ot India and Central Statisical Organisation recommended the follow­ In this debt is cancelled, that does ing auideMnes in July, 1975; not mean that the present-day rural population will not need further loan. Moneylenders have been abolished com­ 1. Suitable legislation for imposition pletely by legislation. But no substi­ of moratorium on debts due from land­ tute source of providing credit has been less labourers, marginal farmers, small created as yet. In this matter, an ex­ farmers or rural artisans for a period pert committee has been appointed and of one year, that Committee has estimated that Rs. 175 crores will be needed to meet 2. Legislation to cover total relief in the consumption needs and they have the case of marginal farmers, land­ limited their study to those persons less labourers, rural artisans whose who have 5 acres of land. The Gov­ house hold income does not exceed ernment should not accept the recom­ Rs. 2400 per annum. mendations of this Committee and new guidelines should be formulated so that 3. Le?islation for the liquidation of consumption loan should be extended rural debt by stages. to all the rural poor so that the mini­ mum needs of the entire rural poor 0n the basis of these guidelines, can be met. legislations were enacted in various States but tbev were not adequate to Now, the question of rural unemploy­ meet the challenge. I merelv want to ment comes. Here the crucial question point out that the object of the guide­ of land reforms comes. Unless you lines was very much limited. The clearly bring about land reforms, the pbject was tp declare moratorium lor question of providing employment to *$5 Jtaral Poor JULY 21, 1977 (H.A.R.)' 296

[Shri Chitta Basu] gard to all these facts, I suggest the die rural population cannot be guaran­ following measures to be taken up by teed. In this respect, I want to tell the the Government. Firstly, a high- House the sordid performance of the powered committee should be set up «*stwhl)e Congress Government. I to make an in-depth study of the prob­ have get these figures with me. It lem in its comprehensive nature, to says ttiat the total area which was de­ recommend measures on long-term clared surplus as on 30th April, 1977 is basis and also, by way of Short-term 37,G8,

[Shri K. Lakkappa] they are evicted from their lands. Even the poor agricultural labourers, the poor because the policy of the who had been distributed the Govern­ present Government is coming in the ment—vested land, are being evicted way of helping the poor, in the way from those lands. Under these cir­ of bringing any far-reaching and cumstances, we find that the feudal revolutionary changes in the society. land relationship, the feudal exploita­ I can see the thinking of the present tion, the feudal mentality, is the main Government. They are not for the cause of rural indebtedness and rural poor people; they only pay lip-sym- poverty So, I would like to know pathy and shed crocodile tears. I from the hon. Minister what steps want to tell them that these things Government are going to take to end will not work. It is no use apnoint- this feudal exploitation. If Govern­ ing only committees and commissions ment wants to end this feudal exploi­ because the present Government is tation, is there any proposal with them very famous for appointing committees for radical land reforms? Is there and commissions. I would like to •any proposal with the Government so know what is their comprehensive that the agricultural labourers will get plan to help the rural poor, as a short­ their minimum wage? What steps are term measure, immediately, without Government going to take to save the loss of any time, what is the thinking share-croppers from eviction? To all of the Janata Government in eradi­ these questions, I want pnswers from cating rural poverty once and for all, the Government. by what time they'are going to do it, what is the time limit that they are SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contain going to fix for the purpose—because I know this is a fantastic problem for they have fixe'd ten years to tackle the the Janata Government to tackle— unemplovment problem. I want to even to reduce poverty, let alone re­ know whether the Janata Govern­ moving poverty.- such is th* extent of ment is coming forward with a com­ poverty of the rural population. I also prehensive programme, as a short­ know that it cannot be tackled by the term measure, and by what point of Agriculture Minister alone but that it time their Ministry is thinking of has to be done in cooperation with the bringing such a measure—to eradicate Minister of Finance as the policy of poverty from this country. banking is also involved. I would like SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL- to tell my friend Shri Lakkappa that DER (Durgapur): You know. Sir. the there is a 30 years’ backlog and the rural poor consists of agricultural exploitation of rural people has become labour, share-cronpers and poor pea­ worse in the 30 years’ rule of the erst­ sants. The situation has become so while Congress Government. (Inter­ ruption) . ^ravp and horrible that the hon. Prime Minister—this news has appeared to­ Now, I would like to ask the Minister day in the newsDapers—has written a a few categorical questions. Firstly, letter to the Chief Minister of Uttar in reply to one of my questions earlier, Pradesh. Shri Ram Naresh Yadav, and as to whether the Central loan given to the Chief Minister of Bihar. Shri to agriculturists in the drought-prone Karpoori Thakur, to ^ave the rural areas can be immediately remitted, I poor from the attack of the landlords was told that the State Government and bi? land-owners: he has urged can do it. I would like to know upon the Chief Minister to take urgent whether this policy will be pursued. and proper steDS to save the rural noor. As you know, tne agricultural Secondly, I would like to know labourers are not getting the minimum whether the Government will take cer- wage fixed by the Government. The ta:n adequate measures to see whether, share-croppers are prevented from be­ bv single stroke, it is possible to com­ ing recorded as share-croppers and pletely abolish rural indebtedness by 3Gi kurat Poof ASAOttA 30, 1899 (SAtiA) (HAM.) 30I bringing in a new type of banking cent of the families living in rural policy so that the rural people, instead areas. So, it was a big problem and of going to landlords and money-len­ the States started passing legislation ders, can derive benefit from the rural according to the guidelines and most of banking system. That is the crux of the States (I have got all the data with the problem and only if we tackle that me) passed legislation mainly for can we remove poverty. giving maximum benefit to the poorer sections of society. For example, in SHRI S. KUNDU (Balasore): Be­ Assam the As^am Rural Indebtedness fore the Minister replies, I want to Act was passed in 1976 which was for draw his attention... the benefit of categories like margi­ nal farmers, landless labourers and MR. CHAIRMAN: There is no time artisans. The object was total dis­ please. Only four people have given charge of debts of ‘scheduled debtors’ notices and they have been called. and moratorium on debts due from Please don’t waste time. marginal farmers and agricultural labourers with land-holdings upto SHRI S. KUNDU: That is why, I eight bighas upto 8-11-77. The want only to say that in regard to relief was: total discharge of debt to the1 problem of backward States, I artisans with land-holdings upto 2 think he should also make some sort bighas and income limit of Rs. 1800/- of a policy announcement. per annum and of “scheduled debtors”. The weaker sections the society THE MINISTER OF AGRICUL­ were cared for in the first instance. TURE AND IRRIGATION (SHRI In West Bengal, the Act was passed SURJIT SINGH BARNALA): Though in 1975 and then there was some the time for discussion was very amendment in 1976. The categories limited, it has been a useful discus­ covered were: marginal farmers, sion and I am thankful to the hon. small farmers, share croppers, land­ Members. less labourers and artisans. Total This problem of rural indebted­ discharge benefit was given to margi­ nal farmers, whose land is unirrigat­ ness has been a very serious one for the last many years. This was so ed, share croppers, landless labourers during the British regime and after and artisans with income upto Rs. that, also, it has been so far the last 2400/- per annum. In the case of 30 years. Only in 1975 some action small farmers, marginal farmers with was taken in this direction and, consi­ irrigated land, the debt was scaled dering the magnitude of the problem, down to 20 per cent of the estimated certayi guidelines w&re issued to the gross value of agricultural produce, State. As my friend Shri Bosu has multiplied by 7 repayable in seven stated, the guidelines were issued to years. In some States, legislations all the States. Certain States passed have been passed already. The Gov­ legislation in accordance with the ernment of Bihar has taken action in guidelines while certain others have respect of total discharge of debt of not complied strictly with the guide­ all categories having land upto 4 lines. Probably Mr. Bosu did not acres. The State Governments of have all the facts with him. Guide­ Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Andhra lines regarding redemption of debt in Pradesh have passed legislations in the case of the weaker categories and respect of total discharge of debt of scaling down in the case of . other categories having land upto five acres. categories were issued. The total This is what has been done... (Inter­ amount of rural indebtedness was to ruptions) but we cannot remedy all the tune of Rs. 3,921 crores. It was the ills that have been left by the calculated that up to the extent of previous Government in a short five acres the indebtedness was Rs. period. We are, however, trying our 1,910 crores, covering about. 78 per best to do it___(Interruptions). Poor JULY 2i, 1977 (hjiMj 304

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