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The Catskill Canister October—December 2014 www.catskill-3500-club.org Volume 47 Number 4 Trail Mix: Views from the Top News & Notes From The Club The President’s Column

Save the Date!! s I write this, we’ve had a cool summer, with sporadic, but often heavy, rain fall. The Catskills The Farmer’s Almanac is saying we are going to have Aare very dry now. If you go camping, please be a real winter this year, so be sure to mark your calendars very careful. Since it has not been too hot, maybe this for the annual Catskill 3500 Club Winter Weekend was a boon to summer hiking. How many peaks did you January 23 - 25, 2015. As in the past few years, we climb? will be at the Frost Valley YMCA and we will offer a Fall is fast approaching, and this means even cooler variety of excursions, from easier ones for those new temperatures. Make sure you start bringing warmer to winter hiking or more challenging adventures for layers. experienced members. Details will be on the website soon or contact Maria Bedo (winterweekend@catskill- I’ll just mention that The Lark In The Park, which is 3500-club.org) or (917) 881-9272. an ongoing celebration of the Centennial of the Catskill Park, takes place in September and October. Find out Spotted in “Peeks” Magazine more at http://catskillslark.org/ We will again be holding Winter Preparation classes. The opening story by Maria Bedo #1851 with a Also, we will be offering a new class on Map Reading. picture also of Joe Bogardus #1399 taken by Jay Hui This class will start out assuming you are a complete Continued on page 3... beginner to Maps and compasses. Check the Schedule for details. Electronic Canister Project I am married to a hunter, and we hike/hunt throughout Update: hunting season(s). The club has an informal policy that does not allow official hikes during big game season. n the previous issue of The Catskill Canister Would you go hiking in the Catskills during this time, we asked for email address updates. Using if it were offered? (I once saw a sign in NY State that Ithe addresses we had, a link to the Canister said that a particular area was off limits to hikers during was emailed to all current and life members and hunting season. Aren’t hunters hiking?!) aspirants. Many addresses “bounced” and we Finally, it’s still a ways off, but Winter Weekend will be tried to contact the member for an update. If you held again next January at Frost Valley. The club will didn’t receive an email from us, please submit one. try to cover all 4 required winter peaks that weekend, on Remember, the Yahoo Group is separate; receiving both days, plus others. See “Save the Date” in Trail Mix posts from the group does not mean that we have to contact Maria for lodging and meal details. your email in our database. How am I doing? Let me know if you have questions, Thanks, comments, or suggestions. Dave and Mike Tom Rankin - President Page 2 The Catskill Canister October—December 2014 The Catskill Canister Conservation Corner A Note from our Conservation Chair, Carol White President Tom Rankin eautiful monarch butterflies are endangered. [email protected] Only 3% of migrating monarch butterflies remain Bdue to the vast loss of milkweed, the only plant Editor where monarchs lay their eggs. Milkweed loss is caused Kevin Morgan by the use of the herbicide Roundup (glyphosate) used by [email protected] state and local governments to manage vegetation along highways. The National Resources Defense Council Annual Dinner Chairman (NRDC) envisions a nationwide planting of milkweed Michael E. Doehring along roadsides. State and local authorities do react to [email protected] public opinion, so we are asked to find out whether our 7 Cloverdale Ave. White Plains, NY 10603 (914) 761-7225 local roadsides are being doused with herbicides and to urge practices to promote milkweed growth. NRDC has Photo Editor partnered with Monarch Watch to help plant milkweed Katie Anello at schools and other nonprofit properties nationwide, but [email protected] we’ll need a radical change in roadside management. As Adopt-a-Highway sponsors, the Catskill 3500 Club can Membership have clout regarding this issue. David White [email protected] On another issue, ADK is very concerned about the 28 Mulberry St. Clinton, NY 13323 proposed Canadian Pacific rail transport of Alberta Tar (315) 853-1070 Sand bitumen—heavy crude oil—along the shores of Lake Champlain. Light crude oil is now transported and Subscriptions/Aspirants while an accident would be terrible, it can be cleaned up Mike Dwyer with current technology. Heavy crude cannot. Canadian [email protected] Pacific is asking the DEC for a permit to construct an 237 April Lane advanced heating unit in Albany that will facilitate Bayport, NY 11705 transport of heavy crude oil onto barges and tankers to Outings refineries. Lake Champlain is the drinking water supply for Manuel A. Peraza a quarter-million people and has great ecological, fishery [email protected] and aquatic habitat value. Because of risk of accidents 23 Kathy Pl., #2B Staten Island, NY 10314 and derailments—such as the Kalamazoo River spill (718) 698-4422 where 180,000 gallons of Tar Sand oil still exist in spite of a four-year billion-dollar cleanup—ADK wants EPA T-Shirt Coordinator and DEC to ask the U.S. Department of Transportation to Ira Orenstein evaluate safer routes of heavy crude transport. ADK also [email protected] asks EPA to create a Geographic Response Plan for Lake 18 Interlaken Ave Champlain that addresses how to deal with a possible New Rochelle, NY 10801-1102 heavy crude spill into Lake Champlain. The Catskill Canister is published four times yearly by the Catskill 3500 Club, Inc. for $10.00 a year. Articles, not previ- ously published, of less than 1100 words on hiking, essays, or poetry, should be sent to [email protected].

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Nominal dates for receiving the Canister are: Mar 15, Jun 15, Sep 15, and Dec 15. A handful of Canadian oil sands/Source: Suncor October—December 2014 The Catskill Canister Page 3 New Members 2278 Emil Calderon 03/15/14 In Memoriam 2279 David Lucander 03/23/14 2280 Ursula Lucander 03/23/14 Ruth M. Robinson, Life member #88, 2281 Jeremy Preston 04/12/14 winter #231, 9/28/13 46er 2282 Stephen Russell 04/11/14 2283 David C Larson 03/29/14 Toshiko d’Elia, member #113, 2284 Jean-Francois Lebeau 01/05/13 winter #30, 2/19/14, 46er 765 2285 Melanie Bergeron 01/05/13 2286 Karin Constant 03/27/78 Robert A.Veino, member #513, 5/01/14, 2287 Yong Soo Kim 05/04/14 46er 2041W 2288 Young Hee Lee 05/04/14 2289 Jason Del Nero 01/19/14 Anthony N Roscigno, member #526, 6/29/13, 2290 Andrea Ward 05/24/14 46er 1746. 2291 John R Slosson 05/31/14 2292 Mark Haugli 05/14/14 2293 Matthew Heckler 04/09/14 Trail Mix, continued from page 1 2294 Levi Rupp 06/01/14 #1546. The back cover was Doug Garrity #1757 and 2295 Kyle Meredith 05/27/14 Suzanne Provenzano #1968. Fran Shumway #2049 had 2296 Jon Meredith 05/27/14 an article on trail maintenance. Peter Nye #2107 had a 2297 Sandra Foley 06/15/14 bushwhacking article (without the rewards of a canister!) 2298 David Chun Many, many, members were mentioned as trail work 2299 Kimberly Cuozzo 06/17/14 participants; we all have an opportunity to do that closer to 2300 Darren Sinnott 06/18/14 “home” – hint, hint. Our club’s “requirement” to hike the 2301 Barbara Ann Place 12/31/13 four winter peaks introduces our members to the beauty 2302 Danielle DeGraw 06/14/14 of winter hiking and many go on to pursue our winter 2303 Nancy Buckley 06/29/14 patch; some become winter 46ers and were listed in the 2304 Robert Buckley 06/29/14 latest issue. Throughout the magazine were members: 2305 Stefan Lisowski 07/26/14 Terri Maxymillian, Mark Atchinson, Bud Barner, Chris 2306 Guncel Karadogan 08/02/14 & Janine Baker, Mark Epstein, Carol Nestor, John Sasso and others, we are sure. Neil Woodworth, the executive New Winter Members director of the Adirondack Mountain Club, has been our advocate for the Catskill Forest Preserve in Albany and 0934 Emil Calderon 2278 03/15/14 reports to us annually at the club dinner each spring. His 0935 Melissa Martinko 2267 03/16/14 wife Holly was “not going to be a 46er like my husband” 0936 David Chun 2298 until she “changed her mind.” Our mountains have a 0937 Barbara Ann Place 2301 03/21/14 way of doing that to us! (Note: Peeks is the magazine of the ADK 46ers, and Adirondac that of the Adirondack New Life Members Mountain Club—You can find “Peek Magazine” on the web at: http://adk46er.org/about/peeks_magazine.html 2298 David Chun —Ed.)

The club welcomes David Chun as a Life Member, as New Trail Conference Program well as regular and winter. As the leader of NY Sansaram, Starting this July, a new partnership between the New a Korean hiking group, David has led members twice a York-New Jersey Trail Conference (Trail Conference) week for 20 years. The tally sheet usually records the and the New York State Department of Environmental first time each peak was climbed. These dates were unavailable. Continued on page 7... Page 4 The Catskill Canister October—December 2014 Rambles and Brambles: Hike Schedule October — December 2014 Assumed Risk: Hiking involves certain inherent risks and persons participating do so at their own risk. In cold weather hike participants should avoid cotton clothing, as it retains dampness and the resulting chill can result in hypothermia, which can lead to death. Instead, wear (and have available in your pack) garments of wool or fleece. Silk or polypropylene make the best base layers, as they tend to wick moisture away from the body. Hats, gloves and a headlamp must be part of the standard fall kit. Ice and snow can come early and unexpectedly to these peaks; if there is any doubt about the conditions that may be encountered, each hiker is strongly advised to bring snowshoes and full crampons to the trailhead; the leader may advise that these do not have to be taken on the hike, but be aware that while there may be bare ground at the trailhead, there is often very significant ice and snow as the elevation increases, which could result in those improperly prepared being sent back. Anyone not properly equipped may be refused permission to participate, at the leader’s absolute discretion. Fall in the Catskills is not to be treated lightly. Rating System: Please be advised that the hikes listed herein would most likely be rated more difficult by clubs who hike in non-mountainous terrains Private Property: All Catskill 3500 Club hikes respect “No Trespassing” signs and the owners’ wishes in such regards; leaders shall obtain permission to cross private property when so required. Volunteer to Lead: If you are a member of the Club please consider becoming a hike leader. Just contact Manuel Peraza [outings@catskill- 3500-club.org ; 718-698-4422 (7 p.m.-9 p.m.)], and he will arrange to add you to the low-volume private Yahoo list through which hikes are coordinated. You will be contacted via this means when hikes are needed. Group Size: All Club hikes are limited to 12 participants including the leaders. The DEC limits group size to 12 in the Wilderness Areas. Accordingly, all Club hikes allow no more than 12 participants. If in doubt, please contact the leader. Sat. Oct. 4 -- PEEKAMOOSE & TABLE TRAIL Sat., Oct. 11 – PLATEAU TO INDIAN HEAD MAINTENANCE TRAVERSE Come join us for our annual fall maintenance day. Even though a trail (the Devil’s Path) runs through the Bring work gloves and tools if you have ones you like summits of all four of these Catskill 3500 peaks, the to use: loppers or hand clippers, garden hoe, hand saw. rugged terrain and significant accumulated elevation If you don’t have tools, the Club will supply them. gain make this a hike that should be attempted only by Climb two peaks and do something for the Catskills at those with substantial recent hiking experience. the same time. This event is work but it is fun as well. Distance: 9.5 mi. Ascent: 4,060' Elev. Refreshments at end of day. 3840'/3800'/3640'/3573' Leaders: Cathy O’Neill and Phil Knudson. Contact: Registration Period: Oct. 2nd to Oct. 9th Cathy O’Neill: [email protected] (preferred), or Leader: Hans Schick #1853, W759; Hans.W.Schick@ 914-737-4990 H 914-772-7423 C gmail.com (preferred); (845) 896-6454 (7 to 10 PM)

Sun., Oct. 5 – LONE & ROCKY Sun., Oct. 12 – WESTKILL MT. Distance: 11 mi. Ascent: 2000', Elev. 3721', 3508' Distance: 6.4/7.75 mi. Ascent: 1800'/2100' Elev: 3880' A very difficult, long and strenuous bushwhack to the An easy to moderately paced trail hike. Shuttled most remote peaks. Well behaved dogs welcome. required for one of two possible routes. Registration Period: Oct. 1st and Oct. 2nd Registration Period: By Sat. 10/11/14 at noon. Leader: Doug Garrity #1757; [email protected] Leader: Wanda Davenport #523; [email protected]

Sun., Oct. 12 – HALCOTT MT. Distance: 3.2 mi. Ascent:1570', Elev. 3520' Slow-paced bushwhack. All weather hike. Registration Period: Oct.6th through Oct.11th (email preferred) Leader: Richard Williams #2175 #899: rwilliams22@ nycap.rr.com (518) 294-6406

In case of bad weather or dangerous conditions, hikes may be canceled; if in doubt contact the leader. October—December 2014 The Catskill Canister Page 5 Sat. Oct.18 -WITTENBERG, CORNELL AND Sat., Nov. 8 – ADOPT-A-HIGHWAY CLEAN-UP SLIDE. As part of the state-wide, Adopt-a-Highway program, Distance: 10 mi. Ascent: 2230', Elev. 3940', 3660', 4180' please join us to help clean up the Club’s segment of A moderate paced hike. Rain cancels. Rt. 214. Bring work gloves and a great attitude. All Registration Period: Oct.13 through 16th after 7:00pm. else will be provided, including refreshments at end. It Leader: Suzanne Knabe #1326; [email protected]; only takes a few hours, you’ll have the rest of the day to 718 435-3092 after 7:00pm yourself and have done a good thing for the Catskills. Leader: Contact: Cathy O’Neill: [email protected] Sun., Oct. 19 – BIG INDIAN AND FIR (preferred), or 914-737-4990 H, 914-772-7423 C Distance: 9.9 mi. Ascent:2450' Elev. 3700' 3610' Slow-paced bushwhack all weather hike. Sat., Nov. 8 – NORTH DOME & SHERRILL Registration Period: Oct. 13th through Oct.18th (email Distance: 6.5 mi. Ascent: 2700' Elev. 3610' & 3540' preferred) A relaxed-pace bushwhack that requires a car-shuttle Leader: Richard Williams #2175 #899: rwilliams22@ Registration Period: Oct. 30th through Nov. 6th nycap.rr.com (518) 294-6406 Leader: Hans Schick #1853, W759 [email protected] (preferred); (845) 896-6454 Sat., Oct. 25 – HUNTER & SW HUNTER (7 to 10 PM) Distance: 10 mi. Ascent: 2225' Elev. 4040', 3740' A moderately paced trail hike. Sun., Nov. 9 – GRAHAM & BALSAM LAKE Registration Period: by Oct. 23rd. Distance: 8 mi. Ascent:2040', Elev. 3723', 3868' Leader: Carol Nestor, #1325. 914-683-3858. NCA 9 pm A moderately paced trail hike and bushwhack. Well behaved dogs welcome. Sun., Oct. 26 – SUGARLOAF Registration Period: Oct. 26th and Nov. 6th to register. Distance: 8 mi. Ascent: 1800', Elev. 3800'. Leader: Douglas Garrity #1757 and Suzanne A Kid’s hike to Sugarloaf. While short and steep, the Provenzano #1968, [email protected] kids will love the rock scrambles! Registration Period: Between Oct. 19th through Sat., Nov. 15 – HUNTING SEASON BEGINS – NO Oct.24th. HIKING SCHEDULED. Leaders: Tom and Laurie Rankin #’s 1503, 1337; [email protected] (preferred); 845-926-2182 Sun., Nov. 16 – NO HIKING SCHEDULED.

Sat., Nov. 1 – TABLE & PEEKAMOOSE Sat., Nov. 22 – NO HIKING SCHEDULED Distance: 10 mi. Ascent: 2700'. Elev. 3843', 3847' A long, moderately paced trail hike with views. Sun., Nov. 23 – NO HIKING SCHEDULED Registration Period: Oct. 25 through Oct. 31. Leader: Al Davis # 2192; [email protected]; Sat., Nov. 29 – NO HIKING SCHEDULED 518-947-6407. Sun., Nov. 30 – NO HIKING SCHEDULED Sun., Nov. 2 – DOUBLETOP Distance: 5.9 mi. Ascent: 1874' Elev. 3860'. Fri., Dec. 5 – WINTER HIKING PRIMER Slow-Paced bushwhack. All weather hike. While the Catskills are sometimes seen as ‘easy’ peaks, Registration Period: Oct. 27th – Nov. 1st they can present formidable challenges to the Winter Leader: Richard Williams #2175; #899; rwilliams22@ hiker. Tom and Laurie Rankin have climbed all of the nycap.rr.com (preferred) (518) 294-6406 Catskill 3500 peaks at least twice in Winter, as well as all the 4000'+ peaks in the North East. They will share their winter mountaineering skills, learned over many years, during an early evening indoor presentation. Bring your gear! This would be a great way to help get ready for winter weekend! continued on page 6 Page 6 The Catskill Canister October—December 2014 Hike Schedule Continued... Sun., Dec. 21 – FRIDAY & BALSAM CAP Leaders: Tom & Laurie Rankin #s 1503, 1337, Distance: 6 mi. Ascent: 2700' Elev: 3694', 3623' [email protected] (preferred), 845-926-2182. Strenuous bushwhack to two remote peaks. Location: Catskill Center for Conservation & Well behaved dogs welcome. Development Time: 6:30 pm to 8:30 pm Registration Period: Dec. 15 – Dec. 19 Leader: Bill Winterbottom #1904; Billw@usdsoftware. Sat., Dec. 6 - THE FREEDOM OF MAP READING com; 973-222-1077. Ever want to go there? Have you simply picked a place on a map and wonder how do I get there? We’ll start Sun., Dec. 21 – RUSK with the basics and end by helping you successfully plan Distance: 4 mi. Ascent: 1600' Elev: 3680' a trip to anywhere! Compass basics included, so bring A relaxed-paced bushwhack. one if you own one. Classroom only, no field excercises A short bushwhack for the shortest day. for this basic class. Registration Period: Dec. 13 through Dec. 20. Leaders: Tom & Laurie Rankin #s 1503, 1337, Leader: Al Davis # 2192; [email protected]; [email protected] (preferred), 845-926-2182. \518-947-6407 Location: Catskill Center for Conservation & Development Time: 6:30 pm to 8:00 pm Sat., Dec. 27 – WINDHAM Distance: 7 mi. Ascent:1800', Elev. 3524' Sun., Dec. 7 – HUNTING SEASON ENDS – NO A leisurely paced trail hike along the Escarpment Trail. HIKING SCHEDULED. Registration Period: By Dec. 24. Leader: Sue Kenyon #1774; [email protected]; Sat., Dec. 13 – KAATERSKILL H.P. 917-613-2042. Distance: 7.8 mi. Ascent:1951' Elev. 3655' Slow-paced trail hike All weather hike. Sun., Dec. 28 – BALSAM AND EAGLE Registration Period: Dec. 7th through Dec. 12th Distance: 8.8 mi. Ascent: 2910' Elev. 3600' and 3600' Leader: Richard Williams #2175 #899: rwilliams22@ Moderately paced trail hike. Steep in sections. nycap.rr.com (preferred) (518) 294-6406 Registration: Dec. 11th through Dec. 26th Leader: Ryan Sloan #2212; [email protected]; Sun., Dec. 14 – PANTHER VIA FOX HOLLOW 201-956-0371 Distance: 9 mi. Ascent: 2850', Elev. 3720' Moderately paced trail hike. Well behaved dogs welcome. Registration Period: Nov. 30 through Dec. 11th Leaders: Doug Garrity, #1757, Suzanne Provenzano #1968, [email protected]

Sat., Dec. 20 - VLY & BEARPEN Distance: 7.0 mi. Ascent: 2100' Elev. 3529' & 3600' A relaxed-pace hike along old roads, herd paths, and snow-mobile trails. Registration Period: Dec. 11th through Dec. 18th Leader: Hans Schick #1853, W759 [email protected] (preferred); (845) 896-6454 (7 to 10 PM)

Hunter Mountain Fire Tower by David White October—December 2014 The Catskill Canister Page 7 Trail Mix, continued from page 3 Conservation (DEC) is working to increase the number of volunteers working across the Catskill Park and the Catskill Mountains region. The Catskill Conservation Corps (CCC), based on the Trail Conference’s existing model of volunteer management and development which they currently maintain 200 miles of trails and 30 backcountry shelters in the Catskills, will promote and manage volunteer resources and opportunities to help New York State and the DEC preserve and protect the natural resources of the Catskills.

Through the Catskill Conservation Corps, the Trail Conference will recruit and supervise volunteers to perform various stewardship tasks in conjunction with View of Black Dome from Black Head by Tom Rankin DEC’s efforts in the Catskills. The two-year contract is funded through the Environmental Protection Fund (EPF), with an option to extend the agreement for an additional three years. DEC will identify specific needs and the Trail Conference will recruit, train and supervise volunteers working on specific projects across multiple DEC divisions and at various sites in the Catskills. Project may include trail construction and maintenance, fish sampling, invasive species control, research and monitoring of State Lands, and a broad range of other activities.

To learn more about the Catskill Conservation Corps and how you can get involved with stewardship activities in the Catskills, please visit:

www.catskillconservationcorps.org. View of Cornell and Wittenburg from Balsam Cap by J.R. Slosson

View of Twin from Sugarloaf by Steve Smith View of Peekamoose from Lone by John Barringer Page 8 The Catskill Canister October—December 2014 the Catskills peaks I’ve been able to talk to repeaters all Ham Radio and Hiking the way back on Long Island. That’s about 35 miles per By Kevin Morgan, AB2ZI, #2032 watt! Not only that, but nowadays many repeaters have connections to the internet and make use of VOIP (voice ne of the things so often stressed among hikers over internet protocol) to connect repeaters all over the and hiking groups is to be prepared for the worst. world. With these linked repeaters I can be talking on top Whether it’s carrying first aid supplies, a space O of Slide Mountain and be simultaneously heard on Long blanket, extra food and water or some sort of shelter, the Island, in Maine, Florida, California and any country who idea is that should something unexpected happen and you has a repeater connected to the same link. find yourself (or others) stranded or injured, you’ll be in much better shape to get through it if you’re properly There are many stories out there of hams helping to equipped. rescue stranded hikers, a quick Google search with the words, “ham radio hiker rescue” will turn up several One item that just about everyone carries these days is pages. a cell phone. We can hardly live without them and I can’t count the number of times I’ve stopped for a break to Getting your ham radio license is easy, too. There are 3 check out a view and invariably out come the cell phones levels of licensing. The entry level is called the Technician to check messages, send photos or texts, or just to call License and gives licensees privileges on mostly VHF and home to say “hey honey, I’m still alive.” The problem UHF (very- and ultra-high frequencies). These are the with cell phones is that they are small, low power line- frequencies you get with most walkie-talkies and are the of-sight radios that need to connect to their network, ones most repeaters work with. Oh, and before I forget, usually via a cell tower, in order to work. At the least you have to study and take a test for these licenses. The most require a wi-fi connection to the internet in order Technician and General licenses are 35 question multiple to send out a text message. Personally I have an iPhone choice exams, and the highest license, Amateur Extra, is with AT&T so I can’t make a phone call in the middle 50 questions. Besides requiring a license to prove you of Manhattan standing right next to a cell site! So what know how to operate properly, your FCC license gives other options are available to you? you the authority to repair, modify and build your own equipment—provided you stay within the regulations Well, you could carry a personal locator beacon. These concerning power output and proper signal forming. You are becoming more and more popular especially among can get more information about ham radio and find out solo hikers in heavy wilderness areas. These will run you where you can get study materials and take the test at the between $140 and $400 or so and some have some pretty American Radio Relay League’s website: neat features like 2-way messaging. Some also require a subscription to their service for some features. http://www.arrl.org/licensing-education-training Another option is amateur, aka “ham,” radio. There’s You can also feel free to contact me directly with any a saying among hams that when all else fails, ham radio questions you may have at [email protected]. works! Ham radio also has a lot in common with hikers. Oh, and my friend and I are planning on setting up on Hikers bag peaks and so do hams! There’s an international top of Slide Mountain either Saturday, September 13th group called Summits on the Air (SOTA—see http://www. or that Sunday, weather permitting. I’ll have both VHF/ sota.org.uk/) that encourages radio operators to climb to UHF radios and an HF radio and will be making contacts the summits of mountains, set up radio stations and make for the North America SOTA weekend event. contact with other hams around the world. Hams also collect contacts with fire towers, just like hikers. Something else that is available to hams are what are called repeaters which allow small low power walkie- talkies (usually about 5 watts) to be relayed through high power transmitters located in geographically desirable locations, that is, high on top of a mountain, tower or building. There are lots of times when I have no cell service in the Catskills but am able to reach local Here’s me and a friend on top of Windham H.P. repeaters and find people to talk to. In fact, on many of trying to talk to a ham radio satellite.