Jesus' Holy Name

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- ' Doorkeeper: ''Attention Member of the House of Representatives, the House kill convene in fifteen minutes.'' Doorkeeper: ''A1l persom not entitled to the House, please retire to the gallery .'' ' : Speaker Xedmond: î'The Housè will qome to order and tbe Members please be in their seats. We will be 1ed in prayer by ! Reverend Kruegery thé House Chaplain .f' Reverend Krueger: HIn the name of t%e Pather, the Son and the

. Holy Ghost. Amen. 0 Lord, bless thfs Bouse to Thy service this day. Amen. It is written in verses 9-11 of Psalm 57: I will praise Tbee, 0 Lord, among the people. I wi11 sing unto Thee among the nations. For Thy mercy is great unto the heavens, and $:y trut: unto the clouds. Be Thou exalted, 0 God: above the heavens: 1et Thy glory be above a11 the earth. tet us pray. 0 Lord God Almighty, our heavenly Fatber, we are grateful for these moments we are enabled to spend with Thee in prayer and petition, reflection and fntrospection, as we commence each Session 'of this House of Representatfves. May a11 our labours at legislation, our actions and directions for the peqple of this State of lllinois...our behaviour...our tQougsts..-our wishes...our living. and our dyiag, be unto Thee, 0 Lord: that Thy pame, Thy loves and Thy 1aw be above a1l the earth as Thou art exalted ? above a11 in heaven. This wenpray- in Jesus' holy name. A m e 1'1 . ' Speaker Redmond: 'Agreed Resolutions.l'

Clerk OîBrien: ''House Resolution 956, Lucco. 957, Willfams. 958, Pechous. 959, Capparelli. 960, Catania. 961, Waddell. 962, Huskey. 963, Huskey. 964, Stanley.and 965 McBroom.l' Speaker Redmond: llRepresentative Giorgi.'' Giorgi: ''Mr. Speaker, 9....House Resolution 956 by Lucco talks about national championship gotng to San Diego. 957 by Williams, about a Andrev Staaley Bajkowski. 958 by

, , Verx q G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6 - 1 5 - 7 8 J ; 'jY ' ï s'rx're oe Iuvlsolx t tq . . . . , * Hous? oe pxe.xlxNT'A'rIvll ...... %h ?p ' . 2 j.4g .s,à t;i . < ;' I . i ' I I 2. Pechous on tbe Slovak Athletic Association. 959 by Capparelli about Aathony Apa. 960 by Catania by Susan l

Anthony . 961 by Waddell on the 50th annlversary ia '. Belvidere, Illinois. 962 by Huskey about a baseball ehampionship. 963 about Monsignor McNichols. 964 on a , 90tb birthday. 965 on a scholarship at Eastrtdge High School in Kaakakee. And I move ior the adoption àf t:e Agreed Resolutions.'f Speaker Redmond: ''Any disucssion? The question is on the

Gentlemanfs uotion for the adoption of the Agreed Resolut ons. Those in favor say 'aye' # opposed Tno'. The fayes' have it and the motion carrfes and the Agreed Resolutions are

adopted. Roll Call for attendacce. Death Resolutions. Representative Madigan . Representative Madigan. Death Resolutions''

Clerk o'Brien: îsHouse Resolutioq 966, Polk. Respect to the Remory of Judge Robert M . Be11.'' Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Ciorgi. Representative ciorgi moves the adoption of the Death Resolution . Those in favor say 'aye! opposed îno'. 1he 'ayesl have it and the mortion carries and the Death Resolutlon is adopted. Readfng of the Journaleî'

Clerk ô'Brien: ''House Journal for 139:b tegislatfve Day . The House met pursuant to adlournment. Speaker in the Chair. Prayer by Father Wflliam Krueger, Chaplain. By direction of the Speaker, Roll Ca1.1 vas taken to ascertain the attendapce.....'î Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Madigan.'' Madigan : 'fNr. Speakery I move that we dispense with tbe readlng of the Journal and that Journals /139 of June 2 and 140

of June 6thy 141 of June 7, l42 of June 8. 143 of June 9, 1978 be approved as read.'' Speaker Redmond: ''Is there any discussion on tbe Gentleman 's

motion? The question is on the motfon , tbose in favor j say. gaye' :' opposed 'no'. .The fayes' have it and the

sk, (:)-E > E R A L A s s t M B t v 6 !' ( *, j :j - f . : - 1s -za j - . -;j é 4 1 ' s 'r s 'r i o , 1 u u lN o ls I ' l . s= . z' : ; s . . ,. -= . pfougx oe wKippxlwa.rl'rgvxs . - =- . . - - -... ).g w . fk -z z. -s. - . . . . - -- . - ! 3. the motion carrfed; The Journals are adoptedy approved as read. Adlournment Xesolutionaî' clerk O'Briens 'fsenate Jo'iat Resolution 100. A message from the Senate by Mr. Wrights Secretary . Mr. Speakery I am dfrected to inform the House of Representatfve that the Senate has adopted Ehe following Seaate Joint Resolutioa in the adoption of khich I am instructed to ask coueurren e of the nouse of Reprisentative to-vit: Senate Joint Resolutlon 100. Resolved by the Senate of tbe 80th General Assembly of the State of lllinois, the House of Representatives coacurring herein , that wben the Senate adjeurns on Thursday. June 15, 1978, ft stand adjourned until Monday, June 19, 1978, at 12:00 o'clock noon and vhen the House of Representatives adjourns on Frfdayy June 16, 1978., it stands adjourned untfl Monday, June 19, 1978, at 1:00 o'elock è.m.1' Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Leuhowicz, do you have an announcement with resyect to t:e ball game last night. Representatlve Ryan, I don 't think has heard the good

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techowicz: jj Tbank yous Mr. S'peaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Xouse, I uould like to nake this announcement at the desk. Demoeratic secretaries had a heated contest ln t:e ball game last night, the winning

ball and getting along with botb sides of the aisle. Thank you.t' Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Ryaa .'' Ryan: HTbank you , Mr. Speaker, I did have that information beca se

I was there last night . I didn 't see you there. I dfdn ft

'f know vhether you kaev it or not. Part of the problem. .

Speaker Redmond: 'rRepresentative Lechowicz, are you seeking recognition?''

X. . . G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6 - r :. c ,, l 5 - 7 8 r tn)t j î S'TA'r'E oe Iuulsols ! ë. ,. . , .: r 4. Lecùowicz: ''A point of ordzer, Mr. Speaker, the Speaker threw out the 6àl1 to start the ball game. ls he always étarts the House on tiae, he was there on time to throw out the ball as we11.O Speaker'Redmond : llYour apology is accepted Representative Ryan. And if you wo21d have been on time....'' Ryan: 'I extend my apolpgy. I would like to point out tbat the umpfres were a11 of the Democratfc persuasioa aud I'm not insinuating any.....'' speaker Redmond: 'Q sn't everybody.u Ryan: ''Certafnly mïght have had some bearing on the outqome had we been able to get a few Republican umpires. Howeve y I agree that it was a good evening, I 'm glad to see that they are a11 back in one piece after I watched my secreta y, Lfndë Wolf on a double play ball to second base, take out the second baseman in the second endfng and I thöught that was going to be tbe end of the game. But it a11 went vell and....we'11 have another shot at you next

ye.a r.11 Speaker Redmond: ORepresentltive Skfnner.'f Skinner: 'fMr . Speaker, I rise to observe that even though the Democrats won the game, we had t:e better looking uniforms.'' i Speaker Redmond: ''Representatfve Friedrich.'' Friedrich: ''I was happy to learn something about baseball last nfght with the Democratic umpire . When t*e pitc: hit tbe plate it was called a strike. I never knew that Eappened béfore, it's 'the first tfme and my secretary got called out on strikes witb theqpitch Yitting the plate. That is a new thfng in baseball and maybe the National teague wfll adopt ft.'' Speaker Redmond: ''Did she swing at it, I think that 's what bappened. She swung at it and missed .b' Friedrich: HIt was rolling on the ground, Mr. Speaker.'f Speaker Redmond: t'Is that so. Representative Steczo.''

G ENERA L ASSEM BLY 6-15-78 STATK IF 'uulNsll Hotz*K OF RFPRK*KNTATIV'K* 5. - steczo: 'trhank youy Mr. Speaker. I would also like to coagratu ate the coaches for the 'Republican secretaries?team. Represe t- atfve Adams, Johnson and Winchester and Vinsop . I would

like to pofnt out .too that the coaches for the Democratfc secretaries f team weret myselfs Representative Scbneider, Jaffe and Byers and it was interestfng to note rtoo. that altbough the Mfnority Leader was there last ntght, he should bave notlced the use of rfngers that the Republica s

did use and ft was supposed. to be a 'game between Democratic secretaries and Republican secretaries. Ihey threw every thing at us but Jane Thompson last night aad we still managed t o be a t t he> . And as we said tbi s year . . . .we 1 11 say thf s ye ar like ve, said la's t year and tlte year af t e r and e he year af t er anb the year af ter , bett er luck next year y George and the Repub licaas . It was a good game . f'

S Pe ak e r Re dmon d : 'f I gu e s s we' 11 a ve a' Re s o lu t i o zt p e nd ing b e r e . Representatf ve Madf gan has moved the adopt 1on o f the Adj ournment Re solut f on . T'hose ia f avor say # aye 1 s opposed

ê no # . The f aye s ' have it and the Resolution is adopt ed . Representative Adams. Don't recognize hin but he is a third base coach.fl Adams: ''I will say that we fprgot to add one comnent..v.tàlkin

qabout a11 tbe baseball. The only ones that were losers were the ones that weren't there.'' Speaker Redmond: ''Senate Bills, Second Reading. Senate Billss Second Reading appears Senate Bfll 238.': Clerk o'Brïen: 'fsenate Bill 238, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. no Committee Amendments.'' Speaker Redmond: l'Any Amendments from the floor?'' Clerk 0#Brien: ''Floor Amendment /1. Stuffle-polk-Mudd-tucco- Byers-Kelly-Robinson-Kane-Tipsword. Amends Senate Bill 238 on page 1, line l aad so forth .l' speaker Redaond: HRepresentative....who's going to handle the Amendment? Are you familiar with it, Representative

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P Or ter : ''No , Sir . '' ' j ' Speaker Redxond: MWbere do ve go.''

Porter: ''Mr. Speaker .'' 1.' Speaker Redmond: ''Represéntative Porter.' . Porter. ; xj We can go to Thi' rd and I #11 brina it back for it , if

I that vould be all r.ight.î' Speaker Redmond: Hokay. Ihird Reading. 250, out of the record ' . 252, out of the record. 253, out of the record. 255, ' ' out of the record. 309.'' . Clerk O. 'Brien: '. 'Senat'e Bill 309, a 3i1l for aa Act to anend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bi1l, Amendment ?/1 was adopted in Committee.lî Speaker Redmond: 'Any motion vith respect to àmendment //1?f' Clerk O'Brien : '?No ootion filed.'' RAN ' ' ' ' 'Speaker Redmond: MAay Amendments from the floor?ê Clerk O'Brien: î'Floor Amendment ?/2y Hart. Amends Senqte 3i1l

. 309 on page 1, line 1 and 6 and so fortb .'' Speaker Redmond: 'Representative Giorgi.'' Giorgi: 'fMr. Speaker. Mr. Houlihan isn 't here and be asked me to handle this Bill. But I'm not aware of the Amendment ' . ' so <*y don't we allow 309 to go to Third and then Mr'. Houlïban can discuss w1th Mr. Hart about branting it back to Second for an Amendment. I would like to move it I l Thtrd and then Mr. ( to . lHart can talk to Mr. Houlihan '' j l ' about brtnging it back to Second. 1 1 I 1 ' spcaker Redmond: HRepresentative Robinson , for what purpose ( . s do you arise? rf . . ' .1 Robiason: ''Tbe Sponsor of the Aaendment isn 't here and I think 1. . out of courtesy tbts Bt'll ought to remain Dn Second '

i . ReadînB - '' ' 1 . I Speaker Redmond: f Representative, ft will go to Tbird an jj tbey ! 1 ! . ' !l bring ir back to Second if need be. Thtrd Reading. 386.3 1i clerk o'Brien: ''senate Btll 386, a Bill for an Act to amend . . Sections of tbe Scbool Code. iecond Reading of the Bill,

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E ! 7 I ' I i rI I Amendtents l1, 3, 4 and 6: were adopted in Comoittee.ll

Speaker Redmond: MAny motions in respect to Amendments 1, 3, 4 and 6211 '

clerk O ' Brien : 'fNè motiop.s 'f i led . '' Speaker Redmond: ''zny zaendhents from t*e floor?s

. clerk o'Briea': ''Tloor àmendment /7, Bowman. Amesdù Senate Bi11 386 on pagè 7, by iaserting immediatqly after tbe period on line 24 tbe folloking and so forth.'' Speaker Rednond: ''Who's thersponsor of the Amendrent?''

Clerk 0 , Brien: r' Representatf' ve Bowman .41 Speaker Redmond; ''Representative Xoffman .''

Roffman : 'lMr. Speaker, Representative Bowman and I have discuss d tbat Amendment and it is agreeable.f'

Speaker Redmond) HThe adopffon of t%e Amendment is agreeables is that correct?'' Eof f man : 'Ye s . '' Speaker Redmondt HThe question fs on the motion to adopt Amend- aent 117. Those in favor say 'aye' opposed 'no'. The

'ayes? have it and the xmotioa carries. Aaendment is adopted. Aqy further Amendments?'

n Clerk o 'Brien : uNo further Amendments. Speaker Rednond: f'Third Reading. 393.:1 clerk O'Briec: ''Senate Bill 393. a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of tbe Billy Anendment )1 was adopted in Committee.'' Speaker Redmond: r'Any motion with respect to the Amendment?'' Clerk O'Brien: ''No motion filed.'' Speaker Redmond: MAny Amendments from the floor?'' Clerk O'Brien : ''No Floor Amendment.lt S Peaker Redmond: ''Third Readfng. 395.'1 Clerk O'Brten: 'fsenate 3i1l 395, a Bill for an Act to amend Sectirns of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill.

' '' Axendment ?/1 was adopted'in Commtttee. Speaker Redmond: ''zny motion with respect to Amendment /1?'' Clerk O'Brien: HNo motion fileb.'l

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: 8. Speaker Redmond: HAny âmendments from the floor?' . ï Clerk o'Briea : 'No Floor Amzi .e ndments.'' Ii : Speaker Redmond: î'Third Reading. i3o....Representative Gene ! ' Hoffman.'' ' Hoffmaa: HMr. Speaker, did we do 3883'1 Speaker Redmond: 'lue did it's on Thfrd.îl Hoffman: HAnd 386?'7 Speaker Redmond: ''Wait a minute, pardon ne....H HI don 't thfnk we'did O Hoffmaa: . . . . 1 Speaker Redmond : 1'386 1s....393, we dfd not do 388...1s that correct? call 388.f' Clerk o'Briea: l'Senate Bili 388, a 3i11 for an lct to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Readfng of the Bill, i Amendment f/1 was adopted in Committee.'' ;I Spea k er Redmond: ''A ny mot i on w ith respect to Amendment /1?'9 'I Clerk ofBrien: HNo motion filed.'' i Speaker Redmond: ''Any Amendments from the floor?'f . Cl 1 erk OfBrien: î'No Ploor àmendments.' 1 Speaker Redmond: tt T>ird Reading r, ' . Representatfve Gene Hoffman. j Hoffman: HThank you, Mr. Speaker. I have to leave for a meetin , could you call 1055 wkich is about three down the line.'' Speaker Redmond: 1055. Clerk O'Brien: ''Senate Bill 1055, a Bfll for an lct to amend Sectfons of the Schooï Code. Second Readtng of tbe Bi11, Amendment ?/1 was adopted in Committeev'' Speaker Redmond: ''Any motion with respect to Axendment /1271 Clerk OsBrien: ''No motion fileds'' Speaker Redmond: 11 Any Amenmq' nts from the floor?lf Clerk ofBrien: 'fNo Floor àmendments.l ' ) Speaker Redmond: î'Third Reaking. 430.'1 Clerk O'Brienl nSenate Bill 430, a Bill for an Act to amend Sectioas of the Sqhool Code. Second Reading of the Bill, no Committee Amendments.'' Speaker Redmond: 'lAny Amendments from the floor?'' clerk OfBrien: ''None.'l '

G E N E R A L A S S E M 3 L Y 6 - 15 - 7 8 / . tT? .> L . , * ' ?-T 1* s'rl'rx oe Iuulsols t. > . . zj'-nWb ur-. soosx o . oxeassssvsvj v ys : . . ,' r' 4, . ''2t ' 2 i1 ' Y6 x Q X. *'''X''. - 9. Speaker Redmond: MThird Reading. 554.'9 Clerk O'Brien : ''Senate Bill 554, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Illin'ois Pension Code. Second Reading of

t he B f. 11 , Amendmezit s '/ 1 and 2 , w'ere adop t e d in Comnit t ee . ' Speaker Redmond ) 'fRepre sent.at ive Madigan , f or what purp ose do yo u a r i s e ? '

Madigan : ''A quest ion of the. Clerk . Have motion s been f iled on those Amendments ? '' Clerk () ' Briea : 'fThere are m'ottons t o table the Amendment s on botla and 2 . '' Madigan : HAnd the Sponsor o'f the Bill is off the flbor, Mr. Speaker, therefore, I suggest that we hold the Bill on Second Reading.'' Speaker Redmond: 'fTake it put of the record. 571....is Rep- reseatative Yourell, bn the floor? There is an Amendment to 571 that is not yet printed. Are you aware of that? 0h. itrj-.you.eokay. 0ut of the record. I presume tbat's wbat you want tben. 736.'' Clerk o'Brien : ''Seaate Bi1l,736, a Bill for an Act to exempt from certain occupation .use taxes, machinery and equipmen and repafr and replacement parts. Second Reading of the Bill, no Committee Amendments.u Speaker Redmond: 'flny Amendèents féom the floor?'' : Clerk OfBrien: ''Floor Amendient /1, failed in Committee..vl mean Committee àmendment //1 fafled in Committee. Floor Amendment /2, Robinson. Amends Senate Bill 736 on page 3, by deleting lin'e 8 Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Capparelli here? Take this out of the record. 77l.v...Representative Gettyy are yo seeking recognition? 771.ff Clerk o'Brien: NSenate Bil1 '771, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Crimfn'al Code. Seeoad Reading of the Bill, Amendment /1 vas adopted in Committee.'' Speaker Redmond: 'Any motioù with respect to lmendment #J1? Clerk O'Brien: ''NO motion filed.''

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t0. Speaker Redmond: 'Any Amendments from the floor?? clerk O'Brien : ''No Floor Ahendments.n . 1 speaker Redmond: ''T%ird Reàding. 1483.'' clerk o 'Briea i ''Senate Bill 1483, a Btll for 'an Act making appropriation to the Board of Xrustees of Southern Illino s Uni/ersity. Second Reading of the Bfll, no Committee Amendments.' Speaker Redmond: HAny Amendments from the floor?'' Clerk o 'Brien : f'None.u Speaker Redmond: 'Third Reading. 1506.'7 clerk O'Brien: ''senate 3t11 1506, a Bill for an Act naking appropriation to the Capital Developmeat Board for t%e

Board of Trustees of southern Illinois University. Second Reading ôf t*e Bill, no Conmittee àmendments.'' Speaker Redmond: MAny Amendments from the floor.'' Clerk OlBrien: ''None.'' Speaker Redmond: HThird Reading . 1513. Has the ffscal note been furnished in that? Waft a minute now . Has the fisc 1

note been furnished on. 1506? I know but....the Calendar shows that a fiscal note has been requested. A11 right, itls on Third Readfng. Are you seeking recognition with respect to Senate Bills on Second Reading, Representatfve Totten? Weîre . on tbat order of business and we will

continue on that order 'of business until we complete a t. Are you seekfng recognition wïth respect to Senate Btllsy Second Readingr'ê

Totten: HYess since you are limiting my ability to speak . I wondered Vhat your ruling was on that fiscal note. That' wl'tat I . . . . 'f Speaker Redmond: 'llf it is an'Appropriation B111.....'' Totten: 'Qs the Caleadar in ekror?'' speaker Redmond : 'T:e Calendar would be in error, yes.'f Totten: ''okayo'' Speaker Redmond: ''1513.'6 Clerk O 'Brien : ''Senate 3111 1513, a Bfll for an Act making

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11. appropriation to the D'epartment of Agriculture for certaf expenses of t%e Bureau of County Fair Association In*. Second Reading of the lBill, no Committee Amendment4v' peaker Redmoad: HAay Amendéents from the floor?'f lerk O'Brien: ltxone.l' pedker Redmond: HThird Reading. 1522.9f lerk O'Brien: HSenate Bf11 1522, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Board of Xigher Educatfon. Second Reading of the Bill, no Committee Amendments.îî peaker Redmond: ''Any Amendmenté from the floor?' lerk O'Brien: HXone.'' peaker Redmond: ''Third Reading. 1523.11 lerk o'Brien: ''Senate 8111 :1523, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Illinois State Scholarship Commissi n. Second Reading of the 'Bill, no Comtittee Amendments.'' peaker Redmond: HAny Amendments from the flooy?' lerk O'Brten: ''Amendment ?à1 failed in Committee. Floor Amendm nt //2, Ebbesen. Amends Senate Bi11 1523 on page 1, line 13 by changfng thirty-nine thousand. one hundred and fifty- one to forty thousands' one hundred and fifty-onea'f peaker Redmond: HIs this Rqpresentative Ebbesen fs Amendment?'f lerk O 'Brien : ''Yes, S1r.' peaker Redmond: 'Qs he on the floor? Is Representative Ebbese on the floor? Representative McMaster.ï' cMaster: HJoe is on his way over, if you could hold it and then come back to it later. He's on his way over.l' peaker Redmond: 191524. out, of tbe record . lerk O'Brien: ''Take it out of the record. Seante Bitl 1524, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriatfons and reappropriations to the Board of Trustees of the 7niversi y of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bi11, no Committee Amendments.'' Speaker Redmond: ''Any Amendments from the floor?' Clerk O'Brien: 'Floor Amendment /1, Deavers. Amends Senate Bill 1524 on page 4. by insprting between line 5 and 6, the

G EN ERA L A SSEM BLY 6-15-78 STATK oF ILUINQI* Houlf oF PKPRE/INTATIVK* ' ! - j ' i ! 12 . i following, Section 8'and so fortha'' Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Madigan m for what purpose do you arise? Representative Mpdigan .'' . Madfgan: '1Mr. Speàker. our staff is preparfng Amendments to Senate Bill 1524, 25 and 26...and 27.f6 Speaker Aedmond: ''Take them out of the record. 1530.'1 Clerk OfBrien : î'Seaate Bill 1530, a Bil1 for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary contingen: expense of the Illinois Communitv Colleze Board. Second Reàding of ' '' . the Bfll, Amendment ?/1 was adopted in Committee.'? . Speaker Redmond: ''Any Amendments from the floor? Aay motion j ' ( with respect to Amendpent 11?'' Clerk O'Brien : ''No motions filed.f' Speaker Redmoad: ''àny Amendments from the floor? Represeatativ VY Z'W * ' î ' R y an : ''We11 , thank you , Mr . Speaker . I wonder if you would ho1 this . . . . tlze Sponsor is not on the f loor and I would like to t a1k t o iztm . '' Speaker Redmond : ''out of the record . 1532 . ''

Clerk 0 y Brien; t: Senate Bill 1'532, a 3i11 for an Act making appropriations to t:e State Treasurer. Second Reading of tbe B111, no Commfttee Amendments.'' Speaker Redmond: f'lny Amendments from the floor?'' Clerk O 'Brien : î'None.f' speaker Redmond: 'fTuird Reading. 1533.,' i clerk c'Brien: 'senate Bill 1533, a Btll for an Act naking ' j , I' appropriations aad transfer fund frox the General Revenue - r Fund to the State Communlty College of East . St. Louis. Second Reading of Lhe Bf11, no Committee Amendments.' Speaker Redmond: 'Any Amendments from t>e floorr' Clerk O fBrien : 'None.'' Speaker Redmond: l'T:ird Readin,gx 1546.'9 Clerk O'Brien; ''Senate Bf11 1546, a Bill for an Act to amend I Sectfons of an Act concerniag public utflities. Second ( Reading of the 3i11, no Committee Amendments.''

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l v. . . a'.P . yr.' * H*ult Q' RIP*K%KNTA.TIVK/ k... s s ..q ?.js# 13. Speak+r Redmond: ''Any Amendments from the floor?f Clerk o'Brien: 'Amendment /é1 was withdravn in Committee. Floor Ameadment #Z, Conti-tevin. Amends Seante Bi.1l 1546 on ; page 2, by deleting line 1 and 2 aad so'forth .'' Speaker Rednond: 'Q s Representative Kane on the floor? Doesn't look like Kane or Conki or Levin is on the floor. 0ut of the record. 1561/'' tlerk o'Brlen: ''Senate Bf11 1561, a Bfll for an Act to make appropriation to the tegislative Information System. Second Reading of the Bill, no Commfttee Amendments.' Speaker Redmond: l'Any Amendments from the floor?f' Clerk o'Brien: HNone.'' Speaker Redmond: ffThird Reading. 1570.'' clerk O'Brien: î'Senate Bill 1570, a Bfll for an Act making appropriatfons to the Court of Claims. Second Reading of the 3i11, no Committee Amendments.'' Speaker Redmond: 'fAny Amendpents from the floor?l' Clerk oêBrien: ''None.î' Speaker Redmond: HThird Reading. 1571.9. clerk O 'Brien : HSenate.Bill 1571, a 3111 for an Act making appropriatfoas to t*e ordinary and contingent expense of ' t*e Industrial Pollution Control Finance Xuthority . Sezo d Reading of the Bi11, no Committee Amendments.'' Speaker Redmond: HAny Amendients from the floor?l Clerk ofBrien: î'None.ê' Speaker Redmond: HThfrd Readling. 1578.'î Clerk o'Brien l ''Senate Bill 1578, a Bill for an Act making appropriatiàns to tie Board of Trustees of the Ceneral Assembly Retirement System. Sécond Reading of the Bill, no Committee Amendments.'' Speaker Redmond: f'Aay Amendments from the floor?? Clerk O 'Brien : 'None.'' speaker Redmond: f'Third Reading. 1580.î9 Clerk o'Brien ) 'lsenate Bill 1580, a Bill for an Act making

. appropriatfons f6r the ordiaary and contingent expenses

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Speaker Redmond : î'Third Readfng . 1.59 3 . 11 Clerk 0 ' Brien : llseaate Bill 1593 y a Bi11 f or an Act making app ropriat ion s f or ceartain ret irement benef it s f or t eachers . Secoad Readiag of the Bil.l s no Committ ee Amendment s'. 'f Speaker Redmond : î'Any Apendment s f rom the f loor 7 f# Clerk 0 ' Brien : IêHone .'' S Peaker Redmond : î'Tlzird Reading . 1580 . ''

Clerk 0 ' Brf en : ''We ' ve already moved that Bi11. 11

Speaker Redmond t ''1580 is on Third Reading . 1593 . Did we ' aove that one ? 159 4 . '' Clerk 0 ' Briea : ê'Setlate 3i11 1594 , a Bill f or an Act making appropriatious to the Board of Trustees of the State Universities Retirement System. Second Reading of the ; ; Billy no Committee àmendments.f' 5 Peaker Redmond : 'Any Amendéent s f r om t'he f l oor ? '' Clerk 0 ' Brien : l'Mone . '' speaker Redmond : 'Third Reading . 1598 . '' Clerk 0 , Brien: !, Senate 3i11 1598, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary contingent expense of the

office of the Commissioner of Savings and Loans. Second

'' Reading of the Bill, Aùendment 11 vas adopted in Committe . Speaker Redmond: NAny motion with respect to Amendment //1?'f Clerk O'Brien: ''No mbtion filed.n speaker Redmond: ''àny Amendments from the floor?n Clerk G'Brien: 1'No Floor Amesdments.'' 6peaker Redmond: 'Qhird Reading. 1617.'3 Cterk olBrien : MSenate Bill 1617, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Senior Citizens and Disabled Persons Property Tax Relief Act. Second Reading of the Bill, no Committee Amendments.î'

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15. Speaker Redmond: l'Any Amendments from the floor?ll Clerk G'Brien: 'îFloor Amendment l1, D.L. Houlihan...m'' Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Ryan , for vhat purpose do you arlse?'' Ryan : î'Mr. Speaker, I think we better take this out of t>e record.'' Speaker Redmond: HOut of the record. 1627.' Clerk olBrien ) HSenate Bill 1627, a Bill for an Act making appropriatfon to the Department of Agriculture for 'certaf : expenses of the Western Illinois Fair Assocfatfon Inc. Second Reading of the Bi11, no Committee Amendnents.o Speaker Redmoad: 'lAny Amendments from the floor?r Clerk O'Brien : llNbneml' Speaker Redmond: 'lQbird Readipg. 1630.91 Clerk O'Brien : 'Senate Bill 1630, a Bf11 for an Act to add Sections to the Condoiïnium Property Act. Second Readlng of the Bill, no Committee Ameadmentsx' Speaker Redmond; ''Any Amendments from the floor?'' Clerk O'Brien: 'lNone.''

Speaker Redmon (j : î! Thfrd Read'f ag. 1674.fy Clerk OgBrien : HSenate Bf11 1674, a Bill for an Act to amend

Sections of the Downstate Public Transportaiôn Act. Second Readfng of the Bill, no Coamittee Amendments.f' Speaker Redmond: ''Any Amendments from the floor?' Clerk o'Brien: ''Noae.' Speaker Redmond: HThird Reading. 1691.'' Clerk O'Brien: Hsenate Bill 1691, a 3il1 for an Act relating

to metit eoployment in ithe office of the Comptroller. Gecond Reading of the Bi11y no Committee Aaendments.f' Speaker Redmond : d'Any Amendments from the floorp' Clerk O'Brien : nNonee'' Speaker Redmond: ''Third Readipg. 1725. 0ut of the record at the request of the Sponéor. 1746.' Clerk OîBrien: 'Senate Bill 1746, a Bill for an àet to amend Sections of the Senior Cittzens and Disabled Persons

G ENERA L A SSEM BLY 6-15-78 *TAT? OF lu&.INoI* N/tllt QF AEPRK*KNTATIVE.I 16. Property Tax Relief Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. .'# Speaker Redmond: 'Has the fiscal note been furnished on this?'' clerk O'Brien : ''T:e fiscal note is not furnished.l' Speaker Redmond: I'Out of t:e record. 1747.'6 clerk OfBrien) HSenate B1t1 1747, a Bi11 for an Act to amend Sections of the Condominium Property àct. Second Reading of the Bill, no Commfttee àmendments.'' Speaker Redmond: ''Any àmendments from t%e floor?f' Clerk o'Brien: ''None.l' Speaker Redmond: ''Third Reading. 1760.'9 Clerk QfBrien: OSenate Bill 1760, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act tn relation to comprehensive County Hospitals Governing Commission. Second Reading of the 3i11, Amendments /1 add 2 vere adopted in Commfttee.'' Speaker Redmond: f'Take this one out of the record. 1786.ff Clerk ofBrien: f'Senate Bill 1786, a Bill for an Act in relatfo to revenue (sie) mortgages. Second Readipg of the Bf11, no .commfttee Ameadments.'ê Speaker Redmond: 'lAny Amendments from the floor?'' Clerk O'Brien: HNone.' Speaker Redmond: HThfrd Readfng. 1790.:1 Clerk O'Brien: ''Senate Bill 1790. a Bfll for an Act to amend Secttons of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of t:e 3i11, no Committee Anendments.'' Speaker Redmond: HAny Amendments from the floor?f' Clerk OfBrien: HNone.u Speaker Redmond: ffTîird Reading. 1845.'f Clerk o'Brien: HSenate Bill 1245, a Bill for an Act to make approprfatioas to t*e ordinary and contingeat expenses l of the Illinois Economic and Fiscal Commission . S'econd Readfng of the Bil1, ao. Commtttee Amendments.l! Speàker Redmond: î'Any Amendments from t:e floor?' Clerk O'Brien: ''None.'' Speaker Redmond: f'Third Reading. 1523....Representattve Madig n.t' Madigan: ''Mr. Speaker, could we return on the Order of Senate

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' that there were no Committee Amendments?l' 1 ' Speaker Redlond': '' He fndica i ed that there were- - out of the 1

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' . Mad i g an: ''uell , Mr . Specakerx...'' speaker Redmond: 'No. 1. was respondinga...'' , Madigan: ''You left the 3i11 on Third Reading and if there is I

Speàker Redmond: î'Wait a mf' autey I was responding to Skinner j . 1 about what was :apping to another Bill. I wasn't talkfng j to you. Is there an ,Amendment on 1790? We will return 1 i 1790 back to the order of Second Reading. There is a i Floor Amendment. that was not called to our attention. j

Representative Kempin: ers. fr j i Keapiaers: l'0n this Bitl, I :ad talked to Representatfve Brady and he was gofng to hpld this for a while on Second i ' Reading. I think thfs is why Representative Madigan ts j ' j I standing up, because I also have an Amendment which wi11 ë . . l I here to'rbe' rewrittea if that other Amendment is adopted. I So could you clarify what the status of this is going l t o 'b e . $' I

Madigan: 'êWe11, what I would like to do would be to adopt j Mr. Brad#'s Amendment and....does your Amendment relate i t o hi s ztmendment ? '' Kempiners: HNo, it is a Bill that was in Rules Committee that we had talked to him about....you know, I was aware that j this Amendment was being consfdered but he didn't know 1 . whether or not you were going to foltow through and have 1 it adopted. So. I held thls Amendnent to see whether ; I'm going to have to have it revrfc en to offer it. It I is Senate Bill 17...1 'tbink 1768, which was Donnewald in , tbe Sènate and Matijev.ich énd myself here in the House.'' Madigan: HWe11, I donêt think that presents a problem. But I I Would like to put tîi' s Bill into the form of the Amend

. . T G f: N E R A L A,S S E M B L Y 6 : jyf j L . 15-78 ' ( . . g . *TATX oe Iuullolw ' '. .7.q * M/ull oe 'KA/K*KNTATIV'I* 18. ment, move it to Third and Iê11 state right on the record for pprposes of your Amendment and will be more than willing to bring ft Sack because I am familiar with your Amendment. And,' Mr. Speaker, I will address the àuendment if that is permissable with Representative Brady .n speaker Redmond: ''Okay.'' Madigan: ''And the Amendment would provide that the penalty relative to the perspnal property tax, would be affixed t o t h e t ax an d n o t t q t la e a s s e s sme n t b a s e a s i s t he situation today . I iove f or the adopt ion of the Amendmen . ' s P eaker Redmond : ''IS there . any di scussion ? The quest ion is on the....Representative kadigan's motion to adopt Ameadment /1 to Senate Bill 1790. Representative Totteny for what purpose do you arise?' Totten : HA question of the Sponsor, if he wôuld yield please.'' Speaker Redmond: HHe will.'' Totten: 'What db you interrupt the effect of that Amendment to ber' Madigan : l'Tbe effect of the Amendment would be a discontinuatio of the currently inaccurate fixture of the assessment b X S C *' î ' Totten : HWhat is the inaccurate. '' z' ; . ' . . Madigan : ''Today the assessment based is composed 'of' assessment renderings by the local assessors. And also, this arbitrary penalty of 50Z on each unpafd tax bill which is put on the assessment base. Thereforey the figures currently available for assessment base are inaccurate.' Totten : ''okay. What does this Amendment do to correct that?'l Madigan : llThis Amendment, as I stated at the beginning. This Amendment provides that the penalty goes on to tax rather than the assessment base.'l Totten l HAII right.'' Speaker Redmond: î'Anything f'urther? The question is on the

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: 19. the Gentleman's motion for adoptioa of Amendment 11. ; ' . I Those ia favor éay 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there âny further Amendmentsr ' ' . ' Clerk O'Brien : ''No further Amendments.'l ' 1 S Peaker Redmond : 'rRepresent at ive Madigan , what was the . . . Rep - 1 resentative. Third Reading. Qn the Order of Concurrence, 1 1 ' page 9. Appears Rouse Bill 3...oh, pardon me. pardon me. 1

' j Madigan: ''Where are we at, Mr. speakerk'' I 1 Speaker Redmond: :11523.9' i I Madigan : ''Which page?'' i I spea k er Redmond: 'Page 5 .'' ' I clerk O'Brien: 'fsenate Bill 1523, a Bill for an Act makipg i ' j approprfations to the lllinois State Scholarshlp Commissi n . I ' ' j ' .J . Second Reading of the iBill y no Commtttee Amendments. '' j ' j s peaker Redmond) HAay Amendmvnts from the floor?s' j i clerk O'Brien: HNone.'l I Speaker Redmond: HHas to be. Amendment /1 by Representative I ' I Ebbesen.'' . i i clerk o'Brien: 'fAmendment f/1 failed. Floor Amendment #2, by I 1 Ebbesen. Amends Sepat: Bill 1523 on page 1, line 13....66 I ' j Ebbesen: ''Yes Mr. speakerw.tx'' 1 I Speaker Rednond: HRepresentative Ebbesenz' i1 ' j Ebbesen: HYes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. j ' j Amendnent /2 merely corrects a thousand dollar arithmetic erroi I made in the Bill and I move for its adoption.l' j Speaker Redmond: HAny discussion? The question is on the ' . j Centleman's motion for adoption of Amendment 2. These in favor say faye' $ opposed 'no '. 1he 'ayesî have it and the motion carries and the Amendment is adopted. , j Any further Amendments?'' j clerk o'Brien : ''No further Amendments.f' '

Ebbesen: OMr. Speaker, would you hold this on Second Reading !j ' Pl e a s q . ' ' ' EI

r ' r t. ï G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6 -y s - y a . . : . , . ' ) esj u j . svxvs oe juulàols q; + ...... xv Hlu*t QF 'EPRK@KNTATIVK* -. . .. kr, jx t;l . .. . 2 20. Speaker Redmond: HHold it on Second. 0n the Order of Concurren e on page 9. House Bill 3241, Representative Cunningham.'' Cunnfngham : HMr. Speaker, we chose to concur, lf that be the. will of the House.''

Speaker Re d mond: '' T he' ques tion is , sball the House concur ia Senate Axendment /1 to nouse Bill 3241. Those in favor vote 'ayefom..Representative Pullen . Representative Eudson, would you please sit down. Representative Pullen .'' Fullen: ''Would the Sponsor'please tell us vhat the Bill is and w'hat the Amendment i's that welre concurripg in?l' Speaker Rednond; ''Representatïve Cunningham .'' Cunnfngham: 'Wel1, I'm delighted to report, it is a verr small technical Amendment. It has to do with meets and bounds description that the surveyor made a Urievous error and it has been eorrected and now certified by Fredrich Eùlect to be perfect.'' Pullen: ''It :as to do with highway easements, Mr.....n Cunningham: t. Yes, it hasn r t been changed in any *z y, s ua pe or form it's 'the origtnal purfose.'' Pullen: ''Thank you .'' Cunningham : 'NO ulterior motfve.'' Speaker Redmondl The question is, shall the House coacur ia Senate Amendment 11 to House Bill 3241. lhose in favor vote 'aye'. opposed vote lno'. Have a11 voted who wis:e ? Rave a11 voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record. Representative Geo-Karisy please be in order. Oh'zhis question there is 126 'aye ' no fnay' and the House does concur in Senate lmendment /1 to Rouse Bill 3241. 3246. Is Ralph Dunn on the floor? Representativ Friedrich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representatfve Friedrich. Representative Friedrichï'' Frfedrfch: f'Mr. Speaker, Representatfve Duan is off the floor but this is the same thing: a technicat error on tbe description. It is an easement Bill and otherwise the

A. . * >f x;, G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6 - 1 5 - 7 8 l* 4'Pi- 1 ï s'r-'rx oe Iuul-olx j& . .r . 2.q, '. aoull oe pgpwl:wlvA.vlvll .. . u:. .' .i; 21. substance is 'aot changed since it passed tbe House the first time and I Move to coaeur.' Speaker Redmo'nd: f'An# discussion? The question is, 'sball the '2. House concur in Senate Amendment /1 to House Bi11 3246. Those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no' Have a11 voted vho wished? Hàve al1 voted who wisbed? The Clerk vfll take the record . on this question there are 130 îaye ' and no 'nay' and the House does concur in Senate Amendment /1 to House Bill 3246. 3247, Representative Friedrich.'' Friedrich: 'Mr. Speaker, this is the same explanation. there was a techaical error in the description fn an easement Bi11. And I aove the ....we eoncur.ft

'' Speaker Redmond: f'Any discussioa? Representative Sattertbwaite. Satterthwaite: 'fMr. Speaker, just a point of informationx...not related to thls Bill specffically. But I find that we keep getting Amendments of various colors on our desks. Is there some kind of message that weVre suppose to receive by the color of paper that tbe Amendments are prfnted on? I'm just trying to find the various tbings that verre working on and I thought that might be belpful if I knew that.'' Speaker Redmoùd: ''Evidently there is no...pthe Clerk advfses me that the pea greqn ls the color of the day : There k fs qo particular sfgnificance to tbe color.'' Satterthwaite: HAre the àmendments prïated oa that color simila to the ones that we normally get in this green shader'' Speaker Redmond: 'lYes. Normally the House àmendment to a Senate Bill is whatv..-blue? Green . So evidently they

ran out of something.. Tbere is no s'ignificance to the color of the Amendment todayo'' Satterthwaite: ''Thank you .'' speaker Redmond: ''Anything further? The question iss shall the House concur in Senate lmendment //1 and 2, to House Bi11 3247. Those in favor vote faye', opposed vote 'no '.

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' take tbe record. 0n this quescion there are 144 'aye? .! ' i and no 'nay' and the House does concur in Senate Amendmen s , I ' //1 and 2, to House Bill 3247. 3248. Representative ' i Friedrich.' ' i Friedrich: ffMr. Speaker, I would ljke to yiéld to Representativ Darrov on this matter.f' . i Speaker Redmond: 'Representative Darrow .'' . Darrow: ''Thank you, Mr . Speaker. Ladies and Gentlèmen of the ' House, Amendment //1 ok thfs Bill correctsl a situation in t:e city of Molfne. 'Back in 1966, the City of Moline purchased some property and through their error they paid eighteen thousand dollars for the property but the grantee was the State of Illinois rather than the City of Molfne. Now twelve years later they have decfded that this would be the best way to resolve ft. T*e state

' paid no money for this lahd and was not supposed to be the grantee oa t%e deed and we are correcting that sftuatfon at this time.'' Speaker Redmond: î'The question is, shall the Rouse concùr in Seaate Amendment /1 to House Bill 3248. Those in favpr vote 'aye ' # oppo'sed vote 'no'. Eave at1 voted who 1 wtshed? lhe clerk will take tbe record. on this questio . tiere are 137 , aye , and no , nay , and tue nouse does concur in Senate Amendment /1 to House Bill 3248. 3256. i Representative Wikoff.'f i ' . i Wikoff; ''Yes, Mr. Speaker. There was a technical Amendmeat oa J this to correct an error in ft. It meets witb my approva ' and I Vould move that the House concur with the Senate . Amendmeato''

' Speaker Redmond: 'Q s there any dfscussion? The question isy shall the House coacur in Senate 'Amendment /1 to House I ' ' j Bill 3256. lhose in favor vote taye , , opposed vote f no ,. i Have al1 voted who wished? Have a11 voted who wisAed? '

. . % G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y j - . . YE j . ) 1 5 - 7 8 . . * ,xv j: y . N y. A y. s. o j Kj u j N o # s ' Xsx . . .. .h è z. .V4 * N o kl * K o ' * < P R E @ K N T' A T l V * * .x u . - < vy, .s - - ( . .;. 23. The Clerk will take the record . 0n this question there

. are 12A 'aye' and'no'. 'nay' and the House does concur in senate' Amendment ?1 to House Bill 3256. House Joint Resolution /J72, Representative Bowman.l'

Bowman: ''Mr . Speaker, Ladies and centlemen of the House. With leave t*e House I would like to consider Senate's

Amendment ??1 and 2, o'n a single Roll Call. Mr. Speaker, gather I have leave of the Eouse to consider b0th Amendments. Senate lmendment /1 simply increases the number of Members où the Joint Committee by two. 'To provide that t:e Democrats and Republicans shall have an equal number of Members. Senate Amendment /2 simply clariffes the technidal language in the Bill and is non-substantïve in nature. And I ask the House do con cur .''

Speaker Redmond: ''Any discussion? The questfon is, shall the : House concur fn Senate Amendments /1 and 2, to House Joint Resolution /à72. Those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote fno'. Have a11 yoted who wisbed? Have a11 voted who wfshed? The Clerk w1l1 take the record. On tbis question there is 129 taye ' aad 1 'no' and the Bouse does concur in Senate.Amendnents /1 and 2, to House Jôint Resolutfon //72. 0n the Order of Conference Commftt e

Reports, Page 9. House Bfll 341, Representative Terzich. 841 Representative T:rzich.ï'

Terzich: HYes, Mr. Speaker and Ladfes and Gentlemen of the Hous . 0n Conference Commfttee Report /1 and /2 on House Bf11 841, provides that the ...there will be senior citfzens free campfng facflitiesr available for Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. This is similar to the Conference Committee Report last year and see no Proble with it and 1 would urge adoption of Conference Committee Report /2,.':

Speaker Redmond: tr Representa' tive Skinner. yr Skinner: 'Wè11 you may not see a problem but 1'11 bet you

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' . . . parks' are iore crowded on the week-ends aad so it is a

' policy decfsfon this nouse has to make on whether or not ' it vishes to continue allowing senior citizens to eamp

. in the park on week-ends. Thatls the choïce here. Is tbat not correct, Mr. Sponsor?'' Terzich: ''The present problem that they have now is that the camping throughout the State of lllinois has been a verk very popular means of 'recreation for the cftizens of the State of Illinois. It has been brougbt out.k..the faet that. if tbere are no 'fees charaed...what happens is that : basically, they will have squatters' righis or so on the ' eamping facilit#.' There is many young people, men and women, children in the state that wbbn they go to the facilities there are n: facilities available for them on week-ends. The...1' Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Madigan , for what purpose do you arise?'' Madigan: 'fRequest to the Spoasor that tbis be taken out of the record for a couple of minutes.' Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Terzicb .'î ' Terzfch : Hl'd like to take it out of the record for a few minutes.'' : Speaker Redmond: ''out of the record. 1468. Representative Ciorgi.'l Speakef Giorgi: ''Representative Yourell on House 3i1l 1648.1,.. Yourell: MThaak you, Mr. Spe'aker....'

. Speaker Giorgi: 'Q 'm sorry, House Bill 1468. Well, Just a . l momenty Mr. Yourell. Mr'. Co'llins , for what reason do

. >ou arise?'' .

' . collins: ''Mr. Speaker * that Conference Committee Report that was just taken out of the record. I donst think we have that report on this side of the aisle and 1 wonder if it hashbeen distributèd.l'

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Speaker Giorgi: rp Vell, if ft i' s out of the record we ,11 determine V b Z V * î î collins: ''Wells we vould like to get it before you call it a gain . ' l Speaker Giorgi: 1v Okay. But : you don rt object to 1468. Represen - ative Yourelt on 1:68'.': Yourell: HTbank you, Mr. Speakera Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Conference Committee was appointed' and met and a1t five Senate Mèmbers to the Conference agreed to the Conference Committee Report as did four of the five House Members. I now move to adopt the Conference Commit ee Ràport on Eouse Bill 1468.'' Speaker Giorgi: îfMr. Yourell, Mr. Collins doesn 't have a copy of the report.'î Yourell: 'Q have bèen advised that its been di.stributed.'' Speaker Giorgi: 'Q Rve been.....Representative Mahar on concurrence to House Bill 1468.'1 Mahar: 'Qhank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of t:e House. 1

** ''- ' , ...' wk .. G E N E R A L A s s E 51 B t Y 6 - 15 - 7 8 x tp-*,tg. py ,y !'s* -.' Xt '.).. y s-r A'rE o F l Lul N o l s à . W. ,) . .x. . . pp-t Kouss oe ssewsszsvsvjvs:s h'. t) a g v v ::'s ' 26. '; piece of legislatiod has been arouad for a long period of tfme and won 't 'bore you with the details of it but 1:11 Just tell youynthat this particular Bill, nouse Bi11 1468, Mr. Speaker, atlows an unlimited tax increase witho t refereadum. Now on the basis of what's been gofng on here in tîe last weei or two that has been highlighted

I Ehroughout the count. ry, it just ' seems to me that the 1 mefhod of allowing ldcal municipalities to pay for tbeir I workmenss comp....unemployment comp .y wfth a referendum withoutv...an unlfmfted referendum is not the right way to do ft. It is the wrong way to do We dve >ad several pfeces of legislation that khas been defeated here on the floor of this House in the past two Sessions and think thàt this particular piece of legislation ought to....we ought not to concùr and ask for a second Confere ce Committee.'' Speaker Gforgi : nRepresentative Leinenweber...Mr. Yourell on .... Mr. Leinenweber on this Conference Committee Reporton Leiaenweber: 'fYes. Thank ypu, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Eouse. I would also join vith the Gentleman who just spoke previously and also urge a rejection of this Conference Commfttee Report. Now in 1975, tbis Legislature enacted fnto 1av Workmen 's Coœpensation Law which is greatly increased the 'cost of premiums aad settlements for businesses of this state and aoso for units of local government. Nov this Bill is an attempt to get the units of local government off our back so that we won ft be urged to amend tbe Workmen's Compensation Lav to bring some needed reform which would reduce cost not only to units 6f local government but to busfnesses of this state. Nbe.,every time go home and go to an affair tbat is put on by some the unïts of loeal government, be schools or be ft municipalities, they come up to me and say, please do something about moderating the cost unemp l oyment an d workmen's compensation, spediffe 11y

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uorkmen 's compensation. !4u pass this 1aw whieb would pe m'ft thàn to levy ana also aeecràlng..tœc.the .vconf erence commtt tee eport r

or have levied on its ,behalf, persuhably. meaning that il I someoae else could force a tax levy upon a municfpality. *s We vould have our citkzens in our distrfct having their ' taxes increaeed in order to pay for tbe cost of Workm. enss j Compeasation which we have created down here. This will I j eliminate this area of people grip ing. to us and I don 't ' 1 think we should do that. Because as you a11 knovy tbe 1 private sector cannot have an unlimited amount of tax i I levy in its behalf. Th. ey are only...if they can't rafse their prices éo compensate, then they bave no alternative i but to leave the state. Municipalities of course canft ' do that. I t:ink we should keep them squéakfpg so that tbis Legislaturè wfll be compèlled to put a little 'oil i I on it ia the form of moderating our Workmen fs Compensation Laws. So...jofn with ihe Gentleman from Cook and urge . ' i tbat thfs C@nference Committee Report be defeated.u speaker Giorgi: 'Representative Epton on the Conference Committ e i

Report.j, . i i Epton: 'Qhank you, Mr. Speaker, tadies and Gentlemen of the . ' I House. This is probably....this fs the first time and 1 . i I hope the last time that I have oecasion to disagree 1 with my seatmate. I do join with hfm on hfs remarks j insofar as the manner in which the Conference Committee i ' I met. Unfortunately there was a lack of communfcatiop iI

but it Was f 'O r t unate ChI at' this. haT been a subject which . .I has been familiar to many of us for many many months. i As a matter of fact; cohtrary to the remarks by some of I my colleagues, this Bill was initiated by t%e municipali ies I themselves. They vere faced with the inability to meet I the raising cost of unemployment compensation. They I ' I were faced with the cost and the inability of buyin: Priv te I insurance coverage. As ' a matter of fact they requested 1 a meet o f the Insurance Study Commissiop at Whiqh i .

x-c-w- - . . UN.. ' - $/W y G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6 - 1 5 - 7 g ( ; 't4.J: ;- zl sgA-rs os 'uulsols r ' i ' -.'R.1' .) . 5.j )( . yI o kl s E o F R l e R :2 s E N T A T lv e s ' .a2%% - 28. Representative William Walsh, .myself, Roger Bixby and several Mayors and municipal authorities appeared. And the Dfrector of Insurance and at that time they suggested that even though the# had the funds available in some areas, by statute they would not allowed to utilize tbese funds to pay some clafms and avoid the exorbitapt expense of paying an insurance carrier. So in effect, contrary

to vhat some .wùuld indicate tht/ does not add to the cos of local government but will reduce it. It will enable some of our municipalities...bear fn mind this Bill was created and initiateduvvbrgught forth at tbeir request to avoid paying insurqnce premiums to the insurance carriers. Many of them woutd like to be self insure rs, many of them would like to resolve these claims immediate y, 3y' statute the present time in many areas they cannot do so. 3y concurring éia thfs Conference Report we are not 'addipg to the burden of the municipalitiesy we are not gfving them an unleashed refn of addftional taxes. 'e are giving them the right to dispose of clafms completely quickly, efficiently and at a lesser cost. And I would appreciate your voting in favor of concurrence.'' Speaker Giorgi: ''Representative Schuneman on Conference Coamittee Report to 1468.''

Schuneman: ''A question of th'e Sponsor, Mr. Speaker.lf Speaker Ciorgi: I'Continue.'f Schuneman: ''Representative Yourells don 't have a copy of

the Conferen' ce Committee Report but the originat Bilt. of which I was a Cosponsor, provided tbat a local public entity may levy taxes to pay the cost of protecting itsel . Eas that been changed in the Conference Committee Report? 1 Y O u 'r e 1 1 : 'î N O 11 Schuneman: ''Then would like to speak to the motion, Mr. Speaker.'' S pea k er Giorgi: ''continue ,Mf....'' Schunepan: HI was one of the .original Coéponsors of this

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( . 29. legislation because of the request from ounicipalities

' . that we proyide a way for them to self-insure. And 1 .

. . have np particular objection to that but after further . study of the Bi11, I'have wïthdrawn as one of tbe Spoasor . For the sfmple reasoù Lhat this Bill goes beyond the ' T original fnteat ia that lt does permit local munfcipaliti s' to levy taxes without referendum , to pay the cost of : vorkmen 's èompensation and general liabflity insurance. Now that is qontrary to the position that I have often taken on tbe floor od the House. ànd for that reasoh. I'm witbdrawing my su'pport of thfs Bill and I would urge tîe Members of the House to relect this Conferenee Comnittee Xeport. Hase the Conference Committee meet againy take out that taxation' wfthout referendum and then bring ehe Bill back to us for approval. I urge a 'no' vote on this motion.'f Speaker Giorgi: î'Representative Contt on tbe Conference Committee Report.''

Conti: jy Mr. Speaker and Ladies and . Gentlemen of the House, B'u sy can you answer....how ,does tùis different from the Bill that I passed lask year on self A nsurance?l' Yourell) '1I really don 't know, Elmer, I am not famfliar with ' . I . your Bitl. But contrary to what has been said relative to additional taxes. As you know and it has been pointed out, this legislation kas inltfated by countfes and units of local government. it fs not a ref..p.it is uot added

. taxatlon without a . referendum . rt is not open ended # the can only levy for the 8 ost i ncurre d . And they levy vithi their own corporate levies. So we fre not talking about exorbftant cost and ff we don 't do this, you know, Elmer, the situation that faces units of local government today... that ff ve donêt do thisy in thts fashion tken they are gofng to have to go out an purchase insurance that will really add to the eost and the burden of the taxpayers.

I don ft know specifically, Almery vhat your Bill did' but

E x. ' ..'e'V n< . ,. . . .. l'N,!' . 5. G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6 -15 - 7 8 - , wxtp $, ' J J 'P'.#'2'pa e l s'r A 'r e o v' I t. u l s o Is . . ' ï 'è ... =.a ) . . T' V)= e l hjo u s e o F R gp a x) s E%I T' l T j w E: $ -X=Z IIiV6 % 30. I know that the municipal corporatfoa fn the State of

. Illinois, since this Jill passed out of the House with ' . only negattve votes. And I would suggest, we're not talking about the Bill we should be talking about the Conference Committee ieport. And I uould apprecfate your support . ''

Conti: ''Absolutelyy I think jve have been a victfm of that. There are several communitfes have beea a victim where we could I ,t

'' get iasurance and I ufge the adoptioa of this report. Speaker Giorgi: ''Representative Mudd on Conference Committee Report 1168.11 Mudd: MYes, Representative Yourell, my understanding of this

. Bill is that it was allowed a....not a. . . .to levy a tax to pay insurance but it allowed them a minimal to establish a small reserve to...up to a certain amount so that they could take care of small claims which they

felt would be of a reduced c'ase to them. Because the small ones seem to be the heaviest case load and they cou d resolve these locally aùd with this reserve and even kf

tbey vish, could purcha#e workmen 's comp. on the higher valued claims. ls that the same Bi11?f' Xourell: ''That fs part of 1468, yes.''

Mudd: HOkay. T:en.it doesn't jallow establisbment of a tax to

pay a11 of their workmen's comp. and unemployment insuran e. Oply to establish a small wokking capftal reserve for small elaims.''

Yourell; 9'0r claims. àgainst the unit of government.'' Mudd: f'Rigbt. okayo'' Spedker Giorgi: HRepresentative Friedrfch on Conference Committ e Report to House 3111 1468. ls be in the chambers? His

'l lfght is oh. Representat:ive Yourell to close. Xourell: DThank you, Mr. Speake: and Ladies and Genttemen of tbe House. I really am amared that we have any objectioa

to thfs Conference Committee Report. This Bill passed

out of the House vfth a 115 votes to only 7 negative vote .

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31. As the Chairman of tùe County Problens Commission and Representative Epton'described the situation tiat counties - and units of loçal government find themselves fn very ' ' accurately. Members of the County and Township Committee of the House have lnput iato this legislation as vell. And I can tell you that counties were very distressed vhen this Bill went to the Senate, lt came out of the Senate wfth a 54 to aothfng vote with aa laendment attached to it, Senate Amendment /1 which provided that the municfpality had to go court to adjudicate clàims ia assess to five hundred dollars. After the Conference Committee met ft was pointed out that this was not in the best iaterest of municipal corporation and they decided to do away with Amendment /1 to the Bi11. Now this 3fl1 passed out with a t15 votes and 1 can tell you 1 tbat if ve don't adopi this Conference Committee Report units of local governmenta counties, cities and villages and towns are going t8 find themselves in a very peculiar situation of having t: pay exorbitanc cost to insurance companies when they can...vhen they can do it in their own general corporate levy. ln) it is aot an open ehded

levyy'it specifically states in the 3il1 on page 4, lfne 154, funds raised gursuant to this section can be used

only for the payment o'f èlaihs. And suggest that this

fs what units of local' government vant, it does not as

one speaker indicated, do anything about worknem 's comp .

:as notbing to do with.workmen's compensation. It has 1 to do with unemploymenE iasurance and ctaims against that. 1'm sorrys'it does not do anything with unemployment insurance but with vorkmenfs comp. And I would really appreciate a favorable vote on Conference Committee Report l1, to nouse Bifl 1468.9' Speaker Girogi: 'X he question is, shall the House adopt the

Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1468. A11.... thls will require 89 votes. A11 in favor signify by voti g

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! ' :' ' . 'ayef and those opposed by voting fno '. l ' . Representative '' skinner to explain yèur vcte op thts issue - sklnner: ,. Mr. S. peakery 1as i year many o g us might have voted for thfs Bill who kod't vote for it this year. The reaso I . 1 is, last year we hadn't seea the results tbe referendum i ' n California on Proposition 13. Those of us who conside. ! . ourselves responsible' for the fncreases in vorkmen 's . ' ( comp. payments certa ih1 y feet a. quty to local government. I But on the other hand as tbe Representatlve sittfng in front of me has pointed out very eloquently, if we take j . ' . . the he at o f f lo ca1 gov'ersment we ' re neve r go f ng t o get

1' any revision in workmqn 'S compensatfon legfslation . And , I would consider that very unfortùnate, it is also . ' . indfsputable that the total tax burden of your taxpayers

l' as opposed to you tax eaters, *i11 increase if this passese

Speaker Giorgi: 'Representatfve Yourell, to explain your vote.''

Yourell: HWe11 I guess we really haven't .understood vhat we

t did wïth 115 votes out of this House aad 54 in t:e Senate . . I don't know what I c. an add to what bas already been safdj but I vould suggest to you , those of you who have a local governments in your distrfct that have been complaining to you about thefr fnability to meet tbe ristng cost of uneop 1 oynent t qsuranûea...are go i ng to be right back where I ' they tbe# started from. : Thfs is not a Bill that I :ad I any speciftc taterest tp other than they came to us claxo ing 1 f or some relief. And I.suggest that thfs is a B111 tbat j uill give them that relief, thfs is not a open ended

taxation vithout referendum. This is included in thei: levy, the geaeral corporate levy to be used only for the

. purposes and.. cl.. aims fileld against that unit of local government. Counttes are for it, counties have pleaded

for ity they need it and'they need ft now . And I suggest that you get on green and give tbe counties and unfts ' of government ia tllinoié tbe consideration they certalnl g ' d e s e r V e . 11 '

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he's talking about an.d I would like to know for sure Just what he's involving. I think that one of the important things that ve must do for local government within the next eight months...or six months. Is to do something about the unemployment comp. insurance that they are paying or are going to have to pay when we aome to the first of danuary, 1979. Nov, Mr. Youkell, T tbfnk you should make up your mind which yousre wor'king on. Workmenîs comp. or unemployment eomp .'ê Speaker Giorgi: HRepresentative Huskey to explain *is vote on

House Bi11. 1468.:: !

Huskèy: 'Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladfes and Gentlemen of the House , this is another means of double taxatfon.' Double taxatio without referendum beeause the businesses in the respectf e cdmmunfties are going to be taxed for workmen's comp. and unemployment'comp.; twïce. They are going to be taxed wben they pay on their ovn employees and they are going to be taxed again when they have to pay on the village employees. I would vote for thfs Bill if it had refereadum but with no referendum , I'm going to vote enof.'' Speaker Giorgi: 'Have at1 voted who wished? Representative Conti to explain his vote.'

Conti: HMr. Speaker....explafping my vote, I'm explaining my. . . .

I 'm explaining my vote,rphil. In explaining my vote, we bad a problem where we advertised for bids for iasuran e , we could not get insurahce. We were told by a company

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3A. that our insurance was going to cost us a hundred and

. ! . sixty thousaad dollars a year. We had to take the compan : ' j that offered this insurance without bidtngy.otherewise, I

i. we woutd not be insured. That was the reason why I passe ' Il the Bill last year and those that are concerned about a i taxation without referendum, a11 local governments with i

home rule units now can 't do this. So I don 't know what ! everybody is concerned about. Anybody that has a hore i . l rule unit can do this. we need the 89 votes, this clarifi s the Bill I passed 'last year and will help these communiti s : I that ask for..-.actually ask for biding on insurance and . I these insurance companies will not give them insurance, 'I they come in with a fiat bid.ll I Speaker Giorgi: ''Representaiive Collins to explain his vote.'' iI Collïns: HWel1, Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to comment tbat you ij ; are a worthy substitute for the permanent Speaker. You l i don't pay any attention to the rules either.'' I Speaker Giorgi: 'tFor that we will call, Mr. Mahar. to explain his vote.'' ' j Mahar: MYes, Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Tbere fs no questioa in ' j my mind that local gov' ernment needs sone tool by which j i they can effectively handle the tremendous increase in : - - ' ' cost of insurance. An'd there is one part of this Bitl ; deals with that is per- fectly okay . The fact that you're 1I allowing for a tax inc' rease without referendumy' is a j ' very very serious thing. Because it could end up àndrthe I1 . taxpayers'of that municipality paying tbat claim if tbey 1 see fit to use that paéticular route. ànd that, I think would be very very embarrassing if they looked back and ' . 1 found that we had supported that type of thtng. Now on ' the lines of local municipalites really wanting this, i1 I'm sure tbere are some municipalitfes that want tbis ' - legislation. If the eighteen municipalities in my distri t, j and I think I have fairly good communication witb them, I I have not heard from ône single one of them .'f

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Epton : ''Mr. Speaker, if my seatmate can steal a march on the . rules, I think I am entftled to the same broken prexogatl e.'' ' . . . Speaker Giorgi: l'Speed it 'up will youwl' Epton : ,, I f 11 do it very qudickly . First, I do respect his judgm nt of his district but I did talk to one constituten: of

his who is in favor ,of only 17 to 1, Bi11. Secondly, 1et me say tbfs, somewhere we fve gotten off the track . This gives the municipalities t:e right to self insure kf they so desire. The Bliss Agency in tbe Cfty of.... in the ...I forget where they are located...in Bloomington fs the only office that has statfstics on vhat it vill cost. And they have proved conclusively, that kf the muaieipalities are xsking for this...self insure, handle these claims themselves, they will take hundred and thous nds of dollars away from the insurance companies to the benef t of the taxpayers. So to those of you who are suggestfng this will add to the burden of the taxpayer or the busiaessmeu, you missed the entire purpœtt of this Bi11. This Bill came about not because of one indivfdual townsh p or munfcipality but from througbout the state. It allows them to insure in repiprocals. They themselves can be master of their ovn destiny. And I think that Bill Mahar and 1, can agree on one things...that it is time that I sit down.' Speaker Giorgi: HHave a1l voted who wished? Have a1l voted who wisbed? Take the reçord. Representative Yourell, reques s that we poll the absentees. Take the record. Representa ive Maharv for what reason do you arfse?''

ahar: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, if this vote reaches 89, I woul like to ask for a verification.n peaker Giorgi: î'The Gentl4nan asks...z'

lerk O'Brfen: 'îBluthardty.Brandt, Madison, Margalus, Molloy, Sandquist, Stearney, Steczo...''

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C1 er k o'Brien: 'êWikoff . Winchester , Wolf and Mr. Speaker.'f ' Speaker Giorgi: HAnd Repres'entative Levin vould like to be recorded from 'present' to 'aye'. There are 86 fayes', 57 Jnays' and 20 who àre voting ïpresentf and the Genclema fs motion to àdopt the Conference Comsittee Report failsk Representative Yourell, do you request another Conference Committee Report or just 1et it goC Representative Yourell, for what reason do you arfse?'f Yourell: 'We11, I...you know, I've been asked by some of my colleagues to put this oa Postponed Consideration . My own feeling is, that this Bill will certainly receive a tremendous support vhen these units of local governnent counties are going to be asked to pay for these insurance eosts so I really have no feelings one way or the other about àut in consideration of my colleagues, 1,11 put this on Postponed Consideration .ll speaker Giorgi: HEe can 't Dùnless he gets laave'of'the House. H can't unless he gets leave of the House. You have to make a motion, I think to revive it and get put on Postponed Consideration . Representative Yourell.'' Yourèll: 'Terhaps the request was not the proper one. Second ! conference Committee 'iepo'rf ts requested.'f Speaker Giorgi: ''That is a proper request, then a Second Conference Committee....the Gentleman moves for the appointment of Second Conference Commitee Report, which is in order. Al1 those in favor sfgnify by saying 'aye', opposed fno'. The 'ayès' have it and the Second conference Committee Report wi11 be formed. Senate Bills, Third Reading. On the Calendar appears Senate Bill 82, Rep- resentatïve Polk. Clerk , read the Bill a third tfme .'' clerk o'Brien: HSenate Bill 82, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. Third Reading of the B i 1. i * f '

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. e '6 speaker ciorgi: ''Representative Polk on Seaate Bill 82. Polk : ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Centleàen, I rèqudst' permissi n

' . . to move t>e 'Bi11 back to Second for purposes of an ' Amendmen t . '' '

Speaker Giorgi: î'Is there leave? Leave has been granted, the

I ' ' B111 is back on Second Readfng.f' lerk () ' Briea ) ''Amendment /3 c , Kosinskf . lmends senat e Bill ' 82 on oaRe 1, line 1 .and 5, and so forth.'' '- -' .

Speaker Giorgf: ''Representative Kosinski on the Amendment, Senate Bill 82.1' Kosinski: 'îMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentfemen of the House, Acendment /3 w i1l permit hearing of the Habitual Crimiaal Act bg the full Senate. It was lost in Committee, I

petitïon you to amend .tbis Bfll.H

'' Speaker Giorgi: ''Representative Houlfhan on the Amendment. Houliban : ''I have a parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker. This is the 3i1l which refers to tbe unlawful use of veapons

. Section of the Crfmfnal Code. And what the Anendmeat 1 vould do would be to give us the Eabitual Crimiaal Act and I question germaneness of the Amendmeni.' Speaker Giorgi: 'Q ack, let's see the Amendment. Parliamentaria informs me , the Amendment is geruane.o

Houlihan : HAII right then , I 'have a question of tbe Sponsor, if he will yield.'' ' Speaker Giorgi: He yields. Noulfhan: ''What happened to the Bill that you had t.hat in and o itself referred to wbat'you are attempting to db in this Ameadment. You had a Bill that referred....'' Kosinski: HYes: ff you remembiry Mr. Houlihan, l15 of us sponso ed a Bill on tbe Habitual Criminal Act....'' Houlihan: Hïs tbis Amendment //31?99 x Kosinskï: ,1 0ur legislative int'ent vas that the third Qommiàsion of a forcible felony gives the defendant life imprisonmen . This vent ïn..w-this pasied out of this House by I %eliev , ' 127 votes and went fnto the Senate. It left the Senate

- . . . , , ' . ( x 'N. s,. h i . G E N E ,R m .A v .L o e A1 u uS I.S o E, . M B L Y 6 - l 5 - 7 8 -. 'h'ks .4 .. ' F7. . ' ..us. oe a.e...... f.v,v.. W 22: Y*s.y I I 38. Rules Commfttee vith the aecessary votes to get into the Senate Judicfary Com4ittee. In the interim the Governor

and T had certain c' ommitments relative to assfstance on ) this Bill but the comyunication vas bad and in the Senate Judiciary Cocmfttee the Bill was lostu The only way to get the legfslative fntent of the 115 Members of this House back fnto the Senate for full consideratioa ....is ' through this medium. 'Now if it is kflled'in. the Senate it's killed in the Senate. Hovever, 1....'' Houlihan: f'Hasn 't it already once been killed in the Senate? That's the point Ifm trying to make.n Kosinski: ''It was killed in Senate Committee througb wbat I

feel fs lack'of commuqicatfon, Mr. Hoùlfhan .'' Eoulihan: ''We1l, I suspect t'he same lack of communicatfon is going to effect this Amendment once ft gets over to the Senate when they are asked to concur dr to non concur in the Amendment. Nov I just think the Membership should know that what the Amendment does fs chaage this Bill totally. It changes it totally, ft nok becomes the Eabitual Criminal lct and I think that we should be aware of what is happesing here. The Senate has already rejected it once...vf' Kosinski: 'Mr. Houlfhan.e..'' Houlihan: 'lAnd the Senate is going to reject it again and I think we ought to reject it novz' Kosinski: HYou >ay be rigbt in terms of what the Senate action is but still the legisl'1ative intent of 115 Members of thi House, over a perfod of three yearsy is totatly clear to me. And for â full'consideration , this is the onty vehiele left tn my command and I petition this House to send back this measuye to .the Senate the way we origin 1ly constructed ït for full'consideratien . And I move for the adoptfon of this Amindmeatv' Speaker Giorgi: HThe question isy shall the House adopt....Rep- resentative Sèhlickman...your light is not on .l'

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39. Schlickman : Hïiell the one I have here is.'' Speaker Giotgi: ''Jack come here and take a look at this. I donlt want to be accused of i'gnoring' him .'' Schlickman: 'Q would never suggest thaf of you.k..'' Speaker Giorgi: 'lRepresentative'schlickman on the Amendment.'? Schlickman: 'We11, Mr. Speaker aad Members of the House. I too Join in opposition to this Anendment. Whfle the Parliamentarian in his wisdom may cùnclude that this is not a germahe Amendment....that it is a germa*'e lmend- ment, obviously it is not within the spirit of the Bill as it was originally introduced in the Senate. Mr. Speaker, Members of ihe House, as the previous speaker pofnted out, this completely changes the thrust of thfs Bi11. It cbanges in such a way...vin a

s' Speaker Gforgi: î'Representative Friedrich on the Amendment.

Friedrich: ''Mr. Speakery I was going to suggest, tbe Chair had ruled on the germaheness of this and it was not debatableu Number twos I vant to suggest that this is the opportunity for us to correct an error that the Senate made. Because we passed a Habitual Crimiaal Aet and ff we don 't get thfs ony of course it is goiag to be fifteen years dow.n the road before it takes effect. Now I thfnk we al1 intended that that become imuediately effected wbich it develops, it is not. And if we're goin ( to have a habitual criminal 1aw in this state here is tbe . . rf'

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Speaker Glorgit 'Representative Darrow on the Amendment/f

Darrow: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a parliamentary inquiry. ' We . ': . - passed this Bi11 outy it vas over in t:e Senate, ft was killed in Commn'ttee. We how have substantially ff not lftcrally the snan o . .

Bill ln the form of an Amendment. As in the E.R.A. case, I ask the same questioa. Can we now cdnsider this Bi1l havfng passed ft out of here and having it 'be... been defeated in the Senate or must we wait till :the next Session of tbe General Assembly?''

Speaker Gforgf: j, Mr. Darrow, the rules do not prohfbit any Member' 2 from offering any Amendment that's proper. ln this case, we have

'' ruled earlier that the lmendment was proper and germane. Darrov: ''Thank you.'' Speaker Giorgi: 'Nr. Kosinski. to close.î'

Kosinski: 'Yr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Eouse, it must

be obvfous to you that this ks, no political ploy. It must be ob- vious to you further that our legislative lntent was clear when ' we came up wit: the Habitual Criminal Act. For lack of communi- cation, I don't wish our intent to be dead. I discussed this fully

with the Sponsor of the Bi11, House Sponsor of the Bills Ben Polk. Representative Polk is in agrebment thoroughly vfth me as one of

the Cosponsors of the Three Tfme Loser Bil1. In addition, I Nave heresay evidenqe of the Senate Sponsor of this Bill fs also in accord. I#d know that there was lack of communfcation in tbe Senate CommA'ttee. T am attemptfng to correct this at this time and I enjoin you to sponsor tbisy to pass thfs àmendment as our only vehiele.'' Speaker Giorgii nThe question fs, shall the House adopt Amendment II3 to Senate Bill 82. A11 those in favor wfll signlfy by votfng faye' aad those opposed by voting 'no'. Have a1t voted v*o wlshed? : Have al1 voted who wished? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. 0n thisa.. ûn tbis question there are 9% 'ayesl, 40 'nays' and the Amend- ment is adopted. Any further Amendmeats?'' ' Clerk O i Brien: ,, N o further Amendments.,,

Speaker Giorgi: HThtrd Reading. On the Calendar on Seadte Bills, Third Reading appears Senate Bill 389. Representative Creiman on Senate Bill 389. Out of the recokd. Senate... on the Calendar ' ...JJ'''& 1 . ' * - ', vq% i>X, G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Y 6- l 5- 7 8 t i! .. !..f. :1.-2 11 svxvs oe luulaots -. ' '. ..'X4-;1L J./ *1!.: ; . '. . L q? ' . . g' : blo KJS C & F G EP R E/ENT A'T1 V Q; $ k. . . ' <+ >'x . t) z , jq *% . ï .

' 41. appears Senate Bill 1060. Senator Tipsword. Representative $ Tïpsword . '' , ' . - ' . '. . ' . ' ' I . I Clerk o'Briea: ''Senate Bill 1060. A Bfll for an lct 1 ... a Bill for .. an Act creating the Illinofs Health Ffnance Authortty and define ' its povers and dutfes. Thir'd Reading of tbe 3i11.'1 ' .

ll ' Speaker Giorgi) uRepresentativ'e Tipswordo Tfpsword: îYr. Speaker and Ladiès and Gentlemen. this is the Bill that we had so many lmendments that were considered a couple of days ago. It's the Bill that creates the Illinois Health Finance Authority and this is the Authority that has the authority and $ power under this Act if ft is so set up by your enaetment bere to- day to provfde for rate settfhg for hospltals individually through- out the State of Illinois. And let me emphasfze that this is... so provides individually. It' fs not a st/te-wide rate that is being set up. And the âuthorfty is mandated to take into consld- eration each commuaity's needs, the efficiencies of the hospital in... that ts under conslderation, whether that hospital is doing ' l a11 it caa to provide the best cyre that ft possibly can for the patients fn that hostftal. if itts doing it efficiently or not and what is the reasonable cost for each of those services iu that hospital. I would lïke to gïve you a lfttle bit of history as to how this legislatfon actually came to pass and it has not been as you have seea in a few editorials tkat have been put out or a few letters tbat bave come from a very few dtsgruntled hos- pltals in the State of Illïnofs'. This legistation insofar as I am concerned ffrst came to pass by Virtue of a study done by the Illfnofs Fiscal and Economic Cahmission of thïs General Assembly of whicb Representative Lechowicz was a movfng force to have this kind of a study done-to see what we could do to find a more efff- cient system in the StaLe of Illinois to provide payment of the

state's obligations for hospital care in the state. Ip thd course of that study, it was deternined that we needed some kind of a ' predetermined raLe for services because tbe problem tbat we have now and that we have up to this p' oint been unable to solve is that j 1 . we have no current real rate for . tbose j servlces for.the various j

' ' 1 hospitals. As the Bills come into our various state departments, y-kk-'Q(. . . . . L, . . () .y .5.../ y / .fw. ct ., G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y . .r xi -.% /. ; -.1, t l) s i. . 'r v: o e ) u u , s o , s ' l & ' y,);r @ t s o us z o >' a Ee R gs g: NTATI v Es .. . .. 1, . - . .: X r*. zkz: AV. ' - ' to ehe Department of Public Aïd, the nepartment of Public Health . . they look at those Bflls and then make a determination as to

whether or not the càarge in' that particular case was reasonable. Sometimes that requires to go back for addftional proof and addi- tional documentatfon and it is often months befpre that particu-

1ar Bill is paid. And this happens time and tiae and time again. We have a guarantee to the hospitals then that ff there is a loss

that we#re going to make it up from the State of Illinois. Then that is again reviewed when we come to that loss process as to

whether itls going to be reviewed ox paid in full or not. ls the loss what the hospital says it fs or is it what the Department

of Public Aid may say it is? At the same time, we have federal agencies also coming in disputlng bills and not paying thefr total full fafr share. What then happens? The hospitals in the mean-

tixe have to keep operating.so.they go out and borrow money. And

the borr/wfng meney is another 2cost of thefr operation. And kf

they are not then finalty paid totally'in full, theyfNe got to mmve lt up from somewhere else. And where fs that? It is moved

to the individual consumers of the State of Illinois. For these hospitals unless they have charftable funds or tax'funds that make up their difference of some soré, bave to move those costs over to the other patients and those other patients are you and I and our neighbors who are indivfdually paying their hospital bills in the State of Illinois. Consequentlyy your bills go up as a result of the fact that the state and t?e Feds. are not paying théir full share or a1so...''

Speaker Giorgi': nExcuse mey' Mr, Tipsword. Represeatative Leinenweber, for wîat reason do you rfse? Is it a polnt of order?f'

Leinenweber: ''Yes, it fss Mr. Speaker. This is one of the most im- portant Bllls of thfs Session and I think we ought to have a little

more decorum. 1 don't know if people are paying attention, but they sure ought to be.''

Speaker Gforgi: f'Representative Vinsony for what reason do you rlse?''

Vinson: 'Parlfanentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker/' Speaker Gforgf: NContinue.l' Vinson: HHow many vdtes does tbis take to pass this Bi1l?H G ENER AL A SSEM BLY 6-15-78 ST A T t o F' 1 u k. 1 N O ! % Hougt QF P/FRE:ENTATIVES 43. Speaker Gforgl: 'Ny Parllamentarfan left me. Why donlt ve continue

. . . with the debate and 1'11 give you an answer to that in a few sec- ' . I ' - . - onds. We will study the rules. Representativç Tipsword, continueao Tipsword: nrhis is a Bill to try to eliminate that shift of that cost

. over to the fndividual consumers throughout t*e State of Illinois. This is a Bi11 that has been. put together as a compromise of a11 of the iaterested partïes tbroughout the State of Illfnofs. We have the Illinois Hospïtal Association as one of tbe major ones that contrfbuted to this task force that put the Bill into t:e

' shape it finally is. Ne had hearïngs by the House and the Senate, R1=>a Resources Committees at great length. Now this Bill that

youfre hearfng now or the comparable B111, House 3ill 2339, that is over in the Senate is not 'the first effort. The very first ef- fort eNen ptior to the Eouse Fiscal and Economic Comma'ssion came out of this House and from .the Comml-sstons of this House and Rep-

. resentatïve Chapman was one of the very early Sponsors of similar types of legislatfon for she foresaw long, long ago that we needed to have some means of getting lmmedfate payment to the health pro- viders in this state so that we could really lower the cost to the State of Illinofs and at the same tfte keep from shifting this burden as a bidden tax over upon the indfvfdual patient fn the

hospitals who are paying tbeir1, ovn bills or shift.ing ft over to the... those who have their bills paid by insurance and thereby raf sfng your. insurance premium. Thf s Bill fs maybe not rb e b es t o r final answer, but it is certafnly far better than what we have at the present time. Tbis... it is required that these rates be reviewed year by year. It j s re'quired that there must be action l upon it by the Authorfty fn sfyty days. rhe very last Amendment that we accepted to this Bill was Representative tevin's Amend- ment to try to gfve some impetùs to these fe< meabers of the .

. Authorfty who can vote that they will act within the sixty-day period that is allowed to them. At the time that the orfgfnal I Bills were filed. in .this Eouse. they were much broader and went t . through a11 kfnds of health service providers. lt was limited iI back by the House and by conference 1 ... by these Commlttees and 1 t:e task force to hospitals generally sfmply because this is the l . '' -G; 7x . ' - Q. ) . G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6-15-78 . f ; 'X &f L'?.Na Aw ,) s'r ..'r e: o ., ' uw, ?', o , s . 1 tK nJ % ' O.W . '* ' .X * ' jjouse oe yvll.nessxq'sTlvls .. s L .x.' yj . Xy,1o I,S,IS ' u.. 2 '' ------. . - - - - - 44 a area in whic: the computer information is available and readily

- aad easily availablepand it is not necessarily quite so readfly available today from a11 of the other health service areas. If

. it works in this area tben perhaps fn the future we can look to see it going into other possible health areas ff that meets tbe will of the General Assembly and of the people of the State of Illinois. But wefre concerned only now with provisions of health care serviûes in the hospitals and trying to eliminate some of the costs that our state bas based and also trying to eliminate the bidden cost that has been transferred over to you ané me. It is provided that there are' five Members of thfs Authority' who vote upon thes: rates and four of t%ose five Members are consuaprs and can only be consumers of health services. They cannot have any fnterest ia a hospital, direct or indïrect. 0ne... the one other Yember, one out of the five ts to be a hospital trustee. Now let ae point out that's not a hospital administra'tor and ft's not a person whe has a proprletary interest in the income of that hospftal. Most of the people ve find servfng on hospital boards throughout the State of Illinois are publlc spirited eitizens vho are serging there to try go prdvide good :ea1th care services to the people. They may have absolutely no interesc and usually they are employed in some completely dffferent capacity. ' They may be professfonal persons, they may be executives of industries located in the various çommunitiesy they xay be fndividual citizens, mem- bers ok the F.T.A.. housewives, whoever it may be who have shown the capacity and the wfllingness and the interest to serve upon these hospital boards. There is some opposition...'' Speaker Glorgi: 'Excuse mes Mr. Tipsvord. Represeatative Mcclain, for what reason do you rise? Mr. Mcclaino'l Mcclain: f'Thank youy Mr. Speaker. Mr. telnenweber's a hundred per- cent correct. Would you mind gavelfng down tbe noise level. Thfs is a... I mean, I think a very,'very important Bi1l.'' Speaker Gforgi: l'Can we ple' ase have the attentfon of the Meabers? Quite a few Members have expressed concern over this Bfl1.'' Mcclain: ''At least ask them to please quiet down a little bit so some of gs can listen.' GENE RA L A SSEM BLY 6-15-78 SY A T E Q F I L.L l N o $ S H Ch kl @ t' Q F R E P R E S l N T A T l V IS ' j . ,

; 45. speaker Gforgi: ''Contlnue, Mr. Tipsword-'' lipsword: ''There is-some opposition to this B111 from some groups '1 throughout the state but I ghink you will find that most of the really interested areak, most of the insurance providers, most of the consumers that know what the Bfll fs really about, almost a11 of the hospitals of tbe State of Illinois with the exqeption of a few proprietary hospitals who have asked to bave a guaranteed profit margin written into this Bill whicb was relected in the Amendments the other day, almost everybody including the Illinois Department of Public Aïd, the Illlnois Departnent of Publfc Hea1th, and the Governor of this state are nov in support of this Bill as the best effort we have to t:y to meet this very pressing and try- ing problem. I urge the Menbers of thié House to give their full consideration to this Seaate Bill 1060. I think it is a good- Bi11. It is the best Bill we bave to try to meet these various 1 seriocs problems. I hope that we can Pass it and I hope that this j Authorlty works out to be wh4t everyone believes that it certainly 1 can and will be.f' . j Speaker ciorgi: î'Representatlve 'Katz on Senate Bill 1060/'

Katz: nMr. Speaker and tadfes add Gentlemen of the House, I rise in 9 opposition to Senate B111 t060. In doing so, I know that the Gentle- man frcm Caylorville very conscientfous ly fs concerned about the 1 problem of rising hosptial costs. I know very wéll that the... many people on the Human Resources Committee and I do respect their concern. As a matter of fact, the Federal Governpent is consid- ering thfs problem and I do believe that the reason that t:e in- dustry is so anxiously supporting this Bill is for the Nery reason

that they are trying to avoid.fedezal regulation. Nowxthe ques- tion is very sinple. It is a price ffxfng Bi11. Does price ffxing work in peacettme in the United States? Has it ever worked? What happens inevitably is that you set up a structure. Itrs gofng to be ffne, it's going to keep prices down. What happens is the in- i dustry, the insurance compaéies, the hospitals, they take over the ' b j 1 oards. That's the iqevitably stôry that happens everywbere. çhat '1 was the poiat made in the Chicago Tribune editorial of yesterday . 1 opposing this Bi11. Why is the industry a11 of a sudden in favor ..'-*-7n-.. . -. c E x E R . u A s s E u i) t. y 6-z5-7s '- G' - '. f -4.6 !$f6- -, -ij. ') s x . v s o 4, , u u ,m o l s , :( .e - r j..,1. s . . , . .., . tp.yt . i j: o kl s e o e a s v R s; s z :4 'r A 'r ,v c s -- VQ ' .a fo Ps . l A6. , of price fixfng? Why are tie insurance coopanies in favor of price ' ffxing? Because.they arexthe ones that are golng' to do. tbe ptice ' fixing. And they are thereby going to avoid federal legislation because the leRfslatfon that ïs.pendiag on Congress exempts from j regulation hospitals, hospital rates in states where the state Legls- jI ' $ , lature has acted. If anythfng fs to be gained from the votes that j took place a few days ago id Californfa. it is that the people are 'jI i: tired of inXcreasing bureaucracy. You will create another bureau- j . 1 cratic agency i . Do you really think that a1l of these little bureau- I crats wetre going to have there are going to go over a11 of the' j j iospital costs of the tvelve hospitals in Jolïet or vhatever num- I i ber of the hospitals in Streator or the hospitals in Centralia: i i The fact of t%e matter is that the Bill provides that the hospi i ' - . l tat =an ûhalge wbatever rates it wants. Then you come in and ob- t 1 jeet to it and they have a right to set ft asïde. The fact of the ' . I matter is that youlre not gofng to... a bureaucracy tàat could ad- ï i mfnister the rates of a11 tbe hospitals fn Illlnois would require '' i us to build a second Stratton, Building here. If you vant to regu- I late and aet more bureaucrats to be dominated by the fndustry that . they propose to regulate. thep vote in favor of thfs kind of legis- i i latfon. Close your eyes to the history of regulatlon ïn the Pnited I . 1 States. Igaore the fact that every structure you set up creates . . I additional cost, addftional bureaucracy and itfll be only a matter i I of a'year or tvo untfl the inéustry remains arounq formally takes I , ' j over the boards and fn the name of price fixing. then proceeds to h . . i price fix to fts heartfsaconteh t And so while I have utmost re- j 1 spect for those people who sponsor this kind of legislation and j while I share tbeir concern for tbe rising hospital c' osts, that il rising hosptial cost problem

. witl turn over to the hospitals in Illfnois a11 the regùlation of ' hospitat prices and this Bill that wfll decéive a11 the peopley that tells them we're going to do somethfng about the problem evea

k .&4. 6. . -:,. :, u G E N E R A L A S; S E 51 B t Y :.5.:8 ( , X. c. fQj 2! 1jp hT s 'r A 'r E7 o Fr 1 w u l hl o 1 s ' ! . .'. Jt -.=' œ J H o v s < o F R w !. n e s E N 'r A 'r I v E: s '... x.z!su'.v* ' 47 . though everybody knows we're not going to do anything about the ! problem, even though'everybodycknows that this 1s. nothing but a' snare and a delusion. It has been disproved over éae rican his- tory tine and time agâln and accordfnglys I urgp my.cotleagues Lo resist this opportunity to do a service for the fndustryy Xnsur= ance and bospitals, to vote for the consumer and to vote against thfs bureaucratic monstrosit. y.'' speaker Gforgf: HRepresentative Geo-Karfs on Senate Bill 1060.''

Geo-Karis: $N r. Speaker and Ladies and Geatlemen of t%e House, 1 can think of no worse bureaucracy than the federal bureaucracy in the watter favolvïng hea1th. Now if we vant to 1et the Federal Gov- ernment fntervene which itfs going to do unless the state passes a meaningful Bill, veere gofng to have them right fn our backyard.

Webre going to lead into socialized medieine if we do that. And

I cannot ixagfne a doctor whofs on socfalfzed medfcine, for example, or a hospital worryfag about taking the extra mfle-to save some-

one's leg. 1 would suggest that you took at tbis 3i1l very strongly. The Sponsor has gone through many headaches on this thing because he knows asd I know and those of you w:o have studied this situa-

tion know; right along wfth Representatïve Chapman, that if we donft pass a meaningful 3i11 at thfs'tfme like tbis oney we areegofng . to have re/l problems. I might add that maybe thts is not the best Bill, but ft's certainly better tban what weRve ever had before and the bospitals in my area support the concept'of this Bill. It

can alwaysebe amen'ded in other years. There's more 'improvement to

be made bu: I think! wefve got to take the aain... the major step to establish this Bill because if we donet, we are goïng to have wore federal intervention and that doesn't mean necessarily that

it1.1l be to'the best beneflt ofw our.health/' Speaker Hea1th: 'fRepresentative Lei%enweber Dn Senate Bï11 1060J' Leinenweber: Hlhank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the previous speaker's reasonlng is curious indeed cause what she's saying is because the Federal Governmentfs gotng to come ln with a 1aw that's absolutely nutty that we must pass a nutty 1aw in order to keep the Federal Goveraaent from acting. Well, that belies my understanding of

what we're here fpr. Why sbould ve take. the blame and pass a Bill G EN ERA L ASSEM BLY 6-15-78 ST A X' l Q F I 1. u I N 0 I S etoufYl QF RRPRKSKNTATCVQ:I ' I . j 48. I that has been termed by Repkesentatfve Katz so eloquently as a

. priee fixing, Yufeauûxatic ponstrosityeand that's 'exactly what-tbis '' ' r'' t:

is. I received a telegram from one of the hospitals fa my district.c. :

this moraing pleading wit: me to support thfs Bi11. And.it's very ' t 1 l curious indeed to have someone who is about to be regulated by. a. .7 , bureaucratic monster like tiis be a11 for it. to such an extent that

he would send me a telegram pleading witî me to support it. lhere-

fore. I have to wonder why. , And the only reason why fs because they see that thls is a way out of some of their economïc problems , that they can painlessly raipe their rates in such a way that they can perpetrate... perpetuate certain inefffcïencies which they may

be practicinz. As Representative Katz pointed out, this Bill es- tablishes a bureaucracy to ffx prices that our hospftals may charge for rooms and other servicest It has never worked in peacetime or

in war to my knovledge, but cértafnly not in peacetfme. You saw l what happened when we fixed i:e rates of meat a few years back and

we fixed the e th er r at ee . Qt do es n ft w ork . A11 it Ldoas is p er etu at higher and higher and hfgher kates and I might point out that this is not, this is not so unusual that an fddustry such as hospftals would want to be regulated by the state and the rates that they can charge. You talk to your truckers and see ff they would lfke to be released from the rate-makiag powexs of the lltinois Commerce Coma4ssion and they say absolutely not because then we'd have to compete. You talk to the afrlfnes whether they want to be released

from the regulation of tbe Civil Aeronautics Association, they say

absolutely not because then theyfd have to compete. You talk to any other group tbat's regulatèd by government as to what prices they can charge and ask them ff theyfd lfke to be released from this odious burden and they a11 say absolutely not because then they'd have to compete. Theyfd have to j ustffy some of their ineffteieneies. I say to you that price fixing; be it by government or in the back room by varfous buslness people, a11 has precisely the same intent

and that fs to raise tbe rates to compensaLe for inefficfencïes. The otber point raised previously about this 3il1 is t%e tremendous

bureaucracy that this wfll create. And if anything, I think most of us when we campaigned spoke agalnst or cook positions against

... (k t.- '' . . ? -B krsv G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6-15-78 . . . s'j'r. m y . f j 54v' < (. ;k .' s. .. 1- L ); s w A 'r r o F I u u l N o ( s . . N'p' m / yj o us ? o F' a e:eR Esg: N 'r A TI v Es '. 1 , x. x -ï,.3 f. Q ,5 ;::-'* '., I ' ! i th e... buteaucrat's that ever lncreasing in numbers seem to be mul- i 'tfplying throughout 'tbis state 'and Federal Government. '.l say.:if'' . '. -'.. t l tbe Federal Government is gofng to. impose tbis type of nonsense ' on uss then 1et the Yederal Government take the btame. Let us not be in the forefront and tr# to beat them at it. I urge a 'nor V0 2 e . ' V

Jpeaker Giorgi: ''Representatfve Keats on Senate B111 1060.:' Keats: 'Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladfes and Gentlemen of the House. I would like to rise in opposftion to this Bill to enjofn : . . kïth my fellow Represeatattvqsz Representative Vatz and Lefnenweber,

in diseusslng a couple of the serious probtems. 1 tbink the big- gest problem we face in this Bill is the one being overlooked. Rave you noticed that every single special iaterest group is in

favor of this Bfll? Now you think about it. Wben was the last time every siagle special interest group got behind one Bill? Didn't they walk away with your vallèt and with every consumer's wallet in the entire state? Thatts exactly whatîs gofng to happen this timey too. Cverybody aud his 'cousin says Ye don't have to compete

anymore.. We're gofng to get to regulate curselvès. rhe industry

We'll no longer be subject to any kind of honest competftïon. Theylre

gofng to run their own game, theyfre gofng to do whatever tbey want. You knowy in the prïvate sector when four businessmen get together and set prices, tbèyfre called crooks and theyfre sent to jail. But in the publfc sector whea four bureaucrats get together and fix

prices, it's called consumer protectïon and suddealy theyfre beroes.

Well if it's wrong in the private sector, it is wrong in the pub- 1ic sector. And on this Bill they talk about the fact that maybe someday we can ger rid of ft bui that's absurd. They say saybe some

day we can throw in a sunset. That's not accurate. You kncw as well as I do we baven't gotten rid of a bureaucracy since tbe last

time Representatfve Stearney moved one to Angelo's Towhead. And

we didn't get rid of that. It was brought back. They stuck it in undex a table and next tbing you knov, a bureaucracy we thought we'd

killed was back at work hanging the consumers of this state. Our real problem in hospital costs is the flood of additional money

.,' f -:4.j' t'''q ts G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6- 15- p a t 1 . :.,?* r.- ' L s v .. m s o e , u u , ,d ih ! s c t ,), ., 7j ,. .'. ' îi .,W .2 - Y Z B1:o1( .z Hovse o r aqealsrpl'r Aerlves t

50. into the systen. Without ahy real increase fn the facilfties

- .' available, we have flooded new btllions of dollars worth of medid= aid and medicare inio the system. As long as we're flooding in

- new billions, we are going to have fnflatfon. The problem is not to suddenly ' allow the industry to deeide what tbeylll charge, the answer is for us to take a look at the costs we are fncreasing. So what I ask you is to remember if every single specfal interest group wants the Bill, you oùght to keep in mïnd because they don't have ypur best interests in iind, they don't have the consumers

best interest in mind, they bave their own. I ask you to please avoid passing this Bi11 that will allow t:e industry to regulate itself and rip off every consumer and every taxpayer in the State j of Illinofs. Thank you/'

66 Speaker Giorgi: ''Representative Vinson on Senate Bill 1260. Vïnson: I'Mr. Speaker, I reaew my parliamentary lnquiry regarding bow many votes it takes to pass the Bi11.H Speaker Giorgi: '1Mr. Vinson. in answer to your carlier question , taking the questïon in the manner whfch is most favorable to your request. If the Bfll is interpreted to apply to home rule units and to regu- late the ratgs of thefr hospitals by the state, the Bi1l comes un- der the express, exclusive eiercfse provision of Paragraph H of Article VII, Section 6 of the Constitution and under that provf- sion, the Bflt requires 89 vojtes.'f Vfnson: 'Nr. Speaker, I'm not golng to... I'm n/t goïng to appeal the ruling of the Chair on this. ' I will point out there wfll be sub- stantial litfgatfon on the subject and I'd lfke to point out that several of us vill file a dissent from this. We believe that tbe clear intent of the Bill is to regulate home rule unit hospitals. 1 Because of that, tö fall under Section G it has to provide for an exclusive exercfse, an exclusive exercise of the regulator func- tion by the state. But the Bi11 doesn't clearly saywtbat and what the courts are going to do on 'this and I thisk there's some people on the other side of the aisle that might want to thfnk very care-

fullyy the courts are going to say that by lmplication with 89 votes, you can oust the Pre... the hqme rule article in the Constitution. And this is gofng to be a decision that is going to substantially

' . t'. G E N E R A L A:S S E M B L Y 6-15-78 /. 76.> x, :q;a . .-j. .z- p. 'i l s 'r A. 'r r o r l u u 1 s o k s . .(' ' ..'uc.$11ft!il ; . . . N. * X= * ? HotasE or REI.RrSRNTA.TI vEs ..,.1,t. j';l qa* 5t. erode the meaning of the home rule article under the Constltution

. . , . - : . and çreatgea precedent whlch several people on-the other side I ' j don't think want. May I speak to the 3i11, Mr. Speaker?''

' . . SP eaker Giorgi: 'îcontfnue/' .' Vinson: 'Yhy we have leave to fi1e..Jî

Speaker Giorgi: 'lExquse mey Mr: Vinson. Representative Eoulihan, for what reason do you rise? Dan.'l D. Roulfban: HI would like, if you would, to complete your ruling as >ou gave it in part to Reprepentative Vinson as far as the number of votes that would be required. You have not ruled that thfs fs a preemption measures but whât you have not stated is the reverse : of that. I think the Paxliamentarian has it there. Would you read that in the record please?'' Speaker Gtorzi: 'fTo further continue with the rulingy if the Bill is interpreted not to apply to home rule unit höspitalsy then there . 1 is no : home rule issue at a11' and 89 votes are stfll requïred. 1

That's part of the record also. Continue, Mr. Vinson, with your i dissertation-' ' Vinson: 'Nr. Speaker, may ue have leave to file a written dfssent from the ruling?'' ' j Speaker Giorai: ''Yes, you may-'' Vl ' j' nson: ''Thank yov.'' h Speaker Giorgi: uYes, you may.'l Vfnson: '%hy I speak to the Bi11?H : Speaker oîorgi: ncontinue-'' ' . j Vinson: î'This fs undoubtedly the worst B111 of t:is legislative Ses- j

sion. It 's gof ng to cartelize the hospital fndustry and as Mr . 1 Keats suggested, it's going to create a sftuatïon where the con- sumers are going to lose money, not gain money. T%ere's several fallàcies that have been perpedrated on Members of this General Assembly by the proponents to the Bi11. ûne of tbe most impor- 'I tant thatls leadfng some Members to vote 'yes' who in their con- 1 science would like to vote 'noi is' that the Federal Government , if j we pass this Bf11. will 1et thê state rather than H I ' *' ' .E.W. re'z''' ulate j 1 rates for hospitals. The Bill that is moviné through the House I

Comaerce Comnittee in Nashingtén, the Carfer Admiaistration Bill, l . 'FNV . ' X. . . .j. .. . ,:: .,$ G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6-15-78 ' . , .s.4 :t.1!P. >-u ë v a v s o ,. I u u , x o , s . ( t tzx - 1 y-. , ; s .. . ;.'. i n. g * .: uousz o F. n spaxsEplx lT') v es . X ,., t a az .. (). akav v* . 57 contains no sueh provision. What the Bill says is that if the

. ' - ' rate of 'ittf lation- .f ok' hos'p' itals doesa' t' f a11 at l'east f our per- ' . - ' - i ' cent fn the nexr two yearsa ithen M.E.W. must requlate the rates. Ij ' '' t . j ' There's n: provision for a delegation of authorfty to the state I . j ' so in no way is this going to provide an insulatfonfrom that 1 federal regulation in two years if tNe Bill is triggered: if the

. 'federal Bill is triggered. What ve are doing is creatfng a state agency much like the Illinoié facility... Health Facilities Plan- nin: Board to regulate hospitals. And every Legislator in this chamber today who is here in a year er t I wo is going to be spending 1 much of theïr time fighting où behalf of their local hospital with I t I . this new bureaucratfc monster. Every fight that yourve had with l . . I 1 the Healtb Facilfties Planning Board fs a training ground for a I! I ae< ffght with this new agency. Aad I urge yeu to think about $I I whether you want to create that problem for yourself two years down 1I ' I the road . î' lj ' 1 I . Speaker Giorgi: ''Representative Totten on Senate Bill 1060/: 1I ' ! f. # f yf Totten: I don t thtnk be s finished. . I ' I Speaker Giorgi: î'Ifm sorry j . I thought Mr. Vinson vas coacluded. Con- I I ; . I Cfnuey Mr. Vinson. Please brfng your remarks to a close/' l . I I Vinson: NThe realepurpose of this B1l1... the real purpose of this 1 I I 3i11 asfde from that possible concern is to provide a proteetf I oa $ for the group of hospitals and insurance companies chat can raise their rates against the consumer. No consumer can file a case agaihst the board that sets these rates. only an insurance coa- k pany whfch caa pass along the premfum to the consumer. The con- sumer gets no protection frow this Bi11. It's a terrible evil that we?re inflicting on consume*s today. It's creating a bureau- cratlccmonster and I heartily urge a Sno' vote on final passage/'

Speaker Giorgi; HPardonzme, Mr. Vinson. Mr. Lefnenweber, for what reason do you rise now7'' 1 Leinenweber: Iîpoint of parliamentary inquiry , Mr. Speaker/' 1 Speaker Giorgi; 'lNes, Sir/' Leinenweber: ''Again havfng to do with the number of votes requfred. 1 z know you ruled oa the specific point raised by Representative I i - Vinson, but I also call to your attention Section 13 ex'emp ts tb e

' q'z ' : @#+Qx ., G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Y 6-15-78 f' ; - w-'.e-' . ,.. rj-:a 'th sm ,. v a o e , u u , ,1 o , s t c H., -,! i: &- . souss o, r.aielesssxrexlvss .. ... :-t . hvt. i;(. ** ' . 53 . Agthority from a taxation, any and a11 taxes which might be lev- eled by units of'lbdal g6vèr' nment spdciufitîlly on'property that

it aay acquire. And I would pdint out that under Artlcle VII, Sectïon 6(g) that in order to do' so; it appears that the... there's a requirement of three-fifths of the Members eoected to each House to deny such a power io the units of local governaent. I'd ask for the Chair to reconsider its ruling in lfght of that spe- cifie provision ln the 3i11 and Section... Section 13 exemption

of authority of taxatfon. It#s. liaes 18 through 31 on page 19 of, as I understand, the amended version of the Bill.' Speaker Gforgi: fYr. Letnenwebery wefll get back to your ruling/f Leinenweber: 'okay.'ï

$$ Speaker Giorgi: ''Representatfve .Tottea on Senate Bill 1060. Totten: 'Vell, thahk youy Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Iy too, rise in opposition to Senate 3111 1060. 0ne of the things that I have noticed in my teaure in the Illinois Gen- eral Assembly has been that thfs Assembly bas moved cautfously on new programs and has looked for the experlences of other states whea venturing into new fields. We have experieace' in the subject of rate-setting from other states that ue sbould carefully review

before we embark on such a proposal as ls embodied fn this Bi11. And 1et me cite what those figures are. The U.S. average for hos- pital costs increased expendftures per case has been 13.5 percent. The five states that have rate review or rate regulatlon as thfs

Bill would impose are New Jersey, Connecticut, Haryland, Rhode Island aad Massachusetts. Theke experience has been a11 greater

than the natlonal average. Ne< Jersey rates have increased 13. 8 Percent. Connecticut 14.5. Maryland 13.8. Rhode Island 15.4. And Massachusetts 15.4. Those are tbe five states that have rate control measures and every one of tbem has increased their costs for hospital care greater than the natfonal average. Now are we purported to be looking out for the cons4lm-t when we pass legisla- tfon lfke thisî History has indlcated that in those states'that have embarked on these proposals, history indicates that that eost control is not there and that the cost per pacient goes up. The history of regulation throughout this state and the natioa is that G E N E R A L A S S' E 51 B L Y 6-15-78 STATE QF IQLINIIS NQtJSR QF fIEPRESENTATIVES 1

: 54. the monopoly that it creates generally creates hig%er costs. In

' . no area'probably of concernt greater to mere Americans 'than ln the ' j great health care system thàt ve have in this' country ar@ wq con- Ii cerned about the cost of thpt careq yet we are not going to reduce t or even control the cost of care if hïstory of the other states is to prevail if we enact Sènate Bill 1060. Yet every hospital associjtion or pretty close to every hospftal and the hospitat association fn this state k4ve been supporters of this Amendment. As the Representative from Cook indicated earller, these vested interests have come together so that their... they may be beneffted most'from enactment of Senate Bill 1060. Well, 1et me submit to the Members of this General Assembly that hell hath no fury like a vested interest parading as a moral principle and that's pre- cisely what we have in Lhe case of the health care and regulation of costs under Senate Bï11 1060. This legislation would increase the cost of bea1th care. It would provide less health care. It would provide more fnefficient health care and this Bill should be resoundingly defeated.''

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. xm -'w ' ,. ... .e<). G E N E R A L A' S S E 51 B L Y 6-15- 78 ' . w '#. .o !t . i , . %? ?. h V' . .!,: .gf v ,+ a/, l yjo usslT o A .F'r' Ep #o:e n tsus up 1: Nlq oT A1 s.r I v u s .. h . p 'x &o. aflv. %%%. ' 5 5 '. 'YY speaker Giorgi) ''Representatlée Fullen on Senate B111 1060.''

' ' ' Pttllen: 'Yr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemea of 'thez Houà'e , - tt' fs vtrtzd' -z.';' ' ' ' i

that hospital costs have been rising and I say costs meanfng 'cost.s . .

The reason that rates bave been rfsfng fs that costs have been ' . -''- ' . rising. Malpractice insurance premf ums I don't need to tell you ' ''''

about. Hospitals are labor ïntensive, they are bighly energy fn- tensive. Itîs not the kiad'of place w%ere you can shut dovn the

air condftfoner so many hours of the day to conserve. Peoplefs lives and health are at stake and people are the ones who will

suffer if this Bill is passed. If there is a probtem,'then mayhe we abould address the causes. for that problemy not put an artifi- cial tourniquet on ft. Theré was a baby born near Elmhurst Co1- lege recently, prematurely and stuffed into a trash can and that baby has been transported to tutheran General Hospital fn Park Ridge and ; think probably a ,lot of Legislators on this floor have

' heard about that baby. She has raised a great deal of intetest

in the people in the metropolitan Chicago area. Let me tell you

a little :it about her stay at Lutheraa General. She is still

there. Her name ls Sarah goe. Sarah's stay at Lutheran General has raised the questfons of rising health care costs and how much to spend to save a life - new or old. She wfll need to stay in

a high-risk nursery for tvo to four months. The average charges per day ranges,erange from three hundred eighty to four hundred thirty dollars. And she wf11 have a length of stay of about a

bundred days. Itdll be about forty thousand dollars. The thing .

about Sarah Doe is she doesn't have pareats that ve can find. Eer mother abandoped her. Tbey have made many efforts to ffnd the mother and have not succeeded. Who is gofng to pay the forty thou-

sand dollars? Well, she is a ward of the state. Thereforey she ' ' i s tbe state ! s responsibllfty. 3ut the state pays Lutheran Gen- eral a hundred eighty-six dollars and tbirty-eight cents for every i . I day sheîs theres not four hundred dollars. In fact ff she stays I , t ' there that hundred days, the state will pay Lutheran General eigh- i ' I teen thousand: six hundred, thirty-eight dollars. That leaves a Ij I bal ! ance of rventy-one thousand, three hundred, sfxty-two dollars. I

Whereês that going to come from? We use the phrase - write-off. . ' s. '-;* ;4-. . . .. ).q G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y ' - r .A V&. c . . . 6 .. 15 - 7 8 I 1: 'a. j'sj-.k - l 1 STATC o .. tuut-ots ' r A ' :. . . 14'f ti v * ./ yj o u s e o F a g: e n r s E yj T A*r lv q $ NyxueY 5 6. Well, there fs no reél vrfte-off because the cost must be made up

.soaewhere else. The cost wi11 be made up by other patients-and'' z' - 1>m sure those other patients are glad to do a small part to save that fragile little lffe. Mow what happens if the hospital has to go quaking, cravling on its knees to a Commerce Commdssion type of board set up by tbe State of Illinois to beg anytime that they have a cost tbat they must fwrite offf. This Bill promises tbe state will pay a bundred percent of Sarah Doe's charges. Thatls really nfce. We also pronise a particular level of funding for schools in this state and we. are still talking about trying to ffnd money to fully fund the'scbool formula. The State of Illfnois wfll pay only so much of the medicaid as we can afford. Who are we kidding? It is incredible to me that the Hospital Association is so naive as to think they can buy a hundred percent medicaid Teimbursement by merely gfvfng up their freedom and by giving up quality hea1th care in Illinofs. 1 spoke with the Meabers of t*e 3oard of Directors of West Lake Community Hospital. in Melrose Park outside thfs rotunda door a couple of weeks ago on thfs issue and they were begging me to suppott this Bill because theylre afrafd of Washiagton. Well, in Nashlngton the Bfll that theyfre so afraid of came out of Subcommn'ttee by one vote, fs stïll ia the regular... in the full Committee and has not budged for a year. And some of the Members of that Board had not even written to their Congress- man, but they come beggfng me to put bandcuffs on t:em. It night interest you to knov that although the Administrator was frothfag at the mouth to have me Note foI this Bi11, more than half the Board Members who were there were agreeing with me. And they were sayingy 'We don't want tbat regulatlon. We dongt care what the Eospital Association says. The Adminfstrator is speaking for them, but we agree wlth you. We do not want to see thfs Bill pass.' So if youtve heard from your local hospitals, maybe you should cbeck witb a11 the Board Members and see whether they agree with the Ad- ministrator wbo was contacted by' the I.H.A. 1 yd like to know hov many of you have heard from any bealth care consumers. From the people who wi11 be in the beds, who will have the dust flying about them catrying germs because they've had to cut costs to cuL GEN ERA L ASSEM BLY 6-15-78 gr A T' E O F l u k. 1 R 1 I S H o KJ s R o F F? E P FR E % E N T A T t V ES ! j '

corners. There are some tiings that we simply cannot require a - rollback on and 'quality heaith care is one of tbose. Thfak aböut

the sacrifice we vill be making for a political pofnt. Well, I@m not afraid to tell the people in my district why I support quallty hea1th care over sham, politxfcal proposals to reduce the quality of health care tn the guise of holding down rates. Eates cannot be held down Wfthout bolding down costs and that's something that ve haven't been doing very mpch about. 1 urge your opposftion to thïs Bi11. Tbank you.l' Speaker Giorgi: MRepresentative Chapman on Senate Bill 1060/9 Chapman: 'Mr. Speakery Ifd like to see if I can't respond to some of

the coafuston that apparentty èxists in regard to this good Bi11. Tbere seems to be some misunderstandïng not only about the nature of the Bill but of the nature of hospital care. The statement has been made here that every single special interest supports

thfs Bi11. That is not true. In our Comnlttees the proprietary bospttals came to speak out ag/inst the Bfll and 1 think tbat it may well be that some of the opposition that we have beard to thfs Bill when there were some who tried to love it' to death in the amending process and in the remarks today tbat have been lfstenfng to proprletary hospitals tbac ake fearful of vhat is going to bap- pen to them if they are compelled to justify thefr rate increases. Another statement was made and that is that this Bf11 will put I hospitals in the position where tbey do nOt have to compete. There is no competftion now among hospitals. You go to the hospital where your doctor is on tbe staff. When you need :ospital care y

you do not shop around for the hospital tbat bas tbe best rate. Is there any kind of lfd ,on hospital costs now? The statement l was made tbat this would give hospitals a reason to increase costs. They don't need any in... reason/ Hospitals are free to increase

costs nov and fncrease rates and charges now. As a matter of fact, one of the problems Eas been that hospftals ate able to be pafd on the basfs of costs plusvso they have absolutely no reason to try to be .economical. To atever they can show has cost them, they l can charge t:e tiird party payers. What this Bill requires is a prospective system. Thfs will be a system where charges are set GEN ER AL ASSEM BLY 6-15-78 S T A T 52 <> F I k. t.l hl o 1 S. HQUSZ QF REPRESKNVAYIVES 5 A . v before, rather than after and fs one of the merits in this 3il1 tbat ' ' have provided a lot of. the'àase for the support of the proposal.

. w The statement has also been made that those states t:at have rate

reviev that have cost containment have not shown success witb it. I would disagree with thls statement. The figure tbat I havesbe- fore me relàtes to the Statq.of Maryland where the rate of increase in Maryland which has a Review Board %as dropped for 14.6 percent fn 1975 to 9.7 percent fn 1977. Let's talk for lust one moment about what the consumers say. The coasumers believes eighty per- cent of them, more than eighty percent believe that they could be able to get, they should be able to get the same qualfty of hospi- ta1 care at a lower prfce. More than seventy percent of the 1ay public says that recent fncrqases in hospital bills have not been Justiffed by an equivalent rise ïn the quality of care. It has

been the skyrocketing rise fn hospital costs, rwice that of fnfla- tioa generally that has caused many of us to say that something

needs to be done. Something must be done. Tfd like to 1et you know what the President's view is. He sald, can find page

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Speaker Giorgit ''Representative Kempiners on. . J'

Chapman: ''I'm not... I'm not ffnisheds Mr. Gforgf. 1 just got my Paper.-.f1

Speaker Giorgi: ''Please bring your remazks to a close, Mrs. Chapman. Youfve got a ninute left/' Chapmanl HOur country's health care Bfll whicb now consumes 9 percent of our C.N.P. has escaped our control. 0ur health expenditures 1

are lncreasfng by fifteen percent every year. In flve years we

will spend tvièe the current a hundred and sfxty billion. For more tban tventy years rising bospital'costs which account for forty eents of every health care dollars bas far outstripped the ia-

crease in our cost of living. .our people cannot continue to bear the burden of héspital costs that are growing at twc hundred fifty percent of the rate of lnflation. That is why I am supporting this Bi11. Things cannot get worse. Thfs is a good Bill that can help us deal witb this problem. I ask you to vote fyesd/' Speaker Giorgi: l'Senator... I means Representative Kempiners on Senate

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59 . Bf1l 1060.'f ' ' ; -' Kemplners). qThànk you'j Mr. 'Speaker. 'You know there are times when' I wish .1 were an' fdeologueAthat I applied my tdeologr to legfsla- tfon and voted automatically according to that ideology because it would make life a 1bt easier. Ideologically I agree vith tbose

wbo bave spoken against this Bill. 1 don't llke 1t. I consider myself a conservative. Tvo years ago I fought vith every bone 1h ; my body against a rate review Bi11. There's several things that have happened in the past two years that make me think that tbis may not be the solutlon to the problem, but it's a proposal that

we ougbt to try. Let me share with you wbat has happened. Others

have pointed out the increase' in hospital and health care costs. l Well, the fnflatioa rate in healt: care costs across the board ls fifteen percent per year. Last year 1 attended a medfcaid eon- ference ia Denvet, Colorado where the aspect of nursing home costs #as considered and talked about as well as costs retated zeiaburse- ment. A bureaucrat from Washfngton, D.C. was there to dfscuss with us what was going to happen and three times I asked that Gentleman if Illinois nursing homes don't like what veêre paying

them, can they use H.E.W. as an Appellate'court and can H.E.W. come back and tell Illinoisy you have to pay a bigher rate? Tvo tfmes

he avofded answering my questïon. On the third time he said, RYes,

If fifty percent of the homes aren't gettlng thefr justified rate,

E.2.%. will tell you to pay more money in your progrgms. ' Those of you on the Appropriattons Comma-ttee reme=ber last year we had a suppleaental appropriation resulting froa a suit filed against

the State of Illfnots by tbe lklinois Hospital Association. Tbe amount of that suit basfcally waà... it was a settlexent and we had to appropriate an additional thirty-three million dollars be- cause we were not follovtng H.E.W. regulations wfth regard to the rates ve were payïng. Now ff you waat the Federal Coverament to come in here and tell you youdre 'not paying higher rates, you've go to be out of your mind. Tbe only vay I can find that the State of Illfnois would be able to win in a court suit is to come fa and say that the rates wefre paying are justified and tbis is why theg're J ustiffed. We have looked into the costs: these are the costs. G EN ER AL A SSEM BLY 6-15-78 ST A T E O F l LL I N f3 l S H O kp s K 1 F R K@ R ES f H N' AV l V ES 60. Therefore, tbese are the rates that ought to be paid. Agafn, ideologicallyrr donlt like thls type of a- setupynbut. I'm a prac- . 1 tical person. If you look at the analysis sheet at least on the . ' . R j epublican side of the aisle' , you'll find that the third party . , t payers - Blue Cross - Btue Shield and the prfvate insurance com- : 1 panies -care supporting this measure. Thatfs the private sector. .1 ' k Why are they supporting ft? Because they cannot predict from year I ! to year what hospital tcosts are going to be. They do not know how I to evaluate what to. chargev'the consumer because the inflation rate E . I is so highfin tbis area. Xow theylre not saying that this is nec- E essarily the solution to the problem , , 1 , but they re saying, we ve I got to have some vay of knowing and kf nothing else, this w'ill pro- I vpy. -' L . ;.,/ 'I vide those 2...-;.cc. ' party payers with aa indication of what tbe rates , are going to be from t%e coal ng year. Now that's the private sec- I tor wbo %as to pay the bills and go out and sell fnsurance saying 'j welve got to have syme way to' justify what we charge and what wefre jt

payfng. They want to put a halt to this spiralling inflatioa. You 1 k j' now, we have a1l kinds of ageacies in bot: the state and federal levels to evaluate the quality add the necessfty of care chat we i ' ' k as the... as representatfves'in governmect are paying for through h medicafd. There are P.S.R.O.CS, the Department of Public Aïd eval- I : -. uates servfces that are provlded but there ls no state agency tbat . : looks into the jastification of the costs that webre paying for. ! Ve are autooattcally as long Tas tbe need is justified for treat- iI ' ment, we are automatically paying a bill without'questionfng whether Ij ; or not that cost and that bill is Justffied or not. And I kind of I ' i question that type of automatï. c paynent without at least looking I into what goes into tbat cost. This Bill before us is a compromise I I Bitl. Itfs been worked on fo/ tvo yearà. Four out of the ffve . I voting Members of this Bill are cons umers. Only one voting Meaber I represents the hospitals and I donft know why people would be a- i

gafnst this Bill on that particular basls. Aad politicalty, 1 l 1. I recently sent out a questionnaire in the Wi11 County portion of . i my district and I vas interested in how my constituents felt on i this partfcular issue. And I 'asked the questfon, would they sup- port it? And the answers camé back: yes. i majority of the people

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6 1 . responding to that question saidy yes , they did f eel that thïs Program was necessary . ' And. '1.1 d J'tfs t ltlièu to - jofhf'brut;' a'*.t:.' . 'in conclusion that j.f you look at the 3il1,' we 've' 'h'eard a 1ot about

sunset legislatfon. There is a sunset provisiod'' in this Bi'1l. It automatically expires in 1982 vhich means t'hat thè Geheral Asseobly vould be able, would have to ff this ls tè continuey would have to

pass implementfng legislation. And one final thought. There is a specfat fund created tha t thfs General Asseubly will bave over- sight over. We vfll be makiùg the appropriations for this board

so that if you have any questions about its effectivenessy every tfue the appropriation falls due, you can staad up and raise those quest i ons. I n conclusfon again, if I were an ideologuq votfng

on this Bill would be very easy. I've done a 1ot of soul searching.

I don't like the pbilosophy b'ehfnd this Bi11, buf I also don't like year after year after year voting blindly on approprfatlons for medi-

ca1 cake, wondering, am I doing the right thlng? So as a result, I decided that I wfll support this Bi11 and I would ask those of you on thfs sïde of the aisle 'to do so also.'' : Speaker Giorgi: l'Representative Yaylor on Senate Bill 1060/' Taylor: 'Yr. Speaker, I move the previous questlon/' Speaker.Giorgf) l'The Gentlemnn has moved the previous question. The

questlon is, sball the mafn question now be put? A11 in favor. signify by saying 'aye' $ opposed 'nay'. Tbe 'ayes, have it. Rep-

resentative Tfpsword to close. Frlor to hïs closings I'd like to

read the rule tbat Qepresentative Leinenweber asked about. 'Sec- tion 13 of the Bfll as amended by House Amendment /39 contains the exemption provision generally exempting the Authority from taxes

by units of local government.' Although that.language is general l enough to include home rule uniEs, it does not specifically do so. In light of the Chair's prior riling on specificity in home rule preemptions. and consistent with legislation passed by tbis House 1 requiring specificity in preempting Bills, the Chaïr wfll not read home rule pree=ptton into the language whlch itself is not spedi- fic and it will require 89 votes. Yes, Mr. Leinenweber/' Leinenweber: 'Nr. Speaker, 1'm not going to appeal your rulings but I would dissent to it and I would ask leave to supplement that in .v'-T 'Q ' 't' '. -,'', G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6-15-78 r i' . ?&% y, ? t * ' . . ( .9x :A . ) s r .. ':' s: o ,- 1 u u I .4 o. ' s t .t. . .. . 5S e . Hous 6 o F' Fe EeR tse NJATI v rs 'u (; a , evv .. ..

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Speaker Giorgf: rI Representative TipsWord to . yyoéè ...aypyésenta'tikè

'' ' LeV1n oa a Aoint af personal privilege/' -

. Levin: 'Xix. Speaker- -'' Speaker Giorgi: 'Nas your name'rentioned in debate7''. Levin) 'No, but t have had my light on sinee ve started the debate àad 1 have yet to be called oqe'' Speaker Giorgi : 'Nr. Levin, there were f orty lights on besides yours l ahead of you. 'rhey were all' cut of f also. Representative Tipsword to close .'

I . Tfpsword: 'Yr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, 1 would

be tbe fi/st to adm4t tbat perhaps this isn't the perfect Bi11. ' And I would also admit, well with Representative Kemptners, 1 jm sure almost everybody on the tloor of this House that none of us like the prospect of a rate making situatlon or another bureaucracy

as it has been denominated. 3ut nevertbeless, I think thts ls the only alternative tbat we have and we have a serious problem tbat

has to be met. We have to xeet tbe cost of public aid in tbis state. We have to do aomething to try to get a handle upon tbe cost of health care in this state. Therels... it bas been said that in some of the other areas where we bave bad these kindlof Authorities

in other states, they have not brought the costs down. Well, ac- tually in Maryland it bas come bown. From almost 15 perceat to 9 percent annually now. I voulé like to point ou q however, tbat

there is some very basfc dfstinctions. Thfs is not a copy of any

of the other Authorlties in any other state. The other states do not require that a11 of the t:ird party health care provfders must

partfcipate for tbls to become a'reality. Aad fn fact, for this to beeome a reality and to reall# do the job. a11 of the third party payers have to be in because it is tbe govevnmental third party payers prfmarily tbat are causing iucreases other than usual oper- ating costs and tbe increasfng costs of labor. 3ut thereîs a very gteat amount of increase eaused by governmental entities and t:e manner in which they pay their bills. So it is necessary that we :ave the federal entities, the federal agencies in on this as well

as the State of lllinofs. Someone else said in debate that we . .. ' .' V-WQ) . x ' ' .A G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6-15-78 ' , W.1!77 ! h ) * xr $. .. + '1Q4;# * 1 l aogs*F' K o&r-7 tR: eG:'PF'/ h/kSk-El?e:I TQ> A1*'rlves . Q 26O ? . 63 . haven't done anything towards the costs of health care in trying

1' u .. ' to get a. handle on it . .Ne11, I may tell you tizat thls is ouzz f irst . '. . ' ... 1 ' ' (: 1.I tfme to try to get a handle on a part of those health care costs. j And that is in this basis strictly. The Department of Public Aïd 1 has not had predetermfned rates. Aad so consequently as I men- 1 t f osed b ef ore wben those bllls come in , there ls a wrangling over a loag peri od of time as to whether they are proper. Thea even- tually they pay less than the actual cost to the hospital. And i I i I t:e hospital in the. same time is fncurrïng additional costs be- I cause they are vaiting on their money. The same thing happens with :I I . the federal end of this thing. We 'are causing a 1ot of the in- 't i creased costs that hospitals have; not a11 of themq but certainly l , I a great part of it. And this is an effort on the part of the State i I ' of Illinois to cure that. And I want to salute the Illfnois De- j partment of Publfc Afd and th' e Illinois Department of Public Health t ' j for their participation fn this along with the Bureau of the Bud- I

get in supporting this legfsiation, in vorkfng out this compromise jI ' I - lezislation so that they eau.have predetermiaed rates so that they j can move their part of thls operation much more rapidly than has j' been true in Ahe past and can remove themselves as a cost inflating .I I factor in îea1th care costs in the State of Illinois. And I appre- 1 ciate those Departments and their Directors and the Governor of j' ' j this state in getting behind this compromise legislatfon in trying l to do wh at the state can do t'o remove the state as one of the con- I tributing cost factors in health oare. It is absolutely essential . 1 that we do something and I think this is the one something that : most people have been able to.agree on. I hope that ft worké and I thiak it will work. 1 think the experience tn Maryland where they do not have as good a Bi11 as this is now workfng. And the fact that this Legislature is gotng to have the oversight over the i ' I appropriations even though they are not tax funds, but funds that I

. must be contributed by the very agencies that are being controlled. t And the fact' that we have fou: absolute consumers out of the five

votfng Members upon this Authority ' gives protectfon to the con- .. I sumers and certainly I think along with the Legislature ean assure l with the good actions of the Governor can fnsure that this Authority e- . . ;2 k)-. w.' '' ke. . . ' 'i1P th G E N E R A L A S. S E M B L Y 6-15-78 . o i. -5. : 'r..t .-. v, xv s o s j uu j x o j s . i * . . -A: . .. . >,:) . s 1. w .,'?# J J a o kl 5 F o F a E *1 R E $ F N T #. . oso . t.s.v .. 6) a 61 : T ! V E: S ' i ) 64. i ïs going to do 1ts job, will do ft tlmelyy will do it reasonably - and wfll do everything they possibly can to see that hea1th care '

. . eosts do have an opporiunity to elioinate the vaste. I urge your .

.. . support Of Senate Bill 1060/'

Speaker Giorgi: ''The question is, shall Senate Bill 1060 pass? A11 those in favor will sfgnffy by voting 'aye' and tbose opposed by

votfng 'aol. And Representative Levin to exptain his vote. Iîm I sorrr about the othero'f I j 1 Levia; Yr. Speaker, a year ago I voted for House 3i11 2339. Then I started looking into wkat thht 3il1 and this Bill do. And along with the consuner groups tbat Itve been involved in, we found that this was a concoction of the Illinois Hospital Association fn order to guarantee the hospitals tbat lthey're gofng to get reimbursed at

the full rates that they think they sbould be getting. This Ieg-

. islation is crammed full of loopholes. It invites cooptation by

the very hospitals it's supposed to regulate. We are guaranteeing a ttustee on the boarda we aré setting only sixty days in which the Authority has to review rates. There is no coordination that's

guaranteed with a11 the variou's other planning bodies. The studies : that have been done have suggested that hospftal rate review as

Representatixe lotten suggested has aot worked in other states, it has not lowered rates. The studfes that have been done sug- gest there are other alternatives. I bave been fnvolved ia the area of Blue Cross and there ls currently an order before the De- partment of Insurance to have Blue Cross do prospective rate re-

view. 1... if thïs Bfll fs defeated, we can go that route. The studies across the country suggist that it is a more flexible and a more effective way of doing it. 1$m concerned about the cost ' of bealtb care. I've been involved in it and 1 think this Bfll wi11 be a disaster. I urge its 'defeat.'' Speaker Giorgi: HRepresentative Deuster to explaïn your vote for one

'' minute please. . aepresentative Deuster: one minute please. Deuster: 'Yes. The question if you analyze this Bi11 is will it work to solve the problem? If this bureaucracr gets tough and does not approve and does deny rate increases, a11 you're going to have is ' cheap medfcal care. Youêre going to have dirty hospitals. How .,,. ;k '-... . l ' 4'. G E N E R A L A S S' E M B L Y 6-15- 78 ( 2? . -'%. il?j.p - 'e L . . : l sm w.r s o p. l u u ,s = t s h :. ïlw-.j;)4i.i- / i souse oe .ke:p,Resssvax.'vs, x ja sx s t . , 1 E i1 ' 65 . are you going to pay t*e janitors if they need a wage increase? . ' . ' ' ' ' ' '' :..7 '. . '' :. =And' so the result 'is ' if it' s a weak board , there ' s gofng to be

' . . no effect at all. If it's a tough 'board, the people who want

.. . quality health care are not goiag to have it. As I say, youlre

. göing to have dirty hospitais and poor care.. I might a say a few years ago we passed a Bfll that would not even 1et you and your

community build a hospital unless tbe bureaucrats approved. In my area of Barriagton, Lake quric: and Wauconda they wanted to

build a countryside hospital and what did I have? I had the F. '

Libertyville Rospftal come in and say, 'No, we don't want a hos-

pftal over there. They can 'come td our hospital. f Well: my people ' in the southwest part of the county didn't want to drive a11 the way over to Libertyvflle and fortunately, the bureaucracy after much, much pressure approved that hospital. Thatfs a prefect ex- ample of vhat bureaucracies w111 produce. Theybll deny you medï- ca1 services and bring aboutbjust the contrary result. I would urge 'no' votes and I think khat this Bfll should be properly ' suriedv'' . Speaker Giorgé: NRepresentative 'Skfnner to explain his vote on Senate . :i11 1060.!' Skinner: HSeveral years ago I voted for the Bill t:at the prior Rep- resentative talked about and l've had second thoughts about it ever since. The Federal Government fs attempting to solve a prob-

1em which is a real problem apd that's rïsing medical costs. But the Federyl Government is not smart enough to use the federal sys- : tem creatively. They mandate'the snmm solutfon to every state in

the country. Now maybe certfficate of need 'legfslatfon will work. Maybe it *ï1l... maybe we can hold down the cost of hospital beds 1 or the cost of hospital service by limiting the numher of hospi- ta1 beds. But we y re never going to kna' v whether that ys correct

or not because every state is 'going to have the same system. It seems to me that if the Federal Government has another system like certificate of need that they think mtght work, letgs let them

.take the heat j ust fn case it doesn't work.'' Speaker Giorgi: ''Have a11 voted who wished? Representative Tipsword ' to explain his vote.'' .

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Tipsword: HLadfes and Gentlemqbn, 1 urge you to consider carefully on

. -.-q. .this Bi11.' This-is theronly.opportunity.we have.to try to remove i . ' ! ! . the state from being a very' Aigb contributing factor to hea1th care j ' copts in tbe State ,of Illinofs. It's the only opportunltg'we have' Ij ' . I to give the hospltals some directfon and to remove them from the 1 . i temptation and the actual nécessity of movfng over t*e patt of the $I costs that are not pafd for by third party providers and especially by governmental tbird party providers to the bflls of tqe individual patients who go' into those hospitals. You are going to know, 'your ' neighbors are goiag to know w%at tbe cost of your hospftal wi11 be

for various services before you go fnto that hospital. This is not somethfng that hospitals Wanted to enter into and to agree to l Th . 1 ere ts notking right now tha' t controls hospitals in any way in 1 what they charge. Rospitals are certaialy aot in competftion ' ' . j Hospitals are not in competitdion until they a11 provide exactly jI i tbe same services ' j . Our Health Facilities Planning Board does not t permit them a11 to have a11 o! the same ser7fces. They have al1 of tbe basic same sereices, byt aot eaoh and every one of the ser- vfces that are then added onto everybody's hospftal bfll that goes 1 i in there for a11 who have a scanner or for a11 vho have the various 1 up-to-date: technical machines' tbat are not required by a11 of the range of tbe public that may go ïnto that hospital. The Hea1th Facilitfes Planning Board even though in some areas I'm sure there's been inequity, has been trying to cut back upon that cost upon in- dividual patiènts. This fs t:e effort now to take the state agencïes 1

and the paymeut of their bills out from under thfs opportunïty. . . this kind of a situatfon that we have now wbere they contribute

to the increase in health care costs fn the State of Illinois. And our Bi11, like no other in any of the other states, requires that for it to go into effecty the Fèderal Covernmental agencïes must also come ia and pay upon this Mame basis so that their unpaid costs

are not transferred to the individual patients tn that hospftal. ' This is really and truly and consumer 3i11 and we have control over this Authority. Thefr appropriatfons are to be examined by this General Assembly every year. Thpir inaction is to be exnml'ned by t the Governor and reported to the General Assembly. I suggest that =m-A(wx 2 . ' ' - . ' !. G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Y 6-15-78 it -. '&h. - ,.4 ?4- kl svwv.s os ,uu.s ' ! z . ' s. >. W' . ) o's - t . 'u .I . k. . .l >tq- sovs?oe aaealssumx-rIvxs X. L' . z * !q 1 xv . ' 67 . we have every proteetion we could possibly have. I appreciate the votes .that are on the board.''.'.l hope we can pass this and you 'as a General. Assembly not only .wi11 have the opportunity to reviev them every year in Appropriatfonsy but. you will be requfred to revfew them in fouF years.'' Speaker Giorgi: HRepresentative teinenwebery for what reason do you rise?'î

teinenweber: HWe11, Mr. Speaker, if tbese votes stay up there, there's an awful tot of empiy cbairs and I wï11 ask for a verffication at the appropriate time.ê'

- Speaker Giorgi: HAII right. Representative Mcclain, would you like to explaia your vote?''

Mcclain: yl Yesy Mr. Speaker, if I may real' quickly. I I d like to make '

a few points if I may. They're sort of cosmon sense reasons. One is that the Federal Governmeht is going to pass somethfng this year to require some sort of rate review. A11 of the measures have some sort of option if tbe state has a rate revfew. So my second

point is it's sort of a Harry Truman quote. You k no * , .1:'s .-..th e r te review concept fs sort of a son of a buck, but at least it ' s our son of a buck. And it # 11 be sometbing that we can look at and re- . g vfew and nake sure that theylre more in touch with our state Hos-

pital Association, our state rates rather than letting the Hea1th,

Education and Welfare dé. it.. You know, tbat's the same group that recommonded that father-son and father-daughter banquets were dis- ctiminatory, were illejal. So don't 1et H.E.W. do it, 1et our son of a buck do it/'

Speaker Giorgf: ''Have a11 voted kho wished? Take the record, Mr. Clerk, 0n this questionvtkere ate 107 tayes' and 52 'nayes'. 106 'ayes', 52 'nays' and 7 voting fpresent'. And RepresentatiNe Leinenweber's

asked for a verffication. One moment, one moment. Mr. Tfpsword requests a poll of the absentees. Representative McBroom, for what reason do you rise? Represent#tive McBroom.' McBroom: 'Yay I have leave to be verifted, Mr. Speaker?l' Speaker Giorgï: HDoes the centlemaa have leave to be verified? Hearing no oblection, you're verffied. How many is that. Mr. Clerk? Poll ' the absentees. Representative Bowman, for what reason do you rise?'l ' . *T N 5 '' ' ZLIE ' .. ., . . ( Fi? zR.sx?>p. ,w A'a. h, G E N E sR-r Am sL o e IAu uj, xso Els M B L v 6-15-78 . x .+ ; .. . ; 7zp .' ao tlse o e' a te aeseN 'r A.'r 1 vEs .. ' ,q.lq .,. h..t( c). zk;vq v b ô . s, . Bowman : ''G ange me f rom $ no ' to 1 aye f . '' .

' . speaker Giorgi ; ''c'llanée''Rep'tfééerïtat.i/è Boklfuirf-lf rom 'ldô #: to' f'aye '.':' '

That's 107. Contin'ue, Mr. dclerke' Excuse me, Mr. Clerk'. Mr. Getty, for what reason do y'pu rise?'' ' ' '' ' .. i I Getty: ''I'd like to have leave to be veriffed/' ' ' i

' . Speaker Giorgi; f'Does the Gentleman have leave to be verfffed. Rep- l I resentative Getty. Cetty#s'approved. Representative Pierce the I ' , 1 same request? Just a moment. Xepresentatfve Hart, for Nhat rea- 1j j' son do you rise?' . 1 I Hart: ', I !. d like to advtse the Gentlemen who are befng verified on our 1 I I side of the aisle thac wefre... are going to have a Democratlc i I caucus at the conclusion of thls 3i11. So if you have someplace I1 1: i to go, we'd like you to come back because we're going to meet for i I about thirty miautes in Room fll: just as soon as we finisb the con- i i sideration of this measure/' i ' 1 Speaker Giorgf: f'In other words j , tb*re's announcement for a Democratic I caucus at the conclusfon of this verification. Representatïve I i Domfco 1 , for what reason do you rise? Representative Doaico would 1 I . would like to be verified, leàve to be verified. Ko objectïons. i Representatfve Mahar i y for vbat reason do you rlse?'' 1 . i Mahar: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Therelll be a Republican caucus ïn i 1 Room 1l8 ismediately after this veriffcatfon/f I I Speaker Giorgi: ''So theretll be a Demoeratic and a Republlcan caucus I I lmaediately upon tbis verification's completion. Representative 1I I Roffmnn, for what reasou do you rise: Euff. Representative Xuff l . i Representatfve Huff/f 1I 1 Euff: HChange me from 'no' to 'aye' Speaker/' i ' , 1 Speaker Giorgi: ''Ch ( ange Representative Huff from 'no' to 'aye'. Huff 1 I from 'no% to 'aye'. Representative Luft for wîat reason do you 1 , I rise? '$ ' i1 t Luft: 'Nould you change me from 'present'. to 'ayet please?'' I I Speaker Giorgft HChange Representat' ive Luft from 'present' to 'aye' 1I ' j 'present' to 'aye'. Representative Leinenweber, for what reason I t do you rise?'' ' i 1 . i Leinenweber: '1$11 ùithdrav the request for the verification.'' '

Speaker Giorgf: HWithdraws request... the verffication request has

. . ' L'r:*y w.' . . . . ., . r G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Y 6-15-78 F '%V&. V i I . .,-g f c j ï s .r A v s o s l u u Is' o l s . ' : -. ..A !' .. . 'h1.+sl sousr oe Ive:ey'sssp4vA.v,ves ' 69 ! â' been withdrawn. 0n this issue how many 'ayes' are tberey Mr.

' . - .clerk? 'fhere arç. 109 'ayes' ; 50 'nays? # '' .'7. .votin'g .1 present.l'. . Add' -' ' '. '' Mr. Waddell to an 'aye' vote. And this issue having' received the ' Constitutional Malority is hereby declared passed. Mr. Rart, for . vbat reason do you rfse?î' . . . Hart: 'lAgain, Mr. Speaker, I want to emphasfze the fmportance of this caucus to a1t the Me=bers on our side of the aisle. It affects

every one of you who are going... running for reelection and I'd , lïke to have a11 of you come right on down to Room 11% so we can get started. We're going to caucus for about thirty minutes/' Speaker Giorgi: ''The Cbair annoùnces two caucuses. 0ne for the qe= publicans and one for the Depocrats for the next thfrty minutqs. What room do you bave?' Rart: ''We have 114.'' ' Speaker Giorgl: '114 for the Deàocrats. 118 for the Republicans. Ne'll recess for a half hour.''

Doorkeeper: '9Al1 persons not entftled to the Eouse floor , plea e retire to the galleryul' Speaker Redmond: HMessages from the Senate.''

Clerk o'Brfen: 'A message from the Senate by Mr. Wrfght. Secre ary. Mr. Speaker, I ap directed to inform tîe House of Rep- resentatives that the Senate has adopted the following Senate Joint Resolutfons of vhïch I am fnstructed to ask eoncurrence of the House of Representatfves to-wft: Sen te Joiat Resolution /98 aad 99, adopted by the Senate June 15, 1978. Keaaeth Wrigbt, Seeretary.'' Speaker Redmond: HThere fs a' message from the Secretary of State, one of the Members cars is ia the trash disposal unit down there and they are about ready to squash and

put 1t in that big contalner. Who's car is it, Mr. Cler ?'' '' Clerk O'Brïen : ''Representative Jane Barnes. Speaker Redmond: 'lYou beEEer go and Tescue your car, it is in a very precarious placr. Tom says, in the back. Garbag dispbsal.l'

'' Clerk olBrien : nBy the Stratton Building.

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I ' I . . , yc $ speaker aedmond: ''They are goiag to coopress it , three or feur L *7 ' 1 ' l 4'# N t : ' vays. It vi11 be compact, they are gofpg to make ' . . . ' ' 1 - 1 . a compact out of it. Commlttee Reports. Representative 1 I ' Ryan , for xhat purpose do you arise?,, ' Rya:: ''l questioa of the chair, Mr. speaker.'' ! l speaker Redmond: ''Proceed '' $ - Ryan; , $ Could you give us ',sone idea of what . your progran is 'i . l foT the rest of thits week or today....'' . i. Speaker Redmond: ''Yes, wefre dfscussing that. ' Committee Report. ri g'ht now . $' ' ; '. , . Ryan :nYxu. 'r. e discussing Com'mittee Reports? What you lre going to 'tell me is that you .still don't knowy is that it:êf

I . Speaker Redmond: ,, That , s r j: gjj !: . ... Ryan: 'î5 expected that.f' : Clerk O fBrien : HRepresentatlve Chapmanj Chairman of the Committ e on Human Resources to which the following Bills were

. referr:d. Action dtaken June 14, 1978, reported tbe same back with the followipg recommendations. Do not pass as amended Senate 3il1 1822 and 1827. âepresentative ' Capparelli, Chatrman o'f t:e Committee on Executlve to

which the following Bills were referredz. . Resoluttons

. referred. àctioc taken June 14y 1978, reported tbe same back witb tîe following recommendations. Be adopted Hous Resolution 400, 403. 404, 898. House Jofnt Resolutïon

96 and 97 . Senate Joint Resolution 55. Be adopted as-

amended and House Jolnt Resolutlon 95. Representative E:M. Barness' Chairman of the Coumittee on lppropriation

11 to which the followin'g Bills were referred. Aetion taken June 15, 1978, rejorted the same back vith tbe

. following recommendatioas. Do pass as amended House 3il1 3069: 3374 and Seante Bill 1583.,.

Speaker Redmondt ''Senate Bllls, Third Reading. 0n Senate Bills Third Reading appears 1866: Representative Hoxsey is recognized.''

Hoxsey: ''Mr. speaker, Ladfes and Gentlemen of the House, SenaEe ) % G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6 - ' ' . y5.y a ' n.xkx.o z :; s v l a. x: o e , u u , s o f s ; tg : y?A,.,7'-*. uoux. oe sxepwxxsq.lvlvvx i .,.:. . . . s ; '

, 71. Bill 1866 is merely a transfer vithin tbe Department of , . . . - . . .. 'C .. . .t )j .,. ry . . u m 1 I Correctfons appropriation. A matter of necessfty to meet ! -' w : ' - k payroll obligations right away.n ' ' 1 Speaker Redmond : f'kill you read the Bi11& Mr. Clerk.'' Clerk O'Brien : 'Senate Bill 1866, a Bill for an Act to aaend Sections of Act making appropriatfons to the ordinary . 1 , . I and contingent expense of the Department of Corrections. 1 1 Third Reading of the Bi11.H I ' 1 Speaker Redmond: uAny discussion on the Bi11? The question fs j , I shall this 3i1l pass? Those in favor vote îaye', opposed jI 1 vote 'no'. Have a11 voted who uished? The Clerk will I i take the record. on tbis question there are 129 raye' i i ' ao 'nay' anb the Bill bavfng recefved the Constitutional j i i Majority is hereby declared passed. 1395...out of the I ' j record. 1455, Representative Gene Koffman...out of the . I record. 1519. Representatfve Giorgi.' ' i

Clerk o 'Brien: HSenate Bill 1519. a Bill for an lct to amend I L 1 Sectfons of an Act to promote t:e public health and comfo t I ' . j of persons employed by providing for one day of rest in i seven. Third Readfng' of the B111.yf i I Speaker Redmond: 'Representative Ciorgi.'' i ' I Cforgf: ''Mr. Speaker, this ls a Bill that the Assocfation of I 'i ; Ccmmeree of 4he State of Illfnois, the Association i i M . ! anufactors, the AFL, CI0 aad the DAW , a11 agree.d. It I I changes in the Seven Day Work Week Law 'whfch makes ft i I easier for the employer tc work his people a seventh 1 I . day and makes it easfer for the employee to work the . I aeventh day. And I urge the adoptton of this Bi11 N ' . I S Pe ake r Re dmond : 'Any d i s cu s s i on ? The q u e s t i on i s v s ha 11 thi s l 1 B111 pass? Tbose in favor vote , aye ? v 4 I a opposed vote no . j I Kave a11 voted who wfshed? Have a11 voted w%o vfshed? i . I Have a11 voted who vished? Tbe Clerk wi11 take the reco . i i ' 0n this question there are 129 'aye' and no 'nay ' and the I1 ' Bill h . 1 aving recefved the Constitutfonal Majority is hereb 1 I declared passed. 1534t..out of tbe record at the request

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. out of the record. 1565, Representative Hart...out of th 1) . . I record s 1634, Repr.e sentative Pferce...out of the record. I . ; . I 1667, Representatfve Katrx...out of the record. 1705, Ij : . I Representative Mautino. Representative Yautino, 1705.11 l Clerk o'3rien: ''Senate Bi11 1705, a Bfll for an Act to exempt ' : i from eertain occupation and use taxes transactions i involving the sale or transfer of tangible personal.,.. . personal property. Third Reading of the Bi11.N ' Speaker Redmoad: ''Representative Mautino.'' . Mautino: 'Qhank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Centlemen of the House. Tbis legislation allows the . exemptioa of the carrier to take repair items, for examples the ties used to repair railroad beds that are 'picked optside of .state and used outside of state. The exempti n under the sales tax for, to the State of Illfnois. ' It puts the statute back,as it *as fn 1953. with the enàcté t of this legislation, I think it is important to point out that they can do it nowy if in fact the carrier does not use his ovn lfne of rezope equipment. In other word , if a raflroad for examjle would bave the tïes shipped on a competlng railroad, the exemptfoa would be tbere . Wit J . . this legislation be's allowed to pick it up wit: his own carrier and bring it to the destination either withi ' or vithout the state. And I ask for your approval of ' . i 1 7 0 5 . ' ' 'i . I ' Speaker Redmond: 'Any dlscussion? Tîe question is : shall thts Ii 3i11 pass? Those in favor vote 'aye's oppcsed vote 'no'. ' Have a11 voted

0n this question there àre 124 'aye' and 6 'nof and the i' I Bill having received the Constitutional Majorfty is here y 1 declared passed. 1785, Representative Lechoviczw.oout o I I I the record for a moment.. Representative Couti desires 1 I to be recor (j ed as f no f . fd ' i

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73. Clerk o'Brien : MRepresentàtive Lechowicz in t:e Chafr '' ' ' . I Speaker Lechowicz: NSenate àill 1798, Representative Tuerk. 7he Clerk vf11 read the 8111, '1798.4' Clerk O'Brien : ''Senate B111 1798, a 3i11 for an Act to amend Secttons of the Revenue Aot. Tbird Reading of the 3i11.' Speaker Lechowicz: f'The Gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Tuerk.l' Iuerk: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, a couple of years ago we passed wbat w=s called tax increment ftnancing and that became Public Aèt 7911525. There vas an amendatory vetoy we adopted tbat and durfng the interim tbe Revenue Article was anended again without the language. There vas a ctause or two in there that was inadvertently left . out and vhat thfs Bills does is put that language back in. It is a clean up type of 3fl1', just to merely bring it back fn conformance to Public Act 79-1525. And I would ask for your fayorable vote.'' Speaker techowiczl f'lny dfscussion? The Gentlàman from Winneba oy Mr. Giorgi.'' Giorgi: nMr. Speaker. could I ask Representative Tuerk to take it out of t%e record for about five minutes. Would you respectfully take it qut for five minutesr' Tuerk) ''Sure.'' Speaker Lecbovicz: ''The Cent'leman take Senate 3i11 1798 out of the record. Senate 3i11 1847. Mr. Danïels, do you vaat to call that 3f1l? 0ut of the record. Senate Bill 1850. Representative Kucharski, do you want to call that Bill? lake it out of the record. on t*e Calendar on page 3. House Bilts, Third Reading. House Bill 2580, Representat ve Schisler, do you want to call that Bill? Take it out of the record. Rouse Bill 2739, tbe Mfnority Leader, Mr. Ryan, do you want to call that Bi11? 0ut of the record. nouse Bill 3128, Joha Dunn. 0ut of the record. Eouse Bill 3384, Representative Rfchnond. 16m sorry, Narrts. 0ut of the record. House Bill 3387, Representatfve Terz cb . Out of the record. House Bill 3392, Representative Kozub wski

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1 74. 0ut of the record. Back on the Calendar on Senate Bills, Ihird Reading, page 4. Senate Bill 1798, Representative i ' '' 'ruerk . ' j Tuerk ) 'We1l, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I tbink 1 have explained the Bill, it's merely a clean upy puttïn back the language back into the statute . I would ask for your favorable support.'f Speaker Lechowicz: HAny discussionî Tbe question is, shall.... I'm sorry. the Gentlçman from Lake, Mr. Deuster. Your ' light is flashingy Str. Any further discussion? The questioa is> shall Senate Bill 1798 pass? Al1 those in favor vote fayeî a11 opposed vote gnaj'. Frank, wfll yo get mine. Have a11 voted

take tbe record. on ' this question there are 132 'ayes', j ' resent' no 'nays' 9 2 recorded as p . This Bill having 1j received t:e Constitutional Majorlty fs hereby declared passed. Senate Bill .1667.9' Clerk o'Brien: ''Senate Bill' 1667, a Bfll for aq Act to amend

' Sections of the Park Distrfct Code. Third Readink of 'the Bi 11 . '' j speaker Lechowlcz: 'The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katz.'t Katz: ''Thfs Bill simply imptements t:e Bi'll tbat ve passed last j ' ' i j session, permitting Pàrk D str i ct to go from six year to 1' .. a four year terms of offtce. In settipg forth the j procedures of the eonversion from six to four year term, they failed to cover one eve'ntuality that applies to the City of Wiltmette. And that's wbat is covered here. ' I would urge tbe passage of the Bi11.H I ' Speaker techowtcz: 1, 1be Lady from Dupage, Mr. Dyer.,, 1I ' 1, lp Dyer: Yes, Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question? 1 . ' 1 '' . Katz: ''Absolutely .j . I ' Dyer: ''Mr. Katz, isa...wasn't an Amendment from the Senate 1 ! ' I supposed to be added to this Bill in respect to Park i1 t Dist rtct s ? '' . ' ' Ij Katz: ,, Mr. Schneider added AMendment //2, Amendment ?/2 would I

. r' wu k , G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y 6 - 15 - ; 8 . jtv tiq svav. oe juu.jxoj ; .. s . h . g . . . I &xm' .'.' L%- * Hotllt oe PXPAEKwNTATIVF* ... akà .'x' 05.. . 75. permit countles over four hundred thousand to be able to set aside land for Park District purposes.. It vas specifically desfgned, as I understand ft from Mr. Schnei er, to perait the County of Dupage to be able to use some. federal funds and acquire some land about a mile from 4 ' . the existing Park District boarders. And that Amendment of Mr. Schneiderls would permit that to take plaie.'' Dyer: HThen fn that casey I strongly support this 3i11. It is a very important àmendment in Dupage County. Thank you.' Speaker Lechovfcz: ''The Gehtleman from Cook, Mr. Mahar.f' Mahar: ''Thank youy Mr . Speaker. Nill the Sponsor yield for a question?'' Speaker Lechouicz: NMe indi,cates that he wi11.'' Mabar: ''Earold, Itm concern'ed abou: the Amendment I2 that was added to it whfèh allovs Park Distrfcts to acqufre land ' one mile...up to one mile outside of their district. ls this contfguous land? In other uords, they can have the pover of condemnation of and up to one mile beyond thelr district non-contiguouss'' Katz: HExcuse me, you do understand, Mr. Mahar that tbis was an Amendment that was mdded by Mr. Schneider. às I under stand it. it would sim'ply give t>e Park District powers that the munieipalities and a couple other bodies already had, to acquire Park District property. think within two miles of the existing property. It fs already a power that otîer units of local government have. The reason that Dupage needs this is that they have some virgin forest land for which the Federal Government is willing to loan them o: gfve them in fact a' grant in excess of a half a million dollars, it is property that chqy can acquire with this federal money providing they are able to acqufre titte to tbe land. And that is the purpose of Amendment /2 whic: was not my Amendment but, Mr. Schnefder's Amendment.'l Mahar: ''We11, we just receatly passed a Bill out of the Xouse

GEN ERA L ASSEM BLY 6-15-78 ATATK oe Iuùlojs Iqouwl le pxe'pwlwlTATlvll ' I : ' . j ' . 1. j ' . ! : i4 p . I vhfch alloks municipalities in certain instances to acquf e j ' land beyoad their corporate bbundries for vhich there was a great need for fopr or five municipalities downstate.

' But it was so drafted that it only applied to those peopl , now as I understand, if the Amendment was adopted it allo s the...-any couaty of more than four hundred thousand vhic would appl# to cost any Park District across the county and ft seems to me like wefre settiag a rather dffficult prucedent here of acquiring land beyond their boundries and the question of control, tbe question of handling ft seens to be rather difficult. And it seems llke veCre settïng a preeedeat.î' Ratz: 'Could be. Mr. Mahar, sinee:'that is an Amendment my suggestion is that wè take it out of tbe record and you can then talk to thoge peoplè from Dupage who are reallr the ones that want t:at Amendment . It is not anything that I have any interest in, so I *i11 take ft out of the i record and give you that opportunity.t' Mabar: ''Thank you.'' ' Speaker Lechowfcz: nThe Gen:tleman asks leave to take the Bill out of the record. Reartng no objection, t:e Bill is h . taken out of the record. 0n tbe Order of House Bills, Thfrd Reading, page 3. is House 3i11 3392. Representativ Kozubowski. 3392.96

' Clerk o'Brien: 'House Bfll 3392, a Bill for an Act making appropriatfon for certain claims against the State of Illinois fn conformftj with awards made by the Court of Claims. Thfrd Reading ef the Bi11.'' speaker Lechowicz: ''The Geatlecan from Cook, Mr. Kozubowski.'' Kozubowski: nThank you very much. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Houses Ifd ask leave of the House to nove this Bf11 back to Second Reading for purposes of 8Q AmendoenDz' ' Z

Speaker LeChWOiCZ: îîThe 6. eLt1J28n ASkS llavew Any tObjections? eari ; none...lack, do you want to put the Bill on Second Readin ?

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' L 77. Mr. Clerk.v.seeonb Reading. The Gentleman has leave. te ve ' is granted. Any Amendments? The centleman from Cook.

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.. Kozubowski: ''Thaùk you very much. Mr. Speaker aad Ladies and 'I ' j Gentleman of the House, I offer Amendment //1, this Amend- j . I ment covers the awards aade by t%e Court of Claims on I ' . j April 28â through Juae 69 1978. The total is for one . 1 i mfllion , tvo hundrud thousand dollars. And I would move I i its adoption.'' i i speaker Lechowicz: 'Any discussion? The Gentleman has moved I 1 i the adoption of Anendment ?/1 to Xouse Bill 3392. Al1 in i favor signify by sa'yfng laye', a1l opposed. Anendment /1 i I is adopted. Any further Amendments?l' ' i Clerk ofBrien: No further Amendments. S peaker techowicz : ''Tbitd Readfng. It is t*e intent of t%e ' Chafr to ask...vefll go through the Senate Bills, Third . i Reading one more time and Eouse Bills, Thfrd Reading . . . i ORe OOVC QiWC ZUd QMCZ WC Wiil VUrR.../OPefUâiX WCî11 I , i get out of here. Senate 3i11s, Third Reading....82. Representative Po lk , do y ou .want to call that Bi11? 0ut ' of the record. 389, Mr. Greiman...out of the record. ' . i

' At the request of th'e Sponsor, Senate Bill 1395 is out i of the record. Senate Bill 1455, Mr. Hoffman ,..out of th ' i record. Senate Bill 1534, Mrs. Younge...out of tbe recor . i . . I Senate Bill 1562, Lyhn Martfn om.out of the record. Senat ' 1 Bill 1565, Harte..out of the reeord. Mr , Pierce...out i qf the record. Mr. Katz is out of the record. Mr. 1 I Daniels on Senate Bill 18&7...out of the record. 1850, i i Mr. Kucharski..vEddiy.m.out of the record. Agreed l Resolutions. The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Ciorgf.'f i 1 Clerk 0 f Brie' n: ''House Resotution 967, Pullen. 968, Pechous. 1 . 1 969 Pechous. 970, Waddell. 971, Yourell. 972, Stecro. l , I . 973, Greiman. 975, Younge. 976, Younge. 977, Yonnge. ' j1 978 . 1 , Steczo. 979, Anderson. 980. Levin . House Joint i Resolution 98 teverekz.''

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t; . ' j . pg l s Peaker Lecizowt cz : ''rhe Gent leman f rom Winnebago , Mr . Giorgi . f' Ciorgil ''Mr. Speakqr, Pullenes 967 talks about the 75th annfver ary

. . . . of Main Townshfp High School. Pechous, 978 Resol'ution $ .. . . talks about independence of Lithuania.. Pechous, 979

talks about the Bery' yn Family Servfce. Waddell's 970

talks about Mr. and Mrs. Harold F. Wille. Yourell '.s 971 talks about lrinity Presbyterian Chuxch . 97l by Steczo, mentions the Marist Hfgh School baseball team. ' Greimana'. s 973, honor. s Professor .Rubfn C. Cohn . 975 by Younge, talks about the East St. Louis Plyers. 976 b# Younge, by Mr. Jimmy Lewis. 977 by Youngey notes Judge Theodore Mcdtllian. 978 by Steczo, the secretaries'

softball..xfootbatl...baseball'game. Anderson 's 979, talks about Marshall County. 980 bg Levin, about a uarriage. House Resolution 98 by teverenzs talks about t:c Illiaois General' lsseubly and I move for the adoption of the Ag.reed Resolut: ions.'r Speaker techowicz: 'fThe Gentleman from Cook y Mr. Schlickman on the Agreed aesolutions.''

. schlickman: ''Mr. speaker, I wish....''

Speaker techowfcz: HExcuse .me. Kindly give the Gentleman your attention. Please proceedzf Schlickman: 'Q wish the Centleman would be more descrfptfve of these Resolutions. 0ne simply refers to the General

Assembly. 'àni. gosh only knows vhat that provides fôr . An ther deals vith the sublect of marrfage, gosh only knows what that provides for. Tbete vas another one that uade ) ' reference to Children and Family Services and I don't know what that vas a11 about. And I'm wondering with respect to those three in particùlar, we could have nore

descrfption . I doa 't want to abolish marriage, I don't vant to abolis: the General lssembly even.' ciorgt: ''Mr. speaker.'' l

Speaker techowfcz: HThe Gentleman from Wtnnebago, Mr. Giorgi.'î

Gforgf: HIn ansver to the former resfdent of Rockford, now t%e

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. and thàt's when the'y become agreed. So if there is anyth ng surreptitious or somthfng to...... I should talk to his S i d C * ' 1 '' Speaker Lechovicz: ''Any further dfscussicn? Mr. Schlickman . Schlickman: 'fThe Gentleman was not responsfve to my inquiry and should like to know for my beaefit and ot:er interested Members and assume there are some....speciffcally vhat those three Resolutfons provide for. 0r I will object to those three.'f ciorgi: f'Mr. Waddell, woulz'you explain your part in the lgree'd Resolutionss...''

Speaker Lechovicz: 1: The Gentleman from Kane y Mr. 'W addell.., Waddell: p4 I thfnk that the 'one that you probably are worried about the substance. It happens to be the Golden Anniver ary of a kental Eea1th.....Fàmi1y' Sérvice and Mental Realth Ceater in Berwyn.''

'' Schlickman: 'Qkay. What about the one dealfng vfth marriage. uaddell: HHow come Zeke dkdn't haadle it.'' Speaker techovicz: ''Represeptative Ciorgï. Put hfm onz' Gforgi: 'fMr. Speaker, this has to do vitb a 40th Wedding Anniversary in Skinner 's distrfct.'' Speaker Lechowicz: ''Okay. vhat about the General Assembly. ' What are we doing to that?'î Giorgi: HWefre Just noting a'll the services tbat the General Assembly provides for the tourfsts of Spriagffeld. Great innocuous and harmless' Resolution. Your fears are un- founded.'' Schlickman : I'I'm sorry, what fs that again now about the touris and t:e ceneral àssembly?u Waddell: ''0n tbat one, lt happens to....H Giorgi: OHave the Clerk read the Resolution ....'' Waddell: HUnder offices of Legfslative Councils as staffed I durfng the 1978 Session , the Legislature, by trained

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of Women's Voters of Sang'amon County, Springfiéld Junior League and Yith the' approval of yourselfx''

Speaker Leehowicz) jj Tbe qu'estion fs, shall the Agreed Resolutio s be adopted. A11 in favor signify by saying 'aye', all opposed. The Agreed Resolutions are adoptéd. Futher Resolutions.'' Clerk o'Brten: ''House Resolution 974, Murphy.'l Speaker Lechowicz: f'Conmfttee on Assignments. Let me...could I have your attentiln for a moment please. This ts a ' fairly important announcement . It,has been bropght to. the Speaker's attention that t:e State Board of Elections has been notifing a ùunber of fndividuals..w.Members of the General Assembly that they have failed to file their sixty day report which is due on Monday, June 19, 1978. So kf you would be so kind to make sure that your fiaaacfal treasurer :as complied wfth the statutes. You have got to file your sixty day report by Moaday . Now

on tbe Calendar bn page 5. . . . fs located Senate Bill 1523, l Second Reading. 1523, Jack. And, Mr. Ebbesen. This Bill vas read, Amendment I1 was adopted and held on Second. An7 further Amendments?'' Clerk 0'Brien: 'fNo further Amendments.'' Speaker Lechoxicz: Hrhfkd Readfng. Introductfon and First Reading, Jack.'' Clerk O'Brien: ''House Bill 3411, Hartis. a Bill for an Act to submit questions of public policy to the voters at the November 1978, general election. First Reading of tbe Bi11.$ï Speaker Lechowicz: f'Committee on Rules. Any announcements? Any announcements? The Gentleman from Cook , Mr. Madigan l

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. . ; ! . .) j r * ' on the Adjournment Resolution...can we adopt ft and move , ' the adopt..v...perfunctory at 9:30, I have been informed.y

Madiganz OAre there any announcepents?'' . ' Speaker techowfcr: 'fNo, Sir, there are notvl' ' I ! Madigan: ''And the Clerk desires a perfunctory at 9:30, toaorrow I Qorn ng2 ' ' ' I 1 1. . ! I speaker techowicr: ''That is correct.' ! ! Madigan : HFor what purposey Mr. Clerk?fê Speaker techowicz: HThat is the way the Adjournment Resolution ' , was adopted from t%ç Senatezf Nadigan: 'fvhat 411t be t:e purpose of the Perfunctory Sessfonrl' clerk O'Brien: f'Abolutely nothfng. A prayer and adlournmentw'' I ' Madigan: ''There will be nol readings?'

Cler jt 0 4 Brien: Ip Absolutely ' none. lf Madfgaa: HConstitutional Apendments? 1' move that ve adjourn with allowance for the 9:30 Perfunctory Sessfon tomorrow

until 1 P.M., Flonday ,'afternoon.' Speaker tezbowicz) nThe 6entleman has moved that the House stan N adjo.wrnedxvith the 'Perfunetory .session tomorrowtmorning at 9:30, and we staad adjourned until Monday at 1 o'clock. . A11 in favor signlfy by saying 'aye ', a11 opposed. T:e 'ayes' have it and the Eouse stands adlouraed until Monday at 1 o'clockv'ï

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1 . Page Ttme Speaker Informatfon 1 11:00 Speaker iedmond House to order Reverend .Rrueger Prayer Speaker Redmond ' Clerk O'Brien Ag/eed resolutions Speaker Redmond 2 Giorgi Speaker Redmond Clerk o'Brien Death resolutfon Speaker Redmond clerk O'Brien Journals Speaker Redmond Madfgan 3 Speaker Redmond clefk o'irien SJR 1QQ speaker Redmond Lechowicz Speaker Rèdmond Ryan Speaker Redmond 4 Lechowicz. Speaker Redmond Ryan Speaker Redmond Skfnner Speaker Redmond Freidrich ' Speaker Redmond e J y-s'-f Q*. .'X' i o f i' . syX. f .. g a11 .2' sj G E N g R A (a A $ g y; N j jj jx y .. .)C l1. g .?..Ar ky sxxvs o, ,uulao,s %* j. w . sNm 4qQ k =àzLp1v% -J uotlsE or R EFC-ESLNTA.'F lv cs TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 6-15-78 - l I 2. Paqe Time Speaker Information 5 Steczo

Speaker 1Redmond Resolutions adopted 11:10 Adams Speaker Redmond Clerk O'Brien SB 238, 2nd no CA speaker Redmond clerk O'Brien Amendment /1 6 Speaker Redmond $ Porter Speaker Redmond 3rd Clerk O'Brien SB 309, 2nd, /1 adopted 11 speaker Redmond' clerk 0 ' B.r ien 1 l 1 1l ' t1 speaker Redmond 1 $

cspieoarkgetr Rednond Move it to 3rd Ij hI Robinson 1 It s peaker Redmond 3rd j! 7 clerk o'Bèien SB 386, 2nd #1.3,4:6 adopted Speaker Redmond clerk O'Brien /7 l

speaker Redmond !j Hoffman Agrees to Amendment Speaker Redmond àmendment adopted, 3rd Clerk O'Brien SB 393, 2nd, /1 adopted Speaker Redmond 3rd i Cl=

Paqe Time Speaker Information 3. l 8 Speaker Redmond 3rd Hoffman Speaker Redmond Clerk O'Brien SB 388, 2nd, ?/1 adopted Speaker Redmond 3rd Hoffmaa Speaker kedmond Clerk olbrien SB 1055, 2nd, fJ1 adopted Speaker Redmond 3rd i Clerk GfBrien SB 430, 2nd, no CA 9 Speaker Redmond 3rd ! 1 1! clerk o'Brien SB 554, 2nd, /1, 2 adopted l1 speauer îedmond I! ! Madigaa question 1 1 l5 Clerk O'irien l Madigan Hold bill 1 11:20 Speaker Re.dmond T00R $. clerk o'Brien SB 736, 2nd, ao CA 1.16 SPOZu er R çdsoztd Clerk O'Brien #1 filed in Com. 132 Speaker Rgdmond T00R l Clerk o'Brien SB 771, 2nd. #1 adopted 1 l 10 11:21 Speaker Redmond 3rd l

Clerk o'Brien SB 1483, 2ndy no CA ' Spe ake r Redno n d 3rd

cl erk O'B r ien S B 15 06, 2n d, no CA qp e xk er Ra'amon J 3ra I -. . ;I-Ztt-. ' ,I. ( j; '-o%.' ki;&'*-'. .',:l 'a .;k G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y s 9..-8: . t. ') k x. x s oe , u u l ,. o ,s h:h z.? -> c .1 . . )' . =J q') v' IR o u sc o F R E P R L % E M T A T l M E S =e '. t:. s J, tI E . ..'.b.3.''.. .' TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: ;. 1ç-7A

4 . Paae Time Speaker Information Totten Questïon Speaker Redmond 11 Clerk O'Brien SB 1513, 2nd> no CA Speaker Redmoad 3rd Clerk O 'Brien SB 1522, 2nd, no Cl Speaker Redmond 3rd Clerk 0'3rien SB 1523, 2ndy no CA Speaker Redmond j Clerk O'3,rien /?1 failedy I!2 i Speaker Rednond 1 McMaster Hold ft 1 Il speaker R'edmond zoca i 1

1j1 Clerk OeBrfen SB 1524, 2nd, no CA 1 Speàker Redmond 1I12 Cl

'! erk o'Brien Floor Anendment speauer aèdaond ! M d $ adigan Staff preparing àmendment : Speaker Redmond T00R I ! '( Clerk O#3

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pvszx - C1=rE O'Brfen SB 7ûq1 i 7od > nn OA k ' &.''x , . , 'i lrp. -.o.cj '. G E N E R A L A s s E 5,l B 1. Y t( k . -4 f t.t - r1, sm A. 'rs o s' 1 uu I N o ïs -k . s - h...:, . ' . . : . w z H Q u s e: o F R E Fk $: E s y; N 'r A. 'r I v E s .. . 'IL , . :? e'im :1 ..= .. , TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 6-15-78:

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Speaker 1Redmond 3rd 16 Clerk 0 ' Brien S B. l 74 6 .. 2nd Speaker ' Redtmond T00R clerk GlBrien' SB 1747,. 2nd, no CA Speaker Redmond 3rd Clerk OtBrien SB 1760,. 2nd> f/1 &2 adop.t e1; Speaker Redmond TOOR l clerk olBrfen SB 1786, 2nd> ao Cà Speaker Redmond 3rd j ) ?0 l 11:35 clerk O'Brfen SB ' , 2nd, no CA Speaker Redmond 3rd I) Clerk O'Briea SB 1845, 2nd, no CA

' lj Speaker Redmond 3rd ! I16 Madigan !l h79o i Speaker Redmond Return' - to 2nd Kempiners l 11! 17 Madigan Move to adopt .' /1 l i 1,1 speaker Redmond j Totten ç Questsou 11 Madfgan 18 speaker Redmond //1 adopted, 3rd Madlgan questions l Speaker Redmond Clerk O'Brien' SB 1523. 2ndy no Cà Speaker Redmond Clerk O'Brien /1 failed, I!2 Speaker Redmond --.- ' %&CO .. , t,ljg.j ltl%:>'C Yv1L GENERAL ASSEMBLY f i' ' %* ' t$, 't. . l lf s x ax s. o p , u u I s o l s . (è . b-' - ïjz' . . ' ' - :' 'zt '. .- ., x!:.' * ' TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: fk - 1 G - 7 R r- ' t 7 . Paae Time Speaker' Information Ebbesen Speaker Redmond Amendment adopted Ebbesen Hold on 2nd 20 Speaker Redmond 11:42 Cunninghym HB 3241, move to concur Speaker Redmond Pullen Question Speaker Redmond Cunningham Responds I yuyyaa l Speaker Redmond Eouse concurs SA ?J1

: ,t121 Friedrich HB 3246, move to concur Speaker Redmond House concurs SA //1 ! ! i1t1 Friedrich HB 3247, move to concur j speaker Redmond Sattertbwaite Questfon l 22 Speaker é.edmond House concurs SA //1 & 2 t i1: l1 ! Frtedrtcs . 11- Speaker Redmond Darrow HB 3248, SA //l Speaker Redmond House concurs Wikoff HB 3256, SA //1 I 23 Speaker Redmond House concurs Bowman Leave to consider SA #1 & to HJR /72 Speaker Redmond House concurs Terzich HB 841, CCR

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8. Page Time Speaker : Informa tion Terzich Speaker Redmond Madigan T00R Speaker 'lRedmond Giorgi In the chair 25 Collins Question speaker Giorgi Yourell HB 1468, CCR ! speaker Giorgi ' 26 Mabar l Speaker Giorgi I . I 27 Leinenweber Urge rejection l 1 Speaker Giorgi t ! I 28 Epton $ speaker Giorgi 29 schuneman guestion 1

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P 9. age Time Speaker Information Speaker lGiorgi Yourell Explafn vote 33 Speaker Giorgi McMaster Speaker Giorgi Huskey Fxplain vote Speaker sGiorgi 34 Conti Collins 1 . speaker ctorgi Mahar ! l35 speaker ciorgi I1 l!j EP t On ! 1 , 1 Speaker Giorgi Yourell, poll absentees I l Mahar * Possi:le verification Speaker jiorgi 36 Clerk O'Brien Polls absentees l 1 Speaker Giorgi nouse does not adopt CCR ! Yourell Moves for 2nd CCR Speaker Giorgi 12:20 Clerk O'Brien SB 82. 3rd 37 Speaker Giorgi E Polk Leave to return to 2nd Speaker Giorgi i Clerk O'Brien f/3

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1 0. Page Time Speaker l Informa tïon t Speaker Giorgi Houlihah, D. Question germaneness Speaker 'Giorgi Hoalihan : 38 Kosinski Speaker Giorgi 39 schlickkan Speaker Giorgi Friedrich l 40 speaker Giorgi t Darrow 1 speaker ciorgt I Kosinski- $ j ' 2: j speaker ciorgi jIj clerk o ' B'rien 41 Speaker Giorgi 3rd 11 Clerk Olirien SB 1060, 3rd i j' t 12:30 Speaker Giorgi 1'1 42 Tipsword l speaker Gtorgi teinenweber speaker Giorgi vinson. ?arltamentary inquiry 4 3 Sp e aker Giorgi Ji # T ip svo r d C on t f n u e s Speaker Giorgi

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l 11 a Paae Time Speaker', ' Information 4s speauer ctorgi Tipsvori continues speaker Giorgi 45-46 Katz Speaker Giorgi Geo-Karip . Speaker Giorgï $3-49 Leinenveber

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12. Page Time Speaker' Informatïon Taylor MPQ Speaker fGforgi 62 Leinenweber Speaker Giorgi tevin Speaker Gforgf 63-64 Tipsword To close 1 Speaker Glorgi 1:27 Levin Explain vote l Spea k er ciorgi 165 Deuster Explain vote I Speaker ciorgi Skinner Explain vote it Speaker Gtorgi I ' l66 - 67 Tipsword Explain vote speaker ciorgi l teinenwebèr verification l speaker Giorgi -1 l l 1, Mcclafn Explain vote speaker Giorgi Poll abseatees McBroom Leave to be verified Speaier Giorgi l 68 Bovman Change to aye Speaker Gforgf Getty teave to be verified Speakef Giorgi

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