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Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Social And Second Session - Fortieth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development Chairperson Mr. Thomas Nevakshonoff Constituency of Interlake Vol. LXV No. 1 - 6 p.m., Thursday, June 27, 2013 ISSN 1708-6698 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Fortieth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital NDP ALLUM, James Fort Garry-Riverview NDP ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley NDP ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson NDP BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli NDP BLADY, Sharon Kirkfield Park NDP BRAUN, Erna Rossmere NDP BRIESE, Stuart Agassiz PC CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East NDP CHIEF, Kevin, Hon. Point Douglas NDP CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan NDP CROTHERS, Deanne St. James NDP CULLEN, Cliff Spruce Woods PC DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk NDP DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood PC EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FRIESEN, Cameron Morden-Winkler PC GAUDREAU, Dave St. Norbert NDP GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Liberal GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach PC GRAYDON, Cliff Emerson PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC HOWARD, Jennifer, Hon. Fort Rouge NDP IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri, Hon. Fort Richmond NDP JHA, Bidhu Radisson NDP KOSTYSHYN, Ron, Hon. Swan River NDP LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. Dawson Trail NDP MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns NDP MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden PC MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Flor, Hon. Logan NDP MARCELINO, Ted Tyndall Park NDP MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel NDP MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East PC NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake NDP OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River NDP PALLISTER, Brian Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine Midland PC PETTERSEN, Clarence Flin Flon NDP REID, Daryl, Hon. Transcona NDP ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Kewatinook NDP RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia NDP ROWAT, Leanne Riding Mountain PC SARAN, Mohinder The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron St. Paul PC SELBY, Erin, Hon. Southdale NDP SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Verendrye PC STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo PC STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin NDP SWAN, Andrew, Hon. Minto NDP WHITEHEAD, Frank The Pas NDP WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WIGHT, Melanie Burrows NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC Vacant Morris 1 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT Thursday, June 27, 2013 TIME – 6 p.m. Mr. Dwight Hildebrand, private citizen Ms. Julie Bubnick, private citizen LOCATION – Winnipeg, Manitoba Mr. Dave Capar, private citizen Mr. Sig Laser, private citizen CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Tom Nevakshonoff Mr. Charter Kidzugane, private citizen (Interlake) WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS: VICE-CHAIRPERSON – Mr. James Allum (Fort Garry-Riverview) Ryan Sturgeon, private citizen Jeff Wharton and others, private citizens ATTENDANCE – 11 QUORUM – 6 MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: Members of the Committee present: Bill 20–The Manitoba Building and Renewal Hon. Mr. Chomiak, Hon. Mses. Melnick, Funding and Fiscal Management Act (Various Oswald, Hon. Mr. Struthers Acts Amended) Mr. Allum, Mrs. Driedger, Messrs. Graydon, Maguire, Marcelino, Mrs. Mitchelson, Mr. * * * Nevakshonoff Mr. Vice-Chairperson: Good evening. Will the Standing Committee on Social and Economic Substitutions: Development please come to order. Mr. Pedersen for Mr. Maguire Our first item of business is the election of a new Mr. Briese for Mr. Graydon chairperson. Are there any nominations for this Mr. Graydon for Mr. Pedersen at 9:15 p.m. position? Mr. Maguire for Mr. Briese at 9:15 p.m. An Honourable Member: I nominate Tom APPEARING: Nevakshonoff. Hon. Jon Gerrard, MLA for River Heights Mr. Vice-Chairperson: Honourable Ms. Melnick. PUBLIC PRESENTERS: Hon. Christine Melnick (Minister of Immigration Mr. William Pfeiffer, private citizen and Multiculturalism): Yes, I'd like to nominate Ms. Candace Maxymowich, private citizen Tom Nevakshonoff. Mr. Eric Pollmann, private citizen Mr. Vice-Chairperson: Tom Nevakshonoff has Mr. Mahendra Wanigasekara, private citizen been nominated. Are there any other nominations? Ms. Regan Archambault, private citizen Mr. David Sutherland, private citizen Hearing no other nominations, Tom Mr. Lanny McInnes, Retail Council of Canada Nevakshonoff, will you please take the Chair. Mr. Colin Craig, Canadian Taxpayers Federation Mr. Chairperson: Good evening. Mr. Don Woodstock, private citizen Ms. Kathleen Cook, private citizen Committee Substitutions Mr. Dwayne Marling, Canadian Restaurant and Mr. Chairperson: First order of business, Foodservices Association announcing a couple of substitutions. Mr. Pedersen is Mr. Humphry Davy, private citizen in for Mr. Maguire, and Mr. Briese is in for Mr. Mr. Brian Segal, private citizen Graydon. Ms. Denise Conan, private citizen Mr. Jared Miller, private citizen * * * 2 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA June 27, 2013 Mr. Chairperson: This meeting has been called to distributed to committee members: Ryan Sturgeon, consider Bill 20, The Manitoba Building and Jeff Wharton. Please note that Mr. Wharton is Renewal Funding and Fiscal Management Act submitting on behalf of 12 other citizens whose (Various Acts Amended). As per agreement of the names are listed on the first page of the submission. House dated June 20th, tonight we will hear from Does the committee agree to have these documents 30 of the presenters registered to speak to Bill 20, appear in the Hansard transcript of this meeting? and you have the list of those presenters before you. [Agreed] On the topic of determining the order of Speaking in committee: Prior to proceeding with public presentations, I will note that we do have public presentations, I would like to advise members out-of-town presenters in attendance marked with an of the public regarding the process for speaking in asterisk on the list. With this consideration in mind, committee. The proceedings of our meetings are in what order does the committee wish to hear the recorded in order to provide a verbatim transcript. presentations? Each time someone wishes to speak, whether it be an MLA or a presenter, I have to say the person's name. Mr. Blaine Pedersen (Midland): The out-of-town This is the signal for the Hansard recorder to turn presenters are usually called first, aren't they? microphones on and off. Mr. Chairperson: You're suggesting that we hear Thank you for your patience. We will now out-of-town presenters first? proceed with public presentations. Mr. Pedersen: I suggest we hear out-of-town I call Mr. William Pfeiffer, private citizen. That's presenters first. Pfeiffer, is it, sir? Do you have any written materials Mr. Chairperson: Mr. Pedersen has said. Is that for distribution to the committee? agreeable to the committee? [Agreed] Mr. William Pfeiffer (Private Citizen): No, just my I would also like to remind members of the personal notes. Thank you. committee that, in accordance with the agreement mentioned before, the committee may also by leave Mr. Chairperson: Thank you, sir. You may decide to hear from presenters in addition to those proceed. scheduled for tonight's meeting. Mr. Pfeiffer: My name is William Pfeiffer. I was Before we proceed with presentations, we do born and raised in Manitoba. I have three children in have a number of other items and points of Manitoba; I have two grandchildren. I would like to information to consider. For the information of all first request that this government remove protecting presenters, while written versions of presentations families from their budget propaganda. You see, my are not required, if you are going to accompany your oldest daughter and her husband have good jobs, presentation with written materials, we ask that their own home, two children. Their problem is that you provide 20 copies. If you need help with they fall into an income zone where they don't photocopying, speak to our staff. qualify really for any government subsidies because they make too much money, yet not enough to pay As well, I would like to inform presenters that, all their bills. So the PST increase will only serve to in accordance with our rules, the time limit of put them another hundred dollars further behind in 10 minutes has been allotted for presentations, with their bills. This is not protecting families. another five minutes allowed for questions from committee members. Also, in accordance with the My son-in-law works for a company that has rules agreed in the House for the meetings hearing good opportunities in Alberta. Until recently, he's from presenters on Bill 20, if a presenter is not in never considered these, although with their third attendance when their name is called, they will be child on the way he must look at what's best for his dropped to the bottom of the list of tonight's family. Although I can't blame him, I can tell this presenters. If the presenter is not in attendance when committee that my wife and myself would be their name is called a second time tonight, they will devastated to see them go. be dropped to the bottom of the global list of It is my opinion that the PST increase is a result presenters. of a much bigger problem, and that problem is Written submissions: The following written integrity. In the Manitoba I was raised in, if you submissions on Bill 20 have been received and wronged somebody, you were dragged by the ear June 27, 2013 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3 over to that person and made to apologize. And, if This committee may believe that some of these you knew my father, you knew that that apology had issues don't believe–don't belong here in this debate better be sincere. about Bill 20 and the PST. However, your leader opened the door when he sent out his most recent During the 2000 election, you stated that you flyer and attached any and all issues to it. would balance the budget by 2013-14. Your opposition claimed that it would take 'til 2017-18. On that note, I will point out that Mr. Selinger's You have now adjusted your forecast to 2016-17. dishonesty began a long time ago with Crocus.
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