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Vol. 797 Tuesday No. 300 14 May 2019 PARLIAMENTARYDEBATES (HANSARD) HOUSE OF LORDS OFFICIAL REPORT ORDEROFBUSINESS Questions Stalking.........................................................................................................................1487 Brexit: Free Trade Agreement.......................................................................................1489 Internet Encryption ......................................................................................................1492 Emergency Services Network........................................................................................1494 Draft Domestic Abuse Bill Motion to Agree............................................................................................................1496 Domestic Abuse Statement......................................................................................................................1496 Courts and Tribunals (Online Procedure) Bill [HL] Second Reading.............................................................................................................1505 Schools: Adopted Children Question for Short Debate.............................................................................................1529 Grand Committee Vaccinations and Health Screening Services Question for Short Debate..........................................................................................GC 63 Grooming Gangs Question for Short Debate..........................................................................................GC 76 Attacks on Journalists Question for Short Debate..........................................................................................GC 90 Wild Salmon Question for Short Debate .......................................................................................GC 107 Lords wishing to be supplied with these Daily Reports should give notice to this effect to the Printed Paper Office. 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In the Victims Strategy, Tuesday 14 May 2019 the College of Policing committed to review the national policing curriculum and develop a set of resources to 2.30 pm support learning in relation to victims and witnesses, for police forces to then use as a basis for any relevant Prayers—read by the Lord Bishop of Portsmouth. locally based training. I will get back to the noble Baroness on the point about judges. Stalking Question Baroness Burt of Solihull (LD): My Lords, stalking has been described as murder in slow motion. While 2.37 pm the number of reported incidents has increased fourfold Asked by Baroness Royall of Blaisdon in recent years, charge rates have halved. We do not need the Minister to tell us that the police must do To ask Her Majesty’s Government what steps better,although I welcome her comments about training, they are taking to ensure that all police forces have but can she tell us what plans the Home Office has the requisite training on stalking to prevent women properly to address how the police will be given the and girls being murdered or taking their own lives. compulsory training and resources to help stem this tide in human misery and save lives? The Minister of State, Home Office (Baroness Williams of Trafford) (Con): My Lords, before I start, may I Baroness Williams of Trafford: I think I outlined take a moment to apologise to the doorkeepers? Last the training to the noble Baroness, Lady Royall, but week, I referred to them as doormen. Of course, they on charge rates halving, I have acknowledged previously do not stand outside the doors of nightclubs—maybe that the figure for referrals—and therefore for charges— they do; I hope not—but I wanted to take this first has dropped. I know that the police and the CPS are opportunity to apologise, so that they know how very working together to understand why that is. I also grateful we are to them. know that my right honourable friend the Home Secretary Stalking is an insidious crime, which has a significant chairs an oversight board to understand why the figures impact on victims’well-being. Toensure that the front-line are going the way that the noble Baroness describes. response is as effective as possible, the College of Policing has recently published new advice for police Baroness Gale (Lab): My Lords, as stalking is one responders and call handlers on how to respond to of the most frequently experienced forms of abuse and reports of stalking and/or harassment. Further advice can escalate to rape and murder—it is a crime and it to police on investigating stalking crimes will be released destroys lives—I ask the Minister once again whether later this year. she will consider introducing as a matter of urgency a national register of serial stalkers and domestic abuse Baroness Royall of Blaisdon (Lab): My Lords, I am perpetrators, as recommended by Paladin. I understand grateful to the noble Baroness for that Answer, and that the actress Emma Watson was recently at the G7 warmly welcome the new advice being given to the meeting, where she raised the issue of stalking and police by the College of Policing. However, 70% of linked it to the Istanbul convention. Does the Minister victims do not go to the police until the 100th incident, agree that if the Government were to introduce such and when they do, too often they are still not believed a register, it would help them go some way towards and no action is taken. At least 60 women have been ratifying the convention? killed by their stalkers since 2015, so I very much hope that the College of Policing’s advice will be thoroughly implemented. However, I should like to be sure that it Baroness Williams of Trafford: On the noble Baroness’s is not just guidance but that there is much more to it. second question, she is absolutely right: the Government May I also ask the noble Baroness when judges will were challenged, and I was challenged, by Emma receive training on the sentencing guidelines on Watson on Friday about the fact that we had not yet intimidatory offences, introduced in 2018? ratified the Istanbul convention. She is also right to link it to domestic abuse, because it will be the domestic Baroness Williams of Trafford: My Lords, the noble abuse Bill that will enable us, through the definition, Baroness points out the very stark, very low figures for to ratify the convention. people who will go to the police. If officers do not have I think I have previously been clear that a series of the training to spot the signs of harassment and deal separate registers could fragment the system that we with it, the figure for perpetrators being brought to have. Dangerous and violent stalkers should already justice will be even lower. There is a training programme be captured on ViSOR and managed through MAPPA for the police, Domestic Abuse Matters, which, as she if appropriate. said, has been developed by the College of Policing and Safelives. Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate (Non-Afl): My I pay tribute at this point to my noble friend Lords, does the Minister agree that stalking can be an Lady Barran, who was chief executive of Safelives. obsessive crime and is quite often related to mental The current evaluation shows that the programme has illness? Of course, it can lead to murder. I dealt with a had a positive impact on police officers’ knowledge of case recently where the accused was a foreign national. coercive control and on attitudes to domestic abuse, Importantly,he was convicted of the crime and eventually 1489 Stalking [LORDS] Brexit: Free Trade Agreement 1490 [LORD MACKENZIE OF FRAMWELLGATE] The Minister of State, Department for Exiting the deported. The police need to take the issue seriously European Union (Lord Callanan) (Con): My Lords, the and senior officers need to supervise those on the front best way to secure certainty for UK and EU businesses line who deal with these incidents. Quite often, they and citizens is to leave the EU in an orderly fashion deal with them as domestic disputes, which of