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Uncorrected/ Not for Publication-07.07.2009 1 NBR-NB/1A/11.00 1 Uncorrected/ Not for publication-07.07.2009 NBR-NB/1A/11.00 The House met at eleven of the clock, MR. CHAIRMAN in the Chair 2 Uncorrected/ Not for publication-07.07.2009 3 Uncorrected/ Not for publication-07.07.2009 4 Uncorrected/ Not for publication-07.07.2009 5 Uncorrected/ Not for publication-07.07.2009 ¯ÖÏ¿®Ö ÃÖÓܵÖÖ 41 ÁÖß ×¿Ö¾ÖÖ®Ö®¤ü ן־ÖÖ¸üß : ÃÖ³ÖÖ¯Ö×ŸÖ ´ÖÆüÖê¤üµÖ, ÃÖ¸üÛúÖ¸ü ®Öê •ÖÖê •Ö¾ÖÖ²Ö ×¤üµÖÖ Æîü, µÖÆü •Ö¾ÖÖ²Ö abstract Æîü, ײֻÛãú»Ö †´ÖæŸÖÔ •Ö¾ÖÖ²Ö Æîü… ¸üÖê•ÖÌ Æü´Ö »ÖÖêÝÖ †ÜÖ²ÖÖ¸üÖë ´Öë ¤êüÜÖ ¸üÆüê Æïü ×Ûú ×®Ö•Öß ×¾ÖªÖ»ÖµÖÖë, ×¾ÖÀ¾Ö×¾ÖªÖ»ÖµÖÖë Ûúê ×¾ÖóÖÖ¯Ö®Ö ”û¯Ö ¸üÆêü Æïü †Öî¸ü ׿ÖõÖÖ Ûêú õÖê¡Ö ´Öë ו֮֟Öß ÝÖî¸ü-²Ö¸üÖ²Ö¸üß †Ö•ÖÌÖ¤üß Ûêú ²ÖÖ¤ü ²ÖœÍüß Æîü, ˆŸÖ®Öß ¯ÖÆü»Öê ®ÖÆüà £Öß… ¾ÖîÃÖê ŸÖÖê Æü¸ü õÖê¡Ö ´Öë ÝÖî¸ü-²Ö¸üÖ²Ö¸üß ²ÖœÍüß Æîü, »Öê×Ûú®Ö ׿ÖõÖÖ Ûêú õÖê¡Ö ´Öë •Ö̲֤ÔüÃŸÖ ÝÖî¸ü-²Ö¸üÖ²Ö¸üß ²ÖœÍüß Æîü… †Ö•ÖÌÖ¤üß ÃÖê ¯ÖÆü»Öê ׿ÖõÖÖ ´Öë ‡ŸÖ®ÖÖ ¾ÖÝÖáÛú¸üÞÖ ®ÖÆüà £ÖÖ, ו֮֟ÖÖ †Ö•Ö Æîü… ŸÖÖê ´Öï ÃÖ¸üÛúÖ¸ü ÃÖê •ÖÖ®Ö®ÖÖ “ÖÖÆüŸÖÖ ÆæÓü ×Ûú ׿ÖõÖÖ Ûêú õÖê¡Ö ´Öë µÖÆü •ÖÖê ÝÖî¸ü-²Ö¸üÖ²Ö¸üß Æîü, ‡ÃÖ ÝÖî¸ü-²Ö¸üÖ²Ö¸üß ÛúÖê ÜÖŸ´Ö Ûú¸ü®Öê Ûêú ×»Ö‹ ÛúÖêšüÖ¸üß Ûú´Öß¿Ö®Ö †Öî¸ü ²ÖÖÛúß ¤æüÃÖ¸êü Ûú´Öß¿Ö®ÖÖë ®Öê ÛúÆüÖ £ÖÖ ×Ûú ׿ÖõÖÖ ´Öë ÃÖ´ÖÖ®ÖßÛú¸üÞÖ Ûúß ®Öß×ŸÖ †¯Ö®ÖÖ‡Ô •ÖÖ‹ÝÖß, ‡ÃÖÛêú ²ÖÖ¸êü ´Öë ÃÖ¸üÛúÖ¸ü Ûúß ŒµÖÖ ¸üÖµÖ Æîü? SHRI KAPIL SIBAL: Mr. Chairman, Sir, I wish to state on the Floor of the House that this is a very serious issue. It is in this context we have publicly stated, both in the President's Address as well as my public pronouncements, that we need to move forward in education on the basis of three large principles. The first one is expansion, then, inclusion and then excellence, which, if translated, means access, equity and quality. Now, the problems that have arisen today in the education sector are a mismatch between the three. Where you have excellence, you do not have access, where you have excellence, you do not have equity and where you have access, you have no quality. So, we need to very carefully move forward in this area, because the needs of society have changed. The needs of education sector and society in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s are entirely different. Previously, society used to move Q.NO. 41 (CONTD.) 6 Uncorrected/ Not for publication-07.07.2009 forward by investment in physical assets. Today, society moves forward by investment in intellectual assets. The whole paradigm has shifted. Unfortunately, in our country, there is not sufficient debate on this paradigm shift. If the paradigm has shifted and the wealth of nation depends on the extent of intellectual property that is created, then only will the country move forward. Therefore, you need greater access to institutes of excellence, along with equity. That is exactly what we are trying to do. Therefore, the hon. Prime Minister has moved forward very quickly. We are talking about setting up of 30 new Central Universities, creating 8 new IITs, 8 new IIMs and 5 Indian Institute of Education and Research. The kind of investments that we have made in education and the kind of investments that we are looking at are going to move forward very quickly. In the meantime, we are going to de-stress the system by allowing a lot of people to set up institutes with very strong entry barriers. That is what our policy is going to be. We need huge expansion in this area, because there is a mismatch between demand and supply. Unless that mismatch is rectified, we will not be able to move forward quickly. That is the statement I wish to make. ÁÖß ×¿Ö¾ÖÖ®Ö®¤ü ן־ÖÖ¸üß : ÃÖ³ÖÖ¯Ö×ŸÖ ´ÖÆüÖê¤üµÖ, ´ÖÖ®Ö®ÖßµÖ ´ÖÓ¡Öß •Öß ®Öê ²ÖÆãüŸÖ Æüß »Öã³ÖÖ¾Ö®Öß ²ÖÖŸÖë ÛúÆüß Æïü, ²ÖÆãüŸÖ lofty ideas ÛúÖê ²ÖµÖÖ®Ö ×ÛúµÖÖ Æîü, ‡ÃÖÃÖê ×ÛúÃÖß ÛúÖê ÛúÖê‡Ô ‹êŸÖ¸üÖ•ÖÌ ®ÖÆüà ÆüÖê ÃÖÛúŸÖÖ Æîü, »Öê×Ûú®Ö •ÖÖê Ûãú”û µÖê ÛúÆü ¸üÆêü Æïü, †Ö•ÖÌÖ¤üß Ûêú 60-62 ¾ÖÂÖÖí ´Öë Æü´Ö®Öê ˆÃÖÛúÖê ÆüÖ×ÃÖ»Ö ®ÖÆüà ×ÛúµÖÖ Æîü, ²Ö×»Ûú ¾Öê וÖÃÖ ÝÖãÞÖ¾Ö¢ÖÖ Ûúß ²ÖÖŸÖ Ûú¸ü ¸üÆêü Æïü, Œ¾ÖÖ×»Ö™üß ‹•ÖãÛêú¿Ö®Ö Ûúß ²ÖÖŸÖ Ûú¸ü ¸üÆêü Æïü, †Ö•Ö ³Öß ‡ÃÖ ¤êü¿Ö Ûêú ÝÖÏÖ´ÖßÞÖ õÖê¡ÖÖë ´Öë •ÖÖê ÃÖ¸üÛúÖ¸üß ×¾ÖªÖ»ÖµÖ Æïü, ˆ®ÖÛúß ŒµÖÖ ×ãÖ×ŸÖ Æîü, µÖÆü Æü¸ü ÛúÖê‡Ô •ÖÖ®ÖŸÖÖ Æîü… Æü´ÖÖ¸êü ÃÖÓ×¾Ö¬ÖÖ®Ö Ûêú Directive Principles ´Öë µÖÆü ×»ÖÜÖÖ ÝÖµÖÖ Æîü ×Ûú Æü´Ö Æü¸ü ŸÖ¸üÆü Ûúß ÝÖî¸ü-²Ö¸üÖ²Ö¸üß ÛúÖê Ûú´Ö Ûú¸ü®Öê Ûúß ÛúÖê×¿Ö¿Ö Ûú¸ëüÝÖê, »Öê×Ûú®Ö ‡ÃÖÛêú šüßÛú ˆ»™êü Æü´Ö ÃÖÖ¸êü Q.NO. 41 (CONTD.) 7 Uncorrected/ Not for publication-07.07.2009 õÖê¡ÖÖë ´Öë ÝÖî¸ü-²Ö¸üÖ²Ö¸üß ÛúÖê ²ÖœÍüÖ®Öê ÛúÖ ÛúÖ´Ö Ûú¸ü ¸üÆêü Æïü… ŸÖÖê •ÖÖê Ûãú”û ´ÖÖ®Ö®ÖßµÖ ´ÖÓ¡Öß •Öß ®Öê ²ÖµÖÖ®Ö ×ÛúµÖÖ Æîü, ˆÃÖÛúÖê achieve Ûú¸ü®Öê Ûêú ×»Ö‹, ÆüÖ×ÃÖ»Ö Ûú¸ü®Öê Ûêú ×»Ö‹ ÛúÖê‡Ô ³Öß blueprint ²Ö•Ö™ü ´Öë פüÜÖÖ‡Ô ®ÖÆüà פüµÖÖ… 1B/VNK ¯Ö¸ü ÛÎú´Ö¿Ö: -NB/VNK-USY/1b/11.05 ÁÖß ×¿Ö¾ÖÖ®Ö®¤ü ן־ÖÖ¸üß (ÛÎú´ÖÖÝÖŸÖ) : ÃÖ¸üÛúÖ¸ü ®Öê ²Ö•Ö™ü ´Öë primary education ´Öë ´ÖÆü•Ö ÃÖÖî- ÃÖ¾ÖÖ ÃÖÖî Ûú¸üÖê›Íü ¹ý¯Ö‹ ÛúÖ ¯ÖÏÖ¾Ö¬ÖÖ®Ö ×ÛúµÖÖ Æîü †Öî¸ü 'Right to Education' ÛúÖ ×²Ö»Ö ‡ŸÖ®Öê »ÖÓ²Öê ÃÖ´ÖµÖ ÃÖê pending Æîü… †Ö•Ö †Ö¯Ö •ÖÖê ³ÖÖÂÖÞÖ ¤êü ¸üÆêü Æïü, ¾ÖÆü ŸÖÖê Æü´Ö †Ö•ÖÌÖ¤üß Ûêú ²ÖÖ¤ü ÃÖê »ÖÝÖÖŸÖÖ¸ü ÃÖã®ÖŸÖê †Ö ¸üÆêü Æïü, »Öê×Ûú®Ö ¬Ö¸üÖŸÖ»Ö ¯Ö¸ü Ûãú”û ®ÖÆüà פüÜÖÖ‡Ô ×¤üµÖÖ Æîü… ÁÖß ÃÖ³ÖÖ¯Ö×ŸÖ : Ûéú¯ÖµÖÖ, †Ö¯Ö ÃÖ¾ÖÖ»Ö ŸÖÖê ¯Öæ”û »Ößו֋… ÁÖß ×¿Ö¾ÖÖ®Ö®¤ü ן־ÖÖ¸üß : ´ÖÆüÖê¤üµÖ, ´ÖîÓ ´ÖÖ®Ö®ÖßµÖ ´ÖÓ¡Öß •Öß ÃÖê µÖÆü •ÖÖ®Ö®ÖÖ “ÖÖÆüŸÖÖ ÆæÑü ×Ûú Ûú´Ö ÃÖê Ûú´Ö ´ÖÓ¡Öß ´ÖÆüÖê¤üµÖ µÖÆü ŸÖÖê ²ÖŸÖÖ‹Ó ×Ûú •ÖÖê Ûãú”û ˆ®ÆüÖë®Öê ÛúÆüÖ Æîü, ˆÃÖÛúÖê ÆüÖ×ÃÖ»Ö Ûú¸ü®Öê Ûêú ×»Ö‹ ˆ®ÖÛêú ¯ÖÖÃÖ ŒµÖÖ µÖÖê•Ö®ÖÖ Æîü †Öî¸ü ŒµÖÖ time frame Æîü? SHRI KAPIL SIBAL: Mr. Chairman, Sir, as far as the Right to Education Bill is concerned, hopefully, we will bring it to this House in this Session itself. So, these are not plans in the air. This is something that we are going to do. I need the support of all the Members of this House to have this passed as quickly as possible. As far as higher education is concerned, I think, what this Government has done, what the previous Government did, and what this Government intends to do, has never been done in the history of this country in the field of education. By the end of the Eleventh Plan....(Interruptions) Q.NO. 41 (CONTD.) 8 Uncorrected/ Not for publication-07.07.2009 ÁÖß ×¿Ö¾ÖÖ®Ö®¤ü ן־ÖÖ¸üß : ´ÖÆüÖê¤üµÖ, †Ö•Ö primary education ÛúÖ challenge Æîü ..(¾µÖ¾Ö¬ÖÖ®Ö)..… ´ÖÆüÖê¤üµÖ, ‡ÃÖ ¤êü¿Ö Ûêú ÃÖÖ´Ö®Öê †Ö•Ö ³Öß primary education ‹Ûú “Öã®ÖÖîŸÖß Æîü ..(¾µÖ¾Ö¬ÖÖ®Ö)..… ÁÖß ÃÖ³ÖÖ¯Ö×ŸÖ : ´ÖÖ±ú Ûúßו֋ÝÖÖ ..(¾µÖ¾Ö¬ÖÖ®Ö)..… SHRI KAPIL SIBAL: I think, I have already mentioned that we are moving a Right to Education Bill. Is that not concerned with the primary education? I thought, that is precisely what it was. We are going to have neighbourhood schools in every part of this country. The State Governments will be given the liberty to decide where that neighbourhood school should be; what is the habitation that that neighbourhood school is going to serve. That is left to each State Government. And, we hope that the State Governments cooperate and set up schools in every neighbourhood. There is guideline saying that within three years, if a particular area or a particular place does not have a school, that school shall be built in accordance with the norms that are set out in the Right to Education Bill. That is all about primary education. DR. (SHRIMATI) NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: Mr. Chairman, Sir, I read in the newspaper that the Government is planning to have cooperation or joint venture, in the higher education, with foreign universities. I would like to know from the hon. Minister what the truth is. Are you going to have collaboration with foreign universities in higher education? SHRI KAPIL SIBAL: Sir, I wish to again place on record that this is something that the Government is contemplating. A kind of Bill has been drafted at the level of the Ministry. I hope to send it to the Q.NO. 41 (CONTD.) 9 Uncorrected/ Not for publication-07.07.2009 Cabinet very soon. And, whenever there is a consensus on this, we will move forward. I do believe that it is important for us to have access to the best in the world.
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