Fifth Series Vol. XVI No. 56 Wednesday, May 31, 1972 Jyaistha 10, 1894 (Saka) LOK SABHA DEBATES
(Fifth Series)
Vol. XVI
Fourth Session, 1972/1893-94 (Saka)
( Vol . XVI contains Nos . 51 — 57 )
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI CONTENTS
(Fifth Series, Vol. XVI, Fourth Session, 1972)
No. 56— Wednesday, May 31,1972/Jyaistka 10,1894 (Saka)
C o l u m n s
Member Sworn ...... j
Oral Answers to Questions— •Starred Questions Nos. 1063 to 1066, 1068 to 1072, 1074 and 1076 ... 1—31
Short Notice Question No. 6 ...... 31—44
Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1061, 1062, 1067, 1073, 1075 and 1077 to 1080 ...... 44 —49
Unstarred Questions Nos. 8038 to 8226 ...... 49—184
Correction of Answer to USQ No. 4953 dated December 16, 1970— re : Use of Staff car in Civil Defence Organisation in Delhi ... 184—85
R e : Question of Privilege (Querry) ...... 185— 91
Papers laid on the Table ...... 191— 200
Financial Committees— A Review ...... 200
Messages from Rajya Sabha ...... 200— 01
Assent to Bills ...... 201
Committee on Public Undertakings— Twenty-Second Report and Minutes ...... 201— 02
Committee oh the Welfare of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes— Eighth* Ninth and Tenth Reports ...... 202
Joint Committee on Offices of Profit— Second Report ...... 203
Bill Introduced— (i) Disturbed Areas (Special Courts) Bill...... 203
(10 Criminal Law (Amendment) Bill...... 203—08
•The sign-{-marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. («)
Co l u m n s
Hire Purchase Bill— Motion to consider, as passed by Rajya Sabha 204— 44
Shri Somnath Chatterjee 204— 12, 221— 26, 239—41 Shri Sarjoo Pandey 212— 14 Shri B. R. Krishnan in 214— 17 Shri Phool Chand Verma ... 217— 19 Shri Nitiraj Singh Chaudhary 219—21,228—29
Clauses 2 to 31 and 1
Motion to Pass ...... 244
jarh Muslim University (Amendment) Bill—
Motion to Consider ...... 244—51 Prof. S. Nurul Hasan 245—51
ition R e : Allegation of Publication of Large Number of Posters by a Company in Violation of Company Law ... 251-378
Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu ...... 251—68 Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi ...... 269—76, 360—71 Shri Indrajit Gupta ...... 276—84 Shri K. P. Unnikrishnan ...... 284—90 Shri G. Viswanathan ...... 290—93 Shri VidyaCharan Shukla ...... 294—98 Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee ...... 298—304 Dr. Henry Austin ... 304—06 Shri Shyamnandan Mishra ... 306— 11 Shri R. K. Sinha ...... 311— 14 Shri Surendra Mohanty ...... 314-17 Shri P. ft. Deo ...... 319—21 Shri Madhu Dandavate ...... 321—25 Shri C. M. Stephen — ... 325—36 Shri S. A. Shamim ...... 336—39 Shri R. S. Pandey ...... 346—50 Shri Raghunatha Reddy ...... 354— 60 LOK SABHA DEBATES i 2
L O K SABHA Sff TT f^TTT far fa S fc rw l % xre$ij syjTm ? Wednesday, M ay 31, 1972iJyaistha 10, 1894 {Saka) SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY: No, Sir ; we do not propose to stop playing of National Anthem in cinema houses. It The Lok Sabha met at Eleven o f the Clock is not a fact that the National Anthem was not shown proper respect in the cinema [Mr. Speaker in the Chair] houses. In fact, during the course of these few years, this has become a habit with the people. People have got accustomed to this MEMBER SWORN thing and they are standing up and showing proper respect. Maybe in certain cases, Shri Arvindkumar Mohanlal Patel (Rajkot) some people are not showing proper respect. That does not mean that we should stop play- ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ing the National Anthem. That means they will never get a chance to learn it. Playing of National Anthem in Cinema Houses «rt ijtsfcr : 5 m w n | f a *1063 SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD % aft 37T? ft*! I ^ ^ 11 VERMA : Will the Minister of INFORMA- qpt ari?T tit | f a TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to slate : m irpr S W t ZT«nf^cr for?TT $ I *T?fV (a) whether the playing of the National Anthem in Cinema Houses is being stopped ; vr Tf*rr t fa fr^» smw f a m i and % i $ *njjqT f a tfeft in jto r &ni q * annc fa%*TT *PT faftSFT w tTT (h) if so, the reasons thereof ? I THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND « r« w : srtt arnr | f a BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY) : (a) No, Sir. iRit »r$tar ?rar *T? (b) The question docs not arise vft qml* surra «nrf : f fa gwfcr smnr : ars m fPTW^fT 11 Srfasr m 3TJ1W # srr«T% mssnr % w ft ft 3t?*ht t fa 8xicfto uratit ?T%rfT g f y &Ttit ^TcT tit W ttT T t «nff % i | fa %%nnrcf 3 Tjegta h r ^ctt | enr -m tit JT«ftf^cr fas* sft auns : f s pr I do not know whether there are any instances where this is not followed. After all, the err 3TT?rr f i firtrcr ?T^r *r *t cinema houses come under the jurisdiction ?3Tl| 3TTtT fa^TT *TUT?f r?frf?5tT of the State Governments. Already, a number of times the State Governments and fo spl'ft-TTTS % ar^^TcT 3?T*t aftsRT the Chief Secretaries of different States were * * ? ...... requested to look into this aspect. We will request them again to look into it. wsmff : «PTT 3TTT SAMAR GUHA : The hon U rn ^ttctt i w t w sprsRr *r fa ^ rr Minister said that cinema is a State subject. ^ 7$t ft f*F TT«fta ^ 53T% *TO*T a tft But thc national anthem is a Central subject. 33 *pt ^ *Ptfurar ^ r *m , arte m x arreipra; f t eft ^ t% 3 ? r $ » MR. SPFAKXR : He can make any sub- ject n Central subjcct. 5|JT^T f'PTT SfTTT ? SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I do not know SHRIMATI NANDIN1 SATPATHY : if the hon. Minis’cr ever had an occasion to In fact, as I have already said, wc want go to a cinema But it is thc experience of people to learn to show respect to National those who see cinema almost every day that Anthem. It may be that in some places they before the plav of the national anthem is are not showing proper respect. In this over, theie is a great rush towards the door connection, wc expect co operation fiom all which is very bad. This is actually an political parties and those who are responsible amusement type of patriotism. I do not for educating the masses of our country. know why only cinema houses have been selected to inject this amusement type of patriotism into our people 7 Why is it that «sft ffWtT . ^ 3fT^fn ^TTf 7% ft, srsr s w v s MR. SPEAKER : For the present, the «R 3TRIT ft 3TtT TT*fta t£T ^TTcfV ft question concerns only the cinema houses, St* -3^ OT 5T3R wfa f^rr ^ 5T*l% «R 3TT??ft apsft SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : No disrespect is shown to the national anthem 3fT% aft S50T fcttft I I WT fa%RT- anywhere. But cinema houses are places qrf % tnfotfr ^ * f t wheic all types of people congregate. It was in 1963 that this was introduced at the time fa? *r t of Chinese aggression. It was felt that people T*3% ft * % t ^ 5T*should erf srcit imbibe the spirit of national integrity and they should learn to respect the National *rcri3r * fs t w ? Anthem. This is a place where all types of people congregate and that is why this deci- SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : sion was takrn and the cinema house owners The cinema houses are expected to keep tbe were requested to show this at the end of the doors closed till th« national anthem is over. film. 5 Oral Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6 THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER of Parliament, there were umpteen people OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF going out of ihe House. I think that this is ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME veiy disrespectful. Particularly when the AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMA- house is dark and people have been sitting TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRrMATl foi a long time it ij psychologically not the INDIRA GANDHI) : As my colleague has right moment to do something like that. pointed out, this decision was taken at the time Therefore, 1 strongly recommend that it is of Chinese aggression. It v as felt that the resumed again on the All India Radio if the National Anthem should be played after Prime Minister is keen about it, but not in every function, not only after cinema shows movie houses; that is iny submission. It is now the last item of almost every programme. Playing it in cinema houses TFRT «TT«¥ : TOT docs give an opportunity to a large number of people to hear it and to know it, who WT «TT ' I 3PT tft §3TT aft* otherwise might remain unfamiliar with it. m JTtrr aft* Trcfte *rr*r This is not a matter of policy or principle. We would like more people to learn the t o w t eft ^ fcsr Pf National Anthem ; even hearing it does* enable 3T*Tff H ffift 3ftT 7TH> *|T 5T& I them to recognise the tune and the words. If ^ rfe rr far a m i * it is felt that this should not be done, the question can certainly be considered But it WTTFf ft s t a fTfft t I If mp fa te T TOT is incorrect to say that it is played for amuse- *rrg K. C. PANT) : (a) and (b). The Sup-Ins- T?r $ I *cTWT | far WTSTT pector of the Border Security Force has been I I 3TT?RT STTfffT g fa* TOT arrested and a case under Section 302 1PC (Murder) concerning the incident has been * t *rr 5**TPTcr x m : ft armr $ f f w r («IV ij* jirr) ; f t * * fa*r *r ^ ( * ) tft* («) : «T| far ‘«rcr 9 Oral Answers JYAISTHA 10.1894 (SAKA) Oral Answers 10 * r e nm sw M anfi % %, ^ 4, m?ft «?r vV rr?p q(tt 11 3fT ST^eTT | f a fatT Wt %9T ^ 3ih fsfq^P? spt 3rr«r ?t m ^R ?T ^ T ^ t sreroT 3TTeTT | , a if a ^ m % % V R -m r s t k % fa n aft § f^R t 5r*rf 3n%-grr% % A**?* tr f t f^f?T w m * fttrffar fat* |, % amrrc qr Se^FT w q r arftiT ars^r hT ^t W -frefNRf % *FT$ v n ^ srN * t ?r% 1 stft jpRq «nf^TT ^ irMt % ?rr«r 3TTcft % 3flT SF^T ^ 3T* feaftspT ftfT w r f 3fft SFrt?ft % t t faqf- «pt srtfa?* fas jten |, ^ i*r x m m m 1 1 tftsr 3n^ | I SPT, 1971 ftqf?*Nrct $ fa s 5TTT fagffTeT *TTC *ft ij*pn : «ftew *ft 3T7H ftr^rft nrnirt : w r w * ftfTOWT f?TOcT % 3TTS *$*, 1971 if | f«F WiT A.R.C’s Recommendations on ‘Personnel ^ facrtf froM i *roffarcr Administration* fa* r *rqr | ? *1066. SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA PANDEY : Will the PRIME MINISTER be «ft TTR f^9T (a) whether positive steps have been STRICT =FT 3V *!$£ 1 taken by Government to implement the recom- mendations of the Administrative Reforms SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : The Commission on ‘Personnel Administration’ ; hon. Member has congratulated the Minister and for having implemented 50 per cent of the recommendations. Docs it mean that the (b) ir not, the reasons therefor and the other 50 per cent has not been accepted by the percentage of recommendations implemented Government and if that is so, what are the so far ? reasons ? The Administrative Reforms Com- mission was constituted primarily to go through the entire gamut of administration n$ WR** aft* faum *r ttot and suggest certain recommendations. w ft (wft t t o fasrf) : ( t ) s v f k % s m m % srr* n srwr*rf?r^ gsjp- MR. SPEAKER : That is pdrt (b) of the question. arrafr fa'wfTUTt *ft fo T ifM t o % ferr 5f7?TT rarrr ft fipff far SHRI RAM NIWAS M IRDHA: The f^T TOT | l f>\Lt that the Government has taken decision on more than 50% of the recommendations does not mean that the rest of them have been re (*T) SfS»T ?rgV 33JTT I H 50 jected. The rest of them are in varying stages srFHrora ki srffcpr f*r*Tfam % * w e r n of pioccssing and vcrv soon decisions on the rcit of them als>o will be taken. 57 fo*TT P I MR Sl’LAKI R : Shri Juganndtharac qig : $ ferr *rs^ Joshi - absent *T,ft?PT f»> «T6Ui *'11 £ I Sin i Indiajit Gupta aft u r n * it t arrsrR: *rat *t ^ * t % Conti act with l.F T. of l\S A. % ??Hr | Of *rspu * TrfaF jotwt k Ztfx V[ ETSnsrfa^ aTRrJT ^ f*rc»r *1068 SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : f>m * t q;^; f«5?Tf t , s ? qr^rr SHRI RAMKANWAR : ?r^T ^*HT I f a 3 TOT % 5?P? 3 W faff f 3TT | I *T Will the Ministei of COMMUNICA- TIONS be pleased to state : STH^T *TT?m £ f a ^T ?T5r?** *nrfr**H | ?n qrrcrf^HrJT^r ®ft (a) whether Government arc aware of the VftTTT % I revelations in the U S. Press recently of In- ternational Telegraph and Telephone Corpo- ration's under cover espionage and subversive «ft tt*t fMrwi : F ffar? ^ % activities in a number of countries such as q^^Tcf s j h t V w srf^pn sttttvt ?rKft Chile ; | s rM r JTTT^tr ^ ft I (b) whether in view of the above exposure, no further extention of the contract of Indian «ft w w wt srm.? . f*m Telephone Industries with I T.T. will be sanc- f w «Pt M r t o t | afa ?fm* tioned ; and 13 Oral Answ ers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Oral Answers 14 (c) the number of I.T.T. personnel who SHRI H .N . BAHUGUNA : I appreciate have been functioning in India ? the anxiety of the hon Member, Shri Gupta and I can assure him that the Government THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- are adequately prepared and are looking into TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUN*) : the whole thing so that no such harms to (a) Government have seen the Press report** national inteiest occur. The Mmistnes of which have recently appeared on the subject. the Home Affairs, External Affairs and Communications have been in constant touch with each othci to see that nothing of this (b) The term of the collaboration Agree- type happens. ment of the Indian Telephone Industries Ltd., Bangalore, with the International Standard It is true that CIA activities of this com- Electric Corporation (a subsidiary company of pany ha\c not been disputed by that company the I.T.T. Corporation) and the Bell Tele- or authoritatively by any other person, but, phone Manufacturing Company, Belgium (a so far as we are concerned, the only purpose subsidiary of the International Standard in extention of this agreement is that the Electric Corporation) expired on the 30th technical know-how or the equipment supplied May, 1972. The extention of this agreement by the Belgians, i t ' , the B1M is substandard is likely to be formalised soon. and we are working on it dui ing the last one year and we aie still on the rectification pro- (c) In all, 21 technicians came to India. gramme. The whole thing was in the overall The details are : interest of the rectification programme which is still in hand and on account ol that, wc have decided to extend it by one year moie Year in which Employee of subject to this that we will not pay any money the technicians I T.T. BTM to the BTM in the last year as then collabora- came. Company tion fee and the only pm pose of retaining them here i* to see that the rectification pro- gramme is completed. 1964 Nil 4 I can once again assure the hon. Member 1965 Nil 6 and the House that the Government will not allow anything to happen adverse to the in- terests of the nation. 1966 Nil 3 1971 Nil 7 SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : These are important revelations. Sir, you were also 1972 (upto 1st May) 1 Nil Chairman of the Public Undertakings Com- mittee So, 1 am appealing to you Consi- der the significance of what the Minister has said It is admitted that it is a CIA agency, SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : In reply to yet it is permitted to continue functioning as part (a) I understood the Minister to say that the technical collaborator of one of our the Government has seen these reports which most vital public undertakings and whatever have appeared, I would like to know from they carried on during the last seven years him that in view of the fact that these reports during the pendency of the contract, how can have not been disputed or denied and their any investigation be held by the Government source is the same very well-known journalist, now with retrospective effect to know what Jack Anderson, who has been exposing the mischief they have already done ? CIA performances in various fields, what steps the Government are taking after the My second question is : under what pro- disclosure of these facts to safeguard our visions of the Industrial Policy Resolution national security of the vital public under- which was adopted by the Parliament, are taking against tbe possibility of subversive these companies BTM and the ISEC- both are activities rather than agreeing to extend fur* subsidiaries of the H T -an d also a British ther the period of the contracts which have company, by name, Automatic Telephone and expired. Electric Co of Liverpool allowed the function 15 Oral Answers MAY 31, 1972 Oral Answers 16 here ? Under what clause of to Industrial the biggest CIA systems. In Chile, it was Policy Resolution have these foreign private found they were tapping tbe telephones of the companies been permitted to hold shares Prime Minister and tbe President of the coun- amounting in one case to Rs 67 lakhs and in try. They were shunted out from those places. another case to Rs. 16 lakhs in a public I would like to know as to what the idea scctor undertaking ? It is an extraordinary behind all these things is Why do you in/He thing. No such thing has happened before. them for the sake of the agreement and so on ? A public sector undertaking is allowed to have Under this agreement who is to rectify whom ? over 70 or 80 lakhs of rupees wotth of shares Will they rectify themselves or will they rectify to be held by private foreign companies the CIA agents ? I would like to know whether which belongs to contain monopolistic inter* this agreement will be scrapped even at this national undertakings. How is this done ? later hour. Is it not a subversion and deliberate viola- tion of the Industrial Policy Resolution to SHRI A N. BAHUGUNA : I am not which this Government was a parly ? aware of what this House discussed in 1964 when this agreement was entered into I am not SHRI H N. BAHUGUNA : The collabo- aware of those facts right now. ration is with the subsidiary of BTM which has not been identified as in voted in the CIA SHKI S M. BANERJEE : It is there in affair. It is true that ITT has been indicated the parliamentary records. by Mr. Jack Anderson in his papers which have been published. As for the second part, I SHRI H N. BAHUGUNA : Right now, would uke to say, when the British company I am not aware of them. But one thing that entered into an agreement, it was at that time I would like to suggest here is that the ITT that they were given shareholding, which is a had the capacity to do mischief in Chile very small one, that is, 3 46 per cent of the but it does not have the capacity to do any- total share capital of the company. thing here, it was running the whole telecom- munication network in Chile ; there, they had SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Is it per about S030 workmen most of whom were cent ? Americans and they could have easily involved themselves in such subversive activities Here SHRI H N. BAHUGUNA : Yes, 3 46 there is no capacity for doit g that, even this per cent. one man whom we have here is going to go in the month of January, 1973. We shall not SHRI INDRAJIT GUPrA : Its value is permit him beyond that point of time. about 60 lakhs. Schemes for Educated Unemployed in Punjab SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA : A little more about As. 70.30 lakhs. And, so far as the *1069. SHRI RAGHUNANDAN LAL International Corporation. New York is con- BHATIA : Will the Minister of PLANNING cerned, their value of the share has been 12 7 be pleased to state : per cent. Under the Industrial Policy Resolu- tion itself what was indicated was that equity (a) the total amount allotted to Punjab participation of minority type was not prohi- to implement the scheme for providing jobs to bited. Therefore, in 1964, when this decision the educated unemployed during the year was taken by my predecessor or tbe Govern- 1971-72 ; and ment then it was, to my mind, not a violation. Of course, I say this, subject to what Shri (b) how much money has so far been Indrajit Gupta may have to say, he may have spent thereon ? something more to say on that. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Minority MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN participation was allowed in the public sector ? DHARIA) : (a) and (b). Out of a provision of about Rs. 25 crores in tbe Central Budget SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : This matter formulating various schemes specially designed was discussed here and it was repeatedly pointed to meet the problem of educated uncmpjoyed out that this foreign company had controlled Rs. 35.49 lakhs were allocated for such schemes 17 Oral Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18 to be undertaken by the Government of and actually released are given in enclosed Punjab Schemewise details of funds allocated statement Statement (Rs lakbs) Funds S. No. Ministry/Schemes Allocated Actually released 3 4 1. Ministry o f Education Improvement in the quality of Primary 2 14 214* Education 2. Ministry of Industrial Dexelopment Assistance to small entrepreneurs 30 00 3000* 3 Mtnutry of Agriculture Agro Service Centres 2 45 Nil 4. Mini sitry o f Shipping and Transport Adv-incc action on investigation of Road 0 20 ' Nil Works for 1 iflh rive Year Plan 4!. M inistry o f Health Rural Water Supply 0 70 Nil Total 35 49 32 14 ♦Artual expenditure figures are not yet available SHRI RAfiHUNANDAN LAL BHAHA *rrf : fw fa r? r zft^?rr ir In view of the fact that there is great un employment in Punjab, the sum of Rs 35 fa?r% % rtannr $ lakhs is a very meagre sum May I know from forrr TT T # the hon Minister whether the Punjab Govern- i ment have written to the Planning Minister in this regard for the increase of this amount ? 3iw«T : ^sr««rrr w m % SHRI MOHAN DHAR1A These schcmcs * ^ i * $ s m # were for the last >ear For the currcnt year, several schcmcs have been taken, and the I Punjab Government had written to us and had discussed the matter with us, and when we Experimental Work for Developing Nuclear finalised the annual plan for 1972-73, they Power Propulsion for Marine Application have been incorporated in the plan *1070. SHRI SAMAR GUHA Will the Mimstet of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased to 3 r r # # 3rrc?rr ^ tf m g % «T3rR % state (a) whether the Atomic Energy Commis- sion has undertaken experimental work for fa stf fa*nf*arer *r ^ t , srw developing nuclear power propulsion for marine application in India ; and (b) is so, the progress so far made ? MR SPFAKER The main question relates only to the total amount alfocted to the THE MINISTFR OF STATE IN THE Punjab Government MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHR| 19 Oral Answers MAY 31. 1972 Oral Answers 20 K. C. PANT) : (a) and (b). No experimental up a feasibility project for making a nuclear work for developing nuclear power propulsion propelled submarine. That was my question, marine application has been taken up so far by the Atomic Energy Commission. However, MR. SPEAKER : if you put a straight a Project Report outlining the development question, the Minister may be in a position to work involved on 'Nuclear Propulsion for answer. You start with something and and Marine Application" has been prepared. somewhere else. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : This is more or SHRI K. C. PANT : I have already less a good news, because of the fact parti- indicated precisely where the matter has been cularly we know that the nuclear submarine-.. and I have nothing to add to that, MR. SPEAKER : Let him come to the SHRI SAMAR GUHA : You have said question straight. that an outline has been prepared. Naturally the expectation is that this outline may be SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Because of the used to prepare a feasibility programme also. fact that now the nuclear submarine has the May I know whether our atomic energy advantage of avoiding frequent intake of commission is in a position to prepare such a water... project with know-how or technology and the necessary fuel ? MR. SPEAKER : Let him put his ques- tion. SHRI K. C PANT : As I said at this stage no experimental work has been done by SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I have already the BARC. A project report has been prepared said ‘In view of the fact...’. with a view to study the question. I have alieady indicated that there are certain And also in view of tbe fact that it can obvious attractions in this proposition ; it will remain under water for an indefinite period. be studied further. I would like to know from Government whether it is a fact that in view of our mastery over SHRI VISHWANTH PRATAP SINGH : reader technology, a feasibility project has been The fuel foi marine application will require drawn up by the Naval Engineering Depart- enriched uranium. If so, does this report of the ment and the Atomic Energy Engineering atomic energy commission indicate the sources Department about the application of nuclear from which we shali get enriched uranium propulsion for our Indian submarines ? because we have no provision in our country to provide enrichcd uranium. SHRI K. C. PANT : I have already said that no experimental work has been done, but SHRI K C PANT : Actually it depends a project report outlining the development upon the reactor installed It need not neces- work involved on 'Nuclear Propulsion for sarily be enriched uranium. Apart from the Marine Application* has been prepared. It is type of reactor which my hon, friend has in true that nuclear submarines enjoy certain of mind, there are other types of reactors. We these advantages. They do not need oxygen have thorium in this country which we have which is required in any combustion engine, in plenty But the technology that is being which is replaced in this case by the reactor. developed depends upon the reactor you instal. It is also true that they do not require. At replacement fuel for a long time and therefore tbe range is much wider but the cost at the Indicators for Identifying Backwad Areas moment it higher. Nevertheless advantages are definitely there and I have already indica- *1071. SHRI NAWALKISHORE SINHA : ted the work that has been done so far. Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state: SHRI SAMAR GUHA : My question has not been answered : whether the atomic energy (a) whether the Planning Commission commission and our marine engineering has prepared a set of indicators for identifying department have jointly undertaken to draw the backward areas and guidelines for the 21 Oral Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (S,4A:<4) Oral Answers 22 formulation of district plans and sent them (vii) Per capita (Rural population) gross to State Governments ; and value of agricultural output. (b) if so, what are those ? (viii) Establishments (manufacturing and repair) using electricity— THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN (a) Total. DHARIA) : (a) and (b). A statement is laid on the Table of the House. (b) Household. (c) Non-household. Statement (i x ) Number of workers per lakh of popu* (a) Yes, Sir. lation employed in registered facto- ries. (b) A list of 15 indices of development was suggested by the Planning Commission to (x) Mileage of surfaced roads— the State Governments for the purposes of identifying backward districts in the Slate. A (a) per 1000 sq miles. copy of the list is incloscd. (b) per lakh of population. In September, 1969, the Planning Com- misson issued guideline-* to the State Govern- (xi) Number of commcrcial vehicles regis- ments which indicated, mter-aHa, the lines on tered in a district. which information regarding the level, trends and potent al of development of vatious dis- (xii) Percentage of literate population— tricts should be collected and analysed. The guidelines have further indicated the steps (a) Men. involved in the preparation of District Plans and suggested forms for data collection (b) Women. (xiii) Percentage of school-going children — Indicators o f development (a) Boys. (i) Total population and density of population. (b) Girls. (ii) Number of workers engaged in agri- In age-group of (a) 6-11 years, and culture including agricultural labour- (b) 11-14 years. ers as percentage of total workers. (xiv) Number of seats per million popula* (iii) Cultivable area* per agricultural tion for technical training— worker. (a) Craftmen. (iv) Net area sown per agricultural (b) Diploma level. worker. (xv) Hospital beds per lakh of population— (v) Percentage of gross irrigated area to net sown areas. Notes (vi) Percentage of area sown more than (i) Information on all the indicators once to net sown area. other than gross value of agricultural * Includes net area sown, current fallows, fallow land othet than current fallows, culturable waste and miscellaneous tree crops and groves not included in net area sown. 23 Oral Answers MAY 31, 1972 Oral Amwers 24 output, might be furnished for 1961* of models, on what basis these plans should 62, 1962*63 and 1963*64 ; be formulated. If State plans are formulated on the basis of districts as units, it will be (ii) The gross value of agricultural out- possible to involve people more and more in put may be calculated on a three the process of participation of people in such yearly average basis for 1938-59,1959- plans. 60, 1960-61, 1961-62 and 1962-63 ; SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SINHA : NB. Agriculture comprises of agri- Keeping in view the indicators for identification culture (proper), Animal Hus- of backward districts and their development, bandry, forestry and fisheries may 1 know whether the Government propose (vide CSO letter No. Cso/NID/ to include employment of a general and techni- Sl/WG(10)/64, dated November cal nature in a particular district and also the 27, 1964 to all the States Statis- development potential of that particular dis- tical Bureaus). trict in agricultural or industrial sector for such development ? The gross value of agricultural output in each district for the major SHRI MOHAN DHARIA : The statement crops (excluding by-products) for I have laid includes all these matters about which output figures are available, agriculture, industrial labour, what is their may be estimated by using thc cor- percentage, etc. responding State average price (whole- sale price during the harvest period SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SINHA : Not or farm harvest pricc whichever is as completely as wc would like to have. being used by the SSBs for evaluating the agricultural output in connection SHRI MOHAN DHARIA : We have with State income Estimation). In given guidelines If hon. members have some the case of crops for which output suggestions, we shall certainly consider them. figures are not readily available, the value of output may be estimated on ftrorftr fa*r : sim T sft, aft % the basis of aiea under such crops and thc obscved value of output per acre 3ft grerre f o n fag R t t s t r for similar type/types of crops for f^ T T I «FT JrRVsft T # , 'TT - which data are available. Tfa?T ***? * T WTW (iii) The districts may be ranked on the | I 4 3TH?rr 5 % art Statement %f«R far tft s* ^ ra ff % srfa r m * r - vre *rro *r#f t aftr stftfar wasrraf Government’s attention has been drawn to the news story in question. It was stated fWt | ftw *r *rtfan$ in the news report that CIA is understood to anqf^V afft ft $teft t 1 if s i m r have increased its activities in the recent months in Chhotanagpur and neighbouring ^t^tt | ft % fwtT areas. The unsuccessful attempt made by far^TT Ir ar> an# tfV | to t some ptisoners of war to escape, the labour •ft w m fa*r : 3Tiq% f a (b) to (d). Do not arise. «r«rc?r? ?tct«p | a fo * w^r 7* arr^ fe* «r While on this point I would like to make (b) whether Government would announce a submission that the job of the censors is immediately declaration of famine in the only to cut certain portions of film. But affected districts of Orissa in accordance with whether a film is of good taste or not depends ‘famine code*; and on the producer of the film So, I would like the hon. members to know that it is the (c) whether emergent steps will be taken job of the film producers and I would appeal to meet the situation ? through this House to them to make more and more good films, films of good taste for the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE people of this country. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SH INDE): (a) Yes, Sir, : 3TSW The State Government was requested to report about this new item. Now the State maff * t eft «I*TT ^ T f^ , % ?t*ft fa** Government has intimated that an enquiry WTfr ft i m sms#, arfte was held in the matter and in regard to the i alleged case of cannibalism, and it has been found that one woman, whose husband abandoned her, turned mad about two years «ft q n o x&o OTfS : anarar tft, A' back. This woman has developed the habit v t f of lifting dead bodies of infants. The State s r r ^ r $ fa »nft sp fa?*ff vt Government further reported that she is availing herself of the facilities picnided by a *$t ssreft ? Red Cross free kitchcn and that the report of cannibalism is not tiue. a?ww njhw : f ?ft aftr f o rc «rr «w t r t r w a r m (b) The State Government has reported that there are no famine conditions in the ^*TTCcT ft W I State. (c) Relief measures have been undertaken «ft snr« wrafcft : anarcr aft, by the State Government and will continue to an*rtft irMV «ft mp t t t ^ t be undertaken. Central assistance for drought ^5l?r % faqr I relief measures will be provided in accordance with the prescribed procedure. «ft i*ratarqqv : apft eft *ft£ SHRI P. GANGADEB : Mr. Speaker, iftfiJS I I Sir, The statement made is not con vicing. In view of the facts which I am putting forth SHORT NOTICE QUESTION categorically and which are as follows: (a) the State of Orissa today, with its millions of Acute Shortage of Foodstuff people, is ravaged by drought and is faced In Orissa with acute famine conditions^in a number of districts in my State ; (b) what is worst and + most shocking is the report, the alarming report-.. SNQ. 6. SHRI P. OANOADEB : SHRI D. K. PANDA : MR SPEAKER : Please ask your ques- tion. Short Notice Question is like other Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be questions. There is no special procedure for pleased to state: this. Don’t depart from the accepted procedure. (a) whether Government's attention has drawn to the news item in “Times of India SHRI P. GANGADEB : Having got a (Delhi)*’ dated the 27th May, 1972 about chance.. Sir, we don't get a charce. Even 33 OraI Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Oral Answers 34 calling attention notice you have not SHRI P. GANGADEB : Lastly, whether admitted. So, please give me a chance to the people have been facing drought in the explain it a little. districts of Sambalpur, Sundargarh and Dhen- kanal in addition to tho coastal districts of (b) What is the worst and the most Balasore and Mayurbhanj as reported in the shocking is the report, the alarming report Press . . . and the horrifying instance of hunger leading to cannibalism in the District of fialasore. MR SPEAKER : Mr. Samar Cuba, does he come to you often ? (c) While, on the one hand, we have a State Government . . . SHRI P. GANGADEB : .... and if so, may I know what steps the Government MR. SPEAKER : Sorry, please. Don’t propose to take to meet the situation on a deviate from the accepted procedures. Every war footing ? time you are trying to make a speech. I know the subject is as such. But, anyhow, MR. SPEAKER : I don’t know how he please ask the question. is inspired to ask so many questions. SHRI P. GANGADEB : In view of the fact SHRI ANNASAIIEB P. SHINDE : The that on the one hand, we have a State Govern- State Government has reported that there has ment which does not wake up, nor react to been no case of cannibalism and the Govern- the situation eithsr intentionally or uninten- ment of Orissa has informed us after making tionally . . . due inquiries. If the hon. Member wants me to find out any specific information relating SHRI P. K DEO (Kulahandi) : Question. to any specific point, I am prepared to refer it to the Orissa Government again. But the SHRI P. GANGADEB : ...on the other facts are as reported to us by the Orissa hand, famine relief is technically a State Government- subject. I would like to know from the hon. Minister firstly, whether the Central Govern- Secondly, as the hon. Member himself ment wiJJ make an independent inquiry as to has submitted, drought relief is a State whether a woman in a village near Bdlasore subject. Naturally, the State Government has or near the Balasote town itself did live on to take action. It is a well-established proce- the dead when reports arc just to the con- dure for helping the State Governments by trary. the centre. As far as the specific question is concerned, namely, whether there is to be a Secondly, is the Covernment considering Central Agency, there is no such proposal at adoption of an All India Famine Code ? the moment before Government. If the Government of Orissa wants to have some Thirdly, are there any proposals to create sort of coordinating agency we will consider the proposal at the appropriate stage. a spccial agency to handle . . . MR. SPEAKER : Please ask one single SHRI P. GANGADEB : What about the connected question. Don’t ask disconnected AlModia Famine Code ? questions. MR. SPEAKER ; If you ask one question, SHRI P. GANGADEB : Are there any the Minister can answer but you have put so proposals to create a special agency to handle many questions. famine relief directly by the Centre ? And lastly .... SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : We are just awaiting the proposal of the Orissa MR. SPEAKER : Order, please. I pro- Government and in the next 2 or 3 days as pose that your supplemcntaries may be soon as the report is sent we will immediately circulated. They are too long and many- depute the ccntra! team to look into the facted questions. matter. 35 Oral Autwets MAY 31, 1972 Oral Answers 36 MR. SPEAKER : Have you finished, Mr. any reasonable doubt. The people should not Gangadeb ? be allowed to die under these circumstances. May I put to the Minister a straight question ? SHRI P. GANGADEB : Yes. Are they going to intervene immediately ? Are they going to send a Parliamentary delegation SHRI D. K. PANDA : Mr Speaker, Sir, for investigation and taking appropriate action in view of the worst famine condition and the immediately ? People are dying. Hundreds and horrors of death due to starvation which has hundreds of them are dying. This is happening assumed already the nature of a national in my own constituency. What is to be done, calamity especially in 5 districts such as Bala* Sir, if the Centre does not intervene ? sore, Cuttack, Kenihore, Dhenkanal and Mayurbhanj, which can be separated from the MR. SPEAKER : Kindly calm down other 9 districts which are in distress, consi- before the Minister replies. dering that in these 5 districts, the famine condition has assumed such unimaginable SHRI ANNASAHEB P SHINDE : About proportions that one lady in village Multa in cannibalism, 1 have already made a statement Chandvali Panchayat Samiti ate human flesh-.. earlier. On the basis of the enquiry made by the Orissa Government, we have got certain SOME HON. MEMBERS : Shame, Shame. information to which I have already referred to. The Central team which will be visiting SHRI D. K. PANDA : This is the posi- Orissa in the near future. As far as the food tion and reports have come in the papers. situation is concerned, in the country as a There have been several representations. In whole, the food situation is very comfortable view of these facts, {Interruption) I am com- and this has never been so in the past before. ing to the question...(Interruption) In view of Theiefore, there should be no difficulty to meet the memorandum which was submitted by the all the requirements of the Orissa Government. Congress people in Orissa and the Communist Only yesterday, the representative of Orissa Party, together, on 10-3-72, and in view of the Government had some discussions with us and second memorandum which was submitted on we are prepared to meet all the requests of the 14*4*72, reporting about the death due to Orissa Government. starvation and the third one which was sub- SHRI D. K. PANDA : Is the Govern- mitted by Shri Rajeshwar Rao, Secretary of ment going to send a Parliamentary delegation the Communist Party, to the Prime Minister, to assess the situation 7 Is the Government with copy to the Agriculture Ministry, in view going to declare that area as a famine area ? of all these things, in view of all these facts, (Interruption) may I put it to the Minister ; is it not a fact that 20 lakhs of people are afTected in these MR. SPEAKER : Don’t try to create districts due to worst starvation conditions ? heat and excitement. If you ask a question in What is the type of action that they are a sober manner, in a calm manner, if you put taking ? Sir, these are all the things that they a straight question, that would be much more are eating. These things should be seen by the effective. hon. Minister. 1 may be permitted to place these on the Table of the House. {Interrup- SHRI D. K. PANDA : Under these cir- tion) cumstances, I want to know whether they are going to do this or not... MR. SPEAKER : I am not going to allow. MR. SPEAKER : You get so much excitcment that you get lost in it. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Poisonous herbs are being taken by them. In view of these things, SHRI D. K. PANDA : Why not a parlia- 1 want to know whether the Government is mentary delegation go there ? Every party is going to play its role, its constitutional res- shouting. This is the reality of the situation. ponsibility which is embodied in List III, Item 23 of the Concurrent list, where there is food scarcity, where there is famine, they have to SHRI P. K. DEO -rose. intervene. That the State Government has MR. SPEAKER : He represents the failed miserably has been brought out beyond Government there. 37 Oral Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Ora/ Answers 38 SHRI P. K. DEO : In view of the collu- SOME HON. MEMBERS : No. sion of the Congress Party and the CPI in maligning us and the non-Congress Govern- SHRI PILOO MODY : If you are said ments... to be a produce of foreign agency, would you like it ?...{Interruptions.) SHRI PILOO MODY : Well done... SHRI P. K. DEO : This is admitted by SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I withdraw the them. Rajeshwar Rao’s statement is full of word ‘murderer’. contradictions. This gets publicity in the Times which is controlled by the Govern- o f India SHRI PILOO MODY : You should ment of India... explain to him that there is no withdrawal SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I rise on a from merder ; it is a final act. point of order. MR SPEAKER : He has withdrawn it. MR. SPEAKER : I am standing. May I So far as the word ‘feudal’ is concerned, I request you to sit down ? It would be much think it has come to acquire a meaning which better if no heat in generated. I know you rep- is a bad as an abuse. resent a party which is ruling there, in Orissa. And, that places still more responsibility on SHRI R. S PANDEY : It is objection- you to put the question in a sober manner. able to say that a Member is a child ; he is father of so many children (Interruptions) SHRI S. M. BANERJFE : I rise on a point of order. SHRI P. K DEO : It is a serious matter which cannot be treated so lightly. Three ques- MR. SPEAKER : Normally we don’t tions ari»‘ out of the statement of the Secretary allow points of orders during Question Hour. of the Communist Party...{Interruptions) SllRl P. K DEO : Let me put a SHRI S M. BANERJEE : Please allow question. me to lay it on the Table of the House -the statement of the Communist Party Let him MR. SPEAKER : No points of orders lead that statement and search him own during Question Hour. heart. SHRI P. K. DEO : You called me. Sir, I am going to put the question. Then somebody MR. SPEAKER : It is not a general else gees up... debate going on ; lie need not refer to all that now. SHRI S. M BANERJEE : You feudal, you murderer, you maharaja... SHRI P. K. DEO : Three controversies have been raised in the statement. Firstly, SHRI PILOO MODY : I take strong cannibalism - that has been denied and the objection to irresponsible children losing their lady, according to the telex message a copy temper and using words which they should not of which has been leceived by the Minister be using. What does he mean by : you fuedal, developed the habit much before the last cyc- you murderer, you rajah ? What does he mean lone Regaiding starvation deaths, the Gover- by saying all this. This is collusion, we are nor himself has gone to the spot, to each and talking about, incidentally, if you want any every case and he has denied it. The third demonstration. What docs he think he is ? charge is that the social fabric is crumbling. You should throw him out of the House. He has meniioned that Brahmins have been forced to work in test relief work. We have MR. SPEAKER : It is not fair to use had enough of Brahminish in the country for this language. centuries. Right from Mrs. Indira Gandhi, Nandini Satpathy, Chintamani Panigrahi to SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I will use only Banerjee, Mukeijee and D. K. Panda, we have two words—feudal, which he is ..(Interrup- Brahminism and we have had enough of it in tions ) He in the product of feudalism. this country (Interruptions) 39 Oral Answers MAY 31,1972 Oral Answers 40 SHRI PILOO MODY : It is a crime for prepared to supervise the State relief machi- a Brahmin to do manual labour ? nery of Orissa by appointing a special officer or group of officers, so that large-scale mis- SHRI P. K. DEO : He brings out a state* use of relief funds may be avoided and all ment like this. Wili you kindly read that ? sections of the people may get a fair deal ? SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : As SHRI PILOO MODY : The caste-ridden is well known to the House, drought relief communists do not know what the dignity of is entirely a State subject according to our labour is. Constitution. There is no question of having a separate machinery for supervision. When SIIRI P. K. DEO : I want to make this the central teams go, they will look into the submission. The Government of India can items eligible for expenditure. abdicate its responsibility. It is not a State subject ; it comes under entry 97 in List I, MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Mody, kindly under residuary powers. Under these circum- have some regard for the decorum of the stances, when Orissa Government has made a House. Why don’t you sit quiet ? Why do demand of Rs. ISO crorcs for long-tenn relief you behave like this ? There should be some and Rs. 40 crores For short-term relief, only limit. Rs. 23 crores have been given. If they are keen to meet the situation squarely, will the Govern- SHRI PILOO MODY : I want to ask ment of India take the responsibility on their a question. own shoulders and sanction these amounts of Rs. 150 crores and Rs. 40 crores for long-term MK. SPEAKER : Don’t try to mock, and short "term relief respectively ? SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI : I SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : There am not going to repeat the things that have is no question of the Government of India been said. We are also ashamed of things getting out of its respensibility. In fact, we happening there in Orissa Mr. P K. Deo have faced more difficult situations in other has no shame left in him. Stales But there is an well-established proce- dure. I wanted to avoid certain controversial issues. The O'issa Government conveyed to SHRI P K DFO : You should protcct us that they have taken a decision on 10th me, Sir. He calls me shameless. You should May that they would be sending a request to pull him up. the Centre for sending a central team We are SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI : still awaiting that request. The Orissa Govern- When the Orissa Government has asked for ment has not yet sent it. As soon as the a ccntral team to s.tudy the latest drought request is received, we will see that immedia- conditions there which have caused a number tely a central team is deputed. We would not of starvation deaths, etc , when the central like any party politics to come in the way of team goes there, what is the total amount of relief when millions of people are suffering. We foodgrains which the Central Government has will take all necessary steps. released from its foodgrains pool in stock, so that it reaches the people in those scarcity- SHRI ARJUN SETHI: The State Govern- affectcd areas ? The Central Government ment has denied that nobody has been eating had instructed the State Government to open human flesh or anything else and there have a large number of fair price shops so that the been no starvation deaths. With your permis- people in the scarcity areas can get rice at sion, Sir, I can show you so many photographs Rs. 1.10, instead of at Rs. 1.40 or 1.50 which to prove the alarming conditions now prevailing is beyond the purchasing power of the people. there... Have the government checked up whether an equal number of fair price shops have been MR. SPEAKER : I am not allowing it. opened by the State Government ? My If you persist. 1 will ask you to sit down, knowledge is that they have not done so. MR. SPEAKER : I am not concerned SHRI ARJUN SETHI : May I know with your knowledge ; I am concerned with whether the Government of India is now your question. Ask your question. 41 Oral Answers JYAISTHA 10. 1894 (SAKA) Oral Answers 42 SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: cannot provide subsidised food. Central When Rajasthan was faced with a very assistance is available for that. difficult drought situation in the past, the Central Government had deputed a special officer to coordinate relief work there. Will • *xr the government consider sending a special officer to Orissa to see that all the lelief lis rc ^ t o as sfaf % sm & operations are properly carried out in view of the calamity that has be fallen Orissa ? wff wr I ? apfr a* | fa TOsrcrscr ij sRiar SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : As % focr q*TT I 3fk S&faq far as deputing a Central team is concerned, as soon as a formal request is received we will take quick action As far as the availa- ? *rr x f i m m v i x «Pt *f$t mrr $ far bility of food is concerned, in Orissa at ar?T sfrft 3T5TT3T tfta* present they have a stock of 1,80,000 tonnes of both wheat and rice. They have asked for x m wt ? release of 35,000 tonnes. There will be no difficulty in supplying that. About fair price SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : shops, on our suggestion they have opened a What is required to be done under such very large number of fair price shops, accord- circumstances is this. There are two cate- ing to the information furnished to us by the gories of persons, firstly, of invalid and old Orissa Government. Since the hon Member persons, children, etc. For them, gratuitous has made a suggestion, we will check up relief is available. Gratuitous relief is being whether there is any need to have additional provided to them. I know, at the moment, fair price shops in that area. The foodgrains 1 million people are being fed every day. As made available at a controlled price. fas as the persons who can do physical work, what is to be done is to provide physical work SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : A to them. We have brought it to the notice question was asked by Shri Ganga Deb of the Orissa Government. They should whether Government have any proposal to undertake test relief works. But the detailed change the Famine Code, which we have arrangements will have to be made by the inherited from the British days. Have they State Government. The State Government got the capacity to sanction any amount of is aware that all these items are entitled to money or any amount of foodgrains asked by Central assistance. We have now so much any State Government ? Is it not a fact that experience of facing these calamities that because of the bureaucracy and red-tape I do not think with the cooperation of the there is no proper distribution and whenever Central Government and the State Govern- foodgrains are required because of distress, ment there should be any difficulty to meet the foodgrains do not reach the people in the situation adequately. time ? Now there is a serious drought in West Bengal but the fair price shops are not SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : While asking being supplied with sufficient stocks. After a supplementary, the hon. Member, Shri P. K. some months when there will be floods, Sir, Deo, referred to a memorandum submitted you will be astonished to know, drought relief by Shri Rajeshwar Rao, General Secretary of will be given. In view of all this, are they the Communist Party of India. I would like going to change the system of giving relief ? to know from the hon. Minister whether it is a fact that on 10th March, 1972, a memo- SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : randum enclosing the list of those 98 persons This question has been answered a number who died of starvation was submitted to the of times. Famine code is a State subject and Prime Minister and also to the Minister of we have requested the State Governments, Agriculture and, if so, what action has been including Orissa, from time to time to revise taken on the suggestions made in this particu- their Famine Codes. But they do not come lar memorandum. in the way of giving relief. Among the various items of Central relief, one is subsi- SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : dised food. Even if the State Government About the starvation deaths, the Orissa 43 Oral Answers MAY 31,1972 Written Answers 44 Government bave specifically denied that there hon. Member or anybody else is free to have are any starvation deaths...... (IntertUpiion) his own views in regard to these matters. 1 do not think the Government of India should SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I have got express any opinion on it. the list here. SHRI JAGANNATH RAO : May I SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : know what is the amount the Government of Why don't you allow me to complete my Orissa has asked for test relief works, for reply ? drought relief, and what is the amount that has been sanctioned by the Central Govern* ment ? First of all, the Orissa Government has supplied to us the information that they have enquiied about 29 specific cases and they have SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : So said that there have been no starvation deaths far, an amount of Rs. 25 crores ceiling has and that those people have died as a result of been prescribed. Roughly, Rs. 19 crores old-age ... (Inter rup, ion) have been released. We are awaiting the request from the State Government again for additional assistance. MR SPEAKER : The question was very simple. I do not think there was any need to side-track it. He asked whether the Prime Minister and the Minister of Agriculture received a memorandum along with the list WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS which he is referring to. You say, yes or no. 3nvT5i*m> w j x m v n SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : A memorandum has been received. «f a MR. SPEAKER : That is all. * 1061. iftfw r : w r g'arcr aftr srcmro ^ i?tt i r f t SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : He refer ted to starvation deaths and I wanted f r : to say something about that. Otherwise, they will again say, I am not saying about («f ) w armsrarro) % sto ra fo r % that. About the other cases, we will refer it srsnw *ft*rr efar affa wifta to the Orissa Government. I cannot give information of my own. It is necessarily ®FT qftf STFTI* through thc State Government to get the information. We will refer the specific cases (^) sfc |t, eft arra to thc State Government. w t f ; aftr SHRI PILOO MODY : Sir, the memo* randum that has been just referred to by (it) 5% w ctv Mr. S. M. Banerjee and others has made three charges. One of the charges is under the heading “ Social Fabric is Stumbling" and it says that the Brahmins have been forced to <5(ViT aftr smTT*r If ttsrt work in test relief works. Am I to take it that Brahmins are exempt from all works ? nmt) : (v). aft, i It says very clearly. Is this also one of the em fa ^ sifto *?t 20 charges that Mr. Rajeshwar Rao. General Secretary of the Communist Party of India, frwtarc 100 v k & is levelling against the Government of Orissa tftTO art % *p r *teT and, if so, what it the opinion of the Central fo r % 8F*T 3TTWT * t *ft S5TO ^t*TT ? Government regarding this chatge ? SHRI ANNASAHFB P. SHINDE : Tbe {m ) aftr (»r)f s t r 4i Written Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) WrittenAnswers 46 Price ol Jeeps Industrial Development of Tamil Nadu *1062. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : Will *1073. SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI : the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- MENT be pleased to state : LOPMENT be pleased to state : (a) whether there has been an increase (a) whether Tamil Nadu is the only State in the prices of jeeps during last two years ; where for the last fifteen years there has been and very limited number of industries opened ; (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? (b) if so, whether in spite of the availa- THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL bility of raw material in the State, the DEVELOPMENT (SHRI MOINUL HAQUE industries are not being set up in that State ; CHOUDHURY): (a) Yes, Sir. and (b) The reasons for increase in prices (c) whether Tamil Nadu is very much have been attributed to increases in the prices lacking in the industrial sphere in comparison of components and raw materials, rise in the to other States V labour costs and increase in Government levies. THE MINISTER OI INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT (SHRI MOINUL HAQUE CHOUDHURY) : (a) to (c). In Tamil Nadu jfanf s m piogrcss in the field of industrialisation has «PR % fa* fa % fatr been very substantial and more satisfactory then in most other stales. At ll>e end of I%1, ^ n f irataTf there were 3,(00 small scale units; this number * 1067. anrwrwnw arhsft- has increased to 25,190 at the end of 1971. During the period 1951 to 1971, 1260 industrial f»I* ^ f>,TT ^ fa : licences were granted to Tamil Nadu, which amounts to 9 9% of the total number issued («ff) ®Vt *FR % in the country, giving Tamil Nadu the third highest place amongst the States During the 5 T T ^ STTf ?R ^ R 3FJ- period 1967-1971, the number of letters of ^rfrT % fa sft tit f a M STT^rfT intent issued to Tamil Nadu was 138, which ST'TTS »Ti ; amounts to 6.3% of the total number issued and gives Tamil Nadu the sixth place amongst the States. (**) fa q faaffft far%i?ft w spt nt; afk The Centre has invested a substantial amount in the industrial and mineral projects (*t) w sw r fa^ tit fa ^ ft of the State During the period li'31-1969, an amount of Rs. 285.4 crores has been invested *rcft?rf % * t i x fasrrcrata | afft v * in Central projects looated in the State facFft fcfcft gsrr ^tnt ? amounting to 9.9% of the total Central invest* ments in the country, and giving Tamil Nadu afartfa* fopro ifoft («ft **tgw the fifth place amongst the States. •wtatf) : (*) aftr («r). *R^rc * In an effort to utilize local material and v rrf % «Fn% % fat* *rrt?f?r st t ^ j resources a steel project is shortly to be set up tit far^ft 5BTT «T$ in the State and only recently the Madras Refinery has gone on stream. | afk ^ ^ fatft s t v it aft arpTf^f ^ 1 1 There are a number of very important industries in Tamil Nadu, such as railway coaches, automobiles, trucks, teleprinters, («T) «FWrjft8TTT*Rft?T^3rmT?r^T%«FT fertilizers, high pressure boilers, rubber and irem* ?rwrR * m *r$f v w t % ? surgical instruments etc. which play a signifi- 41 Written Answers MAY 31,1975 Written Answers 48 cant role in developing and supplementing the be pleased to state : industrial economy of the country as a whole. (a) whether Government’s attention has been drawn to a report captioned “Scooter Booklet “The Ugly American in Madras” Manufacture in Public Sector" published in tbe Patriot of 7th May, 1972, and *1075. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (b) if so, the reaction of Government pleased to state : thereto ? (a) whether Government’s attention has THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL been drawn to a booklet entitled “The Ugly DEVELOPMENT (SHRI MOINUL HAQUE American in Madras” published and circulated CHOUDHURY) : (a) and (b). The in 1971 by the Madras Regional Centre, the Government have taken due note of contents Indian School of Social Science, 6-B, Sullivan’s of the report appearing in the Patriot of 7th Garden Road, Madras-4 ; and May. 1972. (b) if so, Government’s reaction Bogus Money Orders thereto ? *1079. SHRI AMAR NATH CHAWLA : Will the Minister of COM- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MUNICATIONS be pleased to state : MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI K. C. PA N T): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether the Central Bureau of Investigation has unearthed a gang of cheats, (b) Government keeps a continuous who used to issue bogus money orders of watch on activities of all foreign agencies high amount and then collect their proceeds which seek to influence our educational or in Calcutta ; other institutions. (b) the particulars of the persons Creation of Zonal Councils arrested in this connection ; *1077. PROF. NARAIN CHAND (c) whether some persons of (he Postal PARASHAR : Will the Minister of HOME Department or any other Government Depart- AFFAIRS be pleased to state : ment weic also involved in it ; and (a) whether it is proposod to constitute (d) if so, the particulars thereof and the Zonal Councils on the pattern of the one action taken against them ? constituted for tbe North Eastern Region for the rest of the country ; and THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) (b) if so, whether the Members of On receipt of certain money orders Parliament from the respective States will be for payment, the staff of Park Street Post associated with such Councils ? Office .(Calcutta) suspected their genuineness and after verification these were found to be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE bogus. The matter was reported to the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI C.B.I who unearthed the gang of cheats. K. C. PANT) : (a) and (b). Zonal Councils already exist for groups of States and Union (b) to (d). 1. Shri Jyotirmoy Das, territories in the rest of the country. It is Clerk, Joynagar Mozulpur Post Office not proposed to make any change in their (Calcutta). present pattern. 2. Shri Suresh Ch. Das, U.D. Clerk, Heavy Engineering Corporation, Calcutta. Scooter Manufacture in Public Sector 3. Shri Ramesh Ch. Das, Clerk Regional *1078 SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will ihe Provident Fund Commissioner’s Office, Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT Calcutta. 49 Written Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 50 4. Shri Khagendra Ch Chowdhury, Sub (b) whether Government have also Inspector Baranagore Rationing Office. provided financial assistance to certain Government of West Bengal. companies; and 5. Shri Ashutosh Ghosh (Outsider). (c) if so, the amount of assistance provided ? Action under appropriate disciplinary rules has been initiated against the postal clerk THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE mentioned at item (1) above. Nature of MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- action taken/proposed to be taken against MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 3 employees of other departments mentioned (a) During the period from 1.1.1971 to at items 2 to 4 above is not known. Police 31.3.1972 ten industrial licences were issued investigation is in progress. for setting up of new industries in Gujarat. Details of industrial licences issued are regularly published in the “ Weekly Bulletin of Assistance to Freedom Fighters during Silver- Jubilee Celebrations of Independence Industrial Licences, Import Licences and Export Licences", the ‘ Weekly Indian Trade *1080 SHRI P. NARASIMHA Journal’’ and the monthly “Journal of REDDY : Will the Minister of HOME Industry and Trade” . Copies of these AFFAIRS be pleased to state : publications arc supplied to Parliament Library. (a) whether Government have recognised the need to restore properties or to suitably (b) and (c). Government assistance to compensate Freedom Fighters or their legal private sector industries is generally given heirs who have suffered as a result of confis- thiough the public financial institutions. No cation or auctioning of their properties due to central record of the assistance given theii paiticipation in the freedom struggle; company-wise to the holders of the various and licences/letters of intent is being maintained. (b) if so, the steps taken in this regard Invention for Reducing Consumption of dining this Silver-Jubilee year of our Fuel in Cars Independence ? 8039. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MENT be pleased to slate : K. C. PANT) : (a) and (b). Government recognize the need of assisting those who (a) whether Government are aware that suffered in the struggle for freedom and have an Indian scientist perfected an invention of accordingly formulated a scheme of pension to effecting economy in Fuel and of improving deserving freedom fighters commencing from the quality of exhaust and claimed to reduce the 25th anniversary of our independence. It substantially carbon monoxide for the car is not practicable for Government to restore exhaust and air pollution and was granted an property that was confiscated or auctioned. award of Rs. 5000 ; However, State Governments give such assistance in this regard as is found possible, (b) if so, whether any experiment has been conducted on the device ; and Issue of Licences for setting up new Companies in Gujarat (c) whether Government propose to acquire the device and make its use on all 8038. SHRI VEKARIA : Will the motor vehicles compulsory ? Minister oflNDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (a) the names of the persons to whomMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : licences to set up new companies in Gujarat (a) Government are aware that a gadget has have been granted in 1971-72 ; been developed by an Indian inventor which 51 Written Answers MAY 31,1972 Written Answers 52 results in fuel economy. The inventor has MATION AND BROADCASTING be been given an award of Rs. 5,000 by the pleased to state : Inventions Promotion Board. The device has been patented in India and abroad. (a) whether there is any statutory bar on granting loans to the members of the Film (b) The information is being collected Finance Corporation to enable them to turn and will be laid on the Table of the House into film producers ; later. (b) whether a similar bar exists in regard (c) No such proposal is under the to holding of membership of the corporation consideration of the Government. and membership of other bodies which is constituted by the Central Government/State Creation of a Scientists Pool of Indian Governments which deals with films ; Technicians Staying Abroad (c) if so, the manner in which these rules 8040. SHRI MARTAND SINGH : Willare being followed and the number of cases the the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNO- rules have been violated and the reasons for LOGY be pleased to state : the same ; and (a) whether there was a scheme of creat- (d) the total amount of money that has ing a Scientists’ Pool mostly from technicians been given to the members of Film Finance staying abroad ; Corporation during the last three yeais for producing films who had not previous experi- (b) if so, how many Scientists are on the ence in the line and how much of the loan list at present: and amount remains to be paid back ? (c) what type of work is being entrusted to THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE them ? MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND THE MINISTER OF PLANNING AND BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR MINISTER OF DEPARTMENT OF SCIENCE SINHA) : (a) A sitting member of the Board AND TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRA- of Directors of the Film Finance Corporation MANIAM) : (a) The Scientists’ Pool scheme is not entitled to get loans from the Corpora- was instituted by the Government of India in tion for production of films. October, 1958 for temporary placement of well qualified scientists, engineers, techologists and (b) So far as the Film Finance Corpora- medical personnel, returning from abroad tion is concerned no such bar exists. without assured employment in India. Well qualified scientists etc. who had nut been (c) and (d). The rules are being strictly abroad are also eligible for the Scientists’ followed and there has been no violation. No Pool. sitting member of the Board of Directors has been advanced loans. (b) Since its inception, 8,469 persons were selected to the Scientists' Pool. Of them, 388 were working as Pool Officers as on 1.4.1972 Use of Atomic Technology for Peaceful Purposes attached to various organisations in India. (c) Persons selected to the Pool are 8042. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will attached to appropriate organisations. The the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased user organisations assign duties, such as— to state ; research, teaching, design, development, pro- duction, or clinical work, etc. depending on (a) the names of countries with which their qualifications and experience. India has entered into bilateral agreements for cooperation in the use of atomic technology Loans to Members of Film Financc for peaceful purposes. Corporation 8041. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- (b) the nature of assistance India has JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of INFOR. received under these agreements and how far 53 Written Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 54 we have succeeded in applying this technology private person who is either sharing accom- in different fields ; and modation with the allottee or the sub-lettee ; (c) whether the Atomic Energy Com- (b) if not, the reasons therefor ; mission is giving technical assistance to any other country for the development and use (c) the number of cases in Sectors VII and of atomic technology, if so, thc details VIII in R K, Puram where private business thereof ? executives have got telephones installed at quarters sub let by them ; and THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF (d) whether Government propose to issue ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME some instructions making it incumbent to get AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMA- Government’s piior sanction for installation TION AND BROADCAST ING (SHRI- of a telephone in a Government quarter sub- MATI INDJRA GANDHI) : (a) The let by these business executives to prevent such names of countries with which India has malpractices ? current bilateral agreements for collaboration in the field of peaceful uses of atomic energy THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- are Afghanistan, Balgium, Bra^l, Canada, TIONS (SHRI H.N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) to Czechoslovakia. Denmark, France, Federal (d). While installing the telephones in any Republic of Germany, Hungary, Philippines, premises Government or otherwise the P & T Romania, United Arab Republic, USA and Department doss not normally ask for USSR permission of the landlord to be produced. In case, however, while verifying the bonafides (b) thc terms of thc collaboration agree- at the time of installation it is found that the ments vary fiom country to country. There applicant for whom the telephone has been are general collaboration agreements which sanctioned is not in occupation of thc pre- usually provide for exchange of fellowships, misrs, the telephone installation is refused and exchange of unclassified information, exchange in such cases until the applicant can prove of visits of scientists etc. Besides, there are that he is in authorized occupation of the thc special agreements with government premises, the telephone is not installed. In abroad and commercial agreements which cases where the telephones have been installed provide for technical collaboration and assis- and subsequently a complaint is received from tance in thc development of India’s pio- the landlord of the telephone having been grammcs in the field of nuclear energy details opened for an unauthorized occupant, thc of which are contained in the Annual Reports subscriber concerned is asked to prove that he of the Department which are circulated to thc is an authorized occupant. In case of his Honourable Members and copies of which failure to do so, thc telephone is disconnected. are available in the Parliament Library. The landlord in case of Government Quarters in R.K. Puram is the Estate Officer, No (c) Yes, Sir. This assistance is in the complaints have been received from this nature of grants of fellowships for training in Officer regarding any telephones having been India, supply of equipment on loan and provided in Sector VII and VII in R K. exchange of scientific visits. Puram for unauthorized occupants. In the absence of any complaint from Estate Officer, Telephone in Government Quarters in the tho question or Communication Ministry Name of Private Persons taking any action as proposed in Para (d) does not arise. 8043. SHRI ISHAQ SAMBHALI : Will tbe Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Panels for Promotion to Selection Grade pleased to refer to tbe reply given to Un- of Central Secretariate Service starred Question No. 5377 on 8th May, 1972 regarding sub-letting of quarters in R.K. Puram 8044. SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA: New Delhi and state : Will the PRIME MINISTER bo pleased to state : (a) whther Government's permission is necessary for the installation of a telephone (a) whether the panels for promotion to in a Government quarter/flat/bungalow by a the Selection Grade of tbe Central Sccretaiat 55 Written Answers MAY 31, 1972 Written Answers 56 Service were issued during the past 3 years ; officers for promotion to the Select Grade of and the Service for a particular year is to be finalised and issued by the end of that year. (b) if not, the reasons for the repeated delays in the issue of these panels and the Functions of the Central Kstablishment Board and the Departmental Promotion measures taken by the Government to ensure Committee issue of Select Lists before the elose of each year? 8046. SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN No. 7726 on the llth August, 1971 regarding THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL the Departmental Promotion Committee and (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) and (bj. state : Select Lists for promotion to the Selection Grade of the Central Secretariat Service for (a) the functions petformed by the Central the last three years were issued on 22nd April Establishment Board for sponsoring the names 1970, 28th October, 1971 and llth April 1972. of Officers for appointment to the post of The finalisation of the 1970 Select List had Deputy Secretaiy and above in the Central been rather delayed because it took time to Government and the functions of a Depart- fix the strength of the Select List, in amending mental Promotion Committee ; tbe regulations laying down the composition of (he Selection Committee and the time taken (b) whether the Central Establishment by the latter in considering all the cases Boaid does not function as a Departmental within the zone of consideration, Govern- Promotion Committee for promotion of ment have since laid down a time scheduled Central Services Class I Ofliccrs for promotion for preparation and issue of such Select to higher grades within Class I, but it func- Lists. tions as a Departmental Promotion Committee for promotion of Class I Central Sccietariat Preparation of Sulcct List for Promotion Service Officers for Selection Grade of the to the Selection Grade of Central Scrvicc (Piomotion within Class I) ; and Secretariat Service 8045. SHRt DINEN BHATTACHARYYA: (c) if so, the reasons for having two Will the PRIME MIN1STLR be pleased to different roles of the Establishment Board and refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question for the discrimination in the case of Central No. 7725 on the llth August, 197J regarding Secretariat Service Officers only ? panel for promotion to Selection Grade posts of Central Secretariat Service and state the time THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE schedule laid down by Government foi the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN preparation of Select Lists for promotion to THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL the Selection Grade of the Central Secretariat (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) The Service ? functions of the Central Establishment Board are to make recommendations for the selection THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and appointment to all posts and above the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN rank of Under Secretary but below the rank THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL of Joint Secretary to the Government of India (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : According and all other non-Secrctariat posts similar in to the promotion Regulations, a fiesh Select List rank when it is proposed to appoint thereto for the Selection Grade of the C.S S. is to officers of All India Services, Central Secre- be prepared every year if on the 1st July tariat Services and other feeder Services, of the year the number of officers already having regard to the merits, claims and avail- included in the Select List or that Grade is ability of all such officers in the field of below the strength fixed for the fresh Select choice for any particular vacancy. List. Necessary action to prepare the Select List is generally initiated each year in the The functions of Departmental Promotion month of July. As per the time schedule Commitce are to assess the merit of officers laid down last year the Select List of C.S S. of a patticular Service to which a particular 57 Wri'ten Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 58 Departmental Promotion Committee relates consideration to bring Cuddapah District also who are in the field of selection, and to make under Rural Industries Projects programme its recommendations in regard to the officers in the current year itself ? considered suitable for promotion/inclusion in the Select List for tbe grade for which THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE such a List is prepared. MINISTRY OP INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : (b) No, Sir. (a) Under the Programme initiated in 1962-63, three projects were taken up in (c) Docs not arise. Andhra Pradesh in the districts of Anantopur, Nalgonda and Guntur. The coverage of the Rural Industries Project Programme in A.P. programme at that time was limited to 5-6 C.D. Blocks in each district. However, 8047. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY:from the 1st April, 1971 the coverage has been Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- extended to cover each district in its entirety LOPMENT be pleased to state : but excluding towns and villages with popula- tion above 15,000. (a) the names of the Distncts in Andhra Pradesh biought under Rural Industries Pro- In 1971-72 a new Rural Industries Piojcct ject' programme ; has been sanctioned in Karimnagar district for close coordination with the pilot Rural lb) the progress of work done in carrying Electric Cooperative Project located in that out the various tasks assigned to them in each of District. the above districts, since the»r inception ; and (b) The progress adncved upto the 31st (c) whether theie is any proposal under Maich, 1971, is given below : — No. of units and Name of No of Employ- Types of Industries set up the amount of the units ment Ciedit facilities Distt. provided opport- provided by the financial unities Stale Bank of assistance created ' India (Pciirons) | No of Amount Units Rs. in 1 lakhs i 1. Anant- 548 4,0000 Polythene bags, packing material, paper 324 9.73 pur bags, expanded metals, Pesticides and insecticides, agriculture implements, ready-made garments, footwear, safety matches, bakery, etc. 2. Nalgonda 1301 Not Forest besed industries, animal hus- 1731 10.90 available bandry based industries, engineering and allied industries, building materials, ceramic industries, agricultural processing industries and chemical industries etc. ?. Guntur 3728 6S2I Forest based industries, animal husban- 392 16 00 (Narsar- dry based industries, textile based indust- aopet) ties, building material, ceramic and engi- neering and Allied Industries etc 59 Written Answers MAY 31, 1972 Written Answers 60 4. Karimnagar District, This Rural fofta trgorni sjrt % % Industries Project has been initiated in 1971-72. The preliminary work, such as conducting of a rm tcchno-cconomic surveys of the District and drawing up of development programme, 8049. «ft TPKT^r : considering the potentials of infrastructure •ft TTOTTTO ffTWft ; facilities like power likely to be generated by the Pilot Rural Electric Cooperative Scheme has been taken up. f a : (c) For thc Fifth Plan three new Rural Industries projects have been allocated to the ( ^ ) w t frsfta WRT State. The final selection of the districts will be decided on the recommendation of the % ST«pT 2PT $f TO faj* % fotr w ftk State Government. % farcr SRT armfcRT 5T$f ^ aftr TTg-rfzmq- gRT fftw?T Allowances diawn by Members of Families of % arr«TR 8048. SHRI HEMENDRA SINGH (**) ?r, 5ft WT SPTTWT t ? BANERA : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to ?tatc : jpr-q-’g r m w n v t Tw Oto pt % r m *T5ft (tft Tmf fa«rf) : (^fr) sft (a) whether a number of members of the former Rulers families have been receiving *sft*rrrT i a r p r c % life-time allowances from the State Goveen* ^ 0 * % for* «R*f! % ments under separate settlements, which were erf 3rr*rff^?T ^ »r$ q>*r? It, not part of thc privy purse, if so, the names of such person ; *r»r sft, m i i (b) whether thc payment of these life-time allowances are also affected by the Constitution (*j) Snf?T JTSt 355TT I (26th Amendment) Act, 1971 ; and P & T Officers on Deputation to ITI. Naini (c) if so, the steps Central Government have taken to advise the State Governments to resume such payments. 8050 SHRI S. N. MISRA : Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstjrred ques- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tion No. 4132 dated 2‘ th April, 1972 regarding MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Officers of thc P & T Department taken on K. C. PANT) : (a) Some members of the deputation to the ITI Unit, Naini and to families of former Rulers have been receiving state : allowances from the State Governments. The names of such family members are being collec- (a) the qualifications technical and profes- ted and will be placed on the table of the sional and the expertise of the officers menti- House when received. oned in the statement laid on the Table ; and (b) and (c). The Constitution (Twenty- (b) the difficulties which lie in tbe way of Sixth Amendment) Act, 1971. has no direct the DG P&T in not circularising the demand bearing on these allowances. The question of for suitable officers to all the Circles with a giving suitable advice to the State Governments view to attracting the best talent and eradicate in regard to the continuance of the allowances nepotism and favouritism inherent in the pre- is being examined. sent mod: of selection ? 61 Written Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 62 THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI- (a) whether the different Ministers have CATIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) since completed consideration on the proposal A statement giving the required information mooted by Government for diffusion of press is laid on the Table of tbe House. [Placed in in the country ; Library. See No. LT—3135/72] (b) whether any concrete proposal has (b) As stated earlier in the reply to un-since emerged as a result of the studies made starred question No. 4132 in the Lok Sabha by the different Ministers on this issue ; and on the 26th April, 1972, the officers deputed to the Indian Telephone Industries from P&T (c) whether in arriving at the above deci- Department are selected on an overall assess- sion the viewes of Indian Federat ion of the ment of their suitability to the special type of Working Journalists or that of the Editors were personnel requirements of the undertaking. The not taken into consideration and if so, the procedure for circulating the requirements is reasons thereof and the main features of the also followed whenever it is considered neces- decision taken ? sary to do so. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Science Graduates in the Country MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 8051. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : Will SINHA) : (a) No Sir. the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state : (b) and (c) Do not arise. (a) the number of Post-Graduates in Allocation of staff of Bcas Dam Project among Science in the country upto March, 1972, sub- the States of Punjab, Haryana and ject-wise and State-wise ; Himachal Pradesh (b) whether Government propose to grant 8053. PROF. NARAIN CHAND some allowance to them in the first year of PARASHAR : Will the PR1MF MINISTER their unemployment on the pattern of Engi- be pleased to state : neering Graduates; and (a) whether Government constituted a (c) if so, the salient features of the Committee of the Chief Secretaries of Punjab, scheme ? Haryana and Himachal Pradesh for finalising allocation of the staff working in the Beas Dam Project among these three States ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) According to information (b) if so, whether the gazetted officers available from the Council of Scientific and working on the Project were allocated to the Industrial Research, the stock of Science post- three States in the ratio 56:37:7 ; graduates in the country in 1971 was 139,200. The subject-wise and State-wise classification (c) whether the Non-gazetted staff has also of this figure is not available. been allocated in the same ratio ; and (d) if not, the reasons therefor ? (b) No sir. Schemes are, however, under formulation to create employment opportunities for unemployed post-graduates in Science. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL (c) Does not arise. (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) A Committee consisting of Chief Secretaries Diffusion of Press in tile Country Punjab, Haryana and Himachal Pradesh was constituted by the Government of India as an 8052 SHRI BISHWANATH JHUNJHUN- advisory body for purposes of Section 82(4) WALA : Will the Minister of INFORMA- of the Punjab Reorganisation Act, 1966 for TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased assisting the Central Government in regard to to state: the division and integration of the services 63 Written Answers MAY 31. 1972 Written Answers 64 among the successor States and not Exclusively (b) Special accommodation released to for finalising the allocation of the staff working Kerala to meet its non-Plan gap during the in the Beas Project first three years of the Fourth Plan amounts to Rs. 47.29 crores. As the release of special (b) and (c). No, Sir. accommodation is subject to annual review of the State’s resources position, no firm estimates (d) The allocation of the non-gazettedof the amounts to be released towards meeting staff of the Project belonging to the circle the non-Plan gap of the State in 1972-73 and 1973-74 can be given at this stage. cadre is being finalised in-consultation with Chief Secretaries Committee. Financial Crisis In Kerala Alleged Indifference of Police in Delhi 8056. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will the 8054. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- Minister of PLANNING be pleai>ed to state : JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (u) whether the Kerala Government have asked for any financial assistance to tide over (a) whether as reported in Times of India the present financial crisis in the State : and dated the 16th May, 1972, the Prime Minister has suggested a probe into the alleged ^diffe- (b) if so, the reaction of the Central rence of the Police in Delhi to the grievances Government thereto ? of the people ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether the points of enquiry have MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN been finalised and if so, the main points there* DHARIA) : (a) The Kerala Government of ; and have requested for additional spccial accom- modation to cover the increase in tbe State’s (c) when the enquiry will be conductcd ? non-Plan gap and for extra Central assistance to cover additional expenditure on Idikki THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Project. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. II. MOHSIN) : (a) No, Sir. (b) The State Government have been in- formed that it is not possible to reopen at this (b) and (c). The question does not arise. stage the question of allocation of Central assistance for the Fourth Plan schemes or to Difference in Non-Plan Expenditure in Kerala alter the basis of release of special accommo- dation to cover the State’s non-Plan gaps. 8055. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state : Manufacture of Apolo Scooter (a) the estimated difference in the non- 8057. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will the Plan expenditure of the State of Kerala during Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT the Fourth Plan period ; and be pleased to refer to the reply given to Un- starred Question No. 6395 on the 17th May, (b) the total amount given by the Central 1972 regarding manufacture of Apoio scooter Government, so far to meet tbis difference and in the public sector and state the steps the amount proposed to be given in the remain- taken by Government to inform the public ing period of the Fourth Plan ? about the true position of M/s. Praja Sahkari Udyog Bharatpur Ltd. so that the general THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE public is not misled by their advertisement ? MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) The reference presumably is THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE to the gap in resources in Kerala on non-Plan MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- account during the Fourth Plan period. At the MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : time of the finallsation of the Fourth Plan, A Press Note informing the public of the this gap was estimated at Rs. 67.78 crores. correct positon of the affairs of M/s, Praja 65 Written Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 66 Sahkri Udyog Bharatpur Ltd. has been issued erratic, i,e., while is some the rules are by tbe Government of Rajasthan. observed, in others it is n o t; and A. I. R, Cuddapah (c) whether the Censor Board ensure that the cut that are proposed by the Board are 8058. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY : Will actually carried out in the negatives also and the Minister of INFORMATION AND if not, the manner in which the Board ensure BROADCASTING be pleased to refer to the that their objectives are being met faithfully reply given to Unstarred Question No. 6407 and whether there is any procedure for socond on the 17th May, 1972 regarding Programme inspection to ensure that the suggestions for Executives, Transmission Executives, and alteration have been compiled with the film Announccrs in Cuddapah All India Radio producers ? Station and state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (a) the present strength of Programme MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND Executives ; (Gazetted Officers), Transmission BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR Fxecutives and Announcers at Cuddaph All SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. There are 35 members India Radio Station, separately ; and at Bombay, 38 members at Madras and 20 members at Calcutta on the Advisory Panels (b) when the decisions are expected to be of the Central Board of Film Censors out of taken by Government regarding the recommen- which four are nominated for each feature dations made by the Staff Inspection Unit of film depending upon the language and type of the Ministry of Finance about the norms for film. fixing the strength of various categories of stafl m All India Radio on the basis of work (b) There is no lacuna in the procedure. load ? F.very effort is made to achieve uniformity of censoring through the issue of guidelines and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE by personal discussions. MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI (c) The producers are required to sur- SATPATHY) : render cut portions from the positive and negative prints of the film. The certificate is (a) (i) Programme Executives (Gazetted is>ued by the Board only after these cut por- tions have been surrendered and found in Officers) ...... 1 order, in accordance with measurements indi- cated against each cut in the endorsement (ii) Transmission Fxccutives ...1 attached to the certificate. The Board do not view the whole film a second time. (iii) Announccrs ... -.2 ('tiling on Investment in Small Sector for (b) The matter is under Govcrnment’3 Marhint ry consideration. 8060. SHRI DEVINDER SINGH Operation of Censor Board in Film GARCHA : Will the Minister of INDUS- Editing TRIAL DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : 8059. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of INFOR- (a) whether there is a proposal under MATION & BROADCASTING be pleased consideration of Government to impose a to sta'c : ceihng of Rs 5 lakhs on outlay on machinery and equipment per unit in the small scale (a) whether the Censor Board appoints industrial sector ; and different sets of persons for viewing each film for censoring purpose ; (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? (b) whether as a result of this lacuna the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE end result of the censorcd films appear to be MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 67 Written Answers MAY 31,1972 Written Answers 68 MENT (SHRI SADDHESHWAR PRASAD); THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER (a) No, Sir. OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME (b) Does not arise. AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFOR- MATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI* Symposium ou Engineering and Manage- MATI INDIRA GANDHI): (a) Yes, Sir. ment of Projects (b) The project will be a demonstration 8061. SHRI DEVINDER SINGHpilot plant based on the most advanced GARCHA: Will the Minister of INDUS- technologies in desalination using evaporation TRIAL DEVELOPMENT be pleased to process. The Plant will provide valuable state : data for the design and operational aspects of desalination. It will be located in Trombay. (a) whether a symposium on engineering The project report is under preparation and and management of projects was held recently work on the project is expected to commence in New Delhi under the auspices of Indian shortly. Engineering Association ; Construction work of Cement Factory in (b) whether it was stated in the sympo- Andhra Pradesh sium that a number of projects with huge in- vestments suffered due to lack of proper 8063. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY: planning and execution and the delay in pro- Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- duction resulted in loss to the national LOPMENT be pleased to state : exchequer ; and (a) the proposed location of cement (c) if so, the amount of loss on this factories m Andhra Pradesh now under the account ? consideration of Government and whether their project report have been received ; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (b) the order of priority foi taking up MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : their construction work and the criteria (a) Yes, Sir. adopted for fixation of priority ; and (b) In the inaugural address, the Minister (c) the approximate time by which con- of Industrial Development emphasised tbe versation work on all these factories will be need for proper planning and implementation started ? of projects so that investments made are not wasted. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (c) It is not possible to assess the loss MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : suffered specifically on this account. (a) Feasibility reports for the setting up of cement factories at Tandur, Yerraguntla and Adilabad in Andhra Pradesh have been Pilot Desalination Plant submitted by the Cement Corporation of India Ltd. for the consideration of the 8062. SHRI DEVINDER SINGHGovernment. GARCHA : Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased to state : (b) Feasibility reports in respect of some more locations in the other regions are being (a) whether the Atomic Energy Commis compiled and the basis of a comparative sion would soon go ahead with the project analysis of the economic viability of all the for a Pilot Desalination Plant with daily out- proposals, the inter-se priority of these pro- put of four and half million litres of fresh jects for implementation will be decided. water using the latest expertise in evaporation process; and (c) The projects will be taken up for con- struction soon after the clearance is given by (b) if so, the details thereof 7 the Government. 69 Written Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 70 Films on Freedom Struggle of Bangladesh Enquiries against I.C.S. and I.A.S. Officers 8064. SHRI B K. DASCHOWDHURY : 8065. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR: Will Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : BROADCASTING be pleased to state : (a) the number of I C.S. and I.A.S. (a) number of films on Bangladesh Officers against whom enquiries are being held affair particularly on freedom struggle, for one reason or the other ; and purchased from private producers by Govern- ment ; (b) the findings of the enquiries and whether some of the I.C.S. officers have since (b) the names of producers with names resigned and if so, their particulars ? of the films purchased by the Films Division from the private producers ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN (c) the amount spent for the purpose ? THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b). Enquiries/proceedings against 2 I.C.S. MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND and 29 I.A S. Officers arc being held by the BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI Central Government/the Central Bureau of SATPATHY) : (a) One film has been Investigation. As a result of the enquiries purchased, and in regard to another film, disciplinary proceedings arc in progress against the rights for Indian exhibition only acquired. 5 officers and one officer is being prosccuted There are in addition four films on this in Court. The cases against remaining subject produced by Private Producers. officers are either still under investigation or pending consideration of the disciplinary (b) and (c) The details are as under authorities. No I.C S. officer involved in the above cases has resigned from service. Title and amount Producer spent Amounts given to various Slates for 1. “Durbargati Padma” Shri Biswajit Cha* Plan Projects Rs. 45,000/- tterjee, M/s. Trio Films, 8066. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will Dum Dum, Calcutta. the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state : 2. Coverages of a rod- Shri R Ray, ties in Dacca. 22, Ballygunge Place, (a) the total amount given for plan *Rs. 3,500/- Calcutta. projects to the various States during the last three years, year-wise and State-wise ; (♦For Indian exhibition rights only). (b) the States which did not utilize the The four films produced by Private amount fully, the names of the States which Producer are : spent this amount for other purposes, the names of the states which refunded some of Title of the Film Producer the amount and the amount so returned ; and 1. “Dateline Bangla Shrimati Geeta (c) the steps taken or proposed to be Desh” Mehta taken to ensure that tbe amount sanctioned 2. “Nine Months to Shri S. Sukhdcv for plan projects is spent fully and properly 7 Freedom” THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3. “Thus Began the "I MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI Tragedy” L Messrs Aslan Films. MOHAN DHARIA): (a) and (b). Two \ New Delhi. statements are laid on the Table of the House 4. “Exodus and After” J indicating: 71 Written Answers MAY 31, 1972 Written Answers 72 (i) approved outlays and actuats/antici- considering the question as to whether a pated expenditure for the years person belonging to a Scheduled Caste, who 1969-70, 1970-71 and 1971-72 by had renounced Hinduism by converting him- individual States ; and self to another religion, will revert to his original Scheduled Caste, if he bccomes a (ii) State-wise allocations and disburse- Hindu again ; ments of Central assistance for the years 1969-70, 1970-71 and 1971-72. (b) whether a final decision has since Approved Plan outlays are earmarked been taken thereon and if so, the particulars only for Agricultural Programmes of decision taken ; and Cooperation, selected Irrigation and Power projects. Elementary (c) whether Government have since Education and Rural Water Supply informed all State Governments and Union Programmes. The States are free to Territories about tin said decision and if so, make adjustments among the non* whether a copy thereof will be laid on the earmarked sectors within the Table of the House ; and approved Annual Plan outlays. The question of any State having spent (d) whether such reconvert, who origi- plan outlays for other purposes docs nally belonged to a Scheduled Caste, would be not arise. Central assistance is eligible for the privileges and benefits as are allocated for the approved annual provided for the members of Scheduled plan outlay as a whole and is Castes ? released on the basis of expenditure figures reported by the State Govern- ments. The question of States THE DEPUTY MINISFf-R IN THE MI- refunding some of the amounts docs NISTRY OF HOME AFI-AIRS (SHRI F. II. not arise sincc Central assistance MOHSIN) : (a) to (d). The matter is being is released on the basis of annual looked into and a statement thereon will be plan expenditure reported by them laid on the Table of the House. and adjustments of excess assistance, if any, are carried out in the following years. [Placed In Library. See Nationalisation of bif* Monopoly Homes No. LT—3136/72 ] 8068. SHRI DFVINDER SINGH (c) The State Governments which areGARCHA: Will the Minister of INDUS- responsible for the implementation ot the TRIAL DEVELOPMENT be pleased to programmes/projects, are expected to utilise state : fully and properly the plan provisions and to take suitable steps in this direction. Scrutiny (a) whether there is a scheme under by Programme Advisers of the Planning consideration of Government to nationalise Commission who visit the States periodically the big monopoly houses in the country ; and and the discussions between the officers of State Governments and those of the Planning Commission which are held from time to (b) if so, the main features thereof ? time help the State Governments in avoiding shortfalls in expenditure. Planning Commis- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- sion is also engaged in creating a better system in order to ensure proper implemen- MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : tation of plan-projects in consultation with the (a) No such general proposal is under Government’s consideration. State Government. Benefits to Scheduled Caste Persons (b) Does not arise. 8067. SHRI AMAR NATH CHAWLA : Detention of Sbri Gulam Sanrar Editor Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be of Sangam pleated to state : 8069 SHRT BIBHUT1 MISHRA : Wifi (a) whether Government had been the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 73 Written Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 {SAKA) Written Answers 74 to state : In the main, the punishment is sought to be made more deterrent in four ways : — (a) whether Government’s attention has been drawn to a news item appearing in the (1) Where imprisonment is laid down as Searchlight Patna dated the 14th April, 1972 a punishment, only rigorous imprisonment is under the heading ‘Gulam Sarvar’s detention to be prescribed. justified', wherein it has been stated that Shri Sarvar, Editor of Sangam has been (2) For many offences, imprisonment is to arrested, because there was sufficient evidence be enhanced from 3 years to 5 years. The against him and he had maintained close amount of fine is to be enhanced to Rs. 10,000 contacts with Pakistan Embassies in Calcutta, for some offences. Delhi and Kathmandu and that he had taken money from them during the war : (3) A minimum punishment of one year rigorous imprisonment/fine not less than (b) if so, whether Central Government Rs 2,000 is to be prescribed for many excise have information of the money taken by offences. Shri Sarvar; and (4) Many offences which are at present bail- (c) the action taken by the Central able are sought to be made non-bailable. Government thereon apart from that of the State Government ? These proposals are under consideration TllK DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINIS I R Y OF HOML AFFAIRS Shifting of Offices of Industi ial Develop- (SHRI F. II MOHSIN) : (a) to (c). ment Corporation to Nariman Point Bombay Government has seen the press report relating to the proceedings of the Bihar Vidhan 8071. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the Parishad in regard to the detention of Shri Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT Gulam Sarvar. The Government of Bihar be pleased to state : has been requested to send full text of the proceedings. (a) whether the Industrial Development Knhanccd punishment for selling adulterated Corporation has recently shifted its Offices Liquor from the old premises to mote luxurious surroundings in Nirmal, Nariman Point, 8070, SHRI M, S. S1VASAMY : Will Bombay ; the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (b) whether the Coiporation is now paying eight times the rent as compared to that paid (a) whether Government have considered in previous years ; the Delhi Administration’s proposal to enhance under the Punjab Excise Act, 1914, (c) if so, whether the Corporation the terms of punishment for those who sell obtained permission of the Central Govern- adulterated liquor; and ment prior to the shifting of its offices ; and (b) if so, the main points thereof and (d) if not, the reasons therefor and the decisions arrived at in the matter ? Government’s reaction thereto ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- F. H. MOHSIN) ; (a) and (b). Government MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : have received a bill from the Delhi Adminis- (a) to (d). The State Industrial and In- tration for amending the Punjab Excise Act, vestment Corporation of Maharashtra Ltd., 1914 as in force in the Union Territory of (SICOM) shifted its office in June 1971 from Delhi. The Bill seeks to make punishment its old premises to Nirmal, I Floor, Nariman for the various offences under the Act more Point, Bombay, due to non-availability of severe so as to act as an effective deterrent. additional accommodation in the old premises. 75 Written Answer^ MAY 31, 2972 Written Answers 76 It is reported that the rent paid for the new (a) whether Central Government has set premises is not exorbitant and it is roughly 1 | up a high level study team to visit Chambal times that paid for the old premises. Since ravines in Bbind District (Madhya Pradesh) SICOM is a State Government Undertaking and a public limited company, the question of (b) if so, work entrusted to the team ; and obtaining Central Government’s permission for shifting does not arise. Under its articles (c) the report thereon received so far ? of association, the permission of the State Government is also not required. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Indian Officers sent Abroad for Higher Studies and Training F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes. Sir. 8072. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA* (b) and (c). The Team has been set up to SHAR : Will the PRIME MINISTER be work out a Scheme for eradication of dacoity pleased to state : menace from the Chambal valley. The report of the Study Team has not yet been (a) whether there is any scheme under received. which Government Officers from the Central and State services are sent abroad for higher Pay fixation of released Emergency studies and training ; Commissioned Officers (b) If so, whether there is any condition 8074. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will that the Officer will have to serve In his the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : parent Department after return from abroad ; and (a) whether on 1st January, 1972 Govern* (c) the number of persons sent abroad ment extended pay fixation provision to under this Scheme in 1971-72 ? Emergency Commissioned Officers appointed on civil jobs against unreserved vacancies ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN (b) if so, whether the provision is not THL DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL applicable with retrospective effect : (SHRI RAM NIWAS M IRDHA): (a) Yes, Sir. There is more than one Scheme. (c) whether the provisions of pay and (b) No, Sir. There is no condition that seniority have not been allowed to them as has the officer will have to serve in his parent been done in the case of those appointed Department after return from studies or against vacancies reserved for E.C.O .; and training abroad. However, the trainees are required to exccute a bond under which they (d) if so, the reasons therefor ? are obliged to return to duty and serve under Government for at leas 4 years after the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE expiry or termination of the period of train- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN ing, failing which they have to refund the THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL stipulated amount. (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) The information is not readily availa- ble. It is being collected and will be laid on (b) The orders take effect from the date of the table of tbe House. issue, viz., 1st January, 1972. High Level Study Team for Chambal (c) and (d). As stated above, orders Ravines in M.P. have already been issued to give weightage 8073. SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA : for the army service for initial pay fixation SHRI PHOOL CHAND on appointment of released officer to vacancies VERMA : not specifically reserved for them. The question of extending the benefit of seniority Will the Minister or HOME AFFAIRS to released officers in unreserved vacancies is be pleased to state : under examination. 77 Written Answers JYAISTHA 10. 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 78 Disconnection of Telephone by D.G.PfcT fnft % srfafrw «etf ^srr 8075. SHRI PILOO MODY : Will tbeW far^IT | ; aftT Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : (»r) sfc $r, at ? (a) whether under instructions from the iT^ (« r t qqso q w o Director General Posts and Telegraphs, the telephone connections including the PBX box : (*) artfta? fsr% and six extensions of Universal Press Service % *TR *HT?T3? * fosuff % ^TT faiTT at Madras and Indian Salvam, a Tamil | fa JX^fTT ^ Sj Tfr*3?T 3TT% % Economic Fortnightly, were disconnected in April, 1971 even though the payments are wnTq aft anfta f ftjrmr *r ^wt *\i $ «r? being made ; | sr*r fo t t s Sr % m % fa W Jff % 3TT3TT far^r t far IT5 3 * ^ ^ f*T (b) if so, the research therefor ; and *ft 1 1 srsrror arTcrr t ft? *n^W T (c) whether on payment of Rs, 15,000 1 1 srtsr % fa^rmf % towards tbe dues for teleprinter service, one telephone connection 88993, was restored ? f a fom ? *r ?r$f smrr $ 1 THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (sr) 3ftr (»r). 3*tt sr&r *r s t t % TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) and s s tr tt, §forp»TT ark stir srt^r *rc> (b) No Sir, The telephones were disconnected by the General Manager Telephones. Madras sfttV, fW V sTUTt^rJT sftr ^tit^t % a w r % on different dates under Indian Telegraph srfafafsrqf ^ qv 1 s t : g f *ft i Rule 443 for non-payment of telephone dues sircr t t *raraforr g arr «tt far tftar under normal operation of the Rules. % *«TH TT q * fafiR?r $>ft TTf^tr | (c) After having been disconnected Torn^r fafo*?T fftm fatjffVcT >PT% T R T non-payment of dues, one telephone of ffT^TTt % fartft qT Tf W % Universal Press Scr\iee, was restored on their paying the prescribed charges of restora- fsrtr |frmoTT af)T 3tTT sr^ur cr«ir v r ? t % tion fee, rental for intervering period, past sr^rfafa ^ nftKT 3rfiWT- arrears against all telephones, and giving an undertaking to dear outstandings in respect of fa?if % ^ sw ^*t ?«?55 ffr0sr«r *r% Teleprinter Circuits in monthly instalments of srtT iTjp fr?ft fsr^r % Rs. 15000/- each. 3iTT^TfT«P ?TO«cr f t «PT «PR Birr *TTT | I fifcwV-WT S t* ?WT SfoTTOT- 5PPTT s r w aftr **tt star % tfw fswftar f a ^ t % f a tftwT % »r ^ t i t »rf 11 8076. TPWP* finw : WT *15- Expenditure In setting op of Paper Mill *rat ^ # FTT far: In Assam and Nagaland («f ) ^ 8077. SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- % st ct t srfcr-^frirmT aftr MENT be plea&ed to state ; grrTT sr^trr % arfsHRre fasraf tftTT-forrc WcTT TfcTT (a) the total expenditure on each of the Paper Mills proposed to be set up in Assam ( * ) i f c f t, ?fr fUT r r ih m and Nagaland ; fa«rnff % foq s t o t t v t fWV- (b) and total paper production ia tbe vJt t t srfcr ?wr $formT-*raT srfcr % tft* Mills; and 79 Written Aitswers MAY 31, 1972 Written Answers 80 4 (c) to what extent ihedemaod for paper BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI will be met by them ? \ SATPATHY) : (a) No, Sir. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) Does not arise. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): May Day Holiday for Central Government (a) There is a proposal to set up two Pulp/Paper Employees Mills in Assam i.e one atNowgong and the other at Cachar. The total anticipated 8079. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the expenditure in these two projects would PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state ; approximately be Rs. 31 crores and Rs. 25 crores, respectively. (a) whether the Central Government has not declared My Day as a public holiday for There is also a proposal to set up a Pulp/ its offices ; and Paper Mills in Nagaland. Total expenditure on this mill is excepted to be approximately Rs. 20 crores, (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? (b) and (c). According so the capacity of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE each of these mills, the production is expected MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN to be as under :— THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and Pulp! Paper P,oject Assam (b). In this connection, attention is invited to the Press Note issued on 29th April 1972, copy (i) Nowgong Project 80,000 tonnes of laid on the Table of the House, explaining the Pulp per annum position of Government on the qurstion of 50,000 tonnes of declaring May Day as a public holiday in Paper per annum Government OHices. f Placed in Library. St e No. L T - 3137/—72] (ii) Cachar Project :—50,000 tonnes of integrated pulp and paper per annum. Power Boards blame H. F. L. and B. li. E. L. (iii) Pulp/Paper 30,000 tonnes of paper 8080. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Project per annum. SHRI R. R. SINGH DF.O : at Nagaland Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL The above mentioned production is DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : exccpted to meet the projected demand for paper. (a) whether his attention has been drawn to news-item published in Indian Express dated Reference to “Vietcong” over A.I.R. the 1st May, 1972 under the caption "Power and T.V. Boards blame H. E. L„ B. H. E. L/•*; and 8078. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND (b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ? BROADCASTING be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (a) whether the All India Radio and MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- Television still refer the forces of National MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : Liberation in Vietnam as ‘ Vietcong” ; and (a) Yes, Sir. (b) the steps contemplated by Govern- (b) The BHEL have Issued a rejoinder to ment ? tbe news item which appeared in the Indian Express dated 1st May, 1972. This rejoinder THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE was published in tbe Indian Express on the MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 4th May, 1972. 81 Written Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 82 ✓ Emoluments of Staff of Central Government Babcock Ltd. on 29th May, 1972, For the Consumer Cooperative Society LTD. immediate expansion of the manufacturing capacity of the plant of Bharat Heavy Electri- 8081. SHRI BISWANARAYAN SHASTRI: cals Ltd. at Tiruchi, necessary funds hive Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to been sanctioned by the Government and orders state : placed for the import of special purpose machi- (a) whether the emoluments of the staff nes. Collaboration agreement has also been of the Central Government Employees Con- entered into for securing the technology for sumer Cooperative Society Limited are equal manufacture of higher capacity boilers. to that of the Government employees of corres- Allocations to Orissa under Annual Plan ponding status ; for 1972-73 (b) if not, the reasons therefor ; 8083. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- GRAHI : Will the Minister of PLANNING (c) whether some Directors of the said be pleased to state ; Society have made a categorical recommen- dation in this regard ; and (a) how much of the amount of outlay of plan for Orissa for 1972-73 is by way of loans (d) if so, the action taken in this direction and how much of this by way of grant; and both by the Management and the Govern- ment ? (b) ho v much amount the Orissa Govern- ment has assured to raise from its internal THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE resources and the different sources of raising MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN these additional resources ? THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN (b). No, Sir The Society has prescribed the DHARIA : (a) and (b). Out of the approved scales of pay after taking into account the 1972-73 Annual Plan outlay of Rs. 57.42 crores nature of work and duties of each post, which for Orissa, Rs 31.04 crores will be financed obviously are not comparable to that of Cent- bv Central assistance and the balance of Rg. ral Government employees. 20 38 crorcs will be met from the State's own resources. 70% of the Central assistance of (c) Yes, Sir. Rs. 31.04 crorcs will be in the form of loan and 30% will be in the form of grant. The (d) The proposal is under consideration of amount of Rs. 26 33 crores found from the inter- the management of the Society. nal resources of the State Government will be obtained fro;n contibution of the State’s public Expansion of boiler plant at Durgapur enterprises, market borrowing by the State and Tiruchi Government and by the State’s public enterpri- ses, share in small savings collections, subscrip- 8082. SHRI NAWAL K.1SHORF. SINHA : tions to the State Provident Fund, loans from Will tbe Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- the Reserve Bank of India and the Life Insu- LOPMENT be pleased to state : rance of 1 ndia yield from State taxes and the State's share in additional taxation imposed (a) whether it is proposed to expand the by the Centre. boiler manufacturing capacity of the plants at Durgapur and Tiruchi ; and wfo* 3r§wt*r snrhrnmr, (b) if so, the steps taken so far in this fficr m w t % |* it % anffcftwr regard ? f tf it THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE m f w w MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 8084. firm* MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : (a) and (b) An industrial licence application containing a proposal for expansion of the %: boiler manufacturing capacity of the plant at Durgapur has been received from ACC-Vickers- (?f ) smsfsfta snfo m re T, 83 Written Answers MAY 31, 1972 Written Answers 84 enable them to implement the outlays on the Fourth Plans of the respective States, is distri- &HT *PT?t «pt trwr fa fa «FT faWTO f*RT | ; buted on the basis of a formula approved by sftr the National Development Council. The entire amount so available has been committed to the various States in accordance with this for- (* i) trfe p , 5ft faffer *tft mula. It has, therefore, not been possible to tot | s fh % Financial Assistance to U. P. for Backward areas (c) the nature of supply and consumers’ goods sent to occupied Sindh ; and 8085. SHRI S M. BANF.RJEE : Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state : (d) whether the people of t' e occupicd Sindh are rcluctant to re-join Pakistan ? (a) whether Government of U. P. has demanded financial aid for opening of certain THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE projects in the Eastern Districts of U. P., to MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI remove backwardness of that area ; F. 11. MOHSIN) : (a) It is estimated that about 56,000 persons are residing m the areas (b) if so, the amount asked for ; and of Sind, undet the occupation of our armed forces. (c) the Government’s reaction thereto ? (b) Yes Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN (c) Supply of essential commodities like DHARIA) : (a) Yes, Sir food-grams, cloth, kerosene oil, sugar, salt, matches etc. is being maintained. (b) From 1970 onwards the Govern- ment of U.P. has made several requests for (d) Some representations have been recei- additional Central assistance so as to increase ved fiom the residents of the area expressing the Plan outlay of the State. These requests concern in regard to their future. have included the requirements of the backward areas of the State generally and cannot be Movement of Sindhis Living in Areas Under related to projects in the eastern districts in Indian Occupation U. P. specifically except for a sum of Rs. 14 crores which was asked for road development 8087. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the in the eastern districts of U. P. specifically. Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (c) The amount available with the Govern- ment of India for assistance to the States to (a) whether the Sindhis living in areas now 85 Written Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Wriuen Answers 86 under Indian occupation are permitted to (b) Yes, Sir. Efforts are being made to visit India; develop and manufacture such guns in India. (b) whether any steps pave been taken to Administration of Areas Captured from Pakistan communicate to them the Indian attitude of peace and friendship towards the people of· 8089. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will the Sindh: and Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state the number of civilian officers formerly (c) if so, the main points thereof? in the service of Pakistan Government for manning the administration of areas captured THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE from Pakistan, now under Indian occupation, MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. who are still in service there? H. MOHSIN) : (a) Residents of the Pakistani areas under our occupation are permitted to THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE visit places in India, for short periods, for MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI bonafide purposes such as purchase of essential F. H. MOHSIN): In the Pakistani area adjoi- commodities, visiting friends and relatives etc., ning Gujarat, which is under our occupation, after taking permits from the authorities con- one clerk, who had been in the service of the cerned. Government of Pakistan, has been working as clerk in the office of the Civil Administrator, (b) and (c). Government has taken steps Nagarparkar. Information in respect of the for the safety and security of the residents of area adjoining Rajasthan and Jammu & Kash- the Pakistani areas under our occupation, mir is being colic ted. No employee of the continuous supply of essential commodities to Government of Pakistan is now in employment them, adequate medical attention etc. Some for the administration of the occupied areas schemes have also been undertaken to provide adjoining Punjab. short-term emp oyrnent to them. The indigent persons are being provided relief assistance. Efforts to Stop Brain Drain Development of Indigenous Gun for Lobbing 8090. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI Tear Gas Shell Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECH- NOLOGY be pleased to state: 8088. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased (a) how far Government's efforts to stop to state: the brain drain have succeeded in bringing back Indian Scientists working abroad; and (a) whether Government are aware that an ex-serviceman of Ludhiana has developed a (b t whether all those who had returned to wholly indigenous gun for lobbing tear-gas India have been provided with suitable job 'l shell which is more durable than the imported American guns; and THE MINISTER OF PLANNING AND MINISTER OF' DEPARTMENT OF (b) if so, whether Government propose to SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. manufacture such guns in India? SUBRAMANIAM) : (a) The Scientists' P I operated by the Council ors iensific a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Industrial Research (CSIR) since 59, has so MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN far helped 4,589 Scientists, Engin~ s, Techno- THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL (SHRI logists, Medical Personnel, etc. studying or RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) M/s. Royal working abroad to return to India. Mechanical Works. Ludhiana have produced a proto-type of an indigenous gun for lobbing (b) Of those returned to India under the tear gas shells. Government are not aware Scientists Pool scheme, 4092 reportedly secured whether the proprietor of this firm is an ex- regular employment in India. Some Medical serviceman. The firm has been' asked to sup- Personnel also settled into private practice ply some Guns now for user's trials, to assess after working for some time in the Scientists' its utility and reliability. Pool. 87 Written Answers MAY 31, 1972 Written Answers 88 Total acreage under salt production have been smuggled during the last one year; and 8091. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHA- PATRA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL (b) the measures Government have adopted DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state the total in this regard and the number of persons acreage of land under salt production in the arrested for such activities? country public and private sectors? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE THE DEPUTY MINISTER 'IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) and (b). The infor- MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) ; mation is awaited from the authorities con- The total acreage of land under production of cerned and the same will be placed on the salt in public sector and private sector is 3749 Table of the Sabha on receipt. and 1,32,118 acres, respectively. Enrolment of Engineers as Pool Officers Abolishing the system of leasing out land to private salt producers 8095. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 8092. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHA- LOGY be pleased to State: PATRA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRI~L DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state whether (a) whether a scheme is likely to be intro- Government are considering the question of duced for enrolling the qualified engineers as abolishing the system of leasing out land to Pool Officers ; private salt producers? (b) if so, the salient features of this THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE scheme ; and ~INISTR Y OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT (f)HRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : (c) when this is likely to be implemented? No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF PLANNING AND Central assistance to salt producers in Orissa MINISTER OF DEPARTMENT OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (SHRI 8093. SHRI SH,YAM SUNDER MOHA- C. SUBRAMANIAM): (a) to (c). The PATRA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL Council of Scientific and Industrial Research DEVELOP~NT be pleased to state whether (CSIR) have no separate scheme for enrolling the Government propose to extend some help exclusively qualified engineers as Pool Officers. to the salt producers of Orissa who have sus- tained loss in last cyclone? The Scientists' Pool administered by the t. CSIR since 1959 provides temporary placement THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE to well-qualified Indian Scientists, Engineers, MINISTR Y OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- Technologists and Medical Personnel returning MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : from abroad without assured employment. The Government have sanctioned financial relief in Scheme was late extended to highly qualified the form of ex-gratia grant and loan to the Indian Scientists who have not been abroad. salt works at Bolong and Astrang in Balasore and Puri districts of Orissa, which were affected So far, 890 Engineers were selected to the by cyclone in October, 1971. Scientists' Pool of whom 84 are at present working as Pool Officers. 'Art Pieces Smuggled to Foreign Countries Licence for Large Scale Milk Processing Unit in Trichur (Keralaj 8094. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 8096. SHR1 C. JANARDHANAN : Will to state: the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT be pleased to state : (a) the number and names of the coun- tries to which valuable art pieces from India (a) whether the Kerala State Industrial 89 Written Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAK4) Written Answers 90 Development Corporation has applied for farfar «jt t ^ *»t sm rvnftt licence for a large scale M ilk Processing Unit in Trichur, Kerala ; and p r f o q f t t e r f*mf?rwft % TR5TfT^> srfa- *T*f % ft?7TRt Tit HUT ^TT | (b) if so, whether the Government have granted the licence ? ^ f f T ffRNpff fit 8TWW THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 8098. «ft *?rnrVwr fn ‘f a * ’ % *nw (*) sf?n gi^rr f a ^ f t ft *TTT?t T??t t ; ^ 8097. 5TTW : ®TCT a faftfiw *rzt *fn*t ( tffa SW Toff V t faufa 8fk W*t sftertfa* famrrar w sra 3 ^wsrY *5TOT% *90* TC («ft fa£t«rc srfrrar) : fcpr ^ 1971-72 ir *TT ?f5Tt v m 8099 : TOT «FT ScTT^T ^ rpTT «TT ^?PFt TI^T^R 3?V«ltf»W f^PTH *Rfy iff STfTT^ f"*TT m m cT«TT TTWf *T % fWcf | ! J ^ r 8F^5t fap 5t t *t r r I — ( * ) w T t f f a t t w i «m ^TT*r «prww> ^ '3TTcF^TJT «pt 3T^^TfcT »TfT SWT (*) wr arm TT T^Tr | ft? ^ 1 $3RFT 1 flrafaT 3 ff«T ^RTfT? *TC*TT?ft 2. ^T iT T 3 qT ir*r% * , sftr 3. *r§TTTr?- 1 4 rTTfe?TT? (it) ^T, *f**PTTT 7* fa^faTtft 1 % 5TTTT *97 ft ?TOT ^ fr^TT *T % fvTir j r t 3TT*T fort ? Coaching f tntres f»r Schidultd C aste i-ud Scheduled 1 ribc C andidati s for I A S. and other ( o npetftive 3fartfa («ft %J93TT USTC*)( t ) sfr, 5Tft I 8101 PROF NARA1N CHAND PARA- 33*TT?T i ^ f E J 3FqT2pST ^T S1IAR Will tho PRIMfc MINISTLR be pleased to state tfffcT i f f TT vft friffrr SR?* *afiff?T ^ n t | I (a) wlutlitr there arc Spcu.il Centres for Loathing Scheduled Castt Tribe candidate* for (*g) <*V (*t) ff*r Tm *r sr^m * 1 A S, ar d other compuilivc 1 xaminutions in various Universities , wrv w w t w tr n ft f t TteiT (b) and (c). (i) Scheduled Castes and grants in-aid for other services safe- Tribes All-India Services Pre-Exami- guards could be built into rules and nation Training Centre, Allahabad is regulations and periodic appraisal run by the Allahabad University. made of the extent to which these are followed in actual practice. (ii) Pre-Examination Training Centres for the different State Civil Services etc. 2. State Governments should identify examinations at Patiala and Allaha- tbe programmes in eacli sector from bad are run by the Punjabi Univer- which it is possible to ensure flow sity, Patiala and Allahabad Univer- of benefits to the backward classes. sity, respectively. 3. Areas inhabited predominantly by (iii) All the other Centres set up in the Scheduled Tribes and Scheduled States (except Assam, Himachal Castes should receive special attention Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, from general sector allocations. Manipur, Maharashtra, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Rajasthan and Tripura 4. Schemes should be specifically tailored where there are no Centres) are to meet their needs and capacities being run by the State Government so that Scheduled Tribes and themselves. Scheduled Castes can derive the expected benefits. (d) During 1971-72 an amount of Rs. 14.93 lakhs was released by the Central Government 5. The general sectors should also undertake the promotion of activities for these schemes. and occupations in which Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes are Benefits to Backward Classes engaged in large numbers. 8102. SHRI B.K DASCHOWDHURY : 6. State Planning bodies will need to Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased have itchmcal staff for preparing to state : integrated area and district plans for tribal atcas after proper survey of (a) whether the flow of benefit to the their social and economic needs. country's backward classes from the general sectors has been inadequate according to mid- 7. At the stage of implementation, there term appraisal of Fourth Plan ; and should be composite programmes instead of piccemeal schemes pursued (b) if so, the main features thereof and in isolation of one another by the the steps taken by Government in the several departments. matter ? As per observation in the “ Mid-term THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Appraisal of the fourth Plan” some of the MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI States have been trying to allocate specific MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) Yes. Sir. funds for the welfare of backward classes from the general sectors of development, These (b) It has been found difficult to ensuresectors of development are roads in tribal the How of benefits to the backward classes areas, rural housing in Scheduled areas, by earmarking funds in the general sectors of irrigation wells housing loans, establishment development since in certain programmes the of industrial estates, electrification of Harijan beneficiaries are not divisible. However, the and tribal villages, establishment of veterinaiy following suggestions have been made in the hospitals and dispensaries in tribal areas and “Mid-term Appraisal of the Fourth Plan" provision of loans for wells, oil pumps, to ensure flow of benefits to the backward electric pumps, etc. for agriculture. Apart classes. from these, most of the State Governments are spending large amounts from their non- 1. Many schemes which benefit indivi- Plan budget for the education of backward duals either by way of loans or classes. 95 W ritten Answers MAY 31, 1972 Written Answers 96 Setting up of Plant for Tractor Pulses Assembly in Gujarat (0 unloading in the open market the 8103, SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL ; limited stock of putes available with Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- the Food Corporation of India ; LOPMENT be pleased to state ; (ii) introduction of high yielding and (a) whether Gujarat Agro-Industries Cor* disease-free varieties of pulses, intro- poration has urged the Centre »o allow it to duction of abort duration crop of set up a plant in the State to assemble tractors pul6es In the multiple cropping plan from components manufactured by the small and introduction of improved varieties scale u n its; and of arhar, moong and urad, to increase production. (b) if so, the reaction of Government Sugar thereto ? (i) the quantity of sugar for sale by THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE sugar factories is being regulated by MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- monthly releases; MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (a) No. Sir. (ii) the period of delivery of sugar by factories against the release orders (bj Does not arise. has been reduced from 45 to 30 days. Rise in Prices of Foodstuff (iii) sugar factories have been prohibited from refusing to deliver sugar if 8104. SHRI S C. SAMANTA : Will the undespatched sugar is available with Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT them against a valid release order ; be pleased to state : (iv) quantitative restrictions havhe been (a) the reasons for the out-of-scason rise imposed on holding of stock by of prices of foodstuffs and other articles with- dealers the quantitative limits being out there being shortage in the country; and 250 quintals in the case of dealer in towns having population of less than one lakh, 500 quintals in the case of (b) the steps being taken to see that the cities with a population between one prices of such stuffs and articles do not give lakh and five lakhs and 1000 quintals more than at which they sell after the cropping in the case of cities with a popula- and harvesting seasons and to provide for tion of over five lakhs, except that adequate machinery and checks against such in the case of importers in Calcutta tendency ? the limit is 7500 quintals; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (v) Bank advances to sugar dealers MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- again«t sugar stocks have been MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : restricted and bank margins thereon (a) A statement showing the wholesale pricc have been increased from 45 to 65 indices of food articles during the period per cent. January-April, 1971 and 1972 is laid on the Table of the House [Placed in Library See Aid from U, S. A. for Production of No. LT—-3138/172]. The rise in the prices of Tractors pulses and sugar has been mainly responsible for the increase in the overall indices of food 8105. SHRI DEVINDBR SINGH articles, the reason being the fall in their GARCHA : Will the Minister of INDUS- production. TRIAL DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : (b) The following steps have been taken to check the rise in prices of pulses and (a) whether U. S. Government have sugar : offered to extend loan to help increase the 97 W ritten Answers JYAISTHA 10,1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 98 production of tractors in India; and Tbe experiment will provide a systems- test of hybrid system using a satellite in (b) if so, how this loan will be utilised ? combination with a ground network for tclcwsion transmission and reception. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- Agreement with 1 gypt to Provide Textile MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) Know-how (a) and (b) The U S Government has, 8107. SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA with the approval of the Government of PANDIY Will the Minister of SCIENCE India, extended a loan of Rs 90 00 lakhs AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state from PL-480 Cooby funds to M/s Escorts Tractors Ltd. towards the cost of establish- (a) whether the Ahmedabad Textile In* ment of a factory in Fandabad for the dustnes Reseaich Association has entered into manufacture of Toid tractors with a capacity an agreement with the Republic of Egypt to of 6000 Nos per annum. provide textile know-how , and Agreement with NASA fir the use of (b) if so, the salient features of the Satellite to Guide and I duiate Farmers in India agreement and progress made ? THF MINISTER OF PI ANNING AND 8106 SHRI VAYALAR RAVI Will MINISTER OF DEPARTMENT OF the Minister of ATOMIC FNI-RGY be SCJFNCr AND TFCHNOI OGY (SHRI C pleased to state SUBRAMANIAM) (a) Under an agreement signed on 8th Aptil, 1971, between Ahraeda- (a) whether Government have entered bad Textile Industry s Research Association into any agreement with the NASA (National (ATIRA) and the (uncial Oigani/auon for Aeronautic and Space Agency) of U S.A. for Industnali7auon oi the United Arab Republic, the use ot satellite to guide and educate far- Cairo. AURA has licensed to the Orga- mers in India , and nization, technical know how for the Per- minent Press Process for Cotton polyester (b) it so, the salient features of the agree- blend fabrics devtloped by AURA for ment and the programme ? application to the U A R Textile Companies of the Public Sector THE PRIME MINISTER MINISTER (b) Under this agreement, ATIRA will OF ATOMIC ENLRCiY, MINISTER OI provide to the General Organization, technical ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME know how for the processing including quality AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFOR- control procedutes, supply of detailed litera- MATIONS AND BROADCASTING (SHRI- ture and specifications of the raw materials MATI INDIRA GANDHI) (a) and (b) and equipment necessary, operational instruc- Copies of the Agreement altered into with tions and control of the process, know-how NASA are available in the Parliament for tailoring and other operations required Library for making permanent press garments, infor- mation relating to storage, handling and care The experiment aims at providing educa- of the sensitised fabrics ATIRA will also tional and instructional television broadcasts train initially four U A R technicians in to about 5000 villages in various parts of the ATIRA and/or other Indian Mills for a period country An important aspect of this of six weeks on the use of the process, testing, experiment is that community TV sets in quality control and other matters pertaining remote villages fitted with front ends consis thereto ATIRA will also depute a duly ting of chicken-mesh antennas and amplifiers, qualified expert to U.A R for a period not will be able to receive TV programmes exceeding two calendar months for instructing directly from the satellite The instructional the U A R staff in the use of the procciss and objectives of the experiment include propaga of matters properly appertaining thereto, tion of New Agricultural Techniques, f amily starting, up of the production, dcmonstfation Planning, National Integration, Education, of satisfactory performance of the process, etc carrying out the guarantee tests, etc U.A R, 99 W ritten Answers MAY 31, 1972 Written Answers 100 has paid ATIRA a know-how fee of £ 10,000/ DH ARIA): A Working Group headed by sterling. Shri B. D. Pande, the then Secretary, Pla- nning Commission, was set up Tor recommen- The period of validity of agreement is ten ding the objective criteria to be followed in years from the date of signing the agree- identifying backward regions which would ment. * qualify for special treatment by way of incentives for industries to be set up In such regions. In accordance with the criteria * The prestnt status is as follows: recommended by this Working Group, the ATIRA have sent to the General Orga- following districts of Madhya Pradesh have nization specifications of the raw materials been declared by the State Government as and equipment necessary and have indicated backward areas : where these could be procured ATIRA have given them complete technical details about Balaghat, Bastar, Botu!, Bilaspur, Bhind, manufacture of cotton-polyeiter permanent Chhatarpur, Chindwara, Damoh, Rajgarh, press garments. ATIRA have also asked Datia, Dhar, Dewas, Guna, Hoshangabad, them to send four technicians for training Jhabua, Khargone, Mandla, Mandsaur, and are awaiting their reply. Morena, Narsimhapur, Raigarh, Raipur. Panna, Raisen, Ratlam, Rewa, Sagar, Seoni, Shajapur, Shivpuri. Sidhi, Surguja, Tikamgarh snrw ®Rt w>t and Vidisha m r m % fsnj tfanTT Setting up of a Committee regarding Promotion of Hindi and other 8108. «rnr : WT Languages ar?rr% ir^r f r : 8110 SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD VERMA : Will the Minister of HOME («f ) iTstr sr^ r % Treqr Sr AFFAIRS be pleased to state : %*tar*rrft srsjtt *>t g*mnr?r w f t % f^TT TTjp ^SPTTSTCVTT * t sr^?r ^ (a) whether Government have received a letter from some Members* oi Puriuu,.. t v set up a high level Committee foi the promo- tion of Hindi and other Indian Languages; (sr) SRTT TOJR ^ W jft^T *Ft and v x | tfk ^ fwRr % tot apTW f ? (b) if so, the reaction of Government thereto ? cfaflpn imrera Sf x m m ft («ft (b) the District-wise location thereof ? No. of appli No. of No of THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE cations re- licences letters of MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- ceived under issued intent MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): the I (D & R) issued (a) and (b). In the Central Sector, the indus- Act, 1951 trial projects to be completed/set up in the State of Bihar, during the Fourth Plan 1 2 3 4 " period, are as follows 1969 | 52(19) 8(2) 5(2) A. Continuing Schemes 1970 104(42) , 22(8) 11(7) 1971 , 64(29) j 24(6) 15(12) 1. Heavy Machine Building Plant, 1972 | Ranchi (Distt. Ranchi). (January , March) 1 12(8) | 2(—) 5(3) 2. Heavy Machine Tool Plant, Ranchi - (Distt. Ranchi). Note : Thc figures in brackets refer to new industrial undet takings 3. Foundry Forge Plant, Ranchi (Distt. Ranchi). In addition to the above, the total num- ber of new scale industries registered with the 4. Heavy Engineering Corporation, Directorate of Industries, Bihar, so far during Ranchi Township (Distt. Ranclnj. the Tourth five Year Plan is approximately 10,374 The year-wise break-up is as 5. Sindri Fertilisers (Naptha Gasifica- follows •— tion}, Sindri (District Dhanbad). Year No. of industries registered with 6. Sulphuric Acid Plant, Sindri vDistt. the Directorate of Industries Dhanbad). Bihar 7. Sindri Fertilisers (Rationalisation 1969 1,501 Scheme), Sindri (Distt Dhanbad). 1970 2,700 1971 6,173 B. New Schemes Total: 10,374 ' 1. Bokaro Steel Plant, Bokaro (Distt. Hazaribagh). Thc district-wise details of these small units are not available. 2. Barauni Fertilizers, Barauni (Distt. Monghyr). Meeting of the National Development 3. Barauni Petro-Chemical Complex, Council Barauni, (Distt. Monghyr). 8112. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 4. Bokaro Sth Convertor and continued VERMA : Will the Minister of PLANNINO action on expansion to 4 million be pleased to state : tonnes, Bokaro (Distt. Hazaribagh). (a) whether Government propose to caii In the Private sector, the number of in- a meeting of the National Development dur trial licensing applications received, Council; and licenses and letters of intent issued, during the last three years in respect of the state (b) if so, the main points to be discussed of Bihar, are as given below thereat ? 103 W ritten Answers MAY 31,1972 Written Answers 104 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE on the Table of the House. IPlaced in MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI Library. See, No. L T - 3 139-/72] While MOHAN OHARIA) : (a) and (b). Tbe Government would welcome continued dialo- meeting of the National Development Council gue with employees, they do not agree with has been convened on May 30th and 31. 1972 the views expressed in tbe letter. to discuss mainly certain basic issues for for- mulating the Approach to the Fifth Plan. Foreign Exchange for setting up of Indus- tries in Private Sector Statement of Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Regarding Imposition of Hindi on 8115. SHRI M. S. SIVASAMY : Tamil Nadu SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF : 8113. SHRI M. S. SIVASAMY : Will Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state : to state : (a) the total amount of foreign exchange (a) whether the Chief Minister of Tamil sanction for starting new industries in private Nadu made a statement on the 2nd May, 1972 sector, state-wise, year-wise, during the last in Coimbatore against the attempt to impose three years ; and Hindi on the people of Tamil Nadu and the disastrous consequences thereof ; and (b) how many industries availed themselves of the sanctioned amount ? (b) if so, the main points thereof and th«* reaction of Government thereto ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE THE MINISTER Oi STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNTL (a) and (b). Information is being collected (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) and and will be placed on the Table of the (b). The Tamil Nadu Government have been House. requested to furnish the information and reply from them is still awaited. Pay Scalcs of Artistes of Song and Drama Division 8116. if o : t ot aft* ^ ^ 8114. SHRI M. S. SIVASAMY: Will the Ministei of INFORMATION AND : BROADCASTING be pleased to state : (*p) arrarm inft % feewt, srwrf sffc (a) whether the artistes of the Song and vftrrw ^sfr siffrfar 5f t Drama Division of All India Radio demanded on 4th May, 1972 an upwaid revision of ?T«TT % ■SRpT VI their pay scales and better promotion pros- 3TOJR TOT pects ; and ( « ) TOT * % V R (b) If so, the broad outlines thereof and 3 the reaction of Government thereto ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (*T) *T?T ten: (PH ;a-tICfiT 5ItIn:Uf ;a-tf~fficn ~IlFf l'T ;a-!T\Tffi 3TtCfi~T l'T Cf~q fif~ffi f'filJ; IT~ irrfffi \~r'51T<:~T ~ I '51T;:r~q ~~Cfr 3T~~TIlT q~T;:ilfC111T'1<: IT~ ~, lITrf~ ~ I (l5f) '51T, if~T I tf;;{TOf i:t ~~ffi ~(:\'i:t eT 8117. ~T 0 ~~;fT"T~T (b) the average extent of loss to the ~Cfrr ij 1970-71 aft.. 19 71-72 ~ <;:T<:rrr revenue per annum on this 1 )\:Ount ; and f'fiCfrrTGfT<::q)hll"T g~ ~ ? (c) the steps being taken to minimise such instances ? 3{m)f1r-I; f~~ ;f~ it ~q--;f(;fT (l!.lT THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- fui~~Sfm~) : &T~ ij~TIT~Cfrr ;r{ f~~~T TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) ij 1970-713{T<: 1971-72 ij 4706 ~q~ Only 12 complaints were received during the year 1971-72. 12 q.~C'fm 6 035 ~q~ CfiT :q)<:T 'fiT ~T CfH~rn ~ ~ I (b) Negligible. (c) Instructions for defacing postage stamps on the articles posted for despatch Memorandum on R.S.S. Activities Submitted already exist. Inspecting Officers are also to P.M. by Representatives of Socialist Youth Forum and District Youth Congress required to examine the articles at the time of of Hyderabad their visits to the offices to see that the postage of 'their stamps were properly and correctly 8122. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- defaced. THAM : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Stealing of Copper Wire 8120. SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA (a) whether she met the representatives PANDEY : Will the Minister of COMMU- of Socialist Youth Forum and the District NICA nONS be pleased to state: Youth Congress of Hyderabad recently who submitted a memorandum to her on the (a) the value of copper wire stolen R.S.S activities in Osrnania University and during the period from lst January, 1971 to the alleged murder of Sri George Reddy, a 31st October, 1971 and the corresponding student of that University; period of the previous year, State-wise; (b) if so, the main points thereof; and (b) the number of these thefts wherein the officials of the Ministry were found in (c) the reaction of Government there- league with the thieves; on? (c) the number of such cases wherein Tf:IE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE departmental action was taken or completed MINISTRY OF HOM!:: AFFAIRS (SHRI or still continuing; F. H. MOHSIN):(a) and (b). A memorandum (d) whether in the new installations has been received from the representatives aluminiumcoated wires are being used; and of the Socialist 'Youth Forum and the Dis- trict Youth Congress, Hyderadad in which a (e) the incidence of thefts of aluminium- demand has been made for investigation by coated wires? the CBI into the alleged murder of Shri George Reddy and for the setting up of a THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- Commission to inquire into the activities of TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) the R.S.S.S. to. (e). Statement giving information seriatim is placed on the Table of the Lok Sabha. [Placed in Library. See No.-3140/72]. (c) According to information received from the Government of Andhra Pradesh, in the case registered under section 147/148/ .,.~ f~t>~Tft:~o ~T<:T~;miTU)" 302/149 IPC in connection with the murder of ~.,.itw Sbri George Reddy investigation has been com- pleted and charge-sheet submitted to the court. 1S Of ;;r.if 8121. l!.lT'li q-ti : Legislation to deal with associations whose activities are prejudicial to the maintenance of !f1:fr 3{"~)f,,'fi fOl'fir~ +iz;rTlI"~ Gfa"l;r CfiT communal harmony is being introduced in 'liCfT 'fi~iT f'fi ~ f~~~T fp-i'a" &r~T llPiYfJ)if Parliament. 109 W ritten Answers JYAISTHA 10, I894 (5<4tf<4) Written Answers liO fifTHC Wi fw® ’tgewfft, be pleased to state : m t o (a) whether candidates selected recruited for the posts or Engineering Supervisors are 8123. «ft TTMWmT im art : m trained and specialised in four arms of services sfaitftw fiwrn *r?rt f ? t viz., Telephone Switching, Lines and Cables, Telegraph and Transmission to cater the needs q>T% f t ? : of the services ; % ( ^ ) w r q^TT ^srarift % fT O (b) if so, the number of Engineering super* fm fafn: %^pwr *rmv ail*?* visors in Bihar Circle specialised in arms of Services indicated at (a) above accordingly and 3R1^ «pt ^ t o number of Engineering Supervisors posted in <^r) ^r, ?ft t o % t o t (c) number of Engineering Supervisors working in Bihar circle trained/specialised in ^ t t ^t f ; 3ftT Transmission but working in Telephone/Tele* graph and not in transmission ; and (»f) WT «mfTT *PT fiTOT ^ 3T*T% *r w z x v&t% *pr | ? (d) whether there is any shortage of Engi- neering Supervisors in transmission arm in Bihar Ciicle and if so, total number of shortage afar>f*wr f o r m t o t o * *f m n f t of such Engineering Supervisors ? («ft ftrjwT srcn?) : (v) t t ^ *r * t t ^ f t | % q>w*T pleased to state: (b) whether there is a provision (hat in case of expiry of due date, the supply of back (a) whether under the rules of Posts and period automatically lapses, and Telegraphs Department the Ciass-III posts existing for more than two years on 31st March (c) if so, the steps proposed for expendi- of every year are to be made permanent, sub* tious supply of uniforms ? ject to keeping ten per cent temporary posts and if so, whether the aforesaid rule has been THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- applied in Bihar Circle , TIONS (SHRI H N BAHUGUNA) . (a) (Yes, Sir, these could not be supplied on the (b) the total number of temporary posts Schedutd date. existing on the 31st March, 1971 and the num- ber out of those, existing for two year* or more (b) No, Sir. (post-wise) and the number of temporary posts made permanent during 1971-72 , and (c) Does not arise, as the last year's supply having since been made was delayed (c) the number of staff made permanent because of other emergent commitments of the during 1971-72 and number of permanent posts ordnance Factoues lying vacant in Bihar Circh with reason there- for ? Treating of Leaders of Trade Unions and Political Parties as Political Prisoners THF MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI H N BAHUGUNA) (a) Yes, 8127 SHRI S. M BANERJtE Will the Sh All posts in operative Offices which are Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to tequirtd for work of a permanent nature and state are m existence for more than two years on the 1st March can be made permanent subject to the condition that 10% of the total number (a) whether a final decision has since baen of permanent and temporary posts remains taken retarding treating leaders of the various temporary. This rule has been generally applied Trade Unions and Political Parties as political in Bihar Circle. prisoners in Jail , and (b) (i) Total number of temporary posts (b) ii not, the reasons therefor ? as on 1-3 71 = 1074 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (h) Total No of posts in existence for MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI more than 2 years —547 F H MOHSIN) (a) anu (b). ‘Jail’ being a state subject, the State Governments alone are competent to frame rules for the classifi- fiii) Total No, of posts made perma- cation etc of prisoners The Jail rules of most nent during 1971-72—384 of the States do not provide for a separate classification as “Political Prisoners**. All pri- (Post-wise information is furnished in the soners are normally classified into 2 or 3 statement laid on the Table of the House, groups for the purpose of treatment m jails [Placed tn Library See No LT—3141/72] on the recommendation of the court, convicting them (c) Information is being collected. Supply of Uniforms to POT Employees Expansion Programme of M/s Union Carbide 8126 SHRI RAM AVATAR SHASTRI : Will the Minister Of COMMUNICATIONS 8128. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will be pleased to state : the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP. MENT be pleased to refer to tbe reply given (a) whether uniforms to P and T Emplo-to Starred Question No. 663 on tbe 3rd May, yees in Bihar Circle could not be supplied on 1972 regarding the production of Torches by Schedule due to non-stitching of the unifc^m M/s, Union Carbide beyond the licensed capa- by Ordnance Factories; city and state. 113 W ritten Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 Written Answers 114 (a) whether Messrs Union Carbide is a («r) qflr ft, at w fmrcr % dominant undertaking in the dry cell batteries industry ; 3r t snrroOnr star amtf «PT fk * R | ? (b) tbe percentage of the country's total production accounted for by this Company ; titotT «iaTwtr $ Tiwr *rfw) : (*) wrfm fimfa vnff % (c) whether the Company has applied for an expansion of 60 million cells in its Calcutta 3RT«TcT an*3Tt3PT s f a *pr STrpftVT plant in spite of the fact that it has not produ- arRmft gwrcr: ced to the optimum of its licensed capacity in this plant during the last three years and ?T5ST?r ^ % fwq 1953 S sw rfvrc m & fi whether its application hast been sanctioned ; % ¥ ? it f^TRT VT f*WT and *nrr *ir i ^ If 3nr-*nj*r«r % w m w w ft (d) whether this Company had earlier been aftr sTfrcr % w *r allowed to shift its five hundred million midget # ifnrT «ft i wnr electrodes plant from Calcutta to Hyderabad % st t *, srs faww arferw on tbe plea of “unstable conditions" in West Bengal ? ?r*nccr | sftr o t w t t t jwt fa tjR % ar-cT»fcr ^rfirfenflf % & THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE f ^ T | I MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MFN r (SHRI SrDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : (a) Yes, Sir, ( ^ ) srurr^Y *r ?r % *r $¥rrsr % fan: *tr («p) WT fasr % fwtT SWOT (i) Agricultural implements and tools, (ii) Food processing and fruit preser va- tion. US W ritten Answers MAY 31, 1972 Written Answers 116 OH) Leather tanning, footwear and leather ( (v) Small sized plants with special refe- ( s p) i far^iT % arrcprfanrr «n*n: rence to cement, sugar and paper, and % so m ^ s ta r snrsftirfOT s«nfa?r ftorr *ptt | 2 2 tsStafrr (vi) Building and road construction. m * ifto h $ t- (c) The broad considerations on whichqjtJT t***r#sr % 3rh*tt arrfafr fffe % ^ n r these areas have been selected are : ^ §>rr i (i) the contribution) of the sector to the ( m ) aft srft ir | 531^ ^ 7; % sftsrr national economy, %* r gsrr 1 1 «i^«rr?r *r ()i) the quantity of employment generated SfffTT f a s ^5TT I HlTWlfiaiT in that sector, wta't^rc't % (iv) provision of work opportunities in (»t ) % a n u R «tt , rural areas with a view to restricting *ITT*rf*HTT WT3TR $T tfto sfto q ^ - rural migration to urban areas, # sr ^ t t Pt ct «rr (v) technogical feasibilities for utilising 3ft?% sptf *frsrcr 1 1 ^ sft ^ r limited natural resources available u r n v n ft sra aren't gsrwre- in dispersed areas, and %x % farcr sfnprr, at farfa (vi) availability of research and develop- *rr Sprfinrre fosrr *rrq*rr 1 ment facilities in the country whose assistance could be mobilised for sol- Techno-economic Reports by Small Industries ving the technological problems. Service Institutes 8132. SHRI K M. MADHUKAR : Will ir e w r ita t ir o n :, fwjrrc the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT be pleased to state : 8131. «ft v w 1 w : fJTT (a) whether techno-economic reports are submitted by different Small Industries Service fNir ifcft ^ *crr% *t rn fr : Institutes functioning in different States in respect of units seeking financial assistance ( * ) *TT STRR $ from the Banks ; and ffVo tfU srts% (b) if so, how many such reports have % fltfw ark fafawr sRtffiWf ffra been sent by S. I. S. I. Patna since September, «*rr?rrc *t*r M «rc ift snwrn; % sw 1970 till 31st March, 1972 7 m vnfwnft w f THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OP INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- («r) w *cRi*ftar vi % MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): *ft«rr *n£? t ; aft? (a) Yes, Sir. 117 W ritten Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894{SAKA) Writttn Answers l«8 (b) The Small Industries ScrvJcc Institute, (a) whether a link up is proposed of Tele* Patna and the Extension Centres attached to vision Station in Calcutta with the Television it had furnished 280 tecbno*economic reports to system in Bangladesh , and the Commercial Banks including the State Bank of India and the Bihar State Financial (b) if so, the bioad outlines thereof ? Corporation during September 1970 and March, P 1972 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY ^ OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY) (a) No, Sir. fnw nct w r (b) Does not arise 8133. iw* fiw : WT 5ETWTT ^TT% f t f«rr fa r: 3r?fT sfor % ffrfwt! wifwft vt xtonnr % f* q «ft «lf «TTTTffT (w ) w*rr farfTTT % 3TOP 5* % % fm r STT'TTft 1HFT % 8135. TOT *T?ft fs=nqrW *f t f?n>fa fa m *nrr ST?n% f t CTT ^ f a («t ) t ot gfeqT fwt? (*) stanr «rofrr % 1971-72 ^ trfq- ^ #• ferr foiT ftrHrar f t ftororr fwnir % fatr S’riT ST^T *TrWlT f t fa?RT QT?T fc*T «TT, (it) ?T, q v n x STTT ^cT W T % fa q fa % fa**** ?FT WT ^rTTTJT («) facr^r m sr*# f*RT t o t a fa a f a * r s n m m 3 fJror *ftt, sftr (*r) w r *raR t t ^ar f^PTfa f t (»t ) s t t f $r«r o t «p> ^ 7 W st spT faRTT % 7 m \ x iwt (*ft w i i^oiv) : * h xm r * tw inft («ft ( * ) \ w fw T ) ( 8134 SHRI K M MADHUKAR ‘ Will ( f w * Pending Applications from Gujarat for Licence 8136 SHRIVEKARIA Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state * w t* fw r* t« w (a) whether Small Scale Industrial Deve- lopment Corporation held a seminar at Ahmcdabad two years ago and at the seminar made promises for speedy disposal of the applications received by the Corporation , ). ftmrifcmm (b) how many applications it received from srw fa* ftrsTT % Gujarat dunng 1969-70, 1971-72 , 58.31 58 3 It (c) how many applications were accepted 2 aftartfh* ftwm and rejected and how many are pending for m SWfasft ^ 17 00 17 00 granting facilities , and 3. fa w if arhc faarcft w s r a (d) the nature of facilities extended by the Corporation with names of Industrial Units ? *jfh*snrft 2 ^7 2.02 4 ffftr «wrr?wr THF DLPUTY MINISTIR IN THE MINISTRY Ob INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (1 ) s?fa fc«rr %fjr 2 45 s^wr MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) (a) The National SmaJ Industries Corporation (2) *m?> TT did not hold any Seminar at Ahmedabad two year back However, an Intensive Campaign Prerrr q«r 5t^r was held by the end of 1969 by the N S I. C with the active assistance of the Development 5 n j ir o ft aft* qfonrc innwtr Commissioner (Small Scale Industries), State Director of Industries etc It has always been q m r % fwtT srsp the endeavour of the N S I C to process *PT*ff % 3T?^qTTr qT fjftpr hire purchase applications speedily VT^Tt 3 00 3.00t 6 ffonvnt (b) and (c) Information is given in the statement *pfr«r 2.18 ^ ______(d) The N S I. C supply machinery on hire purchase basts The collection of infor- aftf : 85.31 80.33 mation regarding the names and other parti- ______, culars of the Industrial Units will involve considerable labour and time and it will not k lfftD w **T*r % a rta f m s r w be commensurate with the results to be «T$f | I achieved. 121 W ritten Antmra JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers Hi Statement ANNfXURE Value in Rupees Lakhs Year Applications received Applications accepted Orders placed Machines delivered No. Value No. I Value Value Value 1 1968-69 1088 1253 96 807 796 98 9.99 12.72 1969-70 154 187.83 | 145 184 23 12171 32.56 1970-71 142 203 39 | 39 58 41 137 50 91.23 1 j 1971*72 117 166 23 ^ 60 62.73 71 69 186 57 Foreign Lxchange to Private Parties to whom merits of each case and orders of the Licens- Letters of Intent issued for betting up of ing Committee obtained Industries without Foreign Fxchange 8137 SHRI VEKARIA Will thc (c) Fach case will be considered oa its Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT own merits. be pleased to state * Misuse of Subscribers' Telephone in Delhi (a) whether the letters of intent were issued to some parties in 1971*72 on the 8138 SHRI S C SAMAN1A Will condition that they would not be given any the Minister of COMMUNICA1 IONS be foreign exchange ; pleased to state : (b) whether they have now been assured (a) the extent to which the Ministry have of foreign exchange for capital goods of raw succeeded in checking the Telephonc-services materials ;|and people connecting the telephones of subscribers for dialing by unauthorised people for iheir (c) whether ancillary units linked with personal benefit and to the detriment of the aforesaid units will also be granted foreign subscribers , and exchange for raw material ? (b) the number of complaints received m THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE this connection during 1970 71 and 1971*72 MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- in the Delhi Telephone District and redress MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) . given to the complainants ? (a) and (b). No specific conditions have been imposed in any of the Letters of Intent issued THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- daring 1971 and January-Marcb. 1972 to the TIONS (SHRI H N BAHUGUNA): (a) The efltot that no foreign exchange will be allowed. Department has launched a drive to root However, in some Letters of Intent conditions out such malpractices by introducing a num- have been imposed that no foreign collabora- ber of remedial measures tion, or import of plant and machinery or raw materials would be allowed If the (b) Though no specific complaints in this parties make representations against such connection have been received but most of conditions, these would be examined on the subscribers who complained about excess 123 W ritten Answers M a y 31,1972 Written Answers 124 metering have alleged this malpractice as the (d) Statements containing composition of cause of inflated telephone bills. The num- membeis of the 10 Development Councils ber of complaints regarding excess metering functioning at present are laid on the Table received by Delhi Telephone District is : of the House. (Placed in Library. See No. LT— 3142/72] (i) for 1970-71=5404 and FUm Research Body (ii) for 1971-72 « 8933 8140. SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF : Rebates wherever justified have been allowed Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND to tbe subscribers. BROADCASTING be pleased to state : (a) whether any Film Research Body was Central Advisory Council under Industries (Development and Rrgnlatlon) Act, 1951 set up on the 4th May, 1972 in Bombay ; and 8139 SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : (b) if so, the main features of its func- Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- tions ? LOPMENT be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (a) the composition of the present Centra) MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND Advisory Council constituted under the In- BROADCASTING (SHRI D1IARAM B1R dustries (Development and Regulation) Act. SINHA) : (a) and (b). According to infor- 1951 ; mation furnished by the Film Federation of India, a private film organization known as (b) the name and occupation of each the Film Research Foundation (of India) was member of the present Standing Committee inaugurated in Bombay on 3 May 1972 or Central Advirory Council of Industries ; The main aims and objects of the Founda- tion, according to this information, are to carry out tbe work of research in the history (c) the name and occupation of each ot Indian Films, to recover such film mate- member of the Reviewing Sub-Committee of rials and prints as are not easily traceable the C A.C.I., and today and to offer them later on to the National Film Archive of India. (d) the name, occupation and other parti- culars of each member of each development I.C.8. and I A.S. Officers Working in Council, constituted under tbe above Act ? Public Undertakings THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 8141. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : (a) to (c). The two years tenure of the Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased Central Advisory Council of Industries, to state : which was constituted on the 5th March, 1970, had expired on the 4th March, 1972 (a) the total number of I.A.S. and I.C.S. Council is now in the process of reconstitu- Officers working as on 31st March, 1972 in tion. The Standing Committee and the Re- Public Undertakings under Government of viewing Sub-Committee of the Council have a India ; tenure of membership which is co-terminus with the tenure of membership of the main Council. Since the two Sub-Committees ate (b) whether there are allegations of constituted by the main Council, the Standing corruption, bad administration, maltreatment Committee and Reviewing Sub-Committee against some of these officers ; will, thus, also be reconstituted immediately after reconstitution of the main Council. In (c) whether any enquiry has been insti* view of this position, the question of giving tuted against them ; and any de alls of tbe membership of these Com- mittees does not arise. (d) if so, the outcome thereof athe 125 W titttn Answers JYAISTHA 10. 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 126 action taken or proposed to be taken by qfiwntf «r| *st wi- Government against them ? wr swfow «rr; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN («t ) w r 2r spp t sw to % tr«ft 3??m- THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL % *3r an?r a fa (SHRI RAM NIWAS M1RDHA) : (a) 26 Officers of the Indian Administrative Service were working aa on 31st March 1972 in the (w) sht qfsmarlr % snpiff Public Sector Undertakings under the control of the Central Government. None of them 8142. : w r ^ I tfaft ?T^TT LT 3143/72] % q ? ^ w n ^ f a : qfim w imnm* srt ?T$f fwvft ^TTcft I (*>) w t % Tnf^aF, «nfav ar*raT trfsmarf *rrr (»r) % wt n srf?WT WBTH % JrfiJ ?t, clY W 1969, 1970 1 $ t|3fv ^Trff | araifa, 3*%* JRIWWT 3fft 1971 ^ VT Hr^ntfTffT ^ SRTTfal *W Tfawaff % VTfP I I (*r) fflt ?T5«P ffITT 5T«TT ** qfimaff ( ^ ) «f3TT ^ 5r^TT?nT TT^ff *> % q3n€f % mtanr ^ nir *r«rf % to w ^ *rfe $t, eft s r ^ x m v t foer?ft W f sTfcTirt f t m m %% s tv tt $ : «lftWT f!T WW 1969 1970 1971 1972 “arrarws" 3020 3510 3490 2660* “ T O «TR?fV” 11400 16325 24400 23420 947 832 1076 670 » ^ T " 2150 2160 2782 2525 “antpmTflft” 3400 3020 2852 2710 v n rT v r w w («r) t f , 5ft »rar efor ^ ^ n c «r^lr f t f^Jft ftflft $ i ? 8143. «ft fBV**!W : *WT ifNftftw fiwrm wift 5Rn% ^ w n : *iWW*w fiwwsr i m m M w-*Wlr sw w ) : («P) 3 fa (5T). (%) *wt mxtii ^ W t *r srferirt ifc s f«re% *r v t srRw^ «snra ti& i ; tftt 20 lr 26 ^ % *w ^ 127 W ritten Answers MAY II. 1972 Written Answers m 11 «rcr «fr faOr 26 mftx (b) if so, whether my negotiation have % 3UWm ft«R T$t t | ftPBW yet been made with the Stale Government in this regard 7 2m! 3TOfer 1968-69, 1969-70 sfa 1970-71 if *iwr: 20.74 *nfr?, 2609 w f a afa THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE 25 73 spus *q^ % ijwr ^rrfr tit tito MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI f i i SATPATHY) : (a) The matter is still under consideration. *iWf *fwwft «r w r (b) Does not arise. 8144 t t ot : «pt t aftfftfrf; w f i w u f t & ffpaft a m v m faWHT JT?f\ 2T<3"[% *Pt £>*TT f*F ! HTBTWflf % ^TTSf JWTTW (®F) «PTT TO7R SE&rrSft 8146. «ft gsnvr itf* : SSTT aftr *f TO * j f SWTT®T 33ft WcTT% tit f*TT *R»V fa : (nr) ?r, tfr P r «r^5»rt tit re t- (*f ) qwyrwnft % GM inTtasffr arrsft f m f t «nf S'; aft* fipft « rm % M H h v f « i w *raw w if srq-*ar> 1 w 3rr?n t ? (*ft fa$fTC SRHff) : (*) «ftr (sr). *rrt »n? i ^r 26 qriT % fassr aptf ^tqm, w h b , q^rr, STW f*T^T $ I $W % P R % tfRRT if fystft 5T«TT I * 5%* 5RT STT^r $t t 1 MooJtorlng and Information Division in tike Planning Commission Are* Selection for T. V. in Calcutta 8145. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 8147. SHRI RAJ DEO SINGH : Will MUNSI : Will the Minister of INFOR- the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to MATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased state: to state : (a) whether a new Division has been (a) whether the ‘Golf Club Ground’ ofcreated in the manning Commission to be Tollyganj area has been selected for the known as the Monitoring and Information Calcutta T. V. Station ; and Division; and 129 W ritten Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 130 (b) if so, whether Government proposeresponsible for production, import and export to create a similar Division or ceil to plan of films 7 and supervise the economic development of backward areas or regions in tbe country ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN SINHA) : Government do not propose to set DHARIA) : Yes, Sir. up any public sector undertaking for produo* tion of films. Import and export of films (b) A spccial Ceil for the proper econo-are proposed to be canalised through the mic development of Hill areas is being con* public sector. The precise arrangements for situ'ed in the Planning Commission. this purpose arc under examination. Employment Programme for educated and Tenure of Station Director, ctc. in A.I.R. Technically qualified unemployed and T. V. Centre persons in Uttar Pradesh 8148. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will 8150. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to BROADCASTING be pleased to state : state : (a) the tenure of a Station Director, (a) whether the U.P. Government with Assistant Station Director and Programme 50 per cent Central assistance is to implement Executive at one Station in All India Radio ; an employment programme costing Rs. 8 and crores during 1972-73 meant mainly for the educated and technically qualified unemployed (b) whether many persons are in Delhi such as agricultural graduates and engineers ; in these cadres for thc past more than 6 years ? (b) if so, the main features of the pro- THE MlNISTrR OF STATE IN THE gramme ; and MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI (c) whether like crash employment pio* SATPATHY) : (a) A IR . Stations have gramme this one will also be a continuing been classified into ‘difficult’ and ‘non*difficult’ process ? stations, taking into account factors such as cost of living, climate, accessibility etc. The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tenure of a Station Director, Assistant Station MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI Director and Programme Executive has been MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b) The fixed as two years for difficult stations and five Government of U.P have submitted special years for non-difficolt stations. It is, however, employment programmes for the unemployed not always possible to follow these limits m U P. involving an outlay of Rs. 864.65 strictly in the exigencies of public service. lakhs for the year 1972-73 as per details given below : No tenure has been fixed for the officers at Delhi T. V. Centre as there is only one such Centre at present. Name of the Scheme Outlay - (Rs. lakhs)_ (b) There are 22 such officers. Public Sector Undertaking for Production, 1. Survey and Investigation of 18.72 Import and Export of Hlnn Thermal Generation projects. 8149. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND 2. Survey and profiling of trans* 37.35 BROADCASTING be pleased to state whether mission and distribution lines Government are contemplating to create a single composite public sector undertaking, 3. Water Supply schemes 3* 131 W ritten Answers MAY 31,1972 Written Answers 132 PoMce charged with swindling 3.60 lakhs 1 2 8151. SHRI K. BALADHANDAY* 4. Rural Development projects 72.00 UTHAM : SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO : 5. Mass literacy work 6000 Will the Minister Of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 6, Technical guidance to small 11.93 farmers (a) whether attention of Government has been drawn to the news under the heading 7. Employment for educated and 9.50 “Police charged with swindling 3.60 lakhs" uneducated persons which appeared in the Patriot dated the 7th May. 1972 ; 8. Agricultural extension scheme 12.90 (b) if so, the facts thereof ; and 9. Strengthening of staff of selec- 3.48 ted veterinary hospitals, key (c) the reaction of Government thereto ? village blocks and semen collec- tion stations in the state THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 10. Construction of small bridges, 54.00 F. H. MOHS1N): (a) Yes, Sir. siphons, causeways and culvert* on approach roads. (b) Such a complaint was received from Shri Mohinder Singh who was arrested on 11. Geological and other connected 0 53 26 4 1972 at Naraina for manufacturing fake investigations gold biscuits. The alleged amount of Rs. 3 60 lakhs was not recovered from him by the police 12. Survey and soil investigation 142.60 for roads and bridges (c) Immediately on tbe publication of the news item, Supdt. of Police South had an 13. Constructions of rural roads 297.00 enquiry made into the allegation which turned out to be baseless However, a senior officer of the Vigilance Branch of Delhi Police has 14. Investigation of irrigation and 60.00 been asked to conduct a thorough probe into multipurpose river valley 1he allegation. schemes t o r i % 15. Investigation of flood control 50.00 and drainage schemes. v i f VT WWW 8152. W T Total (All Schemes) 864 65 afar jwrwr n? srerr% ftr * (v ) w sr*rar arwrcwmft %*sV % fasflPM «n«h* srsnftcT ijft ^ ; These programmes will provide employment aft* opportunities to a good number of agricultural graduates and engineers also The State («r) f*rr frcvR fpr srcriTwfl % Government is expected to meet 50 per cent ftnter % amfw JTTngT, ( n ) ?r*TO*r ?nfr ^ qNr- «nmrc tro^tr, s tiw f, arfFRrrvRr, ^ff*r *ft3RT % *T£»rrarffr jgpam ^ awft x i m t e , * 1 * ^ , ssT$T«rrc, |^ T « n s M»i«rT/5rm sr^?r *p t f a r f i 5wr fw rarm i XLaM^M -- * V ^ ----- i*i|R v t amBW* w w w («r) tft $ n "rft^nrc faffcrc % " f a r ta ” «R faiw m % ST^TROI % SFSFff *T 8154 «ftwtwwRn! 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WT stt^ spt f \ i fft ?ft *%fo»ar- t o w it f \ ftn fsrarre atftjfaifJT % ar^ntcT OT^Tft OTrsr ix * t f a : ^q?s®Er 1?r«rT sprrcr^ ft srrer (* ) %qr ^7TTT % 1971-72 % f t sta t % snsrn: *cz TT^ft ^ ftfasr ’rm^riT sft f?y f®P5r% 3rrcwflr w$t f t # £ % srra f t ^ % f%9T(tpr fcq- «r, t o =3rr^ t i ( ^ ) 1972-73 % ta ft* sr»T ^ % z urew flratm % 33 3 *n? **Ht % a .^ ’fcr ffcR r iTR8rT?r t ^ t nqr «pt fw w ft to: snfaat *> t » *T ««w iV T ’pt^t t o srth^t »r9ms«rJt ^r nsrt it w m («»> **** fcn) : (t) to (*@r) f^sriT^r t o st^ tt % ^«r?g 8156 g*m wrm : v n *r 3r^f?T?r ^ ? r r f*r s r h t | :— «f«irc *r£t w 5tm% f t (far) farmn m nf«rar rr«n qihrqr fw * r sttt f^rtr qq faRrm t ir fUT STOST^t ®PT fa^TT fc ? % & * m Jr 3TRfrrCt ^ «Ft an T?t | t o wtsr ^t «i5t 5rsr «tt T9 ^ 3rrq»ft 1 IWTT *foft (*ft $»wft W f in m ) : ( * ) 3FSf cr*F f*p£ *TC I n w swr if ftarf^n m r«rf HfT fWfWT (m ) %$ ?r«Fsr *r fanmr % tft 8158. jiwr w f w i m • WT arm f$snr$ k x*£t otp-stt farro ^ f t «rm?r ^ i ^ f^rrotft % srsfta fN fir *f?ft u f f % tf* R <*t farWt ^r^rt^T *t af^fa, fa**rt $**tct w rrfrr *r% *ft 8T^tsr fa*rr «rr; qrprfHtft £t* ?fto ?rtft ^rr «*P^t *wfa % io o % f*T*if?r (m ) «ftt m i* ito srrf o % srenr* ^ TT i arstreraT $r tt^ sw % t t ^ t Sr w fadsm to r | ; ^ ^ftf^f?:^ fT^ s*£t- cTip (^ftft) Sr f*Wf*T5T ^ 9 f t 3IT?r- ( it ) irf%r ft, ?ft ?r «wt OTTt «pt *T?TC?TT % ^Pf5t ^ 'JtT’T f?TCTT& afk %*£t* SRfTC % T* STapTT % €to afto ^*t 5f> ^T??T (w ) irfe? 3t h V ^ fo*TT ar?TV ^lft*ft ^ g^?T ?lV#TT3ft »rai | ?ft w cMf f w srrr^rT7 anETTfTcT ^ 5 ^ «rcrft % $ t° ^to % ^ FT cWT WT *faf*RT t ? National Film Connell *15 tfwt *wt («ft f m w x 8161. DR. RANEN SEN Will the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Foreign Owned Plantation* and other Land* (Acquisition) Ordinance, 1971 MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR SINHA) • (a) and (b). The proposal to set 8163 SHRI C. K CHANDRAPPAN * up a Film Council is under active considera- Will tbe Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be tion of Government and a final decision in pleased to state tbe matter is likely to be taken shortly (a) whether the Foreign Owned Plania* Surrender by Dacoits tions and Other Lands (Acquisition) Ordinance 1971 of Kerala has not yet been cleared by the 8162. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR Home Ministry ; SHRI MAHADEEPAK SINGH SHAKYA * (b) if so, the reasons thereof , and Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (c) when it i» likely to be cleared ? be pleased to state . THE DEPUTY MINIS!ER IN THr (a) the number of decoit leaders and MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI their associates who surrende-ed so far , and F H MOHSIN) (a) to (c) The draft Ordi nance needs careful examination from the (b) the reward each decoit leader carried point of view of policy and is still under examination on his head ? I arapur Atomic Power Station THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFPAIRS (SHRI F H MOHSIN) (a) Twenty dacoit leaders 8164 SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP alongwith 291 dacoits have surrendered to the SINGH Will the Minister of ATOMIC authorities in Madhya Piadesh so far ENERGY be pleased to state (b) Cash rewards had been declared on (a) the reasons for some components thc heads of the dacoit leaders as below — located in high rcdiation areas in Tarapur Atomic Power Station coming out of align* ments, 1 Mohar Singh — Rs 2,00 000 2 Madho Singh — Rs 1,00 000 (b) whether this defeat was due to the 3 Nathu Singh — Rs 20000 phenomena of swelling of material* caused by 4 Makhan Singh - Rs 12 000 rediations, and 5 Harvilas Kachi — Rs 12,000 (c) if so, whether India posses the neces- Saru Singh — Rs 10,000 6 sary technical knowhow to cope with this — 12,L00 7 Chote Singh Rs problem 9 8 Lai Kalyan Singh — Rs 10,000 THE PRIMP MINISTER, MINISTER Jagjit Singh — Rs 10,000 9 OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 10 Bahadura Gujar — Rs 5,000 ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 11 Karaodi Kachi — Rs 5,000 AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFOR- 12 Kashiram — Rs 5,000 MATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI- 13. Pancham Singh — Rs 5 000 MATI INDIRA GANDHI) (a) Two of the 89 guide tubes in the reactor of Unit I of the Nabba Kumhar — Rs 5,000 14. Tarapur Atomic Power Station were unlatched _ 15. Kali charan Rs 5,000 from their thermal sleeves by the transmission 16. Ganba Chamar — R» 5,000 of rotational torque to these sleeves under 17. Mansa Ram — Rs. 3,000 hydraulic pressure — Rs 2,000 18 Lata Bhai (b) No* Sir 19 Rupa Gttfar — Rs. 1,000 20. Naresh Singh — R# 1,000 (c) Does not aefee. 14! W ritten Answers JYAISTHA IO, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 141 Foreign Exchange earned by Indian Rare Development In the Field of Earth* dnrfag 1971*72 Atomic Research 8165. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 8167. SHRI S.N. M ISRA : Will the SINGH : Witt the Minister of ATOMIC Minister of ATOMIC BNERGY be pleased to ENERGY be pleased to state : state : (a) the items of export on which the (a) The development in the field of atomic Indian Rare Earths has earned foreign ex* research during the last year. change during the year 1971-72; and (b) the number of places where generation (b) whether the exported minerals are of electricity has been taken up by the uie ; required in our country for atomic energy of atomic energy ; and generation ? (c) the name of the places, the amount THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER of power being generated at present and the OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF future expectancy within the next three ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME years ? AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFOR- MATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI- THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER OF MATI INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) and (b). ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF ELEC- During the year 1971-72, Indian Rare Earths TRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS L td , earned foreign exchange by exporting AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND Ilmenite, Rare Earths compounds. Zircon, BROADCASTING (SHRI MATI INDIRA Rutile, Stllimanite and Garnet. The items GANDHI): (a) Full details are given in the are required for the atomic energy programme Annual Report of the Department of Atomic and are exported after meeting internal Energy for the year 1971-72, copies of which requirements. have been circulated to the Members of Parliament and are available in the Parliament Use of Imported Cars by Ministers Library. 8166. SHRI S.N. M1SRA : Will the (b) and (c). Electricity is being generated PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : by the use of atomic energy at Tarapur Atomic Power Station which has an installed capacity of 420 MWe. In addition to the (a) which of the Cabinet and State Minis* Tarapur Atomic Power Station which has been ters are using the imported cars ; completed, the Rajasthan Atomic Power Station consisting of tWo units with a net (b) the names of the cars used by each capacity of 200 MWe each and the Madras one of them ; Atomic Power Station consisting of two units with a net capacity of 215 MWe each, are (c) how many Indian manufactured cars presently under construction. The two units are being used by them apart from the impor- of the Rajasthan Atomic Power Station and ted cars ; and the first unit of the Madras Atomic Power Station are expected to attain criticality within (d) the total expenditure for the last the next three years. financial year on the maintenance of the imported cars of the Ministers ? TA/DA of Industrial Development Minister THE PRIME MINISTER. MINISTER OF ATOMIC ENERGY. MINISTER OF 8168. SHRI S.N. MISRA : Will the ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMA- be pleased to state : TION AND BROADCASTING (SHR1MATI INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) to(d). The Infor- (a) the total amount of T.A. and D A. mation is being collected. It will be laid on that have been claimed by him monthly in the tbe Table of the House when available. financial year 1971-72 ; and 143 W ritten Answers MAY 11,1972 Written Answer s 144 (b) the amount paid, month*wise during It may be stated that there h a ceHing of the last financial year in respect of his Electri- Rs. 2400/- pet annum (Rs. 200/- p.m.) for city and Telephone Bills ? electricity and water charges in respect of residential portion of the Residence. The THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE excess expenditure has been paid for by the MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP* Minister. The use of high powered lights by MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : the Security staff at the Minister's residence (a) The total amount of T.A/D.A. claimed by for security reasons also adds to the electricity Minister of Industrial Development monthwise charges since these lights are connected with during the financial year, 1971*72 is indicated meters in the residential portion, below An expenditure of Rs. 57,319.66 has been Month T.A./D-A. Remarks incurred during 1971-72 on the telephones installed at the office and the residence of the Minister of Industrial Development. May, 1971 2,710.75 June, 1971 , 253,15 It is not possible to furnish monthwise July, 1971 4,337.00 figures of expenditure on telephones as the bills are not received on monthly basis. August. 71 3,830.70* T h is represents the expenditure Court-verdicts on 10-page Restriction of on T.A./D.A. for Newspapers Assumption of Charge, initially. 8169. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : Will September, 71 1,891.50 the Minister of INFORMATION AND October, 71 5,576.35 BROADCASTING be pleased to state : November, 71 2,250.00 December, 71 829.00 (a) which are the newspapers, so far, February. 72 1,672.00 who got verdicts from Courts in their favour March, 72 799.00 against the 10-page restriction ; and Total : 24,149.45 (b) the grounds on which the courts give these verdicts ? (b) Expenditure on Water and Electricity at the residence of the Minister of Industrial THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Development (including the office portion at MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND the residence) during 1971-72 is indicated BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR below :— SINHA) : fa) and (b). No newspaper has obtained any verdict from the Supreme Court or any other Court in if* favour against the Month Residential Office Por- 10-page restriction in the Newsprint Alloca- Portion of tion of the tion Policy for 1972-73. The Times o f India, the residence residence Hindustan Times and the Express Group of Newspapers have filed writ petitions in the April, 71' 146.54 97.75 Supreme Court. They have been granted an May, 71"| 264.37 176.25 interim injunction permitting increase in the June, 71J number of pages beyond ten within the July, 71 454.16 302.71 authorised quota. The petitions have been August, 71 386,86 157.90 listed for hearing on 19.7.1972. September, 71 314.25 209.51 New Telephone Exchanges In Delhi October, 71 243.81 162.53 November, 71 264.86 176,57 *170. SHRI A MAR NATH CHAWLA : December, 71 374 40 249.61 Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : January, 72 327.05 218.04 February, 72 348.15 232.10 (a) the number and location of new Telephone Exchanges likely to he opened 145 W ritten Answers JYAISTHA 10. 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 146 dtirjiig the year 1972 and the proposed dates after making a maximum of 10% reservation of their commissioning in D elhi; of the available equipped capacity for Casual, Temporary connections etc., the rest of the (b) the total capacity of each of these capacity is allocated as under Exchanges ; 1. O.Y.T. category ...... 70% (c) when the new Telephone connections are likely to be sanctioned from these Tele- 2. General category ...... 15% phone exchanges ; and 3. Special category ...... 15% (d) the percentage of the total telephone (7j% in turn and 7|% on out of connections proposed to be sanctioned to turn by T.A.C.) members of public under O.Y.T. category and under general category out of the capacity of (Specialcategory consists of Public men. the new Telephone Exchanges and from the Doctors, Public Institutions, Press, Agricul* old Telephone Exchanges where the position tural Farms and Small Scale Industries.) is likely to improve after transfer of some lines from these Exchanges to thc new ones ? jfiWT JTTr FTRHf fat? V? fTOTO T9HTT THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) (1) ldgah Telephone Exchange with 5,000 8171. f%$*nwr : f*rr lines capacity has been commissioned in the *sft 3rrrr% ^ f? (c) New connections will be given pro- 8172. sftfWTC : TOT gressively after the date of commissioning i z t top* ^ fa ; subject to availability of underground cables. (^?) fafsTrT a rftro f Tfar- (d) As per departmental instructions, *nt ^ % f^rtT xrtaprr aw ta % fafr? *?t 147 W ritten Answers MAY 31, 1972 Written Answers 148 1971-72 $ fasrsTT €PT f w t J ______2______3 4 5. «|ww*ft! w t qfoif* (b) if so, the reaction of the Government (*r) Ttftr * t 1972-73 thereto , and % ffttw «5pw *nfapT «R f^TT '3TT1^nT 1 (c) the additional amount proposed to be granted to each State in this regard ? (wrar THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN &L.. DHARIA) ■ (a) The Mid-term Appraisal of SnWTSft-. - . t ._ 1PRIW n dS the Fourth Plan places the availability of * »lf resources tor the public scctor Plan in money terms at approximately the same level as ongmally envisaged. However, in real terms, 1 * 3 4 the resources are expected to fall short of the 1. ftwn^iww original estimate by about Rs. 15S0 crores. v rafre ftrcrT % ?5tt ir (b) The matter is under consideration. q m 65.97 65.97t (c) No additional assistance is proposed ?, Owrw to be given to the States for financing their wt> «Qm n 65.oo approved State Plan outlays. 3. f iw if «1K f t ^ r «rtrow Annual loss as a result of illegal dealings in vnfh»r 5aw»r 0.41 0.411 Foreign Exchange 4. f f c im t w 8174. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 1 ) ffarfcarrtar 2.45 5 ^ state : 2) irortf (a) the average amount lost annually due farwrc to illegal dealings in foreign exchange ; and 149 W ritten Answers JYAISTHA 10 1894 {SAKA) Written Answers ISO (b) the dices filed by (he Enforcementrecruitment to which is made through the Directorate and the CBI against persons and I A S etc (Released Emergency Commissioned Companies during 1970-71 ? Officers and Short Service Commissioned Officers) Examination (including those THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE appointed to the Section Officers* Grade) is MINISTRY OF HOMF AFFAIRS AND fixed m terms of Rule 6 of the Released IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL Emergency Commissioned Officers and Short (SHRI RAM NIWAS M1RDHA) (a) It Service Commissioned Officers (Reservation of is difficult to arrive at any assessment of the vacancies) Rules, 1967/1971 read with the extent of loss of foreign exchange on account instructions contained in Ministry of Home of illegal transactions Affairs Office Memorandum No 9/18/69* Ests (C), dated 25th March, 1970 Rule 6(1) (b) The cases filed by the Enforcement(a) of the aforesaid rules states that in the Directorate and C B I against persons and case of Services of posts recruitment to which companies during 1970 and 1971 are as is made on the results of a competitive exaimn ttion conducted by the Union Public under — Service Commission, the released officer who competes successfully at the first or second Year No of cases No of cases in which available opportunity would be deemed to have registered charge sheet m connec- passed tbe examination at the first or second by Enfoice tion with violation of occasion he could have appeared at the rele* ment Direc- the F E R Act or vant examination had he not joined military torate complaints under that service and shall be assigned the year of Act were filed in court allotment correspondingly The intention by CBI underlying the issue of the afoiesaid rules and msti uctions is to give the released Emergency Commissioned Officers and Short Service 1970 1828 3 Commissioned Officers tbe benefit of their army service for pay fixation and seniority 1971 2021 5 taking *nto account the fact that they had missed an opportunity of entering civil services through regular examinations because of their Difference In pay of released L C Os appointed absence on military Service Thus, when a as Section Officers and Direct Recruit Section released officer is appointed against a reserved Officers vacancy in the Section Officers' Grade, be is already being allowed the concession of higher 8175 KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI initial pay fixation, treating him to be a direct Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to recruit of the deemed year of his appoint* state ment (a) whether the candidate appointed to Manufacture of Records with U« S. the Section Officer's Grade from released Collaboration Emergency Commissioned Officers are not being given the same pay as other direct recruit Section Officers of the corresponding 8176 KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI: year of allotment, if so, the reasons therefor , Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- and LOPMENT be pleased to state (b) the measures taken to remove this (a) whether the Columbia Broad~c**ting anomaly ? system of U S A has been granted a lioence by the Government of India for setting up THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE business in record manufacturing In coilabo* MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND ration with some Indian entrepreneurs ; and IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) (a) and (b) if so, the outlines of project aad the (b) The initial pay of the release 1 officers time which Columbia Broadcasting Systenj appointed to reserved vacancies in a Service would start its business ? 151 W ritten Answers MAY 31. 1972 Written Answers 152 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Bengal (over and above 24 accredited upto 1st MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- January, 1971). MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : fa) and (b). The manufacture of Gramo- 1. Shri Nitya Chakravorty (Kalantar, phone Records is not covered under the Calcutta) : Industries (Development and Regulation) Act, 1951 as the item is a non-seheduled industry. 2. Shri S. Viswam {Statesman, Calcutta and Delhi) : M/s. Watmir Industries, Bombay had .bees granted approval in November, 1963 for 3. Shri Nitish Chakravarty (Ananda the manufacture of Gramophone Records in Bazar Patrika, Calcutta) collaboration with M/s. Colombia Broad- casting System Inc. of U.S.A. who have been 4. Shri S. Venkatesh (Statesman, Calcutta allow' d equity participation to the extent of and Delhi) 49%., The finalised agreement in this regard has been taken on record. Accredited Small Newspaper Representatives M/s Watmir Industries had also been 8178. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : granted approval in December, 1966 for terms Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND tef collaboration with the same U.S.A. party BROADCASTING be pleased to state : for the manufacture of foreign repertoire on the basis of payment of royalty ; finalised (a) whether a relatively liberal approach is agreement confirming to the approved terms being followed in thc matter of accreditation of collaboration is awaited. facilities/opportunities for conducted tours for representatives of small newspapers ; In February, 1972, the firm informed this Ministry that they have already made arrange* (b) the total number of applications recei- ments to commence the production of ved from thc representatives of small news- records. papers trom Orissi and Bihar, District-wise ; and ' Accredited Indian and Forcighn Correspondents (c) the number and names of persons who 8177. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI were : given accreditation ? Will the Minister or INFORMATION AND broadcasting be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND (a) the total number of Indian and foreign BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR Press Correspondents accredited at Government SINHA) ; (a) Yes, Sir, Head-quarters during the period from 1st January, 1971 to 31st March, 1972 ; and (b) In the last three years two small news- papers of Bihar from Patna and Muzaffarpur (b) the number and names of correspon- applied for accreditation of their correspon- dents out of those who were from Bihar and dents in Delhi. West Bengal ? There was no application from any small THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE newspaper of Orissa during the same period* . MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR (c) Shri Manmohan Prasad was granted SINHA) : (a) 77. accreditation in December, 1970 on behalf of Vish vabandhu, Patna. His accreditation lapsed 1 (b) Dtjriog the period mentioned in part after he ceased to work for the newspaper. (a) of tfcequestion while no additional corres- pondent was accredited from any news organi- Production beyond licensed capacity by M/s. . sation from Bihar, (over and above 4 corres- Union Carbide V SWdmte already accredited upto 1st January 1P74) Ihe following correspondents were accre- 8179. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will dited from news organisations from West the Minuter of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 133 W ritten Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 154 MENT be pleased to refer to the reply given (d) Docs not arise. to S aned Question No. €63 on the 3rd May, 1972 regarding production of Torches by M/s. Indian Delegation gone to Moscow In Con»iec;i >n Union Carbide beyond licensed capacity and with Space Research Programme state: 8180. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP (a) whether the conditions mentioned SINGH : Will the Minister of ATOMIC therein whereby manufacturing Units may be ENERGY be pleased to state : permitted to increase production beyond their licensed capacity are applicable to Indian com- fa) whether an Indian delegation has gone panies only or to foreign companies a Is >; to Moscow to secure collaboration in our space research programme ; and (b) the quantity of Brass Sheets utilised for manufacture of Torches during the last (b) if so, the main objectives and features three years by M/s. Union Carbide ; thereof ? (c) whether there is any control, statutory THE PRIME MINISTER, MiNlSTER or otherwise, over distribution of Brass Sheets OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF to various manufacturers ; and ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFOR- (d) if so, whether Government liavc appro- MATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI- ved such higher distribution to Union Curbidc MATI INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) Yes, Sir. to enable them to raise their output of torchcs more than 50 percent above their licensed (b) Copies of the Press Release issued capacity *? on the subjcct arc available in the Parliament Library. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY Of* INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : Administrative Set-up in Laccadive Islands (a) The relaxation in the conditions about the increase in production beyond the licenced 8181. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will the capacities of the units is applicable to both Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to Indian and foreign companies, state : (b) The following quantities of brass sheets (a) whether the Government’s attention were utilised by the Company for production has been drawn to the reports appearing in the of torchcs during the last three years : “Times Weekly” dated the 7th May, 1972 regarding the living conditions and administra- tive set-up of Laccadives Islands : and 1969 1970 1971 (In tonnes) (b) if so, what additional steps are propo- sed to be taken to improve the administrative Brass sheets used 426 600 677 set-up there to bring about speedy social and economic reforms ? (c) While there is no stautory control o'.er THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE the distribution of brass sheets, on one or two MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI occassioos when the manufacturing units F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes, Sir. approached the Governmenit with their difficul- ties in securing adequate quantities of brass sheets, their difficulties have been brought to (b) The existing administrative set-i«p in tbe notice of the manufacturers of brass sheets the Union Territory of Laccadive, Mi&icoy With a request to help them, Ordinarily, the and Amindivi Islands is adequately geared to industries requiring brass sheets make their bring about speedy social and economic own arrangements with the brass sheet manu- reforms. No major changes in the administra- factures for tr,eetii>g theirrcquirements tive set-up are contcmpla'cd. 155 W tittea Answers MAY 31,1972 Wrkten Answers 156 Lfftct of Installation of Computer to Colgate Private Limited has any association with an Palmolive (India) Private Ltd,, on Profit Internationa] Company la manufacturing thetr products , 8182 SHRI K LAKKAPPA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT (b) if so, the nature of association , and be pleased to state (c) the sale proceeds of the Company fa) whether due to installation of Com* during the last three years ? puter by Colgate Palmolive (India) Private Ltd at Bombay the profits of the Company have THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE increased , MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) (b) if so, the precentage of Increase m (a) and (b) M/s Colgate Palmolive (Indja) profits, and Pvt Ltd , is a 100% subsidiary of M/s Colgate Palmolive Co of U S A (c) whether the prices of their products have been reduced ? (c) 1 he gross sale proceeds of this Com- pany for the years 1968, 1969 & 1970 are given below — THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) YEAR Rs Jm lakhs) (a) to (c) Information is being collected and 1968 877 49 will be laid on the Table of the House, 1969 944 39 1970 810 76 Suspended * mployees of A I R , Delhi Profits to Colgate Palmolive (India) Private 8183 SHRI HUKAM CHAND KACH- Limited by underfilling the Products WAI Will the Minister of 1NFORMA TION AND BROADCASTINO be pleased to state 8185 SHRI K LAKKAPPA Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVEI OPMENT (a) the number of employees suspended be pleased to state during last three years in the All India Radio, Delhi (a) whether it has been brought to the notice of Government that fabulous profit has (b) the number of employees suspended on been made by Colgate Palmolive (India) Private the charge of bigamous marriage out of them , L'd by giving less than the indicated quantity and of their products to customers and (c) the number of bigamous marriage cases (b) if so the action Government propose in which charge sheet has been changed more to take in this regard ? than once ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE THE MINISTER Or STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF- INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI (a) and (b) Complaints to this effect have SATPATHY) (a) Thirteen been made to Government They are being enquired into (b) and (c), Nil Amoaot Spent on Ministers by way ofT A. Sale Proceeds of Colgate Palmolive (India) D A and other Allowances Private Ltd. *186 SHRI D K PANDA WS1 tbe 8184 SHRI K LAKKAPPA Wilt the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to Minuter of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT state be pleased to state (a) the total amount of money spent oft (a) whether Colgate Palmolive (India) each Union Minister# Minister of State and 15? W ritten Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 158 Deputy Minister by way of T. A., D. A. Price and quality of Blades manufactured In Entertainment Allowances, Maintenance and India Rent of bouses and other perquisites and pecuniary benefits during the past one year; 8188. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (b) how this expenditure on each one of MENT be pleased to state : them compares with their salary ; and (a) Whether Government are aware that (c) the average ratio batween the salaries the quality of razor blades of popular brands of Ministers and other expenses on them ? like (he Erasmic Silk-edge, Ashoka stainless and Panama stainless has deteriorated consi- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE derably since their production in India com- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI menced, while their prices have gradually in- F. H MOHSIN) : (a) to (c). The informa- creased ; tion is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and Disparity in Per Capita Dally Income in Rural (c) the steps contemplated to ensure res- and Urban Areas toration of quality of these blades and to reduce their prices ? 8187. SHRI D K. PANDA : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (a) whether sharp disparities exist between MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : the per capi a daily income in the rural and (a) to (c). Government are aware that there urban areas in the country ; is room for improving the quality of lazor blades manufactured in the country and have (b) if so, the comparative figures for each recently advised the indigenous manufacturers State/Union Territory during 1970-71 and to take suitable steps to effect significant imp- 1971-72 and tor the whole country ; and rovement in the quality of their products The increase in prices of blades is mainly due to (c) the steps being taken to remove these increase in cost of raw materials. Also, there disparities ? was a drop in production due to closure of a major manufacturing unit for several months. Additional units have been licensed/issued THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER OF letters of intent for the manufacture of lazor ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF ELEC- blades to increase production and introduce TRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND competition. BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) & (b). This information is Re-employment of Retired Officers of Indian not available as estimates of per capita in- Statistical Service In Nation*! Sample come are not made for rural and urban areas Survey separately. 8189. SHRI ISHAQ SAMBHALI t Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (c) Of the various measures directed to- wards reduction of disparities between incomes in urban and rural areas mention may be (a) whether some retired officers or those made of plan programmes to increase agricul- on L. P. R. of Grade III of the Indian Stati- tural productivity, setting up of development stical Service have been or are being le-emp- agencies for small farmers, projects for margi- loyed in the National Sample Suryey ; if so, nal farmers and agricultural labourers, increa- the reasons therefore and the period of re- sed provision of agricultural credit, cresh employment in each case ; scheme for rural employment, the drought prone areas programme and other measures (b) Whether in view of the stagnation in to create larger employment opportunities and the promotion of 1. S. S. Officers to Grade III to promote development of industries In rural and above. Government would reconsider areas. such a m ove; and 159 W ritten Answers MAY 31. 1972 Written Answers 160 (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF HEC- (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) * A TRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS statement giving the required information as AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND on 1st January, 1971 is laid on the Table of BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI INDIRA the House t Placed in Library See No GANDHI) (a) No, Sir LT-—3145/72 1 (b) Does not arise Number of Scheduled Cartes Members of Planning Commission (c) Docs not arise 8192 SHRI AMBESH Will the Judgement of Supreme Court on Detention of Citizens PRIME MINISTFR be pleased to state 8190 SHRI JYOTIRMNY BOSU Will l THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE were included in the various training pro- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI grammes abroad as it would enable them ro F. II. MOHSIN) : (a) No, Sir. broaden their outlook and also build up specialised knowledge. It was also likely to (b) Does not arise. boost up the morale of the officers of these communities These consideration are kept Scheduled Caste Persons sponsored for U. N. O , in mind while making selections. I. L. O. and other Foreign Assignments Import and Manufacture of Computers 8194. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 8195. SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO : Will sta te : the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (a) whether Government have finalised (a) the number of Scheduled Caste guidelines for the import and manufacture of persons who have been sponsored for U.N O , all type of computer^ and other electronic I.L.O. and foreign assignments, fellowships equipment; and scholarships abroad during the last three years; (b) if so, what are those guidelines; and (b) the number of Scheduled Castes employees in Indian Embassies abroad ; and (c) the number of computers being imported and the foreign exchange involved ? (c) the broad outlines of the policy of Government in respect of making available THF MINISTER OF STATE IN THE these opportunities to members belonging to MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Scheduled Castes so that full benefit of the K. C PANT) : (a) and (b). The finalised training/assignment is also derived for the guidelines in regard to import and manufac- development of weaker sections of the ture of computers and associated equipment society ? are as under THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (i) Indigenous design and production MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN in the field of computers will be THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL encouraged with a view to achieve (SHRI RAM NIWAS M1RDHA) : (a) No self-reliance. separate statistics of Scheduled Caste persons sponsored for foreign assignments, fellowships and scholarships abroad are maintained. (it) No manufactunng programme based on the renovation of ‘As Is' machines will be accepted in future as a matter (b) 52. of national policy. (c) There is no reservation for Scheduled Castes in assignments under the international (iii) All manufactunng programmes for organisations and the foreign governments. computer systems in the future will In view of keen competition for such assign* be based on terms, and conditions as meats and the fact that selection in such cases generally applicable to all other is made by foreign bodies, only the best manufacturing programmes in the among the available candidates who can stand country. on their own in international competition are sponsored. There is no country reservation (iv) Manufacturing programmes with in the field assignments under the international majority foreign collaboration will be organisations. As regards training abroad, generally accepted on a 100% export Government have already issued instructions basis. to the effect that while deputing officers, preference should be given to officers of (y) Alt users should first attempt to Scheduled Castes. Government have speci- meet their in-house requirements fically drawn attention to the fact that it through computers available in tbe would be useful if officers of Scheduled Castes Indian market and additionally draw 163 W ritten Answers MAY 31,1972 Wrtttt* Answers 164 on the facilities offered fay Regional Government is taking steps to implement Computer Centres. them. The entire expenditure on the occupied areas is being borne by the Central Govern- (vi) Computers, other than those available ment. in tbe Indian market through Indian manufacturing programmes, Inadequate Postal Staff will be regarded as expensive items of import. Accordingly, require* 8197. SHRI K KODANDA RAMI ments for in-house computer facili- REDDY : Will the Minister of COMMUNI- ties, involving import of such CATIONS be pleased to state : systems, will have to be considered on the merits of the case as seen in (a) whether the postal staff employed at terms of the relevance of such present is inadequate to serve the needs of the applications to national development Department; programme and related priorities. (b) whether there is any proposal to recruit a large number of people to the (c) The proposals for import of com* Department; and puters are being specially scrutinized by the Department of Electronics in the context of (c) if so, number of people to be recruited the above guidelines. and categories thereof ? Assistance for relief to People of Pakistan living In Areas under India's Control THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 8196. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : Will theThe standards prescribed for sanction of staff Minister of HOME AFFAIRS bs pleased to arc adequate to meet the needs ; tbe staff state : actually in position is generally spearing, adequate to serve the needs of the Department. The shortage, if any, varies from circle to (a) whether the Gujarat Government circle and the overall shortage is not much. have sought the help of the Centre to provide relief to the people of Pakistani territory now (b) and (c). Recruitment is done at Circle under India’s control ; and Divisional levels and is undertaken in accordance with the recruitment rules, once or (b) whether Government have also receiv- twice a year depending on the categories of ed a representation from the people at posts. Hence the precise figures for recruit- Nagarparkar stating that they are facing hard- ment to various cadres in the different recruit- ship because of their inability to earn their ing units are not readily available. Number livelihood ; and of persons to be recruited in different cate- gories in various units are notified by advertise- (c) if so, the action taken in the matter ? ments and also to the Employment exchange THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE wherever necessary. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) to (c). Only one D.A.V.P, Advertisements to Cbhotaaagpwr representation from some Harijans of Nagar- Weeklies parkar area has been received requesting for employment. The Government has been fully 8198. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : aware of the problems of the residents of the Wilt the Minister of INFORMATION AND Pakistani area under our occupation and steps BROADCASTING be pleased to state ; have been taken for their safety and security, continuous supply of essential commodities (a) whether small weeklies of Chhott&af- and adequate medical attention. The indigent pur in Bihar are sbowit negligence in regard persons are being provided relief assistance. to releasing of advertising materials frert Tbe Government of Gujarat has formulated Department of Audio Visual publicity ; certain schemes to provide short-term employ- ment to the people. Concurrence of the (b) if so, the reasons thereof; and' Government of India in principle to the tchemct has been conveyed and the State (t) if not, the number of smatl weekffet 165 W ritten Answers JYAISTHA 10, 1894 {SAKA) Written Answers 166 which are is Chhotanagpur and number of (a) whether any new formula has been those getting advertising materials from evolved for the recruitment of scientists ; and D.A.V.P. 1 (b) if so, the main changes made ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE • MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND THE MINISTER OF PLANNING AND BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR MINISTER OF DEPARTMENT OF SINGH) : (a) to (c). No Sir. It is the policy SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C of Government to make increasing use of SUBRAMANIAM) : (a) and (b). The stand* small and medium newspapers and periodicals, ing Group of Ministers on Science and Tech* particularly those published io Indian langua- nology have appointed a Committee under the ges, according to publicity requirements and Chairmanship of the Minister of Planning, availability of funds, provided the publications Science and Technologv and consisting of the fulfil the criteria laid down by Government Minister of State in the Department of Per- for the purpose. According to the records of sonnel and the Cabinet Secretary to review tbe Registrar of Newspapers for India, 21 the Personnel policy and recruitment practices weeklies are published from Chhotanagpur. of Scientific organizations and Departments Of these, 4 are being used by D A.V P. for who recruit their scientific staff through Central Government advertisements and 2 U.P.S.C. The Committee is still engaged in more are on their media list. Requests from its labours. 3 could not be accepted owing to their irre- gularity in publication or low figure of circula- tion. The cases of 2 weeklies are still under f a «wT consideration. No request has been received from the other weeklies. 8201. f w r : w r sftr m f t t f a : National Postal Code 8199. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : Will the (*r) 1971 * arm iPirft t o f t Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased ‘3t t % f a amr* & r o r f a r to state : sfruT ^ * t a f w *wr nfr* 8|f?nT THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (■t ) vnhar srcrrfar «r % TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) % fotT 5TT T # & ? Yes. (b) National Postal Code is a system of aftr sranro * x m *WV denoting delivery post offices throughout the country by certain numbers or alphabets or a sm t) : (v) fa 3r combination of both. When indicated by the irfrfffiraf ?r«n Tre'ta % public along with the conventional address on *r«rfafcr mwwlf % $r the letters, sorting of mail is simplified and routing to the destination is rationalised An aR?TT I 1971 % W ’fqTffT 9 appropriate National Code for India is still in * raW f/w tf 262 i the stage of formulation. Recruitment of Scientists («r) ftffo «pnh« ur* r t % arfferv ft v r % sm far «rr, £200. SHRI P. M MEHTA : Wiil the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY ^fVTfrerr % f a y v r t t ^ be pleased to state : ^ it* ^ w M s m r *r i 167 W ritten Answers MAY 31, 1972 W ritten Answers 168 (ir) ** v r f o ? tit %* anr^a % (b) If so, their names, the posts held tgr them under the Uttar Pradesh Government •fwwnwft % fiitff vnlviv (c) the terms and conditions and the ____ J^i ^ ______1 posts ^ ______against^ which ...... they have been appointed* WtHW h i^Wff 8f|T VIW? W i t ! in the IT!, Nahn? it 'PftfTt w n THE MINISTER OP COMMUNICA- 8202. «ft fw r s « m TIONS (SHRI H N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) to (c) Yes Only one Officer namely. Shri sft? srcm «rar% tft s^r fa • S N Saxena, Deputy Labour Commissioner of the Government of Uttar Pradesh, has been (ap) ansfrmMt % &*T VTfa* taken on deputation in the Nam! Unit of the f^rtrm & smrfrcr f%tr arr% fipft aftr Indian Telephone Industries Limited The mon- thly emoluments drawn by him in his parent Sttrcft sp rfo tf % a rr^ r tf fa n : w& % Department were Rs 1200(- He is working fawr «m t; as Manager, Personnel and Administration, in the Naini Unit in the pay group of Rs 1150* (*r) «rt s?r finrnr ^ ss *$ $r «*r 1500 The terms and conditions of his depu- tation are being finalized *ft«S % 3TJ%^r SsftOT* «pr*r v r ft Setting up a big Industry by Foreign Countries and their Capital Investment m | fare* ^ Jw p w r 8208. SHRI MARTAND SINGH i Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (n) W STVIT MENT be pleased to state: vr fHtarar four | (a) whether some foreign countries have f m jarr $ *wnr«rc approached the Government for setting up fip^rsTT t o $ an *wr; big industries ia India ; and { ^ ) VTT VXVR 1ST f o n t W fcrflV (b) if so, tbe broad outlines of their pro* posal regarding their capital investment In artaff m w*n% % fwi* .sm % India ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- ( s f ) mHs ^ i fsffircrt MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : enrr «rc fvrcft. | aftr ■ I; (^) aft, ?r^i ( « ) w wm\x m fam wpftw ( f ) n r*?w tit 1969 W f 173 W ritten Answers JYAISTHA 10,1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 174 1970 H V«RT r i m 2,500 srftat a iM *rf (b) whether any of them are proposed to be set up in Qutlon District of Kerala fctate 7 *ft, f W f w r m « w 1 *r jrfforfi w g rr Jrfenrt am * THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Mt *nfm afrf srfirat, 5r«nfar wrfaw MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 11 w r t v % j r a THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 8213. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- REDDY: Will the Minister of HOME MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (a) No such scheme has been received in the Ministry of Industrial Development. (a) whether legislators from Rayalaseema region in Andhra Pradesh have in a memo- (b) Does not arise. randum requested the Prime Minister to.set up a Regional Committee for Rayalaseema Setting op of Industries In Qotton (Kerala) on the pattern of Telengana Regional Com- mittee ; 8211. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN* KAPPAN : WlH the Minister of INDUS- (b) the other demands made therein ; and TRIAL' DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: (c) the reaction of Government thereto ? (a) whether there are any applications pendiog for the grant of licences for industrial THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE twits to be set up in the State of Kerala ; and MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 175 Written AnswerI MAY *1, 1972 Written Answers 176 F. H. MOHSIN): (a) and (b). A memo- (c) Government can understand the desire randum was presented to the Prime Minister of the legislators to promote the welfare of by tbe Legislators of Rayalaseema at the people of Rayalaseema. The object is to Hyderabad on April 28, 1972 demanding be achieved through planned development, inter alia the setting up of a regional com* and tbe backwardness of the Rayalaseema mittee for the Ray&laseema districts on tbe area has been taken note o f by tbe State lines of Telengana Regional Committee. The Government in allocating annual plan out- other demands made in the memorandum are lays. as follows Industries hi Rayalaseema (A.P.) (i) ‘Wells projects' should be taken up by Government as an emergency 8214. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI measure to eradicate famine. REDDY : Will the Minister of INDUS- TRIAL DEVELOPMENT be pleased to ? (ii) For effective implementation of the state : ‘wells project’, power is essential. (a) the number and names of the new The Central Government may, industries, large, medium and small-scale, therefore, take over the Srisailaip which have been set up in Rayalaseema region Hydro-Electric project presently of Andhra Pradesh since 1969-70 ; under execution and speed up its completion. (b) the amounts invested by the Centre, State and financial institutions in those indus- tries ; and (in) Industries like pig-iron plant, paper plant, tractor plant, ail engines and pump-set manufacturing plant, fertili- (c) the number and names of industries ser complex, sugar factories and also proposed to be set up during 1972-73 in that other mineral based industries may be area ? started in this region to provide employment and remove economic THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE backwardness. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : (iv) The villages in Rayalaseema Dis- (a) and (c) On the basis of the information tricts should be electrified waiving received from the Andhra Pradesh Govern- the condition of remunerative per- ment there are 19 medium sector units, 2 centage of returns of a village heavy industrial units and 6 new units in the scheme, Rayalaseema region of the State vide State- ment laid on the Table of the House— I Placed in Library. See No. LT-3146/72J. (v) The East and West Canals of the The dates on which these were set up and the old Stddheswaram (Krishna Ptmnar) information regarding small sector units are project should be taken up from the not available. fore shore of the Srisailam project to irrigate 6 lakh acres in Kurnool and Cuddapah districts. (b) while there is no Central industrial project in that area, information relating to investment by the State Government and (vl) Drinking water supply should be financial institutions in that region is not made available to all villages by readily available. providing four rigs for each districts. Issue of CM UM M ntiN Stamp of Shri (vii) A sum of not less than Rs. 50 crores T. Prakasam P*ntiralu to coincide with should be allocated for each district Ms birth Centenary of Rayalaseema in the 4th Plan in 8215. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI order to eradicate famine perma- REDDY : Will the Minister of COMMUNI- nently. The Government may raise CATIONS be pleased to sta'e : loans from L1C, World Bank and other financial institutions to meet (a) whether the Andhra Pradesh Govern* these needs. ment has requested the Centre to so arrange *77 W ritten Answers JYA1STHA lO, 1894 Written Answers 178 the issue Of commemorative stamp of Shri T. Ltd. proposes to establish such workshops ia Prtkasam Pantbuiu as to coincide with the other countries also 1 birth centenary celebrations of the leader; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (b) if so, the reaction of Government ? MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : (a) Hindustan Machine Tools are considering THTE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- a proposal to establish an essembly base at TIONS (SHRI H.N. BAHUGUNA): (a) Yes, Luxembourg. Sir. (b) Approximate capital expenditure will be Rs 15 lakhs. (b) It has been decided to issue a Com- memorative stamp on Shri T. Prakasam (c) No, Sir. Panthufu, in tJie year 1972 RcgionalUation Plan formulated by Andhra Pradesh Nuclear Power Plant in Andhra Pradesh 8218. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : #216. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI Will the Minister or PLANNING be pleased REpDY : Will the Minister of ATOMIC to state : ENERGY be pleased to state : (a) whether his attention has been drawn (a) whether the site selection committee to the statement made by the Chief Minister had recommended Somasila in Mehboobnagar of Andhra Pradesh regarding the submission district of Andhra Pradesh as best sui'ed for to the Centre of a regionalization plan foimu- setting up a nuclear power plant ; and tated by the State Government ; and (b) if so, the reasons for delay in starting (b) if so. the main features of the plan preliminary work there ? and the Centre’s reaction thereon ? THE PRIME MINISTER. MINISTER THE MINISTER OF SPATE IN THF OF ATOMIC ENERGY. MINISTER OF MINISTRY OF PLANNING fSHRl MOHAN ELECTRONICS. MINISTER OF HOME DHARIA) : (a) It is presumed that the AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMA- Ilon’ble Member is referring to the scheme TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI for the regional isation of service cadres in INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) No, Sir. The Site Andhra Pradesh. If so, proposals for Selection Committee has not yet completed regionalizing the service cadres ia regard to investigations of sites in the Southern Electri- 32 departments have been submitted recen ly city Region, by the State Government to the Department of Personnel (Cabinet Secretariat) for (b) Does not arise. approval Proposal to set up H.M.T. workshop (b) The main features of the scheme is in Lwtembcrg to divide Statewide service cadre* into Regional cadres, wherever possible, for 821?. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA ; administrative convenience. The detailed Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- scheme for each Department is under exami- LOPMENT be pleased to state ; nation. (a) whether the Hindustan Machine Tool* Issue of licences for developed and Ltd. propose to establish • Workshop at backward areas Luxemberg ; 8219. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : (b) if so, tbe expenditure involved in SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: establishing this Workshop ; and Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL ' (c) whether Hindustan Machine Tools DEVELOPMENT he pleased to state tbe 179 W rittenAnswers MAY 31,1972 Written Answers i«0 number of industrial licences issued for MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP* developed areas and backward anas of each MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : State during tbe last three years ? A statement showing the requisite information is given below : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE State No. of industrial licences No. of industrial licences issued relating to location of issued relating to location of industrial units in backward industrial units in areas areas other than backward areas 1969 1970 1971 1969 1970 1971 1. Andhra Pradesh 2 1 5 4 13 34 1 2. Assam 1 1 4 1 3. Bihar 1 6 4 7 16 20 4. Delhi 2 3 12 5. Gujarat 1 3 4 18 34 63 6. Himachal Pradesh — I 7. Haryana _ 2 1 6 25 32 8. Jammu & Kashmir — 1 — — 1 : 9. Kerala 2 10 7 10. Madhya Pradesh 9 3 2 11 11. Maharashtia 3 15 6 78 91 162 12. Mysore 1 4 6 4 13 16 13. Orissa 1 1 1 2 3 7 14. Pondicherry — — 1 15. Punjab — 2 — 1 9 13 16. Rajasthan — 2 7 — 5 9 17. Tamil Nadu 4 13 12 8 22 40 18. Uttar Pradesh — 1 4 8 25 44 19. West Bengal 5 8 12 59 33 72 20. More than one State _ _ —— 3 «N ! v t m w w rf (»r) $f, at aita*rr & qrsft % f a * *tW ffa s n ? 8220. »£WW?S *WT : aPJT sr?n% ffRT ^ f a : sfaWT ^ TlWf *flft tnfOTi) : (V) % (IT). (*r) «ptt *fenrr % sr t sr* *faRT awfsr fiTTTT apflfr w w f m ^ w m i % f w w 5? % aRifar ffnfar ^ a r ^ T *ft4 wi-ara: WQijf 125 URtf 11 *r? ^ tfta sfaR iaff a rtffa r ffsrofrr % 55*^ $ i fFrtrfa«f% *rtff * # «r- («r) qfa $t, «rcr w r w t o e t t TOfT nRjft Sf *WW ^ r M t r | a*? |*Nr «nnTw«r 1*1 W ritten Answers JYAiStHA lOt 1894 ($A*A) Written Answers IS2 ew r jw h t f t w f w m f t (a) whether the Hindustan Machine Tools Limited has not set up any research Sr r a r *ferf * t ?rtafr$ $■ wn?»fV i development organisation, and w % •FWfalVT % fwtr, (b) if so, the steps Government propose to Ir * ^ r ? f t £ sft % 100 f r l ffTw»r take to encourage research work in the under- taking ? ft**r 5TT=cT W?& ft srare*n f t »l£ § I v f t Ir 50 *WY *ft3FTT % cfh 2rcff % THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE sneer ffpft«r aiw a r r^ r f t m m * r snrorT* ^ «fV, % f«cr Trar?«rm sfarcr *r 20 (® ) *f*n «r^t M v war «ft qrct* ft a r w r qft »rf $ i *sr% fanr- t 8ftr ftft qtarsrr % s m 3 *«ff % ftU * SFflTfaRr sr«rf 7.78 * f t* «ft f^rr i srrf«r* vtamT ( n ) srfif s t , a t ^?swt % % *972-73 % foq srrcr srfowr *r$ram ipj ihfnser % w ieit («ft t^Bo ipro S*tW % SRPfa TTarWT STWT % apft : ( v ) Ir ( ,*t) . snfsr- *rtf ?f# *«rt 11 vrfrxft ^ srwTrwa | afar sritgr 3% ?ptt «tt T«r fcerr arr^»rr i w ?*ft*r Ir RcMardt and Devetapmeot work in 8223 SHRI SHIVNATH SINGH H.M. r. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state 8221. SHRI FATESNOHRAO GAEK- WAD * Will tile Minister of INDUSTRIAL (a) whether the Central Government H e v eL O m e N T be pteased to state propose to grant pension to those fijedom 183 W ritten Answers MAY 31,1972 Written Answers 4*4 fighter* of the country who underwent a foa? *n* it t «r?m%w w * r lesser period of imprisonment than six months but had to suffer considerably m other ways, such as losing of Government Service for ever Tift I 8Rf: m m sftTT or earty retirement from service e tc .; and t?ftv f§er $ gt«n i (b) if not, the raisons therefor ? (*r) fnwiT t i t i r if#r 1 1 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ( * ) STST ?T#f SSST | F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) No. Sir. Registration of Cases for practising unWuch- (b) The scheme formulated by tbe Govern- ability and Persons awarded Punishment on this Accovnt ment of India is intended to cover only those freedom fighters who have suffered imprison- 8225 SHRI SHASHI BHUSIIAN ‘.Will ment in the mainland jails for not less than the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased six months. The families of martyrs and such to state the total number of cases regarding freedom fighters as are no longer alive are practising untouchabiilty registered and the also covered by the scheme. number of persons awarded punishment on thii account during the last three years, year-wise and State-wise in the country ? f*w[ wngpft THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE TTR* fatr ifvr ijc?f MINISTRY Or HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 1 F H MOHSIN) The miormation is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the 8224. i t o (w ) s fe IT, ?T> WT THE MINISTER OF PLANNING A*ND MINISTER OF DEPARTMENT OF SCIEN- CE AND TECENOLOGY (SHRI C. (*r) wr ss «rm% w m t x I f r SUBRA MAN1 AM ): No, Sir. q r f w t f t m n It is for tbe Scientists of a region to set I; up their own academies or scientific socie- ties. («r) *rfir|t, at CORRECTION OF ANSWER TO •W Tf ? USQ No. 4953 DATED 16.12.1970 RE USE OF STAFF CAR IN w w r w r vifnv flmw S w r CIVIL DEFENCE ORGA- NISATION IN DELHI ifoft (tft m f*WW fw f) : («p ) aftr (w). 8 iff, THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TH£ a rt^ r it st «ffar f*R«m MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS F. H. MOHS1N) : The information laid on SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : I refer to you as the Table of ihe House in response to para protector of our rights and custodian of our (c) of tbe above mentioned question may be privileges I, a member of Parliament, am corrected as follows being harrassed by the Central Intelligence All those visitors who come to me are interrupted “During tbe period of 1st April, 1968 to and harassed I am followed and shadowed by 30th September, 1969, Maj Gen that car every day As a Member of Parlia- Bfeagwati Singh, Director of Civil ment, I am not allowed to function freely. I Defence and Commandant General may be fold, Sir, whether I am living in a Home Guards, Delhi, visited various democratic republic of India Or in Police State .. places 2,067 times” . The director of Civil Defence, Delhi and MR. SPEAKER : There is no privilege involved. Delhi Administration were requested in December, 1970, to supply information in respect of part (d) of the question for fulfilling SHRI S A. SHAMIM : If you had the assurance. A statement containing infor- doubted my statement, I could have corrobo* mation was received from the Director of Civil rated or substantiated. You havo observed. Defence, Delhi, in April, 1971. Delhi Adminis- Sir, that there is no brcach of privilege invol- tration was requested to scrutinise this state- ved... ment and to certify its correctness before it could be sent to the Depaitment of Parliamentary MR. SPEAKER : No breach of privilege Affairs for laying it on the Table of the is involved. House. SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : 1 am not 2. Delhi Administration deputed a senior allowed to function freely as a ‘Member of officer for fcrutmismg the statement with Parliament. reference to the logbooks of the staff cars pertaining to the period 1st April, 1968 to MR. SPEAKER : I see you sitting all 30th September, 1969, and other relevant right in the House. records. During the course of scrutiny certain discrepancies came to light and Delhi SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi) : This is Administration finally certified the correctness a serious matter. Telephones are tapped and of the statement in January 1972 A further we are shadowed . (interruptions) scrutiny of the statement had to be made in the Ministry, Thereafter the statement was translated into Hindi and sent to the MR. SPEAKER : Whatever Government Department of Parliamentary Affairs for does is administrative or for other security being hud on the Table of the House in ful- reasons 1 am not there to judge about it. filment of the assurance. *rm fifift wrW t (**rfowrr) : 3. AH this accounts for the dalay in v & m ■rn’ q ? i v ; correcting the reply. I | nr | arHcT %far w s ft | ?ft ft* fsrfa&ar *rr 1 1 W t fa r tfrg w r 11.40 hr*. w sw f t m RE : QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE { Q u e r y ) 9ft sfar sn?r g m wrx f t f 5TRTT | ...... («vw w ) *• SHRI S. A. SHAMIM (Shrinagar): On a point of order. This it an Important point of order. ifrtf (tfhrer) : W i % $bt arwrrt * qpr$ MR. SPEAKER : Point of order should be on sottetbiag 167 lie. Question o f Privilege MAY Si, 1972 ke. Question o f Privilege 188 SHRI S. A SHAMIM : I am an indepen- Then, tbe people who come to him may be for dent ; I belong to no party How do you say. business, may be for social porposes and they Sir, that ]t is not a question of privilege ? are beiog harassed. Here is a Member who does not have a Party behind him, seeking MR.* SPEAKER : That does not come your protection and the protection of the under privilege. House and an assurance from the Govern- ment. I do not understand what difficulty SHRI SHYAMANANDAN MISHRA you are having in hearing the grievance of the (Begusarai): Tbe best course is tbat you look member and taking the opinion of the House into those grievances . (Interruptions) as to what should be done in a matter like this. SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA MR. SPEAKER : So far as any obstruc- (Serampore) : The other day also Mr. tion to the Member is concerned, 1 am going Jyotirmoy Bosu complained to you, Sir. Our to inquire into i t .. members are also being harassed by the police You can see before our office 4 Ashoka Road, police standing there. This is going on SHRI PILOO MODY : Thank you. daily. MR SPEAKER : But, as a privilege. I am not entertaining it. In tbe past, we did not SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta-North- allow it. East) : He is prevented from functioning. You cannot offer him protection (Interruptions) SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE ; A Member who is personally pestered would have to be * MR. SPEAKER : I may tell you, the proficient id the law of privilege before he Member has no immunity here (Interrup- comes here and seeks your protection ? To- ions) 1 cannot say that this is a question of day, for ten minutes we have been listening privilege. to these things and you have not uttered a word of protection If you had uttered this ten SHRI H N MUKERJEE : A Member minu'es earlier, it could have spared us this is hindered from performance of his duty The ignominy police is pester mg him Government can give an assurance (Interruptiona) MR SPEAKER You are a senior Mem* ber How can it be a privilege * SHRI SHYAMANANDAN MISHRA : You are the protector of our rights. You can SHRI H N MUKERJEE : Don't let us look into the grievances hear that over and over again.. (Interruptions) One word from you would have been suffi- SHRI PILOO MODY : Are you suggesting cient that the Member has to die before we realise that he is being harassed ? SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : A complaint to the Government.. MR. SPEAKER : That is your suggestion. MR SPEAKER : Not a complaint to the SHRI PILOO MODY : No, because you Government. He came in another form ..(In- say that you see him here everyday. What I terruptions) How can I-. (Interruptions) It is am saying is...(Interruptions) Please allow not at all a privilege...(Itutrruptions) I am me to make my submission. sorry I cannot entertain .,(Interruptions) Order, please. I didn't call your name .. Here, a member of this House bas made a very humble request to you in writing and SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE : Now, otherwise that he is being harassed, visitors they are keeping quiet. who come to his bouse are being followed and, thereafter, the Police or whoever it is, go to SHRI S M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) ; the visitor's houses and ask them, ‘What are There is an earlier instance. Sir, when Mr. you doing in the bouse of a Kashmiri MP T Maurya, who was not a Congress Member 189 R e Question o f Privilege JYAISTHA 10. I M (S4KA) Re. Question o f Privilege 1«0 then, was constantly shadowed and be and *PT fa % 9ft his wife were harassed by tbe Police and there was CID all around his house and on every | 3*% \ 2 ) TT^W tflftlHW ilRfRf TWT U r n r www *$**; *N ift *rrfa« f a r e * a f a $ » ff W W i :< . . *ft «?2W t | CPlaced in Library. & e No. L T -3 1 18/72], t: Of ^fr% aFT*ft w«r ^ g1 R e v ie w a n d A n n u a l R e p o r t o f C e n - arftr ^ S o t |>*rr, m . ftfrft fo ^ t r a l R o a d T r a n s p o r t C o r p o r a - ir^cf % sr sft | m *j$t an*r fo $ 1 t i o n L t d ., C a l c u t t a THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY «riwr *>$ fae*T-%£ta*y AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANS- *r *r$ft «ff, ar«ft arrf I, PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : I beg to lay on the Table a copy each of the following *ptt fsrr, * rr «npf f s t i sw t 3 ft sw5*ft papers (Hindi and English versions) under sub- VW tfit 1 section (1) of section 619A of the Companies Act, 1956 :— ■ it* wftmrnm *mitr: w& (1) Review by the Government on the $>ft, qr$-*wrat ^ 35 sniPTT 1 working of the Central Road Trans* port Corporation Limited, Calcutta, srwwi tifte* : srezr mg*, an* *®rr for the year 1970-71. arm ^ 11 **»t m<\ *r*er | fo (2) Annual Report of the Central Road z$fz f**r fe* Tiaft $nr 1 anft srer ^ Transport Corporation Limited, x $ & W t 1 Calcutta, for the year 1970-71 along with the Audited Accounts and the comments of the Comptroller and 12 54 hrs. Auditor General thereon. [P.aced in Library Ste No. LT—3119/ PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 72], R e v ie w a n d A n n u a l R e p o r t o f P r o f i t a n d Lo s s A c c o u n t a n d B a l a n c b N a t io n a l I n d u s t r ia l D u v e l o p- s h e e t o f T elecommunication B r a n c h m e n t C o r p o r a t io n Lt d ., o f t h e P & T D e p a r t m e n t N e w D e l h i THE MINISTER OF COMMUNJCA^ TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): I beg aftwtfrw fans *ar«tr 3f wfcft («ftto lay on the Table a copy of the Profit and fatw* smw) : swret *r§tar, * ^'P?V Loss Account and Balance Sheet (Oh «ecrual •rfwfsTTO, 1956 «#t m r 619* $ t z m v basis) of the Telecommunication Branch of the' Indian Posts and Telegraphs Department for ( 1 ) % aparts fN*irf^rff.^i.(ffe’ft [Shri L. N. Mishra] {prove# guilty of violation of tbe prbViskms ^»f the Impex Act and orders issued thereunder, the Table two statements correcting the rep- normally very from one year to ftoe years lies gives on the 23rd May, 1972 to Starred depending on the gravity of the offence. Question No. 942 by Shri Annasaheb Gotk- hinde regarding misuse of Actual Users Licence and Starred Question No. 947 by Shri Indra- 4. Information ftom 1.1,72 to 31.3.72 is jit Gupta regarding increase in Export of Non- being collected and will be laid «n the Table Traditiona! items and Starred Question No. of the House. 947 by Shrt Nattal Kisbor Sinha regarding steps to enforce better quality control for export-oriented goods. II—Statement re. Starred Questions 1—Statement re. Starred Question No. No. 943 and 947 answered on 942 on the 23rd Mayt 1972. 23rd May, 2972. As on 31.12.1970, 188 cases were pending It is no doubt true that export statistics final disposal by the C .B .I, some under inves- of engineering goods in the two statements tigation and some had been recommended for laid by me on tbe Table of the Lok Sabha in prosecution or departmental action or both. reply to the Starred Questions No. 943 and From 1.11971 to 31.12.71 the C.B I. had 947 on 23rd May, 72 are not identical. The registered 84 fresh cases on the violation of statement relating to Question No. 943 con- one condition or other of the Imports and tained statistics of engineering goods as com- Exports (Control) Act. This makes a total piled by the Director-General of Commercial of 272 cases for disposal from 1.1.1971 to Intelligence and Statistics, Catcutta while the 3112.71. The C B I. had sent 64 cases for statement attached to Question No. 947 con- trial and 13 case* were filed in a Court of tained figures compiled by the Engineering Law and also recommended for departmental Export Promotion Council. For the sake of action. In addition, they had recommended ready reference, the two set of figures are 36 cases for departmental action only. 13 reproduced below:— cases were dropped for want of proof and at (Rs. Crores) the end of the year 1971, 13 were awaiting complaint or sanctions. 57 cases were under Export of Engineering Goods legal scrutiny to decide what type of action should be taken against the offending parties- Question No. 943 947 Difference 76 cases were pending investigation at the between dose of the year. During the year 1971 the DGCI&S number of cases which were decided by tbe & the Courts was 31, of which 26 resulted in con- EBPC figu- viction. 5 cases were acqiutted. res 2. After the amendment of the Imports Source DGCI&S fiEPC and Exports (Control) Act in 1966, a compul- sory imprisonment of 6 months has been pres- 1968-69 67.42 84.97 — 17 55 cribed unless the Court for reasons recorded, 1969*70 89.52 106 50 chooses to give lesser sentence. The maximum — 16.9® punishment that can be given by way of im- 1970-71 116.47 116*59 — 012 prisonment is 2 years In addition to impri- sonment a suitable fine is also levied. How- ever, it has come to notice that punishment As is well known, the export statistics of has mostly been fine plus a short term of engineering goods as compiled by the DGCI- imprisonment. The minimum period of 6 &S do not normally tally with expert statis- months has been seldom given as the Courts tics published by the Engineering Export have been taking Into consideration the peni- Promotion Council. This .does not tent attitude of the accused, age of the accused that either figure is incorrect. The difference etc. between the two sets of figjjie* is due to diffe- rences in the defioitfon/classlfcattan used in 3. Debarment of a firm which has been compiling the figures by the two agencies. 197 P apers L a id JYAISTHA 10,1894 [SAkA) Papers Laid 398 Export Statistics are compiled by the A n n u a l R* p o r t o f P rb s s C o u n c il DGCI&S in accordance with the Revised o f I n d ia Trade Classification and these are given in their publication entitled Monthly Statistics of THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE tbo Foreign Trade of India Volume I—Exports MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND and Re-exports. Under the classification there BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR is no separate Code Ho. for Engineering StNHA): On behalf of Shrimati Nandini Goods. However, for purposes of analysis, Satpathy, I beg to lay on the Table— both the DGCI&S and EEPC add up figures of specified products to get the figures for engi- (1) A copy of the Annual Report of the neering goods as a group Certain products Press Council of • India for the year are included in the category of engineering 1971, under section 18 of the Press goods both in the DGCI&S as well as the Council Act, 1965 EfePC figures. However, certain other items classified as engineering products by the (2) A statement (Hindi and English ver- EEPC are not so classified by the DGCI&S. sions) explaining the reasons for not Besides, there are some items which are inclu- laying the Hindi version of tbe above ded as engineering goods by the DGCI&S but Report simultaneously [Placed in not by the EEPC. It would appear that in Library. See No L T - 3127/72], compiling its statistics, EEPC is guided by the desire to include only those items whose export promotion is the responsibility of the Council. Certified Accounts etc, 1970-71 o f Textiles Committee ( As question No. 943 related to the general THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE progress of exports of non-tradiciona! items, MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI reliance was put on the statistics published by A. C GEORGE) : I beg to lay on the the DGCI&S in the reply. As the House Table a copy of the Certified Accounts (Hindi knows, this is the standard source for foreign and English versions) of the Textiles Commit- trade statistics However, for a detailed tee for the year 1970-71 and the Audit Report analysis of exports of engineering goods whose thereon, under sub-section (4) of section 13 of promotion is the responsibility of the EEPC, the Textiles Committee Act, 1963 [ we often use statistics published by the EEPC. Placed in Library. See No. LT-3128/72j. Since Question No. 947 related to the opera- tion of quality control on export oriented engineering goods, the figures used in answer- T a r i f f C o m m is s io n ' s R e p o r t l t c . o n ing it were those published by the EEPC. FAIR SBLLINU PRICb OF AUTOMOBILE Ancillaries, and Review's and I do recognise that the existence of two A nnual Reports of Cement Cor- sets' of figures for exports of engineering goods poration of India Ltd , New can cause unnecessary confusion It would Dllht and Hindusian be the endeavour of the Foreign Trade Mims- Machine Tools Ltd., tjry to see that these figures do reconcile by Ba h c a l o r b adoption of uniform classification of engi- neering goods by the Export Promotion Coun- •ft faiwrc smw: tost t oil as also by the DGCI&S. s v r ro T«r?rrg- ( i ) z fv * antfto arfsrfonr, 1951 trro 16 sftswrci (2)% fw- Statement on Farakka Barrage ftsftRT THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION AND (v ) vrftorlr % jarf tit POWER rDR. K. L. RAO) : 1 beg to lay on srfarcr f r o r ^ r a r % sfwrer it (he Table a Statement (Hindi and English ver- tfa s 3n*ft*r «pt srfroM sions) on the Farakfctf Barrage Project. {Placed in rkt Library. See No. LT-3126/72] (1968) t 199 Papert Laid MAY 31, 1972 Message from Rajya Sabka 200 [ t f t f a m r w m ] %«fw fare% m r N o t e o n “ To w a r d s a n A p p r o a c h % *P*F3 iftfW T % t o t h b F i f t h P l a n ** fam arfa^frrcr W £ i THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (w) ^T*fwr wrrraff sfer arftr- DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY ottt 16 *ft Tmro (2) AFFAIRS (SHRI KEDAR NATH SINGH) : I beg to Uty on ihe Table a Note (Hindi and if farfftr awftr % a r ^ English versions) entitled ‘Towards an t t *r tw ^rr ?t*f% % *rw1 *ft Approach to the Fifth Plan* as considered by the National Development Council. \Ptaced *?v f w t» t ( f ^ 5PTT af$3ft In Library, See No. LT—3132/72]. ^**+><^1 ) 1 (2) SWS *TS (*) (tnp) i* % awafir FINANCIAL COMMITTEES, 1971-72 (A REVIEW) m«r fipft ?fc«Ror ^ % *sra «rr?rT tyt f i i w ( f ^ SECRETARY: I lay on the Table a copy of ‘Financial Committees. 1971-72 (A m l «*W> *rm *r) I [Placed in Library. Review)'. See No. LT—-3129/72]. (3 ) frap ft arf (hr) “In accordance with the provisions of rule 127 of tbe Rules of Proce- COMMITTEE ON THE WELFARE OF dure and Conduct of Business in the SCHEDULED CASTES AND Rajya Sabha, I am directed to inform SCHEDULED TRIBES the Lok Sabha that the Rajya Sabha at its sitting held on the 29th May, 1972, agreed without any amendment E io h t h , N in t h a n d T i n t h R l po r t s to the Delhi Co-operative Societies Bill 1972, which was passed by the SHRI BUTA SINGH (Rupar) : 1 beg to Lok Sabha at its sitting held on the present the following Reports of the Com- 10th April 1972." mittee on the Welfare of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes 12.57$ hrs. (1) Eighth Report (Hindi and English ASSENT TO BILLS versions) on the Ministry of Com- munications (Posts and Telegraphs SECRETARY : Sir, I also lay on the Department)—Reservations for, and Table following, three Bills passed by the employment of Scheduled Castes and Houses of Parliament during the current Scheduled Tribes in the Posts and session and assented to since a report was Telegraphs Department. last made to the House on the 26th May, 1972:— (2) Ninth Report (Hindi and English (1) The Newspapers (Price Control) Bill, versions) on tbe Ministry of Finance 1972. (Department of Banking)—Reserva- tions for, and employment of, Scheduled Castes and Scheduled (2) The Finance Bill, 1972. Tribes in the State Bank of India and its Subsidiaries; and (3) The Appropriation (Railways) No. 3 Bill, 1972. (3) Tenth Report on the Cabinet Secre- tariat (Department of Personnel)— COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC UNDER- Further replies of the Cabinet TAKINGS Secretaritt (Department of Personnel) to the observations of the Committee T w e n t y -s e c o n d R e p o r t a n d M i n u t e s contained in their Eighteenth Report (Fourth Lok Sabha', SHRIMATI SUBHADRA JOSHI (Chandni Chowk): I bag to present the 203 MAY $1* 1972 JMk h#ro4uc*d 204 12.58 hr* JOINT COMMITTEE ON OFFICES OP PROFIT •f t farter «ir $*rff i Se c o n d R e p o r t tity & n t w r f a W % w f t % m arte SHRI D BASUMATARI (Kokrajhar) : tit vrf Tfr g *rafr * I beg to present the Second Report or the Joint Committee on Office of Ptofit on the i fa f c arrr $ a te Draft Parliament (Prevention of Disqualifies* s ? m w i f a w a r w MR SPEAKER . The question 1$ “A Minister deSiriOg td move for leave to introduce a Bill shall give notice in writing of his intention to do so *' ‘T hat leave be granted to introduce a Bill to provide for the speedy trial of certain offences in certain areas and for matters an»t TfT *rarr £ —■ connected therewith’* “ at least seven days " The motion m as adopted awfcr fo* fir* qnr sftfer SHRI F H. MOSHIN 1 introduce the Bill. CRIMINAL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL* ars et^TT—^r *rfwr f# *gt 11 to fowlf *r 'rrssr tft ^n f ( t ? ^ ) : % ?rft qraft sft §*r «rWt ft tit f*w*)r m T O R «R ^t«T T ^f»TST % *'% VT «ft arurr *r TO I \% | I (W TO) ...... 13 hrs. 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( w w m ) • n t f t w a r m t a t Another gross misuse of the system is the Law Commission Page 14 of that report power taken under these agreements by the says financiers to seize the vehicles and goods even though 95 per cent of the instalments may ‘ In practice, the amounts received by the have been paid and only one or two instal- financiers from the hirer are in turn paid ment* remain unpaid. In that cane, the hirer over to the dealers, and by the ti ne the not only loses the instalments he has paid but hirer qualifies himself to obtain a purchase the property as well So, there was a consi- by payment of all the instalments, the derable demand for bringing proper legislation financiers would have obtained a clean to control the abuses and evils which have title to the goods If we are now to pro- crept into the system In modem commer- vide that tbe condition as to title should cial activities these hire puichase transactions operate as on the date of hire purchase have greatly increased in number and it was agreement, we would be striking at this necessary that legislation should have been class of business ” introduced to regulate these transactions That is why I wclcome this measure With great respect to the Law Commission, I would submit that this is not tbe correct approach lake the provisions which are in- 13 10 h rs. corporated in clause 9 of the Bill, at page 6 [M r. Deputy Speaker hi the chair ] “(1) The hirer may, at any time, during Another evil that has not fully met in the the continuance of the hire puichase present Bill is the system developed by these agreement and after giving the owner not financiers namely, after paying 4 or 1 instal- Itss thin fourteen days' notice in writing ments, if the hirers could not pay furtlu r, the of his intention so to do, complete the owners would seize the vehicles and enter purchase of the goods by paying or tender into a fresh agreement with the hirer adding mg to the owner the hire purchase price the unpai4 balance to the price without re or the balance thereof ” ducing the amount already paid and chargc more for the same vehicle I do not find any Suppose there is an agreement providing for provision which fully meet's that kind of the payment of the money in 20 instalments racket which is going on After three instalments the hirer *ants to pur- chase it He is given right to purchase the About the right of the owner at the time goods under clause 9 Now the position is the agreement is entered into, clause 6 speci- this The Liw Cormmsion says that the fically provides that owner at the tim* of entering into the agree- ment need not have the title It is only “ Notwithstanding anything contained in when the 20th instalment is to be given, the any contract, in every hire purchase agree* last instalment is to be paid by the hirer, the ment, there shall be implied warranty— owner himself acquires the title, which would be sold after the payment of the 20th instal- ment This is what I read out from the re- (a) that the hirer shall have and enjoy commendation of the La* Commission, which quiet possession of the goods, and apparently has been accepted by the govern- ment How will this clause 9 work in such (b) that the goods shall be free from any cases ? charge or encumbrance in favour of any third party at the time when the Clause 9 cannot operate because the owner property is to pass " by that time has not acquired the title and so he cannot transfer the title under clause 9 The It doe* not make any provision as to the hirer will be without remedy, or a remedy right of the financier with regard to the which will be infructuous because the owner goods at the time the contract is entered into will have no title to the goods at the time of The Minister yesterday in his introductory entering into the hire purchase agreement it- speech referred to this aspect He also self What we have suggested is that the owner referred to some amendments we have tabled must have the right to enter into such agree- and be also referred to the 20th report of the ment It may be that he has a contingent right. 211 H ire Purchase Bitt MAY 31,1972 Hire Purchase Bltl 212 1 (Shri Somnath Chatterjoe] The last point on which I wish to make a a contingent title in the sense that he has done submission before the Minister and before the something and by doing something more he House is about the financial position of those will acquire complete title. But there must be persons who have to take recourse to this hire an assurance that theie cannot be a charge or purchase system. I am referring to the final encumbrance in favour of a third party. Suppose ,J report of the Road Transport Taxation Enquiry a person takes a truck under a hire purchase Committee: which made its final report in agreement and pays ten instalments. Then it November 1957, under the chairmanship of appears that somebody has a better right to Shri B V. Keskar. Sir, at page 26 of this these goods then a third party, who is not Report, it has been said, “ We are of the opinion bound by this, takes away the goods and the that Government should do something to help hirer will have to run and file a suit or procee- the small man in the road transport industry dings for the purpose of recovery of the amount and not leave him to find his resources entirely which he has already paid, with umpteen diffi- from the private agencies. We are informed culties, consequential difficulties, and I do not that banks and Slate Finance Corporations know under what the claim can be made are generally unwilling to advance loans for Therefore, for the purpose of the protection of the purchase of motor vehicles. The Govern- the hirer it is necessary that there is provision ment should recognise the genuine needs of the in the law that the owner will have the right small operators in the industry and make avai- to enter into this agreement and nobody else lable same facilities for easy and liberal credit will have any claim or encumbrance over the by a suitable procedure under the aegis of the goods which will be the subject matter of the Reserve Bank or tbe State Bank. We hope hire purchase agreement. that the Study Group which is dealing with this problem in detail will make suitable sugges- It is slid here that it will strike at the root tions in this regard.” of the matter, namely, that it will, so to say, My submission before this House will be shrink the number of transactions. We feel that it is not sufficient to provide some law to that it is hardly justified to say that, parti- regulate the hire purchase transactions. To cularly when no statistics have been given to make hire purchase facilities more readily show how it will in any way affect the nature available to oidinary people in this country, of the transaction. some sort of scheme should have been provided The other aspect on which we wanted to for the purpose of providing adequate finance stress is that this Bill does not take into con- through appropriate financing institutions sideration and does not bring within its ambit under the Government so that ordinary people sales which are credit sale transactions. 1 pur- are not forced to go all the time to the unscru- chase some goods I cannot pay the whole pulous financiers and the financial operators amount at a time So, I enter into an arrange- who are really misusing these provisions for ment with my seller that I shall pay it by the purpose of their own end and they have instalments and upon the payment of the the hirer at their mercy. instalments my rights would be complete. Now, I have proposed certain amendments or there have been many transactions of credit which 1 shall make my submission when I sale nature which have all been given the garb come to detailed discussion ; at this time I of hire purchase agreement. This is our experi- shall draw your attention to clause 18. It is a ence and in courts of law we have seen how very welcome proposal. Proviso to clause 18 this is done ; credit sale agreements have been gives the right to the hirer to pay the arrears entered into under the garb of hire purchase in instalments and then to save himself from agreements, although all the necessary incidence the clutches of the owner in taking possession of hire purchase agreements are not there. When of the car. It gives only one week or in some trouble comes the owner or the seller takes cases two weeks time. 1 was suggesting that advantage of similar clauses in tbe hire pur- some provision should have been made for chase agreement and they try to take posses- increasing the time if the court aHows. I, there- sion of the goods, although it is a credit sale. fore, submit this point which the hon. Minister Therefore, one would have thought that credit should also consider. 1 shail make my submis- sales should have been included in this Bill to sions in more details when I deal with them. save those persons who enter into transactions it) an unwary manner without fully understand- sft {^rnsfrj*) : swtwrar ing tbe implications of that. t it ftw n # fcr i!3 I f ire Purchase Bill JYAISTHA 10,1894 (SAKA) Hire Purchase Bill 214 t I 8TTOT «ft fa s t t «JWf v t ’rrJTTsr fe*m r ^rr$( tftx ir m * fsns srtftaT ?ft «PTOt «r«n^r *rwlr t aftr eti farer^irr a f a ^ s f t ^ft ^rmnr T m 1 1 *p%& Jf *tfc v f e «Kt*TT I JTSft'f! 3ftr ? ^ ft am:*^R «tt «ft ?r«Y a r ^ w f^r**V ^ ft *ftt wf\& ir snsrTfori far *rcra?t a;fe*ri rr |t sft ^r% § 1 srsr w * r $ [Shri E. R. Krishnan] to go in for hire purchase. Since there is no rickshaws and bicycics on hire purchase basis. fixed rate of interest under thc law we find the Though such hire purchase transactions have buyer has to pay 25%, 30% or more as been taking ptace in our country for quite a interest. The necessity for putting a restriction few years, the Government have only now on the rate of interest chargeable in any thought it fit to bring forward a legislation to scheme of hire purchase cannot be over- protect the interests of the common people who emphasised. make purchases on instalment basis. Sir, I would now refer to the pernicious Sir, it is indeed regretablc that even this method of asking the intending buyer to make Bill has not given adequate protection to the initial deposit. The initial deposit in many buyers under hire purchase scheme. This Bill cases amounts to 30 to 40% of the value of contains no provision which puts a restriction, the article to be purchased. Here also there on tbe maximum rate of interest to be charged is a need to put some restriction. The initial by the sellers or dealers. deposit should not be in any case more than 10% of the value of the article. The rest of It is only those people who do not have the amount should be realised through several ready cash in their hands or enough resources easy instalments. are driven to purchase articles under hire pur- chase system. It is common knowledge that Sir, in big cities like Madras there are people who want to engage themselves m some many rich persons who advance money to gainful activities purchase buses, trucks and people in the low income brackets for the pur- cars. These people generally belong to thc chase of trucks, buses, cars and so on. In their middhs income group or law income group zeal to become self employed many innocent The financiers who advance money charge huge people fall victim to these unscrupulous finan- rates of interest. The rates of interest vaiy ciers After getting thc truck or the bus, as the between 15% to 30%. They even charge interest cisc may be these poor people find themselves for the money paid every month. For example, udable to pay instalments with the huge inte- Sir, if a person purchases an article of the rest thereon within the stipulated time. As a value ot Rs 300/ — he is to pay Rs. 15/-every iesult they lose the buses or trucks which are month for a period of 20 months to cover the taken away by thc financiers. In this process price of the article. But he is also asked undci they also lose the amounts they had already the hire purchase agreement Rs. 2/—or nore paid. You will agree with me, Sir, their con- by way of interest on each instalment and if ditions are indeed, pathetic. one calculate the purchaser is required to pay a very high rate of interest. Poor people, because the initial payment being less than the value of the article are In the cooperative sector and in other attracted by the hire purchase scheme. The financial institutions of the Government in poor man goes in for a hire purchase of a order to protect the interests of the poor, cycle which nosmatiy costs 400 rupees because money is advanced on low rates of interest. he is to pay only Rs. 100 by way of initial These institutions may belong to the State deposit. Subsequently, even if he fails once to Governments or the Central Government. But make payment of Rs. 10/ a month he loses the financiers who advance money to the not only the cycle but also whatever money common people adopt unscrupulous means and he had already paid. Thus the poor are greatly charge very high rates of interest which may affected in such circumstances. even be 24% or more. That is why, Sir, though I have extended my support to this Bill I The Bill is no doubt a welcome measure pointed out earlier that it is regretable to in view of the large number of hire purchase note that the Bill does not make any provision transactions that are taking place in our coun- to put a restriction on tbe maximum rate of try. However, I would like to draw the specific interest chargeable. attention of the hon. Minister to two basie issues I have raised, as 1 said Sir, there must Sir, the economic conditions of our people be restrictions on the quantum of money to are such that even to purchase the ordinary be paid as initial deposit, Secondly, these must domestic items Like benches, chairs, electric be statutory restrictions an the maximum tala articles, fans and utenstls and so on, they have of interest that can be charted under the hire 217 H ire Purchase Bill JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Hire Punhau Bill 218 purchase scheme Even at the expense of repe- ft* ffiRft eft «FWt ft ft ait tition 1 would point out here Sir that while in the coopetative sector the loans are advan- I f t «ft 1 rrfarsT t*r*r ced at the rates of 6% to 8% interest the f w f w »rqrr 1 1 financiers charge starting from J2% to 24 or 30% as interest Tht poor and the oommon people are greatly harassed They resort to ?T*n5r ^ 3rtc aftr % hire purchase scheme only because they have 9 ^ 7 fT5TT Spnrft firpTRf SRT^t no other means of purchasing the articles ^ I 1 Jimnr i* wi^rt which they need badly It is a desire to become self employed that prompts them to purchase tqir t t sr%f5FT w fsr?F?T 1 1 *rtff«r trucks, buses, cars etc Therefore it is very s^rfinftw iftfswt w>t , 5wnnTr? ^ «t?? essential that their interest should be protected * t t »rfafar % ssr *rra»TT % *n«r #3tt w «rr fir ^fT w rr -Ax { t t m ftn r 1 fare? f^sir gtr % •ip?7' F t n t T t c(t t srfHf-fftsr-*r ?r^t f?*rr sre$?r t o r srnriTT i wfiwr 5^ % m * *W | I [*ft to * *rwr «nrt] very important suggestions He has said that presently the position is that if the hirer 3 tl« rT * rm tit gfcft| • w fr^ defaults even one or two instalments, the *rcr *nr arm a r m it*n i % financier takes away the property and forces the hirer to enter into a fresh agreement I ansfa aft fa*i* ^ % would request him to refer to Clauses 18 and Regarding the suggestions that have been SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHARY • made, most of them are included in the This is just the beginning This is not a full amendments to the various clauses to which legislation We are trying to make certain we shall come a little later When these provisions Shri Somnath Chatterjee referred amendments come up, I will put forth the to Clause 6(2) (a) Clause 6(2) (a) says that Government’s point of view and I will leave the owner should have tbe title at the time it to the House to consider what decision there when the property is to pass When the hirer «hould be gives notice, u is for the owner to give bis title within the period of notice There is no Shri Somnath Chatterjee has made two inconsistency between these dauses 221 H ire Purchase Bill JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Hire Purchase B ill 222 Shri Krishnan said that the persons advan- nesses who shall belong to any of the cing money charge exorbitant rates of interest, following categories of the persons, namely, from 12 to 30 per cent. I may say, there have a notary, a magistrate, a gazetted officer been cases where they even demanded 50 per of the Central Government or of a State cent. Provision is now made so that such Government, a member of any municipal things do not happen. corporation or municipal committee or district board, an officer of any scheduled Shri P. C. Verma made certain references or nationalised bank, a teacher of any to the Joint Select Committee. He said, they school and such other class or classes of did not pay full attention I am sorry, he has person or persons as may be designated not fully studied the report of the Joint Select by notification to be issued by the Central Committee. They went into the matter for Government under this Act.” (14) nine months, they made a very useful report and I think they must be thanked for the work My next amendment is Amendment that they had done. About other points made No. 15. I beg to move : by Shri P. C Verma, he has mov:d certain amendments, when those amendments are taken, I will make my submission. Page 2,— MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question omit lines 44 to 47. (15) is : Clause 3 (1) says that'Every hire-purchase agreement shall be in writing and signed by all "That the Bill to define and regulate the the parties thereto.' As I said, This is one rights and duties of parties to hire-purchase greatest evil which has crept into our hire agreements and for matters connected purchase transactions. By this, we wish to therewith or incidental thereto, as passed avoid that. He should not get a dominating by Rajya Sabha, be taken into considera- position. That is, the owner or the financier tion.” should not be in a dominating position and The motion was adopted. the hirer should not be placed in a situation where he would be an underdog. In view of the dominant position of the financier, what MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We go to happens is, in respect of the total amount, in Clause-by-clause consideration. For Clause 2, respect of the particulars of the vehicle, in there is no amendment. I will put Clause 2 respect of the particulars of the goods, blank to the vote of the House. The question is : forms are obtained so that he may utilise those documents as and when they become necessary. “That Clause 2 stand part of the Bill.*’ The owner or the financier fills in the parti- culars and uses them in a court of law. I The motion wus adopted. have seen it in my own experience. These are very common litigation in Calcutta. All these Clause 2 was added to the BUI. have been very common type of litigation for the last 2 years. If they enter into agreement Clause 3—•(Hire-purchase agreements for a motor car or a truck, they have no option to be in wrtting and signed by but to go and surrender completrty to the owner parties thereto) of the vehicle, or the financier. This is because the motor companies insist on delivery being MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : For clause 3, taken at once. They cannot have the money there are two amendments. and so they have to submit to such a thing To avoid the possibility of any blank form SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I being obtained from them we must provide for move; signatures of witnesses. It is not in tbe form of attestation. There should be an independent Page 2, line 40,- person before whom this document should be add at the end— signed. In this way blank forms will not be procured from the hirers by the owners of the "including the surety, if any, In the financial institutions. That Is why I say in presence of one or more witnesses or wit- amendment No. 14 that we may add the words 223 H ire Purchase BiU MAY 31, 1972 H ir e Purchase B ill 224 / [Shri Somnath Chatterjee] the higar the question of leaving any blanks or filling up later does not arise. ‘including the surety if any, etc If the Minister wants to increase the categories, he can do so. I am not on that point I am only SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJHE : They on the point of principle One may say that will obtain signature from then saying that a these types of people may be won over by the copy has been given That is how it Is bring financier or the owner. But, as I said, thin will operated He will see in his experience that be some sort of protection to the hirer so that this will happen they are not made to sign on the dotted line 1 here is no model form which is being prescri- SHRI NITIRAI SINGH CHAUDHARY . bed in 4 he rules Under this Act no rules are We have provided for the signature of the to be framed So, what is the objection on surety in sub-clause (3). He wants it to be the part of the Government to accept this done in the presence of one or more amendment > It this amendment is accepted, witness or witnesses who shall be nobody can dispute the agreements and the long to any of the following cate- owners or financiers would not indulge in gories of persons, namely, a notary, a any ‘sharp practice’ if I may use that expres- magistrate gazetted officer We feel that it sion would cause considerable inconvenience to the parties the hire purchase agreement is to be My second amendment to Clause 3 is only signed in the presence of these persons because consequential upon the other amendment that this is not only restricted to metropolitan I have suggested Sub-clause (1) of clause (1) cities , it will go to kasbas and other places says whetc these persons may not be available, Therefore, it is not possible for me to accept the amendments. ' where there is a contract of guarantee, (he hire purchase agreement shall be signed be the surety also, and if the hire purchase MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER I shall put agreement is not so signed, the hire pui- amendments 14 and IS to the vote of the chase agreement shall be voidable at the House option of the ownei *’ Amendment Nos 14 and 15 were put and n eg a tived One cannot contemplate wh) there should be this provision Thuc is a tripartite MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER . The question arrangement It contemplate the owner, is * the hirer and the surety, that is, a gua- rantor But there may be cases where the “ That clause 3 stand part of the Bill ’* guarantor does not sign at the time of the execution of the agreement If it is not signed, The motion was adopted. what will happen ? It becomes voidable at the option of the owner. It should be made Clause 3 was added to the Bill. incumbent upon the guarantor also to be a party to it at the time of the agreement. Clause {Contents o f hire-purchase a g re e m en ts) I command my amendments to the hon Minister for acceptance SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg to move . amendments Nos 16 and 17. SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHARY Your amendment seeks to incorporate Page 3,— the words 'in the presence of one or more witnesses or witnesses who shall a fte r line 13. in s e r t—■ belong to any of the following cate- gories of the persons, namely, a notary, a ‘ (f) that the owner has a right to magistrate, a gazetted officer of the ‘Central enter into the said agreement and Government’ and so on and so forth May I that the goods are free from any refer him to clause 25 which says that a copy charge or encumberance in favour of of the document shall be provided to the higer any thud party at the time when When a copy of the document is provided to the agreement is entered into.” (16) 225 H ire Pttrckas* Bill JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAX A) Hire Purchase Bit! m Page 3 ,~ will not help the hirer. So instead of leavtBft it to the hirer to go to court, it should be O m it lines 17 to 23. (17) the owner's res obligation to state in the agreement that he has this right. I have made my submission in the Opening arid I shall not take long. These SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHARY : amendments are necessery so that the hirer About amendment no. 16, the doubts of the may have undisturbed right to enjoy the goods hon. member are that tbe hirer is at a he is taking on hire. There should be an disadvantage. The amendment fe UMeoesaary undei taking from the owner that the property because of the provisions of ciawHft * ft) and is free from any charge or encumbrance and clause 6(2)(a). Clause 6 (2) pita*** for the that at that time he has got a right to enter warranty as to quiet possession ami the into that agreement. Otherwise, after a warranty as to the goods being &ee from number of instalments have been paid, if any charge os encumbrance. Ctamsd 6(2) somebody comes and puts forward a claim (a) provides for the condition, as to the and seizes the vehicle or the other goods and title. removes them, the hirer is completely at the mercy of tbe owner ; he has to file litigation The amendment ia i«contieten; with and carry it on. In clause 4 we say what are clause 6(1 Kb), according to which the goods the provisions which must be included in the shall be free from any charge or oacumbrance hire purchase agreement ; so also in claues 6 in favour of third party at the time when (]> and (2) we are provididmg what the the property is to pass. The warranty as warranties and conditions are implied. A to the goods being free from any charge or warran y is being asked for in respect of a encumbrance should properly only at the time future event, future state of affairs. I am when the property is to pass If it is made saying : why depend upon a future warranty ? applicale at the inception of the agreement, Why not a present warranty ? The hirer the smaller businessmen will be thrown out will probably give his life's savings to get a of business and no advantage will be secured truck so that he can run it and earn some to the hirers. money for the purpose of living. He puts in his money Why should not the owner ^ Regarding amendment No. 17, if sub- and the financier give an undertaking that he clause (3) of clause 4 is omitted, there has a right to deal with that property and would be on sanction for ensuring that the that there is no charge or encumbrance so provisions of clause 4 are complied with by that nobody else inteifers with the possession the owner. This will cause great hardship to of the hirer. I do not know why the Govern* the hirer who is a weaker party to the ment does not agree to it. 1 read out the transaction. He referred to the Law ommissi- portion of the Law Commission’s recommen- on’s report. I will refer him to page 15 of dations . It says it may shrink business. that report. It is a long para and 1 will not There are no materials before us how it will read it affect the business. On the other hand, the hirer gets into serious difficulty and there is With these words, I submit that it is not a great deal of apprehension that the hirer possible to accept these amendment. will suffer if such a clause is not mseited MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now put amendments 16 and 17 to the House. Amendment No 17 is not quite conse- quential upon the other amendment. I have Amendments Nos. 16 and 17 were asked for tbe omission of sub-clause (3). This put and negatived. sub-clause provides for the institution of a suit by the hirer for getting the hire-purchase MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER The question is ; agreement rescinded That means, if an “That Clause 4 stand part of the BUI.” agreement is entered into in violation of these provisions, the hirer has to rush to the court for getting it rescinded and getting into a The motion was adopted. situation in which he does not get any Clause 4 was added to the BUI. immediate relief. A mere provision asking tbe hirer to go to court to establish his title Clause 5 h w added to the BUI. 227 H ire Purchase Bill MAY 31, 1972 Hire Purchase Bill 228 Clause 6 Warrantees and conditions to It is also in consonance with thfe 'tommlmous be Implied in Hire-Purciase agreements) recommendations of the Joint Committee. I, therefore, request that the amendment may SHRI SHANKERRAO SAVANT (Kola* be accepted. ba) ; I beg to move : SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHARY . Page \ hoc 44,— The object Of tb&t amendments is to provide that the tmphed condition as to title should apply right from the inception of the hire- fo r “when the property is to pass” purchase agreement In the Bill as intro- substitute— duced, it was provided, in accordance with tbe recommendation1; of the Law Commission, “ when the agreement is entered into that the owner shou'd have a right to sell tbe and at all times during the conti- goods at the time when the property m the nuance of the agreement” (1) goods is to pass to the hirer The Joint Committee amended the provision to provide SHRI PHOOL CHAND VERMA that the condition as to title should be implied (Ujjain) I beg to move . not onlv at the time when the property in the good* is o pass to the hirer but also from the inception of the hire-purchase agreement Page 3,— * When the Bill was considered in Rajva Sabha. Rt jv j Sablia au^pk-d the ofhcu»l amendment, fo r lines 4^ and 44, substitute— which had the effect of restoring the position as it stood m the Bill as introduced The “ (a) an implied condition on the above amendments are for the purpose of part of the owner that he has a revertim? to the position as suggested by the right to soli the goods at the time Joint Committee when the agreement is entered into and at ah times during the conti- The Joint Committee had given two nuance of the agieemcnt (7) retsons m support ot their recommendation MB DEPUry-SPfAKPR Amendment No. 26 is the same as No 7 r irsU that it will be in the mtcies's of oiderly growth of hire purchase business 14 hrs. Secondly, that it will avoid fraudulent SHRI SHANKERRAO SAVANT Sir, transactions and ensure that a hirer gctts my amendment is nothing new It only seeks a Clear title to revert to the position as it emerged from the Joint Committee report The Joint Coming to the first reason if according to the Committee had decided that the title passes view of the Committee, the condition as to even at the time of agreement Accordingly, title is to be satisfied from the inception, only they made the necessary amendment No businessmen who have the means or adequate reasons weie given why m the Rajya Sabha finances to purchase the goo is will be able to the unanimous repot c of tits Joint Committee carry on hire-purchase business Small was passed over Secondly, I may point out businessmen will have to give up the business. that as the general /aw stands, the seller will Hire purchase business m less expensive have the title at the tune he enters into the consumer articles like radios, sewing machines, agteement ot sale. Hire purchase agreement e tc , is generally carried on by the smaller is nothing but a deferred sale. That being business people All these people will be the position, why should we not give pro- thrown out of their business Further, bigger tection to the hirer at the time of the agree- business people mav not adquately eater to the ment itself ? Now the pjsnion will be that needs of small places It may also be men- when the agreement is entered into, for all tioned that honesty and fair dealings are not times during the continuance of the agreement necessarily the monopoly of the affluent there will be a presumption on the pait of the business people and it is difficult to appreciate owner that ht has a right to sell the goods. as to why it is necessary to make hire- This is iq consonance with the general purchase business their monopoly for ensuring principles of law on the sale of goods ere. orderly growth of hire-purchase business. m Mtf* P m h a * t MU JYAISTHA 10, lm (SAKA) litre Purchase Billx. 230 . The. second' reason adduced by the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will How Committee m»y be considered. Would a put amendment No. 7 to Clause 6 by Shri fraudulient man be deicrrod from giving on Phool Chand Verma to the House. hite-purchase goods which, he. does not own just because the law implies a condition that Amendment No. 7 was put and negatived. a,person should have title to the goods at the time when his gives them on hire-purchase ? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question The answer is a clear ho. As observed by is : tbe Law Commission, "it would make no difference” to a fraudulent dealer because he has “ no thought of .giving a good title at any "That Clause 6 stand part of the Bill.” time'* (page 15 of the Law Commission ‘ The motion was adopted. Report) On the other hand, the amendment suggested by the Joint Committee, which is Clause 6 was added to the Bill. now sought to be restored by the Hon. Members, will prevent an owner who did not MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Dr. Laxroi- have title at the inception of the agreement narayan Pandcya is not here. So, his amend- but who is willing and able to pcrfcct his ment is not moved. title from doing so and completing the agreement. Clause 7 - (Limitation on hire purchase chaiges) In short, the amendments suggested by the Members will throw out of hire-purchase SHRI PHOOL CHAND VERMA : I beg business small business people. It will not to move : help the hirers in any way nor will it reduce Page 5 ~ fraudulent transactions. On the other hand, it will prevent honest dealers acting under fo r lines 20 to 33, sub tiiute - hon i fide mistake from complying the transaction. Under the laws of other ‘(f) ' ‘statutory charges”, in relation countries such as England, Australia, etc.,. to a hire-purchase agreement, means the condition as to title applies at the time the amount calculated in accordance when the property is 10 pass, with the provision of sub-section (2) hereinafter provided(8) Therefore,.. I would request the., hon. Members to withdraw the amendments and if Page 5— they do not withdraw. I am sorry I cannot accept the amendments Jor lines 34 to 49, substitute— MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Mr. Savant, '(2) “statutory chargc” in relation to ip deference to the Minister, will you a hire-purchase agreement shall be an withdraw your amendment amount calculated at a flat rate of not less than seven and a half per SHRI SHANKERRAO SAVANT : I do centam per annum on the net cash not agree with him. but nevertheless I shall price of the goods comprised in the withdraw my amendment. agreement or such other rates as may be specified under sub-sectiod (3).' MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Has Mr. (9) Savant leave v l the House to withdraw his amendment? Page 6, lines 1 and 2— HON. MEMBERS ; No. fo r “less than ten" substitute-^ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Then I ’ more than a flat rate of fifteen’V(IO) shall put amendment No. 1 to Clause 6 10 the House. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTFRJEE : 1 beg d/m m / m i ft^,m d negatived. tOMiwve.; 231 H ire Purchase Bill MAY 51,1972 Hire Purchase BUI 232 [$bn Somnath Chatterjee] the "Special Tribunal" means a tribu- Page 3 — nal specially constituted for tbe pur- pose of hearing cases arising under- after line 28, insert— this Act/ <12) “ (iv) any amount which has been MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put paid or is payable on account of amendments II and 12 to the House. commission, financial or otherwise, to the owner in respect of the agree- ment (18) Amendments Nos. 11 and 12 were put and negatived. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : 1 put amed- ments 8,9 10 and 18 to Clause 7 to the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question House. i s : Amendments Nos. 8, 9 ,1 0 and 18 were “That clause 12 stand part of the Bill**, put and negatived. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question The motion was adopted is : Clause 12 was added to the Bill. "That Clause 7 stand part of the Bill*'. Clauses 13 to 16 were added to the Bill. The motion m as adopted. Clause 11—(Rights of hirer in cate of Clause 7 was added to the Bill. seizure o f goods by owner) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER . The question SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg i s : to move : "That clauses 8 to 11 stand part of the Page 9,— Bill”. The motion was adopted fo r lines 26 to 29, substitute— Clauses % to 11 were added to the Bill "(2) For the purposes of this section, the value of any goods on the date of Clftiwe 12—(Assignment and transmission seizure is the price that may be of hirer's right o f interest under hire- agreed by and between the parties to purchase agreements the agreement and in default thereof, as may be ascertained by the court MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Dr. Laxtni- having jurisdiction to entertain a narayan Pandeya is not here. suit for any relief claimed under or in respect of the agreement and for SHRI PHOOL CHAND VERMA : I beg the purposes of assessing such value, to move : the court shall ascertain the best price that can be reasonably obtained Page 8, line 11— for the goods by the owner on that date, less the aggregate of the follow- fo r "court” substitute— ing amounts, namely :— M (19) •'Special Tribunal” (11) If you please see Clause 17 of the Bill# it says ia sub-clause (1): Page, 8 - fo r Him 15 to 17, substitute— "Where tbe owner sdaes under clause (c) *£x^lanationt—la this sub-section* of Motion 19 tha goods let under a ftira* 2& f f irt Purchase Bill JYAISTHA to, 1894 (SAKA) Hire Purchase Bill 234 purchase agreement, tbe hirer may recover pect of the agreement and for the purposes from tbe owner tbe amount, if any, by oi assessing such value, the court shall ascer- which tbe hire-purchase price falls short of tain the best price that can be reasonably tbe aggregate of the following amounts, obtained for the goods by the owner on namely that date, less the aggregate of the follow- ing amounts, namely '" (i) tbe amounts paid in respect of the hire-purchase price up to the date of The real alteration that I am suggesting seizure ; is that instead of making tbe parties in all cases to go to court, you give an opportunity (ii) the value of the goods on the date of to them to come to an agreement or an agreed seizure/* valuation as to the price of the goods on the date of seteure so that on the basis of that, the Sir, the intention is that if the goods are parties may regulate their rights under clause seized tbe hirer may recover the balance 17 and must not have to go to court in all cases. amount of what he has paid and the value of the goods on the date of seizure. SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHARY : I submit that the parties are not debarred Sub-section (2) purports to define the from coming to an agreement. In every dispute, value of tbe goods. It says : they are free to conie to an agreement. It is unnecessary to provide that here. If the parties “(2) For the purposes of this section, the agree the matter could be determined in value of any goods on the date of seizure accordance with the agreement Clause 17 is the best price that can be reasonably become* really relevant only when there is a obtained for the goods by the owner on dispute between the parties, not otherwise. that date less the aggregate of the follow- When there is a dispute, the matter can be ing amounts, namely :— ...” taken to a court having competent jurisdiction in accordance with the provisions of the Code The intention obviously is that the hirer of Civil Procedure If there is no dispute and atleast should get back the difference between the parties have come to an agreement, they tbe amount which he has paid and the real can decide it amongst themselves. I think, value of the goods. But how does he realise this is abundantly clear. There is no necessity it ? In all cases he is forced to go to court. of amendment. There is no other way out. Certainly the owner will not say that this is the value of the goods. Therefore, whatever the value the hirer SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : mentions, tbe owner is certainly not going to Clause 17 (2) says : accept it. What is the position ? Therefore, I have node a suggestion that in cases where “ ...the value of any goods on the date of both the parties may take up a reasonable atti- seizure is the best price that can be reason- tude, they may arrive at a figure. It may be ably obtained for the goods by the owner upon bargaining between them Then, if that on that date...*' figure is accepted and it becomes the value of I say, this is the only provision which has the goods on the date of seizure within the been made how to ascertain the best value of meaning of clause 17(1), it will avoid litigation the goods Where is the scope of an agreement between the parties concerned. Now, the only here ? method is to go to courts. There is no method. Therefore, I have suggested in my amendment SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHRY : No. 19 that, for lines 26 to 29, subsitute In every dispute, when the parties come to an agreement, the court enforces that agreement. *‘(2) For the purposes of this section, tbe value of any goods on the date of seizure is the price that may be agreed by and MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; Now, I put between the parties to the agreement and amendment No. 19 moved by Shri Somnath in default thereof, aa may be ascertained by Chatterjee to the vote of tbe House. tbe rocut having jurisdiction to entertain a suit ft r toy relief claimed under or in ret* Amendment No. 39 was put and negatived *35 H ire Purchase Bill MAY 31,1972 H«e Purchase 2te [Mr Deputy Speaker] (u) two weeks, in any other case MR DFPUTY SPEAKER The question is . the owner shall be entitled to terminate the agreement by giving the hirer notice of “That clause 17 stand part of the Bill” termination in writing The motion Has adopted Provided that if the hirer pays or fenders to tbe owner the hire in arrears together with Clause 17 was added to the Bill such interest thereon a* my be payable under thc terms of the agreement before the expiry Clause 18 (Rights o f onner to Termira e of the said period of one hire purchase agreement for default m payment c f hire or unautho- ‘week or as the case may be, two weeks, rised ait cj breach of ex- the owner shall not be entitled td termi- press conditions) nate the agreement ” SHRI SOMNATH CHAT! ERJEfc I beg This is a protection which otherwise is wel- to move come, namely, that an opportunity is given to Page 10, line 15,— the hirer to remedy the preach That oppoitunity is being given You continue to after ' weeks insert— enjoy thc benefits of the agreement I take it that is the intention or wuhm such time as may be a1!- owed by the Court on an application lh e time limit is provided only one week made by tht i irer (20) before tht, expnv of he agreement or in cast whuc the amount !•> payable at weekly or less*. inters ils Page 10, - a f er line 16 inset t — What I am proposing is this There may lie Bcnume eases of ney in one couit means a court which would month s time, no in o i k week s time or in have jurisdiction to entertain a suit two weeks time In such cises, he cannot for thc relief claimed in the appli take advantage of clause 18 The Minister wation (21) may point out Clause 21 which is the situa- tion which will arise after the agreement has Sir, I do hope this time, the Minister m i>1 been terminated, the parties, relationship not look to the departmental officers only will be considerably altered What I am suggesting is this Kindly see amendment The marginal note to clause 18 says No 20 , it says • Rights of owner to terminate hire-pur chase agieement for default in payment of “ or within such time as may be allowed hire or unauthorised act or breach of ex- by the Court on an application made by press conditions ’ the hirer ’ Then, clause 18(1) says 1 his is a ngh* given to the hirer if he can make out a case by making an application to "Where a hirer makes more than one the appropriate court The time is ordinarily default in the payment of hire as provided two weeks Bat, in these circumstances, if Id the hire purchase agreement, then he gets a little longer time, then he can pay subject to lhe provisions of section 21 off The court will dccide It is well known and after giving the hirer notice tn writing that in the case of Limitation Act when of pot less than— certain proceedings cannot be filed within the time, there is a provision for extension of (i) one week tn a case where the hire time, and the court will decide if a sufficient n pa>able at weekly or lesser inter case is made out 1 am miggettmg tfhis yaIs , and amendment bccause it ii not left to the hfoer's ' > $*?. f fltfttiM ie'm JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Hire Purchase Bill 238 discretion butthe court will go Into the to the-vote Of the House. rnartter whether be should be given a little longer time ; the Cfcurt will decide. Kindly Amendments Nos. 20 and 21 were put see again amendment No. 20. It is only and negatived. giving-powifr' to the court in appropriate cases where the hir6r makes an application. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- tion is : 'Amendment No. 21 is a consequential amendment indicating which is the court that “That Clause 18 stand part of the Bill.” will have jurisdiction in deciding this matter— in a similar language as has been provided in The motion was adopted. in Clause 12 which the House has passed. In Clause 12 you will find the definition of ‘court’ given in this explanation A similar Clause 18 was added to the Bill. definition has been provided. Clause 19 was added to the Bill. I do feei that the hon. Minister will favourably consider these amendments. Clause 20—(Restriction on owner’s right to recover possession oj goods SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHARY : otherwise than through court). Clause 18 provides that the hirer makes more than one default—not one default ; the defaults have to be two or more. The hirer MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER ; Mr. Lakshmi gets a fair chance and time. Thereafter when Narayan Pandcya is absent. the matter goes to the court, at the time of the hearing of the suit or application by the Mr. Phool Chand Verma. owner for recovery of good*, the hirer can obtain relief. Sufficient time is there... SHRI PHOOL CHAND VERMA : I beg (Interruption) If it was only one default, to move : what you say would have had very great force, but the provision is where there are more than one default. Page II, lines 34 and 35,— SHRI SOMNATH GHATTERJEE : The fo r ,;any court having jurisdiction to hirer involuntarily makes the default. No- entertain a suit for the same relief.” body wants to make a default; because he is in financial difficulties, he makes a default. substitute— He must find money within a fortnight to pay ails* the- arrears. Can the Government not “the Special Tribunal” (13) make a provision for the hirer to obtain extension of. time from court, if the court is satisfied that there has been a sufficient case? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now Is ,4 fortnightY time sufficient to get ihe put amendment No. 13 of Shri P. C. Verma money ? to the vote of the House. SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHRY : Amendmtnt No. 13 was put and nega- It is not only a fortnight. This is only when tlvtd. there is more than one default.Then he gets anbther chance to pay the money in the court THE DEPUTY SPEAKER : Now, the when the matter conies there. question is : ] I AO}, therefore, not accepting the amend* “That Clause 20 stand part of the Bill, foents. The motion wits adopted. 2’;. MR,f>£PUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now pat afi&endmentsNos. 20 and 21 to Clause-18 Clause 20 was added to the Bill, 239 H re Purchase Bill k A Y 31, 1972“Hire Purchase Bill240 C lause 21—[Relief against termi- to the hirer to take advantage of it ? Only nation for non-payment o f hire) at the hearing of the suit or the application be must pay. Therefore, before the matter ts SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE 1 beg disposed of, he has to pay off all tbe arrears to move of instalments together with interest, etc. Otherwise, he does not get tbe benefit at ail of this section What 1 have suggested is Page II, line 42,— this that it may be that during the hearing or before the hairing is over the hirer cannot after * application” insert— pay but the court in appropriate cases, after looking into the facts and the cfrcumitances "or within such time as may be allowed of the hirer and the owner may decide, ‘Yes, by the court m that behalf” (2>) although 1 am disposing of this application or the suit, I am giving you one month’s time or three weeks' time or 2 weeks* time to pav Page 11, line 47,— off * This is precisely what I have suggested It says after “delivery,” insert— “or within such time as may be allowed * or order for appointment of a receiver by the court in that behalf” or injunction** (23) which is to be added after the words 'after Because of the provision of clause 21, as I the hearing of the suit or application ’ ‘At understood the hon Minister has opposed the hearing has a very technical meaning my amendment to clause 18 because he said It means before the time it is disposed of the hirer will get another chance As he will *At the hearing of the suit or application or get another chance under clause 21, why, wnhm such time as may be allowed by the therefore, he be given opportunity under court in that behalf * Can t you trust the clause 18 ? Although I am wholly umm court ? I cannot understand This ts not pressed by this argument we have to submit a matter for the owner to decide it himself to the wishes of the massive rmndate Here, we are asking the court before which the matter is brought by the owner to Now clause 21 says decide as to what is the time which should be allowed to the hirer to pay off the arrears of "Where the owner, after he has terminated instalments including the interest What is the hire-purchase agreement in accordance the objection of the Government, I cannot with the provisions of sub-sections (I) of understand ? section 18, institutes a suit or makes an application against the hirer for the recovery In another amendment to this clause what of the goods, and at the hearing of the suit I have provided is apart from a decree or or application, the hirer pays or tenders order for specific delivery also an order for to the owner the hire in arrears, together the appointment of a Receiver or injunction with such interest . . . The purpose of this is, I shall say The posi- tion is this. It contemplates that instead of Then what will happen ? making a decree or order for specific delivery, if the clause stands as it is without amend- ment, if at the hearing of the application, 44 ..the court may, in lieu of making a that is the final disposal of tbe matter and decree or order for specific delivery pass the application or the suit, if tbe hirer pays an of order relieving the hirer against the the amount, then the court will not pass a termination, and thereupon the hirer decree or order for specific delivery, that is, shall continue in possession ..’* that the hirer do make it over to the owner. But there are many cases where during In cases of hearing where instalments are paid the pendency of the suit or an application, weekly, if a fortnight lapse* and when the there may be applications for appointment of owner goes to a co*»rt and asks for a decree Receiver and although he would have Other- for taking possession, what is the time allowed wise got the opportunity of paying up the 241 H ire Purchase Bill JYAlSTfftto; Hire Purchase Bill 242 arrears in instalments and retaining the SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHa RY : posseson of the car, he cannot take advantage Not verbal protection, but actual protection. of it. Even when an application for Receiver is made and the Reeiver is appointed by the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now court there is no restriction on the court in put amendements Nos. 22 and 23 to clause appointing a receiver or making an injunction 21 to vote. against the hirer restraining him to use the vehicle during the pendency of thc applica- Amendments Nos. 22 and 23 were tion before the court. I do not know these put and negatived obvious glaring lacunae we find in the Bill. Give an opportunity to the court to fix a MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question reasonable time. If you could make it effec- is : tive by appointment of the Receiver or making an order of injunction, that is not taken “That clause 2! stand part of Bill” . away. Therefore, I do commend these amendments for the hon. Minister’s kind uonsideiation and acceptance. I do not see The motion was adopted. any basic objection to this Clause 21 was added to the BUI. SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHARY : Clauses 18 and 20 do not modify the existing Clause 22 was added to the Bill. Jaw to the deteriment of the owner because of protection of the hirer. We must balance the MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are interests of both As I have already submitted, some amendments seeking 10 introduce new the hirers interest are sufficiently protected. clauses 22 A to 22 C. But the hon. Member The Bill docs not seek to codify the law rela- concerned is absent. ting to hire-purchase and the provisions of general law. Civil Procedure Code, Specific The question is : Relief Act, Contract Act etc will apply to the extent that they are not modified by the Bill. "That c’ause 23 stand part of the Bill” . May I also request Shri Somnath Chaticr- The motion was adopted jee to refer to Order 40 of the CPC which provides for receivers, and it will apply, as he Clause 23 was added to the Bill, has said ?... Clauses 24 to 28 were added to the Bill. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTfcRJEF. : Such an application for receiver can be made and then the receiver will be appointed. Where is Clause 29— Senice o f notice) the bar ? The bar is only against making an order for specific delivery. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg to move : SHRr NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHARY : 1 do not question what he says. I have myself Page 14, line 9, aficr “sending it by” said... in tert “registered” (25) SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : How The attitude of the hon. Minister does does be intend to protect the hirers ? not encourage me but I shai> be failing in my duty if 1 do not press this amendment. After SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHARY : all, this ought not to be a controversial legisla- As 1 have submitted, the hirers interests are tion. I am sure the hon. Minister will be con- sufficiently protected. We are trying to strike vinced of the efficacy of this amendment and a balance between the owner and the hirer by its usefulness, but I do not know why he is providing more relief to thc hirer. not able to accept it. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : By SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHARY : giving him only verbal protection, which can He will withdraw it after I make my submis- never be enforced. sions. 243 Hire Purchase Bill mXV SI, HV2 Hlfgarh Muslim University 244 (Amendment) Bill SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE . SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : U t Clause 29 reads thus . it be recorded. “Any notice required or authorised to be MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now served on or given to an owner or a hirer put amendment No, 25 to vote under this Act may be so served or given— Amendment No. 25 was put and negatived. (a) by delivering it to him personally , or MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Tbe question i s . (b) by sending it by post to him ” "That clause 29 stand part of the Bill" There are various provisions in this Bill which require notice to be given either by the owner The motion was adopted. or the hirer I am suggesting here that it will also increase the revenue of the State if we pro- Clause 29 was added to the BiU. vide that the notice should be sent by registered post It will also avoid many controversies, Clauses 30 and 3J, clause 1, the Enacting because otherwise it would be one of the Formula and the Title mere added methods of raising disputes. One will say that to the Bill he has sent the notice while the other will say that he has not received it That means that SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHARY there will be controversy over the posting of I beg to move the letter, about how the letter was sent, whether it was properly addressed and whether the envelope bore the proper and adequate “ That the Bill be passed" stamp and so on Where real protection is intended to be given, why not clearly say that MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER The question the notice should be sent by registered post 7 is "That the Bill be passed" SHRI NITIRAJ SINOH CHAUDHARY I am sure my hon friend will agree with me that there are overriding provisions m the The motion uas adipud General Clauses Act in this regard Section 27 of tbe General Clauses Act provides : 14 33 b n "Where any Central Act or Regulation made after the commencement of this Act ALIGARH MUSLIM UNIVERSITY authorises or requires any document to be (AMENDMENT) BILL served by post whether the expression 'serve* or either of the expressions 'give' MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER We have half or ‘send* or any other expression is used, an hour before we reach the deadline of 3 p m . then, unless a different intention appears, for the motion fixed to be taken up at that the service shall be deemed to be affected time Now Prof S Nurual Hasan by properly addressing, pre-paying and posting by registered post a letter contai- aft srcw ftnjrfl qwfoft (wrrffrnr) s ning the document " s'rrsrar tft, arm sm fc fc i SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE ‘ Does arra vtfrafar % % q v m m % the hon Minister mean that wherever it is provided as in this case that the notice be fadf-w ftnrr *r*nr f arrerr sent by post, because of the General Clauses % fo srsfta* fftrafanft qfrrfrg f*sr 1972 Act, it must be sent by registered post ? Is that m 1 1 his view ? SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAUDHARY • ST O W u t t Yea, 245 Aligarh Muslim JYAISTHA 10,1894 (SAKA) University (Amendment) 246 B ill vtftarsnff the other hand there is a faculty of theology. frw *r f?mt *mf?nri If you would be good enough to refer to page 36, where a full list of faculties is given along f t v% u n m x % fat* 3r®»t with the departments, you will observe that on ?r$ I , fare arew tft *r page 37, under No 8, there is a faculty of engineering and technology. On page 36, in fare* ^ f t a r * m | $ v line 21, there is a faculty of theology. This * t T £ 1 1 ?fr quite obviously is printer’s devil and there is no intention on the part of the Mover of this t i t m * t S f a f t *cffeife fa*r 11 a m Bill to surreptitiously put in an amendment. *rtfrfar «f t a r r ^ r 9, ^ r 9, a if* 42— PROF S NURUL HASAN Sir, this mission had made certain general recommends Bill is coming almost seven years after the lions A model legislation Committee had also emergency legislation was passed by this House meet and made certain recommendations The in 1965, University Grants Commission's decision to appoint a high-powered Committee was, there- 14.40 fan fore, welcomed by the Government and the Government decided that it would be better {Shri K N Tiwary in the Chau] to await the receipt of the report of such a Committee befoie finalising its proposals to amend the Aligarh Muslim University Act In when that emergency legislation modified or 1970, however, the University proposed changcd the composition or the Executive to organise the Golden Jubilee of its Council and the Court and reduced the powers foundation A view was put forward by many of the Court Instead of a duly constituted people in tbe university as well as in Parlia Executive Council and a duly constituted ment that it would not be entirely proper for Court, that emergency legislation introduced the university to celebrate its golden jubilee a nominated Executive Council and a nomina- while it was being administered by a nominated ted Court. That Bill, however, did not, in any executive council and a nominated court way, affect the functioning of the academic Government, therefore, brought forward a bodies of the University or its powers But, in temporary legislation—the Aligarh Muslim any case, the Government had promised that University Amendment Bill —in 1970 seeking to it would bring in a proper, comprehensive establish a fully constituted executive council measure a< early as possible so that m plate and a fully constituted court but at the same of the nominated Executive Council and a time stating that it was a transitional measure nominated Court, a properly constituted Exe- and Government would introduce a comprehen- cutive Council and Court might be introduced ive Bill after the receipt of the recommenda- tions of thc Gajendragadkar Committee by At that time, it was also felt that it would UGC and Government be tn the best interests of the Aligarh Muslim University itself as well as in thc general in- But tn the meanwhile, a great deal of agi- terests of academic life in the country if the tation was mounted up partly inside tbe univer- principles by which the Aligarh Muslim sity and parily outside, in the colleges of the city University Bill were to be drafted were to be as well as in the university, both demanding more or less the same as the principles by something which would not satisfy the other which the Banaras Hindu University Bill were The university m such a situation decided to to be drafted In the meanwhile, the House postpone the celebration of its golden jubilee passed in 1966 the Banaras Hindu University and therefore, the immediate urge to bring in Act, but by this time various controversial a measure of temporary reform was no longer issues began to be raised from various quar- there and the Government decided not to ters, regarding, firstly the nature of the proceed with that Bill but to await the recom- Banaras Hindu University and then the chara- mendations of the Gajendragadkar Commit- cter of the Aligarh Muslim University A little tee later, certain unfortunate incidents took place in the Banaras Hindu University A Committee The Gajendragadkar Committee submitted of Enquiry was appoined to look into that its recommandations tn tht summer of 1971 and consequently the measure was fuither The UGC generally endorsed the recommenda- delayed tions of this committee Subsequently the Go- vernment of India brought these rccommenda In tbe meanwhile at the instance of a con- tions to the notice of all State Governments ference of Vice-Chancellors, the University In the meanwhile, the UGC bad brought these Grants Commission appointed a committee on recommendations to the notice of all univer- the governance of universities under the chair- sities After waiting for some time to assess the manship of P r P B Gajendragadkar It was reaction ia the country both among tbe univer- felt that the Radhaknshnan Commission had sities and State Governments, the then Edu- gone into some length tn the matter of the cation Minister, Shri Siddhartha Shankar Ray organisational pattern of the Universities in made a statement in this House saying that the country Enough time has elapsed since the Government accepted the recommendations then in the meanwhile, the Education Com- of tbe Gajendragadkar Committee. After that, 240 Aligarh Muslim JYAISTHA 10, 1894 ($AKA) University (Amendment) 250 Bill tbe Government started working on tbe legis- Indian culture and civilisation, and particularly lative proposals of the various Centra! Univer- with the contribution which the Muslims have sities. Since the Aligarh Bill had been made to the growth of the composite culture inordinately delayed, it was decided to take up of India. that Bill first. We hope that very soon, Government will be coming before Parlia- Aligarh had been empowered to admit, ment with legislation in regard to the gover- under certain conditions, persons to appear at nance of the other Central Universities. In this its examination as private candidates. This Bill every care has been taken to see that thc power has been slightly enlarged to include governance, the pattern of organisation of lhe corrcspondance courses as well so that purely university is in accordance with the recommen- private candidates may no longer be admitted, dations of the Gajendragadkar Committee. 1 but those who are permitted to appear as shall try to explain the main provisions of the private candidates are given some sort of Bill. instruction. This, the hon. House will recall is in accordance with the National Policy Apart from a number of purely formal Resolution on education. We have also clauses, which thc hon. Members can see very brought in measures lor thc establishment clearly what they are, I would like to explain within a radius of 25 k ms of the university what appear to me to be the more important special centrcs, specialised laboratories and features of this Bill. Firstly, in the powers other units which thc univcisity may have of the University, section 5(2) had already to establish. We have also provided that the provided that special attention shall be paid university may dcclare the Depaitment of by the University for the promotion of S:udies to be an autonomous department in oriental and Islamic studies and the teaching accordance with the recommendation of the of the Muilim iheology. The precise words Education Commission and the Gajjndia- are “ to promote oriental and Islamic studies gadkar Committee. and give instruction in Muslim theology and religion and to impart moral and physical training” . In addition to it, it has been The next important change is the deletion of Section 12(a) Of the Principal Act. Section decided to add another clause, as clause (b), 12(a) of the Principal Act enabled the wbich says Mto promote the study of the reli- university to affiliate colleges to it. The gions, civilisation and culture of India.” This Gajendragadkar Committee Report made a is based on a specific recommendation, which categorical recommendation that except for has been made by the Gajendragadkar Com- the university of the Delhi it would be mittee, which has said at page 20 : desirable for thc central university to remain unitary teaching institution. This principle "It is hoped that both Aligarh and was accepted in the case of Banaras Hindu Banaras would make a special effort, if University in 1966. At that time Banaras had necessary jointly, to make a study of the for historical reasons four colleges affiliated composite culture of India.” to that University. But in 1966 the power of tbe University further to affilia'e any Incidentally, Aligarh has already been contri- college was taken away so that the teaching buting to the study of the classical languages and residential unitary character of thc i niver- like Arabic, Parsian, Sanskrit, Prakrit and sity may not further be eroded. In the case Pali. It bas been paying a good deal of of Aligaih, the university had not at any time attention to the teaching of Urdu, Hindi and its power under Section 12(a) and had never some of the other modern Indian languages affiliated any college to the university. like Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, Bengali and Therefore, the deletion of Seetion 12(a) of the I believe now, Marathi also. It bas had the principal Act does not adversely affect the privilege of paying special attention to the interest of any college which is already allilia* promotion of Urdu. It is, therefore, only ted but at thc same time it brings this fit and proper that this emphasis on the study measures into line with the similar measure of religions, civilisation and culture of India in Banaras Hindu University Act, It Is also should be evpHcity provided herein. The in accordance with tbe recommendations of .deportment of History, the Department of the Gajendragadkar Committee and there Is a Civilisation and several other departments great deal ol academic justification for feave been dealing with various aspects of keeping some of our educational institution ISi Violation o f Company Law MAY 31, 1972 by a Calcutta firm (M) 252 (Prof S. Nural Hasan] do net want to talk about previous' years. They have been described as corrupt and unitary and residential, It is primarily in people with lack of integrity. Let us search unitary and residential universities tbat our hearts, ask our conscience. There are innovation and experimentation in academic many honest persons in the House who have thinking can easily take place. It is only grass-roots and I have only my regards for here that major reforms of the examination them and I do not wish to touch them system and of continuous assessment of the at all work of students can take place. It is also only in such institutions that the unitary and residential life of a university can be fully SHRI S.A. SHAMIM (Srinagar); Thank organised. Therefore, taking into considera- you for the compliment. tion all these important factors, the Govern* ment have accepted the recommendation of the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You will Gajendragadkar Comfnittee and have proposed agree it will not be wise for many to shout that Section 12(a) of the principal Act be and get identified with the other camp. Al- omitted. though the Government and the ruling party, it is understood ever} where, is seething with MR, CHAIRMAN : You may continue corruption, very little has come out in black to-morrow. and white. With great difficulty, we have been able to produce a few photostats - that is nothing more than a drop iu the ocean 15 hrs. but fot these few persons who had to sacrifice MOTION RE : ALLEGATION OF their jobs. About six workers of Saraswati PUBLICATION OF LARGE Press have been thrown out of jobs ; they NUMBER OF POSTERS BY A have been thrown out to starve because they COMPANY IN VIOLATION have been considered to be providing these OF COMPANY LAW documents to us. MR. CHAIRMAN . We now take up the During the Finance Bill debate, I produced motion in the name of Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu. a few photostats, authenticated it, and under I have a request to make to you all. With- the command of the Chair, I handed it over out the permission of the Chair, nobody to the Chatr. I feel, the Government got should get up terribly cold feet and, without thoroughly examining the documents carefully—you require this sometimes-they tried to deny. [Mr. Speaklr in the ChairJ The honourable Prime Minister, the dear MR. SPEAKER ; Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu. leader of the country, although present in the House, got cold feet and kept silent. Mr. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond Chavao, a clever man, a good parliamentarian, Harbour) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I regret to say, in reply said, "He has made some baseless to start with, that we expected the Prime charges against my party'* and he stopped at Minister to remain present in the House that. because she has brought a lot of controversy. If she feels nervous to face the House, well, we take it that way, that she has preferred to My friend, Mr. Ganesh, a junior Minister, stay away. Let her not take recourse to went a little further and called it, ‘a serious address a maidan meeting about things matter’, in the Rajya Sabha ; he said, it Is a happening in the house. This is a very serious matter but a fabricated document. But important matter, The whole country is the bon. Prime Minister, the dear leader of wanting to know things. I make a submis- this House, who is running with the hare and hunting with the bound—as she said of sion before you, Sir. Let the House be brought to order. The howling and speaking one of the Congressmen in a recent episode are two different things. With your good wishes, felt very shaky and had no courage to Awe the House on this issue and she decided to I start. take recourse to serious impropriety and dis- Sir, the politicians in India, unfortunately, played lack of basic integrity. In the name itand discredited during the last 25 years. 1 of so called drought relief mission to W«if 253 Violation o f Company JYAISTHA 10,1894 (SAKA) Law by a Calcutta 254 Firm (M ) Bengal on 20th May, she addressed the youth and you may please be kind enough to refer rally at Calcutta and said this. This is as it to the Public Accounts Committee for a reported in the Statesm an : thorough examination on that account. What are the Government doing about these viola- •'Mrs Gandhi said that documents pro* tions which have already taken place, Mr. duced in this connection were false. The Raghunatha Reddy must tell us today : viola- photostat contained no real evidence. Her tion of Company Law, black money and many picture was superimposed and the letter many other issuer are involved. allegedly written by the Press to a mono- polist contained no signature. But the “ They paid the Marxists”. I challenge CPI(M ) will spread the word that the Mrs. Gandhi to prove it .(Interruptions) Congress took money..." SHRI K. P. UNNI KRISHNA N (Bada- Then I come to the Times o f India which gara) ; You got from Mandeha, Mavoor. says : Calicut. * She referred to the election poster SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I say. controversy to say that the allegation prove it. against the Congress had absolutely no basis at all. Capitalists provided funds for every party. They paid us, they also SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : We paid the Marxists but...... " e tc , etc. will. Then the Calcutta paper. Hindustan Stan* SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : There is a dard reported : reply given by the Minister of Industrial Deve- lopment and Internal Trade, Mr Raghunatha "The CPM was trying to prove that the Reddy, from Hyderabad .. Congress was a party backed by capi- talists MR SPEAKER : What is this about ? Who doubts that ? SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Company donations. “thouogh it talked of socialism. The photostat, Mrs. Gandhi emphatically MR. SPEAKER : What is it ? pointed out, was totally baseless...... ” etc. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : This is the She also said that capitalists’ money had reply given in the Rajya Sabha. nothing to do with these payments, MR. SPEAKER : What is the issue ? 1 shall answer her, with your permission, one by one, and I hope the Press will give SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Company similar coverage. ..{Interruptions) donations. MR. SPEAKER ; Is that your main They have given a list of umpteen number object ? of the parties headed by the Congress which was given Rs 2,33,07,021. If the hon. Mem- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We can ber can point out in that list giving at least have a quiet chat outside* Sir. 40 names the name of the CPI (M), I shall take any punishment that the House may give. 1 come to the utterances of the Prime Minis- ter. They paid Mrs. Gandhi and her Party. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : You These art very serious admissions. We want take it under the table. a list of all those who had paid the money from 14-1970 to 31-5-1972. We want a copy SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY (N/za- of that to be laid on the Table of the House m abad): You take it at the paint of gun. 255 Violation o f Company Law MAY 31, 1972 by a Calcutta Ft m (AO 256 SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Although of State lor Finance here and 1 don’t want to the Congress tops the list, although the Con* mention the name here because it is not ante* gross survives on the capitalist money, I can rial (Interruptions) Mr. Arua Chandra assure the House that my Party survives on the Guha ? 1 don’t know about it. It was common working man's contribution • written to Mr. Gaur, Typist II, Calcutta, dated (Interruptions). 1st March 1972 It says . She said ' The documents produced were “Some drafts were allotted to you for false “Photostat contained no real evidence'*, typing and this included a letter regarding "Picture superimposed” , “ Letter allegedly the election poster No 2, a sew design written by the press to a monopolist contained addressed to Shri R P Goenka, Manag- no signature ”, “No mention of the Press ing Director, Duncan Brothers, 31 Netaji Work Order", This is very strange She Subhas Bose Road, Calcutta 1 The letter did not talk about the fully Mgned photostat alongwith some carbon copies were typed which talked about the placement of an order by you on the same date and issued under to the tune o 8 lakhs, the minimum of which reterence No .dated 1st March 1972 is Rs 4,80,000 There is no mention about under the signature of Shn Dipak Bose, that. But, Sir, this is most interesting .. Asst Sales Manager It is significant to After her return from Calcutta, the two pho- note that while you put your initials on tostats were stealthily taken away from the all other letters typed by you on that date, Speaker’s office I consider the office has at the end of this letter, as per your usual not been kind to me in this icgard practice, you did not put your initials on the copies of above letter which was typed MR SPEAKER When you give it to by you presumably to conceal your iden- me, I showed it to her also tity with an ulterior motive ” SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU I will come It appears that a copy of the above letter to the conclusion on that on a printed letterhead of this company was supplied to the management of the daily paper Satyajug on the basis of which This shows without anybody’s doubt that a photostat copy of the above letter was she did not eally know the full contents ot published in the issue of the Satyajug on the photostats before going to Calcutta and 10 3 72 there she miskd the country Does a become of a Prime Minister of a country ? As a result of the publication of the About the picture superimposed, I say she photostat copy of the above letter in Satya- did not read this small press line which, of ju g the secrecy of the order placed on course, requires a magnifying glass It says this press by a reputable party was divul- ‘Printed by Saraswati Press', I can piste an- ged and the reputation of the company other copy of that with the pressline which has been seriously undermined. As it is clearly says 'Printed at Saraswati Press, pub- apparent that such publication m the above lished on behalf of All India National Con- paper was possible as a result of your gress* I have also got for the pleasuie of the taking the initiative in supplying the mana- House a photostat superimposed with the press* gement of the above newspaper with a line ‘Printed at Saraswati Press and published copy of your above letter to the detriment on bchall of the All India National Congress of the company's interest and as such Committee’ (Interruptionsj You please action on your part amounts to communi- allow me to place it on the Table of the cation directly to an outsider of a docu- House. * Documents are false, letter allegedly ment which came to your possession in written by the press to a monopolist contained course of your official duties. You are no signature ” Sir, I read out the two docu- hereby charged with committing an act ments for your pleasure This is letter dated which constitutes a major misdemeanour 15th March ‘‘Shri Saraswati Press 1 under clause 17(c) (xiv) of the Certified must say one word I have missed it 'Shri Standing Orders of the Company Sawaraswati Press’ is controlled by a Con* gressman who was a Deputy Finance Minister You arc accordingly hereby directed here {Interruptions) Yes. he was Minister to furnish your explanation in writing 257 Violation o f Company Law JYA1STHA10.1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (M ) 258 within 48 hours from the time of receipt MR. SPEAKER : The time allotted was of thi* chargesbeef’.-.etc. 3 hours. You were given 20 minutes. Thai is already over. I place it os the Table* of the House. And then, on the 12th May 1972, there is this letter SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I talked to to Sfttri Balakrishna Dhar, the same unfortu- the Chairman and 1 was given to understand nate person. It says : that I will be given a little more itfme, Sir. The press order clearly shows that eight lakhs “With reference to the enquiry regarding posters were ordered. The cost is Rs 60 par the above matter as held by Shri S B thousand. The value comes to Rs 4.80 lakhs. Dutt, Labour Adviser, Bengal National Over Rs. 5.50 takhs is in the name of Messrs. Chamber of Commerce and Industry, this Balmer Lawry, which is also under the control is to inform you that the Enquiry Officer of Messrs. Duncan Bros has found that the charge against you for unauthorised disclosure of information The letter about which Shrimati Gandhi had regarding the affairs of this Press, which said says : came to your knowledge in course of your duties has been fully established and there “The bill will be submitted to you, Mr. are no extenuating circumstances. R P. Goenka when the job will be com- pleted.” As the above enquiry was held in your presence and you were permitted to It does not say far a moment that the bill will be represented by a co-workman.” be submitted to the Indian National Congress. It is all in documents. Anything that you The man has been dismissed on suspicion. I want to see we are prepared to show to you can produce the original letter which is in my Why was this favour shown ? Why was bag. For the time being I am placing this there this violation of company law ? And why photostat copy. Mrs Oandhi’s congress cannot has this been allowed ? servive without big money. 75 per cent of our countrymen during the past 25 years have The hou'e of Goenkas had a phenomenal been kept illiterate and in utter darkness. t ise during the last ten years. We have heard You can take them for a ride and talk about about the scandal* of Asian Cables. I do not garibi hatao. They talk about payment by wish to go into the ditails of that. It Is crossed cheque I want to ask : What stop- alleged that the Government gave them im- ped them from placing order directly ? Why port hccnce for ten times their actual require- did they not place order directly to the Sara* ments. They have sold it in the black maikct. m a ty Press ? Is the good will of the Indian On the floor of this House, the matter has National Congress and its leaders in any way been discussed. less than Mr. R. P. Goenka’s ? I want to MR. SPEAKER : The motion is about ask them this also, I have got genuine violation of company law. But the hon. friends in the Congress... Member is side-tracking that issue. MR. SPEAKER : The discussion before SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am not the House is only about violation of the Com- moving an inch out of it. I assure you, Sir, pany Law. Kindly bear with me. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : It is all MR. SPEAKER : The question is about interconnected. violation of company law. But the hon. Member is not coming to that. MR. SPEAKER : There need not be char- ges and counter-charges This is only about SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Kindly violation of the Company Law. allow me to continue. SHRI INDRAJ1T GCJPTA (Alipur) : A SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I assure little background is also required, and he has xou on that. Sir... to give it T h e Speaker nett having subsequently accorded the necessary permission, the document was not treated as laid on the Table. 259 Violation o f Company Law MAY Si, 19*72 by a Calcutta Firm (I# ) 260 MR. SPEAKER : The motion is about Cables three years ago. What has happened violation of company law, but he is going on to that ? Because of this hush money, they without coming to that. are being made to keep quiet, I have written three letters to three Ministers during the last SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I art at ten days to get more details about this, to the ytoax command, 'Sir. I am not moving an Department of Company Affairs, to the Minis- inch out «f the subject. try of Industrial Development and to the Ministry of Foreign Trade, but I have been Why did he do that ? unable to get any real answer to my queries. No real information has been divulged.,, MR SPEAKER : I am asking the hon Member to come to the main point. MR SPBAKER : The hon. Member is making allegations against them and he is SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir, you trying to get information from them and he is are a lawyer and I Am sure you understand asking them whether they are true. my line of argument. So, kindly bear with me. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : They wan- ted diversification of product, for the soncalled utilisation of polythence, But actually there SOME HON. MEMBERS : He must be was no utilisation ; it was sold in the black- fallowed to make out his case. market To cover this up, they collected, Shri Ramu Goenka or R P. Goenka alone SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Polythene collected Rs 4 58 crores for the 1972 elections . was sold in the blackmarket for a few crores of rupees thus fntering away foreign exchange. MR SPEAKFR : I am not going to What I am saying seriously is that this man, allow this I am not going to allow any- Ramu Ooenka, or Shri R P. Goenka almost body’s name to be mentioned here, unless started a second office somewhere in a Minis- there is a substantive motion ter’s office and started collecting funds I do not want to mention the name of the 1 on SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Ramu Minister, if I can avoid it. (Interruptions) Goenka bad thrown a victory celebration party in Delhi costing Rs 50,000 in which he had SHRI K. P. UNN1KRISHNAN : Let hrm made a speech ..(Interruptions) withdraw this charge. MR SPEAKER : The hon. Member is SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU * I am saying making a speech without coming to the mam so on my own responsibility.. point. MR. SPEAKER : The hon. Member is SHRI C M STEPHEN (Muvattupu2h a ): making extraneous statements, I am not going On a point of order, Sir...(Interruptions) to allow it. MR. SPEAKER : Is the hon. Member SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I do not sure that he has no file with him today ? Let want to mention the name of Shri Uma him kindly keep sitting. Shanker Dixit. As I have said, I do not want to mention the Minister’s name Why should SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE (Gwa- I ? I have already toid you that I would not lior) : He has no file today. name him (Interruptions) Why are they shouting ? There was a CBI inquiry institu- SHRI C. M. STEPHEN ro$e-(Interru- ted... ptions) MR. SPEAKER : The hon. Member said MR. SPEAKER ; No, no, pieaae. Sit that he would not mention names, but he has down please. mentioned names now. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Mr. B. K. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : There was Shah, the managing director of New India a CBI inquiry instituted against these Asian Assusance C o , collected, IU, *6 lakhs and m Violation o f Company taw J y a I s T h a 10,1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (M ) X>1 made It to the Congress through one Gunwant saying, and 1 have not said, anything Kapad'ia, a high official in their department. different. (Interruptions) Then, the Birtos paid around Rs. 30 lakh*. They wanted to pay a part to SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : 1 demanded the Andhra Congress Chief, hut then he was at least 24 hours' notice. Without informing told that “ you are no friend of the Congress.*' you of those names, he is mentioning so nwitty He was not allowed. names and making allegations against them. SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS rose— MR. SPEAKER ; No names shall be allowed. MR. SPEAKER : He refers to the Prime Minister ; then in the same breath he refers to SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: It must be some Kapadia. (Interruptions) expunged. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : There was SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU ; Sir, as a circular ; it was signed by the Secretary- I said, a quota for the spin dicage was fixed. General, Bhaskar Kakatkar— Now, the Indian Cotton Mills Federation in 1972 issued a circular signed by them, in SOME HON. MEMBERS rose— rcspect of paying by cheques for the advertise- ments in the Congress party’s souvenir : in MR. SPEAKER : Kindly sit down. He the District Congress souvenir : Rs. 100, is not coming to the point. He must come to Rs. 60 and so on. the point. SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Sir, on a SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am quo point ol order. ting from a newspaper. Why are they so fidgety ? MR. SPEAKER ; Are you treating it as a point of order ? Will you please sit THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY down 7 I strongly object to the method by AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANS* which points of order arc sought to be raised { PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : Sir, I rise holding the book aloft like a flag and trying to a point of order. According to rule 353, to raise a point of order. (Interruptions) Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu should have sent to you a copy of his notice or previous intimation SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: Sir, let me about the subject which he wants to deal with. frame my point of order, Mr. Jyotirmoy No allegation of a defamatory nature can be Bosu is raising this motion under rule 184. made against any person unless the Member Under rule 184, what has got to be discussed has given previous intimation to the Speaker is a matter of general public interest. • No and also to the Minister concerned. such discussion shall take place except on a motion made with the consent of the Speaker. MR. SPEAKER : He cannot mention any names about whom he did not inform the SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : Con- Speaker. So 1 will not allow any allegations gress corruption. against them. No allegations against them. SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : The motion SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS rose— says : SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura “That this House do consider the a lk i* E ast): To show how the violation took tions made, with the «ypport of photostat place, we have to build up our case. (/#»- copy....” terruptions) MR. SPEAKER : This motion was MR. SPEAKER: The motion is only agreed to by the Committee which weighed about the violation of the company law. each word. No name of any party ; nothing of the kind ; except that this should be a case SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I have of violation of the company law oa which this wrfttah to you under rule 353. I am not debate was allowed. I cannot allow tfc 263 Violatton o f Company La# MAY 31, 1972 by a Caktma FtmXM^ 264 [Mr. Steftfceri MR. SPEAKER : Whethei that is a breach of the company law or acft that will be debate to go outside its scope. considered * motivations can be metttioned. Bat if anything that is not mentioned in the SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : I have to motion before the House is brought in, I win frame my point oforder. not allow that, MR. SPEAKER : I understand your PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : That point of order. If there is a violation, he means a general discussion is permissible must prove the violation first. about motivation. SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Let me frame THE MINISTER OF SfTEEL AND my point of order. The motion says “That MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMAR AMAN- this House do consider the allegations made, GA LAM ): This is not a general discussion with the support of photostat copy, during about the violation of company law ; it is not the debate on the Finance Bill...... had got an allegation in general. The allegation in published a large number of posters in clear the motion is that the Managing Director of violation of the Company Law.” Duncan Bros. Ltd. had got published a large number of posters in clear violation of the That particular allegation which is sought company law. The motion is concerned only lo be supported by a photostat copy is alone with that. The allegations made with the open to discussion in this House. support of photostat copy are to be con- sidered. Other companies are not involved ; MR. SPEAKER : Kindly sit down. no political party has been mentioned...... (Interruptions) SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Therefore nothing else can be permitted. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE : It is involved. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Rajpur) : Sir, a point of order. My point SHRI PILOO MODY : We have come oforder is this. According to the motion to bury Caesar ; not to praise him. The printed here in the Order of business, it is Dhotostat is clear in so far as the allegations true that violation of the Company Act is to made. The allegations is against a particular be discussed. In relation to that I want to party. That is the subject matter of dis- seek a clarification, a ruling. cussion. When we are discussing violation of SHRI S A. SHAM1M : It mentions the company law in the general discussion can Congress party ; the photostat copy, I mean... we not name...... -{Interruptions) SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I am SOME HON. MEMBERS : No. rather pained to see that my hon. friend a veteran politician Mr. Mohan Kumaraman- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Try galam is seeking protection under the to understand what I am saying. When we Speaker’s chair. I was talking about the are permitted to discuss the violation of the Indian Cotton Mills Federation wKh which company taw, we can also go into the moti- Mr. Goenka is connected. In 1972, this year, vations as to why the company law has been a circular was issued signed by the Secretary violated. It will be perfectly in order. General fixing a quota of each mill on spindlage. If a mill had paid money against MR. SPEAKER : First let it be con- phony advertisement in a district Congress sidered whether it is violation or not. If it souvenir, if It was in cheque it was Rs. 100, If ft established that there was a violation, we it was in black it was Rs< 67. ! asfced my can ®oin ?or motivation. informer: why has the process been reversed ? He said : the man gets rebate SHRI HLOO MODYJ I assure you, on income-tax. So, It i s : Heads I win, there is violation. tails you }ose. There w*a a reward, Import 1W V talaion o f Company Law JYAiSTHA 10,1894 [SAKAI by a Calcutta F,rm(M, MS or oae lakh tales of additional global cotton The relevant clause (Section 293A) in the was to be allowed...... (Interruptions) The amending Bill reads : cotton merchants paid Rs. 14,50,000...... Notwithstanding anything contained SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : I rise on a in this Act (Companies Amendment Act, point of order. Is all this permissible ? It 1968) neither a Company in general is not a part of the motion that we are meeting nor its Board of Directors shall, considering ? (Interruptions) after the commencement of the Act, contribute any amount or amounts (a; to SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : ...... to any political party or (b) for any political Dixit through Madam Mohan Rice, Chandra purpose to any individual or body. Singh Hansraj and Kesarji Thakkar and the reward was that a port of the' cotton import In case of contravention (i) the will be allowed directly by merchants instead company shall be punishable with fine of through the Cotton Corporation of India. upto Rs. 5000 and (li) every officer of the The paper people collected Rs 3£ crores and company who is in default shall be handed it over to them. National Rayon punishable with imprisonment upto three atone paid Rs. 60 lakhs. (Interruptions). years and liable to fine.” MR. SPEAKER : The question is about This is the position. Let me quote what the Duncon Bros. former Chief Justicc Subba Rao said. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : All these MR SPEAKER : You have already donations are in violation of the Company taken double the time. Instead of 20 minutes, Law. 1 want your permission to read out a you have already taken 40 minutes. few things which are vital for the country. SHRI JYOURMOY BOSU : I air MR. SPEAKER : It should be vital to concluding, Sir. Former Chief Justice of the the motion. Supreme Court, Mr. K. Subba Rao said in October 1967 that the provisions in the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir, Company Law for contributions to political Government should not seek shelter under parties was a “hopeless source of corruption,” your table. Crores and crores of rupees were collected for this &aribi hatao mission and This is what the Monopolies Commission in return rewards were given, which created says. more hardship and rise in the cost of living for the poor man. MR SPEAKER : You are saying about what the Commission says or what law says. Sir, I am not talking about a minister or The question is, what do you say about this a minister’s daughter-in-law because they are motion 7 not in good taste. I want to talk about a vulgar book published by a man from Rajya SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I will Sabha, Mohan of Meakin Breweries... come to that. This is what the Monopolies Commission say : MR. SPEAKER : What has this book lo do with this motion ? “But people cannot be blamed if they believe that it is the hope of favours to be SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : It is a received that induces such payments and connected with company donations) after the election is over businessmen try (Interruptions). Those cannies who. their best to see that the investment made swallowed much were either dropped from by them brings satisfactory return. We Ministry or mad* Governor. cannot also ignoie the unfortunate reality that some big bu&inesspten do not hesitate Sir, 1 want to say a few things, f want to use their ‘deep rocket* to fry to corrupt to quote from Oris UNI publication In d ia public officials in the a tempt to continue T otiajn and increase their industrial domain, V, io1 Violation o f Company t (Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu] not come into the picture It has to be as is often alleged, the general level of assured that jt js not a return for flavours honesty tn the country has gone down, granted The question of etee&OB expenses cme at least of the contributory causes has and the unfair nature of the slogan in the been this conduct of some businessmen ” poster have to be gone into Then credit is taken for the victory in Bangladesh which “The Direct Taxes Enquiry Committee should legitimately belong to Sheikh Mujtbur Pinal Report says at page 8 Rehman and the refugees For want of time I cannot go into all that "It ts also spent tn purchasing illegally quotas and licence; at premia, financing SHRI RAJ BAHADUR . All these are secret commissions, bribes, litigation etc irrelevant. giving ‘on-money’ in business transactions, buying industrial peace, financing election SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU So, my expenses and giving donations to political demand is that an all party parliamentary parties Black money is also utilised in committee should probe into the matter and call deposits, bogus hundi loans, aiquisi- see what can be done tion of movable aod immovable assets ” I beg to move MR SPEAKER This ts a debate on a particular subject, which is so much clearly “That this House do consider the allega- demarcated But he goes on coveriog a very tions made, with the support of photostat wide ground copy during the debate on the Finance Bill by Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu that the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU Ronald Managing Director of Duncan Bros Ltd Segal says at page 250 of hts book The Crisis Calcutta had got published a large number oj Indta . of posters in clear violation of the Com- pany Law *’ "Moreover, Congress enjoys, despite the foundutioo of the big business backed MR SPFAKLR Motion moved Swatantra Party, by far the largest access to money for political purposes-less That thu House do consider the allega- through the generosity of its mass suppoit, tions made with the suppo/t of photostat for the poor of India are far too poor to copy, during the debate on the Finance provide any significant subsidy than from Bill by Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu that the the merchants and industrialists m pursuit Managing Director of Duncan Bros Ltd , of government contracts, import licences, Calcutta had got published a large number and administrative jobs for menibers of of posters m clear violation of the Com- the families . .. Today vast industrial pany Law ” concerns not only give substantial sums to Congress for its election funds, but I would like to point out to Shri Jyotirmoy carefully advertise their gifts, and the Bosu that he has taken more than double the Congress leadership is stolidly unembar- time I would also invite his attention towards rassed by such contributions Lai Bahadur relevancy Shastri, now Prime Minister, when Minister of Commerce and Industry, SHRI K N TIWARY (Bettfah) Sir, in dedared in Parliament the great noise he has said so many things 'I candidly admit that Congress has which are not according to rules May I re- collected funds from these rich quest you to go through the records ta d , if people who wanted to give funds ” they are not according to the rules, they should not be part of the record ? (interruptions) I will conclude by saying that some of these questions have to be answered by the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU .Sir, may I Government Is the Department of Company lay these things on the Tabie ? Affairs prepared to have a probe and then prosecution to stop all this ? Severe action MR SPEAKER I wUJ have to see them has to be takes to see that black money does before I allow them to be laid on the Table* 2 ft V loktim ofCompany Law JYAISTHA jo , 18M (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (Hi) 270 SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY (Kendra- rightly expressed certain opinions which show para): 1 beg to move : That for the original that he has been holding brief for certain motion, the following be substituted, other houses. namely • I am not holding any brief for Duncan “This House, having considered the allega- Bros. It is a matter for the Company Law tions made, with the support of photostat and the matter has to be decided by the copy, durfrg the debate on the Finance Government whether they have violated the Bill by Shri Jyotirmoy Bo&u that the law or not. But Mr. Bosu has sufficiently Managing Director of Duncan Bros. Ltd , proved his great talent to advocate on behalf of Calcutta had got published a large number Birla House and to just malign the other busi- of posters in clear violation of the Com- ness house in the glimpses of his speeches. I pany Law, is of the opinion that a Parlia- am just explaining 1 was just listening to the mentary Committee may be appointed to speech of Mr. Bosu with great patiecne. Mr. enquire into the matter in all its aspects.” Bosu has raised the issue and motion for the 0 ) Duncan Bros, affairs in the poster issue and he has also taken the name of the Prime SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contat): I beg to Minister and tried to accuse her not once but move : That for the original motion, the follow- on many occasions. Well, Mr. Bosu should ing be substituted, namely be aware of the fact that this is not the first time that our beloved Prime Minister is being accused by the Marxist Communi&t Party or “ This House, having considered the allega- the Swatantra, Jan Sangh. On the previous tions made, with the support of photosat occasions she was treated as Yahya Khan copy, during the debate on the Finance during the election campaign. Before that also Bill by Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu that the site was treated as a capitalist. In spire of all Managing Director of Duncan Bros. Ltd , these things we have successfully concluded Calcutta had got published a large number our argument and I do not understand why of posters in clear violation of the Com* our friends from the opposition-Marxist pany Law, recommends that a judicial Communist Party are feeling unhappy for Committee, with a retired Supreme Court this. As Mr Bosu has rightly said their party Judge as its Chairman, be set up to inquire is a party of the Proletariat and have been into the allegations in all their aspects.”(2) collecting funds from the common people. I will certainly raise . (Inter/uptions) SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi): 1 beg to move: That for the original motion, the Mr. Speaker, Sir, Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu following be substituted, namely once again raised the issue that the Congress Party is trying (o mislead the masses and is ’•This House, having considered the allega- trying to collect money from the big business tions made, with the support of photostat houses which is the violation of the Company copy, during the debate on the Finance Law. Bill by Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu that the Managing Director of Duncan Bros. Ltd., Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am just explaining Calcutta had got published a large number certain things, (interruptions) of posters in clear violation of the Com- MR. SPEAKER : Mr Das Munsi, I am pany Law, recommends that a committee really sorry that Mr. Bosu has been going off may be constituted under the Commissions the point and SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI MR. SPEAKER : I allow you to refute (Calcutta South) : Sir, my hon, friend, Shri the point about your organisation and the Jyotirmoy Bastt, the only model of the prole- Prime Minister. The main motion Is about tariat of the Marxist Communist Party, has Duncan Bros. i n Violation 0/ Company Lw MAY 31. W72 hy a C aktm Firm iM ) 272 SHRI MUYA RANJAN DAS MUNS1: Mr. Jyoti Bosu, TheJMHue is unknowi», who I am quite aware of the fact. Mr. Speaker, it the donor. Sir, we have been specifically saying*,, SOME HON. MEMBERS Shame, MR. SPEAKER : Why are you going off shame ! the point ? SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI; SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI: This is another interesting document about the I want to submit one thing—whether I am per- violation of the Comany law. Rs. 16,000 to mitted to establish my fact that Marxist Mr. Jyoti Boau against B. K. I, Would it be Communist Party charged our party that it wrong for me to say that this “B.K” means was associated with the big business houses Birlas 1 Here, K is written ‘ B.KT\ That and collected funds. The Marxist Communist means instalment No. I. Wilt it be wrong on Party—the modern Proletariat P arty-is so my patt to assume that this donation by fashionable that they collected in one year—in ‘ B.K.” means it is from Birlas and “ B .K .r the year 1971 — not one pasia, not ten paisa, means the first instalment ? This is the, first not twenty paisa, a large sum and an amount instalment from Birla to Mr. Jyoti Bosu. Of Rs. 20,000 was devoted to Mr. Jyoti Bosu by proletariat, without having the name—an 1 am going to another interesting docu- unknow source. (Intenuptiom ) ment—Mr Iqbal Singh, an employee of Amin Chand Pyarelal. He is so proletariat that he MR. SPEAKER : You just take up the has donated only Rs. 5000, without any name, question of the violation of the Company law. from Amin Chand Pyarelal to jPromodh Das I also appreciate that, leaving aside the Gupta, Secretary of the Marxist Communist motion, Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu went to many Party. other places and persons. But, in a minute, you come to the main motion. These are all the documents. I can place them on the Table* of the House. These are SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : all in he receipts of the Marxist Communist 1 am coming to my point. The way the Party and initialled by the Marxist Communist Marxist Communist Party made up their back Party’s own collectors. This can be probed into ground, I am also trying to make the back- ana checked by any authority. Mr. Jyotirmoy ground of that. Bosu has unnecessarily explained his point in frustration. Let a parliamentary committee be MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu appointed to probe into all the cases and you did attack the Congress party and the Prime will be surprised to find that not only they Minister. 1 did not like it because he did not are being financed by the big business houses touch the motion. (Interruptions) ...(Interruptions) and also by Mr. Piloo Mody, by his own organisation, belonging to SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : big business houses. Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu produced a document, a photostat copy, collected three pieces of papers and made it into one. Very badly, they I was listening to. the speech made by Mr. have made it. I have no doubt about it. My Jyotirmoy Bosu on this issue. (interruptions) only submission on the Minister of Company Mr. Piloo Mody requests for a photostat copy. Affairs and the Minister of Home Affairs is to He is himseir a photostat copy of corruption. probe into all this, how this proletariat party, the Marxist Communist Party, has collected Now, I obtne to another point. We have funds through their own receipts without paid the poster bill by * crossed,cheque. It has having the name of the company, concealing been clarified on more than one occasion. the headline of the company and sources. And the money was collected from Members of Parliament and various sources. You can This is one instalment of Rs. 20,000 to have a probe. No problem. •The Speaker not having subsequently accorded the necctssary permission, the dooi- ment was not treated as laid on the Table. 273 V itiation o f Company JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) Law by a Calcutta 274 Firm (M ) I wilt say one thing. Mr. Bosu s Party is SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS M UNSI: a w ry intelligent Party, no doubt more intelli- Our line is very correct. I am happy that Jan gent than any party in India but not more Sangh is assisting the CPM in this game, than Mr. Piloo Mody’s. They had collected money from big business houses in a peculiar I now come to another point relating to way, depriving the labourers of their dues. In big business houses and violation of Company Texmsco, a Birla’s concern, labourers are Law, etc. As I have said earlier, the CPM is suffering for a long time for lack of payment. an intelligent Party. They know the business Texmaco came to an agreement in 1970 ; a and how to manage the game. This is a fact. losing concern, which could not provide They don’t get the money and collect the financial assistance to the labour came money in the open but they manage certain to an agreement not to repay the whole thing parleys and get the money. That has been un- with 12 per cent bonus for which the condi- masked before the people of West Bengal. So, tion was made that the management would really speaking, they are very sorry for that pay Rs. 10 from each labourer for donation and I am happy that Mr. Piloo Mody has come to the CPM party. An agreement was signed forward to assit Mr Jyotirmoy Bosu, to give in 1971 inside the factory infront of K.K. him some suggestions how he can collcct more Birla’s management where Mr. Bosu’s Party things from the big business houses...(Interru* representative was present. ptions) 1 am coming to the last point, Mr. Bosu’s 16 hrs. Party is a very open Party. It invites people on SHRI PILOO MODY : Please pursue the all occasions, but one secret thing that was point that you just made. done in their whole life, in their political history, was the secret accord in 1970 In the SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : house of Mr. Snheansu Acharya, barrister, With regard to the poster, it is a fact .. who can conceal facts and do manipulations in law, the advocate of CPM, there was a syste- SHRI PILOO MODY : Here is a chance. matic meeting arranged between him and I want to learn from him how to collect Birla; the Acharya-Birla parley started for money. financing CPM on a long-term basts When journalists went to that place, the journalists SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : were told by Mr. Bosu, 'I shall beat you un- It is a fact that the Marxist Communist less you leave this place Party have tried their best immediately after the election to accuse our Party and the Aminchand Pyarelal of Park Hotel is there Government, firstly, on the issue of rigging in Calcutta I am challenging Mr. Bosu not the elections where they have failed. Secondly, inside Parliament but in West Bengal also, to they have tried their best to establish that disprove this. Aminchand Pyarelal of Park violence has been spreading, There also they Hotel were not given licences for many reasons have failed Now, they are depending on the before the United Front Government came to issue of posters. Mr. Speaker, Sir, regarding power. Immediately after the installation of violation of company rules, it is not for me, U. F. Government, they were given licences it is for the minister for Company Affairs who providing one lakh rupees in cash and special can well explain it how far it is a good or bad, amenities to CPM. Whenever the CPM Polit- to which I am not a party but I want to esta- buro met in Calcutta, the advantage was blish the fact that our Party, so for as I know, this ; the Park Hotel would serve as the host is not linked up with any big business in on such occasions-- (Interruptions) should I India to collect money. 1 am sorry we cannot not be allowed to speak 1...{Interruptions) share our opinion with our friends on the hon. Opposition most of whom represent big busi- ness houses. x m x tm fw f (s ta r) : ^rrwear aft, arre smf< $ i farcr ^ This is not the only instance, there are sfrr $ f a trtTo % w t several other instances which I would like to place before you. In the TEXMACO and in the Birla Jute Mill the CPM made an agree- ment wjth the Birlas. The agreement is t u t 273 Violation o f Company MAY 31, 1972 Law by a Calcutta Firm (I# ) 276 [Shri Pnya Ranjan Das Munsi] know why Mr. Pilloo Mody is disturbing. At the instance of some big industrial houses, Mr. the labour have to work more and unless there is financial stability of the company, they have Pi loo Mody's party diverted some funds to not to pay any more to the labour but they CPI (M). Since you have rung the bell twice, I conclude. have to pay a substantial amount to the Mar* xist Party and they have taken it I would like Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu if he gets another oppor- SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : tunity to explain how and why and when the We are living in an age when arguments about the Marxist Communist Party tTersurer Mr many types of ceilings are going on, land Sen got with him in cash Rs. 4 lakhs and ceiling, urban ceiling and so on. There is ano- Mr. Promod Das Gupta, the Secretary of the ther ceiling, statutory ceiling imposed by law, CPM declined to declare the source of that about which some of us do not bother, money For the elections how could they mus- and that is, the ceiling on election ter transport and so many vehicles tf the CPM expenses These charges and counter char- can prove it m clear arguments I can ges etc are all connected ultimately with the questions of election expenses. I am really ( Interruption0 sorry the way that ray friend Mr. Jyotirmoy Sir, it is a fact that the Marxist Commu- Busu has sought to bring forward his argument nist Party is the poorest party m We st Bengal on the basis of the photostat copy in relation They have no supplies The problem with them to the question of violation of the company is this In West Bengal if they were not getting law Since Mr Jyotumoy Bosu brought m this lunds from big business houses including Birlas, matter the Government has made no state- then why the Marxist Communist Party very ment Today since this Debate is taking place, recently, only seven days before this debate, I hope, Government's explanation will be convened a meeting, a secret meeting, heard later on in the coursc of the debate of prominent leaders of the Commu nist Marxist Party in Mr K. K Rirla's hou»e AN HON MEMBER It should have in Calcutta ? If something has gone against come in the beginning them and if the Marxist Communist Party wants to face the allegation t'lat 1 am telling SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA No statement something wrong, I ant rtady to face my charge has been made I regret this very much Not in correct line and in com ct fashion only has the Goiernment not spoken, bur they refuse to take the country into conhdence, they Lastly, I would like to submit to you another document, a very interesting document refuse to give explanation to charges made against them and this is something which is That is so interesting In 1969 the CPI (M) Party, the poorest Party of India, m politics bound to create more and more suspicion in the minds of the people No statement has and in everything, thev maintained only one been made till this moment On the other receipt book , the collection fund of the party hand, ihe Prime Minister who ts the leader of showed only Rs 8 lakhs in one branch They this House did choose to repudiate these char- have continuously been collecting money from ges, not here but in a public meeting outside. various sources They only mistake they have done is, they did not write at any time the I think Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu is not quite source of the money from which it was coming. Only they said, some good friends, some noble clear about the target that he wants to attack, becouse the way in whicn the motion has been friends The money was given to Promod Das presented is something which I am afraid is Gupta, Mr. K M Btrla and B M Birla houses aie there who were also m a position bound to miss the target to finance the marxist party But unfortunately it so happened that Marxist Communist party’s Prior to 1968, the law of this country per* demand to Goenka was less than the demand mitted companies openly to make donations to of Birla So they had to defend Birla on tbis political parties .. issue I have got this document with me which I can place* before you They got money from SHRI PILOO MODY : And publish Ammchand Pyarelal. (Interruptions) I don’t them. T h e Speaker not having subsequently accorded the necessary permission, the docu- ment was not treated as laid on the Table, If 7 Vialafan of Company Law JYAISTHA lo, 1894 {SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (A/> 278 SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA :...... and show SHRI PILOO MODY : Shri Priya Ranjan that ia their balance-sheets. Since 1968, the Das Munsi did that ju»t now. position is no longer that. The Monopolies Commission which has been quoted in this—I SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA do not know what this is ; it is an explanation (Begusarai) : Let the lion. Member speak for given in Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu’s photostat copy; his own party. I have not checked up the quotation, but I presume that it is correct... SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : My hon. SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandi- fiiend says that I may speak on behalf of my wash): I have checked it up and it is correct. own party. 1 would like to shaie with the House a statement appearing in the Free Press SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I am drawing Journal of Bombay, dated the 11th October, your attention to a very important thing where 1969, made by a pci son who was, as far as 1 the ysay : knew, the leading light of mv hon friend Shri Shyamnandan Mij»hra‘s party—I do not know "People cannot be blamed if they believe where he is now, whcthm he is in retirement or that it is the hope of favours that induccs where. 1 do not know~-Shti S. K. Patil. I such payments and after the election is quote it : over, businessmen try their best to see that the 'investment* made by them brings "The Congress Organisation is put to satisfactory return’. great difficulties following the introduction of the clause in the company law, stopping The motive of these big monopoly houses .. all donations by companies to political parties in the country, according to Shri SHRI PILOO MODY . And small mono- S. K .Paul, MP. Speaking to newsmen in poloy houses-.. Bombay on Friday, Shu Patil said that those who were responsible to rccommend SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA is quite clear. such a clause were the enemies of the Con- Are we to believe that these big businessmen gress. The Congress which was receiving and monopoly houses who were openly giving sumptuous funds... donations to certain political parties prior to 1968. because there was nothing illegal about SIUII G VfSWANA TUAN : That was it... about the undivided Congiess. SHRI PILOO MODY : Because it was profitable. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : The report further reads: SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA subsequently after 1968 have found no means of circumven- “ ...from various companies during the ting the law I do not have such a poor elections all this time has been now greatly opinion either of Mr. Birla or of Mr. R. P. inconvenienced as a result of this clause in Goenka as astute businessmen... the company law and thus it had affected its various social, oigamsational and poli- SHRI PILOO MODY : Or of any Mini- tical activities among the masses, he poin- stec. ted out. lie said that his personal suggestion at the time when the existing clause was SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : . as to think mooted was at the most an amendment to that they are not able to circumvent the law ; the oompany law so that it would enable moneys are still paid but paid under the coun- individuals controlling the companies to ter so that they do not come within the mis- contribute fundi to the political parties, chief Of the company law. if not companies as a whole. If we proceed on this basis, I do not know “Such practices are in vogue in America”— which party among the parties which are now Mr Mody's dream land —“and he would have making this allegation can stand up and dec- welcomed such a system wholly,” he added. lare that it bas a dean record-.. ( Interruptions). 279 Violation o f Company Law MAY 31* 1972 by a Calcutta Firm ( t f ) 280 SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA ' SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA* Similaily, Clandestine donations are a thousand times on the 24th November, 1*70, Mr. Raghunatha more heinous. Reddy gave some figures regarding donations by the Cement Allocation and Coordinating SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA • My argu- Organisation, that is, the consortium of ment is, by making an allegation on the cement companies There, we find that the footing of a technical violation of the company undivided Congress got Rs 10 06 lakhs, law you are trying to hide the clandestine Swatantra party, Rs 14 64 lakhs ; Jan Sangh, things which are going on still in this country Rs 5 12 lakhs And then there were the Clandestine donations cannot come within Jana Congress, National Conference, etc I do the mischief of the company law easily. Clan- not go into them destine dealings are going on, I am quite sure of it, and you know it very well {Interrupt Then, in the Lok Sabha on the 25th tune, lions ) 1971, again figures were given about the donations or monies distributed through the MR SPEAKER Do not interrupt please Cement Allocation and Co-ordinating Orga- nisation There are some very interesting SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA Mr S K things Jan Sangh, Delhi, got Rs 7,000, Patil, when he was a member of the undivided Jan Sangh, via Nana Deshmukh, Congress, expounded his philosophy very Rs 1,25,000, via Jagdish Mathur, Rs 1,25,000, clearly Am I to take it that after the Congress Swatantra party via G D Somam, Rs 15,000, was divided, and Mr Paul became a pillar of C Rajagopalachan, Rs 15 000, R N Singh Mr Mishra’s party, he has changed his philo- Deo Rs 2 lakhs , Mulchand Deshlebra, sophy ? Rs 1,55,000 Congress, via G D Somani Rs 45,000, and so on I would just remind you that on no less than four or five occasions, cither in the Lok Sabha or in the Rajya Sabha, the Government Then, again, in the Rajya Sabba on the has officially, m reply to questions, given figu- 17th November, 1969, figures for donations res of donations made before 1968 These do- during 1967-68, that is the last year prior to nations are identifiable from the balance sheets the change in the law, were given Here, it of the companies to various parties What do is more interesting Birlas gave Rs 16 45 we find in them I I may just mention one or lakhs to the Congress , Rs 21,555 to the Jan two of them On the 24th November, 1969, Sangh , ( Interruptions) Rs 10 to the CPI Mr F A Alimed, the then Minister of Indus- trial Development, gave figures relating to the SHRI PILOO MODY How did you period March, 1962 to November. 1968 He extract it ? Did you go begging outside to showed that during that period, out of a total his house ? of Rs 3 40 crores paid by companies as dona- tions to political parties, the Congress had got Rs 2 73 crores , fhr Swatantra, Rs 55 93 SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA Tata? gave lakhs , the Jan Snngh Rs 2 25 lakhs and so Rs 5 40 lakss to the Congress, Rs 2 50 lakhs on There are other smaller donations. Even to the Swatantra Party Ktrloskars gave my party is there Rs 1 20 lakhs to the Congress, Rs 3 75 lakhs to the Swatantra Party There is some AN HON MEMBER What a surprise ? Goenka mentioned , I do not know whether it is R. P Goenka or some other Goenka ; it is only Rs 25,000 {Interruptions) It is not SHRI PILOO MODY It must be irrelevant at ail These are gentlemen whom Rs 11,500 the Monopoly Commission has referred to as SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA I will tell people who play with the hope that if there you> it was Rs 10 We also know what was investment in this stage, after the elec- kind of companies they must be, paying tions were over they would try their best that Rs. 10 ? My own “ New Age” printing press, the investments made by them brings satisfac- a registered company, can also pay Rs. 10. tory returns. SHRI PILOO MODY I doubt whether SHRI PILOO MODY : That can only be it gave you any donation done with the Congress. 281 Violation o f Company Law JYAISTHA 10,1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (M ) 282 ' SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : So long as people accept these donations. Before 1969 they could do it within the four corners of the the CPM in West Bengal was not a profitable law, they wen doing it. Now they must be investment for a businessman. But after 1969 ris ing it by other means. This photostat copy oertain busiftcssmen. maybe Birlas or any- produced bv Mr. Bosu... body else, certainly think so. Similarly, the Congress, In all these 20 years, we find MR. SPEAKER : I did not get the third that they had been doing it. Mrs. Gandhi has admitted in a public meeting in Calcutta ; one. it was Referred to as such : we take money, what is wrong with it 7 Only she said, the SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : This is the the CPM also tak es...... (Interruptions). photostat as it stands here, as supplied to us. Shri R. P. Goenka is wealthy enough I do not know if there is any other photostat to pay not from his company funds but from going around. In my view it cannot at all other sourccs. You arc insisting that it is a establish the case that there has been a viola* clear violation of the Company Law. I am tion of the company law. What it can prove afraid you won’t be able to prove that. Mr. as a piece of circumstantial evidence, what it Goenka is a much cleverer man than you. points to is that Mr. R. P Goenka is obvious* ly a person who is very friendly with the The point is, rich people in the country Congress Party. How this order has been who have got money, have they stopped giving placed—if that is genuine— in his name and donation to political parties, particularly those why letters are addressed by Saraswati Press people who were giving company donations to R. P. Goenka—this explanation, if there is prior to 1968. Why should they stop 7 There any, has to be given by the Congress Party is no logic in it The Law is quite easy to We have not heard any explanation so far evade. This is linked with the question I either from the Congress Parly or from the began with. 1 do not want to take up much Government. We have heard that they have time. The ceiling which has been imposed, paid the bill, not Mr. Goenka but the 1 find on election expenses, is being observed Congress Party. b> a crossed cheque. I more in violation than in conformity. It is a dare say that when they make a statement, fact that money is being spent like water in they can produce the crossed cheque also. I the elections. Who does not know it 7 It is presume that we can see the bills of the not hidden from anybody. Where docs this Saraswati Press, So it does not establish on money come from 7 It is certainly very easy any account that there has been a violation to evade the law and produce some fictitious of the company law and I do not believe that election expenditure statement. (Interrup- Mr. Goenka is such a simpleton that he will tions). Unfortunately, my party is not a allow something to be done which can be profitable investment for the people who could within the mischief of the company law. I give money, to us. know Mr. Goenka to be quite an astute tycoon in this respect. All that can be esta* blisbed here -for that no photostat copy was Now, the trouble is, here there is a demand necessary, excuse my saying so—is that rich being made for some sort of commission of people, businessmen, monopolists and pro- enquiry. I must make it quite clear that the prietors of big firms, many of them are demand for a Parliamentary Committee is the friendly with the Congress Party or with surest way of protecting Mr. Goenka. We individuals in the Congress Party or the should think about it. (Interruptions). Swatantra Party ; subsequent to 1969 at least Those members who are demanding this are in West Bengal there is plenty of suspicion—I perhaps only helping to assure Mr. Goenka, cannot produce photostat—that many of them are -very friendly with the CPM. Am I to Now, in a paper called “States”, a weekly take it that until a photostat is produced by paper or fortnightly - it appears in the issue somebody or the other, there is no basis for of 3rd April 1971, they had posed certain suspicion...Hon M e m b er; No basis) question* regarding election expenses to I am sorry because that Is the philosophy of Members of various parties—MPs—to get their a businessman, when be finds that there is replies to the same. One question was : a chance of making a profitable investment in a party which might later bring him returns, “Since the almost universal breach of be is liable to try that game and certain cei'ing on expenses has been an open 583 Violation o f Company Law MAY 31, \ m by a Calcutta Firm (M) 284 [Shri Indrant Gupta) fictitious by people who take money from big businessmen under the counter and this should scandal beginning from the first General be stopped It is no use saying that it can Election, would you favour a review of the be done by making the law further stringen law on the subject by a highpower Com* because any law seems to be evaded in this mission ?” country It can be done only by rousing tthe moral and social conscience of the public in To this the reply given and published m that this country Let us at least take a pledge in issue by no le»s a person than Mr A K this Parliament that we will not allow this Gopalan is as follows , It has been said here that we begin our parha mentary career by violating the law relating to "We have no faith in solving problenas by election expenses It is not a good beginning submitting them to Commissions It for a political career Let us get together and seems to be an occupational disease with use this opportunity provided by Mr Bosu our Congress bureaucratic system " through this motion to make a resolve that m future we will not encourage these tycoons and So, Mr A K Gopalan docs not believe in monopoly houses and the foreign interests also commissions He made it quite clear But to invest money as they have been doing in this Santhanan Committee on prevention of the past, for the sake of getting favoun in corruption had nude it quite clear that the return. manner in which funds are raised by political parties, especially at times of elections consti- tuted a major source of corruption in our The target in this should be made clear, national life They stressed the need for un- whether it is the company law or it is the remitting vjgi'ance question of taking money from rich people One is going o i all the time The other one, The Company Law Administration whose I do not think can be established in this parti- representative or spokesman is heie, have cular case not said anything before us I do not know what he is going to say at the fag end I s h r i K P UNN1KRISHNAN (Bada want to know this When this matter was gara) Sir, looking from the perspective of first brought up has the Company Law healthy development of parliamentary mstitu Administration done anything about it 1 tions and parliamentary framework, an unfor Have thry carried out any probe ? They have tunate precedent has been laid today These said nothing Wc also know nothing It is are not the kind of debates which can generate the responsibility ol the Company Law popular hope and solve our complex problems Administration to probe into the relevant I am sorry this House for the last two weeks books and papers of this Duncan Bros, which or so has been held to ransom by a war of is mentioned here as the company concerned innuendos, tit bits half* ruths and soon which and others with which Mr R P Goenka is have been let loose on us Instead of ponder- connected and to find out if there is any basis ing over and discussing the basic problems of for the suspicion They havr not told u& our day, we are wasting our time «n triviali- anything Because of this, we are handi- ties I must say I am not surprised at the capped We have yet to hear from the menagerie that is assembled os the other side Minister, unless he intervenes earlier m the and has come up with this story of the posters debate As far as that goes, the Company There is the vanguard party of the protetana’ Law Administration has still to answer to the of comrade Jyotirmoy Bosu , there is the partt country of acknowledged right reaction of My Piloo Mody, and there is the party r Since we want to build socialism in the native Swadeshi reaction of Shri Atal Biharof country and ‘hatao Garibi* all of us have to Vajpayee and there ts also the party of myi try collectively together to see that these rich friend, Shri Shyamnandan Mishra and you monied people, the big business monopolist, know what he is. This is the kind of mena- who are out for their own gam to invest money gerie that has let loose this war of innuendoes, and la return to get patronage and favours half truths and the miserable baK-truths and are not encouraged to go on like this. The tit-bits on us in Attempt to mislead the House law which has been passed ts being rendered and the country 285 Violation o f Company Law JYAISTHA 10,1894(5/1^) by a Calcutta Firm (Af) 286 But I want to tell them one thing that who is trying to mislead the House deUbera* this House cannot be misled nor the country tcly and consciously, to ccmc up and tell us could be misled because only in the recent past where is the collusion proved, where is the the pqople of this country have demonstrated violation of the company law proved and what their faith in the leadership of our Prime is the political morality involved in this. About Minister and our party. We shall not allow the political morality of his own party, 1 shall this kind of jugglery and histrionics to have have to say much later on. precedence over facts. The facts as I know them, the facts as they are on record, must be I would beg and appeal to the House to stated, I hope somebody shall do so officially consider earnestly what is all this ballyhoo on behalf of the All India Congress Committee. about ? Is it political morality with which There are some clear points which emerge as he is concerned ? If that is so, I know there I look at the facts. I understand that on 7th are bigger sinners on the other side. Is it February of this year, the AICC did place an about monopolies that they are concerned ? order on Saraswati Press for 8 lakhs of posters. Are they concerned with the growth of mono* Subsequently, we did place orders with polies ? It was not his party, “the vanguard Saraswathi Press for priuting 13 lakhs or 14 of the proletariat,” which brought up the lakhs more posters. On the 14th March 1972 MRTP Act It is not, what I would call, the AICC by a crossed cheque on the Allaha- “ the hoodlum Left,” the Marxist Party, which bad Bank did pay them Rs. 1,95,000 for took the great time-bound actions and steps printing, striking charges as they technically to regulate the growth of monopolies ; it was call it, exclusive of the cost of paper which the my Prime Minister, my leadership, my party AICC had arranged. These are crystal clear and also many of us who struggled for it. facts. Take again the case of Gjenkas If I remem- ber right, it is I who raised it during the debate I did also make an enquiry about the for demand in 1971 ; it was not Shri Jyotirmoy mention of R. P. Goenka's name. I under Bosu I deny him the right to do so. It was stand a junior official of the AICC had gone not any one else from the other parties, but it to Calcutta to place the order ; as my friend was myself and Shri Sitpal Kapoor, Vayalar ftom the AICC would subsequently explain, it Ravi and other friends from this side who was by sheer accident or coincidence that this raised the issue and now, I am told, a CBI name appears on the order book. enquiry is going on So, what is it that they are trying to say 7 SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MJSHRA : Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu should know that his How ? is a two-State party, now decimated to a party which has a hold in a few constituencies in SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : It will two States, m a few districts and in a few be explained. If other local references are tehsils. Here it is that party which claims available, this would not havr been necessary. the right to lead the Indian revolution on If Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu has enough financial behalf of the toiling masses of India. I charge solvency and credibility, and if he can stand specifically and with a sense of responsibility gurantee for our posters next time, we shall Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu’s party with collusion consider making Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu our with monopolies, including Birlas, the biggest guarantor for our posters. of the Birlas, indulging in rank corruption and also defending the coirupt. I shall prove every word of it. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : So, Goenka was your guarantor. Now it has been Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu has a distinguished proved. colleague, his namesake probably with a slight difference, in West Bengal, who was a SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : Where responsible Minister in their Government, who is the violation or the company law provisions was presented with a car by a monopoly in this aad where is the political morality in* house, the House of Poddars, and this busi- volyed in this transaction ? And also, where ness house has been in collusion with the is the collusion with the monopolists proved ? Marxist Party. There is internecine rivalry I would like to challenge Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu, among the Marwari circles in Calcutta, and 287 Violation o f Company Law MAY 31,1972 by a Calcutta Firm (M) 288 fShri K. P. Unntlcrishnan] why you were thrown out by the people of it is th » that they have been trying to utilize Kerala. for their own ends, for their own profit motive, for making collections, for collecting hush Sir, I will not go into tbe details of many money and indulging in rank political corrup- other acts of omission and corruption. But I tion, which this country has not seen in any shall only prove my charge with just an State or in any other political party. example. There was a question of Mr. Wellington who was a Minister in the E.M S As my hon. friend. Shri Iodrajit Gupta Ministry, the United Front Ministry in and, before that, my young friend, Shri Priya Kerala... Ranjan Das Munsi, pointed out, in 1969 elec- tions, they collected tonnes of money from MR. SPEAKER : It is enough you have Amin Chand Pyarelal, from Birlas, even Jains made counter-charges. But so far as the and also from some big business houses, like, Motion is concerned, I am still waiting. Will C. Roman Co—Shri A.K. Gopalan per- you now come to the Motion ? sonally went and took the money from them — and from Laxmichand Bagaichi, a group of SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : I am firms in Bombay. coming to the point. I must explain the background. You allowed him to say all Now, in my State. I have my own examples kinds of things, against my party, against the to give. A few months ago, we enacted the Prime Minister and all that. Forest Nationalisation law in Kerala. Who opposed it ? Not the Congress, not theC .P.I., MR. SPEAKER : I also a Uowed you not any other revolutionary party. But the some time to refute all that, but not all the great party, "the vanguard of the proletariat,” time. of Mr, Jyotirmoy Bosu Why ? We have a staple fibre division of Birlas Gwalior Rayons SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN ; Now. in Mavoor near Calicut. Its General Manager it was over the question of specific charges of and Vice President, Mr. Sabu and Mr. D. P. corruption against the Minister, Mr. Well ing- Mandclia were every day confabulating in the ton, that an inquiry was demanded by others hotels or Cochtn and Calicut. Out came a constituents in the United Front Ministry. statement from Shri K Chathunni. M.L.A., Sbri E M.S. Namboodripad refused to hold the leader of the Karshak Sangh. Has Shri an inquiry and it was on this that the E.M.S. K. Chathunui got anything to do with the Ministry which had such a fantastic majority, Marxist Communist Party ? He is a leader unknown in the legislative history o f India,— and responsible M.L.A. He made a statement that broke and, subsequently, when a judicial criticising the Nationalisation. I challenge inquiry was ordered truth came out. Here is him to disprove this fact. A political question, the proof of that, the findings by a retired a matter of fundamentals, a matter of axioma- High Court Judge, Mr. Govinda Menon, of tic importance, is involved in this. This is Kerala -I quote : what the Marxist Communist Party has done. It comes to the rescue not of the toiling masses, not in defence of the principles, but “The charge has been proved and I hold in defence of the interest of Birlas. I say it him guilty of corruption in the rotten and I would repeat it. putrid act of conduct...” There was again the question of financing —meaning the term as Azhim ati in Malaya* of their party daily in Kerala called "Desh lam. It is against this that some of the revo- Abhimani,** and after 3 or 4 months, after lutionaries and founders of the Marxist they came to power in 1967, esh Abhimani Communist movement in Kerala had revolted came up with an edition In Cochin, with the and bad said that this leadership, this party, Rotary press and all the other paraphernalia, is an collusion with the monopolists, that it Is building, and everything. We rvould like to in collusion with the contractors, that it is in know from where the party got the funds to collusion with the most filthy elements of start a separate edition. It was also collected society. Mr. K.P.R. Gopalan whose place in from contractors, from chit fund promoters and the communist movement Mr. Jyottrmoy Bosu frorr? riee njlllers, And for a price! That i# wjU not refute, Mr. N‘ c , Shek^r, 289 Violation e f Company Law JYAISTHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm(M) 290 leaders of the communist movement, came out Bosu’s vitriolic attacks and the supporting of this party mainly because of all this. roles of Mr. Mody and Mr Mishra. I am sure that the whole hypocritical and hysterionic 16.45 hr*. show put up by him will be exposed in this [M r Deputy-Speaker in the Chair.] House itself by the concrete replies of the spokesmen of my Party and of the Minister. I am sure, people will not be misled again. I We shall not allow them to hide facts just am sure, Mr. Bosu’s Party will remain a foot- by distributing these leaflets or raising such note in Indian history whereas my Party and innuendos in this House. And now I charge my leadership will carve out a permanent place your Party with taking a political line from the in Indian history. gutter press. That is why, Mr. Bosu finds himself in this unenviable position as he is SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandiwash): today. There is an example which I will Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, a charge was made quote. Recently a charge was made against in this House by Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu that 8 my friend, the Home Minister of Kerala, Mr. lakhs multi-coloured posters were printed for K. Karunakaran. by a gutter paper, a filthy the Congress Party by Mr. R. P. Goenka, paper, which no decent person will touch, called Managing Director of Duncan Bros. Ltd. This “Nawab." Another paper, 'Thani Niram,*' was a serious allegation made by a responsible tepeated it. On the third day, Desk abimani, Member while speaking on the Finance Bill. the official organ of CPM, comes out with the Mr. Chavan, Minister of Finance, was present same story. On the fourth day, the Nawab at that time and the first reply or reaction of editor was arrested, and on the fifth day, Mr. the Government was from Mr. Chavan. His E.M.S. comes out asking for civil liberty and reply was, it may be fabricated. That is what defending the Nawab editor. Is your political he said. I think you were in the Chair at that line being dccided by these people or is it deci- time It is unfortunate that when that allegation ded by your Central Committee ? This is what was made in the Lok Sabha, a responsible is going on. It is not an accident, because House, an august House, she chose a platform that Party has ccased to be the party of work- in Calcutta to answer these allegations. Accord- ing class, has ceased to be the party of toiling ing to the STATESMAN, the Prime Minister masses or struggling workers and peasants; referred to allegations made by some Parties that party. I would repeat, has bccomc a tlut the Congress had taken money from the party of the ‘Hoodlum Left.’ industrialists for winning the elections. She said that it has been alleged that the Congress SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Do you poster cairying the portrait of herself had been allow him, Sir. to malign a Party like this ? printed by a well-known monopolist in a press Anyway, go ahead. (Interruption) in Calcutta but she said that the documents produced in this connection were false and SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : Mr. that the photostats contained no real evidence, Bosu has no right to speak for toiJmg masses “Her picture was super-imposed and the letter becausc bis party is no longer a representative allegedly writtten by the press to the monopo- party of that character ; it is not a Party list did not contain any signature.** But with which has any affiliation with international regard to the CPM chargc that the Congress socialist movement ; it is not a party which took money from the monopolists, she said “I has any kind of association with the left. Why know they also got money from business do you laugh ? (Interruption) Probably houses at the time of elections.” North Korea from whom you, probably, take According to the Hindustan Standard, "Mrs. money. Indira Gandhi emphatically pointed out that the charge was totally baseless and was made MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : 1 only want by the CPM to serve its purpose.” to draw your attention to the fact that a large number of your party members would like to Here is a charge that it was printed by speak. The hon. Member may please conclude. Shri Goenka, a leading industrialist and a monopolist for the Congress Party and that SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : I am the Prime Minister says that it is absolutely just concluding. false, it is superimposed and designed by the CPI (M). Here is the poster which I got trans- This House cannot be misled by Mr, lated from Bengali into English, It is this, 291 Violation o f Company Law MAY 31,1972 by a Calcutta Firm {H ) 292 [Shri G. Viswanathan] “We are bound to mention in this connec- “ She has kept her word. (J) Independence tion that the considerable assistance that to Bangla Desh, (2) Return of refugees some of the leading industrialists in the and (3) Release of Mujibur Rehman.” country had given to the ruling party from time to time has furnished ammuni- tion for the attack These are the achievements of the Congress. Then it says: ‘T hat big business is hand in glove with “ Help her to remove poverty...’* the party in power. The fact that such assistance has been liberally given at the That is ‘Garibi Hatao\ Finally : time of the last general elections has been admitted by the Government in a state* "Vote for Congress” ment in Parliament.” This poster was supposed to have been It has been accepted by the Government that printed by Mr. R. P. Goenka. Now it is for donations to poli ical parties has been going the Congress and particularly for the Prime on. 1 wan! to know one thing from the bon. Minister to refute these charges on the floor Minister. We have provided under Art. 293 of the House. This allegation was made when (a) of the Companies Act that if some firm the Finance Bill was being discussed and you contributes to political parties or individuals were also present at that time. This question for political purposes they may be fined upto of poster does not end here, it involves many Rs. 5,000 or imprisonment for 3 years. I want important issues. Has there been any violation to know from the Minister, since 1968*69, in of the Company Law ? How these companies bow many cases they were fined or prosecutions contribute to very liberally to political Parties ? launched and how many have been punished Whether they give to some of the political for violation of the rules. Shri R. P. Goenka Parties or all and whether it is black money has contributed to the ruling party. I make or white money and how that black money is this charge that he has contributed. After generated and proliferated and ultimately how hearing my friend Mr. Unnikrishnan, from the monopoly houses have a hold on the the ruling party, I think it is a partial admis- Government. sion that Mr Goenka has contributed it. That is what I derive from his speech, He said it. Already, as has been pointed out by Mr. If I am not correct, they can correct me later Raghunatha Reddy in his reply in the Rajya on. This R. P. Goenka does not come under Sabha, from March 1962 to November 1968 75 monopoly houses. But according to the out of the total contributions made by big Licensing Policy Enquiry Committee he comes business houses and other industrial firms to under 20 large industrial houses. He is a very Polirical parties, the total is Rs. 3,40,00,000 influential man. This R. P. Goenka, whenever and out of this, the Congress Party—1 think coming to Delhi, stays with a very senior It was undivided and divided both to gether Cabinet Minister whom I don't want to got Rs. 2.73,00,000 which is slightly above 80% name. He stays there. He has got so much of the total contribution ... (Interruptions) pull with this Government. In the Fourth This is your Minister’s reply and not mine. Lok Sabha. SHRI S. M. Banerjee made a That is why the Congress Party is shy of charge in this House that about 50 Congress getting into this discussion or taking action MPs were in the pay roll of the Birlas. He against these companies. These political con- mentioned names of two of the Ministers who tributions by the big monopoly houses and were sitting in the Treasury Benches. One has industrialists constitute a grave danger to the been promoted as governor. The other is political life of our country. It saps at the waiting in the queue to be promoted as Cabinet very root of the democratic set up. Not only Minister. At that time they had a slender that, it exposes people in nublic life to temp- majority, With this increased majority I tations and such contributions are morally don’t know howraanyof them are in the pay reprehensible and constitute a source of evil. roll of Birlas. Not only that. After the 1967 Ultimately, when they contribute, they expect election when Mrs. Indira Gandhi finalised the something. That is why the Monoply Enquiry Ministry, at Hie time ofgivingtbe Kst to the Commission went into this aspect of the President, after getting that typed list, pressure question ind it says : was brought upon her. She was pressurised to 293 Violation 0/ Company Law JYA1STHA 10, 1894 (S<4&4) by a Calcutta Firm(M) 294 include a certain Minister and finally she had the attention of tbe House to the fact that to write with her own hand the name of the the time fixed, namefy 3 hours, has no mom Minister in the typed list and it was an addi- meaning now. Even so, I think hon. tion and this will ahow how they are pressuris- Members would agree that some kind of limit ing even the Prime Minister of this country. has <0 be kept...... Not only that. There are so many instances how these monopoly houses are controlling. SHRI S. A. SHAM1M : Some ceiling. Take for example the small car project. It is pending for so long. Mr. Salve will agree with MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I would me. He has also been talking on the same suggest that if each speaker could take point. It is pending for more than a decade, 15 minutes, I think 15 minutes would be a more than 12 years or 13 years. Why is it good enough time in which they can make pending ? Because, a big car manufacturer who their points, it would help us to reach the end holds the Government to ransom, who can of the list...... dictate terms to this Government, docs not want any other car to run in the roads of this THE MINISTER 01* STATE (DEFENCE country. So, when they talk about small car, PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF it is only the figment of imagination. Not only DEFENCE (SHRI V1DYA CHARAN that. Very recently one of the big monopolists SHUKLA): lam not surpihcd that after wanted to contest for Rajys before Communist Party (Marxist) has stooped down the election he was adopted as official congicss to such tactics and is attacking the party candidate from U,P. Even after the split of leaders in a personal way. 1 want to remind the congress, even after the so-called reaction- my hon friend Shii Shyaronamlan Mishra of aries have been sent out, the so called socialist all those people in the Foutth Lok Sabha and progressive Government is giving licences whose fond lactics and whose tnoUm ope- to the monopolists. I want to prove this randt here was to fmd out, right or wrong, charge. In 1971, out of 159 licenccs totally all kinds of filthy unpailiamcntary and given, 114 have been given to all these mono- untrue...... poly houses out of these 75 houses. Not only that even in 1971, during the same financial SOMH HON. MEMBERS ; What was year, and before 12th April, 1972, out of 18 unpatliamenuiy about it ? applications for expansion of bigger units, the task force of the Industrial Development SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA: Ministry has disposed of 13 applications from I would request my hon. friend to recall larger industrial houses and foreign majority what happened in the Fourth Lok Sabha..... firms to increase their output by 200 to 300 per cent. This is the hold of the monopolists SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: I on tbe Government, and hence they go on never did that. If I did, my hon. friend contributing to the ruling party. would have been the first target. I have missed him. 1 had not done that. So, let 17 fan. my hon. friend not go like that, Now, the charge has been made. The Prime Minister says that it is a baseless SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA: charge and it is a baseless allegation. Here is I am quite sure all of us who have good a chance to the ruling party and the Govern- foundations in political life do not ever go on ment to unmask the CPIM charge. They to personal attacks..... have to accept this. This is a golden oppor- tunity which is given by tbe House to repudiate AN HON. MEMBER : This is all the tbe charge made by Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu. and money of the big business. go out of it. They have to accept the challenge and accept a thorough inquiry into this affair, SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA: and let us come to a conclusion about which We never do any kind of character-assassi- la true and which false. nation. We have never believed in that, and all through, either in parliament or outside MR. DBPUTY-SPEAKER : Before I we have never attacked any political opponent, <*H the next speaker, I would like to draw by name or personally. We do believe in 295 Violation o f Company Law MAY 31, 1972 by a Calcutta firm tAf) 296 {Shri Vidya Charan Shukla] SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHU'ILA : I social, political and economic debates, and we was only objecting to the character assassi- nation inside tbc House and personal attacks do so in the House and outside. on the leaders of political parties. I may I only wanted to remind this House and give only one instance; I may remind the the Leaders of the Opposition of what leaders of the Opposition of the fate which happened in Maniram, when they all ganged came to them when they resorted to such up together to attack the Prime Minister tactics in Maniram, and later on in the mid- personally and see how the whole thing took term poll, when they all ganged tip to attack shape after that. What happened in UP the Prime Minister personally before the after the Maniram bye-election results were people of the country, and when they gave the declared and after that, the mid-term polls slogan. Indira Hatao, and said all kinds of unfair, dirty and filthy things about the leader came in the country ? of the nation. I do not want to recall them ; they are well known to the people and they SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : know what kind of speeches were made by the They pumped in tonnes of money. That was senior leaders of the Opposition, and what what happened in Maniram. came out after the election. The verdict of the Indian people was very clear. (Inter- SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA: I ruptions) am coming to that. SHRI NARSINGH NARAIN PANDEY fq r f e w 1 1 (Gorakhpur): It is all wrong. It is rubbish. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Order SHRI P. K. DEO : They were exploiting please. the poverty and ignorance of the people. SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : 1 have not SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA: violated any rule. May I be allowed to speak in the House ? I cannot help it, if my hon. friends oppovsite MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Listen to cannot hear the truth. If they cannot, they me please. Mr. Shamim, I am not saying should momentarily retire from the House or anything. I am only appealing to you and close their ears. For, I am going to state other Members in this House to kindly co what appears to me to be the truthful account operate. I am appealing to everybody to of these people who have been specialising make the debate more meaningful and more in only character-assassination. I was effective, and if possible, by not drawing too referring to Maniram election and after that, much attention to oneself. If you kindly the mid-term election, the mid-term poll, a co-operate and put that paper down, I think historic event in the country. (Interruption) the debate could become more meaningful. SHRI B. N. REDDY (Niryalguda) : He SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : All right, Sir. is unable to counter our allegations and he is escaping from it. (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I think you are also one of the speakers whose names are MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Order, please. with me. I am sure you are waiting for that The Minister is not replying. He is intervening. chance. I think the charge cannot be levelled against anybody. It has no more meaning; the SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : I confines of the debate also have no more was referring to the results of the mid-term meaning. It has become a free for all. So, poll of the Lok Sabha which was held a year I do not think anybody can object sow. I back and in that, the leaders of the Opposition would like to draw the attention of the hon. knew how mature the Indian people were. Members that the Minister is not replying as It is no use abusing the Indian people, as such ; he is only intervening in the debate as Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu did, when be was «&e of the speakers. initiating the debate. He wtid that 70 per 297 Violatwn o f Company Law JYAISTHA10,1894 {SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm {M) 298 cent of the illiterate people of India have if the reply of the Government does not satisfy been tempted by various tempting slogans of you, you are at liberty to go to a court I should the ruling party It is, I think, a very sad like to challenge Mr J)otirmoy Bosu lu him feature of our democracy that we have oppo- go before any competent law court with ail the sition parties and opposition leaders who do material that be say* he ha* got 11 they do not understand the Indian people Having not do so, we shall come to the inevitable been rejected by the people in the elections conclusion that they are not interested in and m the mid-term poll and in the last knowing the truth, they are not inter sted m general election, they come up here again and the violation of the Ccmpantcs Act by an try to adopt the same tactics which ha\c paid individual, they are not interested m upholping them no dividends of any kind and they have the provisions oi the Companies Act Nothing been completely and fully repudiated by the prevents him Irom going to a court ot law It people And here they come up and say you do not do so, the reason would be that that a particular industrial house has violated you have no prooi, the conclusion will be that the Indian Companies Act Now, anybody you arc interested in making political capita) with any modicum of common sense knows out ot nothing You are misusing this loium that it there Is any violation of the Companies for making political gams I want to warn Act or any law the Government will do its him that the Indian people cannot be tooled duty There is no doubt about it And lie said that seventy per cent ot the peopL are Shri Raghunatha Reddy, my colleague, will illiterate He was vciy much mistaken I he indicate what the Government has done and results of elections in West Bengal have shown proposes to do in this matter Assuming that he is very much mistaken about his for argument’s sake that the Government does opinion of the Indian people (Inluruptions) not do anything what prevents Mr Bosu or He should foiget such tactics, hitting boJow Mr Vajpayee or Mr Shyamnandan Mishra the belt and saying things wlwch cannot be or any other Member oi citizen of the countiy proved in a judicial forum This is not a to go before a court of law ? This is a cog* judicial lorum I his is a political torum the nizable offence under section 293(A) of the surptcme Parliament of India , it is a public Companies Act The allegation in the motion forum Here questions of law arc not decided is, not that the Government has done any like this whethei somebody has been guilty ol thing wrong, not that the Prime Minister has violation oi law or not I his is the crux of done something wrong, not that the Congress the matter 11 he does not lollow it up in a Party or any other Member ha' done anything regular legal way in a court of law, the ines- wrong, it is against the Managing Director of capable cone usion in our minds and in the Duncan Brothers who, according to the minds of the people would be that he was only allegation made, has violated the Companies trying to make political capital out of this and Act If so, what prevents the leaders of the he had no substance. opposition who are very vocal from going before a court of Jaw (Interruptionr) Whatever is expected of the Government, what Nowadays there is a tendency on the is its duty, it will discharge that If they do part of the opposition parties to use this forum not feel satisfied with the reply of the hon of Parliament (or a particular purpose Nagar* Minister, if they do not want to treat the wala debate yesterday and this debate today matter as closed I should expect them to go clearly indicate that they arc not interested m to a court of law, file a complaint against the debating the serious social, economic und poli- managing director of Duncan Bros and get a tical policies of the Government which are the verdict with their so-called irrefutable subjects which should be rightly debated here evidence Let Mr Bosu produce all that This forum should not be allowed to be misused before a court of law, and get a sentence in this manner I hope this will be the last pasted against R P Goenka for violation of of such debates to attempt to denigrate political company law. personalities in this manner SHRI P K DEO You should appoint a commission of enquiry under the Commission of Enquiries Act. SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA It is an alttfed violation of the company law sad 299 Violation o f Company Law MAY 31, 1972 by a Calcutta Firm $f ^*Tf ^ r r |f f t *ft ifhN»r «rn?8t w*ff apt % f t *rc*rc v r t o swger 5f% ? % #«rcf % mj ft % feq sfr *Fpfta w m s r t «rr 7$ 5ro arr^o #o ft qv ^rsr snft^rr | , *5 farteft v r qwr sre^pr «rc n'^rr «n i snr^®^arm # n m x | | i w?tt f a> tf arrft?Rr «w t | ^ W T T ^ 3TT 1 1 w r g m s w $ t, ^ ^nrer *tpt *b5V | f t *pr&?r Photostat contained no real evidence. ipp ^T?r aftr I *ft*PWT WT*% «T5*r snft^JTT * i «p| t 3irar | ft lit afft Vta h t * rrf^ ? «r^t Sjf¥8T<«r I I ?RVTT ^ t ij t «nr f t % vnfar frt^sfarV grartar *Pt ^ ^ *V 11 fttft *np ^ f t jt© ^ an ^ , ^rftff ^ p m ^ «rf m v «Rft «PT ^PT | ft “Her (ww*w) ^ w> crar jarr m, 5Kt wmvrtr picture was superimposed, and the letter f t 3f^% IT arWT TOT SfT ft«n allegedly written by the press to a monopolist WT^»n aft?: srrsrT i t f t w a r r ^ i contained no signature ” ftJt^*nr«FT *r?ta*r f t ^ r m v r w w r I f t m i i *$. I t t *r? «nT % i vtsRflr 11 srarpr *r*t * *ps*ttt *r *f$t v r f f «ftrr srrfaT # *mr $ an*r anr *nr? | f t w m Sir % i v ti w «n€fr % sw **tarc vtf *r w r ^ a r r m feorr m » ^er w t % fW* % ft*? *tf *N>* an $ t |W(«r? (tuftfif) 301 Violation o f Company law JYA1STHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm(M) 302 Itft snw rft t fa ^ % $ TOtft | w r *psr i m 3 5 w t i t»r graforefa % v$ v z t o t i | *ft feft|55T«rr w i l t # *n£ta*fim s m fR | ftr vr^sr vr « r w w$f %*tt aiwqrfflr ?rr T rspftfar 59ft *Pt w n ^ aftr «rr «rrw w m fc ft : % srr* srwTfr »npt^T, arnr dHT>T q?t sre>Tf x | 3* a n fp r tsstvwer wr * m q s % m * fr?r ?y*Tr 7 ^ I I W&x amTsft SPT J i m m m t f a % «ft cracy, if leaders of responsible political parties DR. HENRY AUSTIN : We ordered set a better code of conduct. 21,25 lakh posters. The paper was provided by us. These posters were fully paid for by 1 do not want to make a lengthy speech. means of crossed chequcs. Sir, as the hon Members may know, I am the General Secretary of the Indian National SHRI P. K. DEO : Have you got a paper Congress and It is my duty to place before this factory ? august House certain facts which would prove beyond any shadow of doubt how we operate, DR. HENRY AUSTIN : In Orissa.... how clean was the transaction that we entered {Interruptions) I am prepared to give the into in the printing of some posters about details also. We bought paper for this from which some hon. Members have made an un- the Titaghur and Bengal Paper Mills for Rs. justifiable allegation. I have contacted the 2,24,236.78?. In the light of this clear-cut responsible officer who heads the publicity proof and in the light of this documentary division of All India Congress Committee and evidence available. I think Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu have been able to gather some facts which I has the right and the duty to relate his obser- would like to place before the hon. Members vations and practices to the factual data which you in the interest of an objective assessment I have presented to the House. Firstly any of the situation. political party will be able to throw mud against another party. In a democracy it is The Congress ordered 21,25,000 posters for the duty of every leader to exercise restraint printing by the Saraswati Press. These pos- and responsibility. Unless we do this, I am ters were delivered to the All India Congress afraid, democracy wilt not be able to function Committee for distribution in the election the way the people of this country want. I campaign. All the paper used for printing the have no doubt in my mind that Mr Jyotirmoy posters was provided by the AICC. The total Bosu, although he might shed crocodile tears cost of paper was Rs. 2,74,000. These posters in the name of democracy, we all know he is as well as 16,80,000 folders which were printed not a democrat. {Interruptions) He believes by the same Press as also Sales Tax and pack- in a system, in a way of life about which my ing charges were paid for by a single crossed young friend, Mr. Munsi. had placed a cata- cheque No J 821975 for Rs 1.95.592.50P on logue before this House. Knowing full-well the Allahabad Bank dated 14 3.72. ... their background, I expected and our Party expected that at least they would have adopted SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : What is the the policy that discretion is the better part of cost of the posters ?...{Interruptions) valour. My friends, I don't want to make a detailed speech. My other frends and colle- SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : He is coming agues have sought to show that the Congress to that. operates as a result of the massive mandate they have obtained from the poople of this SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : On a point country and they uphold high principles and of order, Sit ...{Interruptions) Since I have a these high principles will always be cherished right of reply, it is necessary for me to make and under the leadership of Shnmati Indira copious notes about what be says. I wanted Gandhi who has denied all your allegations to know how many posters were printed and point-blank in your own home city, the Con- how much money was paid for it. gress Party will continue to uphold the high moral principles. As far as the Congress is concerned, whatever may be the mud,Ringing OR. HENRY AUSTIN : On this amount. the opposition may indulge in it is the people Rs. 1,43,850 covers the cost of printing of the of the country who will judge, and we depend posters under Order No. 189/72, The receipt only on the will of the people. issued by the Saraswati Press for this was receipt No. 2071 dated 16.3.72 for Rs. 1.84,449.90 and No, 2074 for Rs. 11.142,60. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA (Begu- The position so far as the Congress is concer- sarai) ; The sleep, somnolent creature, this ned is, therefore, very clear. Parliament, seems to be shaking its l*'cks and shorting. For the last two weeks or so Parlia- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : No, it is ment has, indeed, proved that it is the custo- not dear. ■ .{interruptions) diftq of the w w i w of the people, We in 30? Violation p f Company ta w MAY 31,1972 f y a C O k im [Shri Shyamnandan Mishraj background is that this fWtow has been flouri- the opposition, have always been treated by shing under the patronage of this Government. certain newspapers to certain sermons which The hon. Prime Minister was pleased to aay, we richly deserve. They have said that everyone get* money from the capitalists: Parliament ~ltas been on tbe decline. But now “Yes, we have got money from them ; others it has been proved that tbe process of decline also do get.*' Now, may I ask the Prime If any, has not been irreversible Parliament Minister whether the Opposition possesses that has, indeed, highlighted some of the problems vast power of patronage and coercion... which hive been very much in the minds of the people. And we really feel proud of SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : He does Parliament and prouder of the opposition. net get it these days ? In the first instance I will try to insulate SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : it from politics and it is, indeed, surprising to When that is the case, will they care a hoot me that the other side had to convert itself for us and for the rest of the Opposition ? into a defence council for Mr. R. P. Goenka. The motion relates to Mr. R. P. Goenka and However, what you, Sir, have witnessed he indeed is a fortunate person who has got is, and that cannot and will not bear any con* about 362 advocates for him in the House. tradition, that spokesmen afte spokesmen from This motion relates to the Mouse of Goenka. the other side were only flinging counter- We want to insulate the subject completely charges on the author of this motion, Shri from the ruling party. But they happen to be Jyotirmoy Bosu and his party. They were •o touchy in this matter. This was confined citing other examples. So, it only means that only to the House of Goenka. What did we violations have been taking place, and indeed get from the other side ? They said : You violations have been galore. That is proved. please don’t refer to the Prime Minister, you Earlier this side also had said that violations please don't refer to the ruling party. The had been indulged in, and here is the allega- motion refers to allegations based on pohotos- tion in this motion that violation has been tat copies ; the photostat copy does bear the indulged in by Mr. R. P. Goenka. photo of the Prime Minister; it also bears the name of Indian National Congress. Even SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : His so, 1 will resist the temptation of referring to friends and leaders are responsible for that. the photograph of the Prime Minister though I must say, it is so difficult to resist the temp* SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : My tatfon. But then, certain things have been said hon. friend Shri K. P. Unnikrishnan has con- and proved. The case of the Opposition does ceded that he was a guarantor. not require any special advocacy. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : I said, AN HON. MEMBER : Then, why is he reference, maybe, I did not know. He came speaking ? on in only as referenoe. Let him not mislead the House. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : Why are my hon. friends opposite feeling restive ? SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : The case is proved against the house of Then, we have been told that the payment had Goenkas. That is the main proposition. And been made... how is it proved ? May I congratulate the ruling party on having a very very respectable SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : By us. guarantor, namely Shri R. P. Goenka ? After having screened the entire planet, they got this SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : Why do most respectable guarantor for them selves. they not allow the lady to speak ? SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Facing CBI inquiry. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : Payraent has beenmade throntft whifttiheqae SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : And attd on what date ? what is the background of this Mr. Goenka ? The background was mentioned by soase of my SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN ? It has fcta. Mends on this side of the House, The •ireadybfcm given. 309 V bbtion o f Company law JYAISTHA10.1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (tf> 310 SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : an iota of it has been proved to be wrong. And there might be so many orders. Please wait. Further evidences have multi- plied, and they have been placed on the SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : The Table of the House. They have been incor* orders also have been mentioned. porated in the speech of Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu, So, my humble submission is this : the Prime SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : It Minister says that they received money ; her has been said that thfc ruling party spent not spokesmen, the spokesmen of the ruling party less than Rs. 5 crores.... have said that they have received money. Hon. Members of the opposition have quoted SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : My instances. There has been the arrest of six hon. friend did not listen properly. workers. What does it denote ? This clearly and conclusively proves that the docu- SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : ...on ments have been correct, and it was wrong on publicity, and only the film publicity of the the part of the—{Interruption) ruling party cost them about a crore of rupees. The four-minute filming of certain AN HON. MEMBER : They were dis- things on the screen has cost them about a missed. crore of rupees. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I am What payment ? In what cheques ? On sorry. They have been dismissed, and they what dates ? That is the basic question : are going to be prosecuted. That conclusively proves that that document is correct. Then, the question arises that if Mr. Goenka, this monopoly house, stood a My submission is that they have yielded guarantor. ., . to the charge that has been made from this side. My only grievance is that they had SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : No ; no right to disappoint us in the manner— let not my hon. friend mislead the House, The pleasure, in fact, lies in some resistance, I said, may be as reference. but there has been none from your side. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: If he Mr. Deputy-Speaker, this is not the only did not, if they denied it, the ground would instance. In Bombay also- I do not refer to be shifted. Their document which had been political parties by name, and here I refer to produced by my hon. friend Shri Jyotirmoy a political party, and so, please do not fed Bosu bad not been contradicted by any hurt about it,—there was a potter, as Bombay person. Then, the charge sticks to would not lag behind the city of Calcutta. Mr. Goenka and he is a criminal and he There are Goenkas in Bombay also. There must be prosecuted. was a poster produced by Mr. Oovardhan Das and Mr. Arvind Kiiachand and some SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: Who said ‘No’ ? others, who are very great advocates of socialism and also great believers in the pro- SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : gramme of the eradication of poverty. That Exoneration can take place only to the extent also cost Rs. 5 lakhs. that he is proved to be a guarantor. Other- wise, here is a person who has made a clan- Then, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, there is the destine donation to the ruling party, and the Firestone Co. We are supposed to be opposed charge is proved. May 1 submit that the to the Americans. This Firestone Co., con- hon. Finance Minister and others who tributed to a political party.—I do not name followed him in the same vein were guilty of that political party—Rs. 80 lakhs. And what breach of privilege of this House? They was the instrumentality through which this have said about this document that it is a donation was made ? This was made through fabrication. There has not been any evidence advertisements largely. adduced so far to show that the document has been fabricated. The document stands in- tact, and not an iota of evidence it has been SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: How? proved to be wrong. {Interruption). Not Please explain. 311 Violation o f Company Law MAY $1,1972 by a Cakutta form (M) 312 SHRI SHYAMNANDAN M1SHRA * I am party ; we are supported by Indian capitalism not mentioning the political party This But his great admirers who are with hun, I Firestone Co , made a contribution of Rs 80 mean the American leaders of the world lakhs through the instrumentality of its various counter revolution, discovered in Mrs. Indira branches numbering thousands, and the main Gandhi and the Indian National Congress person concerned was the Regional Manager their greatest enemies (Interruptions) It is at Delhi, Mr Sucha Singh Here is a com- not from the classical pattern of outmoded plete charge Do not take it upon yourself marxist books can one learn what is socialism Enquire into this matter These advertise- and what ts marxism but only from the ments are proving to be the greatest source of practice and theory of life Who nationalised evil Advertisements are given to mythical the banks in India? We nationalised the journals which never sec the light of the day banks tn India Mr. Shyamnandan Mishra May 1 demand from the forum of this House, was voting against it t Interruptions) The which is the highest forum in this country, Bharatiya Jan Sangh and the Swatantra Party either these advertisements should be banned voted against it Who are supposed to be the or these souvenirs should be laid on the Table defenders of socialism ? of the House If the souvenirs have not been published, then these criminals who have made Those who live in glass houses should not the donations must be brought to book In throw stones at others when my friend Mr fact, they have defrauded the public exchequer P R Das Munsi came out with certain facts if they made contributions of about Rs 5 and figures, 1 saw Mr Bosu missing from the crores r*nks of Parliament Mr Bosu is a believer in Hitler's philosophy If a big lie is repeated SHRI PILOO MODY What about the a number of times, it shall become true criminals who took the donation ? (Interruptions) I want to remind ray marxist friends of the so called Zino view letters that were thrown on the face ot the world and how SHRI SHYAMNANDAN M1SHRA , it affected the Labour Party in Great Britain But I do not name the criminals So, I say I want to remind my friends that the social that if they made a contribution of the order democrats and communists m Germany were of Rs 5 crores they have defrauded the in- convicted for crimes which they did not com- come-tax department to the extent of Rs 4 mit Have we forgotten the case of the Reich crores Who stands to lose ? It i& the stag fire in Germany It is very easy for public exchequer Therefore, this is not Shyamnandan Mishra to argue like a village only a demand of a political nature , it is of school master who though vanquished could legal and financial nature argue still The cheque number was quoted , Lastly, after the banning of company the letter number was quoted (Interruptions) donations, what are we confronted with to Still Mr Mishra argues that we had not paid day ? I must say that the crimes that are for the posters , Mr Goenka paid for them being committed are a thousand times more Why this furore ? (Interruptions) I want to heinous than those that were committed when analyse the voting pattern in this Parliament company donations were open the day before yesterday on the issue of the ICS Bill Nobody in the Opposition except May I say, finally, that all this talk of four** cast their votes against it socialism to which we have been treated is only a magical bloom on words That has 18 brs not yielded anything An honest politician, as somebody said, is one who, when he is SHRI PILOO MODY I happen to be brought will stay boujht (Interruptions) one of the four people who voted against that I think they will, as honest politicians, stay Bill and I am proud of it that I have not sold bought my conscience, I have not sold my intelligence, I have not sold my soul to a myth belonging SHRI R K. SINHA (Faizabad) Mr to a foreign country And, I refuse to be Jyotirmoy Bosu lives in a glass house But referred to m this House as ** I will have you it suits him to attack the ruling party He to know that this is a very fundamental thing has today discovered that we are a bourgeois of all Parliaments that every individual may *’ Expunged as ordered by the Chair. H i Violation o f Company Law JYAISTHA10.1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (M) 314 vote exactly according to his conscience and bave shown them where they stand, not necessarily according to the dictates of » 0» < * h « super-human pmwr. SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Mr. Dtpuly- Speaker. Sir, till 5 50 p m. the opposition MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : ! think we partics have takcn as much as 104minutes all accept that in this House, the highest forum an.d thc Congress Party has taken only 66 in the country, we have freedom of expression r™nu,es- We claim it as our right that we and freedom of casting our vote. Therefore, uIc* .*** gl vcn< tw,cc as much as the I think it is unfortunate that in regard to the opposlt,rn par,l>s have sot. Let the House way we cast our vote, that word was used. I c?m,nuc t,.n 9 9 ’Clock Wc are not afraid do not want this word to go on record. It continuing this debate. Wc must get the is not going on record. t,mc that is due t0 us ■•(interruptions) SHRI R. K. SINHA : I did not want to SHRI PILOO MODY ; I entirely agree insult anybody’s sentiments. I was merely with the hon. Minister. This debate should analysing the national situation in India today. go on and on. I agree that they should gel Those who used to defend the right to pro- proportionate time. perty, the private sector, the princes and the privy purses, were forced to vote with us day MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I think the before yesterday and on the Constitution submission of the Minister of Parliamentary Amendment Bill relating to Kerala, thc voting Affairs is very reasonable. He will get the was 311 to 0. What does it prove ? It only proportionate time to which his party is enti- proves that under the leadership of Shrimati tled. 1 will not deny time to anybody. Indira Gandhi and the Congress Party, the nation has moved to the left. SHRI SURLNDRA M JHANTY (Kendra- pura) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, this debate SHRI PILOO MODY : One party, one has been so much ramified, so much acrimony leader, one nation, one sex ! (Interruptions), has been brought to bear upon this issue that really I am at my wit’ii end what to speak and what to avoid. The issue has been diluted SHRI R. K. SINHA : The cry of a cele- and its target has been misplaced by bringing brated buffoon cannot stifle the voice of the in so many extraneous issues. The hon Shri Parliament of India Why is it that the Mar- Vidya Charan Shukla referred to the Maniram xists today are trying to lead an opportunistic elections and the charisma of the Prime Minis alliance with Jan Sangh, Cong (O) and Swa- ter. But my only regret is that the massive tantra ? It is because they want to sabotage mandate which thc Congress Party has received the Indian revolution ? Their friends are in the general elections and the charisma of doing it in Bangladesh They want the ex- the Prime Minister have to depend upon these periment of democracy to fail in India. They posters printed by Goenka. have no other allies except people like Mr. Vajpayee and Mr. Mishra. They were defea- ted at the polls and they discovered the argu- The question on this poster issue is very ment of rigging of the poll in West Bengal. simple and it has been dealt at length by many How that voice has been silenced, they have hon. Members. The Prime Minister in her come with Nagarwala issue yesterday and the speech at Calcutta dismissed this photostat poster issue today. They are trying to lower copy as not genuine. But have the Congress the morale of the Indian people. Those who Party been bold enough to challenge the have no faith in democracy and in the people, authenticity of the photostat copies in the those who split the communist party, those who name of Shri R. P. Goenka, placing an order spilt the trade union movement in India, they for printing of election posters in five languages have no faith in the movement of the proleta- for the election campaign. This photostat r ia t in India They have only one faith, / e. copy, which has been presented to you. has to break Indian democracy. The poison they not yet been disputed. It is a fact on record generated in the last election and in the elec- that these election posters have been printed ; tion before that suffocated them, and we woo though it does not mention any particular the elections again. The people of India party, from the subsidiary evidence that has 315 Violation o f Company Lew MAY 3l» 1972 by a Calcutta Firm (M) 31* [Shn Surendra Mohanty] bear the signature of the person who sign it. been led il has been pioved that ft has been It is usually kept in a file and some time it printed for the Congress Party. bears no signature, it js merely an office copy. It has been borne Out that the employees of The question arises whether this contra- the Saraswaty Press who were privy to this venes the provisions of the company Jaw or have already been dismissed. I ask the Congress not Shri Indrajit Gupta, according to the party why they have been dismissed They have well-known dialectics of the rightist Communist been dismissed because those conscientious Party, has told us that before 1968 donations employees have passed on the information to to political parties was not culpable and, there- the press and the public as to how a monopoly fore, what was being done m the open till house has been financing the Congress party 1968 is now being paid under the counter under the counter. In all humility I would like to submit that Sine these two documents have not been two wrongs do not make one right Mr controverted, the only basic issue remains, as Jyotirmoy Bosu’s charge, whatever may be the to whether this is a matter into which an validity, cannot be disproved by the fact that inquiry should be conducted or not. I have other parties also receive donations from moved an amendment that a parliamentary companies. Therefore it is very unfortunate committee should go into this and see whether that this simple issue, whether this poster has the Company law violation has not taken place been printed by Mr Goenka in furtherance of and whether the ruling Congress party has not the elcUrotal prospects of the Congress party benefited by the violation of the Company law should have been sought to be disproved by bringing in extraneous matters which really It has been said that whatever bill the have no relevance Saraswaty press has submitted has been paid by the A IC C by a cheque I was listening If anything, this debate has proved the very carefully to Mr Austin But he has not observations of the Wanchoo Caramutee that clariiitd whether this particular order No. 189/ it is really difficult to stop the rampage of 72 da'ed 7-2-72 has been paid by a cheque by black money when political parties receive the A I C C He has not said so He has donations from these Black money hoarders quoted the Nos of 3 or 4 cheques But those My only regret is that when the partv in cheques arc not related to this particular order power charged with stopping the rampage of No 189/72 dated 7 2 72 which stands in the black money, when the party in power is name of Mr R P Goenka Therefore, citing receiving donations in this kind of manner the Nos of those cheques has no relevance from monopoly houses, it is really difficult to Now, a pertinent question arises. If tbe Con- stop the rampage of b'atk money gress party has paid through cheques, why and how Mr. R P Goenka could be brought into It has been said that if there is any viola- the picture ? tion of the Company law, then the party con* cerned should go to a court of law instead of 18.15 hrs. agitating the matter on the floor of Parliament [Mr Speaker in th• chair] I would like to submit that to evade the Company law, thts kind of decoy has been laid here Instead of paying in cash, Rs. 5 Nobody disputes about the charisma of lakhs have been contributed in the shape of the Prime Minister But why should the chari- posters simply to evade the Company law I sma of the Prime Minister be substained ask : Is it moral ? Is it ethical ? Is it politi- through posters printed by Goenka ? (Interrup- cal ? That is redly the issue that is to be tion) If these posters have been paid for- determined. And it cannot be determined in through valid cheque drawn by the AICC, a Court of Law. why and how Goenka came into the picture ? We know that Dr Siddhartha Tbe second photostat which is a letter from Shankar Ray, the Chief Minister Saraswaty Pres? to Mr Goenka giving the of West Bengal, is a very affluent man. He estimate has not been disproved. Nobody has could have stood as guarantee, Wby should said that it h a fake document The only thing Mr R P. Goenka come into the picture ? has bean said is that it bears no signature You That only underlines (he secret link that the trill appreciate that office copies do not usually ruling Congress has with the monoixjly houses. 317 W atidlM Company Law JYAISTHA 10,1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (M) 318 The other day, 1 brought before the House SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : Every time the how a Minister's son without qualifications was Opposition members who are to speak at the employed by Union Carbide, a foreign mono* fag end have to suffer. Hon’ble Speaker is poly house. This is how things are going on. lenient to one or two but on account of that, Do you think that, with this massive mandate, why should we suffer ? It is not proper, Sir. you can ride roughshod over all norms of The members of the Opposition should get ethics and of propriety ? If that is so, I say to more time Why should we suffer 7 Yesterday, the nodding heads that it is a sign of your Prof Dandavate could not speak. decay and not of resurgence. Therefore, I say in all humility that if the ruling Party accepts MR. SPEAKER : Your share comes to my amendment and agree to the appointment four minutes. of a Parliamentary Committee to go into the whole question, it will not only absolve the SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : Please give me ruling Congress of the suspicions but will also four minutes That is enough. put on an even keel thc political life of our country. SHRI P. K. DEO : Thc Deputy Speaker said that I would get 15 minutes and I have it© m u m qfi*i : my substitute motion, carnfe arra a r m i ararcr snft a w $ sftr *r*ftT MR. SPEAKER : I am not going to keep that proposal. You have taken a lot ol time. sfa an** gpft Mtr 1 1 x tw fii % s t a s % w it 3 q v an«r *5 DR LAXMINARAIN PANDEY : What about Mr. Dandavate ? ira f 5>ft w f & z MR. SPEAKER : There arc so many ■qstf *Tt % fO T fiTTO W& I interested to speak. PROF MADHU DANDAVATE (Raja- % ^’ SHRI PILOO MODY : We have been SHRI PILOO MODY : ami shared by the suffering from the same disease. Government. MR. SPEAKER : We have been suffering SHRI P. K OBO of 1967 6* and which from too many diseases. has revealed a blackmarket sale o f imported raw material to the tune of Rs. 25 lakhs. SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi) : It is the Shri F. A. Ahmed brought the mantle of compulsion of duty that has forced me to protection because he happens to be the blue- give this substitute motion to refer this matter eyed boy of the Congress party and he to a commission to be constituted under the brushed aside the letter as fabrication. The Commission of Inquiry Act on the analogy of CBI report has not yet been published. They Pratap Singh Kairon inquiry. That Commis- have gone further deep into the matter. sion of Inquiry was headed by Shri S. R . Das. They have said some other items like It is also on the analogy of the matter of aluminium and copper have been sold in the Sarajuddin being referred to Mr. S. K. Dass. black market. Money was ac cepted from Serajuddin by the Secretary of Sh ri K. D. Malaviya for which I come to Duncan brothers. It belongs he bad to go out of the Cabinet in a most to Goenka. They placed orders for 8 lakhs unceremonious way. On the analogy of these of posters on the Saraswaty press to promote past precedents, I gave my substitute motion. the election prospects of the congress party. Specially, these matters relate to certain alleged The Prime Minister called it fabrication. The charges of corruption, nepotism, use of black Finance Minister called it baseless. It is money which not only expose the character of bccause, the Congress party is at the dock. the Government in giving shelter and patro- But the fact has not been denied by Saraswaty nage to certain monopoly houses for an ulterior press and it has not been denied by the motive and if proved, it will invalidate the Duncan Brothers. The question is. who paid 1971 elections. for these particular posters. Who had paid this ? This subject of banning of company Although it relates to the house of the donation to political parties has been a subject Goenkas, one of the 75 business monopoly which Prof. Amin and my friend Mr. Piloo Mody houses which had Aslan Cables and Duncan had been eloquently advocating in this House Brothers which figured prominently in the in the past. We have expressed our concern Monopoly Inquiry Commission report, as about the extent of black money in circulation. feathering their nests by multiplication of their There have been some suggestions of having capital and assets under the licence-permit- a seminar of economists. The seminar is not quota raj and one of them has got the title of going to solve the problem. Black money has been in circulation. Wanchoo Com- Padma Bhmh&n...(Interruptions) Yes, Mr. Goenka got Padma Bhushan. mittee has said about it. They have come out with a statement that we must have effective and positive measures. With this SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I money power they are exploiting the poverty see. and ignorance of the Indian masses. When 1 heard the speech of my CPI friend, it SHRI P. K. D E O : Sir, I deem, it my duty reminded me of this : to bring to the notice of the House a call atten- tion which was discussed on August 22, 1969 f o f TRT % which was brought by Mr, Naidu on a manus- cript letter by Shri Kalelkar, Director-General of Technical Development to Asian Cables This is Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde attitude. demanding Rs. 4 lakhs for diversification This is what our communist friends have per mi I of the PVC projects. . ( Interruptions) been playing in this country. I request the Several issues have been raised, viz,, illegal Minister to answer the following questions. use of user licences, selling the imported raw materials, making huge profits which have Is the same Duncan Brothers not involved been corroborated in the Company’s accou- in a subject which is under the CBI enquiry ? nts •• Has not the CBI unearthed blackmarket «ate i l l Violation o f Company law JYAISTHA io, 1894 (5AKA) by a Calcutta Firth (At) 322 of imported items like PVC. aluminium and party that their massive mandate means that copper ? Why has not the report been if they indulge in corruption and malpractices, published by the Home Ministry which is they should not do it in a microscopic way presided over by the Prime Minister ? but they should do it in a massive way ? (Interruptions) My second question is this. Let me say that this is only a straw in the Is it not a fact that as a quid pro quot this wind What is more fmportaot to me is company was given the assurance for the political motivation and I have said this while purchase of Bombay Dyeings, and negotiations raising the point of order, and I am glad that have been going on with Bombay Dyeings and you have given a ruling that even tbe Duncan Bros. ? There are many scandals like motivation behind this violation of the tbe wool deal with which Shri L N. Mishra is company law does fall within the ambit of the very much familiar. Large Congress posters general discussion on the subject. Therefore, appear in Connaught Place and they are paid I am more concerned with the political tor by tbe Narang group. Advertisements have motivation. I do not want to indulge in been raised in Congress souvenirs and all these just legal quibbling I am not interested have to be gone into. So, a commission of in* merely in that. I am one of those people quiry must be instituted under the Commissions who feel that sometimes the law makes the of Inquiry Act to probe into the entire matter. m?nd sharp by making it narrow, and, there- fore, I am one of those who feel that we PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Raja- should not indulge in legalistic quibbling in pur) ; 1 had joined in raising this order to find out whether merely the company poster issue through a motion, because I feci law has been violated. that the issue raised in this debate is a symptom of a deeper malady. The malady I want to point out to you why I felt involved is the evil role that is being played that there was a primafa cie case in the by the industrial houses and black money in allegations which has been put forward by the political life of our country. Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu: when 1 just went through the photostat copy placed before the I am not at all worried as to which party House by Shri Jyotirmoy Bo&u, 1 felt that 1 is involved in it. Tomorrow if it is established had to take a view of the photostat copy on that even my party is involved in it, it will be the background of the politics that was going a matter of anguish and a matter of shame on in the country, and I would like to test and sorrow for me. Therefore, if 1 criticise the validity of the case on the background of what is happening, it is out of our love for the politics of the purse that is going on, democratic traditions and the democratic Therefore, on this background it is perfectly political fabric of out country. valid and relevant to say that the prestige of the Prime Minister of the country is involved. During the last elections, Rs. 23 The issues involved in this debate are the to 25 lakhs were collected from a number of violation of the company law by giving industrial houses. These people might be donations to a political party, the collusion l»a\ ing contacts wiih the industrial houses. of a party with the industrial houses, and the most important point that 1 would like to stress is that if things continue in this SOME HON. MEMBERS : No, it is an particular manner and at this pace, it will under-estimate. be impossible for a poor man in this country to contest any parliamentary election, and it PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I am will be beyond the reach of a poor party and quite correct in saymg that Rs 20 to 25 lakhs a common man in the country. were collected from each industrial house. I have said it in tbe past. These people might Whenever we raise the issue of either be collecting them from the Industrial magna- fraud or maipracticcs, the stock argument that tes. We have no contacts with them. But we is being advanced from the Treasury Benches, have contacts with the trade union organisa* and the Finance Minister is the foremost in tions in those very industrial houses. When this, is that the Opposition may criticise these donations are given, the industrial them, but they have tbe massive mandate of magnate knows that but also the cashier and the people. What is the massive mandate of tbe accountant known that. The industrial the people ? Have the people told the ruling magnate might be with them, but the cajhjer 323 Violation o f Company Law MAY3J, 1972 324 fPwf. Medhu Dandavate] have been m adethm & h advertisements, But was also know that sotne souweofrs have not and th« accountant are intimately connected come out. Like that, Rs, 3 crores have been with the trade union organisations. When I collected. This is what U actually hapjcaiag. make this allegation, I do not want to be unfair. Therefore, I want to nuke a declara- tion here that if the ruling party is willing to Normally, I would not like to refer to make a judicial probe to find out the finances what has been stated by way o f criticism of of all the political parties including the ruling Members of the Opposition. But there k an party, as far as the election campings are unwritten law in the Parliamentary prooedure concerned, with your permission, 1 am pre- that when we from the opposition want to pared to place before the judicial probe the confront the ruling party; we have not to tape-recorded evidence of the shady transac- attack each other. I have basic differences tions that have taken {dace between those with the Swatantra party ; I have differences who have taken money from the industrial with the Jan Sangh. I differ with the houses and those who actually paid It. Congress (O). But here, when we function as Opposition, and when we are confronting the In this connection, let me tell you one ruling party, an unwritten understanding must instance. The dignity and the decorum of the be there that we do not try to quarrel among House demand that 1 should not reveal the ourselves and try to give a handle to the names. The rules do not permit us to reveal ruling party. I do not want to be the Queen's those names without prior permission. But I Opposition, but I want to be the real Opposi- wish to say one thing. In the last Lok Sabha tion in this Parliament. election, using the prestige of the Prime Minister, for industrial house in Bombay, a I will conclude. Since the hon. Member quota of Rs. 25 lakhs was fixed. They from the C.P.I. has given a number of contributed Rs. 23 lakhs, and afterwards they quotations, and since a number of figures have were told through the Prime Minister "you also been given, 1 would also like to give some have let us down” . That industrial magnate quotation. In the Lok Sabha. Shri Samar ■aid “we have contributed Rs. 23 lakhs,” Ouha had asked a question on March 14, Then they were told that the Congress records 1969. about the fabulous money which was indicate that only Rs. 8 lakhs to Rs. 9 lakhs received by the Communist Party of India were donated .*’ It was later found out that for its New Age Printing Press and the Rs. 15 lakhs were retained by an individual Kalantar Press in Calcutta. The Minister and I want to make this statement on the has also confessed it in the reply that he floor of the House that a member of the Union gave : the reply in the Lok Sabha document Ministry was involved in it, and in view of is there. He admitted that this revenue, tiw fact that the Prime Minister found it out, was available to the Communist party’s that Minister was removed from the Central presses, and even the foreign language publica- Cabinet, but tragically enough, he has become tions of the U.S.S.R. are pouring over into a Governor of one of the prominent States India. They do not pay for that. All that in this country. That is the premium put on money is made available for the Communist ■uch things. party. I would not have referred to this normally, but since a number of questions On the same background, I would like to have been raised in this debate, I referred say a few words about licences. A licence to it. for polythene for a quantity of 1,000 tonnes was given allegedly for the Asian Cables. Therefore, I will conclude by repeating This was sold in the blackmarket for Rs. 25 my demand that there should be a judicial lakhs. A CBI enquiry is going on. but still probe. Let the atmosphere be cleared. Let that enquiry has not seen the light of the day. every party be put in the dock. If you want and we still do not know in Parliament what even the Socialist party may be put In the are the findings. dock. 1 am prepared for that. Let all the parties, right from ultra violet to infra red, I do not wish to take murh time. Ad- be put in the dock. Let us find out the truth vertisements were given to some souvenirs and let the guilty be punished... and to some “non-souvenirs” We have wen advertisements being collected for the AN HON. MEMBER : Which sociafttt souvenirs, and I know the contributions Which party are yon referring to? 325 Violation o f Company Law JYAISTHA 10. 1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (M) 326 p r o f . MADHU DANDAVATE: Just today we are having a discussion under rule as there are two Congresses, there can be more 84-1 should say that the purpose of the dfo> than one socialist party. If this atmosphere cussion is not only to clear the atmosphere of corruption and malpractices is not •• (Interruptions), cleared, I warn the ruling party that, in spite of the image of the Prime Minister in the we« : v # w country, this Government lead by Mrs. Indira Gandhi will go down the way of f w i fW ST Chiang kai-Shek’s Government in China and ^ 1 Soekarno’s Government in Indonesia...... (Interruptions). SHRI P. K. DEO : He has shown his chappal... (Interruptions). MR. SPEAKER : Shri Stephen. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (K anpur): Mr. MR. SPEAKER : 1 have not heard i t Indrajit Gupta never opposed a commission : he simply wanted a parliamentary committee. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE : Do Let there be a commission of enquiry. We you allow this to be on record 7 are all for it. The CPI are not afraid of facing an enquiry. SHRI P. K. DEO : You should pull him up. SHRI PILOO MODY : Ho, ho. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am sorry : SHRI S. M, BANERJEE : Do not be- I apologise but he should also behave... have like a baboon. (Interruptions). MR SPEAKER: What is the trouble MR. SPEAKER : That is the idea 7 You Mr. Mody ; you are groaning ? ask for protection 7 SHRI PILOO MODY : 1 notice that you SHRI4»ILOO MODY : I did not ask for pay great attention to 'Ho, ho' but nothing protection. 1 do not need protection, about baboons, chimpanzees and all the in* fantile words ; all that you leave out. SHRI K. D MALAV1YA (Domariaganj) : Do you want us to control Mr. Piloo Mody 7 MR SPEAKER : You are very visibfe to You give us permission ; we can control Mr. me ; evidently I take notice of you. Piloo Mody. I am sorry ; yesterday also you were not able to control him. I restrained SHRI PILOO M ODY: You must not myself to the utmost ; I have been hearing only use your eyes but also your ears...... irresponsible statements from this side ; lies ( Interruptions) are being poured ; you are not able to give protection...(Interruptions). SHRI C. M. STEPHEN . Muvuttupuzha) ; Mr. Speaker, two issues have cropped in the SHRI M. KALYANASUNDARAM course of this discussion... (Tiruchirapalli): 1 am sorry a member of my party had to offend Mr. Piloo Mody, but he SHRI P. K. DEO : He says he is going is justified in offeoding him. The Speaker to slap him. We need your protection. must pull him up. He should not make a running commentary in this House* If he MR. SPEAKER : I cannot give protection repeats it when a member of my party is speak- to every buffoonery. ing, he will not be allowed to remain in tty* House. SHRI C. M, STEPHEN : With respect to the two matters which cropped up daring the MR. SPEAKER : 1 agree with Mr. disauskra in this House, which you in your Malaviya. Yesterday also I advised him, t o - democratic wisdom decided to allow—yester- day the situation is thc same. I think Mr: day we hid a discussion under rule 193 and Mody should not go out of the limits. Th^ff 327 V iohtion of Company law MAY 31,1972 by a Calcutta Fhm (U ) 328 [Mr Speaker] nature of things because, forgetting everything what exactly is the issue in the motion h It is is a limit to everything I shall see how it only a simple thing, that a section of the com- happens again 1 have been tolerating it all pany law has been violated b> somebody the time I advised Mr Malaviya and other Taken away from the context, certainly, it is members yesterday to ignore it, but it is not a matter for the Lok Sabha to discuss going too much out of control and there is nothing to discuss about it It is SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA All argu- simply a matter for anybody to go to the ments have been exhausted now and so other company law authorities and demand an inves things are being resorted to It is better to tigation If it is not forthcoming, then the end the debate general issue may be raised But, instead of that, this was moved and you, Sir, m your SH R IC M STEPHEN Sir, in a verv democratic liberal wisdom, decided that there painful setting, 1 am m tng to speak on this must be a forum to discuss it The issue being motion I was wondering what exactly is the such on which much of discussion was not purpose of this discussion As a new parlia- possible, it is inevitabfe that we travel far and mentarian I have understood rules 193 and wide My only purpose in making this com 84 to mean that where questions of general ment is to show that the effort that is made is interest come up the Parliament must provide not to find out the truth, to judge everybody a forum where arguments will be advanced in the proper perspective, to acquit whoever from one side and the other so that the final is not guilty and to punish those who are position may be heard from Government, for found guilty But that is not tbe purpose of the masters of all of us— the people of India— this motion the purpose is purely political to judge everybody in iheir proper sphere and with that political purpose everything has There is no question of anybody prosecuting been spelt out anybody or an)body standing m the dock It is a national debate, and the Parliament of Now two aspects arise out of the motion India has got the responsibility to me equal for today One is the specific question as to to the people s expectation and projtct an whether the Duncan Brothers Limited have image of character and dignity befitting a violated the law I am not interested in that supreme body representing the 5$ crores of The pipper procedure ts there and if violation our people has taken place, appropriate action will have to be taken I, as a parliamentarian, is not I was asking myself what was the purpose interested in that with which these motions were given notice of For a discussion under rule 193, the ultimate The next question is whether the Indian as spelt out m the rule is that after hearing National Congress has done something shady everybody, the minister must give a reply If Here is the General Secretary of the Indian the purpose is to find out the truth, if the National Congress, speaking in this House He purpose is not political but to hear the gave facts and figures , he cited the number reply from the minister, it behoves a person of the cheque and the bank on which the who gives notice of such a motion to remain amount was drawn He stated the exact in the House and hear the minister Yesterday amount which had to be spent on the paper I may recall, many things were said by the and the mills from which the paper was col- opposition Then, what happened ? If the lected He mentioned the number of the order purpose was to bear from the government the the number of the receipt, everything The version of the government which is governing Indian National Congress, with all its weakness this country, it should have been expected that and foibles, with all its susceptibilities and the persons who are interested would remain weak points, which you may attack, remains and hear the speech But, unfortunately, when tbe same mighty organisation m which tbe the reply came out from here hot, when the people at least for the time being have reposed Finance Minister rose to speak, the opposition their faith The General Secretary of tbe front moved out a» darkness would melt when Indian National Congress comes before Parlia- the sun is rising They could not stand it ment, speaks on the motion at the bar 0f this Today what is happening ? What is the issue House, gives no hazy notions but specific that has been put up 1 Shri Basu has travelled detailed statements of the transaction and, far and wide I have no complaint against it even after that, I was pained to hear certain was inevitable, according to me, in the very of my friends spelling out the sami ihttfc as if 3& Violation o f Company law JYAISTHA io, i&94 {SAXA) by a Calcutta Firm (hi) *30 Df. Henry Austin mentioned nothing at ail. is. Although for this particular purpose, the That is why 1 ask the question : what exactly money was paid by the A.I.C.C., the other is the purpose of this debate ? parlies, some of them, may not understand it. Because they may not know the dealings in Now, many things have been stated here. cheques They do not have the accounts They I am not here to reply to everyone of them. do not know about payments of money in There are parties and parties. There are parties cheques. They may be doing out of their whom a person like me will take note of there pockets, this way or that way. But the Indian are parties which I would like to ignore. Shri National Congress cannot aiford to do that. Shyamnandan Mishra spoke here. As a They have got records ; they have got accounts Member of Parliament, I have got respect for and they are prepared to spelt out that sort of him but, as a leader of a particular political operation. But the other friends do not know. party, permit me to say, I have no respect at all for him. It is not correct to say that we do not collect monjy. What is the shadow-fighting SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 1 that is going on ? Did not the Prime Minister, do not want it from you. the leader of the Congress Party, tell in Cal- cutta that we operate our party on donations collected ? There is no secret about it. Whoever SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Because, he says that I am not collecting money, whoever represents a political party which is on the says I am collecting money on a mass base of death-bed. a sinking political party, which is one rupee each, to say the least, he is a hypo- being sustained only by the masquerade of the crite. We do collect money Here is a greit borrowed name of the Indian National Cong- organisation. We have got to operate it. Who- ress. That is not a party for tomorrow; I ever thinks that money must be paid to the would prefer to ignore him and ignore his organisation will pay. party. There is the Swatantra Party. 1 shall not take note of it. Everybody knows what We do not believe that collecting money the Swatanlra Parj stands for That is not a will put us under any obligation The Govern- party for tomorrow. I ignore that political ment which is governed by the Indian National party. But the Marxist Communist Party I Congress takes money from different countries. take not of. This is a movement in the But we take money which has no strings country. 1 accept it. Whatever criticism they Where the strings come, we say, we do not make, I must take note of that I accept it is want the monev, Without any strings, we a political party which has a backing in a collect the money from America ; we take particular area in this country, I will certainly money from Europen countries. The Govern- take note of their statement. The Communist ment takes money from different countries. Party of India is a political party which I That does not mean that we are mortgaging must take note of. our soul. All that I am saying is ; Don’t labour to run out organisation. Having said that, I come to what exactly is the allegation. Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu made a But having collected money what has the speech during the discussion. That alone is an Congress done ? We have nationalised the allegation. There are two aspects of his speech. banks; we have nationalised the insurance; One is the question that he has raised and the we have nationalised the mines We are now other is a challenge that he has thrown. The thinking of taking over monopoly houses. We question raised was this, “I want to know are trying to bring about land reforms. We are whether the company donations are prohibited hitting those persons who are paying us money. or not. What money is this ? From where Rs. The people will judge us by what we have 5 lakhs worth of posters were paid I want a done. We want about campaigning the elections. sansyasi. dear and categorical answer.” Dr. Henry We were not going about as a We Austin has given that answer. He may say, he had our jeeps ; we had our posters ; we had Is not satisfied. But we are not interested in our own notices. The people saw that we were Satisfying the political parties on the opposite spending money. Finding that, the people voted for us. side. We are interested only in satisfying the people of this country. 19 brs. Now, this allegation is not a new one* The Indian National Congress is what it This Allegation is a stale one. It has been all 331 Violation o f Company law MAY 31,1972 by a Calcutta Brm (Af) 332 [Shri C. M. Stephen] march out hebiud Mr. Bosu : for ? Printing order was given. Absurdity mqst have along there before the Parliament elections. a limit. (Interruption) I am not interested in What did you say ? What did Mr. Nijalingappa convincing you. Does a chaste woman awed a say ? The Congress has won here—the money certificate from a prostitute ? For the clean- has won ; the Congress has won there—the ness of the Party, t do not want your certifi- money has won, You also said that radio is cate. I value only one certificate aod that, is being used ; the money is being fleeced. That the cetificate of the toiling milions of people of was your charge. You put that charge before this country. The Congress is what it is. and the people. We went to the people with that that Cougress admits collecting money and charge. But the people said. “ In spite of these with that money to come to j)ower in order charges, we prefer the Indian National Con- that socialism may be established. The people gress and, therefore, we hand over Govern- believed in our good faith. People have accepted ment to you.” We faced the people with the that, and we are here, You can carry on again charge that you have been putting forth. You for three more years, and we shall together face waited for 18 months, 18 precious months, and the people and the people will give their now you are raising a charge. What is the verdict. charge against the Indian National Congress which Is running Governments in different Mr. Bosu, apart from spelling out this States and also at the Centre ? After waiting charge which was not a charge, has thrown out for 18 months, you have discovered a tremen- a challenge to me. The challenge is this. “ I dous charge— Saraswathi Press, five lakh have a photostat copy which involved Mrs. posters. That is all you could find out ! That Indira Gandhi. I will lay it on the Table of means that you do not have anything in your the House. You can bring like that against us." armoury. It is absolutely clear. I was really . That was the challenge. 'You can bring that. surprised to see the picture. What was the Here is the charge. Have you got any charge picture ? Mr Bosu, *.n the course of his speech, against us ? You can bring it.' Sir, I accept made a stray remark and that remark is here that challenge and, therefore, if you have got before u s ; the remark is, the Mana- certain charge... (Interruptions) I am coming ging Director of Duncan Brothers had placed to that. Wait for a little while. Here is a sen- an order on the Saraswathi Press for printing tence which he made : posters of Mrs. Gandhi in five languages for election purposes. Waited for something, got “ Since December, 1970, when the Wancboo nothing and here was something dropping. And Committee had recommended demoneti- what are you finding ? The Jan Sangh, sation, two elections have passed. They the Swatantra and the Cong (O) marched up. brought them with vast majority in power. In the front you find O’Aitagnan with the Who will believe that ? Unless there was a three musketeers behind him. What is the mountain of black m6hey in this country, charge ? Printing order was given. The charge they would not have been abltfto do the is not that money was paid. What is the alle- job.” gation ? The allegation, as spelt out by Mr. Bosu. was not that Congress collected money ; SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Exactly. it was not that money was paid by the Drun- can Brothers. The charge is that Duncan SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Correct* An Brothers p'aced the order. With that, they autobiographical statement. The Congress have started out and here comes the big motion won. they were surprised that Congress could which we are discussing now. Have you become win. They are finding out the explanation. so poverty stricken ? You waited for 18 months They can have only one explanation. Not that and you cou’d not find anything more ? May the people are with the Congress. Not that the I ask Jan Sangh, Mr. Vajpayee,—in spite of people approved the election manifesto of the all our differences, ever since I crime here I Congress. They look to themselves, they-sear- bave had admiration for his capacity—how ched for themselves and they analysed how could you march tint behind Mr. Bosu on this they won in Bengal in 1967* They realised ‘W® silly charge ? May I ask Swatantra, how could won because we used the blade money and, they march out of behind Mr. Bosu bn this therefore, if the Congress has woo, that is silly charge ? And this might champion of because the Congress Used the same black democratic cause, the present leader of the money which we used*. An autobiographical dying Cong (O), Mr. Mishra, bow could you ' statement is coming. ^ ..... 333 WM tO * 4 Company Law JYA1STHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (A#) 334 May I ask ; is that your assessment of That Ministry went out of power. Why did the people of India, the sovereign people of it go out of power ? E, M. S. Narab»>odiri* India ? The sovereign people of India can pad was the Chief Minister. Corruption be bought by filthy lucre 7 Is that your became 'rampant. We were only nine in assessment of our sovereign people of India 7 number in that Assembly but the partners We, as the sovereign people of India, are found it difficult to get along with them. higher than that. You are free to think so. They named certain Marxist Communist By this statement you have thrown out an Party Ministers and demanded an inquiry. insult on the face of the people of this A resolution was moved in the legislative country. By this statement you have declared Assembly. It was for the first time in the to the worlu the only way the elections can be history of the Kerala Assembly that they won is the black money and the logical passed a Resolution to have a judicial enquiry deduction is that ‘we won the election in instituted. What did the great leader of Bengal, that was by black money and, there- Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu say ? He said, rather fore, this is also by black money’. That is than putting these people on the enquiry, I what you are saying. will get out and he came out. He left the Land Reform Act to be dealt with by some- Now about this, he says and he has said ; body else. Enquiry was instituted and here “In Madhya Pradesh they have got their is the verdict, Sir. I have no photostat very great Birla friends. J would not copy, but I have got this report of the judicial like to mention names and create confu- enquiry, from the High Court Judge. He said: sion in the House. You know better than I do. They have been selling the product of the forest, that is, the bamboo “ In my judgment the making of provi- to the Orient Paper Mills at Shabdol at sional appointments in the above manner a value of Rs. 6 per tonne. They have evidences rotten, putrid or impure entered into a deal with the Birlas. They conduct, which is tantamount to cor- are buying bamboo for the paper mill at ruption.” Rs. 6 per tonne when the market price is Rs. 200 to Rs. 300 a tonne.” He has bten charged with corruption, and irregular appointments in the Transport He is spelling out a case to prove that the Department. Then he said ; Congress is corrupt. May I hold the mirror in front of Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu ? "The above is indeed a formidable array of appointments made in a grossly Once upon a time there was a Chief irregular, unfair and unjust manner. I Minister in Kerala. His name was E. M. cannot resist the feeling that when the Sankaran Namboodiripad. I understand he directions for appointments which he gave belongs to the Marxist Communist Party. to the District Authorities proved to be of There was an industrialist by name Birla. no avail, resort was had to an amendment Birla was brought down to South in 1957. of the Rationing Order brought about at his instance and to a Circular on proce- A contract was signed here for Rs. 6 per dure of his own evolving on a discussion tonne. Do you know for what price the with the Secretary to Government, Food. forest wealth of Kerala was mortgaged to the The Deputy*Secretary and Joint-Secretary, Birlas ? Rupee one per tonne . ...(Interrup- Food had made useful suggestions aa to tion*) If a contract of Rs 6 per tonne is procedure to be followed which were corruption, what would you call the contract designed to promote and ensure fairness for Re. I per tonne of the same bamboo 7 and equality of treatment in appoint- Applying the same principle you stand ments.” condemned with corruption...... But these were given the go-by. And SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : Six then the judgment says : times f “The indirect or circumstantial evidence SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: There were as discussed above does afford clinching certain Ministers in Kerala, CPM Ministers, or conclusive proof that Mr, Imbicht Bava 335 Violation o f Company la w MAY 31, 1972 bp a Calcut ta F tm iM ) 336 [Shri C. M. Stephen] SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: I «n eon. eluding in a minute. made many of tbe appointments with corrupt motives or with a view to favour those in whom he took interest. In the SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA case of 2 of them there is even direct (Serampore): The bon. Member has again evidence of his personal interest...... The and again taken the name of Shri E: M. S. making of these appointments in the Namboodiripad who is not here to defefcd manner stated above constitutes cor- himself...... ruption.” SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : I would not There is quite a large number of corruption take his name hereafter. charges. There is one more State Minister. With this 1 am closing. He is Mr. M. K. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : He Krishnan. He was put in the dock and here can refer to anyone he likes. Shri R. P. is the verdict. Goenka is also not here to defend himself. "But the orders Mr. Krishnan passed on SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: When a the petitions dated 1.4.1969 and 7.4.1969 charge is made against a great party, the suffer from grave irregularities and defects question whether there is a prima facie case which I have endeavoured to explain at would be determined by three considerations. some length in several paragraphs above The first is : Who made the charge ? The and I do not think it neccssary to recapi- second is r Against whom was tbe charge tulate them. Suffice it to say that the made ? And the third is : What was the orders are so erroneous to substance, charge ? 1 have already told you who made unjust to the Department and to Govern- the charge. ment and opposed to law, that I have no hesitation in characterising them as SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : We made the foolish if I may be pardoned for using charge. this term, and even perverse. They were such that apart from accusations made SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : We know against Mr. Krishnan of corruption of against whom the charge has been made. It oblique motives and of extraneous con- is the Indian National Congress against whom siderations, much of the comments on the charge has been made. You may defame them made in the Assembly, cannot be the Indian National Congress, but it is the said to be unmerited or baseless." Indian National Congress. Thirdly, the charge was so little and so small. My hon. friend Shri K. P. Unnikrishnan read out the portion about Mr. Wellington already. This debate has served a purpose and the purpose is that it has revealed the purpose* AN HON. MEMBER ; Where is Mr. fessness, the desperation and the frustration Krishnan now ? which has crept into the Opposition, and it would have done a groat good if it redeems SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : I understand them from this state of frustration so that we that he has been elected subsequently as a may have an effective constructive Opposition Member of the House. Anyhow, that is the in this country. sort of people who are coming in. »£ro Jrtta (sffcm) : In conclusion, I would like to say that ' ffar 5 w sw st when a charge is made, the question arises whether there is a prima facie case. Two w m «R*rr w i p r | ifc f # or three criteria come in in this behalf...... *T*tiT m * a r m f a 1 m %> MR. SPEAKER : The hon. Member has «f?r % *£& § if* srTTOft ust a'ready travelled around a lot. I think it is qow titnc that he shouldconclude, % wr % ;jN > 3S? V IohtkM Company taw JYAISTHA10, t m {SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (M) 338 n 3 « iT fa amrefont» # r ^ r ( 1 *rftw «M * ti# # fro f^rr % fa *rrom vtt *r f f 1 1 ^ »n*ft v r| 11 am 5»r m% «ft 11 totot nm fa v s s t a r % t o *njf ?ft «ft am tit $r?r ^ r • ^ p u ftfe d «9 PWlcred by th? Ch*ir, m Violation o f Company Law MAY 31, 1972 ky a Colcutta B m {M) 340 party will also withdraw what he said. I will take that responsibility of seeing that the hon. Member from my party also withdraws what he d4ti SHRI P. K DEO . Unless he withdraws those remarks, we will not allow the House to function...(Interruptions) «ft qo'ftotllri (3PRTT) SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD (Bhagal- «rrr wix i vFFfta asft ft ar^t fa pur) I do not support what he said. But D o you consider that this is parliamentary ? what were the hon Members who are now I think that should be expunged from the protesting doing when he was saying all the record. time ** Let him withdraw that first, then we shall withdraw our words, otherwise we will MR. SPEAKER • Order please not withdraw. «ft m m H if tw : T m w fftqptfsrfsTcrsriTf^i tft t o *ft (w rw w ) a m SHRI RAJ BAHADUR I wanted to soften (« w w w ) the climate , I took the first initiative I am not in agreement with that observation 1 my- ^ t T W W (WTWHT)** self saw that my friend Mr Shamim felt hurt But he has spoken certain things which he SHRI S. A SHAMIM Mr Speaker Sir, should not have done (Interruptions) He I oppose the Congress , I am dubbed as** should also take necessary initiative and with- (Interruptions) draw his words AN HON MEMBER . He must with- wkmtw v*j[T. 5 jp r arnr ^•TT draw. (interruptions) ^Igdl f **• SHRI S. A. SHAMIM He said that I am** MR. SPEAKER : I did not hear him *r?r 5T# «p^ i wsre* * *f^t *Exptmged na ordered by the Chair, 341 Violation o f Company Law JYAISTHA JO, 1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (M) 342 SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHfcA : The i ( « w r w ) snr f o tr*r® ^ e entire speech will have to be expunged ; the speech which the bon. Member just now made %wit % wri nf, ** o t has aggravated the position ; his entire speech ^ * j * h i ( m w i ) m i * r wtli have to be expunged . (Interruptions) ?TTf fBWinsft % fo* TT wfe «T i 3PTC 3TTT «$it, 5Tt fflW lfaft «p*gfa€t % fcwt *ft «»t»ft i *wr t » («ran *) SHRI RAJ BAHADUR • I have said that they are the blood of our blood and we w w % v m f t trust all of them. Nobody should malign amrtsRs Ut o % tft *r?r «ft, aft them. i ( w n w m ) arwwr : vrtfte *rr$3r w arnr f eft sm s* «ft w i «p w *j st pt arrqr % w n r r fo m i arrT % f^TT a * % fesy ^ ^3F3Rr I afK ift M t *rft ?>w i (« w p i ) a w «ft tgWTCTtr I I fPTTt 3FT ffHTT | I 5*ftf5r*f?r «r^ «pV ^ ?r «rerr^ srttw ft, §*T S|5T 3TT5T t tf t $?T %5t § W arm q ^ r n i an«r # h t c i for a n w t * 0 % ? r w (WWW) 3TT*T fa*ft ?R f ®F*r 3TT^ $ I &fo?*T «ft ar?« HWHFT tfwn: ^ ffoft arwupr » q f t w ; *ft jfrrr i *ft ^ fonn 1 1 w g f t «tot ^ «ft w rw filfPft : «rf eft * ¥ f t •P^T $ ? tft $TH $T T%T * t f w . «nr «rtffcft *ft amwr n^tiv * f^fsnFsr f5r*ft ftra r# *ft irf, 5W arw 'p rrfr | for t «roft?r vtm $ ( w w ) •♦Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 343 Violation o f Company Law MAY 31,1972 by a Calcutta Firm (M ) *44 SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : The expressions SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR i Sir, what ♦♦etc, are all bad expressions. But what I con- about my point of order ? sider worse is Mr. Shamim’* attempt lo exdle theemire Muslim brethren of our country by MR. SPEAKER : Hie offensive retort saying** (Interruptions), I condemn that, also will go. I know it ijvai very offensive. should be expunged. (Interruptions). •ft * w c ? i ■.’ki t wfopym («rftr«r fewft)** : an! 2 T f|f« F w wnftw ^rr^r % ^ ( w m ) •••<** 9 m m «p| | fa ** ifctr s & z m 5wr*r f W i t k $ 1 ssftotr f«PT" («wawr) t?r o n o w to * ; arnr «ft ramTO* fw : (iw w ) 3 rt «rrV** qft w $t $—(wwtw) SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : He said i* * -f t i - y S f I. jttifrS "your democracy, your secularism, your country” ; that is what we object to...(fter rup- ~ + o flk tions) W A /» It t/cf'Jr&JkiJJ’ifsvr.L SHRI A. P. SHARMA (Buxar) : Sir, I rise on a point of order. These remarks should not wftr : $ qnft p r i t be allowed to remain on teoord...(Interrup- ^ t t *F$«Tr i k i t «n£f k tions) %cit *ffarcrr 3TT'*rn? % SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : He was saying f|^$Rrr?r vr w r ^ w t h $*?r& MR. SPEAKER ; I am going through the •iwrw «v^nv s arnr records. I have said at the very outset that if iwf srw r^ t 5 ^ T ^ , f*fncr he has uttered that it is going be expunged t o ?ft w rw %nixx t v «Bff i and it is not for the press. The Minister has said it an his behalf and then he got up. I did ift ^ ^ imNr ; # not hear what he said. I will examine the record and see if these words have been arqsft i i N w - f t i i , uttered. n m ' t t f t f i n t o n i t o m k «rt SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : What about his whole speech ? ♦♦Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 345 Violation r f Company Lam JYAlSTHA 10,1894 ($AKA) by a Calcutta Firm (jW) 346 WWW ^|{IW : f * rm *n SHRI A. P. SHARMA : On a point of ^■to teftwTarm jw^ftr m r iw *f order, Sir. (Interruptions) [*sft W T^nJf ^?rmr ¥ T f^ ft * § I \ f a TT^St «P® »rff f a TOT srf&W *TTT zfaTOTsft ^ $ fa *r siNt *fr*3T fc, SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We cannot ?ft v m z m w m | ? TOffa w§w sft do it any more today. Sir. Tomorrow there is no Question Hour. We are tired. We can 20 fern. SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS : W* are SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN . Under prepared to sit tilt ten O’clock tonight, but the the rules, it must be concluded today. debate must be concluded today. wtwni* fw : w sta 10 SOME HON MEMBERS : No, no. f , m x $*rr 1 arpsr SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA We t o f 1 cannot work like this. •ft trffr^wpn srrc tf *a?ft MR SPEAKER Are hon Members arrr tft 1 xfart, wr prepared to sit at ten O’clock tomorrow ? 1T3TW? apfT | I SEVERAL HON MEMBERS No. SHRI RAJ BAHADUR The hon Minis- MR. SPEAKER I have put it to the ter is going to reply. Let us all be quiet Members, and they say that they are prepared to sit tonight As regards the other suggestion MR SPEAKER I am sorry This was that alternatively they might sit at ten O'clock the last day of the session, but hon Members tomorrow, I have put that also to the House, extended 11 for the other business with the but hon Members did not agree .. express understanding that this item would be finished today SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA What ? Ten O clock tomorrow Why does SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA it not suit you ? Shall we go on up to midnight today ? SHRI C M STEPHEN The rules do MR SPEAKER The hon Mover was not permit an adjournment of the debate entitled to take only 20 minutes, but he took more than 45 minutes After the hon Minis* ter I shall give him whatever time he wants, SHRI VAYALAR RAVI This is their but the debate must be concluded tactic SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU 1 want to SHRI RAJ BAHADUR The House make a submission Arc you giving me a cannot be held to ransom like this We are diktat ? You do not want to hear us ? Do you prepared to sit up to midnight, but this debate not want to consider our convenience also must be finished today ( Interruptions) SOME HON MEMBERS Let them MR SPEAKER . If hon Members could walk out We want to bear ihe hon Minister's ait for extra hours last night, why could they reply. not sit today also ? SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Do not treat us like this Do not be very unkind to SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU Let us sit us, Sir You have been very unkind You tomorrow from 10 a m onwards Please do will require our co-operation at tunes I am not be guided by the ruling party always. I not holding a threat to you or putting a threat am very sorry to say this. We can ait to* before you, hut I may tell you that the way morrow at ten O dock There is no question you have behaved today, if we had fourteen Hour tomorrow. We can have two hours for days, we would have brought forward a this debate tomorrow. Do not be difficult no-confidence-motlon against you . with us Uke this. Do not make it difficult for us Do not be so adamant...(/nterrKp- tions) MR SPEAKER : I know it. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : We SHRI RAJ BAHADUR ; I move that are prepared to ait from ten O’clock tomorrow. Shn jyotirmoy Bosu he named. He has been What is the difficulty about that ? threatening you and taufttifif you Wee this, m viok&m Company lam JYA1STHA 10, 1894 (SAKA) by a Odeum Firm (M) 354 H« should withdraw it or else be should be SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : oaoed, Why not at 10 a.m. tomorrow ? (Interrup- tion*) MR. SPEAKER : I cannot be coerced iito this-.. SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Under the rules, there in no alternative but to finish this SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : I would request today. (Interruptions) that he should be named I move that he be named. The observations of the kind that he MR. SPEAKER : Order please. The has made against you cannot go on record. Minister. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : On a point of SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I want to order. Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu had made some mention one thing, Sir, because I am sorry you observations against you, Sii, and had made have not given the correct picture to the House some insinuations also against you. I would about the decision. The decision was that request you to please check the records and under no circumstances the House will be ex- expunge those observations. They cannot go tended after 31st May. But then the sitting on record. has now been extended up to 1st June, be- cause the Aligarh Muslim University (Amend- MR. SPEAKER : Whatever he said. I ment) Bill has been introduced at the last put it to the House, but hon. Members did moment and they want to pass it in this not agree. Now, he is thteatening me, and he session. You are the custodian of this House, is coercing me. and if you are going to browbeat us like this—* Interruptions) AN HON. MEMBER : Blackmailing you. AN HON. MEMBER : Black money. MR. SPEAKER : Order, please. It is the pleasure of the House. Now, the Minister. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Shame, shame. THE MINISTER OF COMPANY AFFAIRS (SIIRI RAGHUNATHA SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : This is into- REDDY): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I should like lerable. to make a few observations at the beginning of my speech. The subject matter of this motion falls within a narrow compass. In spite SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You are of the dust that has been raised by irrelevant in command of the House. You put it at and desperate statements which have been 7 O ’clock. (Interruptions) made by some hon. Members, the matter is very simple. The question before the House MR. SPEAKER : Why did you not do it is, as is stated in the motion, whether there is last night ? (Interruptions) violation of the company law by the managing director of Duncan Brothers, and nothing else. SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS : rose— This is the subject-matter of the motion, and wide of the mark observations have been made MR. SPEAKER : Order please. and speeches have been made without any concern for this motion Wild allegations have SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Mr. Jyotirmoy been made which no doubt have been effecti- Bosu vvss having only 20 minutes, but he took vely answered by the Members on (his side, 90 minutes. (Interruptions) Therefore, I do not wish to reftr to those irre- levant statements and reckless and desperate remarks made in the course of the debate by MR. SPEAKER : It put It to the House, some hon Members on the opposite aide. and it was definitely decided that this debate win finish tonight. I put it to the House whether It was wilfing to carry this over to* The question before the House is, as you morrow, but tbey said no. You say it can be have observed, whether there is any violation taken op at 19 Q’ctock tomorrow, They «ay of (he company law, and wbat has the Govern* no. m»at dour ritii regard tg ibis. A photo •*(«{* : 355 VtokUion o f Company Law [Shri Raghunatha Reddy} the offioer him*elf,tb«e factaare oorwborated and these have been stated cm the floor o ftb e copy h referred to in support of this motion. House by no less a person than the General A photostat copy it pressed into service in Secretary of tbe Indian KaOooai Coagireis. order to give an air or reality, and an argu- Credit must be given that every item has been ment it built up on the basis of the photostat accounted for by the Indian National Congress. copy which is made the basis of this motion. This is the subject-matter of this motion. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : To ■ what does Goenka’a order relate ? The photostat copy refers to one order. 189/72 dated 7-2-1972. What is it ? Shri Shyamnandan Mishra and some of the hon. SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY : This Members while speaking about it the order day amount has been paid by a cross cheque. If also, have asked the question as to what the any hos. Member is interested in verifying Department of Company Affairs is doing and the crossed cheque facilities will be provided why they did not look into this matter. Thiat to him to go to the bank. Therefore this is a relevant question that has been raised, item which has been incorporated in the and I will answer that question. Though the motion, the photostat copy which has been photostat copy does not prove on tbe face of introduced as evidence to support the allega- it any violation of the company law, the tion contained in the motion, falls to the Government with great respect to the wish of ground. the Members which has been expressed on the floor of the House, had sent an officer, an Job order 189/72 has been transformed Additional Director Inspection and investiga- into four copies and it was unfortunately tion, with is a senior officer of the Department used by the hon. Member to make wreck less of Company Affairs, to go and look into this and wild allegations against the Government... matter, whether t/jere is any violation of the (Interruptions). company law in respect of the printing of these posters. This officer had gone to the SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : Saraswati Press and inspected all the docu- What is the child of this order of Goenka ? ments connected with order No. 189/72. What is this photostat copy ? After the order has SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY : been placed, it is transformed into job order, Whether Mr. Goenka’s name is there, or into four copies, and one of the copies of the somebody else’s name is there, that is irrele- job order, I think, the hon. Member Mr. Bosu vant..^(Interruptions) The motion refers to got into his possession and that has been put violation of the company law and whether it as a photostat copy ; there is no mystery or is Mr. Goenka or some other director of mystique about it though Mr. Bosu wants to Duncan Brothers, it is irrelevant because the create an atmosphere of mystery all round as posters printed in pursuance of order No. if some serious thing bad happened. For a 189/72 bare been paid for entirely by the proper appreciation of this tbing, one should AICC and accounted for by tbe A1CC. understand that prohibition under the company law is with regard to donation or contribution SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : to be made by the company to any political When was the cheque issued ? party or to any political purpose. That is the " essence of the prohibition incorporated in the company law. If an individual, not with stand- SHRI RAGHUNATHA RBDDY I ing the fact that he is a; managing director or thought that a wise Member like Mr, Shyam- director of * company or an officer of « com- nandan, Mishra would have given tip this kind , of argument after having heard Dr Henry pany, makes a contribution in his individual Austin. Unfortunately the boa. Member has capacity it has nothing to do with company law.. (Interruptions) In this case as far as asked this question and it b my duty to reply to it now. AICC bad issved cheque No. J82197* order No. 199/72 is concerned, it Is for posters dated 14-3*72 drawn on Attahahad Bajalfc, tot printed by Saraswati Press and every naya Rs. 1,95,592.50 in favour of Saraswati P r^s. palia baft been paid by tbe AICC office by crossed cheque and tbesefcetshave already ; . v . been ptaced before the House by ,Bi^>*|eni*; - SHRI SHYAMANDAN MISHRA : I4& A iw tin.A ow dtog tothe reportsubmfttedby March is after the elections were over. m V h ktim o f Company Law JYAISTHA to, i m (SAK4) by a Calcutta firm (W 358 SHRI RAJ BAHADUR ; Ridiculous! produced before the House for building up their case. (Interruptions). SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY ; I am » little Amused that Shri S. N. Mishra should Reference has been made to Asian Cables, pat this question, because I think he has put It is my duty to answer it. No favour has this question since there is no other hope. been shown to Shri R P Goenka. CBI is Any experienced man with some knowledge seized of the matter, the investigation is in of business knows that after all the bills are progress and law would take its own course... made out, then only the cheque will be issued (interruptions) No favour is shown to him, in payment of the bills and not earlier. This is another reckless allegation made by the opposition, not finding facts which are SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : true and coriect. You have so many orders Produce every paper. We shall examine it. Then they have brought in the name of the hon. Prime Minister. My hon. friend, SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY ; Jyotirmoy Bosu, for whose talent I had some Apparently having extricated himself from the respect previously, which now I bave lost... mystic effect created by Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu, he wants to create a mystery now about the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We ate cheque issued by AICC. not interested m that. Sir, I subtnii in all humility that there is SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY : I absolutely no substance in the motion moved thought he will go by cold logic. But unfor* by Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu had the document he nately, he is lost m the world of jealousy. has produced in support of the motion I And jealousy is a green-eyed monster. When have explained already the facts and nothing jealousy takes hold of a person he becomes more is called for by way of reply as far as prejudiced and political animosity leads him this point is concerned, because the facts to misinterpretation of innocent facts. I am speak more eloquently. Circumstances and not surprised that Shri Jyotirmoy Basu is facts speak more eloquently than all the jealous of our dear Prime Minist er, as shown arguments put forward by the hon. Members by the sarcasm—which has 1 odulged in. Men may lie, but circumstances and facts Whether he likes it or not, the Prime Minister never lie. This is the rule of evidence, is dear to the country, dear to the people, which we know. (Jnteriuptions). dear to the Congress Party Not only is she dear to the people of this country, she is one For the benefit of my friend Shri Shyam- of the finest representatives of the mankind nandan Mishra and his distinguished col* of the present era. Whether you like it or leagues who have indulged in sabrerattling I not, that has been acknowledged by all the may with all humility and respect that the statesmen of the world, by all the people in dying argument which they used for intro* this world, that she one of the finest leaders ducing Bombay Dyeing does not held good, of the mankind produced in the present era... because there is no appiicatiou filed by Shri (interruptions). When this is the position, R. P. Goenka as far as the Department of when this is a fact acknowledged by the entire Company Affairs is concerned for purchasing people of the world. I feel sorry that Shri the shares of Bombay Dyeing or for any Jyotirmoy Bosu fails to face the reality of other purpose, the situation . (interruptions). SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : Anain, a reference has been made to an We bave no faith in you. You might bave alleged statement made by Prime Minister at manipulated it. Calcutta, which was obviously misreported by the preM-iinterruptionsh SHRI RAGHUNATHA RBDDY : I can very well understand the discomfiture of the SHRI ATAL B1HARI VAJPAYEE : In* Opposition, because the mansions which they eluding the All India Radio ? W ttton arguments of sand are falling one altar another because there is no foundation, SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY : By including tfc photostat copies which they have the monopoly pres*. 359 Violation o f Company Law MAY ii, 1972 by a Calcutta Pirn (M) MO SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU * Your the futibty of the photos at copies, this Motion masters falls and ail other substitute motions have absolutely no value. So, ! oppose this Motion SHRI ATAL 8EHAR1 VAJPAYEE . and also other substitute motions that have What about the National Herald ? been given notice of. SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY As far SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU « Mr as monopoly press is concerned, facts are Speaker, Sir, I have heard with great given in such a way as to suit their views patience what the hon. Minister Mr There is no free reporting of truth This is Raghunatha Reddy, has said I realty what has happened when the Prime Minister’s wish that the Prime Minister appreciates, speech has been reported What has exactly because bad days are coming hear, after the happened ? The newspapers have not carried Budget session, there is going to be reshuffle of a correct report of what the Prime Minister the Cabinet, it should go well in the records had said at the Chatbraparishad meeting (Interruptions) She never said that the documents were SHRI RAJ BAHADUR Irrelevant false SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU I will show SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU May I you the quotation remind you Mr Raghunatha Reddy all that glitters it not gold Your Prime Minister may SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY But glitter But we all know she is not gold Don't you would also see that the way in which the try to sell something which cannot be sold documents are arranged, when they are put The Minister has deliberately misled the House together, naturally they would create a wrong ( Interruptions) impression to mislead the people This is the effect for which all these three documents have SHRI RAJ BAHADUR Why should he been put together, without explaining properly say all that about the Prime Mimister what each document means If they had (,Interruptions) explained it, if they bad given explanation of what each document means, then there may SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU How would be no doubt that the documents have no value you like, if I call Mr Raj Bahadur for whose whatsoever That n the exact meaning of are I have regard, not for bis utterences, the what the Prime Minister said, namely, this ts Minister of jungle affairs ? It is not nice for meant to mislead the public and nothing else the Minister to behave like this (Interru About the photostat documents she said they ptions ) have no agreement with one another In fact, one of the letters supposed to have been written does not carry any signature MR SPEAKER Order, order As regards the donations to political par- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU I come to the issue now ties, the Prime Mimstsr never mentioned that the companies have donated to political parties What the Prime Minister was pleased to I am quoting from the Statesman which observe was that individuals-poor persons » uncontradicted so far as to what the Prime cannot contribute so liberally as Mr Jyotirmoy Minister said in Calcutta Mrs Indira Gandhi Bosu expect them to contribute—and, naturally, says some moneyed persons contributed not only to the Congress party but also they have con* "The documents produced in this coonec- trttwted to the party of Mr Jyotirmoy Bosu tion were false The photostat contained the evidence of which I need not quote because no real letter alleged to have been written my bon friends have given ample evidence of by the press contained no signature.” that I do not want to go into the evidence that has been produced. This is the Times of India, yottr vety OvQfliw* pftpfKTy WAICCk ItWKIvQ Ah*. w IIMf-t. vNCIIvfli In view of all the facts that I have stated poster controvert to say that the allegations bore and* tn view of the fact tb it 1 h w *ho*tt aghinsttbft Omgrew had absolutely no basil 36! Viafaltoh o f Company la * JYAISTHA 10,18*4 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm {My ya at alt. Xt says, "The capitalists provided funds said as Minister is nothing but manufactured for every party, They paid us and they paid untruths ? I challenge. You come out,(fnrerru- the Marxists also, e tc , etc.” I tlons) I leave it to you, Sir. (Interruptions) The Hindustan Standard goes a little fur- SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : On a point of ther. order, It cannot be produced now. We have to observe the rules ..(Interruptions) Then, the Ait India Radio which never speaks untruth, never magnifies, never under- SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : plays, absolutely honest to the bone, real jour- Why should the Minister not contradict it ? nalistic job of objective reporting, carried this news not once but twice in the news bulletin. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I will not I ask the Minister, Mr Raghunatha Reddy, to place any fresh document, if that will give keep his ears a little more elose to the ground. him peace. I say, if they had throught that this was I refer to the work order which was placed wrong, if they were honest people, if they had on thc Table on that day and this morning. 1 no guilty conscience, they would have contra- refer to thc Work Order which has been dicted it. It should come out in the papers. authenticated by the hon’ble, very hon’ble Mr. They have got the extensive Press Information Raghunatha Reddy, as genuine copy. What Bureau with a few hundred officers who always does the photostat read ? it reads : try to run about, that we do not get press coverage, as little as possible. But this they “ Order No. 189/2 offset of 7th February 1972 could not do. I would not call him a liar, but 1 would say that he has said something which is Mr. R. P Goenka, Duncan Brother*!* 18, grossly untrue, and done deliberately. I only Netaji Subhas Bose Road, Calcutta 1. say that the Minister has exposed utter hollow- ness, bankruptcy of thought and lack of inte- Printing of posters in five languages for grity...(Interruption) What happened to Mr. election campaign. Ganesh ? What did he say in the Rajya Size 20 “ x 30” S SHRI C. M. STEPHEN ; This was stated. thing untrue, intentionally untrue^dascribing It it nothing new at all. In thepbotostat copies a genuine document as fabricated feecausc they produced here it is already stated...(/merrwp- will put them into great difficulties* turns) I now come to a few thing* which have SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : They say been allowed to be said about the photostat that the paper was supplied by the AICC. copies. I looked into the things produced The order copy, which they say Is genuine, by Shri Das Munsi. I wish could avoid, clearly shows that the paper had to be supplied but these things are necessary, because there by the Saraswati Press. May I tell you, Sir... is skeleton in almost every cupboard nowa* days. It says, trait Jyoti BosU, etc.' I do SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY (Cooch- not know what sort of political organisation Behar) : Fabricated, they have. But we know. We Bit quota for a particular Government Secretariat. We SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : May 1 tell fix the quota but we cannot expose them We you that the price of the posters was Rs. 60 cannot tell or write, Mr. Haripada Biswas. per hundred. For 8 lakhs, the value was Rs. Secretary of the Workers and Employees 4,80,000. The AICC accounts—I demand on Union has given his quota. behalf of, 1 think, the entire Opposition that the AICC books of accounts of elections of SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : That is the this year and the last year be placed on the thing. You do it clandestinely without table so that the Parliament may examine mentioning the names. You cannot reveal. it...(Interruptions) We reveal it. Here is a person coming in the midnight and saying all these things. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE : Put it on the Table. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am saying it soberly. 1 can tell them, if they can prove MR. SPEAKER : This is a very easy beyond the doubt of anybody in black and matter For how many years ? Is it after white that we have been financed by capital- the rift ? You don't mean his papers also ? ists, then we shall take any punishment that the House may give to us. I did not say in SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : the morning but now I must say because you Those are already open once, Sir. Now you have opened the floodgates. Mr. Stephen - find the clandestine donations. said about Kerala Ministers. Is it not a fact that all CPM Members were absolved ? SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Why should I remind, Mr. Speaker, that he belongs to the SHRI C. M STEPHEN : I have read the divided Congress Party ? 1 cannot do that finding. It is only corruption, corruption, because that will be casting aspersion. 1 can corruption. That is the finding against them. not do that. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We were Sir, 1 am suprised to see how the Minister absolved. has tried to take shelter under the language SHRI C. M. STEPHEN ; Not you, CPI of the motion. 1 am surprised to see that was absolved. at beginning they are inclined to take shelter under the Table of the Speaker. But SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Certain you can escape under the letter of the law but hotel license was granted. Mr. Ajoy the spirit will catch you one day. No, I am Mukerjee was Home Minister who later joined not surprised. This only becomes of a Minis- the Congress. If I i>ave to talk flbe^t the ter like you and the Government that you greatest cases of corruption, perhaps, I shall belong to. That even wan’t absolve them. not be able to finish before xnidnighi, I am talking about Mr. HarWas Mundfcra, another A caise has been established beyond doubt godfather of theirs. ! am talkingaboUt o f any single sensible person and that is why Aminchand Pyaerelal, tbe great undo of the they are so defensive and look so guilty. I charge again the Prime Minister, the State Finance Minister, Mr. Ganesh, and the . v : SHRI X ..* . iJNNI|CR^ .' Finance Minister for caHio* and saying -some* chaod PyaereW tfas his patron. 165 WolatUm o f Company Law JYAISTHA 10,1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (M) 366 SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am talk- MR. SPEAKER ' He cannot get to much ing about thc Mudhoikar Commission. I am time. He cannot have more than about talking about the Iyer Commission. 1 am 20 minutes. talking about the Santhanam Commission. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You can SHRI a M. STEPHEN : Having been marshal me out, if you like. convicted of corruption, they have the gots to speak about corruption ? They have been convicted by High Court Judges. What guts MR. SPEAKER : There is no question of marshalling out. have they to speak about corruption ? SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I shall not SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You cannot stop my hon friend from interrupting. He call them to order, because they belong to the may go on. I shall deal with the matter in Congress. (Interruptions) my leisurely way, because I do not intend that the debate should dose before midnight. SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : This is an 1 shall take some more time, and it is very insinuation. (Interruptions) necessary. I have the right of reply, and I have my right to reply to all the points raued. I must cover all the points. All right. I shall keep quiet. Let my hon. friend carry on. SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Would he ask Shri Krishnan who is sitting behind him what SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I would the finding against him was ? Was he not require some more time, because I am tired convicted of corruption ? He is there as and I cannot speak at my usual speed. Y o u t communist party Member. He was convicted Reporters cannot take me down if I speak at of corruption. He was tried and convicted very great speed. These are the difficulties. for corruption. The CPIM was a party of So kindly give me some more time. corruption. I had read out the linding against Shri Krishnan. (Interruptions). MR. SPEAKER : The hon. Member may take five or ten more minutes and then SHRI Q. V1SHWANATHAN : Let them conclude. fight it out outside. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I shall take SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : It is a party a minimum of one hour. stinking with corruption* SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am yield- SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : We have been ing. Let my hon. friend go on. I shall sitting continuously from three o’ clock for require more time, because I have so many this debate. We can sit even till 9 p.m. so point*. that we can bave six hours for this debate. We do not mind if we are to sit longer... MR. SPEAKER : He cannot take so much time. The debate was fixed only for MR. SPEARER : The hon. Member three hours. has already taken about 20 minutes. He can take another five or ten minutes and then SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You may conclude. do what you like. I would not take test than two hours. «rg«r MR, SPEAKER : The time allotted to aft % «rr f a u ? wtarcr v r the hoa. Member as» the Mover was only f i w f t v c 9 1 about 20 minutes, but I bad given him double the time b afternoon. to *9!* : sM sftair SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We are- to w i m m b 4% ? going to ooadude the debate to night... (interruptions) 3«7 Violation o f Company Law 368 SHRIJYOTIRMOY BOSU i I do not only «aytng that. All this involves a wish to retaliate. I shall finish as soon as baksheesh of Rs. 10 crores. Tben it is. possible, I want to mention about the cement MR. SPEAKER : He should finish in scandal and other scandals. It was men- five minutes. tioned here. Your hands are still smelling with cement. Do not back out too much in this Hou«e and try to pretend that you arc SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I can a very pious and saintly man. finish in as short a time as possible, provided there is order in tbe House, (Interruptions) Sir, These people caught hold Of one of our office-hands, a man called Rabeen Sen MR. SPEAKER : Order is lacking on who had misappropriated some money be- both sides. longing to the party. He has been handed over to the police by my party. All the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir. let papers have been handed over to the police. me go on with my speech. I have got to say They can get help, 1 can understand be can so many things. 1 want to ask one other go to jail if he committed aoy offence. We question. I want Government to tell us one are not out to say that be should not be thing. 1 do not know which Minister will punished. If an individual in a party does cover it. misappropriation or defalcation, he should be condemned and he should be sent to the jail. Is it not a fact that there was rcgularisa- We will do all that is possible to help the tion of unauthorised looms to a large number police in this matter. of persons in Ludhiana, Amritsar and Jullundur, and further 3 million k.g. wool About the bank notes, there were cases in combing licences were given to wool combers, Durgapur and Chittaranjan, where, I am sorry certain parties favoured specially ? Is it not to say, in a crowd of five, four are un- a fact that the import of wool increased by employed in West Bengal ; these are all young boys. I cannot blame them. For the past several crores to meet these demands ? 25 yeats, they have been given a most shabby treatment They remain unemployed ; live I would also like to point out that in in frustration and in darkness. What is regard to jute, one lakh bales was given to expected of these boys ? The Yuva Congress Mr. Tulsian of Karnatak Corporation of is also involved in this, and in tbe bank Bangalore, a private firm, which has no dacoities in Durgapur and Chittaranjan. You experience of the export of jute. The Mysore can refer the matter to the police and you Government holds only a 17 per cent interest. will know. The main beneficiary is Mr. Tulstan. It is a dear breach of the policy of canalising export Then there is the money collection by Mg of jute, for doing this favour to one single business. How is the money paid through individual. He has recently entered into grant of licences ; through grant of permits ; partnership, etc. Huge quantities of stainless through grant of economic advantages, they steel are imported and entitlements are given. will not touch the man who has Allen from ( Interruptions) Huge quantities of stainless the Congress power ; they are only time- steel are imported for which licences are given servers. These capitalists would only go to as import entitlement for the export of jute. open the safe of those who have got power. Double benefits have been given both in Mr. Jagjivan Ram is looking very pleasant export and import. There is no other single today indeed. (Interruptions) case of such gross and arbitrary favours. Isay that if they have the slightest The some Mr. Tulsfan, a partner of the honesty, they would have published the private secretary, has received a large import Interim Teport of the Wanchoo Coamitteo, licence for stainless steel. One Mr. Lupa which said, ♦’demonetise.*’ Because, if you has been favoured with respect. to the import cannot demonetise, you ca n n o tg etsu b e- of machinery against the export o f iron Ore. cription for the elections. You cannot collect Such favours are shown by the ruling party ' money because the m a ty 'Y VjjgMiti 'tfe-*om for having received some favours, And I afft there, ■ I M V h latkm of Company law JYAISTHA 10.1894 (SAKA) by a Calcutta Firm (M) 370 In one particular case ; in the home of • ieaderless masses in the AICC, do they lack Minister here,—I do not wish to call him even to such an extent as to require a guarantor by his designation that he is the treasurer— for Rs. 5 lakhs that the AICC issues a circular Rs. 4} crores hod been kept in custody. It that they have a founder friend in Calcutta. was in one Minister’s house, one day. I Who is the friend ? Mr. R. P. Goenka. have reliable information. It is a cydostyled thing ; it is here. I want to ask Mr. Stephen about Mr. Karunakaran’s M R . SPEAKER : Hand It over to me letter for Rs. $0,000 from the rubber estate... first. (Interruptions) Because it was theie in the newspapers...... SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU ; I can arrange that. Now, I want to reply to tbe SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : I rise on a point made by my friend Shri Indrajit Gupta. point of order ; the matter is sub ju d ic e . He said that I have missed the target in my motion. Our target is not to toe behind SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : I appeal to Shrimati Indira Gandhi ; that type of target Mr. Stephen to ignore him ; he is irrelevant; does not suit us. He has a very unpleasant he has lost h SHRI '6. M:: STEPHEN: That· is your Modak Shri Bijoy practice. , Mohanty, Shri Surendra Nayak, Shri Baksi SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU r ' Sir; if the Nayar, Shrimati Shakuntala Government is worth its name, they should Pandeya, Dr. Laxminarain offer to 'go before an 'all-party parliamentary Parmar, Shri Bhaljibhai committee and prove their innocence, because Ramkanwar, Shri their cupboards are full of skeletcns+-Nagar- Reddy,Shri RN. wala skeleton, Goenka skeleton, and so on. Roy, Dr. Saradish A day will come when you will. understand Saha, Shri Ajit Kumar that you are sitting on a volcano. Saksena, Prof. S.L. Singh, Shri D.N. SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : It: is all Ulaganambi, Shri R.P. hallucination ! Vajpayee, Shri Atal Bihari Viswanathan, Shri G. MR. SPEAKER: I will now put the first substitute motion by Shri Surendra NOES Mohanty. Austin,IDr. Henry The question is : Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar Barua, Shri Bedabrata That for the original motion, the follow- Bhagat, Shri H. K. L. ing be substituted; namely :- Bhandare, Shri R.D .. Bhuvarahan, Shri G. "This House, having considered the Buta Singh, Shri allegations made, with the support of Chandrakar, Shri Chandulal photostat copy, during the debate on the Chandrika Prasad, Shri Finance Bill by Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu that Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lal the Managing Director of Duncan Bros., Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh Ltd., Calcutta' had got published a large Chawla, Shri Amar Nath number of posters in clear' violation of Darbara Singh, Shri the company Law, is of the opinion that Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas a Parliamentary Committee may be' Daschowdhury, Shri B. K. appointed to enquire into the matter in all Dixit, Shri G. C. its aspects." (1) Doda, Shri Hiralal Ganesh, Shri K. R. The Lok Sabha divided Gomango, Shri Giridhar Gopal, Shri K. Division No. 19] . AYES (21.0G hrs. Gowda, Shri Pampan Hari Kishore Singh, Shri Banera, Shri Hamendra Singh Hari Singh, Shri Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shri Jagjiwan 'Ram, Shri Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish Jamilurrahman, Shri Md. Bhattacharyya, Shri S.P. Jha, Shri Chiranjib Bosu, Sl1ri Jyotirmoy Kailas, Dr. Brahman, Shri Rattanlal Kapur, Shri Sat Pal Chavda, Shri KS. Kedar Nath Singh, Shri Dandavate, Prof. 'Madhu Kotoki, Shri Liladhar Deo, Shiv P.K. Kumaramangalam, Shri S.,Moha'n' Guha, Shri Samar Kureel. Shri B. N. Haldar, Shri Madhuryya Lakkappa, Shri K. Haldar, Shri Krishna Chandra Laskar, Shri Nihar . '.> t, ~ : .•• . ~ I Hazra, Shri Manoranjan Lutfal ,Haq!l,e; ,.~hri . Joarder, Shri Dinesh Majhi, '$bri 'Oaja,dhar Kinder Lal Shri Majhi, Shri Kumar - Krishnan, Shri M.K. Malaviya. Shri K D. Mehta, Shri P.M. Mandal, Shri Jagdish Narain "." Mishra, Shri Shyamnandan Mandal, Shri Yamuna Pras~d ".\ '~ i n VidUuton e f Company Law JYAISTHA 10, 1893 (SA& t) by a Calcutta Firm (Id) 374 Marandi, Shri Itwar "That for the original motion, the follow* Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram ing be substituted, namely : — Mishra, Shri L. N, Mohammad Yusuf, Shri “This House, having considered the alle- Nahata, Shri Amrit gations made, with the support of photo- Negi Shri Pratap Stagh stat copy, during the debate on tbe Finance Oraon, Shri Kartik Bill by Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu that the Oraon, Shri Tuna Managing Director of Duncan Bros. Ltd., Feje, Shri S. L. Calcutta has got published a large number Pradhani, Shri K. of posters in clear violation of the Com- Raghu, Ramaiah, Shri K. pany Law, recommends that a judicial Raj Bahadur Shri Committee, with a retired Supreme Court Ram Dhan, Shri Judge as its Chairman, be set up to in- Ram Sewak. Ch. quire into the allegations in all their Rao, Shri Nageswara aspects.” (2) Ravi, Shri Vayalar Reddy, Shri K. Rafflakrishna The Lok Sabha divided: Sadhu Ram, Shri Salve, Shri N. K. P. Division No. 20] AYES (21.08 brs. Samanta, Shri S. C. Satish Chandra, Shri Banera, Shri Hameodra Singh Savant, Shri Shankerrao Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shii Sbambhu Nath, Shri Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish Shankar Dayal Singh, Shri Bhattacharyya, Shri S. P. Shankaranand, Shri B. Bosu, Shri Jyotirmoy Sharma, Shri A. P. Brahman, Shri Rattanlal Sharma, Dr. H. P. Chavda, Shri K. S Shashi Bhushan, Shri Dandavate, Prof. Madhu Shastri, Shri Sheopujan Giri, Shri S. B. Shenoy, Shri P. R. Guha, Shri Samar Shiva Chandika, Shri Haidar, Shri Madhuryya Shivanath Singh, Shri Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra Smha, Shri Dharam Bir Hazra, Shri Manoranjan Sinha, Shri Nawal Kishore Joarder, Shri Dinesh Stephen, Shri C. M. Krisbnan, Shri M. K. Suryanarayana, Shri K. Mehta, Shri P. M. Swamy, Shri Sidrameshwar Mishra, Shri Shyamnandan Tiwary, Shri D. N. Modak, Shri Bijoy Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P. Mohammad Ismail. Shri Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P. Mohaaty, Shri Surendra Venkatswaray, ShriG . Nayak, Shri Baksi Verma, Shri Balgovind Nayar, Shrimati Shakuntala Verma, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad Pandaya, Dr. Laxminarain Yadav, Shri N. P. Parmar, Shri Bhaljibhai Ramkanwar, Shri MR. SPEAKER : The result* of the Reddy, Shri B. N. division is : Ayes 33 ; Noes 84. Roy, Dr. Saradish Saha, Shri Ajit Kumar The motion was negatived . Saksena, Prof. S. L. Singh, Shri D. N. MR. SPEAKER : We will now take up Ulaganambi, Shri R. P. the substitute motion by Shri Samar Cuba. Vajpayee, Shri Atal Bihari Hie qoestkm is : Visbwanathan, Shri G. Mfemtahi also recorded their votes ; AYES • Shri Mobamm«4 U m ail; NOES : Shri Mohan Swanip. 375 Viofm^pf <^mpmy im MAY3i,i972 - byqC4fcimaF^{M), m ■ NOES ; • Negi, Shri Pratap Singh. Oraon, Shri Kartik Austin, Dr. Henry Oraon, Shri Tun* Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar Peje, Shri S. L. ^ \ Barua, Shri Bedabrata Pradhani, Shri K* Bhagat, Shri H. K. L. Raghu Ramaiah.SbriK. Bhaodare,. Shri R , D. Raj Bahadur, Shri Bhuvarahan, Shri O. Ram Dban, Shri Buta Singh, Shri Ram Sewak, Ch. Chapdrakar, Shri Chandula] Rao, Shri Nageswara Chaodrika Prasad, Shri Ravi, Shri Vayalar Chaturvedi, Shti Rohan Lai Reddy, Shri K. Ramakrishna Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh Sadhu Ram, Shri Chawla, Shri Amar Nath Salve, Shri N. K. P. Darbara Singh, Shri Samanta, Shri S. C. Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Satish Chandra, Shri Daschowdhury, Shri B. K. Savaot, Shri Shankerrao Dixit, Shri G. C. Shambhu Nath, Shri Doda, Shri Hiralal Shankar Dayal Singh, Shri Ganesh, Shri K. R. Shankaranand, Shri B. Gomango, Shri Giridhar Sharma, Shri A. P. Gopai, Shri K. Sharma, Dr. H. P. Gowda, Shri Pampan Shashi Bhtishan, Shri Hari Kishore Singh, Shri Shastri, Shri Sheopujan Hari Singh, Shri Shenoy, Shri P. R. Jagjiwan Ram, Shri Shiva Chandika, Shri Jamilurrahman Shri Md. Shivanath Singh, Shri Jha, Shri Chirartfib Sinha, Shri Dharam Bir Kailas, Dr. Sinha, Shri Nawal Ki&hore Kapur, Shri Satpal Stephen, Shri'C. M. Kedar Nath Singh, Shri Suryanarayana, Shri K. Kinder Lai, Shri Swanoy, Shri Sidrameshwar Kotoki, Shri Liladhar Tiwary, Shri D. N. Kumararaangalam, Shri S. Mohan Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P. Kureel, Shri B, N. Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P. Lakkappa, Shri K. Venkatswamy, Shri O. Laskar, Shri Nihar Verma, Shri Balgovind Lutfai Haque, Shri Verma, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad , Majhi, Shri Gajadhar Yadav, Shri N. P. ; Majhi, Shri Kumar Maiaviya, Shri K, D* MR. SPEAKER : The result of the Mandal, Shri Jagdkh Narain division is : Ayes 33 ; Noe# 85. Mandal, Kiri Yamuna Prasad Marandi, Themotion wasnfigafivgd Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram Mishra, Shri L. N. ; it MR..SPEAKER: J substi- Mohammad Yusuf, Shri tute m otto No 3," moverfby Shri 'fC K . D to, Nahata, Shri AmrH 377 Violation o f Company Lav JYAISTHA 10,1894 (SAXA) by a Calcutta Firm (M) 378 I he substitute motion No 3 was-put MR. bPEAKER : I am prepared to sit and negathed. for half an hour. Mr. SPEAKER : Now, do you want to SOME HON. MEMBERS : No, no. have tbe Half-an-Hour discussion 7 MR. SPEAKER : Then, the House stands SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE : The adjourned to meet again tomorrow at 11 A M. Member concerned may not be here. We would like to have it tomorrow. 21.11 hrs. The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven DR. LAXMINARAIN PANDEYA : I of the Clock on Thursday, June I, am here. J972lJyaistha 11,1894 (Saka) Psinied a t : Shahdara Printing Press, K-18 Navin Sbahdara, Delhi-32. 31-5-72