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LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 January 2016 4093 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Wednesday, 27 January 2016 The Council met at Eleven o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE JASPER TSANG YOK-SING, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALBERT HO CHUN-YAN THE HONOURABLE LEE CHEUK-YAN THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-LAM, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG THE HONOURABLE EMILY LAU WAI-HING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TAM YIU-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK FUNG KIN-KEE, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE VINCENT FANG KANG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-HING, B.B.S., M.H. 4094 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 January 2016 PROF THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P., Ph.D., R.N. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CYD HO SAU-LAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LAM TAI-FAI, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KA-LAU THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-CHE THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, S.B.S. THE HONOURABLE IP KWOK-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALAN LEONG KAH-KIT, S.C. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KWOK-HUNG THE HONOURABLE ALBERT CHAN WAI-YIP LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 January 2016 4095 THE HONOURABLE WONG YUK-MAN THE HONOURABLE CLAUDIA MO THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL TIEN PUK-SUN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JAMES TIEN PEI-CHUN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE NG LEUNG-SING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STEVEN HO CHUN-YIN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE FRANKIE YICK CHI-MING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE WU CHI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YIU SI-WING, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE GARY FAN KWOK-WAI THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHARLES PETER MOK, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHI-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAN-PAN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KENNETH CHAN KA-LOK THE HONOURABLE CHAN YUEN-HAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHE-CHEUNG, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LEUNG THE HONOURABLE ALICE MAK MEI-KUEN, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI 4096 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 January 2016 THE HONOURABLE KWOK WAI-KEUNG THE HONOURABLE DENNIS KWOK THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHEUNG WAH-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG THE HONOURABLE SIN CHUNG-KAI, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE HELENA WONG PIK-WAN THE HONOURABLE IP KIN-YUEN DR THE HONOURABLE ELIZABETH QUAT, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LIAO CHEUNG-KONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE POON SIU-PING, B.B.S., M.H. THE HONOURABLE TANG KA-PIU, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE CHIANG LAI-WAN, J.P. IR DR THE HONOURABLE LO WAI-KWOK, S.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHUNG KWOK-PAN THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TONY TSE WAI-CHUEN, B.B.S. MEMBER ABSENT: DR THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 January 2016 4097 PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE JOHN TSANG CHUN-WAH, G.B.M., J.P. THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY PROF THE HONOURABLE K C CHAN, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR FINANCIAL SERVICES AND THE TREASURY THE HONOURABLE GREGORY SO KAM-LEUNG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THE HONOURABLE RAYMOND TAM CHI-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND MAINLAND AFFAIRS THE HONOURABLE LAI TUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., I.D.S.M., J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY THE HONOURABLE PAUL CHAN MO-PO, M.H., J.P. SECRETARY FOR DEVELOPMENT MR GODFREY LEUNG KING-KWOK, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MR KENNETH CHEN WEI-ON, S.B.S., SECRETARY GENERAL MS ANITA SIT, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MISS FLORA TAI YIN-PING, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MS DORA WAI, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MR MATTHEW LOO, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 4098 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 January 2016 PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Will the Clerk please ring the bell to summon Members to the Chamber. (After the summoning bell had been rung, a number of Members entered the Chamber) TABLING OF PAPERS The following papers were laid on the table under Rule 21(2) of the Rules of Procedure: Subsidiary Legislation/Instruments L.N. No. Antiquities (Excavation and Search) (Amendment) Regulation 2016 ................................................... 9/2016 Electoral Affairs Commission (Registration of Electors) (Legislative Council Geographical Constituencies) (District Council Constituencies) (Amendment) Regulation 2016 ................................................... 10/2016 Electoral Affairs Commission (Registration) (Electors for Legislative Council Functional Constituencies) (Voters for Election Committee Subsectors) (Members of Election Committee) (Amendment) Regulation 2016 ................................................... 11/2016 Electoral Affairs Commission (Registration of Electors) (Rural Representative Election) (Amendment) Regulation 2016 ................................................... 12/2016 Administration of Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Ordinance 2014 (Commencement) Notice ............ 13/2016 Hong Kong Court of Final Appeal Suitors' Funds Rules (Commencement) Notice ...................................... 14/2016 High Court Suitors' Funds (Amendment) Rules 2015 (Commencement) Notice ...................................... 15/2016 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 January 2016 4099 District Court Suitors' Funds (Amendment) Rules 2015 (Commencement) Notice ..................................... 16/2016 Lands Tribunal (Suitors' Funds) Rules (Commencement) Notice .................................................................. 17/2016 Labour Tribunal (Suitors' Funds) (Amendment) Rules 2015 (Commencement) Notice ..................................... 18/2016 Small Claims Tribunal (Suitors' Funds) (Amendment) Rules 2015 (Commencement) Notice ............................. 19/2016 Other Papers No. 61 ─ Hospital Authority Annual Report 2014-2015 No. 62 ─ Samaritan Fund Financial Statements for the year ended 31 March 2015 and Report on the Fund ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Questions. First question. United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment 1. MR ALBERT HO (in Cantonese): President, before I raise my question, I would like to declare interest: I as a solicitor, as well as the law firm in which I practise, have handled torture claims and related judicial review cases. President, the United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (the Convention) has applied to Hong Kong since 1992. On the 13th of this month, when the Chief Executive attended a press conference after delivering this year's Policy Address, 4100 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 January 2016 a reporter asked whether Hong Kong could consider withdrawing from the Convention. In response, the Chief Executive said that "if needed, we could do so". In this connection, will the Government inform this Council: (1) whether it has assessed if it can achieve the outcome of the Convention ceasing to apply to Hong Kong; if it has, of the details; if not, the reasons for that; (2) whether it has assessed the resultant impact on Hong Kong's international image on protection of human rights in the event that the Convention ceases to apply to Hong Kong; if it has, of the details; if not, the reasons for that; and (3) as China is a State Party to the Convention and matters about the Convention ceasing to apply to Hong Kong should be dealt with by the Central Authorities, whether it has raised the relevant proposal with the Central Authorities; if it has, of the response of the Central Authorities; if not, the reasons for that? SECRETARY FOR SECURITY (in Cantonese): President, my consolidated reply to the various parts of Mr HO's question is as follows: Foreigners who smuggled themselves into Hong Kong, who overstayed their limit of stay allowed, or who were refused entry by the Immigration Department (ImmD) upon arrival in Hong Kong will be removed from Hong Kong in accordance with the Immigration Ordinance (Cap. 115). To safeguard immigration control and for public interest, they should be removed as soon as practicable. However, Article 3(1) of the United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (the Convention), which applies to Hong Kong since 1992, stipulates that no State Party shall expel, return (refouler) or extradite a person to another State where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture. In June 2004, the Court of Final Appeal (CFA) ruled in Prabakar that, to a foreigner who has made a torture claim, his life and limb are in jeopardy and his fundamental human right not to be subjected to torture is involved. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 January 2016 4101 Accordingly, the Government must determine his torture claim independently in a way that meets the "high standards of fairness". In accordance with CFA's ruling, the ImmD put in place an administrative mechanism to screen torture claims. In December 2008, the Court of First Instance (CFI) ruled in FB that the Government must allow claimants to have access to legal assistance, and if claimants are unable to afford so, the Government must provide legal assistance to claimants out of public funds. At the same time, CFI ruled on various aspects of the procedures for handling torture claims to make them compliant with the "high standards of fairness" required in Prabakar.