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MEETING STATUS: PUBLIC LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY SESSION: 62/2 Motion No: PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND Year: 2005 VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT OF HOUSE COMMITTEE PROCEEDINGS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - COMMITTEE: STANDING COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC ACCOUNTS DATE: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 {Afternoon Part of Meeting} SUBJECT(S) BEFORE THE COMMITTEE: Review of the Province’s Waste Management System NOTE: This Transcription has NOT been edited nor subsequently compared with the original tape. It is intended to provide an indication of Committee discussion only and is NOT certified by the Legislative Assembly to be a true copy of the discussion. COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT: Ronald MacKinley, Chair Jim Bagnall, Vice-Chair Wayne Collins Wes MacAleer Cletus Dunn Dr. David McKenna Hon. Robert Ghiz MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Brown MEMBERS ABSENT: Wilbur MacDonald GUESTS: Honourable Gail Shea Gerry Moore, CEO, Island Waste Management STAFF: Marian Johnston STANDING COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC ACCOUNTS Tuesday, January 18, 2005 {Afternoon Part of Meeting} 1:00 p.m. Honourable Gail Shea, Minister of Transportation and Public Works Gerry Moore, CEO, Island Waste Management Ron MacKinley Chair (L): Now, let’s see what the scope of the program. we’ve got here. Anyway, Madam Minister it’s good to see you’re here and you brought Gerry In terms of overview, I’d like to cover the Waste Moore, your CEO, Island Waste Management Watch Program by way of outlining the scope of Corporation to make a presentation to the three core functions. One is the collection, two is committee. I think what’s the committee’s disposal and three is customer service. In terms of interested in is the fact that the Auditor criticized customers the program serves 5600 family units, Waste Watch. Was that not correct? 7500 cottages, 9200 apartment units, 9000 business, 1300 businesses which are in the tourist Honourable Robert Ghiz (L): No. Increase in accommodation sector and about one million rates. annual visitors. Collection is designed around three separate streams that ensures that our Ron MacKinley Chair (L): In fees, yes, tippage diversion rates are among the highest in the fees. country. Honourable Robert Ghiz (L): Okay. Organics or green cart material is no longer buried in landfills causing all sorts of concerns. We know Ron MacKinley Chair (L): That was it. It it’s now directed to the CCF plant in Brookfield. wasn’t even in the Auditor’s report. Increased Recyclable papers, plastics and metal products tippage fees. The committee decided they wanted are collected in an orderly way so this material to bring you in to explain that out. So I’ll give does not simply get buried or incinerated anymore Madam Shea the floor. either. Waste or black cart material is what is left and is separated for proper and safe disposal in an Honourable Gail Shea: Okay, thank you. This engineered landfill cell. I’m very pleased to report is my first opportunity to be in front of the Public that in 2003, 142,284 tonnes or 63 per cent of the Accounts so it’s a new experience. Thank you. total waste generated on PEI that used to be buried in unlined dumps or incinerated was Ron MacKinley Chair (L): If you had of diverted to either the compost stream or the answered these questions in the House you recyclable stream. mightn’t have had to come. On the disposal side, the Waste Watch system Honourable Gail Shea: Maybe I’ll just start off we have today is designed to optimise our disposal with a bit of a statement. As the minister results so we achieve the highest landfill diversion responsible for delivery of this highly successful rates. That said, it follows that the end results in system I’m pleased to be here today and to be terms of final disposal really dictates to a large available to provide information about this extent how the collection process must be program, the services, the expenses and the managed so the system is integrated by necessity. corresponding sources of revenue. To ensure that The big picture on the disposal side of the the session is as productive as it can be and the business involves the following - the central best information is available to the committee I am compost facility in Brookfield where the green cart pleased and proud to be joined by Mr. Gerry materials end up; there’s six waste watch drop-off Moore, CEO, today. With the Chair’s permission centres; the energy from waste facility; three I thought I’d present an overview of the core contracted facilities that deal with recyclable business of the corporation and present some materials and a provincial landfill site in Wellington. basic summary information about the scale and There’s the third key element to the Waste Watch 1 Program and that’s the administrative side. We’ve bag material does leave Island. Some of it is more designed a centrally co-ordinated and managed valuable I guess in the recyclable market than approach to ensuring we get good results with others. As an example, corrugated cardboard is reaching targets around collection and disposal quite valuable. Some of the other items may even obviously. We have those results, just as come with a cost to dispose off-Island by the time important to an overall program as the customer you take in the transportation of that product. But service side of the business. All those customers all the product, glass, metal, paper and corrugated referred to earlier have very important customer cardboard all leave the province and is recycled service issues that need to be dealt with into product again. effectively. We have to do a good job of public education and marketing of this program. We Wayne Collins (PC): Does IWMC benefit at all have to be there to answer questions about the from any of the sales of that material or is that out program and we have to be there to ensure that of your hands once it’s picked up? the service side of the business is high quality to the residential and business communities. Gerry Moore: No, basically the blue bag contract with the collection contractor, basically he This includes a short overview and we’re now provides a pick up service to the household units pleased to take any questions you might have. in the province to pick that product up and then he is responsible to ultimately find markets for that Ron MacKinley Chair (L): Mr. Wayne Collins product or for those products. looks like he wants to ask you a question. Wayne Collins (PC): Thank you. Wayne Collins (PC): Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I want to congratulate the minister and Mr. Moore Ron MacKinley Chair (L): Cletus Dunn. on a successful program. I commented here just last week on the fact that I really think that Cletus Dunn (PC): A few questions - one I program is accomplishing what it was set out to guess is - I know the challenge after we brought do. I would like to know though a little more detail, this program in was tourists and how did the if you happen to have it handy today, about the accommodations work out with especially recyclable side of things. I mean there’s plastics separating the refuse? Is that a big issue? and there’s metals, I guess, and I’m not quite sure what the major categories might be. But how well Gerry Moore: Again, it’s an ongoing question are we doing in terms of finding a home for these because we obviously receive in the vicinity of one recyclables. You mentioned there’s three million visitors a year. Any repeat visitors, what we contracted facilities. I assume that once these find is they’ve become aware of our program and people pick up the recyclables, I don’t know if it they actually do a better job once they revisit. But becomes their property or what they do with it and people coming for the first time, there is a little bit where is this stuff going? Does the market of explanation required but because Prince fluctuate for different things? I’m just interested to Edward Island was, I guess the leader in this field know its end use. with respect to recycling, but it’s slowly, I guess, catching on in other jurisdictions, so people that Honourable Gail Shea: I’ll ask Gerry to answer come now, the program may be somewhat that. different than ours but as a general rule a lot of people are aware of the recycling efforts that are Wayne Collins (PC): Gerry. going on Prince Edward Island and also in other jurisdictions. Gerry Moore: Actually it’s a very good question and one that all that collectable and the blue bag But to answer your question directly it is a side of it, all the product leaves Prince Edward challenge to educate visitors and I will say the Island for the most part, which I guess we view as tourist operators have done a tremendous job with a good thing because it is not taking up valuable respect to that. We also get quite a few comments space in our land fills where prior to Waste Watch through our web pages, basically on comments that product went to a lot of the 13 regional dump from visitors saying what a tremendous program sites located across the province. But all the blue that we have, you know, that we value our 2 environment and we are taking steps to recycle as October 1st, 2007. So having ADI operate the many products as possible.
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